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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media. Oh I got

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a live one here.

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, welcome back to the Shrill You Can't

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Be Serious podcast. This week we're tackling the Batman eighty

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nine versus the Dark Knight.

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Speaker 1: Dah, I've got a question for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever danced with the devil by the

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pillin night?

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Speaker 3: What you say?

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Speaker 1: I was asked out of all my costs? Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: Here we are for part two of Batman eighty nine

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versus Dark Knight.

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Speaker 1: You want to get nuts, Let's get nuts.

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Speaker 4: Go go with a smock.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's podcast Batman eighty nine. Okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: And we talked about how when the movie has developed

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over ten years, there's gonna be a lot of people associated. Okay,

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so I've got a killer list, but for this movie

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to work, you have to have a great Bruce Wayne,

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and you have to have a great joker. Everybody else's

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kind of window dressing.

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Speaker 1: And okay, so here are the names. I mean, we're

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talking the mid eighties.

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Speaker 2: It's it's all the mediating stars, right, I mean, it's

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Kurt Russell, it's Harrison Ford, it's Tom Cruise, it's Kevin Costler. Okay,

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it's all these guys, but here are the names that

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kind of stood out to me. Okay, we talked about

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Bill Murray and Ivan Wright.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that they wanted was they wanted

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Pierce Brossman to be Bruce Wayne.

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Speaker 1: No solid choice. I think that would have been really cool. Yeah, okay,

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great looking guy, perfect jaw line, suave.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he could definitely played the cool playboy for action hero. Yeah,

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and clearly action hero. James Bond Right, Alc Baldwin, who

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had worked with Tim Burton on Beatle Juice.

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Speaker 1: True, that kind of point. Yeah, up and comer. But

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here's the one that blew me away. Okay, and we're talking.

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Speaker 2: I mean we've got Albacino, Kevin Spacey, Patrick Swayzey, Richard Gear,

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Michael Bean even. But the name that really stands out

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to me they wanted Richard Donner to direct Mel Gibson

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as Bruce Wayne.

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Speaker 1: Do you really want to jump in? Do you want

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to Joe Pesci as the penguin? Oh? Well, that one

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would be a solid choice for sure. Joe Pesci would

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be an ideal penguin.

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Speaker 2: But I'm funny, how I mean funny, like I'm a

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clown if usual I make you laugh.

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Speaker 1: I can see Mel Gibson as Batman and that could

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have been a big hit movie. But yeah, would you

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trade Batman eighty nine for leuth Weapon two? No? With

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with Mel Gibson? Yeah? No, Yeah, Okay, do you want

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to talk about their most outrageous consideration for the part

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of Bruce Wayne? Sure ahead. His name was Michael Keaton. Yeah,

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two twenty one. Whatever it takes, that's true about absurd, right. Yeah.

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So Michael Olsen when they say, okay, we would like

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Michael Keaton to play Bruce Wayne, he laughed out loud

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because he thought they were joking. Yeah, and he was like,

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you have mister Mom, right, yeah, and then they're like, no,

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we're serious, and he was up in arms. I mean,

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he's been working on this for nearly ten years and

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they're bringing they're bringing the guy for Night Shift Love

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Brookers what. He's a comedy actor. We the mayonnaise to

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the tuna. Yeah, I mean, Michael Keaton was a way

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out there choice. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He had done mister Mom, he had done Beetlejuice. He

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was amazing a beetlejuice. But it was a comedic performance.

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Speaker 1: It's All of his stuff had been comedic performances, except

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for a movie that he had just done called Clean

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and Sober. Right The Wall Street Journal, I know, the

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freaking Walls Street Journal, November twenty ninth, nineteen eighty eight.

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Front Page News. What is Warner Brothers thinking casting this

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guy as Bruce Wayne. It's destined to fail? Yeah, except

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it didn't. Except it didn't. So here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: So Warner Brothers got fifty thousand protest letters, fifty fifty thousand.

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And this is in the day where you don't just

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type an email, right, You've got to get out of

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piece pape, burn a pencil and stamping stamp it people.

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Speaker 1: If you do the math. I don't know what stamps

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were back then, probably about thirty cents, I'm guessing, yeah,

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I think five, but yeah, okay, so let's say twenty

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five that's over ten thousand dollars worth of stamps. They

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took the time to write down their anger on a

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piece of paper. Now, listen, that's fifty thousand fans. Okay, Yeah,

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And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the

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people who didn't take the time to do that, right,

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but also people who were against it. Were Sam Ham screenwriter, Yeah,

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Bob Kine, creator of Batman, and Michael Uslin.

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Speaker 2: When the guy had been babying this for ten years,

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seeing it through, bringing it, dragging it to the finish line,

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and Tim Burton says, no, we're doing this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Tim Burton had enough sway to make it happen.

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A guy again with two movies, one of which was

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a pee wee Herman movie, Are you kidding me? That's nuts?

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A guy with two movies says it's gonna Michael Keaton,

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or it's gonna be Michael Keaton. How about that right now?

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I'll note whenever they announced Robert Paniston as the new

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Bruce Wayne slash Batman, Yes, the same reaction happened and

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people went nuts. My friends went nuts. This is terrible.

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We got the twinkle vampire from Twilight, who's really okay, guys.

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Number one, he's a good freaking actor. He is a

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really good freaking actor. And yes he is a pretty man,

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but okay, he's playing a superhero. So I literally said,

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I didn't even know this part of history. I was

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ten eleven or whatever. Whenever they're making Batman and I

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was not in tune with the making of movies. I

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saw movies when they came out. That's all I cared about.

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And I said to all of my friends, my guess

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is that there are a lot of people that were

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up in arms about Michael Keaton. Turns out there were, yes,

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a whole lot. Oh yeah, and guess what, great, He's

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the best Batman that there's ever been. That's true. I'll

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say it again, and I'll spike the football. He is

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the best Batman that there has ever been.

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Speaker 2: When we get to the end of this discussion, we're

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going to compare Batman's batmobiles, jokers. Okay, we'll talk about

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all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So just a few years later, they were interviewing him

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about this, and you can tell the question was do

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you feel a sense of vengeance because his response is, ah,

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one of the vengeance is the I'm a big fan

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of irony. Several thousand people against the idea, you know,

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and you know that's okay. You know, when they hung

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me in Figy, I thought that was a bit extreme

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for me. He's a funny guy.

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Speaker 2: He's a funny guy, and you know he is getting

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ready to play Bruce Wayne again.

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Speaker 1: And Batman in the flash point in the Flesh movie

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and people are super pumped up. I hope he says,

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I'm vengeance. You know what else?

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Speaker 2: When they hired Heath Ledger to be the Joker, people

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lost their freaking mind as well. Lost their mind. Yeah,

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the guy for ten Things I Hate about you in

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A Night's Tale and The Patriot.

