Speaker 1: And we are back. So two rumors here for you,
very different, maybe controversial, but in both different ways. So
you got Done four, Done three isn't even out yet,
not even filming yet, but there's talks about doing four
because obviously dnievel Nup has said, Hey, after I do
this third Dune movie, I'm done, gonna move on. He
wants to adapt Messiah, then he's gonna move on. But
Warner Brothers also they got doing Prophecy, which I gotta finish.
They did renew it for a second season, so and
they plan making Doune four. So they're all in on
the Dune movies, right, and they there's just it's just
a rumor that Gareth Edwards is the person in line
for Done four. And then the other movie rumor I
have is, uh, there's been talks that Johnny Depp is
gonna come back for Pirates of the Caribbean. This is
funny because last year Jerry Bruckhammer did say in a
public interview public he said they were writing two versions
of a new Pirates movie, one without Johnny and one
with Johnny. And now it feels like maybe they're leaning
towards the other one. So Tea how do you feel
about a Dune fourth Gareth Edwards? And then after that,
how do you feel about a returning Johnny Depp to
a new Pirates film?
Speaker 2: Gareth Edwards, so potentially getting Doune four. I was talking
about this the discord. I feel like if he does
get it, it would probably right on the success of Rebirth.
I feel like it's Colin Tivarro situation. Yeah, like, if
if you're checking out this guy's resume and you want
to put him on your project, you want to know
how his latest film is gonna do. And if this
latest film doesn't do good, well, there's that. But I
think if this movie does make a billion dollars, then yeah,
they're gonna sign him up pretty freaking quick onto Doune four.
And I think that's great. He's got There's there's scale,
and I feel like Gareth Edwards totally lands the sense
of scale in his movies, especially with Godzilla Holy Smokes.
So I think if you can transfer that to Dune,
which Dune is all about scale with the sandworms and
everything like that. I don't know what the story is
supposed to be like when we get to Dune four,
because I have not read those books, so it's.
Speaker 1: Apparently gets fucking wild, like very weird.
Speaker 2: Okay, and then Gareth Edwards he can do weird. He
absolutely can do weird, so I think he can after
Rebirth with the weird dinosaurs. That's that'll be pretty weird.
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think it's more trippy weird,
not just like Clones.
Speaker 2: I think it's very trippy weird, like.
Speaker 1: Like you're taking mushrooms, like a psychedelic trippy weird.
Speaker 2: Okay of weird. Yeah, interesting. Well, yeah, I still think
he'd he'd be great at it and can tackle it,
but I'll have to wait and see what he actually
does or if he even gets hired on. So I
guess I'll have to wait and see. ENO have to
watch Dassic World re Birth first. As for Johnny Depp,
I remember us talking and it just seemed like, okay,
Johnny Depp is, he's out, he's out, Norman, there's no
way this guy is coming back. And it was like
another Pirate sequel of some kind without him, and then
Margo Robbie getting her own prequel, Pirates New Era kind
of still.
Speaker 1: A prequel, but yeah, they pitched to make one, but
then she did say that her and Disney could not agree,
Like she said it in a nice, I think, diplomatic manner,
but it kind of just sound like they could not
agree on the vision of.
Speaker 2: It, so she refused to replace Johnny Depp.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's it. Maybe it's the reverse where
they said, you got to make it with Johnny right,
and like, I hope they got a good plan, because
turning Margot Robbie down after a billion dollar Barbie, it's like, well,
I don't know if that's like I don't think that's
a spark business move, But I guess Johnny Depp might
be the ax of the hole. Do you think that.
Speaker 2: He's Johnny Depp is Jack Sparrow, Like he's just it's amazing.
It's like peanut, butter and jam. It just goes together.
