WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:01.439 Hi. My name is Tom Welling. 2 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:03.879 I played Clark Kent on Smallville and you are listening 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:08.480 to Always hold On to Smallville. 4 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:53.280 Welcome to Always hold On to Smallville. In this podcast, 5 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:55.119 we talk about each and every episode of the Young 6 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:57.479 Superman show that we're from two thousand and one to 7 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:02.159 twenty eleven on the WB and the I'm her host 8 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:05.319 Sack Moore and joined by from Always hold On to 9 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:08.439 d c's Legends of Tomorrow Tricia and as what's up 10 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:10.079 Tricia Hayes act. 11 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:11.200 It's been a little while for. 12 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.120 Us, Huh, it has, it has, But you know, I 13 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:18.560 know you're a big Black Canary fan. I am, so 14 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.359 I definitely had to have you back for Black Canary's 15 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:23.519 last appearance on Smallville. 16 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:25.359 Her last and just it was. It's just such a 17 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:30.159 wonderful long appearance of a character. As we discussed in Siren, 18 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.200 that is so accurate to the comics. 19 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:35.280 I look, when I was watching small Ville back in 20 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:37.599 the day, there were a lot of I had a 21 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:39.920 lot of blind spots when it came to DC Comics characters, 22 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:42.159 and you know, all credit to the Arrow Verse. You're 23 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:43.920 exposed to a lot of characters, you spend a lot 24 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:46.760 of time with characters you're not familiar with before, right, Yeah, 25 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:49.079 Now I knew like Black Canary, does she have like 26 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:50.879 nightmares and stuff with birds of prey? 27 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:51.439 Black Canary? 28 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.920 Like, no, I knew. I knew about Black Canary more 29 00:01:54.959 --> 00:02:00.079 than that. I mean, but you know Smallville people, and 30 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:02.680 they think it's small villain. In guest star heroes, you 31 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:06.599 think of oh yeah, the Flash and Aquaman. You know, 32 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:09.080 Hawkman was pretty cool, right and you know that you 33 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.560 kind of go down. John Jones was around for a while, right, Yeah. 34 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.000 I think people forget the Black Canary was ens noable, 35 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.520 but that's totally understandable when you see what they did 36 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:18.560 with her unfortunately. 37 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:21.080 Right, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I feel 38 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.840 like we have to have like a conversation at some 39 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:25.960 point or maybe you've had this already and I just 40 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.919 missed it about how why for some reason Black Canary 41 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:32.159 and Green Arrow never end up getting together when they 42 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:36.159 make like the TV adaptation, they end up doing her 43 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:36.840 so dirty? 44 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.199 Yeah, I mean, and well, you know we'll get to 45 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:41.120 it with this episode specifically, Like there's a scene where 46 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:44.000 I'm like, oh, this is like brought into like a 47 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.560 real life the Yeah, Green Arrow, Loven just stuff the 48 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:49.960 fill in the blank show, and then of course Black 49 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:51.000 Andary fighting over it. 50 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:53.240 And he ends up with the Oracle inserts. 51 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:56.280 It's just it is bizarre. I mean, if there was 52 00:02:56.319 --> 00:03:01.400 ever a Chloe Sullivan successor, it's Felicity Smoke and they 53 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:03.400 both ended up with the Green Arrow. So they're doing 54 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:05.680 something right. I would just I would love to see 55 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:08.560 because that's such a unique relationship and I'm not one 56 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:10.319 to even speak about it because I'm not some Green 57 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.800 Arrow Black Canary coumbook, you know, historian here, But that's 58 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.639 such a unique relationship where they're like they're crime fires, 59 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:18.879 but they're married and they have this dynamic and they 60 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:21.520 you know, like, that's something different, and in a world 61 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:25.360 where we're getting inundated by superhero content, different, Like as 62 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:27.759 far as bringing it to live action, different is good, 63 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:28.840 So bring us that. 64 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.560 Are you telling me that you didn't read the Black Canary, 65 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:36.159 Green Arrow spin off comic that came after the Darkest 66 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:36.879 Night series? 67 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:38.479 You know, I can't say I have. 68 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:40.400 Oh no, before the Darkest Night series. Sorry, it ends 69 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:41.080 with Darkest Night. 70 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:46.319 I can't say. I'm sorry. There's so much going on 71 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:52.639 in season ten and I've found that it's to its detriment. Unfortunately, 72 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:54.639 I feel like they're trying to do too many things. 73 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:58.039 They're trying to bring back too many guest stars. They 74 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.439 have too many subplots going on and look real talk 75 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:04.479 like that. So this is the mid season premiere collateral 76 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:08.759 we're talking about, right, So the the big cliffhanger over 77 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:13.800 the winter hiatus was everybody and hey, to their credit, everybody, 78 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:19.720 stunt doubles and actual actors were at Hawkman's funeral mm hm, 79 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:21.759 and this pyramid comes up out of the ground and 80 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:25.920 knocks everybody out, Like, oh my god, the government has 81 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.240 the Justice League. What's gonna happen next? In like what 82 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:32.879 a pathetic follow up? Right? 83 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.000 It is? It is on. There's no like time spent 84 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:39.000 with this. It's not like there's multiple episodes where they're 85 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.600 like living their lives inside this alternate reality and then 86 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.560 you come to find out that it's an alternate reality, 87 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:45.560 which I feel like some show dida now I can't 88 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:48.079 remember which one. 89 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:50.480 Don't we watch so much genre TV? 90 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.680 Right? We watched so much And there's a lot of 91 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:56.240 recycled storylines, which is very apt for. 92 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:58.560 At least the two parter, at least the two parter 93 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:00.720 and the end of part one you realize, oh my god, 94 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:01.040 there is. 95 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:02.399 No oh yeah, this is fake. 96 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:02.680 Right. 97 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:05.600 Yeah, It's like there's no like big return. It's more 98 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:07.920 like we're just sort of in this and they're there 99 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:10.040 for five seconds. Then we find out it's fake and 100 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:13.160 Chloe's back and yeah. 101 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:14.480 And that's and then that's the thing. That's another thing 102 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:16.759 about season ten. They're trying to do too much. Well, 103 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:18.279 we got to resolve that, and then we got to 104 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:20.399 bring back the suicide squad. Oh, Chloe needs to come 105 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.399 back at some point. I guess we can do those things. 106 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:25.040 It's a mess, and I don't really a mess. We're 107 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:26.639 gonna talk through it. Maybe you can help me feel 108 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:28.920 better about it. I'm just I'm not feeling great about 109 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:30.600 about where we are right now in Season ten is 110 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:32.600 a work. So where does season ten like ring for you? 111 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.319 In the Smallville? You know, hierarchy? 112 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:38.519 Low? It ranks low. I don't know exactly where it 113 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:40.480 falls because like I'd have to go back and like 114 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:42.399 really rewatch the series to remember, but. 115 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:43.959 Like who would do that? Am I right? 116 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:46.279 Right? And who would do that? Over the course of 117 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.600 many years? I don't think season ten ranks very high. 118 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:53.199 It's it's not that they're not doing interesting stuff. It's 119 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.079 just like it there's you said, it's over stuffed, there's 120 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:58.040 too much in it. They're trying to do like these 121 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:01.920 really lofty ideas. But there as with this episode, which 122 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:04.519 we'll get into, they're sort of like sandwiching these lofty 123 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:09.000 ideas inside of like they're just taking movie plots and 124 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:12.279 like rewriting them. Yeah, more than they ever have in 125 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:13.160 previous seasons. 126 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:16.959 From what I recall, Well, you know, season three, to 127 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.360 my memory, is the biggest defender, although season three is 128 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:23.279 my favorite seasons because there was such a stretch of like, okay, 129 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:27.800 Fatal Attraction and Fast and the Furious, and you know, 130 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:31.319 there seemed to be a string there in season three, 131 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:35.519 but they really did revisit that and it came back 132 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:37.879 with a vengeance in season ten, especially, just like. 133 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:39.920 There's like three episodes in a row that are like 134 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:44.199 The Matrix, Date Night, and the Hangover, and it's like 135 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.759 there are fun things happening or interesting things happening in 136 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.439 these episodes, but the plot is not one of them. 137 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:54.079 Right, And I think when you're winding you shouldn't say 138 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.279 winding down. You should be like barreling towards your finale. 139 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:00.480 There's series you don't want plots like that, Like that's 140 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:03.879 oh some random season two or three episode that's hilarious. 141 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:07.839 How they did John Q? Hilarious and John Q was 142 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.360 a terrible combination of words. I'm sorry, but you know 143 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:12.720 my point, Like it's it's harmless. 144 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:17.399 That's Denzel Washington drama that is on Q. 145 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:22.160 Harmless was the h word I was looking for it, 146 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:26.040 not hilarious. So that's where I am. Unfortunately. Yeah, Yeah, 147 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.480 I don't know, Like there's some Apelus stuff in here. 148 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:30.399 I love Homecoming, I love Luther, all of the Earth 149 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:32.920 two stuff. I love the Clark and Lewis relationship. There's 150 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.319 there's stuff here, but like it's just it's just over 151 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:37.720 stuffed with too much going on. And I and I 152 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:40.560 feel like I'm a I'm an active watcher. I'm sitting here, 153 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.920 I'm taking notes, I'm trying to pay attention. I don't 154 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.759 think this just doesn't seem to track with Like this episode, 155 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.120 for example, doesn't seem to track with where we left 156 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:48.600 off with. 157 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:51.720 No, no, it doesn't. And I think also season ten 158 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:54.160 really suffers from coming after season nine, which. 159 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:55.800 Was so good. Yeah, thank you. 160 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:59.639 That like it's just anything other than that, which was 161 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:02.399 so cool, cohesive and had a really great villain. You 162 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:06.160 got season ten, which like isn't as cohesive. The villain's 163 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.920 really like vague in so much as he doesn't even 164 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:11.040 have a body. 165 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:15.240 It's interesting because season eight, you know, Davis was your 166 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:17.560 like physical villain, but he was like a good guy 167 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:20.120 and tormented, and then Tests was like your good or bad, 168 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:24.079 and then but they were characters. They were like there, 169 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.600 you know. And then Zod of course was he had 170 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:28.759 his whole arc and he was there and he was fantastic. 171 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.399 I think the season ten they're like, well, we want 172 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:34.399 to bring back Lex, but we don't know if Michael's 173 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:37.480 gonna come back, so we gotta like John Glover will 174 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:39.279 come back for a while. But obviously he's not Lex. 175 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:41.519 He's Lionel and he's an all univers. We got the 176 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:45.440 suicide Squad, we got the v R. We got death stroke. Huh, 177 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.799 we got John McCain deast right, Like, okay. 178 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:53.759 John McCain death stroke. I mean it is he's beyond 179 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:54.360 death stroke. 180 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.399 I don't know, he's beyond death stroke. That is that 181 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:00.720 line I talked about on the last the last podcast 182 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.240 when you said that, but that is on the like 183 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:07.159 the the top ten list of like quotable cringe and 184 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:09.559 we had the same conversation last week about it. It's 185 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:11.919 like when people think of these kinds of that kind 186 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.279 of dialogue, it's like, I'm you just a little more bizarre. 187 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:19.360 It's that same energy of absurd dialogue. Yep, although we're 188 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:20.879 sitting here laughing about it. So it brought us, it 189 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:22.759 brought us entergy, it brought us fine, but it did. 190 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:24.759 But then you have Dark Side. You're like, I don't know, guys, 191 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:26.960 maybe you should have done dark Side, like pick pick 192 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:30.320 one of these four things. L and Lewis and Clark 193 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:32.480 are engaged. I'm like, oh, well that we're working towards 194 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:34.840 a wedding and then he's trying to become Superman and 195 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.519 like I'm not Look, I'm not saying shows can't have 196 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:39.159 a lot going on, but you gotta be able to 197 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.200 balance them. And they didn't have the vacity to do so. 198 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:44.120 No, they didn't. And I think the VR is like 199 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.519 it's an existential villain, but it is still a villain, 200 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:49.440 and like you can you could have made the whole 201 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:54.720 season about like the hope that Superman inspires in heroes, right, 202 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:57.279 Like you could have just made it that thing and 203 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.360 they didn't Chloe. 204 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:02.000 That did you miss Chloe in season ten? 205 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.039 Yeah, but that's because, as freealsly stated, she's my favorite 206 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:10.639 character in the show, and I was bombed that she 207 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:13.360 was gone because like Test does not fill that role 208 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:16.720 very well, so neither is she like trying to fill 209 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:20.759 a role. But it's like it was fine. It gave 210 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:22.000 us Mopey Green Arrow. 211 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:25.080 For a while. Yeah, they love Mopey green Arrow on 212 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:25.480 the show. 213 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.080 They do. I mean, we can't have the non Batman 214 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.759 character without the Mope. But I like, so I wasn't 215 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:33.840 really down with all of the lack of Chloe, But 216 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:36.279 I also like they did a good job with a 217 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:38.919 lot of the episodes that followed, like you mentioned like 218 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:43.200 two hundred and Homecoming and like Harvest. There are some 219 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.759 really good episodes that obviously like she's not in, so 220 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:47.960 I didn't miss her in those episodes, but like when 221 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.039 the stuff was not as good, I'm like, okay, I 222 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.159 kind of miss like the thing that kept me watching. 223 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.559 Well, And then you start to realize that there's only 224 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:56.720 four main characters. 225 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:58.840 Yeah, like that's. 226 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:01.639 Like half the amount of characters to so I don't know, 227 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.039 she had become so different than who we had come 228 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:08.200 to know and love over the years, Right, So yeah, 229 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:10.360 like you're right, tests, it's like, well you don't computers, 230 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:12.320 you can do that, and that's that test that coming 231 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:14.720 watch towers a side effect of like, well, these are 232 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:18.480 our characters and cast members, like I guess we'll have 233 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:20.600 Like I think they should have made doctor Hamilton a 234 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.159 main character, given like the nine or thirteen episode contract 235 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:26.399 or some some degree, and he could do all the 236 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:29.679 tech stuff maybe, and then tests could still be well 237 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:31.720 not Chloe, right. 238 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.240 I mean, it's like they got rid of this character, 239 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:36.879 but they still need an information broker. It's it's very 240 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.240 much like I'm gonna keep going back into my Oracle 241 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.759 spiel about how Chloe is basically Oracle without being Oracle, 242 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.039 and this episode honestly has more of it, which is 243 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.039 why I wanted to do this episode, even though it's 244 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.679 not the best. There's just it's like, oh, right, we 245 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:52.120 need this character to fix all of this the plot 246 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.320 stuff that we can't do, so we had to like 247 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:57.399 shoehorn somebody else in and like, yeah, I know, Chloe 248 00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.480 is in a different place but they could have used 249 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:01.320 the season to sort of like bring her back to 250 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.799 this place that they end up with her, and instead 251 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:06.279 she just leaves and comes back again different, like she 252 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:07.840 went on a walk about. Now she's mellow. 253 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:12.679 Gosh no, and you're right that there are a lot 254 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:16.159 of reasons to have you on this particular episode. That's fine, 255 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:17.879 Black Andary Oracle, birds of Prey. 256 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:19.799 Here we are Birds of Prey, bits of Birds of 257 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:20.440 Prey episode. 258 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.320 It's basically a Birds of Prey episode. I'll have to say, 259 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.000 let's get into it then. Collateral, Gord, tell me what 260 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:28.360 you saw? 261 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:33.559 Goes in a lab, some of those performing experiments on 262 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.519 me tubes everywhere. 263 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.000 They took away my powers laws. 264 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:39.440 And there was someone standing over me. 265 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:41.559 Who's Chloy? 266 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:46.120 Smallville All New episode this Friday at eight seventh Central. 267 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:52.480 Collateral is the twelfth episode of Smallville's tenth season. It 268 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:56.600 aired on February fourth, twenty eleven. Was written by Jordan 269 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:02.480 Hally and directed by Morgan Beggs. So, ratings, watch, what 270 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:04.519 do you think this episode got on a Friday night 271 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:06.879 in twenty eleven. Let me give you a little context. 272 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:10.320 The previous episode December tenth, So we're like almost two months, 273 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.320 almost a two month winter I ateus. But December tenth, 274 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:17.480 Icharisk got two point five five million, and then way 275 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.519 back in September twenty ten, Lazarus the season premiere got 276 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.639 two point nine to eight millions. So with those numbers 277 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:26.440 in mind and knowing that we're coming back from a 278 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:29.159 winter break, what do you think Collateral. 279 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:33.960 Got two point six. 280 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:36.399 All right? Saying it went. 281 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:39.120 Up very slightly because of the cliffhanger. 282 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:43.320 It went down two point three seven. 283 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:45.559 Oh, I was gonna say two point three five originally, 284 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:46.240 and that I was like, no, he. 285 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:47.720 Oh, you would have been circles. 