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<v Speaker 1>What is up, fellasickos, I am Dan Valley coming at

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<v Speaker 1>you with mister Moore Jansen of the NBA podcast, fame

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<v Speaker 1>of Yahoo's Boards, fame of HBO Max fame of course

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<v Speaker 1>only fans celebrity quick your next team more?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Obviously we have to coach to the Sacramento

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<v Speaker 2>Kings because their needs are vast many. I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even want to key in on something. They just have.

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<v Speaker 2>They have need everywhere. This is an organization that that

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<v Speaker 2>probably just needs to start over, frankly, So take your pick, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>Like where do we even feel comfortable? Look, I love

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<v Speaker 2>the Darius Acuff selection, but even him, like he's got

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<v Speaker 2>a need need for to be able to play defense,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's not something he does a whole bunch. Like

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a single player on this team where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, nailed it at this point, even though again

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<v Speaker 2>love a cup, just no, just needs everywhere. There's not

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<v Speaker 2>a position I feel comfortable with. There's not a skill

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<v Speaker 2>set I feel comfortable with. There's not a uh a

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<v Speaker 2>spot on the floor where I just go, oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they got this covered, like from the three point line

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Like, No, this just I do not trust

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<v Speaker 2>this team as far as I can throw it, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's because they have needs up the wazoo. So just

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<v Speaker 2>take your pick in terms of like what you think

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<v Speaker 2>Dan is like the most pressing one. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go all over on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, like a single identifiable need. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about that, my notes are kind of all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place. Could you, like, what is the overarching

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy of this roster? Or even because you could say

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<v Speaker 1>chartered exist, what did.

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<v Speaker 2>You say to exist?

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<v Speaker 1>That's just philosophy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's because there's no logic here. There's no philosophy. There's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely no thing going on on. This roster is just

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<v Speaker 2>cashing checks, getting up shots, going home. It's this is

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<v Speaker 2>the most ridiculous roster construction in the NBA currently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look, I still like Keegan Murray and you did

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<v Speaker 1>just draft a cuffs I think you could point to

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<v Speaker 1>and say you can't guarantee their pillars. But then like,

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<v Speaker 1>I still I really liked and Ee Clifford coming into

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<v Speaker 1>his rookie season was a little bit disappointed me. They

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<v Speaker 1>found like getting what they did out of Dylan Cardwell

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<v Speaker 1>or Maxim Reno last year. Those were nice fines for them,

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<v Speaker 1>but you are right, there's the only shot they have

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<v Speaker 1>at a higher end, long term cornerstone right now. As

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<v Speaker 1>much as I still believe a health and Keegan Murray

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<v Speaker 1>can kill it, it is a cuff. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't big on him or Flemings necessarily coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of the draft. And I know a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>they're already getting on me about my Flemings take there.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see how pans out. I'm assuming he'll at

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<v Speaker 1>least have a cuff. I'm talking about a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>license on this team, but they are pretty Zach Lvine's here,

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<v Speaker 1>Maligue Monk is here. At least a martyro And is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this team is They're the quintessential. I wish that

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<v Speaker 1>we were doing this a little later on because there

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<v Speaker 1>has to be like more stuff to come from. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's just, oh, we're gonna wave to Martin Rosen, then

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna stretch that salary and that's the big move

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<v Speaker 1>of the summer would be wildly disappointing here.

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed, Do we even have more to say? Can we skip?

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<v Speaker 1>Can't skip them? That'd be rude. Let's go too, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we can make it.

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<v Speaker 2>Move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, let's go to Let's go to Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're interesting because at the end of the season

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Tenzer and John Wallace had come out and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that they need defense, athleticism, and ball handling.

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<v Speaker 1>They have since added Trayvon Brazil the number thirty five pick,

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<v Speaker 1>Bryce Hopkins the number forty nine pick, re signed Tyas Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>and then signed Marvin Beckley the third. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>which of those needs were dressed with any of those

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<v Speaker 1>those moves. I think Brazil in theory, okay, there's athleticism

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe some stretch or some defense if he's blocking shots.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of this hinges on what's gonna happen with

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<v Speaker 1>Peyton Watson. So what do they need? They need a

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<v Speaker 1>resolution to the Peyton Watson situation, But beyond that, it's

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<v Speaker 1>what else do they like? You look, what is the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger need, the biggest the single when you're because I

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<v Speaker 1>was going back and forth between, you could say it's defense.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you look at their core lineups, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>we assume Peyton Watson is back, they should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to game it correctly. I found myself gravitating towards ball handling.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about shooting because they lost Tim Hardaway Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ultimately not shooting because I think that Nicola jokicch

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<v Speaker 1>will just give you and Jamal Murray by virtue of

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<v Speaker 1>having them both. That's a top three offense is basically

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<v Speaker 1>or four at this point. So is it? Is it athleticism?

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<v Speaker 1>But is that a weird thing to say when Peyton

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<v Speaker 1>Watson might be back and you still have.

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<v Speaker 2>Christian gravit guy? That's one guy. Frankly, I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is the team that should complete a deal with Memphis

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<v Speaker 2>because Memphis, as we saw, like twenty players on the

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<v Speaker 2>contract currently, like they need.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take the over on that, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Kidding, no, But like it's Cam Johnson, right, like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three million. Can you go to Memphis and say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you get an expiring Cam Johnson at twenty three million,

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<v Speaker 2>will solve your roster crunch? Just give us debt? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you want from me? Because you're you're making

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<v Speaker 1>your I think Cam Johnson is really important to this team.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially free but like then okay, then Christian Brown, but

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<v Speaker 2>like then you're gonna have to commensate them, because you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're asking them to take on future money.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. That is so so I get well, so I

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<v Speaker 1>would need to see, like what are you propose Cam

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson for? Who? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so let's let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see could you get a spencer? And like is

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Wells that's the prices that's not enough to get down.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have twenty three if you want to look

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<v Speaker 2>like you're going into a candy shopping you have twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three millions to burn basically here and you need to

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<v Speaker 2>align that so like you're not gonna get sack Ey

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<v Speaker 2>sent a coward with some of those guys, Chris Murray

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<v Speaker 2>you can probably get right, you should be able.

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<v Speaker 1>Boody want well, I mean why would you? I guess

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<v Speaker 1>to save money?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I'm look, this is a way to get some

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<v Speaker 2>depth onto the roster. And I guess what can they do?

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<v Speaker 2>They they're so expensive. They have like Jokic and Murray

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<v Speaker 2>earning fifty plus. Then you have Aaron Gordon checking in

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<v Speaker 2>at fordy plus, you have Cam Johnson at twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>you have Christian Brown at twenty one. If them research

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<v Speaker 2>and oh yeah, you've got to resign Peyton Watson too,

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<v Speaker 2>so like, at some point, something's got to give, like

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<v Speaker 2>if there's if there is a package to be found,

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<v Speaker 2>it has to be with a team that is just

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<v Speaker 2>completely overstocked with on contract unmovable contracts. Like No, though,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think Chris Murky can even be aggregated right now.

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<v Speaker 1>No, right, Memphis did not acquire him with cap space,

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<v Speaker 1>so probably not unless they I mean, he could be

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<v Speaker 1>before the season, he could be aggregated again, So.

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<v Speaker 2>That okay, all right, fair enough?

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<v Speaker 1>But like, so would you do something that is Memphis

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<v Speaker 1>doing because this doesn't solve their bodies problem. If anything,

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<v Speaker 1>it might make it worse. But are you doing Cam

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson Christian Brown and then getting off the Zekenology deal

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<v Speaker 1>and in exchange you get Cam Spencer and KCP? Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>can Gigi Jackson come back in that deal? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>need to your swap if you're denver? Is this my asking? Too?

