Speaker 1: When you look on the sky, do you feel the
Speaker 1: poll the question why the stories told and left behind
Speaker 1: in shadows where the truth we find? They built their
Speaker 1: tails on grafts and lights on theories.
Speaker 2: They stay there, designed.
Speaker 1: Put down here on this solid ground.
Speaker 2: The answer screamed, They're.
Speaker 3: All round.
Speaker 1: Right, the same break through all the.
Speaker 2: Fat Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world.
Speaker 2: It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm your host is always George Hobbes. I hope this
Speaker 2: message finds you well as we record. It's Tuesday, August fifth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. And joining us today from the show
Speaker 2: Me State is Darren. Darren, Good afternoon again. Thanks so
Speaker 2: much for taking the time out of your busy schedule
Speaker 2: to join us today.
Speaker 4: Of course, thanks for having me on yep.
Speaker 2: And why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to
Speaker 2: the audience.
Speaker 4: Okay, Like I said, my name is Darren.
Speaker 5: I've kind of always been interested in a fair amount
Speaker 5: of conspiracy theories and wasn't really exposed to the idea
Speaker 5: of flat earth till later in life.
Speaker 4: I kind of was odd.
Speaker 5: Right before I was exposed to it, I had watched
Speaker 5: several documentaries and read books and felt like I truly
Speaker 5: had this understanding of how the Earth was, how the world,
Speaker 5: the galaxy and all the universe created, the individual atoms
Speaker 5: slamming together and creating new elements in these stars and
Speaker 5: all this stuff.
Speaker 4: And then end up a random.
Speaker 5: Conversation about camping, the guy who couldn't sleep, just talking
Speaker 5: at a tent, and he's kind of listening to you
Speaker 5: rambalant about stuff, and we're talking about the Bible and
Speaker 5: all of my knowledge on how the universe was created,
Speaker 5: and then he starts saying certain things, and I finally
Speaker 5: it was kind of listening consens like do you think
Speaker 5: the Earth is flat? And I never talked to a
Speaker 5: quote unquote flat earther before, and I'm kind of just
Speaker 5: listening to him, and then come to find out he's
Speaker 5: starting talk about the math and certain things. And I'm
Speaker 5: starting to think I'm the crazy one now because everything
Speaker 5: he's saying is making sense and I can't refute anything
Speaker 5: he's saying. And then the next day we're heading home
Speaker 5: and I had to call my wife. I was kind
Speaker 5: of nervous to talk to her because who wants to say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I think the Earth is flat? Like it's obviously not.
Speaker 5: And of course start looking into it, and here we
Speaker 5: are on the coming on the show, and start looking
Speaker 5: into the Bible. And I'd always grew up thinking, well,
Speaker 5: it was written in terms they understood. They thought earth
Speaker 5: is flat. And then you start saying intentional wording like
Speaker 5: placed on the foundation, so it should never be moved.
Speaker 5: That's not an accident, that's not just words and the
Speaker 5: best of your descriptions. That's purposeful and meaningful.
Speaker 2: Why they said that, Yeah, And one of the common
Speaker 2: things people will say was like, oh, they weren't very
Speaker 2: smart back then. I would challenge anybody that they were
Speaker 2: more in tune with the world and how the things works.
Speaker 2: Like if you look at I think it's Jubilees, chapter ten.
Speaker 2: It talks about how Noah went and gathered every remedy,
Speaker 2: like they knew exactly if you had a cold dandelion nettle,
Speaker 2: like everything had a use for it. And at some
Speaker 2: point in our life everything was hijacked medicine, you know, Copernicus.
Speaker 2: Obviously there's things they say, you know, happen longer ago,
Speaker 2: but I think the real push was about five hundred
Speaker 2: years ago, and they hijacked everything and all of it,
Speaker 2: whether it's the Big Bang theory or heliocentrism or evolution,
Speaker 2: it's all too trivial, trivialize God, right, That's really what
Speaker 2: it is. And like you said when we were talking earlier,
Speaker 2: once you see these things, there's no going back, and
Speaker 2: then the veil kind of falls from your eyes and
Speaker 2: you're able to see through the other lies, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: more easily.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's one of those.
Speaker 5: I mean, everywhere I go, I'm starting to We were
Speaker 5: at a park the other day and I could see
Speaker 5: this tower way off.
Speaker 4: In the distance.
Speaker 5: It's like most normal people, I kind of pull out
Speaker 5: my compass and get Asthmthus.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go back and get on maps.
Speaker 5: I'm going to measure out how far that tower is
Speaker 5: and just see how the math and everything works up.
Speaker 5: Actually was trying to do that this morning, and I
Speaker 5: was scanning through and I went quite a ways out.
Speaker 5: I still haven't found the water tower it was. But
Speaker 5: it's just you start to notice things in life and
Speaker 5: all these different aspects and it starts to really add
Speaker 5: up that maybe you were fooled your entire life.
Speaker 2: How did that make you feel when you finally you
Speaker 2: know settled yet Yep, the Earth is flight did you was?
Speaker 2: Was it a big shift in your life? Was it
Speaker 2: something that you were kind of like disappointed in yourself.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the way I felt that, you know, man,
Speaker 2: they got one on me over again. Or was it
Speaker 2: kind of an excitement that you wanted to share with everyone.
Speaker 5: It was kind of an excitement. I wanted to share it, definitely,
Speaker 5: I was. I didn't feel like you normally do when
Speaker 5: you feel fooled. I kind of really deep into my
Speaker 5: faith and kind of has set me on a new path.
Speaker 5: I wanted to share with people, and I was very foolish,
Speaker 5: and I wanted to share it with my brother. And
Speaker 5: I'd never talked to him about heart of any conspiracy theories,
Speaker 5: even like the moon landing, and I dived straight into this,
Speaker 5: and of course, come to find out, he doesn't.
Speaker 4: There's zero chance the moonlanding was faked.
Speaker 5: And so I learned, like, maybe there's some things you
Speaker 5: start off with when you start to talking about people
Speaker 5: like this and the breadcrumbs and I myself talking to
Speaker 5: the guy.
Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't rude to them.
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, this guy is crazy, but I kind
Speaker 5: of want to hear what he has to say, and
Speaker 5: it turns out, okay, I learned something. I've learned a
Speaker 5: lot from the show, as far as maybe leave some
Speaker 5: bread crumbs, just mentioned some things and let them kind
Speaker 5: of be like, oh, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: Where did you hear about this? What else do you have?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's important because there's a very good
Speaker 2: chance they're going to come across that again, whether it's
Speaker 2: a TikTok video or social media, or they hear something
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, I remember, you know this guy
Speaker 2: talking about it. Maybe there's something to it, just enough
Speaker 2: to get them curious enough to get them look at
Speaker 2: it on their own, because that's the key. You can
Speaker 2: talk to you till you're bluing the face. If they
Speaker 2: are not willing to listen, it's a losing battle.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And to me, like the math is a big
Speaker 5: deal where most of the math they push out like, well,
Speaker 5: we have a lot of people that don't believe in God,
Speaker 5: but the sun's ninety three million miles away. We trust
Speaker 5: them because it's numbers and someone in authority said it.
