WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:22.280 When you look on the sky, do you feel the 2 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:31.239 poll the question why the stories told and left behind 3 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:38.880 in shadows where the truth we find? They built their 4 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:44.000 tails on grafts and lights on theories. 5 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:46.920 They stay there, designed. 6 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:52.960 Put down here on this solid ground. 7 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:56.640 The answer screamed, They're. 8 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:57.920 All round. 9 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:02.759 Right, the same break through all the. 10 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:10.560 Fat Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. 11 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:14.359 It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. 12 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:17.159 I'm your host is always George Hobbes. I hope this 13 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:20.920 message finds you well as we record. It's Tuesday, August fifth, 14 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:23.879 twenty twenty five. And joining us today from the show 15 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:28.159 Me State is Darren. Darren, Good afternoon again. Thanks so 16 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:30.079 much for taking the time out of your busy schedule 17 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:30.959 to join us today. 18 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:34.120 Of course, thanks for having me on yep. 19 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:36.040 And why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to 20 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:36.560 the audience. 21 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:39.879 Okay, Like I said, my name is Darren. 22 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:43.519 I've kind of always been interested in a fair amount 23 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:47.599 of conspiracy theories and wasn't really exposed to the idea 24 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:49.519 of flat earth till later in life. 25 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:51.280 I kind of was odd. 26 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.200 Right before I was exposed to it, I had watched 27 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:55.439 several documentaries and read books and felt like I truly 28 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:58.280 had this understanding of how the Earth was, how the world, 29 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:02.040 the galaxy and all the universe created, the individual atoms 30 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:04.760 slamming together and creating new elements in these stars and 31 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:05.599 all this stuff. 32 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.280 And then end up a random. 33 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.159 Conversation about camping, the guy who couldn't sleep, just talking 34 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:11.919 at a tent, and he's kind of listening to you 35 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:15.039 rambalant about stuff, and we're talking about the Bible and 36 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.199 all of my knowledge on how the universe was created, 37 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:21.800 and then he starts saying certain things, and I finally 38 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.319 it was kind of listening consens like do you think 39 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:27.719 the Earth is flat? And I never talked to a 40 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:31.960 quote unquote flat earther before, and I'm kind of just 41 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.479 listening to him, and then come to find out he's 42 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:35.560 starting talk about the math and certain things. And I'm 43 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:37.639 starting to think I'm the crazy one now because everything 44 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:40.599 he's saying is making sense and I can't refute anything 45 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.800 he's saying. And then the next day we're heading home 46 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:45.080 and I had to call my wife. I was kind 47 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:48.199 of nervous to talk to her because who wants to say, oh, yeah, 48 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:49.800 I think the Earth is flat? Like it's obviously not. 49 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.360 And of course start looking into it, and here we 50 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:55.360 are on the coming on the show, and start looking 51 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:57.719 into the Bible. And I'd always grew up thinking, well, 52 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.280 it was written in terms they understood. They thought earth 53 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:02.360 is flat. And then you start saying intentional wording like 54 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:04.680 placed on the foundation, so it should never be moved. 55 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:07.919 That's not an accident, that's not just words and the 56 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:10.719 best of your descriptions. That's purposeful and meaningful. 57 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:13.599 Why they said that, Yeah, And one of the common 58 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:17.039 things people will say was like, oh, they weren't very 59 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:20.080 smart back then. I would challenge anybody that they were 60 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.240 more in tune with the world and how the things works. 61 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:26.159 Like if you look at I think it's Jubilees, chapter ten. 62 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:31.759 It talks about how Noah went and gathered every remedy, 63 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:35.280 like they knew exactly if you had a cold dandelion nettle, 64 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.879 like everything had a use for it. And at some 65 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:43.439 point in our life everything was hijacked medicine, you know, Copernicus. 