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<v Speaker 1>Much of it depends on I have no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Brown's tree value would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, No, that's that's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>I do assume it's low, though otherwise I feel as

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<v Speaker 1>if he wouldn't be on the team right now in

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<v Speaker 1>real line, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree, but like that my point larger point is this

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of the type of deal Denver has to

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<v Speaker 2>go look for because this is not a deep team.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's not and that's a problem if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to compete for a championship. What I have, which I

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<v Speaker 2>have to assume is still the priority when you have

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<v Speaker 2>Nicola freaking Jokic on your team. Who's in this prime?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because so if they run back the thing I

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<v Speaker 1>don't buy. I'm assuming was it you were Grant I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to about this post the report from the Steinline

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<v Speaker 1>that they're not necessarily under a mandate to shed salary.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a I would be pleasantly surprised if that

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<v Speaker 1>were the case, if they decide not to shed salary.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have a hard time believing that after getting

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<v Speaker 1>bounced in the first round, they're going to go into

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<v Speaker 1>the second apron to keep the same team. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I have a hard time believe, for argument's sake, if

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<v Speaker 1>they keep the same team. So you're bringing back Peyton Watson,

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<v Speaker 1>You're bringing back Spencer Jones. How many trustworthy players deep

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<v Speaker 1>does this rotation go? There's the starting five plus Peyton Watson,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you want to at Christian Brown, the starting

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<v Speaker 1>five place Christian Brown. That gives you six. I'd probably

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<v Speaker 1>be wanting to throw the you know, the the jump

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<v Speaker 1>more than I thought it would. I'd be willing to

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<v Speaker 1>throw Spencer Jones in there. But I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>Tias is in a circle of trust anyway, Like he

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<v Speaker 1>has not been good, good enough, not after the year

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<v Speaker 1>before last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought he was a little underrated that year.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why they're skepticism. I was found out on him.

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<v Speaker 2>I am now because Jesus the type of year he

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<v Speaker 2>just had. No but there's not a lot of trust.

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<v Speaker 2>That's and that's why, like you need to have more

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<v Speaker 2>bites of the apple, and this is probably the only

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<v Speaker 2>way that you get it.

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<v Speaker 1>What is also fascinating is seven of their eight most

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<v Speaker 1>used Nicole jokicch lineups last year were underwater defensively, only

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<v Speaker 1>two of them ranked higher than the thirty fourth percentile.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe a healthy Aaron Gordon kind of solves that. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know, you, Like, I just I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how they go about getting like better on a higher

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<v Speaker 1>end because they're so assets strapped and also the players

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<v Speaker 1>you would need to move to do it. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>deal would be to me if in a perfect world

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<v Speaker 1>you're moving Christian Brown and or Zeke Nausey and attaching

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<v Speaker 1>someone or something to get better, but they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the assets to do that. We're talking about can you

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<v Speaker 1>attach Cam Johnson to that, in which case that becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a functional sacrifice. And also you're moving a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>money at once. That's what they're in. Just such a

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<v Speaker 1>tough spot and even trying to go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>acquire depth at this point, I don't like, is Zeke

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<v Speaker 1>Naugy plus a swap getting you anything? I don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>That's and that's assuming they're willing to just foot the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>For this roster, right. No, so yeah, I guess I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Boil it down to a single biggest need. I'm gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>why do I want to go? Do I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say ball handling, ball hangling?

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<v Speaker 1>could talk me into athleticism just with Aaron Gordon getting older,

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<v Speaker 2>need that I have there is guards question mark. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't We don't know about Kyrie. It's basically the

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you go here? Like who is going to

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think that player would be on the roster.

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<v Speaker 1>Brendan Williams is unsigned right now, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>I still have their biggest need, I have guard creation

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<v Speaker 1>and also shooting. Just they were the non Cooper Flag

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<v Speaker 1>the eighth percentile of it. Getting Kyrie back helps, But

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<v Speaker 1>I think even right now you mentioned Sergio de la Area,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot on his shoulders then, or Marcus Sasser.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like if this team, let's they're fine because

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<v Speaker 1>Naji Marshall can get downhill, Kyrie Irving's coming back. We

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<v Speaker 1>know Cooper Flag can get downhill. Just even with Klay

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is I don't know if that this

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<v Speaker 1>facto for or the default four?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah, agreed, agreed, I roster construction is a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe their need is a roster construction symmetry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they have because who is there? You

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<v Speaker 1>have Kyrie and I really do like Max Christie, but

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<v Speaker 1>the confidence level in guards kind of drops off there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, I mean actually the guards in general just

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<v Speaker 1>after Kyrie Irving and Max Christy Sasser. Klay Thompson even

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<v Speaker 1>defensively is more of a forward at this point. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's nemhard Dala ree. Yeah, it's the roster construction is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I found myself asking this is a question that I

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like Sanci at the three.

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<v Speaker 1>He shouldn't be there, but did they acquire him to

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they're not confident in Derek Lively's health, which is fair.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right and nobody. You're right because they acquired him.

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<v Speaker 2>P J is still there. You're you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>play the She's there, Maurice Johnson, they drafted. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>think do you want to be an interesting trade?

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<v Speaker 1>Not like at least a framework Naji Marshall for Sam Hauser.

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<v Speaker 1>Boston needs rim pressure and I think Dallas needs another

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<v Speaker 1>guy who could really sling it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean you're not swing positional need out right,

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, I hear what you're saying. That could be interesting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't hate that. You're still not the playmaking.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but the question is is how one? Because you

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<v Speaker 1>don't control they do have first round equity, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, they do have picks to trade. But should

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<v Speaker 1>you be trading picks at this stage either like whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's your own which you don't control again in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one or other teams is probably not? And so

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<v Speaker 1>how do you go? I am with like messi U

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry said, and I think a lot of people. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see Cooper Flag and Kyrie Irving together to

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<v Speaker 1>see what it looks like. But the variable there isn't

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<v Speaker 1>what we see it. It's just what does Kyrie Irving

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<v Speaker 1>look like at his age coming off an ACL injury?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yeah, exactly. So lots of questions about Dallas at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, just.

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<v Speaker 1>Going through the comments really quick to see if I

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<v Speaker 1>missed anything that would be what is Jamal Murray for?

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<v Speaker 1>If not for ball handling on the Nuggets? I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I get that, but did we look at how many

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<v Speaker 1>ball handlers the Spurs had to get to the finals.

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<v Speaker 1>Look how many ball handlers? Okay, see has even Nicks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just looking at the higher end teams from last season.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a ton of Josh Hart or mckail maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>the highest level passers, but mckel bridges Josh Hart, like

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<v Speaker 1>they just have the really good these three guys. Towns

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<v Speaker 1>Is as.

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<v Speaker 2>A ball, I mean, for for a center, He's extremely

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<v Speaker 2>fluid with the ball, Like, let's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah fair, So I you just you need more than

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<v Speaker 1>Jamal Murray and I think Nicole Yokichen, yes, Sage. Kyrie

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<v Speaker 1>isn't done. I mean, I'm open to that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it would take to get because people just

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<v Speaker 1>said they should trade Kyrie Irving because of the need.

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<v Speaker 1>He feels like we've just spent a ton of time

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<v Speaker 1>talking about and then I don't even know what his

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<v Speaker 1>value would be right now. You're probably not getting a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of You're probably not getting a ton of value

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so either.

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<v Speaker 1>No correlation is not causation though, Okay, I don't. All right, awesome, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>which teams we have left?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, let's see, see we.

