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Speaker 1: What is up, fellasickos, I am Dan Valley coming at

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you with mister Moore Jansen of the NBA podcast, fame

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of Yahoo's Boards, fame of HBO Max fame of course

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only fans celebrity quick your next team more?

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Speaker 2: All right, Obviously we have to coach to the Sacramento

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Kings because their needs are vast many. I don't I

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don't even want to key in on something. They just have.

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They have need everywhere. This is an organization that that

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probably just needs to start over, frankly, So take your pick, sir,

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Like where do we even feel comfortable? Look, I love

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the Darius Acuff selection, but even him, like he's got

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a need need for to be able to play defense,

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because that's not something he does a whole bunch. Like

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there's not a single player on this team where I'm like,

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oh yeah, nailed it at this point, even though again

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love a cup, just no, just needs everywhere. There's not

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a position I feel comfortable with. There's not a skill

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set I feel comfortable with. There's not a uh a

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spot on the floor where I just go, oh yeah, yeah,

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they got this covered, like from the three point line

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or whatever. Like, No, this just I do not trust

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this team as far as I can throw it, and

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that's because they have needs up the wazoo. So just

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take your pick in terms of like what you think

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Dan is like the most pressing one. I'm just gonna

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go all over on this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, like a single identifiable need. When I

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was thinking about that, my notes are kind of all

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over the place. Could you, like, what is the overarching

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philosophy of this roster? Or even because you could say

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chartered exist, what did.

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Speaker 2: You say to exist?

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Speaker 1: That's just philosophy.

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Speaker 2: That's because there's no logic here. There's no philosophy. There's

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absolutely no thing going on on. This roster is just

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cashing checks, getting up shots, going home. It's this is

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the most ridiculous roster construction in the NBA currently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I still like Keegan Murray and you did

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just draft a cuffs I think you could point to

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and say you can't guarantee their pillars. But then like,

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his rookie season was a little bit disappointed me. They

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found like getting what they did out of Dylan Cardwell

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or Maxim Reno last year. Those were nice fines for them,

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but you are right, there's the only shot they have

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at a higher end, long term cornerstone right now. As

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much as I still believe a health and Keegan Murray

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can kill it, it is a cuff. And I don't

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of the draft. And I know a lot of people

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they're already getting on me about my Flemings take there.

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So we'll see how pans out. I'm assuming he'll at

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least have a cuff. I'm talking about a ton of

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license on this team, but they are pretty Zach Lvine's here,

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Maligue Monk is here. At least a martyro And is gone.

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There's this team is They're the quintessential. I wish that

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we were doing this a little later on because there

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has to be like more stuff to come from. If

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it's just, oh, we're gonna wave to Martin Rosen, then

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we're gonna stretch that salary and that's the big move

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of the summer would be wildly disappointing here.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, Do we even have more to say? Can we skip?

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Speaker 1: Can't skip them? That'd be rude. Let's go too, But yeah,

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we can make it.

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Speaker 2: Move on.

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's go to Let's go to Denver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: So they're interesting because at the end of the season

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Ben Tenzer and John Wallace had come out and said,

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I believe that they need defense, athleticism, and ball handling.

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Bryce Hopkins the number forty nine pick, re signed Tyas Jones,

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and then signed Marvin Beckley the third. I'm not sure

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which of those needs were dressed with any of those

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those moves. I think Brazil in theory, okay, there's athleticism

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resolution to the Peyton Watson situation, But beyond that, it's

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what else do they like? You look, what is the

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bigger need, the biggest the single when you're because I

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was going back and forth between, you could say it's defense.

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or four at this point. So is it? Is it athleticism?

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Speaker 2: Christian gravit guy? That's one guy. Frankly, I think this

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is the team that should complete a deal with Memphis

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because Memphis, as we saw, like twenty players on the

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contract currently, like they need.

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Speaker 1: I'll take the over on that, just.

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three million. Can you go to Memphis and say, look,

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you get an expiring Cam Johnson at twenty three million,

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will solve your roster crunch? Just give us debt? Is

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Speaker 1: What do you want from me? Because you're you're making

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your I think Cam Johnson is really important to this team.

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Speaker 2: Especially free but like then okay, then Christian Brown, but

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like then you're gonna have to commensate them, because you're

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you're asking them to take on future money.

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Speaker 1: Man. That is so so I get well, so I

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Speaker 2: Right, so let's let's see.

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Speaker 1: Let's see could you get a spencer? And like is

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Jalen Wells that's the prices that's not enough to get down.

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Speaker 2: So you have twenty three if you want to look

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like you're going into a candy shopping you have twenty

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three millions to burn basically here and you need to

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Speaker 1: Boody want well, I mean why would you? I guess

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Speaker 2: Sure, I'm look, this is a way to get some

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depth onto the roster. And I guess what can they do?

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earning fifty plus. Then you have Aaron Gordon checking in

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at fordy plus, you have Cam Johnson at twenty three,

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you have Christian Brown at twenty one. If them research

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and oh yeah, you've got to resign Peyton Watson too,

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completely overstocked with on contract unmovable contracts. Like No, though,

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so probably not unless they I mean, he could be

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before the season, he could be aggregated again, So.

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Speaker 1: But like, so would you do something that is Memphis

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can Gigi Jackson come back in that deal? Do you

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need to your swap if you're denver? Is this my asking? Too?

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Speaker 2: Right, No, that's that's tough.

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Speaker 1: I do assume it's low, though otherwise I feel as

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if he wouldn't be on the team right now in

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to compete for a championship. What I have, which I

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have to assume is still the priority when you have

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Nicola freaking Jokic on your team. Who's in this prime?

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talked to about this post the report from the Steinline

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that they're not necessarily under a mandate to shed salary.

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bounced in the first round, they're going to go into

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the second apron to keep the same team. That's what

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they keep the same team. So you're bringing back Peyton Watson,

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more than I thought it would. I'd be willing to

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throw Spencer Jones in there. But I don't know that

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I am now because Jesus the type of year he

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Speaker 1: What is also fascinating is seven of their eight most

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how they go about getting like better on a higher

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someone or something to get better, but they don't have

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the assets to do that. We're talking about can you

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a functional sacrifice. And also you're moving a ton of

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money at once. That's what they're in. Just such a

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tough spot and even trying to go out there and

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acquire depth at this point, I don't like, is Zeke

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Naugy plus a swap getting you anything? I don't like.