Speaker 5: But when you start especially a big part to me
Speaker 5: was the ballistic math and artillery and certain weapons systems
Speaker 5: where these this curvature's not added in there, and I
Speaker 5: mean you're you're told about like the choreolis effecting this,
Speaker 5: and it's like, well, it should have a drastic effect
Speaker 5: in different directions you're shooting, not just oh, it's always
Speaker 5: going to be this direction. This is your formula for
Speaker 5: can constantly vary on whichever range you're at by which
Speaker 5: direction the range is facing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting because a lot of military guys Jose
Speaker 2: who his podcast will be dropping tomorrow night, he was
Speaker 2: in the military. He was a commo guy, and we
Speaker 2: have a lot of line of sight equipment, right, commo equipment,
Speaker 2: and we have retransites out there because our line of
Speaker 2: sight only goes so far, so they set up like
Speaker 2: a relay antenna that sends it forward. And you know,
Speaker 2: we think of these things through my life, whether it's
Speaker 2: my fifth grade teacher explaining gravity, spinning a bucket with water,
Speaker 2: where you see these line of sight things, but we
Speaker 2: just never take that next step on our own. It
Speaker 2: seems like like we just it's not that important anyway, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we just whatever is kind of in
Speaker 5: the media at the time is what we're worried about it.
Speaker 5: We're completely panicked about whatever issue it is, and then
Speaker 5: the next day the media changes and we've forgotten completely
Speaker 5: about it. I mean, now we've got this al in
Speaker 5: spaceship coming that could possibly be a threat. But it's
Speaker 5: the most grany image. It's somehow like the picture of
Speaker 5: the lockless monster.
Speaker 4: You'd see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have beautiful pictures of galaxies and stars millions
Speaker 5: of light years away, but this thing that's possibly an
Speaker 5: impending threat on the Earth, we've got this picture from
Speaker 5: eighteen twenty five.
Speaker 2: It really is a shame that we are so quick
Speaker 2: to these divide and conquers schemes that they have right
Speaker 2: and people are more concerned about the left and the
Speaker 2: right paradigm than they are just concentrating on their faith
Speaker 2: and helping out their fellow human I think that's something
Speaker 2: that we have to do a better job. I even
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of people who we you know,
Speaker 2: the quote unquote normies are starting to see that a
Speaker 2: lot of this is nonsense, and you know, it's not
Speaker 2: really America first and and I guess this is a
Speaker 2: great transition time here COVID because COVID woke a lot
Speaker 2: of people up and you have a very interesting story
Speaker 2: about COVID it and how where you were in the
Speaker 2: world and how that all came about, if you'd like
Speaker 2: to share that.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean we had we just landed in Guam
Speaker 5: and we were going to the PX on the Navy
Speaker 5: base and there's this line just out the door, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, I'm not getting anything today. I mean,
Speaker 5: I've never seen it like that. I mean, those have
Speaker 5: been in the military, especially the PX is like overseas,
Speaker 5: like even Black Friday, Like you wake up at nine o'clock,
Speaker 5: there's some people that get there at like four or
Speaker 5: five o'clock in the morning, but after a couple hours
Speaker 5: it's all gone. You can just go in and shop freely.
Speaker 5: So I did not know what was going on for
Speaker 5: this PX to be backed out the door. We'll kind
Speaker 5: of find out that COVID was going on, and it's
Speaker 5: social distancing and masks, and I mean throughout Asia, I
Speaker 5: mean I honestly, I mean if it was not for
Speaker 5: the News, I would have not even known COVID was
Speaker 5: a thing. I mean, granted that throughout a lot of Asia,
Speaker 5: masks are a common thing. If they're sick, they're going
Speaker 5: to wear them, and they do that. I mean, most
Speaker 5: Asians are just much more courteous than Americans, so I
Speaker 5: were pretty kind of selfish. People don't be that offensively.
Speaker 5: We've got our two speakers and we're just kind of
Speaker 5: in our own world where it's they're just a little
Speaker 5: lot more respectful to each other. So the mask wasn't
Speaker 5: a shock. And especially living in a country with mask,
Speaker 5: you would not know COVID was a thing without the
Speaker 5: media telling you it was so deadly. And I actually
Speaker 5: got COVID in quarantine. I was getting out of the
Speaker 5: military at the time, and you had to go. They
Speaker 5: had this barracks and they have their protective caution tape.
Speaker 5: You're not allowed to cross this border. But people are
Speaker 5: coming there every single day, and you got to be
Speaker 5: there for two weeks in order to leave. Well, everyone
Speaker 5: musters in this one tiny little room every morning. So
Speaker 5: the guys that's been there for two hours and the
Speaker 5: guy's been there for two weeks, all are crammed into
Speaker 5: this room to get accountability of everyone.
Speaker 4: And it's just foolish to me.
Speaker 5: I mean, if it was actually something severe, I mean,
Speaker 5: because I got COVID there, I mean, it sucked for
Speaker 5: about a day. I mean, I know some people were
Speaker 5: a little less fortunate, but it was not near the
Speaker 5: risk I had been preached to about.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like everything else, even with the flu,
Speaker 2: that the annual flu, it's going to affect. People who
Speaker 2: have other issues are going to have more of a chance, right,
Speaker 2: And and that's life. And we've never shut down the
Speaker 2: world before because of an illness. And that is something
Speaker 2: that I took, you know, I took very personally. And
Speaker 2: I've encouraged other pastors to write letters and send them
Speaker 2: to their state senators, to their state reps, to their governors,
Speaker 2: to their sheriffs and tell them that you're never going
Speaker 2: to shut down again. And I've laid out templates for
Speaker 2: people to use. It's very important, especially if you if
Speaker 2: you lead a church, to lead and understand that the
Speaker 2: church is more important than than the liquors. You know,
Speaker 2: the liquor stores stayed open, the abortion clinics, state open,
Speaker 2: all these things that they deemed, you know, essential, right,
Speaker 2: and then they looked at the mom and pop stores
Speaker 2: and said, you're non essential. And we saw just it
Speaker 2: was the biggest transition of wealth in our history, literally
Speaker 2: from the from the middle guys to the wealthy, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll ever truly recover from it.
Speaker 5: No, I was I was reading some statistics and it said,
Speaker 5: and I haven't verified this, but one hundred percent of
Speaker 5: small businesses closed within the first year of not.
Speaker 4: Being allowed to be open.
Speaker 5: It's just I think we've gotten in this almost self
Speaker 5: police state. So I was talking before. We run a
Speaker 5: homestead and we sell raw milk, and I had posted
Speaker 5: on a Reddit chat for homesteading that this was for
Speaker 5: sale in case anyone in our state was interested in it,
Speaker 5: and the moderator of the chat actually had to come
Speaker 5: on and say, stop reporting this guy, it's legal, Missourian.
Speaker 5: It's like you had the opportunity say it was illegal here.
Speaker 5: You had the opportunity to comment on there or message
Speaker 5: me privately say hey, you might want to check the
Speaker 5: laws in the area. This may not be legal. Instead
Speaker 5: of doing that, we're just going to report it. We
Speaker 5: have to report everything. Everything needs to be a new law.
