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<v Speaker 1>In the last episode, we began our deep dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the story of Sharon Marshall. Today we continue that story

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<v Speaker 1>with part two, so be sure to check out part

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<v Speaker 1>one before carrying on with us today. But if you're ready,

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<v Speaker 1>then let's continue the story.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcast. Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcasts and material intended for a mature audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Your Weight is finally over.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part two, Part two. I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people try and they try and listen to both episodes

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<v Speaker 1>in the same day at eight for it. Yeap, So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're doing that, you're going for the binge. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>here we are. Even if you've been waiting for days

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to part two, well, same thing. Here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope the weight was worth it. This is it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite the tail. There is a lot of details, so

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<v Speaker 1>it definitely needed two parts. I honestly I probably could

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<v Speaker 1>have even done a third part if I really wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>Really probably, there is that much to this case.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really big one, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what she said.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, gracious, sorry, Okay, well, honestly, though, if

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<v Speaker 2>you did listen already to part one, you may need

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a recap. So do you got

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<v Speaker 2>that for us?

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<v Speaker 1>I do have a recap. Are you ready for it

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<v Speaker 1>right out of the gate?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. I think we've been making people wait

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<v Speaker 2>long enough. I'm on the edge of my seat.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to talk about the weather today. Look

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<v Speaker 1>at that frost out there. It's a frosty sunny morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I could go on for at least fifteen minutes about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I will just say the sun is nice. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been lacking some serious son here lately, so I am

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<v Speaker 2>into the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. But I also think people are lacking a

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<v Speaker 1>part two. So I think you're right. We should just

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<v Speaker 1>get right into the recap.

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<v Speaker 2>And not be little menaces.

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<v Speaker 1>Not be little menaces? Yeah, all right, so let's recap this.

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<v Speaker 1>In the last episode, we left off with Sharon Marshall

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<v Speaker 1>dead and almost no one understanding who she really was.

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<v Speaker 1>We went through the story of a man named Franklin

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<v Speaker 1>Delano Floyd aka Floyd. We were going all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back to his childhood and he had a life that

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<v Speaker 1>was marked quite early on by violence, abandonment and abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>and we followed how that chaos turned into a long

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<v Speaker 1>pattern of sexual violence, kidnapping, and escalating crime through his

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<v Speaker 1>adult life. Now, despite his convictions for abducting and sexually

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<v Speaker 1>assaulting a child, also with armed robbery and repeated escape

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<v Speaker 1>attempts from prison, Floyd was released again and again until

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy three, he skipped bail and disappeared completely, becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a fugitive free to start over under a new and

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<v Speaker 1>false name. Now that reinvention led him to meet a

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<v Speaker 1>woman by the name of Sandra Brandenburg, a struggling single

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<v Speaker 1>mother of four who believed she had finally found someone

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<v Speaker 1>who could help her hold her family together. She married

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<v Speaker 1>him with the high hopes, but instead, during a short

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<v Speaker 1>jail sentence in nineteen seventy five, Floyd vanished with her

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<v Speaker 1>children in tow. Now. Two of them were later recovered

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<v Speaker 1>and reunited with their mother as they were quietly placed

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<v Speaker 1>in adoption, but another one was placed in a private

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<v Speaker 1>adoption situation and was never seen. The oldest was Suzanne

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<v Speaker 1>Maurice s Vegis, and she was taken by Floyd and

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<v Speaker 1>was never officially searched for because she was well taken

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<v Speaker 1>legally by her stepfather because the two had married. Now

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<v Speaker 1>from that point on, Suzanne was raised in plain sight

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<v Speaker 1>under false identities to make sure that he could keep

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<v Speaker 1>her hidden. She was taught that her mother was dead

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<v Speaker 1>and that the man controlling her life was in fact

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<v Speaker 1>her father. Over the years, those lies hardened into reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne became Sharon Marshall, a bright, well liked student who

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<v Speaker 1>looked on paper like a success story, even as she

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<v Speaker 1>lived under constant fear, physical and sexual abuse, and control.

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<v Speaker 1>As she got older, Floyd's grip didn't exactly loosen, it

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<v Speaker 1>instead tightened. Friends noticed strict rules, odd behavior, and moments

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<v Speaker 1>that felt wrong, but never quite crossed into something they

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<v Speaker 1>could prove. When Sharon finally earned a full scholarship to

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia Tech, it looked like her way out, but that

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<v Speaker 1>chance disappeared when she became pregnant. The baby, however, was

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<v Speaker 1>placed up for adoption, and college was quickly taken off

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<v Speaker 1>the table, while Sharon stayed exactly where Floyd wanted her.

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<v Speaker 1>By the late nineteen eighties, Sharon was supporting Floyd and

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<v Speaker 1>her new son, Michael by working as an exotic dancer

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida. Floyd inserted himself into every part of her life,

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<v Speaker 1>including the dancing, controlling her money and her movements, and

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<v Speaker 1>even her body and appearance in public. When another dancer

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<v Speaker 1>named Cheryl Anne Comesso challenged that control, the situation turned violent,

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<v Speaker 1>and Cheryl vanished without a trace. Not long after. Then

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<v Speaker 1>came the final chilling step. Floyd legally married the woman

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<v Speaker 1>he had raised as his own daughter, using paperwork and

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<v Speaker 1>aliases to erase decades of abuse in the eyes of

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<v Speaker 1>the system. Sharon would have another child, and it too

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<v Speaker 1>was placed up for adoption, and eventually they moved to Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>where for the first time she began planning to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>But she did have another child that she got to keep,

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<v Speaker 1>which was the one blessing in her life now. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though she planned to leave, she never got the chance.

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<v Speaker 1>In April of nineteen ninety, Sharon Marshall was found gravely

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<v Speaker 1>injured on the side of the highway. After five day

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<v Speaker 1>in intensive care, she died. Her death was ruled a

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<v Speaker 1>hit and run, but there was some suspicion Her husband

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<v Speaker 1>controlled access to the hospital room and things seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little off during his stay. I mean, she

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be on the men but then suddenly death

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<v Speaker 1>came out of nowhere. No one knew her real name,

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<v Speaker 1>no one knew her past, and the man responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>shaping her entire life seemed to be at the center

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<v Speaker 1>of it all. And that is where we left off.

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<v Speaker 2>That alone. That seems like that should have been more

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<v Speaker 2>than one episode. I know, right, because often when we

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<v Speaker 2>do part two is your little recap at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>is half that length. So it's like, huh, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>will be exact.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an extensive case, to say the least, and

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<v Speaker 1>each part on its own, you probably could break it

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<v Speaker 1>down and do another like two parts per the each

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<v Speaker 1>part we have, so you probably could expand and go

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<v Speaker 1>for five six. I mean, depending how deep you go, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there are books and documentaries this though I didn't read

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<v Speaker 1>any books in my research. I did watch documentaries. I

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<v Speaker 1>did read a lot of articles in doing some deep dives.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of info out there, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>info out there. Yeah, so depending on how deep you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go, and I chose doing two parts, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've done it justice in these two parts.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, yeah, so far you have so.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess let's put you to the test for part two.

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<v Speaker 1>Put me to the test for part two. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready for the test. Let's do it. After Sharon's

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<v Speaker 1>death in April of nineteen ninety, Franklin Floyd did what

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<v Speaker 1>he had always done when situations tightened around him. He

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<v Speaker 1>leaned onto the paperwork at the hospital. He presented himself

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<v Speaker 1>as Clarence Hughes, a grieving husband, and Sharon was now

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<v Speaker 1>at the time legally Tanya don Hughes on paper, which

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<v Speaker 1>of course was another false identity. It seemed like everything

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<v Speaker 1>lined up. It was a husband and a wife, But

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<v Speaker 1>when Floyd attempted to life insurance proceeds, the story began

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<v Speaker 1>to fracture. Social Security numbers, for example, well they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>match the names. Employment records also raised red flags. It

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<v Speaker 1>seemed that the identity of Floyd what he was using

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<v Speaker 1>it started to draw scrutiny, not because investigators suspected something

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<v Speaker 1>like murder yet, but because the documentation simply didn't behave

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<v Speaker 1>the way legitimate records should. Now, this obviously wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>first time Floyd had relied on aliases, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time the system actually pushed back hard enough

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<v Speaker 1>to matter. So the questions were mounting, and Floyd decided

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<v Speaker 1>to leave Oklahoma and placed Sharon's son, Michael, into state care.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, this appeared to be a practical decision. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>was just a toddler after all, and Floyd was facing

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<v Speaker 1>the mounting legal pressure. But what authorities soon learned was

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<v Speaker 1>that Michael arrived in foster care deeply traumatized. See Michael

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<v Speaker 1>was not yet even two years old. He was nonverbal

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<v Speaker 1>when he in the system, but he had poor muscle control,

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<v Speaker 1>in severe emotional distress, and suffered from frequent hysterical episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Foster parents later described him as withdrawn and fearful, especially

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<v Speaker 1>of adult men. Thankfully, with stability, routine, and patience, he

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<v Speaker 1>began to improve slowly, learning to speak and gaining coordination

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<v Speaker 1>along the way, all while forming healthy attachments for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time in his life. Michael experienced consistency, but Floyd,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't disappear completely. In nineteen ninety, authorities finally confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>that Clarence Hughes was actually Franklin Delano Floyd, a fugitive

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<v Speaker 1>with an extensive and violent criminal history stretching back decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to the social Security number Floyd provided which didn't

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<v Speaker 1>cleanly match the life history he claimed. Red flags began

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<v Speaker 1>popping up with authorities and it began to dig deep

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<v Speaker 1>into them. Authorities attempted to verify this Clarence Hughes across

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<v Speaker 1>state and federal systems, but the identity began to collapse

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<v Speaker 1>under scrutiny. Investigators discovered that the social Security number and

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<v Speaker 1>biographical details attached to Clarence Hughes overlapped with multiple identities.