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<v Speaker 1>Have the Clippers. Let's go to the Clippers.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Go with a resolution to the aspiration and investigation, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think they need a center. If we're

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<v Speaker 1>like trying to isolate it down to the biggest need.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what this team's direction is really in

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<v Speaker 1>the short term or the long term because they don't

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<v Speaker 1>control their own picks and the new lottery rules, like

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<v Speaker 1>they they could be decent. You look at the talent.

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<v Speaker 1>Derek Jones Junior is still there, Chris Juhnn is still here.

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<v Speaker 1>But the center options Niederhauser is coming back from that

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<v Speaker 1>Liz Frank injury, so I'm assuming he won't be ready

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<v Speaker 1>to even start the season. You have Brook Lopez who's

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<v Speaker 1>here is just kind of uninspiring, right, And so I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I like brook Lopez in theory, but this isn't brook

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<v Speaker 1>Lopez from like two or three years ago, And so

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<v Speaker 1>they do have enough, I think, just guards. Even like

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting got better with the Ruy Hachimra addition, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to be the best shooting team because

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<v Speaker 1>it's what it's Woggler Garland Hachi Mora, And that's like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of you. I mean, I guess brook Lopez still

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<v Speaker 1>provides you with stretch. So I'm pretty like glombed onto

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<v Speaker 1>the center position at this point. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I could say, Okay, I want someone who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>give them some size and like rebounding girth there on

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<v Speaker 1>the defensive glass. For sure. I don't know how you

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<v Speaker 1>go about acquiring that player, because I don't think this

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<v Speaker 1>team's on the timeline of let's give up assets to

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<v Speaker 1>go address this need, right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I agree, I agree. Everything is kind of thrown

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<v Speaker 2>together a little bit at this point. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Keeton Wagler, I didn't love him at five, but he

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<v Speaker 2>needs to pop so severely right now because I just

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. I can't envision anyone else Like it's they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to be younger, but like Gardland is like a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two year old anymore, Like he's approaching his late twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>He has to be the guide to just kind of clippers.

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<v Speaker 2>Get Peyton Watson all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I heard, Look, I already got that booked. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's that's actually a good one. That would be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't think they can get there, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>like that'd be fun they could do.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't their latest report was because they did by

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<v Speaker 1>going with Ruy, they confirmed their acting over the cap.

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<v Speaker 1>But they could do a sign and trade for him still.

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<v Speaker 2>And there won't be poison pill status.

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<v Speaker 1>Well they will, so the base year compensation would be

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<v Speaker 1>the issue. And so now you're roping in, they're probably

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<v Speaker 1>FLEXI it's not as big of an issue as you

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<v Speaker 1>know Sacramento trying to get Jayen Duran. That would just

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<v Speaker 1>be that that would be terrible, or that it'd be

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<v Speaker 1>like the logistics of that would be.

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<v Speaker 2>It would also be terrible. It's okay to say, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that would also be.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so I think it'd be easier also because Peyton

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, well yeah, I mean, so you think he's

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's gonna get like closer to Tari easton money.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I mean that's what I'm not I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's what that's man, that'll be. I hadn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I prepared myself and I probably should have

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<v Speaker 1>for this narra in which he got less than Christian

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<v Speaker 1>Brown got. I don't think, by the way, if that's

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<v Speaker 1>what he's getting. You could definitely figure out how to

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<v Speaker 1>make the base of conversation a sign and trade work,

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<v Speaker 1>but through the Clippers have like what do the Clippers have?

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<v Speaker 1>They have some spare parts, but in a Chris Dunn

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<v Speaker 1>and a Derrek Jones junior that Denver might have interest in.

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<v Speaker 1>But are you giving up a pick or picks to

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<v Speaker 1>get Peyton Watson? I'm sure that gets Denver's attention, But

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<v Speaker 1>as the Clippers, should you be doing that?

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<v Speaker 2>It depends on how much you trust this last season

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<v Speaker 2>of Watson, right, I mean, because he was good. But

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<v Speaker 2>is it something you buy into being a regular thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, even if you, let's say they do buy into that,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you giving like? What are what is dep like?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you giving first round picks to debt because you

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<v Speaker 1>need Denver to make this work? Now? Unless they're dumping

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<v Speaker 1>is there?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, if the choir trade doesn't go through, it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably easier to shave a bunch of money and a

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<v Speaker 1>cool like the pistons are just sitting there right now,

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<v Speaker 1>that's ready? Or what happens if his contract gets avoided?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it stay as a dead cat pit at that point?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it just off their books.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to know these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Why. I look, I thought I thought the trade. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought the trade was going to go through. So what

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<v Speaker 1>what do any of us know? Is the and they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it's not gonna be resolved for weeks. Conspiracy,

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<v Speaker 1>Say Denver's in the second apron though, Uh, they could

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<v Speaker 1>still trade. You can trade sign and trade someone in

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<v Speaker 1>the second apron or close to it. You can't acquire

419
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<v Speaker 1>someone in a sign and trade. That would hardcap you

420
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<v Speaker 1>with the first apron. So but yeah, Peyton Watson doesn't

421
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<v Speaker 1>fill the center need though, but he would be this

422
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<v Speaker 1>team gets more athletic, which I think you could argue

423
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<v Speaker 1>would also be a need that they could fill. I

424
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<v Speaker 1>like Peyton Watson here, that'd be a great flyer. If

425
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<v Speaker 1>you have him and Garland and Woggler, you just build

426
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<v Speaker 1>some really fun units with those.

427
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<v Speaker 2>M H. I agree. Who do we have left? We have? Oh? God, Repelicans?

428
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<v Speaker 2>Is this the last one? I feel like we're missing someone? Blazers, Yeah,

429
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<v Speaker 2>they were. I was trying to make you pick the Pelicans.

430
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<v Speaker 2>I think I six you name them. You can't pivot? Sorry, God,

431
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<v Speaker 2>so twice in a row? All right? Um? Can can

432
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<v Speaker 2>the need be like in the front office. Oh man,

433
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<v Speaker 2>can we have a front office need? Just combats in

434
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<v Speaker 2>front office work? Is that?

435
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<v Speaker 1>Could you first just list off all the transactions that

436
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<v Speaker 1>they've had this summer more? Oh god, there's been so many.

437
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<v Speaker 1>We'll be here for an hour, right, Uh now, I look,

438
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<v Speaker 1>has there even been a sign just there? I know

439
00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:11.079
<v Speaker 1>that they've been quiet, but like, haven't they resigned DeAndre Jordan?

440
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<v Speaker 2>They did? Is that? Really? God?

441
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<v Speaker 1>That?

442
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<v Speaker 2>So?

443
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<v Speaker 1>I have our So I'm building our document, I mean

444
00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.079
<v Speaker 1>the process of bringing our document for when uh we

445
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:23.680
<v Speaker 1>do our report card grades, which we at least have

446
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<v Speaker 1>to wait for like the lebron and commit yeats and

447
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<v Speaker 1>stuff to say, here's a lot, but here are their transactions. Uh?

448
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:35.160
<v Speaker 1>They picked up Karlo Makovic's two point three million dollar

449
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<v Speaker 1>team option, declined Kavan Looney's eight million dollar team option,

450
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<v Speaker 1>re signed DeAndre Jordan. End of this all right? Yeah?

451
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, uh, I guess you trust your roster and.

452
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<v Speaker 1>Glass Cow says, can everything be a need? Look? I

453
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<v Speaker 1>think not to hijacket from you, but the two I

454
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<v Speaker 1>have highlighted in theory, one of them shouldn't be a need.

