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this beautiful Friday, February twentieth edition of Cougar Sports. Let's

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Speaker 5: We got Ronald the three Man Weaver, Ronnie, how you living?

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Speaker 2: Living good? Fans aren't gonna like this, but I wrapped

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Chicago Pride. Spring training is underway for baseball. You guys

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know I'm a big baseball guy. White Socks crosstown rivalry

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up for one on the Cubbies. So eat that to

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all those Chicago Cubs fans in the state of Utah.

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It's a little poking from me, but spring training is

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Speaker 4: So I grew up in Arizona, trainings right around the corner.

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So we'd go to Cubby's games and go to the Mariners.

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The Podres are down there in Glendale, Phoenix, Scottsdale area,

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Speaker 5: Fans, and even Chicago Cup fans.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if he hates. I'm gonna text him.

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Speaker 4: Do you hate the mouse more than you know?

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Speaker 5: Question? You're like, you know, you're low hanging fruit.

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Speaker 5: We got bread. I was bringing the hammer Hammer Time show.

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What's up. I'm happy to hear the Braves reference on

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Speaker 6: Obviously, years growing up in Atlanta, Big Time Brave fans

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grew up going to games because tickets were dirt cheap.

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Speaker 5: However, I have an apology to make to.

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Speaker 6: The members of the show and to the listeners of

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the show, because I pride myself on being the master

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Speaker 5: I didn't get talked to you about it before give it.

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Speaker 6: Ronald and I talked about it today and I said,

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former employer at bou Sports Nation. There was a tweet

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broadcast tonight quote YU three point shooting without Richie Schaanders

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they don't have a shot maker outside Richie Saunders. Now

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the person who said this was the color commentator on

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that ESPN game. Good friend of Yu, Sean Farnham. Sean

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He responded today on Sports Nation, Ronnie, do we have

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Speaker 7: I mean, if you there's there's two one is I

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last night, and that was try to equal in the

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paint Arizona.

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Speaker 7: But I think Arizona exposed itself that it's you want

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to take a way that paint. We'll put del Orso

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because the three point line was so significant in the

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last night's game. You know, listen, like I was talking

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during the Texas Tech game, and our good friend Greg

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that perimeter threat, and then statistically showed what Rob Wright

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from the three point line versus that of which Richie

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ESPN doesn't do research.

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Speaker 3: ESPN obviously doesn't.

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Speaker 7: Sean Farnham doesn't get cougartails anymore because see, I wasn't

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actually mentioned in the tweet, even though Greg obviously knew

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Speaker 3: So here's some research for the fans BYU.

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Speaker 7: With Richie Saunders on the floor has made one hundred

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and seventy six to three pointers this year. With Richie

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Speaker 3: Fifty five. The guys that filled in for Richie last night,

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how'd they do? No shots?

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Speaker 7: They make shots? One of they is no And here's

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the reason. And you take something out of context first,

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which is what Greg did. And he also didn't at me,

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Speaker 3: So if you're gonna take it out of context. The

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Speaker 7: When you have all three out on the floor, and

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when you talk about the scouting report of the players

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right hand and his ability to attack the lane line

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Speaker 3: That's number one thing you talk about.

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Speaker 7: You don't talk about his three point shooting ability or

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ability to stretch the defense.

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Speaker 3: Can he shoot the three point shot? Of course he can't.

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Speaker 7: When you talk about Ajd Bonsa, you talk about, hey, guys,

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we can't let him get to that big twelve logo

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in the middle of the paint because he shoots like

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Speaker 3: You can't give him a scene to the rim.

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Speaker 7: Because he finishes as well as anybody in the country

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around the basket with his great verticality and his length

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and able to extend out over the top of the defense.

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Speaker 3: Can he shoot the three point shot? Of course you can't.

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Speaker 7: No, with Richie Saunders, even though he did so many

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other things, great offensive rebounding, his drives, everything like that,

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on this gotneryport and again I'm mad other shoot arounds,

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so I get to see what other people are saying

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about your team. They say, hey, cannot let Richie Saunders

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get good looks, cannot let Richie Sonders get going from

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beyond the arc because of his ability.

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Speaker 3: To stretch the floor.

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Speaker 7: There's no other player that at opposing shoot rounds that

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Speaker 3: Like that about the first thing that they say.

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Speaker 7: They mentioned other guys can do it, but it changes

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the way the defense now even guards those other two players.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 7: Obviously AJ's so special and played absolutely phenomenal last night,

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Rob Wright struggled a little bit.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna need more out of him.

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Speaker 7: Down the stretch, but you need somebody to stretch the

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floor because that creates driving lanes and seams.

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Speaker 3: For those two guys to do what they do best.

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And the numbers are the numbers. One hundred and seventy

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Speaker 7: Three porters with Richie Saunders on the floor because they

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Speaker 3: Been off the floor. That's a pretty stark difference.

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Speaker 7: And last night the guys that stepped in did not

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deliver from beyond the arc, and that's going to have

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to change for BYU down the stretch of the season

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if they're going to be successful. So if anybody wants

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to question my research, go ahead, but I'd also remind

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you you've invited me to talk to your class multiple times.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead.

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Speaker 5: We love you, We love Greg.

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Speaker 3: We'll let you guys figure it out. Saturday. AJD Bonsa is.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so fiery Sean Farnham.

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Speaker 4: Look, I get it, like no one wants to be

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passes aggressively critic criticized, right, Like, what this is what

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I'll say? And and I I think this is a

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cultural thing. Just let me have a cultural conversation. I

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don't think in general BYU fans Latter Day Saints are

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front facing linear people in how they go about with

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contention or competition.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: They are especially in the in the nerdery area, in

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the academic area, in the very.

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Speaker 5: Spiritually inclined area. Okay, let me go on here.

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Speaker 4: Okay, because you're looking at me like I'm like, well,

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where are you going with this? They circumvent contention. I'm

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an athlete. I go straight to the person. I want

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it at you. I want to converse with you. Sean

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Farnham's that type and you saw that right there. He's like, yeah,

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I'm gonna hop on it. I'm gonna let's have a

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let's have a debate, let's have a competition, let's have

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let's get into a combative situation if you really want to.

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Whereas and I don't think Greg was like trying to

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be cir conversion, but you're less likely in our culture

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to to come at someone with your real name front facing.

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You're gonna be passive aggressive. That's what they do. It's

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a nonchal omphastitor. I see it time and time again.

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culture is.

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Speaker 5: This happy smiley I love.

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Speaker 4: You son, and then as youny to walk away as

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like passive aggressive, you know, taking shots little things here

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and there. Because we're supposed to be, you know, a

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light to the world. We're supposed to be X Y

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and Z, but we're also extremely competitive. We also have

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a little man syndrome sometimes in our culture. Does that

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make sense? And Ronald's in my LIKEE see, yeah, yes,

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one hundred percent because an athlete type has an issue

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with it. That's why I struggle a little bit with

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anonymity on social media. I understand the protectionism that comes

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with that, especially if you're related to a if you're

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associated with a corporation, you don't want to say and

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do anything that could be deemed socio politically, socio culturally

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inappropriate and get fired, because I totally get that.

