Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Nicole. As always, Dan Ray here
Speaker 2: the host of Nightside. We have a jam packed show
Speaker 2: for you tonight. During the first hour, we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about longer than expected waits in Massachusetts emergency room rooms.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about serial killers, going to talk
Speaker 2: about an anti aging pill for dogs, and going to
Speaker 2: talk about daylight saving time, which all of us will
Speaker 2: experience this weekend. Rob Brooks is back in the control
Speaker 2: room tonight. He'll take begin to take your calls at
Speaker 2: nine o'clock. We will talk during that hour with State
Speaker 2: Auditor Diane Desuglio. She continues to battle. She's one of
Speaker 2: the good ones on Beacon Hill, in my opinion, and
Speaker 2: she continues to battle with the legislative leadership out there.
Speaker 2: Voters last fall approved a referendum whereby the auditor would
Speaker 2: be allowed or will be directed by the voters to
Speaker 2: audit the state legislature. And guess what, the state legislature
Speaker 2: leadership doesn't want to be audited. So we'll discuss that
Speaker 2: and then later on tonight. The question I have is
Speaker 2: with Doze specifically and all of the efficiencies that the
Speaker 2: Trump administration wants to make permanent within the federal government.
Speaker 2: Is it possible they're out over their skis a little bit.
Speaker 2: We have an example that I think most people will
Speaker 2: agree with, sort of a ridiculous request. We'll get to
Speaker 2: that at ten o'clock, but first we're going to talk
Speaker 2: with doctor Laura Nasuti. Doctor Nasuti, she's the Health Policy Commissioner.
Speaker 2: She's the Health Policy Commissioners, the director of Research and Analytics,
Speaker 2: Doctor Nasuti. I hope I pronounced the last name correctly.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3: Thank you. So we week as part of one of
Speaker 3: our regular Health Policy commission Board meetings, we showed some
Speaker 3: preliminary results from a study on what we term emergency
Speaker 3: department boarding, and so that is when patients spend more
Speaker 3: than twelve hours in the emergency department.
Speaker 4: And what we.
Speaker 3: Found is that we see overall emergency department boarding went
Speaker 3: up for everyone and is continuing to increase into twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, and especially for those who were in the
Speaker 3: emergency department for what's called behavioral health boarding, So for
Speaker 3: people who come to the emergency room primarily for a
Speaker 3: behavioral health condition, we see this going up.
Speaker 2: Can I refer to that. Can I refer to that
Speaker 2: so the audience will understand as a mental health crisis?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so it could be a mental.
Speaker 2: Sometimes if you use different words, different language, Yeah, someone
Speaker 2: gets offended. So so if someone's having a crisis, uh,
Speaker 2: and they either on their own come to the emergency
Speaker 2: room or they're brought there by a loved one or
Speaker 2: by a friend, those wait times are lasting longer. Do
Speaker 2: we have an er doctor shortage? Is that? Is that
Speaker 2: contributing to this at all? Or is there a spike
Speaker 2: in in in emergency room visits. I assume that over
Speaker 2: the course of some time, the same percentage of people
Speaker 2: would sprain an ankle or or cut their hand or
Speaker 2: bumped their head, And I mean, there's no crisis in
Speaker 2: terms of I assume the number of patients or the
Speaker 2: number of doctors.
Speaker 3: Or is there Well, actually that's a great question. So
Speaker 3: what we what we see is the total number of
Speaker 3: visits overall to the emergency department is actually still a
Speaker 3: little bit lower than it was uh pre pre COVID.
Speaker 3: But what what is happening is that we are seeing
Speaker 3: that people are staying for longer lengths of stay in
Speaker 3: the inpatient setting. Uh, well, I'm going to back up
Speaker 3: for a second.
Speaker 5: If that's okay.
Speaker 3: We are there are multiple things happening at the same time.
