Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen? How did folks? Your host J J.
Speaker 3: Vance here back from our Fridays host of Operation g
Speaker 3: c D and perhaps more notably, Nah the Vice President
Speaker 3: back in the game with my co host Nick of
Speaker 3: The Occult Rejects. Nick Great, Sir, Welcome back for Fridays.
Speaker 4: Going on so YO one Friday.
Speaker 5: You're gonna put the screen on and I'm gonna be
Speaker 5: doing that same thing I addressing some weird outfit. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna have my arms up and my ship tucked in,
Speaker 5: dancing all fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: For I always enjoy the intro up In Buffalo, Jared Rivisa,
Speaker 3: my former stalker, Can you love.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Turned homicidal maniac, multi state stabbings free. Can you believe
Speaker 3: that man wanted to be my pr rep. You gotta
Speaker 3: be kidding.
Speaker 4: Mesas wanted to use this hypno therapy on you.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, watch out for that.
Speaker 4: You imagine That's what the deal was.
Speaker 3: I not only do about it this, you know this
Speaker 3: isn't any regular hypnotherapy we're talking about. This is this
Speaker 3: man's from Buffalo. Jared's from the family that ended the curse.
Speaker 3: Of the Goat, the curse that plagued the Chicago Cubs
Speaker 3: from from winning a World Series for nearly one hundred years.
Speaker 3: Ken Revisa in the Revisa Sports Hypnotist Operation business. You know,
Speaker 3: they're the ones who broke that. They're credited by the Cubs.
Speaker 3: That's Buffalo Jared's family business. So you know it's creepy, dude, creepy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was thinking about it. I might need to give
Speaker 3: them a call though, because in case I need to
Speaker 3: break this curse of Robert the Doll, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. They seem to be very prolific in breaking
Speaker 3: curses there at the Revisa family.
Speaker 5: Like, you know, since your son kind of wanted to
Speaker 5: kill me, maybe he could just throw me this as
Speaker 5: a favorite.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I'll be like, maybe I'll be his pr
Speaker 3: rep in exchange. Maybe they'll break my curse and we'll
Speaker 3: do a little bartering system that Jared didn't do it right?
Speaker 2: What what's the new what to operate or the occult reachings?
Speaker 4: Watch that much.
Speaker 5: Finally finally finished, pretty much almost done with my Jacob
Speaker 5: Bome however you say his fucking name thing, So that
Speaker 5: that's exciting that has some tough way too much time.
Speaker 4: B o h m. I've seen it.
Speaker 5: B o e h m. E. I've seen it, b
Speaker 5: o h m. E. I mean there's a couple of
Speaker 5: different ways of saying and I've heard people say it
Speaker 5: different ways. I think I said Jacob bome whatever three
Speaker 5: times on the show, and then I was like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I'm just gonna say Jacob.
Speaker 4: By the rest of the show.
Speaker 2: Did to read more about him?
Speaker 3: From what I have you've told me, from what I
Speaker 3: have looked at, it's a he's an interesting character.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure, for sure, I think so.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I finished that up, and uh got some
Speaker 5: stuff just Sola Temple. We got coming this Sunday. You
Speaker 5: were joining us with that, right, did I ask you
Speaker 5: for that?
Speaker 2: Uh, Solar Temple, Yes, sir.
Speaker 5: With a oh yeah, he may not be able to
Speaker 5: make it, but conversation me and me and Julia might
Speaker 5: still cover it.
Speaker 4: He may not be able to make it.
Speaker 3: Now, Okay, well that's unfortunate. Yeah, enjoy conversation here with
Speaker 3: him on Fridays.
Speaker 5: Oh, get him back on. I just didn't want to
Speaker 5: with you. I didn't want to tell like five or
Speaker 5: six people to reschedule because somebody else can't make it.
Speaker 4: When me and Julia have notes.
Speaker 2: On I understand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I figured, you know, we'll wing it without
Speaker 5: him and then we'll just bring them on whenever we
Speaker 5: can rescheduled. Really looking forward to getting them on. Actually,
Speaker 5: the guys like you know, like you a plethora of information.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you ain't kidding.
Speaker 3: I popped on his show There Night already dead with
Speaker 3: him and his associate jose and Jewels from Great Bill Podcast, and.
Speaker 4: Oh he's going to join us to it.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, Jules Jewels pretty sharp. Yeah, we had a
Speaker 3: great conversation there there Night impromptu. No, that's that's awesome stuff.
Speaker 3: So we got that on Sundays. That's live too, right.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we're gonna go live. I'll see if we
Speaker 5: got anything. What's what's dropping that next week? Oh, we
Speaker 5: got next, We got tomorrow. We do have the audio,
Speaker 5: it was already out on video. We do have the
Speaker 5: Virginia U Guffrey with RDA Lee.
Speaker 2: That's a great one. Yeah, I actually doing some great
Speaker 2: work there for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh to drop on audio next week. Also,
Speaker 4: this is an old one.
Speaker 5: For you, but you know you were the cult and
Speaker 5: esoteric review of The Golden Child.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was a good one, man, Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: a great one, dude. I got a couple of comments
Speaker 2: that was a little barn burner. It definitely was this week. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just this week folks for comedy.
Speaker 5: On that and we got time slip with the Codega
Speaker 5: coming out. Yeah, yeah, I got to get him back on.
Speaker 5: Actually I was talking few long ago, not too long ago.
Speaker 5: Good dude, I like him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been trying to get him back on to me.
Speaker 3: And how do you wanted to talk some more cold
Speaker 3: stuff in Mexico.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he.
Speaker 3: May not know a lot, as I told him, you
Speaker 3: may now know a lot about these colts, but he's
Speaker 3: the one who sent me down that rabbit hole with
Speaker 3: getting better understanding of that atmosphere. And he knows I
Speaker 3: don't know shit about geography of Mexico. So you know,
Speaker 3: nice to have a local like him, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean that he helped helped navigate some of those terms.
Speaker 2: But now that's awesome stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: I definitely enjoyed the rye there at the codexs Codega's
Speaker 3: Codex of Curiosities.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 3: He was our guest a number of weeks back here
Speaker 3: on Fridays as well. Right, yes, he was and on
Speaker 3: your show and on The Rejects, and we've had him
Speaker 3: on you We've had him on both.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, stuff man.
Speaker 3: I I always enjoyed my time with the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 3: I'll be looking forward to that on Sunday. I dis
Speaker 3: dropped that, uh Greg little conversation, you know, but she'd
Speaker 3: hit him up again.
Speaker 2: I intend to. For sure.
Speaker 3: He's a speaking of a wealth of information on mounds.
Speaker 3: That's the man to go talk to, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't so he doesn't feel
Speaker 5: like I'm annoying. You should hit him up and bring
Speaker 5: him on your show, and I'll.
Speaker 4: Just gone, yeah, and I'll definitely do that. It's a
Speaker 4: different show asking him on.
Speaker 3: We'll get Jen in the mix because remember in Jen
Speaker 3: wizard skills in that conversation.
Speaker 4: Right yeah, yeah. It blew the guy's mind with that one.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Greg was like, in forty years, no one's
Speaker 3: ever asked me or made comments like this, And I
Speaker 3: was like, shit, do Jensen.
Speaker 2: And wizard stuff?
Speaker 5: So his magic?
Speaker 2: Right? Jen the Ninja always doing wizard stuff. No, that's awesome, mate.
Speaker 3: I mean again, you've compiled a an extensive, diverse team
Speaker 3: of uh you know, folks that are at the occult rejects,
Speaker 3: and I do solut you for that, sir. I'm happy
Speaker 3: to be part of that team.
Speaker 5: Oh, Elliott Novo, thank you, bro, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: The team I'm not happy to be a part of
Speaker 3: is the Revisa public relations firm, which is why I
Speaker 3: told him no, I don't want to hire a PR guy,
Speaker 3: even though he stalked me for about a year trying
Speaker 3: to for trying to be sure, and I'm like, he
Speaker 3: just went and took no note for an answer. So
Speaker 3: the fella homicidal, psychopathic maniac trans apocalypse multi state killing
Speaker 3: spree fella possibly hypnotic mind control assassin fella buffalo Jared
Speaker 3: Visa from the introduction video. I'll be doing the tail
Speaker 3: the full tale of his story on Operation GCD Sundays,
Speaker 3: eight pm.
Speaker 2: Patreon available, but go check it out. Yeah, that'll be,
Speaker 2: that'll be.
Speaker 3: That'll be a real barn burner because this, like I said,
Speaker 3: not only did this family break the Curse of the Goat,
Speaker 3: and his dudes got some interesting storylines going around before, during,
Speaker 3: and after his crime. So uh, pretty excited. I like
Speaker 3: to muppetize. Everybody said, obviously Jared buffalo Jared here, I
Speaker 3: got muppetized, you know what I mean. That's not that's
Speaker 3: obviously not the real buffalo Jared in the picture, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So just I just want to
Speaker 3: clarify that in case anyone was confused, that's obviously not
Speaker 3: the real buffalo Jared. The real buffalo Jared allegedly sits
Speaker 3: today in Bridgewater Hospital and the britt the spooky Bridgewater.
Speaker 2: Triangle of Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: But that's the original buffalo Jared photo before I uh
Speaker 3: muppetized him. But uh on this note, on Wednesday, Operation
Speaker 3: GCD Wednesday next week, I got trouble with Waker Jona.
Speaker 3: He was our guest a couple of weeks back here
Speaker 3: on Friday. Another dude with a lot of details.
Speaker 5: Yeah he does. He has a lot of a lot
Speaker 5: of stuff.
Speaker 3: And well he listened to my last show on idoh
Speaker 3: stuff and he's like, we got to talk more about
Speaker 3: all these uh Idaho white nationalist stuff that's going on there, right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's got connection to Operation pat Con from the Order.
Speaker 3: The Order is Mark Mark Furman's buddies up there in
Speaker 3: Hayden Lake. You know Markman from the O J case
Speaker 3: and also connected to all of this mess is you
Speaker 3: may be familiar with the name Israel Keys.
Speaker 2: He was a serial killer. Yes, he's friends with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He grew up with the Keyho Brothers. The key Hole brother.
Speaker 6: We love Oh we lost them. Glin's got Oh boy, you're.
Speaker 4: Back in my back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're back and that So that'd be Wednesday, and
Speaker 3: then one last plug before we get to our guest
Speaker 3: here meeting Nathaniel bar Jonah, the cannibalistic kidnitdling, psychopathic serial
Speaker 3: killer that I came face to face with in Great Falls,
Speaker 3: Montana back in two thousand and one and may or
Speaker 3: may not have eaten human meat burgers he served up
Speaker 3: with the Hardy's on the late night in the summer
Speaker 3: of two thousand in Great Falls, Montana. So that'll be
Speaker 3: a real barn burner, real barn burner in there. That's
Speaker 3: two weeks there, week from this Sunday. I like to
Speaker 3: say Operation GCD Sundays is not you know, not only
Speaker 3: is it just the true crime and high weirdness that
Speaker 3: I've experienced throughout my adventures in life, but it's also
Speaker 3: just my effort to maintain the art of Americana and storytelling,
Speaker 3: you know, not just you know history, but you know,
Speaker 3: history will along with events that are going on in culture,
Speaker 3: right And that's.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what I'm aiming for there.
Speaker 3: And on that note, I actually got a comment last
Speaker 3: week in preparation for my first Sunday show there with
Speaker 3: the Curse of Robert the Doll, I recommend folks check
Speaker 3: that one out. Damn demonic being has been cursing me
Speaker 3: for thirteen years. But I got a comment from someone saying,
Speaker 3: you know, they listened to you know, they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm a fan of your current shows, but I went
Speaker 3: back and listen to an old show from almost two
Speaker 3: years ago with John Barber, the Stanate comedian.
Speaker 2: Fellow I've had on the show a couple of.
Speaker 3: Times, ye, the nonagenarian, the ninety two or ninety three
Speaker 3: year old legendary Stanate comedian and basically the man who
Speaker 3: invented reality TV, you know, And they were commenting on
Speaker 3: the show I had done them with him, just asking
Speaker 3: him about his life stories and which are I mean
Speaker 3: just not only hilarious but fascinating. So you know, they
Speaker 3: were commenting that they appreciate that the lost art of
Speaker 3: you know, kind of storytelling, especially from elder folks such
Speaker 3: as John Barber, who again they don't make him like
Speaker 3: John Barbara. This man us to be the personal assistant
Speaker 3: or personal writer for Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 2: Oh for one example.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the only guy to ever put Jim Garrison
Speaker 3: the New Orleans District to turn on camera and let
Speaker 3: him tell his own story.
Speaker 2: He did that twice.
Speaker 3: He did it twice and got him fired from the
Speaker 3: number one show on TV for doing so. Still still today,
Speaker 3: I believe that's the highest rated show in television and
Speaker 3: reait like primetime television history maybe or something.