66 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:47.840 Obviously there's things they say, you know, happen longer ago, 67 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:50.120 but I think the real push was about five hundred 68 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.599 years ago, and they hijacked everything and all of it, 69 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.840 whether it's the Big Bang theory or heliocentrism or evolution, 70 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:04.800 it's all too trivial, trivialize God, right, That's really what 71 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:08.719 it is. And like you said when we were talking earlier, 72 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.520 once you see these things, there's no going back, and 73 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.120 then the veil kind of falls from your eyes and 74 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.240 you're able to see through the other lies, in my opinion, 75 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:17.920 more easily. 76 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:21.199 Absolutely, it's one of those. 77 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.079 I mean, everywhere I go, I'm starting to We were 78 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.920 at a park the other day and I could see 79 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:28.160 this tower way off. 80 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:28.759 In the distance. 81 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:31.319 It's like most normal people, I kind of pull out 82 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:33.000 my compass and get Asthmthus. 83 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:33.879 I'm gonna go back and get on maps. 84 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:35.920 I'm going to measure out how far that tower is 85 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:39.399 and just see how the math and everything works up. 86 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:41.439 Actually was trying to do that this morning, and I 87 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:44.079 was scanning through and I went quite a ways out. 88 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.480 I still haven't found the water tower it was. But 89 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:49.639 it's just you start to notice things in life and 90 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:52.600 all these different aspects and it starts to really add 91 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:54.519 up that maybe you were fooled your entire life. 92 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.519 How did that make you feel when you finally you 93 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:02.720 know settled yet Yep, the Earth is flight did you was? 94 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:04.560 Was it a big shift in your life? Was it 95 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.160 something that you were kind of like disappointed in yourself. 96 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:09.120 That's kind of the way I felt that, you know, man, 97 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:11.160 they got one on me over again. Or was it 98 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:14.399 kind of an excitement that you wanted to share with everyone. 99 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.680 It was kind of an excitement. I wanted to share it, definitely, 100 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:21.959 I was. I didn't feel like you normally do when 101 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.160 you feel fooled. I kind of really deep into my 102 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.279 faith and kind of has set me on a new path. 103 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.319 I wanted to share with people, and I was very foolish, 104 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:31.759 and I wanted to share it with my brother. And 105 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.120 I'd never talked to him about heart of any conspiracy theories, 106 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:36.439 even like the moon landing, and I dived straight into this, 107 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:38.319 and of course, come to find out, he doesn't. 108 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:40.680 There's zero chance the moonlanding was faked. 109 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:42.680 And so I learned, like, maybe there's some things you 110 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:44.360 start off with when you start to talking about people 111 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.439 like this and the breadcrumbs and I myself talking to 112 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:47.680 the guy. 113 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:48.600 I mean, I wasn't rude to them. 114 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.279 I'm like, Okay, this guy is crazy, but I kind 115 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:51.360 of want to hear what he has to say, and 116 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:54.160 it turns out, okay, I learned something. I've learned a 117 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.519 lot from the show, as far as maybe leave some 118 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:58.920 bread crumbs, just mentioned some things and let them kind 119 00:05:58.920 --> 00:05:59.959 of be like, oh, that doesn't make sense. 120 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:01.759 Where did you hear about this? What else do you have? 121 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.040 Yeah? I think that's important because there's a very good 122 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:07.199 chance they're going to come across that again, whether it's 123 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.560 a TikTok video or social media, or they hear something 124 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:13.079 and they're like, well, I remember, you know this guy 125 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.920 talking about it. Maybe there's something to it, just enough 126 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:19.120 to get them curious enough to get them look at 127 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:21.720 it on their own, because that's the key. You can 128 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.120 talk to you till you're bluing the face. If they 129 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:27.040 are not willing to listen, it's a losing battle. 