WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:06.320 It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:10.279 Thank you very much, Nicole. As always, Dan Ray here 3 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:13.359 the host of Nightside. We have a jam packed show 4 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:16.640 for you tonight. During the first hour, we're going to 5 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:22.679 talk about longer than expected waits in Massachusetts emergency room rooms. 6 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:25.480 We're going to talk about serial killers, going to talk 7 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.559 about an anti aging pill for dogs, and going to 8 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.960 talk about daylight saving time, which all of us will 9 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.520 experience this weekend. Rob Brooks is back in the control 10 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:39.560 room tonight. He'll take begin to take your calls at 11 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:42.560 nine o'clock. We will talk during that hour with State 12 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:47.560 Auditor Diane Desuglio. She continues to battle. She's one of 13 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:49.759 the good ones on Beacon Hill, in my opinion, and 14 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.960 she continues to battle with the legislative leadership out there. 15 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:59.000 Voters last fall approved a referendum whereby the auditor would 16 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:03.280 be allowed or will be directed by the voters to 17 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:06.799 audit the state legislature. And guess what, the state legislature 18 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:10.879 leadership doesn't want to be audited. So we'll discuss that 19 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:13.959 and then later on tonight. The question I have is 20 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:19.640 with Doze specifically and all of the efficiencies that the 21 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:26.599 Trump administration wants to make permanent within the federal government. 22 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.840 Is it possible they're out over their skis a little bit. 23 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.040 We have an example that I think most people will 24 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.519 agree with, sort of a ridiculous request. We'll get to 25 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:39.719 that at ten o'clock, but first we're going to talk 26 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:45.799 with doctor Laura Nasuti. Doctor Nasuti, she's the Health Policy Commissioner. 27 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:50.280 She's the Health Policy Commissioners, the director of Research and Analytics, 28 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:53.799 Doctor Nasuti. I hope I pronounced the last name correctly. 29 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:54.879 Welcome to Nightside. 30 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:02.560 Thank you. So we week as part of one of 31 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:07.680 our regular Health Policy commission Board meetings, we showed some 32 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:12.120 preliminary results from a study on what we term emergency 33 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.879 department boarding, and so that is when patients spend more 34 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.639 than twelve hours in the emergency department. 35 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:20.120 And what we. 36 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:27.120 Found is that we see overall emergency department boarding went 37 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:33.280 up for everyone and is continuing to increase into twenty 38 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:36.759 twenty four, and especially for those who were in the 39 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:40.680 emergency department for what's called behavioral health boarding, So for 40 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:44.360 people who come to the emergency room primarily for a 41 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:46.960 behavioral health condition, we see this going up. 42 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:49.719 Can I refer to that. Can I refer to that 43 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.280 so the audience will understand as a mental health crisis? 44 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:58.039 Yes, yes, so it could be a mental. 45 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:01.159 Sometimes if you use different words, different language, Yeah, someone 46 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:05.439 gets offended. So so if someone's having a crisis, uh, 47 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.319 and they either on their own come to the emergency 48 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.560 room or they're brought there by a loved one or 49 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:17.199 by a friend, those wait times are lasting longer. Do 50 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:20.319 we have an er doctor shortage? Is that? Is that 51 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.000 contributing to this at all? Or is there a spike 52 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:26.240 in in in emergency room visits. I assume that over 53 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:29.479 the course of some time, the same percentage of people 54 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.919 would sprain an ankle or or cut their hand or 55 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.080 bumped their head, And I mean, there's no crisis in 56 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.000 terms of I assume the number of patients or the 57 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:40.560 number of doctors. 58 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:43.879 Or is there Well, actually that's a great question. So 59 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.120 what we what we see is the total number of 60 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:50.879 visits overall to the emergency department is actually still a 61 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:55.039 little bit lower than it was uh pre pre COVID. 62 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:01.680 But what what is happening is that we are seeing 63 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.520 that people are staying for longer lengths of stay in 64 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:08.520 the inpatient setting. Uh, well, I'm going to back up 65 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:09.400 for a second. 