Speaker 2: It's called Real People. He created.
Speaker 3: He got fired from it because he did an that
Speaker 3: was interviewing actual real people. Right, this is this is
Speaker 3: I think Serra nineteen seventy one. John Barber gets fired
Speaker 3: for you know, putting Jim Garrison on camera. He would
Speaker 3: later win a case in the Supreme Court when the
Speaker 3: movie industry did not like his movie review of that
Speaker 3: shitty Charlton Heston film Soylent Green. So again, John Barber
Speaker 3: legendary character. Folks want to hear that sale check those out.
Speaker 3: But I just I appreciate the storytelling aspects of such
Speaker 3: things as that.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Yes, sir, I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's I don't know, that's something you enjoys kind.
Speaker 5: Of a yeah, like, I guess I get what you're saying.
Speaker 5: I like the artist storytelling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I mean, wait in a twenty fashion, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see that's what you're raving for.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I enjoy that again.
Speaker 3: John Barber is a master of that, so I recommend
Speaker 3: folks check that out. But speaking of philosophers and authors
Speaker 3: and storytellers, welcome Ethan Indigo, our guest tonight and fellow
Speaker 3: occult reject.
Speaker 2: Hi doing sir, Welcome to Fridays.
Speaker 1: We'll look to you, guys day.
Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and thank you for waiting twelve minutes. I
Speaker 3: just realized I was meandering about too many thoughts.
Speaker 1: There whatever, whatever, No, thank you guys, Thank you Nick
Speaker 1: and JJ for including me with all the great guests
Speaker 1: and the occult intelligence of all the occult rejects. I'm
Speaker 1: honored to be included and I appreciate you guys so
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: I've been I've been hyped, I mean as much as
Speaker 3: I am hype for a lot of every conversation we
Speaker 3: have here on Fridays, quite honestly, But you know, and
Speaker 3: exchanging ideas a lot of new folks that Nick and I.
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes I schedule folks and Nick and scheduled folks,
Speaker 3: and a lot of times we're meeting new folks.
Speaker 4: But oh yeah, both of us don't even know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exchanging new ideas with new folks, and that's
Speaker 3: what we're raiming for here. And while we obviously know you,
Speaker 3: we're going to be exchanging a lot of new ideas
Speaker 3: because I don't think we get to the depth of
Speaker 3: a lot of where your head's at a lot of
Speaker 3: times in the Cole Reject Show. So I'm looking forward
Speaker 3: to that aspect.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, you know, I'm just honored to,
Speaker 1: you know, communicate with you guys with your knowledge. And
Speaker 1: I told you this before. When I started listening to
Speaker 1: you guys, I knew you guys knew everything from oligarchy
Speaker 1: to the esoteric. So really, as a lone author otherwise,
Speaker 1: it is my honor to be down with you guys.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it, sir, and you like say that
Speaker 3: you're in a cult reject, but you're also an author
Speaker 3: and a philosopher, so uh what uh why don't you
Speaker 3: give us quick backstor in some of those activities please?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I the philosophy started with a
Speaker 1: quite exoteric idea that I even used like the cursed
Speaker 1: word patriotism in it. But I was kind of looking
Speaker 1: at politics and I determined or president presented a kind
Speaker 1: of formula where there were four types of people based
Speaker 1: on mindset. Everyone likes to box people in and put
Speaker 1: people in certain categories.
Speaker 8: I find maybe I'm dealing with shallow people. I don't know, but.
Speaker 3: That's pretty accurate, right, I mean, I think it's I
Speaker 3: think it's a standard attribute of humanity, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whether it's good or bad, I think it's often
Speaker 1: not necessarily good, but it's a good way. It might
Speaker 1: be a good way as to initially understand someone. But
Speaker 1: I formulated the idea that there were idiots, zelots, elitists,
Speaker 1: and patriots that yeah, Nick had me on. We talked
Speaker 1: about that, and not patriot in the aspect that is
Speaker 1: jingoist and state unquestioning, but patriot in the love of liberty,
Speaker 1: love of country, people, place, and idea. So it started
Speaker 1: from there, but then I started like contemplating, oh wow,
Speaker 1: that relates to At first, I was looking at it
Speaker 1: through the window of the allegory of the cave, which
Speaker 1: people might not know the fourth character that often, But
Speaker 1: there's the there's the captor who has the captives. That
Speaker 1: there's two types, one chained and one unchained, and then
Speaker 1: the fourth type would be the freed prisoner. And so
Speaker 1: I kind of initially was looking at it from that realm,
Speaker 1: but again very exoterically, if you will, not really looking
Speaker 1: at it too deep. But then I started coming across
Speaker 1: that there was other sets of four that were totally
Speaker 1: separate but totally similar, like the Wise Monkeys, which has
Speaker 1: an unsaid fourth two hear no evil, See no evil,
Speaker 1: and speak no evil kind of being the first three,
Speaker 1: and what they call fear no or do no.
Speaker 2: Evil being the first one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really the only on overt topical interpretation, at least,
Speaker 1: he's the only one that's sensible because he stops action.
Speaker 1: It's he's fear no evil and do no evil at
Speaker 1: the same time. It's a kind of crossing reference of
Speaker 1: both those. So when you're unafraid, you don't react is
Speaker 1: essentially the message, whereas kind of people are really reactive otherwise.
Speaker 1: So I later formulated this whole idea based on numerous
Speaker 1: different fields and modalities of the matrix of four, which
Speaker 1: is kind of like my foundational philosophy, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's I think, really enlightening. It's been a paradigm for
Speaker 1: me and others that have looked at it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, we've covered.
Speaker 4: That was actually really really good. I thought that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that the matrix of four really kind of got
Speaker 1: me thinking on this pattern of a duality of polarity,
Speaker 1: and that has been a really basis of a lot
Speaker 1: of my observation, you know, of symbolism and even the
Speaker 1: most base systems of the world politics. Uh So, I
Speaker 1: eventually even noted the four dimensions of geometry of I
Speaker 1: noted it during the Matrix of four, but I wrote
Speaker 1: a book about the sacred geometry of the four dimensions,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of led to another level of the set,
Speaker 1: a different set of four that is not only sort
Speaker 1: of a way to comprehend meditation instruction and meditation practice,
Speaker 1: but also it's almost like a I was thinking about
Speaker 1: doing an article about sacred there's there's sacred gematria, but
Speaker 1: the four dimensions of geometry are kind of like a
Speaker 1: sacred geo matria in interpreting energies through the four dimensions
Speaker 1: of geometry, not just physical four dimensions of geometry, but
Speaker 1: the four energies of geometry having to do with point, line, plane,
Speaker 1: and solid or in in meditation terms, Nick, were you
Speaker 1: gonna say something?
Speaker 5: Oh no, No, I was just saying, yeah, remember I
Speaker 5: remember you saying all this one when you're when you
Speaker 5: did it on the show.
Speaker 4: Great, that's great stuff, man.
Speaker 1: Uh. The and and really a lot of meditation practice
Speaker 1: has this in in pretty overt terms once you understand
Speaker 1: the set of for uh, that being connection in correspondence
Speaker 1: with the point.
Speaker 8: Excuse me, concentration.
Speaker 3: Is this point like kind of like somehow in integral
Speaker 3: with time and space? Or what is the what is
Speaker 3: the concept at this point you're mentioning as this fourth aspect?
Speaker 1: Well, the point can be anything that you're contemplating. Some
Speaker 1: people will meditate focusing.
Speaker 2: Oh shitvil's go is that me? Well that's ethan I
Speaker 2: was about to say. I thought I was out again.
Speaker 3: It just started storming here, So I was about to say,
Speaker 3: do you have me hooked on these concepts?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: Why is he going to fade away like that and
Speaker 2: skip out? I'm sorry about that left.
Speaker 8: So it can be a visual point.
Speaker 1: Some people will meditate, I got a gan picture behind me.
Speaker 1: You can use any number of inspiration ideas or or
Speaker 1: concepts or even the you know the The classic thing
Speaker 1: you might see is the someone meditating in front of
Speaker 1: a flame. But the idea is beyond just physical. It's
Speaker 1: metaphysical too, in the sense of concentration is the energy
Speaker 1: we are aligning with it with the point it represents concentration.
Speaker 8: And the line.
Speaker 1: The line is energy connection in meditation terms, but in
Speaker 1: energy systems we might hear people talking about chords where
Speaker 1: they're attached to certain people placer thing in a negative
Speaker 1: kind of energy construct as.
Speaker 3: A like a quantic quantum physics kind of deal, like
Speaker 3: an entanglement situation.
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I always thought it being more
Speaker 1: allegorical as describing someone's you know, uh pattern, being stuck
Speaker 1: in a person, place or thing.
Speaker 2: That's no, okay, so not so much.
Speaker 3: It's say it's more metaphysical, because would say, didn't Giudorno
Speaker 3: Bruno kind of come up with a similar kind of
Speaker 3: entanglement process with something you called tubules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I I don't know about that, but I
Speaker 1: know there is definitely different physics connections to the point
Speaker 1: line planes and idea.
Speaker 3: Tend I was, I was just going for now, it's
Speaker 3: a great quantity for a second, we'll.
Speaker 2: Go back to the normal, the normal.
Speaker 1: I stayed away from the stayed away from the quantum
Speaker 1: because it's so hard for me to grasp. But what
Speaker 1: I do know about the quantum is that even that
Speaker 1: word comes from four quarter and they were expressing qua
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and and the expression there is, you know,
Speaker 1: this infinite quartered super small particle I believe when they
Speaker 1: were initially comprehending or imagining the idea.
Speaker 8: But it is interesting that that they chose the four.
Speaker 1: So uh, there's there's concentration and connection, and then there's circulation.
Speaker 1: I mean, a big part of energy systems, taichi especially
Speaker 1: is about moving energy in the body or moving idea
Speaker 1: within the mind, right, learning to not be stuck on it.
Speaker 3: Like I saw some stuff. I guess I don't really
Speaker 3: understand what tachi is. If I may just interject for
Speaker 3: at least an explanation for me in any other folks.
Speaker 1: I'm like really excited to share tai chi and tai
Speaker 1: chi ideas. It's often it's often known for being woo
Speaker 1: really tight chi is yep, yep, that's uh, that's taichi
Speaker 1: and h like tahoe nice.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, yeah, my apologies, it was
Speaker 2: on your website. I thought maybe that was a demonstrated.
Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. That's I mean, it is.
Speaker 1: It is tricky, but no, you can share it.
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to offend you. I really don't know
Speaker 2: what she is.
Speaker 3: When you say it's when you say it's w woo,
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's that's my understanding of it. Sure, No, No,
Speaker 3: it's known known as wu w's because it's that's my
Speaker 3: commonplace understanding of yeah.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, and it is.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: I got a compliment from my tai chi teacher on
Speaker 1: my double lotus kick here.
Speaker 2: So I'm about to ask you what what what exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a double lotus kick that's in
Speaker 1: the middle of Actually it's spelled Wu. That's a Wu
Speaker 1: family form, so it's not wo woo, it's wu w
Speaker 1: u like Wu tang, which they they they're expressing their
Speaker 1: correspondence with the kung fu flicks which we're mimicking and
Speaker 1: using Wu Dang Mountain kung fu. Gung fu, all of
Speaker 1: kung fu is actually self development practice. Gung means energy work,
Speaker 1: and fu is like you know what a what's your thing?
Speaker 1: What's your self development practice? So tai chi is a
Speaker 1: gung fu and different, uh you know things from these
Speaker 1: kung fu flicks of course, praying mantis. So all different
Speaker 1: styles down like something from a movie, are actually foundational
Speaker 1: gung fu in in terms of self development practice.
Speaker 3: Please please sure, No, I know that's a good way
Speaker 3: to understand. I understand what you're saying there as far
Speaker 3: as the self development stuff goes. We have a question
Speaker 3: from the chat and it's kind of where my head's
Speaker 3: at too, because so this is not a tai Chi
Speaker 3: is a fluid movements. These aren't poses, right, So this
Speaker 3: is not a yoga posting. You're kicking stuff here. You're
Speaker 3: not just like lifting your leg up and holding your
Speaker 3: arms up.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: This is an action move, right. They just happened to
Speaker 3: to get a still shot of you right in.
Speaker 8: No, that's a that's a great question.
Speaker 1: I would not be able to hold that as a
Speaker 1: still posture yet.
Speaker 8: I'm working on it.
Speaker 7: But yeah, the idea of the form practice is actually.
Speaker 1: That it is made up of postures. So each of
Speaker 1: fluid movement of the form, often they are noted to
Speaker 1: be one hundred and eight movements. Each of these movements
Speaker 1: are a posture, and so they can each be practiced
Speaker 1: in their fullness as a posture, as a standing meditation.