130 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:30.680 Absolutely, And to me, like the math is a big 131 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.360 deal where most of the math they push out like, well, 132 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:35.800 we have a lot of people that don't believe in God, 133 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:38.000 but the sun's ninety three million miles away. We trust 134 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.319 them because it's numbers and someone in authority said it. 135 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:42.680 But when you start especially a big part to me 136 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.839 was the ballistic math and artillery and certain weapons systems 137 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.480 where these this curvature's not added in there, and I 138 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:51.680 mean you're you're told about like the choreolis effecting this, 139 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:53.519 and it's like, well, it should have a drastic effect 140 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:57.079 in different directions you're shooting, not just oh, it's always 141 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.680 going to be this direction. This is your formula for 142 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:03.519 can constantly vary on whichever range you're at by which 143 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:05.759 direction the range is facing. 144 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.399 Yeah, that's interesting because a lot of military guys Jose 145 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.839 who his podcast will be dropping tomorrow night, he was 146 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:16.000 in the military. He was a commo guy, and we 147 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.399 have a lot of line of sight equipment, right, commo equipment, 148 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:23.680 and we have retransites out there because our line of 149 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:25.560 sight only goes so far, so they set up like 150 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.560 a relay antenna that sends it forward. And you know, 151 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:31.959 we think of these things through my life, whether it's 152 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:35.279 my fifth grade teacher explaining gravity, spinning a bucket with water, 153 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:38.519 where you see these line of sight things, but we 154 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.759 just never take that next step on our own. It 155 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:46.040 seems like like we just it's not that important anyway, right. 156 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:49.959 Yeah, I mean, we just whatever is kind of in 157 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:51.879 the media at the time is what we're worried about it. 158 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:54.839 We're completely panicked about whatever issue it is, and then 159 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.480 the next day the media changes and we've forgotten completely 160 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.160 about it. I mean, now we've got this al in 161 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.639 spaceship coming that could possibly be a threat. But it's 162 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.480 the most grany image. It's somehow like the picture of 163 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:07.360 the lockless monster. 164 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:08.000 You'd see. 165 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:12.759 Yeah, we have beautiful pictures of galaxies and stars millions 166 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:15.920 of light years away, but this thing that's possibly an 167 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:19.079 impending threat on the Earth, we've got this picture from 168 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:20.519 eighteen twenty five. 169 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:26.279 It really is a shame that we are so quick 170 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:29.600 to these divide and conquers schemes that they have right 171 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.879 and people are more concerned about the left and the 172 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:36.919 right paradigm than they are just concentrating on their faith 173 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.559 and helping out their fellow human I think that's something 174 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.440 that we have to do a better job. I even 175 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:42.879 think there's a lot of people who we you know, 176 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:45.919 the quote unquote normies are starting to see that a 177 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.320 lot of this is nonsense, and you know, it's not 178 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:53.080 really America first and and I guess this is a 179 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.240 great transition time here COVID because COVID woke a lot 180 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:59.399 of people up and you have a very interesting story 181 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:03.080 about COVID it and how where you were in the 182 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:04.759 world and how that all came about, if you'd like 183 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:05.240 to share that. 184 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:08.159 Yes, I mean we had we just landed in Guam 185 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.200 and we were going to the PX on the Navy 186 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:14.000 base and there's this line just out the door, and 187 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:15.919 I'm like, well, I'm not getting anything today. I mean, 188 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:19.440 I've never seen it like that. I mean, those have 189 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:21.759 been in the military, especially the PX is like overseas, 190 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:24.200 like even Black Friday, Like you wake up at nine o'clock, 191 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:26.360 there's some people that get there at like four or 192 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.360 five o'clock in the morning, but after a couple hours 193 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:30.480 it's all gone. You can just go in and shop freely. 194 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:32.440 So I did not know what was going on for 195 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:35.720 this PX to be backed out the door. We'll kind 196 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.559 of find out that COVID was going on, and it's 197 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.799 social distancing and masks, and I mean throughout Asia, I 198 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:43.440 mean I honestly, I mean if it was not for 199 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:45.759 the News, I would have not even known COVID was 200 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:48.039 a thing. I mean, granted that throughout a lot of Asia, 201 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.240 masks are a common thing. If they're sick, they're going 202 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.720 to wear them, and they do that. I mean, most 203 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:56.000 Asians are just much more courteous than Americans, so I 204 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.360 were pretty kind of selfish. People don't be that offensively. 