Speaker 1: What is up, fellasickos, I am Dan Valley coming at
Speaker 1: you with mister Moore Jansen of the NBA podcast, fame
Speaker 1: of Yahoo's Boards, fame of HBO Max fame of course
Speaker 1: only fans celebrity quick your next team more?
Speaker 2: All right, Obviously we have to coach to the Sacramento
Speaker 2: Kings because their needs are vast many. I don't I
Speaker 2: don't even want to key in on something. They just have.
Speaker 2: They have need everywhere. This is an organization that that
Speaker 2: probably just needs to start over, frankly, So take your pick, sir,
Speaker 2: Like where do we even feel comfortable? Look, I love
Speaker 2: the Darius Acuff selection, but even him, like he's got
Speaker 2: a need need for to be able to play defense,
Speaker 2: because that's not something he does a whole bunch. Like
Speaker 2: there's not a single player on this team where I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, nailed it at this point, even though again
Speaker 2: love a cup, just no, just needs everywhere. There's not
Speaker 2: a position I feel comfortable with. There's not a skill
Speaker 2: set I feel comfortable with. There's not a uh a
Speaker 2: spot on the floor where I just go, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they got this covered, like from the three point line
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like, No, this just I do not trust
Speaker 2: this team as far as I can throw it, and
Speaker 2: that's because they have needs up the wazoo. So just
Speaker 2: take your pick in terms of like what you think
Speaker 2: Dan is like the most pressing one. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: go all over on this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, like a single identifiable need. When I
Speaker 1: was thinking about that, my notes are kind of all
Speaker 1: over the place. Could you, like, what is the overarching
Speaker 1: philosophy of this roster? Or even because you could say
Speaker 1: chartered exist, what did.
Speaker 2: You say to exist?
Speaker 1: That's just philosophy.
Speaker 2: That's because there's no logic here. There's no philosophy. There's
Speaker 2: absolutely no thing going on on. This roster is just
Speaker 2: cashing checks, getting up shots, going home. It's this is
Speaker 2: the most ridiculous roster construction in the NBA currently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I still like Keegan Murray and you did
Speaker 1: just draft a cuffs I think you could point to
Speaker 1: and say you can't guarantee their pillars. But then like,
Speaker 1: I still I really liked and Ee Clifford coming into
Speaker 1: his rookie season was a little bit disappointed me. They
Speaker 1: found like getting what they did out of Dylan Cardwell
Speaker 1: or Maxim Reno last year. Those were nice fines for them,
Speaker 1: but you are right, there's the only shot they have
Speaker 1: at a higher end, long term cornerstone right now. As
Speaker 1: much as I still believe a health and Keegan Murray
Speaker 1: can kill it, it is a cuff. And I don't
Speaker 1: I wasn't big on him or Flemings necessarily coming out
Speaker 1: of the draft. And I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: they're already getting on me about my Flemings take there.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how pans out. I'm assuming he'll at
Speaker 1: least have a cuff. I'm talking about a ton of
Speaker 1: license on this team, but they are pretty Zach Lvine's here,
Speaker 1: Maligue Monk is here. At least a martyro And is gone.
Speaker 1: There's this team is They're the quintessential. I wish that
Speaker 1: we were doing this a little later on because there
Speaker 1: has to be like more stuff to come from. If
Speaker 1: it's just, oh, we're gonna wave to Martin Rosen, then
Speaker 1: we're gonna stretch that salary and that's the big move
Speaker 1: of the summer would be wildly disappointing here.
Speaker 2: Agreed, Do we even have more to say? Can we skip?
Speaker 1: Can't skip them? That'd be rude. Let's go too, But yeah,
Speaker 1: we can make it.
Speaker 2: Move on.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's go to Let's go to Denver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So they're interesting because at the end of the season
Speaker 1: Ben Tenzer and John Wallace had come out and said,
Speaker 1: I believe that they need defense, athleticism, and ball handling.
Speaker 1: They have since added Trayvon Brazil the number thirty five pick,
Speaker 1: Bryce Hopkins the number forty nine pick, re signed Tyas Jones,
Speaker 1: and then signed Marvin Beckley the third. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: which of those needs were dressed with any of those
Speaker 1: those moves. I think Brazil in theory, okay, there's athleticism
Speaker 1: and maybe some stretch or some defense if he's blocking shots.
Speaker 1: A lot of this hinges on what's gonna happen with
Speaker 1: Peyton Watson. So what do they need? They need a
Speaker 1: resolution to the Peyton Watson situation, But beyond that, it's
Speaker 1: what else do they like? You look, what is the
Speaker 1: bigger need, the biggest the single when you're because I
Speaker 1: was going back and forth between, you could say it's defense.
Speaker 1: But if you look at their core lineups, especially if
Speaker 1: we assume Peyton Watson is back, they should be able
Speaker 1: to game it correctly. I found myself gravitating towards ball handling.
Speaker 1: I thought about shooting because they lost Tim Hardaway Junior.
Speaker 1: It's ultimately not shooting because I think that Nicola jokicch
Speaker 1: will just give you and Jamal Murray by virtue of
Speaker 1: having them both. That's a top three offense is basically
Speaker 1: or four at this point. So is it? Is it athleticism?
Speaker 1: But is that a weird thing to say when Peyton
Speaker 1: Watson might be back and you still have.
Speaker 2: Christian gravit guy? That's one guy. Frankly, I think this
Speaker 2: is the team that should complete a deal with Memphis
Speaker 2: because Memphis, as we saw, like twenty players on the
Speaker 2: contract currently, like they need.
Speaker 1: I'll take the over on that, just.
Speaker 2: Kidding, no, But like it's Cam Johnson, right, like twenty
Speaker 2: three million. Can you go to Memphis and say, look,
Speaker 2: you get an expiring Cam Johnson at twenty three million,
Speaker 2: will solve your roster crunch? Just give us debt? Is
Speaker 2: that a thing?
Speaker 1: What do you want from me? Because you're you're making
Speaker 1: your I think Cam Johnson is really important to this team.
Speaker 2: Especially free but like then okay, then Christian Brown, but
Speaker 2: like then you're gonna have to commensate them, because you're
Speaker 2: you're asking them to take on future money.
Speaker 1: Man. That is so so I get well, so I
Speaker 1: would need to see, like what are you propose Cam
Speaker 1: Johnson for? Who? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, so let's let's see.
Speaker 1: Let's see could you get a spencer? And like is
Speaker 1: Jalen Wells that's the prices that's not enough to get down.
Speaker 2: So you have twenty three if you want to look
Speaker 2: like you're going into a candy shopping you have twenty
Speaker 2: three millions to burn basically here and you need to
Speaker 2: align that so like you're not gonna get sack Ey
Speaker 2: sent a coward with some of those guys, Chris Murray
Speaker 2: you can probably get right, you should be able.
Speaker 1: Boody want well, I mean why would you? I guess
Speaker 1: to save money?
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm look, this is a way to get some
Speaker 2: depth onto the roster. And I guess what can they do?