Speaker 1: The idea of zen, anything zen that we might repeat
Speaker 1: it actually comes from a chigung tai chi meditation that
Speaker 1: is a still posture, that is thes a meditation.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm tracking there, so I appreciate this explanation. So
Speaker 3: what I'm understanding that is this is kind of a
Speaker 3: derivative of Taoism.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is actually not. Chi gung is thousands of
Speaker 1: years old, and there are different chi gungs. Which gung
Speaker 1: means development, she means our energy, but more literally, it
Speaker 1: actually means compressed air. So like what are these jackhammers?
Speaker 1: This is a chi hammer, right, So chi at its
Speaker 1: most basic fundamental can be understood as compressed air. But
Speaker 1: it is of course energy and so forth.
Speaker 8: But so a lot of.
Speaker 1: Tai chi is really uh and tai Chi. The name
Speaker 1: is actually a misnomer. It's really taiji Juan. It's not
Speaker 1: tai chi.
Speaker 8: That's a misnomer.
Speaker 1: But taiji jwan does work on our energy system. I
Speaker 1: know of really hardly any people that practice taichi as
Speaker 1: a martial art. It is practed as a chi development
Speaker 1: art that might coincide with their martial art that might
Speaker 1: make any number of things they do better. In fact,
Speaker 1: one of the ways to look at it is that
Speaker 1: it's not the best martial art. It makes your martial
Speaker 1: art or your thing better. So yeah, it's it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's not as old as a lot of the
Speaker 1: chi gun. It is in fact related to many different things. Taoism,
Speaker 1: you might find, some Buddhism, you might find again the
Speaker 1: one O eight. As as the gentleman mentions the importance
Speaker 1: of one O eight with the molds, I think you
Speaker 1: can well well one zero eight is. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of metaphysical and mathematical components of one zero eight, but
Speaker 1: its most fundamental is what the gentleman noted about. There
Speaker 1: being one hundred and eight beads on a japamala, which
Speaker 1: is the prayer beads of the Buddhist monks. In fact,
Speaker 1: they will utilize a pattern that goes one hundred and
Speaker 1: eight this way and then one hundred and eight this way,
Speaker 1: because that way they can remember is it three or
Speaker 1: four hundred or three or four thousand and one hundred?
Speaker 1: Will they know because at this ending it's even, and
Speaker 1: then the next ending it's odd. And there is actually
Speaker 1: the rajah maala on the Japamala beads, which is the
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninth bead, which is the king bead,
Speaker 1: and the point from which you start to go backwards.
Speaker 1: The the Tibetans, certainly, and many other countries I could presume,
Speaker 1: have people that have become obsessed with meditation practice via
Speaker 1: numb counting out the number of monstra repetitions. So I
Speaker 1: don't think it's necessarily the end all be all of meditation,
Speaker 1: but it is used with with monks like you have
Speaker 1: to do certain mantra repetitions through through the uh Japamolla cycle,
Speaker 1: and one hundred repetitions are counted, not one and eight
Speaker 1: eight are.
Speaker 8: Used to.
Speaker 1: Were they're presumed mistakes as they incite the marchra vocally
Speaker 1: or internally, and or used for the benefit of others,
Speaker 1: which is a really beautiful concept.
Speaker 2: So they kind of built in some wiggle room.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if you say the expression rom you got
Speaker 1: you got eight extra credits. All.
Speaker 2: It's all very interesting.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm vaguely familiar with some of these
Speaker 3: topics and you know, subjects like my well, I say
Speaker 3: vaguely familiar.
Speaker 2: When I lived I was I lived in Washington, D C.
Speaker 3: For a number of years when I was in the
Speaker 3: Air Force, I was station for almost seven years. One
Speaker 3: point in time, I lived in an apartment. Out in
Speaker 3: front of my apartment, every day this old chinaman probably
Speaker 3: in his I mean he looked like he was eighty,
Speaker 3: but he's probably one hundred and twelve.
Speaker 2: He would be he would be doing tight she had.
Speaker 3: On the sidewalk every morning and I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 3: what's this dudeent like like six in the morning. So
Speaker 3: this dude was dedicated to you know. But again he
Speaker 3: looks younger than I'm sure what he was, and he
Speaker 3: moved very well. Speaking to this movement and flow of
Speaker 3: energy you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, especially as we get older, there's something
Speaker 1: really beneficial to the formula of tai Chi movement, and
Speaker 1: that is why it's the world's most popular martial art.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's not practiced as a martial art,
Speaker 1: but in fact, because it's so good for people, it
Speaker 1: is now the first, excuse me, the most widely practiced
Speaker 1: martial art in the world. Not that all these people
Speaker 1: are martial artists, right, but it's we're lucky that we
Speaker 1: have it and a lot of the healing arts from
Speaker 1: China because it and many other things were almost and
Speaker 1: many things were totally eliminated during the Cultural Revolution. In fact,
Speaker 1: taichi and its relations are so good for even a starving, malnourished,
Speaker 1: oppressed society that they couldn't get rid of it.
Speaker 8: They had to boost it.
Speaker 1: So it's it was one of the few things that
Speaker 1: has this rich history of ancient Chinese culture that they
Speaker 1: didn't and really couldn't get rid of.
Speaker 8: So that's neat. But yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Really about moving in a manner that I think this
Speaker 1: is what it's really about. When people say that there's
Speaker 1: wu wu to it, I think that they're totally wrong.
Speaker 1: I think there are wu wu practitioners. I would never
Speaker 1: promote myself as a martial artist that's you know, looking
Speaker 1: to use tai chi or x y Z. But it
Speaker 1: is a wonderful way to benefit our health and even
Speaker 1: I would argue balance our emotional mental state. It's got
Speaker 1: like all these benefits. I kind of refer to to
Speaker 1: it a second best for everything. Like you could see
Speaker 1: a therapist, that's probably your best route if you have
Speaker 1: something related to that, or practice taichi that's close second. Uh,
Speaker 1: you could do yoga, that's the best way to get
Speaker 1: limber taichi close second. You could you should use weights
Speaker 1: to get your muscle mass taichi close second, And we
Speaker 1: could go on and not so. Uh.
Speaker 3: You've done a number of studies across the spectrum of
Speaker 3: these activities. As I as I familiarize myself with some
Speaker 3: of your work and your blog and your books, what
Speaker 3: you're describing you've outlined, it seems, and what you're describing
Speaker 3: I see in the details of your titles and description
Speaker 3: of your of your books that I have not read
Speaker 3: and I will certainly be familiarizing myself with in the future.
Speaker 3: But it seems like you've done a great study in
Speaker 3: this season. How long how long you've been working on
Speaker 3: these matters? You know, when your brain on paper.
Speaker 1: I think my I'm not sure when I authored my
Speaker 1: first book, I offhand, but I had been writing quite
Speaker 1: a lot at even twenty eleven. I think I had
Speaker 1: written one or two books around twenty eleven. I remember
Speaker 1: that because it was Fukushima occurred. Then that was I started.
Speaker 1: I started writing as much as a neophyte absurdist like
Speaker 1: myself could. I started writing and researching on the nuclear experiment.
Speaker 1: So that sticks out to me. But it's a little
Speaker 1: bit before then, I was. I was already writing. Then
Speaker 1: I was going to say there's one, please go ahead.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just saying, that's awesome. I see
Speaker 2: you've even published things on Gaya.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 9: I feel like one or two. Well, actually it was
Speaker 9: I believe through the one o eight book. There was
Speaker 9: a festival that came through the Tahoe area called one
Speaker 9: oh eight Wonder Wanderlust and and they were quite popular
Speaker 9: and successful at one point in time then COVID hit.
Speaker 9: I don't know where they're.
Speaker 1: At now, if they even existed a big way, if
Speaker 1: they're even doing festivals. They had multiple things going on
Speaker 1: with their yoga studio and different contributors to what they
Speaker 1: were writing, and at one point I don't know how
Speaker 1: it happened, But at one point they offered me the
Speaker 1: position to do something with the festival, and then they
Speaker 1: quickly renagged. They quickly renagged.
Speaker 8: I wasn't the right one for some reason, but there was.
Speaker 1: I did get a few articles on there at that particular.
Speaker 8: Point in time there.
Speaker 1: I got somehow the nicety of the inclusion there.
Speaker 8: That's how I think it was.
Speaker 2: It was like, show up one day, You're like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm on guy, or do they give your heads up?
Speaker 2: Or what are we talking?
Speaker 1: No? No, uh yeah, oh yeah for sure, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna get a lot You're gonna get a lot of
Speaker 3: visibility on Guy with these topics.
Speaker 2: Right, this is right in their wheelhouse, right, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Would think, but most people are more into yoga. And
Speaker 1: why is he yoga more popular than taichi yoga pants?
Speaker 4: I was yo. If you didn't say that, I was
Speaker 4: going to say that.
Speaker 2: No, I was gonna be like, it's even it just
Speaker 2: sounds like you just reality looks likes.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, you you.
Speaker 1: Look really bad. I don't know about women, but you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't do tai chi without some loose pants. It
Speaker 1: really really adds to the whole aesthetics.
Speaker 3: Okay, so now it sounds like you invented taichi Borghini bottoms.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like pants.
Speaker 1: One of the loose rules of tai chi is that
Speaker 1: they're is not martial measurement belts, but one should wear
Speaker 1: loose clothes and have a loose belt.
Speaker 8: So yeah, jumpsuits.
Speaker 1: Jumpsuits are really the way like in modern times. And uh,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say a chemical aspect in my anecdotal
Speaker 1: experience of the benefits of tai chi again not I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to create fires with my hands. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to maintain stability in the war world.
Speaker 3: And the masters are the same thing you're saying with
Speaker 3: with the that's the extremest version of this leology, right
Speaker 3: or philosophy, right.
Speaker 1: The the the dope thing about taichi is that there
Speaker 1: is no limitation, there's no belt. It does. You do
Speaker 1: not reach a point of ultimate refinement.
Speaker 8: You keep going.
Speaker 1: So there's really in that sense, it's not saying what
Speaker 1: you can and can't do, right, that's.
Speaker 3: Actually I understand that aspect. But you know what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about. You see these I'm not a martial artist.
Speaker 3: I am a fan of martial arts, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a Scott's Irish Cherokee fellow. In Scotland, our
Speaker 3: martial arts are called fuck you and it's mainly just
Speaker 3: headbutting your opponent. Yeah, to a joke from so I
Speaker 3: married an axe men coming up this month as the
Speaker 3: Operation g c D Occult Neessitary film Review, I had
Speaker 3: apologize how to plug that. You've seen these videos where
Speaker 3: you see the the chigong master versus a martial arts master,
Speaker 3: and you know they're trying to shoot the dude just
Speaker 3: like karate chop and it's game over.
Speaker 8: Sure, I've seen tons of those.
Speaker 1: I really don't look for them, nor it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: the martial.
Speaker 8: Arts that I might look at in in total either,
Speaker 8: But say you.
Speaker 2: Could that be real?
Speaker 1: Well, there are definitely stories from legit martial artists of
Speaker 1: legit tight practitioners that are many years older than them.
Speaker 1: They couldn't determine their age and much smaller than them.
Speaker 3: And he was super small and super older than me.
Speaker 3: I couldn't quite determine his age.
Speaker 1: There there is uh a reason for them. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's a reason.
Speaker 8: Well, no, I I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I would no, I apologize. I'm
Speaker 2: into the idea.
Speaker 8: The idea, No, don't apologize, this is great.
Speaker 1: I would always do a simple thing rather than a
Speaker 1: tai chi move. I would never ever have a plan
Speaker 1: in a moment of confrontation. I would respond, in fact,
Speaker 1: that the taichi theory is to not act first, but
Speaker 1: arrive first.
Speaker 8: Right, So I mean you could get into the martial.
Speaker 3: Aspects the principle for me real quick. That gets that
Speaker 3: got that my brain all real fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you if someone goes to punch you and
Speaker 1: disengage their action by getting to them first.
Speaker 8: So tai chi.
Speaker 2: So it's well.
Speaker 1: The philosophy certainly, absolutely, yes, Yes, the philosophy and the
Speaker 1: classical depiction of tai chi would be yielding to an
Speaker 1: attacker and yielding to them ending up on the floor.
Speaker 8: It's a great way to deal with bad energy.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm highly skeptical of steven S, but there is
Speaker 1: if you look at his past, he definitely had some interesting.
Speaker 8: Teachings.
Speaker 1: He was, he was in Japan, he was, he was
Speaker 1: going to places, and it might have all been you know,
Speaker 1: fame oriented. I know he works, he's like getting medals
Speaker 1: from Russia and hanging out with He's there, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's number one, weighed and measured number.
Speaker 2: One, exactly right. I think he isn't he? Him and
Speaker 2: his ex wife got super fat? Remember how hot she was?
Speaker 1: Vaguely, vaguely I'll bring up like.