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Speaker 5: But also it's a part it's ingrained on a culture to.

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Speaker 4: Be passive, aggressive and subterfuge and subterfuging and backbiting and

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a little bit manipulative on the back end in a

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circumferential way.

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Speaker 5: Does that make sense? Like?

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Speaker 4: And so I appreciate Sean farm Greg Rebel's one of

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the best voices in college athletics for their particular institution,

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and his data qualitative and quantitative is some of the best,

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and BYU fans are blessed to have him. I also

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understand how Sean Farnham would be pissed off about being

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called out on the call. And Greg knows who's on

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the call more than anybody. Okay, Greg's one of the

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most astute, smart, hardworking individuals. He didn't want to have

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that combative situation. Sean Farnam saw it because it went viral,

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you know, and Sean Farnam's a big BYU guy.

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Speaker 6: Like it would be one thing if it's any other

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any other ESPN analyst, I get it, yeah, but it's

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a whole other thing for you to tweet somebody on

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ESPN who, let's be honest, you know who.

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Speaker 5: It is, because again, you know these guys, so you

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know it is.

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Speaker 6: And that guy also happens to be a big b

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YU guy because he's on BYU Sports Nation every week

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and he's always in provo, always doing games. So it's like,

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I don't when I was in high school, there's a

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thing called sub tweeting.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys are yeah, yeah, and like.

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Speaker 6: That's a subtweet because what you could have done, if

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you were Greg and you wanted to have that conversation,

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what you could have done is you could have said,

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there's general criticism that b YU won't be able to

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shoot the three without orders, and then tweet those numbers

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and then if we want to connect the dots and say, oh,

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is he saying that? In response to Sean Farnham, that's

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our job, but we're connecting dots that aren't there when

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you say oh, so and so on ESPN I don't

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know who it is, but he tweet he said this,

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here's the numbers.

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Speaker 5: It's like, okay, well, either be front facing about.

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Speaker 6: It a debate, either be front facing about it or say, hey,

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you guys are making that connection, but I'm not connecting

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the dots there, just like be one or the other.

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Except to your point, it's like, okay, we're being passive

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aggressive even though we all know what you really meant.

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Speaker 5: You said that.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty transparent of you know, the the subtweet, and

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so I get that, but you know it's I understand

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an aggressive, combative debate, and so you don't want to

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quote tweet or you don't want to like tag them,

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you don't want to add them. But realize when you're

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dealing with an athlete and you're subtweeting in subterfusing and

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kind of like circumventing a potentially.

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Speaker 5: Combative debate, what it views. It's high estrogen.

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Speaker 4: It's high estrogen, it's backbiting, it's a manipulative feminine quality.

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Speaker 5: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 4: Men are typically more likely to get front facing and

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try to solve a problem. Getting a fight right, like

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punch each on the face. Okay, we got it done,

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like you know whatever. It's more of a and you

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see that in like some of these dramas and films

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and some of the reality TV what a what it's

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Housewives of of of Utah, Salt Lake City, there's a

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lot of.

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Speaker 5: Backbiting, chirping. It's it's it's typically an. It's an.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's not a it's not a

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masculine masculine quality traditionally, is what I'm getting at. And

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that may be controversial to some because you have a

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lot of liney, you have a lot of linear females.

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But I would say, as a whole, it's it doesn't

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it's not like a traditional masculine quality. So it's it's

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an issue in our culture. It's an issue in our

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culture to we will smile through your face.

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Speaker 5: My my buddy makes fun of me all the time.

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Speaker 4: He's like, Mormons, get to a four way stop, you know,

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stop signing like.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no you go, no no, no you.

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Speaker 4: Go because the optics of being nice, right, the optics

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are being nice, but then they may do a little

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you know, side thing, right, a little subterfuge on the side,

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a little backbiting, a little pacific residence.

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Speaker 5: We got to be better about it, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, I said, Greg, I don't think Greg

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purposely is like I'm gonna sub tweet here.

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Speaker 5: I'm and I'm like, but maybe it was. Maybe it was.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Some people are gonna go disagree. I think he was

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just kind of making a commentary out there. You know, me, Like,

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what do I do? I quote tweeter, I'm like, guys,

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do you agree or disagree with this? I'm gonna I'm

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gonna get the video, like do you agree or disagree?

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And then I want to talk about it, right, I

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want to talk about it. I want to debate it.

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Roddy you you were chiming in my ear? Is this

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an issue? Like we gotta address this? Uh, you know,

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from from a demographic standpoint, from our culture, we gotta

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maybe be a little bit more front racing. Well, Sean

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was aggressive there, man.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, you're dealing with the former athlete, and

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I hate to I hate to get this way, Ben,

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I really do, because you're talking to another former athlete

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and I'm about to get Petty, I am really am

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because look, I have chosen because you mentor me. I've

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gone the high road with a lot of stuff like

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I really have, you know. But in the same breath

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at Batman by you at least he added me right

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when he disagreed with my take, you know, with those things.

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But when you're dealing with people who are competitive, when

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you're dealing with former athletes like that, people who aren't

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gonna back down and take it, I'm just gonna let

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you know, like people have come in my dms before

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and I've opened them up. You know, I don't run

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from anything, but for me, it's if you do that,

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I'm gonna respond and say something. Look, I have no

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problem if Greg wants to say that, But I am

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also like Brett, you know, I don't like to play

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the FOFO game. You know, like, if you say something

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and do it, or you know what you're doing, you

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don't be surprised when there's a reply like that. If

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Greg has an issue with this, if people are shocked,

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if people want to say, why is Sean doing this? Like, well,

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what did you expect? Did you expect? One of ESPN's

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best college basketball analysts, who has a relationship with Byu,

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who's in the rock before the game when they're introducing

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who's standing in the student section when he doesn't have

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to do that, Ben who likes Byu And it's pro

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Baus Brett already said and alluded to and that we

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know when you say those things, and look, I would

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have Ben, I would say that, I bet Greg has

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Shawn's number. You know what, I dude been as someone

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that does this, and we don't do this in the culture.

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And this bugs me, And this is this is the

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trick you reach out And how many times have you

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and I reached out. I don't know if like to

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sit down and talk like we don't do that. We're afraid.

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And I get it because in thirty five eleven, you

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know when Christ comes to the Americas, you know, eleven eighteen,

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when he talks about contention, we struggle with that that

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that is such a we look at contentional. It's combative.

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It goes against what we're supposed to do. But to me,

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you murmuring behind someone's back and being passive aggressive is

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just like the people in the New Testament. It's just

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exactly it's not good. Look, I think I think I

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think christ would look upon you for trying to have

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a discussion and be adults about it, you know, And

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that's what it should be when you disagree, and Reck

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can tell you Brett and I have disagreed on me,

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but I've never felt, oh, I'm disrespected this Like I

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respect him way more and I respect you way more

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for doing that. And I try not to do these things.

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I try to address these things with people. And look,

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this is and this is all sports, right, that's not political.

