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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's gonna happen? How did folks? Your host J J.

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<v Speaker 3>Vance here back from our Fridays host of Operation g

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<v Speaker 3>c D and perhaps more notably, Nah the Vice President

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<v Speaker 3>back in the game with my co host Nick of

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<v Speaker 3>The Occult Rejects. Nick Great, Sir, Welcome back for Fridays.

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<v Speaker 4>Going on so YO one Friday.

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<v Speaker 5>You're gonna put the screen on and I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 5>doing that same thing I addressing some weird outfit. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna have my arms up and my ship tucked in,

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<v Speaker 5>dancing all fucking crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>For I always enjoy the intro up In Buffalo, Jared Rivisa,

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<v Speaker 3>my former stalker, Can you love.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Turned homicidal maniac, multi state stabbings free. Can you believe

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<v Speaker 3>that man wanted to be my pr rep. You gotta

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<v Speaker 3>be kidding.

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<v Speaker 4>Mesas wanted to use this hypno therapy on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, watch out for that.

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<v Speaker 4>You imagine That's what the deal was.

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<v Speaker 3>I not only do about it this, you know this

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<v Speaker 3>isn't any regular hypnotherapy we're talking about. This is this

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<v Speaker 3>man's from Buffalo. Jared's from the family that ended the curse.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the Goat, the curse that plagued the Chicago Cubs

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<v Speaker 3>from from winning a World Series for nearly one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 3>Ken Revisa in the Revisa Sports Hypnotist Operation business. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're the ones who broke that. They're credited by the Cubs.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Buffalo Jared's family business. So you know it's creepy, dude, creepy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about it. I might need to give

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<v Speaker 3>them a call though, because in case I need to

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<v Speaker 3>break this curse of Robert the Doll, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. They seem to be very prolific in breaking

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<v Speaker 3>curses there at the Revisa family.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, you know, since your son kind of wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>kill me, maybe he could just throw me this as

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<v Speaker 5>a favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe I'll be like, maybe I'll be his pr

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<v Speaker 3>rep in exchange. Maybe they'll break my curse and we'll

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<v Speaker 3>do a little bartering system that Jared didn't do it right?

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<v Speaker 2>What what's the new what to operate or the occult reachings?

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<v Speaker 4>Watch that much.

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<v Speaker 5>Finally finally finished, pretty much almost done with my Jacob

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<v Speaker 5>Bome however you say his fucking name thing, So that

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<v Speaker 5>that's exciting that has some tough way too much time.

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<v Speaker 4>B o h m. I've seen it.

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<v Speaker 5>B o e h m. E. I've seen it, b

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<v Speaker 5>o h m. E. I mean there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 5>different ways of saying and I've heard people say it

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<v Speaker 5>different ways. I think I said Jacob bome whatever three

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<v Speaker 5>times on the show, and then I was like, you

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<v Speaker 5>know what, I'm just gonna say Jacob.

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<v Speaker 4>By the rest of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Did to read more about him?

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<v Speaker 3>From what I have you've told me, from what I

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<v Speaker 3>have looked at, it's a he's an interesting character.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, for sure, for sure, I think so.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I finished that up, and uh got some

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<v Speaker 5>stuff just Sola Temple. We got coming this Sunday. You

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<v Speaker 5>were joining us with that, right, did I ask you

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<v Speaker 5>for that?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Solar Temple, Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 5>With a oh yeah, he may not be able to

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<v Speaker 5>make it, but conversation me and me and Julia might

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<v Speaker 5>still cover it.

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<v Speaker 4>He may not be able to make it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Okay, well that's unfortunate. Yeah, enjoy conversation here with

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<v Speaker 3>him on Fridays.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, get him back on. I just didn't want to

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<v Speaker 5>with you. I didn't want to tell like five or

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<v Speaker 5>six people to reschedule because somebody else can't make it.

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<v Speaker 4>When me and Julia have notes.

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<v Speaker 2>On I understand.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So I figured, you know, we'll wing it without

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<v Speaker 5>him and then we'll just bring them on whenever we

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<v Speaker 5>can rescheduled. Really looking forward to getting them on. Actually,

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<v Speaker 5>the guys like you know, like you a plethora of information.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, you ain't kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>I popped on his show There Night already dead with

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<v Speaker 3>him and his associate jose and Jewels from Great Bill Podcast, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh he's going to join us to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh nice, Jules Jewels pretty sharp. Yeah, we had a

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<v Speaker 3>great conversation there there Night impromptu. No, that's that's awesome stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So we got that on Sundays. That's live too, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, we're gonna go live. I'll see if we

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<v Speaker 5>got anything. What's what's dropping that next week? Oh, we

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<v Speaker 5>got next, We got tomorrow. We do have the audio,

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<v Speaker 5>it was already out on video. We do have the

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<v Speaker 5>Virginia U Guffrey with RDA Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great one. Yeah, I actually doing some great

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<v Speaker 2>work there for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and uh to drop on audio next week. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>this is an old one.

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<v Speaker 5>For you, but you know you were the cult and

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<v Speaker 5>esoteric review of The Golden Child.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that was a good one, man, Yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 2>a great one, dude. I got a couple of comments

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<v Speaker 2>that was a little barn burner. It definitely was this week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just this week folks for comedy.

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<v Speaker 5>On that and we got time slip with the Codega

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<v Speaker 5>coming out. Yeah, yeah, I got to get him back on.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually I was talking few long ago, not too long ago.

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<v Speaker 5>Good dude, I like him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've been trying to get him back on to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And how do you wanted to talk some more cold

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<v Speaker 3>stuff in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's he.

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<v Speaker 3>May not know a lot, as I told him, you

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<v Speaker 3>may now know a lot about these colts, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>the one who sent me down that rabbit hole with

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<v Speaker 3>getting better understanding of that atmosphere. And he knows I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know shit about geography of Mexico. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>nice to have a local like him, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that he helped helped navigate some of those terms.

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<v Speaker 2>But now that's awesome stuff, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I definitely enjoyed the rye there at the codexs Codega's

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<v Speaker 3>Codex of Curiosities.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go.

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<v Speaker 3>He was our guest a number of weeks back here

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<v Speaker 3>on Fridays as well. Right, yes, he was and on

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<v Speaker 3>your show and on The Rejects, and we've had him

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<v Speaker 3>on you We've had him on both.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, stuff man.

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<v Speaker 3>I I always enjoyed my time with the Occult Rejects.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be looking forward to that on Sunday. I dis

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<v Speaker 3>dropped that, uh Greg little conversation, you know, but she'd

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<v Speaker 3>hit him up again.

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<v Speaker 2>I intend to. For sure.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a speaking of a wealth of information on mounds.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the man to go talk to, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't so he doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 5>like I'm annoying. You should hit him up and bring

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<v Speaker 5>him on your show, and I'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Just gone, yeah, and I'll definitely do that. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>different show asking him on.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get Jen in the mix because remember in Jen

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<v Speaker 3>wizard skills in that conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>Right yeah, yeah. It blew the guy's mind with that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, Greg was like, in forty years, no one's

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<v Speaker 3>ever asked me or made comments like this, And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, shit, do Jensen.

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<v Speaker 2>And wizard stuff?

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<v Speaker 5>So his magic?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Jen the Ninja always doing wizard stuff. No, that's awesome, mate.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean again, you've compiled a an extensive, diverse team

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<v Speaker 3>of uh you know, folks that are at the occult rejects,

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<v Speaker 3>and I do solut you for that, sir. I'm happy

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<v Speaker 3>to be part of that team.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, Elliott Novo, thank you, bro, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>The team I'm not happy to be a part of

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<v Speaker 3>is the Revisa public relations firm, which is why I

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<v Speaker 3>told him no, I don't want to hire a PR guy,

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<v Speaker 3>even though he stalked me for about a year trying

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<v Speaker 3>to for trying to be sure, and I'm like, he

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<v Speaker 3>just went and took no note for an answer. So

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<v Speaker 3>the fella homicidal, psychopathic maniac trans apocalypse multi state killing

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<v Speaker 3>spree fella possibly hypnotic mind control assassin fella buffalo Jared

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<v Speaker 3>Visa from the introduction video. I'll be doing the tail

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<v Speaker 3>the full tale of his story on Operation GCD Sundays,

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<v Speaker 3>eight pm.

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon available, but go check it out. Yeah, that'll be,

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be.

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<v Speaker 3>That'll be a real barn burner because this, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>not only did this family break the Curse of the Goat,

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<v Speaker 3>and his dudes got some interesting storylines going around before, during,

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<v Speaker 3>and after his crime. So uh, pretty excited. I like

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<v Speaker 3>to muppetize. Everybody said, obviously Jared buffalo Jared here, I

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<v Speaker 3>got muppetized, you know what I mean. That's not that's

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<v Speaker 3>obviously not the real buffalo Jared in the picture, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. So just I just want to

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<v Speaker 3>clarify that in case anyone was confused, that's obviously not

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<v Speaker 3>the real buffalo Jared. The real buffalo Jared allegedly sits

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<v Speaker 3>today in Bridgewater Hospital and the britt the spooky Bridgewater.

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<v Speaker 2>Triangle of Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's the original buffalo Jared photo before I uh

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<v Speaker 3>muppetized him. But uh on this note, on Wednesday, Operation

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<v Speaker 3>GCD Wednesday next week, I got trouble with Waker Jona.

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<v Speaker 3>He was our guest a couple of weeks back here

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<v Speaker 3>on Friday. Another dude with a lot of details.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah he does. He has a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 3>And well he listened to my last show on idoh

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<v Speaker 3>stuff and he's like, we got to talk more about

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<v Speaker 3>all these uh Idaho white nationalist stuff that's going on there, right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's got connection to Operation pat Con from the Order.

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<v Speaker 3>The Order is Mark Mark Furman's buddies up there in

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<v Speaker 3>Hayden Lake. You know Markman from the O J case

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<v Speaker 3>and also connected to all of this mess is you

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<v Speaker 3>may be familiar with the name Israel Keys.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a serial killer. Yes, he's friends with it.

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<v Speaker 2>He grew up with the Keyho Brothers. The key Hole brother.

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<v Speaker 6>We love Oh we lost them. Glin's got Oh boy, you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Back in my back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're back and that So that'd be Wednesday, and

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<v Speaker 3>then one last plug before we get to our guest

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<v Speaker 3>here meeting Nathaniel bar Jonah, the cannibalistic kidnitdling, psychopathic serial

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<v Speaker 3>killer that I came face to face with in Great Falls,

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<v Speaker 3>Montana back in two thousand and one and may or

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<v Speaker 3>may not have eaten human meat burgers he served up

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<v Speaker 3>with the Hardy's on the late night in the summer

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<v Speaker 3>of two thousand in Great Falls, Montana. So that'll be

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<v Speaker 3>a real barn burner, real barn burner in there. That's

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks there, week from this Sunday. I like to

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<v Speaker 3>say Operation GCD Sundays is not you know, not only

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<v Speaker 3>is it just the true crime and high weirdness that

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<v Speaker 3>I've experienced throughout my adventures in life, but it's also

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<v Speaker 3>just my effort to maintain the art of Americana and storytelling,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, not just you know history, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>history will along with events that are going on in culture,

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<v Speaker 3>right And that's.

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<v Speaker 3>And on that note, I actually got a comment last

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<v Speaker 3>that one out. Damn demonic being has been cursing me

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<v Speaker 2>Fellow I've had on the show a couple of.

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<v Speaker 3>Times, ye, the nonagenarian, the ninety two or ninety three

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<v Speaker 3>John Barbara. This man us to be the personal assistant

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for one example.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's the only guy to ever put Jim Garrison

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<v Speaker 2>He did that twice.

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<v Speaker 3>He did it twice and got him fired from the

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<v Speaker 3>number one show on TV for doing so. Still still today,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that's the highest rated show in television and

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<v Speaker 3>reait like primetime television history maybe or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Real People. He created.

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<v Speaker 3>He got fired from it because he did an that

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<v Speaker 3>I think Serra nineteen seventy one. John Barber gets fired

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<v Speaker 3>for you know, putting Jim Garrison on camera. He would

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<v Speaker 3>shitty Charlton Heston film Soylent Green. So again, John Barber

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<v Speaker 3>legendary character. Folks want to hear that sale check those out.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just I appreciate the storytelling aspects of such

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<v Speaker 2>That's I don't know, that's something you enjoys kind.

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<v Speaker 5>I like the artist storytelling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like I mean, wait in a twenty fashion, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I can see that's what you're raving for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I enjoy that again.

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<v Speaker 3>John Barber is a master of that, so I recommend

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<v Speaker 3>folks check that out. But speaking of philosophers and authors

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<v Speaker 3>and storytellers, welcome Ethan Indigo, our guest tonight and fellow

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<v Speaker 2>Hi doing sir, Welcome to Fridays.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll look to you, guys day.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, and thank you for waiting twelve minutes. I

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<v Speaker 3>just realized I was meandering about too many thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>There whatever, whatever, No, thank you guys, Thank you Nick

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<v Speaker 1>and JJ for including me with all the great guests

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<v Speaker 1>and the occult intelligence of all the occult rejects. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>honored to be included and I appreciate you guys so

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been I've been hyped, I mean as much as

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<v Speaker 3>I am hype for a lot of every conversation we

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<v Speaker 3>have here on Fridays, quite honestly, But you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>exchanging ideas a lot of new folks that Nick and I.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, sometimes I schedule folks and Nick and scheduled folks,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of times we're meeting new folks.

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<v Speaker 4>But oh yeah, both of us don't even know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, exchanging new ideas with new folks, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>what we're raiming for here. And while we obviously know you,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to be exchanging a lot of new ideas

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<v Speaker 3>because I don't think we get to the depth of

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of where your head's at a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>times in the Cole Reject Show. So I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 3>to that aspect.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, you know, I'm just honored to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, communicate with you guys with your knowledge. And

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<v Speaker 1>I told you this before. When I started listening to

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, I knew you guys knew everything from oligarchy

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<v Speaker 1>to the esoteric. So really, as a lone author otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>it is my honor to be down with you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I appreciate it, sir, and you like say that

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<v Speaker 3>you're in a cult reject, but you're also an author

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<v Speaker 3>and a philosopher, so uh what uh why don't you

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<v Speaker 3>give us quick backstor in some of those activities please?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know, I the philosophy started with a

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<v Speaker 1>quite exoteric idea that I even used like the cursed

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<v Speaker 1>word patriotism in it. But I was kind of looking

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<v Speaker 1>at politics and I determined or president presented a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of formula where there were four types of people based

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<v Speaker 1>on mindset. Everyone likes to box people in and put

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<v Speaker 1>people in certain categories.

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<v Speaker 8>I find maybe I'm dealing with shallow people. I don't know, but.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty accurate, right, I mean, I think it's I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's a standard attribute of humanity, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, whether it's good or bad, I think it's often

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily good, but it's a good way. It might

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<v Speaker 1>be a good way as to initially understand someone. But

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<v Speaker 1>I formulated the idea that there were idiots, zelots, elitists,

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<v Speaker 1>and patriots that yeah, Nick had me on. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about that, and not patriot in the aspect that is

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<v Speaker 1>jingoist and state unquestioning, but patriot in the love of liberty,

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<v Speaker 1>love of country, people, place, and idea. So it started

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<v Speaker 1>from there, but then I started like contemplating, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>through the window of the allegory of the cave, which

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<v Speaker 1>people might not know the fourth character that often, But

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<v Speaker 1>there's the there's the captor who has the captives. That

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<v Speaker 1>there's two types, one chained and one unchained, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth type would be the freed prisoner. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of initially was looking at it from that realm,

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<v Speaker 1>but again very exoterically, if you will, not really looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it too deep. But then I started coming across

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<v Speaker 1>and what they call fear no or do no.

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<v Speaker 2>Evil being the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's really the only on overt topical interpretation, at least,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the only one that's sensible because he stops action.

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<v Speaker 1>It's he's fear no evil and do no evil at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. It's a kind of crossing reference of

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<v Speaker 1>both those. So when you're unafraid, you don't react is

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<v Speaker 1>So I later formulated this whole idea based on numerous

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<v Speaker 1>different fields and modalities of the matrix of four, which

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<v Speaker 1>it's I think, really enlightening. It's been a paradigm for

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, we've covered.

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<v Speaker 4>That was actually really really good. I thought that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that the matrix of four really kind of got

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<v Speaker 1>of my observation, you know, of symbolism and even the

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<v Speaker 1>eventually even noted the four dimensions of geometry of I

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<v Speaker 1>a book about the sacred geometry of the four dimensions,

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<v Speaker 1>a different set of four that is not only sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a way to comprehend meditation instruction and meditation practice,

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<v Speaker 1>but also it's almost like a I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>the four dimensions of geometry are kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>sacred geo matria in interpreting energies through the four dimensions

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<v Speaker 1>of geometry, not just physical four dimensions of geometry, but

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<v Speaker 1>the four energies of geometry having to do with point, line, plane,

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<v Speaker 1>and solid or in in meditation terms, Nick, were you

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say something?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, No, I was just saying, yeah, remember I

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<v Speaker 5>remember you saying all this one when you're when you

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<v Speaker 4>Great, that's great stuff, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. The and and really a lot of meditation practice

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<v Speaker 1>the set of for uh, that being connection in correspondence

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<v Speaker 8>Excuse me, concentration.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this point like kind of like somehow in integral

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<v Speaker 3>with time and space? Or what is the what is

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<v Speaker 3>the concept at this point you're mentioning as this fourth aspect?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the point can be anything that you're contemplating. Some

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<v Speaker 3>It just started storming here, So I was about to say,

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<v Speaker 3>do you have me hooked on these concepts?

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<v Speaker 4>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is he going to fade away like that and

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<v Speaker 8>So it can be a visual point.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people will meditate, I got a gan picture behind me.

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<v Speaker 1>You can use any number of inspiration ideas or or

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<v Speaker 1>a flame. But the idea is beyond just physical. It's

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<v Speaker 1>metaphysical too, in the sense of concentration is the energy

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<v Speaker 1>we are aligning with it with the point it represents concentration.

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<v Speaker 8>And the line.

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<v Speaker 1>The line is energy connection in meditation terms, but in

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<v Speaker 1>I don't you know, I always thought it being more

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<v Speaker 1>allegorical as describing someone's you know, uh pattern, being stuck

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<v Speaker 2>That's no, okay, so not so much.

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<v Speaker 3>It's say it's more metaphysical, because would say, didn't Giudorno

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<v Speaker 3>Bruno kind of come up with a similar kind of

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've I I don't know about that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>know there is definitely different physics connections to the point

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<v Speaker 1>line planes and idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Tend I was, I was just going for now, it's

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<v Speaker 1>I stayed away from the stayed away from the quantum

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<v Speaker 1>I do know about the quantum is that even that

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<v Speaker 1>this infinite quartered super small particle I believe when they

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<v Speaker 8>But it is interesting that that they chose the four.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, there's there's concentration and connection, and then there's circulation.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, a big part of energy systems, taichi especially

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<v Speaker 1>is about moving energy in the body or moving idea

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<v Speaker 1>within the mind, right, learning to not be stuck on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I saw some stuff. I guess I don't really

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<v Speaker 3>understand what tachi is. If I may just interject for

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<v Speaker 3>at least an explanation for me in any other folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like really excited to share tai chi and tai

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<v Speaker 1>chi ideas. It's often it's often known for being woo

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<v Speaker 1>really tight chi is yep, yep, that's uh, that's taichi

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<v Speaker 1>and h like tahoe nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to say, yeah, my apologies, it was

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<v Speaker 2>on your website. I thought maybe that was a demonstrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for saying that. That's I mean, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is tricky, but no, you can share it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't trying to offend you. I really don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what she is.

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<v Speaker 3>When you say it's when you say it's w woo,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that's that's my understanding of it. Sure, No, No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's known known as wu w's because it's that's my

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<v Speaker 3>commonplace understanding of yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually yeah, and it is.

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<v Speaker 8>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a compliment from my tai chi teacher on

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<v Speaker 1>my double lotus kick here.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm about to ask you what what what exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's that's a double lotus kick that's in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of Actually it's spelled Wu. That's a Wu

453
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<v Speaker 1>family form, so it's not wo woo, it's wu w

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<v Speaker 1>u like Wu tang, which they they they're expressing their

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<v Speaker 1>correspondence with the kung fu flicks which we're mimicking and

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<v Speaker 1>using Wu Dang Mountain kung fu. Gung fu, all of

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<v Speaker 1>kung fu is actually self development practice. Gung means energy work,

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<v Speaker 1>and fu is like you know what a what's your thing?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your self development practice? So tai chi is a

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<v Speaker 1>gung fu and different, uh you know things from these

461
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<v Speaker 1>kung fu flicks of course, praying mantis. So all different

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<v Speaker 1>styles down like something from a movie, are actually foundational

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<v Speaker 1>gung fu in in terms of self development practice.

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<v Speaker 3>Please please sure, No, I know that's a good way

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<v Speaker 3>to understand. I understand what you're saying there as far

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<v Speaker 3>as the self development stuff goes. We have a question

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<v Speaker 3>from the chat and it's kind of where my head's

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<v Speaker 3>at too, because so this is not a tai Chi

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<v Speaker 3>is a fluid movements. These aren't poses, right, So this

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<v Speaker 3>is not a yoga posting. You're kicking stuff here. You're

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<v Speaker 3>not just like lifting your leg up and holding your

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<v Speaker 3>arms up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>This is an action move, right. They just happened to

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<v Speaker 3>to get a still shot of you right in.

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<v Speaker 8>No, that's a that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not be able to hold that as a

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<v Speaker 1>still posture yet.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm working on it.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, the idea of the form practice is actually.

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<v Speaker 1>That it is made up of postures. So each of

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<v Speaker 1>fluid movement of the form, often they are noted to

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<v Speaker 1>be one hundred and eight movements. Each of these movements

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<v Speaker 1>are a posture, and so they can each be practiced

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<v Speaker 1>in their fullness as a posture, as a standing meditation.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of zen, anything zen that we might repeat

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<v Speaker 1>it actually comes from a chigung tai chi meditation that

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<v Speaker 1>is a still posture, that is thes a meditation.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm tracking there, so I appreciate this explanation. So

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm understanding that is this is kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>derivative of Taoism.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is actually not. Chi gung is thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and there are different chi gungs. Which gung

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<v Speaker 1>means development, she means our energy, but more literally, it

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<v Speaker 1>actually means compressed air. So like what are these jackhammers?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a chi hammer, right, So chi at its

497
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<v Speaker 1>most basic fundamental can be understood as compressed air. But

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<v Speaker 1>it is of course energy and so forth.

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<v Speaker 8>But so a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Tai chi is really uh and tai Chi. The name

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<v Speaker 1>is actually a misnomer. It's really taiji Juan. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>tai chi.

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<v Speaker 8>That's a misnomer.

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<v Speaker 1>But taiji jwan does work on our energy system. I

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<v Speaker 1>know of really hardly any people that practice taichi as

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<v Speaker 1>a martial art. It is practed as a chi development

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<v Speaker 1>art that might coincide with their martial art that might

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<v Speaker 1>make any number of things they do better. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ways to look at it is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the best martial art. It makes your martial

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<v Speaker 1>art or your thing better. So yeah, it's it's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not as old as a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>chi gun. It is in fact related to many different things. Taoism,

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<v Speaker 1>you might find, some Buddhism, you might find again the

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<v Speaker 1>one O eight. As as the gentleman mentions the importance

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<v Speaker 1>of one O eight with the molds, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>can well well one zero eight is. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of metaphysical and mathematical components of one zero eight, but

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<v Speaker 1>its most fundamental is what the gentleman noted about. There

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<v Speaker 1>being one hundred and eight beads on a japamala, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the prayer beads of the Buddhist monks. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they will utilize a pattern that goes one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eight this way and then one hundred and eight this way,

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<v Speaker 1>because that way they can remember is it three or

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred or three or four thousand and one hundred?

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<v Speaker 1>Will they know because at this ending it's even, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the next ending it's odd. And there is actually

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<v Speaker 1>the rajah maala on the Japamala beads, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ninth bead, which is the king bead,

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<v Speaker 1>and the point from which you start to go backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>The the Tibetans, certainly, and many other countries I could presume,

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<v Speaker 1>have people that have become obsessed with meditation practice via

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<v Speaker 1>numb counting out the number of monstra repetitions. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's necessarily the end all be all of meditation,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is used with with monks like you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do certain mantra repetitions through through the uh Japamolla cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>and one hundred repetitions are counted, not one and eight

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<v Speaker 1>eight are.

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<v Speaker 8>Used to.

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<v Speaker 1>Were they're presumed mistakes as they incite the marchra vocally

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<v Speaker 1>or internally, and or used for the benefit of others,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a really beautiful concept.

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<v Speaker 2>So they kind of built in some wiggle room.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, if you say the expression rom you got

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<v Speaker 1>you got eight extra credits. All.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all very interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, I'm vaguely familiar with some of these

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<v Speaker 3>topics and you know, subjects like my well, I say

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<v Speaker 3>vaguely familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>When I lived I was I lived in Washington, D C.

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<v Speaker 3>For a number of years when I was in the

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<v Speaker 3>Air Force, I was station for almost seven years. One

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<v Speaker 3>point in time, I lived in an apartment. Out in

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<v Speaker 3>front of my apartment, every day this old chinaman probably

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<v Speaker 3>in his I mean he looked like he was eighty,

556
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<v Speaker 3>but he's probably one hundred and twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>He would be he would be doing tight she had.

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<v Speaker 3>On the sidewalk every morning and I'm like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 3>what's this dudeent like like six in the morning. So

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<v Speaker 3>this dude was dedicated to you know. But again he

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<v Speaker 3>looks younger than I'm sure what he was, and he

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<v Speaker 3>moved very well. Speaking to this movement and flow of

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<v Speaker 3>energy you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, especially as we get older, there's something

565
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<v Speaker 1>really beneficial to the formula of tai Chi movement, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is why it's the world's most popular martial art.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, it's not practiced as a martial art,

568
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<v Speaker 1>but in fact, because it's so good for people, it

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<v Speaker 1>is now the first, excuse me, the most widely practiced

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<v Speaker 1>martial art in the world. Not that all these people

571
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<v Speaker 1>are martial artists, right, but it's we're lucky that we

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<v Speaker 1>have it and a lot of the healing arts from

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<v Speaker 1>China because it and many other things were almost and

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<v Speaker 1>many things were totally eliminated during the Cultural Revolution. In fact,

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00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>taichi and its relations are so good for even a starving, malnourished,

576
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<v Speaker 1>oppressed society that they couldn't get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 8>They had to boost it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it was one of the few things that

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<v Speaker 1>has this rich history of ancient Chinese culture that they

580
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<v Speaker 1>didn't and really couldn't get rid of.

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<v Speaker 8>So that's neat. But yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Really about moving in a manner that I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is what it's really about. When people say that there's

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<v Speaker 1>wu wu to it, I think that they're totally wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are wu wu practitioners. I would never

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<v Speaker 1>promote myself as a martial artist that's you know, looking

587
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<v Speaker 1>to use tai chi or x y Z. But it

588
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<v Speaker 1>is a wonderful way to benefit our health and even

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue balance our emotional mental state. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>like all these benefits. I kind of refer to to

591
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.319
<v Speaker 1>it a second best for everything. Like you could see

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<v Speaker 1>a therapist, that's probably your best route if you have

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<v Speaker 1>something related to that, or practice taichi that's close second. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you could do yoga, that's the best way to get

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00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 1>limber taichi close second. You could you should use weights

596
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:24.800
<v Speaker 1>to get your muscle mass taichi close second, And we

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<v Speaker 1>could go on and not so. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>You've done a number of studies across the spectrum of

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<v Speaker 3>these activities. As I as I familiarize myself with some

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<v Speaker 3>of your work and your blog and your books, what

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<v Speaker 3>you're describing you've outlined, it seems, and what you're describing

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<v Speaker 3>I see in the details of your titles and description

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<v Speaker 3>of your of your books that I have not read

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<v Speaker 3>and I will certainly be familiarizing myself with in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>But it seems like you've done a great study in

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<v Speaker 3>this season. How long how long you've been working on

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<v Speaker 3>these matters? You know, when your brain on paper.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my I'm not sure when I authored my

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<v Speaker 1>first book, I offhand, but I had been writing quite

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<v Speaker 1>a lot at even twenty eleven. I think I had

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<v Speaker 1>written one or two books around twenty eleven. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>that because it was Fukushima occurred. Then that was I started.

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<v Speaker 1>I started writing as much as a neophyte absurdist like

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<v Speaker 1>myself could. I started writing and researching on the nuclear experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>So that sticks out to me. But it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit before then, I was. I was already writing. Then

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say there's one, please go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I was just saying, that's awesome. I see

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<v Speaker 2>you've even published things on Gaya.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how that happened.

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<v Speaker 9>I feel like one or two. Well, actually it was

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<v Speaker 9>I believe through the one o eight book. There was

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<v Speaker 9>a festival that came through the Tahoe area called one

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<v Speaker 9>oh eight Wonder Wanderlust and and they were quite popular

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<v Speaker 9>and successful at one point in time then COVID hit.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know where they're.

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<v Speaker 1>At now, if they even existed a big way, if

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<v Speaker 1>they're even doing festivals. They had multiple things going on

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<v Speaker 1>with their yoga studio and different contributors to what they

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<v Speaker 1>were writing, and at one point I don't know how

631
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<v Speaker 1>it happened, But at one point they offered me the

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<v Speaker 1>position to do something with the festival, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>quickly renagged. They quickly renagged.

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<v Speaker 8>I wasn't the right one for some reason, but there was.

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<v Speaker 1>I did get a few articles on there at that particular.

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<v Speaker 8>Point in time there.

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<v Speaker 1>I got somehow the nicety of the inclusion there.

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<v Speaker 8>That's how I think it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, show up one day, You're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on guy, or do they give your heads up?

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<v Speaker 2>Or what are we talking?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, uh yeah, oh yeah for sure, yeah yeah,

643
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<v Speaker 1>And you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna get a lot You're gonna get a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>visibility on Guy with these topics.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, this is right in their wheelhouse, right, Yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Would think, but most people are more into yoga. And

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<v Speaker 1>why is he yoga more popular than taichi yoga pants?

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<v Speaker 4>I was yo. If you didn't say that, I was

650
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<v Speaker 4>going to say that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was gonna be like, it's even it just

652
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<v Speaker 2>sounds like you just reality looks likes.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, no, you you.

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<v Speaker 1>Look really bad. I don't know about women, but you can't.

655
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<v Speaker 1>You can't do tai chi without some loose pants. It

656
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<v Speaker 1>really really adds to the whole aesthetics.

657
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so now it sounds like you invented taichi Borghini bottoms.

658
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're like pants.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the loose rules of tai chi is that

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<v Speaker 1>they're is not martial measurement belts, but one should wear

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<v Speaker 1>loose clothes and have a loose belt.

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<v Speaker 8>So yeah, jumpsuits.

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<v Speaker 1>Jumpsuits are really the way like in modern times. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say a chemical aspect in my anecdotal

665
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<v Speaker 1>experience of the benefits of tai chi again not I'm

666
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<v Speaker 1>not trying to create fires with my hands. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain stability in the war world.

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<v Speaker 3>And the masters are the same thing you're saying with

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<v Speaker 3>with the that's the extremest version of this leology, right

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<v Speaker 3>or philosophy, right.