Speaker 3: Kelly the Brock anyway, they're yeah, they're both married at
Speaker 3: that time.
Speaker 2: You look at him now they're both three hundred pounds.
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, well, you know all does.
Speaker 2: Some tai cheese stuff, right, is my thinking of something?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: I think he is like Keto focused.
Speaker 2: Take You're right, You're right, You're right.
Speaker 3: But if you ask him, if you ask him, he's
Speaker 3: been doing tai chi for one hundred years though, if
Speaker 3: you asked.
Speaker 2: Him, Yeah, like I'm an expert. I've been doing it
Speaker 2: for hunt.
Speaker 1: Yes that is true, Yes, yeah, yeah, always he may
Speaker 1: I don't know, but again your.
Speaker 2: First crush, my bad. I apologize, I'm I'm interrupting the conversation.
Speaker 4: Or just I read it that way too. I realized
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 8: Always priced for.
Speaker 2: Have you seen have you seen pictures over now? Please continue,
Speaker 2: I'll bring the.
Speaker 1: Photo so I don't I distrust you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of the depictions, whether they're on one side of the spectrum,
Speaker 1: or other of tai chi as it being totally bogus
Speaker 1: or as it being totally great. We'll see, I think,
Speaker 1: and the expression is in taichi. It is not the style.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I practice Wu style. It's not the style,
Speaker 1: it's the practitioner. So I think a really amazing thing
Speaker 1: about tai chi. That's anecdotal understanding, But in my interpretation,
Speaker 1: it helps to increase these beneficial chemicals that are chemically
Speaker 1: and physically measured in the notion of the Runners High.
Speaker 1: And it's not the same, it's not the same chemical
Speaker 1: reaction or response that we engage in practicing the same
Speaker 1: it's in fact, a much my newt amount of the
Speaker 1: same creation of the chemicals. Right, Runner High is this
Speaker 1: much chemicals? Taichi practice this much because we kind of
Speaker 1: use our imagination, which is a you know, as a
Speaker 1: very silly aspect to it.
Speaker 8: But it's a.
Speaker 1: Really chemical influential, powerful device in the terms of getting
Speaker 1: that taking on the bear, or taking on your nemesis
Speaker 1: that has been long your nemesis or your new nemesis,
Speaker 1: or your least favorite politician, and that creates a little
Speaker 1: bit of Runners high chemical creation. Except you don't need
Speaker 1: hardly energy of it, so you you create this really
Speaker 1: beneficial chemical composition that is preparing your body to prepare
Speaker 1: from running and fighting a bear right, running from and
Speaker 1: fighting with a bear right?
Speaker 3: Actually not is that one of the key principles then,
Speaker 3: So like that's the idea is to train your mind
Speaker 3: while doing these these movements.
Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily if this is widely expressed, but
Speaker 1: a big part of tai chi is getting high off
Speaker 1: your own supply, off your own biological chemical creation. And
Speaker 1: uh so we're we're really generating all this positive chemical forces,
Speaker 1: and yet we're at the same contrast putting our body
Speaker 1: in a really relaxed state that these chemicals can circulate
Speaker 1: better and thus have a better effect. So it's a
Speaker 1: really powerful thing. If you want to use it for
Speaker 1: martial arts, like Mike is talking about, you just include
Speaker 1: it with a more yang force practice. Tai Chi is
Speaker 1: definitely more yin oriented the internal, the softness. I have
Speaker 1: definitely had teachers and fellow practitioners that in the two
Speaker 1: person practice called pushing hands, there is an element of
Speaker 1: empty force where you try the more you might try
Speaker 1: to engage force upon them, the more they disappear on
Speaker 1: you and you have to be really grounded and not lean.
Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting dealing with a tai chi practitioner.
Speaker 8: It's very not fake.
Speaker 3: Let's just say that interesting. So here's a question for me,
Speaker 3: the comes of mind. So we mentioned the comparison or not,
Speaker 3: you know, not relative but not the same as yoga,
Speaker 3: but almost like in the same accomplishing the same.
Speaker 2: Tasks or goals as you would through yoga, different practice.
Speaker 3: Right, So I've been I've been doing yoga for a while,
Speaker 3: following the practices and teachings in my group Guru Diamond
Speaker 3: Dallas Page GDP Yoga.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do enjoy that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Are you serious?
Speaker 8: Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 3: He's a former w w F A wrestler, dude, who uh,
Speaker 3: I guess you know he's created this it's a great
Speaker 3: yoga program. I am being half serious and half half kidding.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you couldn't find the difference. That's what I
Speaker 3: was saying for.
Speaker 4: Yeah that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I never got into wrestling, but you know,
Speaker 3: I heard this dude story about how he help this
Speaker 3: yoga stuff to overcome some injuries and stuff, and you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I I've done before, doing it a game right
Speaker 3: now to overcome another injury. I just recently had so
Speaker 3: blew up my neck a couple of times this year,
Speaker 3: dislocated my jaw earlier this year.
Speaker 2: That was fun.
Speaker 3: I always always a good time done that before, played
Speaker 3: that game. Uh bringing up a dog fight, Damn dogs.
Speaker 3: But anyhow, you know, I would be you know, so
Speaker 3: would this be a proper substitute in place of my
Speaker 3: guru's teachings DDP yoga?
Speaker 1: I would, honestly, I always recommend integrating your past practices
Speaker 1: and your current knowledge and everything you know about your
Speaker 1: your lifestyle, whether it's playing baseball and sliding into bases
Speaker 1: or dealing with insensitive creatures on two legs. It's it's
Speaker 1: really helpful, and it's one of the most integrative practices.
Speaker 1: I think I practice yoga every day, but I think
Speaker 1: most yogis don't call what I practice yoga.
Speaker 8: But I don't know what to call it.
Speaker 1: You could call it nadon or different different chigong maybe,
Speaker 1: but it's I highly recommend this. It's super vigorous and
Speaker 1: really empowering. The five rights.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I go ahead. My lag time order is terrible,
Speaker 2: even go ahead.
Speaker 1: The five Tibetan Rights of rejuvenation are super simple, powerful
Speaker 1: practice you know, kind of has like a legend out
Speaker 1: of an old book. And uh, I think it might
Speaker 1: be from Nepal or Bruton. But but the exact origination
Speaker 1: of it is is non is non determinative. But really
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: Uh, my apologize, my signal is terrible. We got a
Speaker 2: storm going here. Now.
Speaker 3: This is not like a you don't go to. This
Speaker 3: is nothing that you go to a class necessarily did do.
Speaker 3: This is something you've you've again, you've studied through some
Speaker 3: you know, some practition you know of some old Tibetan
Speaker 3: you know practice.
Speaker 2: Is that what I'm hearing?
Speaker 1: It is in fact so simple that there's no real
Speaker 1: instruction needed, especially when you have earlier prior yoga experience
Speaker 1: and even sport kinetic knowledge of body work like it is.
Speaker 1: It is yoga movements that you've likely done before, if
Speaker 1: you practice yoga before. So it's in fact, I think
Speaker 1: a big reason why it is not taught is because
Speaker 1: it's so simple and powerful and and just like, oh
Speaker 1: I don't need to learn again, it's not it's not
Speaker 1: like hot yoga where you need to figure it out,
Speaker 1: or different different cycles where you need to figure it out.
Speaker 1: It's really just five movements done in repetition and a
Speaker 1: It's like the most simple thing, but it's really yang.
Speaker 1: It's really powerful. I find it. I'm basically dependent on
Speaker 1: it to start the day. I'm back taichi. Sorry, no, no.
Speaker 1: The taichi is a really great way to soften the body.
Speaker 1: Another thing I've experienced is a whole different way I
Speaker 1: might deal with gravity, even the gravity of someone pushing
Speaker 1: me or trying to topple me over. We don't realize
Speaker 1: how mechanical and square we often move when we're actually
Speaker 1: meant to be more circular, or more circular movements might
Speaker 1: be more powerful in dealing with different aspects of gravity.
Speaker 1: Certainly not all, but it really changes the way you
Speaker 1: might deflect incoming energy, for instance, or a fall. And
Speaker 1: it teaches people how to walk. You'd be surprised how
Speaker 1: much I've shared tai chi and I talk about remember
Speaker 1: to when we're walking we step heel first and and
Speaker 1: not and make sure to not catch our toes. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, wow, I never thought
Speaker 1: about that. I needed that, And and so it's it's like,
Speaker 1: really simple, but it's really I wouldn't say complicated, but
Speaker 1: refined as well. But yeah, it has. It has so
Speaker 1: many positive effects, and that's why it's popular. Not the
Speaker 1: Wu i swear, and there are notorious wu practice uh
Speaker 1: woosters out there. I'm sure, definitely in yoga, and definitely
Speaker 1: in kung fu and so forth, but it's really meant
Speaker 1: to be practiced alone. And that's maybe the complication of
Speaker 1: sharing tai chi is that people really have to do
Speaker 1: it themselves, right, like.
Speaker 2: Understanding, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it's it's interesting how much you can think about.
Speaker 1: When you're learning about just a really simple articulation, you
Speaker 1: might realize how clumsy you're moving. When you try to
Speaker 1: mimic a refined movement that you're learning, you realize how
Speaker 1: much that you can refine. Not that we are all clumsy,
Speaker 1: but we're actually all athletes, right.
Speaker 2: So I understand what you're saying, but I mean I
Speaker 2: always land on my feet.
Speaker 1: That's tai Chi is all about the feline energy and
Speaker 1: notoriously attracts the cats. They and animals I find they
Speaker 1: love to observe humans practicing tai chi, and they.
Speaker 8: Almost are like, this is what humans do?
Speaker 1: They just are kind of it is a weird, weird
Speaker 1: response to almost honestly, we were just walking firmly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting, right, we're usually walking for apologize, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is this is great because we're usually walking firmly,
Speaker 1: or maybe we don't even walk, and the animal just
Speaker 1: sees a human kind of swimming in the air. And
Speaker 1: it's very bird like too. The birds are like, is
Speaker 1: he can he fly? So, I mean it's a really
Speaker 1: like amazing chemical process. And yeah, it's got, it's got
Speaker 1: just really it's the one thing in the world that
Speaker 1: I found no hangover, I'll benefit interesting.
Speaker 2: I appreciate those comparisons.
Speaker 3: I I I definitely enjoyed, uh you know, break the
Speaker 3: breakdown there. I thought you were gonna tell me that
Speaker 3: at one point your your yoga guru was a macho man,
Speaker 3: Randy Savage, and I was gonna obviously sign up for
Speaker 3: that program.
Speaker 1: I did of my wander.
Speaker 4: You know, he's he's boys, he's he was the boys
Speaker 4: wonder lust.
Speaker 1: I met some kind of sorry, well I lagging now, sorry,
Speaker 1: that's right, Sorry, what did just what do you want
Speaker 1: to say? I?
Speaker 5: Uh, macho man was friends with Marielon le Manson.
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 4: Was he really no.
Speaker 5: You can find picture of them together. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I think there was a special. There was like a
Speaker 5: wrestling special that was going on for like a few
Speaker 5: months or they're like doing like certain wrestlers, and I
Speaker 5: think there was like they were even showing that he
Speaker 5: was friends with them and stuff. I think they were like, oh, oh,
Speaker 5: you know he was friends with you know, like showing
Speaker 5: his wide range of like you know people he was
Speaker 5: friends within, how he could fit into everywhere.
Speaker 4: I think they even like showed like from this to
Speaker 4: that whatever that was.
Speaker 2: He was a hell of an athlete.
Speaker 3: But he was also held a coked obviously too, so
Speaker 3: I could see where him and old Marilyn Manson might
Speaker 3: get along.
Speaker 1: There you go. I was gonna say, I've met some
Speaker 1: uh and experienced classes with some you know, uh famous yogi's,
Speaker 1: I mean famous in there in the yoga field. But
Speaker 1: in my experience, my tai chi teachers have always been
Speaker 1: like Yoda, like I found you, like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's really hard to find a tai chi teacher.
Speaker 8: Let's just say it's it's a.
Speaker 1: It's really beneficial, but there's a few and far between
Speaker 1: the people practice and teach.
Speaker 3: It and and why do you think that is? Is
Speaker 3: it's just a loll start from an older generation or
Speaker 3: what not. Not no one's appreciating anymore.
Speaker 4: I think you might have lost you And.
Speaker 2: Is that a lost art said?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's you know, it's the difficulty of
Speaker 1: doing the internal work, like here's the here's the work
Speaker 1: you gotta do, and and you got to do homework.
Speaker 1: You should work your way up from twenty minutes a
Speaker 1: day to an hour and and I'll see you next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can nail them with that personal development, right.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a big limiting.
Speaker 2: Factor for folks too distracted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, it's it's I think, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: hard for us all to take on in total, it's
Speaker 1: almost like a system. It's like a system of self
Speaker 1: development in a lot of ways, and and with no
Speaker 1: set course or end results necessarily, But it works like.