205 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:01.200 We've got our two speakers and we're just kind of 206 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:02.720 in our own world where it's they're just a little 207 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.559 lot more respectful to each other. So the mask wasn't 208 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:08.039 a shock. And especially living in a country with mask, 209 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:10.320 you would not know COVID was a thing without the 210 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:14.000 media telling you it was so deadly. And I actually 211 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:17.480 got COVID in quarantine. I was getting out of the 212 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.200 military at the time, and you had to go. They 213 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.879 had this barracks and they have their protective caution tape. 214 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.399 You're not allowed to cross this border. But people are 215 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:27.039 coming there every single day, and you got to be 216 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:30.840 there for two weeks in order to leave. Well, everyone 217 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:34.120 musters in this one tiny little room every morning. So 218 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:35.799 the guys that's been there for two hours and the 219 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:38.200 guy's been there for two weeks, all are crammed into 220 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:39.759 this room to get accountability of everyone. 221 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:42.120 And it's just foolish to me. 222 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:44.639 I mean, if it was actually something severe, I mean, 223 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:46.679 because I got COVID there, I mean, it sucked for 224 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:48.559 about a day. I mean, I know some people were 225 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.360 a little less fortunate, but it was not near the 226 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:54.440 risk I had been preached to about. 227 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:57.840 I mean, it's like everything else, even with the flu, 228 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:00.399 that the annual flu, it's going to affect. People who 229 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.879 have other issues are going to have more of a chance, right, 230 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:05.919 And and that's life. And we've never shut down the 231 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:08.840 world before because of an illness. And that is something 232 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:11.320 that I took, you know, I took very personally. And 233 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:14.399 I've encouraged other pastors to write letters and send them 234 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:18.799 to their state senators, to their state reps, to their governors, 235 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:20.519 to their sheriffs and tell them that you're never going 236 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:23.000 to shut down again. And I've laid out templates for 237 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:25.720 people to use. It's very important, especially if you if 238 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:30.279 you lead a church, to lead and understand that the 239 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:35.600 church is more important than than the liquors. You know, 240 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:38.120 the liquor stores stayed open, the abortion clinics, state open, 241 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:42.960 all these things that they deemed, you know, essential, right, 242 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:44.720 and then they looked at the mom and pop stores 243 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.600 and said, you're non essential. And we saw just it 244 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:51.840 was the biggest transition of wealth in our history, literally 245 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.960 from the from the middle guys to the wealthy, and 246 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.600 I don't know if we'll ever truly recover from it. 247 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.679 No, I was I was reading some statistics and it said, 248 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:04.200 and I haven't verified this, but one hundred percent of 249 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:06.840 small businesses closed within the first year of not. 250 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:07.679 Being allowed to be open. 251 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.720 It's just I think we've gotten in this almost self 252 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.960 police state. So I was talking before. We run a 253 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.759 homestead and we sell raw milk, and I had posted 254 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:23.200 on a Reddit chat for homesteading that this was for 255 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:25.320 sale in case anyone in our state was interested in it, 256 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:28.480 and the moderator of the chat actually had to come 257 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.039 on and say, stop reporting this guy, it's legal, Missourian. 258 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.399 It's like you had the opportunity say it was illegal here. 259 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:35.919 You had the opportunity to comment on there or message 260 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:37.440 me privately say hey, you might want to check the 261 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.840 laws in the area. This may not be legal. Instead 262 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:41.240 of doing that, we're just going to report it. We 263 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.000 have to report everything. Everything needs to be a new law. 264 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:47.840 There's no ability for individuals to discern what is right 265 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:49.679 or wrong. If we don't like something, we have to 266 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:53.200 pass legislation to make there be a consequence for this choice. 