I think that if you do pull this off, and
you do get Johnny Depp back as Jack Sparrow in
another movie, I hope it kind of continues off. It
doesn't have to be a direct sequel to the last one,
but just give us another adventure that's like post that
last one. But you gotta you gotta make the CGI
better like that Curse the Black Pearl CGI. Uh, what
was the second one called dead Man's Chest. Yeah, and
at World's End, like that trilogy, that CGI, it was incredible,
absolutely incredible for the time and now when you absolutely
and so when you get to dead Men Tell No Tales,
it's like, well, the CGI in here is so vibrant
and saturated and just looks it doesn't look real. The
best part is just the practicality of seeing the real
ships just sailing around. But I think that, yeah, I
just I think that if they're going to do it
and get Johnny Depp back, then they need to touch
base on that old school humor because in Dedmontell No
Tales that he worked for me, but there was just
a lot of the Johnny Depp stuff that wasn't driving
with me also, and it's unfortunate because he just feels
like a very different Captain Jack Sparrow than the Captain
Jack Sparrow we got in that first trilogy. And I
think you need to kind of touch base on some
of that humor. Don't make it that forced stuff anymore,
but just like it's scary but serious. Where here an
example that first one, Chris the Black Pearl Norrington is like, oh,
Jack Sparrow, and he's like, should be a captain in
there somewhere, and then he just immediately throws his shackles
around Elizabeth Swan's like neck, and it's just like asking
for his effects and stuff like that, and then he
just gets out of there and a very comedic escape
and whatnot. Like there's just really really good writing involved
with that, and so I hope that this next one
would have that and they really make the character serious
and then comedic. We don't need him to be having
his whole backstory or anything like that anymore, like we
got with dem and Tell No Tales. As much as
I like that scene in the score, cool, but we
don't need to get into that with Jack. We know
Jack very well. We've had him for many years now.
So just give us an adventure of him just finding
some new treasure and something happens to cross in his path.
It complicates things. Not Barbosa's daughter, that was a weird complication,
but something else that's just opportune as they child his child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you have him lead it then? Hmmm? Or
is it better do a force awakens him? The Han
solo role.
Speaker 2: In the Han Solo role, I I Dead Men Tell
Our Dead. De Man's just is my favorite, and I
really like it because it's like, oh, everyone is here
looking for Jack Sparrow trying to find him.
Speaker 1: Right, is that that movie is that World's End when
he's dead, they're looking for.
Speaker 2: Him the dead and well they're always looking for him, right,
And this one is like, Okay, we need to find
him because he's got the compass. Yeah, well they all
need the compass and even Davy Jones is looking for him.
But yeah, even then the first one, they're trying to
track him down and work with him. So I like
that he knows something, and each of these movies he
he knows something. He knows, oh he need the key
to kill, get the heart whatever. And the first one
is like, well, I know that your Bill Turner's son,
and I know about the curse and all this kind
of stuff, the coins. So he's always got a trick
up his sleeve, and I feel like that trick was
gone when we got to the last one. The last
one was him just running for because he was afraid
and he kept getting thrown into these random situations and
he didn't have control, not that he has much control
in all of these movies, but he has a slight
degree of control over his own path and his adventure,
and I miss that. It's just it's a different type
of Jack Sparrow, and I hope that they recapture that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you remember that last one so well if
I've still never gone back to it. So take everything, well,
not everything, okay, I guess like talk about right, obviously,
lots of stuff with now with Johnny and we cover
all that when we like he was in the Harry
Potter franchise and they've ousted him there, right, and they said,
oh that Johnny's out of Pirates, and even Johnny's like,
I've never doing another Pirates. All this stuff, right, we
live at a very different time now. I think it
has a lot to do with you know, I'm not
trying to get too political, sorry American listeners, but once
that guy got back in office, I feel like all
bets were off, like look good for me. It's just personally,
look at all this bad shit that happened in the
four years he wasn't in office, this guy was doing
and then he was elected. To me, it feels like
definitely in Hollywood, like how Disney, I'm not sure if
you saw this. They're like taking off those like warnings
before their movies on Disney Plus. Yeah, So there whether
people want to say it's a regress regression, whether people
want to say it's just being less cautious or just
trying to be less political, there's definitely a shift with people,
and you can make an argument. I definitely can see
that where there's maybe an over correction of people wanting
to do better and have representation and do diverse things,
but maybe going too far or using the wrong sort
of situations or the wrong It's a hard thing to
say delicately on like it just like a fun GEK
news guys, right, this would be like a longer conversation.