Speaker 5: There's no ability for individuals to discern what is right
Speaker 5: or wrong. If we don't like something, we have to
Speaker 5: pass legislation to make there be a consequence for this choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, and I don't understand why anybody
Speaker 2: in their right mind would want to give this government
Speaker 2: more power. There is a growing trend where I live.
Speaker 2: I'm in a more rural area like yourself, where we
Speaker 2: all do transactions in cash.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, and that's one thing they want to
Speaker 5: get rid of. I mean most of our businesses in cash.
Speaker 5: I mean occasionally a check, and I mean there's one
Speaker 5: or two people that will send cash app or Venmo,
Speaker 5: but most of it's cash. And I mean that gets
Speaker 5: to be dangerous. You cannot see where our money's going,
Speaker 5: or of course they're not getting their cut of it,
Speaker 5: which is a big thing I worried about.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's why we're intentionally we don't want to
Speaker 2: do business with the government that is not looking out
Speaker 2: for our best interest. If you're right, if you're taking
Speaker 2: upwards of twenty I think for some folks, twenty four
Speaker 2: percent of their money, which means twenty four percent of
Speaker 2: your efforts to feed your family, to provide to your
Speaker 2: family go to an entity that isn't looking out for you.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a part of that's system.
Speaker 2: I want to keep as far out as I can. Right,
Speaker 2: and people think We've been trained to think that if
Speaker 2: we vote harder, if we get out there and we say,
Speaker 2: this guy's going to take care of us, everything's going
Speaker 2: to be fine. But even the most diehard and I
Speaker 2: was on the Trump train ten years ago, too, right,
Speaker 2: and you realize it's all it's all a show that
Speaker 2: if you are on the world stage, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if you're in my opinion, if it's music, if it's
Speaker 2: whatever it is, you're part of the show. You're a
Speaker 2: character in the show, whether it's Mark Zuckerberg or Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: or Kamala Harris or you know, named the biggest pop
Speaker 2: star out there. I think you have to be part
Speaker 2: of the club to be on the stage. That's my opinion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I would definitely agree. I think a
Speaker 5: big problem is us as a people. We've lost ability
Speaker 5: to research. We do confirmation biased. I want to believe
Speaker 5: this is true, so I'm going to find stuff that
Speaker 5: says this is true rather than going into it.
Speaker 4: And I used to be that guy.
Speaker 5: And I was fortunate enough in high school I had
Speaker 5: a teachers formerly in the Armies, lieutenant colonelies. He made
Speaker 5: us do It was a political science class and we
Speaker 5: had to debate things. But we had to give a
Speaker 5: presentation on the pros and cons and I had to
Speaker 5: do one on gun control, and I am very staunchly
Speaker 5: against gun control, but having to research both sides it
Speaker 5: makes me more informed. I had another teacher and didn't
Speaker 5: believe in evolution, so he refused to take a class
Speaker 5: on it. And I'm not saying I believe in evolution
Speaker 5: at all, especially there. That's a whole another rabbit trail
Speaker 5: for probably a different kind of show. But if you
Speaker 5: if you don't believe in something like educate yourself on
Speaker 5: it so you can be informed rather than just saying, oh,
Speaker 5: that's a lie, that's not true.
Speaker 4: And honestly, I think.
Speaker 5: That's a lot of what you see when you think
Speaker 5: of a quote unquote flat earther is they're just shoving
Speaker 5: this down in your throat and making out like like
Speaker 5: you're just dumb and you're crazy, rather than having this conversation.
Speaker 5: And in our day to day politics, we hate each
Speaker 5: other because we picked that left or right rather realize
Speaker 5: there's for the most of us. Now, there are some
Speaker 5: a little crazier than others, but most of us could
Speaker 5: sit down and have dinner and have a decent conversation
Speaker 5: regardless of who we voted for.
Speaker 4: But the media tells us that's not possible.
Speaker 2: That's really important, you know, You and I and many
Speaker 2: of the military guys who's been on this before understand
Speaker 2: what combat is. And for us not wanting our children
Speaker 2: or grandchildren to go off to combat doesn't make us
Speaker 2: flame and libtards, as they say, right, it just means
Speaker 2: that we care about humanity and the true reason for
Speaker 2: war is either for resources for minerals or for that
Speaker 2: first rule on the Georgia guidestones, which is keeping humanity
Speaker 2: at five hundred million. It's population control, and it really
Speaker 2: and you made a great point, by the way, so
Speaker 2: many of the touchy subjects that I'll get emails about,
Speaker 2: just for instance, like the Little season, or you know
Speaker 2: that there's been a big push for this messianic a
Speaker 2: lot of our listeners won't eat pork anymore, and things
Speaker 2: of that nature. I've researched it. I think it's okay
Speaker 2: to have a conversation. So for me, I'll go research
Speaker 2: these things that I hear and then I'll make a decision.
Speaker 2: But since I've done that research, I'll be able to
Speaker 2: instead of just saying I don't believe that. Why, well,
Speaker 2: I just don't believe that. I can articulate why I
Speaker 2: don't believe that, because I've researched it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: My mom actually gave me one of the best confidents
Speaker 5: I've given in my life. And most of my family
Speaker 5: has definitely drifted away from God.
Speaker 4: And I was talking to my song.
Speaker 5: She's like, yeah, you guys definitely take the Bible a
Speaker 5: little more hard core than everyone else. And I was like,
Speaker 5: I mean, I know you didn't mean that politely, but
Speaker 5: when we take this as a complient.
Speaker 4: I was speaking.
Speaker 5: Specifically about the pork issue and reading the Bible, I
Speaker 5: found things that makes it seem like it's justified to me.
Speaker 5: And I mean absolutely, if I'm wrong, I'm always open
Speaker 5: to reading additional information. But she was like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: you'll have to do no shell fish and all this. Yes,
Speaker 5: that's where we're at when we were researching. That's what
Speaker 5: God calls you to do is more important than what
Speaker 5: you want to do. I can put down some shrimp.
Speaker 5: You give me a five gallon bucket of shrimp and
Speaker 5: it's going to be empty. But if God is telling
Speaker 5: me I can't do that, that's what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 5: and that.
Speaker 2: Is something it's interesting. You know I've mentioned before, Now
Speaker 2: that I'm in seminary, I'll be honest with you, I
Speaker 2: have more questions than I do that I did before
Speaker 2: I started. And it's part of it is because whether
Speaker 2: you know you're in one denomination, every pastor within that
Speaker 2: denomination is going to give you different answers to your questions.
Speaker 2: So it's important. Like I encourage people to listen to
Speaker 2: the podcasts and they have their favorite YouTubers, but there
Speaker 2: is nothing that can replace sitting down and reading the
Speaker 2: Bible for yourself.
Speaker 5: I mean, I definitely one hundred scent agree with that.
Speaker 5: I've learned so many things I never heard in church
Speaker 5: by just reading the Bible. And if it's a living word,
Speaker 5: I mean it's it's meant to speak different things at different.
Speaker 4: Points in your life.