267 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.080 Yeah, one hundred percent, and I don't understand why anybody 268 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:02.000 in their right mind would want to give this government 269 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:05.720 more power. There is a growing trend where I live. 270 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:11.279 I'm in a more rural area like yourself, where we 271 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:13.879 all do transactions in cash. 272 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:17.320 Yes, I mean, and that's one thing they want to 273 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:19.279 get rid of. I mean most of our businesses in cash. 274 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.440 I mean occasionally a check, and I mean there's one 275 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.960 or two people that will send cash app or Venmo, 276 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:25.519 but most of it's cash. And I mean that gets 277 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:27.639 to be dangerous. You cannot see where our money's going, 278 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:29.279 or of course they're not getting their cut of it, 279 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:30.679 which is a big thing I worried about. 280 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.519 Yes, and that's why we're intentionally we don't want to 281 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:37.480 do business with the government that is not looking out 282 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:40.279 for our best interest. If you're right, if you're taking 283 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:44.600 upwards of twenty I think for some folks, twenty four 284 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:49.200 percent of their money, which means twenty four percent of 285 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:53.480 your efforts to feed your family, to provide to your 286 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:57.759 family go to an entity that isn't looking out for you. 287 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:00.639 I don't want to be a part of that's system. 288 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.279 I want to keep as far out as I can. Right, 289 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:08.399 and people think We've been trained to think that if 290 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:11.840 we vote harder, if we get out there and we say, 291 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:14.240 this guy's going to take care of us, everything's going 292 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:17.399 to be fine. But even the most diehard and I 293 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.720 was on the Trump train ten years ago, too, right, 294 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.720 and you realize it's all it's all a show that 295 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:26.879 if you are on the world stage, it doesn't matter 296 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:30.519 if you're in my opinion, if it's music, if it's 297 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.399 whatever it is, you're part of the show. You're a 298 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.799 character in the show, whether it's Mark Zuckerberg or Donald Trump, 299 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:44.000 or Kamala Harris or you know, named the biggest pop 300 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:46.120 star out there. I think you have to be part 301 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.279 of the club to be on the stage. That's my opinion. 302 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:50.639 Yeah, I mean, I would definitely agree. I think a 303 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.440 big problem is us as a people. We've lost ability 304 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:57.840 to research. We do confirmation biased. I want to believe 305 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:00.120 this is true, so I'm going to find stuff that 306 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.799 says this is true rather than going into it. 307 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:04.080 And I used to be that guy. 308 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:05.759 And I was fortunate enough in high school I had 309 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.360 a teachers formerly in the Armies, lieutenant colonelies. He made 310 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:11.279 us do It was a political science class and we 311 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.480 had to debate things. But we had to give a 312 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:15.159 presentation on the pros and cons and I had to 313 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:16.919 do one on gun control, and I am very staunchly 314 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:19.600 against gun control, but having to research both sides it 315 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:22.919 makes me more informed. I had another teacher and didn't 316 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.799 believe in evolution, so he refused to take a class 317 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:28.519 on it. And I'm not saying I believe in evolution 318 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:30.919 at all, especially there. That's a whole another rabbit trail 319 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.120 for probably a different kind of show. But if you 320 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:35.799 if you don't believe in something like educate yourself on 321 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:37.879 it so you can be informed rather than just saying, oh, 322 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:39.159 that's a lie, that's not true. 323 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:40.600 And honestly, I think. 324 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:42.519 That's a lot of what you see when you think 325 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:46.240 of a quote unquote flat earther is they're just shoving 326 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.440 this down in your throat and making out like like 327 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:51.279 you're just dumb and you're crazy, rather than having this conversation. 328 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.240 And in our day to day politics, we hate each 329 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.759 other because we picked that left or right rather realize 330 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:58.080 there's for the most of us. Now, there are some 331 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:00.000 a little crazier than others, but most of us could 332 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:02.000 sit down and have dinner and have a decent conversation 333 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:03.279 regardless of who we voted for. 334 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:05.360 But the media tells us that's not possible. 