66 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:09.759 If that's okay. 67 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:14.280 We are there are multiple things happening at the same time. 68 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.680 So one of the things that's happening is that patients 69 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:20.160 are spending longer in the inpatient setting, either because they 70 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.920 are in need of more care and needs to stay 71 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:27.759 there longer, or because we're having a hard time discharging 72 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:32.839 them to uh to something to like oppost acute care 73 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:37.360 setting to nursing home, something like that. We also, at 74 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:41.040 the same time know that there's some challenges with getting 75 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:43.879 access to behavioral health care in general. In fact, the 76 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:48.160 Massachusetts Health Policy Commission was commissioned was casked with starting 77 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:52.600 a behavioral health Workforce center, so something that's that's something 78 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:55.480 that we're working on to better understand the needs of 79 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.920 the behavioral health workforce in Massachusetts, so patients can act 80 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:05.439 us care outside of the emergency department and be quickly 81 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:08.959 placed with care in the community when when it's appropriate 82 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:12.240 for them to be taken care of in a community 83 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.480 setting or at Again, I got. 84 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:16.480 To be honest with your doctor. It sounds to me 85 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:22.279 like I don't know how to say this politely, but 86 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:26.480 it sounds to me that this is kind of a 87 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:31.439 mathematical formula. And unless if there's no real uptick in visits, 88 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:37.279 and if we haven't cut back staff over time, the 89 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:41.480 average weight should you know, it's almost supply and demand. 90 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:44.920 If there's enough doctors and the visits have diminished, you 91 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:50.480 would think that the length of time average weight would drop. 92 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:57.680 So you're telling me this really is really all behaviorally related. 93 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:02.079 And either the behavior the people who are in need 94 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:07.519 of some mental health care are either staying longer because 95 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:10.240 they need to be treated longer, or maybe is there 96 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:15.680 an uptick in the behavioral care visits. I'm trying to 97 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.639 really struggling to understand this, and I know we're getting 98 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:19.319 tight on time. 99 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:23.720 Well, there's there's a you're hitting on a third point, 100 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:27.680 which is, uh, there there is an increased need for 101 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:33.040 behavioral health services or mental health services, and so the 102 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:39.639 why is that, Well, there there are a lot of 103 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:45.959 theories out there, but we know that from from surveys 104 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.439 that have been done that that there is an increased 105 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:52.319 need for mental health services and people are seeking mental 106 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:57.879 health services and are having a hard time finding some 107 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:02.279 of those services. And for some of those people, if 108 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:05.279 they if they can't get into the right services, you know, 109 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:09.240 the front door. They they do end up in the 110 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:13.399 emergency room as a place of care. 111 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:18.720 Doctor Nasudi, I apologize profusely for the technical problem on 112 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.079 our end, and perhaps we could we could have you back. 113 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:25.240 I can talk to my producer about having you back 114 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.839 for maybe an hour and talk about this and give 115 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.839 you a chance to explain it a little more in depth. 116 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:35.759 I know that we're pressed for time in this interview, 117 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:38.319 and again it's on it's our fault, a technical problem 118 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:42.920 on our end problem. I think it's something that that 119 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:45.720 it would be well for us to spend a little 120 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.560 more time and perhaps even take some phone calls from listeners. 121 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.800 So I'm going to my producer reach back to you 122 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:54.720 if that's okay with you, and we can you know, 123 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:56.519 we can take our time a little bit more than 124 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.160 we did tonight. I thank you so much for your 125 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.240 time tonight, and again my apologies for the technical issues 126 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:02.800 on our end. 127 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.199 Okay, okay, thank you so much. 128 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:10.399 Again. Mental health care is very important in Massachusetts and anywhere, 129 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:14.720 and let's understand it in a longer form conversation. Doctor 130 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:18.839 Laura Nusudi, director of Research and Analytics with the Health 131 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:23.120 Policy Commission, thanks again. Doctor. When we come back, we're 132 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:24.759 going to have everything squad away and we're going to 133 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.399 talk with a prior guest in this program, doctor Scott Bond. 134 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.879 He's a criminologist and he focuses on serial killers, and 135 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:34.360 he will be appearing at the Wilber Theater in Boston 136 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:38.039 in March twenty third, so you may want to listen 137 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.039 very closely. He's been a great guest and I think 138 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.799 he puts on a great presentation. Will at the Wilburg. 