286 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:48.480 Yeah. 287 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:51.440 I mean people were like, oh, okay, I'm not gonna 288 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:53.039 talk about the same mar because we're moving past this 289 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:57.720 winter break. But the end of Luther, when Lionel was 290 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.480 like when one of mishod All turns out, then he 291 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:02.440 goes back into the crowd, like what a wait, that's 292 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:06.200 how you should end your your You're half of your season, right, 293 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:08.919 instead of like, oh no, the Justice League got knocked 294 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.799 out somehow. Well not see what happens to most of 295 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.759 these characters when we come back. If you're gonna do that, 296 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.240 you need to, I don't. It's like they wrote that 297 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:22.799 and didn't have any follow up. Like this feels, honestly 298 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:25.799 what this episode feels like. It feels like akers was 299 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.840 like a legit season finale and they're like, I don't know, 300 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:31.000 we'll figure it out over the summer, man, don't even 301 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:32.960 worry about it. Yeah, and then and then they have 302 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:34.679 to come back and resolve and like, oh, we don't 303 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:38.240 have anybody you know. But it's like, dude, you it's 304 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.279 one episode, like winter Break is not. 305 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:42.759 Yeah, it also feels to me like we don't have 306 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:46.720 the budget for that. No, not like they could have 307 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:49.399 done so much more with the alternate reality, the virtual 308 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:51.679 reality part of it, and they just they couldn't. Like 309 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:53.919 they did like one thing where Chloe walks for a wall. 310 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.679 That's it that really that other than like falling or 311 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:03.080 flying for a second. Yeah, that's that's a great point. 312 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.559 This is wasted potential. So I just, yeah, I don't know, 313 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:06.720 Like I know, I'm kind of out of the gate 314 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:09.120 roof on this, but I'm like, what were you guys thinking? 315 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:12.080 Like I don't understand, Like it's like I have watched 316 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:14.559 this episode three times in my life. It has been 317 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:18.480 when it aired, when I got the DVDs and watched 318 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.919 this through the series and now covering it here. 319 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:23.320 Yeah, I mean I've probably watched it more than that, 320 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:27.120 but it's only because I'm a completionist, so like I 321 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:30.240 rewatch everything if I rewatch a series, and I rewatched 322 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:32.039 this like a couple of times. So originally when I 323 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:34.440 first watched it, I rewatched the series again afterwards because 324 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:36.080 ten seasons is a long time to forget what happened 325 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:38.440 in season one. So I've seen it a few times. 326 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.919 I don't think I'm down on it as much, but 327 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:44.600 coming it's been a long time since I revisited the 328 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:47.759 episode and watching it again, I was like, wow, this 329 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:52.240 is very cheesy, Like it's extremely cheesy. It's fine, but 330 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:54.639 it's very cheesy. But I can see why, Like twenty 331 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:59.240 two year old me sitting in my dorm room watching it. 332 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:02.399 Was like, I love this. This is a fair enough, 333 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:04.720 fair enough. So we start episode starts out there's a 334 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.639 previously on Smallville. We get some context for like the 335 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:10.200 engagement Clark and Lows are engaged. We get some v 336 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:12.960 r A talk, you know, we get some death stroke 337 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:17.360 Hawkman stuff. We get shots of Akaman and Marat blowing 338 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:18.840 stuff up, and Sam. 339 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:20.440 Lane being upset about it. We get all of our 340 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:24.240 being waterboarded like so, so we're covering a lot of ground. 341 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.200 Right, it's very previously. 342 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:31.720 Yeah, very fously. But then were throwing the suicide squad again, 343 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:35.039 the big explosion where we see like the blur with 344 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:37.039 the X through it that they're really proud of that shot, 345 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:39.720 you know, prisoner exchanged and Chlodeon and Oliver. So there's 346 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.840 a lot to catch up on really in this previously. 347 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:45.320 Oh and then of course Chloe putting on the the 348 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.000 Doctor Fate helmet as well, So yes, lots of stuff 349 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:49.799 to catch up on. And then finally we leave it, 350 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:53.919 you know, Hawkman dies and then this this flash of 351 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:58.039 light that goes off and the Justice League is incapacitated, 352 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:02.279 and then the uh the two thousand and one music 353 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:09.200 starts playing at the house right, that's right door at 354 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.720 the king House, right, and Lows is on hold on 355 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:13.359 the phone, and she's on phone on the hold with 356 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.079 the government and she's got these pictures laid out of 357 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:19.039 her and Clark and you're like, hmm, interesting, what's going 358 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.000 on here? She's on the phone like the Justice Department 359 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:24.079 and they're giving her the run. Around and basically she's 360 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:26.319 calling around trying to find out where Clark is. 361 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:29.920 Yeah, and she's like using their names, like she asked 362 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:33.680 the VRA if they had like Clark Kent and Oliver Queen. 363 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:35.519 I mean Oliver, whom we know is the green Arrow. 364 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:38.559 But you're like literally asking the government do you have 365 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:40.160 this person who you may or may not know who 366 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:40.440 they are. 367 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:43.400 But hey, she's a general's daughter, right, so she has 368 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:45.720 a general's daughter. She does two things. She says, I 369 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.119 do happy and I do stop giving me the run around, bitch, 370 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:50.680 or I will come for you, which is I don't 371 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:52.279 know that's going to get you the customer service you're 372 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:53.759 looking for, Lois, but I thought it wasn't easy. 373 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:55.519 Maybe from the government. I don't know. 374 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:00.440 That's right, but you know, in her right should go, 375 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:02.359 you know, pick up the phone. Whenever she knocks over 376 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:03.960 a glass and it shatters, So there's a lot of 377 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:07.279 broken glass on the floor, which is check clas import 378 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:13.400 Yes if you see broken glass on the floor, someone yes, 379 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.759 So she starts cleaning up, but then someone comes to 380 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:17.200 the door. 381 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:22.200 It's the angelically back lit silhouette of her fiance. 382 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.359 Now about the lighting, I feel like they there is 383 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.960 an intention when you're in this spoilers, you're in the matrix, 384 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:34.480 I'm gonna call, when you're in this virtual reality, they 385 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.400 seem to be blowing out certain things. 386 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:40.160 Yeah, yeah, it's it's overblown, like there's the lighting is 387 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.200 blown out and it's oversaturated. So like just colors are 388 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.319 wrong basically. And I don't know if this happens, but 389 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:50.559 I noticed it more later in the episode, So I 390 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:54.680 don't know if it's like as characters or as Clarks 391 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:58.759 start to believe in the fakeness, like the colors get worse. 392 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:00.799 I don't I don't know if it's because I notice it. 393 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:04.440 I don't know if it's just because they're in the 394 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:08.119 Daily Planet bullpen and it's awful colors anyway, I don't know. 395 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:09.480 It's like a lot more oranges. 396 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:10.759 That's why I knows the most too. 397 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:12.400 And yeah it's in the bullpen. 398 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:16.720 But Clark's here and he's wearing like a T shirt 399 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:18.920 and like some cargo pants or something's very I don't 400 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.519 think Clark in this out before. He's got a gym 401 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:21.640 bag with him. 402 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.000 Yeah, he's got like a rucksack or something. 403 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:26.640 But they released him a couple of days ago. They 404 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.240 did because he probably had to walk and he tried. 405 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:32.839 He tried to run away, and I guess, but uh, 406 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.000 He's like, it was Lis was the VR. They're waiting 407 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:40.119 for us at Cardinal's funeral. We'll get answers tomorrow. I'm 408 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.599 just happy they let us all go, which which they 409 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.559 let them all go if we're to believe this is reality. 410 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:49.000 M hmm, Like they captured him and now they're all 411 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.079 letting him go with various times and like, what where's 412 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.240 the other eight Justice League members were right, what's going on? 413 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:58.319 But it's okay, it's just the first scene. I'm not 414 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:00.240 gonna be too hard on it. I'm sure the my 415 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.440 questions will be answered. Of course, Lowers supposed to do 416 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.559 something else, and he starts picking up the glass, right, 417 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.119 he gots himself on a piece of glass. He's bleeding. 418 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:13.720 He's like, this is why, this is why they captured 419 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:15.319 So they took away my powers. 420 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:17.680 Yeah, they took away his powers. They don't he hasn't 421 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:21.519 know how this is. They're gonna they manipulated him somehow, and. 422 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:22.720 She's like, how could they? 423 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.480 I don't remember, there's no blue kryptonits. 424 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:28.960 Right, we don't know, like and and I realized I 425 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:31.480 started to count stuff like amnesia or hospital. But but I 426 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:33.880 can't because it's all didn't it's fake. It didn't happen, right, 427 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:35.880 it's all fake. So I'm not gonna count. I'm not 428 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.039 going to count than the out remembering stuff, and I'm 429 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:40.599 not going to count people going to the hospital. But 430 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:42.240 but he but but then like he has this like 431 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:45.279 trimmer and it said and we experienced it too. We 432 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.400 see these flashes of him and like a tube and 433 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:50.039 with the things on his head, and then somebody like 434 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:52.160 trying to experiment on him and something, and then we 435 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.079 see a glimpse of someone. It's Chloe. 436 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:56.079 It's Chloe. 437 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:56.920 It's Chloe. 438 00:20:57.359 --> 00:20:58.400 We haven't seen her in a while. 439 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:01.000 No, I haven't seen her other than Oliver. Is just 440 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:03.680 strange pictures that he has of her. Linger you're gonna 441 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:05.000 see it get in a minute. By the way, this 442 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:06.200 is the way. That's why I thought of. 443 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:09.359 That on his like BlackBerry, Yeah, that's amazing. 444 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.200 But Clark, yeah, he has it's basically a seizure. And 445 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:14.000 was like, oh, come back back away, what happened? Did 446 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.759 you see what you see? He's somebody was that's what's 447 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:22.000 experimenting on us. Who was it? He says it was Chloe. 448 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:26.759 Somebody's that. Oh my god, has Chloe turned villain in 449 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:29.200 the last three episodes. We haven't seen her. What's going on? 450 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:33.920 Oh my god? Yeah, I don't know. 451 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:37.720 At any point if you could remember when you first 452 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.000 watched this many moons ago, at any point in the 453 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.480 episode before she explains everything, did you think Chloe was 454 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:44.960 a bad guy? 455 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:54.160 No? Right, I mean point no, not at all. Uh. 456 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:57.039 The best attempt at Selly and I think is what 457 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.599 Black Canary tells him, Like, hey, her already dancing with 458 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:02.519 Doomsday almost destroyed the League. I was like, thank you. 459 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:05.240 At least someone is mad about this. Still, I'm still 460 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:08.559 mad about it myself. Characters are mad about it. But 461 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:11.240 but no other than her, like, you know, poor choices 462 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:13.920 of like trying to protect you stuff, like she's not 463 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:17.759 gonna Yeah, Chloe kidnapped the Justice League and experimented on them. 464 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:20.440 That's what I'm right, Yeah, that's that's exactly what. Like, 465 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:22.799 she's working with the government, she's working with the v R. 466 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:28.160 Yeah. But then we cut the open credits, we come 467 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:30.319 back and then and then Oliver is in the same situation. 468 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:32.920 He's got his cargo pants and his Duffel bag and 469 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:35.839 his T shirt and he's going to his office and 470 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:39.160 it's still like kind of the signs around it, but 471 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:42.240 from the Battle of the destrope v hawkman up there. 472 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:45.359 And he goes in there though, and pulls up his 473 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:52.680 BlackBerry set sees that that that really strange picture that 474 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:55.440 Koe left him. It's like the sexy selfie or something. Ye, 475 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:57.519 all right, but it's in like digital form now, which 476 00:22:57.559 --> 00:22:58.440 makes it more amusing. 477 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:01.400 Yeah, it does. If it was like a picture that 478 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:04.319 he had, it would be less weird. But it's like 479 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:07.640 it's like a horizontal photo, but it's on like the 480 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:11.759 portrait episode. It's like all his letterboxing. It just looks funny. 481 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:14.039 But you know, he's forged himself a drink and he's 482 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:16.079 he's looking at his lost love on his phone. 483 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:17.920 Teeny taddy picture on his phone. 484 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:22.640 This is twenty eleven cell phone here right, Yeah, and 485 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:25.480 he he also gets triggered. He has a seizure of 486 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:28.279 some kind and he shatters his glass table completely. 487 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.079 That you shouldn't have glass tables if you can shatter them. 488 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:33.759 I just don't think that that is a gooseful, you 489 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:37.839 know type. Heiece of furniture, it goes, it goes all over. 490 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.400 You know, I would question the reality of this, but 491 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.200 I've seen those those glass tables of luther Mansion shattered 492 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:44.680 all the time on some novel, so I don't think 493 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:50.319 this is necessarily a matrix thing necessarily. But but he 494 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:53.359 too has the visions of Chloe kind of experimenting on or. 495 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.920 I mean, they's they're in a compromising place, they're being 496 00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:59.440 tube stuck up on them, and Chloe's hovering over them. 497 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:01.759 So what I mean, what else would you assume? 498 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:04.480 Right jumping to that conclusion, I think totally makes sense, 499 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:07.359 like she's experimenting on us because we're all plugged in 500 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:10.079 with tubes and stuff and she's standing there. I get 501 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:11.519 them coming to that conclusion. 502 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.160 Yeah, Then Clark goes to Watchdower, and so this is 503 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:16.960 where I start to quit. I'm like, okay, wait a minute, wait, wait, 504 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:20.039 wait wait a minute. Like tests in Doctor Hamilton, we're 505 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.880 not at Carter's funeral, so they should still be around 506 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.839 like unaffected. So where where are they? Oh, they're not 507 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:30.559 here right this episode that makes it really easy. So 508 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:34.599 the only person Clark finds a Watchdower is Dinah, and 509 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:36.839 she is on her eighth hairstyle. 510 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:40.720 I've noticed, yeah, fourth or fifth. I don't know. What's 511 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:43.160 interesting about what you mentioned, like tests and doctor Hamilton 512 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.720 and those people. Is that, like, for some reason, and 513 00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:48.559 this sort of goes to like the believability of everything 514 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:52.160 that's happening, the matrix doesn't fill in other people that 515 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:55.319 they would expect to interact with, right, So it's just 516 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:57.880 the people that are also jacked in, and not even 517 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.519 all of them, because it's just the four of them, 518 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:02.799 or five of them, because Oliver is also there, so 519 00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:04.519 there's it's just the five of them. And then like 520 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.079 other people who you know aren't there because they mentioned them, 521 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:10.960 like Ac and is Barry supposed to be there? Bart's 522 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:11.680 supposed to be there? 523 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:15.039 Okay, See the AC mention really threw me off because 524 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.720 I thought they were saying, oh, well, he's in a 525 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:24.240 tube there hooked up two, but no, he's not like like. 526 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:26.759 Well, like he is, but like we don't see him. 527 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:28.519 But they release everybody. 528 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:32.960 Yeah, but it's like they like Chloe mentions that they're 529 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:35.039 also on her list, so like a C is also 530 00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:36.759 on the list of people that you can see a get, 531 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.400 but they don't show him at all. Because you don't 532 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:40.680 see everybody get released. 533 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:43.400 You just we just see people that are there, Black 534 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:46.079 Canary wake up and you under Stee. 535 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.079 Oliver and Canary. You don't see anybody else wake up. 536 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:51.440 Like it's just yeah, Like the problem is they should 537 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:54.039 have had a room of like thirty tubes or I 538 00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:56.680 don't know what, twelve right, and then it's like, oh, well, 539 00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:57.640 they're all still in there. 540 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:00.440 Show me, like the boots of the hoodies are something. 541 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.000 Yeah, show me the costume, Like that's so simple. They 542 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.559 have the kind of opaque you know tube. Yeah, just 543 00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:07.920 put the costumes in their mannequin and like, okay, because 544 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.200 because they all got captured their costumes, right, yeah, so 545 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:12.799 what the hell are they not in their costumes when 546 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:13.720 they get out of these tubes. 547 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:15.480 I don't know they got changed. 548 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.880 I'm just so upset about this entire setup and pay 549 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:19.240 off of this. 550 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:22.480 A lot of continuity is she's we're not in a 551 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:23.279 continuity place. 552 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.240 Second, what happens in virtual reality stays of virtual reality. 553 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:27.640 That's what I was told in this episode. 554 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.000 What happens in cyberspace stays in cyberspace. 555 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.279 The space cyber Night Easter. 556 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:34.680 In twenty twelve. 557 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:39.799 Oh so Clark runs into Black Canary and look, you 558 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:43.200 know what, it's good to see more Black Canary because 559 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:48.240 she's so underserved show like this other than her first 560 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.039 episode sor, this is probably the most she's had to 561 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:53.359 do in any appearance, right. 562 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:55.759 Yeah, it really is. Like in previous ones, she's like 563 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.559 popped up on a screen and said some stuff and 564 00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:02.480 like she's she was kinden. Was she even really a 565 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:05.160 big factor in like any other part of this season? 566 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:10.839 Oh this season? No? Season eight, Like her and Ac 567 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:12.400 and all of her were looking for Clark and they 568 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:16.240 all get captured. So like that's and odyssey but beyond that, 569 00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:21.839 like no, like doomsday. Yeah, well she was big help, 570 00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:22.960 but Doomsday big help. 571 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.200 Yeah, she's a huge help. She's really useful for something 572 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:28.640 like that. But I mean, now there was anybody else 573 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:28.880 on the. 574 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.880 Dues, No, that's that's no shade shade the Black Canary. There. 