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Speaker 2: For this roster, right. No, so yeah, I guess I didn't.

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why do I want to go? Do I want to

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say ball handling, ball hangling?

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reliable creator. Yeah, so I'll go with that. But you

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could talk me into athleticism just with Aaron Gordon getting older,

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need that I have there is guards question mark. So

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long end of it this, like we just don't know

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what kind of quality he's going to be at when

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the ball tips off next season. We have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that player would be on the roster.

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and also shooting. Just they were the non Cooper Flag

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players were in the sixteenth percentile of catching shoot three

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point efficiency last year, and then Flag himself was in

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the eighth percentile of it. Getting Kyrie back helps, But

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I think even right now you mentioned Sergio de la Area,

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there's a lot on his shoulders then, or Marcus Sasser.

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It's just like if this team, let's they're fine because

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Naji Marshall can get downhill, Kyrie Irving's coming back. We

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know Cooper Flag can get downhill. Just even with Klay

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Thompson here, there's just not a ton of shooting. And

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I'm like, this is I don't know if that this

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counts as a need, but why are they continuing to

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build a roster where Cooper Flag just isn't the day

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facto for or the default four?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, agreed, agreed, I roster construction is a problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they have because who is there? You

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have Kyrie and I really do like Max Christie, but

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the confidence level in guards kind of drops off there.

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drop like the raw count of guards just drops off

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after Kyrie Irving and Max Christy Sasser. Klay Thompson even

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defensively is more of a forward at this point. So

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it's nemhard Dala ree. Yeah, it's the roster construction is interesting.

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I found myself asking this is a question that I

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have more. What do we see more minutes of Cooper

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flag as the actual four or Santi al Dama at

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the three.

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Speaker 2: I don't like Sanci at the three.

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Speaker 1: He shouldn't be there, but did they acquire him to

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Maybe they're not confident in Derek Lively's health, which is fair.

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Speaker 2: You're right and nobody. You're right because they acquired him.

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P J is still there. You're you're gonna have to

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play the She's there, Maurice Johnson, they drafted. Do you

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think do you want to be an interesting trade?

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Speaker 1: Not like at least a framework Naji Marshall for Sam Hauser.

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Boston needs rim pressure and I think Dallas needs another

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guy who could really sling it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you're not swing positional need out right,

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But yes, I hear what you're saying. That could be interesting. Yeah,

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I wouldn't hate that. You're still not the playmaking.

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Speaker 1: No, but the question is is how one? Because you

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don't control they do have first round equity, so let's

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be clear, they do have picks to trade. But should

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you be trading picks at this stage either like whether

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it's your own which you don't control again in twenty

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thirty one or other teams is probably not? And so

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how do you go? I am with like messi U

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Jerry said, and I think a lot of people. I

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want to see Cooper Flag and Kyrie Irving together to

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see what it looks like. But the variable there isn't

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what we see it. It's just what does Kyrie Irving

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look like at his age coming off an ACL injury?

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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, exactly. So lots of questions about Dallas at

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this point, just.

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Speaker 1: Going through the comments really quick to see if I

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missed anything that would be what is Jamal Murray for?

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If not for ball handling on the Nuggets? I mean, yeah,

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I get that, but did we look at how many

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ball handlers the Spurs had to get to the finals.

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Look how many ball handlers? Okay, see has even Nicks.

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I'm just looking at the higher end teams from last season.

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Just a ton of Josh Hart or mckail maybe not

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the highest level passers, but mckel bridges Josh Hart, like

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they just have the really good these three guys. Towns

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Speaker 2: A ball, I mean, for for a center, He's extremely

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fluid with the ball, Like, let's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah fair, So I you just you need more than

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Jamal Murray and I think Nicole Yokichen, yes, Sage. Kyrie

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isn't done. I mean, I'm open to that. I don't

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know what it would take to get because people just

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said they should trade Kyrie Irving because of the need.

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He feels like we've just spent a ton of time

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talking about and then I don't even know what his

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value would be right now. You're probably not getting a

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ton of You're probably not getting a ton of value

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for him right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so either.

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Speaker 1: No correlation is not causation though, Okay, I don't. All right, awesome, Uh,

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which teams we have left?

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Speaker 2: Oh, let's see, see we.

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Speaker 1: Have the Clippers. Let's go to the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 1: Go with a resolution to the aspiration and investigation, of course,

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And then I think they need a center. If we're

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like trying to isolate it down to the biggest need.

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I don't know what this team's direction is really in

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the short term or the long term because they don't

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control their own picks and the new lottery rules, like

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they they could be decent. You look at the talent.

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Derek Jones Junior is still there, Chris Juhnn is still here.

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But the center options Niederhauser is coming back from that

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Liz Frank injury, so I'm assuming he won't be ready

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to even start the season. You have Brook Lopez who's

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just getting older, Isaiah Jackson that the big man rotation

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here is just kind of uninspiring, right, And so I like,

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I like brook Lopez in theory, but this isn't brook

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Lopez from like two or three years ago, And so

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they do have enough, I think, just guards. Even like

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the shooting got better with the Ruy Hachimra addition, maybe

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they're not going to be the best shooting team because

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it's what it's Woggler Garland Hachi Mora, And that's like

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kind of you. I mean, I guess brook Lopez still

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provides you with stretch. So I'm pretty like glombed onto

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the center position at this point. And I don't know,

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I could say, Okay, I want someone who's going to

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give them some size and like rebounding girth there on

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the defensive glass. For sure. I don't know how you

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go about acquiring that player, because I don't think this

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team's on the timeline of let's give up assets to

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go address this need, right.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree, I agree. Everything is kind of thrown

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together a little bit at this point. By the way,

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Keeton Wagler, I didn't love him at five, but he

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needs to pop so severely right now because I just

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I can't. I can't envision anyone else Like it's they're

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trying to be younger, but like Gardland is like a

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twenty two year old anymore, Like he's approaching his late twenties.

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He has to be the guide to just kind of clippers.

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Get Peyton Watson all right.

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Speaker 1: Sam Passini fan Paige, I want to someone go make

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a Hardwood Knox fan page or more YenS and OnlyFans

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fan paign.