455
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<v Speaker 1>But they need to figure out what they're doing at

456
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<v Speaker 1>the center position. Do you view Derek Queen as a

457
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<v Speaker 1>five or not? And if you don't, then I like,

458
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how how the Zion Williamson tug of

459
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<v Speaker 1>war works because then neither of them are five. Eves

460
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<v Speaker 1>Mesie's probably not the five or DeAndre Jordan. If you

461
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<v Speaker 1>view Derek Queen as a glorified four, do you view

462
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<v Speaker 1>Derek Queen as someone who's just gonna continue to come

463
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<v Speaker 1>off the bench, So then you need to figure out

464
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<v Speaker 1>the center position that could maybe be done internally. I

465
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<v Speaker 1>still like me si and I thought the vision of

466
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<v Speaker 1>Derrek Queen was, yeah, the defense, he'll be cooked. But

467
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<v Speaker 1>he is a five. So if it's I if that's

468
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<v Speaker 1>how you view him long term, which.

469
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<v Speaker 2>I I don't.

470
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<v Speaker 1>Do you think he could be a four? Or playing

471
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<v Speaker 1>like what who's the big he's to play alongside like

472
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<v Speaker 1>Chet Holmgren basically or Chriss porzingis right, those types of things.

473
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<v Speaker 2>He needs to play along someone alongside someone who sort

474
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<v Speaker 2>of like him, just better defensively, because well, I mean, look,

475
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<v Speaker 2>I do.

476
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<v Speaker 1>You Andy Kruz said skip? I'm assuming he said skip.

477
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<v Speaker 2>The He's not wrong, but these all around big men

478
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<v Speaker 2>like who struggled defensively though, but are so good at passing, rebounding, scoring, whatever.

479
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<v Speaker 2>Like they need someone who is almost equally as diverse,

480
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<v Speaker 2>but just in different areas. Like you can't have just

481
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<v Speaker 2>you know, a playmaker and necessarily a rim runner. I

482
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<v Speaker 2>firmly believe you need to have like some level of

483
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<v Speaker 2>identifiable factors there. So with with with Queen, I think

484
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<v Speaker 2>it's difficult because he's not a shooter yet we know

485
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<v Speaker 2>the defense is a problem, so like a no three,

486
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<v Speaker 2>no d center, just you have to work around that

487
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<v Speaker 2>to a perverse degree. And like I'm not even racking

488
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<v Speaker 2>on it because what he did this year was or

489
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<v Speaker 2>last year was really good for a rookie, especially like

490
00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:57.119
<v Speaker 2>this dude would just cobble together, you know, triple doubleish lines.

491
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<v Speaker 2>That's that's impressive. So so they need to figure out

492
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<v Speaker 2>how can we get bit up an all around big

493
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<v Speaker 2>men in here who's just better defensively. And you brought

494
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<v Speaker 2>up chet Honkgren, who I think is like the perfect

495
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<v Speaker 2>fit next to Queen, but he's just not realistic. So like,

496
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<v Speaker 2>who's the next next player who's in the homegrown rain?

497
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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the questions first is do you

498
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<v Speaker 1>trust Derek Queen to develop more offensive range, not in

499
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<v Speaker 1>the sense of a more complete offensive player, but the

500
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<v Speaker 1>actual range to have.

501
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I trust them. So if you trust

502
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<v Speaker 2>the arrival of the three more than the dyes so.

503
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<v Speaker 1>And because what did he shoot like eighty percent of

504
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<v Speaker 1>the foul line or something, So I think it's reasonable

505
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<v Speaker 1>to say, Okay, he'll shoot better than even looking at

506
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<v Speaker 1>like from mid range, she was at thirty seven percent

507
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.240
<v Speaker 1>last year. He was at twenty four percent on non

508
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<v Speaker 1>corner threes and then twenty eight percent from the corners.

509
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<v Speaker 1>I expect those to tick up. I think that he's

510
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<v Speaker 1>someone where the volume could tick up too. Then I

511
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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you need to go, well, it would

512
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<v Speaker 1>be preferable let me let me just be clear, it'd

513
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<v Speaker 1>be preferable to do the floor spacing, like just go

514
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<v Speaker 1>get Miles at this point or something. You figure it

515
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<v Speaker 1>all out later. But you could also like someone who's

516
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<v Speaker 1>a vertical space where I think could work if you

517
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<v Speaker 1>trust Derrek Queen to develop that additional offensive range. And

518
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<v Speaker 1>so if Jared Allen were available, I don't know what

519
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.039
<v Speaker 1>the cost is to get him. If it's just Trey

520
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Murphy straight up I probably don't like that as New Orleans.

521
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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's other things if you can get a pick

522
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<v Speaker 1>and Jared Allen for Trey Murphy at this point, maybe

523
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:22.839
<v Speaker 1>that's too rich for the Cavs as Blood, but I

524
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<v Speaker 1>think you could go a big man of that route

525
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to where it's okay. He clearly does the vertical spacing

526
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<v Speaker 1>stuff in a way that you don't trust Eves mecI

527
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<v Speaker 1>to do so right now, in a way that Zion Williamson,

528
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.200
<v Speaker 1>just like Jim Willison, isn't like a screen and roll

529
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<v Speaker 1>big and he can't be your defensive anchor at the

530
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<v Speaker 1>five either. And I think you could probably say the

531
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<v Speaker 1>same for Eves mec at this point, but it would

532
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<v Speaker 1>be preferable if you don't think Derek Queen is ever

533
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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a league average jump shooter. Let's say, then

534
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<v Speaker 1>you if you want to play him alongside another big

535
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<v Speaker 1>I think the I don't know if Jared Allen works

536
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<v Speaker 1>as well. You could go in Isaiah Hartenstein type. Someone

537
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<v Speaker 1>of theisa kind of has that flowing a range a

538
00:27:58.480 --> 00:27:59.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of like can do a lot of stuff in

539
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.519
<v Speaker 1>the short role, but it makes it tough. Oh, by

540
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the way, their actual other need though too. I think

541
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.119
<v Speaker 1>it's just more shooting on the team. You could I

542
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.039
<v Speaker 1>know they have Jordan Pool at a down year, but it's

543
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Trey Murphy and it's like, what else is is bankable

544
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:15.920
<v Speaker 1>on this roster?

545
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a.

546
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Question for you als. So shooting the non Trey Murphy

547
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:28.559
<v Speaker 1>players last year more catch and shoot efficiency second percent

548
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 1>tile non Tree.

549
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<v Speaker 2>Second percentile.

550
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<v Speaker 1>That's not good, just in case anyone was wondering whether

551
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.720
<v Speaker 1>that's good. But to the center point, this was a

552
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>third or excuse me, the second consecutive year they were

553
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.359
<v Speaker 1>bottom three in defensive rebounding. I would also like that

554
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:47.759
<v Speaker 1>they were dead last in like and this is part

555
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>of like the big man thing or just the personnel,

556
00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Like their transition defense needs to be more disciplined. They

557
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:55.799
<v Speaker 1>were dead last and transition frequency off of a misshot

558
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:58.519
<v Speaker 1>like that they allowed. So there's I think I can't

559
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>remember who your glass going in the chats, like everything

560
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.319
<v Speaker 1>be a need. They're probably not at that level because

561
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I like Trey Murphy. They have they have a lot

562
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.599
<v Speaker 1>of like Herb Jones, Trey Murphy is a deep but

563
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>actually have a lot of like nice wing types on

564
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.359
<v Speaker 1>this team, and they even have some offensive engine types

565
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>when you're looking at Zion Williamson, Derrek Queen, maybe even

566
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.319
<v Speaker 1>de Jon Dea Murray is still here. But the roster.

567
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.079
<v Speaker 1>We went through this a little bit with the Kings,

568
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.119
<v Speaker 1>and it's not as bad as Sacramento, right, but it

569
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 1>does lack a certain coherence to me.

