Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray w Bezst's Radio.
Speaker 2: There's a story that most of you probably have not
Speaker 2: heard of to date. The reason you have not heard
Speaker 2: of it is that the Boston Globe, Peter Abraham broke
Speaker 2: this story this morning. There's also a story from the
Speaker 2: Boston Herald, and it's a frightening story. It is a
Speaker 2: frightening story for all of us who are sports fans
Speaker 2: and for all of us who frankly are just human beings.
Speaker 2: I guess would be the best way to describe it.
Speaker 3: This This is a story about Jared Duran. He's the
Speaker 3: Red Sox center fielder. On most days play center field
Speaker 3: on left field.
Speaker 2: There was a there's a Netflix dot documentary that apparently
Speaker 2: is going to be available later this week. It's not
Speaker 2: available up until now, and it basically follows the Red
Speaker 2: Sox during the nineteen twenty four baseball season and it's
Speaker 2: entitled The Clubhouse. A Year with the Red Sox. So
Speaker 2: this this details a story that you know, all in all,
Speaker 2: it's a Netflix documentary, all in all, would be a
Speaker 2: fairly normal sports story about a team that you know,
Speaker 2: didn't have the greatest season. They had really a five
Speaker 2: hundred season, they were eighty one and eighty one. They're
Speaker 2: doing a little better this year, though they're losing tonight
Speaker 2: in a cold, damp Fenway Park. And the story which
Speaker 2: came out early this morning with Peter Abraham, who's been
Speaker 2: a guest on this show before, talked about how I
Speaker 2: quote a little bit from this story that Red Sox
Speaker 2: outfielder Jaron Duran, he's an All Star last year, attempted
Speaker 2: to take his own life during the twenty twenty two season.
Speaker 2: For those of you who are Red Sox fans, you
Speaker 2: might remember that he came up in twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: and he came up with great expectations, many of which
Speaker 2: he's now fulfilled. But as he was coming up, he wasn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't have the success at the big league level
Speaker 2: that he had had in the minor leagues. And as
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, there was one game that I remember,
Speaker 2: and I believe it's referenced in the article, that he's
Speaker 2: playing center field and ball has hit over his head
Speaker 2: and he just stands there. And he explained later that
Speaker 2: you know, he never he lost sight of the ball,
Speaker 2: which you know, for a major league outfielder is unthinkable,
Speaker 2: and so in the fourth episode, Peter Abraham writs in
Speaker 2: the Globe and you'll see his article tomorrow of the Clubhouse.
Speaker 2: A year with the Red Sox. This is sort of
Speaker 2: like what they did with the NFL teams, you know,
Speaker 2: they it's all they're just doing these these programs which
Speaker 2: are interesting. In the NFL, they call it hard Knocks,
Speaker 2: and they every year will cover one or two teams
Speaker 2: in their training camp from you know, late July until
Speaker 2: the first game of the year. But they covered the
Speaker 2: Red Sox for the entire season last year. And it's
Speaker 2: it's in the fourth episode. I don't know how many
Speaker 2: episodes there are. The episode focused on errors and other
Speaker 2: mistakes made by duran in twenty twenty two. Now at
Speaker 2: this point he's a major league ballplayer, and you know
Speaker 2: he's he's he's struggling with his success or in some cases,
Speaker 2: I guess lack thereof. And Durana's Quota is saying it
Speaker 2: honestly felt like a dark cloud over me because it's
Speaker 2: so easy to look past the positive things for me
Speaker 2: and to grab onto the negative things. I would think
Speaker 2: every day, I can't explative delete it, do this. I
Speaker 2: couldn't deal with telling myself how much I I, you know,
Speaker 2: explative deleted every day, Like I was already hearing it
Speaker 2: from the Fians, Like what did they say to me?
Speaker 2: It's like I haven't told myself ten times worse than
Speaker 2: that in the mirror. So this is a guy who's
Speaker 2: tough on himself. That was like a really tough time
Speaker 2: for me. It was a pretty low time for me.
Speaker 2: I didn't even want to be here anymore again, according
Speaker 2: to the Peter Abraham piece in the Globe, and they
Speaker 2: had been shown I guess some of the Globe reporters
Speaker 2: were given a preview of this and they had a
Speaker 2: they were told that they could not write about it.
Speaker 2: It was what they call in the media business and
Speaker 2: embargo until this morning. And that's the way in which
Speaker 2: some interest in the story is built. Duran is then
Speaker 2: asked by director Greg Whitley what he meant by that
Speaker 2: comment quote it was a pretty low time for me,
Speaker 2: like I didn't even want to be here anymore. Duran answers.