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Speaker 2: Oh I heard, Look, I already got that booked. No,

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it's that's actually a good one. That would be fun.

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Like I don't think they can get there, right, but

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like that'd be fun they could do.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't their latest report was because they did by

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going with Ruy, they confirmed their acting over the cap.

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But they could do a sign and trade for him still.

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Speaker 2: And there won't be poison pill status.

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Speaker 1: Well they will, so the base year compensation would be

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the issue. And so now you're roping in, they're probably

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FLEXI it's not as big of an issue as you

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know Sacramento trying to get Jayen Duran. That would just

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be that that would be terrible, or that it'd be

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like the logistics of that would be.

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Speaker 2: It would also be terrible. It's okay to say, yes,

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that would also be.

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Speaker 1: So, so I think it'd be easier also because Peyton

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was Peyton Watson yet between twenty seven and thirty. So

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but yeah, well yeah, I mean, so you think he's

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gonna get less than Christian Brown.

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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna get like closer to Tari easton money.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I mean that's what I'm not I'm just saying,

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if that's what that's man, that'll be. I hadn't. I

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don't think I prepared myself and I probably should have

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for this narra in which he got less than Christian

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Brown got. I don't think, by the way, if that's

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what he's getting. You could definitely figure out how to

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make the base of conversation a sign and trade work,

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but through the Clippers have like what do the Clippers have?

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They have some spare parts, but in a Chris Dunn

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and a Derrek Jones junior that Denver might have interest in.

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But are you giving up a pick or picks to

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get Peyton Watson? I'm sure that gets Denver's attention, But

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as the Clippers, should you be doing that?

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Speaker 2: It depends on how much you trust this last season

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of Watson, right, I mean, because he was good. But

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is it something you buy into being a regular thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, even if you, let's say they do buy into that,

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what are you giving like? What are what is dep like?

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Are you giving first round picks to debt because you

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need Denver to make this work? Now? Unless they're dumping

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is there?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, if the choir trade doesn't go through, it's

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probably easier to shave a bunch of money and a

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cool like the pistons are just sitting there right now,

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that's ready? Or what happens if his contract gets avoided?

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Does it stay as a dead cat pit at that point?

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Or is it just off their books.

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Speaker 2: We need to know these things.

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Speaker 1: Why. I look, I thought I thought the trade. I

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thought the trade was going to go through. So what

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what do any of us know? Is the and they're

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talking about it's not gonna be resolved for weeks. Conspiracy,

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Say Denver's in the second apron though, Uh, they could

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still trade. You can trade sign and trade someone in

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the second apron or close to it. You can't acquire

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someone in a sign and trade. That would hardcap you

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with the first apron. So but yeah, Peyton Watson doesn't

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fill the center need though, but he would be this

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team gets more athletic, which I think you could argue

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would also be a need that they could fill. I

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like Peyton Watson here, that'd be a great flyer. If

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you have him and Garland and Woggler, you just build

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some really fun units with those.

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Speaker 2: M H. I agree. Who do we have left? We have? Oh? God, Repelicans?

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Is this the last one? I feel like we're missing someone? Blazers, Yeah,

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they were. I was trying to make you pick the Pelicans.

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I think I six you name them. You can't pivot? Sorry, God,

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so twice in a row? All right? Um? Can can

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the need be like in the front office. Oh man,

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can we have a front office need? Just combats in

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front office work? Is that?

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Speaker 1: Could you first just list off all the transactions that

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they've had this summer more? Oh god, there's been so many.

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We'll be here for an hour, right, Uh now, I look,

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has there even been a sign just there? I know

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that they've been quiet, but like, haven't they resigned DeAndre Jordan?

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Speaker 2: They did? Is that? Really? God?

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Speaker 1: That?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: I have our So I'm building our document, I mean

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the process of bringing our document for when uh we

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do our report card grades, which we at least have

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to wait for like the lebron and commit yeats and

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stuff to say, here's a lot, but here are their transactions. Uh?

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They picked up Karlo Makovic's two point three million dollar

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team option, declined Kavan Looney's eight million dollar team option,

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re signed DeAndre Jordan. End of this all right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, uh, I guess you trust your roster and.

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Speaker 1: Glass Cow says, can everything be a need? Look? I

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think not to hijacket from you, but the two I

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have highlighted in theory, one of them shouldn't be a need.

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But they need to figure out what they're doing at

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the center position. Do you view Derek Queen as a

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five or not? And if you don't, then I like,

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I don't know how how the Zion Williamson tug of

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war works because then neither of them are five. Eves

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Mesie's probably not the five or DeAndre Jordan. If you

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view Derek Queen as a glorified four, do you view

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Derek Queen as someone who's just gonna continue to come

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off the bench, So then you need to figure out

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the center position that could maybe be done internally. I

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still like me si and I thought the vision of

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Derrek Queen was, yeah, the defense, he'll be cooked. But

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he is a five. So if it's I if that's

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how you view him long term, which.

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Speaker 2: I I don't.

470
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: Do you think he could be a four? Or playing

471
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:44,440
like what who's the big he's to play alongside like

472
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:48,640
Chet Holmgren basically or Chriss porzingis right, those types of things.

473
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,039
Speaker 2: He needs to play along someone alongside someone who sort

474
00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,160
of like him, just better defensively, because well, I mean, look,

475
00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:56,599
I do.

476
00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: You Andy Kruz said skip? I'm assuming he said skip.

477
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: The He's not wrong, but these all around big men

478
00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:11,519
like who struggled defensively though, but are so good at passing, rebounding, scoring, whatever.

479
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,279
Like they need someone who is almost equally as diverse,

480
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:18,400
but just in different areas. Like you can't have just

481
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,559
you know, a playmaker and necessarily a rim runner. I

482
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,200
firmly believe you need to have like some level of

483
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:31,880
identifiable factors there. So with with with Queen, I think

484
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,960
it's difficult because he's not a shooter yet we know

485
00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:39,440
the defense is a problem, so like a no three,

486
00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:44,039
no d center, just you have to work around that

487
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,680
to a perverse degree. And like I'm not even racking

488
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,359
on it because what he did this year was or

489
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,519
last year was really good for a rookie, especially like

490
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,119
this dude would just cobble together, you know, triple doubleish lines.