Speaker 2: They they're so expensive. They have like Jokic and Murray
Speaker 2: earning fifty plus. Then you have Aaron Gordon checking in
Speaker 2: at fordy plus, you have Cam Johnson at twenty three,
Speaker 2: you have Christian Brown at twenty one. If them research
Speaker 2: and oh yeah, you've got to resign Peyton Watson too,
Speaker 2: so like, at some point, something's got to give, like
Speaker 2: if there's if there is a package to be found,
Speaker 2: it has to be with a team that is just
Speaker 2: completely overstocked with on contract unmovable contracts. Like No, though,
Speaker 2: I do think Chris Murky can even be aggregated right now.
Speaker 1: No, right, Memphis did not acquire him with cap space,
Speaker 1: so probably not unless they I mean, he could be
Speaker 1: before the season, he could be aggregated again, So.
Speaker 2: That okay, all right, fair enough?
Speaker 1: But like, so would you do something that is Memphis
Speaker 1: doing because this doesn't solve their bodies problem. If anything,
Speaker 1: it might make it worse. But are you doing Cam
Speaker 1: Johnson Christian Brown and then getting off the Zekenology deal
Speaker 1: and in exchange you get Cam Spencer and KCP? Maybe
Speaker 1: can Gigi Jackson come back in that deal? Do you
Speaker 1: need to your swap if you're denver? Is this my asking? Too?
Speaker 1: Much of it depends on I have no idea what
Speaker 1: Christian Brown's tree value would be.
Speaker 2: Right, No, that's that's tough.
Speaker 1: I do assume it's low, though otherwise I feel as
Speaker 1: if he wouldn't be on the team right now in
Speaker 1: real line, I.
Speaker 2: Agree, but like that my point larger point is this
Speaker 2: is kind of the type of deal Denver has to
Speaker 2: go look for because this is not a deep team.
Speaker 2: It's it's not and that's a problem if you want
Speaker 2: to compete for a championship. What I have, which I
Speaker 2: have to assume is still the priority when you have
Speaker 2: Nicola freaking Jokic on your team. Who's in this prime?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because so if they run back the thing I
Speaker 1: don't buy. I'm assuming was it you were Grant I
Speaker 1: talked to about this post the report from the Steinline
Speaker 1: that they're not necessarily under a mandate to shed salary.
Speaker 1: I have a I would be pleasantly surprised if that
Speaker 1: were the case, if they decide not to shed salary.
Speaker 1: But I have a hard time believing that after getting
Speaker 1: bounced in the first round, they're going to go into
Speaker 1: the second apron to keep the same team. That's what
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believe, for argument's sake, if
Speaker 1: they keep the same team. So you're bringing back Peyton Watson,
Speaker 1: You're bringing back Spencer Jones. How many trustworthy players deep
Speaker 1: does this rotation go? There's the starting five plus Peyton Watson,
Speaker 1: or if you want to at Christian Brown, the starting
Speaker 1: five place Christian Brown. That gives you six. I'd probably
Speaker 1: be wanting to throw the you know, the the jump
Speaker 1: shot is very weird looking, but I did go in
Speaker 1: more than I thought it would. I'd be willing to
Speaker 1: throw Spencer Jones in there. But I don't know that
Speaker 1: Tias is in a circle of trust anyway, Like he
Speaker 1: has not been good, good enough, not after the year
Speaker 1: before last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he was a little underrated that year.
Speaker 2: I understand why they're skepticism. I was found out on him.
Speaker 2: I am now because Jesus the type of year he
Speaker 2: just had. No but there's not a lot of trust.
Speaker 2: That's and that's why, like you need to have more
Speaker 2: bites of the apple, and this is probably the only
Speaker 2: way that you get it.
Speaker 1: What is also fascinating is seven of their eight most
Speaker 1: used Nicole jokicch lineups last year were underwater defensively, only
Speaker 1: two of them ranked higher than the thirty fourth percentile.
Speaker 1: Maybe a healthy Aaron Gordon kind of solves that. I
Speaker 1: just don't know, you, Like, I just I don't know
Speaker 1: how they go about getting like better on a higher
Speaker 1: end because they're so assets strapped and also the players
Speaker 1: you would need to move to do it. Like the
Speaker 1: deal would be to me if in a perfect world
Speaker 1: you're moving Christian Brown and or Zeke Nausey and attaching
Speaker 1: someone or something to get better, but they don't have
Speaker 1: the assets to do that. We're talking about can you
Speaker 1: attach Cam Johnson to that, in which case that becomes
Speaker 1: a functional sacrifice. And also you're moving a ton of
Speaker 1: money at once. That's what they're in. Just such a
Speaker 1: tough spot and even trying to go out there and
Speaker 1: acquire depth at this point, I don't like, is Zeke
Speaker 1: Naugy plus a swap getting you anything? I don't like.
Speaker 1: That's and that's assuming they're willing to just foot the bill.
Speaker 2: For this roster, right. No, so yeah, I guess I didn't.
Speaker 1: Boil it down to a single biggest need. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: why do I want to go? Do I want to
Speaker 1: say ball handling, ball hangling?
Speaker 2: Creation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say that just seems so stupid on a
Speaker 1: team with Jokic, But as we saw during the playoffs,
Speaker 1: that would have gone a long way to have another
Speaker 1: reliable creator. Yeah, so I'll go with that. But you
Speaker 1: could talk me into athleticism just with Aaron Gordon getting older,
Speaker 1: and especially now if you if you tell me Peyton
Speaker 1: Watson's gone, then I think this becomes an incredibly easy
Speaker 1: exercise to rank.
Speaker 2: I am going to go with Dallas Mavericks, and the
Speaker 2: need that I have there is guards question mark. So
Speaker 2: I don't We don't know about Kyrie. It's basically the
Speaker 2: long end of it this, like we just don't know
Speaker 2: what kind of quality he's going to be at when
Speaker 2: the ball tips off next season. We have no idea.
Speaker 2: We can sit here and we can hope that he's
Speaker 2: the Kyrie Irving of Hold, or we can perhaps acknowledge
Speaker 2: that there is a level of skepticism as to whether
Speaker 2: he can be that player. Right, So he's not that guy?
Speaker 2: Where do you go here? Like who is going to
Speaker 2: be the one who can consistently set up Cooper Flag
Speaker 2: and Maurice Johnson? Like who is going to be the
Speaker 2: guy who consistently proves himself starting caliber worthy? Is it
Speaker 2: Ryan Nimhart, is it Marcus Sasser, Sergio de Lerara? I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that player would be on the roster.
Speaker 1: Brendan Williams is unsigned right now, and I think that
Speaker 1: I still have their biggest need, I have guard creation
Speaker 1: and also shooting. Just they were the non Cooper Flag
Speaker 1: players were in the sixteenth percentile of catching shoot three
Speaker 1: point efficiency last year, and then Flag himself was in
Speaker 1: the eighth percentile of it. Getting Kyrie back helps, But
Speaker 1: I think even right now you mentioned Sergio de la Area,
Speaker 1: there's a lot on his shoulders then, or Marcus Sasser.
Speaker 1: It's just like if this team, let's they're fine because
Speaker 1: Naji Marshall can get downhill, Kyrie Irving's coming back. We
Speaker 1: know Cooper Flag can get downhill. Just even with Klay
Speaker 1: Thompson here, there's just not a ton of shooting. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is I don't know if that this
Speaker 1: counts as a need, but why are they continuing to
Speaker 1: build a roster where Cooper Flag just isn't the day
Speaker 1: facto for or the default four?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, agreed, agreed, I roster construction is a problem.