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<v Speaker 1>Now He was arrested for all this, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>after fingerprints were taken that they actually matched him to

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<v Speaker 1>his original identity of being Franklin Delano Floyd. But even

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<v Speaker 1>though he was in custody, Floyd was processed through the

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<v Speaker 1>system without the full scope of his actions being visible

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<v Speaker 1>because no one still had any idea about Sharon Now.

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<v Speaker 1>All the while Floyd cycled through the custody and release,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael remained in foster care. By nineteen ninety four, Michael

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<v Speaker 1>had been placed in foster care with Merle and Ernest

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<v Speaker 1>Bean in Choctaw. Soon though, they began actually going through

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<v Speaker 1>the adopting process, believing Michael deserved permanence after years of instability.

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<v Speaker 1>As part of the process, DNA testing was conducted to

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<v Speaker 1>establish paternity, and that is when they would confirm that

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd was not Michael's biological father, even though he said

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<v Speaker 1>he was. Now that single fact changed everything, because any

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<v Speaker 1>remaining legal claim Floyd had over Michael completely collapsed. His

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<v Speaker 1>request to regain custody was denied to the court. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>was now a child free to be adopted, and Floyd

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<v Speaker 1>was a dangerous non relative with no legal ground to

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is really good because I was worried that

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<v Speaker 2>he was going to get control of this little boy again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was trying, and well the system said no,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not his father.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank goodness, the system work exactly now for Floyd.

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<v Speaker 1>This was well not a bureaucratic setback. It was an

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<v Speaker 1>existential loss, to say the least. See, even after Floyd's

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprints exposed his real identity, there still wasn't enough on

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<v Speaker 1>the table to keep him locked up long term. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though Floyd had a long and violent criminal pass, the

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<v Speaker 1>law couldn't hold him just for being dangerous. His earlier

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<v Speaker 1>sentences were already served, his fugitive charge had limits, and

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<v Speaker 1>Sharon's death was still officially an accident. So once the

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<v Speaker 1>paperwork ran out, Floyd walked free, legally blocked from Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>but not imprisoned. Now Michael was the last person in

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<v Speaker 1>the world Floyd could plausibly claim as his own. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't a legal guardian, but he was still that

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<v Speaker 1>as the adoption process pushed forward, while Floyd realized something else.

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<v Speaker 1>So Floyd made a decision. On the morning of September twelfth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four, six year old Michael Anthony Hughes arrived

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<v Speaker 1>was shattered shortly after class began this day, because Floyd

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<v Speaker 1>any immediate suspicion. He was calm and very purposeful, a

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<v Speaker 1>He walked in and asked to see the principal, James Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>He told the principle that he was there to take Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Davis well he was going to help him

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<v Speaker 1>to make it happen. So under duress, Principal Davis complied

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<v Speaker 1>entire time. The teacher was unaware that anything was wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and was asked to send Michael into the hallway. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>As they drove away, Floyd dictated every single movement, every turn,

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<v Speaker 1>every speed, every stop sign, and he directed Davis past

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<v Speaker 1>and they drove onto a rural dirt road outside of town. There,

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd ordered Michael out of the vehicle under the pretense

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<v Speaker 1>of looking for a dog, and then he marched Davis

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<v Speaker 1>out too, roughly forty to fifty yards into the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>He handcuffed him to a tree, wrapped duct tape around

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<v Speaker 1>the heat, with no water and no way to move,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course, with no certainty that anyone would find

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<v Speaker 1>him either. After Floyd had left him behind, driving away

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<v Speaker 1>in his truck, Davis managed to work at the tape

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<v Speaker 1>around his mouth, and he got it loose enough that

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<v Speaker 1>he was able to begin shouting. A nearby residence soon

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<v Speaker 1>heard him and called the police. By the time Davis

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<v Speaker 1>three hours had passed since Floyd fled with Michael. Now

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<v Speaker 1>those lost hours were extremely crucial, because no one inside

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<v Speaker 1>after Floyd was already gone. There had been no immediate lockdown,

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<v Speaker 1>no alert to law enforcement, and no roadblocks, which means

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<v Speaker 1>and of course he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Just making my heart just sink. I was not expecting this. No, no, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>why can't you not just let the boy be? This

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<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous? Really?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't say much right now because you give

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<v Speaker 1>away the story, Like, what.

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<v Speaker 2>The actual shit? Really? It just it's maddening. It pisses

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<v Speaker 2>me off. I'm pissed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a respectable answer. I totally understand, Like, what the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is a child.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're directing your anger from me and

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<v Speaker 1>not the story I'm telling. Yeah, because I think I

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<v Speaker 1>felt when you said, what the fuck are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you were saying that to me.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I wasn't. Are you sure I was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this Floyd.

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking to Floyd?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was talking to Floyd, and Floyd. I'm done

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<v Speaker 2>with Floyd.

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<v Speaker 1>Understandable, I am too, trust me. Now. When police finally

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<v Speaker 1>contacted Michael's foster parents, Merle and Earnest, they were blindsided

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<v Speaker 1>in a very surprising way because the call came from

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<v Speaker 1>the school, not about an emergency. It was framed as

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<v Speaker 1>a routine question asking for Michael's caseworker. Only later did

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<v Speaker 1>they actually understand the truth that Michael had been taken.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that doesn't seem great.

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<v Speaker 1>No, So when they did find out actually what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>they were devastated but kind of not surprised at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time because they they actually warned Social Services multiple

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<v Speaker 1>times that they feared Floyd would make an attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>take Michael. In fact, they even thought they saw him

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<v Speaker 1>driving by their house slowly after he officially lost custody.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a call to Social Services being like I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it was a merle who made the call and

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<v Speaker 1>asking Okay, what's what's Floyd's truck looked like? And they

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<v Speaker 1>described the truck and like, yeah, we just saw that

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<v Speaker 1>truck and someone inside driving by slowly. We believe he's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of casing our house.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's like, what are you supposed to do,

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<v Speaker 2>because like, you want this little boy to have stability

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<v Speaker 2>and go to school and stuff, right, So that's exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was also no protection because these this situation

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<v Speaker 1>and others. Well, they were just dismissed as paranoia basically

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. But the reality is these are real fears,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had actually just materialized in the worst possible way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and two, they're in the process of trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get custody right, So I mean, if they stopped sending

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<v Speaker 2>him to school or something right for his own protection,

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<v Speaker 2>but there could be consequences for that, oh definitely. So gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like in a really tough position here for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. By the afternoon in September twelfth, nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement and Choctaw were on the hunt after learning

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<v Speaker 1>that the six year old child had been taken at

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<v Speaker 1>gunpoint from an elementary school. However, they also knew that

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<v Speaker 1>the kidnapper was not a stranger. He was Franklin Delano Floyd,

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<v Speaker 1>a known fugitive with a documented history of violence, sexual assault,

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<v Speaker 1>and child abduction. So within hours the case escalated beyond

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<v Speaker 1>just local jurisdiction. The Federal Bureau of Investigation the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>was brought in and retired Special Agent Joe Fitzpatrick was

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<v Speaker 1>assigned as lead investigator. From the onset, investigators were racing

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<v Speaker 1>against time. As many of us know In most kidnappings,

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<v Speaker 1>the first forty eight hours are the most crucial, but

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<v Speaker 1>this case carried a dangerous complication. Floyd was claiming to

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<v Speaker 1>be Michael's father. Now that claim had, of course already

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<v Speaker 1>been disproven legally, but it complicated early assumptions. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that this is so crucial is because initially there

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<v Speaker 1>was there was cautious hope that Floyd might keep Michael alive,

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<v Speaker 1>at least temporarily, because they believe Michael still had value

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<v Speaker 1>to him. But since Michael could potentially be taken away,

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<v Speaker 1>proven to not even be his kid, well, that could

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<v Speaker 1>pose a very scary situation, one where he may make

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<v Speaker 1>it so no one could take Michael away and if

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<v Speaker 1>he can't have him, then no one can kind of scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>And he would be the type of person that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that exactly. Special Agent Fitzpatrick's team quickly began digging

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<v Speaker 1>into Floyd's recent history, not just as alias is, but

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<v Speaker 1>his behavior, and what emerged was nothing short of alarming.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a history we already know all too well,

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<v Speaker 1>but for them, they were just learning it. And what

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<v Speaker 1>came out of this was they learned he wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>man acting out of desperation. This was a man escalating

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<v Speaker 1>as he always did. The FBI contacted the bureau's Behavioral

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<v Speaker 1>Science Unit regarding the situation, and their assessment was blunt.