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Speaker 1: How is this guy going to be the Joker? Are

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you kidding me? Broke Back Mountain? Broke Back Mountain. It

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got him the part, that's exactly right. Christopher Nolan saw

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that and said, this is a guy who's willing to

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take a risk. This is my guy. He actually wanted

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him for Batman. He was one of the original considerations

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when they were casting Batman begins. Heath Ledger was a

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guy that Christopher Nolan wanted, and Heath Ledger turned it down.

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I don't want to be Batman. This is a guy

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for a young actor. I mean, you see this more

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with older actors. But he was a young actor at

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the time. He would only do a movie every few years.

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He wasn't out there constantly pumping it. He was a

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guy who found the right movie. He said he would

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do a movie who'd take a break and go long

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enough until he got hungry for it again and was

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at that point he would decide what movie he wanted

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to do. Fortunately for the rest of us, that happened

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to happen back in about two thousand and seven. Yeah, yeah,

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you know what he said when they asked him, why

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didn't you pursue that? Bruce Wayne Roll, he said, I'm

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like a dog. Jes carrs all right, let's talk about

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the Joker. Okay, eighty nine Joker, And.

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Speaker 4: Now, folks, it's time for who do you trust?

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Speaker 1: Money, money, money, Who do you trust me? I'm giving

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away three money? And where is that man.

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Speaker 2: One of the movies that sort of gave birth to

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Jack Nicholson being the Joker is The Witches of eastrog Right, Okay,

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I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If you remember that.

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Speaker 2: I had Susan Strand and Cher and Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman herself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the producer of that movie was John.

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Speaker 2: Peters, and he and Nicholson worked together, but they didn't

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really like each other, but he knew he's going to

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be great as the Joker.

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Speaker 1: Well, they were both probably chasing the same tale. John Peters,

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world famous at Chasing Dale. Yes, mister hairdresser, himself. So

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here are the names that they wanted to be the joker.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And like I said, many names associated with this, okay,

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Christopher Lloyd, David Bowie, Tim Curry, William Dafoe, Robert de Niro.

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But the big ones, the people that came the closest,

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are John Lithgow Okay, Robin Williams, and then of course

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Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson was always there, the number one, never rote

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another man's repart. So the way that they did this

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was rather deceptive, and I feel a little bit sorry

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for Robin Williams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they screwed him over, yes, because they used him

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as bait.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: So when they talked to Nicholson, Nichols like, yeah, it

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sounds kind of fun. Yeah, you know, it sounds kind

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of fun, but I don't really know. And so they

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go to Robin Williams and Robin Williams says, yeah, I

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want to do that, So he commits to the project. Now,

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so they go to Jack Nicholson and they're like, hey, listen,

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you want to do this or you don't want to

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do this. Robin Williams is committed, and that's when Jack

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steps back into the picture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so before before he gave the official yes, he

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had Peter Gouber and Tim Burton come out to his

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little ranch, right and they get there and Jack's like,

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let's scoop for a ride on the horses, and Tim

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Burton's like, I don't. I don't ride horses, and Jack

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Nichols is like, well today you do. That's great man.

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I'm gonna trust this guy. Now. Once Jack Nicholson commits,

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he commits. Yeah, he's all in. He's not Bill Murray

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who will flake out on. He's not Chevy Chase. He

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is a guy who will follow the direction that he

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has given once he's committed to that director. You know

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what else Robin Williams missed out on. They went to

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Robin Williams to play the Riddler for Batman Forever.

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Speaker 2: I keep bringing up Batman Forever. But he couldn't commit

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to that as well. He kind of toyed with him

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and didn't ever commit. So that had his feelings hurt

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a little bit of he was mad at Warner Brothers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, but here's the here's one of the things I

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want to talk about before we get off casting. But

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the amount of money that Jack Nicholson made on Batman

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is obscene.

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Speaker 1: It is important to note because it shows the foresight

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of Jack Nicholson. He took a lower paycheck than he

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normally would. I mean, this is a guy who's the

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number one guy. I mean, tying his name to this

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movie made it something that people got freaking excited about.

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You saw him at the end of that trailer. Wait,

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do they get a load to me? Yeah? Oh crap,

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I'm going to go see that movie the day it

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comes out, right, So he saw that, He's like, I

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know I'm gonna make this movie, and I know this

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movie is going to be good, so give me numbers

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on the back end. So he took a I think

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He took six, and then he.

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Speaker 2: Got a percentage of the box office and the toys

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for Batman, Batman Returns, and Batman Forever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the result was something to the tune of ninety

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million dollars and he probably got screwed out of some money.

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That's right, that's right. A quick side note on that

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Raileota was approached.

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Speaker 2: To play the Joker. They talked to him about playing

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the Joker. They talked to him about playing two Face

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for Batman Forever, and they talked to him about playing Batman,

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but he did another movie instead called good Fellas. Goodfellas yep,

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which we will talk about here in just a couple

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Speaker 1: That was a good choice for him. Yeah, it was okay.

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So we've got a Batman yep, we've got a Joker, yes,

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which that Joker meant more money from the studios and

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the investors for sure. Absolutely. So who are we going

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to have for our love interest?

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Speaker 2: So our love interest is Vicky Baale and they had

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her cast Shanya Sean Young from Blade, Blade Runner and

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Stripes and Ace Ventura.

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Speaker 1: Forgot Finkel is Final.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Sean Young had been cast as Vicky Vale. And

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not only that, it was like a week before filming started.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not even not even it's another story like the

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Michael being alien story, right, that's right. It's not just

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who can we get, but who can we get that

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can be here tomorrow. So Sean Young was practicing her

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part as Vicky Vale. She was riding horses because there

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actually was a scene in the script where Bruce Wayne

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and Dicky Vale ride horses together. Oh maybe they decided

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that wasn't such a good idea.

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Speaker 2: So she fell off the horse and injured her color bone,

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I believe. And I saw her talking about this and

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she said, you know, I just couldn't hang on to

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the horse. And she's like, it was a picture of

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my whole career. I had Batman and I just couldn't

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hang on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that is a.

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Speaker 2: Blockbuster that could have led to another blockbuster, which could

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have led to more things. So sadly they had to

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replace Vicky Vail immediately. So, like you said, they had

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to find somebody who was available. Can you get on

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a plane tomorrow and fly to London. It also had

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to have a name that lit up the marquee. Their

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first thought was Michelle Fider. Oh yeah, she was dating

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Michael Keaton at the time. Perfect except Michael Keaton's like, ah,

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hold on there, Phillis, I don't want to put pressure

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on my relationship by being in this blockbuster movie with

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my girlfriend. So he kind of put the brakes on that.