Speaker 3: So one of the things that's happening is that patients
Speaker 3: are spending longer in the inpatient setting, either because they
Speaker 3: are in need of more care and needs to stay
Speaker 3: there longer, or because we're having a hard time discharging
Speaker 3: them to uh to something to like oppost acute care
Speaker 3: setting to nursing home, something like that. We also, at
Speaker 3: the same time know that there's some challenges with getting
Speaker 3: access to behavioral health care in general. In fact, the
Speaker 3: Massachusetts Health Policy Commission was commissioned was casked with starting
Speaker 3: a behavioral health Workforce center, so something that's that's something
Speaker 3: that we're working on to better understand the needs of
Speaker 3: the behavioral health workforce in Massachusetts, so patients can act
Speaker 3: us care outside of the emergency department and be quickly
Speaker 3: placed with care in the community when when it's appropriate
Speaker 3: for them to be taken care of in a community
Speaker 3: setting or at Again, I got.
Speaker 2: To be honest with your doctor. It sounds to me
Speaker 2: like I don't know how to say this politely, but
Speaker 2: it sounds to me that this is kind of a
Speaker 2: mathematical formula. And unless if there's no real uptick in visits,
Speaker 2: and if we haven't cut back staff over time, the
Speaker 2: average weight should you know, it's almost supply and demand.
Speaker 2: If there's enough doctors and the visits have diminished, you
Speaker 2: would think that the length of time average weight would drop.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me this really is really all behaviorally related.
Speaker 2: And either the behavior the people who are in need
Speaker 2: of some mental health care are either staying longer because
Speaker 2: they need to be treated longer, or maybe is there
Speaker 2: an uptick in the behavioral care visits. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: really struggling to understand this, and I know we're getting
Speaker 2: tight on time.
Speaker 3: Well, there's there's a you're hitting on a third point,
Speaker 3: which is, uh, there there is an increased need for
Speaker 3: behavioral health services or mental health services, and so the
Speaker 3: why is that, Well, there there are a lot of
Speaker 3: theories out there, but we know that from from surveys
Speaker 3: that have been done that that there is an increased
Speaker 3: need for mental health services and people are seeking mental
Speaker 3: health services and are having a hard time finding some
Speaker 3: of those services. And for some of those people, if
Speaker 3: they if they can't get into the right services, you know,
Speaker 3: the front door. They they do end up in the
Speaker 3: emergency room as a place of care.
Speaker 2: Doctor Nasudi, I apologize profusely for the technical problem on
Speaker 2: our end, and perhaps we could we could have you back.
Speaker 2: I can talk to my producer about having you back
Speaker 2: for maybe an hour and talk about this and give
Speaker 2: you a chance to explain it a little more in depth.
Speaker 2: I know that we're pressed for time in this interview,
Speaker 2: and again it's on it's our fault, a technical problem
Speaker 2: on our end problem. I think it's something that that
Speaker 2: it would be well for us to spend a little
Speaker 2: more time and perhaps even take some phone calls from listeners.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to my producer reach back to you
Speaker 2: if that's okay with you, and we can you know,
Speaker 2: we can take our time a little bit more than
Speaker 2: we did tonight. I thank you so much for your
Speaker 2: time tonight, and again my apologies for the technical issues
Speaker 2: on our end.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Again. Mental health care is very important in Massachusetts and anywhere,
Speaker 2: and let's understand it in a longer form conversation. Doctor
Speaker 2: Laura Nusudi, director of Research and Analytics with the Health
Speaker 2: Policy Commission, thanks again. Doctor. When we come back, we're
Speaker 2: going to have everything squad away and we're going to
Speaker 2: talk with a prior guest in this program, doctor Scott Bond.
Speaker 2: He's a criminologist and he focuses on serial killers, and
Speaker 2: he will be appearing at the Wilber Theater in Boston
Speaker 2: in March twenty third, so you may want to listen
Speaker 2: very closely. He's been a great guest and I think
Speaker 2: he puts on a great presentation. Will at the Wilburg.