Speaker 2: I got to the point where I was sitting in
Speaker 2: my room. I had a rifle and I had a bullet,
Speaker 2: and I pulled the trigger and the gun clicked, but
Speaker 2: nothing happened. Duran said, to this day, I think God
Speaker 2: just didn't let me take my own life, because I
Speaker 2: seriously I don't know why it didn't go off, but
Speaker 2: I took it as a sign of like, all right,
Speaker 2: I might have to be here for a reason. So
Speaker 2: that's when I started to look myself in the mirror.
Speaker 2: After the gun didn't go off, I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: do I want to be here or do I not
Speaker 2: want to be here? Left unexplained, according to Abraham in
Speaker 2: the Netflix documentary, was why Durant had a rifle in
Speaker 2: his possession. That's of less interest to me the fact
Speaker 2: that he apparently went through and pulled the trigger. Now.
Speaker 2: In the article by Peter Abraham, Red Sox president Sam
Speaker 2: Kennedy said, look, his decision, meaning Duran's decision to share
Speaker 2: this story, is an act of coverage that reaches farby
Speaker 2: on baseball. By opening up, he's showing others who may
Speaker 2: be struggling they're not alone and then asking for help.
Speaker 2: Isn't just okay, it's essential. Sounds to me like this
Speaker 2: was spontaneous. I haven't seen the documentary. Some of the
Speaker 2: Red Sox writers have seen the documentary, but it sounds
Speaker 2: me as if he just made a comment to the
Speaker 2: to the filmmaker, and the filmmaker was listening to the
Speaker 2: answer to the answers and decided, okay, I'm going to
Speaker 2: follow up. So to me, it's an extraordinary story. Now
Speaker 2: that is not to say that there have not been
Speaker 2: you know, young major league players who have not you know,
Speaker 2: taken their own life. There was a story about a
Speaker 2: picture for the Los Angeles Angels might have been the
Speaker 2: California Angels at the time, guy named Donnie Moore, who
Speaker 2: most lover time Red Sox fans will remember through that
Speaker 2: home run pitch to Dave Henderson which are propelled the
Speaker 2: Red Sox into the eighty six World Series in the
Speaker 2: American League playoffs against the Angels. But Duran had not
Speaker 2: dealt with anything that horrific in terms of a big
Speaker 2: pitch on a big stage, and the game was that
Speaker 2: was decided by the pitch. So, you know, mental health,
Speaker 2: we would understand if a ballplayer is injured and you know,
Speaker 2: he breaks an ankle, breaks his wrist, he's out. We
Speaker 2: understand that. But to me, it's an amazing story and
Speaker 2: I am looking forward to watching this story and I'm
Speaker 2: hoping that some of you might want to comment on
Speaker 2: it now. Duran also had a problem a year ago
Speaker 2: and he shouted out an explictive deleted UH directed at
Speaker 2: a fan that he thought was gay when the fan
Speaker 2: had heckled him a little bit. Uh. In the article
Speaker 2: in the Herald, the Herald writer talks about some concerns
Speaker 2: that that he that that Duran has, and we'll get
Speaker 2: to some of that. But but what I'd like to do, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is what the Herald writers said. I guess. At
Speaker 2: one point, Duran said. At one point midway through the
Speaker 2: show's runtime, Jared Duran compares the existence of a big
Speaker 2: league player to that of a zoo animal. We're in
Speaker 2: this big old cage, the outfielder said. People are trying
Speaker 2: to throw popcorn at you, get a picture with you,
Speaker 2: get your attention, scream your name. Yet, for all the
Speaker 2: fame and fortune, the mini ball players enjoy the clubhouse
Speaker 2: a year with the Red Sox makes a concerted effort
Speaker 2: to drive a simple point home. At the end of
Speaker 2: the day, these players, coaches, and staffers are all human,
Speaker 2: which is great to understand. This is I think it's
Speaker 2: an amazing story and we've we've seen the stories here
Speaker 2: in New England of Aaron Hernandez, the Patriots, uh tight end,
Speaker 2: who who ended up in prison and committed committed suicide
Speaker 2: in prison. So look, the same thing that affects all
Speaker 2: of us affects profess some athletes and celebrities of all sorts.
Speaker 2: So I'd love to have you join the conversation. I
Speaker 2: know you probably haven't seen the Netflix film, uh, the
Speaker 2: special this uh this Netflix Discovery presentation, but I'd like
Speaker 2: to like to hear what you think if you have,
Speaker 2: particularly if you've heard about the story. So you've heard
Speaker 2: it from me, maybe you've heard it on your own
Speaker 2: six one seven, two five, four ten thirty six one seven,
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Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: You know, there have been some ugly incidents in sports.
Speaker 2: Sports is something that for most of us supposed to
Speaker 2: be an enjoyable experience, and there had been ugly incidents
Speaker 2: in Boston. I remember when outfielder for the Orioles a
Speaker 2: few years ago was the object of some racial slurs.