139 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:45.440 We'll be back on Nightside. I will again remind you 140 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.919 if you don't already have the new iHeart app, pick 141 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.559 it up. Get it. All you got to do is 142 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:52.960 download it, pretty simple, even I did it, and then 143 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.159 you can set WBZ as your number one preset, so 144 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:59.480 you will have WBZ at your fingertips. Three sixty five, 145 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.159 twenty four seven. My name is Dan Ray. Off to 146 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:03.799 a little bit of a rocky start, but it's only 147 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:05.320 going to get better from here. We'll be back on 148 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:06.360 night Side right after this. 149 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.600 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 150 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:15.399 night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 151 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.600 Want to welcome back an old friend of this program. 152 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:20.080 I shouldn't say an old friend, but a friend of 153 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:23.879 this program, doctor Scott Bond. He's a criminologist. Dr Bond. 154 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:25.639 Sorry about getting to you a little bit late. We 155 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.080 had some technical difficulties off the top with our first guests, 156 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:31.200 so we're going to get right to it. You have 157 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.559 a big show coming up at the Wilbeth Theater in 158 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:38.440 Boston on March twenty third. Many of my listeners know 159 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.720 exactly your background and what you do, but tell us 160 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:45.759 about the show and tell us why people should should 161 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:48.240 show up at the Wilba Theater on March twenty third 162 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:49.000 to see this event. 163 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.279 Dat Dan, I really appreciate it. It's great to be here. 164 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:59.399 And yeah, I am really excited the wilburg I understand. 165 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.519 Is that just a beautiful theater. I'm excited to to 166 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.759 bring my my show there. And yes, my my goal 167 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:12.039 is to take the audience inside the minds of some 168 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:15.519 of the most diabolical characters of all time that I 169 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:22.000 have actually interacted with, gotten inside their their pathological minds. 170 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:25.960 And I'm talking about individuals like the son of Sam 171 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:32.879 David Berkowitz, the buying torture kill strangler who is Dennis Raider, 172 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.039 also the Long Island serial killer, allegedly Rex Huerman. 173 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:40.200 And you know, I know that you've talked to some 174 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:44.960 of these Hueman is still he's a waiting trial, is 175 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:45.240 he not? 176 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:46.600 Yeah, he is, he is. 177 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.000 And as I want to make sure, I just want 178 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.000 to make sure to protect us legally here that he 179 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:54.440 enjoys the presumption of innocence until his trial. 180 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:58.480 Oh yeah, absolutely. And I think I said, I think 181 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.240 I said allegedly, Uh, I just want. 182 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:04.399 To, like I said, have you ever I know you've 183 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:10.320 spoken to some of these convicted serial killers as human been. 184 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:12.039 Have you had access to him or no? 185 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:17.639 Well, my relationship there, how I got involved was back 186 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:22.840 in twenty ten when the Gilgo four were first found 187 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:25.559 there on that desolate area of Gilgo Beach on the 188 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:30.279 long Shore south shore of Long Island. The New York 189 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:34.279 Times newspaper asked me to put together an extensive profile 190 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:39.759 of this unknown killer, which I did and utilizing techniques 191 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:44.600 that I learned firsthand from the founding profilers there in 192 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:51.639 the FBI, Quantico, Virginia, their Behavioral Science Institute, and I 193 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:56.799 put together an extensive profile that some years later in 194 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.039 twenty twenty three, when Huberman was arrested nailed him to 195 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.279 a t one hundred percent, even to the extent that 196 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.840 I said he probably lived in the very neighborhood in 197 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:11.960 which those bodies were found, which is absolutely true. In fact, 198 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.519 you can see his burial ground from his backyard there 199 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:16.240 in the south shore of Long Island. 200 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:20.039 Well, my question is is there a commonality? And I 201 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.399 know that we're a little tight here on time, and 202 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.639 I want to again mention in people. Tickets are available 203 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.879 through the Wilworth Theater in Boston from March twenty third. 