335 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:10.200 That's really important, you know, You and I and many 336 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:13.600 of the military guys who's been on this before understand 337 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:18.639 what combat is. And for us not wanting our children 338 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:21.480 or grandchildren to go off to combat doesn't make us 339 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.200 flame and libtards, as they say, right, it just means 340 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:28.240 that we care about humanity and the true reason for 341 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:32.679 war is either for resources for minerals or for that 342 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:36.120 first rule on the Georgia guidestones, which is keeping humanity 343 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:42.240 at five hundred million. It's population control, and it really 344 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.840 and you made a great point, by the way, so 345 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.120 many of the touchy subjects that I'll get emails about, 346 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.720 just for instance, like the Little season, or you know 347 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:55.080 that there's been a big push for this messianic a 348 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:58.200 lot of our listeners won't eat pork anymore, and things 349 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.440 of that nature. I've researched it. I think it's okay 350 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.759 to have a conversation. So for me, I'll go research 351 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.599 these things that I hear and then I'll make a decision. 352 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:10.720 But since I've done that research, I'll be able to 353 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:13.799 instead of just saying I don't believe that. Why, well, 354 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:17.079 I just don't believe that. I can articulate why I 355 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:18.880 don't believe that, because I've researched it. 356 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:20.200 Absolutely. 357 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:22.960 My mom actually gave me one of the best confidents 358 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:25.160 I've given in my life. And most of my family 359 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.359 has definitely drifted away from God. 360 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:28.680 And I was talking to my song. 361 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:30.160 She's like, yeah, you guys definitely take the Bible a 362 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:31.960 little more hard core than everyone else. And I was like, 363 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:33.759 I mean, I know you didn't mean that politely, but 364 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:34.680 when we take this as a complient. 365 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:36.160 I was speaking. 366 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:38.519 Specifically about the pork issue and reading the Bible, I 367 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:42.319 found things that makes it seem like it's justified to me. 368 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:44.599 And I mean absolutely, if I'm wrong, I'm always open 369 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.920 to reading additional information. But she was like, oh, well, 370 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:50.160 you'll have to do no shell fish and all this. Yes, 371 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:53.079 that's where we're at when we were researching. That's what 372 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:55.079 God calls you to do is more important than what 373 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:56.880 you want to do. I can put down some shrimp. 374 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:58.480 You give me a five gallon bucket of shrimp and 375 00:17:58.480 --> 00:17:59.880 it's going to be empty. But if God is telling 376 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:02.200 me I can't do that, that's what I'm gonna do, 377 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:04.480 and that. 378 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:07.480 Is something it's interesting. You know I've mentioned before, Now 379 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.920 that I'm in seminary, I'll be honest with you, I 380 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:13.839 have more questions than I do that I did before 381 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:18.319 I started. And it's part of it is because whether 382 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:21.680 you know you're in one denomination, every pastor within that 383 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.720 denomination is going to give you different answers to your questions. 384 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:28.319 So it's important. Like I encourage people to listen to 385 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:32.000 the podcasts and they have their favorite YouTubers, but there 386 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:36.039 is nothing that can replace sitting down and reading the 387 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:37.119 Bible for yourself. 388 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:40.079 I mean, I definitely one hundred scent agree with that. 389 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.160 I've learned so many things I never heard in church 390 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:45.039 by just reading the Bible. And if it's a living word, 391 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:47.960 I mean it's it's meant to speak different things at different. 392 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:48.319 Points in your life. 393 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.079 Sometimes this relevance, this information is not needed in this 394 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:51.720 time of life. 395 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:52.079 Right now. 396 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:54.559 You're going to come back and like, wow, this is 397 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:57.480 this is completely different when I read it before. And 398 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:00.559 any church you go to you should be rea on 399 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.359 your own, not just okay. We go to church for 400 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.599 an hour a week, maybe two hours, and then we 401 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:08.559