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<v Speaker 1>They told them Floyd would not be able to keep

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<v Speaker 1>Michael long term. He would simply become a liability to him. So,

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<v Speaker 1>based on Floyd's history, agents were told they likely had

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<v Speaker 1>about a week before they believed Michael would be killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, and they already like talk about pressure, they

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<v Speaker 2>already would have had pressure. And then learning that.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly apbs were issued for the principal's truck. Agents flooded

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<v Speaker 1>areas where Floyd had lived or previously traveled Atlanta, Phoenix, Louisville,

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<v Speaker 1>and parts of Florida and Texas. Media coverage spread nationally

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael's photo was broadcast on television and printed in newspapers.

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<v Speaker 1>America's Most Wanted even featured the case twice. But this

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<v Speaker 1>was nineteen ninety four. This was even before Amber alerts.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no cell phone tracking, no traffic cameras, gas stations

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<v Speaker 1>weren't blanketed with surveillance. And to top it all off, Floyd, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a head start. Not only that he had

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<v Speaker 1>decades of experience staying one step ahead of the system

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<v Speaker 1>hiding so it looked bleak at best. Then, seven days

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<v Speaker 1>into the search, the investigation took an unexpected turn. It

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<v Speaker 1>was while retracing Floyd's pass that the federal agents began

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<v Speaker 1>canvassing neighborhoods where he had lived under previous aliases, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>with anyone who might still remember him now. During one

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<v Speaker 1>of those visits, an agent knocked on the door of

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<v Speaker 1>a former neighbor, and in their conversation this neighbor well,

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<v Speaker 1>They showed him a photograph of the person that was

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<v Speaker 1>their neighbor, and it kept for years. It was no

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<v Speaker 1>an official record or evidence preserved by police, just a

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<v Speaker 1>personal snapshot that had never been turned over to authorities.

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<v Speaker 1>The image showed Floyd sitting casually with a young blonde

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<v Speaker 1>girl perched on his lap. She appeared to be around

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<v Speaker 1>five or six years old. The timeline made it impossible

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<v Speaker 1>for the girl in the photograph to be Floyd's biological daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the time the picture was taken around nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five, Floyd was either incarcerated or had no legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>way of having fathered a child of any age. So

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<v Speaker 1>soon investigators compared the child in the photograph to known

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<v Speaker 1>images of Sharon Marshall, the woman who died in Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety under the name Tanya Hughes, and the resemblance. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was immediately difficult to ignore the bone structure in

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<v Speaker 1>the face, the eye spacing, the shape of her mouth

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<v Speaker 1>with her jaw, all of it aligned, and to agents

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<v Speaker 1>reviewing it, this was not a vague similarity. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the first concrete indication that Sharon had been with Floyd

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<v Speaker 1>since early childhood. Now, remember, they still don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>Sharon was. For investigators, the case shifted in an instant

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<v Speaker 1>because they understood something chilling. Tanya Hughes had not met

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd as an adult. Tanya Hughes was clearly Sharon, and

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<v Speaker 1>it went back further. The woman whose death once seemed

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious but isolated, was now instantly part of something much larger,

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<v Speaker 1>a long term pattern of abduction, control, and abuse that

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<v Speaker 1>stretched back decades. The case was no longer just about

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<v Speaker 1>finding Michael. It was about uncovering who Tanya Hughes really

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<v Speaker 1>was and what Floyd had been hiding in plainsight for

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<v Speaker 1>nearly twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>How fricking confusing. Would that be? Hey?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well about learning that. I don't even think I would

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<v Speaker 2>be able to my brain would be able to comprehend that.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just be like the shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you have to remember too, Sharon isn't even

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<v Speaker 1>her real name. She was under the identity of Tanya Hughes,

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<v Speaker 1>and police are working on connecting her to the name Sharon.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Sharon is still a false name, and they still

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<v Speaker 1>need to connect that to Suzanne, which, trust me, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get into.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing is maybe it makes them feel like

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<v Speaker 2>they have a bit more time. You know that he's

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<v Speaker 2>planning to keep Michael and not necessarily be rid of him.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe. However, when you consider what happens next,

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<v Speaker 1>echoes up the window pretty quick, okay, because thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>the investigator's hard work. Floyd was arrested on November one,

422
00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:41.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four, in Louisville, nearly seven weeks after he

423
00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:44.960
<v Speaker 1>abducted Michael in front of his principle, and when authorities

424
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<v Speaker 1>finally caught up to him. The moment, while it carried

425
00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:51.839
<v Speaker 1>both relief and dread because Floyd was alive, but Michael, well,

426
00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.720
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't with him. They didn't know where he was.

427
00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.119
<v Speaker 1>From the beginning of questioning, Floyd controlled the conversation. He

428
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.400
<v Speaker 1>refused to give a straight answer about the boy's whereabouts,

429
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.599
<v Speaker 1>offering vague and contradictory statements that seemed designed to keep

430
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:12.799
<v Speaker 1>investigators engaged without ever committing to a verifiable claim. At

431
00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the times, he implied Michael was living and being cared

432
00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.599
<v Speaker 1>for by some rich person. At other moments, he suggested

433
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Michael's return might depend on legal consequences. He never provided

434
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:27.160
<v Speaker 1>a location. Though he never provided a name or detail

435
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:29.400
<v Speaker 1>that could be checked out to verify any of his claims.

436
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.680
<v Speaker 1>He just simply would not provide anything and said, Michael's fine.

437
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:39.279
<v Speaker 1>That's that. Behind closed doors, investigators were already confronting the

438
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:43.759
<v Speaker 1>grim possibility that Michael was no longer alive, but again

439
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Floyd wouldn't confirm it. Floyd's movements in the weeks following

440
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the abduction have been partially reconstructed through witness statements and

441
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>travel patterns. Several people recall seeing a man matching Floyd's

442
00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.119
<v Speaker 1>descriptions with a young boy at rest stops and convenience

443
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:03.880
<v Speaker 1>stores across Texas and Oklahoma. One witness described an encounter

444
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.079
<v Speaker 1>at a highway rest stop area where a child appeared

445
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.559
<v Speaker 1>withdrawn and distressed, clinging to the man but clearly uncomfortable.

446
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Then the sighting stopped after that, No confirmed reports placed

447
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Michael with Floyd after the first several days of the escape,

448
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.799
<v Speaker 1>the runaway, whatever you want to call it. This aligned

449
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:28.319
<v Speaker 1>with the FBI's early behavioral assessment. Floyd's criminal history showed

450
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:32.920
<v Speaker 1>a pattern of escalating violence, impulsivity under pressure, and an

451
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:37.200
<v Speaker 1>inability to maintain long term concealment when a victim became inconvenient.

452
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Agents had been warned early that Michael's survival window was

453
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:44.039
<v Speaker 1>likely short. By the time Floyd was arrested in Kentucky,

454
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:51.160
<v Speaker 1>many privately believed that Michael was already dead. As the

455
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:55.640
<v Speaker 1>kidnapping investigation stalled, a separate discovery in the Midwest would

456
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Speaker 1>crack open an entirely different part of Floyd's past, one

457
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.160
<v Speaker 1>that would ultimately own overshadow even the abduction of Michael.

458
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<v Speaker 1>In March nineteen ninety five, in Kansas, a mechanic working

459
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.680
<v Speaker 1>on a previously stolen pickup truck that he had purchased

460
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>at auction noticed something unusual during repairs. Wedged between the

461
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>truck bed and the gas tank was a thick envelope

462
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:28.279
<v Speaker 1>carefully concealed. He opened it and inside were ninety seven photographs,

463
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:34.279
<v Speaker 1>some innocuous, but others were unmistakably disturbing. Many of these

464
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 1>photos showed Sharon, but these photos didn't depict just her.

465
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Several of the images also depicted someone else, a woman bound,

466
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:51.359
<v Speaker 1>bruised and severely beaten. Her face was swollen beyond recognition

467
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:55.839
<v Speaker 1>in some frames, but there were some snapshots where you

468
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.279
<v Speaker 1>could see kind of what she would look like. This

469
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.079
<v Speaker 1>was clearly not an accident. These were clearly records of abuse,

470
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>and investigators were notified and they quickly tracked the truck

471
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:09.839
<v Speaker 1>back to Floyd. He had stolen it in Oklahoma shortly

472
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:13.720
<v Speaker 1>after Michael's abduction and abandoned it weeks later in Texas.