570
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I I agree we I think overall, if

571
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm trying to take this seriously because again I

572
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.799
<v Speaker 2>actually agree with the commenter who said that everything. But

573
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I understand your point that we have to be a

574
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit matitious about this. It's not just the three

575
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.839
<v Speaker 2>point shot, although agreed, it's not just the front off

576
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:54.039
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff. It's also just a there's there's an

577
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>element of, or rather a lacking element of self sacrifice.

578
00:29:59.279 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Right.

579
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think this is a group for one another,

580
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't think this is a group that has

581
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:11.119
<v Speaker 2>any interest in proceeding as they currently constructed. I think

582
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 2>the player so well aware that this project is uh

583
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 2>is failing. I think everyone around them is aware of it.

584
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.839
<v Speaker 2>I just think there's a need drastic I think there's

585
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a need for major roster construction changes. Is it Ziah

586
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.039
<v Speaker 2>is it? Jordan Poole? Is it Deoncey Murray. Is it

587
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>all of them? Probably? I don't even know the hell

588
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 2>you're building around.

589
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't need is it you don't have, You don't

590
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.519
<v Speaker 1>have the player to point to. You would the hope

591
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 1>probably should have been that it would be Queen or

592
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Jeremiah Fears. You cannot and maybe you can't definitively say

593
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.640
<v Speaker 1>that about most sophomores. They feel further away than they

594
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.079
<v Speaker 1>should be for where the Pelicans would be add and

595
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't view that as the fault of the players.

596
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.519
<v Speaker 1>But if you're trying to if it's not Zion, there

597
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>is no and Zion probably isn't a realistic option unless

598
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 1>you're willing to go out. Because if Zion's the option,

599
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>do you know what the moves are? And I'm not

600
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 1>necessarily endorsing these, you start trading Fears in Queen and

601
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.559
<v Speaker 1>picks to build adequately around Zion and Trey Murphy that's

602
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:19.119
<v Speaker 1>the move, which is probably not the move. And what's

603
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>also you mentioned the nuclear thing. I think that's fair,

604
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that would be and they're a team, they can do something.

605
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:27.839
<v Speaker 1>This isn't the Kings where all of that, like Zion

606
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I would assume, still has appeal the issue would be

607
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>how many of his potential trade suitors came off the

608
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.960
<v Speaker 1>board this summer though, like Phoenix after the Miles Bridges

609
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>trade just gone, the heat Giannis just gone. You could

610
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.119
<v Speaker 1>still get a haul for Trey Murphy. I don't know

611
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>what Herb Jones's value is, so they could do something nuclear.

612
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it's gotten a little harder now, like put

613
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:52.799
<v Speaker 1>like post some of these other trades where it's if

614
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 1>you didn't think Zion Williamson was gonna net you a

615
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>small ransom before, it's probably harder to find the team

616
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.079
<v Speaker 1>that says I mean could if you want to take

617
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 1>on Paul George, is there like a Zion like for

618
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Paul George structure that would make sense? You want rim

619
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:07.799
<v Speaker 1>pressure in Boston?

620
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Do you do you like that? Do you like

621
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:13.880
<v Speaker 2>to fit in Joe Masula's offense? Well maybe he's the

622
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:14.920
<v Speaker 2>guy who actually.

623
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Want to which is different players, but to be sure

624
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:19.079
<v Speaker 1>and better.

625
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.319
<v Speaker 2>But Sion at least you know he can just kind

626
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>of spray the ball out to shooters. It's not it's

627
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<v Speaker 2>not like an idea that's the end of the world. There,

628
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<v Speaker 2>I get it. I think conceptually I like the fit

629
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<v Speaker 2>of Paul George and Boston more than Williamson, but at

630
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<v Speaker 2>the same time he's just so much older PG. So

631
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:43.079
<v Speaker 2>just the age addition you can call it in getting

632
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.799
<v Speaker 2>Sion in there, who's more along the timeline of Jason

633
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Tatum and will be cheaper than Jaylen Brown. Perhaps there's

634
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 2>something there. I hadn't thought about that one, but it's

635
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.319
<v Speaker 2>it's not a bad idea on its surface.

636
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<v Speaker 1>It's just I don't know what the if it's a

637
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<v Speaker 1>pick and not one of the ones you just acquired.

638
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but I'm assuming if if the cost was

639
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.039
<v Speaker 1>that maybe Zion's already been moved.

640
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would assume so.

641
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Uh Andy cru says Zion has the shooting around him

642
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>in Boston, Yeah for sure. I mean maybe some of

643
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the lineups with if you want to play him with

644
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Mitch or Kada a little touch and go, but Boston

645
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>has plenty of uh the ability. They definitely have the

646
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 1>ability to space the floor like his drives would be

647
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>to be like I think the vision would be similar

648
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:23.839
<v Speaker 1>to what it was supposed to be with the honest

649
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>it just let him rampage to the basket at will

650
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Uh we are onto the Portland Trailblazers, who are our

651
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 1>final team. Yeah, they need a Ja Moran trade.

652
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 2>I think, well, we definitely know they don't need a

653
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 2>point guard.

654
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think it's still I had

655
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>them as a sneaky what I thought would have been

656
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>like a great Trey Murphy dark horse trade destination, because

657
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I think they need that type of player, and I

658
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>think they need that type of player more than ever.

659
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Now is just the like the movement shooter preferably doesn't

660
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.359
<v Speaker 1>summary in your defense, but you have look the ball

661
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>handling boxes checked. Damian Lillard, Denny Avdia, John Morant, Drewalidey,

662
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Scoot Henderson, Shane Sharp can handle a little bit the

663
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>passings if he you've got between Robert Williams the third,

664
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Donovan Klingen an excellent sophomore season. I even like the

665
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Brandon Carlson pick up. I think was smart by them.

666
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:26.039
<v Speaker 1>I haven't given up on Young Hansom yet. This roster

667
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>is still kind of deep. A lot of intriguing players.

668
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 1>But if you want, if the plan is to play

669
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>John Morant and Damian Lillard together, I like you better

670
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.559
<v Speaker 1>hope the floors basing from Donovan Klingon is real just

671
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>because the John Morant element of it. But someone like

672
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 1>a Trey Murphy I think becomes would be integral to

673
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.440
<v Speaker 1>this team. I don't know, like i've even them as

674
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>good enough to where they should be looking at that

675
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 1>type of a play. There's other names that we could

676
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>throw out there as well, but I have written in

677
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 1>my notes to think they need their Trey Murphy. And

678
00:34:57.639 --> 00:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that I would have said that had they

679
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.079
<v Speaker 1>not made the John Morant trade. And I under I

680
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.840
<v Speaker 1>understand that from a talent vacuum play, because you can

681
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.039
<v Speaker 1>give up a ton to get him. But I hated

682
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:12.159
<v Speaker 1>that trade for Portland. I just don't. I don't like it.

683
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:16.719
<v Speaker 1>And it's I trust that like emotionally, this team, like culturally,

684
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.920
<v Speaker 1>this team will be fine. Damian Lillard's in the building,

685
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Drew Holliday, super high character guy. John Morant, this has

686
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.599
<v Speaker 1>to be somewhat of a rude of like and know

687
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>it has to be an awakening for him. Maybe it's

688
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.199
<v Speaker 1>not rude, but it's an awakening for him. I would

689
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>imagine change of scenery could do him good. But I

690
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.039
<v Speaker 1>don't know, Like I don't even know what their like

691
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.320
<v Speaker 1>favorite lineups are gonna look like at this point because

692
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:40.079
<v Speaker 1>you start to run into who are you leaving out

693
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.599
<v Speaker 1>if you think Denny needs to play and it feels

694
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>like they're obligated to play jaw Damian Lillard needs to play.