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Speaker 2: twenty four seven. My name is Dan Ray. Off to
Speaker 2: a little bit of a rocky start, but it's only
Speaker 2: going to get better from here. We'll be back on
Speaker 2: night Side right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Want to welcome back an old friend of this program.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say an old friend, but a friend of
Speaker 2: this program, doctor Scott Bond. He's a criminologist. Dr Bond.
Speaker 2: Sorry about getting to you a little bit late. We
Speaker 2: had some technical difficulties off the top with our first guests,
Speaker 2: so we're going to get right to it. You have
Speaker 2: a big show coming up at the Wilbeth Theater in
Speaker 2: Boston on March twenty third. Many of my listeners know
Speaker 2: exactly your background and what you do, but tell us
Speaker 2: about the show and tell us why people should should
Speaker 2: show up at the Wilba Theater on March twenty third
Speaker 2: to see this event.
Speaker 4: Dat Dan, I really appreciate it. It's great to be here.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I am really excited the wilburg I understand.
Speaker 4: Is that just a beautiful theater. I'm excited to to
Speaker 4: bring my my show there. And yes, my my goal
Speaker 4: is to take the audience inside the minds of some
Speaker 4: of the most diabolical characters of all time that I
Speaker 4: have actually interacted with, gotten inside their their pathological minds.
Speaker 4: And I'm talking about individuals like the son of Sam
Speaker 4: David Berkowitz, the buying torture kill strangler who is Dennis Raider,
Speaker 4: also the Long Island serial killer, allegedly Rex Huerman.
Speaker 2: And you know, I know that you've talked to some
Speaker 2: of these Hueman is still he's a waiting trial, is
Speaker 2: he not?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he is, he is.
Speaker 2: And as I want to make sure, I just want
Speaker 2: to make sure to protect us legally here that he
Speaker 2: enjoys the presumption of innocence until his trial.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely. And I think I said, I think
Speaker 4: I said allegedly, Uh, I just want.
Speaker 2: To, like I said, have you ever I know you've
Speaker 2: spoken to some of these convicted serial killers as human been.
Speaker 2: Have you had access to him or no?
Speaker 4: Well, my relationship there, how I got involved was back
Speaker 4: in twenty ten when the Gilgo four were first found
Speaker 4: there on that desolate area of Gilgo Beach on the
Speaker 4: long Shore south shore of Long Island. The New York
Speaker 4: Times newspaper asked me to put together an extensive profile
Speaker 4: of this unknown killer, which I did and utilizing techniques
Speaker 4: that I learned firsthand from the founding profilers there in
Speaker 4: the FBI, Quantico, Virginia, their Behavioral Science Institute, and I
Speaker 4: put together an extensive profile that some years later in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, when Huberman was arrested nailed him to
Speaker 4: a t one hundred percent, even to the extent that
Speaker 4: I said he probably lived in the very neighborhood in
Speaker 4: which those bodies were found, which is absolutely true. In fact,
Speaker 4: you can see his burial ground from his backyard there
Speaker 4: in the south shore of Long Island.
Speaker 2: Well, my question is is there a commonality? And I
Speaker 2: know that we're a little tight here on time, and
Speaker 2: I want to again mention in people. Tickets are available
Speaker 2: through the Wilworth Theater in Boston from March twenty third.
Speaker 2: That is a Sunday night if I'm not mistaken, or
Speaker 2: is it Sunday afternoon?
Speaker 4: It is Sunday evening seven pm. Is the start of
Speaker 4: the show?
Speaker 2: Great, Okay, So is there a commonality? I mean, other
Speaker 2: than the fact that these people obviously are sociopaths. If
Speaker 2: you're killing anyone who's an innocent victim, unless you're killing
Speaker 2: someone in self defense, I think you're a sociopath. But
Speaker 2: if you're killing Malta, if you're a serial killer, you're
Speaker 2: clearly a sociopath. What is it? What is the common
Speaker 2: strain that runs through them? A messed up childhood? Is
Speaker 2: it that they just can't stand other people? Is there
Speaker 2: can you synthesize that for me, I've never asked you
Speaker 2: ken question before.