473
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>When detectives compared the photographs to open cases, one name

474
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:26.200
<v Speaker 1>resurfaced almost immediately, and that was Cheryl Ann Comesso. If

475
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 1>you recall from part one of this story, Cheryl had

476
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:33.119
<v Speaker 1>disappeared in Tampa, Florida, in nineteen eighty nine. She was

477
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>eighteen years old at the time and worked as an

478
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.960
<v Speaker 1>exotic dancers at the same club that Sharon Marshall did.

479
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Coworkers had witnessed a heated confrontation between Cheryl and Floyd

480
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:48.079
<v Speaker 1>outside the club shortly before she vanished. Cheryl and Sharon

481
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.799
<v Speaker 1>were great friends, and Cheryl was standing up for her friend.

482
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Floyd accused her of reporting Sharon for benefit fraud, an

483
00:28:55.799 --> 00:29:01.039
<v Speaker 1>accusation that allegedly resulted in Sharon losing financial assistance. Witnesses

484
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>later told police they even saw Floyd punch Cheryl in

485
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the face during the argument. At the time, suspicion existed,

486
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 1>but the evidence didn't, and now there was photographic evidence

487
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>that could be tied directly to Floyd himself. Not long

488
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:24.720
<v Speaker 1>after that, though, things got even worse. Skeletal remains were

489
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>found in a wooded area off Interstate two hundred and

490
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>seventy five in Penniless County, Florida. An anthropologist determined that

491
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:36.279
<v Speaker 1>the victim had suffered blunt force trauma and gunshot wounds

492
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to the head, and when forensic examiners compared the remains

493
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:44.279
<v Speaker 1>to the photographs recovered from the truck, the injuries aligned.

494
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.599
<v Speaker 1>The facial fractures were visible in the images, and they

495
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 1>match damages to the skull. Clothing seen in the photographs

496
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>also matched fibers recovered from the burial site, it seemed

497
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.359
<v Speaker 1>the case against Floyd for Cheryl Komesso's murder was no

498
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.519
<v Speaker 1>longer circum substantial.

499
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, we all thought, but you hoped that

500
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:06.839
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't the case.

501
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, but it clearly was the case.

502
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 2>What a complete piece of garbage this guy is. Like,

503
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just it's hard to just sit here and

504
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>like listen to all the things that he's done.

505
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:24.000
<v Speaker 1>It's just it sums up and I've used this word

506
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.279
<v Speaker 1>so many times for so many people like him, but

507
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.000
<v Speaker 1>it sums it up really well with one word. He's

508
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>a monster. Yeah, And imagine being in Cheryl's shoes. You

509
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>are taken, you are beaten, and you know your life

510
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>is on the line.

511
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.440
<v Speaker 2>And you already knew this guy was a complete.

512
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Asshole, right, but now he's sitting here taking photos of

513
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>you when you're most vulnerable like this, and you know

514
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:51.359
<v Speaker 1>what it's about to happen, and he's probably reveling in this,

515
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:53.839
<v Speaker 1>laughing at this while he's doing this.

516
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Dang and yeah, she was eighteen years old. Yeah, and

517
00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.799
<v Speaker 2>then to hide them in like this truck like that,

518
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>that is that's also just really bizarre to me.

519
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, he clearly the trophies to him, clearly.

520
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But generally you don't just like discard your trophies

521
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>per se, do you.

522
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he discarded them. I think it was

523
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 1>a matter of forgetting them there something like that, and

524
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:16.839
<v Speaker 1>lost them as.

525
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:19.519
<v Speaker 2>He's onto his next frickin' shit thing that he's.

526
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Doing exactly, and someone just so happened to run across them.

527
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

528
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Now, as prosecutors prepared their case, investigators began reviewing the

529
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>remaining photographs a little more closely, and what they found

530
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:35.319
<v Speaker 1>was deeply unsettling. The collection of photos depicting Sharon did

531
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.640
<v Speaker 1>not begin in adulthood. Some appeared to show her as

532
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:44.079
<v Speaker 1>a child, posed, exploited sexually, and photographed at various ages.

533
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Now that's as far as I'm going to go into

534
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>the detail of those photos, but the timeline suggested years

535
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>of documented abuse, beginning long before Sharon ever appeared in

536
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>public records as a teenager in Georgia. This forced investigators

537
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>to reconsider everything they thought they knew about Sharon Marshall,

538
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.359
<v Speaker 1>just as they did with the name Tanya Hughes, because

539
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>she clearly no longer was just a woman who had

540
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 1>died under suspicious circumstances in Oklahoma. She was no longer

541
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 1>simply a victim of domestic violence either, not that that's

542
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>a simple situation, but the evidence suggested that she had

543
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>been in Floyd's control ever since she was a child, taken, renamed, moved,

544
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.759
<v Speaker 1>and hidden in plain sight for nearly two decades. And

545
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>if that was true, then the question investigators had been

546
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>circling for years suddenly became unavoidable. Who was Sharon Marshall

547
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>before Franklin Floyd? Now as Floyd sat in custody awaiting

548
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>trial for the murder of Cheryl Anne Camesso, prosecutors began

549
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.759
<v Speaker 1>assembling what would become one of the most disturbing evidence

550
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>records many of them had ever handled. The photographs recovered

551
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.279
<v Speaker 1>from the stolen truck were foundation for this case, but

552
00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:00.599
<v Speaker 1>they were only the beginning. Investigators traced the furniture, bedding,

553
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and interior details visible in the images back to a

554
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>trailer Floyd had shared with Sharon Marshall and Florida. That trailer,

555
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>they learned, had burned to the ground shortly after Cheryl

556
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>disappeared in nineteen eighty nine. Fire investigators at the time

557
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 1>ruled the blaze was intentional. It appeared to be an

558
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>isolated arson case, but now this was more like evidence destruction,

559
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>a cover up. Witnesses from the Tampa Strip club where

560
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:32.519
<v Speaker 1>both women worked came forward again, and this time with

561
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 1>renewed urgency. They described Floyd's escalating control over Sharon, his

562
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.519
<v Speaker 1>frequent presence at the club, and the confrontation with Cheryl

563
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:46.319
<v Speaker 1>that occurred shortly before she disappeared. Several recalled Floyd openly

564
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.279
<v Speaker 1>blaming Cheryl for Sharon losing government benefits, a grievance that

565
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>had clearly festered, and the physical evidence tied it all together.

566
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Forensic anthropologists compared the injuries visible in the photographs to

567
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Cheryl's skeletal remains. The fractures to her cheekbone and the

568
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>skull were consistent with blunt force trauma seen in the images.

569
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.360
<v Speaker 1>The gunshot wounds when they matched the damage documented during autopsy,

570
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.199
<v Speaker 1>even the clothing photographed, while it all aligned with the

571
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 1>remnants found near the burial site. By the time the

572
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.639
<v Speaker 1>case went to trial, the narrative was not really in question.

573
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Floyd had beaten Cheryl, photographed her injuries, shot her, and

574
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 1>disposed of her body was pretty simple and straightforward. In

575
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.239
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two, a jury would convict Floyd of

576
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:36.039
<v Speaker 1>the first degree murder of Cheryl Ann Camesso, and they

577
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:43.639
<v Speaker 1>also unanimously recommended the death penalty, and the judge agreed.

578
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, wow, just like that. Hey yep.

579
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, as the courtroom focused on Cheryl's murder, investigators were

580
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.559
<v Speaker 1>quietly shifting their focus to the photographs that did not

581
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>depict Cheryl. They were beginning to focus now on the

582
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>ones that Sharon Marshall was in as a young chin,

583
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.840
<v Speaker 1>long before she appeared in any sort of other records

584
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 1>with school or whatnot. The ages, as I mentioned, didn't

585
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.599
<v Speaker 1>line up with Floyd's claims of him being her father.

586
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 1>The timelines didn't fit any known custody arrangement either, and

587
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 1>no missing persons reports ever existed that matched her description

588
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.280
<v Speaker 1>for Joe Fitzpatrick and any other agents who had been

589
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 1>involved since Michael Hughes's kidnapping. This was the moment the

590
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 1>case fundamentally shifted. Cheryl's murder had been solved and Floyd

591
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.679
<v Speaker 1>would likely die in prison, but Sharon remain unidentified. No

592
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 1>one knew who she was. She'd been enrolled in schools,

593
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:42.840
<v Speaker 1>she'd earned scholarships, worked under that name, Sharon married and

594
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.519
<v Speaker 1>died all without anyone ever knowing where she came from.

595
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 1>There were no birth certificates, child medical records, confirmed relatives.

596
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.159
<v Speaker 1>She had lived an entire life on paper that appeared

597
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>suddenly in adolescents and then was gone when she passed.