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<v Speaker 1>The the the dope thing about taichi is that there

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<v Speaker 1>is no limitation, there's no belt. It does. You do

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<v Speaker 1>not reach a point of ultimate refinement.

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<v Speaker 8>You keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's really in that sense, it's not saying what

676
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<v Speaker 1>you can and can't do, right, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I understand that aspect. But you know what I'm

678
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<v Speaker 3>talking about. You see these I'm not a martial artist.

679
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<v Speaker 3>I am a fan of martial arts, and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm a Scott's Irish Cherokee fellow. In Scotland, our

681
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<v Speaker 3>martial arts are called fuck you and it's mainly just

682
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<v Speaker 3>headbutting your opponent. Yeah, to a joke from so I

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<v Speaker 3>married an axe men coming up this month as the

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<v Speaker 3>Operation g c D Occult Neessitary film Review, I had

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<v Speaker 3>apologize how to plug that. You've seen these videos where

686
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<v Speaker 3>you see the the chigong master versus a martial arts master,

687
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<v Speaker 3>and you know they're trying to shoot the dude just

688
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<v Speaker 3>like karate chop and it's game over.

689
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<v Speaker 8>Sure, I've seen tons of those.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't look for them, nor it's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>the martial.

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<v Speaker 8>Arts that I might look at in in total either,

693
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<v Speaker 8>But say you.

694
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<v Speaker 2>Could that be real?

695
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<v Speaker 1>Well, there are definitely stories from legit martial artists of

696
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<v Speaker 1>legit tight practitioners that are many years older than them.

697
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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't determine their age and much smaller than them.

698
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<v Speaker 3>And he was super small and super older than me.

699
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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't quite determine his age.

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<v Speaker 1>There there is uh a reason for them. Yeah, there's

701
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<v Speaker 1>there's a reason.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, no, I I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I would no, I apologize. I'm

704
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<v Speaker 2>into the idea.

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<v Speaker 8>The idea, No, don't apologize, this is great.

706
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<v Speaker 1>I would always do a simple thing rather than a

707
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.199
<v Speaker 1>tai chi move. I would never ever have a plan

708
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<v Speaker 1>in a moment of confrontation. I would respond, in fact,

709
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<v Speaker 1>that the taichi theory is to not act first, but

710
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<v Speaker 1>arrive first.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, So I mean you could get into the martial.

712
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<v Speaker 3>Aspects the principle for me real quick. That gets that

713
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<v Speaker 3>got that my brain all real fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, you if someone goes to punch you and

715
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<v Speaker 1>disengage their action by getting to them first.

716
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<v Speaker 8>So tai chi.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's well.

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<v Speaker 1>The philosophy certainly, absolutely, yes, Yes, the philosophy and the

719
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>classical depiction of tai chi would be yielding to an

720
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<v Speaker 1>attacker and yielding to them ending up on the floor.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a great way to deal with bad energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm highly skeptical of steven S, but there is

723
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<v Speaker 1>if you look at his past, he definitely had some interesting.

724
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<v Speaker 8>Teachings.

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<v Speaker 1>He was, he was in Japan, he was, he was

726
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.400
<v Speaker 1>going to places, and it might have all been you know,

727
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<v Speaker 1>fame oriented. I know he works, he's like getting medals

728
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<v Speaker 1>from Russia and hanging out with He's there, right, Yeah,

729
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<v Speaker 1>he's he's number one, weighed and measured number.

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<v Speaker 2>One, exactly right. I think he isn't he? Him and

731
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<v Speaker 2>his ex wife got super fat? Remember how hot she was?

732
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<v Speaker 1>Vaguely, vaguely I'll bring up like.

733
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<v Speaker 3>Kelly the Brock anyway, they're yeah, they're both married at

734
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<v Speaker 3>that time.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at him now they're both three hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, yeah, well, you know all does.

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<v Speaker 2>Some tai cheese stuff, right, is my thinking of something?

738
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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 8>I think he is like Keto focused.

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<v Speaker 2>Take You're right, You're right, You're right.

741
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<v Speaker 3>But if you ask him, if you ask him, he's

742
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<v Speaker 3>been doing tai chi for one hundred years though, if

743
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<v Speaker 3>you asked.

744
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<v Speaker 2>Him, Yeah, like I'm an expert. I've been doing it

745
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<v Speaker 2>for hunt.

746
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<v Speaker 1>Yes that is true, Yes, yeah, yeah, always he may

747
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but again your.

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<v Speaker 2>First crush, my bad. I apologize, I'm I'm interrupting the conversation.

749
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<v Speaker 4>Or just I read it that way too. I realized

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<v Speaker 4>it was.

751
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<v Speaker 8>Always priced for.

752
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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen have you seen pictures over now? Please continue,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bring the.

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<v Speaker 1>Photo so I don't I distrust you know, a lot

755
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<v Speaker 1>of the depictions, whether they're on one side of the spectrum,

756
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<v Speaker 1>or other of tai chi as it being totally bogus

757
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 1>or as it being totally great. We'll see, I think,

758
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<v Speaker 1>and the expression is in taichi. It is not the style.

759
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, I practice Wu style. It's not the style,

760
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:29.599
<v Speaker 1>it's the practitioner. So I think a really amazing thing

761
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<v Speaker 1>about tai chi. That's anecdotal understanding, But in my interpretation,

762
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<v Speaker 1>it helps to increase these beneficial chemicals that are chemically

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<v Speaker 1>and physically measured in the notion of the Runners High.

764
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<v Speaker 1>And it's not the same, it's not the same chemical

765
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<v Speaker 1>reaction or response that we engage in practicing the same

766
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<v Speaker 1>it's in fact, a much my newt amount of the

767
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<v Speaker 1>same creation of the chemicals. Right, Runner High is this

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<v Speaker 1>much chemicals? Taichi practice this much because we kind of

769
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<v Speaker 1>use our imagination, which is a you know, as a

770
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<v Speaker 1>very silly aspect to it.

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<v Speaker 8>But it's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Really chemical influential, powerful device in the terms of getting

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<v Speaker 1>that taking on the bear, or taking on your nemesis

774
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<v Speaker 1>that has been long your nemesis or your new nemesis,

775
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<v Speaker 1>or your least favorite politician, and that creates a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of Runners high chemical creation. Except you don't need

777
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<v Speaker 1>hardly energy of it, so you you create this really

778
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.599
<v Speaker 1>beneficial chemical composition that is preparing your body to prepare

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<v Speaker 1>from running and fighting a bear right, running from and

780
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<v Speaker 1>fighting with a bear right?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually not is that one of the key principles then,

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<v Speaker 3>So like that's the idea is to train your mind

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<v Speaker 3>while doing these these movements.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know necessarily if this is widely expressed, but

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of tai chi is getting high off

786
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<v Speaker 1>your own supply, off your own biological chemical creation. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh so we're we're really generating all this positive chemical forces,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet we're at the same contrast putting our body

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<v Speaker 1>in a really relaxed state that these chemicals can circulate

790
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<v Speaker 1>better and thus have a better effect. So it's a

791
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<v Speaker 1>really powerful thing. If you want to use it for

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<v Speaker 1>martial arts, like Mike is talking about, you just include

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<v Speaker 1>it with a more yang force practice. Tai Chi is

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<v Speaker 1>definitely more yin oriented the internal, the softness. I have

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<v Speaker 1>definitely had teachers and fellow practitioners that in the two

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<v Speaker 1>person practice called pushing hands, there is an element of

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<v Speaker 1>empty force where you try the more you might try

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<v Speaker 1>to engage force upon them, the more they disappear on

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<v Speaker 1>you and you have to be really grounded and not lean.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's interesting dealing with a tai chi practitioner.

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<v Speaker 8>It's very not fake.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's just say that interesting. So here's a question for me,

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<v Speaker 3>the comes of mind. So we mentioned the comparison or not,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, not relative but not the same as yoga,

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<v Speaker 3>but almost like in the same accomplishing the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Tasks or goals as you would through yoga, different practice.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So I've been I've been doing yoga for a while,

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<v Speaker 3>following the practices and teachings in my group Guru Diamond

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<v Speaker 3>Dallas Page GDP Yoga.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I do enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know. Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 8>Are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a former w w F A wrestler, dude, who uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you know he's created this it's a great

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<v Speaker 3>yoga program. I am being half serious and half half kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you couldn't find the difference. That's what I

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<v Speaker 3>was saying for.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I never got into wrestling, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I heard this dude story about how he help this

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<v Speaker 3>yoga stuff to overcome some injuries and stuff, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I I've done before, doing it a game right

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<v Speaker 3>now to overcome another injury. I just recently had so

825
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<v Speaker 3>blew up my neck a couple of times this year,

826
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<v Speaker 3>dislocated my jaw earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 2>That was fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I always always a good time done that before, played

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<v Speaker 3>that game. Uh bringing up a dog fight, Damn dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyhow, you know, I would be you know, so

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<v Speaker 3>would this be a proper substitute in place of my

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<v Speaker 3>guru's teachings DDP yoga?

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<v Speaker 1>I would, honestly, I always recommend integrating your past practices

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<v Speaker 1>and your current knowledge and everything you know about your

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<v Speaker 1>your lifestyle, whether it's playing baseball and sliding into bases

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<v Speaker 1>or dealing with insensitive creatures on two legs. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>really helpful, and it's one of the most integrative practices.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I practice yoga every day, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>most yogis don't call what I practice yoga.

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<v Speaker 8>But I don't know what to call it.

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<v Speaker 1>You could call it nadon or different different chigong maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's I highly recommend this. It's super vigorous and

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<v Speaker 1>really empowering. The five rights.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, I go ahead. My lag time order is terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>even go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>The five Tibetan Rights of rejuvenation are super simple, powerful

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<v Speaker 1>practice you know, kind of has like a legend out

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<v Speaker 1>of an old book. And uh, I think it might

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<v Speaker 1>be from Nepal or Bruton. But but the exact origination

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<v Speaker 1>of it is is non is non determinative. But really

851
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:38.039
<v Speaker 1>this is.

852
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh, my apologize, my signal is terrible. We got a

853
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:43.760
<v Speaker 2>storm going here. Now.

854
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:46.480
<v Speaker 3>This is not like a you don't go to. This

855
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.239
<v Speaker 3>is nothing that you go to a class necessarily did do.

856
00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:51.159
<v Speaker 3>This is something you've you've again, you've studied through some

857
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, some practition you know of some old Tibetan

858
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:56.920
<v Speaker 3>you know practice.

859
00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Is that what I'm hearing?

860
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:03.320
<v Speaker 1>It is in fact so simple that there's no real

861
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:10.800
<v Speaker 1>instruction needed, especially when you have earlier prior yoga experience

862
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:16.280
<v Speaker 1>and even sport kinetic knowledge of body work like it is.

863
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 1>It is yoga movements that you've likely done before, if

864
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:24.280
<v Speaker 1>you practice yoga before. So it's in fact, I think

865
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a big reason why it is not taught is because

866
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.559
<v Speaker 1>it's so simple and powerful and and just like, oh

867
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to learn again, it's not it's not

868
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:37.119
<v Speaker 1>like hot yoga where you need to figure it out,

869
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:40.639
<v Speaker 1>or different different cycles where you need to figure it out.

870
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.400
<v Speaker 1>It's really just five movements done in repetition and a

871
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It's like the most simple thing, but it's really yang.

872
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:54.960
<v Speaker 1>It's really powerful. I find it. I'm basically dependent on

873
00:51:55.079 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 1>it to start the day. I'm back taichi. Sorry, no, no.

874
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:09.119
<v Speaker 1>The taichi is a really great way to soften the body.

875
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Another thing I've experienced is a whole different way I

876
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:18.920
<v Speaker 1>might deal with gravity, even the gravity of someone pushing

877
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:23.800
<v Speaker 1>me or trying to topple me over. We don't realize

878
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:30.480
<v Speaker 1>how mechanical and square we often move when we're actually

879
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:34.760
<v Speaker 1>meant to be more circular, or more circular movements might

880
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:40.519
<v Speaker 1>be more powerful in dealing with different aspects of gravity.

881
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Certainly not all, but it really changes the way you

882
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:51.239
<v Speaker 1>might deflect incoming energy, for instance, or a fall. And

883
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.360
<v Speaker 1>it teaches people how to walk. You'd be surprised how

884
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 1>much I've shared tai chi and I talk about remember

885
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:03.599
<v Speaker 1>to when we're walking we step heel first and and

886
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:07.719
<v Speaker 1>not and make sure to not catch our toes. And

887
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:09.679
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are like, wow, I never thought

888
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:14.119
<v Speaker 1>about that. I needed that, And and so it's it's like,

889
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:19.239
<v Speaker 1>really simple, but it's really I wouldn't say complicated, but

890
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 1>refined as well. But yeah, it has. It has so

891
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:27.400
<v Speaker 1>many positive effects, and that's why it's popular. Not the

892
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:34.199
<v Speaker 1>Wu i swear, and there are notorious wu practice uh

893
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:39.119
<v Speaker 1>woosters out there. I'm sure, definitely in yoga, and definitely

894
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>in kung fu and so forth, but it's really meant

895
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:47.880
<v Speaker 1>to be practiced alone. And that's maybe the complication of

896
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.199
<v Speaker 1>sharing tai chi is that people really have to do

897
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it themselves, right, like.

898
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Understanding, Yeah, yeah.

899
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Well it's it's interesting how much you can think about.

900
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 1>When you're learning about just a really simple articulation, you

901
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:16.360
<v Speaker 1>might realize how clumsy you're moving. When you try to

902
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.960
<v Speaker 1>mimic a refined movement that you're learning, you realize how

903
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:24.480
<v Speaker 1>much that you can refine. Not that we are all clumsy,

904
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:31.199
<v Speaker 1>but we're actually all athletes, right.

905
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:30.639
<v Speaker 2>So I understand what you're saying, but I mean I

906
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:32.360
<v Speaker 2>always land on my feet.

907
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 1>That's tai Chi is all about the feline energy and

908
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:44.679
<v Speaker 1>notoriously attracts the cats. They and animals I find they

909
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:49.599
<v Speaker 1>love to observe humans practicing tai chi, and they.

910
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.559
<v Speaker 8>Almost are like, this is what humans do?

911
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:57.800
<v Speaker 1>They just are kind of it is a weird, weird

912
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:05.760
<v Speaker 1>response to almost honestly, we were just walking firmly. Yeah,

913
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:13.199
<v Speaker 1>that's interesting, right, we're usually walking for apologize, no, no,

914
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.599
<v Speaker 1>this is this is great because we're usually walking firmly,

915
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:20.440
<v Speaker 1>or maybe we don't even walk, and the animal just

916
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:24.400
<v Speaker 1>sees a human kind of swimming in the air. And

917
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:27.519
<v Speaker 1>it's very bird like too. The birds are like, is

918
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:32.440
<v Speaker 1>he can he fly? So, I mean it's a really

919
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:39.880
<v Speaker 1>like amazing chemical process. And yeah, it's got, it's got

920
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:42.840
<v Speaker 1>just really it's the one thing in the world that

921
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I found no hangover, I'll benefit interesting.

922
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate those comparisons.

923
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.400
<v Speaker 3>I I I definitely enjoyed, uh you know, break the

924
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:55.360
<v Speaker 3>breakdown there. I thought you were gonna tell me that

925
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:59.079
<v Speaker 3>at one point your your yoga guru was a macho man,

926
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.639
<v Speaker 3>Randy Savage, and I was gonna obviously sign up for

927
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:03.800
<v Speaker 3>that program.

928
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I did of my wander.

929
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:14.800
<v Speaker 4>You know, he's he's boys, he's he was the boys

930
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:15.440
<v Speaker 4>wonder lust.

931
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I met some kind of sorry, well I lagging now, sorry,

932
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.920
<v Speaker 1>that's right, Sorry, what did just what do you want

933
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:24.440
<v Speaker 1>to say? I?

934
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Uh, macho man was friends with Marielon le Manson.

935
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Come on.

936
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:29.679
<v Speaker 4>Was he really no.

937
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:34.079
<v Speaker 5>You can find picture of them together. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

938
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.159
<v Speaker 5>I think there was a special. There was like a

939
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.360
<v Speaker 5>wrestling special that was going on for like a few

940
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:42.559
<v Speaker 5>months or they're like doing like certain wrestlers, and I

941
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:44.480
<v Speaker 5>think there was like they were even showing that he

942
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.800
<v Speaker 5>was friends with them and stuff. I think they were like, oh, oh,

943
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:49.559
<v Speaker 5>you know he was friends with you know, like showing

944
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:51.960
<v Speaker 5>his wide range of like you know people he was

945
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:53.599
<v Speaker 5>friends within, how he could fit into everywhere.

946
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:55.559
<v Speaker 4>I think they even like showed like from this to

947
00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:00.880
<v Speaker 4>that whatever that was.

948
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 2>He was a hell of an athlete.

949
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:04.840
<v Speaker 3>But he was also held a coked obviously too, so

950
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:06.480
<v Speaker 3>I could see where him and old Marilyn Manson might

951
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:06.880
<v Speaker 3>get along.

952
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:12.679
<v Speaker 1>There you go. I was gonna say, I've met some

953
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:19.599
<v Speaker 1>uh and experienced classes with some you know, uh famous yogi's,

954
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean famous in there in the yoga field. But

955
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 1>in my experience, my tai chi teachers have always been

956
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:34.639
<v Speaker 1>like Yoda, like I found you, like, you know, it's

957
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.360
<v Speaker 1>it's really hard to find a tai chi teacher.

958
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.480
<v Speaker 8>Let's just say it's it's a.

959
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:46.519
<v Speaker 1>It's really beneficial, but there's a few and far between

960
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the people practice and teach.

961
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.639
<v Speaker 3>It and and why do you think that is? Is

962
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:53.840
<v Speaker 3>it's just a loll start from an older generation or

963
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:55.880
<v Speaker 3>what not. Not no one's appreciating anymore.

964
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.320
<v Speaker 4>I think you might have lost you And.

965
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Is that a lost art said?

966
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's you know, it's the difficulty of

967
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.880
<v Speaker 1>doing the internal work, like here's the here's the work

968
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:19.760
<v Speaker 1>you gotta do, and and you got to do homework.

969
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:22.320
<v Speaker 1>You should work your way up from twenty minutes a

970
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.280
<v Speaker 1>day to an hour and and I'll see you next week.

971
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we can nail them with that personal development, right.

972
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:29.679
<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's a big limiting.

973
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Factor for folks too distracted.

974
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:38.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.

975
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, definitely, it's it's I think, I mean, it's

976
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:48.039
<v Speaker 1>hard for us all to take on in total, it's

977
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:51.800
<v Speaker 1>almost like a system. It's like a system of self

978
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:55.639
<v Speaker 1>development in a lot of ways, and and with no

979
00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:00.360
<v Speaker 1>set course or end results necessarily, But it works like.

980
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.159
<v Speaker 8>The layering of a phone book.

981
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, every day you practice is like a piece of

982
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.000
<v Speaker 1>paper on a phone book, and then eventually it's resilient.

983
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:16.679
<v Speaker 1>So it's a very subtle way to develop. But I

984
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:20.840
<v Speaker 1>find all these people have like such all these people

985
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:24.280
<v Speaker 1>as we get older, there are all these potential problems

986
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:27.519
<v Speaker 1>that are like, wait, this subtle thing, this subtle little problem,

987
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.199
<v Speaker 1>and so taichi just helps with subtle things.

988
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think we may like Stevens to go and

989
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:34.199
<v Speaker 3>let him know about that, because you were mentioned the

990
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:36.960
<v Speaker 3>things about gravity and the subtle change over time and

991
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.360
<v Speaker 3>your elderly So this is the lovely problem Kelly LeBrock

992
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.880
<v Speaker 3>and Steven Sigldmary there in the nineties. Now, I guess

993
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:46.159
<v Speaker 3>I should do her an apology. She has a low

994
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:48.000
<v Speaker 3>some weight and it looks a lot better than her

995
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:49.840
<v Speaker 3>ex husband does healthwise.

996
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:51.800
<v Speaker 2>But obviously she she was.

997
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:53.639
<v Speaker 3>You know, a little bit bigger than this from some

998
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:57.199
<v Speaker 3>tabloid photos of recall, but this is her in recent years. Obviously,

999
00:59:57.199 --> 00:59:59.119
<v Speaker 3>this is her in Weird Science. That's a pretty for

1000
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:03.559
<v Speaker 3>any gents of our generations. Is pretty legendary scene and Tom.

1001
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:04.119
<v Speaker 2>I believe.

1002
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:07.440
<v Speaker 8>Epic movie because of her.

1003
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:12.079
<v Speaker 3>Well that you know that. And Bill Paxton, not Bill Pulman.

1004
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.199
<v Speaker 3>I think, I don't think it's Bill Paxston. He gets

1005
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:16.119
<v Speaker 3>turned into a turret, giant turret. I mean, who's not

1006
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:17.719
<v Speaker 3>gonna remember that? That's that's hilarious.

1007
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:21.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was classic at the.

1008
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:26.280
<v Speaker 2>End, great film. Great film.

1009
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.199
<v Speaker 3>So Steven Saghal obviously looks like not only did he

1010
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:31.840
<v Speaker 3>eat the old Steven Sagal, but he's eating that Steven

1011
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Sagall as well.

1012
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Sgal is eating to achieve this. I mean, look

1013
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 2>how fat he is, dude? Wow?

1014
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.119
<v Speaker 4>Eating two of them?

1015
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my look how I mean? Look how fatty is

1016
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:47.559
<v Speaker 2>This is in Russia, by the way.

1017
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.119
<v Speaker 3>He's the king over there, I think, yeah, he is.

1018
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:55.920
<v Speaker 2>What is going on with that hairline? What is happening here?

1019
01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:59.079
<v Speaker 2>That's great? Obviously a right.

1020
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.719
<v Speaker 4>That I think actually get it shaped up?

1021
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:04.239
<v Speaker 5>Noticed that they might shave it in.

1022
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.559
<v Speaker 1>He Oh that's total No, that's total implants or yea

1023
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:10.960
<v Speaker 1>or something.

1024
01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:13.480
<v Speaker 3>I would argue him and travolt to go to the

1025
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:17.239
<v Speaker 3>same wig guy. Travolta rocks a very similar wig situation.

1026
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it really kind of expresses to me a

1027
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.760
<v Speaker 1>little bit of self doubt when he's like, hey, we're

1028
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:29.719
<v Speaker 1>all getting old and obviously you can't hide your belly there, sir,

1029
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Like why are you worried about? Like, don't don't wear

1030
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 1>it out, dude, wear at or wear it out like

1031
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:36.559
<v Speaker 1>no one wants to see that.

1032
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:42.280
<v Speaker 3>Like I tell you look at you, man, this is

1033
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:44.239
<v Speaker 3>this is what Travoltz looks like without his wig on.

1034
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:52.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh ship, it looks fine.

1035
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:54.360
<v Speaker 8>He looks real at least whatever.

1036
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Right, But I'm saying recent years has been going wigless

1037
01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:56.880
<v Speaker 2>you know what?

1038
01:01:58.559 --> 01:01:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

1039
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:02.599
<v Speaker 8>I just just being real is great.

1040
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:09.679
<v Speaker 2>But I mean I wed with his wigs, right, Yeah, it's.

1041
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:11.360
<v Speaker 8>Very very starting.

1042
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Look at that. You look like a complete weird. I

1043
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:14.360
<v Speaker 2>put in a wig on like that if you asked me.

1044
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:20.519
<v Speaker 3>But it has that same and when it's he has

1045
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:22.840
<v Speaker 3>a different wig that's very short hair and it looks

1046
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:24.719
<v Speaker 3>a lot like the one that it's the gold Rocks

1047
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:25.119
<v Speaker 3>as well.

1048
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:31.239
<v Speaker 2>But on that note, yeah, I mean that is that

1049
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:36.239
<v Speaker 2>way that's less worse. Well, I'll find you the bad

1050
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.480
<v Speaker 2>one on that. Now, look how fat this dude has gotten.

1051
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.480
<v Speaker 2>This is supposed to be some sort of martial artists.

1052
01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Are you telling me that?

1053
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Now? Well, there is there is the idea in Ikdo

1054
01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:54.599
<v Speaker 1>of the practitioner and his OK. The UK is the

1055
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:58.239
<v Speaker 1>guy that gets thrown around, and that might be a

1056
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:01.519
<v Speaker 1>good phase of learning in practice to learn how to

1057
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:05.840
<v Speaker 1>tumble and so forth, but it's not the pattern that

1058
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:09.320
<v Speaker 1>one wants to be in as a as a martial artist.

1059
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:14.360
<v Speaker 1>The UK is basically taking that turn into a flip

1060
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:16.760
<v Speaker 1>and flop, so you don't want.

1061
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:16.880
<v Speaker 2>To be there.

1062
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:20.679
<v Speaker 3>I think Steven sig misunderstood that and he thought they

1063
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:25.800
<v Speaker 3>said dukie because he looks pretty duky.

1064
01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:29.760
<v Speaker 2>So so look, how weird this this moy is. You

1065
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.440
<v Speaker 2>see what I'm talking about? That kind of weird look

1066
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:36.079
<v Speaker 2>similar to to the to the cigar. I've been trying.

1067
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.239
<v Speaker 3>I've been tracking this dude's activities for many years. He's

1068
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:39.280
<v Speaker 3>a complete weirddo.

1069
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

1070
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:47.639
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what Steven Saguld does in life,

1071
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:50.079
<v Speaker 3>but I cannot imagine it's anything normal, right, that isn't

1072
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 3>some weird ship.

1073
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 2>I promise you that.

1074
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The the in the overt luxury in in Russia

1075
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:01.960
<v Speaker 1>is is so you know what we would call like

1076
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:07.320
<v Speaker 1>eighties taki. It's just beyond the pail from what I understand.

1077
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, yeah, I mean you got to think that

1078
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:12.880
<v Speaker 3>they never really got anything American and so what like

1079
01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:16.800
<v Speaker 3>you know the early nineties, right, so they kind of

1080
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:19.679
<v Speaker 3>went through all the American culture at once, right, all

1081
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.000
<v Speaker 3>those decades of culture kind of got dumped on it once.

1082
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:24.440
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna it's gonna create a weird environment if you

1083
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:24.880
<v Speaker 3>asked me.

1084
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Gosh right, yeah, good point from from jeans to them

1085
01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:31.719
<v Speaker 1>to the modern day mafia.

1086
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're dropping the sixties, the eighties, and the nineties

1087
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:35.960
<v Speaker 2>on them at once, dude.

1088
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Forget the seventies and everyone else did. But you know,

1089
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:40.519
<v Speaker 3>if you dropped decades on them at once, dude, what's

1090
01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:41.199
<v Speaker 3>happening in life?

1091
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Right?

1092
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:49.360
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

1093
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think you both didn't.

1094
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:59.480
<v Speaker 3>So i'd ever say about the time that Travolta got

1095
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:04.039
<v Speaker 3>a little too hansy with me one time secluded airplane Ethan.

1096
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, I had I had to travolt this

1097
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:10.800
<v Speaker 1>story too. Is that really you and Travolted?

1098
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:14.800
<v Speaker 3>It's me as a young staff sergeant Garden at their

1099
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.039
<v Speaker 3>stealth Fighter, me and my team.

1100
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:28.719
<v Speaker 1>I went to uh an event at a museum in Maine,

1101
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and uh he my friend had noted that he might

1102
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:33.480
<v Speaker 1>show up.

1103
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:38.599
<v Speaker 8>I was clueless. I guess she was like, oh, he

1104
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:43.199
<v Speaker 8>was totally you know, he was looking at you like what, yeah, he's.

1105
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:48.800
<v Speaker 1>He was right, right, of course, And she knew that then,

1106
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:52.519
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I was just like kind of clueless, like, oh,

1107
01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:53.639
<v Speaker 1>Travolta is going to be there.

1108
01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:58.079
<v Speaker 8>I want to meet him. But he was he was so.

1109
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:00.840
<v Speaker 7>D l like.

1110
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.079
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even I looked right at him. I didn't

1111
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:05.400
<v Speaker 1>recognize him at all. I was told later that was him.

1112
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:07.159
<v Speaker 1>He was, he was so inconspicuous.

1113
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I recognized him immediately. Sadly.

1114
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:12.679
<v Speaker 3>I also was yelling at him with a large gun

1115
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:14.400
<v Speaker 3>in my hand tone to get his damn hands off

1116
01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:20.000
<v Speaker 3>my aircraft. So he was the master. He was a

1117
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.559
<v Speaker 3>Master of ceremonies at the Dayton, Ohio Airport air Show.

1118
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.960
<v Speaker 3>So not not a military base to ain airport. We

1119
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.639
<v Speaker 3>we had that from like Thursday through Sunday. We had

1120
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:32.639
<v Speaker 3>it was, you know, the airport air shows multiple days.

1121
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:35.239
<v Speaker 3>The main event was on Saturday.

1122
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:36.960
<v Speaker 4>He fly.

1123
01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:38.920
<v Speaker 3>He was a Master of ceremonies. No one No one

1124
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:42.159
<v Speaker 3>told me. No one told me, you know, and uh,

1125
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.920
<v Speaker 3>the I have. It's me and five of my guys

1126
01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:47.400
<v Speaker 3>out there, and we're garding. We're mainly just garden. App

1127
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.719
<v Speaker 3>We have other Air Force aircraft that are on the ramp.

1128
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:52.039
<v Speaker 3>So I have a golf cart, mean another guy, but

1129
01:06:52.639 --> 01:06:54.320
<v Speaker 3>a golf car. We do some rounds, check out the

1130
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:57.280
<v Speaker 3>other aircraft from time to time, right, But for the

1131
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.480
<v Speaker 3>most part we're all just hanging outside that anger next

1132
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:01.280
<v Speaker 3>to the fighter, because that was the main that was

1133
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:02.039
<v Speaker 3>the main priority.

1134
01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:03.239
<v Speaker 2>And uh.

1135
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:05.920
<v Speaker 3>In fact, this night, a couple of my troops brought

1136
01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:08.960
<v Speaker 3>uh that movie. This was a July of two thousand

1137
01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:11.840
<v Speaker 3>and three. My couple of my troops brought that film

1138
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:15.039
<v Speaker 3>Basic with Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta, which was

1139
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:16.960
<v Speaker 3>fairly new on DVD at the time.

1140
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:18.679
<v Speaker 2>You all familiar with that one?

1141
01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:20.719
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I've never heard of that.

1142
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:23.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, it's a scientology special. There's a lot of

1143
01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:28.679
<v Speaker 3>scientologists in it. But you ever seen it?

1144
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:35.960
<v Speaker 8>No, it's what is it about? Basic Training?

1145
01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:41.199
<v Speaker 3>It's about a murder in Panama in the nineties at

1146
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:42.400
<v Speaker 3>a at an army base.

1147
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:44.199
<v Speaker 2>I believe I recall correctly.

1148
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:46.760
<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen this film since that night, so let

1149
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:51.119
<v Speaker 3>me see the details. Well I don't either, So let's

1150
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.360
<v Speaker 3>let's take a journey back to July two thousand and three.

1151
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:55.519
<v Speaker 3>We don't have a delore in the night, but we'll

1152
01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:57.480
<v Speaker 3>do a quick shot here.