Speaker 5: Sometimes this relevance, this information is not needed in this
Speaker 5: time of life.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 5: You're going to come back and like, wow, this is
Speaker 5: this is completely different when I read it before. And
Speaker 5: any church you go to you should be rea on
Speaker 5: your own, not just okay. We go to church for
Speaker 5: an hour a week, maybe two hours, and then we
Speaker 5: go on about our day like that that makes God
Speaker 5: a hobby at best, where says man can live on
Speaker 5: the word alone rather than by food. I know I
Speaker 5: butchered that scripture, but I think the message is still there.
Speaker 5: You're meant to do much more than just go to
Speaker 5: church on Sundays. And I think a lot of us
Speaker 5: we've struggled with our own church right now because it
Speaker 5: is all about the membership. We preach the love and
Speaker 5: the mercy of God, and I'm not saying those things
Speaker 5: don't need me preach, but there's some It mentions the
Speaker 5: wrath of God a lot more than it mentions the
Speaker 5: mercy and the Bible.
Speaker 2: He is a loving God and he loves us all,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't love our sin. And I think that's
Speaker 2: where people kind of don't get it, and they don't really.
Speaker 2: So two of the big things that I push is discipleship,
Speaker 2: because I realized I couldn't save the world by myself
Speaker 2: by creating disciples, and they creating disciples is how it's done.
Speaker 2: But also getting people to understand what repentants me. Right,
Speaker 2: when Johnny gets shot, gets caught with his hand in
Speaker 2: the cookie jar, is he is he sorry he got caught?
Speaker 2: Or is he sorry he disobeyed his mom, He's sorry
Speaker 2: he got caught. And repentance is understanding your actions are
Speaker 2: sinful and then actually attempting to change your life, to
Speaker 2: turn it around, as they say, turn from sin, turn
Speaker 2: to God.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think the tolerance preached today and I'm not
Speaker 5: advocating for the bullying and belittling of anyone for whatever
Speaker 5: beliefs they have, even if you think they're wrong. But
Speaker 5: the tolerance is just the Satanic opposite of repentance. It
Speaker 5: says that everything is okay, not that, oh I've messed up.
Speaker 5: I need to ask God for forgiveness and I need
Speaker 5: to truly repent. You are turning yourself away from that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there should be a sense of urgency.
Speaker 2: I think we are coming. And again let me preface
Speaker 2: this with I am not a prophet by any stretch,
Speaker 2: but if you look at the math, you know, I
Speaker 2: do believe that the world was created in seven six
Speaker 2: literal days and then he rested. But I also think
Speaker 2: there is something to every thousand years being a day
Speaker 2: as well into the future. And if you look at
Speaker 2: the seven year Plan with the three Great Epics being
Speaker 2: two thousand years a piece and then Jesus dying, you know,
Speaker 2: at thirty a D which would be the four thousand
Speaker 2: a D mark. We're only five years away really from
Speaker 2: that end of that six thousand years into the seven thousand.
Speaker 2: If you look at it now, people will go back
Speaker 2: and forth on the timeline. But and if you just
Speaker 2: look at the way of the world today and the
Speaker 2: way technology is evolving and how Sin is glorified, it
Speaker 2: seems like things have been sped up, almost as if
Speaker 2: Satan realizes the end is a year and he's trying
Speaker 2: to take everyone with him as the end nears. What
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 5: Kind of especially with like the parable where he's going
Speaker 5: and hiring the workers and it pays them the same
Speaker 5: while they're at morning or noon of an evening.
Speaker 4: I would definitely agree. I think it's getting close.
Speaker 5: But I think we should live our lives as if
Speaker 5: it's going to happen tomorrow the same as if it's
Speaker 5: going to happen ten thousand years from now, because we
Speaker 5: truly don't know when it's going to happen, and just
Speaker 5: being prepared and trying to be the best that you
Speaker 5: can to be aware of that and I part of
Speaker 5: it is to go back to the whole Bible believer part.
Speaker 5: The devil has won so much by spiritual warfares. That's
Speaker 5: not a thing that there's no God is good, but
Speaker 5: there's no evil. Like I don't understand how that works.
Speaker 5: And you will seldom find a church that talks about
Speaker 5: they'll read the spiritual stuff that happened in the Bible,
Speaker 5: but it's gone, it doesn't happen today. And I think
Speaker 5: that's a big victory for Satan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. And that's why I do think
Speaker 2: that we've seen in just the last two hundred people
Speaker 2: who's come on this program is testament to it. People
Speaker 2: are waking up in droves that they're seeing this sin
Speaker 2: and they're turning to God. It's amazing to see how
Speaker 2: passionate people have become. I mean, think about it, people
Speaker 2: are willing enough to I mean five years ago, how
Speaker 2: many people that have been on this podcast would have
Speaker 2: even thought that they would come on and talk about
Speaker 2: biblical cosmology and things of that nature. So I do
Speaker 2: think there is something too, a great awakening people noticing
Speaker 2: and understanding the spiritual warfare, and that's really what it is.
Speaker 2: It's psychological warfare with the fear mongering, but it's at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's spiritual warfare.
Speaker 4: Yes, definitely.
Speaker 5: I mean I think there's really no consequences if I'm
Speaker 5: wrong on everything. I'm believing that the world is how
Speaker 5: the Bible says it and putting my faith in the word.
Speaker 5: I had a teacher growing up, and she was very Christian,
Speaker 5: and she said, even if I'm completely wrong, I've lived
Speaker 5: a better life. There's no consequences for following Christ. And
Speaker 5: if you're wrong, and by no means my saying realm
Speaker 5: of possibility in my mind that I am wrong. But
Speaker 5: if I am, there's no consequences for that. If you believe,
Speaker 5: if you live your own life and ador sin and
Speaker 5: just do things on your own, there are severe consequences
Speaker 5: for being wrong about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely to me. I think it's important right now
Speaker 2: that so many people our Bible believing Christians and are
Speaker 2: passionate about the truth. But at the same time, we
Speaker 2: still have this quandary with sending our children to public schools.
Speaker 2: And you have one or two hours, like we said,
Speaker 2: Sunday school in church of being told about Genesis and
Speaker 2: these things, and then we send them off to the
Speaker 2: public schools. Not everybody. Obviously a lot of us homeschool.
Speaker 2: We've heard that, and a lot of people go to
Speaker 2: private schools, and there are some great public school systems
Speaker 2: out there as well throughout the country. However, we know
Speaker 2: as a whole, as a snapshot, the public school system
Speaker 2: doesn't really align with our faith. How do you think
Speaker 2: the way forward is? How do we solve that problem?
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that the biggest, the best way
Speaker 5: forward in my mind is this to have this community.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's very hard for over blessed.
Speaker 5: My wife is able to homeschool and I do the
Speaker 5: best I can to help with that, and it's just
Speaker 5: not an option for everyone. But if you get these
Speaker 5: small communities that come together and do homesteading and find
Speaker 5: ways to make money and live. I mean, it's nice
Speaker 5: to take a vacation every year and do all of
Speaker 5: these things, but ultimately, I don't think those things are
Speaker 5: a priority. You have to reevalue what's important in life.
Speaker 5: Is that time with family and your children and being
Speaker 5: present more important than having the extra money for the
Speaker 5: vacations and the nicest new cars. I think coming together
Speaker 5: and having that community also allows multiple instructors, so.