491
00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:01,480
That's that's impressive. So so they need to figure out

492
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,839
how can we get bit up an all around big

493
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,200
men in here who's just better defensively. And you brought

494
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,440
up chet Honkgren, who I think is like the perfect

495
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:12,079
fit next to Queen, but he's just not realistic. So like,

496
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,960
who's the next next player who's in the homegrown rain?

497
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,599
Speaker 1: I think one of the questions first is do you

498
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,519
trust Derek Queen to develop more offensive range, not in

499
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:26,480
the sense of a more complete offensive player, but the

500
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:27,640
actual range to have.

501
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I trust them. So if you trust

502
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,119
the arrival of the three more than the dyes so.

503
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: And because what did he shoot like eighty percent of

504
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,720
the foul line or something, So I think it's reasonable

505
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:39,799
to say, Okay, he'll shoot better than even looking at

506
00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:41,759
like from mid range, she was at thirty seven percent

507
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,240
last year. He was at twenty four percent on non

508
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,519
corner threes and then twenty eight percent from the corners.

509
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,240
I expect those to tick up. I think that he's

510
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:52,440
someone where the volume could tick up too. Then I

511
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,640
don't know if you need to go, well, it would

512
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,680
be preferable let me let me just be clear, it'd

513
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,359
be preferable to do the floor spacing, like just go

514
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,440
get Miles at this point or something. You figure it

515
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,359
all out later. But you could also like someone who's

516
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,960
a vertical space where I think could work if you

517
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,240
trust Derrek Queen to develop that additional offensive range. And

518
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,400
so if Jared Allen were available, I don't know what

519
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,039
the cost is to get him. If it's just Trey

520
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,000
Murphy straight up I probably don't like that as New Orleans.

521
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:18,880
Maybe there's other things if you can get a pick

522
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,240
and Jared Allen for Trey Murphy at this point, maybe

523
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:22,839
that's too rich for the Cavs as Blood, but I

524
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,200
think you could go a big man of that route

525
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:28,000
to where it's okay. He clearly does the vertical spacing

526
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,799
stuff in a way that you don't trust Eves mecI

527
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,559
to do so right now, in a way that Zion Williamson,

528
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,200
just like Jim Willison, isn't like a screen and roll

529
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,039
big and he can't be your defensive anchor at the

530
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:39,440
five either. And I think you could probably say the

531
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,720
same for Eves mec at this point, but it would

532
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,359
be preferable if you don't think Derek Queen is ever

533
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,480
gonna be a league average jump shooter. Let's say, then

534
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,359
you if you want to play him alongside another big

535
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:54,519
I think the I don't know if Jared Allen works

536
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:56,920
as well. You could go in Isaiah Hartenstein type. Someone

537
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,480
of theisa kind of has that flowing a range a

538
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,759
lot of like can do a lot of stuff in

539
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:03,519
the short role, but it makes it tough. Oh, by

540
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:05,480
the way, their actual other need though too. I think

541
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,119
it's just more shooting on the team. You could I

542
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,039
know they have Jordan Pool at a down year, but it's

543
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:14,880
Trey Murphy and it's like, what else is is bankable

544
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:15,920
on this roster?

545
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a.

546
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:24,319
Speaker 1: Question for you als. So shooting the non Trey Murphy

547
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,559
players last year more catch and shoot efficiency second percent

548
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,519
tile non Tree.

549
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,039
Speaker 2: Second percentile.

550
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:36,079
Speaker 1: That's not good, just in case anyone was wondering whether

551
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,720
that's good. But to the center point, this was a

552
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:40,960
third or excuse me, the second consecutive year they were

553
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,359
bottom three in defensive rebounding. I would also like that

554
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,759
they were dead last in like and this is part

555
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:50,000
of like the big man thing or just the personnel,

556
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,759
Like their transition defense needs to be more disciplined. They

557
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,799
were dead last and transition frequency off of a misshot

558
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,519
like that they allowed. So there's I think I can't

559
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,400
remember who your glass going in the chats, like everything

560
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,319
be a need. They're probably not at that level because

561
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:05,640
I like Trey Murphy. They have they have a lot

562
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,599
of like Herb Jones, Trey Murphy is a deep but

563
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,920
actually have a lot of like nice wing types on

564
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,359
this team, and they even have some offensive engine types

565
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,240
when you're looking at Zion Williamson, Derrek Queen, maybe even

566
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:20,319
de Jon Dea Murray is still here. But the roster.

567
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,079
We went through this a little bit with the Kings,

568
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,119
and it's not as bad as Sacramento, right, but it

569
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,519
does lack a certain coherence to me.

570
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I I agree we I think overall, if

571
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,240
I'm I'm trying to take this seriously because again I

572
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,799
actually agree with the commenter who said that everything. But

573
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,920
I understand your point that we have to be a

574
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,440
little bit matitious about this. It's not just the three

575
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,839
point shot, although agreed, it's not just the front off

576
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:54,039
of the stuff. It's also just a there's there's an

577
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:58,640
element of, or rather a lacking element of self sacrifice.

578
00:29:59,279 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: Right.

579
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: I just don't think this is a group for one another,

580
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:05,799
Like I don't think this is a group that has

581
00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:11,119
any interest in proceeding as they currently constructed. I think

582
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:14,160
the player so well aware that this project is uh

583
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,279
is failing. I think everyone around them is aware of it.

584
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,839
I just think there's a need drastic I think there's

585
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:29,480
a need for major roster construction changes. Is it Ziah

586
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:33,039
is it? Jordan Poole? Is it Deoncey Murray. Is it

587
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,640
all of them? Probably? I don't even know the hell

588
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,519
you're building around.

589
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't need is it you don't have, You don't

590
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,519
have the player to point to. You would the hope

591
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:45,119
probably should have been that it would be Queen or

592
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,160
Jeremiah Fears. You cannot and maybe you can't definitively say

593
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,640
that about most sophomores. They feel further away than they

594
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,079
should be for where the Pelicans would be add and

595
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:57,880
I don't view that as the fault of the players.

