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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone's to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and

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David Arsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We

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love to hear from you, Molly. It's nice to see you.

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You look like you're somewhere that is not at home.

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Speaker 2: Now my home office.

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Speaker 3: I am in the middle of a hotel lobby waiting

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for my room to open up.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just going to do my best.

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Speaker 3: And if you hear people screaming in the background or

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anything like that, just let's all deal with it together.

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Speaker 1: Great, we will do anything for this podcast. Well, you

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will do anything for this podcast. Let's start with Donald

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Trump's State of the Union speech, which was last night.

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Did you get to watch it?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I did not one hundred percent of it.

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Speaker 3: I had some family stuff I was taking care of

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right at the beginning, but I locked.

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Speaker 2: In pretty quickly, right. I don't know how many minutes

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I missed, but it was like a two hour speech, so.

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Speaker 1: Well, there were many minutes two hours almost What about

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you did you watch it? Yeah, I did, sadly. As

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part of my job for many, many years, I have

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to watch the State of the Union. I find them

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generally tedious and annoying. The listing of an exaggerations and

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all that. I have to say, out of all the

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presidents who give them, Donald Trump is mostly, you know,

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is the most speeches are more raucous, They're more entertaining,

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is more going on. I still don't love them, but

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I think there were some good moments. What I mean,

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did you like it? Would you? Would you rank it?

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Speaker 3: I was over at box before the State of the

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Union and they were telling us to be ready for

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a two hour speech, and I just thought, well, that

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sounds like the most miserable thing I've ever heard. You know,

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that's like Clinton level of length. And I was shocked

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at how quickly it went by. I will say I

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tend to like political speeches, probably more than you do.

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I like convention speeches. I like some State of the

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Union speeches, but like you, I hate the way that

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they devolve into a laundry.

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Speaker 2: List of just oh I did this, and I did that,

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and we're going to spend this.

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Speaker 3: Much money and we're going to spend that much money

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and all the people clapping and cheering.

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Speaker 2: I thought this one. So my.

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Speaker 3: Previous favorite Trump State of the Union or address to

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Congress was.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: That was right after he had beaten the first impeachment.

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So the first impeachment was over the Ukraine situation, where

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the Bendmann brothers orchestrated with Adam Schiff an impeachment effort

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over Trump asking Zelensky to look into what is now

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pretty well established about Biden family corruption.

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Speaker 2: That impeachment was bad and.

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Speaker 3: It took a lot of time, and he had just

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beaten it, like a day before the State of the Union.

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He had also beaten the Russia collusion hoax. He had beaten,

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which was shocking that he was able to do that.

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Speaker 2: He had a pretty good economy. He had a great economy.

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Speaker 3: Actually, he had a lot of foreign policy successes, and

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he just knew that he was about to win reelection

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and then COVID hit.

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Speaker 2: But it was a great speech.

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Speaker 3: It was the one where rush Limbaugh had been given

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the award by Milania. And then this one though seemed

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almost like completely different than a normal State of the Union.

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It had some of that stuff like the laundry list

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of items and claimed successes. But this seemed much more

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ideological and big picture. In writing, they always say you

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should show, not tell. He did a lot of showing,

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and what he showed seemed to me to be like,

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there are two visions of America, and I'm going to

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show you the one by highlighting what's happening to America

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using these people that are selected to tell that story

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that are sitting in the gallery. And then the other

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side are the people who are going to sit there

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and do nothing while while we talk about what it

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means to be American. And so it worked really well

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Speaker 2: It was pretty.

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Speaker 3: Obvious it was what he was going to do, and

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yet still the Democrats couldn't figure away out of it.

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Speaker 2: You know, some of them tried to not show up

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to the speech.

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Speaker 3: Others tried to just sit down or to scale or

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to yell, and in the end, no matter what they did,

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it kind of played into his big narrative.

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Speaker 1: Well. Trump used the bully pulpit to his advantage for sure,

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casting Democrats as crazy people, which they are for the

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most part. I mean the inability of them to stand

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for the victim. The mother of a victim who was

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killed by illegal aliens is just outrageous. The inability for

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them to stand and applaud the murder rate falling is outrageous.

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The inability of them to the inability of them to

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stand with Donald Trump against the idea of bureaucrats grabbing

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children implying them with puberty blockers and hormone who knows

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what else, is outrageous. So anyway those are That's how

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I felt about it. I just don't think these speeches

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are remembered by normal people very much in the long run.

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Speaker 3: They never have as much of an effect as people

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in DC wish that they did, which is not the

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same thing as saying they have no effect. A few

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of the things that I want to talk about here

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would be one the siloing of information, the way people

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receive information and news. One of the reasons why the

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State of the Union is important is because it remains

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the only political speech to get this level of interest.

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So it's important people who get their news from ABC

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and NBC and CNN, some of them will watch that

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and they will get a completely different set of information

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than what they've been getting by reading the New York Times.

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Speaker 2: Or the Wall Street Journal or the Washington Post.

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Speaker 3: It's just going to be like radically different, and that

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is important, and it's not good that we have such

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siloed information systems. And I think partly what you saw

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there with Democrats, like sitting down, is a reflection of

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those different ways that people receive information. Let's just talk

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really quickly though, about that moment, which to me was

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the big moment of what happened. It was when Trump said,

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I'm going to ask people to stand up if they

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agree that the first job of any elected official is

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to defend American rights, like over those of illegal aliens.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't in the prepared text.

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Speaker 3: It was something he apparently added, and it was so effective.

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I never like it when people do that, Like in

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a debate, when people say, raise your hand if you

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think illegal should get free healthcare or whatever. Usually people

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have more nuanced answers than can be indicated by standing

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up or raising your hand. In this case, I would

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have recommended to the Democrats that they had stood up

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and politely just stood and then sat down. Once he

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got into specifics about his vision, you could say, oh, well,

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of course I agree with that. We just have a

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different vision about how to accomplish that, or of course

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we agree with that, we just think that ice needs to.

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Speaker 2: Be destroyed or something. And they didn't do.

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Speaker 3: It, and it was just it was sobering as a

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just as an American to watch that, To watch people

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sitting there saying that they do not agree that elected

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officials should care more about American citizens than criminal illegal aliands.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of crazy to watch. Did you see it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it. I think that will be the

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defining moment of this speech and the thing people remember

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probably the most. Obviously. I also I agree with you.

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I preface this is saying it's a fact. It was

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very effective, especially when you couple it with or connect

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it to the other things they wouldn't stand for, you know.

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But I too would have given them the advice. But

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they didn't see it coming. But I too would have

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given them the advice that they should just stand up.

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They look like weirdos not standing up there. They look

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like just that they're out of touch with the reality

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of American life. Yes, it's cheap stunt. Yes it's a

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false choice. I hate when journalists are like, raise your hand,

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like you point out, raise your hand if you want

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to do this or that. Most things, most positions aren't

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that simple. I also just to be pedantic. Think the

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first he said, what is the first duty of an

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American government is to actually defend the Constitution? That's what

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it's That's what the oath that they take is. But

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understand its point, and they look terrible, you know, So

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if I were them, I would maybe not show up.

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I mean, I suspect that in the long run this

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speech will become less important because people will stop showing

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up in larger numbers, and you know, because they don't

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want to be put in that sort of position. I

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already think it's not as important as it used to

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be because when I was young, at least, you know,

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you rarely got to see the dynamics of Washington in

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this way. It was a spectacle you would rarely see.

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speaking and giving speeches, so it's a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: Never when, yeah, don't you think it'll just be less

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important in a couple So there are only two more

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State of the Unions to be given by Trump, and

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after that it's going to be someone else.

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Speaker 2: And I don't care who it is if it's.

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Speaker 3: Rubio or Vans or Gavin Newsom or whomever it is.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to what we saw last night.

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Speaker 1: No, there'll never be any never is a strong word,

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but there. It will be a long time before we

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have someone like Donald Trump giving a State of the Union.

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I laugh when I when he gives these speeches because

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he's reading prepared text and then he like kind of

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comments on the prepared text. His voice changes. It's very funny.

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and he can be funny. And I thought he was.

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I thought it actually dragged on a bit too long.

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I think he could have cut maybe twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: Of it, but we're in the hour in forty eight minutes.