1153
01:07:57.599 --> 01:07:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1154
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Basic is a two thousand and three crime action three

1155
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:05.920
<v Speaker 3>are directed by John McTiernan YadA, YadA, YadA, Travolta, Samuel Jackson.

1156
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:11.079
<v Speaker 2>I know I know where BC's in there. He's a scientologist. Okay.

1157
01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:13.480
<v Speaker 3>During a live fire exercise in the jungles of Panama,

1158
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.840
<v Speaker 3>a team of Army Rangers trainees is led by an

1159
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:21.680
<v Speaker 3>instructor and master Sergeant Nathan West. Sergeant Ray Dunbar. Uh

1160
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:23.600
<v Speaker 3>West is the Why don't they tell me who's the

1161
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:27.159
<v Speaker 3>actor here? Anyway, there's a there's a murder, and then

1162
01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:31.279
<v Speaker 3>they bring in Travolta, who's Army CID, to investigate stuff,

1163
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:33.680
<v Speaker 3>and it gets real weird like that. It's actually a

1164
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:34.760
<v Speaker 3>decent movie. It was kind of a.

1165
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Flop at the theater though, didn't do well. It's like

1166
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:41.199
<v Speaker 2>box office wise. Yeah. So it was March two thousand

1167
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:43.079
<v Speaker 2>and three. Yes, so the DVD came out literally like

1168
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:43.920
<v Speaker 2>that week.

1169
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:47.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's sure happenstance, I suppose, but the uh so,

1170
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:51.479
<v Speaker 3>we're watching it that night, they're watching it in the hangars.

1171
01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:54.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm out doing my rounds, right and uh that's when

1172
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:56.720
<v Speaker 3>I see someone touching some aircraft of mine and no

1173
01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:57.399
<v Speaker 3>one told me about it.

1174
01:08:57.399 --> 01:08:59.479
<v Speaker 2>We're in a restricted area on a you know, Savannah

1175
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:01.119
<v Speaker 2>air So.

1176
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:02.800
<v Speaker 3>I pulled there in my golf cart, hop out, start

1177
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:04.960
<v Speaker 3>hollering at the guy, get your damn hands off my aircraft.

1178
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:07.039
<v Speaker 3>It was a guy, a lady, and a child. It's

1179
01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:10.640
<v Speaker 3>midnight on a Friday night, and the guy turns around.

1180
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:13.279
<v Speaker 3>I immediately recognized its Volta and I was like, oh shit,

1181
01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:15.319
<v Speaker 3>you drawn Travolta and he's like yeah, and he's like,

1182
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:17.600
<v Speaker 3>that's my plane. And I turned around. Comically, there's a

1183
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:20.840
<v Speaker 3>large seven thirty seven right behind me that I definitely

1184
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:23.920
<v Speaker 3>didn't see as I pulled up, and that's his personal aircraft.

1185
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:26.600
<v Speaker 2>He had just flown in. And again, no one notified

1186
01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:26.960
<v Speaker 2>me in.

1187
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:30.119
<v Speaker 3>My security area of this because the airport cops didn't

1188
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:32.199
<v Speaker 3>like us, so by all means, no one was going

1189
01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:35.239
<v Speaker 3>to help helping any any capacity by notifying me of

1190
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:38.640
<v Speaker 3>folks coming into my area. But they want they wanted

1191
01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:40.039
<v Speaker 3>to come in and see the Stealth Fighter, and I

1192
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:43.039
<v Speaker 3>told those fat bastards, no way, it's it's a secured area.

1193
01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:45.600
<v Speaker 3>So when they saw me bring Revolts in there, then

1194
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:47.720
<v Speaker 3>they threw a bigger fit later and I was like, oh,

1195
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:48.800
<v Speaker 3>you guys can go fuck yourself.

1196
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:49.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't care.

1197
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:53.359
<v Speaker 3>So the uh so now one told me said then

1198
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:55.520
<v Speaker 3>I felt bad and I was like, oh shit, that's your plane.

1199
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:57.239
<v Speaker 3>He's like, yeah, I just flew in I'm the master's

1200
01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:00.479
<v Speaker 3>ceremonies and I said, oh shit, my apology. And the

1201
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.479
<v Speaker 3>lady and his uh the child was his publicist and

1202
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.000
<v Speaker 3>her son, so that it was it was late.

1203
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:07.439
<v Speaker 2>They left. I said, I felt bad.

1204
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:09.800
<v Speaker 3>I said, why don't y'all come see the Stealth Fighter

1205
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:11.640
<v Speaker 3>and come meet my troops. They'd love to meet you.

1206
01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:14.319
<v Speaker 3>They're watching I said, they're watching your movie right now,

1207
01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:16.880
<v Speaker 3>and they go. He he comes over to the hangar

1208
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:18.279
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, man, this dude's a nice stute.

1209
01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:19.760
<v Speaker 3>He came in for like an hour and a half

1210
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:22.439
<v Speaker 3>demanded on taking photos. I did not want to take

1211
01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:24.920
<v Speaker 3>this photo. By the way, the lock the aquera one

1212
01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.359
<v Speaker 3>on my face awkward look at my faces because I

1213
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:29.319
<v Speaker 3>was standing about two feet over from him, and the

1214
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:31.640
<v Speaker 3>last second he can't. He put his arm around my

1215
01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:34.079
<v Speaker 3>neck and brought me in a real tight and then

1216
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:35.920
<v Speaker 3>I pulled. I pulled away, and I felt bad because

1217
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:37.359
<v Speaker 3>he looked at me weird. So I put my arm

1218
01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:38.920
<v Speaker 3>around his arm just to make him feel little bit

1219
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.479
<v Speaker 3>better in life. But he was a nice guy otherwise.

1220
01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:44.439
<v Speaker 3>He signed autographs. I like that DVD and stuff of

1221
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:45.600
<v Speaker 3>my troops that they were watching.

1222
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:47.119
<v Speaker 2>But I did feel bad.

1223
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:48.199
<v Speaker 4>For arms.

1224
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:50.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, I wouldn't a gun at him, but I

1225
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:51.680
<v Speaker 3>had a you know, I had a rifle, you know

1226
01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:54.359
<v Speaker 3>what I mean, like it so and you know, he

1227
01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:56.319
<v Speaker 3>was touching my aircraft. I appreciate it because no one

1228
01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:58.560
<v Speaker 3>told me. But anyhow, so it was a weird event,

1229
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:05.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, yeah, yeah, he understood, you know, like I said,

1230
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:06.800
<v Speaker 3>he hung out for like an hour and a half.

1231
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:09.640
<v Speaker 3>So and then years later I saw them tabloid articles

1232
01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:12.039
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, you know what, maybe he wasn't

1233
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.000
<v Speaker 3>just a nice guy. Maybe he thought he had the

1234
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:16.319
<v Speaker 3>jackpot that night, you know what I mean, He's like,

1235
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:17.039
<v Speaker 3>what do he means?

1236
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:19.359
<v Speaker 2>He's like six young Freshing Air Force.

1237
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:22.239
<v Speaker 3>Military police officers and a secluded airplane hangar on a

1238
01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:25.720
<v Speaker 3>restricted airfield on a Friday night. He's like, he's like jackpot,

1239
01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:31.640
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. Kind of how I thought

1240
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:34.840
<v Speaker 3>about the situation later because uh, you know, apparently apparently,

1241
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:37.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, apparently he got really aggressive with those massus,

1242
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:40.159
<v Speaker 3>numerous male massuses over the years. And I'll tell you

1243
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:41.560
<v Speaker 3>one thing, he got a little aggressive with me in

1244
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:43.880
<v Speaker 3>that phot and at the time I didn't really appreciate it,

1245
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:45.439
<v Speaker 3>and I you know, I just thought he was, you know,

1246
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:47.239
<v Speaker 3>an overly kind of gentleman at the time.

1247
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, it makes me think I want you. Have

1248
01:11:52.039 --> 01:11:54.800
<v Speaker 1>you guys heard the story about Jackie Gleason.

1249
01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm listening.

1250
01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:00.520
<v Speaker 3>I like some old Hollywood tales, enough familiar with this one.

1251
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:04.560
<v Speaker 1>It could be total b us because check out what

1252
01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:09.880
<v Speaker 1>it's related to. But there's a story of how Jackie

1253
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Gleason was fascinated with the UFO topic and phenomenon, and

1254
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:19.199
<v Speaker 1>even I think had a house built in the shape

1255
01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:20.239
<v Speaker 1>of a flying sauce.

1256
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:23.159
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that where but where did that? Where was that?

1257
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Someone Hatty was telling me about that recently see.

1258
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:29.319
<v Speaker 1>La my mistake, though I don't know particularly, but I

1259
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:32.239
<v Speaker 1>assume it was in California, southern California.

1260
01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:34.800
<v Speaker 8>But but he was.

1261
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:39.960
<v Speaker 1>He had a whole library on the topic right, and

1262
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:46.479
<v Speaker 1>apparently was friends with some really high powered folks who

1263
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:52.000
<v Speaker 1>brought him to see either a craft or bodies. Again

1264
01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:57.000
<v Speaker 1>a highly, highly skeptical story, but it makes me think.

1265
01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:01.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, John Travolta, I've heard other stories of him

1266
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:04.840
<v Speaker 1>being interested in planes and.

1267
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:05.720
<v Speaker 8>Such and such.

1268
01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Obviously the ultra wealthy they just get them too, so

1269
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:12.319
<v Speaker 1>they're like straight shopping. But I wonder who the modern

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01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:16.800
<v Speaker 1>day gleason might might be that you know, has some

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01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:19.439
<v Speaker 1>star with connection, like, oh yeah, I'm just gonna go

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01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:22.279
<v Speaker 1>to the Air Force base and hang out because everyone

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01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:22.680
<v Speaker 1>knows me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's certainly possible. So in Travolta's case, and again

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01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:29.199
<v Speaker 3>that was all sure happens. Thence again he and everybody

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01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:32.640
<v Speaker 3>got access to that place. You see, I I blacked

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01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:34.479
<v Speaker 3>out all of my patches and name type of stuff

1278
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:36.399
<v Speaker 3>on there because I wasn't there yet, and I didn't

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01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:37.279
<v Speaker 3>take that photograph.

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01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:41.479
<v Speaker 1>I noticed that, You're like, just for future reference, that's

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01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:41.760
<v Speaker 1>not me.

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01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Someone super imposed me in that photograph.

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01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, again, I didn't want to take I was the

1285
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:48.960
<v Speaker 3>last one. Everyone else I'm like, yeah, you all post

1286
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:50.680
<v Speaker 3>for photographs. That's fine, you know. I mean I was like,

1287
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:52.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, we're not climbing that. I was like, we're

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01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:53.760
<v Speaker 3>not climbing the cockpit. That's not happened.

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01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:55.960
<v Speaker 8>Guys, you were, you were kind of the boss, So

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01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:56.399
<v Speaker 8>you're like.

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01:13:57.399 --> 01:13:59.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I wasn't gonna I didn't want any evidence

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01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:01.600
<v Speaker 3>that I was engaged that it was fine with them

1293
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:04.119
<v Speaker 3>doing it. But you know, everyone talks, and you know,

1294
01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:05.560
<v Speaker 3>I was like, this shit's gonna get out, you know

1295
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:08.359
<v Speaker 3>what I mean. These were all early on set digital photography,

1296
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:10.680
<v Speaker 3>so shit was gonna memory cards. You never that shit

1297
01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:12.640
<v Speaker 3>gets real wild, real quick with getting shared. I was like,

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01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:14.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be a part of this one, right, you

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01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:16.960
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. So I don't like to, you know,

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01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:18.840
<v Speaker 3>I go I go by the John Gotti school of

1301
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:20.880
<v Speaker 3>a you know, school of life, where you don't you

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01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:24.399
<v Speaker 3>don't post for photographs and increminating circumstances and anything you

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01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:26.399
<v Speaker 3>say or write down be ready for that to be

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01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:26.960
<v Speaker 3>read back.

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01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:27.279
<v Speaker 2>To you in court.

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01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:30.079
<v Speaker 3>That's what these were stables from John Gotti, the mob boss.

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01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:32.640
<v Speaker 3>So I like to subscribe to those kind of things

1308
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:35.039
<v Speaker 3>in life. So you know, you know, everyone and we

1309
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:37.479
<v Speaker 3>live in a modern era where everyone photographs their crimes

1310
01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:39.039
<v Speaker 3>and the dumbest shit possible, you know what I mean.

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01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:41.079
<v Speaker 3>This is two thousand and three. I not really a

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01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:42.960
<v Speaker 3>crime per se, but he shouldn't have been in there.

1313
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:43.960
<v Speaker 3>I'll admit that much.

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01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:46.079
<v Speaker 1>One thing.

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01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:50.079
<v Speaker 8>Please go ahead, you no.

1316
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:52.520
<v Speaker 3>I just even I even felt bad afterwards because or

1317
01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:53.960
<v Speaker 3>I felt like an idiot towards I'm like, you know,

1318
01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:55.800
<v Speaker 3>after I first invited Hi, I'm like, you know what,

1319
01:14:56.359 --> 01:14:57.760
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of a dumb thing. I acted like, you

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01:14:57.840 --> 01:14:59.439
<v Speaker 3>never seen it before. He did a whole movie with

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01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:02.439
<v Speaker 3>the cell fight beforehand, already broken arrow.

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01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:08.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he wanted we wanted the boys to show him

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01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:08.520
<v Speaker 5>how it works.

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01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:11.119
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying. He's like, yeah, I've never seen

1325
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:13.119
<v Speaker 3>a souther fight before. Guys, let me see that.

1326
01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:15.920
<v Speaker 4>We had showed me how to handle that.

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01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when they wanted to climb into the cockpit, I

1328
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:19.680
<v Speaker 3>don't think that's what the cock what he was talking about.

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01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Uh. Someone in the chat saying, ivy since Gleason's UFO

1330
01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:30.279
<v Speaker 1>themed house was in upstate New York, Oh, I don't say,

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01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:31.560
<v Speaker 1>don't say Westchester.

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01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Spoiler alert, sir, It's located in Westchester.

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01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:37.800
<v Speaker 5>Come boy, I always got to be in New York

1334
01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:42.520
<v Speaker 5>any No, it's Westchester for you, yes, sir?

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01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:44.479
<v Speaker 8>No, oh, yes, sir.

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01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I was I was waiting. I was waiting for you.

1337
01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:49.399
<v Speaker 2>You got me. You read my mind.

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01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:53.239
<v Speaker 3>There, Jackson Jackie Gleason's iconic circular mansion on the market

1339
01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:57.760
<v Speaker 3>for twelve million dollars. The located in the town of

1340
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Architectural Feet in west Chester County, where everything inside and

1341
01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:04.680
<v Speaker 3>out as circular, and he is part of an estate

1342
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:06.920
<v Speaker 3>being listed for twelve million dollars. So you need to

1343
01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:11.159
<v Speaker 3>tell me this dude build an alien UFO uh house

1344
01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:13.680
<v Speaker 3>in the din in the place I called denim in equity,

1345
01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:16.960
<v Speaker 3>full of all sorts of ancient alien cargo cultist activities.

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01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:17.880
<v Speaker 4>Shocked?

1347
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Would it would have shocked?

1348
01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:24.520
<v Speaker 3>That's interesting, though, I have to look more into Glease

1349
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:26.159
<v Speaker 3>And so was it he was? Was he buddies with

1350
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:27.159
<v Speaker 3>what Nixon or something?

1351
01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I think it was Nixon, forgive me. Yeah, I

1352
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.119
<v Speaker 1>think it was Nixon, but I'm not one hundred percent.

1353
01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:37.960
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, there's stories of him just being walked in

1354
01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and just like people would react like, oh, hey, oh,

1355
01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:43.880
<v Speaker 1>it's well, it's Jackie Gleason, you're friends with the generally

1356
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:45.279
<v Speaker 1>obviously he was.

1357
01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:46.960
<v Speaker 3>The dude, right, And he was the guy I mean

1358
01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:50.239
<v Speaker 3>the Honeymooners on TV when there's like two or three channels, right,

1359
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:52.439
<v Speaker 3>he was like the only you were forced to watch

1360
01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:53.359
<v Speaker 3>it if you didn't like it.

1361
01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was still on anyway, that's true.

1362
01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:57.039
<v Speaker 4>Good points.

1363
01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's that's wild that he was in Westchester.

1364
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:05.399
<v Speaker 1>I will admit them to having grown up in that

1365
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:09.920
<v Speaker 1>den of iniquity Westchester for about four or five years

1366
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:13.239
<v Speaker 1>of my youth bug out on this class trip.

1367
01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Please please please do share.

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01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:18.600
<v Speaker 8>Four or trade.

1369
01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:26.439
<v Speaker 1>This was in Putnam Valley, right near modern day West

1370
01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Point and Indian Point. And of course JJ, maybe you're familiar.

1371
01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:39.680
<v Speaker 1>There's a big mountain base there. There's a big underground

1372
01:17:40.399 --> 01:17:47.199
<v Speaker 1>army installation and training facility right next to virtually down

1373
01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:50.119
<v Speaker 1>the down the road from West Point and really closer

1374
01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:54.079
<v Speaker 1>to Indian Point, the nuclear power generation experiment.

1375
01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:55.359
<v Speaker 2>No idea.

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01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:58.880
<v Speaker 3>Actually this is a brand new information. Please continue.

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01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:01.720
<v Speaker 8>Well, let's do you want to look up what that is?

1378
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:03.680
<v Speaker 8>I forget. I think it's still in existence.

1379
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:07.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm working on right now. Yes, sir, what was the place?

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01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I forget the name of the mountain based subterranean mountain

1381
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:19.279
<v Speaker 1>base right next to West Point and Indian Point there is,

1382
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:22.760
<v Speaker 1>so it's not like secretive or anything.

1383
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:25.039
<v Speaker 2>And we so.

1384
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:31.479
<v Speaker 8>We drove right by this mountain base. I forget what

1385
01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:33.760
<v Speaker 8>it's called. JJ will know in a minute.

1386
01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:39.640
<v Speaker 1>And I went to Indian Point Nuclear Power Generation facility

1387
01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:48.560
<v Speaker 1>for a class trip. And it was a total propaganda

1388
01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:53.840
<v Speaker 1>show and propaganda tour of the nuclear power plant, which

1389
01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:58.760
<v Speaker 1>of course they stopped doing because they gained some sensibility.

1390
01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:01.399
<v Speaker 2>But that that was which was this.

1391
01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:06.159
<v Speaker 1>Indian Point upstate New York. It is the I think

1392
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.920
<v Speaker 1>it's now shut down, But keep in mind every shut

1393
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:16.239
<v Speaker 1>down nuclear power plant has on site storage. It is

1394
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:20.479
<v Speaker 1>just not producing energy anymore but running.

1395
01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:23.760
<v Speaker 3>It's decommission. But you're right, it's still it's still kind

1396
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:27.399
<v Speaker 3>of being in a whole whole status, right, Al.

1397
01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:28.359
<v Speaker 8>It's got it's got to be.

1398
01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:33.399
<v Speaker 1>And actually it's the oldest nuclear power plant formerly operating

1399
01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:35.119
<v Speaker 1>now in the US.

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01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Are you talking about Camp Smith?

1401
01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:39.920
<v Speaker 8>No, Indian Indian Point?

1402
01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:42.600
<v Speaker 2>No there the military base there.

1403
01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:43.359
<v Speaker 8>Oh could be?

1404
01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Could it be? It could be Camp Smith?

1405
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:46.039
<v Speaker 8>Excuse me?

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01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:49.279
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, yeah, no worries, no, I I yeah, I saw

1407
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:53.079
<v Speaker 3>the I saw the nuclear power point in the Camp

1408
01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:56.239
<v Speaker 3>Smith's the nearest military installation of this in Courtland, New York.

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01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:01.000
<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, That makes sense. I forget what does

1410
01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:03.760
<v Speaker 1>it say that it's a it was an underground mountain thing.

1411
01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, it makes sense to me that it would be.

1412
01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:08.239
<v Speaker 3>It was fifteen hundred acres and it started in nineteen nineteen,

1413
01:20:08.319 --> 01:20:09.920
<v Speaker 3>so this would have been a time where they'd start

1414
01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:13.079
<v Speaker 3>doing these kind of uh yeah, burrowing into these mountains

1415
01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:13.720
<v Speaker 3>on the East coast.

1416
01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was one one of those just an interesting

1417
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:19.399
<v Speaker 1>you know Marshall.

1418
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.720
<v Speaker 3>No, and it's connected to West Point because it says

1419
01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:23.119
<v Speaker 3>they use that for Dreams Center.

1420
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:27.039
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so of course, of course, which makes complete sense.

1421
01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.680
<v Speaker 2>It's this Smith's Mountain Lake is that? Does that sound right?

1422
01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I'm sorry, I can't. Can't remember it all the

1423
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:36.359
<v Speaker 1>name that they're learning about must.

1424
01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:38.439
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting though, because I didn't even know that stuff

1425
01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:40.079
<v Speaker 3>was going on in Westchester. So you're bringing a lot

1426
01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:43.119
<v Speaker 3>to my attention here because good well, I said, my

1427
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:46.199
<v Speaker 3>origin stories from just across the border there in Richfield, Connecticut.

1428
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:48.560
<v Speaker 3>But you know where my family goes back a long ways.

1429
01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:50.640
<v Speaker 3>But I only spent a few years of my life there.

1430
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Sure, and I went to an Army Navy game at

1431
01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:56.800
<v Speaker 1>West Point one time.

1432
01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:59.279
<v Speaker 8>That was that was thrilling for a little kid.

1433
01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh and uh. I was gonna say that the Indian

1434
01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Point Nuclear Power Facility is I think one of the

1435
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:12.600
<v Speaker 1>few that is built on granite. Of course, New York

1436
01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:18.319
<v Speaker 1>is just all grantede right, especially that area anyway, So

1437
01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:23.520
<v Speaker 1>it's probably one of the more stable facilities that there are.

1438
01:21:26.119 --> 01:21:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's definitely a lot of quarries up there.

1439
01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Huh.

1440
01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:29.479
<v Speaker 2>That's some of the best granted up in New England,

1441
01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:29.760
<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

1442
01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:31.199
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's interesting.

1443
01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Over Mont's Fault Mound, New Hampshire. They're full of huge

1444
01:21:37.960 --> 01:21:40.600
<v Speaker 3>granite quarries I mean that have been long long since

1445
01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:41.600
<v Speaker 3>mind and abandoned.

1446
01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Now filled with water. They're just filled with water.

1447
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:46.199
<v Speaker 3>And some of those places, a lot ane of them

1448
01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:48.920
<v Speaker 3>have this lady in the lake kind of folklore where

1449
01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:51.279
<v Speaker 3>there's ghostly apparition will jump into the water from some

1450
01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:52.800
<v Speaker 3>lady who allegedly jumped into the.

1451
01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:53.359
<v Speaker 2>Water and died.

1452
01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Sure, I've noticed that's a common tripe to these these couarries,

1453
01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:01.159
<v Speaker 3>these you know, of the years, I used to do

1454
01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:03.560
<v Speaker 3>a lot of ghost hunting, if you will, in my

1455
01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:06.119
<v Speaker 3>summers in Vermont, especially when I became a teenager and

1456
01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:07.640
<v Speaker 3>a driver's license.

1457
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:10.840
<v Speaker 8>That school area to do that.

1458
01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:13.079
<v Speaker 2>It's a wild place, dude.

1459
01:22:13.119 --> 01:22:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Vermont's got a lot of weird history, very weird history.

1460
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:24.119
<v Speaker 3>So main there you have main there, right, and mains

1461
01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:28.199
<v Speaker 3>kind of epily spooky, right, not spooky intelligence satancies, but spooky.

1462
01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:32.920
<v Speaker 1>No, there was Like I mean, the more you know,

1463
01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:38.039
<v Speaker 1>the more subtly spooky it can be. I think. I mean,

1464
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:42.479
<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, it's got a very We're.

1465
01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Talking like six hundred year old vampires firing off guns

1466
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:45.920
<v Speaker 3>into the.

1467
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Vermont.

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01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:53.800
<v Speaker 1>So it makes me think that there is not only

1469
01:22:54.119 --> 01:23:01.079
<v Speaker 1>was there people that were using the salem which happenstance

1470
01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:07.159
<v Speaker 1>many decades, many centuries ago now to implicate people that

1471
01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:11.880
<v Speaker 1>were totally innocent and or just healers with herbs and

1472
01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>so forth. I also think that there were other type

1473
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:18.359
<v Speaker 1>of people that were you know, just like light and

1474
01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:19.119
<v Speaker 1>dark magic.

1475
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:19.399
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1476
01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:23.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that there was a reason for the paranoia

1477
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:29.680
<v Speaker 1>that was certainly used and demonstrated against innocent mostly women

1478
01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and women too. But I think there is, you know,

1479
01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:39.279
<v Speaker 1>just something behind that in a lot of these spooky

1480
01:23:39.319 --> 01:23:43.760
<v Speaker 1>places and what was happening then, like people were running away,

1481
01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:46.439
<v Speaker 1>what were they running away from a lot of them

1482
01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:50.640
<v Speaker 1>were running away because the royals were implicating them and

1483
01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:54.439
<v Speaker 1>they were practically innocent, if not totally innocent, but some

1484
01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:57.319
<v Speaker 1>of them might have you know. I mean, I feel

1485
01:23:57.359 --> 01:24:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that's how it works with all these systems, is there's

1486
01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:05.479
<v Speaker 1>your I don't want to say dupes, but people that

1487
01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:10.239
<v Speaker 1>are doing the topical storyline and then people that are

1488
01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:12.199
<v Speaker 1>on the underhanded.

1489
01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:12.600
<v Speaker 8>Side of things.

1490
01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, So I'm of the opinion and I'd like to

1491
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:18.520
<v Speaker 2>hear your opinion. I know, I know a little bit

1492
01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:20.079
<v Speaker 2>of where Nick stands. We'd like to hear Eas stands

1493
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:20.439
<v Speaker 2>as well.

1494
01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:22.399
<v Speaker 3>You brought the sand on witch trials, and I think

1495
01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:24.960
<v Speaker 3>that's a very integral moment in the ocult history of America,

1496
01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:26.800
<v Speaker 3>and I can get into that here after we share

1497
01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:30.359
<v Speaker 3>our thoughts. But I'm of the mindset that there was

1498
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:33.600
<v Speaker 3>both a satanic panic if you will, for the witch trials,

1499
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:36.680
<v Speaker 3>and some of that shit was obviously executing innocent people

1500
01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:40.239
<v Speaker 3>or folks doing orb stuff you like you're talking, And

1501
01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:42.560
<v Speaker 3>then I'm also in the mindset there's some weird shit

1502
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:43.279
<v Speaker 3>going on there.

1503
01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:45.119
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's what I meant.

1504
01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I completely agree that there was the people that

1505
01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:53.239
<v Speaker 1>used that sentiment, if you will, as is as we

1506
01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:57.640
<v Speaker 1>can see today on different topics, not necessarily witchcraft, but

1507
01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:01.760
<v Speaker 1>there were also people that might have been doing inappropriate

1508
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>things that could have been whether it was entirely perceived

1509
01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:09.279
<v Speaker 1>as dark or there were some darkness to it, maybe

1510
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:13.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe not, But I but I think there's always the

1511
01:25:13.439 --> 01:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>gray and the white and the black, right, I mean,

1512
01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:20.079
<v Speaker 1>I think this is not necessarily true with magical systems,

1513
01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>but also just societal workings.

1514
01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:29.720
<v Speaker 3>Right for sure, Nick, what were your thoughts on the

1515
01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:33.279
<v Speaker 3>sand Withstrals and know we've discussed that somewhat offline before

1516
01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:34.399
<v Speaker 3>a couple of times.

1517
01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:38.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I found that to be a really weird situation,

1518
01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:41.359
<v Speaker 5>and honestly, you know, it would probably be really good

1519
01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:43.319
<v Speaker 5>to talk about that with would have been wrong because

1520
01:25:43.319 --> 01:25:44.840
<v Speaker 5>like some of the things he's pointed out to you

1521
01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:47.560
<v Speaker 5>that easily of the cet er even things like I've

1522
01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:50.600
<v Speaker 5>kind of looked into after he told me, you know,

1523
01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:51.920
<v Speaker 5>things with.

1524
01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:53.800
<v Speaker 3>That well, he's a descendant of one of the first

1525
01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah we got merged right.

1526
01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:00.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and like he he did go into like first.

1527
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:03.000
<v Speaker 5>So if I was always questioning, like how truthful is this? Anyway,

1528
01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:05.359
<v Speaker 5>I did think it was a lot of satanic panic

1529
01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:08.399
<v Speaker 5>for back then, like you know, Ethan and you said,

1530
01:26:08.439 --> 01:26:11.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm sure there could have been somebody doing something weird.

1531
01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:15.640
<v Speaker 5>I but though I do tend to think that maybe

1532
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:18.560
<v Speaker 5>the more weirder or the more fucked up or sicker

1533
01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:22.560
<v Speaker 5>people were actually the one making the accusations, because I

1534
01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:23.439
<v Speaker 5>do think that they might.

1535
01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:26.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're they're deterring the guilt from them, right, They're

1536
01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:27.960
<v Speaker 3>pointing the finger of someone else to the now one

1537
01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:29.520
<v Speaker 3>and accuses them, right, Yeah.

1538
01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:29.720
<v Speaker 4>And then there.

1539
01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:32.600
<v Speaker 5>You know, then land's getting taken and given to people.

1540
01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:36.199
<v Speaker 5>You know, it just seems convenient. And even what Ron

1541
01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:38.960
<v Speaker 5>had said is that you will later on see down

1542
01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:41.319
<v Speaker 5>the road, if you were to follow those families, you'll

1543
01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:43.800
<v Speaker 5>see like two families that were supposedly against each other

1544
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:45.960
<v Speaker 5>or like marrying each other.

1545
01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:50.119
<v Speaker 4>Now, so like, was was it really you know? Or

1546
01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:52.239
<v Speaker 4>is that was that? Was that some Romeo and Juliet

1547
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:53.840
<v Speaker 4>fucking you know romance ending?

1548
01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:57.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just like you make some good points, sir.

1549
01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:02.119
<v Speaker 3>There's always land grabs and mind monetary you know, measures

1550
01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:03.680
<v Speaker 3>to all these kind of things we still see today

1551
01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:06.279
<v Speaker 3>in these matters of kind of a parapolitical nature. This

1552
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:10.439
<v Speaker 3>is late seventeenth century politics in Salem, Massachusetts.

1553
01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:12.520
<v Speaker 2>But nonetheless it's still a pair.

1554
01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:15.560
<v Speaker 3>Of politics because obviously there's political folks involved in this.

1555
01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:18.239
<v Speaker 3>There's that's in the imaginations of what's going on there,

1556
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:20.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, ruling that these persons of which we're going

1557
01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:22.439
<v Speaker 3>to execute them, and these kind of things. You know,

1558
01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:24.880
<v Speaker 3>this is before we have constitutional rights in America, but

1559
01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:27.159
<v Speaker 3>obviously that would be a violation of due process.

1560
01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:29.800
<v Speaker 5>Even think of it this way, if there's like some

1561
01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:32.079
<v Speaker 5>sort of like family that still is like embedded in

1562
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:35.520
<v Speaker 5>that town. It is always going to have money coming in.

1563
01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:38.399
<v Speaker 2>I'll do you one better. Why is it we see

1564
01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:40.279
<v Speaker 2>just because of that story?