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But I felt like Greg, if at least at the

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person directly and be honest so we know, oh, don't

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play the game of someone on the broadcast when you

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know who it is, you've talked to that person and passing. Look,

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Greg's at practice because you know you're a play by

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play guy and normally your color guy or have a

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chance to go to practice, you probably a pass Sean

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of numerous of times. I just keep the if you

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want the relationship to stay workable, don't do stuff like that.

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So like that, That's what I'm looking at is I'm

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going on this tangent. But Sean had every right to

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apply and I respect him for doing that, because if

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you were to do that to me and say yes,

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someone on Cougar Sports said this, It's like, well who

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else is with Ben every day? And Brett like, I

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just I don't go for that, So it's it's disappointing,

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but I just no one should be surprised by this.

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I think if you ever do that to someone and

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someone would have come to you and say, oh I

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heard this or you did this, just don't be shocked, Like,

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don't be in Look if they come with a certain energy,

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expect that, Like if I say something behind Brett's back

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of yeah there was someone you know, former social media

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got like what I should not I should not be

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surprised if Brett calls me or if he says something publicly.

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So that's what I'm getting that I'll in there. But yeah,

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this is definitely an athlete thing because as a former athlete,

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you do not like when people say that and don't

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come talk to you, and your competitive nature will always

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trump anything and you're gonna be like, oh, I got you.

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Let me back it up with my data points too.

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Always I've seen it.

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Speaker 4: Well that's what I mean. You saw that from Sean Farnham.

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He's like, I want to hop on your show. I

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want to talk about this. I'm going to bring up

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data points on he brought numbers.

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Speaker 5: Too, brought facts. You know. The other thing I don't

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like is BYU fans. We can't have it both ways.

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Speaker 6: You can't say you want national media to advocate for you,

470
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and then when you have a national media member who

471
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is the biggest BYU advocate that there is when it

472
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,440
comes to college basketball, then you're like, oh, well we

473
00:21:36,519 --> 00:21:38,960
hate him when he comes to provo, no more cougar tails,

474
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,079
all that stuff. Sean Farnum is the biggest BYU national

475
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,119
media advocate. Do not come for him, otherwise you will

476
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,000
lose your national media advocate. You can't sit there and

477
00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:49,559
be the boy who cried wolf and say well, I

478
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,400
want people to advocate for us, and then when someone

479
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,559
tells you the truth and you don't like it, then.

480
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Speaker 5: You say, well we don't want him.

481
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Speaker 6: Well, look there's not people lining up at the door

482
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saying I want to nationally meet advocate for b YU.

483
00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:03,200
So take the guys who do. And when they tell

484
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,119
you the truth, that's okay if you don't like it.

485
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,720
But what Sewan's numbers said, we're not lying. Yeah, And

486
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,759
ultimately like Greg's job is to be an advocate for

487
00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:13,799
b YU. Yeah, he is the voice, he is the

488
00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:16,799
positive propagandist.

489
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 5: Like that's where his paycheck comes from.

490
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Speaker 4: If he begins to if he is not willing to like,

491
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,279
you know, step up and defend BYU, you know, or

492
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,720
be proactive in defending BYU, right.

493
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,079
Speaker 5: Like that that's not a good look either.

494
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 4: So I understand like going out of his way, like no,

495
00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:38,160
like and should he have like quote tweeted him, at

496
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,680
tagged him. I don't know, Like what Sean said wasn't wrong, Yeah, no,

497
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And I get it. But like, also what Greg said

498
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is like, well, no, we have other shooters, AJ and

499
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,920
Rob That's what he said, and that there's truth in

500
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that as well.

501
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Speaker 5: There is truth in that.

502
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Speaker 4: I mean there is the boy shooting thirty six plus

503
00:22:55,839 --> 00:22:57,559
percent from the three point line, right.

504
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Speaker 5: But I think to what Sean Sean tin about volume, which.

505
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Speaker 2: Is well he's talking about Stem.

506
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Speaker 6: And Shawn's point is that like you don't have shooters,

507
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Like obviously we know you have Robin AJ.

508
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Speaker 5: Those are your main guys. Who are they passing to?

509
00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:12,680
But they're not shooters?

510
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:12,839
Speaker 3: Right?

511
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Speaker 5: Who are they? Like you have your main guys who

512
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are they passing?

513
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Speaker 2: Dude, they're the playmakers A and Rob, so they can't

514
00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:20,200
be everything.

515
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,039
Speaker 5: And I think that was Sean's point.

516
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it is what it is. I guess it's country.

517
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,079
I didn't know about this, so.

518
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Speaker 2: Thank you Brett for bringing us up. I love this

519
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:30,759
is a great talking point.

520
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,559
Speaker 4: I do think, like you know, my social commentary is

521
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,119
like it's always best to quote tweet or quote them,

522
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,279
you know, put like their video up, put their quote up,

523
00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:43,960
say like I disagree, I think b yu ha shooters,

524
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,799
and then have a debate with him in a front face,

525
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,279
especially if you're a public figure, and.

526
00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:49,759
Speaker 6: Especially if it's likely that you probably know the person,

527
00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:52,920
like if I did that to you, we work together,

528
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:55,559
and it's.

529
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Speaker 5: Brother, why you just Ben says Enick Watson's gonna be

530
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,160
QUB two what an idiot He's gonna be tracing more

531
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,319
on and Cougar Sports said this two other people.

532
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,599
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, I get I've gotten a lot of

533
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,240
those guys, Like I've gotten a lot of those guys

534
00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:18,680
on social media that like kind of like hover around

535
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,440
the message boards.

536
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,319
Speaker 5: I'm like, guys, I.

537
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 4: Know who you are this like, I know who you

538
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:29,000
are in your unanimous anonymous, uh handle right, and a

539
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,880
lot of times they try to poke the bear in

540
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,039
order to get a reaction, and it's super like, I

541
00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:42,279
don't it's super like, oh gosh, I was like, I

542
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:45,160
don't know how to describe it, just like it is

543
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:50,240
such like a just like a manipulative, passive, aggressive, like

544
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,039
neurotic thing to do for validation, to make yourself feel

545
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:59,480
better about it. It's it's game of thrones, little finger,

546
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,759
like Varius vibe. To me, it's like you're you're not

547
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,400
masculine enough to get out there, and like you're just

548
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,359
not masculine enough to have a front facing conversation and

549
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,000
a fourth right conversation and debate.

550
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 5: Instead, you have to think like this is it's super

551
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,640
to me neurotically feminine.

552
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 4: And I hate to say that, but like that's kind

553
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,519
of how I feel about I'm like, guys, don't back byke,

554
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:26,440
don't subterfuge, don't subtweet, Just call it as you see

555
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,240
it and be a freaking man, and let's debate.

556
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,079
Speaker 6: There's nothing wrong with disagreeing, by the way, that's not

557
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:33,920
the article I'm making.

558
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 5: Agree.

559
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 6: You can absolutely disagree, But if you're gonna disagree with

560
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:39,680
someone be man enough to let them know that you

561
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:42,160
disagree with them, especially when it's likely that you know.