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Speaker 1: But there were a lot of funny moments, and he's

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always just entertaining to watch, you know, just pure entertainment value.

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Donald Trump's a lot of fun People who don't think

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he's funny are just missing the point or have no

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sense of humor. He's a funny dude. And and he's

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when he said, look at these people who aren't standing

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there crazy. He was speaking a language that a normal

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American can understand. Again, I think there's a shrinking number

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of persuadable voters. I think these speeches mean less than

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they used to in that sense. But how often does

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Donald Trump really get to go out and speak. I

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don't know how many people watch his speech, thirty million

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or something. I mean, how often does he get to

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just tell them what, you know, his perception of what's

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going on without it being filtered through some media either

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either boosting him or just destroying him or taking him

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out of context.

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Speaker 3: So I was talking to a friend who is very

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smart and savvy about politics and asked him what did

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he think of the State of Union. And he explained

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that he had a family situation so he hadn't been

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able to watch it, that he had dvr'd it and

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he would be watching it later. So I was like, oh,

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you missed out. It was a great speech. It was

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really transformative and different. And he's like, will the Republicans

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be passed seeing the law requiring voter ID And I

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said no, and he goes it.

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Speaker 2: Just doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: Like nothing he said matters, because Congress is not going

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to do anything other than handover Congress to the Democrats

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in November.

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Speaker 2: They're just they don't have it in them.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's laziness or just that Congress

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as an institution is broken and it's too hard to

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do things. But they're not going to do anything, and

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so nothing really matters. It was a depressing but probably

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accurate take on how little it matters, because you can't

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a lot of Americans who don't want those people who

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were sitting down when he asks people to stand if

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they agreed that the first duty of an American elected

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official was to defend Americans and not illegal aliens. Those

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people are about to return to power and that terrifies

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a lot of Americans. But for some reason it doesn't

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really seem to bother people in Washington, DC, and they're

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not going to do anything to stop what's coming. Probably

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I don't mean to be so that was a very

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depressing thing.

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Speaker 1: I just diould I disagree. I mean, I just don't

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think the Save Acts that important for as far as

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losing this midterm or not. I think people who care

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about the Save Act are Republicans, they'll vote Republican. I

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think the economy is far more important in how people

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view their specific personal situations. And if the Save Act

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can't be passed, because it's not that simple for Republicans

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to pass bills in a divided country with a very,

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very slim margin, it's easy to say they're being lazy

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and this and that, but it's frustrating. But I just

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think that's reality on the ground. And this is why

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making grandiose promises that you can't actually fulfill or keep

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is a problem in politics, and it disappoints a lot

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of people, you know, every two years to four years.

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I don't know where am I wrong there.

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Speaker 3: So I almost want to talk about that issue separately,

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because you're wrong on a lot of stuff. But I

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wanted to just not forget another thing about the state

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of the Union. If I can just go back to

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that really quickly. You know, Reagan was the brilliant communicator

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who started the practice that had frankly become a little

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annoying of using people sitting in the gallery of the

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Chamber where the Joint Session of Congress takes place to

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highlight heroism or to highlight good things about different Americans.

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It had grown really, really cold. Trump has done a

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good job with that, as did Clinton. I thought Clinton

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always did a really good job with using people in

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the gallery, but there was something about last night where

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it was it's just amazing the heroism of the people

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in play. The stories they told that Coast Guard guy

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who saved more than one hundred and fifty people from

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the floods in Texas, the Korean War veteran, the World

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War two veteran, the amazing story that I can't wait

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to learn much more about of the helicopter pilot who

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was shot while doing the Venezuelan mission. It was really

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appropriate for the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary to have

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people with such courage on display, and it was just

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the best I'd seen since that. Like the first time

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I remember or that I've reviewed would be when there

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was a flight that hit the fourteenth Street bridge in

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DC and crashed into the Potomac River and some people,

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even though it was a frozen, icy river. Some people

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got out of their cars to go rescue people from

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the plane. And one of them was, like, I want

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to say, like a Congressional budget office guy or a

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government accountability office guy, and he just dove in and

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helped rescue a bunch of people who were about to die.

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And Reagan highlighted him, and it was just it was

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a good story, but like I said, it had grown stale.

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You saw with this that all of these people were

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unified by being the victims of bad like either left

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wing terrorism like Erica kirk Kerk, whose husband was assassinated

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by a guy who accepted radical trans ideology and other

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left wing causes and had grown increasingly embittered and hateful

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toward Trump and his supporters, or Arena Zurutska's mom who

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sat there sobbing, which was very emotional because of these

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soft on crime policies that have been a major goal

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of the Democrat Party in cities and states across the country.

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Other people who are victims of illegal immigration, and the

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girl who had been secretly tranced by educators and nearly

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taken and taken away from her parents. We wrote about

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it at the Federalist at the time. By the way,

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did you notice she did? She was the first person

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to ever clock it in a state of the Union.

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Speaker 2: No, do you ever see the kids.

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Speaker 3: I know you have people this age, they do this

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or that, they snap their fingers, I could show they

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agree with something.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, I have not noticed that. I'm sure it

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has happened.

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Speaker 2: And she lost it, and I.

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Speaker 3: Was like, well, that's a first. I've never seen that.

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Oh the hockey team, which I'm sure we'll talk about later.

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Like all of that was so. It just made you

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proud to be an American in a time when many

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people in the media and other powerful institutions are trying

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to keep you from being proud to be an American.

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Speaker 1: I love unfettered patriotism, like I hate that so many

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Americans feel uncomfortable being flag waivers and just loving Americans

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saying that we're the best. I think it's true. I

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love to do it. Reagan had this, really or Reagan

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was the first person, probably not the first, but he

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could fuse that unfettered patriotism into his own political positioning

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and make it seem like it was the same. And

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I think Trump does a great job of going from

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celebrating the hockey team to making it about himself in

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some way, you know, so that you feel like the

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patriotism bleeds into whatever he's trying to do. And most

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of the time, you know, his goals aren't I think patriotic.

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Speaker 3: Well, and all of these issues are eighty twenty issues.

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So when the Democrats were sitting there and he said,

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and you already said that, this was like the line

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of the night when he said, these people are crazy.

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Speaker 2: They're just crazy.

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Speaker 3: Also, did you like how when they sat down, when

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he asked everybody to stand, he just put his hands

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out like, look at these people. Well, you know, he

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just kind of just not pointing at them, but just

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kind of like saying, here they are look.

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Speaker 1: Look drink. Nobody stands up. Yeah, people are crazy. I

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think that's very crazy. That's the thing. They are crazy.

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Democrats are crazy.

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Speaker 4: Does New York City officially have their first free grocery

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store under Mam Donnie?

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Speaker 5: Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day,

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and how it affects your wallet.

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Speaker 4: Gambling website Polymarket opens a free grocery store to enamor

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itself with the Mom Donnie administration. So who's really paying

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for this free grocery store.

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Speaker 5: Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

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it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Be informed.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of the so you mentioned,

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I just don't give him their names. Buddy Taggart, I

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fought on the Pacific Front. The guy at the Korean

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War was Royce Williams. I think they're both with one

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hundred right round.

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Speaker 3: Also, did you notice that so both of them looked great.

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They both looked great. I have a ninety year old

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father in law. He also looks great and is also

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an American badass. But the first one who's turning up

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one hundred on July fourth, twenty twenty six, he.

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Speaker 1: Has some trouble standing up because of all the medals

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on his little jacket.

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Speaker 2: That he didn't look like he was about to be

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one hundred. He looked like he was about to be

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seventy five. Yeah good, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They both looked good. Yeah, Scott Ruskin's the coast Guard

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guy who saved like two hundred people. I love those stories.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say something, I think he's very handsome.

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Speaker 1: I know you're going on on Twitter, on and on

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about it.

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Speaker 3: And I tweeted that and everyone was like, is what

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does Mark heming? Where you think about you thinking this

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guy's handsome? And I'm like, it never occurred to me.

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Like Mark and I will comment on people being attractive

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and we don't view it as a as a threat.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a little careful on that front. You

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can't be walking around saying this one's hot or beautiful

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and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: I acknowledge that Sydney Sweeney has excellent assets.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would not say it. I would not say that.