1565
01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:42.600
<v Speaker 3>No, I agree with you, but I'll do you one

1566
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:44.600
<v Speaker 3>better as far as exhibiting what you're saying is, why

1567
01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:46.560
<v Speaker 3>do we see so many folks that were so integral

1568
01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:49.720
<v Speaker 3>in that situation on both sides of it. The accusers

1569
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:54.239
<v Speaker 3>and the accused, their descendants are not only the the

1570
01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:57.359
<v Speaker 3>they're the pioneers and the occult in America, but they're

1571
01:27:57.399 --> 01:27:59.319
<v Speaker 3>also prominent folks in society.

1572
01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:00.640
<v Speaker 2>So Joseph miss.

1573
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Grandfather, paternal grandfather, he was sorry great great grandfather, great grandfather.

1574
01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:11.000
<v Speaker 3>His paternal grandfather served in the Revolutionary War as a

1575
01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:14.039
<v Speaker 3>captain and was an original member of the Society the Cincinnati,

1576
01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:16.800
<v Speaker 3>the secret society that founded America. And I would argue

1577
01:28:16.840 --> 01:28:19.760
<v Speaker 3>Mormonism is an offshoot of that. We did that show

1578
01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:22.479
<v Speaker 3>with Heidi kind of describing some of those details. But

1579
01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:24.520
<v Speaker 3>that's what I'm saying. There's all this weird occultism within

1580
01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:26.319
<v Speaker 3>these families. But it goes back to the sale on

1581
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:28.079
<v Speaker 3>West trial seems to be a seminal moment. So you

1582
01:28:28.079 --> 01:28:32.359
<v Speaker 3>have Joseph Smith's great grandfather and his grandfather in law,

1583
01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:35.920
<v Speaker 3>so his wife's grandfather. They were both accusers of which.

1584
01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Is in Salem.

1585
01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:39.119
<v Speaker 3>And those witches were executed, right, So what happened to

1586
01:28:39.159 --> 01:28:41.039
<v Speaker 3>their property and their homes and stuff like that? In

1587
01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:43.800
<v Speaker 3>many cases, you know, other folks were definitely seem to

1588
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:44.720
<v Speaker 3>be plotting for that, right.

1589
01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1590
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:48.359
<v Speaker 2>And then you see.

1591
01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:54.239
<v Speaker 3>Jack Parsons Old Marvel Whiteside aka Jack Parsons the Agape

1592
01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:56.640
<v Speaker 3>Lodge of Thelehman, not the founder, but apparently the head.

1593
01:28:57.000 --> 01:28:58.479
<v Speaker 3>I always thought he was the founder. I looked more

1594
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:00.479
<v Speaker 3>into it, not the founder. I was kind of prist

1595
01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:03.800
<v Speaker 3>of that lodge, right. He later he later became the

1596
01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:05.399
<v Speaker 3>head of that lodge, but he's not the founder of

1597
01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:05.920
<v Speaker 3>that lodge.

1598
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:06.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1599
01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:08.000
<v Speaker 5>And then he and then he moved it, I think.

1600
01:29:08.840 --> 01:29:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, right. And then his wife ran away with a

1601
01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:13.560
<v Speaker 2>guy who was the founder, right.

1602
01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:16.159
<v Speaker 4>And then his other girlfriend ran away with.

1603
01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, her side yeah, her her sister, Slash his side piece,

1604
01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:24.520
<v Speaker 3>and al Ron Hubbards you know, uh, you know main

1605
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:28.279
<v Speaker 3>squeeze he did well with whatever, Yeah, whatever weird.

1606
01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:29.439
<v Speaker 2>Sexual dynamic those four had.

1607
01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:31.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, she ran off with her, right, So, yeah,

1608
01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:36.199
<v Speaker 3>Parsons is left alone, but his fourth great grandmother Parsons

1609
01:29:36.520 --> 01:29:38.279
<v Speaker 3>was an accused witch in the sand Witch trials. So

1610
01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:39.960
<v Speaker 3>we have a guy who's at the forefront of the

1611
01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:43.520
<v Speaker 3>Lehman America, and yet his mother was seemingly I do

1612
01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:44.720
<v Speaker 3>think she was into some weird ship.

1613
01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:48.640
<v Speaker 5>You know what Parsons did actually supposedly say that he did.

1614
01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:53.600
<v Speaker 5>He did attack him with magic after that, with Marshall magic.

1615
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.239
<v Speaker 3>Supposedly, I wouldn't be surprised you that's what I'm saying.

1616
01:29:56.239 --> 01:29:59.439
<v Speaker 3>They're they're doing that that in your sleeves off.

1617
01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:02.760
<v Speaker 5>Supposedly after he ran away with his chicken ship that

1618
01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:04.920
<v Speaker 5>he so he was trying to sink his ship or

1619
01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:05.720
<v Speaker 5>something like that.

1620
01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

1621
01:30:07.239 --> 01:30:11.279
<v Speaker 3>Typical they do that stuff, don't they. That was something

1622
01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:14.880
<v Speaker 3>probably we did, right, That was something Crowley like to

1623
01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:16.359
<v Speaker 3>do though, right. He used to like to engage his

1624
01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:19.079
<v Speaker 3>opponents in some sort of mystical midnight warfare.

1625
01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Mystical I know he.

1626
01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:22.880
<v Speaker 4>I know he was. Basically, I don't know how true

1627
01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:23.399
<v Speaker 4>the story is.

1628
01:30:23.439 --> 01:30:25.239
<v Speaker 5>He was like walking down the street having like fucking

1629
01:30:25.239 --> 01:30:28.439
<v Speaker 5>a magical battle with some of the dude and I

1630
01:30:28.479 --> 01:30:29.159
<v Speaker 5>don't I've heard that.

1631
01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:32.840
<v Speaker 3>Sadly, I don't think there's gonna be any cocaine. Bob

1632
01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Evans references the night but stick around then I can't

1633
01:30:35.319 --> 01:30:36.600
<v Speaker 3>ever roll it out.

1634
01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:40.319
<v Speaker 2>So you know, what are your thoughts on this stuff? Ethan?

1635
01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:42.279
<v Speaker 2>So even the Bush family right now, they have roots

1636
01:30:42.279 --> 01:30:43.119
<v Speaker 2>in Salem, right.

1637
01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:46.279
<v Speaker 8>Wow, I didn't. I didn't know that.

1638
01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, they're descended from one of the witches.

1639
01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1640
01:30:53.399 --> 01:30:56.439
<v Speaker 2>It's the there the Walkers, you know, George Herbert Walker

1641
01:30:56.479 --> 01:30:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Bush one of the Walkers, one of the Walkers for

1642
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.439
<v Speaker 2>others there wasn't accused, which I believe she got murdered.

1643
01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Dude, spoky, Well, I did know that they were East

1644
01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:13.199
<v Speaker 1>Coast establishment put long time, long time posing as Texan

1645
01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:16.720
<v Speaker 1>oil barons, good Texan good old boys, but their action

1646
01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>right East Coast establishment for sure.

1647
01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:21.880
<v Speaker 2>For short.

1648
01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:24.159
<v Speaker 3>Did you know this lady's fore mother was also a

1649
01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:25.479
<v Speaker 3>witch in the Sand Witch trials?

1650
01:31:26.640 --> 01:31:27.439
<v Speaker 8>Yikes?

1651
01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:32.439
<v Speaker 2>And English Jessica Parker?

1652
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Is she of English heritage?

1653
01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:39.880
<v Speaker 3>She's of witch heritage? She looks like one still today? Right?

1654
01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:43.159
<v Speaker 1>No?

1655
01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:45.359
<v Speaker 8>Is she of English heritage?

1656
01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

1657
01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:49.079
<v Speaker 3>And she's the same kind of ilk we're talking about

1658
01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:53.399
<v Speaker 3>the Society of Cincinnati, blue blood New England, Massachusetts heritage. Yes,

1659
01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:57.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of things go back to Essex County, and

1660
01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:00.720
<v Speaker 3>specifically Salem there in Massachusetts and around the sand Witch

1661
01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Trials that are still relevant today, not the least of

1662
01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:04.159
<v Speaker 3>which is the actual trials.

1663
01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:05.720
<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying the people that were.

1664
01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:09.279
<v Speaker 8>There, that's really speaking.

1665
01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Man.

1666
01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree, But so like, what are your thoughts

1667
01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:17.079
<v Speaker 3>on that as far as why why is it that,

1668
01:32:17.159 --> 01:32:20.520
<v Speaker 3>for example, Joseph Smith and we'll just take j Smith

1669
01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:23.199
<v Speaker 3>and Parsons, why is it that these folks are descended

1670
01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:26.359
<v Speaker 3>from folks in the Witch Trials? Yet they and they're

1671
01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:28.479
<v Speaker 3>the four, they're the forefront occultism in America?

1672
01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:31.920
<v Speaker 5>You know what I think is this I think and

1673
01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:34.520
<v Speaker 5>not because it's my theory, but I think this.

1674
01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:37.039
<v Speaker 2>A little theory. That's fine too, right, I think.

1675
01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:39.560
<v Speaker 5>This solidifies even more that it was a bullshit story

1676
01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:40.680
<v Speaker 5>handed to you.

1677
01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, did you're like that?

1678
01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:45.640
<v Speaker 4>Did you're being fooled again? That the Nazi magic what

1679
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:47.399
<v Speaker 4>you're speaking right?

1680
01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:47.760
<v Speaker 5>Yes?

1681
01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Being mining wizardship dude.

1682
01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean this, this whole establishment of the country

1683
01:32:55.960 --> 01:33:02.039
<v Speaker 1>was before excuse me, the idea of manifest destiny, which

1684
01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:08.199
<v Speaker 1>was a total, abhorrent lie to inspire people to do

1685
01:33:08.359 --> 01:33:13.560
<v Speaker 1>really nefarious activities in order to acquire resources.

1686
01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:15.680
<v Speaker 8>Essentially, but they had.

1687
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Their somehow clocked into different reasoning, you know, through this

1688
01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>perversion of idea that you know, you can just take

1689
01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:26.079
<v Speaker 1>what you want. I mean, so this country was definitely

1690
01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:30.600
<v Speaker 1>founded on that type of lie to motivate really theft

1691
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:31.640
<v Speaker 1>from other people.

1692
01:33:32.199 --> 01:33:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Ultimately, if I may, I blame the Vatican for that,

1693
01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:36.720
<v Speaker 3>but you know, I understand what you're saying, that you

1694
01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:39.760
<v Speaker 3>make an accurate syment understaying when it comes to manifests,

1695
01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:41.560
<v Speaker 3>and that point a lot of stuff sources of Vatican

1696
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:42.520
<v Speaker 3>on that one.

1697
01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>No, no doubt. I was just pointing to that recent

1698
01:33:46.039 --> 01:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>one that we can that we've long examined openly as

1699
01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:55.319
<v Speaker 1>being Okay, that's obtusely horrific. And yet of course it

1700
01:33:55.359 --> 01:33:58.119
<v Speaker 1>goes back hundreds and hundreds of years as a as

1701
01:33:58.159 --> 01:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>a tool or.

1702
01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:02.479
<v Speaker 2>Theme in no offense to Catholics.

1703
01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:04.720
<v Speaker 3>But you know, there's a reason why America was started,

1704
01:34:04.720 --> 01:34:06.920
<v Speaker 3>and there's a reason why America did not let the

1705
01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:11.319
<v Speaker 3>Vatican in America. With the exception of those unruly bastards

1706
01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:14.720
<v Speaker 3>in Pennsylvania, the only colony that permitted the Vatican was Maryland,

1707
01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:15.680
<v Speaker 3>which they started.

1708
01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:16.720
<v Speaker 2>So go figure.

1709
01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:22.560
<v Speaker 1>It was a real trope back then with whatever reasoning,

1710
01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>certain and maybe obscure that the Catholics were going to

1711
01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:32.199
<v Speaker 1>bring in the Jacobins, which we're going to upset the

1712
01:34:32.279 --> 01:34:34.720
<v Speaker 1>revolution against the royals.

1713
01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:38.199
<v Speaker 3>Well that's who, That's who started this country service the

1714
01:34:38.199 --> 01:34:40.079
<v Speaker 3>descendants of the Jacobhites.

1715
01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:41.840
<v Speaker 2>And the Hugots.

1716
01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:45.039
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't there wasn't it wasn't there another side to

1717
01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>them that was, or at least maybe I guess they're

1718
01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:54.079
<v Speaker 1>the same side, different different aspects, the same group, different aspects.

1719
01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:56.279
<v Speaker 3>But I think what you're pointing at is what I

1720
01:34:56.640 --> 01:34:59.279
<v Speaker 3>call the crown history, not crayon, but crown history. Like

1721
01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Crown inc Any Crown of the Vatican, we live under

1722
01:35:02.279 --> 01:35:05.000
<v Speaker 3>their propaganda. So what you're pointing out is an accurate

1723
01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:07.079
<v Speaker 3>statement based upon their their narrative.

1724
01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1725
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:15.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I mean it's uh, it's I've you said

1726
01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:18.439
<v Speaker 1>essentially this. Forgive me if I put words in your mouth,

1727
01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:22.840
<v Speaker 1>but that even though we might know the names of

1728
01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:28.760
<v Speaker 1>individuals and their occulted groups, it really comes down to

1729
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:34.239
<v Speaker 1>not their name, but their persuasion and their action.

1730
01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:37.439
<v Speaker 8>So yeah, I mean.

1731
01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:41.439
<v Speaker 2>Something for sure, I agree with it.

1732
01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Now.

1733
01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:43.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure I've made statements to that sim and I

1734
01:35:43.439 --> 01:35:45.159
<v Speaker 3>and that's certainly is something I agree with and something

1735
01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:48.479
<v Speaker 3>necessarily I have said for for sure, because like I mean,

1736
01:35:48.520 --> 01:35:50.680
<v Speaker 3>I just judge folks by their actions, right, you know

1737
01:35:50.680 --> 01:35:53.359
<v Speaker 3>what I mean? So everyone can tell me that that

1738
01:35:53.399 --> 01:35:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Andrew Couima was a governor of New York and he's

1739
01:35:55.840 --> 01:35:59.439
<v Speaker 3>a Democrat. He maybe doing Democrat National Committee activities and

1740
01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:02.359
<v Speaker 3>following their state, but the Democrat National Committee did not

1741
01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:04.640
<v Speaker 3>tell him to get these giant niple piercings. And and

1742
01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:08.359
<v Speaker 3>he's adhering to some protocols and rules that are outside

1743
01:36:08.399 --> 01:36:09.600
<v Speaker 3>the standards up DNC.

1744
01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:13.199
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. Do you see that? Where

1745
01:36:13.239 --> 01:36:16.359
<v Speaker 2>do you make that delineation? H?

1746
01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean he holds the distinction to being the

1747
01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:24.760
<v Speaker 1>really one of the big political losers of COVID.

1748
01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:27.520
<v Speaker 8>I mean, hardly anyone came out.

1749
01:36:27.720 --> 01:36:29.560
<v Speaker 3>We'd like to think that in a reason world, sir,

1750
01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:31.199
<v Speaker 3>we would like to think that this man's trying to

1751
01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:33.279
<v Speaker 3>put his name in the hat for presidential run.

1752
01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:37.800
<v Speaker 8>I seen it, And yeah, with those.

1753
01:36:37.680 --> 01:36:39.399
<v Speaker 3>Nipple rings, do you want me to vote for this

1754
01:36:39.439 --> 01:36:42.159
<v Speaker 3>guy for president? Get out of town?

1755
01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:43.439
<v Speaker 2>Get out of town.

1756
01:36:43.479 --> 01:36:45.840
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not saying everyone with giant nipple piercings like

1757
01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:49.600
<v Speaker 3>this are are in a sex cult, but I would

1758
01:36:49.640 --> 01:36:51.920
<v Speaker 3>say that it's very common for folks in a sex

1759
01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:54.079
<v Speaker 3>cult to have these giant nipple piercings.

1760
01:36:55.039 --> 01:36:58.199
<v Speaker 8>That's interesting. I did not think of that, but that

1761
01:36:58.359 --> 01:36:59.039
<v Speaker 8>is interesting.

1762
01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Look at these bastards. Look at that.

1763
01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:03.159
<v Speaker 3>Because he's shoe off, he's like, this is this is

1764
01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:05.199
<v Speaker 3>one of his first COVID press conferences.

1765
01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:08.039
<v Speaker 2>He's like, hey, everyone, check out these nips.

1766
01:37:08.479 --> 01:37:11.199
<v Speaker 8>Wow, those are huge.

1767
01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Why would you go to a press conference like that? Dude?

1768
01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:15.000
<v Speaker 3>What's going on in this man's life? So, the way

1769
01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:18.640
<v Speaker 3>I look at it, the Nexium cult took over the

1770
01:37:18.640 --> 01:37:21.279
<v Speaker 3>politics of the state of New York, both in Albany

1771
01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:24.520
<v Speaker 3>and on the federal level a long time ago, and

1772
01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:30.479
<v Speaker 3>in doing so, they incorporated folks like this fella and

1773
01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:31.560
<v Speaker 3>his attorney general.

1774
01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:34.279
<v Speaker 2>So he was the attorney general.

1775
01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Do you think the same group there are different groups

1776
01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:45.079
<v Speaker 1>might have framed the current governor of New York or

1777
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>was he just dumb?

1778
01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:48.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now you're talking my language.

1779
01:37:48.319 --> 01:37:49.479
<v Speaker 3>So this has been going on in New York for

1780
01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:51.600
<v Speaker 3>a while, because we've seen a couple governors go down

1781
01:37:51.640 --> 01:37:52.960
<v Speaker 3>like that, like Spitzer, Right.

1782
01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:58.039
<v Speaker 8>I forget what what happened with him.

1783
01:37:58.439 --> 01:38:00.640
<v Speaker 2>He was doing prostitute stuff and just like Hey man,

1784
01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:02.960
<v Speaker 2>you got bus to doing prostitute stuff, You're out of here.

1785
01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:08.760
<v Speaker 2>So but nonetheless, that madam that he was doing prostitute

1786
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:12.439
<v Speaker 2>stuff with her prostitute, she's connected to Nextium. Go figure.

1787
01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:19.079
<v Speaker 2>So the Andrew Andrew Schneider Eric Schneider, Eric schneider Men.

1788
01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:22.000
<v Speaker 2>We'll just insert a name here, Eric Eric Sneiderman. I'll

1789
01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:24.720
<v Speaker 2>look it up. He was Cowomo's attorney general and coma

1790
01:38:24.840 --> 01:38:27.359
<v Speaker 2>he appointed Couomo appointed him the attorney general, and he

1791
01:38:27.399 --> 01:38:28.199
<v Speaker 2>became governor here.

1792
01:38:28.279 --> 01:38:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Right, So he he resigns under scandalous sexual circumstances of

1793
01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:37.039
<v Speaker 3>assault and sexual assaults and activities, women claiming some very

1794
01:38:37.039 --> 01:38:39.359
<v Speaker 3>bizarre things that he would do some weird sexual stuff

1795
01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:41.399
<v Speaker 3>to them but then make them go get his dry cleaning.

1796
01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1797
01:38:42.680 --> 01:38:45.000
<v Speaker 3>What the media didn't report of the proper context of

1798
01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:48.560
<v Speaker 3>those complaints. The proper context of those complaints are they

1799
01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:51.680
<v Speaker 3>were part of these women had achieved the DOS rank,

1800
01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:54.600
<v Speaker 3>the DOS rank of the Naxium sex cult where they

1801
01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:58.119
<v Speaker 3>got branded and we're personal sex slaves of higher ranking

1802
01:38:58.159 --> 01:38:59.680
<v Speaker 3>individuals within the cult.

1803
01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's does that sound from Mayor?

1804
01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:09.399
<v Speaker 1>I just can't believe that someone would be so pathetic

1805
01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:10.920
<v Speaker 1>as to.

1806
01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:11.600
<v Speaker 8>Join a group like that.

1807
01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:14.079
<v Speaker 1>But I understand, I guess the high power players that

1808
01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:15.800
<v Speaker 1>they're willing to format them.

1809
01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:19.119
<v Speaker 2>But like, wow, this is no small group, and this

1810
01:39:19.159 --> 01:39:24.399
<v Speaker 2>is no small group. So this is this is the.

1811
01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:25.399
<v Speaker 8>Same of people as a learning I get it.

1812
01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:26.159
<v Speaker 4>I just.

1813
01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:34.399
<v Speaker 1>No, no, sure I should have said power Yeah, yeah.

1814
01:39:33.760 --> 01:39:34.560
<v Speaker 2>So I would.

1815
01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:37.239
<v Speaker 3>I would assert based upon their own missions, statements, and

1816
01:39:37.319 --> 01:39:41.640
<v Speaker 3>photographs that next to them called is the evolution of

1817
01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:44.960
<v Speaker 3>the Albany Chapter of the Processed Church of the Final Judgment.

1818
01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:50.159
<v Speaker 3>For example, their Harvard thought, Harvard grad thought leader William

1819
01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Simms Bainbridge, likely a member of the Society of the Cincinnati,

1820
01:39:54.039 --> 01:39:57.039
<v Speaker 3>descended from William Bainbridge, the Admiral, And there were Wars

1821
01:39:57.039 --> 01:40:00.600
<v Speaker 3>of seventeen seventy six, and you know he uh he

1822
01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:05.920
<v Speaker 3>old William Simms Bainbridge. Damn, I forgot where I was

1823
01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:07.199
<v Speaker 3>going with that. When I went I got on a

1824
01:40:07.239 --> 01:40:09.680
<v Speaker 3>Society of Cincinnati. Tangent my brain hole there, and I

1825
01:40:09.680 --> 01:40:11.039
<v Speaker 3>lost where I was going with Bainbridge.

1826
01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:11.199
<v Speaker 4>Oh.

1827
01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:15.680
<v Speaker 2>He infiltrated the He infiltrates the process. In nineteen seventy

1828
01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:18.199
<v Speaker 2>two to write this book about this sex colt in

1829
01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:20.760
<v Speaker 2>which he did write a book, but then he's photographed

1830
01:40:20.840 --> 01:40:24.159
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy eight. On his own website, he posted

1831
01:40:24.199 --> 01:40:27.359
<v Speaker 2>this and the photographs mentioned listed the album E chapter

1832
01:40:27.479 --> 01:40:30.640
<v Speaker 2>of the Process nineteen seventy eight. Well, how is that possible?

1833
01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:34.840
<v Speaker 3>According to Netflix documentaries, the Process ended in nineteen seventy four.

1834
01:40:36.720 --> 01:40:38.640
<v Speaker 4>So I heard that.

1835
01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:40.359
<v Speaker 5>I was like, isn't that after they were supposed leaving

1836
01:40:40.399 --> 01:40:42.239
<v Speaker 5>them exactly?

1837
01:40:42.319 --> 01:40:44.159
<v Speaker 3>So this is on the dude's own website, right, he

1838
01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:48.560
<v Speaker 3>runs a Process Facebook group. What a boomer anyway? He Uh,

1839
01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:52.279
<v Speaker 3>that's where this photo comes from anyhow. So he's in it,

1840
01:40:52.399 --> 01:40:54.159
<v Speaker 3>and he's they're all dressed in black. You know, it's

1841
01:40:54.279 --> 01:40:56.720
<v Speaker 3>again years after they're supposed to exist anyhow. So if

1842
01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:59.800
<v Speaker 3>you have Anxium, which is confirmed an offshoot of Scientology,

1843
01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:03.960
<v Speaker 3>you have the Process Albany Chapter, a confirmed offtion of Scientology,

1844
01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:05.760
<v Speaker 3>and they're both operating in Albany, and there's not a

1845
01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:08.199
<v Speaker 3>turf war for membership or activities. Well, then I'll tell

1846
01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:11.439
<v Speaker 3>you one thing that I've concluded is that nineteen seventy

1847
01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:14.560
<v Speaker 3>eight group that existed well after the alleged disbandment of

1848
01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:17.479
<v Speaker 3>the Processed Church, well, they evolved in what is known

1849
01:41:17.479 --> 01:41:21.199
<v Speaker 3>as the Nexium Culty.

1850
01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:22.800
<v Speaker 8>In my opinion, the names may change, but the games

1851
01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:24.199
<v Speaker 8>remain the same.

1852
01:41:24.279 --> 01:41:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Precisely because they're still using that same E meter, except

1853
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:30.199
<v Speaker 3>for the process calls it the peace coope, and Nexium

1854
01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:33.640
<v Speaker 3>was using that as well, so that scientology E meter.

1855
01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:37.359
<v Speaker 3>So Kristen Gillibrand replaces Hillary Clinton when she becomes Secretary

1856
01:41:37.399 --> 01:41:37.760
<v Speaker 3>of State.

1857
01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Her father was.

1858
01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Not only a member of the cult, he was a

1859
01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:44.840
<v Speaker 3>paid executive, and her stepmother's slash first cousin was also

1860
01:41:44.920 --> 01:41:46.520
<v Speaker 3>a member is also a member of the cult. So

1861
01:41:47.039 --> 01:41:49.560
<v Speaker 3>this is the US Center from New York and Chuck Schumer,

1862
01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:52.199
<v Speaker 3>he's got his own connections, So.

1863
01:41:52.199 --> 01:41:55.600
<v Speaker 1>A paid executive. So they have a group and they

1864
01:41:55.640 --> 01:42:00.800
<v Speaker 1>have a collective running the group that's getting paid overtly.

1865
01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:04.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, even hired Roger Stone to be a lobbyist

1866
01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>at one point.

1867
01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Man, So they're like up and coming Heritage Foundation

1868
01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>with with some.

1869
01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:20.159
<v Speaker 3>Of the groups some creepy ancient alien cardgio cult, scientology

1870
01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:21.159
<v Speaker 3>to Lima belief systems.

1871
01:42:21.239 --> 01:42:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir, So are you familiar with Bill Clinton?

1872
01:42:28.039 --> 01:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm at least uh, you know, somewhat depth

1873
01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:36.159
<v Speaker 1>on on the breadth of all he's done.

1874
01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was just yeah, I appreciate.

1875
01:42:38.319 --> 01:42:39.800
<v Speaker 3>I was just being a smart as I appreciate the

1876
01:42:40.039 --> 01:42:43.600
<v Speaker 3>entertainment though, so his uh one of his close friends

1877
01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:48.479
<v Speaker 3>is BFFs, a fellow by the name of something Maze.

1878
01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:50.079
<v Speaker 3>I'll get back to you on it. It's not Billy.

1879
01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:53.960
<v Speaker 3>But he was the first uh black man appointed to

1880
01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:56.680
<v Speaker 3>the Arkansas Supreme Court by Bill Clinton when he was

1881
01:42:56.680 --> 01:42:59.159
<v Speaker 3>the governor. He's he's a member of the cult and

1882
01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:02.880
<v Speaker 3>he was there in house counsel. He got busted in

1883
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:06.359
<v Speaker 3>SIRCA two thousand and nine, almost almost lost his law

1884
01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:08.960
<v Speaker 3>license or was suspended for a period of time over

1885
01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:12.079
<v Speaker 3>a racetrack casino deal that he and jay Z were doing,

1886
01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:14.159
<v Speaker 3>and they got him and jay Z got busted for

1887
01:43:14.199 --> 01:43:16.880
<v Speaker 3>some criminal dealings in that jay Z almost got busted

1888
01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:17.600
<v Speaker 3>for racketeering.

1889
01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Dude, I think God is both go ahead, please, yeah,

1890
01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:24.359
<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

1891
01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:25.800
<v Speaker 8>I was say sorry to interrupt you.

1892
01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:27.279
<v Speaker 2>No, please go ahead.

1893
01:43:27.319 --> 01:43:29.800
<v Speaker 3>I'll continue on all day even unless you stop me,

1894
01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:30.600
<v Speaker 3>So please go ahead.

1895
01:43:31.640 --> 01:43:37.359
<v Speaker 1>I've I know of other I believe Republicans, but probably

1896
01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:39.279
<v Speaker 1>other Democrats too that.

1897
01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:41.920
<v Speaker 8>Have only not not even one hundred.

1898
01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Years ago, still with the you know, just recently in

1899
01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the past couple of decades are scamming the tribes in

1900
01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:51.800
<v Speaker 1>one way or another on real estate ventures of sorts,

1901
01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and and have gotten in prison for it.

1902
01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:58.319
<v Speaker 8>It's it's so it's so frequent of an occurrence.

1903
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Now and that that's is they were shaken.

1904
01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:03.520
<v Speaker 3>They were doing some similar activities, these two and again

1905
01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:06.439
<v Speaker 3>they got busted by the FEDS for it. And you know,

1906
01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:08.760
<v Speaker 3>and you know, at least they got it, got intervened

1907
01:44:08.760 --> 01:44:10.840
<v Speaker 3>by the Feds and no one got charged by this dude.

1908
01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:13.880
<v Speaker 3>I think I think he had his lawless suspended. But

1909
01:44:14.039 --> 01:44:19.640
<v Speaker 3>it's Richard Leon Mays. He was the second second Blackfelow

1910
01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:26.079
<v Speaker 3>appointed the Arkansas Supreme Court nineteen seventy nine. Richard Leon

1911
01:44:26.159 --> 01:44:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Mays is his name.

1912
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<v Speaker 2>He like I said, he uh, he's still alive, shipping Okay,

1913
01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:35.720
<v Speaker 2>he's old, but he he he's a member of Next

1914
01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:38.119
<v Speaker 2>to him, Bill got so when when uh? When? Right? When?

1915
01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1916
01:44:38.439 --> 01:44:40.640
<v Speaker 3>When Kristin Gillibrand I was in DC at the time.

1917
01:44:40.840 --> 01:44:42.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't do politics, but I was surrounded by it

1918
01:44:44.479 --> 01:44:47.600
<v Speaker 3>when Kirsten Gillibrand took that role in DC as this

1919
01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:50.000
<v Speaker 3>young senator from New York US center out of nowhere

1920
01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:53.800
<v Speaker 3>right again, out of nowhere literally and her father's a

1921
01:44:53.800 --> 01:44:56.800
<v Speaker 3>paid executive in the cult. Her stepmother slash first cousin

1922
01:44:57.279 --> 01:45:00.359
<v Speaker 3>is also a member of the cult. And uh so

1923
01:45:00.479 --> 01:45:03.279
<v Speaker 3>you got the Hillary connection. And then this dude is connected.

1924
01:45:03.399 --> 01:45:05.520
<v Speaker 3>He's the council and he's so Bill's getting all sorts

1925
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:07.079
<v Speaker 3>of heat from the press for some reason. You can

1926
01:45:07.159 --> 01:45:09.520
<v Speaker 3>look back int articles at the same time, because they

1927
01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:11.319
<v Speaker 3>got all these connections from the different angles to the

1928
01:45:11.359 --> 01:45:14.079
<v Speaker 3>next them cold. This is before next to him became

1929
01:45:14.119 --> 01:45:16.560
<v Speaker 3>this criminal enterprise to the public and publicly known this

1930
01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:18.960
<v Speaker 3>as much. But nonetheless they've both got heat for these

1931
01:45:18.960 --> 01:45:26.880
<v Speaker 3>connections at the time. So that what I'm saying is

1932
01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:29.199
<v Speaker 3>that Dan of inequity is I claim in Westchester County

1933
01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:32.000
<v Speaker 3>really has its heart in Albany.