Speaker 4: You do get more than one point of view.
Speaker 5: One thing I definitely don't want to push on my
Speaker 5: children is I don't want to push my views on them.
Speaker 5: I want to teach them how to think, how to
Speaker 5: come to conclusions, and hopefully they have the same mindset
Speaker 5: I do. But they need to be able to go
Speaker 5: out in the world and discern what is true and false.
Speaker 5: If I just tell them how to think or tell
Speaker 5: them what to think, they don't have the ability. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they agree with me, and it's great. We can sit
Speaker 5: around the dinner table and talk about whatever political issu
Speaker 5: we want. But they're going out on their own and
Speaker 5: they're just saying, oh, this is nonsense because it doesn't
Speaker 5: agree with me, when maybe there's some truth to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think critical thinking is one of the lost
Speaker 2: starts that we don't see much in the world today.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times a week when
Speaker 2: I go out into town or whatever, when people come
Speaker 2: on a problem, they just lock up. They don't there's
Speaker 2: no problem solving skills, And that's, to me, is something
Speaker 2: that everyone's even if your mom and dad working two
Speaker 2: jobs and the children go to public schools, teach critical thinking.
Speaker 2: Say you have two hundred and fifty dollars you have
Speaker 2: to get from California to Maine, go on Travelocity to
Speaker 2: just do it. There's so many ways to teach critical
Speaker 2: thinking and to get them to think outside the box,
Speaker 2: because so many people are only taught one way of learning,
Speaker 2: and that hinders critical thinking. And when they get in
Speaker 2: a real life situation and they don't know how to
Speaker 2: go about solving that problem, they're always going to have
Speaker 2: to rely on their phone. That's the first thing they
Speaker 2: will do. They will go to Google and say or hey, Siri,
Speaker 2: how do I And And maybe that's not the greatest thing.
Speaker 2: Critical thinking is something that I really learned in the
Speaker 2: Army because anytime you're going out on a mission, you
Speaker 2: have Plan A, you have Plan B and Plan C.
Speaker 2: Because nothing ever goes two plans, so you have to
Speaker 2: have backup plans. And that's why we had something called
Speaker 2: ARS after action reviews, and that's why you know, after
Speaker 2: you've done something, take what was good about what you did,
Speaker 2: what was not so good? What can you change going forward?
Speaker 2: These all important things that we can utilize in life
Speaker 2: and in our faith.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think, especially in the military, I made quite
Speaker 5: a career of just asking why are we doing it
Speaker 5: this way? And there were some people like, well, just
Speaker 5: how we always done it, and then they're just Okay,
Speaker 5: let's maybe think of a better way to do things.
Speaker 5: And because sometimes I mean especially yourself in military, there
Speaker 5: are some things that are dumb that you just logic
Speaker 5: is absent from the problem solving formula and it's just
Speaker 5: they do the same thing. That's how I've always done it,
Speaker 5: and we create these little robots. And one thing I
Speaker 5: really appreciated about the Australian military as you could stay
Speaker 5: at lance corporal for twenty years because some people are
Speaker 5: not leaders. But the US military will promote you to failure.
Speaker 5: Whether you're going out on the field or you're working
Speaker 5: on humbies or airplanes or whatever. Those guys doing the
Speaker 5: important hands on task, very few of them have more
Speaker 5: than six or seven years of experience, and often less
Speaker 5: because those that do have experience have been promoted up
Speaker 5: to doing other things and they've either succeeded or failed,
Speaker 5: and some of those that failed would have excelled at
Speaker 5: keeping doing the same.
Speaker 4: Job they're doing.
Speaker 5: Now you have that hands on guy that has twenty
Speaker 5: five years of experience he's not in leadership because he
Speaker 5: doesn't excel at that, but he has the knowledge and
Speaker 5: the problem solving and just the general experience to be
Speaker 5: much more of an asset.
Speaker 2: So I'm so glad you said that. Outside of the
Speaker 2: military taking away the shining of boots and pressing uniforms,
Speaker 2: which that's really when I started to notice the discipline
Speaker 2: fall away. The Army used to have something called Spec four,
Speaker 2: Spec five, Spec six, and I think Spec seven, and
Speaker 2: that's exactly it. If you had a mechanic, right, and
Speaker 2: he was an awesome mechanic, you could just keep them
Speaker 2: within the specialist ranks, but he would go up to
Speaker 2: five to six to seven. And they got rid of
Speaker 2: that after Vietnam, and that is exactly what happened. They
Speaker 2: had great guys who were mechanics, who you know in
Speaker 2: all the moss, but they had zero leadership skills, which
Speaker 2: isn't a terrible thing, but the Army's convinced you can
Speaker 2: make anyone a great leader, and that's just not the case.
Speaker 2: And the problem is if that guy doesn't get promoted again.
Speaker 2: I've saw guys who were in their mos just exceptional,
Speaker 2: exceptional and no matter what it is. But if you
Speaker 2: don't get promoted by his certain year, they kick you
Speaker 2: out of the army. I forget, I don't remember that term. Right,
Speaker 2: if you didn't get promoted like to E five by
Speaker 2: the tenth year, you would get transferred out of the
Speaker 2: army because you didn't do that. So you're losing a
Speaker 2: great mechanic. He just happened not to have any leadership skills, right,
Speaker 2: he did terrible in front of the board or whatever
Speaker 2: the case is. But it's just they really need to
Speaker 2: bring that back because not everybody is a great leader.
Speaker 5: And even with the test taking, we had someone who
Speaker 5: switched from the Navy to the Marines and he never
Speaker 5: made it past E three or E four because he
Speaker 5: was a horrible test taker but excellent marine, I mean dependable.
Speaker 5: Could You could assign him anything and he would get
Speaker 5: it done. He just wasn't good at taking tests. So
Speaker 5: therefore in the Navy he's not getting promoted.
Speaker 2: That's terrible. That's something they really need to go back
Speaker 2: and fix. Let's get to your silver bullets when it
Speaker 2: comes to flat Earth. What are the six things that
Speaker 2: really helped you prove without a doubt that we are
Speaker 2: not living on a spinning ball.
Speaker 5: I'd say the key one is starting to read into
Speaker 5: the Bible, and then just I feel like most people
Speaker 5: are regurgitating the same things over overgam I know we
Speaker 5: can definitely see too far flying back and forth Acroust.
Speaker 5: I always knew it was faster one way than the other.
Speaker 5: But when you start doing the math of how first
Speaker 5: how fast the Earth is spinning, it's like it should
Speaker 5: be a big difference in which direction you're traveling, and
Speaker 5: that's just not there. Start looking at the emergency landings
Speaker 5: and the aviation side is definitely something that anyone should
Speaker 5: be able to question. And looking at the moon landing
Speaker 5: and starting as I'm researching why that was possibly faked,
Speaker 5: like okay, well maybe it's it's not what it wasn't
Speaker 5: real because it's not possible, and there's certain things to
Speaker 5: me in the Bible which reaffirms it. We're talking about
Speaker 5: the sun. The moon was black and the sunquit shining,
Speaker 5: and certain these things will maybe the moon was red,
Speaker 5: but I'm butchering that part. But it's the way I
Speaker 5: read it was. It's not possible on a heliocentric model
Speaker 5: because the moon is just a reflection and you start
Speaker 5: to see and observe different things, and it really starts
Speaker 5: to stick out that maybe I was lied to and
Speaker 5: maybe this is incorrect myself, I still go, maybe am
Speaker 5: I wrong? Is it possible that I was just tricked again?