204 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:34.960 That is a Sunday night if I'm not mistaken, or 205 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:36.159 is it Sunday afternoon? 206 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.879 It is Sunday evening seven pm. Is the start of 207 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:40.320 the show? 208 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:44.519 Great, Okay, So is there a commonality? I mean, other 209 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:49.200 than the fact that these people obviously are sociopaths. If 210 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:53.120 you're killing anyone who's an innocent victim, unless you're killing 211 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:55.559 someone in self defense, I think you're a sociopath. But 212 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.279 if you're killing Malta, if you're a serial killer, you're 213 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:02.360 clearly a sociopath. What is it? What is the common 214 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:07.000 strain that runs through them? A messed up childhood? Is 215 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.639 it that they just can't stand other people? Is there 216 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:13.240 can you synthesize that for me, I've never asked you 217 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:14.440 ken question before. 218 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.919 I think, yes, it's a fantastic question, which I get into, 219 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:22.480 obviously in great detail in my show. But to try 220 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:28.559 to reduce it down to one answer. First of all, 221 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.519 eighty percent of serial killers are either psychopaths or sociopaths. 222 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:37.120 They are not clinically or legally mentally ill. They have culpability, 223 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:40.279 they know that it's wrong to kill, they don't care. 224 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:47.399 The remaining twenty percent are actually mentally ill, schizophrenic, paranoid, schizophrenic, psychotic, 225 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:51.840 et cetera. Now, the vast majority, the eighty percent, these individuals, 226 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:55.759 they are as different as night and day. They come 227 00:13:55.799 --> 00:14:03.000 in every race, every gender, every sexual orientation, IQ, education, religiosity, 228 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:08.360 you name it. But they do have one single common denominator, dan, 229 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:12.120 and that is that for these rare individuals, the killing 230 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:17.399 of complete strangers over a long period of time, develops 231 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:23.440 inside of them a psychological craving, a hunger, a lust 232 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:28.279 for blood that only killing will satisfy. And the exact 233 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:32.559 nature of that fantasy, and it's borne out through fantasy 234 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.320 varies by serial killer. It can be power and control, 235 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.000 it can be a mission that they decide they need 236 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.679 to rid the world of a certain type of individual. 237 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.960 It can be visionary in the case of David Berkowitz, 238 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:51.080 he believes Satan was driving him to kill, and it 239 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:56.360 can be lust or sexual desire. In the case of 240 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.000 Jeffrey Dahmer, it was the seventeen men that he killed. 241 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:04.000 He had sexual lust and desire for them. But if 242 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:08.200 you can unlock the fantasy need for a particular serial killer, 243 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:14.120 his psychological craving, then you can understand his pathology and 244 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:16.639 you can go a long way toward predicting his future 245 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.840 behavior and ultimately apprehending him. 246 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.639 My guest, doctor Scott Brown, he is a fascinating guest. 247 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.440 He's been on the show as recently as last year. 248 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:32.080 He will be appearing live what's called a live theatrical 249 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:36.279 event at the Worldworth Theater in Boston on Sunday evening, 250 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:41.720 March twenty third. Cont I think it's going to be 251 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:44.919 a great show and I recommend him highly. Doctor Scott Bond, 252 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:49.159 thanks so much for joining us. Again. We went into 253 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:51.000 our newscast a little bit to try to make it 254 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.000 up to you, but we had some technical issues early, 255 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:55.799 so thank you so much. Your good sport and best 256 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:57.399 of what I hope you enjoy Boston. 257 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:00.480 Thank you so much, Dan, great to be here. 258 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.039 Absolutely great to talk with the CAAM will talk soon. 259 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.360 All right, when we get back, right after the newscast, 260 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.639 we're going to talk to another doctor. This is doctor 261 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:13.559 Deborah Cato. She's the co director of the Stanford Center 262 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:17.919 on Longevity and the longtime dog Mom. Anti aging pills 263 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.679 for dogs have cleared an FDA hurdle. That's the good news. 264 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.159 But there's a doctor who says unforeseen problems can occur 265 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:27.759 with new drugs that are still in testing. We'll be 266 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.759 back with doctor Deborah Cato right after this, and after 267 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.000 nine o'clock we'll be talking with state Auditor Diana Dezaglio 268 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.360 about her quest to follow through and what the voters 269 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:42.600 have requested lust fall. During the election of twenty twenty four, 270 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:46.399 they said that the voters in Massachusett by an overwhelming margin, 271 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:49.679 want the state legislature to be audited. It's our tax 272 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:53.519 money they're playing with. And Diana Dezaglio will talk about 273 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.720 the battle with the legislature ongoing back on Nightside right 274 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:57.080 after this. 275 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:04.000 You're on Nightside, Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news Radio. 