596
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,519
But if you're trying to if it's not Zion, there

597
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,200
is no and Zion probably isn't a realistic option unless

598
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,720
you're willing to go out. Because if Zion's the option,

599
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,000
do you know what the moves are? And I'm not

600
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:12,319
necessarily endorsing these, you start trading Fears in Queen and

601
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,559
picks to build adequately around Zion and Trey Murphy that's

602
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,119
the move, which is probably not the move. And what's

603
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,640
also you mentioned the nuclear thing. I think that's fair,

604
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,880
that would be and they're a team, they can do something.

605
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,839
This isn't the Kings where all of that, like Zion

606
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,680
I would assume, still has appeal the issue would be

607
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,640
how many of his potential trade suitors came off the

608
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,960
board this summer though, like Phoenix after the Miles Bridges

609
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,880
trade just gone, the heat Giannis just gone. You could

610
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,119
still get a haul for Trey Murphy. I don't know

611
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,400
what Herb Jones's value is, so they could do something nuclear.

612
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:50,720
I think it's gotten a little harder now, like put

613
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:52,799
like post some of these other trades where it's if

614
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:55,279
you didn't think Zion Williamson was gonna net you a

615
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,640
small ransom before, it's probably harder to find the team

616
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,079
that says I mean could if you want to take

617
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:03,599
on Paul George, is there like a Zion like for

618
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,880
Paul George structure that would make sense? You want rim

619
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:07,799
pressure in Boston?

620
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you do you like that? Do you like

621
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,880
to fit in Joe Masula's offense? Well maybe he's the

622
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,920
guy who actually.

623
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: Want to which is different players, but to be sure

624
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,079
and better.

625
00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:22,319
Speaker 2: But Sion at least you know he can just kind

626
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:25,400
of spray the ball out to shooters. It's not it's

627
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,880
not like an idea that's the end of the world. There,

628
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,599
I get it. I think conceptually I like the fit

629
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:34,160
of Paul George and Boston more than Williamson, but at

630
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,240
the same time he's just so much older PG. So

631
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,079
just the age addition you can call it in getting

632
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:45,799
Sion in there, who's more along the timeline of Jason

633
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:49,079
Tatum and will be cheaper than Jaylen Brown. Perhaps there's

634
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,400
something there. I hadn't thought about that one, but it's

635
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,319
it's not a bad idea on its surface.

636
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,759
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know what the if it's a

637
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,960
pick and not one of the ones you just acquired.

638
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,279
I mean, but I'm assuming if if the cost was

639
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:04,039
that maybe Zion's already been moved.

640
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would assume so.

641
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: Uh Andy cru says Zion has the shooting around him

642
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,240
in Boston, Yeah for sure. I mean maybe some of

643
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,119
the lineups with if you want to play him with

644
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,200
Mitch or Kada a little touch and go, but Boston

645
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,880
has plenty of uh the ability. They definitely have the

646
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,039
ability to space the floor like his drives would be

647
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,640
to be like I think the vision would be similar

648
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,839
to what it was supposed to be with the honest

649
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,240
it just let him rampage to the basket at will

650
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,079
Uh we are onto the Portland Trailblazers, who are our

651
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:35,160
final team. Yeah, they need a Ja Moran trade.

652
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:41,799
Speaker 2: I think, well, we definitely know they don't need a

653
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:42,319
point guard.

654
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:47,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think it's still I had

655
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,000
them as a sneaky what I thought would have been

656
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,440
like a great Trey Murphy dark horse trade destination, because

657
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,960
I think they need that type of player, and I

658
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,880
think they need that type of player more than ever.

659
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:03,279
Now is just the like the movement shooter preferably doesn't

660
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:06,359
summary in your defense, but you have look the ball

661
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,400
handling boxes checked. Damian Lillard, Denny Avdia, John Morant, Drewalidey,

662
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,239
Scoot Henderson, Shane Sharp can handle a little bit the

663
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,440
passings if he you've got between Robert Williams the third,

664
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:21,519
Donovan Klingen an excellent sophomore season. I even like the

665
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,320
Brandon Carlson pick up. I think was smart by them.

666
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,039
I haven't given up on Young Hansom yet. This roster

667
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,400
is still kind of deep. A lot of intriguing players.

668
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,599
But if you want, if the plan is to play

669
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,480
John Morant and Damian Lillard together, I like you better

670
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:39,559
hope the floors basing from Donovan Klingon is real just

671
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:42,480
because the John Morant element of it. But someone like

672
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:46,360
a Trey Murphy I think becomes would be integral to

673
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,440
this team. I don't know, like i've even them as

674
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,000
good enough to where they should be looking at that

675
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,519
type of a play. There's other names that we could

676
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:55,000
throw out there as well, but I have written in

677
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,599
my notes to think they need their Trey Murphy. And

678
00:34:57,639 --> 00:34:59,880
I think that I would have said that had they

679
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,079
not made the John Morant trade. And I under I

680
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,840
understand that from a talent vacuum play, because you can

681
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,039
give up a ton to get him. But I hated

682
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:12,159
that trade for Portland. I just don't. I don't like it.

683
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:16,719
And it's I trust that like emotionally, this team, like culturally,

684
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,920
this team will be fine. Damian Lillard's in the building,

685
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,719
Drew Holliday, super high character guy. John Morant, this has

686
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,599
to be somewhat of a rude of like and know

687
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,360
it has to be an awakening for him. Maybe it's

688
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,199
not rude, but it's an awakening for him. I would

689
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:33,000
imagine change of scenery could do him good. But I

690
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:36,039
don't know, Like I don't even know what their like

691
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:38,320
favorite lineups are gonna look like at this point because

692
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,079
you start to run into who are you leaving out

693
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,599
if you think Denny needs to play and it feels

694
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,960
like they're obligated to play jaw Damian Lillard needs to play.

695
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:49,840
De Monty Kamara needs to play. Drew Holliday needs to play.

696
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,679
One of your bigs clinging as your bass big or

697
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:54,880
whether it's r W three needs to play. They are

698
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,559
a team that could play without a center before. I'm

699
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,960
less intrigued by those lineups now because you don't have

700
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:03,679
Jeremy Grant, who didn't help you enough with the rebounding.

701
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:06,679
But are you getting away playing small with John Moran

702
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,559
and or Damian Lillard on the court. I don't know

703
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,920
what any of the John Morant stuff augurs for Scoot

704
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,480
Henderson Slash Shade and Sharp's future. I think, like Shade

705
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,840
and Sharp and stuff for Trey Murphy, is there something

706
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,320
you could build around there would do wonders for this team.