Speaker 2: So maybe their need is a roster construction symmetry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they have because who is there? You
Speaker 1: have Kyrie and I really do like Max Christie, but
Speaker 1: the confidence level in guards kind of drops off there.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean actually the guards in general just
Speaker 1: drop like the raw count of guards just drops off
Speaker 1: after Kyrie Irving and Max Christy Sasser. Klay Thompson even
Speaker 1: defensively is more of a forward at this point. So
Speaker 1: it's nemhard Dala ree. Yeah, it's the roster construction is interesting.
Speaker 1: I found myself asking this is a question that I
Speaker 1: have more. What do we see more minutes of Cooper
Speaker 1: flag as the actual four or Santi al Dama at
Speaker 1: the three.
Speaker 2: I don't like Sanci at the three.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't be there, but did they acquire him to
Speaker 1: Maybe they're not confident in Derek Lively's health, which is fair.
Speaker 2: You're right and nobody. You're right because they acquired him.
Speaker 2: P J is still there. You're you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: play the She's there, Maurice Johnson, they drafted. Do you
Speaker 2: think do you want to be an interesting trade?
Speaker 1: Not like at least a framework Naji Marshall for Sam Hauser.
Speaker 1: Boston needs rim pressure and I think Dallas needs another
Speaker 1: guy who could really sling it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you're not swing positional need out right,
Speaker 2: But yes, I hear what you're saying. That could be interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate that. You're still not the playmaking.
Speaker 1: No, but the question is is how one? Because you
Speaker 1: don't control they do have first round equity, so let's
Speaker 1: be clear, they do have picks to trade. But should
Speaker 1: you be trading picks at this stage either like whether
Speaker 1: it's your own which you don't control again in twenty
Speaker 1: thirty one or other teams is probably not? And so
Speaker 1: how do you go? I am with like messi U
Speaker 1: Jerry said, and I think a lot of people. I
Speaker 1: want to see Cooper Flag and Kyrie Irving together to
Speaker 1: see what it looks like. But the variable there isn't
Speaker 1: what we see it. It's just what does Kyrie Irving
Speaker 1: look like at his age coming off an ACL injury?
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, exactly. So lots of questions about Dallas at
Speaker 2: this point, just.
Speaker 1: Going through the comments really quick to see if I
Speaker 1: missed anything that would be what is Jamal Murray for?
Speaker 1: If not for ball handling on the Nuggets? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that, but did we look at how many
Speaker 1: ball handlers the Spurs had to get to the finals.
Speaker 1: Look how many ball handlers? Okay, see has even Nicks.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the higher end teams from last season.
Speaker 1: Just a ton of Josh Hart or mckail maybe not
Speaker 1: the highest level passers, but mckel bridges Josh Hart, like
Speaker 1: they just have the really good these three guys. Towns
Speaker 1: Is as.
Speaker 2: A ball, I mean, for for a center, He's extremely
Speaker 2: fluid with the ball, Like, let's.
Speaker 1: Yeah fair, So I you just you need more than
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray and I think Nicole Yokichen, yes, Sage. Kyrie
Speaker 1: isn't done. I mean, I'm open to that. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it would take to get because people just
Speaker 1: said they should trade Kyrie Irving because of the need.
Speaker 1: He feels like we've just spent a ton of time
Speaker 1: talking about and then I don't even know what his
Speaker 1: value would be right now. You're probably not getting a
Speaker 1: ton of You're probably not getting a ton of value
Speaker 1: for him right now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so either.
Speaker 1: No correlation is not causation though, Okay, I don't. All right, awesome, Uh,
Speaker 1: which teams we have left?
Speaker 2: Oh, let's see, see we.
Speaker 1: Have the Clippers. Let's go to the Clippers.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Go with a resolution to the aspiration and investigation, of course,
Speaker 1: And then I think they need a center. If we're
Speaker 1: like trying to isolate it down to the biggest need.
Speaker 1: I don't know what this team's direction is really in
Speaker 1: the short term or the long term because they don't
Speaker 1: control their own picks and the new lottery rules, like
Speaker 1: they they could be decent. You look at the talent.
Speaker 1: Derek Jones Junior is still there, Chris Juhnn is still here.
Speaker 1: But the center options Niederhauser is coming back from that
Speaker 1: Liz Frank injury, so I'm assuming he won't be ready
Speaker 1: to even start the season. You have Brook Lopez who's
Speaker 1: just getting older, Isaiah Jackson that the big man rotation
Speaker 1: here is just kind of uninspiring, right, And so I like,
Speaker 1: I like brook Lopez in theory, but this isn't brook
Speaker 1: Lopez from like two or three years ago, And so
Speaker 1: they do have enough, I think, just guards. Even like
Speaker 1: the shooting got better with the Ruy Hachimra addition, maybe
Speaker 1: they're not going to be the best shooting team because
Speaker 1: it's what it's Woggler Garland Hachi Mora, And that's like
Speaker 1: kind of you. I mean, I guess brook Lopez still
Speaker 1: provides you with stretch. So I'm pretty like glombed onto
Speaker 1: the center position at this point. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I could say, Okay, I want someone who's going to
Speaker 1: give them some size and like rebounding girth there on
Speaker 1: the defensive glass. For sure. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: go about acquiring that player, because I don't think this
Speaker 1: team's on the timeline of let's give up assets to
Speaker 1: go address this need, right.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, I agree. Everything is kind of thrown
Speaker 2: together a little bit at this point. By the way,
Speaker 2: Keeton Wagler, I didn't love him at five, but he
Speaker 2: needs to pop so severely right now because I just
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't envision anyone else Like it's they're
Speaker 2: trying to be younger, but like Gardland is like a
Speaker 2: twenty two year old anymore, Like he's approaching his late twenties.
Speaker 2: He has to be the guide to just kind of clippers.
Speaker 2: Get Peyton Watson all right.
Speaker 1: Sam Passini fan Paige, I want to someone go make
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Speaker 1: fan paign.
Speaker 2: Oh I heard, Look, I already got that booked. No,
Speaker 2: it's that's actually a good one. That would be fun.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think they can get there, right, but
Speaker 2: like that'd be fun they could do.
Speaker 1: That wasn't their latest report was because they did by
Speaker 1: going with Ruy, they confirmed their acting over the cap.
Speaker 1: But they could do a sign and trade for him still.
Speaker 2: And there won't be poison pill status.
Speaker 1: Well they will, so the base year compensation would be
Speaker 1: the issue. And so now you're roping in, they're probably
Speaker 1: FLEXI it's not as big of an issue as you
Speaker 1: know Sacramento trying to get Jayen Duran. That would just
Speaker 1: be that that would be terrible, or that it'd be
Speaker 1: like the logistics of that would be.
Speaker 2: It would also be terrible. It's okay to say, yes,
Speaker 2: that would also be.
Speaker 1: So, so I think it'd be easier also because Peyton
Speaker 1: was Peyton Watson yet between twenty seven and thirty. So
Speaker 1: but yeah, well yeah, I mean, so you think he's
Speaker 1: gonna get less than Christian Brown.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna get like closer to Tari easton money.