276 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:08.200 All right, Welcome back everyone, Thank you very much, Nicole. 277 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:13.559 It is said of dogs, the dogs don't live long enough. 278 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:17.559 The reason is that you know, dogs are probably on 279 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:22.000 average they live ten to twelve years on average, and 280 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:25.079 sometimes if you get a dog that lives for fifteen years, 281 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.319 you can consider yourself to be blessed, doubly blessed, not 282 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.240 only that you have the companionship of a dog and 283 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:32.960 a friendship of a dog, but you have them for 284 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:37.359 longer than you would expect. With us, as doctor Deborah Cardo, 285 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.240 she's the co director of the Stanford Center on Longevity. 286 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.039 I assume that's a Stanford Center on Longevity for human beings. 287 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:51.400 Doctor Cardo, Yes, that is correct, it's for human beings today. 288 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:54.519 We don't have a dog representation there. 289 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:58.519 Okay, but you're a longtime dog mom and I'm a 290 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:02.079 longtime dog dad, so we have that in common. So 291 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.119 I didn't realize, to be honest with you, that there 292 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:09.680 are anti aging pills for dogs that have cleared a 293 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:13.000 key FDA here hurdle. Tell us about that. 294 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:19.319 Yes, apparently a company based in San Francisco has cleared 295 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:24.559 a hurdle that I guests shows safety in giving a 296 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:30.519 pill that affects the metabolism of older dogs weighing over 297 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:36.359 fourteen pounds that perhaps increases their health and lifespan, so 298 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:40.000 that they've been approved to now conduct a larger study 299 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:44.880 of about one thousand dogs recruited across that nary practices 300 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.119 across the United States to see if in fact this 301 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:53.200 works better than a placebo good tasting pill for the dogs. 302 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.720 Okay, so the bottom line is these pills. I don't 303 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.119 want people running to the vet tomorrow and saying we 304 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.880 want them anti aging pills for Fido. These pills are 305 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:05.839 not available commercially at this point. 306 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:12.359 Correct, That is correct, Although the study is enrolling through 307 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:16.839 veterinary practices across the United States. So if one were 308 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.440 so inclined, they could try to find a veterinarian who's 309 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:24.440 participating in the study and become enrolled, although they wouldn't 310 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:27.519 be guaranteed they have a fifty fifty chance of actually 311 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:33.960 getting the pill with this special compound versus. 312 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:36.960 Yeah, my audience understands that. 313 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:37.480 Okay, this is a test. 314 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:43.920 So yeah, the is the list of the veterinarians available. 315 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.400 If there are people in my audience who are who 316 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:52.039 would like to have their dog participate in this is 317 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:55.039 there other than going through a list of just calling 318 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:57.240 veterinarians at random. Is there a way in which we 319 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.200 can help people find the veterinarians who are participating in 320 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:01.720 this study? 321 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:08.079 That is correct, There is a way, and I did 322 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:11.559 a little preparation for this call. They're the name of 323 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:16.759 the company that's giving or testing this drug is called 324 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:21.039 Loyal and they have a website that you can look 325 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:25.480 up how you could enroll your dog in which veterinarians 326 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:27.039 are participating in the study. 327 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:32.440 Okay, now I'm assuming you don't have that website off 328 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:33.400 the top of your head. 329 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:35.440 That is correct. 330 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:38.400 They're probably giving it to me. Okay, it's amazing. Okay, 331 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:41.920 let me see this like l. 332 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.359 O y A L. And then if you put anti 333 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:47.359 aging dogs, I think anybody can. 334 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:50.559 Here's the deal. I got it. I got it even 335 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:54.039 more quick, pretty adept at this stuff. Doctor loyal dot 336 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:58.160 com good news. It's one stupid and it says be 337 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:00.400 the first to know when we release more details on 338 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.960 our products. I'm a dog owner, I'm a veterinary professional. 