1934
01:45:33.159 --> 01:45:33.640
<v Speaker 8>Oh Man.

1935
01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've never really been to Albany, but it just

1936
01:45:36.680 --> 01:45:39.840
<v Speaker 1>as always spooked me out for some reason.

1937
01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:43.960
<v Speaker 2>It's uh, go ahead and Nick, go ahead.

1938
01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:48.720
<v Speaker 5>That's so much of a trip up there, right for

1939
01:45:48.840 --> 01:45:50.720
<v Speaker 5>a long Islander I don't even want to think about driving.

1940
01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:52.640
<v Speaker 2>All I say, what is that about? Eight hours from

1941
01:45:52.800 --> 01:45:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Long Islanders? Yeah.

1942
01:45:56.520 --> 01:45:59.600
<v Speaker 3>So May's worked full time for Clensed ninety two presidential

1943
01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:02.920
<v Speaker 3>campaign and co chair of the Clinton Gore presidential inauguration committee.

1944
01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:05.159
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, this dude, and again he was a member

1945
01:46:05.159 --> 01:46:07.720
<v Speaker 3>of the cult. What he's doing these things? He's there,

1946
01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:08.920
<v Speaker 3>he's there in House council.

1947
01:46:11.960 --> 01:46:12.880
<v Speaker 8>It's insane.

1948
01:46:13.319 --> 01:46:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1949
01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:17.039
<v Speaker 3>See when you when I look at a powerful organization

1950
01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:19.239
<v Speaker 3>that may have amaze and it certainly appears to have

1951
01:46:19.279 --> 01:46:24.720
<v Speaker 3>infiltrated politics. Looking no further. They also produced the film

1952
01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:26.319
<v Speaker 3>or the TV series Small Villain.

1953
01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there, and if they get to be too big,

1954
01:46:35.079 --> 01:46:38.399
<v Speaker 1>they'll make themselves more obscure and turn into a new name.

1955
01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:44.439
<v Speaker 3>They're already doing that. Thank you for being They're already

1956
01:46:44.520 --> 01:46:46.960
<v Speaker 3>doing that. So once, once we're near, he went to prison.

1957
01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:51.279
<v Speaker 3>Once Alison Mack, the actress uh turned state's evidence. Her wife,

1958
01:46:52.319 --> 01:46:55.640
<v Speaker 3>another actress by the name of Nikki Klein from Babylon five,

1959
01:46:56.159 --> 01:46:59.239
<v Speaker 3>all of these ancient alien cargo cult TV shows go figure.

1960
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:01.359
<v Speaker 2>So she did.

1961
01:47:01.399 --> 01:47:03.920
<v Speaker 3>They basically just you know, kind of just changed her operations.

1962
01:47:03.920 --> 01:47:08.039
<v Speaker 3>They're still continuing today. They were doing mk ulture experiments

1963
01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:11.399
<v Speaker 3>in a hospital in Albany. The neurologists and cult member

1964
01:47:11.479 --> 01:47:16.600
<v Speaker 3>lost his medical license over this. That is documented. Wow,

1965
01:47:19.399 --> 01:47:22.159
<v Speaker 3>so we have mk ulture experiments going on, very strikingly

1966
01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:24.600
<v Speaker 3>similar to Ewan Cameron's in the same town, Ewan Cameron

1967
01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:28.399
<v Speaker 3>lived in Albany. This same organization is transporting children across

1968
01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:30.560
<v Speaker 3>the international lines doing child sex trafficking.

1969
01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:33.119
<v Speaker 2>As for the initial charges, not what they got later.

1970
01:47:33.960 --> 01:47:36.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, they threw out some charges from the initial

1971
01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:40.319
<v Speaker 3>indictment Alison Acturn, Alice in Acturn states evidence from nine one.

1972
01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:42.319
<v Speaker 3>If you looked at the filing that her attorney filed,

1973
01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:44.920
<v Speaker 3>she turned. They filed the standard form in which to

1974
01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:47.439
<v Speaker 3>be a narc. So there was a lot more to

1975
01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:49.279
<v Speaker 3>that tail that never got told, swept into the rug.

1976
01:47:49.359 --> 01:47:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Because if you recall that Mexican drug cartel that was

1977
01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:56.079
<v Speaker 3>doing business with the fundamental Mormons in Mexico back in

1978
01:47:56.079 --> 01:47:59.239
<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen where a bunch of women and children got marked.

1979
01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Remember that one, Yeah, I think so.

1980
01:48:02.399 --> 01:48:07.720
<v Speaker 3>Actually, those Mormon fundamentalists of the Romney le Baron compounds. Yeah, yeah,

1981
01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:12.159
<v Speaker 3>Mitten's Romney. Those women and children, those teenage women were

1982
01:48:12.279 --> 01:48:14.560
<v Speaker 3>nannies for the next team Colt, shipping women and children

1983
01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:17.640
<v Speaker 3>to and from Albany in Mexico. They had in Alps

1984
01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:20.680
<v Speaker 3>and Monterey where they were doing MKL for experiments there too.

1985
01:48:23.439 --> 01:48:27.000
<v Speaker 1>It's been my experience that uh, the real the real

1986
01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:31.319
<v Speaker 1>criminals like to network like that, Like have what these

1987
01:48:31.359 --> 01:48:35.520
<v Speaker 1>apparent different groups come together and they're both doing the

1988
01:48:35.560 --> 01:48:40.399
<v Speaker 1>same thing. In this case, it was Mormons and Mexican mafia,

1989
01:48:40.439 --> 01:48:43.560
<v Speaker 1>if you will. But broadly they looked very different and

1990
01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:45.880
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't think they would associate with each other. But

1991
01:48:45.960 --> 01:48:53.359
<v Speaker 1>when they're doing you know yet Yeah, so yeah, straight,

1992
01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:59.439
<v Speaker 1>it's straight hood. It's like gangster into bigger dimensions.

1993
01:49:00.439 --> 01:49:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Yop. Now, I totally agree with you. I have this

1994
01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:05.079
<v Speaker 2>anointed theory that all these.

1995
01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:10.359
<v Speaker 3>Ancient alien cargo colts, p and Jehovah's Witnesses, scientology, Anytholimo organization, Mormonism,

1996
01:49:10.359 --> 01:49:13.000
<v Speaker 3>et cetera, any one of these organizations next to them,

1997
01:49:13.119 --> 01:49:14.199
<v Speaker 3>they're gonna at one point in time.

1998
01:49:14.199 --> 01:49:16.039
<v Speaker 2>They're all doing these seemingly.

1999
01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Disparate activities and operations and organizations, but at some point

2000
01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:21.760
<v Speaker 3>in time, and they're planned operations in the future, they're

2001
01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:23.680
<v Speaker 3>gonna come together like Voltron, you know what I mean,

2002
01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:26.119
<v Speaker 3>some sort of you know, hopefully they'll just blast off

2003
01:49:26.119 --> 01:49:27.640
<v Speaker 3>the planet. We don't have to deal with them anymore.

2004
01:49:27.640 --> 01:49:29.199
<v Speaker 3>But something tells me that I ain't right what they're

2005
01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:32.079
<v Speaker 3>gonna do, But only time will tell.

2006
01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just a little little clandestine additive that they

2007
01:49:40.159 --> 01:49:43.159
<v Speaker 1>can put in and help help them maybe maintain that

2008
01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:48.239
<v Speaker 1>quindestine nature that they have. What about this with your

2009
01:49:48.520 --> 01:49:54.239
<v Speaker 1>experience in Washington, DC? This is this is anecdotal, maybe,

2010
01:49:54.600 --> 01:50:00.920
<v Speaker 1>but I swear the most dangerous drivers I've ever interacted with,

2011
01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the most snaking drivers I've ever interacted with, was they're

2012
01:50:06.680 --> 01:50:07.800
<v Speaker 1>all in Washington, d C.

2013
01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:11.760
<v Speaker 8>Driving. Driving in DC is nuts with snakes.

2014
01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Everyone and everyone has uh crash and dents on their side.

2015
01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:23.479
<v Speaker 1>And not everyone, but so many. The frequency is really

2016
01:50:23.520 --> 01:50:26.800
<v Speaker 1>high because they got snaked and someone didn't see them

2017
01:50:27.079 --> 01:50:29.000
<v Speaker 1>there and someone was trying to snake them and they

2018
01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:32.279
<v Speaker 1>got wrecked into. I never seen so many cars with

2019
01:50:32.439 --> 01:50:35.279
<v Speaker 1>damage on their driver's side.

2020
01:50:36.199 --> 01:50:38.159
<v Speaker 3>You ain't kidding, sir, You ain't kidding. It was kind

2021
01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:39.720
<v Speaker 3>of a surprise, a shock to me when I first

2022
01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:44.640
<v Speaker 3>moved there. In fact, the very first day I was there. Uh,

2023
01:50:45.800 --> 01:50:47.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm bringing up a picture of the bridge to illustrate

2024
01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:52.399
<v Speaker 3>my point here. I was driving.

2025
01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:53.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's very busy.

2026
01:50:53.319 --> 01:50:55.079
<v Speaker 3>It was late at night, It's like eight o'clock at night,

2027
01:50:55.079 --> 01:50:56.560
<v Speaker 3>and there's not a lot of traffic.

2028
01:50:56.600 --> 01:50:58.720
<v Speaker 2>There's some traffic. I when I first moved there.

2029
01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:01.439
<v Speaker 3>I was living in Alexandria, but I have a couple

2030
01:51:01.640 --> 01:51:03.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, my family being from West Virginia, all of

2031
01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:06.399
<v Speaker 3>my aunts and uncles at some point everyone lived in

2032
01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:08.079
<v Speaker 3>and back then they all moved to d C.

2033
01:51:08.279 --> 01:51:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's where he went.

2034
01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:11.760
<v Speaker 3>You either went to like Pittsburgh, Cincinnati or d C

2035
01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:14.199
<v Speaker 3>at the time, right, like to get out West Virginian.

2036
01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:16.720
<v Speaker 3>They all all, all seven of them, at one point

2037
01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:19.960
<v Speaker 3>in time, went to went to d C. So the

2038
01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:22.239
<v Speaker 3>including my father who was stationed there.

2039
01:51:22.079 --> 01:51:23.960
<v Speaker 2>At the time. Uh.

2040
01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:26.600
<v Speaker 3>The uh, which obviously is not necessarily my choice, but

2041
01:51:26.640 --> 01:51:28.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying all of his siblings just happened together as well,

2042
01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:30.359
<v Speaker 3>after you know, leaving West Virginia.

2043
01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:33.000
<v Speaker 2>The uh.

2044
01:51:33.159 --> 01:51:33.359
<v Speaker 1>You know.

2045
01:51:35.560 --> 01:51:37.640
<v Speaker 3>So I'm driving so going to visit one of my aunts.

2046
01:51:37.640 --> 01:51:39.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm driving across the bridge and I'm just picturing this

2047
01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:41.600
<v Speaker 3>in my head because this is how shocking this was

2048
01:51:41.640 --> 01:51:44.039
<v Speaker 3>to me when I first encountered this. But going from

2049
01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:47.159
<v Speaker 3>Alexandria into Maryland on the bridge and everyone's just slowing down,

2050
01:51:47.199 --> 01:51:49.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what is going on? Someone's car had died

2051
01:51:49.439 --> 01:51:51.520
<v Speaker 3>literally in the middle of the two lanes on the bridge,

2052
01:51:52.399 --> 01:51:54.079
<v Speaker 3>literally right in the middle of the two dotted lines

2053
01:51:54.159 --> 01:51:57.399
<v Speaker 3>right there and they just left it. So people were

2054
01:51:57.399 --> 01:51:59.840
<v Speaker 3>having problems just even getting around it from either side

2055
01:51:59.880 --> 01:52:01.640
<v Speaker 3>because of the manner in which this person just left

2056
01:52:01.640 --> 01:52:03.239
<v Speaker 3>their fucking car in the middle of a bridge, in

2057
01:52:03.239 --> 01:52:04.000
<v Speaker 3>the middle of the lane.

2058
01:52:04.359 --> 01:52:06.039
<v Speaker 2>But that's the attitude they have. They're like, shit, it.

2059
01:52:06.079 --> 01:52:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Died, I'm out of here, and they had no other

2060
01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:11.279
<v Speaker 3>thoughts otherwise. And this is my first That was my

2061
01:52:11.279 --> 01:52:13.680
<v Speaker 3>first DC traffic jam, was trying to navigate around this

2062
01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:15.239
<v Speaker 3>car in the middle of a bridge at night when

2063
01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:17.119
<v Speaker 3>no one, you know, people can't figure it out, like, oh,

2064
01:52:17.159 --> 01:52:18.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm new, what do I do? And I'm like, dude,

2065
01:52:18.680 --> 01:52:20.560
<v Speaker 3>drive to the left if you can't get around the right,

2066
01:52:20.600 --> 01:52:20.800
<v Speaker 3>you know.

2067
01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:28.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, driving, Yeah, driving out the wild Compared to New York.

2068
01:52:28.239 --> 01:52:29.439
<v Speaker 4>I thought the driving out there was a.

2069
01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Crazy Yeah, you've seen you know, you've seen a little

2070
01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:35.720
<v Speaker 3>bit of both actually New York City and the DC

2071
01:52:35.880 --> 01:52:36.439
<v Speaker 3>region's own.

2072
01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:41.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. DC is a weird fucking place to me.

2073
01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's not like this is the bridge I'm

2074
01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:45.680
<v Speaker 2>talking about. It's not like you can just be like.

2075
01:52:45.600 --> 01:52:48.439
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'll just drive around like you're like you're literally

2076
01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:49.880
<v Speaker 3>like once you're on there, you're just stuck. You know

2077
01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:52.319
<v Speaker 3>what I mean, you can't like turn around. It ain't

2078
01:52:52.359 --> 01:52:54.760
<v Speaker 3>the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Like that's a real nightmare.

2079
01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't even go. I don't know.

2080
01:52:55.640 --> 01:52:57.800
<v Speaker 3>I try it to ever go hear that. But this

2081
01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:00.760
<v Speaker 3>is the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, connecting the four ninety five

2082
01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:03.960
<v Speaker 3>belt away from Maryland to Virginia. And you know, once

2083
01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:05.359
<v Speaker 3>you get in the middle of it, dude, you when

2084
01:53:05.399 --> 01:53:08.079
<v Speaker 3>you know you're just you're stuck there doing so you know,

2085
01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:10.600
<v Speaker 3>DC's that that's my first that was my first experience

2086
01:53:10.600 --> 01:53:13.239
<v Speaker 3>in DC trafficking. Well, you know, once I lived there, Right,

2087
01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:15.479
<v Speaker 3>I've been there before, but once I lived there, and

2088
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:16.760
<v Speaker 3>it didn't get much better than that.

2089
01:53:18.640 --> 01:53:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's cluster and it's just so snaky. I

2090
01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:27.239
<v Speaker 1>hate to say it's just the worst worst drivers, but yeah,

2091
01:53:27.359 --> 01:53:31.640
<v Speaker 1>New Yorkers is New York City. Everyone's going fast. They're

2092
01:53:31.680 --> 01:53:34.920
<v Speaker 1>not as snaky and crazy and unpredictable though, I think.

2093
01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:39.560
<v Speaker 1>But everyone's going fast and aggressive. But but it's a little.

2094
01:53:39.399 --> 01:53:42.800
<v Speaker 2>What's the what's the number one traffic hazard? And oh

2095
01:53:42.800 --> 01:53:46.439
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, no, I was finished. What's the number one

2096
01:53:46.439 --> 01:53:49.039
<v Speaker 2>traffic hazard? In your parts? Are mainly you help from

2097
01:53:49.039 --> 01:53:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Ethan Elk.

2098
01:53:52.119 --> 01:53:56.520
<v Speaker 1>It's so from my experience in the small town and

2099
01:53:56.720 --> 01:54:00.239
<v Speaker 1>area that I'm from, it's you know, the worst thing

2100
01:54:00.239 --> 01:54:03.439
<v Speaker 1>that might happen is you might get distracted at people

2101
01:54:03.479 --> 01:54:05.640
<v Speaker 1>that are waving at you oncoming traffic.

2102
01:54:06.319 --> 01:54:07.960
<v Speaker 8>You know, it's I mean.

2103
01:54:07.880 --> 01:54:08.760
<v Speaker 2>But it was.

2104
01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:12.920
<v Speaker 1>It was very dangerous for the youth coming up. One

2105
01:54:12.960 --> 01:54:18.199
<v Speaker 1>of the really dangerous things for young people was driving incidences.

2106
01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:18.720
<v Speaker 4>For sure.

2107
01:54:19.560 --> 01:54:20.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna lie to you.

2108
01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:23.159
<v Speaker 3>We don't have Elkin Vermont that they even I mean,

2109
01:54:23.319 --> 01:54:25.359
<v Speaker 3>we had, there's the Elkin Vermont, but they don't. They

2110
01:54:25.399 --> 01:54:26.880
<v Speaker 3>do not come near the size of the ones I

2111
01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:28.800
<v Speaker 3>encountered in Maine. Those are more like the size I've

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<v Speaker 3>encountered in Montana. And those are those sons of bitches

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<v Speaker 3>are huge.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's moves too, which are you know they're obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they're even worse. I forgot about those.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you encounter one, I mean, if and god forbid,

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01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:48.319
<v Speaker 1>your your car does, it's intense. In fact, they'll charge

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<v Speaker 1>population in Maine.

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<v Speaker 8>And maybe sorry, sorry I'm delaying, maybe too, what was.

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<v Speaker 3>That we're both we're on a double I think I

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01:55:00.640 --> 01:55:02.199
<v Speaker 3>was just saying this moose or mean, they'll get your

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<v Speaker 3>car right.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, yeah, there's no joke. Yeah, you gotta really.

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01:55:07.359 --> 01:55:10.399
<v Speaker 1>I think people are just so curious that they lose

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01:55:10.479 --> 01:55:13.800
<v Speaker 1>respective them. But no, you got to respect the moose

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01:55:14.159 --> 01:55:18.560
<v Speaker 1>and and especially in rutting season, they'll just take people out.

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01:55:19.720 --> 01:55:24.520
<v Speaker 1>But they're massive, and in recent years they've been suffering

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01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:30.640
<v Speaker 1>from the tick inundation so much that like they're like

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01:55:31.199 --> 01:55:34.159
<v Speaker 1>losing they can't even eat enough food to feed the

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01:55:34.199 --> 01:55:39.680
<v Speaker 1>amount of parasites on them. So it's crazy the new

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's that the winters aren't killing

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01:55:43.239 --> 01:55:46.199
<v Speaker 1>the ticks or whatever is going on, but there used

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01:55:46.239 --> 01:55:50.520
<v Speaker 1>to not be any problem like that, and now like

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01:55:50.760 --> 01:55:53.720
<v Speaker 1>it's a problem for even like what should be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the hardiest animals.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>So, as we're approached to two hours or Ethan, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to say I appreciate your time and all this

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01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:06.039
<v Speaker 3>conversation you too, Nick as will sir, and uh. I

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01:56:06.079 --> 01:56:07.880
<v Speaker 3>guess got a couple of questions I like to remember

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01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:10.640
<v Speaker 3>by both y'all here, and first of all, Ethan, what

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01:56:11.079 --> 01:56:13.800
<v Speaker 3>i'd appreciate our conversations on the the occult rejects be

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01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:16.239
<v Speaker 3>probably get into your books. I appreciate your conversations on

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01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:18.399
<v Speaker 3>the occult rejects and sharing ideas with you there, and

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01:56:18.399 --> 01:56:21.039
<v Speaker 3>I know we've I commute. I don' want to communicate

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01:56:21.039 --> 01:56:23.479
<v Speaker 3>with probably all the occult rejects all, you know, outside

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01:56:23.479 --> 01:56:25.239
<v Speaker 3>of shows. But you know, you and I have exchanged

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<v Speaker 3>a number of messages and I certainly certainly appreciate those

2149
01:56:28.039 --> 01:56:30.600
<v Speaker 3>thoughts and ideas we exchanged there as well. So you've

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01:56:30.640 --> 01:56:33.319
<v Speaker 3>shared with me some interesting stories. I want to want

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01:56:33.319 --> 01:56:34.920
<v Speaker 3>to ask you to share one of those stories of

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01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:38.560
<v Speaker 3>you anyone that you'd perhaps But what what's your favorite

2153
01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:40.039
<v Speaker 3>show that you've done on.

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01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:42.680
<v Speaker 2>The Occult Rejects that you've participated in.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's a great one, got you. You know, I

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01:56:53.479 --> 01:56:58.279
<v Speaker 1>don't want to say, but I've been inspired by symbolic studies.

2157
01:56:59.800 --> 01:57:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I been inspired by really the input from everyone on

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01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:10.720
<v Speaker 1>a daily basis, and I've really enjoyed kind of hearing

2159
01:57:11.479 --> 01:57:17.960
<v Speaker 1>concepts I've never really considered or don't consider often. Yeah, sure,

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01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:23.199
<v Speaker 1>so hard to say everyone honestly, like Nick and I

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01:57:23.239 --> 01:57:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and Lisa and Jin did marijuana presentation, and I tried

2162
01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:36.239
<v Speaker 1>the whole time in planning this presentation was to make

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01:57:36.319 --> 01:57:40.600
<v Speaker 1>it as well put together and well spoken as all

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01:57:40.640 --> 01:57:42.159
<v Speaker 1>the occult rejects.

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01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I watched that.

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01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:45.279
<v Speaker 8>I just tried.

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01:57:48.119 --> 01:57:51.079
<v Speaker 3>About it last week, so I definitely definitely enjoyed that one.

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01:57:51.359 --> 01:57:52.479
<v Speaker 3>Obviously enjoyed marijuana.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, that one, that one was amazing. You know what,

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01:57:56.560 --> 01:58:00.720
<v Speaker 5>I actually really like the four when you did that.

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01:58:00.720 --> 01:58:02.760
<v Speaker 5>That's actually a topic. I've thought about asking you to

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01:58:02.800 --> 01:58:05.119
<v Speaker 5>redo with the other people on the show, because I

2173
01:58:05.119 --> 01:58:06.840
<v Speaker 5>think that would be really great with everybody.

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01:58:07.800 --> 01:58:14.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm down to the specific. There's a bunch of other

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01:58:14.399 --> 01:58:17.159
<v Speaker 1>specifics that I'm sure I didn't get into, and I

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01:58:17.199 --> 01:58:22.039
<v Speaker 1>can not necessarily repeat that that by that way, So you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know what's actually interesting?

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01:58:23.119 --> 01:58:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a it's a really foundational thought.

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<v Speaker 4>No, go ahead, go ahead and finish.

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01:58:32.479 --> 01:58:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I was just saying, it's a it's a foundational thought

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01:58:36.600 --> 01:58:42.039
<v Speaker 1>pattern that really it's not entirely useful, but it's a

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01:58:42.079 --> 01:58:49.439
<v Speaker 1>fantastic base as for consideration of situations or phenomena or anything.

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01:58:49.760 --> 01:58:53.439
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a great base pattern. There's all kinds

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01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:56.279
<v Speaker 1>of other ways to conceptualize things beyond it, but it's

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01:58:56.279 --> 01:58:59.800
<v Speaker 1>a it's a really fantastic way to have a concrete start.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it, And you got a good foundation, right,

2187
01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:06.800
<v Speaker 3>I like that what you've described to me of these principles.

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01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Of this philosophy. I do I do. I do like it.

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01:59:08.119 --> 01:59:10.279
<v Speaker 3>I would like to participate in the future conversation on

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01:59:10.319 --> 01:59:12.159
<v Speaker 3>the topic. And I wasn't trying to put you on

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01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:14.079
<v Speaker 3>this body, and I do apologize.

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01:59:13.520 --> 01:59:17.119
<v Speaker 1>If you No, I don't know not at all.

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01:59:17.800 --> 01:59:20.279
<v Speaker 3>I agree with Benjamin Selina's here that it was there's

2194
01:59:20.279 --> 01:59:23.479
<v Speaker 3>so many tough questions, so many great topics. So it's, uh,

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01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:26.640
<v Speaker 3>it's a fair it's a fair assessment of the occult reason.

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01:59:26.720 --> 01:59:31.399
<v Speaker 1>I have definitely learned a lot of things that I

2197
01:59:31.520 --> 01:59:36.840
<v Speaker 1>wasn't expecting to learn, even different things and different facets

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01:59:36.840 --> 01:59:42.680
<v Speaker 1>of ways to look at things that I've conceptualized before.

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01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:47.479
<v Speaker 1>So it's I've been learning a lot, and and uh,

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01:59:47.720 --> 01:59:49.840
<v Speaker 1>interacting with all the great people.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I appreciate it, and to that, to that, to

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01:59:53.880 --> 01:59:55.800
<v Speaker 3>your note and to that note there on that matter

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01:59:55.840 --> 02:00:00.800
<v Speaker 3>of four thoughts, I appreciate that. Pardon me, I appreciate

2204
02:00:00.840 --> 02:00:02.600
<v Speaker 3>the time I do over there on the Knebes, the Purge.

2205
02:00:02.720 --> 02:00:05.119
<v Speaker 3>Caine's a great host of enjoyed co hosting with them

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02:00:05.359 --> 02:00:07.439
<v Speaker 3>on these topics. We were actually over on a different

2207
02:00:07.479 --> 02:00:10.159
<v Speaker 3>channel today doing a bit of an Abbott and Costello.

2208
02:00:10.239 --> 02:00:13.079
<v Speaker 3>Ida have four routine on a True Crime with Deega channel,

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<v Speaker 3>which I enjoyed that conversation. But to the point where

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<v Speaker 3>I've crafting my thoughts and ideas, it's through sharing these

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02:00:18.479 --> 02:00:21.000
<v Speaker 3>ideas and having these discussions where I've been able to

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02:00:21.000 --> 02:00:22.720
<v Speaker 3>do that and the I'd have four case on King

2213
02:00:22.800 --> 02:00:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Bees the Purge and I do the same thing over

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<v Speaker 3>there in the Cult Rejects. I've really evolved a lot

2215
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<v Speaker 3>of my thoughts and a lot of the conversations just

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02:00:29.319 --> 02:00:31.960
<v Speaker 3>not discussing my own ideas, but hearing stuff from you,

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02:00:32.079 --> 02:00:34.479
<v Speaker 3>Ethan and other folks that we and Nick has over

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02:00:34.520 --> 02:00:34.960
<v Speaker 3>there on there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I definitely appreciate all those.

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<v Speaker 3>All those things because again it's uh, you know, can

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02:00:39.840 --> 02:00:41.680
<v Speaker 3>rattle around these these thoughts and ideas in my own

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<v Speaker 3>brain hole, but it's getting these ideas out and hearing

2223
02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:46.079
<v Speaker 3>myself and sharing ideas and hearing what they say to

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02:00:46.479 --> 02:00:49.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, I do. I do try to craft uh

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02:00:49.800 --> 02:00:51.960
<v Speaker 3>my my thoughts and ideas in a in a sharper

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02:00:51.960 --> 02:00:53.560
<v Speaker 3>and more digestile format.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I was trying to be as good as

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<v Speaker 1>recent presentations.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think you did. You nailed it. I definitely

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02:01:04.920 --> 02:01:05.600
<v Speaker 2>definitely enjoyed that.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice, nice yeah, and and as insightful the insight that

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<v Speaker 1>the rejects are always providing these v the different topics

2233
02:01:17.640 --> 02:01:21.319
<v Speaker 1>is so great too, right to learning experience and then

2234
02:01:22.159 --> 02:01:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the different input is fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you ain't you ain't kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>And as far as again as I said, I like

2237
02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:31.600
<v Speaker 3>exchanging ideas with you, Ethan. It's helped me evolve some

2238
02:01:31.640 --> 02:01:32.920
<v Speaker 3>of my thoughts on the way I look at some

2239
02:01:32.960 --> 02:01:34.279
<v Speaker 3>things just here in the way you look at some

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<v Speaker 3>things as well, and exchanging ideas. But I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 3>another occult reject that I appreciate the exchange of ideas.

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02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:44.359
<v Speaker 3>It's really caused me to consider a few different things differently.

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02:01:44.600 --> 02:01:47.920
<v Speaker 3>And that's the mad scientist herself, Lisa, because she brought,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the whole idea of the theory of why

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<v Speaker 3>these German shepherds, Nick and I always talk about why

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02:01:51.840 --> 02:01:54.399
<v Speaker 3>are these German shepherds always the victims of these you know,

2247
02:01:54.640 --> 02:01:56.880
<v Speaker 3>these rituals, And she, you know, she brought to our

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02:01:56.880 --> 02:02:01.479
<v Speaker 3>attention that there's an aspect within the I'm not going

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02:02:01.560 --> 02:02:04.439
<v Speaker 3>to do it proper, but essentially, whatever chemical they produce

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<v Speaker 3>in the bonding elements they produce.

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<v Speaker 2>With with their with their you know, their own or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the highest amount of that chemical producing any dog,

2253
02:02:13.880 --> 02:02:16.239
<v Speaker 3>like oxytocin. I don't think it's oxytocin. I think it's

2254
02:02:16.239 --> 02:02:18.119
<v Speaker 3>something else, but it's something like that, right.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Yeah, I'm not sure.

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02:02:22.479 --> 02:02:25.720
<v Speaker 5>I know that the brain that that goes along with

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<v Speaker 5>the relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it had the highest volume in the blood

2259
02:02:29.920 --> 02:02:31.960
<v Speaker 3>for any dog, And you know that way that it's

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<v Speaker 3>they're you know, they're getting more out of the blood

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<v Speaker 3>that way, right, That's yeah, I mean, I know oxytocin.

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<v Speaker 3>It might be oxytos I feel like she had a

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<v Speaker 3>different description of what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe I'm maybe I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a couple. Sometimes the chemicals that are really beneficial

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02:02:47.319 --> 02:02:50.439
<v Speaker 1>work in tandem, I've noticed, So it could be oxytocin

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<v Speaker 1>in another.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>German shepherds are the most directly related to wool wolves.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, really the main difference is that they found

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<v Speaker 1>the wolves are kind of inclined to be very independent

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<v Speaker 1>and not listen, but they kept on finding the wolf

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02:03:12.439 --> 02:03:16.399
<v Speaker 1>that would listen. So they're they're super inclined to not

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<v Speaker 1>only bond, but but really serve and and please and

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02:03:22.199 --> 02:03:25.760
<v Speaker 1>like be befriend. So yeah, interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, and if I may, if I may, sure

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite guests and show we've done there is actually

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02:03:31.039 --> 02:03:33.239
<v Speaker 3>a recent and we've done a lot. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of shows I've enjoyed, and they got a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of shows I've been able to craft my thoughts

2281
02:03:36.880 --> 02:03:39.960
<v Speaker 3>and theories on from maintain alaing cargo cults to ritual murders.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, folks who probably see that my thoughts have

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02:03:42.119 --> 02:03:43.319
<v Speaker 2>evolved in a lot of these subjects.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever, over the couple last couple of years, I've been

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<v Speaker 3>a collaborative over over with the cult rejects, which again

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<v Speaker 3>I always appreciate that. And I'd say, but out of

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02:03:55.880 --> 02:03:57.479
<v Speaker 3>all those shows, again, a lot of a lot of

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02:03:57.479 --> 02:03:58.760
<v Speaker 3>great shows, a lot of great guests.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>We had Greg let On recently talking Mounds, and I'm

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02:04:01.720 --> 02:04:03.840
<v Speaker 3>a Mound dude, and I've been following that dude on

2292
02:04:03.920 --> 02:04:07.479
<v Speaker 3>Twister since I joined Twister, and uh, you know it's

2293
02:04:07.520 --> 02:04:10.039
<v Speaker 3>like nine nine years ago, so you know, as a

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02:04:10.359 --> 02:04:12.720
<v Speaker 3>pretty similar event and having a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>With that dude on Mounds, you know what I.