562
00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:45,079
Speaker 4: I've had articles written about me before, Like I had

563
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,240
an article written about me, like me being a fanboy

564
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,799
on an official website, meybe a fan wearing BYU gear

565
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,359
into the press box, and so I'm like, guys, like,

566
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,519
I don't know what to tell you, like and I

567
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:59,680
added him, I'm like, hey, like, I am a former player,

568
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,079
I run a BYU specific show, I'm an owner of

569
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:09,079
a BYU license apparel company. I'm a Cougar club member,

570
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,359
my brother played for BYU, my parents are alums, And

571
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,759
I don't know what you expect.

572
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: I am not your three you were three in the

573
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,319
alumni game back to back to back years.

574
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm just saying, like I am so intertwined

575
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,119
with BYU, like I'm a constructive critic, but like everyone

576
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,599
knows where my allegiance lies. I am not an uh

577
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:38,799
A A a unbiased traditional jay journalism media member, and

578
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,240
don't expect it from me.

579
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 5: Will I talk ball and criticize players and.

580
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 4: Their productivity and maybe if coaches are struggling, Sure, one

581
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:49,880
hundred percent, but that doesn't mean I'm sitting here like, oh,

582
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,759
I just want to hate on BYU all day. No,

583
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,559
I mean I I'm an advocate, so like anyway, like,

584
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,160
let's just be forthright, let's be open, let's be honest,

585
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,640
let's get rid of that culture.

586
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:02,799
Speaker 5: If you have a problem, yo, I'll solve.

587
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:05,079
Speaker 4: It and come up to the face to face and

588
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,720
have a conversation.

589
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 5: Like a grown ass man.

590
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 4: Teach your sons that if you have an issue, okay,

591
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:20,759
don't circumvent it through subterfuge and manipulation and subtweeting, be

592
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,960
it social media or what have you. Go to the

593
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,000
source and be like, hey, like we should address this,

594
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,200
address the problem anyway.

595
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: Man, I'm hopping back on the mic. But this was Look,

596
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,039
and I know someone's gonna tweet at me or DM

597
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:35,359
me about this. This was an issue in my mission

598
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,119
when I was his own leader. That bugged me so

599
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,880
much was the passive aggressiveness of you know, not being

600
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,680
able to sit down and talk about, you know, a

601
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,640
problem in this like it's okay, Like and you know what,

602
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,200
I didn't like, you know, and I know I'm making

603
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,960
it spiritual, but stay with me. The companionship inventory. I

604
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,279
didn't like how they were like, we're gonna wait till

605
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:58,680
Friday for you to tell me what upsets you during

606
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,319
this exact time, during this schedule.

607
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 5: For the comp.

608
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: That's what you're gonna do, be and bread in the car.

609
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 5: You know what.

610
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,519
Speaker 2: I'm having anosity towards hammer time. I'm gonna wait till

611
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:13,359
Friday at twelve after I eat my salach. I have

612
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,079
this to do.

613
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 5: For three days.

614
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: He interrupted me on the Planet cut and it's like, no,

615
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:22,440
like tap me, like you know how many times bretton. Look,

616
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:24,720
I want people to know, like, hey, Ron, you failed

617
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:26,960
right there. Hey bro, I expect better, my bad cool

618
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,640
Like I say that because I value what my friends

619
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,799
tell me, and I don't want them to ever think

620
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:34,359
man I disappointed, Like I feel bad for that, for you,

621
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,240
for the show, for the fan. So when someone says

622
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,079
that to me, I yes, of course to take a

623
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:40,079
person by like man, I feel bad because I don't

624
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:42,400
want to ruin the relationship and we need to look

625
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,519
at that of man, that really hurt me that you

626
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,519
just didn't say this. Her called me, oh my bad.

627
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:48,839
Let's do that and it fixes relationships and it makes

628
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,279
you stronger. Actually, it's that's why I think what Satan.

629
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:52,359
Speaker 5: Tries to do.

630
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: He tries to attack the family unit. The family needs

631
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,400
to be so strong. And even in your work things,

632
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,400
the people you come across, you want to treat those

633
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,480
relationships sometimes like family even though they're not, because you

634
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,559
don't want to burn bridges and not saying that this

635
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,039
is a burn bridge moment. Just just have the conversation.

636
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,480
It goes really a long way, you know, and I

637
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,200
don't know. I look at the woman taking adult you

638
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,680
I know I'm on super spiritual. You can tell someone hey,

639
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,359
that's wrong and still love them, or hey, I disagree,

640
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:17,359
and there has to be no animosity. I know that

641
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,839
it's conflicting, but have the conversation. That's that's that's my

642
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:21,880
that's my takeaway.

643
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 4: Well, I guess that's their nitty gritty Rodie Bike. I

644
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:28,599
didn't know we were going there. I appreciate every time

645
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,240
bringing up that was not in the front. There was

646
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,440
not an attack on Greg. I think it's great to

647
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,519
have these conversations. I appreciate Sean stepping up to the

648
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:39,039
mic and you know, calling what he sees is a

649
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,319
spade of spade, and I could appreciate that, know if

650
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:45,119
his answer butts about it it's it's obviously b WYU

651
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,440
does have other scores and shooters besides Richie Sonders, As

652
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,400
Evan bia Kawa pointed out, like by you dropped twenty

653
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,519
spots in his rankings because of Richie Sonders.

654
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 5: He's a top one hundred player.

655
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 4: He's a top thirty player in college basketball, per Evan

656
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,000
Miakai's personnel Rankings and Efficiencies offense defense, like it's hard

657
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,000
to replace a top thirty player, especially when the bench

658
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:20,880
is so unproven and lacks confidence and lacks cohesion and

659
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,279
doesn't know what their role is and is yanked pretty

660
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,079
early on whenever they make a mistake. They don't have

661
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:28,480
any confidence, and now they're asked to be confident. And

662
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,160
the only guy that I really see with confidence in

663
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,880
what they do defensively, in rebounding wise and intention wise

664
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,279
is Hdem. Everybody else is kind of like, I don't

665
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:39,440
want to mess up, even Mihailo, I don't want to

666
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,920
mess up. I like to see I don't want to

667
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,240
mess up Tyler, I don't want to mess up. Everyone's

668
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:45,319
just that they don't want to mess up. Hedeem at

669
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,880
least is like just like playing ball and so and

670
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,960
I've been probably late to jumping on the head Deem

671
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,759
trick because I want more offensive potency. But I'm like,

672
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:56,839
maybe we just got to go with a dem Maybe

673
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,480
he Deem's got to be our guy. At least he

674
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:01,680
puts forth great effort defense and rebounds. Well, unless he's

675
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,920
going against a seven foot.

676
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Speaker 5: Eight Slovakian.

677
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Speaker 4: That's like four hundred pounds and can jump like thirty six.

678
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,319
He's gotta get thirty six in vertical. Holy cow, he

679
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:13,119
just boss that young man anyway.

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into some of the news and notes of today. In

722
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questions of the day, We're a week away from springball.

723
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,880
One week away from springball. Very excited about spring football.