Speaker 4: I think, yes, it's a fantastic question, which I get into,
Speaker 4: obviously in great detail in my show. But to try
Speaker 4: to reduce it down to one answer. First of all,
Speaker 4: eighty percent of serial killers are either psychopaths or sociopaths.
Speaker 4: They are not clinically or legally mentally ill. They have culpability,
Speaker 4: they know that it's wrong to kill, they don't care.
Speaker 4: The remaining twenty percent are actually mentally ill, schizophrenic, paranoid, schizophrenic, psychotic,
Speaker 4: et cetera. Now, the vast majority, the eighty percent, these individuals,
Speaker 4: they are as different as night and day. They come
Speaker 4: in every race, every gender, every sexual orientation, IQ, education, religiosity,
Speaker 4: you name it. But they do have one single common denominator, dan,
Speaker 4: and that is that for these rare individuals, the killing
Speaker 4: of complete strangers over a long period of time, develops
Speaker 4: inside of them a psychological craving, a hunger, a lust
Speaker 4: for blood that only killing will satisfy. And the exact
Speaker 4: nature of that fantasy, and it's borne out through fantasy
Speaker 4: varies by serial killer. It can be power and control,
Speaker 4: it can be a mission that they decide they need
Speaker 4: to rid the world of a certain type of individual.
Speaker 4: It can be visionary in the case of David Berkowitz,
Speaker 4: he believes Satan was driving him to kill, and it
Speaker 4: can be lust or sexual desire. In the case of
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Dahmer, it was the seventeen men that he killed.
Speaker 4: He had sexual lust and desire for them. But if
Speaker 4: you can unlock the fantasy need for a particular serial killer,
Speaker 4: his psychological craving, then you can understand his pathology and
Speaker 4: you can go a long way toward predicting his future
Speaker 4: behavior and ultimately apprehending him.
Speaker 2: My guest, doctor Scott Brown, he is a fascinating guest.
Speaker 2: He's been on the show as recently as last year.
Speaker 2: He will be appearing live what's called a live theatrical
Speaker 2: event at the Worldworth Theater in Boston on Sunday evening,
Speaker 2: March twenty third. Cont I think it's going to be
Speaker 2: a great show and I recommend him highly. Doctor Scott Bond,
Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us. Again. We went into
Speaker 2: our newscast a little bit to try to make it
Speaker 2: up to you, but we had some technical issues early,
Speaker 2: so thank you so much. Your good sport and best
Speaker 2: of what I hope you enjoy Boston.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Dan, great to be here.
Speaker 2: Absolutely great to talk with the CAAM will talk soon.
Speaker 2: All right, when we get back, right after the newscast,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk to another doctor. This is doctor
Speaker 2: Deborah Cato. She's the co director of the Stanford Center
Speaker 2: on Longevity and the longtime dog Mom. Anti aging pills
Speaker 2: for dogs have cleared an FDA hurdle. That's the good news.
Speaker 2: But there's a doctor who says unforeseen problems can occur
Speaker 2: with new drugs that are still in testing. We'll be
Speaker 2: back with doctor Deborah Cato right after this, and after
Speaker 2: nine o'clock we'll be talking with state Auditor Diana Dezaglio
Speaker 2: about her quest to follow through and what the voters
Speaker 2: have requested lust fall. During the election of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: they said that the voters in Massachusett by an overwhelming margin,
Speaker 2: want the state legislature to be audited. It's our tax
Speaker 2: money they're playing with. And Diana Dezaglio will talk about
Speaker 2: the battle with the legislature ongoing back on Nightside right
Speaker 2: after this.
Speaker 1: You're on Nightside, Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, Welcome back everyone, Thank you very much, Nicole.
Speaker 2: It is said of dogs, the dogs don't live long enough.