Speaker 2: Pretty ugly incident. I remember being at Fenway Park. It's
Speaker 2: got to be I don't know ten or twelve years ago,
Speaker 2: and there was a player named Albert Bell who was
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, supposing a bad guy. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, a good guy for the opposition wings him
Speaker 2: a bad guy here in Boston, and there was some
Speaker 2: punk kids, you know, in their teens or late teens,
Speaker 2: early twenties yelling you know, some really rough stuff at
Speaker 2: Albert also known as Joey Bell, and you know, Belle,
Speaker 2: it had some you know, some dumb incidents that he
Speaker 2: had been allegedly involved in. I think they were sort
Speaker 2: of domestic abuse type, ugly incidents. But these people, these
Speaker 2: guys were yelling stuff at Albert Bell, and I was
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, these guys had met him after the game,
Speaker 2: like out of the street, they'd be asking for his autograph,
Speaker 2: never mind yelling some of the stuff that they're yelling
Speaker 2: at him right now. And you know it shows the uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the lack of car or the coverage that
Speaker 2: people have when they know that these players cannot get
Speaker 2: at them. I mean, the the oil outfield was Adam Jones,
Speaker 2: who by all accounts is just a great guy. And
Speaker 2: you know, he happened to be a black ball player,
Speaker 2: African American player, and people yelling racial epithets at him.
Speaker 2: This was this was kind of recently, like you know,
Speaker 2: eight or nine years ago, something that Boston is not
Speaker 2: proud of. So, you know, in Duran's case, it sounds
Speaker 2: to me like he was cracking under the pressure. Uh.
Speaker 2: And thank goodness that he has had some success. And
Speaker 2: maybe by doing an honest interview in this documentary, this
Speaker 2: Netflix documentary, it'll help other people. I don't know. Uh,
Speaker 2: we normally don't talk about a lot of sports issues here,
Speaker 2: but this is much more than a sports issue. Let
Speaker 2: me talk with Lawrence in West Roxbury. Hey, Lawrence, I
Speaker 2: appreciate you calling in you first to Saturn Nitsig, Go
Speaker 2: right ahead.
Speaker 4: I've come to say is that people that come up
Speaker 4: in the major leagues, uh, you know, the big deal
Speaker 4: either you're going to make it or something could happen
Speaker 4: and you're never going to make it. And a lot
Speaker 4: of pressure on these young men, uh as they enter
Speaker 4: that period of their baseball career. And uh, you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes ordinary folks like us forget that and don't have
Speaker 4: a full appreciation of the pressure that's on them, and
Speaker 4: and that some of the things that could happen if
Speaker 4: they don't get help and assistance along the way so
Speaker 4: allows you to happen. And I can't remember all of
Speaker 4: the situations over the eighty eight years that I've been around,
Speaker 4: but the things have happened, and the young people come
Speaker 4: to the Major League said, there's unfortunate and pretty sad,
Speaker 4: and that's what I just wanted to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're right. I mean again, most or many
Speaker 2: young young men, boys, you know, dream of getting to
Speaker 2: the big leagues. They obviously very few get that opportunity.
Speaker 2: And if someone is up there and they're not fulfilling
Speaker 2: their own expectations, and apparently Jared Duran and I remember
Speaker 2: his struggles. I remember watching him. He was up and
Speaker 2: down between Worcester and the Red Sox, and then eventually
Speaker 2: things clicked for him and he had he was an
Speaker 2: All Star last year. But to think that at whatever
Speaker 2: age it was, whether he was, you know, twenty four
Speaker 2: or twenty five or twenty six, that the pressure of
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball would cause him to not only contemplate,
Speaker 2: but actually to take the gun and pull the trigger.
Speaker 4: Boy, I never reached that point. But when I first
Speaker 4: was in the Air Force in Palotrain, I had a
Speaker 4: palot training instructor from Georgia and I'm from Massachusetts, and
Speaker 4: he wasn't quite sure that I'd appreciate Yankees in any way,
Speaker 4: shape or form. Yeah, And I had a couple of
Speaker 4: bad days in the pilot chating arena and there was
Speaker 4: some danger that I might be plunked out. And I
Speaker 4: remember how I felt. I didn't get to the point of,
Speaker 4: you know, thinking about doing something stupid, but it was
Speaker 4: a terrible, terrible feeling because I was out of my control,
Speaker 4: I can understand. And uh so I just wanted to
Speaker 4: say that and uh and I got by that. They
Speaker 4: sent me up to the head instructor and they had
Speaker 4: intectors and I was a good pilot training. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I just got a sign to another instructor and that
Speaker 4: that's how it worked out, and it was fine. But
Speaker 4: I remember the feeling. It was just loud.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, yeah, And again you amplify that
Speaker 2: a little bit. Obviously, the pressure that you were under
Speaker 2: was a different type of pressure. You know, you were
Speaker 2: under pressure of life and death and if you made
Speaker 2: mistakes that could you know, that could come back to
Speaker 2: haunt you or other people. Ballplayers under the professorship perform
Speaker 2: so yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of a lot of similarities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear I hear you, I hear you. I
Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time, uh to call in Lawrence,
Speaker 2: and and I hope some others will will chime in.