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I would not say that.

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Speaker 2: Probably was okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why why that's a rookie mistake? Why chance something

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like That's just not necessary? It's unspoken. Everyone knows. What

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did I want to say? Oh? So, yeah? I mean

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they are crazy. And the woman, the young woman's name

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who with the transitioning in Virginia was Sage Blair, right, which,

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actually I want to get into something else. I don't

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know if you want to go back and tell me

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why I'm wrong about a bunch of stuff. But I

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wanted to mention the the State of the Union rebuttal,

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which was given in Colonial Williamsburg by Abigail Spanberger. I

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found that very interesting for this orason. They picked Colonial

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Williamsburg because it's a you know, it's a well known

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traditional American tourist spot that inspirers. You know, it's a

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patriotic place to go. And they pick that spot, and

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they picked her because they know that they look crazy

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and that they're trying to create the perception that they

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are similar to Trump in the sense that they are

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patriotic as well, and they just view things differently. But

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they just simply are not anymore. And there's no way

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around that. So even if Trump, even if Republicans lose

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in the midterms, even if Trump loses, even if you

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disagree with Trump and you don't like it, you think

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he's boorish or whatever it is. In the end, Democrats

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have a massive problem that they're weirdos. They are a

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bunch of weirdos. They're captured by weirdos. Like, let me

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say this, a bunch of Democrats won't stand up when

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you're talking about this transitioning stuff. I believe that they

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believe that it's normal what's going on. Like, I think

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they're just captured by the fringe of their party. There's

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just no a lot of these politicians live very conservative lives.

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If their own children came to them and said, I

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want to be called by the different gender, I want

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to be injected with, or you know, I want to

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ingest all kinds of drugs that destroy my body moving forward,

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I think they would be distressed on a personal level.

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I think they're captured by a fringe, and it's crazy

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to let that fringe capture your party. Am I wrong

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about that? What do you think of these people? I mean,

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I just can't believe most people believe their kids can

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pick their gender. Am I fooling myself?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: But to get back to the Abigail Spanberger point, the

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whole game right now is to be as radical as

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possible while using your control of the media to put

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forward seemingly moderate people to affect change that you're increasingly

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radical based desires.

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Speaker 2: This is an old, tried and true trick.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you think about how one of the reasons

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why Clinton was not loved Bill Clinton was not loved

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by a lot of people in his parties because they

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worried that he was too moderate for real, not just

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not just using their normal method of pretending to be

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like a Joe Biden or a Barack Obama who did

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a very good job of sounding like they were moderate

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and then doing everything in the most radical way possible.

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Speaker 2: And it has worked out really well.

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Speaker 3: You can do a lot when you control the media

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and when you have the information silos that we have here,

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Abigail Spanberger, let's just we can just talk just about

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her speech.

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Speaker 2: You watched it, Sorry you said you did.

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Speaker 1: I right, some of it.

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Speaker 3: It was only fifteen minutes, but it definitely I started

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being like, how much more of this can I endure

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right around the time she ended. I didn't really hit

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that point with Trump for an hour and forty eight minutes.

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With her, I was like, she's repeating herself. The speech

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seemed very poorly written, and I don't think it's a

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big deal, like we talked about State of the Union.

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However much people wish it were a big deal. Is

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not a big deal that goes quadruple for the response. Yeah,

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it's a thankless rule. If you don't set your hair

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on fire, you're probably going to be okay, and she

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met that standard. But I would now like to say

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they did put American flags behind her to pretend that

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they don't hate America.

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Speaker 2: That was good.

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Speaker 3: They had a small little audience that was told to

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clap loudly but briefly for what she said, which helped

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take care of some of that dead.

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Speaker 2: Air that happens in State of the Union responses. Other

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than that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, and then she definitely conveyed the message that she

480
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hates Trump, which I think is the big campaign message

481
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for Democrats going into their meterms, and I'm not begrudging

482
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them that that seems to work really well on their voters.

483
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But the rest of it, I was like, very poorly

484
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written speech was I was sad for whoever wrote that

485
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because it was very poorly written.

486
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Speaker 2: It was very poorly delivered.

487
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Speaker 3: She seemed to be rushing, and when people rush, it

488
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,240
makes it seem like it's going longer. And it was

489
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very negative and I'm not even getting into how factually

490
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untrue it was.

491
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Speaker 2: So I was not impressed with her response.

492
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Speaker 1: But the rebuttal, the rebuttal to the State of the

493
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Union is inherently awkward and a thankless job there. I

494
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don't know why anyone does it. I don't know why

495
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they do it. I think it's ineffective. Oh, I can't

496
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:54,160
remember any rebuttal for a good reason. I can only

497
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,480
remember Marco Rubio drinking or Bobby Jindall looking ridiculous or whatever, like,

498
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there's no upside. What they should do is and it's

499
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difficult is to fact check maybe the speech specific.

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Speaker 2: How do you do that so quickly right after?

501
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't really see why they do it.

502
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I guess they have to do it, But how many

503
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people really watch that? It can't be many?

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Speaker 2: Right, So I did have a realization about her.

505
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Speaker 3: She she is my governor apparently and yours, and she

506
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ran against one of the least capable politicians I've encountered,

507
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and so the fact that she won, she looked so

508
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good by comparison to what she was up against in debates.

509
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And she does have some you know, she's not like

510
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a complete bumbling idiot on camera. But I just realized

511
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that some people have political skill and some people don't,

512
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and that lady is I do not think going far.

513
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Speaker 2: I mean, she might be nominated to be.

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Speaker 3: A vice presidential person like Tim Kaine was Oh true story.

515
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I was at this event for martyrs, the Coptic Martyrs,

516
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and this guy goes on screen to give a taped,

517
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like taped remarks to the group. And I leaned over

518
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,240
to my husband and husband and I said, is that

519
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:27,160
our senator? And he said yes, and he was also

520
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the vice presidential nominee. But he's so forgettable that I

521
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,440
forget that Tim Kaine is my senator all the time.

522
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She has that kind of like she could be a

523
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vice presidential nominee. But I realized, like Mark said, she

524
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seems very Hillary. Like Larry O'Connor on w MAYL this morning,

525
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:48,920
I think referred to her as Hillary two point zero,

526
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and I do see that. But I think she's kind

527
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of like those women in British spy dramas who run

528
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:01,599
their spy agency. They're always the bad guy. They're always

529
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,200
like getting people killed, and they might even kill people themselves,

530
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,559
but they're definitely ordering people killed or allowing people to

531
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get killed. And does she not seem like the woman

532
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:18,039
in the night Manager even like certain seasons of Slow Horses,

533
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,880
she seems like one of those.

534
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,559
Speaker 1: Women, Oh that woman. Yeah, like maybe Judy Bench's m

535
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:25,759
in James Wa movies. I don't know if you've s no,

536
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:27,119
because she's so evil.

537
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Speaker 3: She's someone getting people killed. Not a good person, a

538
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bad person. And you kind of get that feeling with Abigail,

539
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,400
like like if you heard she had aborted some of

540
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,440
her unborn children, you would be like, seems plausible.

541
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying she has, but she just

542
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,559
seems cold.

543
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Speaker 1: Like that Hillary, Huh. I don't even think she is

544
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,920
that bright. The problem with her is she ran this

545
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,160
campaign against a hapless Republican here in Virginia, but also

546
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a hapless Republican party, right, and they which this is

547
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,279
an important state. You think that the Republican Party would

548
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:10,039
be more confident here, they were running the state, they

549
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had a popular governor. And this is how it ends up.

550
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,599
But anyway, I to test people who are frauds, like

551
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I don't like Mum Donnie. I don't like a lot

552
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,079
about Mum Donnie. I think he's a bad guy and

553
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:23,039
all that, but he's an honest guy about what he

554
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:27,240
wants to accomplish and do. Spamberger was never ever put

555
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in at a position where she had to actually had

556
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to explain her ideology or her positions in any way,

557
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,880
she still hasn't answered the question of whether she thinks

558
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,160
that boys should be able to play in girls' sports,

559
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,200
and she didn't have to answer any questions. And to me,

560
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,799
like she just got to run this pretend moderate campaign

561
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:47,559
and now we see we're going to pay the price

562
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:50,319
in Virginia. She's going to help destroy the state. Probably.