But I think there was a fact of Okay, is
there too much going on? Right? There are too much
for even for stuff being people being canceled. Is it
things that like what's an offense that you could go
to prison versus what is you know, being canceled saying
something bad? A bad tweets something like that? Right, Like
look James Gunn right where I don't know if that
would happen nowadays. So for me, I think the world
is take out what I feel about depth right, because
for me, that just feels like that was a whole
messy situation, bad relationship. I don't know which way to
go from it. I understand why studios part of ways
of them, right, because they just don't want to deal
with at that time times past people like most time
forget right, there's tons of people, tons of celebrities that
we watch and companies we support that have done terrible things,
employed and terrible people. Not saying depth, just saying in
general right from what he came back act from. So
I think there might be enough time now. I don't
know if I necessarily needed. I do want a Pirates movie.
I think Pirates that first, actually all of them. I
first one I think is the best. But I love
the whole trilogy, and know some people don't. I love
the whole trilogy. But to me like the Pirates trilogy
that first, a little bit, the second, but really that
first Mummy with Brendan Frasier, the first three Indiana Jones,
there's like a perfect sense of adventure, drama, comedy, romance,
Like it's one of those like this movie has everything
and does it well, which is very tough to do.
And that's why I think the Pirates sequels were hard.
I think that's why the Mummy sequels weren't as good.
Awesoutly we saw Indiana Jones four and five. I like five,
but I don't think it captures the same as the
original trilogy, and it's not trying to so Pirates. It's
very tough, and they did not do that with five
or four and five. And for me, it's also just
like do people care in general? Because this is what
I brought up, where the chart where you have these
are the Pirates movies, right, and this is all with
depth where Black Curl prokem out that's the first one, right,
and then Dedman's chests huge, But then World's End that
gets a bit lower, Stranger Tides that gets lower, and
then Demon Tails that goes lower. It's on decline. That
original triloury obviously very profitable, right, like the movies, like
what are they here? Let's see, let's do that. So
we have two billion dollar movies and then you have
is this at World's end? I'm guessing yeah, it is
at World's end? Oh I hate that.
Speaker 2: No Stranger Tides made a billion it did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the fourth one half that was number four.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, that was also what one of the
most expensive movies of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot yeah production about you look
at that almost four hundred million dollars, right, Sol's a
lot of money. But for me, that's the thing where
even then, like I don't know, looking at this, they're
they're lowest one, not counting Black Pearl because that's the
first one, their lowest one being this and it's almost
an eight hundred. That's still a massive hit, so you
know what, like it's still going down. But my point
is like do people care? But then it's the reverse
of you might hit the perfect nostalgia point that people,
oh I'd love to see joined Depp as Jack Sparrow
take out everything with the humor event vet. For me,
giant Depp as Jack Sparrow was a peanut, butter and
jam until the expiration date ran out, and for me,
on Deman's Chest or or not not on train your
ties and then demon tell will no tails. They should
have never had two movies where they were dead in them. Okay,
but either way, I saw the the decline of Jack
Sparrow and joined up playing him where there's a magic
in the first trilogy with Jack Sparrow and Giant Depp.
Those last two they they don't have it, and I do.
I think he has it now after so much time
has passed and everything that's happened, does he have it?
I would, and I think he's acting less. I would
say he probably doesn't, but maybe played a different way.
I do like your pitch where even not even on soul,
like make him how Luke Skywalker he has to be
in the first one, but forced awakens. That's also like
a fine Luke Skywalker movie.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Also, he doesn't appear to the end. I would say
a mixture of that where I think you get new characters.
I'm not joking when I do think you could have
like the son of Jack Sparrow looking for his dad.