575 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:37.680 She is still a person who breaks. She has a 576 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.000 little scar in her neck. 577 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:43.240 Look, I like that attention to detail. They took away 578 00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.640 my powers and like, oh okay, cool, so there's some physical 579 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.759 manifestation of you not having your your your Canary crime, 580 00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:52.640 right Clark, He's just I don't know what happened to be. 581 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:56.759 And with Oliver, it's like they took his equilibrium or 582 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.920 messed with his equilibrium, so he's like he's not core 583 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:00.880 made it anymore. 584 00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:02.640 Yeah, they took his. 585 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:06.279 His ability is balanced. 586 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.079 I gotta say this though, for a show with like 587 00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.640 they could not decide what Black Canary's hair could be. 588 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:14.920 I like her hair in this episode, but it seems 589 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.160 to imply that her blonde hair is her real hair. 590 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.640 Her blond hair is her real hair. Yeah, right, that 591 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:22.319 they established that in the first one. 592 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.519 Well right, but like they established like she has really 593 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.240 short dark Yeah, where's a well. 594 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:31.680 She wore a she wore a dark wig. 595 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.680 Oh yeah, I'm really confused about that. We've never seen 596 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:37.559 her look like this before? 597 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:39.839 Is no, no, we have Okay, they let her grow 598 00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:41.480 her hair out because like, what can they do, Like 599 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.559 they can't make her keep the short pix of cut. 600 00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:47.799 That's true, She's in like an episode every two years. Well, 601 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:48.759 I thought that's. 602 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:50.519 Another thing, right. I look at her in the Elena 603 00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:52.680 Huffman and I think I said her name wrong pretty 604 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:54.680 much every time she's been on the show. I apologizes. 605 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.559 I think I kept calling her like Eleanna Huffman. So 606 00:28:57.799 --> 00:28:59.599 a lot of l's and i's and a's. I'm sorry 607 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.960 about that anyway, And she was on like Stargate shows 608 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.039 and Universe. She's up there working, right, So I don't know, 609 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:09.799 like if I'm expanding, look if I look at adding 610 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.640 Green Arrow to the cast, the small bum, I'm like, 611 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:13.160 I don't know, maybe we should have Black Harry to 612 00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.200 the cast and do a whole thing with them, an 613 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.599 obvious person to add. And I see this and she's 614 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:19.319 like talking to Clark and all this stuff, Like wow, 615 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:21.680 Like I just I slipped into my own visu reality 616 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:23.240 for a second to imagine what have been like if 617 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:24.720 she was an active member of this team. 618 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:28.440 Yeah, I still don't like the characterization. Like there's a 619 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.240 lot of stuff and this episode brings it all back, 620 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:34.160 like her weird pro cop they do. 621 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:36.839 I'm actually kind of shocked that even brought that back 622 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.039 to the floor. I thought we had kind of forgotten that, right. 623 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.279 Right, We kind of left her like right wing radio 624 00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:47.839 host personality back there in that one episode, but like 625 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.319 they brought it back, and like it's just such a 626 00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.680 weird characterization for her. It's not that she wouldn't be 627 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.440 like at least somewhat pro cop because like even in 628 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.880 the comics her dad was a police officer. It's not 629 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.759 that she wouldn't like have certain like it's fine if 630 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:05.000 she's like very like pro justice like must blah blah blah. 631 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:08.960 But it's it's so hard right for the character, and 632 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.839 it's like just a big deviation and they but they 633 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.640 don't delve into that and like make it more complex, 634 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:17.559 like she said, they don't make it nuanced. They just 635 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:20.279 make it this weird caricature of like what she is. 636 00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:22.640 It's very strange and like we talked about it a 637 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:24.920 lot in the in the Sired episode, but it continues 638 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.880 to be very strange in this one for whatever reason. 639 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:29.920 And had she been around, they could have fleshed out 640 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:31.920 her character. The nuance you're looking forward to have been there. 641 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:32.599 Yeah, so nice. 642 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.720 I just I'm looking for other people. There's only four 643 00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:36.000 main characters this season. 644 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.680 Yeah, they're really like they could have done so much 645 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:40.599 more with this character. But I don't know why they 646 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:43.200 didn't want to have Black Canary on the show, like 647 00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:45.759 even as much as they had like Arthur Or bart 648 00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:46.680 Or Victor. 649 00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:49.319 She's actually here. She's actually here more than some of them, 650 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:52.119 just probably because maybe actor availability. I don't know, but 651 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:57.559 she she she she appears more than Bart. Actually, oh really. 652 00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:58.880 Some reason I felt like he was more like. 653 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.960 Just because she first he left the biggest impression. But 654 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:05.519 literally Bart, he shows up, his pictures, shows up on 655 00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:09.480 a lot of screens. Okay, Kyle Gallener only in three episodes. 656 00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:11.920 Oh see, I would have I could have sworn he 657 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:12.640 was more than that. 658 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:14.279 Well, same thing, I mean, I would have sworn martial 659 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:15.839 man Hunters Like, oh yeah, he's all over the place, 660 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:17.799 like I mean, he's in more than most, but he's 661 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.599 still not this huge presence. He's very spread out across 662 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.720 the episode. So yeah, that's the thing. I was like, Oh, 663 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.680 Alison's not gonna be here. Well what it's what's Selena doing? Can? 664 00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:28.880 I don't know? 665 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:30.279 Just what are we doing? 666 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.240 I had more characters, please, but. 667 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.480 Are we giving Oli her a different love interest? No, 668 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:36.319 he's not a Pine for an entire season? 669 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.759 Okay, exactly, like have Chloe be gone and then him 670 00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.359 and Canary get together. Anyway, those emails to Canary were 671 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.079 strictly batonic, but it turns out Dinah's also having these 672 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.799 visions of Chloe experimenting on them, and that's what she's 673 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.440 what she says, she did dirty dance of dooms danuely 674 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.720 toward league part thank you, thank you. 675 00:31:54.599 --> 00:32:00.839 Honestly, I think Chloe's husband getting murdered by Davis is hennance. 676 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:03.759 Enough, fair enough, fair enough. But Clark's like, no, no, 677 00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:06.400 she she learned her lesson. She wouldn't make that mistake again. 678 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:09.680 So she learned her lesson back then She's not gonna 679 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:11.240 hang out with anymore villains. 680 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:13.920 But but then, this whole a lot of this episode 681 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:15.839 hinches on Clark having faith in Chloe. 682 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:18.759 It does, which is the thing, right, So it's the 683 00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.039 thing they're trying to talk about, is like belief and 684 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.480 faith and friendship and all that. But they're just like 685 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.160 wrapping it in this very weird plot. 686 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.160 Yeah, because there is something you've been said for Clark's 687 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.039 you know, best de facto best friend at this point, 688 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:35.720 because she's been with them all ten seasons. They've both 689 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.880 changed a lot, her more than him, but they both 690 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:41.720 changed a lot. What does that mean for a friendship 691 00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:43.119 when people come in and out of your life and 692 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.519 they do these right, So that's that's kind of what 693 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:48.160 they're going for. Yeah, but this is not the way 694 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:48.799 to address it. 695 00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.839 I have the whole like guts of the episode is 696 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:56.839 like Lois's little monologue to Clark in The Daily Planet, 697 00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.200 and they could have just done so much more or 698 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.960 I think, but even with like the matrix part of it, 699 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.160 Like if you had that two parter right and you 700 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.279 spent this entire episode rather than just like twenty minutes 701 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.160 of this episode trying to get him to believe her, 702 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.640 there would have been just more nuance to it. Nuances. 703 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:17.000 What I'm looking for is nuance. 704 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:18.119 It's the name of the game. 705 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:19.279 So ten seasons in. 706 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.759 Dinna gets a text message about Oliver. He's a met gin. 707 00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:25.920 Yeah, who knows why. 708 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.880 It's not good. It's not good. 709 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:33.480 He's he's sitting in a corner observation room. 710 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:35.720 And I'm like, so clearly they don't have the sets 711 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:36.759 that they had in the back in the name with 712 00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:39.000 Belle Reeve, with the padded cells of doctor Walden and 713 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:41.519 Lax and Lionel, like that's the place you go. But 714 00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:45.160 Oliver's his head is up against the lens, I assume 715 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.000 because his head's all distorted. I'm like, okay, very fishy, sure, 716 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.799 but it's because the reality he's distorted it's ditch. I 717 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:53.160 don't know. 718 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:54.880 He's gone crazy. 719 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:57.920 Now. I can't criticize any of this stuff because it's 720 00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:59.880 not real, right, but it's just. 721 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:01.839 Funny criticize it even though it's not real. 722 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.759 Well, I'm I'm claricizing her plenty, I think. But it's like, 723 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.559 as far as this room goes like he's it's just 724 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:09.599 this weird. It's like if there's a store in the 725 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.840 mall that's not occupied, that's what he's in right now. 726 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.360 It's really big. You would expect to be he expect 727 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.960 me to be brighter lit. I feel like because we're 728 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.239 used to sort of that like sterile environment, which you 729 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.880 don't get in this. It doesn't feel sterile at all. 730 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.719 It feels like prison. 731 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.480 Don't worry, Oliver, We're gonna fight this. Clark is there 732 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.920 to if taken my friends, strip me a onile my weapons, 733 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.400 and mess with my equilibrium. Oliver says, to your point 734 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.119 of that, that's how they affected him. They got me thinking, 735 00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.400 clois one this whole thing, I'm sor I'm sorry, Okay, 736 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.920 she she was running experiment on me. And then I 737 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.840 think Clark refuses to confirm that he also saw Chloy, 738 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:51.760 which is interesting. Yeah, he doesn't want to, like he 739 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:53.760 doesn't want everybody turning against Cloy. 740 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.039 Right, and which I think is interesting because the Oliver's 741 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.880 tone when he he like delivers this news is like 742 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.639 I can't believe it. They've got me thinking this totally 743 00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:08.679 crazy thing that wouldn't possibly happen. 744 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:14.079 And then Clark asked as suspicious as possible. Yeah, oh, 745 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.760 I'm not ready to give up on her, and like, okay, Clark, sure, Yeah, 746 00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:19.920 he's gonna figure out what he's got, what's going on, 747 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.039 and then he'll be back because everything's gonna be all right. 748 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:23.960 And this scene really you start, I think you really 749 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.280 start to see that the overblown like you know, edge 750 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.960 lights and stuff, or it starts to show you what's 751 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.480 going on, but you feel bad for Oliver. He's like, 752 00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:34.039 don't leave me here, Clark, and he gets he gets 753 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:35.239 left there by Clark, but but. 754 00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:36.079 Not Clark's gone. 755 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:40.440 Clark's gone. But it's okay though, because not fifteen seconds later, 756 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:45.519 the light starts sparking and the wall. 757 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:50.239 And then somebody comes out of the wall really twelve. 758 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:52.559 And it's it's Chloe. She came out of the brick, 759 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.800 like a close shaped brick and this is in the 760 00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:58.639 this is in the this particular moment. The only reason 761 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.360 I even remember it happening, it's gonna it's on the 762 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.360 DVDs and like the like Donna, no no, no, like 763 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.000 this is a real at the beginning of every DVD, which, Yeah, 764 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:08.800 do you have the small of Blu rays? 765 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.000 By the way, I don't. I don't use physical media 766 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:11.679 these days. 767 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.119 I gotta say, uh, the small Liville Blue rays are 768 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.679 disappointing in their menu game, as most Blu rays are 769 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.320 these days, because you put it in, it's complete silence. 770 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:22.639 And then it's just like. 771 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.679 You don't get the music that you like wake up 772 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.400 to when you fell asleep watching the shows on play all. 773 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.840 I like two in the morning, I would wake up 774 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.559 to the Gilmore girls like La Las constantly constantly in 775 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:37.159 high school slash college. 776 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.079 It's part of it's it's the end of an era, 777 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.000 you know, it's part of our generation. I guess the 778 00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.920 DVD and the music and it's lost on the kids 779 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.400 today because yeah, it's just it's kind of it's it's 780 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.119 so sad and empty to just have that screen on 781 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.639 and there's no Remy zero, there's no montage there's there's 782 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.679 there's no clever subtitles for every chapter of the d 783 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:57.199 d oh god. 784 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.639 Yeah, the chapter subtitles were always really fun, but the 785 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.440 version I have now, I actually bought the complete series 786 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:08.159 on Apple TV when it was twenty bucks for all 787 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:09.119 ten seasons. 788 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.360 I did that as well. I had a listener tell 789 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:13.599 me about her, and I rebroadcasted on the social media 790 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:14.880 because I have everybody. 791 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:16.840 Like, yeah, I think I bought it because you tweeted it. 792 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:18.320 You're welcome. 793 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:20.039 Thanks. 794 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:22.519 No, but it's it's a really convenient way to have 795 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.280 I'm at the point now where I'm like, Okay, I'll 796 00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:27.519 get this something I love in multiple forms, just to have. Yeah, 797 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.559 obviously some marble's gonna be one of those things for me. 798 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.360 But uh, anyway, Yes, Chloe has come out of the 799 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:34.400 brick wall. 800 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.760 Right back here. Chloe has appeared in her white suit. 801 00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.119 Yes, what is what is this look about? 802 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.480 What's the It's this sterility like it's something that's like 803 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.199 not quite real, Like I know people wear white suits, 804 00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.679 like I've seen Hillary Clinton, but it's and also Pitbull. 805 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:57.559 It's it's there's something like different about the way that 806 00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:58.280 she looks. 807 00:37:58.360 --> 00:37:58.480 Right. 808 00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:01.760 Everything else is kind of like gray and browns and blues, 809 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.559 and like it's this like sort of muddy there's something 810 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.519 like computery about the blues, I feel like. But then 811 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:10.639 like she comes out and she's like this crisp like 812 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.679 white and also she's blonde. Like there's this crispness to 813 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.920 the way that she looks that's like, oh, so this 814 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.559 is reality. I think there's some interesting visual language happening 815 00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:22.239 there that just like gets lost in all of the 816 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:26.760 craziness and all the horrible dialogue. But like, especially this 817 00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:29.400 first appearance, like she is this thing that stands out 818 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:33.800 against this very like weird blue, not quite real background 819 00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:35.920 that he's in. And also he's in a straight jacket. 820 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:37.440 Yeah, that doesn't help. 821 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:39.360 No, he's in a straight jacket. 822 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:41.920 It's funny that they keep calling them flashbacks. 823 00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:44.320 Yeah, you keeping them as flashbacks. 824 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.079 You should have been a flashbacks. I'm like, I don't 825 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:47.960 think I've ever referred to something in my real life 826 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.599 as a flashback. It's yeah, right, but it's it's just 827 00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.199 a TV they It. 828 00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.079 Is like that's a narrative term, right, It's like, this 829 00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.039 is a flashback scene. But for me, if I was 830 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.440 experiencing that, it would be like memory, You're appearing in 831 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:02.239 my memory something. 832 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.880 Wow. So he's very skeptical, but of course he would 833 00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.159 be one that would believe Chloe more than maybe others 834 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:08.280 because they're they're in love. 835 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.840 Yeah, they're sure. It's it's the way that you trust people, right, So, 836 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.440 like he loves her, therefore he's willing to trust her, 837 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:18.679 but I also think that they lose the idea that 838 00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:21.719 he's Also, he also feels like he's losing grip with 839 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:26.280 reality right now. Like, so he's much more inclined to 840 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.760 believe that this isn't real because the reality for him 841 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:33.239 is so bad, right, Like it's that he has lost 842 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:36.320 his grip on everything. He's lost everything he has, and 843 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:38.320 now he's being told by the woman he loves, Oh, 844 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:41.320 this isn't real. It's okay, I'll get you back to reality. 845 00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:43.920 Like that's so much easier to believe than someone like Clark, 846 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.159 who's like, I haven't lost everything, Like I've lost my powers, 847 00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:48.079 but I can deal with that. 848 00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:50.159 I don't even want those. In fact, I might get 849 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:51.239 rid of him one day anyway. 850 00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.159 I'm just it's it's fine, it's no big deal, and 851 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.639 it will save my life, you know. So there's that, 852 00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.000 So yeah, there's I just think that it's just easier 853 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.599 for him to be the first one because he's already 854 00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:05.599 teetering on the edge, and so much easier for him 855 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:07.000 to decide. Okay, sure, I'll jump. 856 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:11.519 Now. Twelve minutes in we get told what's going on. 857 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.800 I'm like, come on, guys, that's that's pretty quick. That's 858 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.840 pretty There's not a set up because like an episode, 859 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.440 think an episode like Labyrinth. Right, yeah, we're like, you know, 860 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.079 you know that Clark's not really his The whole series 861 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:24.719 has not been his imagination. 862 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.360 Right, there's always one of those episodes, you know, right. 