598
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.159
<v Speaker 1>Investigators began referring to her as the living Jane Doe

599
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 1>because despite years of searching, no missing child case ever

600
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.079
<v Speaker 1>matched her age, her appearance, or her timeline. Floyd had

601
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.639
<v Speaker 1>clearly constructed a false identity that withstood scrutiny for decades,

602
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>and now, with him facing execution and not talking, the

603
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:25.039
<v Speaker 1>chances of learning the truth seemed slim because he wasn't

604
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 1>giving anything up for the first time. The case stalled,

605
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>with two questions lingering long after the verdict. Who was

606
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Sharon Marshall And what really happened to Michael? Joe Fitzpatrick,

607
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:45.519
<v Speaker 1>the FBI agent who led the kidnapping investigation, retired without

608
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.360
<v Speaker 1>any answers to either. Sharon had lived and died under

609
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.480
<v Speaker 1>an identity that could not be verified, and Michael vanished

610
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>without a trace. The case, in fact, might have faded

611
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>entirely if not for an investigative journalist named Matt burke

612
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Beck see In the early two thousands, Matt was sent

613
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>a photograph by a private investigator. It showed a man

614
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>and a young girl sitting together. The note attached was brief.

615
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>The man had kidnapped the girl, raised her as his daughter,

616
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:18.760
<v Speaker 1>married her, and later killed people connected to her life.

617
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:19.079
<v Speaker 2>No.

618
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Matt burke Beck recognized the name immediately as Franklin Delano Floyd,

619
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>and when he began making calls, he quickly learned that

620
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.679
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement shared the unease with this opened and endless case.

621
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.559
<v Speaker 1>The more that he dug the stranger, the case became. Now,

622
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 1>this was before social media, but online forums like web

623
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 1>Sleuths were beginning to attract amateur investigators who combed through

624
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>cold cases, missing person databases, and unidentified remains. Cheryl's profile

625
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 1>appeared on sites like dough Network and name us. Tips

626
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 1>poured in, many unreliable, some thoughtful, but none definitive. Whateveryone

627
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.079
<v Speaker 1>agreed on was this Sharon had clearly been taken as

628
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:03.639
<v Speaker 1>a child, but from where. In two thousand and four,

629
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<v Speaker 1>Matt Birkbeck would publish his book on the story of

630
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:11.559
<v Speaker 1>his findings, titled as a Beautiful Child Laying out Sharon's

631
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:15.719
<v Speaker 1>life as completely as possible, her school years, her friendships,

632
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 1>her intelligence, her fear of Floyd, and her death. The

633
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.320
<v Speaker 1>book unfortunately did not solve the mystery, but it did

634
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.960
<v Speaker 1>something just as important. It made Sharon impossible to ignore.

635
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Within months, people from around the world were trying to

636
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>identify her. The renewed attention eventually reached the National Center

637
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 1>for Missing and Exploited Children. By then, Sharon's case was

638
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:45.280
<v Speaker 1>considered a long term unidentified child abduction. There was no

639
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.880
<v Speaker 1>family advocating for her, no open police department pushing the

640
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 1>case forward, and no guarantee that she had even ever

641
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:57.000
<v Speaker 1>been reported missing in the first place. Now they initiated

642
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a comprehensive case review, pairing sharon file with Michael Hughes's disappearance.

643
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Their conclusion was blunt Floyd was the only person who

644
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 1>knew the truth, and if anyone was going to extract

645
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 1>it from him, it would take a fresh approach. So

646
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twelve, the FBI reopened both cases and assigned

647
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>them to Special Agent Scott lab He was given limited

648
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:24.880
<v Speaker 1>time and resources, but he had one advantage his predecessors didn't.

649
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Floyd had been sitting on death row for nearly a

650
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.880
<v Speaker 1>decade at this point, with no visitors and no leverage left,

651
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 1>so if Floyd was ever going to talk, this was

652
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Speaker 1>likely the last chance. Special agent Scott lab approached the

653
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:47.360
<v Speaker 1>case methodically. He didn't rush to interview Floyd. Instead, he

654
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.599
<v Speaker 1>studied him. He watched every recorded appearance, every courtroom outburst,

655
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 1>every fragment of footage that they had, and it all

656
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 1>showed how Floyd behaved when challenged, and what he found

657
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.800
<v Speaker 1>was a very consistent pattern. Floyd responded to authority, but

658
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:10.599
<v Speaker 1>only when it was unmistakable. He needed to believe the

659
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 1>person across from him had power and intended to use it.

660
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.840
<v Speaker 1>So to maximize their chances, the FBI paired Lob with

661
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 1>seasoned interrogator Nate Furr. The two spent months planning the

662
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.719
<v Speaker 1>encounter together. They coordinated roles, appearances, pacing an even posture.

663
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.199
<v Speaker 1>This was not going to be a casual conversation because

664
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>they knew they might not get another chance. And when

665
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 1>the time finally came and Floyd was brought into the

666
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:44.559
<v Speaker 1>interview room, he was shackled and immediately hostile towards the

667
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:48.599
<v Speaker 1>two men that he assumed were lawyers to represent him.

668
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:53.119
<v Speaker 2>This is good shit, Hey, Like, yes, they're like preparing

669
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.239
<v Speaker 2>for like a almost like an acting role of sorts.

670
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:58.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, that's exactly what they're doing. They're making

671
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.559
<v Speaker 1>sure they know their role. Yeah, what they're going to do,

672
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:03.239
<v Speaker 1>how to act, how to feed each other, both of it,

673
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 1>all of it.

674
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's like glorious. Really yeah.

675
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>But now he's sitting there and he starts shouting and

676
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>ranting at them, and he refused to let either agent

677
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 1>speak for nearly forty five minutes. They let him talk,

678
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:16.760
<v Speaker 1>They let him go off the rails. They let him

679
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.159
<v Speaker 1>do whatever he wanted say, yell, scream, whatever. They didn't interrupt,

680
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:22.920
<v Speaker 1>They didn't even correct him on the fact that he

681
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:26.039
<v Speaker 1>thought they were lawyers there. He thought they were lawyers. Sorry, right,

682
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 1>They just allowed him to exhaust himself. And then finally,

683
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.199
<v Speaker 1>only them did Lob tell the truth. They weren't his lawyers.

684
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.719
<v Speaker 1>He's like, we are FBI agents and they're reopening the

685
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 1>case on Michael Hughes's investigation. And the effect was immediate.

686
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Floyd stopped yelling, he leaned back in his chair, and

687
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>for this first time, he started to listen. Now, Lob

688
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.159
<v Speaker 1>made it clear that this interview would proceed on the

689
00:41:56.239 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 1>FBI's terms, and the FBI's terms, only they would tell

690
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:06.039
<v Speaker 1>his story or someone else would that framing it mattered,

691
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.880
<v Speaker 1>and it mattered most because Floyd had always wanted control

692
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.360
<v Speaker 1>over the narrative, and now, for the first time in years,

693
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:16.079
<v Speaker 1>he had an audience again. The interrogation unfolded slowly, as

694
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the agents walked Floyd through timelines he thought no one remembered.

695
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>They asked about travel, roots, about aliases, about gaps and records,

696
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and eventually they focused in on Michael. At first, Floyd

697
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>deflected it a little bit. He claimed that the boy

698
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 1>had been upset during a drive after the kidnapping. He said,

699
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Michael cried and he said he couldn't calm him down,

700
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.039
<v Speaker 1>and as they pressed him though, Floyd's composure began to crack.

701
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:49.039
<v Speaker 1>He began crying, and he asked why they were doing

702
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>this to him, framing himself almost as the victim in

703
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the situation. But that's the moment that Lob struck and

704
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>he asked a very direct question. He looked at Floyd

705
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:08.840
<v Speaker 1>and said, how did you kill him? For a moment,

706
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Floyd said nothing, but then without warning, the tears stopped,

707
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and he said he shot Michael twice in the back

708
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:18.639
<v Speaker 1>of the head to make it quick.

709
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:23.719
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, I mean, at this point we kind of expected that,

710
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess.

711
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:27.760
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, jeez. And so just like that, the fate

712
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:32.519
<v Speaker 1>of Michael Hughes was finally known. He's dead. Floyd told

713
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:36.039
<v Speaker 1>them that he was driving towards Texas, knowing law enforcement

714
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 1>would be waiting near the border. He admitted stopping, but

715
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:42.159
<v Speaker 1>claimed he didn't dispose of Michael at a rest area,

716
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>say mess rest area where people had witnessed seeing him at,

717
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.079
<v Speaker 1>but he didn't dispose of him because people were watching. Instead,

718
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.000
<v Speaker 1>he drew a map for the agents and pointed to

719
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.599
<v Speaker 1>a remote location near an intersection along Interstate thirty five,

720
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:01.559
<v Speaker 1>where he said he left Michael's body. The search of

721
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 1>that area followed, and forensic teams sifted through thousands of

722
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 1>square feet of soil by hand, looking for anything a zipper,

723
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:13.239
<v Speaker 1>a shoe, a bone, a belt buckle, but nothing was found.

724
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Investigators later acknowledged that this well was most likely the

725
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.400
<v Speaker 1>situation where wildlife had destroyed what remained of the body,

726
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.559
<v Speaker 1>and that it probably would never be able to be recovered.