724
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:27,119
I've and hearing some good you know, getting some good

725
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,200
feedback on the best athletes of the offseason. That doesn't

726
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,599
always correlate to great football play, but it is a

727
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:40,400
good foundational launching point for great football play. And so

728
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,920
I asked the question one of the biggest storylines heading

729
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,319
into springball? What is your biggest storyline? Brett always bringing

730
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,160
the hammer? And then Ronnie, I want you to search, ponder,

731
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,799
and pray. What's your biggest storyline that you're watching? Where

732
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,480
do your eyes gravitate towards when we're down there at practice,

733
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:59,839
you know, take checking out depth charts, looking at competition,

734
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:01,799
looking at scheme.

735
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,279
Speaker 5: What is the biggest storyline for you?

736
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 6: I'm glad I get to go first, because I think

737
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,440
I'm taking the easy one, the low hanging fruit and.

738
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 5: For a lot.

739
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 6: Honestly, this was not the question. This was not what

740
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:15,760
I thought my answer was going to be headed into

741
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,199
spring ball. But the last few weeks have changed some things.

742
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,800
I originally thought the biggest question was gonna be running

743
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,280
back depth, because that was I mean, that's been my

744
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,199
swan song for the last I mean, even in season.

745
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,559
I think I was the biggest question of I was

746
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,519
the biggest questioner of running back depth. Now I've changed

747
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,079
the tune a little bit because I know you're still

748
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:36,079
bringing back Offensive Player of the Year LJ. Martin, but

749
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,480
now you lose Chase Roberts, which we knew was gonna happen.

750
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:42,039
But then you lose Parker Kingston and those were your

751
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:46,199
basically your tune main stays at the receiver position. Last year,

752
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,280
well you had Carson Ryan, so that helped things out

753
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,880
so you didn't have to go too far into depth.

754
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,360
All three of those guys are gone now now two

755
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,920
of them you expected, but one of them in Parker Kingston,

756
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,800
we didn't expect to be gone. And now you're kind

757
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,599
of looking at a fresh leg as far as the

758
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:04,440
receiver room goes, Like I know, Jojo played a little bit.

759
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:09,039
I know Cody Hagen played a little bit, but you

760
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,599
have basically a blank slate when it comes to the

761
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:18,559
receiver position for BUYU. Now, the good news is you

762
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,239
bring in a ton of dudes, and I almost wonder

763
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,599
if this is gonna be like Jake rhetzoff to bear

764
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:30,039
Backmeyer situation where someone you didn't expect ends up having

765
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,079
to be wide receiver one in a big way. I

766
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,440
wonder if we get one of the Poola twins to

767
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,440
show out this year at the receiver position. Maybe Reggie

768
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,960
frishconnect shows up. You got a lot of guys in

769
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:42,880
the room who could show up and show out for

770
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,559
this team. So while it does suck that you don't

771
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:47,920
know exactly what the depth is gonna look like, the

772
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,119
good news is you have guys like Terrence Serre on Legend, Glasger.

773
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,559
Speaker 5: You have a ton of options. Legends really nice. You

774
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:55,599
have a too Fast too.

775
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 6: You have a ton of options in that wide receiver

776
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,199
room for who could fill in that slate. And so

777
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,320
it sucks that you're at a blank slate, but you

778
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,400
got a lot of talent there.

779
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like your take on Legend. I think it

780
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:12,639
would be really good. I think I get a feeling

781
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,400
fast is really optimist about Legend. I get this feeling,

782
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,800
and I've heard some good reports about his athleticism and

783
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,519
top end speed on this team, I think he's one

784
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:23,679
of the fastest in fact, top end speed wise, so

785
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:28,000
vertical threat, you know. I feel like we're gonna be

786
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:32,000
more of an intermediate passing team like we were last year.

787
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,960
But Bear could surprise me with his arm strength this year. Ronnie,

788
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,840
what do you got for me biggest storyline?

789
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,159
Speaker 5: For your biggest storylines?

790
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,159
Speaker 2: So grateful that Brett took what took the one that

791
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,719
I was not hoping to have to take. I got

792
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,679
nervous there for a sex. So we're in sync, not

793
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,599
even thinking about it. I do like to take a

794
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,719
wide receiver room because that competition is wide open. Been

795
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,639
with everything that's transpired. I do like Legend I said yesterday,

796
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,679
I think that's the sleeper guy when you think of

797
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,239
kickoff return of speed. So I love well see what

798
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,920
he does. Yeah, all these guys gotta go earn it

799
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:04,440
to me, Ben, I'm gonna go for it. And I mean, look,

800
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,199
I'm gonna keep being petty about being called out about

801
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,559
pressing Rex and a running back, but that. That's my storyline, though, Ben,

802
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:13,039
who outside of LJ do you trust? Even a person?

803
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,159
Added me, who do you trust? Don't tell me if

804
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:16,880
a guy is healthy. I'm tired of hearing if a

805
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,920
guy's healthy. No, no, no, I want to see healthy.

806
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,320
I need to see so to me that competition, Ben,

807
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:25,960
Micah beck'sad you talk about LJ. Look, we saw when

808
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:28,360
LJ and Bear both got hurt and got dinged up,

809
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,400
and they were playing through injury. So they're tough as

810
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,599
nails being they played through a lot. But wouldn't it

811
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:34,400
be nice to have a couple more people where they

812
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,239
don't have to do that, where they're a little bit

813
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,679
more fresh. So Micaeh Beckstead five ten, two thirty eight,

814
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,199
looking at the roster right now, if LJ gets dinged

815
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,239
up and he's had his fair share of injuries, could

816
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,800
Micah offload and take some of that? Joe Vessa de Mooney,

817
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,400
Brandon Gurney said, that's the guy he earned himself, you know,

818
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:51,920
the sixth the Rechert sophomore six foot one hundred and

819
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,840
ninety five pounder, Davon Ekka. We've heard great things about

820
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,840
him that you've mentioned. Ben, that's another guy he's got

821
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,440
to go prove it. But I like what I see

822
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,079
from him. Could Lucky Fenale be the yeah? I mean,

823
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:04,480
you know Moa is still there. Look Siona could shut

824
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,840
everybody up and say hey, look I'm back baby. We'll

825
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,360
see Logan pain you know that guy. Look when you

826
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:12,840
lead the state, you know, in rushing yards, and you're

827
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,599
up there in four or five or six A and

828
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:17,760
you don't get a chance to really prove it, it sucks. Obviously,

829
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,400
Preston Rex was there, his past catching ability. I think

830
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,960
they'll have plays for him. Been this competition to me,

831
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:24,880
I think is wide open for anybody. So I like

832
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,920
what I see out of LJ as being the main guy.

833
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:29,719
But to me, it's the running back room. I want

834
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,760
to see when LJ is not participating, who's gonna be

835
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,519
the guy that's gonna put his hand up that says, hey, Klanie,

836
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:37,360
I'm going to be the guy, not that you have

837
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,599
to pick me. I'm gonna take the spot and take

838
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:41,639
it away, and you're gonna put me as RB two.

839
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,320
And this is gonna be a battle all throughout Fall

840
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,000
Camp Ben, just because what we what will be led

841
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:49,360
into probably ten or twelve practices I assume after that

842
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,599
this is gonna go on the whole season. So to me, Ben,

843
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,519
it's RB two. That's my storyline.