863 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.760 But it's it's intriguing. You're like, oh, what's going on? 864 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.679 But this is like, oh hey, here's the deal, Like 865 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:35.480 oh oh, we're all hooked into the the matrix. Okay, you, 866 00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.639 Clark and everyone else are lying como toast in lab beds. 867 00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.559 I'm like, oh, okay, your brains are all being wired 868 00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:45.360 into real life how which is how is a terrible comparison, 869 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.840 but that's why they have the music from two thousand 870 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:48.440 and one at the beginning. 871 00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:53.519 That was how It wasn't virtual reality, how was artificial intelligence. 872 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:56.079 They're like, well, we don't want to say the matrix. 873 00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.719 What else can we say? Right anyway, But for those 874 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.079 of you who don't understand, it's like you're playing a 875 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:02.039 giant video game. 876 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:03.800 It's war games. It's fine. 877 00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:06.480 Yeah, that it's being driven by you're subconscious, right, So 878 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.679 that's that's that is her explanation, and she is an 879 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:13.800 avatar of herself, Chloe in the sky with diamonds like 880 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.079 I have not I have not missed. I have not 881 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:18.679 missed your Your dialogue, You're. 882 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:23.280 Not gonna dialogue is so cheesy deliver. Most of it 883 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:26.280 just fine, but like some of it's it's real rough. 884 00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.079 Broke into a lab of lunacy and all this. It's like, okay, 885 00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:31.440 they're lost. 886 00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:37.000 Every line, every single line. It's just some the canary 887 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:38.199 in a cage or whatever. 888 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.960 It's just, oh, canary, I'm trying to get your of 889 00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:41.960 your digital cage. 890 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.719 Yeah, thank you. I did not write down all of 891 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:46.360 the dialogue. 892 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.320 She explains that these the the flashbacks. 893 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:51.400 They're having these flashbacks. 894 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.719 Yeah, there from when she tried she showed up and 895 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.960 she tried to pull them out, but when she couldn't 896 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.400 because they tried to disc think from the main frame 897 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.400 and their body is flat lined, so that's why they 898 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.159 have that traumatic memory. And then by the time they 899 00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.159 got to like Lowist, they had figured out not to 900 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:08.440 do that, right. 901 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:10.239 They took them three or four tries. 902 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.000 Right, so it was Oliver Clark and Black Canary. Yeah, 903 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.599 and after that, no, there was. 904 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:19.400 No They're like, hang on, they're gonna die if we do. 905 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:21.119 I'm sensing a pattern. 906 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.920 Okay, so if I'm to understand, I'm just trying to 907 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.440 keep help me here. All the other Just League's members 908 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.199 should still be hooked up in these tubes. 909 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.159 Right, And that's what it seems like. 910 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:35.840 Yes, okay, all right, they're just. 911 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.679 They're all still there. We just haven't encountered them because 912 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:40.800 we haven't paid them for this episode. 913 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.360 I guess, not even body doubles or yeah, it's like, 914 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.360 do we had body doubles at the funeral? Just getting 915 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:49.719 them back? Right, Yeah, Chley has the whole There is 916 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:51.840 no spoon moment, you like, the soon you believe you 917 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.320 conmunpulate this reality, the soon you can break free of. 918 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.280 It, and then yeah, there is no spoon. 919 00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:00.239 Suddenly he's uh, he's following her around. He's not straight 920 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.639 jacket anymore. They're just walking through the hallways of the hospital. 921 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:09.760 Oh there's eight agents can't say agents can't say that. Basically, 922 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:12.800 agents from the Matrix are walking around and oh my god. 923 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:14.360 And then he gets out of the straight jacket. She's like, 924 00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:18.280 come on, Hoodni, let's go. I'm like, enough, yeah, Chloe, okay, but. 925 00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:22.559 No, And that's just the beginning. It's the first scene. 926 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:24.280 I understand she's been gone for abb We don't need 927 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:25.039 to make up for lost time. 928 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:27.679 Need to quip, We need to constantly quip. How do 929 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.480 we write Chloe if she's not quipping. 930 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.920 Quip quip the trap door for them all to extit 931 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:34.880 the phone booth if you will. If you've seen the Matrix, 932 00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:36.679 how they get out of the Matrix. 933 00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:40.639 It's much more dramatic than that. 934 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:42.480 Yes, eight hundred feet above. 935 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.559 Broadway, so naturally you have to jump off the roof. 936 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:47.280 I mean, if you want to hit the right angle, 937 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:48.000 I guess. 938 00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.320 I guess, Yeah, you have to get really far out. 939 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.559 But hey, she couldn't pick where that was going to be, 940 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:57.000 so no, it disappeared. And hey, these guys they're not 941 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:01.119 virtual cops. They're avatars, by the way, So they're not agents, 942 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.119 they're not cops. They're avatars. It's just exposition, exposition, expedition. 943 00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:08.360 It's just like, well, you know. He's like, well, then 944 00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:09.960 I'm not worried about it if they shoot me and 945 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:11.440 I'm not going to die, He's like, no, no, no. 946 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.000 You know when the people who die when they jump 947 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:15.800 out of a plane, the parachute doesn't go off. I did. 948 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.159 This is news to me. I'm gonna have to look 949 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.400 this up. Apparently they don't die from the impact on 950 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.440 the ground. They die from having a heart attack out 951 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:21.719 of fear. 952 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:23.719 Is the heart attack you have when you know you're 953 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:27.079 gonna die. I I don't know if that's true. I 954 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.880 feel like blunt force is probably the thing that actually 955 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.719 kills you. But also, this was a thing that I 956 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.079 believed when I was a kid. Yeah, so to me, 957 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:37.920 it feels like something that you just didn't google. 958 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:40.679 Well, you know what this reminded me of. You know Batman, 959 00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.239 the animated series. You know the episode where Bruce Wayne 960 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.440 is in the much like this is in a reality 961 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:49.480 where he's not Batman. He figures it out because he 962 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.639 tries to read stuff and you can't read and at 963 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:54.840 the end spoilers mad hatters behind it all. He tells 964 00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:57.239 the mad Hatter's like, you can't read it a dream, 965 00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:59.639 And from my whole life, I thought you can't read 966 00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:01.159 in dream like I don't you can. 967 00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:03.320 I've never been able to read in a dream. 968 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:06.599 Well, I think it's a it's a they explained it, 969 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.440 how like dreaming is like the left side, and writing 970 00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.480 and reading is the right side, and something is. 971 00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:13.880 Just something like that is a different part of your brain. 972 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.280 Yeah, it's not as clearcut as Batman tried to tell me. 973 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:16.760 It's my point. 974 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.440 No, but I I mean, you can't also unless you're 975 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.800 a lucid dreamer, like you can't force yourself to try 976 00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:23.920 to read in your dream. But I can't remember. I 977 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:25.599 mean I can't really remember my dreams nine times out 978 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:28.000 of ten anyway. But I don't feel like I remember 979 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:29.880 any dream in which I read something. 980 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.679 I'm not you know, I might put that that a test. 981 00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:33.719 I'm not gonna put the skydiving thing in the test. 982 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:35.639 No, you're not gonna jump out of a plane without 983 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:36.960 a parachute and see what kills you. 984 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.760 No, but but that is to establish the stakes where 985 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.440 if you die here, yes, if you die in the matrix, 986 00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:44.400 you die in real life. Yeah, we know, said we 987 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:48.039 saw the movie. So Chloe's like, do you trust me? 988 00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:50.480 And he's like yeah. So she pulls out some guns 989 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.480 and starts mowing down these mowing down these cops. 990 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:56.079 Yeah, just mowing them down with guns. I think that 991 00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:57.840 Chloe always has. 992 00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:59.360 I one of the part of me is like the 993 00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:01.159 Dallas and Max say, if I come back, I'm gonna 994 00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:02.880 do some action stuff, Like I feel like this almost 995 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:04.400 feels like an actor not she does. 996 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.079 She has a couple of episodes like that too, Like 997 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:08.400 I don't know if it's the next one or if 998 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.199 it's soon where they have it's the Date Night episode 999 00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:13.039 where she also does a lot of action stuff. 1000 00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:15.639 Yeah, I feel like that might have been like Okay, 1001 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:17.480 I wonder do you still that before, like some kong fu, 1002 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:19.719 some gun stuff, like I want to have some fun, 1003 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.239 I guess. I mean, if that's what you want to do. 1004 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.239 So that's going down. And then we go back to 1005 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.960 the Deli planet and Clark's looking through all the facilities 1006 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:29.440 that he might have been out, but he doesn't recognize 1007 00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.800 any of them. And then this is where we have 1008 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.440 This is where we bring back the uh hey, remember 1009 00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:36.559 when Black Can Area was rush Limball like that, we 1010 00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:38.800 bring that back here, because like she shows up to 1011 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:42.239 talk to to Lowis and Clark, and Lois is like, 1012 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.159 how is it feeled to be running for the Warhawks 1013 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.599 you spoiled for so long? I'm like, okay, okay, Like, yeah, 1014 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:49.119 I guess continuity points. 1015 00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.280 I mean, I this this episode feels not even this episode, 1016 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:56.639 like the whole Vra storyline in twenty twelve talking from 1017 00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:59.960 the future, it feels like it was four years too early, 1018 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.920 like it fits so well into the reality we have 1019 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.079 since a certain era. 1020 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.079 I hear what you're saying about it being too early. 1021 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.760 It's also too late, right, because it's like Patriocott act, right. 1022 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.159 I mean, yeah, it's not that it feels too early necessarily. 1023 00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.360 It's just like when you think of it in retrospect, 1024 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.760 it's it's like, oh, this would have not this wouldn't 1025 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.440 have been out of place. Right in a different year, 1026 00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:28.960 they probably with what was actually going on in a 1027 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.039 different time period, they might have had like more to 1028 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:32.599 write about. 1029 00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:37.679 But here it's just really used for character drama. Yeah, 1030 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:41.239 Oh well, Lois trusts Chloe because she's her cousin, and 1031 00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.960 Black Canary doesn't trust Chloy because, like you saw her 1032 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:45.760 experimenting on this in the government lab, and it's like, 1033 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:47.599 I don't know have but black Canary's making some good points. 1034 00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:49.800 Yeah, like for someone who didn't really work that closely 1035 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.360 with her, I guess like it, it makes sense. 1036 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:55.480 Then they pull up the She's hoping Oliver admit Jin 1037 00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:59.400 look and that you see Chloe and Oliver going through, 1038 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.519 and Dina just pulls up the all the security feed 1039 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:03.880 for met Jen. I guess you can do that from 1040 00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:07.400 Lois's computer, the Daily Planet, and at least you're shooting 1041 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.559 these cops. And then and then even the the Chloe 1042 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.840 dialogue has infected Lois. Now she's like, I hate to 1043 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.360 crash a little cheap party, but my cousin is no 1044 00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:19.800 Benedicte Arnold. I was like, is this all revolutionary war references? 1045 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.280 Like it's the one turncoat we could think of. 1046 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.800 But then Lois drops a hate not everybody switches sides 1047 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:28.400 as off of as you and you used to work 1048 00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:32.320 for Lex and you were his his uh grinder organ 1049 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:36.119 grinder monkey, Like okay, yeah, over simplification, but fair enough. 1050 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:37.039 She was a mercenary. 1051 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.039 Yeah, but hey, you know what violent criminals deserved a fry. 1052 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:41.960 That's a black Canary thinks she. 1053 00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:44.719 Does, like right, like and that line, Like she says 1054 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.480 that line, and I'm like, that's not Black Canary. Like 1055 00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:50.880 this Black Canary is a person who like in comics 1056 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:54.639 that I really enjoyed, like helped reform anti heroes, right. 1057 00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:57.440 Like, yeah, this is this is the case where they 1058 00:48:57.480 --> 00:48:59.360 need a character to do certain things and they're not 1059 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.679 like concerned about the I didn't get that character. 1060 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:04.719 No, then they never were really. 1061 00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.159 My gosh, like with Siren, and I think it might 1062 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:12.159 have behooved them to do Black Canary by yourself. I mean, 1063 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.639 you understand the why you would introduce her with Green 1064 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:16.880 Arrow in that season seven episode, because of course it's 1065 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:19.239 Green Arrow Black Canary. But then as we find out 1066 00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.679 over the years, it's not TV so and that that 1067 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.239 kind of undercut whatever kind of identity relationships she could 1068 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:27.239 have forged with the characters herself. And then now we 1069 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.360 have this kind of kind of blank slate as a 1070 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:31.360 character with like, well, we'll just have her say this 1071 00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:32.480 because we need someone to do it. 1072 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:34.719 And here we are, right, like we need someone to 1073 00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:36.440 be a foil, but like not a really well thought 1074 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:36.960 out foil. 1075 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.280 Yeah, we end up with the roof of the Daily 1076 00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:45.440 Planet with theories end up on the roof, right. He 1077 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:48.679 runs up there to see Oliver and Chloe's like, oh, 1078 00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:51.000 thank god, right, Like, oh, it's so good because Clark 1079 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.199 he hasn't seen Chloe since you know, yeah, the beginning 1080 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.079 of the size right, oh, because she texts him. And again, 1081 00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:00.039 like I always take screenshots of these small villain not 1082 00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.039 knowing how to visualize text messaging in the year of 1083 00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:04.960 twenty eleven is still hilarious to me. 1084 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.880 I'm like, yes, come on, like, we've been doing this 1085 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:08.639 for a while now. 1086 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.639 I know the show started in two thousand and one. 1087 00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:12.599 I'm not gonna hold that against you, but it's come on, 1088 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:14.760 everybody has a phone with text message now. But she 1089 00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:16.559 gets a text some Chloye to meet her, meet her 1090 00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.360 on the roof, right, and Aliver and Chloye up there, 1091 00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.480 and they basically say, hey, this is all fake, jump 1092 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.920 off the roof with us and we're gonna escape, right yeap. 1093 00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:27.840 It's got a little bit Inception in here too, which 1094 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.840 Inception came out in twenty ten. Yeah, so maybe they 1095 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:31.960 ripped some of that off too. 1096 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:34.800 They probably did rip some of that of off, like 1097 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.199 the idea of like folding reality, but like they didn't 1098 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:38.800 really they didn't have the budget to do any of it, 1099 00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:40.559 so it's much more matrix. 1100 00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:45.079 They had more steaks here about like scientists are trying 1101 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.119 to figure out your abilities and if they figure it out, 1102 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:49.159 we're gonna turn them off. I'm like, what is this now? 1103 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.159 Yeah, it's the whole Like we've figured out a way 1104 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.480 to like psychosomatically turn off your abilities, and if it 1105 00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:59.800 works in this virtual reality, it'll work in the real reality. 1106 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.880 But in the virtual reality, they've just convinced him that 1107 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:04.000 his powers don't work. 1108 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.199 Yeah, they blocked his neuropaths. 1109 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:09.079 And block them neuropaths. 1110 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.440 This is they're trying to add more steaks, Yeah, when 1111 00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:14.039 they don't need. 1112 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.119 Like the reason why you have to get out, Yeah. 1113 00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:18.440 Well well that whether that you don't want to be 1114 00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:20.159 trapped in the like I don't know, Like I feel 1115 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.159 like they didn't need to add that extra layer. They 1116 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:23.719 could have been like, yeah, the government has you all 1117 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:26.559 hooked in here and they're just studying how you behave 1118 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.800 in your world. Like that's there's one hundred things they 1119 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.719 could have said. They're like, we're gonna turn off your powers. 1120 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:33.440 Right, you could have added like a ticking clock, like 1121 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:35.679 I've based on what I've seen in the system, like 1122 00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:37.320 you have six hours to get out of here, or 1123 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.239 else you're trapped in here forever like or. 1124 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.239 Or something they're gonna they're gonna do something like that. 1125 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:42.960 Vraa is gonna do something big in the real world 1126 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:44.480 and you guys gotta get out of here and stop it, 1127 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:44.960 right like. 1128 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.760 Right, yeah, Like literally any kind of ticking clock I 1129 00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:50.159 think would have been better than they're gonna learn how 1130 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:51.960 to turn off your powers in the real world, like. 1131 00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.440 Yeah, because I never really liked I mean it's visual 1132 00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:58.639 shorthand now with any Marvel DC anywhere, Like, oh, I 1133 00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:00.599 got a caller on and I can't use my powers, 1134 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.599 Like how would that even work? Like really, like, oh, 1135 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.960 the Flash can't run because he's got his power dampening 1136 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:08.960 necklace on, you know what I mean? 1137 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.880 Like I never I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't 1138 00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:13.480 love it. I think I like it when it's a 1139 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.760 very short like bit of something that's happening, so like 1140 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.320 the Collars and Earth X, but that works because it's 1141 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:21.000 a very short thing. It's just a reason why they 1142 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.920 can't use their powers, and a story they're not really 1143 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.320 trying to explain it. This tries to explain it and 1144 00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:29.480 it but it's not like they've found they're trying to 1145 00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:32.880 figure out how to use your block, your neuropathways to 1146 00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:35.039 make your powers not work. It's like it's more like 1147 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.519 they're trying to see how in your mind your powers 1148 00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.519 would be turned off, and then they could just do 1149 00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:43.880 that thing that you've already told them is the reason 1150 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.159 what your powers would be turned off. But that's also 1151 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:49.039 too complicated. Just give me a ticking clock. 