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean that's what I'm not I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if that's what that's man, that'll be. I hadn't. I
Speaker 1: don't think I prepared myself and I probably should have
Speaker 1: for this narra in which he got less than Christian
Speaker 1: Brown got. I don't think, by the way, if that's
Speaker 1: what he's getting. You could definitely figure out how to
Speaker 1: make the base of conversation a sign and trade work,
Speaker 1: but through the Clippers have like what do the Clippers have?
Speaker 1: They have some spare parts, but in a Chris Dunn
Speaker 1: and a Derrek Jones junior that Denver might have interest in.
Speaker 1: But are you giving up a pick or picks to
Speaker 1: get Peyton Watson? I'm sure that gets Denver's attention, But
Speaker 1: as the Clippers, should you be doing that?
Speaker 2: It depends on how much you trust this last season
Speaker 2: of Watson, right, I mean, because he was good. But
Speaker 2: is it something you buy into being a regular thing.
Speaker 1: Well, even if you, let's say they do buy into that,
Speaker 1: what are you giving like? What are what is dep like?
Speaker 1: Are you giving first round picks to debt because you
Speaker 1: need Denver to make this work? Now? Unless they're dumping
Speaker 1: is there?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, okay, if the choir trade doesn't go through, it's
Speaker 1: probably easier to shave a bunch of money and a
Speaker 1: cool like the pistons are just sitting there right now,
Speaker 1: that's ready? Or what happens if his contract gets avoided?
Speaker 1: Does it stay as a dead cat pit at that point?
Speaker 1: Or is it just off their books.
Speaker 2: We need to know these things.
Speaker 1: Why. I look, I thought I thought the trade. I
Speaker 1: thought the trade was going to go through. So what
Speaker 1: what do any of us know? Is the and they're
Speaker 1: talking about it's not gonna be resolved for weeks. Conspiracy,
Speaker 1: Say Denver's in the second apron though, Uh, they could
Speaker 1: still trade. You can trade sign and trade someone in
Speaker 1: the second apron or close to it. You can't acquire
Speaker 1: someone in a sign and trade. That would hardcap you
Speaker 1: with the first apron. So but yeah, Peyton Watson doesn't
Speaker 1: fill the center need though, but he would be this
Speaker 1: team gets more athletic, which I think you could argue
Speaker 1: would also be a need that they could fill. I
Speaker 1: like Peyton Watson here, that'd be a great flyer. If
Speaker 1: you have him and Garland and Woggler, you just build
Speaker 1: some really fun units with those.
Speaker 2: M H. I agree. Who do we have left? We have? Oh? God, Repelicans?
Speaker 2: Is this the last one? I feel like we're missing someone? Blazers, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were. I was trying to make you pick the Pelicans.
Speaker 2: I think I six you name them. You can't pivot? Sorry, God,
Speaker 2: so twice in a row? All right? Um? Can can
Speaker 2: the need be like in the front office. Oh man,
Speaker 2: can we have a front office need? Just combats in
Speaker 2: front office work? Is that?
Speaker 1: Could you first just list off all the transactions that
Speaker 1: they've had this summer more? Oh god, there's been so many.
Speaker 1: We'll be here for an hour, right, Uh now, I look,
Speaker 1: has there even been a sign just there? I know
Speaker 1: that they've been quiet, but like, haven't they resigned DeAndre Jordan?
Speaker 2: They did? Is that? Really? God?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: I have our So I'm building our document, I mean
Speaker 1: the process of bringing our document for when uh we
Speaker 1: do our report card grades, which we at least have
Speaker 1: to wait for like the lebron and commit yeats and
Speaker 1: stuff to say, here's a lot, but here are their transactions. Uh?
Speaker 1: They picked up Karlo Makovic's two point three million dollar
Speaker 1: team option, declined Kavan Looney's eight million dollar team option,
Speaker 1: re signed DeAndre Jordan. End of this all right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, uh, I guess you trust your roster and.
Speaker 1: Glass Cow says, can everything be a need? Look? I
Speaker 1: think not to hijacket from you, but the two I
Speaker 1: have highlighted in theory, one of them shouldn't be a need.
Speaker 1: But they need to figure out what they're doing at
Speaker 1: the center position. Do you view Derek Queen as a
Speaker 1: five or not? And if you don't, then I like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how how the Zion Williamson tug of
Speaker 1: war works because then neither of them are five. Eves
Speaker 1: Mesie's probably not the five or DeAndre Jordan. If you
Speaker 1: view Derek Queen as a glorified four, do you view
Speaker 1: Derek Queen as someone who's just gonna continue to come
Speaker 1: off the bench, So then you need to figure out
Speaker 1: the center position that could maybe be done internally. I
Speaker 1: still like me si and I thought the vision of
Speaker 1: Derrek Queen was, yeah, the defense, he'll be cooked. But
Speaker 1: he is a five. So if it's I if that's
Speaker 1: how you view him long term, which.
Speaker 2: I I don't.
Speaker 1: Do you think he could be a four? Or playing
Speaker 1: like what who's the big he's to play alongside like
Speaker 1: Chet Holmgren basically or Chriss porzingis right, those types of things.
Speaker 2: He needs to play along someone alongside someone who sort
Speaker 2: of like him, just better defensively, because well, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: You Andy Kruz said skip? I'm assuming he said skip.
Speaker 2: The He's not wrong, but these all around big men
Speaker 2: like who struggled defensively though, but are so good at passing, rebounding, scoring, whatever.
Speaker 2: Like they need someone who is almost equally as diverse,
Speaker 2: but just in different areas. Like you can't have just
Speaker 2: you know, a playmaker and necessarily a rim runner. I
Speaker 2: firmly believe you need to have like some level of
Speaker 2: identifiable factors there. So with with with Queen, I think
Speaker 2: it's difficult because he's not a shooter yet we know
Speaker 2: the defense is a problem, so like a no three,
Speaker 2: no d center, just you have to work around that
Speaker 2: to a perverse degree. And like I'm not even racking
Speaker 2: on it because what he did this year was or
Speaker 2: last year was really good for a rookie, especially like
Speaker 2: this dude would just cobble together, you know, triple doubleish lines.
Speaker 2: That's that's impressive. So so they need to figure out
Speaker 2: how can we get bit up an all around big
Speaker 2: men in here who's just better defensively. And you brought
Speaker 2: up chet Honkgren, who I think is like the perfect
Speaker 2: fit next to Queen, but he's just not realistic. So like,
Speaker 2: who's the next next player who's in the homegrown rain?
Speaker 1: I think one of the questions first is do you
Speaker 1: trust Derek Queen to develop more offensive range, not in
Speaker 1: the sense of a more complete offensive player, but the
Speaker 1: actual range to have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I trust them. So if you trust
Speaker 2: the arrival of the three more than the dyes so.
Speaker 1: And because what did he shoot like eighty percent of
Speaker 1: the foul line or something, So I think it's reasonable
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, he'll shoot better than even looking at
Speaker 1: like from mid range, she was at thirty seven percent
Speaker 1: last year. He was at twenty four percent on non
Speaker 1: corner threes and then twenty eight percent from the corners.