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Wait until the next movie. Then she comes out as catwoman.

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Hear her roar, so they call Kim Basinger and of

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course she's like I'm not doing anything. I could be

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in London tomorrow and here.

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Speaker 1: She comes Everywood Studios, same place that they shot at Superman.

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All right, quickly, you have Michael guff who played Alfred,

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and Burton cast him because he liked him in some

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of those old Hammer film productions. Okay, yeah, it's interesting. Okay, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: You have alex Alexander Knox, Opportunity Knox. Robert Woll played him.

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We talked about him in our Bulldrm episode Lally Gaggers,

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lollly Gaggers. I met Robert Wool the summer of nineteen

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eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: You guys tell me that story. Okay. When I say I.

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Speaker 2: Met him, I stood next to him. I stood next

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to him while my friend talked to him. But I

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was at a Kansas City Royals baseball game. Bo Jackson

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was playing for the Kansas City Royals, so that was

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a big ticket at the time. Sure, And this is

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like July of eighty nine, and they're standing next to

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me is Robert freaking Woll Alexander Knox, and he's just

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watching batting practice just like any old person. And I

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nudge my friend, I'm like, that's the dude from Batman

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and Bulder, He's like, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Talk to him. So I stood next to him while

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he talked to him. Anyway, nice guy. So after Alexander Knox,

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let's talk about Harvey Dent because Harvey Dent is in

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this movie. Yeah, they hired Billy D. Williams to play

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Harvey Dentrisian Hell, what have we here?

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Speaker 2: But they looked at Don Johnson, which I think could

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have been interesting. Oh for sure, William Peterson, who you

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remember from our Young Guns episode. They liked the fact

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that Billy D. Williams was black because they wanted to

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do this kind of black and white half and half

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two face.

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Speaker 1: Things, right, Okay, And Billy D.

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Speaker 2: Williams is like, yeah, I'll come on do this thing

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because I know two faces coming right right.

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Speaker 1: Well, they recast him in Batman three when Joel Schumacher

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took over. One other part I want to talk is

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the part of Robin.

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Speaker 2: Well what Robin was originally in the script for Batman

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eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: And they even talk to people I know. Keifer Solin

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was really close. Okay. They talked to Michael J. Fox.

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We talked about Eddie Murphy, Yeah right, They talked to

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all these guys they wanted Robin in it, and then.

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Speaker 2: They thought, no, it's too confused and too convoluted, too much.

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Speaker 1: Cut Robin out. And so yeah, Tim Burton was like,

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when we decided to take Robin out of the script,

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there wasn't anybody who went, oh no, It was all

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just that we don't need this. And as it turns out,

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it actually makes sense because for the first year there

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was no Robin Batman operated alone. We got Batman and

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Robin in nineteen ninety five and Batman forever. One other

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person I want to mention real quick was the role

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of Alicia. I'm no Picasso, but do you like it? Right? Right? Right?

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Speaker 2: That was Jack Napier's girlfriend, okay, played by Jerry Hall,

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who was married to Mick Jagger at the moment, right, okay,

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And so she was a model, she's pretty, she's long

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and leggy.

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Speaker 1: Whatever. One of the people that they looked at for

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the role of Alicia was Patsy Kinset. Don't ring a bell,

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no leith a weapon. Two Riggs's girlfriend, Rika von Hagendas,

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No vandon has it's Dutch.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, South African. Yeah, I thought that was interesting.

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But she chose to do Leith's weapon two instead, I'll

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take it. And then finally, for the role of Carl Grissom,

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they hired Jack Palance. Who else could be Jack Nicholson's boss.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, it's such a fantastic and short performance. I

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love it. You, oh my number one god, you on

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my number one guy.

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Speaker 2: Apparently he was kind of a jerk to Tim Burton

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while on the set. All right, all right, you want

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to flip back to casting for a Dark Knight. Yeah,

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Dark Knight is a little different because we already.

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Speaker 1: Had Batman begins. Yeah, we've got Batman, so we.

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Speaker 2: Already have Christian Bale. We knew we needed the Joker.

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Speaker 1: So here are the people that they talked about possibly

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as the Joker. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you talk to Christopher Nolan, he says, Heath

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Ledger all the way, Okay, the whole time. But the

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names on the paper are interesting enough. We got to

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talk about okay, William Defoe, Steve Carrell, really yes, adri

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and Brody John Jarrett, Don Johnson for the Joker. Okay,

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and back again Robin Williams. Wow for a second shot,

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said the Joker, and still.

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Speaker 1: Didn't get it. I would have loved to have seen it, Yeah,

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but I wouldn't trade it.

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Speaker 2: He had been in Insomnia with Christopher Nolan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So whenever they started casting on this, it

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was actually Heath Ledger who had rejected, but he reached

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out to Christopher Nolan and said, hey, I'm kind of interested.

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Would you mind sitting down and talking to me for

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a little while, And so Christopher Nolan goes over to

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his house. They meet up and they start discussing their

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ideas of what the Joker is supposed to be with

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the right way to do the jokers for this movie,

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and they're seeing totally eye to eye. Go back to

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ripping off nod dealers. No, no, no, no, you you

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complete me. They talked about the character of Alex from

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a Clockwork Orange in the movie, they talked about him

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in the book, and they talked about said visious f authority,

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anarchy kind of style, and sex pistols. Yeah. So the

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Joker in the Dark Night is a special kind of anarchy.

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It's called illegalism. It is premised on the rejection of

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law and the moral standards reflected by law. Illegalists contend

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that both written law and standards of morality perpetuate and

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produced capitalist thought. Which they find oppressive and explosive. And

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that is the philosophy line of the Joker. And the

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nice thing about this, and this is important, I think,

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is they weren't doing a Joker origin story, which is

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what you got in Batman aid and I right. What

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they wanted was for the Joker to come fully formed

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and you see the rise of the Joker, not the

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origin of the Joker, which is perfect. Now, as you mentioned,

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there were several guys considered, but every single one of

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them was afraid to come to this role. You know why,

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Jack Nicholson, Jack freaking Nicholson. That's right, Jack, Jack is dead,

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my friend, you can call me Joker. How are you

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going to fill those shoes? And so what he Fledger

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did was he sat alone in his apartment for a

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month by himself and kept a diary of what he

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thought the thoughts of Joker would be.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about his voice for a second. So you

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have these distinct voice, you know, he Fledgers from Australia. Right,

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there's no trace of that accent, or really any accent.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: There is a clip of Tom Waits, famous singer songwriter,

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appearing I believe on the Dick Cabot show.

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Speaker 3: I have a growing level of popularity throughout the Intercottinelly,

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the United States, Japan, and I travel extensively in Europe

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as well.