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<v Speaker 5>Mean, that's ayes, I'm glad that happened.

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02:04:17.479 --> 02:04:21.560
<v Speaker 3>I recommend that shoe that was one where Gen Busted

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<v Speaker 3>has wizard skills.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah he yah, know that episode is really amazing, Like

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<v Speaker 5>I really thoroughly love that show.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. A couple of times, the really insightful nuances have

2303
02:04:35.720 --> 02:04:40.800
<v Speaker 1>really surprised me about subjects that I've read about, talked about, researched,

2304
02:04:41.079 --> 02:04:46.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, some of the really nuanced, nuanced

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<v Speaker 1>level of thinking on different things has been really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, we we all come from different places,

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02:04:51.600 --> 02:04:54.520
<v Speaker 3>have different experiences, and thus have different perspectives, even though

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<v Speaker 3>they may be similar perspectives, but were similar conclusions with

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<v Speaker 3>different perspectives in.

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<v Speaker 4>Which to reach their even yes and go yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's one thing I definitely appreciated about my

2312
02:05:07.720 --> 02:05:09.560
<v Speaker 3>military career was having the ability to meet so many

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<v Speaker 3>people from so many different places, not only around the

2314
02:05:11.479 --> 02:05:14.279
<v Speaker 3>world but around the US, and having an understanding of

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<v Speaker 3>just how different even folks around the US and places

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<v Speaker 3>can be.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, yo, that's really.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh go ahead, no, please please.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just yeah, well, I got a delay, go on,

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<v Speaker 3>I just saw some dead air, so I was jumping,

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<v Speaker 3>uh i.

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02:05:35.319 --> 02:05:35.760
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I supervised a different Puerto Rico one time.

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02:05:37.800 --> 02:05:40.399
<v Speaker 3>He was on that whole Uh No, he was obviously

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02:05:40.399 --> 02:05:42.880
<v Speaker 3>an American, but that whole will teach you some English

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02:05:42.880 --> 02:05:45.239
<v Speaker 3>if you joined the military situation, he he wasn't doing

2327
02:05:45.279 --> 02:05:47.119
<v Speaker 3>too well in that program, so they went ahead and

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02:05:47.479 --> 02:05:50.800
<v Speaker 3>graduated from basic training the Air Force Police Academy and

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02:05:50.880 --> 02:05:52.439
<v Speaker 3>I get him as a young troop and I'm like, dude,

2330
02:05:52.439 --> 02:05:54.880
<v Speaker 3>you don't speak any English, and he's just like shaking

2331
02:05:54.920 --> 02:05:55.720
<v Speaker 3>his head, no oblow.

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02:05:55.760 --> 02:05:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is gonna be weird. You know.

2333
02:06:00.279 --> 02:06:04.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, obviously I was, you know, we became friends,

2334
02:06:04.600 --> 02:06:06.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, I was. We used to go fishing. He

2335
02:06:06.439 --> 02:06:08.239
<v Speaker 3>used to laugh at me because I'm a you know,

2336
02:06:08.279 --> 02:06:11.239
<v Speaker 3>a mountain stream fisherman, not fly fishermen, fishermen, but I

2337
02:06:11.279 --> 02:06:13.840
<v Speaker 3>grew up fishing for trout in the mountains. And you know,

2338
02:06:13.920 --> 02:06:15.920
<v Speaker 3>he's he's, you know, I laugh at him because he's

2339
02:06:15.920 --> 02:06:18.880
<v Speaker 3>putting like marshmallow and corn on his on his uh

2340
02:06:18.880 --> 02:06:20.680
<v Speaker 3>for bait to go cast in the water. I might do,

2341
02:06:20.720 --> 02:06:23.119
<v Speaker 3>what are you catching with that? And it turns out

2342
02:06:23.159 --> 02:06:24.399
<v Speaker 3>he's catching a lot of big trout out of the

2343
02:06:24.439 --> 02:06:27.279
<v Speaker 3>Missouri River. So I was, you know, he taught me

2344
02:06:27.319 --> 02:06:33.640
<v Speaker 3>a thing or two. I'm just say it's it's interesting

2345
02:06:33.640 --> 02:06:35.920
<v Speaker 3>how diverse even America can be when you started learning

2346
02:06:35.920 --> 02:06:37.920
<v Speaker 3>all these different how you know, different areas of the

2347
02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:42.920
<v Speaker 3>country are culturally speaking, not just Puerto Rico, but that's

2348
02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:43.560
<v Speaker 3>a weird place.

2349
02:06:46.399 --> 02:06:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like we it used to be a

2350
02:06:48.960 --> 02:06:51.760
<v Speaker 1>more powerful thing that coming together people.

2351
02:06:51.880 --> 02:06:53.560
<v Speaker 8>It's kind of been disregarded.

2352
02:06:54.000 --> 02:06:57.479
<v Speaker 1>And I had a military buddy he told me that

2353
02:06:57.600 --> 02:07:01.720
<v Speaker 1>if there was, you know, a white guy that didn't

2354
02:07:01.800 --> 02:07:05.840
<v Speaker 1>like a black guy, they would put him in with you,

2355
02:07:07.119 --> 02:07:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the brother of the group type of thing, and they

2356
02:07:09.880 --> 02:07:11.000
<v Speaker 1>would become best friends.

2357
02:07:11.680 --> 02:07:13.840
<v Speaker 3>And by quite honestly, I didn't see a lot of

2358
02:07:13.920 --> 02:07:16.520
<v Speaker 3>racism really, quite honestly in my my military career, very

2359
02:07:16.520 --> 02:07:17.199
<v Speaker 3>few and far between.

2360
02:07:17.479 --> 02:07:20.359
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it was really really condumb from either.

2361
02:07:20.359 --> 02:07:23.840
<v Speaker 2>From any side. From any side. Yeah, sure, sure, I mean,

2362
02:07:23.840 --> 02:07:24.439
<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong.

2363
02:07:24.479 --> 02:07:26.239
<v Speaker 3>I got I was I'm a big used to be

2364
02:07:26.279 --> 02:07:29.319
<v Speaker 3>a big basketball player, so I got called Hitler's you know,

2365
02:07:29.399 --> 02:07:31.600
<v Speaker 3>youth by a number of times in the basketball court before.

2366
02:07:31.680 --> 02:07:33.800
<v Speaker 3>But you know what I mean, like any advice, first,

2367
02:07:33.840 --> 02:07:35.439
<v Speaker 3>I've seen it from every side. But I'm just saying, like,

2368
02:07:35.840 --> 02:07:39.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, overwhelmingly, these are not the standard. These are

2369
02:07:39.119 --> 02:07:41.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, I never, I never was ever in a

2370
02:07:41.680 --> 02:07:43.239
<v Speaker 3>situation in the military. I was like, you know what

2371
02:07:43.279 --> 02:07:46.600
<v Speaker 3>these everyone around me seems racist, you know, at least outwardly.

2372
02:07:46.640 --> 02:07:49.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, I being a military police officer, you know

2373
02:07:50.039 --> 02:07:52.840
<v Speaker 3>you run into a lot of guys that are pretty racist.

2374
02:07:52.880 --> 02:07:57.119
<v Speaker 3>But you know it's, uh, you know, it's not outwardly necessarily,

2375
02:07:57.159 --> 02:07:58.960
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying. So there's not a culture of it,

2376
02:07:59.000 --> 02:08:02.960
<v Speaker 3>but you know there's obviously, you know, influences of it.

2377
02:08:03.119 --> 02:08:09.000
<v Speaker 8>Sure, sure, sure, Yeah.

2378
02:08:09.439 --> 02:08:12.399
<v Speaker 2>The only time I ever saw racism real bad. Go ahead.

2379
02:08:14.880 --> 02:08:16.159
<v Speaker 3>I was just say, the only time I ever saw

2380
02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:18.880
<v Speaker 3>racism real bad, it was I assisted in an investigation

2381
02:08:19.000 --> 02:08:23.119
<v Speaker 3>of a uh I mean the dude, the dude should

2382
02:08:23.159 --> 02:08:26.199
<v Speaker 3>have died. I mean it was a attempted, attempted murder,

2383
02:08:26.199 --> 02:08:27.760
<v Speaker 3>but the dude, I mean, the dude barely pulled through.

2384
02:08:27.800 --> 02:08:30.680
<v Speaker 3>He was in a coma for like a month. He

2385
02:08:30.720 --> 02:08:33.039
<v Speaker 3>got beat senseless. He was a prince All Freemason and

2386
02:08:33.079 --> 02:08:35.159
<v Speaker 3>he got beat senseless by a bunch of other prince

2387
02:08:35.159 --> 02:08:38.199
<v Speaker 3>All Freemasons who crazy.

2388
02:08:38.279 --> 02:08:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it but.

2389
02:08:40.319 --> 02:08:42.079
<v Speaker 3>But when I say it was when I say, when

2390
02:08:42.079 --> 02:08:45.920
<v Speaker 3>I say the racism aspect was my friend my dude

2391
02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:49.239
<v Speaker 3>was the investigator for our unit, right, and I was

2392
02:08:49.439 --> 02:08:52.239
<v Speaker 3>I was just the logistics student, swat team swat team leader.

2393
02:08:52.399 --> 02:08:52.600
<v Speaker 7>You know.

2394
02:08:53.279 --> 02:08:56.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, so I had nothing to do with investigations normally,

2395
02:08:56.960 --> 02:08:58.439
<v Speaker 3>but he, you know, he comes over ind my office

2396
02:08:58.439 --> 02:09:00.399
<v Speaker 3>one day. He's like, dude, I'm in ane to come

2397
02:09:00.439 --> 02:09:03.199
<v Speaker 3>sit with me on a number of interviews with folks,

2398
02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:05.479
<v Speaker 3>just just to be a presence. He's like, you don't

2399
02:09:05.479 --> 02:09:07.880
<v Speaker 3>have to participate, just sit there because they he had

2400
02:09:07.920 --> 02:09:10.000
<v Speaker 3>already done a couple of interviews and one dude literally

2401
02:09:10.079 --> 02:09:12.199
<v Speaker 3>walked out of an interview. This so he's an investigator

2402
02:09:12.199 --> 02:09:15.119
<v Speaker 3>on base, the police investigator. This dude walks out of

2403
02:09:15.159 --> 02:09:18.640
<v Speaker 3>an interview yelling racial you know, you know, savings at him,

2404
02:09:18.680 --> 02:09:21.399
<v Speaker 3>basically saying, I'm never gonna answer your asking questions if

2405
02:09:21.479 --> 02:09:22.159
<v Speaker 3>you that kind of thing.

2406
02:09:22.199 --> 02:09:22.359
<v Speaker 4>You know.

2407
02:09:22.720 --> 02:09:24.600
<v Speaker 2>He's like, dude, this guy was three times my size.

2408
02:09:24.720 --> 02:09:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, which dude was? He's like, he tells me.

2409
02:09:26.159 --> 02:09:27.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, I a seen him at Jim and

2410
02:09:27.239 --> 02:09:29.399
<v Speaker 3>he'd kick your ass to a big time, you know,

2411
02:09:29.560 --> 02:09:32.439
<v Speaker 3>so you know, and he's like, you know so, but

2412
02:09:32.560 --> 02:09:33.520
<v Speaker 3>like I wait to say that.

2413
02:09:33.560 --> 02:09:33.800
<v Speaker 2>People.

2414
02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Some folks got real heated because one dude kept saying,

2415
02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:38.279
<v Speaker 3>it's our business, not your business. And I'm like I

2416
02:09:38.319 --> 02:09:39.920
<v Speaker 3>had to actually have. That was the time I actually

2417
02:09:39.920 --> 02:09:41.560
<v Speaker 3>had to step up and say something. I'm like, well, dude,

2418
02:09:41.640 --> 02:09:43.239
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna bebout to be everyone's business because you're not

2419
02:09:43.239 --> 02:09:45.319
<v Speaker 3>getting fuck out of here until you started answer some questions,

2420
02:09:45.359 --> 02:09:48.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, because it was but there was a lot

2421
02:09:48.279 --> 02:09:50.760
<v Speaker 3>of problems answering questions, and from everything I witnessed, it

2422
02:09:50.800 --> 02:09:53.479
<v Speaker 3>was all racially motivated not wanting to answer our questions

2423
02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:54.439
<v Speaker 3>because of we were white.

2424
02:09:56.359 --> 02:09:57.840
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, you know what I mean.

2425
02:09:58.079 --> 02:09:59.880
<v Speaker 3>But it's you know again, yeah, well they were saying

2426
02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:03.439
<v Speaker 3>their business, it's within the they whatever this dude did,

2427
02:10:03.680 --> 02:10:05.960
<v Speaker 3>we never figured. No one ever got charged, No one

2428
02:10:05.960 --> 02:10:08.079
<v Speaker 3>ever got charged because no conclusions were ever reached in

2429
02:10:08.119 --> 02:10:13.319
<v Speaker 3>the investigation because no one talked.

2430
02:10:12.119 --> 02:10:12.960
<v Speaker 2>And no one talked.

2431
02:10:13.079 --> 02:10:15.159
<v Speaker 3>One thing we could determine was he did something internally

2432
02:10:15.159 --> 02:10:18.319
<v Speaker 3>within their freemasonry system or whatever, and they don't want

2433
02:10:18.359 --> 02:10:21.319
<v Speaker 3>and us asking questions was really offensive to them. And

2434
02:10:21.319 --> 02:10:23.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, you do realize this is a law enforcement investigation.

2435
02:10:23.920 --> 02:10:25.399
<v Speaker 3>You are in the air force, you know, these are

2436
02:10:25.640 --> 02:10:27.399
<v Speaker 3>these aren't cops, and there are these people like work

2437
02:10:27.439 --> 02:10:29.319
<v Speaker 3>on the flight line or mechanics and stuff like that,

2438
02:10:29.359 --> 02:10:31.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, but you do realize that this it was

2439
02:10:31.600 --> 02:10:33.399
<v Speaker 3>beats to near death on an air force base.

2440
02:10:33.399 --> 02:10:35.279
<v Speaker 2>You guys are in the military, right, Let's at least

2441
02:10:35.279 --> 02:10:38.119
<v Speaker 2>pretend like it, you know. But that's really the only answer.

2442
02:10:38.199 --> 02:10:40.520
<v Speaker 8>I say, a whole different group level.

2443
02:10:40.800 --> 02:10:42.680
<v Speaker 3>Dude, they lived, Yeah, they lived in a different, different

2444
02:10:42.720 --> 02:10:44.840
<v Speaker 3>set of circumstances, bro Like they you know, with the

2445
02:10:44.840 --> 02:10:46.600
<v Speaker 3>things I was even saying to them, like they didn't

2446
02:10:46.600 --> 02:10:49.520
<v Speaker 3>really it didn't really phase them. I didn't make any threats.

2447
02:10:49.520 --> 02:10:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I just said, you're not you know, things like you're

2448
02:10:50.840 --> 02:10:53.479
<v Speaker 3>not leaving this room to answer some questions. You're already

2449
02:10:53.479 --> 02:10:55.920
<v Speaker 3>been read your rights, buddy, you know, call you know,

2450
02:10:56.000 --> 02:10:57.760
<v Speaker 3>call your attorney. You need to call an attorney.

2451
02:10:57.800 --> 02:10:58.239
<v Speaker 2>But that's all.

2452
02:10:58.279 --> 02:11:00.159
<v Speaker 3>That's all it's going down here, you know. It's I'm

2453
02:11:00.199 --> 02:11:03.199
<v Speaker 3>just explaining the reasonable circumstances that were taking. My friend

2454
02:11:03.199 --> 02:11:05.159
<v Speaker 3>had to get these interviews on a record. My dude's like,

2455
02:11:05.159 --> 02:11:06.800
<v Speaker 3>I can't get these things done. These dudes were yelling

2456
02:11:06.800 --> 02:11:08.079
<v Speaker 3>at me, the threaten to beat me up. I'm like,

2457
02:11:08.079 --> 02:11:10.920
<v Speaker 3>all right, all right, I'll help you, you know what

2458
02:11:10.960 --> 02:11:13.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean. But again, all of the all of the

2459
02:11:13.399 --> 02:11:17.159
<v Speaker 3>the vitriol eyewitness was racially motivated you know, in that circumstances.

2460
02:11:17.159 --> 02:11:20.479
<v Speaker 3>But again they don't like, you know, whatever Masonic decision

2461
02:11:20.520 --> 02:11:22.039
<v Speaker 3>was made there, you know, and we weren't allowed to

2462
02:11:22.039 --> 02:11:22.840
<v Speaker 3>be asking questions.

2463
02:11:23.119 --> 02:11:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Right.

2464
02:11:25.079 --> 02:11:27.359
<v Speaker 3>That could go for white free masonry too, I'm sure, right,

2465
02:11:27.520 --> 02:11:29.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, and they'd probably have a similar response, it

2466
02:11:29.319 --> 02:11:30.760
<v Speaker 3>just wouldn't be as racially motivated.

2467
02:11:30.800 --> 02:11:34.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. That's my own thing.

2468
02:11:34.560 --> 02:11:39.199
<v Speaker 3>That's my own experience that the military like that.

2469
02:11:39.199 --> 02:11:39.840
<v Speaker 1>That's a trip.

2470
02:11:40.840 --> 02:11:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, imagine beating the piss out of something like literally

2471
02:11:45.279 --> 02:11:47.199
<v Speaker 2>I was killing a dude and then like you know,

2472
02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:50.039
<v Speaker 2>no one, no one's all accountable for it.

2473
02:11:51.880 --> 02:11:54.319
<v Speaker 1>And maybe they were up to something outside of the group,

2474
02:11:54.399 --> 02:11:57.520
<v Speaker 1>but via the group, and who knows what they were doing.

2475
02:11:57.600 --> 02:12:01.239
<v Speaker 8>But he crossed the line, mind you.

2476
02:12:01.359 --> 02:12:05.680
<v Speaker 3>I was apprehended two months after this event, same assignment

2477
02:12:06.399 --> 02:12:10.960
<v Speaker 3>for attempted murder of uh, you know, a white fellow

2478
02:12:11.840 --> 02:12:14.880
<v Speaker 3>he uh is long story, but dude jumped out his

2479
02:12:14.920 --> 02:12:17.560
<v Speaker 3>own window of his dorms after he sliced his own

2480
02:12:17.560 --> 02:12:19.800
<v Speaker 3>wrists up with with the with the glass he broke

2481
02:12:19.840 --> 02:12:22.880
<v Speaker 3>from his mirror. This is all determined later. But he,

2482
02:12:23.279 --> 02:12:24.720
<v Speaker 3>when I say, jumped out the window. He lived on

2483
02:12:24.720 --> 02:12:26.680
<v Speaker 3>the first floor. But he did jump through the window

2484
02:12:26.680 --> 02:12:28.520
<v Speaker 3>of the first floor. He got really drunk beforehand.

2485
02:12:29.000 --> 02:12:30.119
<v Speaker 2>He's a long story.

2486
02:12:30.159 --> 02:12:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Somehow, this guy I got pegged on this that I

2487
02:12:31.880 --> 02:12:35.079
<v Speaker 3>literally got woken up in my in myit in South Korea,

2488
02:12:35.399 --> 02:12:38.039
<v Speaker 3>in my dorm asleep, and I get literally handcoffed in

2489
02:12:38.079 --> 02:12:40.239
<v Speaker 3>my bed and and and yanked out of bed. And

2490
02:12:40.359 --> 02:12:43.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, to say I threw a conniption fit later

2491
02:12:43.239 --> 02:12:46.279
<v Speaker 3>is probably an understatement, but nonetheless, like I, you know,

2492
02:12:46.279 --> 02:12:48.920
<v Speaker 3>I was blamed for these things. And uh, it turns

2493
02:12:48.960 --> 02:12:50.840
<v Speaker 3>out when the dude came to at the hospital after

2494
02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:53.840
<v Speaker 3>getting all sewed up from you know, numerous bleeding everywhere

2495
02:12:53.920 --> 02:12:56.039
<v Speaker 3>kind of thing, because they someone just saw him laying

2496
02:12:56.039 --> 02:12:59.359
<v Speaker 3>outside in the grass bleeding out, you know, like five

2497
02:12:59.399 --> 02:13:02.279
<v Speaker 3>in the morning whatever, and you know, three three in

2498
02:13:02.279 --> 02:13:03.479
<v Speaker 3>the morning. I think it was five in the morning

2499
02:13:03.479 --> 02:13:06.880
<v Speaker 3>when they got me. But you know, I didn't get

2500
02:13:06.880 --> 02:13:08.840
<v Speaker 3>the same treatment as those other guys. They really wanted

2501
02:13:08.880 --> 02:13:10.159
<v Speaker 3>to charge me for that, and I was like, I

2502
02:13:10.159 --> 02:13:12.640
<v Speaker 3>didn't do shit, you know what I mean, Like I'm

2503
02:13:12.680 --> 02:13:14.479
<v Speaker 3>just saying like there's you know, people want to say,

2504
02:13:14.520 --> 02:13:16.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, cops are on trying to do shit to

2505
02:13:16.840 --> 02:13:18.399
<v Speaker 3>you know what I was. You know, I was not.

2506
02:13:18.760 --> 02:13:20.359
<v Speaker 3>There was an hour and a half there. I don't

2507
02:13:20.359 --> 02:13:21.720
<v Speaker 3>know what the fuck was going on. They're like, do

2508
02:13:21.760 --> 02:13:23.319
<v Speaker 3>you want to make a statement, And me and my two,

2509
02:13:23.439 --> 02:13:25.319
<v Speaker 3>my two dudes that I they also pulled out of

2510
02:13:25.319 --> 02:13:27.760
<v Speaker 3>their beds and apprehended it for our same unit. We're

2511
02:13:27.760 --> 02:13:30.600
<v Speaker 3>all we're all military police officers there. They all know us.

2512
02:13:30.640 --> 02:13:33.479
<v Speaker 3>In fact, my two you know, to my two associates there,

2513
02:13:33.560 --> 02:13:35.079
<v Speaker 3>my dudes, they were you know, on the spot team

2514
02:13:35.079 --> 02:13:36.479
<v Speaker 3>with me and stuff like that. They were we were

2515
02:13:36.520 --> 02:13:40.000
<v Speaker 3>all achievers in the unit as far as uh, you know,

2516
02:13:40.359 --> 02:13:45.000
<v Speaker 3>leaders that is, you know, and uh, you know, and

2517
02:13:45.000 --> 02:13:46.000
<v Speaker 3>they're like, do you want to make a statement.

2518
02:13:46.039 --> 02:13:47.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, go fuck yourself.

2519
02:13:47.359 --> 02:13:48.680
<v Speaker 3>That's what I wrote, real big on the on the

2520
02:13:48.720 --> 02:13:50.800
<v Speaker 3>statement and turned and I you know, obviously got yelled

2521
02:13:50.800 --> 02:13:52.920
<v Speaker 3>at later from the commander about that. But you know,

2522
02:13:52.960 --> 02:13:55.640
<v Speaker 3>that was my opinion on the matter, because again, there

2523
02:13:55.680 --> 02:13:57.560
<v Speaker 3>was no one was signing off and pulling anyone out

2524
02:13:57.600 --> 02:13:58.680
<v Speaker 3>of their beds, you know what I mean. There was

2525
02:13:58.720 --> 02:14:01.039
<v Speaker 3>all this hands off stuff and this other investigation where

2526
02:14:01.079 --> 02:14:04.439
<v Speaker 3>dudes literally beat to piss with witnesses. Right, we knew

2527
02:14:04.439 --> 02:14:06.840
<v Speaker 3>who did it from the witnesses, but all the people

2528
02:14:07.399 --> 02:14:09.399
<v Speaker 3>who did it, and they weren't talking, so you know,

2529
02:14:09.720 --> 02:14:11.840
<v Speaker 3>again it was all but it was all dropped. Meanwhile,

2530
02:14:11.840 --> 02:14:13.600
<v Speaker 3>here I am, just two months later, here I am

2531
02:14:13.600 --> 02:14:15.399
<v Speaker 3>getting pulled out of my bed getting charge of attempted

2532
02:14:15.479 --> 02:14:18.199
<v Speaker 3>murder for no proof, no evidence. You see what I'm saying.

2533
02:14:18.439 --> 02:14:20.920
<v Speaker 3>You know, So as far as these ideas of racism go,

2534
02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:22.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying, like, I do you know, I got

2535
02:14:22.520 --> 02:14:31.000
<v Speaker 3>treated way worse in my opinion, Yeah, it's not it's

2536
02:14:31.039 --> 02:14:32.920
<v Speaker 3>not a relevant story other than just saying like, I

2537
02:14:32.920 --> 02:14:35.000
<v Speaker 3>don't know. I mean, sometimes I think people get lost

2538
02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:37.520
<v Speaker 3>in these concepts for saying everything is one way, right

2539
02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:43.039
<v Speaker 3>for sure, I.

2540
02:14:44.720 --> 02:14:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Apologize took us on a long tangent there.

2541
02:14:48.119 --> 02:14:49.399
<v Speaker 8>No, it's interesting.

2542
02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:54.119
<v Speaker 5>It was a good Uh, it's a good storytelling.

2543
02:14:54.159 --> 02:14:56.319
<v Speaker 2>I figured you like the figured like the Prince all

2544
02:14:56.359 --> 02:14:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Freemasonry one.

2545
02:14:57.199 --> 02:15:01.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I think it's interesting. Nobody got trouble obviously, No.

2546
02:15:01.920 --> 02:15:04.520
<v Speaker 3>Dude, they not dude, No one I do. I'm I'm so,

2547
02:15:04.560 --> 02:15:08.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm I get I'm unofficially the co investigator and this

2548
02:15:08.279 --> 02:15:09.840
<v Speaker 3>as a result of being the guy in the room

2549
02:15:09.880 --> 02:15:12.239
<v Speaker 3>and during the interviews, so I'm there when people are

2550
02:15:12.239 --> 02:15:14.279
<v Speaker 3>explaining like nothing's happening, and the base Commander's like, look,

2551
02:15:14.319 --> 02:15:16.319
<v Speaker 3>we're just gonna this. This is no one's getting charged,

2552
02:15:16.640 --> 02:15:19.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, going past et cetera. You know, there's a

2553
02:15:19.159 --> 02:15:21.039
<v Speaker 3>bunch of bunch of decisions made it the higher ranks

2554
02:15:21.079 --> 02:15:22.399
<v Speaker 3>than me obviously, But I was in the room when

2555
02:15:22.399 --> 02:15:24.760
<v Speaker 3>I was you know, the lead investigators told this, nothing's

2556
02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:26.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna come of this, and I was like, oh shit, dude.

2557
02:15:26.800 --> 02:15:29.359
<v Speaker 2>I remember staying there like, how the fuck does no

2558
02:15:29.479 --> 02:15:31.560
<v Speaker 2>one I'd been in a lot of trouble already at this.

2559
02:15:31.560 --> 02:15:34.039
<v Speaker 3>Point in my career, you know, thankfully maintaining my rank,

2560
02:15:34.239 --> 02:15:37.319
<v Speaker 3>mostly drinking related incidents of tom foolery, but you know,

2561
02:15:38.279 --> 02:15:41.600
<v Speaker 3>the uh nonetheless, like come on, like, how do you

2562
02:15:41.600 --> 02:15:44.159
<v Speaker 3>how do you just like know everyone on base knew

2563
02:15:44.159 --> 02:15:46.359
<v Speaker 3>what happened. There was like a dozen witnesses like it

2564
02:15:46.479 --> 02:15:47.720
<v Speaker 3>was a thing, you know what I mean, Like and

2565
02:15:47.760 --> 02:15:49.880
<v Speaker 3>you're just like, nope, nope, no one's getting hell accountable.

2566
02:15:49.920 --> 02:15:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Like it left a weird environment and atmosphere for a while.

2567
02:15:53.039 --> 02:15:56.079
<v Speaker 3>That's shortly there, you know, when that got out on.

2568
02:15:56.079 --> 02:16:01.199
<v Speaker 2>A four thousand, you know what I mean, no one's

2569
02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:03.520
<v Speaker 2>got their families, it's a remote No one's got their

2570
02:16:03.560 --> 02:16:06.760
<v Speaker 2>families with them, so it's a tight knit community.

2571
02:16:07.279 --> 02:16:10.720
<v Speaker 1>And everyone's kind of on their own, but together on

2572
02:16:10.800 --> 02:16:15.119
<v Speaker 1>their together. I knew anyway. I've always wondered in that sense,

2573
02:16:15.279 --> 02:16:20.319
<v Speaker 1>like that's such a gangster thing, like to get beat

2574
02:16:20.439 --> 02:16:25.159
<v Speaker 1>up and not tell, right, Like that's a really actually

2575
02:16:25.239 --> 02:16:32.399
<v Speaker 1>like enforced situation in prison. Often like you if if

2576
02:16:32.520 --> 02:16:34.399
<v Speaker 1>you know it's to a certain point, if you get

2577
02:16:34.399 --> 02:16:37.719
<v Speaker 1>into a fight and you're okay, you don't tell, and

2578
02:16:37.760 --> 02:16:40.479
<v Speaker 1>that way it doesn't happen again, or it doesn't happen

2579
02:16:40.559 --> 02:16:44.840
<v Speaker 1>more severely. And so that's the end that these Masons

2580
02:16:45.280 --> 02:16:48.159
<v Speaker 1>have it built into them to do it too.

2581
02:16:48.200 --> 02:16:50.360
<v Speaker 8>It's just it's so criminal.

2582
02:16:50.440 --> 02:16:52.840
<v Speaker 3>I had that lockdown too. There was no inclination anyone

2583
02:16:52.879 --> 02:16:55.120
<v Speaker 3>was ever going to break. In fact, the mere suggestion

2584
02:16:55.159 --> 02:16:58.159
<v Speaker 3>of us even asking a question was met with outrage

2585
02:16:58.799 --> 02:17:01.399
<v Speaker 3>right right, And that's why I had explained to it

2586
02:17:01.479 --> 02:17:03.399
<v Speaker 3>due I'm like, you do realize, dude, And this dude's

2587
02:17:03.399 --> 02:17:05.559
<v Speaker 3>a master's sergeant and I'm a staff sergeant, and I'm like,

2588
02:17:05.600 --> 02:17:09.120
<v Speaker 3>you do realize dude, this end of that. We're police officers.