Speaker 1: I expect those to tick up. I think that he's
Speaker 1: someone where the volume could tick up too. Then I
Speaker 1: don't know if you need to go, well, it would
Speaker 1: be preferable let me let me just be clear, it'd
Speaker 1: be preferable to do the floor spacing, like just go
Speaker 1: get Miles at this point or something. You figure it
Speaker 1: all out later. But you could also like someone who's
Speaker 1: a vertical space where I think could work if you
Speaker 1: trust Derrek Queen to develop that additional offensive range. And
Speaker 1: so if Jared Allen were available, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the cost is to get him. If it's just Trey
Speaker 1: Murphy straight up I probably don't like that as New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's other things if you can get a pick
Speaker 1: and Jared Allen for Trey Murphy at this point, maybe
Speaker 1: that's too rich for the Cavs as Blood, but I
Speaker 1: think you could go a big man of that route
Speaker 1: to where it's okay. He clearly does the vertical spacing
Speaker 1: stuff in a way that you don't trust Eves mecI
Speaker 1: to do so right now, in a way that Zion Williamson,
Speaker 1: just like Jim Willison, isn't like a screen and roll
Speaker 1: big and he can't be your defensive anchor at the
Speaker 1: five either. And I think you could probably say the
Speaker 1: same for Eves mec at this point, but it would
Speaker 1: be preferable if you don't think Derek Queen is ever
Speaker 1: gonna be a league average jump shooter. Let's say, then
Speaker 1: you if you want to play him alongside another big
Speaker 1: I think the I don't know if Jared Allen works
Speaker 1: as well. You could go in Isaiah Hartenstein type. Someone
Speaker 1: of theisa kind of has that flowing a range a
Speaker 1: lot of like can do a lot of stuff in
Speaker 1: the short role, but it makes it tough. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, their actual other need though too. I think
Speaker 1: it's just more shooting on the team. You could I
Speaker 1: know they have Jordan Pool at a down year, but it's
Speaker 1: Trey Murphy and it's like, what else is is bankable
Speaker 1: on this roster?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a.
Speaker 1: Question for you als. So shooting the non Trey Murphy
Speaker 1: players last year more catch and shoot efficiency second percent
Speaker 1: tile non Tree.
Speaker 2: Second percentile.
Speaker 1: That's not good, just in case anyone was wondering whether
Speaker 1: that's good. But to the center point, this was a
Speaker 1: third or excuse me, the second consecutive year they were
Speaker 1: bottom three in defensive rebounding. I would also like that
Speaker 1: they were dead last in like and this is part
Speaker 1: of like the big man thing or just the personnel,
Speaker 1: Like their transition defense needs to be more disciplined. They
Speaker 1: were dead last and transition frequency off of a misshot
Speaker 1: like that they allowed. So there's I think I can't
Speaker 1: remember who your glass going in the chats, like everything
Speaker 1: be a need. They're probably not at that level because
Speaker 1: I like Trey Murphy. They have they have a lot
Speaker 1: of like Herb Jones, Trey Murphy is a deep but
Speaker 1: actually have a lot of like nice wing types on
Speaker 1: this team, and they even have some offensive engine types
Speaker 1: when you're looking at Zion Williamson, Derrek Queen, maybe even
Speaker 1: de Jon Dea Murray is still here. But the roster.
Speaker 1: We went through this a little bit with the Kings,
Speaker 1: and it's not as bad as Sacramento, right, but it
Speaker 1: does lack a certain coherence to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I I agree we I think overall, if
Speaker 2: I'm I'm trying to take this seriously because again I
Speaker 2: actually agree with the commenter who said that everything. But
Speaker 2: I understand your point that we have to be a
Speaker 2: little bit matitious about this. It's not just the three
Speaker 2: point shot, although agreed, it's not just the front off
Speaker 2: of the stuff. It's also just a there's there's an
Speaker 2: element of, or rather a lacking element of self sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I just don't think this is a group for one another,
Speaker 2: Like I don't think this is a group that has
Speaker 2: any interest in proceeding as they currently constructed. I think
Speaker 2: the player so well aware that this project is uh
Speaker 2: is failing. I think everyone around them is aware of it.
Speaker 2: I just think there's a need drastic I think there's
Speaker 2: a need for major roster construction changes. Is it Ziah
Speaker 2: is it? Jordan Poole? Is it Deoncey Murray. Is it
Speaker 2: all of them? Probably? I don't even know the hell
Speaker 2: you're building around.
Speaker 1: I don't need is it you don't have, You don't
Speaker 1: have the player to point to. You would the hope
Speaker 1: probably should have been that it would be Queen or
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Fears. You cannot and maybe you can't definitively say
Speaker 1: that about most sophomores. They feel further away than they
Speaker 1: should be for where the Pelicans would be add and
Speaker 1: I don't view that as the fault of the players.
Speaker 1: But if you're trying to if it's not Zion, there
Speaker 1: is no and Zion probably isn't a realistic option unless
Speaker 1: you're willing to go out. Because if Zion's the option,
Speaker 1: do you know what the moves are? And I'm not
Speaker 1: necessarily endorsing these, you start trading Fears in Queen and
Speaker 1: picks to build adequately around Zion and Trey Murphy that's
Speaker 1: the move, which is probably not the move. And what's
Speaker 1: also you mentioned the nuclear thing. I think that's fair,
Speaker 1: that would be and they're a team, they can do something.
Speaker 1: This isn't the Kings where all of that, like Zion
Speaker 1: I would assume, still has appeal the issue would be
Speaker 1: how many of his potential trade suitors came off the
Speaker 1: board this summer though, like Phoenix after the Miles Bridges
Speaker 1: trade just gone, the heat Giannis just gone. You could
Speaker 1: still get a haul for Trey Murphy. I don't know
Speaker 1: what Herb Jones's value is, so they could do something nuclear.
Speaker 1: I think it's gotten a little harder now, like put
Speaker 1: like post some of these other trades where it's if
Speaker 1: you didn't think Zion Williamson was gonna net you a
Speaker 1: small ransom before, it's probably harder to find the team
Speaker 1: that says I mean could if you want to take
Speaker 1: on Paul George, is there like a Zion like for
Speaker 1: Paul George structure that would make sense? You want rim
Speaker 1: pressure in Boston?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you do you like that? Do you like
Speaker 2: to fit in Joe Masula's offense? Well maybe he's the
Speaker 2: guy who actually.
Speaker 1: Want to which is different players, but to be sure
Speaker 1: and better.
Speaker 2: But Sion at least you know he can just kind
Speaker 2: of spray the ball out to shooters. It's not it's
Speaker 2: not like an idea that's the end of the world. There,
Speaker 2: I get it. I think conceptually I like the fit
Speaker 2: of Paul George and Boston more than Williamson, but at
Speaker 2: the same time he's just so much older PG. So
Speaker 2: just the age addition you can call it in getting
Speaker 2: Sion in there, who's more along the timeline of Jason
Speaker 2: Tatum and will be cheaper than Jaylen Brown. Perhaps there's
Speaker 2: something there. I hadn't thought about that one, but it's
Speaker 2: it's not a bad idea on its surface.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know what the if it's a
Speaker 1: pick and not one of the ones you just acquired.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm assuming if if the cost was
Speaker 1: that maybe Zion's already been moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would assume so.