Speaker 5: But everything I see and just all the observable factors
Speaker 5: of life. If you knew nothing and I said, what
Speaker 5: plane do you live on, everything you could observe on
Speaker 5: Earth is going to tell you it's flat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your thought of that the moon is a
Speaker 2: reflection of where we see it from? Because it's interesting
Speaker 2: if you google why do we only see one side
Speaker 2: of the moon? They claim it's because the Moon's rotation
Speaker 2: period is, you know, synchronized with Earth's orbit, which is
Speaker 2: just ridiculous.
Speaker 5: I mean, I have not looked a whole lot into it.
Speaker 5: I know some people say it's a reflection Earth, but
Speaker 5: then there's additional lands outside of it, and to me,
Speaker 5: that kind of is convoluted with the biblical narrative of Okay,
Speaker 5: we have this firmament and so if the Earth we
Speaker 5: know is we talked about, we go to Antarctica and
Speaker 5: there's that firmament. Now, I mean, I'm not putting God
Speaker 5: in a box here, as lands outside of the firm,
Speaker 5: but I would the way I understand is it couldn't
Speaker 5: be additional land outside. And I'm honestly pretty ignorant on
Speaker 5: the moon itself. It's not something I've had a whole
Speaker 5: lot of time to dig into, but it definitely curious about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Bible is very clear that it's its
Speaker 2: own light.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean everything just I mean it talks of
Speaker 5: the Earth was created before the sun and the stars
Speaker 5: and the moon. Yeah, and it doesn't it just had up.
Speaker 5: But to quote these scriptures we have to go in
Speaker 5: our own mindset and and justify, oh, well, they didn't
Speaker 5: know what they were talking about, and they didn't know
Speaker 5: this or that. And it's like, so you're saying that
Speaker 5: it's written solely by man with no influence from God.
Speaker 5: I think we often mentioned earlier, like we just put
Speaker 5: God in this box. We have the Bible and God
Speaker 5: and we have science, and I leave everything God says
Speaker 5: and the Bible as long as it fits with my
Speaker 5: ever important science.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. And again, there's going to be a lot
Speaker 2: of things that we don't understand until we cross over
Speaker 2: to the other side, and then we look down and
Speaker 2: we'll be like, oh, Okay, that makes sense, right. So
Speaker 2: would you say flat earth itself for biblical cosmology is
Speaker 2: the reason that your whole life has changed and you've
Speaker 2: dove back into the Bible and now here you are
Speaker 2: homesteading and homeschooling.
Speaker 5: I would say definitely it was. It was a big
Speaker 5: turning point, and I think it's it's one of those
Speaker 5: I've seen several things who talks about when God kind
Speaker 5: of opens your eyes to these things that there's no
Speaker 5: going back. You start to see things all over the world.
Speaker 5: You start to see sin more. I mean to me
Speaker 5: that the deeper I go into the Bible and my faith,
Speaker 5: the more sin I see in my life. And I
Speaker 5: don't know how you could do it any other way.
Speaker 5: I mean, you start to see I mean, as you're
Speaker 5: reading and all these things, like you start to realize
Speaker 5: that your heart really matters.
Speaker 4: A big issue I've been struggling.
Speaker 5: With lately with our church is it's a topic that's
Speaker 5: not taught to any church. But like pornography, no one
Speaker 5: talks about this, and we have several people that are
Speaker 5: on the brink of divorce because of pornography, and we're
Speaker 5: not going to talk about this, and we're not going
Speaker 5: to talk about how Yes, like I work with several people.
Speaker 5: Oh and they're married guys, and oh look at the
Speaker 5: rear on that girl. I mean they'reus some different language.
Speaker 5: But it's like that in self is sin. I mean
Speaker 5: you were lusting. I mean you're not physically touching or
Speaker 5: reaching out, but I mean that is sin, and that
Speaker 5: that that sin compounds and eventually can become bigger sin.
Speaker 5: And I think if we stop it at that route
Speaker 5: and have accountability, we can live much different lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Amen, that's something that should not be tolerated. And
Speaker 2: again that's you know, the diet cola of many churches today.
Speaker 2: They're afraid to touch the touchy subjects, and in some
Speaker 2: cases they're told to in these denominations right that they're
Speaker 2: told just preach the gospel, you know, seventh week after Pentecost,
Speaker 2: preach this and.
Speaker 5: And it's it's an awkward topic to talk about, especially a
Speaker 5: lot of the older people don't want to listen to it.
Speaker 5: The younger people don't want to admit they have a problem.
Speaker 5: And I mean it's not pleasant, but I feel like
Speaker 5: when you have such an issue in today's society, you
Speaker 5: have to address it and worry more about the message
Speaker 5: and the word than you are about attendance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the stats don't lie either. There's just as
Speaker 2: many people who are not in church that look at
Speaker 2: pornography as people who go to church. It's if you
Speaker 2: look at the numbers, maybe one or two percent difference.
Speaker 2: But it is something that really that needs to be addressed.
Speaker 2: It's not okay. It's there's no two ways about it.
Speaker 2: It's not okay. And sadly enough, those are the same
Speaker 2: people who are quick to, you know, point out homosexuality
Speaker 2: in these things. But sin is sin, and they need
Speaker 2: to understand that and they need to repent from it absolutely.
Speaker 4: I mean, but that's the thing you talk with sin
Speaker 4: a sin.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's, oh, well, uncle Billy getting another divorce,
Speaker 5: But then you talk about homosexuality, and certain things are
Speaker 5: looked on higher. And I'm not saying any is less
Speaker 5: than other, but also not more than another.
Speaker 4: I mean, you shouldn't.
Speaker 5: There shouldn't be this tolerance for some sin and not
Speaker 5: tolerance for additional sin.
Speaker 4: I think we should.
Speaker 5: We should hold each other accountable, and I mean we're
Speaker 5: more often to say if your pastors has a minstress
Speaker 5: on the side we're gonna gossip about it on the
Speaker 5: side rather than just go and And that's kind of
Speaker 5: an extreme example, but at the end, we should have
Speaker 5: accountability for each other rather than just we're so quick
Speaker 5: to gossip and all you're never gonna guess what I
Speaker 5: saw today, rather than to keep that secret, to go
Speaker 5: talk and do what's best for that person and all
Speaker 5: parties involved.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question, And just because
Speaker 2: I have, I get a lot of emails about this.
Speaker 2: Since you're awakening, have you seen your church in a
Speaker 2: different light?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Like we've almost been pulled to maybe start like
Speaker 5: a home church, especially specifically on the pornography. I've considered
Speaker 5: starting like kind of a small ministry night throughout the week,
Speaker 5: just to get some some guys together. Our our church
Speaker 5: has a men's ministry, but we get it's really fun.