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Speaker 1: I have a growing popularity North America. He nails it, right,

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It sounds exactly you like it. It is very similar,

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for sure.

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Speaker 2: And he's got that low kind of it's really odd voice,

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disturbing right.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I want to talk about real

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quick is the Glasgow smile.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think the interesting thing again, we go back

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to that plausibility.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jack Nicholson's joker severed the nerves, they pulled the

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cheeks back, and he's got that permanent smile that's sorry, yeah, yeah, ouch.

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And so it's it's effective, but it's campy. It's kind

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of goofy or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 2: But the Glasgow smile is what somebody would take a

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knife and split your cheeks.

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Speaker 1: And so he's got these scars on his face. You

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know I got this scar? Why? So serious? Yeah? Right,

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tells at least two different stories, yeah, because we don't

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want the origin story and trust him. Yeah, he is

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brain is a bag of cats. There's a intelligence and

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a pureness behind what he is doing that is unwavering.

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We don't have a character arc with the Joker. He's

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the same from beginning to end. We get a character

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arc with Bruce Wayne, Yeah, we get a huge character

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arc with Harvey Dent, Yes, but the Joker is always

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the Joker.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: He is bound by his own philosophy and unwavering in it.

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And all he's trying to do is to get Batman

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to break one rule. That's it. That's his whole goal.

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It's his whole goal. What's that one rule he wants

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him to kill somebody? Have all these rules and you

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think they'll save you. I have one rule? Oh, then

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that's the rule will have to break to know the truth.

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The only sensible way to live in this world is

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without rules.

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Speaker 3: And tonight you're gonna break your own law.

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Speaker 1: I'm considering it.

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Speaker 3: Oh there's only minta life, so you're gonna have to

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play my little game if you want to save.

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Speaker 1: One of them. Yeah. The scene where he goes in

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and he talks to Harvey Dent after killing Rachel Dawes,

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after burning half of his face off, and they're alone together,

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and he knows the hatred that rages in this guy's

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heart it's that moment that you see the brilliance behind

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what he says when he talks about how if they'd

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say on the news that you know, five gang members

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are going to die tonight, nobody cares because that's what

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the rules are. That's what they want you to accept.

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People going to die from a terrorist attack. It's accepted.

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But you talk about killing one tiny little mayor and

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all of that. Everybody was great, Yeah, and then Harvey

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Dent puts the gun to his head and says, you live,

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you die, And he says, now you're talking. It's amazing,

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00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,720
It's awesome. God's so good. He was a part of

469
00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:14,079
the whole process of building the Joker, Like he went

470
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,640
with the costume designer and they looked at pictures of Disco, Zodun,

471
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,000
Karen Stamp and Iggy Pop and some of these other guys,

472
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,039
and they figured out they were like, Okay, let's take

473
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:28,519
away as much as we can from this kind of

474
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:31,839
picture that everybody has of the Joker and see could

475
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,680
he be, you know, the Joker without all this stuff?

476
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,119
And they realized, no, we can't. But it doesn't have

477
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,559
to be the same way that's been presented. Like you

478
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,480
can almost smell him on the movie screen, right. Yeah,

479
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:47,599
he's not the clean, well pressed Jack Nicholson joker who's

480
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,880
got uniform coats for all his hinchman Messi's guy who

481
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,920
looks like he's been sleeping in the same clothes for

482
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,039
the last two months. Yeah he does.

483
00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:59,319
Speaker 2: Heath Ledger applied his own makeup. That's why if you

484
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:02,160
look at his finger, he's got pain oliver his fingers

485
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:02,720
all the time.

486
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

487
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: Again, we go to that plausibility thing, you know, right,

488
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:08,480
you know the interesting thing about the joker or one.

489
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,279
Speaker 1: Of the interesting things.

490
00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: There's so many, but he only says three jokes in

491
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,680
the entire movie. He doesn't laugh a lot like Nicholson

492
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:19,559
laughed the entire movie, which is charming and cool and iconic.

493
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,160
But he only has three jokes in The Dark Knight,

494
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,720
okay at the beginning, but it's a smoke bomb in

495
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,400
the bank. Guy's mouth pulls it and it, you know, fizzles, right,

496
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:32,480
the disappearing pencil.

497
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:33,799
Speaker 1: It's hilarious.

498
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,759
Speaker 2: And then his fake seductive greeting when he comes in

499
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,160
to visit Harvey Dent wearing his nurse's outfit.

500
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,519
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what a fantastic performance. I can't believe

501
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,960
we lost such an incredible actor. I wish we could

502
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,319
see what he would have done.

503
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:59,799
Speaker 2: We just passed the fourteenth anniversary on January twenty second.

504
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

505
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: You know at that scene, let's talk about that scene

506
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,279
for just a second.

507
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: I know we're kind of getting off tracked.

508
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:12,839
Speaker 2: But the disappearing pencil, Yeah, when I saw that in

509
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,119
the theater is such a shock because I didn't know

510
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:15,799
what he was doing.

511
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: He's like, watch this, and I put the pistol down.

512
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,640
That guy comes up to grab him and he.

513
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: And then Pencil through the eyehole kills him, and he ah,

514
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,720
you know it's the joke.

515
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,079
Speaker 1: And you realize, oh my gosh, this guy is a

516
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,839
crazy killer. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead

517
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,359
of the current. I mean, he's nuts and also kind

518
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,000
of a badass.

519
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,519
Speaker 2: And yeah, and then they go to grab him and

520
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,519
he's got a bunch of grenades in his pocket and

521
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,440
he's willing to pull the pin on all of them.

522
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:47,759
Speaker 1: Right.

523
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: But they said in that meeting, he's telling him he

524
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:54,400
wants half, you know, I want half. Yeah, And they

525
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,559
say you're crazy, and he goes, I'm not crazy.

526
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: If you're good at something, never do it for free.

527
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:09,680
You will uh half, I'm not.

528
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 4: No, I'm not.

529
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: Right. In a very stern, instantly serious tone, he says

530
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,039
he wants half, but his desire, unlike Jack, his desire

531
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:28,599
is not for money, and it's not for power. It

532
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:34,160
is to upset the social order through crime. He just

533
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,359
wants to watch the world burn got which we would

534
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,680
be remiss if we didn't talk about Michael Caine as Alfred.

535
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:42,640
Oh my gosh. Now, of course he was in Batman

536
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:46,440
Begins as well, right, yeah, he And there's some interesting

537
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:50,119
casting choices there. We get Liam Neeson as roz Al Ghoul,

538
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,440
who of course he's going to be a mentor, right

539
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,400
Liam Neeson. Of course, of course he's gone on gin.