Speaker 1: Uh Andy cru says Zion has the shooting around him
Speaker 1: in Boston, Yeah for sure. I mean maybe some of
Speaker 1: the lineups with if you want to play him with
Speaker 1: Mitch or Kada a little touch and go, but Boston
Speaker 1: has plenty of uh the ability. They definitely have the
Speaker 1: ability to space the floor like his drives would be
Speaker 1: to be like I think the vision would be similar
Speaker 1: to what it was supposed to be with the honest
Speaker 1: it just let him rampage to the basket at will
Speaker 1: Uh we are onto the Portland Trailblazers, who are our
Speaker 1: final team. Yeah, they need a Ja Moran trade.
Speaker 2: I think, well, we definitely know they don't need a
Speaker 2: point guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think it's still I had
Speaker 1: them as a sneaky what I thought would have been
Speaker 1: like a great Trey Murphy dark horse trade destination, because
Speaker 1: I think they need that type of player, and I
Speaker 1: think they need that type of player more than ever.
Speaker 1: Now is just the like the movement shooter preferably doesn't
Speaker 1: summary in your defense, but you have look the ball
Speaker 1: handling boxes checked. Damian Lillard, Denny Avdia, John Morant, Drewalidey,
Speaker 1: Scoot Henderson, Shane Sharp can handle a little bit the
Speaker 1: passings if he you've got between Robert Williams the third,
Speaker 1: Donovan Klingen an excellent sophomore season. I even like the
Speaker 1: Brandon Carlson pick up. I think was smart by them.
Speaker 1: I haven't given up on Young Hansom yet. This roster
Speaker 1: is still kind of deep. A lot of intriguing players.
Speaker 1: But if you want, if the plan is to play
Speaker 1: John Morant and Damian Lillard together, I like you better
Speaker 1: hope the floors basing from Donovan Klingon is real just
Speaker 1: because the John Morant element of it. But someone like
Speaker 1: a Trey Murphy I think becomes would be integral to
Speaker 1: this team. I don't know, like i've even them as
Speaker 1: good enough to where they should be looking at that
Speaker 1: type of a play. There's other names that we could
Speaker 1: throw out there as well, but I have written in
Speaker 1: my notes to think they need their Trey Murphy. And
Speaker 1: I think that I would have said that had they
Speaker 1: not made the John Morant trade. And I under I
Speaker 1: understand that from a talent vacuum play, because you can
Speaker 1: give up a ton to get him. But I hated
Speaker 1: that trade for Portland. I just don't. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: And it's I trust that like emotionally, this team, like culturally,
Speaker 1: this team will be fine. Damian Lillard's in the building,
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday, super high character guy. John Morant, this has
Speaker 1: to be somewhat of a rude of like and know
Speaker 1: it has to be an awakening for him. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: not rude, but it's an awakening for him. I would
Speaker 1: imagine change of scenery could do him good. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I don't even know what their like
Speaker 1: favorite lineups are gonna look like at this point because
Speaker 1: you start to run into who are you leaving out
Speaker 1: if you think Denny needs to play and it feels
Speaker 1: like they're obligated to play jaw Damian Lillard needs to play.
Speaker 1: De Monty Kamara needs to play. Drew Holliday needs to play.
Speaker 1: One of your bigs clinging as your bass big or
Speaker 1: whether it's r W three needs to play. They are
Speaker 1: a team that could play without a center before. I'm
Speaker 1: less intrigued by those lineups now because you don't have
Speaker 1: Jeremy Grant, who didn't help you enough with the rebounding.
Speaker 1: But are you getting away playing small with John Moran
Speaker 1: and or Damian Lillard on the court. I don't know
Speaker 1: what any of the John Morant stuff augurs for Scoot
Speaker 1: Henderson Slash Shade and Sharp's future. I think, like Shade
Speaker 1: and Sharp and stuff for Trey Murphy, is there something
Speaker 1: you could build around there would do wonders for this team.
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't love the John Morant fit, but I
Speaker 1: think I think that's what they need, and look, there's
Speaker 1: the data just to back it up, like they were
Speaker 1: just not a strong shooting team last year, Like Damian
Speaker 1: Lillard helps a ton beyond and off ball gravity is
Speaker 1: just an element. They didn't have a singular player last year,
Speaker 1: but they need they need more now for sure.
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't have anything to add. You just
Speaker 2: took everything.
Speaker 1: Well, it was one need. I was just unpacking it.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate if you. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: feel a job. That's what I'm here for is a
Speaker 1: steel people's I'm aim. Really, I'm not an actually human.
Speaker 1: I'm a y I feel. There's when I hate. I
Speaker 1: don't want people to think, probably that I'm being lazy
Speaker 1: when I say this. The just need shooting, So I
Speaker 1: probably whenever I go to shooting or wings, I probably
Speaker 1: feel the need to over explain. Whereas no, I promise
Speaker 1: you I've thought about this.
Speaker 2: No you have. I saw and I know you have,
Speaker 2: and you're you're right on the money. It's because, look,
Speaker 2: let's just be real about one thing here as well.
Speaker 2: Shade and Sharp has not proved that he's a great
Speaker 2: long range shooter. So it's not just the John Morant
Speaker 2: on him and Kling and pairing, it's Shade and Sharp too,
Speaker 2: Like you just don't know what that's going to entail.
Speaker 2: So if you have three potential players in the lineup,
Speaker 2: who are you know, potentially weak shooters. That's a problem.
Speaker 2: And then you just re signed Propert Williams the third
Speaker 2: also not a floor stretching pig man. That's a problem.
Speaker 2: Like you're not really sure what kind of spacing you're
Speaker 2: going to get out of Young Hansen. You just don't know.
Speaker 2: And Scoot, Hey, Scoot as well. He's hat shooting concerns
Speaker 2: over the course of his career too, Like these are
Speaker 2: it's a fair question, Like this is on a balance.
Speaker 2: If they all have a good year, god, they could
Speaker 2: make a playoff run like or a run within the playoffs.
Speaker 2: But if you have so many h let's see what
Speaker 2: is what is the comment the needed shooting and maybe
Speaker 2: a real power for it, and they went an acquired job.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good comment. I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're there. You're right about the because so and
Speaker 1: I assume he's just not going to play a bunch
Speaker 1: and if he is, I don't know what that says
Speaker 1: about their plans for Young Hansen. But Brandon Carlson might
Speaker 1: give you the stretch because a stretch element at the five.