Speaker 2: This is a tough subject to talk about. I wanted
Speaker 2: to have you know, a psychologist and expert type join
Speaker 2: us tonight, but where not fortunate enough to have someone
Speaker 2: who knows more about this than I do. But I'm
Speaker 2: i'd like, I just want to talk about it because
Speaker 2: people will read about it tomorrow, and I want him
Speaker 2: to understand that. You know, there has been some interesting,
Speaker 2: you know, other players who have h you know, ended
Speaker 2: their lives, and again we tend to forget them. But
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a list here and I'm surprised at
Speaker 2: some of the people who have who have decided, most
Speaker 2: of them post career. You know, Darren Durant, Jared Jared
Speaker 2: duran if he had ever accomplished what he tried to do,
Speaker 2: that would have been someone who did it, you know,
Speaker 2: at the height of his career, So that would have
Speaker 2: been that would have been a little bit different, a
Speaker 2: little different, as you know, in terms of timing let
Speaker 2: me put it like that. Anyway, I will let you run, Lawrence.
Speaker 2: I thank you for your call, thank you for your service.
Speaker 2: Good night. Oh go take a break if this is
Speaker 2: of no interest. I think it's a horrific story and
Speaker 2: I'm glad that it has not resulted in any damage.
Speaker 2: And I'm actually very glad that Duran has decided to
Speaker 2: talk about it because maybe it will, uh, it will
Speaker 2: be a lesson to other athletes that you know, it's
Speaker 2: nothing is nothing is worth that, and thank God that
Speaker 2: that bullet didn't go off. So we'll take a break.
Speaker 2: If you want to talk about it, great. If you're not,
Speaker 2: we'll do something else. We'll be back on Night's Side
Speaker 2: six one, seven thirty six, seven nine three.
Speaker 1: If you're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w
Speaker 1: B Boston's.
Speaker 2: News radio, Thanks Zanne, thank you very much. We're talking
Speaker 2: about a sad story, but it's actually a good story
Speaker 2: because it shows that Jaron Duran may be lucky that
Speaker 2: that gun didn't go didn't fire. He said that there
Speaker 2: was a bullet in the chamber and that it didn't fire.
Speaker 2: And he's now playing for the Red Sox and actually
Speaker 2: it was an All Star last year. He's doing really well,
Speaker 2: but it does. It is a lesson and tomorrow you'll
Speaker 2: see a lot more of this. I'm sure he's going
Speaker 2: to be talked. He'll have probably be asked about it
Speaker 2: after the game tonight and you'll see some of this
Speaker 2: some Netflix documentary. Let me go to Laurie. Laurie is
Speaker 2: in Idaho, and Laurie, I know you sent me a
Speaker 2: message earlier today about this story, but we actually had
Speaker 2: decided to do it even earlier in the day. It's
Speaker 2: a shocking story.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, it is, it really is.
Speaker 6: I was very surprised, and I appreciate the heads up.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it sounds like there's a little more going
Speaker 6: on than just he was not happy with his performance,
Speaker 6: but thank goodness that gun failed.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think the Netflix. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you read Peter Abraham's piece or the piece that was
Speaker 2: in the Herald, but I think that he's dealt with
Speaker 2: some of these issues. He was on a fast to
Speaker 2: get to the Red Sox and he kind of had,
Speaker 2: you know, we're kind of a stop and start in
Speaker 2: his first couple of years. But he's played in the
Speaker 2: major leagues and then has come back and now has
Speaker 2: established himself, so that pressure is off. But in the
Speaker 2: Netflix documentary, I guess he had some comments about he
Speaker 2: had his dad, and I hope he still has a
Speaker 2: good relationship with his dad. His dad was kind of
Speaker 2: a strict guy and wanted him to be successful, and
Speaker 2: felt his dad pushed him a little bit too much.