563
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I would say she's amongst the most left wing governors

564
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,559
in the country right now. Right I mean, I don't

565
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:01,160
see anything that she wouldn't do that they're not doing

566
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,160
in California, for instance, or in Maryland or places like that,

567
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:11,200
gun control, environmental stuff, not kicking Ice out but refusing

568
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,279
to help Ice with a legal immigration. I mean, I

569
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,839
can't think of a single area where's not just a

570
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full blown leftist.

571
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Speaker 3: And a year ago we did have a Republican governor,

572
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lieutenant governor, and attorney general. And under Abigail Spandberger's leadership

573
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and the Democrats supermajority in Virginia, they're about to redistrict

574
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:42,000
the state to have ten Democrat seats and one Republican

575
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seat in Congress. This is a state that last year

576
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was controlled by Republicans. This is a good segue David

577
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:55,160
back to the Save Act. Yes, passing the Save Act

578
00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:01,559
would be difficult, That's true. It is frustrating to Republican

579
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,920
voters that when faced with difficulty, their elected leaders seem

580
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to just say, hey, it's.

581
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Speaker 2: Difficult, we can't do this.

582
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Speaker 3: And then they look over it like Virginia, and they

583
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see that Democrats like they might be completely down and

584
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out a year ago, and then they do what it

585
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takes to kind of get into a position to actually

586
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,160
do something with their power. I think Republicans think that

587
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when you have power, your job is to do as

588
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little as possible and go unnoticed in the hopes that

589
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,119
maybe people won't reelect you. And there's a different vision

590
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,319
that you actually should try to at the very least

591
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,960
debate the underlying issues, and debate you might lose, but

592
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you also will help educate the people.

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Speaker 2: And what's frustrating for a lot of people is that

594
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the Senate.

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Speaker 3: Is supposed to be the debating body, and the Save

596
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,720
Act is a great thing to debate. It is an

597
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eighty twenty issue. You might be in the twenty side

598
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of things there, but the Act, which involves all sorts

599
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:10,079
of like cleaning up of time and manner of elections

600
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,480
just strongly supported by American people, but will probably not

601
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,800
pass the Republican Senate for a variety of reasons, including

602
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,480
the difficulty of passing the bill now. John Thune said

603
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today they will be having a vote on it, but

604
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I'm not sure if he was clear on whether they're

605
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going to really vote on it or if they're going

606
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,960
to just do a cloture vote and let things continue

607
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,079
as they happen without actual debate.

608
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Speaker 1: I liked how you snuck in that I was on

609
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maybe on the twenty side of this debate, and.

610
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Speaker 2: I don't know, actually, well, I think so.

611
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Speaker 1: I've always I am always worried about any kind of

612
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nationalized laws having to do with elections for reasons of

613
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because I just don't know that it's the right or

614
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constitutional thing to do. I'm kind of torn on this one, honestly,

615
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So I don't know. But I do know that any

616
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:10,679
bill that weakens the filibuster as it is, the zombie filibuster,

617
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I do not support at all. I think the Senate

618
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,239
should always have to get sixty votes to do any

619
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,400
kind of national reform that doesn't have to do with

620
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:25,519
fiscal matters. So not against IDs I think ideas are

621
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:27,880
the bare minimum a person should have to have to

622
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,880
vote in this country.

623
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are two separate things here.

624
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Speaker 3: One is the substance of the Save Act and the

625
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,280
other thing is the procedure for the Save Act. So

626
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on the substance issues, I actually agree with you that

627
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,400
states are constitutionally the bodies that should be setting almost

628
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:49,960
all issues related to elections. There are some exceptions that

629
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,400
have already long been legislated. I mean, you have military

630
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,760
ballots in every state in the Union, you have overseas

631
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,280
bad that's coming into every state in the Union, and

632
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,760
you have citizenship issues affecting every state in the Union

633
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,960
for federal office, right, And so SAVEAC deals with those

634
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,880
types of things which are and have long been considered

635
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:18,400
federal issues, as opposed to how states should have some

636
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,159
you know, just constitutionally speaking, they have some leeway in

637
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how they set elections, and then the.

638
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Speaker 2: Issue of how to pass it.

639
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Speaker 3: The thing that I have been so confused by is

640
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:44,280
that you say that if the Senate were forced to

641
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:48,360
actually engage in a filibuster, that that would be killing

642
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,239
the filibuster.

643
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: Correct.

644
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: That seems these people are crazy. That seems crazy.

645
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Speaker 1: Now it kills the filibuster. Or compelling people to speak

646
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,800
is fine. Compelling people to speak because you know it

647
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,519
will make the situation. It will create a situation where

648
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:17,480
you know that the filibuster will have to die because

649
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nothing else can get done, or you know that it

650
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,039
will exhaust itself at some point, so you can circumvent

651
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,639
the need to get sixty votes to stop debate is

652
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going to kill the filibuster. Other mechanisms have had this idea.

653
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,840
Joe Biden had this idea. Not a single Republican supported

654
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,800
him years ago. I forget what Senator in twenty eleven,

655
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,840
I think had the same idea using different means, but

656
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:49,119
like you know, mechanisms. But in the end, the point is,

657
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or no Republican would want to do it is to

658
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,480
circumvent getting to sixty. And I think in the long

659
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run that is going to be something that Republicans will greatly,

660
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:04,920
greatly regret. Now, let me ask you this quickly and

661
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,440
you can talk about that as well. Do you think

662
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that passing the Save Act will change a single election

663
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,119
victory or loss in the entire country? Do you think

664
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that there are enough illegal Listen, I told you I'm before,

665
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no illegal should vote. But do you think that there's

666
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actually elections that Republicans have lost because there are enough

667
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:29,119
illegals to change the results of an election. I mean

668
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a lot of people seem to believe that, and I

669
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just have never seen a district where that's ever happened.

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Speaker 2: So the number one issue affecting.

671
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Speaker 3: The country because of the influx of illegal aliens as

672
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it relates to voting is actually the allocation of congressional districts.

673
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I actually think I was on live television when I

674
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learned that we allocate districts according to how many people

675
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live there legal, illegal, alien, criminal, whatever.

676
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Speaker 2: Like it's just bodies around.

677
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Speaker 3: This gives a huge structural advantage to Democrats and elections

678
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that they have been able to use, you know, quite strongly.

679
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,199
As far as how many people are illegal voting, I

680
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,360
do think that Trump and others overstate how many illegal

681
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,079
aliens are voting. But I only say that because he

682
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says things like, you know, tens of thousands of illegals voting.

683
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What I wish people understood is that election fraud is

684
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almost never investigated, and that there are strong restrictions on

685
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how to investigate that fraud. Almost everything is in the

686
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,719
game is about how you set up the system.

687
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Speaker 2: On the front end.

688
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Speaker 3: In certain places, it's actually illegal to investigate fraud. There

689
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,960
are certain communities that you're not allowed to investigate or

690
00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:01,760
you lose your own ability to do like get out

691
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,840
the vote operations or election day oversight. So after the

692
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,239
fact is a loser's game, and we don't really know

693
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how many problems there are, in part because it's very

694
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difficult to determine once ballots have been separated from the voter,

695
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which is early and often. Election administration has been a

696
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,000
game run by the Democrat Party for decades, and the

697
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Republican Party is starting to finally say, oh wait, we

698
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,840
have let things get out of control. You have a

699
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:43,480
lot of insecure balloting operations and insecure voter registration operations.

700
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So a bigger issue could be, for example, so ten

701
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percent of the American population moves in a given year,

702
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and that means that if you are registered at one

703
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place and then you move, you're supposed to register at

704
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the new place, but you're probably still considered active at

705
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the old place.

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Speaker 2: And there is a.

707
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Speaker 3: Certain percentage of people that will just vote in both places,

708
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but that's pretty small. The bigger issue is when you

709
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have rampant, uncontrolled mail out ballots. So a lot of

710
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,159
the people who move a lot tend to be in

711
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areas that are in Democrat controlled areas. And so let's

712
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say there's like an apartment building in Vegas or Philadelphia

713
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and people are moving a lot and one, you know,

714
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:28,719
one apartment building could get that has like let's say

715
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,840
it has one hundred units, might get four hundred ballots,

716
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and you're counting on people to not be filling out

717
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some of those ballots, particularly people might have a financial

718
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,000
incentive to fill out some of those ballots, to file them.