Speaker 2: The reason is that you know, dogs are probably on
Speaker 2: average they live ten to twelve years on average, and
Speaker 2: sometimes if you get a dog that lives for fifteen years,
Speaker 2: you can consider yourself to be blessed, doubly blessed, not
Speaker 2: only that you have the companionship of a dog and
Speaker 2: a friendship of a dog, but you have them for
Speaker 2: longer than you would expect. With us, as doctor Deborah Cardo,
Speaker 2: she's the co director of the Stanford Center on Longevity.
Speaker 2: I assume that's a Stanford Center on Longevity for human beings.
Speaker 6: Doctor Cardo, Yes, that is correct, it's for human beings today.
Speaker 6: We don't have a dog representation there.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you're a longtime dog mom and I'm a
Speaker 2: longtime dog dad, so we have that in common. So
Speaker 2: I didn't realize, to be honest with you, that there
Speaker 2: are anti aging pills for dogs that have cleared a
Speaker 2: key FDA here hurdle. Tell us about that.
Speaker 6: Yes, apparently a company based in San Francisco has cleared
Speaker 6: a hurdle that I guests shows safety in giving a
Speaker 6: pill that affects the metabolism of older dogs weighing over
Speaker 6: fourteen pounds that perhaps increases their health and lifespan, so
Speaker 6: that they've been approved to now conduct a larger study
Speaker 6: of about one thousand dogs recruited across that nary practices
Speaker 6: across the United States to see if in fact this
Speaker 6: works better than a placebo good tasting pill for the dogs.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the bottom line is these pills. I don't
Speaker 2: want people running to the vet tomorrow and saying we
Speaker 2: want them anti aging pills for Fido. These pills are
Speaker 2: not available commercially at this point.
Speaker 6: Correct, That is correct, Although the study is enrolling through
Speaker 6: veterinary practices across the United States. So if one were
Speaker 6: so inclined, they could try to find a veterinarian who's
Speaker 6: participating in the study and become enrolled, although they wouldn't
Speaker 6: be guaranteed they have a fifty fifty chance of actually
Speaker 6: getting the pill with this special compound versus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my audience understands that.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is a test.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the is the list of the veterinarians available.
Speaker 2: If there are people in my audience who are who
Speaker 2: would like to have their dog participate in this is
Speaker 2: there other than going through a list of just calling
Speaker 2: veterinarians at random. Is there a way in which we
Speaker 2: can help people find the veterinarians who are participating in
Speaker 2: this study?
Speaker 6: That is correct, There is a way, and I did
Speaker 6: a little preparation for this call. They're the name of
Speaker 6: the company that's giving or testing this drug is called
Speaker 6: Loyal and they have a website that you can look
Speaker 6: up how you could enroll your dog in which veterinarians
Speaker 6: are participating in the study.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm assuming you don't have that website off
Speaker 2: the top of your head.
Speaker 6: That is correct.
Speaker 2: They're probably giving it to me. Okay, it's amazing. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me see this like l.
Speaker 6: O y A L. And then if you put anti
Speaker 6: aging dogs, I think anybody can.
Speaker 2: Here's the deal. I got it. I got it even
Speaker 2: more quick, pretty adept at this stuff. Doctor loyal dot
Speaker 2: com good news. It's one stupid and it says be
Speaker 2: the first to know when we release more details on
Speaker 2: our products. I'm a dog owner, I'm a veterinary professional.
Speaker 2: So so what do the clinical trials so far suggest
Speaker 2: that the that the light? What? What? What is the
Speaker 2: potential lifespan Obviously, even if this meets all the criteria
Speaker 2: of the FDA, we're not going to have dogs living
Speaker 2: to you know, to forty five years of dog you know,
Speaker 2: dog life, I mean of you know, forty five human years.
Speaker 2: How much do you think if this is successful, that
Speaker 2: you know, Fido's life can be extended a couple of years.