1152 00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.960 Right, Like, I don't don't know, it's just they're overly 1153 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.559 complicating everything. Yeah, Oliver's abilities. 1154 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.760 Come on, ye, give me a ticking clock. So what 1155 00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:59.760 we have to like shrew up his hearing so that 1156 00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:02.480 he's constantly got tonys and then he can't have his 1157 00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.840 equilibrium and then he can't shoot straight, Like okay, you 1158 00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:07.760 could also just kill him. 1159 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:11.159 He's human, Like, so I mean maybe they did this 1160 00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:13.159 on purpose, so so Clark wouldn't believe her because it 1161 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:14.519 does sound kind of it's like, okay, what do we 1162 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:18.000 what are we talking about? Right right? Why didn't Ulis 1163 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:19.880 knows well, we figured out, we figured out it was 1164 00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.199 dangerous before her, Like okay, sure, but I don't mind 1165 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:24.880 Clark for not. 1166 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:29.800 Oh no, I don't either. Like I said, it's really 1167 00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:31.719 easy for all of her because he was already there 1168 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:34.760 and he loves her and like that's a good reason. 1169 00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.920 And for Clark, he's like, where have you been? 1170 00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:41.760 Yeah, it's a very valadorous because I want to. Like 1171 00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:43.159 the thing is, she's like, do you trust me? And 1172 00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:44.840 he's like I want to. 1173 00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:47.639 He gives her the Aladin, she gives him the Aladdin. 1174 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:50.599 You know. You know what the best Aladdin reference the 1175 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.800 show did was was is in Warrior back last season, 1176 00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:56.880 like when Warrior Angel with the boy was the man 1177 00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:58.320 he was, he was at the clothes like do you 1178 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.360 trust him? Like, oh man, I'm shipping these two too bad. 1179 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:03.960 He's an eight year old boy, but anyway bad he's 1180 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:04.519 a child. 1181 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:10.480 Yeah, it's very big of them, I know, right, but 1182 00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.360 you have to believe one hundred percent, and if you 1183 00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:14.480 don't believe one hundred percent, you will not go through 1184 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:14.920 the portal. 1185 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.639 You will die. And that's why Clark can't do it. 1186 00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:19.840 So Oliver and Chloe jump off, of course like no, 1187 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.599 which shows you he didn't believe and then they yeah, 1188 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.400 they it is the visuals amusing. It's just kind of 1189 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:27.159 funny to see them just falling. 1190 00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.400 Yeah, in the different ways, like Chloe does like this 1191 00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:33.239 graceful swan dive. Yeah, and Oliver's like. 1192 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:37.280 Ah, the guy who jumps around rooftops all the time, 1193 00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.159 Holy crap. And the girl in the chair, No, she 1194 00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:42.960 knows exactly what they do to look cool. 1195 00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:45.039 She trusts it, undred percent trust it. 1196 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:48.119 But you know what turns out Chloe was right, they 1197 00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.800 were in a virtual reality. Oh how about that? 1198 00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:52.199 How about that? 1199 00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:55.519 Oliver is not wearing his green Arrow costume when he 1200 00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.679 wakes up, He's wearing you know whatever, these government. 1201 00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.000 Fatigues, right, like the shirt and the cargo pants. 1202 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.519 So they stripped all the heroes and redressed they did. 1203 00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:06.360 Yeah, do you imagine trying to do that to Superman? 1204 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:07.920 Like trying to redress Superman? 1205 00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:11.159 Oh my goodness. I mean did they scrub the makeup 1206 00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:14.400 off Black Canary's face with the They must have made. 1207 00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.400 That grease paint man. But she gets it back, she 1208 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:19.000 puts it back on before she goes out. 1209 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:24.800 I guess their costumes were nearby Storre. Yeah, but yeah, 1210 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:28.000 clothing and Oliver that they embraced and we did this 1211 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:29.480 might help you decide and she kisses. 1212 00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:31.920 I'm like, oh, you gotta do it, you gotta do it. 1213 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.559 I'm a giant shipper. I loved it. I'm just I'm 1214 00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:37.800 a sap for that kind of crap. 1215 00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.079 Do you feel alive now? Do you so? 1216 00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:44.960 And then Rick Flag walks in and works it up. 1217 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.440 What the hell are you doing here? She's like, stand 1218 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.159 down when they and Oliver's like, wait were they they? 1219 00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:54.960 I'll take care of these ladies. 1220 00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.559 Yeah, like oh yeah, tough guy all over here, right, 1221 00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:59.760 But I'm like, what why are you here? 1222 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:05.280 You know, just Edree, it's not necessary to bring the 1223 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:07.840 Suicide Squad back, like it literally could just be Chloe. 1224 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:09.719 They don't really do a lot of explaining of where 1225 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:11.920 she's been and how she's gotten here. But the thing 1226 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.039 that it does do, and this is the whole reason 1227 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:15.400 why I wanted to be on this episode. 1228 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:16.679 Oh okay, here we are. 1229 00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:19.079 The thing that it does do is it completes my 1230 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:23.000 theory that Chloe is Oracle, because when Oracle was first 1231 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.280 introduced by Oustrander and Yale in she was introduced in 1232 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:32.639 Suicide Squad, so like she had been horribly mangled in 1233 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.360 the comic That Shall Not Be named. They had basically 1234 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:37.760 done away with her whatever we're done with this character, 1235 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.679 and they had asked to take her into suicide Squads. 1236 00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:43.199 They just launched it in the same year. What they 1237 00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.880 decided to do was put her in the wheelchair and 1238 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:49.239 have her become an information broker. So she's sort of 1239 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:51.880 appearing in the comics, well without appearing in the comic. 1240 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:55.039 She's just like this hacker who has gotten her way 1241 00:56:55.079 --> 00:57:00.960 into the suicide Squad like computers and is doing and 1242 00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:03.880 then I can't remember exactly what happens, but it's like 1243 00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:08.519 an issue forty four or something, Amanda Waller has gone 1244 00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:13.559 away for some reason. I've really prepared for this. Amanda 1245 00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:16.199 Waller is gone, she's not running the Suicide Squad anymore, 1246 00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:20.519 and Oracle takes over. So there's like a couple issues 1247 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:24.079 of the book where she's like she's taken over like remotely, 1248 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:26.880 and then all of a sudden, she appears and it 1249 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:30.679 is Barbara Gordon sitting in a wheelchair and she is Oracle, 1250 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:32.960 and she becomes the leader of the Suicide Squad for 1251 00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:35.599 like a couple of years, and then eventually she fills 1252 00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:37.079 in a bunch of extra Hole shows up in Noman's 1253 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:38.400 Land like a whole bunch of other stuff where she 1254 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.639 becomes like her own character. But that was how they 1255 00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:43.320 introduced the character, was having her come in and take 1256 00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.239 over the suicide squad. They had to find out the 1257 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:49.199 coolest way possible to bring back this character who everyone 1258 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:51.639 had written off, who is now in a wheelchair and 1259 00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.079 make her as like interesting as they could, and that's 1260 00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:55.440 what they did. So they brought her in and they 1261 00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.559 made her take over the suicide squad. And then I 1262 00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.400 was reading about that and learning about all that stuff 1263 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:03.400 and then rewatching small Villain, thinking like they didn't do 1264 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:05.519 it in the right order necessarily for it to be 1265 00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.599 the same, But they did so many of the same 1266 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:12.320 things that they did with Oracle with Chloe, so like 1267 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.360 you have previous episodes where she takes it a step 1268 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:17.159 too far and she lets the power go to her head, 1269 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:19.880 and that happens with Oracle like there are Huntress like 1270 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.199 tells her often an issue about how she was manipulating 1271 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:25.559 her friends because she knew that this is the reason 1272 00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.000 that they would end up joining her team and like helping, 1273 00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:32.119 and that she'd done it with everybody else. And there's 1274 00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.800 a the episode in the beginning of season ten, where 1275 00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:37.920 Chloe decides to fake her death, like that's the death 1276 00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:41.880 of Oracle, Like the concept of Oracle has become too 1277 00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:45.159 threatening to certain powers, and the only way to save 1278 00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:48.119 her life and to save like the work that they do, 1279 00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.760 is to die. And so she fakes her death and 1280 00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:52.920 like Oracle quote unquote dies for a little while and 1281 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.800 then she comes back. So like they just did all 1282 00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:59.159 the same stuff but with Chloe, and I found that 1283 00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:03.599 to be just a really fascinating thing that they did, 1284 00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:05.440 where they took all like so they got to be 1285 00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:07.599 reading the comics right and yet just not sticking to 1286 00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.039 them in certain other ways. But it was just like, 1287 00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:12.360 you don't have to bring Suicide Squad back in this episode. 1288 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.599 There's absolutely no reason for them to be there because 1289 00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.119 it doesn't really get explained and they really don't appear 1290 00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:21.559 that much going on like going forward, and they never 1291 00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:23.800 really made sense to begin with as like this anti 1292 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:29.119 vra pro vigilante team, right, But it was just a 1293 00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.119 cool thing for me as an Oracle fan who read 1294 00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:33.920 the comics and really saw that character in Chloe. There 1295 00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:34.840 you go, that's my feeling. 1296 00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:37.840 No, that's fantastic. I did not know about the history 1297 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:41.320 of Oracle in that way. Obviously, the whole Watchtower thing 1298 00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:43.079 with her, we all kind of thought. 1299 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.920 Right, it works. The whole set looks like. 1300 00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:48.280 Yeah, I mean she's surrounded by ice greens, you know 1301 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.519 that that kind of justified. And then her faking your 1302 00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.960 own death, like I thought that was a bizarre thing 1303 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.159 they did in season ten with Chloe, like, well, she's yeah, 1304 00:59:56.239 --> 01:00:00.679 not dead, we all know that, so right, Like referencing 1305 01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:03.119 that in their own way perhaps makes that make. 1306 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:06.599 In the In the Death of Oracle, which is the 1307 01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:10.199 first arc of the second volume, which is right around 1308 01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:13.280 the Brightest Day storyline, she does the whole thing where 1309 01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:14.920 she fakes her death and then she gathers like a 1310 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:19.559 small group of her most close like confidants and tells them, 1311 01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:22.440 I'm not really dead, but you can't tell anyone because 1312 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.079 everybody else has to believe the Oracle is gone. And 1313 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:27.639 then she comes back again like it It doesn't really 1314 01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:29.800 pan out because they needed her to be around to 1315 01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:30.519 do other things. 1316 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.599 But there's a line in early season ten, I think 1317 01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:37.400 not even Tests or Oliver, somebody they say the only 1318 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:40.519 person who could delete Chloe is Chloe. 1319 01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:44.000 Because she like deleted herself from the internet, right, like 1320 01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:44.199 she did. 1321 01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:46.639 We had to explain why the lesion of the Superheroes never 1322 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:47.079 heard of her. 1323 01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:48.360 Yeah, exactly. 1324 01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:50.360 I think that's their weight around that because at the 1325 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:52.960 time it was like, oh, what does that mean you 1326 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.880 never feature? Does she become Loa's Lane or who knows? Right, 1327 01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.039 I'm just saying as well, the fans are rattling off, 1328 01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.800 that's that's a radical thing to say about this character 1329 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:03.199 who you invented. And then like the payoff is now 1330 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:05.239 she just deleted herself from the internet. 1331 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.480 Like right, but then like but then she comes back 1332 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:09.719 and like she becomes a reporter again. So like, I 1333 01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:14.159 don't know, is she using a pseudonym? She going by queen. 1334 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:19.000 You know you mentioned the Suicide Squad? Uh, kind of 1335 01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:21.119 being out of place and not doing anything after this. 1336 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.440 This is the last episode of the Suicide. 1337 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:24.280 Squad, right, they don't matter. 1338 01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.519 No, Rick Flagg he was in four episodes this season, 1339 01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:30.800 dead Shot was in two episodes, and then Plastique she 1340 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.400 was only in the one. And thankfully she is. I 1341 01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:40.400 mean Jessica Parker Kennedy became actress then yeah, no, good, yes, 1342 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:42.559 and you've probably interviewed. 1343 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:43.400 Her, right, I have interviewed her. 1344 01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.519 Yeah, so she became a much better actress between Smallville 1345 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.440 and the Yes, and we'll leave it at that. And 1346 01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:52.599 I did not miss not seeing Plastick anymore with Suicide. 1347 01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.800 It's my very stupid thing about. The one time I 1348 01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.239 interviewed her was during the press line for the Flash 1349 01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.239 at New York No Saneo Comic Con a bunch of 1350 01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:05.880 years ago, and she's very nice, but I was like, 1351 01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:08.000 she's been in something else. Like the whole time I'm 1352 01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:10.039 standing in this press line waiting for her to show up, 1353 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.360 and I'm like, she's been in something else. She was 1354 01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:14.280 in Smallville? Who did she play in Smallville? And I 1355 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.360 realized it as I was talking to her nice and 1356 01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:19.320 I was like, oh, right, you were in Smallville. You 1357 01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:21.159 played Plastic, right, She's like yeah. I was like, so 1358 01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:24.320 what's it like being in another DC property several years later? 1359 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:26.639 A good question? And in multiplepisodes. I think she was 1360 01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:28.800 in like three, maybe four, three or four. 1361 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:31.039 Yeah, she was in a few because like she does 1362 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:34.719 that like version of the Suicide Squad that all has 1363 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:35.599 Amanda Waller. 1364 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:37.719 Who also the Injustice League. 1365 01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.480 Yes, the Injustice Yeah. 1366 01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:41.639 That's the thing they do. The Injustice League in season eight, 1367 01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:43.079 they do chick Me in season nine, and they do 1368 01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:45.760 the Suicide Squad in season ten. I'm like, that's the thing. 1369 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:48.679 These look they should have stuck with Amanda Waller and 1370 01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:51.320 Checkmate and then the Suicide Squad Like, oh no, we 1371 01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:52.280 killed Amanda Waller. 1372 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.639 Oops, doesn't Amanda Waller When she's introducing by the way, 1373 01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:57.119 Pam greg graduates for Amanda. 1374 01:02:56.840 --> 01:02:58.920 Waller, but welcome to the suicide Squad, right, she. 1375 01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:00.679 Says, welcome to the suicide Squad and then like nothing 1376 01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:02.360 comes of it until suddenly they show up. 1377 01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:05.960 Yeah. I love fanger Is. 1378 01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:07.519 She's great. 1379 01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:09.280 I've had a lot of great Amanda Wallers and she's 1380 01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:10.920 one of them. She's definitely overlooked. 1381 01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:14.760 Yeah, we've got an off track though we have kind off. 1382 01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:16.559 Track, but you know what, there the suicide squads here 1383 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:19.519 in I'm gonna take some screenshots of this room by 1384 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:24.239 the way with the tubes, because I counted five tubes 1385 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:26.760 in this room and. 1386 01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:29.119 There are five characters that we actually know are in there, 1387 01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:33.880 even though she does mention well it's Lois Clark, Black 1388 01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:36.639 Canary Oliver, and she mentions. 1389 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:38.400 Ac so you're thinking he's the fifth. 1390 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:40.360 I think he's the fifth Yeah. 1391 01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:43.280 But who were the other Justice League members? 1392 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:48.480 I don't know, maybe there's an another part that you're 1393 01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:49.039 not seeing. 1394 01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:51.679 Okay, I'm just I'm sorry, I'm hung up on this 1395 01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.119 because the cliffhanger was, there's the twelve Justice League members 1396 01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.320 we knocked out, let's see what happens next. And they're like, 1397 01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:59.159 I get it. Forget two thirds of them, right, So. 1398 01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:01.079 Why did I think there was a fifth one? 1399 01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:02.559 Like right out of the toime, Chloe would be the 1400 01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:03.480 fifth one because. 1401 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:04.920 She's Yeah, Chloe would be the fifth one. 1402 01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:07.360 There are names, but she's not in some of these too, 1403 01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:13.559 Like what the name texts say Lois Lane the blur, Yeah, don't. 1404 01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:15.239 I don't know if you see that fifth one out though, 1405 01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:16.679 that's what the Blu rays were and pull that out 1406 01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:17.119 of the HD. 1407 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.639 But like, if you're watching, if you're like taking in 1408 01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:22.480 data from all this, you know that, like you know 1409 01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:24.679 their names, like their names are just known at this point. 1410 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:26.679 Yeah, it is funny how they like, oh, we better 1411 01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:29.760 label them so we don't get confused. I've seen this 1412 01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:31.760 in you know, I gotta bring my Star Trek up 1413 01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:34.360 that there was a the two part season three premiere 1414 01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:38.360 of Star Treking Space nine spoilers. Uh, like, uh, the 1415 01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:42.000 crew of the Defiant gets captured by the Dominion and 1416 01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:45.159 very similarness. They're all hooked up to this thing and yeah, 1417 01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:46.639 they have to do a whole thing and they're all 1418 01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:49.199 working together and all this stuff. And but that's more 1419 01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:53.440 interesting because people that aren't there, like characters who aren't 1420 01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:55.679 hooked in the simulation or there, they interact with them, 1421 01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:58.320 like one of them dies the whole emotional moment. Oh, 1422 01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:01.599 that's the stuff you can do in virtual reality, right, 1423 01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:03.760 and some moves like eh, don't worry about it. 1424 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:05.840 Right, it's just one episode wherecause we done with it 1425 01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:08.559 in one episode. This is how we like reintroduce Chloe 1426 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:11.800 and make everybody trust her again. And that's it. That's 1427 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:13.360 all that happens. 1428 01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:18.199 So you know, blah blah blah, exposition exposition exposition. Uh, 1429 01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:22.119 dead shots covering the perimeter whatever? This cowboy dead shot 1430 01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:25.920 amuses me. Uh, they took too much inspiration from Jonah. 