540
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,640
Oh wait, no, he's a villain. He's a super villain,

541
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,839
right yeah. And then and we've got all of these

542
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,799
other side characters that are played by these brilliant actors.

543
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:10,480
He was pushing hard to get Morton Freeman and pushing

544
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,960
hard to get Michael Kain. And with Michael Kaine, he

545
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,920
sat there and waited while he read the script. A

546
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,480
little bit of pressure. He's like, I'm not trying to

547
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:20,240
pressure you, but I'm just gonna sit here and let

548
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:24,480
you decide. So go ahead, listen. Michael Kane. So I

549
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,519
love Michael Kaine and he is perfect as outfit. Right.

550
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: He gives gravitas to that character. We will talk about

551
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Michael Kaine in just four again this summer. Michael Kaine

552
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,559
was really famous for doing something great and then like

553
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,039
a Paycheck movie. So I can't wait to talk about

554
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:44,240
that Paycheck movie this summer. Yeah, let's talk about Harvey

555
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:44,880
dam for a second.

556
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: Wait. I haven't given up on Michael Kine yet. Okay, sorry,

557
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,160
never sorry, I just had to say that. Go ahead, Neva, Okay.

558
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:57,519
So of course Gary Oldman comes back as Commissioner Gordon again.

559
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:04,079
Greatest actor imaginable, right. I mean if suddenly, right now

560
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:07,480
somebody over here yelled cut and I found out that

561
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,440
I was Gary Oldman the whole time. I wouldn't be surprised.

562
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,680
He's that good. When he got approached, they wanted to

563
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,000
play the villain, and he was like, you know what,

564
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:18,119
I've been the villain a lot. I don't really want

565
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:20,279
to be the villain anymore. Yeah, and talk about the

566
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:24,000
opposite of the villain. He's the straight laced by the book.

567
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: Ultimately, Commissioner Gourdon, Quick, name the actor you play Commissioner

568
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,400
Gourdon Batman eighty nine.

569
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:31,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he did a good job. It's

570
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,640
a heavy guy. I can't remember his name. I don't

571
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,759
know exactly right.

572
00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:39,119
Speaker 2: The Commissioner Gordon is part of that trifecta of Dent,

573
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,160
Wayne and Gordon. Yeah, you got to have that third

574
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,480
piece to make it work in that second movie.

575
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so real quick, before we move off of

576
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:51,920
Heath Ledger the Joker, there's a couple of things I

577
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,119
want to say. Okay, so you know the scenes that

578
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,720
are the terrorist home video scenes that he does right, right,

579
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,519
He's got the guy tied up, right, Heath Ledger. Actually

580
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:04,720
it's Anthony Michael Hall. Yes, one of the He's got

581
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,559
the he's got the guy wearing the hockey pads, right,

582
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,920
that's one of the scenes. And then there's another one

583
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,200
that has Anthony Michael Hall hanging upside down, right. And

584
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,880
Heath Ledger is the one that directed all of those bits.

585
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:19,920
Christopher Nolan showed showed up for the first one and

586
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:24,119
said you got this for the rest of these The interesting.

587
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: Thing, I mean that's that is a huge deal, but

588
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:30,160
there was no second unit for this movie. Christopher Nolan

589
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,319
directed every piece of.

590
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: Din Get Out of Town except except the Heath Ledger

591
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,480
directed scenes. Wow. No, no, my mind is blown. That

592
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,920
is nuts. Can you imagine that? No? What?

593
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

594
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:49,279
Speaker 1: Wow, here's something about Christopher Nolan's director. But I just

595
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:50,880
got to say. I mentioned this when we did our

596
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,200
top ten. Okay, But he's the guy who doesn't look

597
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,720
at the monitor, he doesn't look through the scope. He

598
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,079
puts his face right next to where the camera is,

599
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:03,200
and he the actors because he says, the monitor isn't

600
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,359
a high enough resolution. You're not going to get the

601
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,279
full effect on the monitor. Wow, the sound that I

602
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,559
get from the headphones is compressed. I'm not going to

603
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,759
get the correct sound if I put those headphones on.

604
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,559
So he literally experiences it live as close as he

605
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,599
can to the actors, and he won't zoom shots. He

606
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,920
gets the camera right up in their face to make

607
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,519
it as real and as in their world as he can.

608
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,799
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk briefly about Harvey DNS Harvey Din Go. Okay,

609
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,079
So they cast Aaron Ecker, Yes, he was cast in

610
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,880
February of two thousand and seven. They cast him. Nolan

611
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,880
thought he looked like Robert Redford. Yeah, I thought that

612
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,519
was interesting. Sure, Robert Redford American hero, right, Roy Hodgins, Yeah, yeah,

613
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,559
I mean he's the guy, right, I love Robert Redford.

614
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,160
But here are the names of the people that they

615
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:53,319
thought about. Okay, Mark Ruffalo, Live Schreiber, Hugh Jackman.

616
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: Yes, that's been interesting, but it's Wolverine earlier, right, and

617
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Matt Damon. I could see that too. Yeah, because the

618
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,720
idea with Harvey Dent is the White Knight, right, Yeah,

619
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:10,920
Batman begins, he creates the Batman by dark Knight. He's

620
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,160
already trying to figure out, how can I retire from

621
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,000
this job and live a life that's normal. How can

622
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:22,160
I be with Rachel? Right, that's a big question, and

623
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,480
that's why you get this kind of ultra macho measuring

624
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:29,319
stick thing going on with Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent.

625
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,960
And ultimately he realizes Harvey is the White Knight. He

626
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,839
is the guy who cannot be broken, which is what

627
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:39,400
makes his breaking so monumental.

628
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,039
Speaker 2: We need to talk about the breaking, but before we do,

629
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:45,039
I got one other person I want to talk about. Okay,

630
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,400
we already talked about Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox again

631
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:53,759
huge actor on a minor part.

632
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: Was written for him, which Christopher Nolan said, I don't

633
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,440
normally do this, but I just had it in my

634
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:00,240
head that it had to be him, and so it

635
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,440
was super important. So I was really pretty glad because

636
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,160
he didn't. He didn't just say yes right away. He's

637
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,759
really glad when he showed up. GotY.

638
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:11,679
Speaker 2: So Baman begins in the role of Rachel Dawes. Yes

639
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,119
you have Katie Holmes, Yes, okay, yep.

640
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: She did not return for The Dark Knight. She went

641
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,039
to play with Diane Keaton and Queen Latifa and Matt

642
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:24,519
Money instead. You buying that story? No, what do you

643
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:27,840
think happened? I think that Tom Cruise was a pain

644
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,920
in the butt, yep, because she seems like a nice,

645
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,400
reasonable person. She did a decent job in the role.