Speaker 2: I don't know, do you remember the play where I
Speaker 2: don't know if you saw this play, but he's playing
Speaker 2: center field, and I think it was a day game
Speaker 2: actually and not a night game. Just lost the ball
Speaker 2: off the bat, had no idea where it was, and
Speaker 2: just stood there sort of looking helpless, and the ball landed,
Speaker 2: you know, thirty five feet or forty feet behind him
Speaker 2: as the gun circles the bases. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: sort of an embarrassing moment. It's one thing to drop
Speaker 2: a ball, but it's another thing not to see it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if if that was a factor, as
Speaker 2: you know, in that decision, but and I know the
Speaker 2: fans were really tough on him at that point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I do. I didn't I didn't see that one,
Speaker 6: and I didn't realize that he mentioned it tonight, But
Speaker 6: I do remember him barking back at a fan and
Speaker 6: who was heckling him, and I just who knows. I mean,
Speaker 6: if he's if he's having trouble mentally and you just
Speaker 6: lose focus you're standing out there in the field and
Speaker 6: your mind wanders, or he's you know, obsessing on things
Speaker 6: for you know, like I said, like I think maybe
Speaker 6: his father's given credit for you know, having getting a
Speaker 6: career going that he's got. But I have a feeling
Speaker 6: he was probably a little bit tough on him, which
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know. Yeah, and he also he
Speaker 6: could be thinking he's letting his father down if he's not,
Speaker 6: you know, performing, So I think there's a multifaceted reason.
Speaker 6: But I'm just really glad that gun didn't go off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at this story Red Sox center field
Speaker 2: of Jared Duran gives up it inside the park Grand
Speaker 2: Slam because he loses the ball and then doesn't chase
Speaker 2: after it. He literally was standing there kind of looking
Speaker 2: totally confused and lost, and the ball went over zone.
Speaker 2: Even at Fenway Park, the most you're gonna get maybe
Speaker 2: is you know, a double, will give up a couple
Speaker 2: of runs. But he was just standing there. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the video now, and he has no clue where
Speaker 2: the ball is, and I'm trying to see I'm trying
Speaker 2: to figure out the date on this, but it would
Speaker 2: have been it would have been at least a couple Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was in It was August seventh or twenty twenty two.
Speaker 6: Yeah, huh so, yeah, well, you know, it's funny that
Speaker 6: the radio guys last day were here. Was the first
Speaker 6: the second game they were, they clearly had seen or
Speaker 6: had in the preview of the thing. They had just
Speaker 6: kept making references to this little thing. But I didn't
Speaker 6: say anything other than everything Duran did that was good
Speaker 6: yesterday they were cheering all over.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but by the way, it was actually I'm mistaken.
Speaker 2: It was a night game, and because you know, he
Speaker 2: didn't run after the ball because the one of the
Speaker 2: other Red Sox outfielders had gotten the ball. But it
Speaker 2: turned out to be an inside the park grand slam
Speaker 2: home run. They happen to be playing Toronto tonight. Uh,
Speaker 2: And it said fifty five seconds of Jaron Duran missing
Speaker 2: balls in center field. And yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 2: that was the only time or not, but the heading
Speaker 2: gears says, yeah, and there was one during during the
Speaker 2: day this one is was I think out in Kansas City,
Speaker 2: that was when he tried to catch and he just
Speaker 2: didn't get it. But the other one, the one in
Speaker 2: with against Toronto, it's just he's he's he's like looking
Speaker 2: up saying where is it? And thirty five feet beyond him,
Speaker 2: So he was I was, he was having some trouble.
Speaker 6: And I don't nobody's perfect.
Speaker 2: Nobody's perfect, and catching fly balls in center field in
Speaker 2: the major league park is a lot more difficult than
Speaker 2: people would imagine. They make it look easy. Hey, Laurie, exactly, Thanks,
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Good, I thank you.
Speaker 2: Uh, let me go to Phil in Boston. Phil, how
Speaker 2: are you tonight? Welcome?
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm not a big baseball guy, but I guess
Speaker 7: the only good news you can get out of this
Speaker 7: is that maybe someone's feeling kind of bad about themselves
Speaker 7: might take a lesson from this gentleman. When you mentioned that,
Speaker 7: and I didn't know anything about the missing the ball,
Speaker 7: that could be you know, you're you're young and vulnerable.
Speaker 7: That could be very impard your whole family. I mean,
Speaker 7: you know they don't judge.
Speaker 8: You for this.
Speaker 7: It's I don't know, I'm biting uple. I get you here.
Speaker 7: But I heard about this gentleman, and I get the
Speaker 7: gut a lot of credit for being out there and
Speaker 7: honest with people. Maybe given someone said, you know, if
Speaker 7: you're thinking about your flum counting school, they get caught
Speaker 7: in the stock. You know, maybe you know this whole,
Speaker 7: maybe you know it could be a lesson hopefully you know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean again to think you know there
Speaker 2: have been if if you google something like you know
Speaker 2: major league players who've committed suicide. He would not have
Speaker 2: been the first. There's a lot there, you know, over
Speaker 2: the one hundred years in.
Speaker 7: The chest guess his brain for the Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: As they said, I don't want to get into get
Speaker 2: into that. But Phil, the point that I think you're
Speaker 2: making is a good one, and that he mentions it.
Speaker 2: He tells the story. Hopefully there'll be some people who
Speaker 2: will take a lesson from it. I mean, it almost
Speaker 2: sounds like he believes, according to the one of the
Speaker 2: articles that that the bullet was in the chamber, the
Speaker 2: gun did go off. Let mean, let me tell you
Speaker 2: talk about surviving a near death experience. That would have
Speaker 2: been a self inflicted near death experienced.