1431 01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:28.079 Hex Yeah, it was a lot of Jonah Heck's And. 1432 01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:29.360 I'm like, why are you a cowb Did you guys 1433 01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.199 think that was gonna be a big hit that summer? 1434 01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.320 Is that? Why? Like it it's like because I believe 1435 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:37.199 I believe twenty eleven was when jonah X came out, yeah, 1436 01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:39.800 which which I used to say was the worst comic 1437 01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:42.480 movie of all time. But I recently saw Venom the 1438 01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:46.440 Last Dance, and I think that might be the worst one. Well, 1439 01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:47.440 you know, to each their own. 1440 01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:51.840 But yeah, anyway, Catwoman's real Baday. 1441 01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:53.719 I saw that on a plane once and I haven't 1442 01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:57.239 watched it since it is I mean, the basketball scene 1443 01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:01.800 is immortalized, so U Anyway, look, had so many comic 1444 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:04.599 movies now it's we can't the best stuff worst stuff lists. 1445 01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:07.719 They're all so subjective. But anyway, Chloe's doing her whole 1446 01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:10.360 hacker thing, and we see Dana go up on the 1447 01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:11.960 screen and she re. 1448 01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:16.199 Enters, but she doesn't like jack herself in the same way. 1449 01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:19.280 So in my mind, she's like typing commands right, and 1450 01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:22.400 like her avatar is doing things. So to me, did 1451 01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:26.400 you ever play the game Hugo? Okay, so it was this. 1452 01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:30.880 It was this instructional game, so like if you were 1453 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:33.599 a Homestar Runner fan at any point, like they had 1454 01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:35.480 a version of they had a trog Door game that 1455 01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:39.079 was also like a text input game. Yeah, so it 1456 01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:41.199 was that and you would have to input the correct 1457 01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:45.400 commands to make in this case Hugo like explore a 1458 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.679 forest and then a mansion and you solve puzzles and stuff, 1459 01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:51.239 but you had to put the correct text prompt in 1460 01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:53.679 and you have to say like it was like swing 1461 01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:56.760 on the vine and not like you know, swing over 1462 01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.360 the leg if you wouldn't understand what that meant. So 1463 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:02.280 it was very very specific because the coding was very specific. 1464 01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:04.760 And to me, it's like she's typing in like commands 1465 01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:08.599 like say this, go this way, fight Black Canary. 1466 01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:11.440 That is crazy that you say that, because you're so right, 1467 01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:14.199 because she doesn't go sit in a tube yeah and 1468 01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:16.000 get hooked. And you're like, oh yeah, so when I 1469 01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:18.159 got when I broke so and so when I broke 1470 01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:22.400 ac out, I retroactively changed his tube and now I'm 1471 01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:24.400 using it right. I mean, that's what you do, because 1472 01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:28.000 that's insane because the next scene when she quote unquote 1473 01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:30.000 Jack's back in, even though she's not jacking back in. 1474 01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:32.320 She appears in this alleyway and then Black Canary comes 1475 01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:34.000 out of nowhere and just to confront her, they have 1476 01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:34.599 this fight. 1477 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.280 And she just can imagine Coly just type it away, 1478 01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:40.639 like just typing out these commands. 1479 01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:43.000 What does she see? Can she read the maketrix code? 1480 01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:47.639 I mean, what's going on? She must be able to somehow, 1481 01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:50.199 Like it's I don't know, I'm seeing it as like 1482 01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:54.360 what was that game that was also entirely textpased, but 1483 01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:56.480 it was entirely tex based. There was no visual version. 1484 01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:59.199 It was like the first the first video game. It 1485 01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:03.039 was like, it wasn't or Zork, it was Zork. 1486 01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:07.159 Okay, sorry but no, that's fine, looking up everybody, Yeah, 1487 01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:10.679 Zork z O r K. 1488 01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:12.840 Z r K. Yeah, that was the Yeah. It was 1489 01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:14.800 like one of the first text based adventure games and 1490 01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:16.640 you were literally just typing commands in and then getting 1491 01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:18.479 a response is like what's around you? 1492 01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.600 But imagine the pace at which you're receiving, Like he 1493 01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:23.520 just threw a punch and a kick, and but hey, 1494 01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:25.279 you know what, how did black Canary find Chloe? You 1495 01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:28.079 go to an alley, You'll find a rat, Tricia. 1496 01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:30.239 Yes, you will that, and then it's just a quip off. 1497 01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:33.159 It's there's a lot of equips and then fighting chill out. 1498 01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:40.800 Chloe says, but this is the show articulating. They're manifesting. Okay, 1499 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:44.000 Black Canary, he should be with Oliver versus Chloe, who. 1500 01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:47.880 Is Yeah, yeah, I mean it kind of makes sense 1501 01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:50.239 in the context, like they're both very broken people when 1502 01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:50.840 they get together. 1503 01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:54.279 I get it. I just I forgot that we had 1504 01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:55.600 a Black Canary v. 1505 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:59.039 Chloe fight, right, and that is the I like it 1506 01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.000 that this is the way that Black Canary is like, 1507 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:03.119 oh so this is fake because there's no way. 1508 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.560 No way a fight. But this is where she drops 1509 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:08.119 the line, I want my powers back, and so to 1510 01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:16.000 Clark and ac Okay, what about Bart and Satanna and Cyborg? Cyborg? Hello, 1511 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:20.479 why is Cyborg not a part of this again? Act 1512 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:25.159 availability budget? You're in a VR you Yeah, you don't 1513 01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:29.720 bring back Chloe? Cyborg is Chloe in this and solves 1514 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:32.119 all the man I don't have to rewrite every episode 1515 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:34.840 as he as I talk about it. But that he 1516 01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:36.520 can plug into the computer and we don't have to 1517 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:39.560 worry about him typing in commands, you know. 1518 01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:44.439 Yeah, I mean jack out of the computer and you'll 1519 01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:45.760 be just fine. I mean he was on a different 1520 01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.760 show at this point, but yeah, yeah, he was on 1521 01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:50.199 Rosolian Isles by this one. 1522 01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:53.439 Isles, that's right. What was on what was Terminator. Sarah 1523 01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:55.640 Connor chronicles that was like a couple of seasons ago, 1524 01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:56.560 because I know he was on that. 1525 01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:59.479 Guess yeah, it was a pre a few previous seasons ago. 1526 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:05.039 Thompson Young So yeah, alright, r P. But then we 1527 01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:08.239 have total matrix fight, like Chloe's doing backflips. 1528 01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:10.159 Yeah, this is the I know, kung fu moment. 1529 01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:13.279 Yeah, when she did that first move of our black Arab, 1530 01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:14.920 be like, oh, okay, well clearly this is fake. But no, 1531 01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:19.640 they fight some it's it's interesting, it's visually, it's the 1532 01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:21.119 matrix is what it is, you know. 1533 01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:22.920 I mean, I think it's good. It's like most small 1534 01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:25.720 boat fights. It's too slow, like we got so used to, 1535 01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:27.560 like the really good fight Coreo on Arrow. 1536 01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:30.319 That's so the guys from Allest on Arrow. Whenever they're 1537 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:32.920 on here we talk about Oliver, they say, oh slow Arrow. 1538 01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:35.720 I'm like, yeah, you're right. I can't argue with that, right. 1539 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:39.119 But the one thing, the one thing that really seals 1540 01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:41.119 the deal is I really like a you know, there's 1541 01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:44.840 this blade that pops out of BlackBerry's boot, which is 1542 01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:47.880 pretty bad ass. She pulls out, catches it, throws it 1543 01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:50.960 right at Chloe and then Chloe just stops it, just 1544 01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:54.760 like Neo stops the bullets, because the episode takes it 1545 01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:58.079 out of the air. I wonder what that command was, 1546 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:07.600 freeze knife in front of the I told you, Dorothy, 1547 01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:10.680 this is all the dream. Now before I send you 1548 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:11.840 back to get will you stop? 1549 01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:17.520 Okay? But divorced from the other lines, I like the 1550 01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:20.359 delivery of I told you Dorothy, this is all a dream. Like, 1551 01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:23.840 I think it works. Yeah, if it was divorced from 1552 01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:26.000 so many other quips that just happened. 1553 01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:28.920 Well, yeah, absolutely, that's the in isolation all these things. Yeah, 1554 01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:30.760 did I get really mad about on Smallville? Like I'd 1555 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:32.760 be really chill about. But I don't need to hear 1556 01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:35.720 seventeen bad Superman references in a row that like to 1557 01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:36.479 the two good ones. 1558 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:38.880 You know, there were so many, Like there's so many 1559 01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:41.279 canary equips, like bird related. 1560 01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:43.039 Canary in your digital cage. 1561 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:47.239 Yeah, Like we didn't need that taunting. We just needed 1562 01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:49.079 the the Dorothy line. 1563 01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:50.760 Right, that's so we needed. But then you know, we 1564 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:55.039 cut back to the real world and Lieutenant Trotter was stroke. 1565 01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:57.840 Lieutenant she is you know what, And she'd been in 1566 01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.159 a couple episodes before this, which I'm like, okay, thank you, 1567 01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:02.880 thank you for a recurring actress or recurring guest star, 1568 01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:05.520 like it's not government person number seventeen of the week. 1569 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.600 She is dead set on getting these vigilanties. She's really, 1570 01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:11.840 really is. And then Canary wakes up and she's in 1571 01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:14.800 her military fatigues, you know, with her cargo pants and 1572 01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:19.279 undershirt and no makeup nothing, you know. So I guess 1573 01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:21.880 I get not only do they have her costume nearby, 1574 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:23.399 that her makeup kit nearby. 1575 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:25.119 They did have. They had her like grease paint with 1576 01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:26.680 the multiple colors. 1577 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:28.439 I thought, I spent a lot of time on this, 1578 01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:31.720 more than anyone should, thinking about how how quickly you 1579 01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:33.159 can maybe do just what if she has like a 1580 01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:36.760 sponge that she could like of all of the paint 1581 01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:38.720 ready where she could just put it on her face 1582 01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:39.239 real quick. 1583 01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:41.720 It's kind of like a temporary tattoo. Yeah, you just 1584 01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:43.479 sort of like stick it over and you just wet 1585 01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:44.760 it and then you peel it off. 1586 01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:48.399 Right, that has to be it, otherwise it's. 1587 01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:52.560 An a right, that's so it's this. There's some really 1588 01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:54.119 sharp edges in that makeup. 1589 01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:57.479 Yeah, that's right. That's man. That requires some some precision work. 1590 01:12:58.039 --> 01:12:58.800 It would take time. 1591 01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:01.399 It's like, hey, cloy sorry, She's like, it's okay. What 1592 01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:03.199 happens in cyberspace, days and cyberspaces. 1593 01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:05.119 It happens in cyberspace days and cyberspace. 1594 01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:07.079 They have made up by the way, Bechdel test passed 1595 01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:09.520 with that fight scene, right, yeah. 1596 01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:11.359 You goat there are just two people just fighting each other. 1597 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:16.159 It's just yes, it's there. It was a good fight 1598 01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:17.359 kind of. 1599 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:22.239 Yeah for small bull standards. So I guess Dina goes 1600 01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:24.079 after she and her employee make up there. I guess 1601 01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:27.119 she goes to change into her costume. Oliver employee talked 1602 01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:31.159 about Clark didn't trust me. I can't believe it, and 1603 01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:33.640 he's like, what's because you left us? You know, hich Is. 1604 01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:35.479 I'm sorry about that too. 1605 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.720 Yeah. Actually I'm pretty upset about that as well. But 1606 01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:40.680 if we don't get Clark out in seventeen minutes, and 1607 01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:42.560 we might never get about because here come the government. 1608 01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:44.359 So who finally we have this, Now we have our 1609 01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:46.920 ticking clock. So then we we we we see the 1610 01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:49.079 Blurs tube and Clark's in there, and we're on the 1611 01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:51.479 streets and track lists and I really they really kind 1612 01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:54.239 of you're maybe they racked up the I feel like. 1613 01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:57.319 They ratchet up the overexposed like stuff. 1614 01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:00.439 Yeah, because we really see it now on the street 1615 01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:05.560 and the Daily Planet. So at some point Chloe talks 1616 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:06.560 to Lois. 1617 01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:10.600 Yeah, we just didn't see it, okay, because well it's 1618 01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:12.239 like she talked to me. I talked to Chloe about it. 1619 01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:12.479 I know. 1620 01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:14.760 We need to make time for the ten minutes of 1621 01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:18.800 like coda's in these episodes. Right, I'd forgotten how many 1622 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:19.439 codas there were. 1623 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:22.600 This is the structure of Smallville. Like the episode ends 1624 01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:25.920 at the end of Act four, Yeah, and then Act 1625 01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:29.119 five is all just what do we learned today? Everyone? 1626 01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:29.520 Yeah? 1627 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:32.800 Yeah, but again, like this episode, and that's that this 1628 01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:34.800 is a this is a great like microcus on the 1629 01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:37.399 problem this episode, like Clark, Chloe talked to me and 1630 01:14:37.399 --> 01:14:40.560 told me everything. I'm like, show don't tell right, yeah, 1631 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:44.039 instead of like, oh yeah, the government kidnapped you all 1632 01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:45.720 and hooked you up to machine. Can we see that? 1633 01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:50.199 Yeah? Like we almost I would almost prefer Clark to 1634 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:54.079 say what Chloe told him and for Lois to be like, Okay, 1635 01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:57.880 why don't you believe her? Like what reason do you 1636 01:14:57.920 --> 01:15:00.880 have not to believe her? Like, just show that she 1637 01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:02.119 has the blind faith. 1638 01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:04.399 Instead of we had a very crucial conversation off screen 1639 01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:06.880 that we didn't think was worth our time in hearing. Yeah, 1640 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:10.319 you and Chloe have battled luthers, you fought with demons 1641 01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:14.279 from space and battled supernatural hexes together. Sex. Yes, you have. 1642 01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:16.920 That's why you should That's that's why you should trust her. 1643 01:15:17.439 --> 01:15:19.880 Yeah, and that was honestly, that was a good like 1644 01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:23.399 the Looser Luthors being season one through seven, and then 1645 01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:28.520 the Hexes and the space demons being Slash nine and 1646 01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:31.159 now that's it. That's how we summed up the whole series. 1647 01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:33.520 Right, But what's really going on? Clark and he's like, 1648 01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:35.560 I don't know Chloe anymore, and I feel like, as 1649 01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:38.159 the viewer, I don't know Chloe anymore either, so it 1650 01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:38.840 is kind of meta. 1651 01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:39.720 Yeah. 1652 01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:43.079 Yeah, so it's it's interesting that they approached his head on. 1653 01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:44.600 They try to make it part of the narrative. I 1654 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:45.960 guess I applaud them for that. 1655 01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:49.199 Yeah, but it boils down the whole episode into this 1656 01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:53.279 one like five minute scene, rather than like teasing it 1657 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:56.560 out over the course of the episode or over the 1658 01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:57.720 course of two episodes. 1659 01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:03.000 Ideally, you know, the uh again, the the continuity listing 1660 01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:07.600 off here from the Torch to Summers at the Lake. Yeah, 1661 01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:10.000 to the planet and watch time, Like Summers at the Lake. 1662 01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:12.279 You talking about the episode of a Command, right, that. 1663 01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:14.359 One episode where we read the lake we went to 1664 01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:19.600 the lake, remember in season four, like episode four he 1665 01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.079 went to the lake that one time. 1666 01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:26.279 But this is having the opposite effect onund Clarke. He's like, yeah, 1667 01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:29.119 you know, it's blinding me to the truth. Clolling on. 1668 01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:30.319 You are on a different past. I don't know where 1669 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:32.399 she's headed right, And I mean she's made some crushable 1670 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.039 decisions the last couple of seasons, So you know, I 1671 01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:37.800 get why he'd be on on not trusting her the 1672 01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:39.000 way he should. 1673 01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:43.199 I get it. But also like this is his whole 1674 01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:48.439 subburness streak, like his like suddenly he doesn't trust people 1675 01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:52.600 or believe things when it's like what reason have they 1676 01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:55.239 given you not to trust them or what? Like, there's 1677 01:16:55.319 --> 01:16:59.239 just like the whole Davis Bloom situation. It's like I 1678 01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:02.119 will not kill It's like we've ascousted all the other options. 1679 01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:06.880 Well, they kind of forget that Chloe, Like the reason 1680 01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:08.920 she left was the prisoner exchange for all of her 1681 01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:11.319 like they're act like, right, where did she go? Why 1682 01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:13.720 didn't she tell it? Yeah, she faked her death or whatever, 1683 01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:15.199 but like she's off the grid, like I don't know, 1684 01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:16.920 it's it's it's they act like she just left one 1685 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.840 day and like there was no reason, so I don't know, 1686 01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:20.239 like she. 1687 01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:23.439 Just disappeared and didn't tell like she literally traded her 1688 01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:24.359 life for olivers. 1689 01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:26.520 Yeah, and then they do it a whole other gear 1690 01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:27.840 where he's like, you know, I expect to Cloyd to 1691 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:29.800 trust me all these years and she didn't know my secret, 1692 01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:31.880 and how do you trust me? And then that turns 1693 01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:33.399 in their conversations later and I felt like it was 1694 01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:35.479 a whole different gear they went into with that whole 1695 01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:36.359 trust talk, but. 1696 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:38.319 They had to get in there really fast. Yeah. 1697 01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:41.000 Yeah, it's and you said it earlier like that that 1698 01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:43.520 seems to be the theme, Like what is this episode about? 1699 01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:47.000 Really seems to be that, But it definitely gets lost 1700 01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:48.000 in all this nonsense. 1701 01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:50.720 Definitely right, like they don't they don't spend enough time 1702 01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:52.760 with it, and and that's a lot of like we 1703 01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:54.800 have to do the plot contrivances to get us there, 1704 01:17:54.840 --> 01:18:00.399 but like there's no other thing or it's like it's 1705 01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:03.039 not that she constantly. She's not there constantly trying to 1706 01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:05.960 convince Clark. It's like she tries. Once it doesn't work, 1707 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:08.920 Lois does it. Okay, it's fine, and now we have 1708 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:09.760 evil Chloe. 1709 01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:14.800 Yeah. Because so the the government, the VRA, whatever, they came, 1710 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:18.439 we got there, they got past. They knock out Chloe. 