Speaker 5: We'll split wood and we'll shoot guns. But what part
Speaker 5: of that is is ministry? I mean, it's it's really
Speaker 5: made me question that there's no accountability. It's all just
Speaker 5: preaching good things. I've never felt sitting in the pews
Speaker 5: like this repents like God's talking to me. It's just
Speaker 5: it's just something we do is a check in the
Speaker 5: box and it's now we do a lot on our own.
Speaker 5: We read the Bible and then that's where we get
Speaker 5: our stuff from it, and we love the people at
Speaker 5: our churches is a big issue. But seeing the church
Speaker 5: we've not seen, Yes, in short, yes, it's absolutely maybe
Speaker 5: see it a different light and maybe considered maybe we
Speaker 5: need to go a different direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fellowship is certainly a good thing, being able to
Speaker 2: fellowship with like minded people, like you know, spiritual minded people.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's also important that when we're gathered together,
Speaker 2: whether we're chopping wood or going to a baseball game,
Speaker 2: that we keep foremost in mind that we're representatives of
Speaker 2: God and we should have those challenging conversations. I know
Speaker 2: I've mentioned this before, but back during that first grade
Speaker 2: awakening before the Revolutionary War, Jonathan Edwards, he was a
Speaker 2: guy who they called him a brimstone and fire guy
Speaker 2: because he wasn't afraid to tell people that there is
Speaker 2: repercussions for your decisions and there is a place called hell,
Speaker 2: and a lot of pastors won't touch it because people
Speaker 2: don't like to hear that stuff. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: you should stand in the pulpit and yell about it.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, people need to be one
Speaker 2: hundred percent aware that like do you remember the old
Speaker 2: TV show from the eighties or nineties, Scared Straight Right,
Speaker 2: they would take the they'd walk the kids through jail,
Speaker 2: and they like, I'm never doing that again. But it's
Speaker 2: important to let people know, to have them understand. Even
Speaker 2: with the Apostles creed and the Methodist Church, the original
Speaker 2: one that was written during the the three hundred Ads
Speaker 2: said that on you know, Jesus died and he went
Speaker 2: hell and not he didn't he descended into hell to
Speaker 2: pastor to those people, the pre flood people, and they
Speaker 2: cut that out of the creed just because that's not
Speaker 2: something that we talk about. But that's literally those three
Speaker 2: days Jesus was dead, he was in shi Ole and
Speaker 2: he was also telling well, it's a long story. But
Speaker 2: that's how much people don't even want to mention it
Speaker 2: is that they'll literally alter a creed that was written
Speaker 2: eighteen hundred years ago.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, I just it becomes this message of
Speaker 5: positivity because I mean, the more members we have in church,
Speaker 5: the more people that are tithing. I mean, I look
Speaker 5: at my own church and we don't it's not a
Speaker 5: massive church, but any means.
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of.
Speaker 5: Things there, and I'm like, we just got a new bathroom,
Speaker 5: and like our old bathroom was fine. Like I feel
Speaker 5: like we could have used this money to maybe help
Speaker 5: people like anywhere too or more gathered. I'm there, like,
Speaker 5: it's not let's build these big things with a fancy
Speaker 5: coffee house and all the stuff. You see, especially some
Speaker 5: of the megachurches, Like we we could help people with
Speaker 5: this money instead of just build this quote unquote house
Speaker 5: for God where we go every couple of Sundays if
Speaker 5: we can, and if it's unless we've got a baseball
Speaker 5: game or a football game going on.
Speaker 2: Ay Man. And by the way, just to clarify what
Speaker 2: I was saying, if you look at one Peter three eighteen,
Speaker 2: and there's another verse I think it's in Ephesians, for
Speaker 2: it talks about Christ preaching to the spirits in prison
Speaker 2: after his death, basically talking about to those who disobeyed
Speaker 2: in the days of Noah, right, the pre flood folks.
Speaker 2: So yes, so there you go. What other things did
Speaker 2: you have? What other bullet points did you have that
Speaker 2: you wanted to mention.
Speaker 5: Let's see, I know I think that definitely. I mean
Speaker 5: a lot of it's just I start to see people.
Speaker 5: I mean, you can read into whatever you want. I've
Speaker 5: seen countless things where the Bible itself describes he the
Speaker 5: eccentric world. But I think it's just what we're called to.
Speaker 5: Satan tries to put all of these distractions in our life.
Speaker 5: There's no accountability, there's there's plenty of tolerance, and there's
Speaker 5: plenty of distractions. We were talking the other day and
Speaker 5: I was like, I mean, how many people, if we
Speaker 5: want to read the Bible for two hours a week,
Speaker 5: how many how much are we going to get done
Speaker 5: of that? Whereas if a new show comes out and
Speaker 5: we're going to watch three hours a night of it,
Speaker 5: not just two hours a week, three hours a night.
Speaker 4: And one thing I found myself is so I've got.
Speaker 5: An iPhone and you scroll down and it's got your
Speaker 5: your most frequently used app on there, And I've got
Speaker 5: the Bible app on my phone. A lot of times
Speaker 5: I listen to it while I'm driving or read if
Speaker 5: we're sitting.
Speaker 4: Down with anything to do.
Speaker 5: And I definitely think it's a lot more to reading
Speaker 5: a physical copy than there is to listening to it
Speaker 5: or reading it on the phone. But while I'm traveling
Speaker 5: around the easiest thing, I start to notice like okay,
Speaker 5: when there's certain times like okay, this is not I've
Speaker 5: got eight apps, so the top used. There's a problem
Speaker 5: if the Bible is not at least one of those eight.
Speaker 5: Now sometimes it changes to where what you just happen
Speaker 5: to use. But as a majority of me, if it's
Speaker 5: I think we start to count our screen time on
Speaker 5: Facebook and Instagram or whatever devices we have, and is
Speaker 5: that taking more time in the Bible. And I think
Speaker 5: many of us are guilty of it. I'm guilty of
Speaker 5: it myself oftentimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 2: ever even looked into that. I do have a question
Speaker 2: for you, though, have you ever taken the time to
Speaker 2: look at any of the apocryphal books or is that
Speaker 2: something that you've not really come across yet.
Speaker 5: So I'm just now kind of diving into that. I
Speaker 5: actually just yesterday or I know, I think it's coming today.
Speaker 5: I ordered like a copy of the Ethiopian Bible to
Speaker 5: get a lot of those books and to start reading
Speaker 5: and tell really a little bit after my wakening into
Speaker 5: flat Earth, I would consider myself a Christian, but it
Speaker 5: would definitely I was definitely that person where Jesus would say,
Speaker 5: depart from me, I don't know you and I so
Speaker 5: I really dove deep into the Gospel and reading, starting
Speaker 5: with kind of the bread and butter of Okay, here's
Speaker 5: the Word, here's the Gospel, and now I'm starting to
Speaker 5: go more through the Old Testament and started to expand
Speaker 5: into those books. I know, I was kind of reading
Speaker 5: a little bit of the Book of Enoch, and there's
Speaker 5: definitely books I want to it too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of question why they're not standard.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed, and people may not know, but that the
Speaker 2: Ethiopian Bible is either the or one of the oldest
Speaker 2: bibles Christian Bibles. It goes back to I think right
Speaker 2: after was it the Nicean Council is it called, right,
Speaker 2: the one that took place during three yeah? Three, the
Speaker 2: first Council of Nicea was the first gathering of Christian
Speaker 2: bishops in three twenty five AD. And that Bible came
Speaker 2: out right about that same time, and it included most
Speaker 2: of those apocryphal books.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean I think you see a lot
Speaker 5: of these books referenced and quote unquote canonical books that
Speaker 5: we see in the Bible, and so I think at
Speaker 5: the very least if we don't want to make them
Speaker 5: part of the canon. But you have no better commentary,
Speaker 5: especially if you're in san I'm sure you've seen, like
Speaker 5: I've got some commentary on Romans when I was taking
Speaker 5: some some biblical classes, And the stack of books I've
Speaker 5: got on just Roman is the size of eight Bibles.