727
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, Now, as horrific as Floyd's confession was, it

728
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:35.079
<v Speaker 1>was not the interview's final revelation. As the agents pushed more,

729
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 1>they began to ask about Sharon Marshall in her early years.

730
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Floyd began talking about Cherryville, North Carolina. He described himself

731
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.239
<v Speaker 1>as a bus driver and bragged about his appearance, and

732
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:48.960
<v Speaker 1>casually he mentioned meeting a woman at a truck stop.

733
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.239
<v Speaker 1>When asked what his name was at the time, what

734
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 1>his alias was, Floyd answered, without hesitation, Brandon Cleio Williams,

735
00:44:56.360 --> 00:45:00.639
<v Speaker 1>he said. In that moment, the agents froze, this was

736
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.440
<v Speaker 1>not a name no one had ever heard associated with

737
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Floyd before, and from there the story unraveled quickly. Floyd

738
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.199
<v Speaker 1>said that he met a woman named Sandy and began

739
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:13.400
<v Speaker 1>telling all about his past. But when officers stopped and

740
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.920
<v Speaker 1>asked who Sharon was, and I mean who she really was,

741
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Floyd simply told them without hesitation. Her name, he said,

742
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>was Suzanne Sevecchis, and when asked where she was born,

743
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:32.679
<v Speaker 1>he answered Lavoyna, Michigan, September sixth, nineteen sixty nine. He

744
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.039
<v Speaker 1>also told them about the siblings, how he took them,

745
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>placed them up for adoption, and just like that, Sharon

746
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Marshall had a real name Suzanne. Now, in Part one,

747
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I said I would be calling her Sharon because I

748
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 1>believe both names are truly hers, and I do still

749
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 1>believe that she grew up and lived most of her

750
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 1>life as Sharon, and she made that name Sharon her own,

751
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 1>even if a monster gave her that name. But for

752
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the remainder of this story, I do want to say

753
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I will be referring to her as Suzanne. That's her

754
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 1>birth name, and that is when she truly was separated

755
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:13.079
<v Speaker 1>from the man that took her life. In this moment,

756
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.880
<v Speaker 1>when they discovered that her name was Suzanne, and I

757
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:18.559
<v Speaker 1>think that matters. So allowing her to be Suzanne again,

758
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I think is the best way to honor her. So

759
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 1>that's what I will be doing.

760
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:27.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty surprised that he just admitted this.

761
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he just spilled, But.

762
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess maybe that's what time will do. And these

763
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.920
<v Speaker 2>people came very prepared to get this information out of him.

764
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 2>And there you go, Yeah.

765
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, you had two professionals who know what they're doing,

766
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:43.960
<v Speaker 1>prepared for a long time, and you have someone who's

767
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 1>just sitting there with nothing but time, yeah, to think,

768
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:53.239
<v Speaker 1>to wait, and no one's asking questions anymore. For almost

769
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:53.800
<v Speaker 1>a decade.

770
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:54.679
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

771
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.559
<v Speaker 1>So he finally gets another opportunity and he just says

772
00:46:58.559 --> 00:46:58.880
<v Speaker 1>it all.

773
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well I do like how they went about wording that, like,

774
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you don't tell us our story, we're

775
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 2>going to basically make it for you.

776
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so tell us your story or we're going to

777
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:10.840
<v Speaker 1>tell the world what we think.

778
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah is wow? That is good.

779
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, once Franklin Floyd spoke the name Suzanne Maurice

780
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:20.639
<v Speaker 1>of Akis, the case accelerated in a way few long

781
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 1>dormant investigations ever do. Within hours, agents confirmed that the

782
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.719
<v Speaker 1>birth certificate that he had described to them, with her

783
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.639
<v Speaker 1>name and birthday and all that it existed, that the

784
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.159
<v Speaker 1>dates line that the child had been renamed Sharon Marshall

785
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.400
<v Speaker 1>while she was born in Michigan on September sixth, nineteen

786
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:43.840
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine. The discovery immediately reframed nearly every assumption law

787
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.840
<v Speaker 1>enforcement had ever made about her life. Suzanne had not

788
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:49.800
<v Speaker 1>come along in adolescence. She was in fact taken as

789
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.320
<v Speaker 1>a child, just as they believe these photos did depict.

790
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>But the next question will it was obvious and uncomfortable.

791
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:59.800
<v Speaker 1>How did a five year old disappear without leaving a

792
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:04.239
<v Speaker 1>try how did he get Suzanne and no one looked

793
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:09.719
<v Speaker 1>for her? That answer led investigators to Sandra Francis Brandenburg,

794
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne's mother. At the time of Suzanne's disappearance in the

795
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:17.119
<v Speaker 1>mid nineteen seventies, Sandra was living in Cherryville, raising four

796
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 1>children largely on her own. The circumstances surrounding that period,

797
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:26.079
<v Speaker 1>reconstructed decades later through interviews and fragmented records, paint a

798
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.760
<v Speaker 1>picture of instability and proved critical to understanding how Floyd

799
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:33.920
<v Speaker 1>was able to remove Suzanne from her life without immediate consequences.

800
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy three, a tornado struck Cherryville and destroyed

801
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:40.679
<v Speaker 1>the trailer park where Sandra and her children had lived.

802
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>The family was temporarily housed in a motel through emergency

803
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 1>relief programs. Sandra was pregnant at the time, Deeply shaken

804
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:51.400
<v Speaker 1>by the disaster and struggling with what would now likely

805
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 1>be recognized as severe trauma and untreated mental health distress.

806
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:59.360
<v Speaker 1>She eventually turned to social services, telling them she did

807
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 1>not believe she was capable of safely caring for her children.

808
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.840
<v Speaker 1>But it was during this period that Franklin Floyd entered

809
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:12.159
<v Speaker 1>her life under the alias Brandon Cleo Williams. Sandra would

810
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 1>later say they met through church, where she was visibly

811
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:21.199
<v Speaker 1>distressed and crying. Floyd presented himself as calm, stable and

812
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:24.639
<v Speaker 1>divinely sent to help her. I'm sure it must have

813
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.159
<v Speaker 1>seemed like a miracle to her. Like her prayers were

814
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.360
<v Speaker 1>answered on the spot, and within days he offered to

815
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.880
<v Speaker 1>marry her, and within only days more they were wed.

816
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Almost immediately, he accompanied her to social services and secured

817
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:42.039
<v Speaker 1>the return of the children. Then, in nineteen seventy five,

818
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.239
<v Speaker 1>as we know, Sandra was sentenced to thirty days in

819
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>jail for passing a bad check. While incarcerated, she left

820
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.719
<v Speaker 1>the children in Floyd's care. When she was released returned home,

821
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 1>the residence was empty. Floyd was gone, and so were

822
00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the children. Through church run social services, Sandra eventually alone

823
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.519
<v Speaker 1>caated her two middle daughters, Alison and Amy. But Suzanne, however,

824
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 1>was gone, and so was Sandra's infant son Philip. When

825
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Sandra attempted to report Suzanne missing, she was told Floyd

826
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.360
<v Speaker 1>was the child's stepfather and had legal authority, and so

827
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne simply vanished into Floyd's custody without anyone ever looking

828
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:21.159
<v Speaker 1>for her.

829
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, so she was never even reported as missing, exactly

830
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:29.440
<v Speaker 2>as they felt that she was with a legal guardian.

831
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. How can you identify a missing child if there's

832
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:39.039
<v Speaker 1>no reports of a missing child to identify, too unbelievable.

833
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Her biological father, Clifford Ray seve Akis, had previously signed

834
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:48.920
<v Speaker 1>parental consent allowing the children to be adopted, believing this

835
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:53.079
<v Speaker 1>would insure stability and keep the sisters together, And so

836
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:57.239
<v Speaker 1>when he later learned Sandra had remarried and reclaimed the children,

837
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:02.079
<v Speaker 1>he accepted that decision and honored that agreement not to interfere.

838
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:07.239
<v Speaker 1>For decades, he simply assumed Suzanne was alive, growing up

839
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:11.679
<v Speaker 1>in another family. For investigators, the revelation of all this

840
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.719
<v Speaker 1>was sobering, to say the least. By the time Suzanne

841
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:18.119
<v Speaker 1>re entered public life as Sharon Marshall, enrolled in schools,

842
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 1>earning scholarships, making friends, all of this, the system had

843
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 1>already lost her, and it would take her death, the

844
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.280
<v Speaker 1>kidnapping of her son, and nearly two decades of investigation

845
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and persistence to finally bring her real name back to light.