I think you easily could do that. I'm not saying
that's what I want, but like what Graham mcguffin and
I think too, if if depth you can get them
on board and everything like that, and you come to
terms and if everyone else is what I would do
to be safe is I would do the Force awakens
round and I try and get everybody back. I know,
I think you're nice, says she never wants to do
to the pirate movie again, so maybe you just kill
her off or something like that. But and I suppose
is right. Didn't those pirate movies also get a lot
of box off from China? And that is true, And
that's not the same anymore. China does not support North
American films as much as they used to because they
got their own thing like that Niza Too, biggest animated
movie all time, almost two billion dollars, and they've pretty much
just done that in China. Like it's like they're supporting
their movies more than our movies now, right, So I
suppose right. And that's the thing, like everything's changed, the
dynamic of theaters. Uh, theatrical runs everything right, production budgets
all this stuff. But that's what I do to be safe,
is not only get debt back, get as many people back,
Get Bloom back for like a large role, not that
he wasn't dead man tails. Get the fact that in
five four and five they got rid of the crew
like everybody else, like that was a mistake, Like I
would go full.
Speaker 2: Have Scars Garden there. You know that's the bad Oh
you meant that, I thought you meant the Dutchman.
Speaker 1: Both, you know, the Black Pearl Crew. Yeah, I meant,
I meant them like they had such good chemistry and
everything like that. Like to me, that's what I would do.
And then yeah, my excitement, I will see it. We
would definitely retro it. I would throw out, you know whatever,
because like I said, I don't know how to feel
about Johnny Debt because like I'm on the room and
he had one trial where he was guilty and one
where he is innocent. So that's a very tough situation
to call down the line, right, just have to separate
there from the artist. I think I was more excited
of let's do Privates Caribbean new and get us on
a new whether it was Margo's one or something else.
I was much more in that idea of give me
a new Pirates, but completely new characters, so we don't
have to have some of this baggage. Not Johnny Depp,
just that character. Right, But maybe there is a way
and we'll find out. And uh, but that's what we
can ask you because we talk about little bit. Do
you think put anything aside? Do you think it is success?
Speaker 2: Okay, because when did Devintell and Tales come.
Speaker 1: Out twenty seventeen, so we're almost ten years.
Speaker 2: Almost ten years. Crazy fuck that is crazy, Jesus Christ.
I think it has absolutely got a shot to be successful.
I really really do. I think it's been a while
and I think if that people are going to see
that trailer, and I think if they do it well
and Johnny Depp and they do get like bloom Back
and Nightly, then I think, Okay, yeah, this is this
is tapping all the right notes here. Let's let's get
into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Offuly, we have to see what the budget
is because if it's massive against okay, that's hard to
be a success. But I think if it's kept relatively
you know, medium to big, it can be a success.
I think it would be a bigger success if you
get everyone back. But I really think what it depends
on is that first trailer you may have talked about
where I don't think it'd be that hype, but you
gotta make it Force Awakens esque where you got to
really capitalize And I'm not saying Piot's Caribbean Star Wars,
don't get me wrong, but you really gotta make it
have an aura to me of like like that theme
comes in a little slow, a big epic version of it.
It ends with you kind of see Jack Sparrow, but
you don't. You can say that for other teasers and
stuff down the line, like I think, like almost the
playbook they did with Deadpool will Raine how they brought
Jackman back right like kind of that playbook. So I
think I lean towards yes. But at the same time, nowadays,
if you were telling me, oh, that movie comes out
and it just bombs and no one cares, I wouldn't
be surprised because I thought, because maybeople were just down
with pirates the same way people were done in Any
of Jones. Right, the world didn't want another Any of
Jones because it still was reviewed like fine, it wasn't
like worst movies ever. It was still like people were
middling on it. But still that box off the showed, oh,
people don't want that, and Disney thought that was gonna
be a big hit, and that could be the same thing.
Oh we got Johnny Depp back as Jack Sparrow. You
guys remember him, and maybe this generations like I didn't
grow up with those those movies like fuck it, Like
Jack sparad I think is way more real relevant to
our generation than Indie because that's a whole generation above us.
But still by the time they start making this movie
and everything, like me and my moments talking about this,
like in a couple of years when it's ten, you know,
she didn't fucking grow with Jack Sparrow. So that's the
thing where it's like we did in a couple of
generations or ages underested. Like I'm sure s bubs if
you're still in the chat, like were you did your
family make you go see the Privates movie? Where you
did see that? But that's I mean, like we're starting
to get generations now, where are they gonna be like, yeah,
I don't care about the Pirate movie, Like I don't
who's Johnny Depp? You know, like people don't like my
sister didn't know who ac DC was. You know, Like
we're a getting that point now where yeah, so uh
and finally I didn't even talk about done things. I'm
mixed on that. I think I see what they're going for.