844
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love both of those. I don't know, Vic,

845
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:57,679
did you want to chime in on this your biggest storyline?

846
00:38:57,679 --> 00:38:59,960
What do you got for me? Well? I was gonna

847
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,239
go with the wide receiver room. You can't copy it,

848
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,599
but I can't copy it. Well, you want to search,

849
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,320
ponder and pray as I talk about this.

850
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 9: I'll go with the line, the offensive line. Okay, I

851
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:14,119
like that take, you know, because the offensive line is

852
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:17,320
the most important part of football.

853
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: You know, I agree with you and think o line

854
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,320
play and quarterback play typically go the hand hand in

855
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:23,880
hand together.

856
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,199
Speaker 5: Yep.

857
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 9: And you gotta have guys on the end that are

858
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,639
good because you because those defensive ends and edge rushers

859
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,559
out there are good. They're fast, they're quick, and uh,

860
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,360
you gotta be able to hold the ende for.

861
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 5: Bear, you know. I like that.

862
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 4: So like the the pockey Fenale Zakiyamauchi, the junior ciug

863
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:51,000
these new faces coming in, you have the holdovers of Brucey,

864
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:55,320
the tip of the spear there at center. You have,

865
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:59,679
you know, some good players, definitely returning along that offensive

866
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,280
line with with reps.

867
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:01,639
Speaker 3: UH.

868
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 4: You have new faces, Bot Mulitalo coming in from loan

869
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,920
peak him.

870
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, very excited for him and I can't wait to

871
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,880
see if UH was his first Brown He's hit Joe

872
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,360
Brown peak that.

873
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,559
Speaker 5: See. I want to see what Joe can do this year,

874
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,159
if he can take a step forward. And because he

875
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,679
has the strength, he has all.

876
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 4: The all the tools, right, you had no doubt about it.

877
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:29,159
Sonny Michaelsini returns Katon chitister. Don't you gotta watch out

878
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,559
for him at one of the tackle spots, Trevor pay

879
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,559
bring him Alexander Andrew Gentry obviously coming back as a

880
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,239
returning starter with a ton of reps, a ton of

881
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,800
starts under his belt. You got Jeff Lewis U Chad

882
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,239
Lewis's son Chad son yep yep. Kyle super Choke also

883
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,639
came on strong last year. The guard spot Ethan Thomason

884
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:51,800
at tackle UH. He was gonna be a red shirt freshman.

885
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,559
Now Andrew Williams big time recruit. He'll be a red

886
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:58,320
shirt freshman as well. One lat too female red freshman.

887
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,639
It's another guy you know, like you got a lot

888
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,239
of really talented red shirt freshmens with length and athleticism

889
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,519
that are looking to maybe get some more pt there.

890
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,639
And then Straansmanngeesi watch out for him. He's one of

891
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:14,199
the strongest guys in the waiting from what I've been

892
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,800
told at GUARD. But I think that the guys that

893
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,039
you're really intrigued by, some of those transfers that are

894
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,000
brought in typically you get a mercenary transfer they need.

895
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 5: Those are the guys you're looking at to step up.

896
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 9: But I'm not concerned because we have one of the

897
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,239
best offensive line coaches in the country. Yeah, TJ is good,

898
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,320
So I'm excited to see how he's going to help them,

899
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:38,039
you know, progress and move along. And I think we'll

900
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,519
get a couple of good surprises. But I think we're

901
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:42,639
gonna be just like last year. I think he'll have

902
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,599
like seven, maybe six, seven, eight maybe guys that he

903
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,239
could use.

904
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so all right, I'll give you my I think

905
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,519
for me, realize it where I'm coming from here. So

906
00:41:56,679 --> 00:42:00,800
I think offensively, you retained pretty much everybody, I mean,

907
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,760
minus Parker, right, but you know, you retained all your

908
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,559
coaches and you retained pretty much all your players. You're

909
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,400
gonna lose anyone in the portal, you know, keep it

910
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,360
like last year, who did we lose Keelan Marion? And

911
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,639
it was big time and and Parker's big time. It's

912
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,400
pretty demascat. But like as a whole, you have most

913
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:24,719
of what you what you expected. Did Keelan leaving BYU?

914
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,480
Impact BYU? Offensively?

915
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 5: Sure?

916
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 4: Was it enough to beat Texas Tech? I'm not convinced, right,

917
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,360
And those are your two losses?

918
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,199
Speaker 5: Does that make sense? So it's like I'm okay.

919
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 4: Like the offense was top twenty five per ESPNSP plus

920
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,199
everyone's returning pretty much. I feel like the offense, even

921
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,719
though I love RB two, even though I want to

922
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,760
see wide receiver one, Kyler Kasper all those things, Like

923
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,400
I'm intrigued. I want to see the new tight ends,

924
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,920
Walker Lines, how good he can be, Roger Sally Paga,

925
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,360
the second other up and coming.

926
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:57,599
Speaker 5: Guys, and see kind of how they've progressed.

927
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: I think the question mark that everybody has is how

928
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,920
do we replace Jay Hill? How do we replace Jennaro?

929
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,800
How good is the defense? What does the defensive scheme

930
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,039
look like? How good is this defense? What's going to

931
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:16,199
be the difference, Who's going to be doing. What are

932
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,400
we running a forty front the majority of the time,

933
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,880
we're running a thirty front with a stand up edge rusher.

934
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,800
You know, you know, how good is Demario Warren as

935
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,079
a safety's coach? How good is coach Clark as the

936
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:29,039
cornerbacks coach?

937
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 5: Heard some good things about Warren?

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Speaker 9: That's great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, what's the feedback from the players about the

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retained scheme and the additional wrinkles of the scheme.

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Speaker 5: Does that make sense?

942
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Speaker 4: I think that's what they're going to get into with

943
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in springball. I think most people when they're looking at

944
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the win loss record, it's similar to what Brian Logan stated.

945
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I was like, hey, what are your expectations right for

946
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the twenty twenty six season?

947
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Speaker 5: Like and I disagreed with him to.

948
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Speaker 4: A degree, but I think there's a lot of BWAYU

949
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fans that feel this way. My baseline, he said, was

950
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always bull eligibility.

951
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Speaker 5: Six win.

952
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:11,599
Speaker 4: That's the expectation, right, that's quota. But I know that's

953
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not what you're asking Ben. If Jay Hill were still DC,

954
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,159
he said the expectation would be a conference championship appearance minimum.

955
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With first year defense coordinator Kelipapinga, I still expect nine wins,

956
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,199
same philosophy, returning experience, strong recruiting momentum, but not in

957
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,639
the in the one, but Ba's not in the one

958
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,760
player makes a break US era anymore. They've built stability.

959
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,880
But I mean he was alluding like he felt like

960
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,360
there was a drop off or maybe an unknown, because

961
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maybe it's more of an unknown than a drop off.

962
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,639
I think the defense is gonna be good, just as

963
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good or better. I'm a huge advocate for Kelly PIPINGA.