Speaker 7: Well, luckily it wasn't familiar with weapons.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Hopefully the next time someone's at
Speaker 2: the ballpark and they want to boot someone, they'll think
Speaker 2: about Duran.
Speaker 7: People pay money to go in and I mean, did
Speaker 7: you I guess, to go in there expose all these
Speaker 7: people throwing things that don't respect it. I mean, it's
Speaker 7: kind of like.
Speaker 2: I look, I think he may have overstated that a
Speaker 2: little bit. I mean, there was that play last in
Speaker 2: the in the World Series last year when Rookie Betts
Speaker 2: was trying to catch a fly ball and a couple
Speaker 2: of these idiot fans in New York kind of held
Speaker 2: on to him.
Speaker 7: All right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: They've been being that's the that's the exception. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: you got to block it out of your head. They'll
Speaker 2: cheer you when you when you're doing well, and they'll
Speaker 2: boo you when you when you're.
Speaker 5: Not doing that.
Speaker 7: I don't know how you play baseball. You're a kid.
Speaker 7: I don't know how. I mean, getting cheating boon that
Speaker 7: can be kind of discoverishing. I mean was good.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, most of us, most of us
Speaker 2: be included. When you played baseball, there was never a
Speaker 2: big crowd. But you know, once you get to the
Speaker 2: minor leagues and then to the major leagues, there's a
Speaker 2: big crowd, and you've got fifty or sixty thousand people
Speaker 2: who are critiquing your work. I'm sitting here doing my
Speaker 2: show talking to you, and there's probably some people out
Speaker 2: there who are swearing at the radio and don't like me,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to hear them. Okay, it's not
Speaker 2: like I got ten thousand people sitting here watching me.
Speaker 7: Do exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, hopefully it's a lesson for other people and
Speaker 2: hopefully that.
Speaker 7: Will und you could you pronounce how's this? How'd you
Speaker 7: pronounce the general's name? And how old is he?
Speaker 2: He's about twenty I think he's now twenty eight. His
Speaker 2: name is first name is Jaron j A r r
Speaker 2: e N Duran d u r a N. And there's
Speaker 2: young guy who you know, was identified as being one
Speaker 2: of these guys who was going to be a good
Speaker 2: and he did. He is. He made the All Star
Speaker 2: team a year ago, and he's you know, he's done
Speaker 2: very well for himself. But I'll say say he had
Speaker 2: that moment in time when.
Speaker 7: He sounds like a decent person who admits to what
Speaker 7: could have happened, should have happened? I think Amain. The
Speaker 7: thing here is he'll teach other people, maybe male, female, whatever,
Speaker 7: that maybe you can just go to off that little
Speaker 7: point and keep on going.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: What, unlesson here, A lot of people are going to
Speaker 2: see this when this Netflix documentary Discovery Channel you know
Speaker 2: is is shown, and I know that, I know that
Speaker 2: this publicity is going to make more people interested in
Speaker 2: seeing it.
Speaker 7: There's to see him on a boat with his family
Speaker 7: and a couple of kids, sailed down a Caribbean, relaxed
Speaker 7: and joined himself looking back on what should would have
Speaker 7: could have?
Speaker 2: You know, well, I think he's got to career in
Speaker 2: front of him, he's I think he's past the crisis point.
Speaker 2: Let's hope and he never worries. But but the this
Speaker 2: this series, it's a it's a documentary is going to
Speaker 2: be released tomorrow at the fourth episode, the Clubhouse, A
Speaker 2: Year with the Red Sox, in which he he describes this.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure it's going to be well watched by
Speaker 2: baseball fans.
Speaker 7: That A twenty five said, how is it going to
Speaker 7: be Discovery Channel?
Speaker 2: You got to you gotta have the to get the
Speaker 2: Discovery Channel it's on I think it's Netflix or something
Speaker 2: like that. I don't know, but I'm sure the newscast
Speaker 2: will cover it as well filmed. Okay, we'll take a
Speaker 2: break here if you'd like to chime in on this.
Speaker 2: I think I say hats off to Jared Duran for
Speaker 2: uh fessing up to this. I I have no idea
Speaker 2: if he had told his teammates about it. I suspect
Speaker 2: he hadn't. I have no idea if you talk to
Speaker 2: sports writers about it. I suspect he probably hadn't, because
Speaker 2: I think someone would have, you know, put it, put
Speaker 2: it out there previously. But this was a documentary by Netflix,
Speaker 2: and the story broke this morning. Peter Abraham of the
Speaker 2: Boston Globe staff wrote, we've had Peter on the program.