2589
02:17:09.159 --> 02:17:11.799
<v Speaker 3>You've been read your rights. You need to answer questions

2590
02:17:12.040 --> 02:17:14.120
<v Speaker 3>and or call an attorney. And say you're not going

2591
02:17:14.200 --> 02:17:17.079
<v Speaker 3>to answer questions, you know, contact the area defense counsel

2592
02:17:17.200 --> 02:17:20.280
<v Speaker 3>and you secure defense counsel and officially write down you're

2593
02:17:20.399 --> 02:17:22.520
<v Speaker 3>not can answer questions. At that point in time, it

2594
02:17:22.520 --> 02:17:24.159
<v Speaker 3>was simply a formality for me to help my my

2595
02:17:24.280 --> 02:17:26.440
<v Speaker 3>dude get this stuff on paper, because again there's people

2596
02:17:26.440 --> 02:17:28.200
<v Speaker 3>freaking out about it, you know people, you know. I

2597
02:17:28.239 --> 02:17:30.239
<v Speaker 3>just didn't want to see any more turmoil over and

2598
02:17:30.239 --> 02:17:32.440
<v Speaker 3>on a Lena wanted to see the matter get resolved,

2599
02:17:32.440 --> 02:17:36.159
<v Speaker 3>considering I'd read all the witness statements that later got deleted,

2600
02:17:37.879 --> 02:17:38.360
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean.

2601
02:17:40.079 --> 02:17:41.600
<v Speaker 2>So I was a you know what I mean, So

2602
02:17:41.760 --> 02:17:42.959
<v Speaker 2>like most of the mostly base.

2603
02:17:42.799 --> 02:17:45.879
<v Speaker 3>Didn't really know what went on there, right, much like

2604
02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:47.879
<v Speaker 3>things So when I when I see police cover ups

2605
02:17:47.879 --> 02:17:51.159
<v Speaker 3>today like the Idaho four case, I understand I have

2606
02:17:51.200 --> 02:17:53.959
<v Speaker 3>an innate understanding of how these things operate because I've

2607
02:17:53.959 --> 02:17:57.360
<v Speaker 3>seenked it. Maybe familiar with the case out of UH

2608
02:17:57.520 --> 02:18:00.799
<v Speaker 3>I won't say a lot of Maybe famber the case

2609
02:18:00.799 --> 02:18:02.799
<v Speaker 3>out of Michigan the number of years back. It was

2610
02:18:02.840 --> 02:18:05.120
<v Speaker 3>an infamous kind of case that was blowing open the media.

2611
02:18:05.639 --> 02:18:08.079
<v Speaker 3>It was a Michigan Salfridge Air National Guarden Air Force

2612
02:18:08.120 --> 02:18:11.559
<v Speaker 3>Reserve base were a handicapped fellow drove through the gate

2613
02:18:12.719 --> 02:18:16.399
<v Speaker 3>just because he got lost, and the military police officers

2614
02:18:16.399 --> 02:18:20.319
<v Speaker 3>of the gate immediately opened fire. Came a big issue

2615
02:18:20.319 --> 02:18:22.360
<v Speaker 3>in lawsuit because they marked that dude pretty quick. At

2616
02:18:22.479 --> 02:18:25.760
<v Speaker 3>least they someone trained them, well at least, you know

2617
02:18:25.799 --> 02:18:27.600
<v Speaker 3>what I mean. So, you know, I and I saw

2618
02:18:27.600 --> 02:18:29.040
<v Speaker 3>how that whole thing went down, and I'm just saying

2619
02:18:29.040 --> 02:18:30.040
<v Speaker 3>there's been a number of Vincent's.

2620
02:18:30.079 --> 02:18:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I personally wentness room. It's like, all right, well this

2621
02:18:32.239 --> 02:18:32.879
<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous.

2622
02:18:32.879 --> 02:18:34.920
<v Speaker 3>You know, I see how this thing's work, and you

2623
02:18:35.000 --> 02:18:36.520
<v Speaker 3>know these kind of uh you know, when I end

2624
02:18:36.799 --> 02:18:38.959
<v Speaker 3>with the Prince all freemasons. Well, I don't know who

2625
02:18:39.040 --> 02:18:42.680
<v Speaker 3>the top prints tall dude was on base. I had

2626
02:18:42.840 --> 02:18:45.360
<v Speaker 3>a couple of friends from the basketball courts and whatnot,

2627
02:18:45.479 --> 02:18:48.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, and uh, the gym that had explained to

2628
02:18:48.520 --> 02:18:50.239
<v Speaker 3>me that I just you know, at a certain point

2629
02:18:50.239 --> 02:18:52.280
<v Speaker 3>we were halfway through those investigations that I needed to

2630
02:18:52.399 --> 02:18:54.440
<v Speaker 3>just call it a day. You know, one that does

2631
02:18:54.600 --> 02:18:56.159
<v Speaker 3>is the one you just seed to call it today.

2632
02:18:56.239 --> 02:18:57.920
<v Speaker 2>J JM. I don't know what that means, Bud, you

2633
02:18:58.000 --> 02:18:58.399
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean.

2634
02:18:58.840 --> 02:19:00.600
<v Speaker 3>So, no one wanted any question, like the whole thing,

2635
02:19:00.639 --> 02:19:02.559
<v Speaker 3>like someone was coming the shots behind the scenes. There

2636
02:19:02.600 --> 02:19:04.680
<v Speaker 3>they you know, with it, and again they kept everyone

2637
02:19:04.760 --> 02:19:06.799
<v Speaker 3>kept their mouth shuts. The base leadership of ultimately was

2638
02:19:06.840 --> 02:19:08.559
<v Speaker 3>just like it's gotten weird for us. And you know,

2639
02:19:09.280 --> 02:19:11.159
<v Speaker 3>maybe they were white Masons. I don't know how these

2640
02:19:11.159 --> 02:19:13.559
<v Speaker 3>Mason things work, but you know.

2641
02:19:13.559 --> 02:19:15.879
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I just watching all that goes down.

2642
02:19:15.920 --> 02:19:19.360
<v Speaker 3>This makes me provided me a very unique perspective on

2643
02:19:19.360 --> 02:19:22.040
<v Speaker 3>how some things get covered up, because I could see

2644
02:19:22.040 --> 02:19:24.760
<v Speaker 3>the whole base in this tiny community not know anything

2645
02:19:24.799 --> 02:19:25.200
<v Speaker 3>about the.

2646
02:19:25.159 --> 02:19:28.680
<v Speaker 8>Detailed story, understandle story.

2647
02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:29.479
<v Speaker 3>Exactly and the story they got and that was not

2648
02:19:29.600 --> 02:19:32.040
<v Speaker 3>the whole story, and they and how it affected them

2649
02:19:32.079 --> 02:19:35.120
<v Speaker 3>because again, it got weird around a four thousand person

2650
02:19:35.239 --> 02:19:38.559
<v Speaker 3>remote base because everyone knew this dude almost fucking died.

2651
02:19:38.639 --> 02:19:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was no secret. Well and everyone, you know.

2652
02:19:41.399 --> 02:19:43.319
<v Speaker 3>A dozen people see it, they tell a dozen people,

2653
02:19:43.399 --> 02:19:46.079
<v Speaker 3>they tell a dozen people. Right suddenly the entire town knows,

2654
02:19:46.120 --> 02:19:49.399
<v Speaker 3>Like Moscow, Idaho, one morning back in November twenty twenty two,

2655
02:19:49.920 --> 02:19:52.799
<v Speaker 3>when suddenly folks start texting everybody between the hours of

2656
02:19:52.840 --> 02:19:54.760
<v Speaker 3>like four and seven, Well, I assure you buy e

2657
02:19:54.879 --> 02:19:55.879
<v Speaker 3>thirty that entire time.

2658
02:19:55.920 --> 02:19:59.280
<v Speaker 2>What a fucking moon and in the same regard.

2659
02:19:59.360 --> 02:20:01.120
<v Speaker 3>They now see the the outcome of the results of

2660
02:20:01.120 --> 02:20:03.360
<v Speaker 3>that case, and I'm sure they have experienced a similar

2661
02:20:03.360 --> 02:20:06.079
<v Speaker 3>atmosphere amongst some of those townsfolk that we experienced on

2662
02:20:06.120 --> 02:20:08.559
<v Speaker 3>that base because this dude, again, you know, in the

2663
02:20:08.559 --> 02:20:12.159
<v Speaker 3>middle of the middle of the summer night, in plain

2664
02:20:12.319 --> 02:20:14.399
<v Speaker 3>view of lots of people, they had no problem picking

2665
02:20:14.479 --> 02:20:17.319
<v Speaker 3>up a huge trash can and beating the dude's skulling

2666
02:20:17.399 --> 02:20:20.559
<v Speaker 3>on the sidewalk. This is after he had had numerous

2667
02:20:20.559 --> 02:20:23.159
<v Speaker 3>broken ribs and everything else. So this is the level

2668
02:20:23.159 --> 02:20:25.760
<v Speaker 3>of they didn't give a fuck I'm talking about. Right,

2669
02:20:25.799 --> 02:20:30.840
<v Speaker 3>There was no concern of being held accountable there, but

2670
02:20:30.879 --> 02:20:33.559
<v Speaker 3>it certainly that air of lack of accountability.

2671
02:20:33.600 --> 02:20:36.319
<v Speaker 2>It hit home, I assure you, across the entire the

2672
02:20:36.440 --> 02:20:40.840
<v Speaker 2>entire base. And on that same note, dude, they try

2673
02:20:40.879 --> 02:20:42.840
<v Speaker 2>to fry me. Dude, they try to frime me.

2674
02:20:42.879 --> 02:20:45.479
<v Speaker 3>Months earlier this I broke a dude's leg in an

2675
02:20:45.520 --> 02:20:48.719
<v Speaker 3>amateur soccer match and we played. I was on the

2676
02:20:48.719 --> 02:20:51.440
<v Speaker 3>base team, I was the defensive captain, and we played

2677
02:20:51.440 --> 02:20:54.360
<v Speaker 3>in a local amateur soccer leage around Korea as well.

2678
02:20:54.760 --> 02:20:58.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, I indvertently broke a dude's leg in a

2679
02:20:58.719 --> 02:21:02.920
<v Speaker 3>clearly legal slide to nonetheless, do they try to make

2680
02:21:02.959 --> 02:21:06.760
<v Speaker 3>an international incident out of that? Meanwhile, dude's face got

2681
02:21:07.280 --> 02:21:09.360
<v Speaker 3>stomped in by a trash can and full of you,

2682
02:21:09.440 --> 02:21:11.040
<v Speaker 3>of a lot of people, and they're like, no, we're

2683
02:21:11.040 --> 02:21:12.840
<v Speaker 3>not even doing ithing about this. So you see, you

2684
02:21:12.920 --> 02:21:15.520
<v Speaker 3>understand the injustice I was seeing within this short period

2685
02:21:15.520 --> 02:21:17.360
<v Speaker 3>of time in my life. It's uh, it left a

2686
02:21:17.440 --> 02:21:21.399
<v Speaker 3>lasting impression. But I hear Nick would enjoy the Prince

2687
02:21:21.440 --> 02:21:22.159
<v Speaker 3>all Freemasonry.

2688
02:21:27.280 --> 02:21:28.879
<v Speaker 2>What are your what are your thoughts on cover ups?

2689
02:21:28.920 --> 02:21:30.280
<v Speaker 2>You used to do some p I work there in

2690
02:21:30.319 --> 02:21:31.000
<v Speaker 2>your earlier days.

2691
02:21:31.000 --> 02:21:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Even that was the one story I wanted wanted to

2692
02:21:33.159 --> 02:21:35.319
<v Speaker 3>ask you on this long tangent of trying to land

2693
02:21:35.360 --> 02:21:37.280
<v Speaker 3>this year's show, that I appreciate about you just times

2694
02:21:37.440 --> 02:21:38.559
<v Speaker 3>I've enjoyed some of your tails.

2695
02:21:38.600 --> 02:21:43.760
<v Speaker 2>You've shared about the PI times you've done. Yeah, before

2696
02:21:43.799 --> 02:21:44.440
<v Speaker 2>your days of.

2697
02:21:44.360 --> 02:21:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Being an author, philosopher or sir, you were doing some

2698
02:21:47.079 --> 02:21:49.120
<v Speaker 3>p I work in Boston. I find that very intriguing.

2699
02:21:50.840 --> 02:21:57.879
<v Speaker 1>I was inspired to get the PI experience because I

2700
02:21:57.920 --> 02:22:00.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be an author, you know, the next great

2701
02:22:00.719 --> 02:22:04.000
<v Speaker 1>detective novel, as I said, which I still might have

2702
02:22:04.120 --> 02:22:09.600
<v Speaker 1>in me we'll see. I guess I put off writing fiction.

2703
02:22:09.760 --> 02:22:11.760
<v Speaker 8>So much that it hasn't happened yet.

2704
02:22:11.799 --> 02:22:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Although I've written a couple of fiction works, I tend

2705
02:22:14.760 --> 02:22:19.280
<v Speaker 1>to focus on non fiction philosophy. But it was very interesting.

2706
02:22:19.360 --> 02:22:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there are you know, it's a very you

2707
02:22:24.799 --> 02:22:27.360
<v Speaker 1>have to be a little a moral, you know, it's

2708
02:22:27.479 --> 02:22:30.479
<v Speaker 1>kind of there's you're you're crossing the gray line of

2709
02:22:31.760 --> 02:22:35.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, what's right and wrong if you will, you know,

2710
02:22:35.920 --> 02:22:40.840
<v Speaker 1>But I found it was it was most frequently, at

2711
02:22:40.959 --> 02:22:45.200
<v Speaker 1>least at my level, although they did have some more

2712
02:22:45.559 --> 02:22:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, interesting operations and clients. The level that I

2713
02:22:51.079 --> 02:22:57.840
<v Speaker 1>dealt with was cheating spouses and insurance.

2714
02:22:59.799 --> 02:23:00.000
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

2715
02:23:00.079 --> 02:23:02.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and and the insurance frauds was was a big

2716
02:23:03.000 --> 02:23:07.440
<v Speaker 1>thing too. So it was it was all in all,

2717
02:23:07.559 --> 02:23:11.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, very you know, typical work that I did.

2718
02:23:11.639 --> 02:23:15.840
<v Speaker 1>It was it was interesting talking with authorities, you know,

2719
02:23:15.879 --> 02:23:18.440
<v Speaker 1>because you're you're in at least in the state I

2720
02:23:18.600 --> 02:23:22.159
<v Speaker 1>was in Massachusetts. I think the rule, I don't know

2721
02:23:22.200 --> 02:23:25.280
<v Speaker 1>how law it is, but the idea if you were

2722
02:23:25.319 --> 02:23:28.159
<v Speaker 1>a p I was that you were supposed to inform

2723
02:23:28.760 --> 02:23:32.799
<v Speaker 1>the local police that you were doing so and contracted

2724
02:23:32.840 --> 02:23:35.040
<v Speaker 1>to do so, and you would be at a certain

2725
02:23:35.120 --> 02:23:38.360
<v Speaker 1>space at a certain time, and that way, if they

2726
02:23:38.399 --> 02:23:41.879
<v Speaker 1>got any calls, they would you know, say oh yeah,

2727
02:23:41.920 --> 02:23:46.000
<v Speaker 1>we'll we'll check on it early. Yeah, very you know,

2728
02:23:46.040 --> 02:23:50.799
<v Speaker 1>they were they knew what was going on. So uh,

2729
02:23:51.040 --> 02:23:53.879
<v Speaker 1>sometimes we would do that, and sometimes we wouldn't, or

2730
02:23:54.040 --> 02:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I was told not to rather so that that

2731
02:23:58.000 --> 02:24:02.079
<v Speaker 1>sometimes would put you in different spots to where like

2732
02:24:02.159 --> 02:24:07.680
<v Speaker 1>you're in yeah, you know, you might you know, you

2733
02:24:07.719 --> 02:24:11.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know what has occurred the last seven days, and

2734
02:24:11.879 --> 02:24:15.479
<v Speaker 1>you were told to park in the same parking spot

2735
02:24:15.559 --> 02:24:16.920
<v Speaker 1>as the last.

2736
02:24:16.639 --> 02:24:19.680
<v Speaker 8>Seven days as other twerp's doing your.

2737
02:24:19.639 --> 02:24:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Job, and you go there and they're automatically vibing, and

2738
02:24:25.159 --> 02:24:28.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't realize that everyone was stressing out

2739
02:24:28.200 --> 02:24:32.159
<v Speaker 1>until you leave and there's like, you know, ten police

2740
02:24:32.200 --> 02:24:33.520
<v Speaker 1>cars down the street.

2741
02:24:33.879 --> 02:24:35.879
<v Speaker 2>Waiting for you, right.

2742
02:24:37.600 --> 02:24:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Just waiting more or less kind of waiting, you know

2743
02:24:41.920 --> 02:24:45.680
<v Speaker 1>that when you leave and giving the appearance that they're

2744
02:24:45.719 --> 02:24:48.719
<v Speaker 1>about to do something, maybe to people knowing that you're

2745
02:24:48.799 --> 02:24:52.760
<v Speaker 1>just a PI and in fact kind of kind of

2746
02:24:52.760 --> 02:24:55.559
<v Speaker 1>not not backing you up, but just letting you do

2747
02:24:55.639 --> 02:24:58.120
<v Speaker 1>your thing because you told them that you were there

2748
02:24:58.319 --> 02:25:00.239
<v Speaker 1>or explained to them that you were right.

2749
02:25:00.520 --> 02:25:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Because you've got to do that, right.

2750
02:25:07.040 --> 02:25:10.280
<v Speaker 1>You're supposed to, and and then realizing on your way

2751
02:25:10.280 --> 02:25:14.120
<v Speaker 1>out by seeing all them that every neighbor must have

2752
02:25:14.200 --> 02:25:17.239
<v Speaker 1>been talking about you, and everyone that walked by you

2753
02:25:17.479 --> 02:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>was actually checking you.

2754
02:25:19.000 --> 02:25:23.399
<v Speaker 8>Out and not just walking by, and you know it,

2755
02:25:25.479 --> 02:25:28.559
<v Speaker 8>Oh yeah, Karen's cool. Or of course you know I have.

2756
02:25:28.799 --> 02:25:32.760
<v Speaker 1>I have a kind of you know, a soft personality,

2757
02:25:32.879 --> 02:25:37.000
<v Speaker 1>unsuspecting appearance, you know. So it was you know, people

2758
02:25:37.200 --> 02:25:40.360
<v Speaker 1>weren't necessarily you know, confrontational with me.

2759
02:25:40.760 --> 02:25:43.639
<v Speaker 8>Automatic, but yeah, it was curious.

2760
02:25:45.440 --> 02:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, no, I think people were you know,

2761
02:25:54.079 --> 02:25:57.680
<v Speaker 1>uh more, I didn't. I didn't fit the bill, you

2762
02:25:57.719 --> 02:25:59.440
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, they didn't think The last thing

2763
02:25:59.479 --> 02:26:02.760
<v Speaker 1>they thought was that I was a private detective more

2764
02:26:03.559 --> 02:26:05.879
<v Speaker 1>cre marijuana or something.

2765
02:26:10.680 --> 02:26:12.879
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, no, it was interesting. I learned a lot.

2766
02:26:12.959 --> 02:26:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, you when when you get into a

2767
02:26:16.680 --> 02:26:20.360
<v Speaker 1>realm where there's a bunch of different people, you learn

2768
02:26:20.440 --> 02:26:22.760
<v Speaker 1>about people and how we're similar and different.

2769
02:26:23.840 --> 02:26:26.920
<v Speaker 8>I I'm I realized that we're.

2770
02:26:26.760 --> 02:26:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Kind of creepy to think about.

2771
02:26:27.840 --> 02:26:31.239
<v Speaker 3>But as your job, you're watching your you're you're analyzing,

2772
02:26:31.280 --> 02:26:31.959
<v Speaker 3>you're taking notes.

2773
02:26:32.000 --> 02:26:33.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you learn a lot doing these things, right.

2774
02:26:35.040 --> 02:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's I mean, it's interesting how easy it is

2775
02:26:37.760 --> 02:26:40.920
<v Speaker 1>to tell somebody and how easy it is to observe

2776
02:26:41.000 --> 02:26:42.600
<v Speaker 1>somebody in that respect.

2777
02:26:43.520 --> 02:26:49.040
<v Speaker 8>People borderline, very very borderline.

2778
02:26:50.600 --> 02:26:54.479
<v Speaker 1>No, no, not generally unless they're really up to something right,

2779
02:26:54.559 --> 02:26:55.239
<v Speaker 1>then then.

2780
02:26:55.120 --> 02:26:55.639
<v Speaker 8>They're on right.

2781
02:26:58.079 --> 02:27:00.479
<v Speaker 3>Then they're hyper apparent right, and then that's the even

2782
02:27:00.520 --> 02:27:02.319
<v Speaker 3>easier to kind of track in some regards.

2783
02:27:03.360 --> 02:27:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I found there was a few different types of

2784
02:27:06.639 --> 02:27:13.280
<v Speaker 1>fellow PISA and there were kind of the former military guys,

2785
02:27:13.760 --> 02:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and there were the detective type of guys they might

2786
02:27:18.680 --> 02:27:22.680
<v Speaker 1>have had police experience, and then there was like the

2787
02:27:22.719 --> 02:27:28.879
<v Speaker 1>wild card that was total conspiratorial minded. I found that

2788
02:27:28.959 --> 02:27:33.559
<v Speaker 1>there were quite a few of those type of guys

2789
02:27:34.399 --> 02:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>that were really knowledgeable to some nuanced things in the world,

2790
02:27:38.120 --> 02:27:41.840
<v Speaker 1>and we're also doing this private detective work.

2791
02:27:43.600 --> 02:27:45.520
<v Speaker 3>I would offer a fourth class, I like where you're

2792
02:27:45.559 --> 02:27:48.879
<v Speaker 3>at with that, and analyze these different groups. The fourth

2793
02:27:48.879 --> 02:27:52.600
<v Speaker 3>class I would call soldiers of Fortune, not you know,

2794
02:27:52.719 --> 02:27:56.239
<v Speaker 3>actual mercenaries, the folks that would subscribe to the magazine

2795
02:27:56.239 --> 02:27:58.239
<v Speaker 3>Soldiers of Fortune and then order all the gear and

2796
02:27:58.319 --> 02:28:00.520
<v Speaker 3>kit in the back of it, because then you know,

2797
02:28:00.520 --> 02:28:02.280
<v Speaker 3>it's the folks to show up with, you know, three

2798
02:28:02.280 --> 02:28:05.559
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars worth of tat equipment, but have no tactical

2799
02:28:05.559 --> 02:28:06.360
<v Speaker 3>skills whatsoever.

2800
02:28:07.280 --> 02:28:08.959
<v Speaker 2>You know, I mean, can't reload their gun, that kind

2801
02:28:08.959 --> 02:28:09.079
<v Speaker 2>of you.

2802
02:28:09.239 --> 02:28:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Those kind of folks, A lot of the folks that

2803
02:28:11.120 --> 02:28:13.680
<v Speaker 3>and I'm not trying to diminish their person or character,

2804
02:28:13.799 --> 02:28:16.319
<v Speaker 3>but they couldn't qualify for the military, right and then

2805
02:28:16.399 --> 02:28:18.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, then they go be a security garden oftentimes

2806
02:28:18.559 --> 02:28:21.399
<v Speaker 3>end up being PI security firms and stuff like that.

2807
02:28:21.520 --> 02:28:24.000
<v Speaker 3>And it's these characters that I've found to be kind

2808
02:28:24.000 --> 02:28:26.600
<v Speaker 3>of wild cards because they think there's some sort of

2809
02:28:26.760 --> 02:28:29.959
<v Speaker 3>rambow or something like that. Little do they know they

2810
02:28:29.959 --> 02:28:31.399
<v Speaker 3>have no skill sets whatsoever.

2811
02:28:34.840 --> 02:28:36.280
<v Speaker 8>That's a that's a good observation.

2812
02:28:37.159 --> 02:28:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I have supervised a number of these characters as well

2813
02:28:39.280 --> 02:28:42.200
<v Speaker 3>in my Air Force career. Sadly, again, I'm not trying

2814
02:28:42.200 --> 02:28:44.760
<v Speaker 3>to diminish my my folks I served with, which I

2815
02:28:44.840 --> 02:28:46.680
<v Speaker 3>certainly appreciate all all the folks I served with them,

2816
02:28:46.719 --> 02:28:49.760
<v Speaker 3>just saying when you have the lowest as of AB score,

2817
02:28:49.920 --> 02:28:52.680
<v Speaker 3>the lowest qualifying score on the aptitude test which to

2818
02:28:52.760 --> 02:28:55.920
<v Speaker 3>qualify for the Air Force, you qualify for security forces,

2819
02:28:56.280 --> 02:28:58.639
<v Speaker 3>the military police and security function of the Air Force

2820
02:28:59.000 --> 02:29:01.559
<v Speaker 3>in infantry, funk kind of they do. We did haved

2821
02:29:01.600 --> 02:29:05.040
<v Speaker 3>some infantry details off of the Army Infantry training and manuals.

2822
02:29:05.040 --> 02:29:07.040
<v Speaker 2>So that was those were the core functions for the

2823
02:29:07.079 --> 02:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>most part.

2824
02:29:07.440 --> 02:29:09.600
<v Speaker 3>But in that regard you deal with a lot of

2825
02:29:09.920 --> 02:29:11.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, jar head kind of mentality if you will,

2826
02:29:11.840 --> 02:29:15.040
<v Speaker 3>and you know lowest ASVAP score that you know, some

2827
02:29:15.120 --> 02:29:18.079
<v Speaker 3>of those same characters who do qualify for the military services,

2828
02:29:18.840 --> 02:29:21.200
<v Speaker 3>they really don't have much to offer, but you know, nonetheless,

2829
02:29:21.319 --> 02:29:23.319
<v Speaker 3>uh you know, and they are tough to get to

2830
02:29:23.319 --> 02:29:24.920
<v Speaker 3>do anything, you know what I mean, because they you know,

2831
02:29:25.319 --> 02:29:27.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm not lying, you do. There's a guy that you know,

2832
02:29:27.239 --> 02:29:29.920
<v Speaker 3>I starved with. His name was Ed's. I called him

2833
02:29:29.959 --> 02:29:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Special Ads because somehow he made staff sergeant. We were

2834
02:29:33.840 --> 02:29:35.840
<v Speaker 3>stay together in Montana. I see him again in Ohio

2835
02:29:35.959 --> 02:29:38.200
<v Speaker 3>years later, we're both staff stargeants.

2836
02:29:37.879 --> 02:29:40.319
<v Speaker 2>With this points. He was like two ranks ahead of

2837
02:29:40.319 --> 02:29:41.840
<v Speaker 2>me when I first saw him. I don't know, but he.

2838
02:29:41.760 --> 02:29:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Couldn't qualify on his weapon. I'm like, well, due, how

2839
02:29:43.680 --> 02:29:45.200
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna be a cop if you can't even how

2840
02:29:45.200 --> 02:29:45.840
<v Speaker 3>did you get here?

2841
02:29:45.959 --> 02:29:46.479
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean?

2842
02:29:46.840 --> 02:29:48.680
<v Speaker 3>So they assigned him to ride around me for a

2843
02:29:48.719 --> 02:29:50.280
<v Speaker 3>few months for medial training and stuff. Have to go

2844
02:29:50.319 --> 02:29:52.319
<v Speaker 3>to the range with the dude all the time. He

2845
02:29:52.360 --> 02:29:53.840
<v Speaker 3>just couldn't get it to I don't know what was

2846
02:29:53.840 --> 02:29:55.840
<v Speaker 3>going on in the dude's life. You can't hit a

2847
02:29:55.920 --> 02:29:58.040
<v Speaker 3>target from ten years away, Bud, what's going on in life?

2848
02:29:58.040 --> 02:30:01.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, not the circle. Just just hit a target.

2849
02:30:00.639 --> 02:30:02.159
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? So this is what I

2850
02:30:02.200 --> 02:30:03.719
<v Speaker 2>mean by no skill sets them no.

2851
02:30:03.799 --> 02:30:06.559
<v Speaker 3>Skill sets that are applicable to the circumstances in which

2852
02:30:06.559 --> 02:30:09.360
<v Speaker 3>they're trying to accomplish. Right, So I'm just saying I've

2853
02:30:09.360 --> 02:30:12.559
<v Speaker 3>met that we all thought was another. He's the last

2854
02:30:12.600 --> 02:30:14.000
<v Speaker 3>I seen to him. He was the head of security

2855
02:30:14.040 --> 02:30:17.399
<v Speaker 3>of TSA at the Dayton Airport. So it's you know,

2856
02:30:18.200 --> 02:30:19.479
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of it's kind of the people I think

2857
02:30:19.479 --> 02:30:21.959
<v Speaker 3>to go to the TSA kind of activities to these

2858
02:30:22.280 --> 02:30:25.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, same same, the same kind of components you

2859
02:30:25.639 --> 02:30:28.959
<v Speaker 3>you layed to the private investigation and security industry. I

2860
02:30:28.959 --> 02:30:31.520
<v Speaker 3>would say that TSA kind of falls with in that

2861
02:30:31.600 --> 02:30:37.200
<v Speaker 3>kind of same dynamics as well. Yeah sure, but if

2862
02:30:37.239 --> 02:30:40.079
<v Speaker 3>you if you wonder why TSA can't find anything at

2863
02:30:40.120 --> 02:30:43.200
<v Speaker 3>security checkpoints, well, I you know, at least the Dton

2864
02:30:43.239 --> 02:30:45.079
<v Speaker 3>Airport for a while. The head of security there, I

2865
02:30:45.079 --> 02:30:46.760
<v Speaker 3>mean he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn

2866
02:30:46.799 --> 02:30:48.680
<v Speaker 3>from ten meters away with a pistol, dude, And what

2867
02:30:48.760 --> 02:30:50.360
<v Speaker 3>else is he gonna If you can't hit that, what's

2868
02:30:50.360 --> 02:30:53.040
<v Speaker 3>he finding any kind of baggage or you know whatnot

2869
02:30:55.280 --> 02:30:57.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm not kidding. They end up discharging this too. Just

2870
02:30:57.680 --> 02:30:59.520
<v Speaker 3>he couldn't qualify for his job, and I was like,

2871
02:30:59.559 --> 02:31:01.479
<v Speaker 3>I I kind of felt bad, But it wasn't in

2872
02:31:01.520 --> 02:31:02.559
<v Speaker 3>my failures at all.

2873
02:31:02.600 --> 02:31:06.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, again, I do, I've never seen anyone shoot

2874
02:31:06.200 --> 02:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>so bad Jod.

2875
02:31:09.440 --> 02:31:12.120
<v Speaker 3>He'd been in longer than me and technically outranked me

2876
02:31:12.120 --> 02:31:14.440
<v Speaker 3>in time and service time and like grade in service

2877
02:31:14.479 --> 02:31:17.040
<v Speaker 3>and whatnot. So it wasn't a factor of that he'd

2878
02:31:17.040 --> 02:31:19.120
<v Speaker 3>had enough time. I mean, I don't know how he

2879
02:31:19.159 --> 02:31:20.760
<v Speaker 3>got that far, you know.

2880
02:31:21.719 --> 02:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>And do you think you'd be able to I mean,

2881
02:31:24.559 --> 02:31:28.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a practice well practiced shooter, but you think

2882
02:31:28.200 --> 02:31:31.079
<v Speaker 1>you'd be able to adjust your shot with more practice?

2883
02:31:31.120 --> 02:31:33.120
<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying, Dude, he couldn't. I couldn't do anything.

2884
02:31:33.120 --> 02:31:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't get him to do anything, dude.