964
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,039
He's extremely intelligent, nobody works harder, and he's gonna combine

965
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:53,920
some things and elements that I think are gonna be

966
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,119
very beneficial for this defense in twenty twenty six. I

967
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,760
can't wait for him to showcase that. But if you

968
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pulled the BAU fan base as a whole, I think

969
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:05,119
all of them are like, what's the defense going to

970
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:07,440
look like without Jay Hill and General? Yeah, that's their

971
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:11,280
like anxiety, their feel you know, their their fear right now.

972
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:13,840
And so I'm gonna be addressing that. I'm gonna be

973
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talking about that. I'm gonna be conversing about that. I'm

974
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gonna be focused on that because I understand where Cougar

975
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Nation's coming from and I.

976
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Speaker 5: Want to see it too, right, Yeah, he's the first

977
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time DC. No doubt.

978
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Speaker 4: How good will Kate Popp in this defense be in

979
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:34,280
twenty twenty six? Will it be the strength of this team?

980
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,519
Will it be you know, you know, kind of a

981
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secondary tertiary strength. Right the last few years, year over year,

982
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,199
the special teams has been the strength. Last year there's

983
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:46,800
a bit of a drop. They ended up I think

984
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,760
forty fifth or so in special team's efficiency and the

985
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,719
defense and offense we're top twenty five, but the special

986
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teams have been elite. That's what Kate Pop has overseen.

987
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,280
I can't wait to see what he can do with

988
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,280
the defense. Very much intrigued. But I think that's the

989
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,920
biggest storyline going into springball that I'm keeping an eye

990
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,360
on real quick. Uh.

991
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys saw this article.

992
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Speaker 4: Uh, it's entitled the Athletic it's via the Athletic derogatory

993
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,360
chance at BAU games lead to fines and apologies. But

994
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can can Big twelve break the cycle? I want to

995
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,800
delve into that next. But that was our question of

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in this segment. Find it interesting the athletic put out

1024
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an article about the Dragons, our chance at BYU and

1025
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how the Big twelve he is trying to and b

1026
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,880
what he's trying to break the cycle. I know some

1027
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,719
of you guys have read through this, but just just

1028
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,199
real quick, over the past year by football and basketball

1029
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,480
teams have been targeted by these derogatory chants.

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00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:04,079
Speaker 5: And this has been going on for years, by the way,

1031
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I mean I was.

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Speaker 4: I remember going to TCU and O six and like

1033
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,599
the Mormons, but going out to Boston College.

1034
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,559
Speaker 5: Same thing anywhere you go, Like I didn't care. I

1035
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,320
wasn't like I.

1036
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 4: I'm desensitized to just about everything that I that I've

1037
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:24,320
heard on and off the football field, and they could

1038
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be a good thing or a bad thing at any rate.

1039
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 5: It's an issue. You know, you don't want bigotry you

1040
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:28,760
don't want hate.

1041
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 4: You don't want religious discrimination either, when I've rid ourselves

1042
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,719
of all those things. But these chants were directed at

1043
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,800
members of the churches just Christ Lottery Saints, and even

1044
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:40,360
non members of the churches just Christ Lottery Saints but

1045
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,440
are affiliated with BYU.

1046
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 5: On these Big Twelve road.

1047
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 4: Games, there was incidents at Arizona, Colorado, Cincinnati, and Oklahoma

1048
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,639
State four in particular.

1049
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 5: The Big Twelve did.

1050
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 4: Fine stat of the day Oklahoma State fifty thousand dollars

1051
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,639
and stated it will not tolerate behavior that targets or

1052
00:48:57,679 --> 00:48:58,360
demeans others.

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00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 5: But we've had similar incident, says.

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00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,559
Speaker 4: Incidents have continued despite fines and apologies, so they continue, right.

1055
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,920
I think you of a went out in front, got

1056
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,519
out in front of it, and maybe been Tommy Lloyd

1057
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:11,480
that went out and was quoted as hey, do not

1058
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:17,920
engage in in bigotry and religious hate by chanting any

1059
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:22,360
sort of derogatory things to our fans or the team

1060
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,800
that's coming into the McHale Center.

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00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 5: He got out in front of it. Much respect to

1062
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,519
him trying to get out in front of it. So

1063
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:28,000
they Brennan did that as well.

1064
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, Bret Brenan probably did it as well. Yeah, yeah,

1065
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:33,320
so shout out to those guys. A little music to respect,

1066
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,960
little dab figurative dab to you guys, but bay you.

1067
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:41,159
Coach Kevin Young addressed the Chance after the Oklahoma State games,

1068
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:43,519
saying the comments were rooted in hate, explained the personal

1069
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,119
impact on his family and players. Church Alison he should

1070
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:49,440
have statement calling the Chance offensive, discriminatory and unacceptable, and

1071
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:53,039
said the conference must move beyond a cycle of apologies

1072
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:57,760
without improvement BYU has performed well competitively in the Big Twelve,

1073
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,800
and so like whenever you are winning, you know that

1074
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,719
probably gets a little bit more here. If we're losing

1075
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,719
every single game, maybe no one would care in football

1076
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,199
and basketball, right, but the chances to have become recurring issue.

1077
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Speaker 5: On the road at the road venue.

1078
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 4: Some people and some schools have taken steps to address

1079
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the problem, including three game sportsmanship messages, coaches speaking to

1080
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,800
student sections, bands playing over chance, and removal of offensive offensive.

1081
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Speaker 5: Fans experts say.

1082
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Speaker 4: Some experts say anti LDS bigotry has become more socially

1083
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,920
acceptable in some settings, often fueled by stereotypes and lack

1084
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,639
of familiarity. Look, how many Mormons are there in the world.

1085
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:39,199
How many Lattery Saints are there in the world?

1086
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,079
Speaker 5: Seventeen million?

1087
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 4: Okay, how many people live in the in the on

1088
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,679
the globe, in the in the in the world eight billions,

1089
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,159
White cys theory, you conscribe eight billion. We have over

1090
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,679
three hundred and thirty three hundred and forty million individuals

1091
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,719
here in the United States of America, so seventeen million

1092
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,639
small percentage of people, and well ten millions not even

1093
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:04,159
the United States, so like eight million, nine million maybe

1094
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:05,719
at most, or here in the United States of America.

1095
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,960
And the half of those don't even don't even claim

1096
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:11,280
to be Mormon because they're probably less active. Does that

1097
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,800
make sense that you have, let's say, generously four million

1098
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,519
out of the three hundred and fifty or so million

1099
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:17,719
people that are living. And I say, no one knows

1100
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,119
any Mormons. I tell people all the time, like you're

1101
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:21,400
only as good as your anecdotes.

1102
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,079
Speaker 5: It's not like anyone.

1103
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 4: How many people actually have elbow to elbow, shoulder to

1104
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:31,480
shoulder interpersonal contact with a Latter Day Saint, Very very,

1105
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:34,679
very few, And the only thing that they do see

1106
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,239
is on freaking social media and on TV, and it's

1107
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:43,719
always something stupid and crazy, and it's always the outliers

1108
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:50,079
of neuroticism and emotional and psychological instability, and they give

1109
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:52,159
us all a bad name, and I hate it.