846
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:35.559
<v Speaker 1>Identifying Suzanne was a win, but there was still some

847
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:39.880
<v Speaker 1>loose ends. Investigators needed to find out. For years, investigators

848
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.440
<v Speaker 1>had believed Philip, known in the family accounts as Stevie,

849
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.239
<v Speaker 1>had disappeared alongside Suzanne when Franklin Floyd fled Texas in

850
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteen seventies. His name appeared in missing person

851
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:56.760
<v Speaker 1>databases with approximate dates and little corroborating documentation. Even within

852
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the FBI. In the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children,

853
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:03.280
<v Speaker 1>uncertainty lingered over whether the child had ever left North

854
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Carolina at all, but that uncertainty persisted until twenty nineteen,

855
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.280
<v Speaker 1>when a man living in Cherryville came forward with a

856
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:16.440
<v Speaker 1>suspicion he carried quietly since childhood. See he had been

857
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 1>adopted as an infant. The topic was never really openly

858
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:23.639
<v Speaker 1>discussed in the household, but he discovered paperwork years earlier

859
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:28.960
<v Speaker 1>showing his original name was Brandenburg. As an adult after

860
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.159
<v Speaker 1>the death of his adopted father, he began searching online

861
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:36.199
<v Speaker 1>for answers, and what he found was a missing person

862
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>listing that matched his birth date, his birthplace, and the

863
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:45.320
<v Speaker 1>name that he had seen on those documents. DNA testing

864
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 1>soon confirmed he was, in fact Philip Stephen Brandenburg.

865
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, this just keep it, just keeps going, Hey,

866
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:58.800
<v Speaker 2>it does, but I also feel like, gosh, would he

867
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.079
<v Speaker 2>want to know all this? Terrible?

868
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but all four of those kids that were originally

869
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.679
<v Speaker 1>kidnapped by Floyd are officially now accounted for because the

870
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:12.440
<v Speaker 1>two middle sisters the mother got back, got them back,

871
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and so it was Suzanne and Philip who are missing.

872
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 1>And now as an adult, Philip has finally filled in

873
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 1>that last missing slot, while Suzanne, unfortunately was killed.

874
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Huh gosh okay.

875
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Now, Back in the nineteen nineties, after Floyd kidnapped Michael,

876
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:33.199
<v Speaker 1>the FBI traced a newborn adoption connected to Susanne and

877
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Floyd in New Orleans. That baby, a girl, had been

878
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:41.159
<v Speaker 1>placed with a family who had long suspected there was

879
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:46.039
<v Speaker 1>something deeply wrong about the circumstances surrounding that adoption. For years,

880
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:48.880
<v Speaker 1>they chose silence to protect their privacy, even as Suzanne's

881
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:52.480
<v Speaker 1>story resurfaced in books, court records, and online forums. But

882
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:57.679
<v Speaker 1>eventually they did reach out. The daughter, named Megan, grew

883
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 1>up knowing she was adopted and that her biological mother

884
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:05.440
<v Speaker 1>had died in a car accident. That explanation, though incomplete,

885
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:09.280
<v Speaker 1>had been enough for a long time. Learning the truth

886
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:11.800
<v Speaker 1>that her mother had been kidnapped as a child, abused

887
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.280
<v Speaker 1>for years, and killed under suspicion circumstances well that came

888
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:19.159
<v Speaker 1>slowly and with care. Megan did not approach the story

889
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.000
<v Speaker 1>as a mystery to be solved. She approached it as

890
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.440
<v Speaker 1>a family history she needed to understand on her own terms.

891
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:29.760
<v Speaker 1>She read only portions of the books written about her mother.

892
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.199
<v Speaker 1>She searched for photographs. She looked for traces of resemblance,

893
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:38.400
<v Speaker 1>moments of normalcy, fragments of a life that existed outside

894
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:42.599
<v Speaker 1>of the violence that ultimately defined public understanding of Suzanne Sebacas.

895
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Her involvement shifted the tone of the case, because Suzanne

896
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:50.559
<v Speaker 1>was no longer only a victim reconstructed through files and memories.

897
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 1>She was now a mother remembered by a living child.

898
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:02.320
<v Speaker 1>In twenty seventeen, a but symbolic act marked the convergence

899
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:07.360
<v Speaker 1>of all these long separated lives. Suzanne's gravestone in Oklahoma,

900
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:12.039
<v Speaker 1>which for decades bore the name Tanya, it simply said

901
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Tanya nineteen sixty seven to nineteen ninety, and then it

902
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:19.960
<v Speaker 1>also said the words I'll always be with you. It

903
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:23.079
<v Speaker 1>stood where she was buried. It was paid for and

904
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:25.960
<v Speaker 1>provided by her friends and co workers. Floyd didn't have

905
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:30.079
<v Speaker 1>a penny that he put into it. Of course, they

906
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.000
<v Speaker 1>learned that her name wasn't Tanya Hughes, but they didn't

907
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.320
<v Speaker 1>know what to put, so they put the only name

908
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:40.440
<v Speaker 1>they knew, Tanya. But now with the discovery of who

909
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:43.920
<v Speaker 1>she really was, it was replaced with her real name,

910
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 1>and now it reads Suzanne Marie Sevakis September sixth, nineteen

911
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine to April thirtieth, nineteen ninety Devoted mother and friend.

912
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Aw that's really nice.

913
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Family members, former classmates, friends and investigators, and her daughter

914
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.639
<v Speaker 1>Megan herself gathered to acknowledge what the system had failed

915
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 1>to do. In real time. For the first time, Suzanne

916
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:15.599
<v Speaker 1>was publicly mourned as who she truly was. The ceremony

917
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.760
<v Speaker 1>did not resolve every unanswered question or bring back Michael.

918
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.119
<v Speaker 1>It didn't fully reconcile the anger, grief, and disagreement with

919
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne's family over what could have or should have been

920
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:28.559
<v Speaker 1>done differently, either. But it did something else that mattered

921
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.920
<v Speaker 1>deeply to those present. It restored Suzanne's identity in the

922
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:37.480
<v Speaker 1>historical records, and it gave them closure, if even only

923
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.800
<v Speaker 1>a little. She was no longer just the girl and

924
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:44.039
<v Speaker 1>the photograph, or the dancer with a false name, or

925
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:47.159
<v Speaker 1>the victim of a hit and run that never made sense.

926
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:54.199
<v Speaker 1>She was Suzanne Sevakus, a stolen child, a brilliant student,

927
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.639
<v Speaker 1>a devoted mother, and a woman whose life intersected with

928
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:03.599
<v Speaker 1>one of the most dangerous predators in modern American criminal history. Now,

929
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:07.920
<v Speaker 1>as for Michael Hughes, without remains or forensic corroboration to

930
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:11.480
<v Speaker 1>back up what Floyd had told them, Michael Hughes could

931
00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:16.480
<v Speaker 1>not be officially declared a homicide victim. He remains listed

932
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:23.039
<v Speaker 1>as missing, though presumed dead. For Michael's adoptive parents, Ernest

933
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:26.679
<v Speaker 1>and merle Bean, the outcome was devastating. They'd taken in

934
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:30.639
<v Speaker 1>a deeply traumatized toddler who could not speak, who rocked himself,

935
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.039
<v Speaker 1>who panicked in confined spaces, and over several years they

936
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:39.039
<v Speaker 1>watched him stabilize and begins school. When Floyd abducted Michael,

937
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:41.800
<v Speaker 1>he did not just steal a child. He erased a

938
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:45.840
<v Speaker 1>future with a family that had finally begun to take shape.

939
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Floyd never expressed remorse for Michael's disappearance. He never offered

940
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:54.280
<v Speaker 1>any clarity. He even in his confessions appeared calculated, arriving

941
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.960
<v Speaker 1>decades later when it could no longer meaningfully affect his

942
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:03.000
<v Speaker 1>sentence or expose him to additional punishment. Franklin Delano Floyd

943
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:05.719
<v Speaker 1>remained on death row in Florida for the nineteen eighty

944
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:09.000
<v Speaker 1>nine murder of Cheryl Anne Comesso, and he died in

945
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:13.440
<v Speaker 1>custody on January twenty third, twenty twenty three, at the

946
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:17.519
<v Speaker 1>age of seventy nine. What remains in his wake is

947
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:20.880
<v Speaker 1>a case that unfolded across decades. His crimes were not

948
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 1>the result of a single missed opportunity or catastrophic decision.

949
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:30.159
<v Speaker 1>They unfolded because of repeated institutional failures across multiple states,

950
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 1>agencies and systems that rarely communicated with one another. The

951
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.920
<v Speaker 1>first failure happened quietly in nineteen seventy five, when Suzanne

952
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Sevakis vanished while her mother served a short jail sentence.

953
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:48.519
<v Speaker 1>No Amber alerts existed or coordinated interstate response followed. Authorities

954
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:51.679
<v Speaker 1>accepted that a stepfather had legal standing to remove children,

955
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 1>even when the circumstances were clearly abnormal. Later failures were

956
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:01.840
<v Speaker 1>more subtle. School systems accepted paper work without verification, identity

957
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:06.559
<v Speaker 1>changes went unchecked. Social services and law enforcement operated in silos,

958
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:10.159
<v Speaker 1>each each seeing only fragments of a much larger pattern.