Speaker 6: Well, given that I would have not participated in the trial,
Speaker 6: I don't know what the compound even is. It would
Speaker 6: be hard for me to project on what the UH
Speaker 6: life extension capabilities are and if in fact health span
Speaker 6: is improved as well. So those are things that they
Speaker 6: will test. And generally for human trials we like to
Speaker 6: go at least three years. So I'm sure it can't
Speaker 6: be forty five years because the trial it would be
Speaker 6: forever to get FDA approved.
Speaker 2: So I was spenting tongue in cheek at that point,
Speaker 2: meaning not that that the trials would be for forty
Speaker 2: five years. But you know, whoever is running this saying
Speaker 2: if we're successful, you know some mad scientists, if we're successful,
Speaker 2: your dog will live for forty five years. I just
Speaker 2: I'm assuming we don't script these questions, as you probably know,
Speaker 2: So I'm sure questions that you and you're doing great.
Speaker 2: Just just bear with me here for a second. So
Speaker 2: we at least have the website loyal dot com. People
Speaker 2: can go look at it now. In the prep work
Speaker 2: that I have here, there's some suggestion that one doctor,
Speaker 2: and maybe that's you, is suggesting that unforeseen problems can
Speaker 2: occur with any new drugs that are still you know,
Speaker 2: obviously in testing, has there been any despite the FDA
Speaker 2: approval or whatever prop you know, sometimes there's there's a
Speaker 2: preliminary approval and a temporary improval, your final approval. I mean,
Speaker 2: the f d A has their own system. What's what's
Speaker 2: the potential downside or is there any potential downside or
Speaker 2: unforeseen problems?
Speaker 6: Well on the company website, we're not privy to that information,
Speaker 6: and perhaps they're not even any concerns, but oftentimes we
Speaker 6: do have things that crop up that we can't predict.
Speaker 6: So it could be anything from earlier heart attacks to
Speaker 6: worstening physical function, to tummy aches, two mood changes. We
Speaker 6: just we just don't know. But I think they are
Speaker 6: planning to measure all of those things so that they
Speaker 6: can get a sense if the DUG is doing what
Speaker 6: it needs to do. In terms of the metabolism, maybe
Speaker 6: flowing the metabolism as well as increasing health span and lifespan.
Speaker 2: Okay, so now let me ask you one other question
Speaker 2: that is nonscript from a medical point of view, and
Speaker 2: as a veterinarian, you're my medical expert for the moment here,
Speaker 2: So and you're at Stanford, which is a good school.
Speaker 2: Do you think that if they're successful in terms of
Speaker 2: extending the lifespan of dogs through you know, the miracle
Speaker 2: of science, could that have some application or in your opinion,
Speaker 2: is the composition, the physical composition of dogs, the DNA
Speaker 2: of dogs so different from human beings, although they are
Speaker 2: men's best friend and woman's best friend too, that this
Speaker 2: is not likely going to have an application dog to human.
Speaker 6: Well, as you said, Dan, I am a huge dog lover.
Speaker 6: In fact, dogs were my first kids, and dogs have
Speaker 6: contributed over the past century in terms of improving the
Speaker 6: lives of humans, not just by being a pet of
Speaker 6: many owners across the world, but also through scientific investigation.
Speaker 6: So without dogs, we would have not discovered the cause
Speaker 6: of diabetes, for example, But back then they had to
Speaker 6: do they weren't treating the dogs to make them live longer.
Speaker 6: They were trying to get at the mechanisms of why
Speaker 6: what's happening in the pancreas, and they found insulin through
Speaker 6: their studies on dogs and so and then as a
Speaker 6: medical student, for example, in the eighties, we were told
Speaker 6: that this is why I remember it is that we
Speaker 6: could learn about the anatomy and how to perform surgeries
Speaker 6: by doing surgeries on dogs who didn't have homes. And
Speaker 6: that was tough for me, honestly to do that. But
Speaker 6: surgeons learned on real tissue and realizing that the anatomy
Speaker 6: is quite similar. So I can foresee that if this
Speaker 6: drug is successful in the dog, there may be certain
Speaker 6: applicability also to humans. And the beauty of doing the
Speaker 6: study and the dog is also the reason why they're
Speaker 6: being studied is that they don't live as long as
Speaker 6: we do. So it's very hard in humans to show
Speaker 6: efficacy because what are we actually measuring. We can't wait
Speaker 6: for people to die. But for dogs, since their time span,
Speaker 6: you know, the lifespan is shorter, we are able to
Speaker 6: see those outcomes.