Speaker 2: It's the fourth episode, the Clubhouse, A Year with the
Speaker 2: Red Sox, in which Duran describes trying to shoot himself
Speaker 2: with a rifle but the weapon did not discharge. I mean,
Speaker 2: what a tragedy, What a tragedy that that would have been.
Speaker 2: And thank God, as he says that the rifle did
Speaker 2: not discharge, and and I'm sure that he is I
Speaker 2: guess he has spoken publicly about struggles with mental health,
Speaker 2: which I suspect all of us at some point have
Speaker 2: a struggle, but it doesn't get to that point. And
Speaker 2: if you want to chime in, I'm gonna I'd like
Speaker 2: to finish out this hour six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty, six, seven, nine, three thirty. We're not a
Speaker 2: sports show, but this would be a big news story tomorrow.
Speaker 2: It'll be in both Boston newspapers. I didn't I watched
Speaker 2: a little bit of the Red Sox game tonight. They
Speaker 2: didn't watch the pregame show, so I don't know if
Speaker 2: they talked about it tonight. This might be the first
Speaker 2: time you're hearing about it. Feel free if you have
Speaker 2: a question, or if you have an observation, or if
Speaker 2: you yourself have ever been to that point where you
Speaker 2: have actually contemplated suicide, feel free to join the conversation,
Speaker 2: or if you're a a professional medical professional that wants
Speaker 2: to jump on here. We reached out today to a
Speaker 2: couple of people. Peter Abraham was not available. He's been
Speaker 2: on our show before. The Red Sox had a former
Speaker 2: major league pitcher named Bob Tewksbury, who I guess has
Speaker 2: a psychology degree, and for a while he was sort
Speaker 2: of a guy that was dealing with the with the players.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's still is in the employee
Speaker 2: of the Red Sox. We tried to reach out to
Speaker 2: him today without success. But I'm reaching out to you
Speaker 2: six one seven four thirty six one seven nine three
Speaker 2: one ten thirty. If you've heard, if you've heard of
Speaker 2: the story, feel free if you have some comment you'd
Speaker 2: like to make. I got wide open lines. Be back
Speaker 2: in a couple of minutes right here on Nightside.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a tough subject to talk about. Going a
Speaker 2: couple more callers, and I appreciate them taking the time.
Speaker 2: Let me first off go to Danielle in Worcester, and
Speaker 2: then I'm going to get kennon Waltham. Hi, Danielle, how
Speaker 2: are you hey?
Speaker 7: Dan?
Speaker 8: Happy Monday?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, a friend of mine calls it moan day, and
Speaker 2: today felt like a moan day with the with the weather.
Speaker 8: We had snow here, did you really not?
Speaker 2: No? No, no accumulation. I'm sure right, I hope no.
Speaker 8: The ground was too one, but it was coming if
Speaker 8: the ground was colder, it was coming down pretty good.
Speaker 8: From about seven am to eleven. Yeah, it's crazy. So
Speaker 8: I had some business to do in my car today.
Speaker 8: So I, being a very loyal and long time WBZ
Speaker 8: customer listener, I had w BV on and I was
Speaker 8: down a little bit low because I was, you know,
Speaker 8: preoccupied driving, and I heard him mentioned Jared Durant suicide.
Speaker 8: So I'm like, well, what the what. So I turned
Speaker 8: it up and I'm like, huh, And I don't have
Speaker 8: to tell you. It was like a jab in the stomach.
Speaker 10: He's a Wu socks guy, so you know he's in
Speaker 10: took get colder and have you know, we feel like
Speaker 10: another level of personal relationship in direct relationships.
Speaker 8: With these guys. So I was like, you've got to
Speaker 8: be kidding me. So, I mean, I actually get a
Speaker 8: lump in the back of my throat. It was really
Speaker 8: devastating to hear. But kudos to him for sharing that
Speaker 8: story and maybe hitting the hearts of the roots of
Speaker 8: some people out there, because you know, you matter. People
Speaker 8: need to understand they matter. Like it's never so bad
Speaker 8: you have to take your life. It's just not and
Speaker 8: you're not fixing the problem because you're leaving behind people
Speaker 8: to be so sad, so hurt, so upset for the
Speaker 8: rest of their lives on earth. So don't be you know,
Speaker 8: and maybe you're not thinking that it's selfish, but at
Speaker 8: the end of the day, it kind of is. And
Speaker 8: I think that's always someone that will help you. Don't
Speaker 8: do it. You're valuable, you matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it so well, said Danielle. You've got
Speaker 2: to have the corrich to seek some help. I think
Speaker 2: this guy worked through on his own, and I think
Speaker 2: that he's sorr as a sign from God that the
Speaker 2: that the gun didn't go off.
Speaker 8: He pulled the I mean, that is the most unbelievable story.
Speaker 8: I mean believable, but just unimaginable, unthinkable.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, the documentary gets released tomorrow. It is
Speaker 2: episode four, and it's entitled Still Alive. What a What
Speaker 2: a title? What a title.