Speaker 8: The layering of a phone book.
Speaker 1: Right, every day you practice is like a piece of
Speaker 1: paper on a phone book, and then eventually it's resilient.
Speaker 1: So it's a very subtle way to develop. But I
Speaker 1: find all these people have like such all these people
Speaker 1: as we get older, there are all these potential problems
Speaker 1: that are like, wait, this subtle thing, this subtle little problem,
Speaker 1: and so taichi just helps with subtle things.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we may like Stevens to go and
Speaker 3: let him know about that, because you were mentioned the
Speaker 3: things about gravity and the subtle change over time and
Speaker 3: your elderly So this is the lovely problem Kelly LeBrock
Speaker 3: and Steven Sigldmary there in the nineties. Now, I guess
Speaker 3: I should do her an apology. She has a low
Speaker 3: some weight and it looks a lot better than her
Speaker 3: ex husband does healthwise.
Speaker 2: But obviously she she was.
Speaker 3: You know, a little bit bigger than this from some
Speaker 3: tabloid photos of recall, but this is her in recent years. Obviously,
Speaker 3: this is her in Weird Science. That's a pretty for
Speaker 3: any gents of our generations. Is pretty legendary scene and Tom.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 8: Epic movie because of her.
Speaker 3: Well that you know that. And Bill Paxton, not Bill Pulman.
Speaker 3: I think, I don't think it's Bill Paxston. He gets
Speaker 3: turned into a turret, giant turret. I mean, who's not
Speaker 3: gonna remember that? That's that's hilarious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was classic at the.
Speaker 2: End, great film. Great film.
Speaker 3: So Steven Saghal obviously looks like not only did he
Speaker 3: eat the old Steven Sagal, but he's eating that Steven
Speaker 3: Sagall as well.
Speaker 2: Stephen Sgal is eating to achieve this. I mean, look
Speaker 2: how fat he is, dude? Wow?
Speaker 4: Eating two of them?
Speaker 2: Oh my look how I mean? Look how fatty is
Speaker 2: This is in Russia, by the way.
Speaker 3: He's the king over there, I think, yeah, he is.
Speaker 2: What is going on with that hairline? What is happening here?
Speaker 2: That's great? Obviously a right.
Speaker 4: That I think actually get it shaped up?
Speaker 5: Noticed that they might shave it in.
Speaker 1: He Oh that's total No, that's total implants or yea
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 3: I would argue him and travolt to go to the
Speaker 3: same wig guy. Travolta rocks a very similar wig situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it really kind of expresses to me a
Speaker 1: little bit of self doubt when he's like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: all getting old and obviously you can't hide your belly there, sir,
Speaker 1: Like why are you worried about? Like, don't don't wear
Speaker 1: it out, dude, wear at or wear it out like
Speaker 1: no one wants to see that.
Speaker 3: Like I tell you look at you, man, this is
Speaker 3: this is what Travoltz looks like without his wig on.
Speaker 4: Oh ship, it looks fine.
Speaker 8: He looks real at least whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, But I'm saying recent years has been going wigless
Speaker 2: you know what?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 8: I just just being real is great.
Speaker 2: But I mean I wed with his wigs, right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 8: Very very starting.
Speaker 2: Look at that. You look like a complete weird. I
Speaker 2: put in a wig on like that if you asked me.
Speaker 3: But it has that same and when it's he has
Speaker 3: a different wig that's very short hair and it looks
Speaker 3: a lot like the one that it's the gold Rocks
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: But on that note, yeah, I mean that is that
Speaker 2: way that's less worse. Well, I'll find you the bad
Speaker 2: one on that. Now, look how fat this dude has gotten.
Speaker 2: This is supposed to be some sort of martial artists.
Speaker 2: Are you telling me that?
Speaker 1: Now? Well, there is there is the idea in Ikdo
Speaker 1: of the practitioner and his OK. The UK is the
Speaker 1: guy that gets thrown around, and that might be a
Speaker 1: good phase of learning in practice to learn how to
Speaker 1: tumble and so forth, but it's not the pattern that
Speaker 1: one wants to be in as a as a martial artist.
Speaker 1: The UK is basically taking that turn into a flip
Speaker 1: and flop, so you don't want.
Speaker 2: To be there.
Speaker 3: I think Steven sig misunderstood that and he thought they
Speaker 3: said dukie because he looks pretty duky.
Speaker 2: So so look, how weird this this moy is. You
Speaker 2: see what I'm talking about? That kind of weird look
Speaker 2: similar to to the to the cigar. I've been trying.
Speaker 3: I've been tracking this dude's activities for many years. He's
Speaker 3: a complete weirddo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what Steven Saguld does in life,
Speaker 3: but I cannot imagine it's anything normal, right, that isn't
Speaker 3: some weird ship.
Speaker 2: I promise you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The the in the overt luxury in in Russia
Speaker 1: is is so you know what we would call like
Speaker 1: eighties taki. It's just beyond the pail from what I understand.
Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah, I mean you got to think that
Speaker 3: they never really got anything American and so what like
Speaker 3: you know the early nineties, right, so they kind of
Speaker 3: went through all the American culture at once, right, all
Speaker 3: those decades of culture kind of got dumped on it once.
Speaker 3: It's gonna it's gonna create a weird environment if you
Speaker 3: asked me.
Speaker 1: Gosh right, yeah, good point from from jeans to them
Speaker 1: to the modern day mafia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're dropping the sixties, the eighties, and the nineties
Speaker 2: on them at once, dude.
Speaker 3: Forget the seventies and everyone else did. But you know,
Speaker 3: if you dropped decades on them at once, dude, what's
Speaker 3: happening in life?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you both didn't.
Speaker 3: So i'd ever say about the time that Travolta got
Speaker 3: a little too hansy with me one time secluded airplane Ethan.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I had I had to travolt this
Speaker 1: story too. Is that really you and Travolted?
Speaker 3: It's me as a young staff sergeant Garden at their
Speaker 3: stealth Fighter, me and my team.
Speaker 1: I went to uh an event at a museum in Maine,
Speaker 1: and uh he my friend had noted that he might
Speaker 1: show up.
Speaker 8: I was clueless. I guess she was like, oh, he
Speaker 8: was totally you know, he was looking at you like what, yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: He was right, right, of course, And she knew that then,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was just like kind of clueless, like, oh,
Speaker 1: Travolta is going to be there.
Speaker 8: I want to meet him. But he was he was so.
Speaker 7: D l like.
Speaker 1: I didn't even I looked right at him. I didn't
Speaker 1: recognize him at all. I was told later that was him.
Speaker 1: He was, he was so inconspicuous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I recognized him immediately. Sadly.
Speaker 3: I also was yelling at him with a large gun
Speaker 3: in my hand tone to get his damn hands off
Speaker 3: my aircraft. So he was the master. He was a
Speaker 3: Master of ceremonies at the Dayton, Ohio Airport air Show.
Speaker 3: So not not a military base to ain airport. We
Speaker 3: we had that from like Thursday through Sunday. We had
Speaker 3: it was, you know, the airport air shows multiple days.
Speaker 3: The main event was on Saturday.
Speaker 4: He fly.
Speaker 3: He was a Master of ceremonies. No one No one
Speaker 3: told me. No one told me, you know, and uh,
Speaker 3: the I have. It's me and five of my guys
Speaker 3: out there, and we're garding. We're mainly just garden. App
Speaker 3: We have other Air Force aircraft that are on the ramp.
Speaker 3: So I have a golf cart, mean another guy, but
Speaker 3: a golf car. We do some rounds, check out the
Speaker 3: other aircraft from time to time, right, But for the
Speaker 3: most part we're all just hanging outside that anger next
Speaker 3: to the fighter, because that was the main that was
Speaker 3: the main priority.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 3: In fact, this night, a couple of my troops brought
Speaker 3: uh that movie. This was a July of two thousand
Speaker 3: and three. My couple of my troops brought that film
Speaker 3: Basic with Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta, which was
Speaker 3: fairly new on DVD at the time.
Speaker 2: You all familiar with that one?
Speaker 4: Oh, I've never heard of that.
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's a scientology special. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: scientologists in it. But you ever seen it?
Speaker 8: No, it's what is it about? Basic Training?
Speaker 3: It's about a murder in Panama in the nineties at
Speaker 3: a at an army base.
Speaker 2: I believe I recall correctly.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen this film since that night, so let
Speaker 3: me see the details. Well I don't either, So let's
Speaker 3: let's take a journey back to July two thousand and three.
Speaker 3: We don't have a delore in the night, but we'll
Speaker 3: do a quick shot here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Basic is a two thousand and three crime action three
Speaker 3: are directed by John McTiernan YadA, YadA, YadA, Travolta, Samuel Jackson.
Speaker 2: I know I know where BC's in there. He's a scientologist. Okay.
Speaker 3: During a live fire exercise in the jungles of Panama,
Speaker 3: a team of Army Rangers trainees is led by an
Speaker 3: instructor and master Sergeant Nathan West. Sergeant Ray Dunbar. Uh
Speaker 3: West is the Why don't they tell me who's the
Speaker 3: actor here? Anyway, there's a there's a murder, and then
Speaker 3: they bring in Travolta, who's Army CID, to investigate stuff,
Speaker 3: and it gets real weird like that. It's actually a
Speaker 3: decent movie. It was kind of a.
Speaker 2: Flop at the theater though, didn't do well. It's like
Speaker 2: box office wise. Yeah. So it was March two thousand
Speaker 2: and three. Yes, so the DVD came out literally like
Speaker 2: that week.
Speaker 3: You know, it's sure happenstance, I suppose, but the uh so,
Speaker 3: we're watching it that night, they're watching it in the hangars.
Speaker 3: I'm out doing my rounds, right and uh that's when
Speaker 3: I see someone touching some aircraft of mine and no
Speaker 3: one told me about it.
Speaker 2: We're in a restricted area on a you know, Savannah
Speaker 2: air So.
Speaker 3: I pulled there in my golf cart, hop out, start
Speaker 3: hollering at the guy, get your damn hands off my aircraft.
Speaker 3: It was a guy, a lady, and a child. It's
Speaker 3: midnight on a Friday night, and the guy turns around.
Speaker 3: I immediately recognized its Volta and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: you drawn Travolta and he's like yeah, and he's like,
Speaker 3: that's my plane. And I turned around. Comically, there's a
Speaker 3: large seven thirty seven right behind me that I definitely
Speaker 3: didn't see as I pulled up, and that's his personal aircraft.
Speaker 2: He had just flown in. And again, no one notified
Speaker 2: me in.
Speaker 3: My security area of this because the airport cops didn't
Speaker 3: like us, so by all means, no one was going
Speaker 3: to help helping any any capacity by notifying me of
Speaker 3: folks coming into my area. But they want they wanted
Speaker 3: to come in and see the Stealth Fighter, and I
Speaker 3: told those fat bastards, no way, it's it's a secured area.
Speaker 3: So when they saw me bring Revolts in there, then
Speaker 3: they threw a bigger fit later and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: you guys can go fuck yourself.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 3: So the uh so now one told me said then
Speaker 3: I felt bad and I was like, oh shit, that's your plane.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I just flew in I'm the master's
Speaker 3: ceremonies and I said, oh shit, my apology. And the
Speaker 3: lady and his uh the child was his publicist and
Speaker 3: her son, so that it was it was late.
Speaker 2: They left. I said, I felt bad.
Speaker 3: I said, why don't y'all come see the Stealth Fighter
Speaker 3: and come meet my troops. They'd love to meet you.
Speaker 3: They're watching I said, they're watching your movie right now,
Speaker 3: and they go. He he comes over to the hangar
Speaker 3: and I was like, man, this dude's a nice stute.
Speaker 3: He came in for like an hour and a half
Speaker 3: demanded on taking photos. I did not want to take
Speaker 3: this photo. By the way, the lock the aquera one
Speaker 3: on my face awkward look at my faces because I
Speaker 3: was standing about two feet over from him, and the
Speaker 3: last second he can't. He put his arm around my
Speaker 3: neck and brought me in a real tight and then
Speaker 3: I pulled. I pulled away, and I felt bad because
Speaker 3: he looked at me weird. So I put my arm
Speaker 3: around his arm just to make him feel little bit
Speaker 3: better in life. But he was a nice guy otherwise.
Speaker 3: He signed autographs. I like that DVD and stuff of
Speaker 3: my troops that they were watching.
Speaker 2: But I did feel bad.
Speaker 4: For arms.
Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't a gun at him, but I
Speaker 3: had a you know, I had a rifle, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, like it so and you know, he
Speaker 3: was touching my aircraft. I appreciate it because no one
Speaker 3: told me. But anyhow, so it was a weird event,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, yeah, he understood, you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: he hung out for like an hour and a half.