707
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,039
I still wouldn't love the John Morant fit, but I

708
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,320
think I think that's what they need, and look, there's

709
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,039
the data just to back it up, like they were

710
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,599
just not a strong shooting team last year, Like Damian

711
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,559
Lillard helps a ton beyond and off ball gravity is

712
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,880
just an element. They didn't have a singular player last year,

713
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,760
but they need they need more now for sure.

714
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't have anything to add. You just

715
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,360
took everything.

716
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: Well, it was one need. I was just unpacking it.

717
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:52,400
So I appreciate if you. I don't know if you

718
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,639
feel a job. That's what I'm here for is a

719
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,840
steel people's I'm aim. Really, I'm not an actually human.

720
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,679
I'm a y I feel. There's when I hate. I

721
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,320
don't want people to think, probably that I'm being lazy

722
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,599
when I say this. The just need shooting, So I

723
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:12,360
probably whenever I go to shooting or wings, I probably

724
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,840
feel the need to over explain. Whereas no, I promise

725
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,920
you I've thought about this.

726
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,599
Speaker 2: No you have. I saw and I know you have,

727
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,920
and you're you're right on the money. It's because, look,

728
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,320
let's just be real about one thing here as well.

729
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:30,000
Shade and Sharp has not proved that he's a great

730
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:32,519
long range shooter. So it's not just the John Morant

731
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:35,480
on him and Kling and pairing, it's Shade and Sharp too,

732
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,239
Like you just don't know what that's going to entail.

733
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,199
So if you have three potential players in the lineup,

734
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,159
who are you know, potentially weak shooters. That's a problem.

735
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,920
And then you just re signed Propert Williams the third

736
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,599
also not a floor stretching pig man. That's a problem.

737
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,719
Like you're not really sure what kind of spacing you're

738
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,159
going to get out of Young Hansen. You just don't know.

739
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,400
And Scoot, Hey, Scoot as well. He's hat shooting concerns

740
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,199
over the course of his career too, Like these are

741
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,719
it's a fair question, Like this is on a balance.

742
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,000
If they all have a good year, god, they could

743
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,920
make a playoff run like or a run within the playoffs.

744
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:21,360
But if you have so many h let's see what

745
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,559
is what is the comment the needed shooting and maybe

746
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:27,239
a real power for it, and they went an acquired job.

747
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,719
Oh that's a good comment. I like that.

748
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're there. You're right about the because so and

749
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:38,840
I assume he's just not going to play a bunch

750
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,679
and if he is, I don't know what that says

751
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,800
about their plans for Young Hansen. But Brandon Carlson might

752
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,159
give you the stretch because a stretch element at the five.

753
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,800
If Donovan clingon shot is for real and he's just

754
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,400
a thirty five percent shooter on arc threes that gets

755
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,239
I think it opens up the like John Moran needs

756
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,559
that openness, I think, especially when some of their most

757
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,239
important players when you look at the percentages. Yes, Tomaniy

758
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,599
Kamara fine shooter. Denny Avda is someone who can shoot

759
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:08,840
like you don't want to take him off the dribble

760
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,159
jumpers necessarily, but it's a set shooter. Okay. But Damian

761
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:14,800
Lillard's the only guy on this roster who like comes

762
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,119
close to being a five alarm fire relative to his position,

763
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:22,199
and that's they need that at another spot, and it

764
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,920
doesn't Trey Murphy's the name I gravitate towards. If they

765
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,320
could get a Max Struce, a Sam Merrill even you

766
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,960
just you can't fit him into the structure. Though I

767
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,920
was gonna say, there might be like a shade and

768
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,239
sharp for Miles Turner swap here, but I just don't

769
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,960
know how many minutes Miles Turner's playing when you have

770
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,000
Donovan Klington and RW three on top of young handsome

771
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,440
there and Brandon Carlson. But that that's what they need

772
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,400
to go out and get and they have. Look, they

773
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,039
have the I would say, if you're willing to trade

774
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,199
Shaden Sharp and Scoot Is. I'm assuming they're not married

775
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,079
to Scoot. Now, if you have John Morant and Damian

776
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:57,559
Lillard and Drew Holiday there, they have the ability to

777
00:39:57,599 --> 00:39:59,000
make that type of move, and I guess it seems

778
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,400
like they're willing to make swing. I would be like,

779
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,039
do we expect them to make another significant transaction before

780
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,960
the other because we're kind of in the off season

781
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,360
dog days at this point we are, Yeah, if we

782
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:16,880
will still be looking to cut money at some point,

783
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,400
so there is that to consider. But maybe Trey Murphy

784
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,960
becomes actually available. If the Pelicans ever pick up their phone,

785
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:22,719
I don't.

786
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: Know, we'll see, but it does feel like they've kind

787
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,320
of said, all right, this is our team moving forward.

788
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: And do you do you think though that it's that

789
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:36,840
there is a there's like a layer of intelligibility to

790
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,360
that because you don't know what you look like with

791
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,760
John Moran, So why would you now go make another

792
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,480
move where your team has to be more reflective of

793
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:46,880
the image of having rant.

794
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,599
Speaker 2: I guess, but we know what who John Morand is

795
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,719
and we know his weaknesses, we know his strength, So yeah,

796
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,079
I mean, if you want to go into that approach,

797
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:59,079
and say we I want to see it first. Cool.

798
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,559
I personally, I don't think there's a need for it.

799
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:05,360
I think it's pretty obvious what's gonna happen. But like I, well,

800
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:08,360
we could be wrong, I guess I on this one,

801
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,519
I just don't think we are.

802
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:13,679
Speaker 1: But well, because peak, even if you got peak, Ja Morant,

803
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,800
I don't think our biggest need change. Like if we

804
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,400
just said you're getting twenty twenty two, John Morant, that

805
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,559
was all NBA season, right, Yeah, it's great, Yeah, you're

806
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:27,880
getting peak, John Morant. I think you still need well, hope,

807
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,079
we just spent like the last.

808
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,639
Speaker 2: Eight minutes or so, absolutely absolutely both.

809
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: Apparently overtired and forgot the Warriors.

810
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,119
Speaker 2: You take it. What is their biggest need, sir?