Speaker 1: If Donovan clingon shot is for real and he's just
Speaker 1: a thirty five percent shooter on arc threes that gets
Speaker 1: I think it opens up the like John Moran needs
Speaker 1: that openness, I think, especially when some of their most
Speaker 1: important players when you look at the percentages. Yes, Tomaniy
Speaker 1: Kamara fine shooter. Denny Avda is someone who can shoot
Speaker 1: like you don't want to take him off the dribble
Speaker 1: jumpers necessarily, but it's a set shooter. Okay. But Damian
Speaker 1: Lillard's the only guy on this roster who like comes
Speaker 1: close to being a five alarm fire relative to his position,
Speaker 1: and that's they need that at another spot, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't Trey Murphy's the name I gravitate towards. If they
Speaker 1: could get a Max Struce, a Sam Merrill even you
Speaker 1: just you can't fit him into the structure. Though I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, there might be like a shade and
Speaker 1: sharp for Miles Turner swap here, but I just don't
Speaker 1: know how many minutes Miles Turner's playing when you have
Speaker 1: Donovan Klington and RW three on top of young handsome
Speaker 1: there and Brandon Carlson. But that that's what they need
Speaker 1: to go out and get and they have. Look, they
Speaker 1: have the I would say, if you're willing to trade
Speaker 1: Shaden Sharp and Scoot Is. I'm assuming they're not married
Speaker 1: to Scoot. Now, if you have John Morant and Damian
Speaker 1: Lillard and Drew Holiday there, they have the ability to
Speaker 1: make that type of move, and I guess it seems
Speaker 1: like they're willing to make swing. I would be like,
Speaker 1: do we expect them to make another significant transaction before
Speaker 1: the other because we're kind of in the off season
Speaker 1: dog days at this point we are, Yeah, if we
Speaker 1: will still be looking to cut money at some point,
Speaker 1: so there is that to consider. But maybe Trey Murphy
Speaker 1: becomes actually available. If the Pelicans ever pick up their phone,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, we'll see, but it does feel like they've kind
Speaker 2: of said, all right, this is our team moving forward.
Speaker 1: And do you do you think though that it's that
Speaker 1: there is a there's like a layer of intelligibility to
Speaker 1: that because you don't know what you look like with
Speaker 1: John Moran, So why would you now go make another
Speaker 1: move where your team has to be more reflective of
Speaker 1: the image of having rant.
Speaker 2: I guess, but we know what who John Morand is
Speaker 2: and we know his weaknesses, we know his strength, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to go into that approach,
Speaker 2: and say we I want to see it first. Cool.
Speaker 2: I personally, I don't think there's a need for it.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty obvious what's gonna happen. But like I, well,
Speaker 2: we could be wrong, I guess I on this one,
Speaker 2: I just don't think we are.
Speaker 1: But well, because peak, even if you got peak, Ja Morant,
Speaker 1: I don't think our biggest need change. Like if we
Speaker 1: just said you're getting twenty twenty two, John Morant, that
Speaker 1: was all NBA season, right, Yeah, it's great, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: getting peak, John Morant. I think you still need well, hope,
Speaker 1: we just spent like the last.
Speaker 2: Eight minutes or so, absolutely absolutely both.
Speaker 1: Apparently overtired and forgot the Warriors.
Speaker 2: You take it. What is their biggest need, sir?
Speaker 1: They need Jonathan Kamingo back, So I have youth and athleticism.
Speaker 1: Which is kind of funny because the like the two
Speaker 1: free agents they're linked to the most is one Draymond Green,
Speaker 1: who we just expect to come back obviously, but then too,
Speaker 1: they're also linked to Lebron James, who would be one
Speaker 1: of their more athletic players. Anyway, this is just a
Speaker 1: team though. Twenty third and transition frequency or worse for
Speaker 1: the past three years. I think you're also looking at
Speaker 1: the perimeter defense. Right now, both Moses Moody and Jimmy
Speaker 1: Butler are going to begin the season on the shelf.
Speaker 1: We don't know if Moody's gonna play next year. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Jimmy Butler's gonna return before the calendar
Speaker 1: flips to twenty twenty seven, just at his age and
Speaker 1: the injury that he's coming back from. So you're putting
Speaker 1: like there's a lot right now on the shoulders of defensively,
Speaker 1: Danthony Melton, and then is Jaxel Lindenberg playing a bunch
Speaker 1: of minutes here and Draymond Green of course defensively, And
Speaker 1: so you just look at this team and they have
Speaker 1: and they still do, had a whole bunch of I
Speaker 1: think you different needs heading into the offseason they haven't
Speaker 1: addressed aside from talent retention for them, they haven't addressed
Speaker 1: any of them. And so it's not just youth athleticism.
Speaker 1: It's all right, well, Jimmy Butler's injured, Do you need
Speaker 1: another creator, do you need more I mean you can
Speaker 1: say do they need more durability at the five spot?
Speaker 1: Just now you have al Horford, christophs porzingis there's Draymond
Speaker 1: at the five lineups. Of course you lost Quinton Post.
Speaker 1: They did sign Charles Bassi. They just need wings again,
Speaker 1: Moses Moody, Jimmy Butler being injured. How much do you
Speaker 1: trust Jack so Wendenberg off Rip or Gie Santos and
Speaker 1: Will Richard to play bigger roles. But youth and athleticism
Speaker 1: over Maybe it doesn't need to be young, but it
Speaker 1: needs to be athleticism on this team, Like they need
Speaker 1: to have that button to push, and they do not.
Speaker 2: Right now, they don't. You're absolutely right, And that's been
Speaker 2: a concern for a while now, right like they try
Speaker 2: to do the whole like let's be competitive, let's try
Speaker 2: to develop young guys. They couldn't develop the young guys.
Speaker 2: They also chose poorly in the draft for quite a
Speaker 2: few years there. It's it's it's a problem. They don't
Speaker 2: really have a backup plan in this in this manner,
Speaker 2: like if the plan is Lebron great, Seemingly you want
Speaker 2: Anthony Davison there because that's what he's requiring. So how
Speaker 2: do you sell that idea to Washington? Like using Jimmy
Speaker 2: as a trade ship I don't think that's gonna go
Speaker 2: over particularly well. Yeah, I think that's a I think
Speaker 2: it's it's a complete fair observation that they're in need
Speaker 2: of athleticism and durability and just someone who can do
Speaker 2: something else. Then I run around the floor and just
Speaker 2: be an observer because I think that has been a
Speaker 2: problem for them for a long time. Just everyone looking
Speaker 2: at Steph, looking at Draymond, looking at these guys like
Speaker 2: you need someone who comes in and just does stuff.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's Lindeborg. Honestly, maybe it's it's pajem Ski
Speaker 2: in year four, but they need something. Maybe it's Gui Santos.
Speaker 2: Like I, frankly, I'm just open for everything at this
Speaker 2: stage because they are in need of having someone other
Speaker 2: than the old crew delivered it at a much higher rate.
Speaker 1: And it's I mean, they were twenty seventh in rim
Speaker 1: pressure last year, they're not when you're looking at like
Speaker 1: the way that roster's set up now without Jimmy. For
Speaker 1: let's assume at least half of the year, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna draw a ton of fouls, right like until that
Speaker 1: bar has even been low. And so I look to
Speaker 1: even with the idea that Jimmy Butler will come back.
Speaker 1: I think you look at his roster and say they're
Speaker 1: kind of married. Just their their centers of christophs Perzenkis
Speaker 1: and Al Horford. You're not going to upgrade there, And
Speaker 1: I mean maybe someone becomes available that we're not discussing.
Speaker 1: Steph is Steph. You're not going to upgrade at that
Speaker 1: spot if you're bringing Draymond back, or you have Lebron James,
Speaker 1: like your four is kind of set, and so I
Speaker 1: look at the two three spot like it's the wing spot.