Speaker 3: So and then years later I saw them tabloid articles
Speaker 3: and I was like, you know what, maybe he wasn't
Speaker 3: just a nice guy. Maybe he thought he had the
Speaker 3: jackpot that night, you know what I mean, He's like,
Speaker 3: what do he means?
Speaker 2: He's like six young Freshing Air Force.
Speaker 3: Military police officers and a secluded airplane hangar on a
Speaker 3: restricted airfield on a Friday night. He's like, he's like jackpot,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Kind of how I thought
Speaker 3: about the situation later because uh, you know, apparently apparently,
Speaker 3: you know, apparently he got really aggressive with those massus,
Speaker 3: numerous male massuses over the years. And I'll tell you
Speaker 3: one thing, he got a little aggressive with me in
Speaker 3: that phot and at the time I didn't really appreciate it,
Speaker 3: and I you know, I just thought he was, you know,
Speaker 3: an overly kind of gentleman at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it makes me think I want you. Have
Speaker 1: you guys heard the story about Jackie Gleason.
Speaker 2: I'm listening.
Speaker 3: I like some old Hollywood tales, enough familiar with this one.
Speaker 1: It could be total b us because check out what
Speaker 1: it's related to. But there's a story of how Jackie
Speaker 1: Gleason was fascinated with the UFO topic and phenomenon, and
Speaker 1: even I think had a house built in the shape
Speaker 1: of a flying sauce.
Speaker 2: I've heard that where but where did that? Where was that?
Speaker 2: Someone Hatty was telling me about that recently see.
Speaker 1: La my mistake, though I don't know particularly, but I
Speaker 1: assume it was in California, southern California.
Speaker 8: But but he was.
Speaker 1: He had a whole library on the topic right, and
Speaker 1: apparently was friends with some really high powered folks who
Speaker 1: brought him to see either a craft or bodies. Again
Speaker 1: a highly, highly skeptical story, but it makes me think.
Speaker 1: You know, John Travolta, I've heard other stories of him
Speaker 1: being interested in planes and.
Speaker 8: Such and such.
Speaker 1: Obviously the ultra wealthy they just get them too, so
Speaker 1: they're like straight shopping. But I wonder who the modern
Speaker 1: day gleason might might be that you know, has some
Speaker 1: star with connection, like, oh yeah, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: to the Air Force base and hang out because everyone
Speaker 1: knows me.
Speaker 3: Well, that's certainly possible. So in Travolta's case, and again
Speaker 3: that was all sure happens. Thence again he and everybody
Speaker 3: got access to that place. You see, I I blacked
Speaker 3: out all of my patches and name type of stuff
Speaker 3: on there because I wasn't there yet, and I didn't
Speaker 3: take that photograph.
Speaker 1: I noticed that, You're like, just for future reference, that's
Speaker 1: not me.
Speaker 2: Someone super imposed me in that photograph.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I didn't want to take I was the
Speaker 3: last one. Everyone else I'm like, yeah, you all post
Speaker 3: for photographs. That's fine, you know. I mean I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, we're not climbing that. I was like, we're
Speaker 3: not climbing the cockpit. That's not happened.
Speaker 8: Guys, you were, you were kind of the boss, So
Speaker 8: you're like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I wasn't gonna I didn't want any evidence
Speaker 3: that I was engaged that it was fine with them
Speaker 3: doing it. But you know, everyone talks, and you know,
Speaker 3: I was like, this shit's gonna get out, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. These were all early on set digital photography,
Speaker 3: so shit was gonna memory cards. You never that shit
Speaker 3: gets real wild, real quick with getting shared. I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a part of this one, right, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I don't like to, you know,
Speaker 3: I go I go by the John Gotti school of
Speaker 3: a you know, school of life, where you don't you
Speaker 3: don't post for photographs and increminating circumstances and anything you
Speaker 3: say or write down be ready for that to be
Speaker 3: read back.
Speaker 2: To you in court.
Speaker 3: That's what these were stables from John Gotti, the mob boss.
Speaker 3: So I like to subscribe to those kind of things
Speaker 3: in life. So you know, you know, everyone and we
Speaker 3: live in a modern era where everyone photographs their crimes
Speaker 3: and the dumbest shit possible, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: This is two thousand and three. I not really a
Speaker 3: crime per se, but he shouldn't have been in there.
Speaker 3: I'll admit that much.
Speaker 1: One thing.
Speaker 8: Please go ahead, you no.
Speaker 3: I just even I even felt bad afterwards because or
Speaker 3: I felt like an idiot towards I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: after I first invited Hi, I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 3: that's kind of a dumb thing. I acted like, you
Speaker 3: never seen it before. He did a whole movie with
Speaker 3: the cell fight beforehand, already broken arrow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he wanted we wanted the boys to show him
Speaker 5: how it works.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. He's like, yeah, I've never seen
Speaker 3: a souther fight before. Guys, let me see that.
Speaker 4: We had showed me how to handle that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they wanted to climb into the cockpit, I
Speaker 3: don't think that's what the cock what he was talking about.
Speaker 1: Uh. Someone in the chat saying, ivy since Gleason's UFO
Speaker 1: themed house was in upstate New York, Oh, I don't say,
Speaker 1: don't say Westchester.
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, sir, It's located in Westchester.
Speaker 5: Come boy, I always got to be in New York
Speaker 5: any No, it's Westchester for you, yes, sir?
Speaker 8: No, oh, yes, sir.
Speaker 2: I was I was waiting. I was waiting for you.
Speaker 2: You got me. You read my mind.
Speaker 3: There, Jackson Jackie Gleason's iconic circular mansion on the market
Speaker 3: for twelve million dollars. The located in the town of
Speaker 3: Architectural Feet in west Chester County, where everything inside and
Speaker 3: out as circular, and he is part of an estate
Speaker 3: being listed for twelve million dollars. So you need to
Speaker 3: tell me this dude build an alien UFO uh house
Speaker 3: in the din in the place I called denim in equity,
Speaker 3: full of all sorts of ancient alien cargo cultist activities.
Speaker 4: Shocked?
Speaker 1: Would it would have shocked?
Speaker 3: That's interesting, though, I have to look more into Glease
Speaker 3: And so was it he was? Was he buddies with
Speaker 3: what Nixon or something?
Speaker 1: Maybe I think it was Nixon, forgive me. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was Nixon, but I'm not one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's stories of him just being walked in
Speaker 1: and just like people would react like, oh, hey, oh,
Speaker 1: it's well, it's Jackie Gleason, you're friends with the generally
Speaker 1: obviously he was.
Speaker 3: The dude, right, And he was the guy I mean
Speaker 3: the Honeymooners on TV when there's like two or three channels, right,
Speaker 3: he was like the only you were forced to watch
Speaker 3: it if you didn't like it.
Speaker 2: I mean it was still on anyway, that's true.
Speaker 4: Good points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's wild that he was in Westchester.
Speaker 1: I will admit them to having grown up in that
Speaker 1: den of iniquity Westchester for about four or five years
Speaker 1: of my youth bug out on this class trip.
Speaker 2: Please please please do share.
Speaker 8: Four or trade.
Speaker 1: This was in Putnam Valley, right near modern day West
Speaker 1: Point and Indian Point. And of course JJ, maybe you're familiar.
Speaker 1: There's a big mountain base there. There's a big underground
Speaker 1: army installation and training facility right next to virtually down
Speaker 1: the down the road from West Point and really closer
Speaker 1: to Indian Point, the nuclear power generation experiment.
Speaker 2: No idea.
Speaker 3: Actually this is a brand new information. Please continue.
Speaker 8: Well, let's do you want to look up what that is?
Speaker 8: I forget. I think it's still in existence.
Speaker 2: I'm working on right now. Yes, sir, what was the place?
Speaker 1: I forget the name of the mountain based subterranean mountain
Speaker 1: base right next to West Point and Indian Point there is,
Speaker 1: so it's not like secretive or anything.
Speaker 2: And we so.
Speaker 8: We drove right by this mountain base. I forget what
Speaker 8: it's called. JJ will know in a minute.
Speaker 1: And I went to Indian Point Nuclear Power Generation facility
Speaker 1: for a class trip. And it was a total propaganda
Speaker 1: show and propaganda tour of the nuclear power plant, which
Speaker 1: of course they stopped doing because they gained some sensibility.
Speaker 2: But that that was which was this.
Speaker 1: Indian Point upstate New York. It is the I think
Speaker 1: it's now shut down, But keep in mind every shut
Speaker 1: down nuclear power plant has on site storage. It is
Speaker 1: just not producing energy anymore but running.
Speaker 3: It's decommission. But you're right, it's still it's still kind
Speaker 3: of being in a whole whole status, right, Al.
Speaker 8: It's got it's got to be.
Speaker 1: And actually it's the oldest nuclear power plant formerly operating
Speaker 1: now in the US.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about Camp Smith?
Speaker 8: No, Indian Indian Point?
Speaker 2: No there the military base there.
Speaker 8: Oh could be?
Speaker 1: Could it be? It could be Camp Smith?
Speaker 8: Excuse me?
Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, no worries, no, I I yeah, I saw
Speaker 3: the I saw the nuclear power point in the Camp
Speaker 3: Smith's the nearest military installation of this in Courtland, New York.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, That makes sense. I forget what does
Speaker 1: it say that it's a it was an underground mountain thing.
Speaker 2: Well, it makes sense to me that it would be.
Speaker 3: It was fifteen hundred acres and it started in nineteen nineteen,
Speaker 3: so this would have been a time where they'd start
Speaker 3: doing these kind of uh yeah, burrowing into these mountains
Speaker 3: on the East coast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one one of those just an interesting
Speaker 1: you know Marshall.
Speaker 3: No, and it's connected to West Point because it says
Speaker 3: they use that for Dreams Center.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so of course, of course, which makes complete sense.
Speaker 2: It's this Smith's Mountain Lake is that? Does that sound right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm sorry, I can't. Can't remember it all the
Speaker 1: name that they're learning about must.
Speaker 3: It's interesting though, because I didn't even know that stuff
Speaker 3: was going on in Westchester. So you're bringing a lot
Speaker 3: to my attention here because good well, I said, my
Speaker 3: origin stories from just across the border there in Richfield, Connecticut.
Speaker 3: But you know where my family goes back a long ways.
Speaker 3: But I only spent a few years of my life there.
Speaker 1: Sure, and I went to an Army Navy game at
Speaker 1: West Point one time.
Speaker 8: That was that was thrilling for a little kid.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh. I was gonna say that the Indian
Speaker 1: Point Nuclear Power Facility is I think one of the
Speaker 1: few that is built on granite. Of course, New York
Speaker 1: is just all grantede right, especially that area anyway, So
Speaker 1: it's probably one of the more stable facilities that there are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a lot of quarries up there.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: That's some of the best granted up in New England,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: Over Mont's Fault Mound, New Hampshire. They're full of huge
Speaker 3: granite quarries I mean that have been long long since
Speaker 3: mind and abandoned.
Speaker 2: Now filled with water. They're just filled with water.
Speaker 3: And some of those places, a lot ane of them
Speaker 3: have this lady in the lake kind of folklore where
Speaker 3: there's ghostly apparition will jump into the water from some
Speaker 3: lady who allegedly jumped into the.
Speaker 2: Water and died.
Speaker 3: Sure, I've noticed that's a common tripe to these these couarries,
Speaker 3: these you know, of the years, I used to do
Speaker 3: a lot of ghost hunting, if you will, in my
Speaker 3: summers in Vermont, especially when I became a teenager and
Speaker 3: a driver's license.
Speaker 8: That school area to do that.
Speaker 2: It's a wild place, dude.
Speaker 3: Vermont's got a lot of weird history, very weird history.
Speaker 3: So main there you have main there, right, and mains
Speaker 3: kind of epily spooky, right, not spooky intelligence satancies, but spooky.
Speaker 1: No, there was Like I mean, the more you know,
Speaker 1: the more subtly spooky it can be. I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's got a very We're.
Speaker 3: Talking like six hundred year old vampires firing off guns
Speaker 3: into the.
Speaker 2: Vermont.
Speaker 1: So it makes me think that there is not only
Speaker 1: was there people that were using the salem which happenstance
Speaker 1: many decades, many centuries ago now to implicate people that
Speaker 1: were totally innocent and or just healers with herbs and
Speaker 1: so forth. I also think that there were other type
Speaker 1: of people that were you know, just like light and
Speaker 1: dark magic.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I think that there was a reason for the paranoia
Speaker 1: that was certainly used and demonstrated against innocent mostly women
Speaker 1: and women too. But I think there is, you know,
Speaker 1: just something behind that in a lot of these spooky
Speaker 1: places and what was happening then, like people were running away,
Speaker 1: what were they running away from a lot of them
Speaker 1: were running away because the royals were implicating them and
Speaker 1: they were practically innocent, if not totally innocent, but some
Speaker 1: of them might have you know. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: that's how it works with all these systems, is there's
Speaker 1: your I don't want to say dupes, but people that
Speaker 1: are doing the topical storyline and then people that are
Speaker 1: on the underhanded.