Speaker 8: Everyone's going to see you and it's it's just devastating.
Speaker 8: Suicide has always struck me. As you know, we've all
Speaker 8: had bad days. We've all said, oh my god, I
Speaker 8: just read to be gag. I mean, but no, I
Speaker 8: wouldn't rather be. I mean, to carry through that act
Speaker 8: of killing yourself is you've got to be in a
Speaker 8: place that I can't even very and I just it
Speaker 8: just I just feel like it's never bad, it's never
Speaker 8: bad enough. And we live in twenty twenty five where,
Speaker 8: you know, technology enables us to communicate so many ways.
Speaker 8: You can be behind a cup home, behind a screen,
Speaker 8: nobody has to see your face.
Speaker 2: I'd be remiss if I did mention, you know, the
Speaker 2: Samaritans that there's that twenty four hour hotline. Daniel. I
Speaker 2: so appreciate your call, particularly with the Worcester connection I get.
Speaker 2: I got to give a couple of minutes to kennon Waltham.
Speaker 8: He was kind of appreciate noise.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Danielle. Talk soon. Okay, Let's see you soon too, Okay,
Speaker 2: yes you will, gotcha looking forward to it. Ken is
Speaker 2: in wal Dame. Can't appreciate your calling. You're going to
Speaker 2: wrap the hour for us, Go right ahead, Ken.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 5: I remember the All Star Game last year and Durian was.
Speaker 11: Saying that he got on the phone with his dad
Speaker 11: and right before the game, I guess, and or when
Speaker 11: he heard that he made the team, and they both
Speaker 11: broke down in tears. And I was thinking, you know,
Speaker 11: kind of like what you said, this is every boy's dream, but.
Speaker 5: Boy that's a little over the top.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: Well, now I think we know maybe why they are
Speaker 5: such an emotional moment for the film.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I would think that anyone, you know,
Speaker 2: if they had a relationship with their dad and a
Speaker 2: lot of them. You know, guys, do you see this
Speaker 2: young guy who's a rookie coming up for the Red
Speaker 2: Sox and his parents are there. It seems that every
Speaker 2: game I watched the Sox over the weekend, and he
Speaker 2: was a relatively unheralded young player, and he's done very well.
Speaker 2: And he just signed I get think a six year
Speaker 2: contract or whatever in our an eight year contract, so
Speaker 2: you know, he's going to be with the Red Sox
Speaker 2: for a while. But yeah, I just think that it'll
Speaker 2: be interesting to see this there the the the documentary
Speaker 2: gets released tomorrow. I suspect that they will released some
Speaker 2: of this because this is going to cause a lot
Speaker 2: of people to want to watch this and see it
Speaker 2: for themselves. So Bill and hopefully it'll be a lesson
Speaker 2: you know that, Hey, everything doesn't go perfectly. He ends
Speaker 2: up as an All Star and I guess he was
Speaker 2: also the MVP of the All Star Game a year ago,
Speaker 2: which yeah, you know, you got a big hit in
Speaker 2: the All Star Game. I mean, it's not like being
Speaker 2: the MVP of a season, but certainly that's something that
Speaker 2: very few players can ever client can ever you know?
Speaker 2: Say so, Yeah, Ken, I appreciate you taking the time
Speaker 2: to call the people call tonight were really interesting because
Speaker 2: this is a subject that people are unfamiliar with. And
Speaker 2: I'm very much indebted to you, with Lawrence and Laurie
Speaker 2: and Phil and Danielle for filling out the hour with
Speaker 2: me tonight. I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Do I have time for one more thing?
Speaker 2: Or yeah?
Speaker 11: I was just thinking about priorities and as much younger man.
Speaker 11: I think you probably remember Dwight Gooden and he had
Speaker 11: to leave baseball because it can addiction. And I remember
Speaker 11: one of his teammates. I don't remember who it was,
Speaker 11: but he said, you know, I don't care if he
Speaker 11: ever plays baseball again, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I just hope he gets better. Yes, And I
Speaker 5: remember thinking, what are you crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you must have been a Mets fan at the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I love Dwight good and uh, I just
Speaker 5: as I grew up, you know, even though I was
Speaker 5: an adult when this happened, I sort of started to
Speaker 5: get it that maybe baseball.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, that's a that's a passing phase in
Speaker 2: everyone's life, you know, and and at some point it
Speaker 2: answer everybody, whether it's in little league or high school,
Speaker 2: or college or or professional baseball, it all, it all
Speaker 2: comes to an end at some point and hopefully, Jared Duran,
Speaker 2: we'll have a great career here in Boston. Hey, I
Speaker 2: can't thank you for calling in. I got a screwed
Speaker 2: here because I'm into the ten o'clock news. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 5: Thanks.
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