719
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And again, very difficult to determine fraud, just very very

720
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,480
difficult cleaning up some of these things. Making sure that

721
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:55,840
people have proper id to be registered to vote is

722
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,519
a great way to just kind of rein in some

723
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:02,400
of the problems they are happening with rampant mail out balloting.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

725
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: I agree, yes, And I agree with all of that.

726
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,519
Speaker 3: Usually only find out election fraud in Democrat on Democrat violence,

727
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,280
which so like there'll be a contested primary in Philadelphia

728
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,840
or New Jersey or Massachusetts and there's ballot stuffing going

729
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,719
on in the primary, it would be insane to think

730
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,320
there's ballot stuffing going on in a primary and not

731
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:28,400
that the same people doing that are not doing it

732
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,480
in a general for a different cause. And we usually

733
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,199
only detected for intra party violence. But because Republicans tend

734
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,199
not to control, it's not because Republicans are better people

735
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,639
than Democrats per se. They just tend to be less

736
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:47,519
in control of high density areas where fraud is easier

737
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to make happen.

738
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Speaker 1: I'm a radical on voting. I don't believe that we

739
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,480
should have any mail in ballots except for the elderly

740
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:59,639
and infirmed. I think there should be a day where

741
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,599
we go vote. I don't believe in early voting. I

742
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:04,960
think that you should have to prove citizenship. If you

743
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:09,199
can't perform that basic level of show that basic level

744
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,880
of competence, you shouldn't be making decisions for the rest

745
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,760
of us. I am I think people should take tests

746
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,119
to vote, I mean everyone, And so I am with

747
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,239
you on I mean, I'm not saying you're you agree

748
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,320
with all that. I do think though, that some Republicans,

749
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,039
Donald Trump leading the charge, have convinced a lot of

750
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:31,559
people that every election where we you know, is that

751
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:35,239
they lose is stolen, or people are cheat have cheated

752
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,000
them in some way. So the number one reason I

753
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:42,000
do believe that we should have a citizen or you know,

754
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:45,320
proof of ID before voting is so that the American

755
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,519
people can believe that they've had an election that that

756
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,280
was you know, that matters, that is real, that no

757
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,840
one cheated in that the people who run the country

758
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,079
were elected fairly. That's the most important thing. So that's

759
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,519
why I'm on the fence about the same Act as

760
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:03,000
far as the nationalization part of it. But I agree

761
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:06,559
with everything you said. Obviously, Democrats want this because in

762
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,840
the long run, they want them. They want districts to

763
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,480
be counted with illegals in them. They believe those illegals

764
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:17,519
will one day be able to vote, and they don't

765
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:20,760
mind a little cheating. I get all that, but there

766
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,039
are also other issues why Republicans can't pass bills sometimes,

767
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:25,840
and it seems like just calling them a bunch of

768
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,400
cowards every time you don't get your way, not you general,

769
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,639
is just not really dealing in reality. I think it's

770
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,320
just frustration that the system quite often, which we see

771
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,960
a lot of, And.

772
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Speaker 3: Okay, I feel like I would be repeating if I

773
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,519
kept saying that, I don't think that filibustering something would

774
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,639
kill the filibuster. I don't have strong opinion on how

775
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:51,760
to get things done, but I see no problem with

776
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,599
actually letting the Senate debate.

777
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: They should debate so much more.

778
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Speaker 3: Ben Sass, who's been talking a lot about his a

779
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,559
pancreatic cancer diagnosis and how he will be dying sooner

780
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:08,440
than he expected, had talked a lot about this, The

781
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,719
importance of actually letting the Senate debate issues, having people

782
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,079
be forced to explain their position. It's even sad to me,

783
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:18,599
I will say again, Mitch McConnell did a very good

784
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,960
job with his floor speeches of explaining his position. Chuck

785
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,719
Schumer does a ridiculously poor job. It's an embarrassment to

786
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,840
the body that you don't have more people being thoughtful

787
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:36,039
in how they argue or try to persuade their colleagues.

788
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Speaker 2: And I wish we saw much more of it.

789
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: But there was another topic we were going to talk

790
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,719
about that I felt like could be.

791
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: Segued to from there.

792
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,599
Speaker 1: Do you believe that a filibuster in whatever forum should

793
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:54,039
be able to go on infinitely without any anim No,

794
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:54,880
so like if.

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Speaker 3: The people who wanted to who want to actually say, Okay,

796
00:45:57,639 --> 00:45:59,480
if you're going to filibuster, you have to filibuster.

797
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,199
Speaker 2: It doesn't go on without end. It goes on.

798
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: Everyone has an opportunity to give two speeches and then

799
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:05,960
it ends.

800
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: And that seems fair.

801
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,679
Speaker 3: Like if you're going to make if you're going to

802
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,599
make it difficult, like that's okay, but at the end

803
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,639
we will vote.

804
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely I think put.

805
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: Your body on the line, you know, like we're going

806
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,639
to actually be there, We're going to have to do it.

807
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: So you're just you're working around, you're working around the filibuster.

808
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,480
In the end, they'll do that. You'll wait a month.

809
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: Can I see something, David.

810
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:33,199
Speaker 3: More than more than anything, more than a filibuster or

811
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,000
a sixty vote threshold or anything. I just care about

812
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,800
America and i want America to be saved. And I'm

813
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,599
very worried about the brokenness of Congress. I worry that

814
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,039
people are protecting like things that don't matter so much

815
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:53,639
that I'm not saying that like that these procedures and

816
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:56,880
whatnot aren't important and don't matter. Although I think most

817
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,760
of the people who are trying to avoid forcing and

818
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,159
havertual filibuster are really just more trying to work on

819
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,840
legislation that they would prefer be passed or appointments that they.

820
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Speaker 1: Might I would say, I love America, and for me,

821
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,559
there are almost there's almost nothing more important than keeping

822
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:23,159
the anti majoritarian Senate intact so that it cannot do

823
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,079
Obama cares over and over the instability that will come

824
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,760
from that, from huge reforms, back and forth every time

825
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,800
someone wins the presidency or the Senate. The filibuster is

826
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,400
virtually the zombie. Filibuster is virtually the only thing preserving

827
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:44,719
federalism in this country. We are headed towards an incredibly

828
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,079
destructive path. You keep saying that you want them. There

829
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:50,840
is a time limit on that filibuster. It will exhaust

830
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,679
itself and then people will pass by mere majority massive reforms.

831
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,440
You don't think Democrats will do that. If they can

832
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,199
using the same why would you allow and create Oh?

833
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,159
Speaker 2: Actually, I assume demoscrats will.

834
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Speaker 3: I assume Democrats will get rid of the filibuster at

835
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the moment there.

836
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,639
Speaker 1: But I heard this before and they couldn't. I don't

837
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:13,199
know what they're going to do. We can't tell the future.

838
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,119
You may be right. But even if you were right,

839
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,920
they would immediately overturn the Save Act. That's like the

840
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:25,000
first thing they would do. So why set the parameters

841
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:28,039
for them. It doesn't make any sense to me. I know,

842
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:30,039
people get so mad when I say this. I am

843
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a zombie filibuster fan. It should go on. I want

844
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sixty people.

845
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Speaker 2: Real filibuster, real filibusters better.

846
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,079
Speaker 1: I would like if there was some way to preserve

847
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:41,920
it in the sense that people would have to debate

848
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:44,480
and it would not ever exhaust itself. That would be

849
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,639
fine by me. I just don't I don't want the Senate.

850
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,920
Oh yeah, but the Save Act won't pass then, and listen.

851
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,960
I get it. I get why Republicans feel like Democrats

852
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,800
do whatever they want and break all the all the time,

853
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,960
and why should they have to follow the same sorts

854
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,320
of rules. They're going to get screwed over in the end.

855
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,800
And maybe it's true, maybe it's not. History is not

856
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,639
that simple. Democrats had both houses, Democrats had the presidency,

857
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,360
and they had a really hard time getting anything done.