Speaker 2: Everyone. When you spell the word dog backwards, it spells God.
Speaker 2: And that's the way you feel about dogs, to be
Speaker 2: really yes.
Speaker 6: And what I was going to say. What I was
Speaker 6: going to say was also that scientists who study geroscience
Speaker 6: in humans, they do believe when you say forty five
Speaker 6: years for they'd be like, right on, if you get
Speaker 6: at the basic underlying mechanisms, why not, why is that
Speaker 6: not possible? Why just like living on Mars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's hold I would prefer to extend the
Speaker 2: life longevity of dolls then being able to live on
Speaker 2: Mars every day of the weekend twice on Sunday. I
Speaker 2: think it would be much better for us. Anyway, Thank you,
Speaker 2: doctor Carter. I really do appreciate your time tonight. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Take care.
Speaker 2: You're welcome when we get back. When it top about
Speaker 2: daylight savings time, it beckons this weekend spring forward is
Speaker 2: this weekend, but it might affect your sleep and your health.
Speaker 2: We'll talk with a doctor, a medical director of the
Speaker 2: Center for Sleep Bedicite, a tough medical center. Right after
Speaker 2: this quick break on night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Big event this weekend. It's not the Super Bowl, March Madness,
Speaker 2: it's not the opening of the baseball season, it is
Speaker 2: the arrival of daylight saving Time this Sunday morning, about
Speaker 2: two am. And with us is doctor Artie Grover, the
Speaker 2: medical director of the Center for Sleep Medicine at Tuft's
Speaker 2: Medical Center. Doctor Grover, welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 5: Hi, goodness, good evening, Dan. How are you nice to
Speaker 5: speak with you?
Speaker 2: Very nice to speak with you. You know, we really
Speaker 2: don't everybody thinks we gain an hour of daylight. We don't.
Speaker 2: We just kind of switch it around. It'll be a
Speaker 2: little darker in the morning and lighter in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: And of course, as the sun continues its annual expedition,
Speaker 2: we I should say, take our annual expedition around the sun.
Speaker 2: We will get more light up until around June twentieth
Speaker 2: or so, and then the process will reverse. However, just
Speaker 2: to change as I understand that it does impact people's
Speaker 2: sleep and their health. I've never been impacted by this.
Speaker 2: I noticed it for a couple of days, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't impact me. Maybe it's impacting me and I don't
Speaker 2: know about it. So what are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: Dr Grover?