2885
02:31:34.360 --> 02:31:36.920
<v Speaker 3>It was just I mean, at one point time I

2886
02:31:36.920 --> 02:31:39.440
<v Speaker 3>thought it was just a motivation factor, right, But then like,

2887
02:31:40.399 --> 02:31:42.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I really couldn't figure it out. But

2888
02:31:43.200 --> 02:31:45.000
<v Speaker 3>I felt, I honestly felt like a failure bit because

2889
02:31:45.000 --> 02:31:47.079
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't get the guy to it was the first

2890
02:31:47.079 --> 02:31:50.200
<v Speaker 3>person I could never get to right to shoot right

2891
02:31:50.799 --> 02:31:53.079
<v Speaker 3>when the first person id tught on a range, you

2892
02:31:53.120 --> 02:31:55.079
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, I just the first person, I

2893
02:31:55.120 --> 02:31:57.280
<v Speaker 3>felt and accomplishing a goal of getting him to.

2894
02:31:57.319 --> 02:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Hit the target from nearly right in front. So it's

2895
02:32:03.920 --> 02:32:04.399
<v Speaker 2>pretty exact.

2896
02:32:05.879 --> 02:32:10.559
<v Speaker 3>I reciprocate your your sentiments analysis there on the industry

2897
02:32:10.559 --> 02:32:12.639
<v Speaker 3>of the PI industry was not an industry I really found.

2898
02:32:13.959 --> 02:32:15.360
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't for me. It wasn't for me.

2899
02:32:16.600 --> 02:32:18.639
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, it's a.

2900
02:32:18.760 --> 02:32:21.840
<v Speaker 1>It's it's amoral. You gotta be amoral to do it.

2901
02:32:22.280 --> 02:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>You gotta kind of, like you said, you're following people

2902
02:32:25.319 --> 02:32:28.959
<v Speaker 1>all the time, and like maybe, you know, maybe you

2903
02:32:29.159 --> 02:32:32.719
<v Speaker 1>encounter a woman that's maybe being fraudulent on your on

2904
02:32:32.879 --> 02:32:35.959
<v Speaker 1>her insurance, but I mean, you know, maybe she's some

2905
02:32:36.120 --> 02:32:38.879
<v Speaker 1>poor lady, you know, and it's a kind of does

2906
02:32:38.959 --> 02:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>your head in for me.

2907
02:32:40.639 --> 02:32:42.520
<v Speaker 8>It did my head in too much.

2908
02:32:43.159 --> 02:32:44.959
<v Speaker 3>No too, I totally agree with you. I understand what

2909
02:32:45.000 --> 02:32:47.920
<v Speaker 3>you're saying for sure. You know, so you worked in

2910
02:32:47.959 --> 02:32:50.000
<v Speaker 3>more of a corporate fashion, right I just worked. I

2911
02:32:50.040 --> 02:32:52.399
<v Speaker 3>had my own little operation, but I'm sure it's even

2912
02:32:52.520 --> 02:32:53.799
<v Speaker 3>kind of worse in the corporate fashion.

2913
02:32:54.959 --> 02:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they they had good they were pretty busy.

2914
02:32:58.959 --> 02:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>So and and Duff must have had corporate accounts with

2915
02:33:02.959 --> 02:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>the insurance companies. Yeah, so yeah, it was it was yeah,

2916
02:33:07.559 --> 02:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>probably that maybe they weren't cheating. Maybe they weren't. I

2917
02:33:09.920 --> 02:33:13.559
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but like they're probably broke some of them.

2918
02:33:13.680 --> 02:33:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Some of them were just outright cheats, you know, nice

2919
02:33:16.639 --> 02:33:21.959
<v Speaker 1>house not you know, not being honest, like that's not cool.

2920
02:33:22.440 --> 02:33:24.399
<v Speaker 8>But some of them are like, you know, some poor

2921
02:33:24.559 --> 02:33:26.840
<v Speaker 8>lady in the ghetto. It's just like, oh God, like

2922
02:33:27.000 --> 02:33:28.040
<v Speaker 8>I don't want to do.

2923
02:33:28.239 --> 02:33:31.959
<v Speaker 2>This, right, No, I hear you, man, I hear you. Yeah.

2924
02:33:32.440 --> 02:33:35.079
<v Speaker 8>That was that was the last draw. That was the

2925
02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:35.799
<v Speaker 8>last draw.

2926
02:33:36.040 --> 02:33:39.399
<v Speaker 1>I was supposed to film some poor woman in this

2927
02:33:39.680 --> 02:33:44.399
<v Speaker 1>really ghetto part of Boston that was supposedly ripping off

2928
02:33:44.559 --> 02:33:45.360
<v Speaker 1>the insurance and.

2929
02:33:45.360 --> 02:33:48.840
<v Speaker 8>I was like I can't but no, no, no, she

2930
02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:50.520
<v Speaker 8>maybe had been, but I don't know.

2931
02:33:50.639 --> 02:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>It just seemed to me like I just can't go

2932
02:33:53.360 --> 02:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>around being a working for insurance companies. They're they're I know,

2933
02:33:59.200 --> 02:34:01.799
<v Speaker 1>they're awful, And maybe some of these people are too,

2934
02:34:01.920 --> 02:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>but I know the insurance company is awful.

2935
02:34:05.399 --> 02:34:07.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's the large way I left law enforcement,

2936
02:34:07.479 --> 02:34:09.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, any any future in law enforcement. Years back,

2937
02:34:09.639 --> 02:34:12.360
<v Speaker 3>I never really considered taking another job after the Air

2938
02:34:12.399 --> 02:34:14.639
<v Speaker 3>Force because I just didn't agree with a.

2939
02:34:14.639 --> 02:34:16.879
<v Speaker 2>Lot of the circumstances and environments. I was well aware

2940
02:34:16.920 --> 02:34:17.639
<v Speaker 2>of that by that point.

2941
02:34:17.719 --> 02:34:19.120
<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot of my a lot of my

2942
02:34:19.200 --> 02:34:21.559
<v Speaker 3>latter half of my career was all administrative stuff for

2943
02:34:21.600 --> 02:34:24.319
<v Speaker 3>the most part, and managing things at headquarters and you know,

2944
02:34:24.360 --> 02:34:28.360
<v Speaker 3>another nonsense. But yeah, I just knew that wasn't for me,

2945
02:34:28.479 --> 02:34:30.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, much like you're describing how I kind of

2946
02:34:31.000 --> 02:34:32.120
<v Speaker 3>ended up through the PI world.

2947
02:34:32.120 --> 02:34:32.959
<v Speaker 2>It was wasn't for me.

2948
02:34:33.120 --> 02:34:36.200
<v Speaker 3>But I appreciate those sales, Ethan, that's fantastic. I think

2949
02:34:36.239 --> 02:34:39.760
<v Speaker 3>your skill sets are better served as the master ty

2950
02:34:40.000 --> 02:34:41.879
<v Speaker 3>chief philosopher and author there, Sir.

2951
02:34:43.719 --> 02:34:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Appreciate that, Yeah, for sure, And it's been fun to

2952
02:34:47.959 --> 02:34:49.360
<v Speaker 1>share ideas as always.

2953
02:34:50.600 --> 02:34:52.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, before I bring this in for land in here

2954
02:34:52.600 --> 02:34:54.920
<v Speaker 3>fellas and I like to pass it back over to

2955
02:34:54.959 --> 02:34:58.120
<v Speaker 3>Ethan for some any closing comments in our discussion, But Nick,

2956
02:34:58.120 --> 02:35:01.280
<v Speaker 3>I'd like to ask you, first, sir, what's your favorite

2957
02:35:01.440 --> 02:35:04.639
<v Speaker 3>occult reject show that you know, Ethan and I guess

2958
02:35:05.440 --> 02:35:08.799
<v Speaker 3>and myself has participated and he's again I definitely appreciate

2959
02:35:08.840 --> 02:35:10.079
<v Speaker 3>the team you've you've compiled over there.

2960
02:35:10.120 --> 02:35:13.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a very unique certain dynamic you've you've achieved.

2961
02:35:16.799 --> 02:35:19.799
<v Speaker 5>You know, with Ethan's show, it's pretty much the same

2962
02:35:19.840 --> 02:35:22.319
<v Speaker 5>answer that he said and what I said his last prison.

2963
02:35:22.440 --> 02:35:24.440
<v Speaker 5>The last one I thought was the presentation was done

2964
02:35:24.479 --> 02:35:28.440
<v Speaker 5>really good. But uh, his his one on the four.

2965
02:35:29.399 --> 02:35:31.600
<v Speaker 5>You know, I got a lot out of that myself

2966
02:35:32.239 --> 02:35:33.840
<v Speaker 5>when he first approached he came on.

2967
02:35:34.920 --> 02:35:37.239
<v Speaker 4>Uh and well actually the first one.

2968
02:35:37.120 --> 02:35:39.760
<v Speaker 5>He came on was I think was the Patriot and

2969
02:35:39.840 --> 02:35:41.360
<v Speaker 5>the other stuff in the four. I think he might

2970
02:35:41.399 --> 02:35:43.360
<v Speaker 5>have came on like the second time. I got a

2971
02:35:43.399 --> 02:35:44.879
<v Speaker 5>lot out of that, and I had even said I

2972
02:35:44.879 --> 02:35:49.079
<v Speaker 5>would like to revisit that again with other occult rejects,

2973
02:35:50.120 --> 02:35:50.280
<v Speaker 5>you know.

2974
02:35:50.479 --> 02:35:58.719
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, perhaps I can add one caveat. Has Ethan

2975
02:35:58.760 --> 02:36:02.159
<v Speaker 3>ever had agen the Wizards? Remember there where he's you know,

2976
02:36:02.440 --> 02:36:05.120
<v Speaker 3>to like much for Greg Little was like, uh, oh man,

2977
02:36:05.159 --> 02:36:07.239
<v Speaker 3>I just this is wild stuff. Have you do you

2978
02:36:07.319 --> 02:36:09.680
<v Speaker 3>recall an incident where Ethan's kind of left an impression

2979
02:36:09.760 --> 02:36:11.520
<v Speaker 3>like that and anything in any of these shows.

2980
02:36:12.000 --> 02:36:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I'll let you go for I do. But that's what

2981
02:36:13.360 --> 02:36:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm asking you.

2982
02:36:14.319 --> 02:36:16.719
<v Speaker 5>Well, I was saying the one with the four, I

2983
02:36:16.760 --> 02:36:18.959
<v Speaker 5>mean that helped me the four Yeah, yeah, well yeah,

2984
02:36:18.959 --> 02:36:21.799
<v Speaker 5>we're getting on like the whole four and thing there.

2985
02:36:21.799 --> 02:36:24.360
<v Speaker 5>Looking at it, it kind of helped me like kind

2986
02:36:24.360 --> 02:36:25.840
<v Speaker 5>of bring all the ideas that I had.

2987
02:36:26.159 --> 02:36:28.879
<v Speaker 3>And can can you rehash this as a general philosophy

2988
02:36:28.879 --> 02:36:31.079
<v Speaker 3>of those four concepts of nature?

2989
02:36:31.239 --> 02:36:31.360
<v Speaker 6>Right?

2990
02:36:32.399 --> 02:36:34.600
<v Speaker 8>Absolutely? Well, it can kind of be.

2991
02:36:36.280 --> 02:36:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Anything in a sense, and that's partly why at first

2992
02:36:40.680 --> 02:36:44.200
<v Speaker 1>it seems too simple to be useful, but in fact

2993
02:36:44.319 --> 02:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>it's broadly useful. But one of the ways you can

2994
02:36:48.920 --> 02:36:52.479
<v Speaker 1>look at it is the tai Chi symbol, or what

2995
02:36:52.680 --> 02:36:55.959
<v Speaker 1>we know as the yin yang. It is kind of

2996
02:36:56.079 --> 02:36:59.760
<v Speaker 1>a bad name for it because it has more than

2997
02:36:59.799 --> 02:37:05.159
<v Speaker 1>the over two parts. It's got the the two swirls,

2998
02:37:05.959 --> 02:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>and then the two dots within the dot when it

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02:37:10.399 --> 02:37:11.159
<v Speaker 1>within each.

3000
02:37:11.079 --> 02:37:15.680
<v Speaker 8>Swirl is also a considered part. So there are major

3001
02:37:15.959 --> 02:37:18.239
<v Speaker 8>and minor yin and yang.

3002
02:37:19.719 --> 02:37:23.680
<v Speaker 1>But it's interesting. All of mathematics is based on the

3003
02:37:23.879 --> 02:37:33.360
<v Speaker 1>four operations of arithmetic, and really it's likely that all

3004
02:37:33.559 --> 02:37:38.399
<v Speaker 1>spheres in orbit of each other have four seasons because

3005
02:37:38.479 --> 02:37:46.319
<v Speaker 1>of this equinox and solstice naturally occurring orbit of of

3006
02:37:46.440 --> 02:37:51.719
<v Speaker 1>the spheres. Uh So for it, it really is a

3007
02:37:52.360 --> 02:37:58.879
<v Speaker 1>useful concept. Another mathematical but also philosophical way to begin

3008
02:37:59.079 --> 02:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>to use it as an observational tool is called the

3009
02:38:04.879 --> 02:38:10.879
<v Speaker 1>tetra lima, and it is represented by A or B.

3010
02:38:12.479 --> 02:38:15.200
<v Speaker 5>Or a b or x.

3011
02:38:16.680 --> 02:38:21.879
<v Speaker 1>So this kind of is illustrated in the Hegelian dialectic

3012
02:38:22.040 --> 02:38:28.159
<v Speaker 1>of thesis, anti thesis and synthesis. Excuse my lisp, and

3013
02:38:28.360 --> 02:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the fourth aspect I call nlysis. But it's really an

3014
02:38:33.879 --> 02:38:41.200
<v Speaker 1>interesting formula to kind of observe many different situations and

3015
02:38:41.760 --> 02:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>leads to the eight too, as Nick mentions here, in

3016
02:38:46.360 --> 02:38:50.079
<v Speaker 1>the sense that one sense that you have the yin

3017
02:38:50.200 --> 02:38:54.799
<v Speaker 1>yang symbol of those two main elements, but really the

3018
02:38:55.040 --> 02:39:00.200
<v Speaker 1>four parts in total, which is often depicted surrounded by

3019
02:39:00.319 --> 02:39:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the eight elements of the bagua just one one of

3020
02:39:05.520 --> 02:39:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the many iterations of this four and eight. But it's

3021
02:39:08.879 --> 02:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>a The four is a really powerful tool. In fact,

3022
02:39:13.440 --> 02:39:18.000
<v Speaker 1>quite a bit of my book is readable online for

3023
02:39:18.159 --> 02:39:20.559
<v Speaker 1>free without having to buy it, and many.

3024
02:39:20.559 --> 02:39:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Of my artists else, so so it's uh.

3025
02:39:26.760 --> 02:39:27.680
<v Speaker 8>Matrix of four.

3026
02:39:28.159 --> 02:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>You can find my weebly website where I share a

3027
02:39:31.120 --> 02:39:34.079
<v Speaker 1>bunch of articles and so forth.

3028
02:39:34.159 --> 02:39:37.280
<v Speaker 8>And in the book, the introduction is quite.

3029
02:39:38.719 --> 02:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>At least gives a good idea to how one can

3030
02:39:41.600 --> 02:39:43.639
<v Speaker 1>assimilate it and integrate it and use it.

3031
02:39:46.079 --> 02:39:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Nice.

3032
02:39:46.319 --> 02:39:47.920
<v Speaker 3>And I have your links in the but for both

3033
02:39:47.959 --> 02:39:49.440
<v Speaker 3>of you jents and the show notes, there's been questions

3034
02:39:49.479 --> 02:39:51.559
<v Speaker 3>about some Cule reject shows and then your your links

3035
02:39:51.760 --> 02:39:52.719
<v Speaker 3>through in the show notes as well.

3036
02:39:52.760 --> 02:39:54.799
<v Speaker 8>There appreciate it. Appreciate everything.

3037
02:39:55.479 --> 02:40:00.319
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, as as an independent author, you know thing

3038
02:40:00.559 --> 02:40:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the cosmos, it's been just an honor and uh like

3039
02:40:05.920 --> 02:40:09.280
<v Speaker 1>elation to be down with you guys, and the Occult

3040
02:40:09.360 --> 02:40:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Rejects have have a crew of perceptive thinkers.

3041
02:40:13.799 --> 02:40:15.719
<v Speaker 8>Is so great. So I appreciate everything.

3042
02:40:17.319 --> 02:40:19.239
<v Speaker 3>No, I appreciate the same. And if I may share

3043
02:40:19.280 --> 02:40:22.200
<v Speaker 3>with you you recently again there was a very much

3044
02:40:22.239 --> 02:40:24.040
<v Speaker 3>conversations a couple months back we were having. It was

3045
02:40:24.040 --> 02:40:26.239
<v Speaker 3>that right after an Occult Rejects conversation, there were some

3046
02:40:26.360 --> 02:40:29.559
<v Speaker 3>nuclear weapons being discussed, and we had back and forth

3047
02:40:29.600 --> 02:40:31.719
<v Speaker 3>on some nuclear weapons stuff, and you started comparing things

3048
02:40:31.799 --> 02:40:35.000
<v Speaker 3>to ARCon. Yeah, this theory in arcons and and nukes

3049
02:40:35.040 --> 02:40:37.360
<v Speaker 3>and and uh I was I find it very uh,

3050
02:40:37.719 --> 02:40:40.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, very you know, very interesting and certainly bounced

3051
02:40:40.920 --> 02:40:43.120
<v Speaker 3>fround my brain hole for a while. So if you don't,

3052
02:40:43.600 --> 02:40:45.399
<v Speaker 3>you don't mind sharing that with us, i'd appreciate that.

3053
02:40:46.079 --> 02:40:46.319
<v Speaker 8>Sure.

3054
02:40:46.479 --> 02:40:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Sure, Yeah, well, I actually in the in a book

3055
02:40:51.399 --> 02:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I wrote called The.

3056
02:40:52.440 --> 02:40:53.799
<v Speaker 3>If I May, If I made that's that's what I

3057
02:40:53.799 --> 02:40:55.719
<v Speaker 3>would call your wizard's research. That was that would be

3058
02:40:55.760 --> 02:40:58.280
<v Speaker 3>your ethan wizard moment you got there with us.

3059
02:41:00.280 --> 02:41:04.079
<v Speaker 8>Accused. Yeah, no, I get accused of being a wizard

3060
02:41:04.239 --> 02:41:05.680
<v Speaker 8>just for the tai chi practice.

3061
02:41:09.280 --> 02:41:12.639
<v Speaker 3>But again, dropping these wild thoughts on some folks, this

3062
02:41:12.760 --> 02:41:14.680
<v Speaker 3>is you know, yeah, I had some wizardry skills.

3063
02:41:15.639 --> 02:41:19.399
<v Speaker 1>It's uh, it's a really grounding practice though even though

3064
02:41:19.479 --> 02:41:23.639
<v Speaker 1>it looks like, you know, it looks like wizardry, it's

3065
02:41:23.920 --> 02:41:28.040
<v Speaker 1>very It's all about rooting and grounding with nature and

3066
02:41:28.200 --> 02:41:31.040
<v Speaker 1>the earth. And you can't do tai chi in space

3067
02:41:31.799 --> 02:41:32.959
<v Speaker 1>because there's no grounding.

3068
02:41:33.559 --> 02:41:35.479
<v Speaker 3>No, for sure, when I say wizardy, I'm just being

3069
02:41:35.520 --> 02:41:39.600
<v Speaker 3>as smart ass as far as i'm suggestions and ideas

3070
02:41:39.639 --> 02:41:42.479
<v Speaker 3>you present and the very mind uh you know, very

3071
02:41:42.760 --> 02:41:46.319
<v Speaker 3>again some concepts despite everything I've considered, nothing I had

3072
02:41:46.399 --> 02:41:47.079
<v Speaker 3>considered before.

3073
02:41:50.159 --> 02:41:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well I appreciate that, man, and I get

3074
02:41:53.719 --> 02:41:55.319
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of insights.

3075
02:41:54.920 --> 02:41:56.760
<v Speaker 8>From you, and they rejects as well.

3076
02:41:58.360 --> 02:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>The I put this idea into the Terra's letters, not Terror,

3077
02:42:05.120 --> 02:42:11.520
<v Speaker 1>but Terra like Tierta, like like Earth, and uh. The

3078
02:42:11.959 --> 02:42:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the idea of the ARCon, it literally means a governor, controller,

3079
02:42:19.000 --> 02:42:24.319
<v Speaker 1>the arc leader, but it from the Gnostics it means

3080
02:42:26.079 --> 02:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>there's a there's a few inferences that we can gather

3081
02:42:29.559 --> 02:42:33.440
<v Speaker 1>from what the Gnostics took to be the Arcons, that

3082
02:42:33.600 --> 02:42:39.239
<v Speaker 1>they are from this solar system and do not like humans.

3083
02:42:40.200 --> 02:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>And there I think I allegorize them as being like parasites,

3084
02:42:49.120 --> 02:42:54.360
<v Speaker 1>having a very parasitic metaphysical parasitic.

3085
02:42:55.079 --> 02:42:56.360
<v Speaker 8>Activity, right.

3086
02:42:57.000 --> 02:42:59.639
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, if you look at some of the

3087
02:42:59.760 --> 02:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Vein literature, they don't use the very idea of knocks

3088
02:43:04.840 --> 02:43:08.040
<v Speaker 1>of arkans rather, of course, but they do have this

3089
02:43:08.280 --> 02:43:12.760
<v Speaker 1>idea that there is a being inside of our head

3090
02:43:12.879 --> 02:43:16.360
<v Speaker 1>that is about the size of the tip of our thumb,

3091
02:43:16.959 --> 02:43:20.440
<v Speaker 1>that is controlling our actions and so forth. And of

3092
02:43:20.559 --> 02:43:23.319
<v Speaker 1>course the riddle in that is that it's actually you.

3093
02:43:24.040 --> 02:43:26.159
<v Speaker 1>The thumb is you, the head is it's all you.

3094
02:43:26.799 --> 02:43:31.120
<v Speaker 1>But the I think the suggestion in there is one

3095
02:43:31.520 --> 02:43:37.760
<v Speaker 1>of influence, whether it's physical parasite or metaphysical parasite or

3096
02:43:37.840 --> 02:43:39.920
<v Speaker 1>even parasitic.

3097
02:43:39.639 --> 02:43:42.760
<v Speaker 8>Ideas that we might hold and so forth.

3098
02:43:44.239 --> 02:43:49.079
<v Speaker 1>But the idea with arcons is that, yeah, they came

3099
02:43:49.360 --> 02:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>to earth and don't like humans and steer us to

3100
02:43:54.920 --> 02:43:56.079
<v Speaker 1>fight each other.

3101
02:43:56.760 --> 02:44:02.639
<v Speaker 8>They don't they don't actually do anything. They're capable.

3102
02:44:02.760 --> 02:44:03.479
<v Speaker 2>What do they look like?

3103
02:44:04.680 --> 02:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>They they're perhaps this is this is the result of

3104
02:44:13.639 --> 02:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>an archontic infection.

3105
02:44:16.000 --> 02:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>My character I see, ah.

3106
02:44:22.040 --> 02:44:27.440
<v Speaker 1>My, the the character in that book suggests that are

3107
02:44:27.920 --> 02:44:34.239
<v Speaker 1>there's two different main types of arcontic infection, one that

3108
02:44:34.479 --> 02:44:39.639
<v Speaker 1>makes you aggressive and fat, and the other makes you

3109
02:44:39.879 --> 02:44:46.280
<v Speaker 1>passive and skinny. So that's not necessarily true. But but

3110
02:44:46.719 --> 02:44:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the character in the book supposes this.

3111
02:44:50.120 --> 02:44:53.239
<v Speaker 8>Whether he's right or wrong is to be argued. It's

3112
02:44:53.479 --> 02:44:56.760
<v Speaker 8>more of a you know, a concept.

3113
02:44:56.920 --> 02:45:01.920
<v Speaker 1>But but I think in relation to that, I allegorize

3114
02:45:02.040 --> 02:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the archonic infection of the mind as similar to the

3115
02:45:11.239 --> 02:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>physical infection of the body via toxoplasmosis gandhi. Toxoplasmosis Gandhi

3116
02:45:22.040 --> 02:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>is a cat and rat infection. It's life cycle takes

3117
02:45:29.360 --> 02:45:35.040
<v Speaker 1>place in feline stomachs. It's really dependent on that, but

3118
02:45:35.239 --> 02:45:44.479
<v Speaker 1>it seeks out mice or rats who are influenced in behavior,

3119
02:45:45.440 --> 02:45:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and they become more of Essentially, they become risk takers,

3120
02:45:52.719 --> 02:45:59.559
<v Speaker 1>and their biggest fear becomes an attraction, and their biggest

3121
02:45:59.600 --> 02:46:03.920
<v Speaker 1>fear is the smell of cat and cat urine. And

3122
02:46:04.120 --> 02:46:09.479
<v Speaker 1>instead those are infected with toxoplasmosis, they bow to the

3123
02:46:09.920 --> 02:46:12.399
<v Speaker 1>they go, they seek out the cat.

3124
02:46:14.360 --> 02:46:15.399
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and then the life.

3125
02:46:16.559 --> 02:46:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Right.

3126
02:46:16.760 --> 02:46:19.479
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like a possession rights.

3127
02:46:20.159 --> 02:46:20.840
<v Speaker 8>It's kind.

3128
02:46:21.040 --> 02:46:25.760
<v Speaker 1>It's a behavioral modifying parasite. And there are many of

3129
02:46:25.879 --> 02:46:29.920
<v Speaker 1>these in nature, not so many that are looked at

3130
02:46:30.159 --> 02:46:35.319
<v Speaker 1>in humans, but toxoplasmosis has been looked at. In fact,

3131
02:46:35.399 --> 02:46:38.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like the main thing a pregnant woman might be

3132
02:46:38.879 --> 02:46:43.159
<v Speaker 1>concerned with is being around cats because of toxo.

3133
02:46:44.079 --> 02:46:46.879
<v Speaker 2>What'd you call it to Gandhi?

3134
02:46:47.120 --> 02:46:59.920
<v Speaker 8>Actually, that's right, yep, yeap plasmosis. Gandhi is the Gandhi.

3135
02:47:02.520 --> 02:47:03.319
<v Speaker 8>That's a great one.

3136
02:47:04.479 --> 02:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>This Gandhi. Yeah, this Gandhi is g O n.

3137
02:47:09.079 --> 02:47:18.959
<v Speaker 8>D I I I believe, But that is funny. I appreciate.

3138
02:47:23.319 --> 02:47:23.440
<v Speaker 4>UH.

3139
02:47:23.680 --> 02:47:29.280
<v Speaker 1>The The main aspect of its infection in humans, besides

3140
02:47:29.360 --> 02:47:35.319
<v Speaker 1>being very dangerous to the UH beings of a pregnant woman,

3141
02:47:36.760 --> 02:47:41.600
<v Speaker 1>is that it actually can cause behavioral modification in man too,

3142
02:47:42.079 --> 02:47:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and it suppresses the fear of risk taking, and it

3143
02:47:49.040 --> 02:47:54.239
<v Speaker 1>actually that the study concludes that it makes women are

3144
02:47:54.319 --> 02:48:00.239
<v Speaker 1>more attracted to people infected with toxic So like like,

3145
02:48:00.719 --> 02:48:06.399
<v Speaker 1>it's got a lot of very strange influences behavior modification

3146
02:48:06.719 --> 02:48:10.520
<v Speaker 1>on humans. And so I kind of get into this

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive nature of people that are taken up by would

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<v Speaker 1>be arcontic ideas and this passive nature to people that

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<v Speaker 1>are you know, taken up by these arconic ideas, just

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<v Speaker 1>like the cat and the rat. So that that story

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<v Speaker 1>I juxtapose the prohibition of cannabis, the global prohibition of cannabis,

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<v Speaker 1>and the global promotion of nuclear experiment. So it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>he entertaining.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I I.

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<v Speaker 1>Explore the arcontic infection in a pretty humorous way and

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<v Speaker 1>provocative and people are you know, the various reactions I

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<v Speaker 1>get might go from how dare you make fiction of this?

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<v Speaker 1>This is all true? To wait.

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<v Speaker 8>True?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's yep your price for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I did I.

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<v Speaker 8>Come through there? Did I lose you?

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying that the various reactions, the various reactions

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<v Speaker 1>I might get very from how dare you make this

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<v Speaker 1>into fiction?

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<v Speaker 2>This is true?

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<v Speaker 8>And need you know you need to put this in

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<v Speaker 8>nonfiction all the way too.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this real?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't think this is fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this real? So it's it's entertaining, procative kind of

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<v Speaker 1>juxtaposition of these very global kind of situations.

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<v Speaker 2>No, for sure, I I enjoy those.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, that's a very mind it's very mind

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<v Speaker 3>to provoking thoughts you present there in that theory.

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<v Speaker 2>And I certainly enjoyed it myself.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, if I can toot my own horn,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Mahr's r I P. He gave me a review

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<v Speaker 1>for the Terrorist Letters, and he communicated with me essentially

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. He said, Ethan, you may not be

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<v Speaker 1>too far off this is this may be more true

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<v Speaker 1>than fiction, essentially. So, and he and this guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he you know, not only did he research the j

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<v Speaker 1>f K, but he did he researched the UFO phenomenon

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<v Speaker 1>and had the best selling book on that for decades.

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<v Speaker 3>And her politics, you know, the Nazis, the rise of

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<v Speaker 3>the forth right. He didn't need a number of good books.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had a lot of Jim.

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<v Speaker 2>Exception, you should you should mention that that's a great act, lady, Ethan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exceptional researcher and a veteran. He was a veteran,

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<v Speaker 1>which which which in the end severely impacted him.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe yep, yep, as it does many, as it

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<v Speaker 3>does many, and I do do slute all those folks service,

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<v Speaker 3>even the ones I was saying earlier, may not have

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<v Speaker 3>the mental capacity to accomplish a lot of things like

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<v Speaker 3>cohort special ads there stop by at the local date

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<v Speaker 3>and tsa say hello the uh No, I appreciate both

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<v Speaker 3>your gens times. Any last statements there, Nick before we

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<v Speaker 3>call her night here on Fridays.

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<v Speaker 5>No check out the occult rejects, Pitch You Rumble, YouTube

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02:51:28.200 --> 02:51:29.719
<v Speaker 5>and all major podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>And Ethan Sir, any last davement before we call her in.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just I love you guys. I appreciate being

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<v Speaker 1>included in such perceptive minds. So I just thank you

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<v Speaker 1>again for including me and all all these wonderful things.

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw a note from Headless. He says Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Myers was a scientologist.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. This is always there's always a

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<v Speaker 1>cult reject that knows knows more.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, I appreciate both your gens Times and

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<v Speaker 3>the folks of the interwebs as well. Hope you enjoyed

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<v Speaker 3>the Fridays and Ethan will certainly have you back in

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<v Speaker 3>the future. And I look forward to future occult reject shows.

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<v Speaker 3>And folks of the internwebs want to check out tales

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<v Speaker 3>of my old soccer turned multi state homicidal maniac, serial killer, hypnotists,

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<v Speaker 3>controlled maniac, perhaps my controlled assassin Buffalo Jared. Please tune

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<v Speaker 3>into Operation GCD Sundays at a PM Eastern time. And

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<v Speaker 3>on that note, thank you all, and thanks folks the interwebs.