1711 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:21.520 And because it's not a Chloe hooked yourself up into 1712 01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:24.239 the matrix and whatever, it's her typing in a team. 1713 01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:26.800 You know, there is a microphone there. I'm gonna assume 1714 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:29.079 maybe she's telling her turn left, turn right. 1715 01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:34.239 Yeah, maybe she's maybe she's actually speaking the words into 1716 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:34.840 the computer place. 1717 01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:38.359 Let's hope. So, but Lieutenant Trotter and and everybody comes 1718 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:40.279 in and it gets one of her deck guys on 1719 01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:42.039 the computer do whatever it takes to stop him. And 1720 01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:44.359 then we see like not Chloe avatar. 1721 01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:44.840 You. 1722 01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:48.680 I mean they literally it's funny. They literally spell it out. 1723 01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:53.159 They're like, you solds Avatar. I'm like, okay, well show Intel. 1724 01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:55.840 Right, like you're just we we got it, like we 1725 01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:56.920 do know what's happening. 1726 01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:59.640 What's funny is we see the avatar like struggle with 1727 01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:03.960 being taken over. Like I'm like what is strange, Like 1728 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:09.359 there's it would just be waiting more commands. Yeah, yeah, 1729 01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.119 struggle to be taken over, Like, oh, we really need 1730 01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:13.960 to make him clear to all the viewers at home. 1731 01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:17.000 This is such a funny scene to me because Chloe 1732 01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:20.239 and uh not. Chloe runs into Clark and Will's on 1733 01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:22.560 the way up to the roof mm hmm, and they're like, oh, 1734 01:19:22.600 --> 01:19:24.680 we're gonna go jump off the roof. She said, Clark, 1735 01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:26.359 why should you do that? That's suicide. 1736 01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:28.960 You'll die. 1737 01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:31.319 It's a delusion. It's PTSD, Like I don't know. 1738 01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:33.560 Right, She like throws back the PTSD thing because he 1739 01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:35.159 uses PTSD at one point. 1740 01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:37.399 Yeah, so it's actually pretty clever, like she's using his 1741 01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:40.359 own earlier arguments against him. Yeah, and was like, wait, 1742 01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:41.319 you're not Chloe. 1743 01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:43.800 Is this the point where she's like, if this isn't 1744 01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:45.760 real that I can just like kicks her through a door. 1745 01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:48.479 Yes, she just slaps her like you know, through the 1746 01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:49.880 through the bullpen and knocks her out. 1747 01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:52.119 So yeah, it's like, Okay, that worked. 1748 01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:54.920 Anything's possible. So if he knew that, I don't just 1749 01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:56.640 imagine they're on the roof. Then all of a sudden, 1750 01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:58.239 you know, like we better take the elevator up to 1751 01:19:58.239 --> 01:19:59.640 the roof, right, We'll just. 1752 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:01.560 Go through that door and I will be on the roof. 1753 01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:02.880 But they're not that imaginative. 1754 01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:04.760 They're not I mean, I know Clark's not. 1755 01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:08.319 No, but you imagine, like you think of how like 1756 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:10.520 movie sets are built, right, your TV sets are built 1757 01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:13.520 where like doors open into other sets. Yeah, you could 1758 01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:16.399 use that, Like so you walk through the actual door 1759 01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:19.359 in between these two sets and suddenly you're on the roof. 1760 01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:20.399 That would have been cool. Yeah. 1761 01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:23.119 Yeah, we cut back to the real world, and and 1762 01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:25.319 and the government's like, we got the blur right where 1763 01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:28.479 we want him, don't let him out, Okay. 1764 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:30.640 Got him right where you want him, right near the exit. 1765 01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:34.479 And this yeah, like I don't I don't know, but 1766 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:37.479 they've blind folded Chloe. They're taken her out to the street. 1767 01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:40.159 But guess what, that's the cue for the Justice League 1768 01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:42.439 and the Suicide Squad to save the day. 1769 01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:44.000 With projectile weapons. 1770 01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:47.399 Yeah, I mean, that's that's the lesson kids. Just as 1771 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:49.359 long as you have friends with guns, you know, you 1772 01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:52.640 can say guns and Rick flag Man, I guess that's 1773 01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:54.800 a bulletproof vest he's wearing. He's got the giant vests. 1774 01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:56.760 We've always seen him, and he's just walking right in 1775 01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:58.439 the line of fire, shooting people with pistols. 1776 01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:00.800 You know, he's just really true. 1777 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:04.720 We see dead Shot has his heads up displaying his 1778 01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:07.560 giant eye piece, and he sees Chloe, you know, dead 1779 01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:09.960 to rights with two other people, and then he does 1780 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:13.000 a fancy bullet trick with his revolvers somehow. 1781 01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:16.680 Yeah. That that other movie with I don't know when 1782 01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:21.000 it came out, with Angelina Jolie and Joe MCATs want it. 1783 01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:29.119 That wasn't that bad. That's a concept, is fun. And 1784 01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:31.319 then another government person is gonna grab Chloe, but then 1785 01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:33.319 an arrow comes out and stops him even though there's 1786 01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:35.560 no When green arrow shows up, he has no bo 1787 01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:41.640 he has the wrong angle. Yeah, that's and then okay 1788 01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:46.199 Black Canary, yep, she just does cart Will after cart 1789 01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:48.840 Will after I like it. Okay, it works all right, 1790 01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:49.600 I thought you might. 1791 01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:53.239 It works for me. It's it's correct in the way 1792 01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:56.399 that I envisioned Black Canary. When Black Canary is not talking, 1793 01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:00.960 it's great. And then she says words. 1794 01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:03.640 But then she has she has her power landing, you know, 1795 01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:07.600 her superhar landing with her landing and then she knocks 1796 01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:10.920 out the trotter there with her canary cry, and all 1797 01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:13.800 is well outside you know, Rick flag and dead shot. 1798 01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:16.600 We all reconvene. Everything's great. 1799 01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:17.960 Everybody gets high fives. 1800 01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:19.920 Yeah, he gives it. Do you all give each other 1801 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:23.520 like the smile of a p Yeah. And then we 1802 01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:27.640 cut back to the matrix and uh, evil Chloe is 1803 01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:31.359 there waiting to stop them from jumping off the roof. 1804 01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:33.880 And then and then she's like, start cycle analyzing Clark, 1805 01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:35.760 like we've studied you, and you're never going to jump 1806 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:39.159 off this roof, right okay. 1807 01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:41.479 Which is weird because in reality he would just jump 1808 01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:43.079 off the roof because he would be fine. 1809 01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:45.520 Now he is afraid of heights. I guess there is that, 1810 01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:48.680 but like he's indestructible, so. 1811 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:50.800 Right, like he knows he'll land. 1812 01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:53.520 Like they I don't know. The cycle analyzation is like 1813 01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:55.920 you want to believe so bad everything you hear and 1814 01:22:56.000 --> 01:23:00.279 see and feel. I was like, I guess, I don't know. 1815 01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:04.520 I don't feel like that's really common so far. Yeah, 1816 01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:07.399 Like I don't understand, but this is really like we 1817 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:10.279 know we were in the matrix right like as far 1818 01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:11.920 as like we know, this episode has ripped off the 1819 01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:15.279 Matrix that is the movie. But in case you really 1820 01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:20.199 didn't know, right, we gotta have Chloe duplicate herself surround 1821 01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:22.119 Clark and Lois, so he has to do the neo 1822 01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:26.039 thing where he crouches down reality warps and then he 1823 01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:29.880 flies up. Yep, that's the Matrix reloaded. Like, I don't 1824 01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:32.239 what was it? That has to be the only reason 1825 01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:33.760 we have all these chloees, right. 1826 01:23:34.640 --> 01:23:38.159 Yeah, I mean they're just sort of like finishing the 1827 01:23:38.199 --> 01:23:41.319 Matrix parody, right, like or the homage. 1828 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:42.720 In case you didn't get it before. 1829 01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:45.039 In case you didn't understand it before, they didn't, you know, 1830 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:47.359 use the words mister Anderson, but you know. 1831 01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:50.479 It is inevitable, mister can't. 1832 01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:50.960 Yeah. 1833 01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:54.239 So she's like, Lois is like, trust yourself. He trusted 1834 01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:56.159 me when you told me your secret. So this is 1835 01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:58.159 this is kind of I think this is their way 1836 01:23:58.199 --> 01:23:59.880 of like Lois is the key to making him fly 1837 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:02.319 that kind of thing, which I agree with, which which 1838 01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:04.840 saw a homecoming when you started to float, and I 1839 01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:06.399 always kind of wish that would be the thing of 1840 01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:08.880 the series, like oh no, she's up in their force one. 1841 01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:12.840 You better go right now, instead of like, oh thanks 1842 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:14.880 Jarelle for showing me everything I did over the past 1843 01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:16.760 ten years. I'm gonna fly through dark Side and now 1844 01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:18.079 I can fly. I'm like, oh, we that. 1845 01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:22.880 It doesn't come from necessity. It's just sort of like, yeah, 1846 01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:26.680 you've earned it, yeah, which which which works, but it 1847 01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:31.319 doesn't work, but it doesn't like continue sort of the 1848 01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:32.800 themes were giving. 1849 01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:37.359 Yeah, yeah, because you know what for all matrix bs aside, 1850 01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:39.720 it is nice to see Clark and Lowis flying around 1851 01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:42.399 the Daily Planet. Yeah, the little did we know we 1852 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:44.239 were never going to see Superman and Lowe's fly around 1853 01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:44.600 on this show. 1854 01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:46.960 The one time this was it. 1855 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:47.960 I hope you enjoyed it. 1856 01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:49.039 This is all you got. 1857 01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:49.920 It looks good. 1858 01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:53.600 I think I agree. I think it looks pretty. I 1859 01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:55.439 mean I enjoyed it the first time. I enjoyed it. 1860 01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:58.640 Again it was it's nice, and I mean, it's unfortunate 1861 01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:00.319 that it's the only time I get to see it. 1862 01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:02.479 But you know, but for them to have a nice 1863 01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:04.439 moment together and they smiling at each other, like just 1864 01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:08.279 taking it in, like slowing down and enjoying that like that, 1865 01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:11.199 that's something the show doesn't often do. So I applied 1866 01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:12.720 it for that, Like if there's something to take away 1867 01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:13.920 positive from this episode. 1868 01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:16.680 It took a moment, it gave it a moment. It 1869 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:18.560 gave us some time, it gave us some breathing room. 1870 01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:20.319 It's like the one thing that it gave that and 1871 01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:21.640 it's it was a good thing to do. 1872 01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:25.079 Yeah, and then they just fly full speed down onto 1873 01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:26.479 that portal and. 1874 01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:30.079 Boom, we're back, and we got the commercial that we're. 1875 01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:32.720 Back on the Kid Farm. I'm like, whoa wait a minute. 1876 01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:36.560 I guess Clark woke up and like kicked that guy's 1877 01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:40.119 ass off the computer. And yeah, and maybe he released 1878 01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:41.680 the rest of the Justice League, if they were there 1879 01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:43.159 or not. It's all very not clear. 1880 01:25:43.319 --> 01:25:44.319 It's all very unclear. 1881 01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:47.079 Yeah, all very unclear. But then we get to we 1882 01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:48.960 get a scene with Chloe and Clark here and she's 1883 01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:53.159 looking at Chloe's holding the season one candid photo of Chloe, 1884 01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:56.560 Pete and Clark, and then also a production photo or 1885 01:25:56.600 --> 01:26:00.000 screencap from Homecoming of Lolis and Clark as the home 1886 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.880 Coming King and Queen. It's funny nobody says the name Pete, 1887 01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:04.760 but I'm glad we at least see his pictures and 1888 01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:06.319 stuff around this season, so. 1889 01:26:06.399 --> 01:26:08.920 It's you know, it's the last season they knew it, 1890 01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:12.439 you know, it's you gotta do the the look back, right. 1891 01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:15.000 Yeah, And then this is where they kind of have 1892 01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:18.720 their discussion about, Hey, I didn't trust you because I 1893 01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:20.840 missed you and you didn't talk to me and we've 1894 01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:23.479 how did you trust me before? And I don't know, 1895 01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:25.039 Like I guess I never felt like this is a 1896 01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:26.800 conversation these characters needed to. 1897 01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:30.600 Have, right. I feel like they they sort of buried 1898 01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:32.640 all of that after Chloe found out his secret and 1899 01:26:32.680 --> 01:26:34.760 didn't say anything for like six months. 1900 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:40.479 Yeah, I'm like, that's that's ancient buried drama, right. She 1901 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:42.359 also says I can't believe it's been five years already. 1902 01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:45.880 I'm like five years since what, like you graduated high school? 1903 01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:49.000 Like since season five? Like what do he like you 1904 01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:51.560 should say? I can't believe we've been friends for eleven 1905 01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:53.159 years now, Clark or something, And that would have been 1906 01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:53.720 more right. 1907 01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:54.039 Yeah. 1908 01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:57.039 Yeah, But she's been the one living in her own 1909 01:26:57.119 --> 01:27:00.600 virtual world, hasn't She can disconnect it from everyone the Arty, 1910 01:27:01.119 --> 01:27:03.279 she broke everyone free from the matrix, But she's been 1911 01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:05.279 in a matrix of her own design since she left. 1912 01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:06.800 So Okay, it's been trapped. 1913 01:27:07.239 --> 01:27:09.039 Half the credit goes to the doctor Fate helmet by 1914 01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:11.520 the way, because it's it told her something bad. 1915 01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:13.359 It warned her of many things. 1916 01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:17.920 Yeah, Clark questions her using the suicide Squad. Yeah, and 1917 01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:22.239 then every Frankenstein has a human heart. I guess they're 1918 01:27:22.359 --> 01:27:25.840 they're all monsters. Is that your Is that her point 1919 01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:27.439 about the suicide Squad? 1920 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:32.119 I don't know, Like it's it's such a nonsensical point, 1921 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:35.479 like it's it doesn't make sense as a comment in 1922 01:27:35.560 --> 01:27:39.399 my mind unless you think of like them being created 1923 01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:44.439 out of blah blah blah, like like the the remnants 1924 01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:47.640 of Checkmate they've risen from the Yeah, I don't know, 1925 01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:49.399 I'm just reaching at this point. 1926 01:27:50.239 --> 01:27:52.760 But she she wrote a computer programming thing that turned 1927 01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:56.399 off all of his whatever his terrorist activities were. 1928 01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:57.840 And she's killed my uncle. 1929 01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:01.520 Yeah. Well yeah, true right. She could either report them 1930 01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:04.039 to the government or they could report to her. So 1931 01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:05.760 do they still report to her? I mean, we never 1932 01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:06.720 see them again. 1933 01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:10.600 We do not unclear unclear, unclear. 1934 01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:13.600 But then they transition to that trust conversation, and then 1935 01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:17.039 you know, then they hey, everything's good. 1936 01:28:16.840 --> 01:28:18.960 We're cool, it's fine. We have a few more episodes 1937 01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:22.560 with you. So it's cool. Also, we have an important question. 1938 01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:28.199 Yeah, exactly. So Lois shows up. Oh sorry, guys, I'm 1939 01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:30.520 stuck in traffic now that I'm not in the matrix. Aha, 1940 01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:32.800 But Chloe, you have an important question for you? Will 1941 01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:34.920 you be made of honor? Was like, oh, yeah, you 1942 01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:40.039 know now this You know on TV shows, when people 1943 01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:42.680 get married, they got to have they've got to fill 1944 01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:44.199 out their wedding party, got to have a best man 1945 01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:47.840 of made on her. You look around whatever characters are around, right, 1946 01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:49.680 and that's your that's your best. 1947 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:51.319 Man, right, And sometimes it doesn't make sense. 1948 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:54.359 In this case, it makes sense, all right, Yeah, because 1949 01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:58.159 they've been their cousins, they've been friends for years, Oliver 1950 01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:01.800 being Clark's best man. I think rewatching the show, I'm like, okay, 1951 01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:04.800 that they've been through so much together, like yeah, profecially 1952 01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:07.880 last three years. That that tracks so that that that is, 1953 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:10.600 that's that same energy of oh, who's the other guy 1954 01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:12.119 on the show? Right? 1955 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:14.439 Yeah, basically it's who's the other guy on the show? 1956 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:18.000 But but they have Yeah I buy it too. Yeah, 1957 01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:20.359 we have two more codas to get through. 1958 01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:26.000 Yeah, but then uh, we cut to the watchtower and 1959 01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:28.880 Oliver has a big bouquet and and Chloe. Were they 1960 01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:30.319 meeting here for a date or something. 1961 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:32.239 They must have been because she's dressed up. 1962 01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:39.640 Yeah, and they kind of resolve there whatever lingering problems. Yeah, 1963 01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:41.720 so you ship them, huh? 1964 01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:44.560 I do? Honestly, I do. It works for me. I don't. 1965 01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:46.680 I don't. I think it works for me in part 1966 01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:48.760 because I didn't read the comments before I watched the show, 1967 01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:51.000 so I had no reason to be annoyed at any 1968 01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:53.720 part of it. But I do I ship them. I 1969 01:29:53.720 --> 01:29:56.000 I don't know if I shipped them until the point 1970 01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:59.159 where the show started shipping them and I was like, oh, 1971 01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:01.399 this actually worked for me. I kind of like the 1972 01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:04.760 two broken people finding each other thing they are bad 1973 01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:07.199 for each other. I think if I'd watched the show 1974 01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:09.359 now as a thirty five year old adult and not 1975 01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:14.439 as a twenty two year old college student, that I 1976 01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:17.960 might feel differently about their relationship because it's not healthy necessarily. 1977 01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:21.279 But it did work for me a lot. 1978 01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:23.199 I mean, at the time, I was just happy that 1979 01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:25.000 Chloe was gonna get a happy ending because they had 1980 01:30:25.039 --> 01:30:27.640 teased death and insanity and all these horrible things for her. 1981 01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:29.279 I'm like, Okay, well she ended up with Green Narrow 1982 01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:31.720 and that's there's no Batman in this universe and he's 1983 01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:34.159 a second mess hero and so great, that's good for 1984 01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:36.279 you to get Superman much you got Batman equivalent. 1985 01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:39.760 They end up with some like domestic life, and then 1986 01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:42.199 you get the comic books, which has more of their 1987 01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:43.079 domestic life. 1988 01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:45.600 But Rewatching, I'm like, I don't like taller, more of 1989 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:47.760 a tests even like Colvere with blowests, like I don't. 1990 01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:50.039 There's just something more there between those. 1991 01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:53.760 Yeah, there's there's definitely more there there with those those characters. 1992 01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:56.680 They just spend more time I think establishing their relationship 1993 01:30:56.720 --> 01:31:01.720 as like people who respect each other but also like 1994 01:31:02.439 --> 01:31:04.319 quip off each other and like they have these little 1995 01:31:04.960 --> 01:31:07.880 It's like the flirtation is different with Oliver and Chloe. 