858
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,079
There's a political price to pay for destroying the philibuster

859
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,840
zombie filibuster. In my view, I don't know why Republicans

860
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,960
should pay that price and let Democrats do it if

861
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,960
they want to. I don't know that they will. Maybe

862
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,679
they'll have to moderate themselves because they're not winning states.

863
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:32,000
In other ways, I don't know what the future holds,

864
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:38,360
and neither does anyone else. That's all I'm saying, Molly,

865
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,159
what else do we have? Oh, you want to talk

866
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:43,320
a little bit about the Supreme You want to talk

867
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:49,199
a little bit about the Supreme Court striking down some

868
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:56,760
many of the President's tariffs in learning resources versus Trump.

869
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Speaker 2: It was.

870
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Speaker 1: It was a decision that saw Gorsuch and amy Cony

871
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,480
Barrett side with the Lib justices. I should say it verse.

872
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:13,400
The Lib justices will always side with whatever they think

873
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,519
hurts the President Donald Trump. The conservative justice so called

874
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:21,599
conservative justices will, in my view, typically give good faith

875
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,320
readings of the Constitution as they see it. I have

876
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,599
a hard time saying that this time I have to

877
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:29,079
be honest with you. But whenever Clarence Thomas takes a

878
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:32,239
position that I disagree with, I feel like I have

879
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,920
to take that very seriously. I loved Gorsuch's opinion, and

880
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,280
I feel like the Constitution in some sense was upheld here.

881
00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:44,960
I think you disagree with me, not entirely.

882
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: I was expecting the Supreme Court to rule against Trump's tariffs.

883
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,079
But when the case was first brought, people thought it

884
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:57,000
would be like a They were acting like it was

885
00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:03,119
just an insane idea that these night withstand Supreme Court scrutiny.

886
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:07,320
And as it took, you know, month after month after

887
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,239
month for the case to finally be for the decision

888
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,480
to be handed down, I think it did show how

889
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:18,840
complicated things are. It was a mess of an opinion

890
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,639
from the court in that you had. It was kind

891
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:27,719
of a three three three thing, but two of the

892
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:33,159
threes agreed in the judgment. So there was a coalition

893
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:39,559
of three mostly a coalition of three conservatives Roberts, Barrett,

894
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:42,039
and Gorsich, and then then were the three Libs. And

895
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:46,719
then and Roberts wrote the opinion for the court, but

896
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there were a ton of concurrences, and then Kavanaugh wrote

897
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:57,039
the dissent and Thomas wrote a concurrence. And I think

898
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:04,159
the complicated nature of the decision shows there's just it's

899
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:05,039
a complicated issue.

900
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 2: I mean Thomas's.

901
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,639
Speaker 3: Concurrence to the descent, however you say that he was

902
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,119
he had some really interesting things to say in there

903
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,559
about how the Framers understood duties and tariffs as being

904
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:24,880
separate from taxes, how and exactly why he disagreed with

905
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,760
the majority opinion. A lot of people said, oh, well,

906
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,280
Alito and Thomas, they just sided with Trump because that's

907
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,519
what they do. And you know, Thomas pointed out that

908
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,920
he was arguing the same thing he had argued in

909
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,519
twenty fifteen on one of the issues that he'd brought

910
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:45,719
to light. So say what you want about Thomas, he's

911
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,920
he tends to be extremely consistent in how he judges

912
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these things.

913
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Speaker 2: I did not.

914
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:57,559
Speaker 3: I found Gorsich's argument the most compelling of the mess

915
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:01,239
and the majority, but he kind of did it alone.

916
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,800
And that also speaks to the how persuasive he was

917
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,320
in what he was saying. And I find his attitude

918
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:16,559
to be a little peacocky, but I don't hate it.

919
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:20,400
I just wonder if he wouldn't be more persuasive. If

920
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:26,480
he were, I just wish, I wish maybe he would

921
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,719
try to be more persuasive.

922
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,519
Speaker 2: I think I think that would work well for him

923
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:31,039
on the court going forward.

924
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:35,119
Speaker 1: I loved his opinion so much. I mean, I just

925
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:37,159
think he's a fantastic writer. I don't know if you.

926
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: Agree with you very clear, he's very clear.

927
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:42,199
Speaker 1: Yes, in his little section there where he actually speaks

928
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,760
to voters directly about the frustration of the deliberative process

929
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,719
of governance and all of that. I thought it was

930
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,760
maybe it's peacocky. I don't know. I liked it a lot.

931
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:55,280
I wish people would read that. I guess there are

932
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,800
two things. There is the narrow question of whether, ever

933
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:02,760
whether the emergency law allows Trump to do what he did.

934
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,840
And then there was what Kavanaugh did, which it was

935
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,480
my I'm not an expert, I'm not a lawyer, but

936
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:11,679
it was my least favorite opinion of his. I mean,

937
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,400
I just think he got the economics of it all wrong,

938
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:17,880
and he didn't argue.

939
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:19,639
Speaker 2: He didn't argue the economicy.

940
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: He took up his contention that I wish I had

941
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,800
it in front of me, but Donald Trump, he simply

942
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:31,679
took whatever Donald Trump or the administration said tariffs were

943
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,559
for emergencies and so on, which were clearly not. Now

944
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,840
I know that's not what they ruled on, but the

945
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,840
basis of his understanding of why we're using tariff's was fictional.

946
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,559
I mean, the idea that we're you know, Donald Trump

947
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:46,320
only a few weeks ago said he raised tarifs on

948
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,320
Switzerland because he didn't like the tone of the of

949
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,840
the former president. I mean, his claim that we are

950
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,119
in some kind of economic emergency, or his acceptance of

951
00:54:55,159 --> 00:54:59,679
that claim was totally I think nuts and Thomas's thing.

952
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:02,000
I don't think his history was right. I'm not a

953
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:05,360
historian either, but I just don't think that his history

954
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,719
of tariff's are right. But anyway, just above all that,

955
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,159
I want to say this that there is no conception

956
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:13,960
of the founding. I don't think where they envision the

957
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,320
president of the United States unilaterally putting tariffs on every

958
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,559
single country on the planet for whatever reason he came

959
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:25,239
up with, without any input from Congress, ever, in perpetuity.

960
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,639
That is simply not comport with the view of the founders.

961
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,199
I don't really care what anyone else tells.

962
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:37,119
Speaker 3: Me, so you should actually care when Clarence Thomas tells

963
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,360
you otherwise. Let me just first off say, if Clarence

964
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,760
Thomas and Samuel Alito disagree, then you are allowed to

965
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,320
take a position different from them.

966
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 2: When they agree. They they're just right.

967
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,679
Speaker 3: That much of the time they have like, I trust

968
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,960
A Thomas and an Alito together more than I trust

969
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,239
any two other together. Now, if you read Thomas's you

970
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:08,199
did read Thomas's thing. So he emphasizes how from the Founding,

971
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:11,239
according to the definitions that were used at the time

972
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:16,199
of the Founding, absolutely tariffs would be separate from taxation.

973
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,800
I also thought it was really interesting how he talked

974
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:24,880
about the delegation of legislative authority and how to distinguish

975
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:28,559
again using an understanding of the Founding between core legislative

976
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,280
duties and things that Congress does that are more executive

977
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:38,440
in nature. That was tremendously interesting history, I thought there.

978
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:41,719
And then Kavanaugh, I thought, wrote, like, it's not a

979
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:47,760
constitutional opinion so much as an understanding of statute and precedent.

980
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:50,039
Speaker 2: And he did a really good job of.

981
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 3: Showing how at the time that that law was passed,

982
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,079
immediately on the hills of Nixon doing some stuff with tariffs,

983
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,639
what the understanding would have been at the time. And

984
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:03,559
he flat out says, I may not agree with this

985
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,559
as a matter of policy, but just as a matter

986
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:08,559
of statute and history, and President Trump had the right

987
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:10,920
to do this. Now you can disagree with that, but

988
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,800
it was a solid argument, and I thought it was

989
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:18,400
like a really masterful dissection of the majority opinion.

990
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: And also, I don't think there's anything wrong with.