646
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,000
She's much better looking than the second Rachel Dawes. Maggie

647
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,119
what's her name, Maggie jillenhlks E. Not an attractive woman. Sorry, Maggie,

648
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,519
no offense to you, just I'm just saying. We talked

649
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:47,199
about this the other day. Here's the problem.

650
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: Katie Holmes looks like she's eternally sixteen. She's supposed to be,

651
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,599
you know, the tough lawyer. Yeah, I could see that,

652
00:34:53,880 --> 00:35:00,320
eh eh, Okay, Maggie Jillenhall maybe a little tougher, still

653
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,119
not you know, she's not the girl that you If

654
00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:05,320
you lose, you lose your mind to turn to a

655
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,039
life of crime and become a super villain. If Maggie

656
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:11,880
Jillenhall breaks up with you or dies, you're like, all right,

657
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,280
well that was tragic, go find somebody else.

658
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so let's talk. Let's talk about that scene. Okay,

659
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,119
because I will say this. I just I feel bad

660
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:24,719
now that I've said something, but I want to say

661
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,880
this as honestly as I can. She sells the moment

662
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,320
that she dies. Yeah, she does. She does. And it's

663
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,840
a short it's a few seconds long, and she sells it,

664
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,239
and she does a great job with it. She's not

665
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,639
a bad actress. She's just to me, not an attractive

666
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,599
person ever at the beauties in the eye of the Beholder.

667
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,119
That's all I want to say about that, Okay. But

668
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,559
Jonathan Nolan talks about the fact that with superhero movies,

669
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,480
you've got this genre that has certain tropes, and you

670
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:56,000
have the audience because of those tropes has expectations. We

671
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,199
think about Spider Man, where he's got to save his

672
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,760
girlfriend and the car of children. Right, well, the villain

673
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,639
thinks that he's got him where one of them has

674
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,159
to die and the other one choose Spider Man. Yeah right,

675
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,599
either this or that, and the superhero always manages to

676
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,519
save both. So Jonathan said it was really easy to

677
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:20,920
kick the legs out from underneath that everybody expected at worst,

678
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,280
at worst, if he didn't save both of them, he

679
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,840
was certainly going to save Rachel, right wrong, Yeah, no,

680
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,039
And by the way, the address that he gives and

681
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,760
this is interesting, the address that he gives Batman, which

682
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,960
is the wrong address Batman's trying to go save Rachel. Yes,

683
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,079
he says, she's at two hundred and fifty fifty second Street. Okay,

684
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:48,119
two five zero five two. It's palindrome, like the two

685
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:52,440
sides of a coin. Interesting. There you go. Interesting. So

686
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,840
she gets blown to bits and Harvey gets his half

687
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,800
his face burned off. Yes, yes, you want to talk

688
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,000
about it now? Do you want to talk about it now?

689
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,039
Or we're going to save it. Let's save it.

690
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: Let's say it all right, Just a couple of the

691
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,840
actresses that we're going to take over for Tom Cruise's

692
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,679
crazy wife, I mean crazy Tom's crazy crazy Tom's wife,

693
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,639
his wife, Sarah, Michelle Geller, Emily Blunt, Rachel McAdams is

694
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:26,239
the Fisher. Okay, yeah, sure, decent actresses, pretty faces. You know,

695
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:30,960
it's interesting that Heath Ledger kissed both Maggie and Jake in.

696
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 5: His brother and sister can discuss who is the best, right,

697
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,760
Oh my gosh, okay, okay, real quick, I want to

698
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,480
throw this out there.

699
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: I can remember going to see In the Dark Knight

700
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,159
at the theater Saw with a couple of buddies of mine,

701
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,159
both who have moved on to great things, but we

702
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,280
went to see the movie together. So hyper intelligent guys.

703
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,599
Right when we get there, as we're handing our ticket,

704
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,920
we say where should we sit to the guy you

705
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,480
know that's taking the tickets. He says, well, if you

706
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:05,960
sit in the back, the seats move. And I'm like,

707
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,599
is this some sort of like virtual experience? What's going on?

708
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:12,159
While he's talking about the bass, like when you get

709
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:14,880
that deep base of Hans Zimmer and all of the

710
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:19,039
most it would the seats vibrated, right, So I'm sitting there,

711
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,280
and I'm watching them with these guys and it gets

712
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,559
to that party scene where the Joker kisses and Bruce

713
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:27,559
Wayne is running to his secret layer, and you remember

714
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,320
if he as he runs through the room, there's this

715
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:35,000
lurtorous old man and this really beautiful young woman. Yeah,

716
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,119
like making out. Yes, and she's like, oh, he's got

717
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:41,559
his panic room, right, and then he leaves them, right?

718
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:43,800
And did he leave us? I went to college with her,

719
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,599
she went to OU with me. Really, name's Jennifer Knox.

720
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:51,519
She is absolutely gorgeous, was then is now and perfect

721
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,519
for the part. But I had no idea that she

722
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:55,920
was in the movie. And we're sitting there watching.

723
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,519
Speaker 6: Him, like I know her.

724
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: Holy cow, I know that girl right there. Really? Yeah,

725
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:00,840
that's awesome.

726
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,159
Speaker 3: Yeah.

727
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of personal connections to the Dark Knight, Yeah,

728
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:08,440
our buddy John Reid, Yeah, who co hosts the podcast Full.

729
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: Of Kryptonite with us. Yes, and he does a thirty

730
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,559
sixth movie podcast. Yep.

731
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,159
Speaker 2: He and I believe Dennis. They were extras during the

732
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:16,920
Mayor assassination scene.

733
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, drove down to Chicago. Yeah, so they live

734
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:20,440
up there.

735
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: And I texted him this week and the code name

736
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:27,840
that the Dark Knight was film under was Rory's first kiss. Yes,

737
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,679
Christopher Nolan has a son named Rory.

738
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,679
Speaker 1: He was kind of a young kid.

739
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, Rory's first kiss. So I asked him, I'm like,

740
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,559
did you know that The Dark Knight was filming and

741
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,920
it was just kind of a cover or how much?

742
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,760
He's like it was a poorly kept secret. Yeah, we

743
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,119
all knew it was Batman.

744
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. They were like guys on the radio going, hey, guys,

745
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,320
you know if anybody still doesn't know, it's not Rory's

746
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,920
first kid. He said that.

747
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: He said that, like that street would shut down and

748
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,440
they would just cover the Batmobile with a sheet. Our buddy,

749
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,519
John Reid.

750
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: Go check out the thirty something Movie podcast and podcast. Yeah, okay.

751
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:08,079
One of the names we somehow bypassed was Christian Bale. Yeah,

752
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,000
kind of an important one. I don't know if you've

753
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:14,760
ever seen him. He was a childhood actor. He did.