Speaker 5: Okay, so that very good question. So just to kind
Speaker 5: of look back at a little bit of history, you know,
Speaker 5: we know that a daylight standard. Daylight saving time was
Speaker 5: created during World War One, initially and then eventually in
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty six it was adopted by the federal government
Speaker 5: where most states adopted it, and we accept couple of
Speaker 5: states like Arizona and Hawaii doesn't observe this. So daylight
Speaker 5: standard time actually does affect our circadian clocks. So this
Speaker 5: is our internal clocks that are not aligned with the sun. So,
Speaker 5: like you said earlier, the daylight standard time, we think
Speaker 5: we're saving daylight, we are actually not saving anything and
Speaker 5: we're actually misaligning with our internal clocks. So as you know,
Speaker 5: as we all know, we've spring forward the second Sunday
Speaker 5: of every March every year and we fall back in
Speaker 5: November the first Sunday usually, so our standard time which
Speaker 5: starts in November. Now that time is what is aligned
Speaker 5: with the sun and our internal clocks, and this is
Speaker 5: what works best for humans and other mammals, whereas daylight
Speaker 5: standard time saving time actually affects us negatively, and a
Speaker 5: lot of the studies have shown that that it can
Speaker 5: lead to car accidents. Even that one hour of sleep
Speaker 5: debt that we create the week with the day off
Speaker 5: Sunday into the following week. It takes a while before
Speaker 5: us to adjust. Most of us do adapt over the
Speaker 5: next one to two weeks. We will all adapt by
Speaker 5: mid March or maybe a little bit later. But a
Speaker 5: lot of the people do get affected by this change
Speaker 5: of one hour because of the misalignment, because our circating
Speaker 5: costs affect our hormones, our temperature, our mood, and alertness
Speaker 5: because we are mammals who get exposed to light in
Speaker 5: the morning and that affects us. So just that those
Speaker 5: small change can you know, can increase car accidents, risk
Speaker 5: of car accidents, mood disorders, high risks of suicides, high
Speaker 5: risks of party vascular events like heart attacks and strops.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so those are some of the negative health
Speaker 5: effects that we see in some of the data and
Speaker 5: all the studies that we've seen from the help expert
Speaker 5: point of view. So yeah, so it definitely has negative effect,
Speaker 5: and I'm glad you're not affected by it.
Speaker 2: Well I'm really not. I mean, obviously, that's sun when
Speaker 2: you lose an hour of sleep supposedly, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I lose hours of sleep every night. I have a
Speaker 2: sleep sedule. I work until midnight and when I'm done
Speaker 2: I should probably consult you sometime professionally. When I work
Speaker 2: at midnight, I'm I'm wired, you know, and it's like
Speaker 2: I can't just go to sleep. I mean, I'm doing
Speaker 2: like the Globe crossword puzzle, trying to make myself drowsy.
Speaker 5: I say this to all of my patients that if
Speaker 5: you are twelve o'clock, is my sixth or seven o'clock,
Speaker 5: then I'm finished with work. Then I need a couple
Speaker 5: of hours to unwind before I go to sleep. So
Speaker 5: I recommend the same for you that you know, for
Speaker 5: your getting off of work at midnight, You're not going
Speaker 5: to want to go to sleep at twelve fifteen, right,
Speaker 5: You need like a couple of hours to unwine.
Speaker 2: You try to try to minimize it because if you
Speaker 2: don't go to sleep until two o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's January or July, then you're getting
Speaker 2: six five hours or six hours sleep. Because when the
Speaker 2: sun comes up and the world starts to the normal
Speaker 2: world starts to wake up, you got to kind of
Speaker 2: be with with the world everything.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there is that concept of social jet lag
Speaker 5: that we have to live with the world that we
Speaker 5: live in.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 5: Our brain doesn't work that way, right, Our internal clocks
Speaker 5: or how sleep we all need is important.
Speaker 2: So yeah, one of the things that I that I do,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, is if I can get
Speaker 2: to the gym five six four or five six days
Speaker 2: a week, that actually re energizes me, to.
Speaker 5: Be honest, that's so.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost as good as sleep anyway.
Speaker 5: I mean we all need that a little bit of
Speaker 5: adrenaline rush, whatever that workout means for us working out
Speaker 5: in the gym, dancing, or just going for a quick
Speaker 5: walk or a quick run to energize ourselves. I think
Speaker 5: anyway you can get any exercise during the days, it
Speaker 5: can be helpful and it can help our Please, that's.
Speaker 2: Critical in my world, Doctor Grover. Appreciate your time, and
Speaker 2: we'll I'm sure talk to you maybe later on during
Speaker 2: the year when we reverse this cycle.
Speaker 5: Okay, oh absolutely, that will talk about more detrimental stuff
Speaker 5: from that change.
Speaker 2: Thanks, doctor Grover, Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: For your with you. Thank you great.
Speaker 2: Have a great rest of the night. Enjoy all right,
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