811
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:43,519
Speaker 1: They need Jonathan Kamingo back, So I have youth and athleticism.

812
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:45,599
Which is kind of funny because the like the two

813
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,000
free agents they're linked to the most is one Draymond Green,

814
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,280
who we just expect to come back obviously, but then too,

815
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,679
they're also linked to Lebron James, who would be one

816
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,199
of their more athletic players. Anyway, this is just a

817
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,800
team though. Twenty third and transition frequency or worse for

818
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,360
the past three years. I think you're also looking at

819
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,760
the perimeter defense. Right now, both Moses Moody and Jimmy

820
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,559
Butler are going to begin the season on the shelf.

821
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:12,840
We don't know if Moody's gonna play next year. I

822
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,039
don't know if Jimmy Butler's gonna return before the calendar

823
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:18,800
flips to twenty twenty seven, just at his age and

824
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,440
the injury that he's coming back from. So you're putting

825
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,719
like there's a lot right now on the shoulders of defensively,

826
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,960
Danthony Melton, and then is Jaxel Lindenberg playing a bunch

827
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,079
of minutes here and Draymond Green of course defensively, And

828
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,599
so you just look at this team and they have

829
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,760
and they still do, had a whole bunch of I

830
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,440
think you different needs heading into the offseason they haven't

831
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,960
addressed aside from talent retention for them, they haven't addressed

832
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,119
any of them. And so it's not just youth athleticism.

833
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,760
It's all right, well, Jimmy Butler's injured, Do you need

834
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,760
another creator, do you need more I mean you can

835
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,480
say do they need more durability at the five spot?

836
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,840
Just now you have al Horford, christophs porzingis there's Draymond

837
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,480
at the five lineups. Of course you lost Quinton Post.

838
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,800
They did sign Charles Bassi. They just need wings again,

839
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,880
Moses Moody, Jimmy Butler being injured. How much do you

840
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,639
trust Jack so Wendenberg off Rip or Gie Santos and

841
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:21,559
Will Richard to play bigger roles. But youth and athleticism

842
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:23,800
over Maybe it doesn't need to be young, but it

843
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,960
needs to be athleticism on this team, Like they need

844
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,320
to have that button to push, and they do not.

845
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,199
Speaker 2: Right now, they don't. You're absolutely right, And that's been

846
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,559
a concern for a while now, right like they try

847
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:36,719
to do the whole like let's be competitive, let's try

848
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,519
to develop young guys. They couldn't develop the young guys.

849
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:42,320
They also chose poorly in the draft for quite a

850
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,039
few years there. It's it's it's a problem. They don't

851
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:50,320
really have a backup plan in this in this manner,

852
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,320
like if the plan is Lebron great, Seemingly you want

853
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:58,320
Anthony Davison there because that's what he's requiring. So how

854
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,239
do you sell that idea to Washington? Like using Jimmy

855
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:04,519
as a trade ship I don't think that's gonna go

856
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:09,519
over particularly well. Yeah, I think that's a I think

857
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:12,960
it's it's a complete fair observation that they're in need

858
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,840
of athleticism and durability and just someone who can do

859
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,920
something else. Then I run around the floor and just

860
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,039
be an observer because I think that has been a

861
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:26,440
problem for them for a long time. Just everyone looking

862
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,159
at Steph, looking at Draymond, looking at these guys like

863
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:31,679
you need someone who comes in and just does stuff.

864
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,920
And maybe that's Lindeborg. Honestly, maybe it's it's pajem Ski

865
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:39,480
in year four, but they need something. Maybe it's Gui Santos.

866
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,320
Like I, frankly, I'm just open for everything at this

867
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:48,199
stage because they are in need of having someone other

868
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,239
than the old crew delivered it at a much higher rate.

869
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,119
Speaker 1: And it's I mean, they were twenty seventh in rim

870
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:01,880
pressure last year, they're not when you're looking at like

871
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,800
the way that roster's set up now without Jimmy. For

872
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,400
let's assume at least half of the year, you're not

873
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,320
gonna draw a ton of fouls, right like until that

874
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,519
bar has even been low. And so I look to

875
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,280
even with the idea that Jimmy Butler will come back.

876
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,320
I think you look at his roster and say they're

877
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,480
kind of married. Just their their centers of christophs Perzenkis

878
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,880
and Al Horford. You're not going to upgrade there, And

879
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,400
I mean maybe someone becomes available that we're not discussing.

880
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:30,480
Steph is Steph. You're not going to upgrade at that

881
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,679
spot if you're bringing Draymond back, or you have Lebron James,

882
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,159
like your four is kind of set, and so I

883
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,360
look at the two three spot like it's the wing spot.

884
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,639
It's like, I feel as if what all the stuff

885
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:46,480
we're talking about, ideally it would come in the form

886
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:50,039
of a bigger wing or just a wing type player agree,

887
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,239
And I don't know who that is. I mean, Trey

888
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,119
Murphy's been one that's been mentioned for them. He's been

889
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:57,400
mentioned for every team that doesn't check all of about like,

890
00:45:57,519 --> 00:45:59,239
he's not gonna give you a ton of rim pressure,

891
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,320
he's not the best defender, and he's gonna cost you

892
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,599
a ton of assets. I think you still make that

893
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:06,880
move and figure it out later. But the bigger question

894
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,880
here is if it's not Lebron James, who again does

895
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,760
not answer, he'll give you some rim pressure. For sure,

896
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,440
if you're worried about creation, especially with Jimmy Butler injured,

897
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,159
he's going to give you that. But if it's not

898
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,559
Lebron James, do you view this as a team that's

899
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:24,519
gonna look to make I've asked Grant this question a

900
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:26,760
but like, are they actually gonna try and make significant

901
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,920
upgrades or do they come out of this offseason and say,

902
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:31,400
you know, we were linked to Lebron and like we

903
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,920
were kinda it seems like they maybe might have checked

904
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,920
in on you. Honest, they weren't on his final list though,

905
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,719
and we were linked to Anthony Davis for a hot minute,

906
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,599
and that's just gonna be that.