695
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>De Monty Kamara needs to play. Drew Holliday needs to play.

696
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 1>One of your bigs clinging as your bass big or

697
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>whether it's r W three needs to play. They are

698
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 1>a team that could play without a center before. I'm

699
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>less intrigued by those lineups now because you don't have

700
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.679
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Grant, who didn't help you enough with the rebounding.

701
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:06.679
<v Speaker 1>But are you getting away playing small with John Moran

702
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.559
<v Speaker 1>and or Damian Lillard on the court. I don't know

703
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:12.920
<v Speaker 1>what any of the John Morant stuff augurs for Scoot

704
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Henderson Slash Shade and Sharp's future. I think, like Shade

705
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and Sharp and stuff for Trey Murphy, is there something

706
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.320
<v Speaker 1>you could build around there would do wonders for this team.

707
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.039
<v Speaker 1>I still wouldn't love the John Morant fit, but I

708
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Speaker 1>think I think that's what they need, and look, there's

709
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.039
<v Speaker 1>the data just to back it up, like they were

710
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 1>just not a strong shooting team last year, Like Damian

711
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.559
<v Speaker 1>Lillard helps a ton beyond and off ball gravity is

712
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>just an element. They didn't have a singular player last year,

713
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.760
<v Speaker 1>but they need they need more now for sure.

714
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I agree. I don't have anything to add. You just

715
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>took everything.

716
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, it was one need. I was just unpacking it.

717
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>So I appreciate if you. I don't know if you

718
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.639
<v Speaker 1>feel a job. That's what I'm here for is a

719
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.840
<v Speaker 1>steel people's I'm aim. Really, I'm not an actually human.

720
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:03.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm a y I feel. There's when I hate. I

721
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 1>don't want people to think, probably that I'm being lazy

722
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.599
<v Speaker 1>when I say this. The just need shooting, So I

723
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.360
<v Speaker 1>probably whenever I go to shooting or wings, I probably

724
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 1>feel the need to over explain. Whereas no, I promise

725
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you I've thought about this.

726
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 2>No you have. I saw and I know you have,

727
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and you're you're right on the money. It's because, look,

728
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>let's just be real about one thing here as well.

729
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Shade and Sharp has not proved that he's a great

730
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 2>long range shooter. So it's not just the John Morant

731
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>on him and Kling and pairing, it's Shade and Sharp too,

732
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Like you just don't know what that's going to entail.

733
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.199
<v Speaker 2>So if you have three potential players in the lineup,

734
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:48.159
<v Speaker 2>who are you know, potentially weak shooters. That's a problem.

735
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:50.920
<v Speaker 2>And then you just re signed Propert Williams the third

736
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 2>also not a floor stretching pig man. That's a problem.

737
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Like you're not really sure what kind of spacing you're

738
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:01.159
<v Speaker 2>going to get out of Young Hansen. You just don't know.

739
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>And Scoot, Hey, Scoot as well. He's hat shooting concerns

740
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 2>over the course of his career too, Like these are

741
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 2>it's a fair question, Like this is on a balance.

742
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.000
<v Speaker 2>If they all have a good year, god, they could

743
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 2>make a playoff run like or a run within the playoffs.

744
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:21.360
<v Speaker 2>But if you have so many h let's see what

745
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.559
<v Speaker 2>is what is the comment the needed shooting and maybe

746
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.239
<v Speaker 2>a real power for it, and they went an acquired job.

747
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a good comment. I like that.

748
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're there. You're right about the because so and

749
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I assume he's just not going to play a bunch

750
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:40.679
<v Speaker 1>and if he is, I don't know what that says

751
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 1>about their plans for Young Hansen. But Brandon Carlson might

752
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.159
<v Speaker 1>give you the stretch because a stretch element at the five.

753
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.800
<v Speaker 1>If Donovan clingon shot is for real and he's just

754
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>a thirty five percent shooter on arc threes that gets

755
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it opens up the like John Moran needs

756
00:38:56.280 --> 00:39:00.559
<v Speaker 1>that openness, I think, especially when some of their most

757
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>important players when you look at the percentages. Yes, Tomaniy

758
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Kamara fine shooter. Denny Avda is someone who can shoot

759
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:08.840
<v Speaker 1>like you don't want to take him off the dribble

760
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 1>jumpers necessarily, but it's a set shooter. Okay. But Damian

761
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Lillard's the only guy on this roster who like comes

762
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.119
<v Speaker 1>close to being a five alarm fire relative to his position,

763
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:22.199
<v Speaker 1>and that's they need that at another spot, and it

764
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't Trey Murphy's the name I gravitate towards. If they

765
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:29.320
<v Speaker 1>could get a Max Struce, a Sam Merrill even you

766
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:30.960
<v Speaker 1>just you can't fit him into the structure. Though I

767
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, there might be like a shade and

768
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.239
<v Speaker 1>sharp for Miles Turner swap here, but I just don't

769
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>know how many minutes Miles Turner's playing when you have

770
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Donovan Klington and RW three on top of young handsome

771
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.440
<v Speaker 1>there and Brandon Carlson. But that that's what they need

772
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.400
<v Speaker 1>to go out and get and they have. Look, they

773
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:49.039
<v Speaker 1>have the I would say, if you're willing to trade

774
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Shaden Sharp and Scoot Is. I'm assuming they're not married

775
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 1>to Scoot. Now, if you have John Morant and Damian

776
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Lillard and Drew Holiday there, they have the ability to

777
00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>make that type of move, and I guess it seems

778
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>like they're willing to make swing. I would be like,

779
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 1>do we expect them to make another significant transaction before

780
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the other because we're kind of in the off season

781
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.360
<v Speaker 1>dog days at this point we are, Yeah, if we

782
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:16.880
<v Speaker 1>will still be looking to cut money at some point,

783
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>so there is that to consider. But maybe Trey Murphy

784
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:21.960
<v Speaker 1>becomes actually available. If the Pelicans ever pick up their phone,

785
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

786
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Know, we'll see, but it does feel like they've kind

787
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.320
<v Speaker 2>of said, all right, this is our team moving forward.

788
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>And do you do you think though that it's that

789
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>there is a there's like a layer of intelligibility to

790
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>that because you don't know what you look like with

791
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>John Moran, So why would you now go make another

792
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.480
<v Speaker 1>move where your team has to be more reflective of

793
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the image of having rant.

794
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 2>I guess, but we know what who John Morand is

795
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 2>and we know his weaknesses, we know his strength, So yeah,

796
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:56.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you want to go into that approach,

797
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:59.079
<v Speaker 2>and say we I want to see it first. Cool.

798
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I personally, I don't think there's a need for it.

799
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it's pretty obvious what's gonna happen. But like I, well,

800
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.360
<v Speaker 2>we could be wrong, I guess I on this one,

801
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:09.519
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think we are.

802
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:13.679
<v Speaker 1>But well, because peak, even if you got peak, Ja Morant,

803
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think our biggest need change. Like if we

804
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>just said you're getting twenty twenty two, John Morant, that

805
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 1>was all NBA season, right, Yeah, it's great, Yeah, you're

806
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>getting peak, John Morant. I think you still need well, hope,

807
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:29.079
<v Speaker 1>we just spent like the last.

808
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Eight minutes or so, absolutely absolutely both.

809
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Apparently overtired and forgot the Warriors.

810
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.119
<v Speaker 2>You take it. What is their biggest need, sir?

811
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:43.519
<v Speaker 1>They need Jonathan Kamingo back, So I have youth and athleticism.