1110
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:53,639
Speaker 5: I hate it.

1111
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, there's like a there's a The Bachelorette. She's

1112
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,280
holding the book. My wife showed me the Book of

1113
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,920
More Men, My Holy cow man, like that that is

1114
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,039
the craziest chick I've ever seen.

1115
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,519
Speaker 5: Like, my wife showed me a seventeen videos of this guy.

1116
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, she's emotionally accepted now, granted all grace like

1117
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:19,519
to her, Like, you know, align yourself, you know, try

1118
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,320
to set set up your life to not have.

1119
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 5: You know, to have temporal and spiritual stability in your life.

1120
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,880
For the love of all that. The worst thing that

1121
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,920
that woman can do is go on to the Bachelor Act.

1122
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:34,760
In my opinion from what I've seen this far, at

1123
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,159
any rate, that's what you're working with.

1124
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 4: So I understand ignorant comments because how are Latter day

1125
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:48,119
Saints portrayed around the world and around the country. Really,

1126
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,920
Like I've seen too many, like like crime series documentaries

1127
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,679
about crazy Mormons too. I'm like, dang man, like, our

1128
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,159
outliers are bad are they're not. They don't give us

1129
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:05,360
a good name, and they give us all a crazy name,

1130
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,760
so look, we can't have it. I appreciate it. I

1131
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:14,360
do understand why it still exists, though, because human nature

1132
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,400
is human nature, and you're only as good as your anecdotes.

1133
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 5: Still so and and and even though we're fast growing.

1134
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:26,079
Speaker 4: Church, it's not like everyone in the country is interacting

1135
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:28,760
with Latter day Saints wherever they go and having great, positive,

1136
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,400
overwhelmingly awesome experiences.

1137
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,159
Speaker 5: Does that make sense anyway?

1138
00:53:33,519 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 4: By you and supporters have shown goodwill obviously towards Big

1139
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,719
twelve communities through donations fundraising for opposing teams, but those

1140
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,880
efforts have not stopped those chants. Even when you went

1141
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,400
out to Cincinnati you gave what how many twenty thousand

1142
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,320
pounds of food.

1143
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 5: To the students, and the students are like, if the

1144
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:51,280
more Mans.

1145
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,559
Speaker 4: No soup for you, then no food stuffs for you, pal,

1146
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:59,039
no soup for you, no soup for you? All you've

1147
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,000
signed felt fans anyway, Conference and Bill, you administrator, have

1148
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:04,840
said the goalie is to stop the behavior, not just

1149
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:08,159
issue apologies afterwards. What do you got, guys, anything any

1150
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,440
follow up to this? I love just cam Ronnie as

1151
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:14,000
the author of this. By the way, I love the

1152
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:14,880
idea of.

1153
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 6: Fighting hate with light, and so this idea of doing

1154
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:25,159
more donations, doing more food pantry stuff like all that,

1155
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,480
because guess what, you can find a school all you want.

1156
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,039
Guess how much the student body gives a rip about that? Yeah,

1157
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,480
zero percent. But you know what, if we can turn

1158
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:37,800
some version of that bad into a positive. To me,

1159
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,840
that's the best thing we can possibly do. They even

1160
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,960
talk about it in the in the article about how

1161
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,320
like part of this is just like mob mentality, hive

1162
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,559
mind of just drunk college students, which I agree with

1163
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,039
many of whom, if who probably have Mormon friends, who

1164
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,000
probably would would not subscribe to that behavior. You can't

1165
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,599
stop an entire group of people from doing something stupid.

1166
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:05,119
What you can do is fight the hate with light.

1167
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,599
And so the more of these activities where BYU fans

1168
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:10,760
are donating to a certain cause, it's all you can.

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Speaker 5: Do, right, That's all we can do.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't even like like complaining about it, quite honestly,

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just go down and do good, man, Just go out

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and do good, like I always said, Like you know.

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Speaker 5: I've had this debate with Latter day Saints.

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Speaker 4: I think missions should be more service oriented with a

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component of proselyting, rather than proselyting with an element of service.

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I think service and making an impact in communities and

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being self sacrificing is much more likely to invite others

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to just explore the faith because they're experiencing action rather

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than words. Does that make sense, Yeah, like I had.

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I just think action always trumps words. And we all

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feel that. We know that with our own relationships. You know,

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you go about doing good, and you're doing it for

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the right reason. You're like, look, I just I feel

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like I got to give back. I feel like I

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make an impact. I feel like I gotta you know,

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bring others to like the things that make me happy

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and feel like like fill my cup and make me

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feel complete.

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Speaker 5: That is so much more powerful than say, like, you

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know what.

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Speaker 4: And the planet Salvation is very romantic, by the way,

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I love the plant Salvation, right, one of the most

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romantic plans eternal families. You kid me, let's say eternal

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love and eternal families. It's romantic, right, But I do

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think service trump's pop proselyting. It just does and we

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need to be more focused on that. So go about

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doing good, go about making an impact, and go about

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inviting people to say, look like this is this is

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what changed me, transformed me.

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Speaker 5: It's it's my faith that I'm a part of.

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Speaker 8: You do that.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to like sit there and criticize the people

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that hate BYU.

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Speaker 4: And in Latter day sytem, they're the ones that will

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die on the hill of all Mormons. All Latter day

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Saints are a bunch of hypocrites that can live up

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to their faith. They always fall short, they're always they're there,

1208
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bunch of fakers. They're all there. They're hypocrites, they're bigots.

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They think they're better than everybody else. They think they're

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the leader. That's what they say. And so they justify

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their hay through that. Go about and do good, and

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really they can't say anything. And hopefully you're doing it

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for the right reasons, not just to do, but to become.

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There's a difference.

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Speaker 9: And when I read this article, the thing that stuck

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out to me, like Brick mentioned, is twenty seven thousand

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pounds of food that they got y yeah, yeah, to

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Oklahoma State and then one hundred and seventy five thousand

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dollars they raise help raise for that poor little family

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at Texas Tech.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and look.

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Speaker 4: Like I do think we all need to take heed

1223
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that we do not, you know, share our alms and

1224
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thrust our arms out before men to be seen of them.

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Otherwise you have no reward. You gotta be judicious about

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that too. It's like, no, go about doing good for

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the right reason, not just for public relations. And like see, hey,

1228
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we go about doing good even though I mean, look,

1229
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the church I think has been a humanitarian church for

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a long time.

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Speaker 5: Only recently have they.

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Speaker 4: Begun to like share it with others that they are

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doing humanitarian things because no one, no one cares to

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cover what good the BYU, what Mormons are doing in

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the world more often than not. So you know, if

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no one's gonna advocate, remember I always talk about advocates.

1237
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Speaker 5: Who's an advocate for BYU, who's an advocate for the.

1238
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Speaker 4: Latter day Saint Church, who's a champion to defend the

1239
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fruits and the faith? Not many people out there, Unfortunately,

1240
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there's not many in your corner. But we can still

1241
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go about doing good. We'll go to break that's a

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