907
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that is what ultimately happens,

908
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,639
because they can only put their best foot forward, and

909
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,519
they are an organization that would probably want that to

910
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:52,199
be publicized a lot that they did, because I think

911
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,320
we've seen that every single year with them, like, oh,

912
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,119
we tried to be in the running for blah blah

913
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:59,079
blah blah. That's and that's fine, Like sometimes you just

914
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:02,000
don't get shit done, and I don't think that's necessarily

915
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,760
something to look down upon. But I think they realize

916
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:09,559
the situation as well, like this is the sunset years

917
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,679
of Stephen Draymond, and while they want to give them

918
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,599
something cohesive to allow them to have a good final run,

919
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:21,719
it just comes down to do other players look at

920
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:26,559
this situation as being attractive? And most, I would guess, don't.

921
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,039
Speaker 1: I think when the bar is so high in the

922
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:34,119
West with San Antonio and Okac being there, and then

923
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,000
even you either believe Dever is going to be right

924
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:39,159
back there, or perhaps you think that Minnesota's better. I

925
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:41,239
know you don't, but perhaps you think Minnesota is better

926
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,840
after the La Melo ball trade. Cald Houston just get

927
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,800
better by virtue of being healthier having cred Van fleetback

928
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,760
they could get. I mean a lot of their key

929
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,840
players on my Thompson, Alprin, Shangoun Reed Shepherd aren't off

930
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,880
the growth trajectory. It's tough because with Golden State too,

931
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,920
they need so many things that to identify a singular

932
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:05,559
target like a Giannis came closest just because he didn't

933
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:07,400
check all the boxes, but it was well, this is

934
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,760
just a clear top ten talent, and so you do it,

935
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,719
and that's going to move the needle enough. Otherwise you're

936
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,639
probably talking about multiple moves. But it would just be

937
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,719
nice on balance to see them get more athletic overall.

938
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,239
And I don't I like when you're try and suss

939
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,719
out names. That gets a little difficult. And I think

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part of the reason for that with me is even

941
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if Boston made a Derek White available, now, now you're

942
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getting older and like, how much have you improved your athleticism?

943
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Maybe not enough? But has this team then, like they've

944
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not shown a willingness It feels like to part with

945
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right the draft compensation or just the assets overall that

946
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it would take to even pull off a move like that.

947
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, they haven't, and that's why I don't

948
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think we can anticipate anything of substantial nature because of it.

949
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I think that would be presumptuous.

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Speaker 1: So maybe they get like they do have. I will

951
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say one thing. I will say, they do have lightning

952
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in a bottle potential to where if you say, well,

953
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if Christops is healthy, Jimmy Butler gets right and Steph

954
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is healthy in the playoffs, this isn't a team that

955
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I would want to face if they have there, the

956
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top of their roster has still a very high end outcome.

957
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But it's just the odds of everybody at the top

958
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of their roster being available or operating at the peak

959
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of their powers when it matters most. It just year

960
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,199
over year, it feels as if it gets lower and lower.

961
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I think that's partly why what

962
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I said earlier, that most players are looking at that

963
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situation and not saying, oh, yeah, I want to sign

964
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up to this. I think a lot are basically avoiding

965
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that because they could be looking at a situation where

966
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they are trying to rebuild and then they're forced to

967
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being traded and then they don't decide their next destination. So, yeah, do.

968
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Speaker 1: You have anything else on any trade targets you think

969
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:56,679
they should go after? Should they be a Zion team?

970
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Speaker 2: Like is that wouldn't hurt rim pressure youth? I mean,

971
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those are the two things that you're outlined that I

972
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think is like a fair game athleticism as well. If

973
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there's an organization that might be able to absorb him,

974
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it's them, So I wouldn't hate it. But the question is,

975
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what's what's the deal is it? Jimmy?

976
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Speaker 1: I think yeah, I mean financially it has to be

977
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I think this point because you resigned Porzingis Draymond opted out?

978
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they would be.

979
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Speaker 1: And that's that's what's there's the report that they don't

980
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want to trade Jimmy. He's just this. I don't think

981
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he's immovable because he's an expiring contract, but the contract

982
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is so massive that it's that it's inherently tough to move,

983
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and are you you have to find a team that's

984
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willing to break it. One, get a player who they're

985
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either rerouting or maybe they're negotiating a buy out with,

986
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or they're just not getting back until twenty twenty seven,

987
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and then they're also willing to send out what like

988
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two or three rotation players. Yeah your way? I mean,

989
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,079
maybe is this the Memphis consolidation trade? They get the

990
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Jimmy Butler contract, but you send the Warriors who you're

991
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,239
probably getting off KCP in that deal, or or Jeremy Grant,

992
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:09,039
take your pick. But then it's well, what do the

993
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:12,599
Warriors want off that roster? It's they have they have

994
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:14,400
players that I think would be appealing, But do the

995
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:20,199
Warriors want Jallen Wells? Do they want Cam Spencer? And

996
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,840
it's you know, like, what are you willing to give

997
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,519
up to get the like, none of those players are

998
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even close to even in the aggregate or close to

999
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enough for us to feel much better about this team,

1000
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or even the players I just name them, they're not

1001
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checking the athleticism box.

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Speaker 2: Either, No, exactly, So like, I don't feel as though

1003
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the Memphis deal, even though it was to materialize, would

1004
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make them significantly better, although it would improve their debt,

1005
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But overall, I think this team just it needs something

1006
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major for the narratives to shift, and I'm just not

1007
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gonna guess that that's going to happen.

1008
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Speaker 1: Do you have did we do it? Did we skip anybody?

1009
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We should?

1010
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Speaker 2: We should?

1011
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Speaker 1: I should have counted those while you're talking at one point,

1012
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But I think we got everyone. I'm looking out here.

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Speaker 2: We think we did too.

1014
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Speaker 1: Go look at that all thirty teams. Go check out

1015
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the East if you haven't done so. But morey, you're

1016
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able just to tell everyone where they can find you

1017
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and all the work that you do.

1018
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you can find my work over at Yahoo Sports

1019
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and on the NBA podcast, and if you understand Danish,

1020
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you can find me over at Busser Beater or catch

1021
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from calling games at Hbomex.

1022
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1024
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Maya though, so until next time, and as always, wet

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the shout out to the one, the only, the player

1029
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who could solve the problems biggest needs of at least

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what thirteen of the fifteen teams we just talked at

1031
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fourteen fourteen and fifteen teams you just talk about mister Frank,

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the one and only mister Frank Heldina, this small k