812
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Which is kind of funny because the like the two

813
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.000
<v Speaker 1>free agents they're linked to the most is one Draymond Green,

814
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>who we just expect to come back obviously, but then too,

815
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 1>they're also linked to Lebron James, who would be one

816
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:58.199
<v Speaker 1>of their more athletic players. Anyway, this is just a

817
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:01.800
<v Speaker 1>team though. Twenty third and transition frequency or worse for

818
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the past three years. I think you're also looking at

819
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the perimeter defense. Right now, both Moses Moody and Jimmy

820
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Butler are going to begin the season on the shelf.

821
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.840
<v Speaker 1>We don't know if Moody's gonna play next year. I

822
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.039
<v Speaker 1>don't know if Jimmy Butler's gonna return before the calendar

823
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.800
<v Speaker 1>flips to twenty twenty seven, just at his age and

824
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the injury that he's coming back from. So you're putting

825
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>like there's a lot right now on the shoulders of defensively,

826
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Danthony Melton, and then is Jaxel Lindenberg playing a bunch

827
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 1>of minutes here and Draymond Green of course defensively, And

828
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.599
<v Speaker 1>so you just look at this team and they have

829
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:39.760
<v Speaker 1>and they still do, had a whole bunch of I

830
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 1>think you different needs heading into the offseason they haven't

831
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.960
<v Speaker 1>addressed aside from talent retention for them, they haven't addressed

832
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.119
<v Speaker 1>any of them. And so it's not just youth athleticism.

833
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.760
<v Speaker 1>It's all right, well, Jimmy Butler's injured, Do you need

834
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 1>another creator, do you need more I mean you can

835
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<v Speaker 1>say do they need more durability at the five spot?

836
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Just now you have al Horford, christophs porzingis there's Draymond

837
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 1>at the five lineups. Of course you lost Quinton Post.

838
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.800
<v Speaker 1>They did sign Charles Bassi. They just need wings again,

839
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Moses Moody, Jimmy Butler being injured. How much do you

840
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:17.639
<v Speaker 1>trust Jack so Wendenberg off Rip or Gie Santos and

841
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Will Richard to play bigger roles. But youth and athleticism

842
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.800
<v Speaker 1>over Maybe it doesn't need to be young, but it

843
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>needs to be athleticism on this team, Like they need

844
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 1>to have that button to push, and they do not.

845
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.199
<v Speaker 2>Right now, they don't. You're absolutely right, And that's been

846
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.559
<v Speaker 2>a concern for a while now, right like they try

847
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 2>to do the whole like let's be competitive, let's try

848
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.519
<v Speaker 2>to develop young guys. They couldn't develop the young guys.

849
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.320
<v Speaker 2>They also chose poorly in the draft for quite a

850
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:47.039
<v Speaker 2>few years there. It's it's it's a problem. They don't

851
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:50.320
<v Speaker 2>really have a backup plan in this in this manner,

852
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 2>like if the plan is Lebron great, Seemingly you want

853
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Davison there because that's what he's requiring. So how

854
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:02.239
<v Speaker 2>do you sell that idea to Washington? Like using Jimmy

855
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:04.519
<v Speaker 2>as a trade ship I don't think that's gonna go

856
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:09.519
<v Speaker 2>over particularly well. Yeah, I think that's a I think

857
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.960
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a complete fair observation that they're in need

858
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>of athleticism and durability and just someone who can do

859
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:21.920
<v Speaker 2>something else. Then I run around the floor and just

860
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 2>be an observer because I think that has been a

861
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 2>problem for them for a long time. Just everyone looking

862
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.159
<v Speaker 2>at Steph, looking at Draymond, looking at these guys like

863
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 2>you need someone who comes in and just does stuff.

864
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:35.920
<v Speaker 2>And maybe that's Lindeborg. Honestly, maybe it's it's pajem Ski

865
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.480
<v Speaker 2>in year four, but they need something. Maybe it's Gui Santos.

866
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Like I, frankly, I'm just open for everything at this

867
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 2>stage because they are in need of having someone other

868
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 2>than the old crew delivered it at a much higher rate.

869
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.119
<v Speaker 1>And it's I mean, they were twenty seventh in rim

870
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:01.880
<v Speaker 1>pressure last year, they're not when you're looking at like

871
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the way that roster's set up now without Jimmy. For

872
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.400
<v Speaker 1>let's assume at least half of the year, you're not

873
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:11.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna draw a ton of fouls, right like until that

874
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 1>bar has even been low. And so I look to

875
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.280
<v Speaker 1>even with the idea that Jimmy Butler will come back.

876
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I think you look at his roster and say they're

877
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of married. Just their their centers of christophs Perzenkis

878
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.880
<v Speaker 1>and Al Horford. You're not going to upgrade there, And

879
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe someone becomes available that we're not discussing.

880
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Steph is Steph. You're not going to upgrade at that

881
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.679
<v Speaker 1>spot if you're bringing Draymond back, or you have Lebron James,

882
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.159
<v Speaker 1>like your four is kind of set, and so I

883
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 1>look at the two three spot like it's the wing spot.

884
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I feel as if what all the stuff

885
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.480
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, ideally it would come in the form

886
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:50.039
<v Speaker 1>of a bigger wing or just a wing type player agree,

887
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know who that is. I mean, Trey

888
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Murphy's been one that's been mentioned for them. He's been

889
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:57.400
<v Speaker 1>mentioned for every team that doesn't check all of about like,

890
00:45:57.519 --> 00:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>he's not gonna give you a ton of rim pressure,

891
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 1>he's not the best defender, and he's gonna cost you

892
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:04.599
<v Speaker 1>a ton of assets. I think you still make that

893
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:06.880
<v Speaker 1>move and figure it out later. But the bigger question

894
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:10.880
<v Speaker 1>here is if it's not Lebron James, who again does

895
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:12.760
<v Speaker 1>not answer, he'll give you some rim pressure. For sure,

896
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.440
<v Speaker 1>if you're worried about creation, especially with Jimmy Butler injured,

897
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.159
<v Speaker 1>he's going to give you that. But if it's not

898
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Lebron James, do you view this as a team that's

899
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.519
<v Speaker 1>gonna look to make I've asked Grant this question a

900
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:26.760
<v Speaker 1>but like, are they actually gonna try and make significant

901
00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:28.920
<v Speaker 1>upgrades or do they come out of this offseason and say,

902
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, we were linked to Lebron and like we

903
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.920
<v Speaker 1>were kinda it seems like they maybe might have checked

904
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:35.920
<v Speaker 1>in on you. Honest, they weren't on his final list though,

905
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.719
<v Speaker 1>and we were linked to Anthony Davis for a hot minute,

906
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 1>and that's just gonna be that.

907
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that is what ultimately happens,

908
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.639
<v Speaker 2>because they can only put their best foot forward, and

909
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:49.519
<v Speaker 2>they are an organization that would probably want that to

910
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 2>be publicized a lot that they did, because I think

911
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.320
<v Speaker 2>we've seen that every single year with them, like, oh,

912
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:56.119
<v Speaker 2>we tried to be in the running for blah blah

913
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 2>blah blah. That's and that's fine, Like sometimes you just

914
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:02.000
<v Speaker 2>don't get shit done, and I don't think that's necessarily

915
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.760
<v Speaker 2>something to look down upon. But I think they realize

916
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:09.559
<v Speaker 2>the situation as well, like this is the sunset years

917
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.679
<v Speaker 2>of Stephen Draymond, and while they want to give them

918
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:17.599
<v Speaker 2>something cohesive to allow them to have a good final run,

919
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.719
<v Speaker 2>it just comes down to do other players look at

920
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 2>this situation as being attractive? And most, I would guess, don't.