991
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,599
Speaker 3: Deferring to the president on what is an emergency in

992
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:30,119
a foreign policy context, and that, of course is a

993
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:34,280
major contention of the dissenting justices. We defer to the

994
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:40,280
president on foreign policy issues by definition, so tariffs are

995
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,880
a foreign policy issue, and so there's just a different

996
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,360
approach now. I liked what Sarah Isger said in The

997
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,559
New York Times about how the vision of the Roberts

998
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:56,280
Court is to return the executive branch to the authority

999
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:01,880
of the president, but to make that branch smaller and

1000
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,400
less significant. And that's a way to understand a lot

1001
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,599
of the different rulings over the recent years under Trump.

1002
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:13,920
I think that's also likes a it's a logical approach

1003
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:20,360
and argument as well. And it was an interesting, interesting,

1004
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,840
but long decision. And I did think it was funny

1005
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,519
that neither so my R nor Alito weighed in, but

1006
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:27,400
everyone else did.

1007
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:31,199
Speaker 1: Uh. Jase said a lot, and I forget what I

1008
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:33,800
wanted to say. Yes, sorry, no, no, I mean it's

1009
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,880
not clearly a foreign policy question because the import taxes

1010
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,519
are collective from American companies. That's first of all. But moreover,

1011
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:46,679
there's the what's it called the Major Questions doctrine, that tariff.

1012
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:56,400
The Constitution clearly gives Congress the power to levy tariffs.

1013
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,400
It's it's clear as day. That's it's literally one of

1014
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,519
its main jobs along with taxation, and is taxation. So

1015
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,480
you know, how could someone want to shut down, you know,

1016
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:11,000
want to get rid of Chevron doctrine, but then say

1017
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:13,320
the president can do whatever he wants when it comes

1018
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,079
to other taxes or other regulations. Just mind boggling to

1019
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,400
me that anyone would would do that, can we? But

1020
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:22,760
you're right? I mean I think that that was Gore

1021
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,480
Such's point, right, that we want to have Congress do

1022
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:31,000
its job. Yeah, and the exactly do its job. I

1023
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:31,679
like that a lot.

1024
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I do worry about the law law land

1025
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:36,760
nature of it.

1026
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,639
Speaker 2: Meaning, yes, I agree.

1027
00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 3: I am a I am an Article one enthusiast, and

1028
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,000
I really wish Congress were the dominant branch of government

1029
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:51,159
and they are not even functioning right now.

1030
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a disaster.

1031
00:59:53,519 --> 01:00:00,519
Speaker 3: And I love the Supreme Court jurisprudence that is telling Congress, Hey,

1032
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:02,920
we're giving this all back to you after you willingly

1033
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,519
gave it all away to the executive branch, and we're

1034
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:10,320
saying no, Constitutionally, this is more your purview. And I

1035
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,519
worry that they're doing absolutely nothing with this very helpful

1036
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:17,719
recent jurisprudence. I'm not talking about the tariff's decision that

1037
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:20,639
just happened, but in recent years they've done this with

1038
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,400
quite a lot of removing Chevron deference and all that,

1039
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,159
and Congress seems to not really care, and it makes

1040
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:31,519
me sad. I agree, but I agree with but I

1041
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:33,559
agree with grsiche On that they should.

1042
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:37,599
Speaker 1: I agree that the Congress has abdicated its responsibility. A

1043
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,079
part of that abdication is that they're always, like, yeah,

1044
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:43,400
cheering on whatever the president wants to do. Like they

1045
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,480
take an oath to protect the Constitution, and part of

1046
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:51,719
the Constitution is protecting your or defending your institution. Congress

1047
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,880
is the institution. Yes, Mike Johnson should support the president

1048
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,000
and it's part of his party. But if he feels

1049
01:00:57,039 --> 01:01:00,400
like the president is in you know, there's an incursion

1050
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,039
on the power of Congress, he should say something about that.

1051
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:08,119
But I'm not blaming just him Chuck Schumer supporting Biden

1052
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:10,760
when he was dealing when he was trying to forgive

1053
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:14,519
student loans, or when he was putting amendments into the

1054
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:18,280
Constitution via tweet. So yeah, I just want to say.

1055
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: My own view on tariffs is that there is a

1056
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:25,559
difference between whether you think they're a good idea and

1057
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:28,360
whether you think the president has the right to set them.

1058
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:30,920
And on the issue of whether the president has the

1059
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,039
right to set them, I am pretty strongly in favor

1060
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:36,519
of the president setting them. They are the type of

1061
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:39,360
thing that can be like implemented and pulled back and

1062
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,519
used as leverage.

1063
01:01:40,599 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: And we have so many problems globally.

1064
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:50,519
Speaker 3: Dealing with trade situations where foreign countries have made their

1065
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:55,159
markets very hostile to American businesses, and very little has

1066
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:58,559
been done to address that. And I love the idea

1067
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:01,880
of using tariffs as lever and I know that Trump

1068
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,119
can do it under all sorts of other authorities than

1069
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:06,920
the one that he went.

1070
01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: With, and he says he will.

1071
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 3: But I would prefer that we defer to presidents even

1072
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,000
if they're bad presidents, even if they're making bad decisions,

1073
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:20,800
I still think it's better for the executive than Congress

1074
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,360
to set these because they're foreign policy.

1075
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:27,159
Speaker 1: But he can do that in a different way. Best

1076
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:29,480
of all, I think everyone admits that the what it

1077
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:33,760
was called the International Emergency Economics Power Act of nineteen

1078
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,119
seventy seven, which was which he used here for many

1079
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:38,880
of the taris not all is a poorly written law.

1080
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:41,639
The law should be like, we give you this amount

1081
01:02:41,679 --> 01:02:44,320
of time. Actually put it this way, Donald Trump can

1082
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,920
thread whoever he wants, and he can negotiate new deals

1083
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,760
and then he could send them to Congress for passage

1084
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,400
like he would with anything else.

1085
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: You watched the hockey game on Sunday, Hell.

1086
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched it. As you know, I love hockey.

1087
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:03,119
I'm a big fan of the New York Rangers. I

1088
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:06,480
probably missed like twelve games in forty years or something

1089
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:12,840
like that. And watching the American team win was just great,

1090
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,239
just because because we won, but because we beat Canada.

1091
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:21,079
You know, it was just amazing. And they're sore. Do

1092
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,119
you see how what sore losers they are talking about

1093
01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:26,320
how they were the better team and the goalie want

1094
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,199
it for us, as if the goalie wasn't part of

1095
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:31,679
the team like I liken it to saying you only

1096
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:33,840
won because of your ace pitcher. You only won because

1097
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,719
of Tom Brady. Well, yeah, that's part of my team.

1098
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:37,440
That person.

1099
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,519
Speaker 3: I was it just last week talking about how I'm

1100
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:47,280
alone in my dislike of Canada. But last year or

1101
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,280
whenever it was, when they did the Four Nations tournament

1102
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:55,039
and the Canadians booed the American anthem, I was like, oh,

1103
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:59,480
it's on, it's on, Like I will love America even

1104
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:03,000
if we who's in horrific fashion at the Olympics. But

1105
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:06,320
I really wanted to be Canada because they're so smug.

1106
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:10,320
They also are really good at hockey. They send all

1107
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,039
these players to NHL teams. The entire Avalanche team is

1108
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:21,239
comprised of Canadians, and then sort of related hockey is

1109
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:26,239
all Canada hats. They have comedians who become Americans, they

1110
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,800
have Molson beer, and they have hockey, and that's it.

1111
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,320
So they needed that win desperately, and they have been

1112
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:36,960
really asking for a beating. And so I thought the

1113
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,440
game what I saw of at excited church on Sunday morning.

1114
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:42,440
So I was monitoring it and then Mark and I

1115
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,119
watched rewatched highlights. I thought it was just amazing, a

1116
01:04:47,239 --> 01:04:49,880
very good game. Canada is a very good team.

1117
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:53,559
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean Canada is still has the premiere

1118
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:56,960
players right to come from Canada. It's their national sport.

1119
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,360
It's cold all over the place. They are the winter.

1120
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:04,760
They have a great tradition, you know. But it is interesting.