959
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Even when people noticed something was wrong teachers, classmates, coworkers,

960
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:20.800
<v Speaker 1>The absence of concrete proof stalled intervention. Suzanne learned early

961
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:24.280
<v Speaker 1>that silence was safer than resistance, and Floyd depended on

962
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:28.400
<v Speaker 1>that silence to survive. Yet despite it all, the case

963
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:34.079
<v Speaker 1>also shows what persistence can accomplish. Even if late ryl

964
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Ann Kamessal's murder was not solved through confession or eyewitness testimony,

965
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 1>it was solved because of a mechanic noticing in envelope

966
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.760
<v Speaker 1>hidden in a stolen truck. Investigators refused to dismiss what

967
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 1>was found, and forensic comparisons, patient reconstruction, and an unwillingness

968
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:56.760
<v Speaker 1>to let crucial circumstantial evidence be ignored ultimately secured Floyd's

969
00:59:56.800 --> 01:00:02.800
<v Speaker 1>conviction and death sentence. Three of Sharon Marshall lasted decades

970
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.519
<v Speaker 1>longer than it should have, but it did not stay

971
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:10.760
<v Speaker 1>buried forever. Investigative journalism, renewed FBI attention, and advances in

972
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:16.239
<v Speaker 1>DNA analysis combined to answer questions that once seemed unresolvable.

973
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:21.599
<v Speaker 1>Susanne Sebacus was found, not alive, but found and restored

974
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:26.480
<v Speaker 1>to her name, her family, and her history. Other endings

975
01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:30.480
<v Speaker 1>arrived quietly. Philip Brandenburg lived an entire life unaware of

976
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.239
<v Speaker 1>they had once been missing. Megan grew up without knowing

977
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:36.199
<v Speaker 1>the truth of her mother until adulthood, then chose to

978
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:40.679
<v Speaker 1>step forward anyways. These discoveries did not undo what had

979
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.639
<v Speaker 1>been done, but they narrowed the distance between what was

980
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:49.320
<v Speaker 1>known and what had been lost. Little Michael Hughes unfortunately

981
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:53.960
<v Speaker 1>remains the exception. His fate rests entirely on the words

982
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:57.079
<v Speaker 1>of a man who lied as easily as he breathed.

983
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:00.519
<v Speaker 1>In the end, the case of Sharon Marshall is not

984
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:03.760
<v Speaker 1>a story about a mystery alone. It is a record

985
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:07.400
<v Speaker 1>of how long abuse can go, even out into the open.

986
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Susanne Servakis was a child taken and abused. She was

987
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.599
<v Speaker 1>a young woman who tried to escape, and a mother

988
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:19.719
<v Speaker 1>whose life ended before she ever got the chance to

989
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:25.559
<v Speaker 1>truly be free. Cheryl Comesso was not collateral damage. She

990
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.480
<v Speaker 1>was a victim whose resistance likely sealed her fate, but

991
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.119
<v Speaker 1>in the end, because of her willingness to stand up

992
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:35.039
<v Speaker 1>for her friend, she was also the key to unlocking

993
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:39.000
<v Speaker 1>this entire story and putting Floyd behind bars for good,

994
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:43.440
<v Speaker 1>even if she wasn't alive to do so. If she

995
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.719
<v Speaker 1>had never stood up to him, I wonder what would

996
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:50.440
<v Speaker 1>have become of this story. All I know is I'm

997
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 1>sure Suzanne would be proud of her friend for that.

998
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:58.760
<v Speaker 1>What remains now, though, is the facts and the names

999
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:03.280
<v Speaker 1>restored were possible, and the knowledge that some truths take

1000
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:06.840
<v Speaker 1>decades to surface, but they still matter when they do.

1001
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:12.159
<v Speaker 1>And that's a story of Sharon Marshall.

1002
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Good God, this case makes me want to just solve,

1003
01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Like if I just went and sat in a dark,

1004
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:24.159
<v Speaker 2>quiet corner, would probably just let it you.

1005
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Your eyes are welling up right now.

1006
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:31.440
<v Speaker 2>It's really sad this one, and it really fucked up yep,

1007
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:35.880
<v Speaker 2>And nothing about it really makes sense, Like it makes sense.

1008
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.239
<v Speaker 2>But why on earth did he have to take Michael?

1009
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1010
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean all of the stuff in here is like that,

1011
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:44.679
<v Speaker 2>but like it just why, Like that kid was set

1012
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:45.559
<v Speaker 2>up for life?

1013
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:48.119
<v Speaker 1>None of it makes sense. You start with the four

1014
01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:50.880
<v Speaker 1>children here originally took. He'd put up three of them

1015
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:53.280
<v Speaker 1>up for adoption, but kept Susan. You can make the

1016
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:57.400
<v Speaker 1>argument he's a sexual predator, gotcha. Sure that makes some

1017
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.719
<v Speaker 1>sense if you look at it and that aspect. But

1018
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:05.440
<v Speaker 1>then she had three kids. He made her adopt the

1019
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:08.840
<v Speaker 1>first one, kept the second one, adopt the third one.

1020
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Then later after hypothetically killing her, there's a lot of

1021
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:15.719
<v Speaker 1>question marks about that. What happened to her in hospital,

1022
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:18.559
<v Speaker 1>there's many much speculation about what he did to her

1023
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:19.599
<v Speaker 1>behind doctor's backs.

1024
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, it definitely wouldn't be surprising exactly.

1025
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.039
<v Speaker 1>So people theorize he did kill her in hospital, But

1026
01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:27.440
<v Speaker 1>then after that he goes and then takes Michael to

1027
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:32.400
<v Speaker 1>just kill him. So none of it has any sense

1028
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:33.480
<v Speaker 1>behind it whatsoever.

1029
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, like this, I don't know. I don't. I

1030
01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:45.280
<v Speaker 2>sometimes feel like I'm a little bit immune to like

1031
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:48.320
<v Speaker 2>true crime because we've just covered so many cases and

1032
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a big part of our life, I guess,

1033
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:54.920
<v Speaker 2>But there are certain cases that still just fuck me up. Well,

1034
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:56.320
<v Speaker 2>this is one of them.

1035
01:03:56.519 --> 01:03:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Every single true crime case, it does hit me like

1036
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:00.639
<v Speaker 1>a knife in the gut. But then, like you're saying,

1037
01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:03.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a couple where it seems like that knife twists

1038
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:06.199
<v Speaker 1>or saltz port on the wound, it just hits differently.

1039
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Not to say one case is greater or worse than

1040
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the others. But yeah, you're right, some just they don't

1041
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:17.280
<v Speaker 1>make sense. Yeah, why And like I said, one word

1042
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<v Speaker 1>encapsulates him. He's a monster, period, shortstop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of monsters in this world. And

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<v Speaker 2>the fact too that he lived so long. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>love that. Like what I mean, he had a terrible

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<v Speaker 2>life in jail, I'm hoping, but like, why did he

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<v Speaker 2>get to just live his whole life like that when

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<v Speaker 2>he was killing people who were really young?

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<v Speaker 1>I know? Now. I do want to say one thing though,

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<v Speaker 1>because with true crime we talk about these monsters, these

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<v Speaker 1>individuals who do horrible things, murderers, kidnappers, predators, all this

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01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:53.840
<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff. It's easy to focus on them and

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<v Speaker 1>say this world is filled with monsters. You also have

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<v Speaker 1>to remember the people surrounding this case. Single true crime

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<v Speaker 1>with case covers a monster, but it covers so many good,

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01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:08.480
<v Speaker 1>good people in it too. There's hypothetic. If he's a monster,

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<v Speaker 1>then these are angels. These are saviors Cheryl who backed

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<v Speaker 1>up her friend. You have the investigators who never let

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<v Speaker 1>this go. You have the special agents who spent months

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<v Speaker 1>rehearsing knowing they had this one last shot to try

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<v Speaker 1>and get the information from from Floyd to try and

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<v Speaker 1>find out what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>People never let up, like and Michael's adoptive parents.

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<v Speaker 1>You know exactly, there are angels out there that outweigh

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<v Speaker 1>these monsters tenfold. Time and time again, there are so

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<v Speaker 1>I want us to remember that the good.

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<v Speaker 2>Does outweigh the bad. You know, generally speaking, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just sometimes hard to turn a blind eye to the bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, hopefully you guys enjoyed this story. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a deep dive. There is a lot on this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm soon going to get that book and

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<v Speaker 1>give it a read, because this story is one that

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<v Speaker 1>has peaked my interest and I would like to still

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<v Speaker 1>go a little deeper even after we've finished telling the tale.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you did a good job. Well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>You pass the test.

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<v Speaker 1>Pass the test? Okay, thank you. I'm glad I passed

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<v Speaker 1>a plus. And thank you guys for being here. We

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you. We're independent, we're a podcast all on our own.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because of you we get to keep going. So

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<v Speaker 1>if if you want to keep listening, we appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're here now and this is all you ever

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<v Speaker 1>listened to. Hey, we still appreciate you. You mean a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to us. Thank you, and until next time, stay wicked.