1996 01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:11.560 It's a lot darker. Yeah, Like the flirtation is a 1997 01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:15.600 lot darker, which isn't necessarily bad, but it's like I said, 1998 01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:18.880 it's not necessarily healthy either. So it works for me. 1999 01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:22.960 I wish it didn't. Sometimes I much prefer like Lewis 2000 01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:25.840 and Clark. Oh yeah, of course, yeah, Like I like 2001 01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:30.239 much prefer that, But you know, I don't know why 2002 01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:31.159 it works for me. It just does. 2003 01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:34.319 No fair enough. So Oliver, He's like, hey, you coulda 2004 01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:36.520 like called, And Chloe's like, oh, I wanted to be 2005 01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:38.479 with the fate helmet. It told me to stay with 2006 01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:41.399 that sounds like it will be a excuse. It really is, 2007 01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:43.399 doctor fight helmet. 2008 01:31:43.119 --> 01:31:45.560 Doctor Faith's helmet just told me that I had to 2009 01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:48.960 stay away. And also things were happening and all this 2010 01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:51.319 other stuff and it didn't drive me nuts, which is 2011 01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:53.319 really remarkable, and I was able to take it off. 2012 01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:56.159 Yeah, no, Oliver, I do like his responses. He's like, yeah, 2013 01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:58.439 did it say anything about me? Like, shouldn't all be depressed? 2014 01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:00.319 Look looking for your face on this way? 2015 01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:02.680 I'm like, oh, he kind of. 2016 01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:05.199 Yeah, No, I like that. In an episode where I 2017 01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:07.720 was like cringing in a lot of the style, I 2018 01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:09.920 like this. And Justine Hartley's pulling it off too. He 2019 01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:13.159 is hoping I'd come across her smile but never find it. 2020 01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:14.720 I'm like, okay, all right, that's nice. 2021 01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:17.640 Right, Oh they love each other, that's kinda they're gonna 2022 01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:18.960 be okay, they're. 2023 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:22.119 Gonna be fine, and other things will happen in between. 2024 01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:24.960 But and yeah, that's true. She you know, she'd reach 2025 01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:28.119 out because she didn't think she could trust herself. Mm hm, 2026 01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:29.640 that's that's cute. That's cute. 2027 01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:32.000 Right, it works. I don't know why it works, it 2028 01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:32.600 just does. 2029 01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:39.199 So they reconcile, and then we cut back to the 2030 01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:43.119 Kin Farm and Clark is going through Carter Hall's journal. 2031 01:32:43.159 --> 01:32:46.760 This is a new journal, and also Lois is planning 2032 01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:48.640 the wedding in secret. 2033 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:52.159 Well, I guess she wanted to pick up the dresses, the. 2034 01:32:52.199 --> 01:32:55.359 Bridesmaid dresses and the flowers. Which, sure, those can be 2035 01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:57.880 like your decisions. But why is it like Clark means 2036 01:32:57.920 --> 01:32:58.520 to be in the bar. 2037 01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:03.000 Why don't you come out there? I'm gonna write, Yeah, 2038 01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:04.680 it's not like a wedding dress is being a secret 2039 01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:07.159 or anything. It's like, yeah, you can be you should 2040 01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:09.239 actually be part of those decisions, actually. 2041 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:10.720 Right, Like the only thing you shouldn't be involved in 2042 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:13.079 is the dress, like the wedding dress. 2043 01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:17.239 Yeah, no, I agree. And by the way, Clark is 2044 01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:20.159 wearing his red shirt with a blue jacket, and I've 2045 01:33:20.199 --> 01:33:22.800 noticed that this costume has popped up a little bit. Still, 2046 01:33:22.920 --> 01:33:24.159 I don't have a counter for that or anything, and 2047 01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:26.800 I'm not going to have one, don't worry. But they've 2048 01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:29.520 wisely one hundred percent phased out the blue shirt, red jacket. 2049 01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:32.960 Yeah, they're moving toward the Superman, right, but they're. 2050 01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:34.520 Like, well he can wear this quote unquote bizarre look 2051 01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:36.680 at an outfit, right Still, So anyway, it's just fun 2052 01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:38.880 to see him with that still. But yeah, this is 2053 01:33:38.920 --> 01:33:40.680 a scene with Lewis and quite it's cute. She comes 2054 01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:42.680 up behind him and covers his eyes up right, and 2055 01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:45.039 he's been reading this Hawkman journal. He's like, yeah, I'm 2056 01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:46.279 thinking a lot about him. I didn't know this was 2057 01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:47.720 I was like, this is the Veritas Journal with their 2058 01:33:47.720 --> 01:33:51.279 Hawkman stuff in there, but no, it's just another another journal. 2059 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:53.840 The thing where he's like, I've been thinking a lot 2060 01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:58.560 about him lately. I'm like, he just died. Yeah, like 2061 01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:01.039 just died. I would I hope you're thinking a lot 2062 01:34:01.079 --> 01:34:02.039 about him recently. 2063 01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:04.039 Yeah, I don't know why. I'm just really on the 2064 01:34:04.039 --> 01:34:06.439 thoughts of my friend who I just saw murdered by death. 2065 01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:07.479 I'm just buried. 2066 01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:11.199 But you know, they you know, they talk about love 2067 01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:14.439 and trust and all that, and how she inspired him 2068 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:16.880 to fly and she really enjoyed it, and she's like, well, 2069 01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:18.560 who knows, maybe we'll get to fly in the real 2070 01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:21.560 world one day. Maybe we won't see it. 2071 01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:24.520 We won't see it, but maybe one day they will. 2072 01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:27.760 And this doesn't bother me because like he knows, he 2073 01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:31.079 should be able to fly. Yeah, so it's not that 2074 01:34:31.119 --> 01:34:34.600 for a while, right, it's not some weird Superman reference 2075 01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:37.199 thing that it would bother me because like Lois even says, 2076 01:34:37.239 --> 01:34:39.359 I can't leap tall traffic in a single bound earlier, 2077 01:34:39.479 --> 01:34:42.800 that kind of stuff infuriates me. Yeah, no one would 2078 01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:46.199 say that because that phrase doesn't exist unless Warrior Ranger 2079 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:48.920 had a TV show and it said leaps all buildings 2080 01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:50.560 in a single But that's what that's what it would 2081 01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:53.199 have made it. Okay, if we saw a Warrior Rangel 2082 01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:56.920 cartoon with all the Superman phrases in that, yeah, that 2083 01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:57.560 would have made. 2084 01:34:57.399 --> 01:34:58.960 It more powerful than a locomotive. 2085 01:34:59.079 --> 01:35:02.319 Yeah yeah, maybe to step there. Yeah, but uh no, 2086 01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:05.399 Clark and Close have a beautiful kiss, and she says, oh, 2087 01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:07.199 speaking of the real world, I have a conference called 2088 01:35:07.279 --> 01:35:09.520 Perry at seven. Keeping Perry White in the show. 2089 01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:10.720 And keeping Perry White in the show. 2090 01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:13.000 Love those references because surely they'll get him back for 2091 01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:15.199 the series finale. I mean, he's married to an ed O'Toole. 2092 01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:16.319 It would be silly. 2093 01:35:16.319 --> 01:35:18.279 If we didn't, surely they'll have him in the next 2094 01:35:18.279 --> 01:35:19.159 episode that she's in. 2095 01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:23.239 Of course, why wouldn't you. It just makes sense. Yes, 2096 01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:25.840 I'm very happy we got at least his voice cameo 2097 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:26.600 with the series finale. 2098 01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:27.399 Yeah, we tell you. 2099 01:35:27.840 --> 01:35:31.000 But when you cast an actor who's married to one 2100 01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:33.560 of your main customers for years, who herself comes back 2101 01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:36.960 for several episodes, not gonna lie kind of disappointed. He 2102 01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:39.039 didn't come back at all in season ten. I mean 2103 01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:40.840 he was in season nine, so thank you for that. 2104 01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:43.520 But I'm like, two episodes and a voiceover is all 2105 01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:43.960 we got. 2106 01:35:44.479 --> 01:35:47.720 Yeah, just say we get he's just too good for this, 2107 01:35:48.079 --> 01:35:48.800 you know, small. 2108 01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:50.439 Little you know, it's really good about like finding the 2109 01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:52.880 right beat to end an episode on you know, like 2110 01:35:52.960 --> 01:35:55.600 either it's like this w B and a emotional with 2111 01:35:55.640 --> 01:35:59.199 a song or like a X Files like mystery kind 2112 01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:02.359 of thing, like a stre this episode just. 2113 01:36:02.439 --> 01:36:07.000 Ends, it does And it's like my one criticism. I 2114 01:36:07.039 --> 01:36:09.880 have many Christians, but my one of my criticisms of 2115 01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:11.359 the show one of the ones that always pops up 2116 01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:14.520 and I'm rewatching something and I forget how many codas 2117 01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:16.279 they have at the end of episodes. It's like they 2118 01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:18.359 find the right thing to end it on, but they 2119 01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:22.119 have to have like four endings first and then to 2120 01:36:22.119 --> 01:36:22.960 find the right one. 2121 01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:26.640 Day and they shuffle them around, right, because yeah, Like, honestly, 2122 01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:28.920 I would have maybe ended this and maybe they thought 2123 01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:32.199 about this ending it with the all over Chloe scene, 2124 01:36:32.199 --> 01:36:35.119 because if this is Chloe's comeback episode, Yeah, you have 2125 01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:37.840 this nice wide shot of them kissing the watch tower, right, 2126 01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:39.720 I'm like that, Yeah to me, that seems more like 2127 01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:41.319 an ending shot than like Clark's sitting or at the 2128 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:45.079 bar and be like huh yeah, in the close up 2129 01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:45.520 of him. 2130 01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:50.199 You could have sucked the two Smallville scenes together somehow 2131 01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:52.760 and had like Chloe leave and then their Lois is like, 2132 01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:54.239 so I finished these things. 2133 01:36:54.239 --> 01:37:01.119 Right, Yeah? Yeah, Well well that's only episode ends. 2134 01:37:01.520 --> 01:37:05.399 That's how the episode ends. You're an American hero. 2135 01:37:07.159 --> 01:37:09.520 You're my flesh and blood, my only son. 2136 01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:13.039 They struck me at my weapons, passed my equilivering there 2137 01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:13.600 inside my head. 2138 01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:18.239 Now someone was performing experiments on me. They took away 2139 01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:18.800 my powers. 2140 01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:19.159 Loss. 2141 01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:23.600 Smallville returns Friday, January twenty eight at eight seventh Central. 2142 01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:33.479 In the year two thousand and one, the World's Greatest 2143 01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:36.039 Hero took his first steps honored and. 2144 01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:39.720 Welcome home, my son. One joy, A new judge is 2145 01:37:39.720 --> 01:37:40.680 about to begin. 2146 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:44.159 In an epic television series that would be defined an 2147 01:37:44.199 --> 01:37:49.000 American icon. Over ten years, he found a family. 2148 01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:50.520 Thanks for always believing in me. 2149 01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:53.079 You're welcome, sirn his first love. 2150 01:37:53.319 --> 01:37:54.840 I've waited for this for so long. 2151 01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:57.279 A way to fill in Lois. 2152 01:37:57.439 --> 01:37:59.600 You're looking at the newest recruits in the daily planet 2153 01:38:00.159 --> 01:38:01.960 and a place where he belonged. 2154 01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:03.159 What are you trying to tell me that? 2155 01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:03.560 Then? 2156 01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:04.439 From another planet? 2157 01:38:04.600 --> 01:38:06.600 Suppose you stashed my spaceship in the attic. 2158 01:38:06.680 --> 01:38:11.359 Actually it's in the storm celling. Now he will defend 2159 01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:13.279 the only home he's ever known. 2160 01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:15.720 Luther's building an army and starting a war. 2161 01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:21.920 You can't let that happen. And everything he's loved. Whatever 2162 01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:25.600 you are watching, are you against the forces that destroyed 2163 01:38:25.640 --> 01:38:30.920 his home world? These small you gotta have faith. 2164 01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:34.279 I do witness an event for ten years in the making. 2165 01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:38.000 One man will become the hero. 2166 01:38:38.439 --> 01:38:40.960 I've come this far and I'm not looking back. He 2167 01:38:41.159 --> 01:38:48.479 was meant to be small. 2168 01:38:48.920 --> 01:38:52.520 Season from Your Friday, September twenty fourth on the cw elnt. 2169 01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:04.199 What up. 2170 01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:23.000 A very street Inchanti boo? They said he wanted. 2171 01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:31.880 Very So what are you? Oh? 2172 01:39:35.720 --> 01:39:39.600 And what if my soulmate comes along and I'm too 2173 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:40.279 blind to see it? 2174 01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:45.159 Just follow your heart and you'll always do the right thing. 2175 01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:49.520 Oh bad, past line? 2176 01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:51.319 What needs your quack? 2177 01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:52.800 What about what we need? 2178 01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:53.880 Man need? 2179 01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:56.359 Sad? 2180 01:39:58.199 --> 01:39:59.520 Sweet set? 2181 01:40:00.119 --> 01:40:00.560 Who are you? 2182 01:40:01.039 --> 01:40:01.439 Glois? 2183 01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:04.840 Lois Lie? Great? Piss? 2184 01:40:09.039 --> 01:40:18.880 Hello, It's just swim. 2185 01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:31.479 You're more than just a hero. You're a superhero. 2186 01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:41.479 Give me a nerd with glasses any day of the week. 2187 01:40:51.439 --> 01:40:55.159 Whatsome, Something dark is coming. 2188 01:40:55.319 --> 01:40:57.960 You're gonna be tested like you have never been tested before. 2189 01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:05.079 Street right, I know. 2190 01:41:05.159 --> 01:41:08.680 My destiny of Small fill season premiere of next Friday 2191 01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:09.760 at eight seventh Central. 2192 01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:16.920 This is where it's all been leading you become. That's 2193 01:41:17.199 --> 01:41:20.359 great to say it. More than two hours of special features. 2194 01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:22.119 The final season of Small till. 2195 01:41:22.079 --> 01:41:24.399 On Blu Ray and DVD November twenty ninth, and on 2196 01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:26.760 the Complete series collection on DVD. 2197 01:41:28.399 --> 01:41:32.680 Collateral got a seven point seven out of ten on IMDb, 2198 01:41:33.079 --> 01:41:35.520 and Douglas Trumble from the Superman Homepage gave it a 2199 01:41:35.680 --> 01:41:42.000 four out of five. Really yeah so on the letter 2200 01:41:42.039 --> 01:41:47.199 grade scale, trisom, what would you give this episode? C? 2201 01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:48.319 Minus? 2202 01:41:49.279 --> 01:41:51.279 Okay? Good, It's not great good. 2203 01:41:51.319 --> 01:41:53.960 It's not great, there's some good moments. It brings Choe back, 2204 01:41:54.399 --> 01:41:54.800 that's it. 2205 01:41:56.239 --> 01:41:59.159 I'm glad you said C minus because you clearly liked 2206 01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:02.279 it more than me. Yes, so that makes me feel 2207 01:42:02.319 --> 01:42:07.359 a lot more confident in saying D plus. Okay, is 2208 01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:09.399 that harsh? I don't know. I don't think so. Since 2209 01:42:09.439 --> 01:42:11.479 you gave it that score, I feel better about my score. 2210 01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:14.800 Even in the episodes of this season that are basically 2211 01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:16.720 just ripped off of movies, this is the weakest one. 2212 01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:19.800 There's a way to do it, Okay, like the best one, 2213 01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:23.399 Mercy in season five, they ripped off Saw, like that 2214 01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:27.239 is Saw, but that's a great episode. It is, Yeah, like, 2215 01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:32.079 there's a way to do it where it's not like, I. 2216 01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:34.760 Mean, even the Hangover episode is more fun, you know, yeah. 2217 01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:36.800 At least there's that, But this it's it's there's so 2218 01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:40.239 much you know, technical babble, nonsense, and it's and honestly, 2219 01:42:40.359 --> 01:42:43.520 it's the lack of paying off this this huge cliffhanger 2220 01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:45.640 they gave us. Yeah, of like the Justice League is 2221 01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:48.800 knocked out and they're like, I guess we're to assume 2222 01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:51.159 they're all in other tubes and then they all got released, 2223 01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:54.760 and I'm like, yeah, they didn't properly clean that up. Like, 2224 01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:57.359 oh yeah, well, those VR people are gonna be in trouble. 2225 01:42:57.439 --> 01:42:59.520 Don't worry. They're not gonna give away your identity. I'm like, 2226 01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:04.319 that's how okay, Yeah, sure they should know everyone's identity 2227 01:43:04.359 --> 01:43:06.800 now because they changed their clothes and put them in 2228 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:11.720 a tube. So the combination of like the the lame 2229 01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:14.640 movie plaza an episode, plus just the lack of payoff 2230 01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:18.119 and just the overstuffness of everything, it's it's it's one 2231 01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:22.520 of the weaker episodes of the showy unfortunately. So C 2232 01:43:22.680 --> 01:43:25.920 minus for you, D plus for me. Let's go to 2233 01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:29.600 the tally board. Yes, characters said they couldn't remember stuff, 2234 01:43:30.159 --> 01:43:32.640 but it's all in cyber space, so that doesn't count. 2235 01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:33.680 It does not. 2236 01:43:34.119 --> 01:43:37.600 Oliver's hospital visit didn't count either. It doesn't happen. Didn't happen. 2237 01:43:38.199 --> 01:43:40.960 So really, all we're left with is a movie plot 2238 01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:47.239 as an episode that's a plus one, which, obviously, thank you, 2239 01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:54.279 that's gonna bring us to twenty three. And that's the 2240 01:43:54.319 --> 01:43:56.920 thing though, right, It's like there are like total recall. 2241 01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:00.640 There's other movies where you're in something else, but like 2242 01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:04.760 when the way this was presented, especially the yeah it's 2243 01:44:04.760 --> 01:44:06.359 the matrix. It's the matrix. 2244 01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:10.079 So they they stop like trying to disguise it this season. 2245 01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:12.680 Oh yeah, yeah, there's no like, oh, what do we 2246 01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:15.039 have like a whole whole bunch of Chloe surround him 2247 01:44:15.039 --> 01:44:17.479 and he has to fly off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's 2248 01:44:17.520 --> 01:44:20.880 that's the matrix. Bechtel tests passed, though it does. 2249 01:44:20.960 --> 01:44:23.039 It does pass the Bechdel test barely, but it does. 2250 01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:25.840 Yeah. Well, you know black Canary and Chloe fighting for sure. 2251 01:44:26.359 --> 01:44:28.239 Yeah, there you have it. 2252 01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:32.880 That is collateral and that is small Villa Trigian, thank 2253 01:44:32.920 --> 01:44:34.560 you so much for being on the episode. 2254 01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:38.159 Of course, happy too, even the bad ones. You know, 2255 01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:39.479 I like the bad ones. They're fun. 2256 01:44:40.359 --> 01:44:43.640 I'm glad that you brought that that oracle Chloe theory 2257 01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:43.920 to it. 2258 01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:45.279 That's what I needed to do. 2259 01:44:45.439 --> 01:44:47.239 I learned. I learned a lot about Commed. That's why 2260 01:44:47.239 --> 01:44:49.039 I love having guests on that. No stuff I don't like. 2261 01:44:49.119 --> 01:44:51.920 I learned a lot about that that oracle common becustory 2262 01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:54.600 with the suicide Squad. To me, it makes more exciense 2263 01:44:54.640 --> 01:44:56.720 on how why they conflated the suicide squad with Chloe, 2264 01:44:56.760 --> 01:44:57.399 because I mean. 2265 01:44:57.239 --> 01:45:01.000 It's still it was still unnecessary, but like as a 2266 01:45:01.039 --> 01:45:02.399 comic fan, I like that they did it. 2267 01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:05.720 Yeah, and we're we're never gonna see them again. They 2268 01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:08.039 are the worst suicide Squad, right, they. 2269 01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:09.720 Are absolutely the worst suicide squad. 2270 01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:12.520 And I look, I think Suicide Squad the first one 2271 01:45:13.600 --> 01:45:17.720 is an awful film, but those characters are better than 2272 01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:18.640 these characters. 2273 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:21.720 The character is better than and it like it gives you. 2274 01:45:22.359 --> 01:45:25.720 It does it twice for no reason, but it gives 2275 01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:29.520 you the actual like setup of what the suicide Squad is. Yeah, 2276 01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:32.880 even if it's bad, like it's very very bad, but 2277 01:45:33.079 --> 01:45:35.359 this version of the suicide Squad is much. 2278 01:45:35.119 --> 01:45:40.079 Worse, and it's just unfortunate. I'm tired of saying this 2279 01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:43.039 is the worst version of this character. Here soon. I 2280 01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:44.600 feel like I'm gonna do it a lot lately. But 2281 01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:47.680 that's where we are. So but hey, always a pleasure 2282 01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:50.399 talking small, always with you. If people don't find you 2283 01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:52.239 in your work out there, where can they find you? 2284 01:45:52.760 --> 01:45:55.359 They can find me on most of the social Media's 2285 01:45:55.800 --> 01:45:58.720 not so much on X these days, but certainly on Instagram, 2286 01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:04.720 Blue Sky, those places at Trishanness everywhere you can find. 2287 01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:08.319 Me, and of course on always hold on to DC's 2288 01:46:08.399 --> 01:46:09.720 Legends of Tomorrow. 2289 01:46:09.640 --> 01:46:12.319 The podcast with the shortest possible name, also known as 2290 01:46:12.359 --> 01:46:15.399 ahat Theklat when we're having a good time. We've been 2291 01:46:15.439 --> 01:46:17.039 on a little bit of a hiatus right now, lots 2292 01:46:17.079 --> 01:46:19.039 of life stuff getting in the way, but we have 2293 01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:22.159 a bunch of episodes. They're very fun. We jump around 2294 01:46:22.199 --> 01:46:24.960 in time, as do the Legends, so we we have 2295 01:46:25.079 --> 01:46:25.840 a good time with that. 2296 01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:29.079 Honestly, did you guys ever do a Matrix episode? 2297 01:46:29.920 --> 01:46:32.000 We did not do a Matrix episode, but we did 2298 01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:36.920 do the the episode in which they're stuck in Ava's 2299 01:46:36.920 --> 01:46:39.760 purgatory and it's very gay and I made my fiance 2300 01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:40.600 beyond that, there you go. 2301 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:43.159 I love the Star Trek episode or the TV episode 2302 01:46:43.199 --> 01:46:43.479 as well. 2303 01:46:43.680 --> 01:46:46.039 Oh yeah, that that's one of Matt's favorites too, so 2304 01:46:46.079 --> 01:46:47.840 we did that one, I think for one of his Bengos. 2305 01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:48.359 Yeah. 2306 01:46:48.520 --> 01:46:50.359 There are ways to do it, right, There are ways 2307 01:46:50.359 --> 01:46:50.680 to do it. 2308 01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:53.880 There are If you want wacky, fun superhero, you go 2309 01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:58.000 over TOC's legs tomorrow. Yeah alrighty well, that's gonna do 2310 01:46:58.000 --> 01:46:59.760 it for our conversation this time, but we'll be back 2311 01:46:59.800 --> 01:47:04.800 next time talking about Beacon. But until then, always hold 2312 01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:30.000 on to Smallville. 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