1121
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,639
Someone pointed this out to me. The most Canadian superstars

1122
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,079
in the United States to play for US teams have

1123
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:13,480
no trade clauses in their contract where they do not

1124
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:16,440
want to go to any Canadian team. Taxes are so

1125
01:05:16,599 --> 01:05:19,400
high up there that they you essentially lose half your salary.

1126
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:21,800
No one wants to go to Edmonton or Calgary if

1127
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,079
they don't have to. They want to go to Florida, Miami,

1128
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,199
they want to go to Denver, they want to go

1129
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:31,320
to yuh. But you mentioned the four So I hate

1130
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,679
these international tournaments in the middle of a season because

1131
01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:35,960
I don't want my players to get hurt. I think,

1132
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:39,199
you know, it's like too many games. But then whenever

1133
01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:41,440
it starts, I get really into it. So you mentioned

1134
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,760
four nations, like they booed the American national anthem and

1135
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:48,639
three Americans came out and started fights with Canadians.

1136
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:50,239
Speaker 2: I loved that immediately.

1137
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,599
Speaker 1: It was the Kachuck Brothers and JT. Miller and you

1138
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:58,280
know those guys are great, So I loved it. Did

1139
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,920
you see Chuck U lost his tooth? Right, he has

1140
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,239
been hidden thing and he came out and scored that goal,

1141
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:07,320
wrapped himself in the American flag. That's blood all over

1142
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,800
the handing them, you know, those stupid teddy bears, the

1143
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:17,519
uh and then just the unbridled, like I said, unfettered

1144
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,440
patriotism of these guys. So anyway, they're in the locker

1145
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:24,639
room cash hotel's they're drinking out of all the abuses

1146
01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:27,800
of power I've ever seen, pretending you have a meeting

1147
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,519
in Italy to attend the Olympics gold medal game with

1148
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:34,039
the United States and then celebrating with the team after

1149
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,880
is the abusive power I most relate to and would

1150
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,559
one hundred percent engage in myself if it is an

1151
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:46,239
abusive power. But the President called, he made an innocuous

1152
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,320
joke about having to invite the women's team as well

1153
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,360
to the White House, who also won the gold and

1154
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,440
an amazing beautiful goal, you know, game winning goal, great

1155
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,079
game also, and the entire left, all the sports writers

1156
01:06:58,119 --> 01:06:59,719
who are a bunch of left wingers, most of the

1157
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,840
time all turned on the American team because they went

1158
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,519
to the White House because they laughed at Trump's dumb joke.

1159
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,360
It's another sign of what a bunch of weirdos. They are,

1160
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,679
like these school marms scolding you for laughing at a

1161
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:18,360
dumb joke, and you know, it's just so out of touch.

1162
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 3: So Alissa Lou is this American figure skater whose dad

1163
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:30,079
was a Chinese dissident who came to America then quite

1164
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:33,960
bizarrely used a bunch of surrogates to create a like

1165
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:36,039
a team of children.

1166
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:37,679
Speaker 2: So that's a little weird.

1167
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,199
Speaker 3: But one of the children is Alyssa Lou, and she

1168
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:46,519
is this really great figure skater, and she was so

1169
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:52,159
bubbly and happy and great and her performance is amazing,

1170
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,400
so everyone just kind of like fell in love with her.

1171
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:57,880
And all these lefties were like, well, these maga people

1172
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,079
won't like her once we tell them that she's actually

1173
01:08:01,159 --> 01:08:07,400
like a bisexual, woke person or whatever. And everyone was like, no,

1174
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,880
we just liked her because she was really good and

1175
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,559
bubbly and also she didn't like shove that down everybody's

1176
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:17,680
throat every two seconds. And then the next day the

1177
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,479
same people who were like you people are bad because

1178
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,079
you wouldn't like Alyssa Loo if you knew what she

1179
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:26,880
really thought politically decided to turn on the American hockey

1180
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,560
team because they talked to Trump.

1181
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: It's because it's pure projection on their part, one projection.

1182
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:38,199
They're the ones who want to turn every single event

1183
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:43,279
in America into a political struggle session. It's so insufferable,

1184
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:46,840
and I don't think a normal American who's watching the

1185
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,159
Olympics wants that. I couldn't care less as long as

1186
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:52,359
they're not bringing it to the Olympics, Like you know,

1187
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if you're going to the Olympics and bad mouthing I

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don't care who the president is, or bad mouthing America

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to foreign press, Yeah, I have a problem with that.

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If I'm going there and winning and celebrating. She's I

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don't know if this is demeaning. I'm not supposed to

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say it, but that skater, she's so cute and full

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of life and life relatable and just she seems like

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a nice person. I don't know what her opinions are.

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I don't even care. Yeah, so great, she's gonna come

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and she could march and she could say stuff about

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Trump whatever. But she didn't do it at the Olympics.

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She put a flag around herself and she celebrated winning,

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and that's all we care about. I'm sure not everyone

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every hockey player loves Trump. But if I won the

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gold and Joe Biden or Barack Obama invited me to

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go to the White House, I would go. They're the president.

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I don't like them, but they're the president, and I

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would be respectful because that's not the place for politics.

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But they can't understand this. I forgot who said this,

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but they were talking about how everyone thinks totalitarian I've

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01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:53,079
mentioned this quote. But everyone thinks totalitarian as a means

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that you're not allowed to participate in politics, when it

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really means they make you everything about politics. Totalitarian nations,

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everything is politics, and we don't want that here. People

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want to live their lives free of that. It's only

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culture I had.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was a good culture.

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Speaker 3: I did watch with Mark the end of The Night Agent.

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Speaker 2: It was The Night Agent The Manager. Sorry, I like

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Night Agent. Never mind, it's Night Manager. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: I was going to watch that. John lecar I think

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I talked about it with Mark.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Mark claims that we watched season one like

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ten or fifteen years ago, and then it took ten

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or fifteen years for season two to come out.

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Speaker 2: I have no recollection of season one.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's wrong because sometimes I know I

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had young kids at that time, and you're not getting

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a lot of sleep.

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Speaker 2: But I was willing to do this.

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Speaker 1: Night Manager Manager, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Night Manager? Why is it called that?

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Speaker 3: And I remember that TV show The West World or

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something like that. I thought it was so good and

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then the ending was so stupid that I was angry

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that I had watched any of it, Like I just

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assumed there was going to be payoff and then there

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was no payoff. And let's just say this had a

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similar disappointing ending. And I was like, if I had

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had food to throw at the television, I would have

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thrown it at the television.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, please boo.

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Speaker 1: There is a show called The Night Agent on Netflix

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which I started to watch, which has like super bad

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01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:42,159
acting and a very bad story.

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Speaker 2: But I like it.

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01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: But I watch it and I'm like, uh, and I

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keep watching it. It's like a sugar addiction or something.

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Speaker 3: So let me say what The Night Manager had that

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I liked, was that a really.

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Speaker 2: Hot chick who was in Daisy Jones and this six

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,159
Do you know what I'm talking about. I don't know

1249
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what her name is. I see her face, Camille Morone.

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Speaker 3: She's very pretty. I'm not saying she's the world's best actress,

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but she's very pretty. And I think being pretty can

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01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,199
cover a post of sins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who cares weakness is?

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Speaker 2: And then it also has like Hugh Laurie and Tom Hitdleston.

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Speaker 1: But is Hugh Laurie in the second season too?

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Speaker 2: He is?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Am I giving too much away?

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01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 3: Probably anyway? The gay the gay subtext of everything. I

1260
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,119
was like, this is this is I'm a woman, so

1261
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I can tolerate it more. But I was like, this

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is getting too gay.

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Speaker 1: I there is a ten year gap between the seasons

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or something of that nature. And I sometimes when I

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watch a show and you know, I'll binge it. But

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sometimes I won't watch for a week and I can't

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even remember remember what happened the week before. And I wonder,

1268
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in the old days, how did we remember, like what

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01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:07,359
had happened on the show we were watching when we

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wouldn't see another episode for six months. I don't even

1271
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know how I would how I would tackle that. You know. Yeah,

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I tried to watch A Night Manager like a few

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times and I just did not stick. So maybe I'll

1274
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give it another shot. But now you're saying that doesn't

1275
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:29,960
end well, so we'll see. Okay, we need better. Yeah,

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01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,960
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