754
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,760
He was in Empire of the Son. Yeah, yeah, yes,

755
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,440
he was in Empire of the Son. And he was

756
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,440
in Henry the Fifth, the Kene Browno version as one

757
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,679
of the boys in that end. Wow. I mean he's

758
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,280
been with us for a long time. American psycho. But

759
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,159
I mean his name was not a Wait a minute,

760
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:36,079
you're telling me he was Batman and Bateman what, oh

761
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:41,000
my gosh. Oh yes. So before he got casts, actually

762
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,119
I get. I can't remember whether he would that he

763
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,519
had taken the job yet or not. But before he

764
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:49,519
started filming for Batman Begins, he did a movie called

765
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:52,920
The Machinist. Have you seen it? I have not ever

766
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,920
brought myself to see this. It is a great movie.

767
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:57,639
You may not like it, it may not be your style,

768
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,159
but it is a great movie. But part of what

769
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,159
he did was drop all of like he's he's a

770
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,360
guy who doesn't eat and doesn't sleep, and so he

771
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:10,960
dropped down to I think something like one hundred and

772
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:14,519
twenty pounds, one hundred and twenty pounds. This guy's six

773
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:16,599
foot and he's down to a one hundred and twenty.

774
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,400
He is literally skin and bones, and he's about to

775
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,400
go be a superhero. When you look at the.

776
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: Pictures of him at one hundred and twenty, you can

777
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,679
see the ripcage through his pictorial muscles.

778
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: There's nothing there, nothing there, and he has to go

779
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:35,320
become Batman. So Christopher Nolan says to him, gain as

780
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,320
much weight as you possibly can in the next seat

781
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,280
six months, and so he's just eating all he wants

782
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,280
to and working out, eating and working out, and he

783
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,000
gained a whole lot of weight. He was well above

784
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:49,800
two hundred, to the point that when he showed up,

785
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,400
the crew on the movie went, are we filming Batman

786
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:57,400
or fat Man? Incredible? And so Christopher Nolan was like,

787
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:02,239
oh uh, let's maybe you do some cutting here. So

788
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,119
he dropped twenty pounds from what he had gained himself

789
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,719
up to of fat which is where you get the

790
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,159
guy who can drop to a full standing to drop

791
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,639
push up, and he looks like an action hero.

792
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: He looks like a linebacker, you know. Yeah, and you

793
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:20,800
when you see those pictures of him in the Machinist's

794
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,559
it's amazing.

795
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,519
Speaker 1: It's crazy. That is That's some dedication right there. He

796
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:26,719
had gotten cast. He was the very first guy who

797
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,639
auditioned for the part of Batman Batman begins, but they

798
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:32,159
went through several other people. Yes, one of the guys

799
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,920
that screen tested was Killian Murphy. Yeah, and Christopher Nolan

800
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:40,000
was like, I just his eyes are amazing, his acting

801
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:43,360
is amazing. He's just not right for this part. But

802
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:45,119
I want to cast him, and so that's how he

803
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,360
ends up getting the part of the Scarecrow, which he

804
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,679
comes back in the Dark Night. Small bit, but it's

805
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,519
part of it, right, not my diagnosis, right, yeah, right,

806
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,920
And he's and he's been in like just about every

807
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,880
other Christopher Nolan movie since then. Right, he's an inception.

808
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:09,639
He's I believe in Interstellar. I don't know anyway, he's

809
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,199
He and Christopher Nolan definitely formed a bond, right, Well, you.

810
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,199
Speaker 2: Talked about Heath Ledger auditioned for the part of Bruce Wayne.

811
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so he when they did the screen

812
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,599
tests with him, they filmed it on actual film. They

813
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,199
took they looked at like the Val Kilmer Batman thing

814
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,199
and made their own Batman cowl so that he could look.

815
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:31,920
And one of the actresses that did him a favor

816
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:35,199
to read the part of Rachel Dawes was Amy Adams,

817
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,639
who of course goes on to play Lois Lane in

818
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,960
Man of Steel. A quick story on that one. David

819
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,519
Goyer and Christopher Nolan are working hard on Batman Begins,

820
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,559
and they hit writer's block and they go and they

821
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,199
can't figure out where to go next. The can't figure

822
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,039
out where to go next, and Christopher Nolan's like, okay,

823
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,119
we're just gonna take two weeks off. We're gonna go

824
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,760
do other things. We'll come back to this, okay. And

825
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,000
so David S. Goyer goes home. He's like, okay, you know,

826
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,360
I'm set blocking off my time. I'm going to focus

827
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,320
on this movie for this amount of time. He's working

828
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,760
on other projects too, but as every other writer does,

829
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,199
he procrastinates, and he picks up some comic books. And

830
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,760
the comic books he happens to pick up are Superman

831
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,880
comic books, okay, and he gives them this idea of

832
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,840
a Superman movie. What I can do with that?

833
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 4: Humh.

834
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: And so he writes out a little storyline and he's like,

835
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,760
this might work.

836
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 5: It's my work.

837
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: He goes, but I think Warner Brothers has already got

838
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,679
a Superman movie in the works, a Superman reboot in

839
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,960
the works. So no big deal, just a way to

840
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,079
distract myself. Maybe I could, maybe it'll help me with

841
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:44,599
the Batman. Okay. He comes back. Christopher Nolan's like, okay,

842
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,199
what'd you come up with? He's like nothing, He goes,

843
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:49,119
what did you do for two weeks? He goes, well,

844
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,320
write comic books, and I came up with this story

845
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,639
idea for Superman. Christopher Nolan, who also likes prastinate, he said,

846
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:57,679
tell me his story and he's like, okay, well here

847
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,760
it is. It's kind of you know, allegory to christ

848
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,639
and you know, there are all these factors. And Zod

849
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,599
comes in and Christopher Nolan's like, can I produce this movie? Wow?

850
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,719
And David Skoyer is like, well, of course yeah. And

851
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,599
Christopher Nolan's like, hold on, picks up the phone, calls

852
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,559
Warner Brothers and says, Hey, here's the storyline. I'd like

853
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:21,440
to produce. David's writing it. Here's what the story is.

854
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,400
They can the Superman script that they were working on

855
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,760
and they pick up David s. Koyer's Man Steel.

856
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: Wow.

857
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,159
Speaker 1: That is amazing. That's a great story. Fantastic. Okay, guys,

858
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,559
before we go any further, we were going to take

859
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,000
a quick break and we are going to do our

860
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:40,119
Shirley showcase.

861
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 6: That's right.

862
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: This week we asked our friends from the thirty something

863
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,079
movie podcast, our good buddies, John, Jeff d bo.

864
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: D that's Meg.

865
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,159
Speaker 4: Hi, how you doing John.