I think they want to keep the visual aesthetic and
Gareth Edwards can do that. He can create spectacle cole,
he can create great, big sets and moments. For me,
it's just and as much as I like, I've always
liked his stuff, Like in the seven Range, Rogue one,
I overall like liked, but think it's very overrated. Godzilla
I liked that, had some problems creator I liked more
than other people, but still love the potential Jurassic rebirth.
We're gonna have to see. But to me, like before
Villeneuve even did What's the Pickle Dune, he did Prisoners,
he did Blade Round twenty forty nine, he did Sacario,
these movies that are like he did fucking Arrival, like
he did Multiple I'm like, I could argue this is
the best movie of the year or that decade. Edwards
hasn't done that, and it's hard, right, And I agree
with Mike. We talked about this discord where I actually
think matt Reeves would be perfect, but matt Reeves takes
long enough to get the Batman. It's kind of scary
that we're gonna get that bat We're gonna get the
Dune trilogy before Dune like Batman two, which is scary,
but I think that's a hard thing. Like Dannieville, Neuve
is like a Nolan type where those directors don't grow
on trees, right, But I think what you do is
if they're talking about this right now, one, like you said,
you definitely wait for Drastic War, like you just wait
and see how that goes. And then two you also
wait for doing three because what if that's like mixed
or what if after that they're like, hey, you know,
we're good with this, we don't need it anymore after
Danneville nuve because I think Done four like focuses, like
I think there's a time jump and it's like a
lot of new characters. I think it's more like Force
Awakens esque right where it's like in the world characters,
you know, but it's years later and it's way more trippy,
and maybe people don't want that. So it's like to me,
it's like, let's and again these are just rumors. Clearly
they're talking to people. I get it. But I would
just wait till Dooing three and then go from there.
And I think, and even my point is wait till
doing three because then maybe there's other directors that might
emerge that you're like, oh, this person, this person. I
think Edwards is a great we want to keep the
franchise going pick, but I don't think we'd get anywhere
near the done quality with chick our artic gole in
the which is already the most controversial Episode'm not gonna
say it, Patrons, you got nice and early in Mad
Free so hereal s bubs. I think I've only ever
seen the first Pirates movie, like one time. I did
have a lot of Pirates lego though, So this man
a couple of years ago, you know, past couple of
years graduate high school. So this thing where it's like
he's already like I think I've seen one. So it's
like then the generation by ten, this movie like Pirates, what,
let's say it starts filming next year. That's gonna be
like out twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know Glory watched them or well we
watched the one you did watch and then watch the
other ones, s bubs. Because it's a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder how they'd hold up. I do think
it sucks they went me in the theater, because I
think those are great big theater movies.
Speaker 2: But well, I guess what's playing at Bernie's dead Man's chest?
Speaker 1: Really? And they did they do the other Pirates?
Speaker 2: I didn't see that once I was I was curious
and I was looking. I was like, well, let's I
want to take movie Madison to a movie next weekend.
I was just scoping out what Bernie's had, and so yeah,
that's playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be a fucking good one. Man spos. If
you're gonna watch it, skip ahead or just mute for
two minutes, or if you don't care. But man, I've
always said, one of the greatest reveals ever is fucking
then the dead Man's chess Man, like those boots coming
down and just like, tell me now, what has Shack
done on my shit double my ship? Yeah? Oh my god?
That and that's I think that's why, I mean almost
to made a lot of billion because like I remember
the kid leaning that movie or like a younger, I
think his middle school going in high school just like
the theater is like holy shit, like like and I
don't even know because I was on the internet, if
that was spoiled beforehand, if everyone knew Jeffrey Rush was
in these movies because they were filming back to back,
so I'm sure it was. But someone that didn't know,
I'm like, fuck, man, that was That's one of the
best movie reveals ever. In a clipping, or it is
just top not the score. I'm gonna watch that scene
after this. But let's take our last break and then
we'll get into her last topics. We'll be right back,
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