Speaker 1: It's like, I feel as if what all the stuff
Speaker 1: we're talking about, ideally it would come in the form
Speaker 1: of a bigger wing or just a wing type player agree,
Speaker 1: And I don't know who that is. I mean, Trey
Speaker 1: Murphy's been one that's been mentioned for them. He's been
Speaker 1: mentioned for every team that doesn't check all of about like,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna give you a ton of rim pressure,
Speaker 1: he's not the best defender, and he's gonna cost you
Speaker 1: a ton of assets. I think you still make that
Speaker 1: move and figure it out later. But the bigger question
Speaker 1: here is if it's not Lebron James, who again does
Speaker 1: not answer, he'll give you some rim pressure. For sure,
Speaker 1: if you're worried about creation, especially with Jimmy Butler injured,
Speaker 1: he's going to give you that. But if it's not
Speaker 1: Lebron James, do you view this as a team that's
Speaker 1: gonna look to make I've asked Grant this question a
Speaker 1: but like, are they actually gonna try and make significant
Speaker 1: upgrades or do they come out of this offseason and say,
Speaker 1: you know, we were linked to Lebron and like we
Speaker 1: were kinda it seems like they maybe might have checked
Speaker 1: in on you. Honest, they weren't on his final list though,
Speaker 1: and we were linked to Anthony Davis for a hot minute,
Speaker 1: and that's just gonna be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that is what ultimately happens,
Speaker 2: because they can only put their best foot forward, and
Speaker 2: they are an organization that would probably want that to
Speaker 2: be publicized a lot that they did, because I think
Speaker 2: we've seen that every single year with them, like, oh,
Speaker 2: we tried to be in the running for blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. That's and that's fine, Like sometimes you just
Speaker 2: don't get shit done, and I don't think that's necessarily
Speaker 2: something to look down upon. But I think they realize
Speaker 2: the situation as well, like this is the sunset years
Speaker 2: of Stephen Draymond, and while they want to give them
Speaker 2: something cohesive to allow them to have a good final run,
Speaker 2: it just comes down to do other players look at
Speaker 2: this situation as being attractive? And most, I would guess, don't.
Speaker 1: I think when the bar is so high in the
Speaker 1: West with San Antonio and Okac being there, and then
Speaker 1: even you either believe Dever is going to be right
Speaker 1: back there, or perhaps you think that Minnesota's better. I
Speaker 1: know you don't, but perhaps you think Minnesota is better
Speaker 1: after the La Melo ball trade. Cald Houston just get
Speaker 1: better by virtue of being healthier having cred Van fleetback
Speaker 1: they could get. I mean a lot of their key
Speaker 1: players on my Thompson, Alprin, Shangoun Reed Shepherd aren't off
Speaker 1: the growth trajectory. It's tough because with Golden State too,
Speaker 1: they need so many things that to identify a singular
Speaker 1: target like a Giannis came closest just because he didn't
Speaker 1: check all the boxes, but it was well, this is
Speaker 1: just a clear top ten talent, and so you do it,
Speaker 1: and that's going to move the needle enough. Otherwise you're
Speaker 1: probably talking about multiple moves. But it would just be
Speaker 1: nice on balance to see them get more athletic overall.
Speaker 1: And I don't I like when you're try and suss
Speaker 1: out names. That gets a little difficult. And I think
Speaker 1: part of the reason for that with me is even
Speaker 1: if Boston made a Derek White available, now, now you're
Speaker 1: getting older and like, how much have you improved your athleticism?
Speaker 1: Maybe not enough? But has this team then, like they've
Speaker 1: not shown a willingness It feels like to part with
Speaker 1: right the draft compensation or just the assets overall that
Speaker 1: it would take to even pull off a move like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, they haven't, and that's why I don't
Speaker 2: think we can anticipate anything of substantial nature because of it.
Speaker 2: I think that would be presumptuous.
Speaker 1: So maybe they get like they do have. I will
Speaker 1: say one thing. I will say, they do have lightning
Speaker 1: in a bottle potential to where if you say, well,
Speaker 1: if Christops is healthy, Jimmy Butler gets right and Steph
Speaker 1: is healthy in the playoffs, this isn't a team that
Speaker 1: I would want to face if they have there, the
Speaker 1: top of their roster has still a very high end outcome.
Speaker 1: But it's just the odds of everybody at the top
Speaker 1: of their roster being available or operating at the peak
Speaker 1: of their powers when it matters most. It just year
Speaker 1: over year, it feels as if it gets lower and lower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I think that's partly why what
Speaker 2: I said earlier, that most players are looking at that
Speaker 2: situation and not saying, oh, yeah, I want to sign
Speaker 2: up to this. I think a lot are basically avoiding
Speaker 2: that because they could be looking at a situation where
Speaker 2: they are trying to rebuild and then they're forced to
Speaker 2: being traded and then they don't decide their next destination. So, yeah, do.
Speaker 1: You have anything else on any trade targets you think
Speaker 1: they should go after? Should they be a Zion team?
Speaker 2: Like is that wouldn't hurt rim pressure youth? I mean,
Speaker 2: those are the two things that you're outlined that I
Speaker 2: think is like a fair game athleticism as well. If
Speaker 2: there's an organization that might be able to absorb him,
Speaker 2: it's them, So I wouldn't hate it. But the question is,
Speaker 2: what's what's the deal is it? Jimmy?
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I mean financially it has to be
Speaker 1: I think this point because you resigned Porzingis Draymond opted out?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they would be.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what's there's the report that they don't
Speaker 1: want to trade Jimmy. He's just this. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's immovable because he's an expiring contract, but the contract
Speaker 1: is so massive that it's that it's inherently tough to move,
Speaker 1: and are you you have to find a team that's
Speaker 1: willing to break it. One, get a player who they're
Speaker 1: either rerouting or maybe they're negotiating a buy out with,
Speaker 1: or they're just not getting back until twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 1: and then they're also willing to send out what like
Speaker 1: two or three rotation players. Yeah your way? I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe is this the Memphis consolidation trade? They get the
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler contract, but you send the Warriors who you're
Speaker 1: probably getting off KCP in that deal, or or Jeremy Grant,
Speaker 1: take your pick. But then it's well, what do the
Speaker 1: Warriors want off that roster? It's they have they have
Speaker 1: players that I think would be appealing, But do the
Speaker 1: Warriors want Jallen Wells? Do they want Cam Spencer? And
Speaker 1: it's you know, like, what are you willing to give
Speaker 1: up to get the like, none of those players are
Speaker 1: even close to even in the aggregate or close to
Speaker 1: enough for us to feel much better about this team,
Speaker 1: or even the players I just name them, they're not
Speaker 1: checking the athleticism box.
Speaker 2: Either, No, exactly, So like, I don't feel as though
Speaker 2: the Memphis deal, even though it was to materialize, would
Speaker 2: make them significantly better, although it would improve their debt,
Speaker 2: But overall, I think this team just it needs something
Speaker 2: major for the narratives to shift, and I'm just not
Speaker 2: gonna guess that that's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: We should?
Speaker 2: We should?
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