339 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:08.480 So so what do the clinical trials so far suggest 340 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:12.000 that the that the light? What? What? What is the 341 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:18.039 potential lifespan Obviously, even if this meets all the criteria 342 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:21.240 of the FDA, we're not going to have dogs living 343 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:24.000 to you know, to forty five years of dog you know, 344 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:28.640 dog life, I mean of you know, forty five human years. 345 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:33.319 How much do you think if this is successful, that 346 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:38.359 you know, Fido's life can be extended a couple of years. 347 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:43.599 Well, given that I would have not participated in the trial, 348 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.480 I don't know what the compound even is. It would 349 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:49.839 be hard for me to project on what the UH 350 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:54.079 life extension capabilities are and if in fact health span 351 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:57.000 is improved as well. So those are things that they 352 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:01.319 will test. And generally for human trials we like to 353 00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:05.160 go at least three years. So I'm sure it can't 354 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:07.279 be forty five years because the trial it would be 355 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:10.920 forever to get FDA approved. 356 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:13.839 So I was spenting tongue in cheek at that point, 357 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:17.400 meaning not that that the trials would be for forty 358 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:20.119 five years. But you know, whoever is running this saying 359 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:24.279 if we're successful, you know some mad scientists, if we're successful, 360 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:27.880 your dog will live for forty five years. I just 361 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:31.960 I'm assuming we don't script these questions, as you probably know, 362 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:38.920 So I'm sure questions that you and you're doing great. 363 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:41.359 Just just bear with me here for a second. So 364 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:44.759 we at least have the website loyal dot com. People 365 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:49.440 can go look at it now. In the prep work 366 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:55.240 that I have here, there's some suggestion that one doctor, 367 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:58.920 and maybe that's you, is suggesting that unforeseen problems can 368 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:03.319 occur with any new drugs that are still you know, 369 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:09.480 obviously in testing, has there been any despite the FDA 370 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:14.119 approval or whatever prop you know, sometimes there's there's a 371 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:19.079 preliminary approval and a temporary improval, your final approval. I mean, 372 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:23.160 the f d A has their own system. What's what's 373 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.319 the potential downside or is there any potential downside or 374 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:27.519 unforeseen problems? 375 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:32.640 Well on the company website, we're not privy to that information, 376 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:37.799 and perhaps they're not even any concerns, but oftentimes we 377 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.759 do have things that crop up that we can't predict. 378 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.720 So it could be anything from earlier heart attacks to 379 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:51.440 worstening physical function, to tummy aches, two mood changes. We 380 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:55.039 just we just don't know. But I think they are 381 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.680 planning to measure all of those things so that they 382 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:01.279 can get a sense if the DUG is doing what 383 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.720 it needs to do. In terms of the metabolism, maybe 384 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.839 flowing the metabolism as well as increasing health span and lifespan. 385 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.319 Okay, so now let me ask you one other question 386 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:16.000 that is nonscript from a medical point of view, and 387 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:20.480 as a veterinarian, you're my medical expert for the moment here, 388 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:22.799 So and you're at Stanford, which is a good school. 389 00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:27.720 Do you think that if they're successful in terms of 390 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:31.200 extending the lifespan of dogs through you know, the miracle 391 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:36.319 of science, could that have some application or in your opinion, 392 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:43.559 is the composition, the physical composition of dogs, the DNA 393 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:46.279 of dogs so different from human beings, although they are 394 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:50.119 men's best friend and woman's best friend too, that this 395 00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:53.640 is not likely going to have an application dog to human. 396 00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:59.200 Well, as you said, Dan, I am a huge dog lover. 397 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.880 In fact, dogs were my first kids, and dogs have 398 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:10.440 contributed over the past century in terms of improving the 399 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.920 lives of humans, not just by being a pet of 400 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:18.559 many owners across the world, but also through scientific investigation. 401 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:22.640