Speaker 5: I mean, you have these commentaries to read through. I mean,
Speaker 5: they're referenced by people that we think their war is important,
Speaker 5: so why not read what they're referencing nicely.
Speaker 2: One of the best I have Martin Luther. He wrote
Speaker 2: commentary on Genesis chapters one through four, and even he says,
Speaker 2: you know, there's about six thousand years old, so it's
Speaker 2: that's from five hundred years ago, and it's important. You know,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people in certain denominations that
Speaker 2: will tell you it's blasphemous.
Speaker 5: I mean, how can you when you look at the
Speaker 5: timeline the Bible. That's to me like I've circled back
Speaker 5: to a couple of times. But the whole Bible believer,
Speaker 5: to me, is this crazy.
Speaker 4: Topic.
Speaker 5: Like if we're reading a book about the Civil War,
Speaker 5: It's there going to be a topic like, oh, you're
Speaker 5: a whole Civil War believer. Like, now we're reading the
Speaker 5: Bible that is given to us by God. We're going
Speaker 5: to pick and choose what we want to believe. I mean,
Speaker 5: because that was a big thing to me, like waking
Speaker 5: up and okay, maybe this is not as old as
Speaker 5: the say and starting to look at some of these
Speaker 5: fossils and realizing, okay, they weren't really found until like
Speaker 5: the eighteen hundreds, like late eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 4: Why were they never found.
Speaker 5: It any other point in human history?
Speaker 2: Do you think there's been a manipulation of our timeline?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: I think if it's there, it's is billions of years old,
Speaker 5: and we're on this planet that's one of an infinite
Speaker 5: number of planets. I think it's all about making you
Speaker 5: less relevant rather than God having a.
Speaker 4: Plan for you.
Speaker 2: Spot on, but well done. Yeah, I think we covered
Speaker 2: all the bases. Going back to your email, if there
Speaker 2: was nothing else you had to mention. As always, we
Speaker 2: give our guests the last word.
Speaker 5: On like, yeah, we've pretty well covered everything. I think
Speaker 5: just the big thing is whether it's your pastor or podcaster.
Speaker 5: I know you mentioned it before, but go verify. I mean,
Speaker 5: read the scriptures, read your own information in all aspects
Speaker 5: of your life. Just try to look at things as
Speaker 5: neutral as possible rather than the confirmation bias of just
Speaker 5: proving what you already believe. Now, I mean, if you
Speaker 5: come to that goal, great, but be you should go
Speaker 5: into if you're ever quote unquote researching anything, you should
Speaker 5: be going into with the mindset that you could possibly
Speaker 5: come out with a different outview on things. But I
Speaker 5: definitely appreciate all the time you've dedicated to this podcast.
Speaker 5: Sad to see it go, but as I listened through it,
Speaker 5: I see there's only so much you could do these
Speaker 5: interviews with people like us forever, but you've got time.
Speaker 5: Just needed to move on to other, not necessarily more
Speaker 5: important things. But we will have this podcast. We can
Speaker 5: go back and listen to as much as we want to,
Speaker 5: and you can move on to other things.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I appreciate your time. And I've learned so much.
Speaker 2: I guess I've learned something from every single person who's
Speaker 2: come on. So it's helped me grow and see things,
Speaker 2: and I hope it mirrors and everybody has learned something
Speaker 2: from each and every one of our guests, and as
Speaker 2: we can continue the journey home or I said, say
Speaker 2: the home stretch that sounds better will continue. I think
Speaker 2: we still have seven or eight more people lined up
Speaker 2: between now and the end of August. And I appreciate everyone.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Darren. God bless you and as you
Speaker 2: homestead and homeschool and you continue to grow spiritually. And
Speaker 2: to our listeners, thank you for your continued support. God
Speaker 2: bless each and every one of you. Keep your head
Speaker 2: on a swivel. And until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 2: we will see you.
Speaker 4: Jonah where you're.
Speaker 3: Running to the Sea's alive and godolling you. I heard
Speaker 3: the word it burned my soul preached it in out there,
Speaker 3: brought unch of control book. The ship sailed far from land,
Speaker 3: thought to slip the grip of the masters and the waves.
Speaker 2: Out a questions.
Speaker 4: Guy's turn black to us, bringing a note.
Speaker 5: Turning back, I said, it's me.
Speaker 3: I'm the one to blame to me.
Speaker 2: But let the sea running from the sea, running from
Speaker 2: the light.
Speaker 3: But you chased me down in the dead of ninety
Speaker 3: mercies deeper in the ocean store.
Speaker 6: You call me back, you open the door, swallowed.
Speaker 2: In the belly of you.
Speaker 3: Help me close when the donness tragic keep got you,
Speaker 3: let me go, You pulled me out.
Speaker 2: You have made me oh swallow cool.
Speaker 4: He's down in the beasts and breaks.
Speaker 2: Heart was pound and seeking your fakes.
Speaker 3: No I had to breathe, no light to see, but
Speaker 3: your voice was whispering over me.
Speaker 2: I can't forgive me.
Speaker 3: I've been in a food trying to write my story,
Speaker 3: broke every rule you heard, my friend from the death blow.
Speaker 2: The grease was rising with the currants, boat running from
Speaker 2: the truth, running from the cold. But she loves the
Speaker 2: anchor that catches my fall.
Speaker 4: Your mercy stronger than the stone's crool ars.
Speaker 2: You lift me up to the heavenly shirt.
Speaker 6: Swallowed in badly, the team held the close one stuck
Speaker 6: its shot to keep got bone.
Speaker 2: Let me go.
Speaker 6: You pulled me out of baby house ways and I'm scared.
Speaker 3: To go, but your fire is burning in my soul.
Speaker 6: Don't run, and no more des guys.
Speaker 2: I'll speak your truth. Need deal bescy.
Speaker 4: God saves the god who stores from the depths of
Speaker 4: the city.
Speaker 2: I'm swallowed.
Speaker 1: In badly.
Speaker 6: The team healthy clause one stock this sid to keep goton.
Speaker 6: Let me go, you pull me too, maybe follow.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to keep on it, but you can't hide.
Speaker 2: Gods off is the ocean styper ware, from the wheel
Speaker 2: to the shore, from the top to the light bound forever.
Speaker 2: I'm not to know you're listening to the Fact Hunter
Speaker 2: Radio Network. Just the facts, ma'am.