Speaker 8: Side of things.
Speaker 2: Right, So I'm of the opinion and I'd like to
Speaker 2: hear your opinion. I know, I know a little bit
Speaker 2: of where Nick stands. We'd like to hear Eas stands
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: You brought the sand on witch trials, and I think
Speaker 3: that's a very integral moment in the ocult history of America,
Speaker 3: and I can get into that here after we share
Speaker 3: our thoughts. But I'm of the mindset that there was
Speaker 3: both a satanic panic if you will, for the witch trials,
Speaker 3: and some of that shit was obviously executing innocent people
Speaker 3: or folks doing orb stuff you like you're talking, And
Speaker 3: then I'm also in the mindset there's some weird shit
Speaker 3: going on there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I meant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree that there was the people that
Speaker 1: used that sentiment, if you will, as is as we
Speaker 1: can see today on different topics, not necessarily witchcraft, but
Speaker 1: there were also people that might have been doing inappropriate
Speaker 1: things that could have been whether it was entirely perceived
Speaker 1: as dark or there were some darkness to it, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe not, But I but I think there's always the
Speaker 1: gray and the white and the black, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think this is not necessarily true with magical systems,
Speaker 1: but also just societal workings.
Speaker 3: Right for sure, Nick, what were your thoughts on the
Speaker 3: sand Withstrals and know we've discussed that somewhat offline before
Speaker 3: a couple of times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I found that to be a really weird situation,
Speaker 5: and honestly, you know, it would probably be really good
Speaker 5: to talk about that with would have been wrong because
Speaker 5: like some of the things he's pointed out to you
Speaker 5: that easily of the cet er even things like I've
Speaker 5: kind of looked into after he told me, you know,
Speaker 5: things with.
Speaker 3: That well, he's a descendant of one of the first
Speaker 3: Yeah we got merged right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like he he did go into like first.
Speaker 5: So if I was always questioning, like how truthful is this? Anyway,
Speaker 5: I did think it was a lot of satanic panic
Speaker 5: for back then, like you know, Ethan and you said,
Speaker 5: I'm sure there could have been somebody doing something weird.
Speaker 5: I but though I do tend to think that maybe
Speaker 5: the more weirder or the more fucked up or sicker
Speaker 5: people were actually the one making the accusations, because I
Speaker 5: do think that they might.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're deterring the guilt from them, right, They're
Speaker 3: pointing the finger of someone else to the now one
Speaker 3: and accuses them, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then there.
Speaker 5: You know, then land's getting taken and given to people.
Speaker 5: You know, it just seems convenient. And even what Ron
Speaker 5: had said is that you will later on see down
Speaker 5: the road, if you were to follow those families, you'll
Speaker 5: see like two families that were supposedly against each other
Speaker 5: or like marrying each other.
Speaker 4: Now, so like, was was it really you know? Or
Speaker 4: is that was that? Was that some Romeo and Juliet
Speaker 4: fucking you know romance ending?
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like you make some good points, sir.
Speaker 3: There's always land grabs and mind monetary you know, measures
Speaker 3: to all these kind of things we still see today
Speaker 3: in these matters of kind of a parapolitical nature. This
Speaker 3: is late seventeenth century politics in Salem, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless it's still a pair.
Speaker 3: Of politics because obviously there's political folks involved in this.
Speaker 3: There's that's in the imaginations of what's going on there,
Speaker 3: you know, ruling that these persons of which we're going
Speaker 3: to execute them, and these kind of things. You know,
Speaker 3: this is before we have constitutional rights in America, but
Speaker 3: obviously that would be a violation of due process.
Speaker 5: Even think of it this way, if there's like some
Speaker 5: sort of like family that still is like embedded in
Speaker 5: that town. It is always going to have money coming in.
Speaker 2: I'll do you one better. Why is it we see
Speaker 2: just because of that story?
Speaker 3: No, I agree with you, but I'll do you one
Speaker 3: better as far as exhibiting what you're saying is, why
Speaker 3: do we see so many folks that were so integral
Speaker 3: in that situation on both sides of it. The accusers
Speaker 3: and the accused, their descendants are not only the the
Speaker 3: they're the pioneers and the occult in America, but they're
Speaker 3: also prominent folks in society.
Speaker 2: So Joseph miss.
Speaker 3: Grandfather, paternal grandfather, he was sorry great great grandfather, great grandfather.
Speaker 3: His paternal grandfather served in the Revolutionary War as a
Speaker 3: captain and was an original member of the Society the Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: the secret society that founded America. And I would argue
Speaker 3: Mormonism is an offshoot of that. We did that show
Speaker 3: with Heidi kind of describing some of those details. But
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying. There's all this weird occultism within
Speaker 3: these families. But it goes back to the sale on
Speaker 3: West trial seems to be a seminal moment. So you
Speaker 3: have Joseph Smith's great grandfather and his grandfather in law,
Speaker 3: so his wife's grandfather. They were both accusers of which.
Speaker 2: Is in Salem.
Speaker 3: And those witches were executed, right, So what happened to
Speaker 3: their property and their homes and stuff like that? In
Speaker 3: many cases, you know, other folks were definitely seem to
Speaker 3: be plotting for that, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then you see.
Speaker 3: Jack Parsons Old Marvel Whiteside aka Jack Parsons the Agape
Speaker 3: Lodge of Thelehman, not the founder, but apparently the head.
Speaker 3: I always thought he was the founder. I looked more
Speaker 3: into it, not the founder. I was kind of prist
Speaker 3: of that lodge, right. He later he later became the
Speaker 3: head of that lodge, but he's not the founder of
Speaker 3: that lodge.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then he and then he moved it, I think.
Speaker 2: Right, right. And then his wife ran away with a
Speaker 2: guy who was the founder, right.
Speaker 4: And then his other girlfriend ran away with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, her side yeah, her her sister, Slash his side piece,
Speaker 3: and al Ron Hubbards you know, uh, you know main
Speaker 3: squeeze he did well with whatever, Yeah, whatever weird.
Speaker 2: Sexual dynamic those four had.
Speaker 3: You know, she ran off with her, right, So, yeah,
Speaker 3: Parsons is left alone, but his fourth great grandmother Parsons
Speaker 3: was an accused witch in the sand Witch trials. So
Speaker 3: we have a guy who's at the forefront of the
Speaker 3: Lehman America, and yet his mother was seemingly I do
Speaker 3: think she was into some weird ship.
Speaker 5: You know what Parsons did actually supposedly say that he did.
Speaker 5: He did attack him with magic after that, with Marshall magic.
Speaker 3: Supposedly, I wouldn't be surprised you that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They're they're doing that that in your sleeves off.
Speaker 5: Supposedly after he ran away with his chicken ship that
Speaker 5: he so he was trying to sink his ship or
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Typical they do that stuff, don't they. That was something
Speaker 3: probably we did, right, That was something Crowley like to
Speaker 3: do though, right. He used to like to engage his
Speaker 3: opponents in some sort of mystical midnight warfare.
Speaker 2: Mystical I know he.
Speaker 4: I know he was. Basically, I don't know how true
Speaker 4: the story is.
Speaker 5: He was like walking down the street having like fucking
Speaker 5: a magical battle with some of the dude and I
Speaker 5: don't I've heard that.
Speaker 3: Sadly, I don't think there's gonna be any cocaine. Bob
Speaker 3: Evans references the night but stick around then I can't
Speaker 3: ever roll it out.
Speaker 2: So you know, what are your thoughts on this stuff? Ethan?
Speaker 2: So even the Bush family right now, they have roots
Speaker 2: in Salem, right.
Speaker 8: Wow, I didn't. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they're descended from one of the witches.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's the there the Walkers, you know, George Herbert Walker
Speaker 2: Bush one of the Walkers, one of the Walkers for
Speaker 2: others there wasn't accused, which I believe she got murdered.
Speaker 1: Dude, spoky, Well, I did know that they were East
Speaker 1: Coast establishment put long time, long time posing as Texan
Speaker 1: oil barons, good Texan good old boys, but their action
Speaker 1: right East Coast establishment for sure.
Speaker 2: For short.
Speaker 3: Did you know this lady's fore mother was also a
Speaker 3: witch in the Sand Witch trials?
Speaker 8: Yikes?
Speaker 2: And English Jessica Parker?
Speaker 1: Is she of English heritage?
Speaker 3: She's of witch heritage? She looks like one still today? Right?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 8: Is she of English heritage?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: And she's the same kind of ilk we're talking about
Speaker 3: the Society of Cincinnati, blue blood New England, Massachusetts heritage. Yes,
Speaker 3: a lot of things go back to Essex County, and
Speaker 3: specifically Salem there in Massachusetts and around the sand Witch
Speaker 3: Trials that are still relevant today, not the least of
Speaker 3: which is the actual trials.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying the people that were.
Speaker 8: There, that's really speaking.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, But so like, what are your thoughts
Speaker 3: on that as far as why why is it that,
Speaker 3: for example, Joseph Smith and we'll just take j Smith
Speaker 3: and Parsons, why is it that these folks are descended
Speaker 3: from folks in the Witch Trials? Yet they and they're
Speaker 3: the four, they're the forefront occultism in America?
Speaker 5: You know what I think is this I think and
Speaker 5: not because it's my theory, but I think this.
Speaker 2: A little theory. That's fine too, right, I think.
Speaker 5: This solidifies even more that it was a bullshit story
Speaker 5: handed to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you're like that?
Speaker 4: Did you're being fooled again? That the Nazi magic what
Speaker 4: you're speaking right?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Being mining wizardship dude.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean this, this whole establishment of the country
Speaker 1: was before excuse me, the idea of manifest destiny, which
Speaker 1: was a total, abhorrent lie to inspire people to do
Speaker 1: really nefarious activities in order to acquire resources.
Speaker 8: Essentially, but they had.
Speaker 1: Their somehow clocked into different reasoning, you know, through this
Speaker 1: perversion of idea that you know, you can just take
Speaker 1: what you want. I mean, so this country was definitely
Speaker 1: founded on that type of lie to motivate really theft
Speaker 1: from other people.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, if I may, I blame the Vatican for that,
Speaker 3: but you know, I understand what you're saying, that you
Speaker 3: make an accurate syment understaying when it comes to manifests,
Speaker 3: and that point a lot of stuff sources of Vatican
Speaker 3: on that one.
Speaker 1: No, no doubt. I was just pointing to that recent
Speaker 1: one that we can that we've long examined openly as
Speaker 1: being Okay, that's obtusely horrific. And yet of course it
Speaker 1: goes back hundreds and hundreds of years as a as
Speaker 1: a tool or.
Speaker 2: Theme in no offense to Catholics.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's a reason why America was started,
Speaker 3: and there's a reason why America did not let the
Speaker 3: Vatican in America. With the exception of those unruly bastards
Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania, the only colony that permitted the Vatican was Maryland,
Speaker 3: which they started.
Speaker 2: So go figure.
Speaker 1: It was a real trope back then with whatever reasoning,
Speaker 1: certain and maybe obscure that the Catholics were going to
Speaker 1: bring in the Jacobins, which we're going to upset the
Speaker 1: revolution against the royals.
Speaker 3: Well that's who, That's who started this country service the
Speaker 3: descendants of the Jacobhites.
Speaker 2: And the Hugots.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there wasn't it wasn't there another side to
Speaker 1: them that was, or at least maybe I guess they're
Speaker 1: the same side, different different aspects, the same group, different aspects.
Speaker 3: But I think what you're pointing at is what I
Speaker 3: call the crown history, not crayon, but crown history. Like
Speaker 3: Crown inc Any Crown of the Vatican, we live under
Speaker 3: their propaganda. So what you're pointing out is an accurate
Speaker 3: statement based upon their their narrative.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean it's uh, it's I've you said
Speaker 1: essentially this. Forgive me if I put words in your mouth,
Speaker 1: but that even though we might know the names of
Speaker 1: individuals and their occulted groups, it really comes down to
Speaker 1: not their name, but their persuasion and their action.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Something for sure, I agree with it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I've made statements to that sim and I
Speaker 3: and that's certainly is something I agree with and something
Speaker 3: necessarily I have said for for sure, because like I mean,
Speaker 3: I just judge folks by their actions, right, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? So everyone can tell me that that
Speaker 3: Andrew Couima was a governor of New York and he's
Speaker 3: a Democrat. He maybe doing Democrat National Committee activities and
Speaker 3: following their state, but the Democrat National Committee did not
Speaker 3: tell him to get these giant niple piercings. And and
Speaker 3: he's adhering to some protocols and rules that are outside
Speaker 3: the standards up DNC.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Do you see that? Where
Speaker 2: do you make that delineation? H?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean he holds the distinction to being the
Speaker 1: really one of the big political losers of COVID.