866
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: I've been on the podcast before. I think I can

867
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,920
count as a member. I'll be a remember the thirty

868
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,599
something podcast? Now are.

869
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: John, Jeff Pat bow Right?

870
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: And I would like to say this is my favorite

871
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:16,199
eighties and nineties podcast other than our own podcast, of course. Yeah,

872
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,199
these are good buddies.

873
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: And here's what they had to say, Batman eighty nine

874
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:20,280
versus Dark Knight.

875
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 6: We are the guys from the thirty something movie podcast,

876
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,000
and the bat signal went up from our good buddies

877
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:29,280
D and Jason. They set themselves the impossible task of

878
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,079
trying to decide between Batman eighty nine and the Dark Knight.

879
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,000
Then they called us and asked what we thought.

880
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 7: You know, I knew I didn't like those guys. Without

881
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,559
the Joker portrayal in Batman eighty nine, I don't know

882
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,440
that we could have gotten the Joker from Dark Knight.

883
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:50,239
Because Nicholson leaned a little bit more Caesar Romero. It

884
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,159
kind of took that idea of the Joker off the table,

885
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,039
so that when Dark Knight rolled around, they had to

886
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,960
do something different. Now, the tone of the movie probably

887
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:03,519
would have for a more demented Joker anyway, but it

888
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,320
definitely took the clownish part of it out of the equation. Now,

889
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,239
how do you choose between the two movies. I don't know,

890
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:15,079
but I think for me, I think I would have

891
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,480
to say Batman eighty nine Lock it in Spike the Football,

892
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:19,599
as Jason likes to say.

893
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,039
Speaker 8: I mean, both movies are just incredible interpretations on the theme.

894
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,039
I mean, I've got the nostalgia for the eighty nine Batman.

895
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:31,000
That was one of the first adult movies that I

896
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,000
remember going and seeing with my dad in the theater.

897
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:37,400
And you know, Michael Keaton just as amazing as Bruce Wayne,

898
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,079
Jack Nicholson fantastic as the Joker. So you have those

899
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,599
wonderful casts. The music is incredible in eighty nine Batman,

900
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,239
the Danny Elfman score, the Prince A soundtrack, and the vehicles,

901
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,480
I mean, the bat Wing and the Batmobile were awesome,

902
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:56,000
and it had that ethos to it which was just

903
00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:59,079
so refreshing to see. So there's just so many amazing

904
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:03,199
things in that movie that I it would be hard

905
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,239
not to say, Oh, that's the one that I lean towards.

906
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,360
The Chris Nolan Batman. I mean that was like when

907
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,039
those came out, Wow, this is so different, And I

908
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:14,159
think it's because it leans so much into the real

909
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,000
and as awesome as Jack Nicholson's joker is. How do

910
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:18,679
you ignore Heath Ledger's joker?

911
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 6: You narrow down? You have a vote?

912
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,159
Speaker 8: Well, didn't I already give the vote? I'm sorry, it's

913
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:25,039
breaking up, John. Why don't you go to the next person?

914
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:26,599
But I already said my vote.

915
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 7: I'm reviewing the transcript, and no, there's no vote given.

916
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 6: That's what I thought.

917
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 4: You reject your reality and substitutes his own.

918
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 6: There we go, all right, So we have a no

919
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:38,679
vote from pat.

920
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty nine. All the way. It's a classic. It's

921
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,559
quote unquote the original as far as I'm concerned. There's

922
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,840
just so much amazing stuff in there. Nicholson and Keaton

923
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:55,000
are great. Some lines from it that I still use weekly.

924
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,599
It's gotta be eighty nine for me.

925
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 8: This town needs an enema.

926
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,599
Speaker 6: Aesthetically, everything is in Batman eighty nine. That's my favorite batmobile.

927
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,719
Of all of the batmobiles in existence, other than maybe

928
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,440
the sixties TV show, the eighty nine Batman batmobile is

929
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:11,480
my absolute favorite. Actually, I think I have a model

930
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:12,960
of it. Yep, I have a model of it back

931
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,599
here on the shelf. The last thing any of us

932
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,679
had ever seen was the campy sixties Batman, and you

933
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know what you saw in the super Friends cartoon on

934
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Saturday mornings. And then we got to see this Batman,

935
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,679
which was dark and serious, still a little campy left

936
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,480
in there. It was the first one to bring something

937
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:32,119
new like that and really make Batman dark again. And

938
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:35,039
then The Dark Knight. It's an amazing movie. It is

939
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:39,159
a such a different Joker than we get from any

940
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other iteration. All Right, I'm gonna be the sacrilegious one.

941
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,639
I might say The Dark Knight because I'm not taking

942
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:48,199
anything away from Batman eighty nine, because it's just as amazing.

943
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,119
But Heath Ledger's performance is outstanding. I don't know. I

944
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:54,679
think the overall story of The Dark Knight is just

945
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,559
a little bit more compelling to me. There's just the

946
00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:59,360
layers of plot wise, that's I think just more interesting

947
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,440
and more compell as a movie watcher, Jason and d

948
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Hopefully that helps I don't know if that helps you

949
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:08,039
make a decision or if your decision is already made.

950
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:09,760
You've got four other opinions if you want to throw

951
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,920
those into the mix, And so hopefully that helps out, guys.

952
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,239
So We do not envy you the task of having

953
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,239
to make a decision between Batman eight nine and the

954
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,880
Dark Knight. But good luck, and as we always say,

955
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:21,159
I guess be excellent to each other when it's all done.

956
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I agree with Pat on this one.

957
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,599
I'm going to go with Pat's opinion. What he said

958
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,280
is right. Yeah, we got some love from Batman eighty

959
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,440
nine from these guys. Yeah, we got two votes for

960
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:33,679
Batman eighty nine, one vote for the Dark Knight, and

961
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:39,880
one abstain, abstained, abstention, one abstention. Yes, that's all right.

962
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,880
I understand it's a difficult choice. Thanks, guys, we appreciate

963
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,239
you all. Go check out the thirty something movie podcast.

964
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: Okay, that's gonna do it for episode two of Batman

965
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:49,880
Versus Dark Knight.

966
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 9: We're gonna have three parts out of this thing, three

967
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:56,400
at least, and probably it's little secret special episode to

968
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,880
follow everything up when we go and see The bat

969
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,880
Man and find out how great a movie or not

970
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,320
great a movie this is going to be. If you

971
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,880
haven't done it yet, please hit that follow button on

972
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,519
your podcast app. It costs you nothing at all, and

973
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:13,440
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974
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:15,960
to smash that follow button in the face and we

975
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:17,480
will talk to you next week.

976
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,639
Speaker 6: And now photos, it's time for hooting a truck.

977
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: Honey, money, money, Who do you trust.