921
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:31.039
<v Speaker 1>I think when the bar is so high in the

922
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.119
<v Speaker 1>West with San Antonio and Okac being there, and then

923
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 1>even you either believe Dever is going to be right

924
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.159
<v Speaker 1>back there, or perhaps you think that Minnesota's better. I

925
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:41.239
<v Speaker 1>know you don't, but perhaps you think Minnesota is better

926
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.840
<v Speaker 1>after the La Melo ball trade. Cald Houston just get

927
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.800
<v Speaker 1>better by virtue of being healthier having cred Van fleetback

928
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:48.760
<v Speaker 1>they could get. I mean a lot of their key

929
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:52.840
<v Speaker 1>players on my Thompson, Alprin, Shangoun Reed Shepherd aren't off

930
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the growth trajectory. It's tough because with Golden State too,

931
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.920
<v Speaker 1>they need so many things that to identify a singular

932
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 1>target like a Giannis came closest just because he didn't

933
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>check all the boxes, but it was well, this is

934
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.760
<v Speaker 1>just a clear top ten talent, and so you do it,

935
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:12.719
<v Speaker 1>and that's going to move the needle enough. Otherwise you're

936
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.639
<v Speaker 1>probably talking about multiple moves. But it would just be

937
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.719
<v Speaker 1>nice on balance to see them get more athletic overall.

938
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 1>And I don't I like when you're try and suss

939
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.719
<v Speaker 1>out names. That gets a little difficult. And I think

940
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.960
<v Speaker 1>part of the reason for that with me is even

941
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:31.159
<v Speaker 1>if Boston made a Derek White available, now, now you're

942
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 1>getting older and like, how much have you improved your athleticism?

943
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not enough? But has this team then, like they've

944
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.159
<v Speaker 1>not shown a willingness It feels like to part with

945
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 1>right the draft compensation or just the assets overall that

946
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 1>it would take to even pull off a move like that.

947
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, they haven't, and that's why I don't

948
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 2>think we can anticipate anything of substantial nature because of it.

949
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that would be presumptuous.

950
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.559
<v Speaker 1>So maybe they get like they do have. I will

951
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:01.760
<v Speaker 1>say one thing. I will say, they do have lightning

952
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>in a bottle potential to where if you say, well,

953
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:07.199
<v Speaker 1>if Christops is healthy, Jimmy Butler gets right and Steph

954
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:09.360
<v Speaker 1>is healthy in the playoffs, this isn't a team that

955
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:12.639
<v Speaker 1>I would want to face if they have there, the

956
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:16.440
<v Speaker 1>top of their roster has still a very high end outcome.

957
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.239
<v Speaker 1>But it's just the odds of everybody at the top

958
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 1>of their roster being available or operating at the peak

959
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of their powers when it matters most. It just year

960
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 1>over year, it feels as if it gets lower and lower.

961
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, And I think that's partly why what

962
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.199
<v Speaker 2>I said earlier, that most players are looking at that

963
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:37.360
<v Speaker 2>situation and not saying, oh, yeah, I want to sign

964
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.840
<v Speaker 2>up to this. I think a lot are basically avoiding

965
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:42.920
<v Speaker 2>that because they could be looking at a situation where

966
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.440
<v Speaker 2>they are trying to rebuild and then they're forced to

967
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:51.679
<v Speaker 2>being traded and then they don't decide their next destination. So, yeah, do.

968
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:53.559
<v Speaker 1>You have anything else on any trade targets you think

969
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.679
<v Speaker 1>they should go after? Should they be a Zion team?

970
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Like is that wouldn't hurt rim pressure youth? I mean,

971
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:02.920
<v Speaker 2>those are the two things that you're outlined that I

972
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:07.719
<v Speaker 2>think is like a fair game athleticism as well. If

973
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.719
<v Speaker 2>there's an organization that might be able to absorb him,

974
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 2>it's them, So I wouldn't hate it. But the question is,

975
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.599
<v Speaker 2>what's what's the deal is it? Jimmy?

976
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.599
<v Speaker 1>I think yeah, I mean financially it has to be

977
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I think this point because you resigned Porzingis Draymond opted out?

978
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they would be.

979
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.360
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's what's there's the report that they don't

980
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.639
<v Speaker 1>want to trade Jimmy. He's just this. I don't think

981
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:36.599
<v Speaker 1>he's immovable because he's an expiring contract, but the contract

982
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:41.199
<v Speaker 1>is so massive that it's that it's inherently tough to move,

983
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and are you you have to find a team that's

984
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.760
<v Speaker 1>willing to break it. One, get a player who they're

985
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.199
<v Speaker 1>either rerouting or maybe they're negotiating a buy out with,

986
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:50.440
<v Speaker 1>or they're just not getting back until twenty twenty seven,

987
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and then they're also willing to send out what like

988
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:55.719
<v Speaker 1>two or three rotation players. Yeah your way? I mean,

989
00:50:55.719 --> 00:51:00.079
<v Speaker 1>maybe is this the Memphis consolidation trade? They get the

990
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:03.199
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Butler contract, but you send the Warriors who you're

991
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:07.239
<v Speaker 1>probably getting off KCP in that deal, or or Jeremy Grant,

992
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.039
<v Speaker 1>take your pick. But then it's well, what do the

993
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Warriors want off that roster? It's they have they have

994
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.400
<v Speaker 1>players that I think would be appealing, But do the

995
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Warriors want Jallen Wells? Do they want Cam Spencer? And

996
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.840
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, like, what are you willing to give

997
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:24.519
<v Speaker 1>up to get the like, none of those players are

998
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:27.559
<v Speaker 1>even close to even in the aggregate or close to

999
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.760
<v Speaker 1>enough for us to feel much better about this team,

1000
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.159
<v Speaker 1>or even the players I just name them, they're not

1001
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:35.079
<v Speaker 1>checking the athleticism box.

1002
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Either, No, exactly, So like, I don't feel as though

1003
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the Memphis deal, even though it was to materialize, would

1004
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>make them significantly better, although it would improve their debt,

1005
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 2>But overall, I think this team just it needs something

1006
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:52.920
<v Speaker 2>major for the narratives to shift, and I'm just not

1007
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:54.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna guess that that's going to happen.

1008
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Do you have did we do it? Did we skip anybody?

1009
00:51:58.039 --> 00:51:58.360
<v Speaker 1>We should?

1010
00:51:58.480 --> 00:51:58.800
<v Speaker 2>We should?

1011
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I should have counted those while you're talking at one point,

1012
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.440
<v Speaker 1>But I think we got everyone. I'm looking out here.

1013
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:03.199
<v Speaker 2>We think we did too.

1014
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Go look at that all thirty teams. Go check out

1015
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:07.639
<v Speaker 1>the East if you haven't done so. But morey, you're

1016
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:09.159
<v Speaker 1>able just to tell everyone where they can find you

1017
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:10.079
<v Speaker 1>and all the work that you do.

1018
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, you can find my work over at Yahoo Sports

1019
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 2>and on the NBA podcast, and if you understand Danish,

1020
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 2>you can find me over at Busser Beater or catch

1021
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.880
<v Speaker 2>from calling games at Hbomex.

1022
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<v Speaker 1>Maya though, so until next time, and as always, wet

1028
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<v Speaker 1>the shout out to the one, the only, the player

1029
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:46.280
<v Speaker 1>who could solve the problems biggest needs of at least

1030
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.679
<v Speaker 1>what thirteen of the fifteen teams we just talked at

1031
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<v Speaker 1>fourteen fourteen and fifteen teams you just talk about mister Frank,

1032
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<v Speaker 1>the one and only mister Frank Heldina, this small k