Speaker 8: I mean, hardly anyone came out.
Speaker 3: We'd like to think that in a reason world, sir,
Speaker 3: we would like to think that this man's trying to
Speaker 3: put his name in the hat for presidential run.
Speaker 8: I seen it, And yeah, with those.
Speaker 3: Nipple rings, do you want me to vote for this
Speaker 3: guy for president? Get out of town?
Speaker 2: Get out of town.
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying everyone with giant nipple piercings like
Speaker 3: this are are in a sex cult, but I would
Speaker 3: say that it's very common for folks in a sex
Speaker 3: cult to have these giant nipple piercings.
Speaker 8: That's interesting. I did not think of that, but that
Speaker 8: is interesting.
Speaker 2: Look at these bastards. Look at that.
Speaker 3: Because he's shoe off, he's like, this is this is
Speaker 3: one of his first COVID press conferences.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, everyone, check out these nips.
Speaker 8: Wow, those are huge.
Speaker 2: Why would you go to a press conference like that? Dude?
Speaker 3: What's going on in this man's life? So, the way
Speaker 3: I look at it, the Nexium cult took over the
Speaker 3: politics of the state of New York, both in Albany
Speaker 3: and on the federal level a long time ago, and
Speaker 3: in doing so, they incorporated folks like this fella and
Speaker 3: his attorney general.
Speaker 2: So he was the attorney general.
Speaker 1: Do you think the same group there are different groups
Speaker 1: might have framed the current governor of New York or
Speaker 1: was he just dumb?
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're talking my language.
Speaker 3: So this has been going on in New York for
Speaker 3: a while, because we've seen a couple governors go down
Speaker 3: like that, like Spitzer, Right.
Speaker 8: I forget what what happened with him.
Speaker 2: He was doing prostitute stuff and just like Hey man,
Speaker 2: you got bus to doing prostitute stuff, You're out of here.
Speaker 2: So but nonetheless, that madam that he was doing prostitute
Speaker 2: stuff with her prostitute, she's connected to Nextium. Go figure.
Speaker 2: So the Andrew Andrew Schneider Eric Schneider, Eric schneider Men.
Speaker 2: We'll just insert a name here, Eric Eric Sneiderman. I'll
Speaker 2: look it up. He was Cowomo's attorney general and coma
Speaker 2: he appointed Couomo appointed him the attorney general, and he
Speaker 2: became governor here.
Speaker 3: Right, So he he resigns under scandalous sexual circumstances of
Speaker 3: assault and sexual assaults and activities, women claiming some very
Speaker 3: bizarre things that he would do some weird sexual stuff
Speaker 3: to them but then make them go get his dry cleaning.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: What the media didn't report of the proper context of
Speaker 3: those complaints. The proper context of those complaints are they
Speaker 3: were part of these women had achieved the DOS rank,
Speaker 3: the DOS rank of the Naxium sex cult where they
Speaker 3: got branded and we're personal sex slaves of higher ranking
Speaker 3: individuals within the cult.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's does that sound from Mayor?
Speaker 1: I just can't believe that someone would be so pathetic
Speaker 1: as to.
Speaker 8: Join a group like that.
Speaker 1: But I understand, I guess the high power players that
Speaker 1: they're willing to format them.
Speaker 2: But like, wow, this is no small group, and this
Speaker 2: is no small group. So this is this is the.
Speaker 8: Same of people as a learning I get it.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 1: No, no, sure I should have said power Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So I would.
Speaker 3: I would assert based upon their own missions, statements, and
Speaker 3: photographs that next to them called is the evolution of
Speaker 3: the Albany Chapter of the Processed Church of the Final Judgment.
Speaker 3: For example, their Harvard thought, Harvard grad thought leader William
Speaker 3: Simms Bainbridge, likely a member of the Society of the Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: descended from William Bainbridge, the Admiral, And there were Wars
Speaker 3: of seventeen seventy six, and you know he uh he
Speaker 3: old William Simms Bainbridge. Damn, I forgot where I was
Speaker 3: going with that. When I went I got on a
Speaker 3: Society of Cincinnati. Tangent my brain hole there, and I
Speaker 3: lost where I was going with Bainbridge.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: He infiltrated the He infiltrates the process. In nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: two to write this book about this sex colt in
Speaker 2: which he did write a book, but then he's photographed
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy eight. On his own website, he posted
Speaker 2: this and the photographs mentioned listed the album E chapter
Speaker 2: of the Process nineteen seventy eight. Well, how is that possible?
Speaker 3: According to Netflix documentaries, the Process ended in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 4: So I heard that.
Speaker 5: I was like, isn't that after they were supposed leaving
Speaker 5: them exactly?
Speaker 3: So this is on the dude's own website, right, he
Speaker 3: runs a Process Facebook group. What a boomer anyway? He Uh,
Speaker 3: that's where this photo comes from anyhow. So he's in it,
Speaker 3: and he's they're all dressed in black. You know, it's
Speaker 3: again years after they're supposed to exist anyhow. So if
Speaker 3: you have Anxium, which is confirmed an offshoot of Scientology,
Speaker 3: you have the Process Albany Chapter, a confirmed offtion of Scientology,
Speaker 3: and they're both operating in Albany, and there's not a
Speaker 3: turf war for membership or activities. Well, then I'll tell
Speaker 3: you one thing that I've concluded is that nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: eight group that existed well after the alleged disbandment of
Speaker 3: the Processed Church, well, they evolved in what is known
Speaker 3: as the Nexium Culty.
Speaker 8: In my opinion, the names may change, but the games
Speaker 8: remain the same.
Speaker 3: Precisely because they're still using that same E meter, except
Speaker 3: for the process calls it the peace coope, and Nexium
Speaker 3: was using that as well, so that scientology E meter.
Speaker 3: So Kristen Gillibrand replaces Hillary Clinton when she becomes Secretary
Speaker 3: of State.
Speaker 2: Her father was.
Speaker 3: Not only a member of the cult, he was a
Speaker 3: paid executive, and her stepmother's slash first cousin was also
Speaker 3: a member is also a member of the cult. So
Speaker 3: this is the US Center from New York and Chuck Schumer,
Speaker 3: he's got his own connections, So.
Speaker 1: A paid executive. So they have a group and they
Speaker 1: have a collective running the group that's getting paid overtly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, even hired Roger Stone to be a lobbyist
Speaker 2: at one point.
Speaker 1: Wow. Man, So they're like up and coming Heritage Foundation
Speaker 1: with with some.
Speaker 3: Of the groups some creepy ancient alien cardgio cult, scientology
Speaker 3: to Lima belief systems.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, So are you familiar with Bill Clinton?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm at least uh, you know, somewhat depth
Speaker 1: on on the breadth of all he's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just yeah, I appreciate.
Speaker 3: I was just being a smart as I appreciate the
Speaker 3: entertainment though, so his uh one of his close friends
Speaker 3: is BFFs, a fellow by the name of something Maze.
Speaker 3: I'll get back to you on it. It's not Billy.
Speaker 3: But he was the first uh black man appointed to
Speaker 3: the Arkansas Supreme Court by Bill Clinton when he was
Speaker 3: the governor. He's he's a member of the cult and
Speaker 3: he was there in house counsel. He got busted in
Speaker 3: SIRCA two thousand and nine, almost almost lost his law
Speaker 3: license or was suspended for a period of time over
Speaker 3: a racetrack casino deal that he and jay Z were doing,
Speaker 3: and they got him and jay Z got busted for
Speaker 3: some criminal dealings in that jay Z almost got busted
Speaker 3: for racketeering.
Speaker 2: Dude, I think God is both go ahead, please, yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 8: I was say sorry to interrupt you.
Speaker 2: No, please go ahead.
Speaker 3: I'll continue on all day even unless you stop me,
Speaker 3: So please go ahead.
Speaker 1: I've I know of other I believe Republicans, but probably
Speaker 1: other Democrats too that.
Speaker 8: Have only not not even one hundred.
Speaker 1: Years ago, still with the you know, just recently in
Speaker 1: the past couple of decades are scamming the tribes in
Speaker 1: one way or another on real estate ventures of sorts,
Speaker 1: and and have gotten in prison for it.
Speaker 8: It's it's so it's so frequent of an occurrence.
Speaker 2: Now and that that's is they were shaken.
Speaker 3: They were doing some similar activities, these two and again
Speaker 3: they got busted by the FEDS for it. And you know,
Speaker 3: and you know, at least they got it, got intervened
Speaker 3: by the Feds and no one got charged by this dude.
Speaker 3: I think I think he had his lawless suspended. But
Speaker 3: it's Richard Leon Mays. He was the second second Blackfelow
Speaker 3: appointed the Arkansas Supreme Court nineteen seventy nine. Richard Leon
Speaker 3: Mays is his name.
Speaker 2: He like I said, he uh, he's still alive, shipping Okay,
Speaker 2: he's old, but he he he's a member of Next
Speaker 2: to him, Bill got so when when uh? When? Right? When?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: When Kristin Gillibrand I was in DC at the time.
Speaker 3: I don't do politics, but I was surrounded by it
Speaker 3: when Kirsten Gillibrand took that role in DC as this
Speaker 3: young senator from New York US center out of nowhere
Speaker 3: right again, out of nowhere literally and her father's a
Speaker 3: paid executive in the cult. Her stepmother slash first cousin
Speaker 3: is also a member of the cult. And uh so
Speaker 3: you got the Hillary connection. And then this dude is connected.
Speaker 3: He's the council and he's so Bill's getting all sorts
Speaker 3: of heat from the press for some reason. You can
Speaker 3: look back int articles at the same time, because they
Speaker 3: got all these connections from the different angles to the
Speaker 3: next them cold. This is before next to him became
Speaker 3: this criminal enterprise to the public and publicly known this
Speaker 3: as much. But nonetheless they've both got heat for these
Speaker 3: connections at the time. So that what I'm saying is
Speaker 3: that Dan of inequity is I claim in Westchester County
Speaker 3: really has its heart in Albany.
Speaker 8: Oh Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never really been to Albany, but it just
Speaker 1: as always spooked me out for some reason.
Speaker 2: It's uh, go ahead and Nick, go ahead.
Speaker 5: That's so much of a trip up there, right for
Speaker 5: a long Islander I don't even want to think about driving.
Speaker 2: All I say, what is that about? Eight hours from
Speaker 2: Long Islanders? Yeah.
Speaker 3: So May's worked full time for Clensed ninety two presidential
Speaker 3: campaign and co chair of the Clinton Gore presidential inauguration committee.
Speaker 3: So yeah, this dude, and again he was a member
Speaker 3: of the cult. What he's doing these things? He's there,
Speaker 3: he's there in House council.
Speaker 8: It's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See when you when I look at a powerful organization
Speaker 3: that may have amaze and it certainly appears to have
Speaker 3: infiltrated politics. Looking no further. They also produced the film
Speaker 3: or the TV series Small Villain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there, and if they get to be too big,
Speaker 1: they'll make themselves more obscure and turn into a new name.
Speaker 3: They're already doing that. Thank you for being They're already
Speaker 3: doing that. So once, once we're near, he went to prison.
Speaker 3: Once Alison Mack, the actress uh turned state's evidence. Her wife,
Speaker 3: another actress by the name of Nikki Klein from Babylon five,
Speaker 3: all of these ancient alien cargo cult TV shows go figure.
Speaker 2: So she did.
Speaker 3: They basically just you know, kind of just changed her operations.
Speaker 3: They're still continuing today. They were doing mk ulture experiments
Speaker 3: in a hospital in Albany. The neurologists and cult member
Speaker 3: lost his medical license over this. That is documented. Wow,
Speaker 3: so we have mk ulture experiments going on, very strikingly
Speaker 3: similar to Ewan Cameron's in the same town, Ewan Cameron
Speaker 3: lived in Albany. This same organization is transporting children across
Speaker 3: the international lines doing child sex trafficking.
Speaker 2: As for the initial charges, not what they got later.
Speaker 3: You know, they threw out some charges from the initial
Speaker 3: indictment Alison Acturn, Alice in Acturn states evidence from nine one.
Speaker 3: If you looked at the filing that her attorney filed,
Speaker 3: she turned. They filed the standard form in which to
Speaker 3: be a narc. So there was a lot more to
Speaker 3: that tail that never got told, swept into the rug.
Speaker 3: Because if you recall that Mexican drug cartel that was
Speaker 3: doing business with the fundamental Mormons in Mexico back in
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen where a bunch of women and children got marked.
Speaker 2: Remember that one, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: Actually, those Mormon fundamentalists of the Romney le Baron compounds. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Mitten's Romney. Those women and children, those teenage women were
Speaker 3: nannies for the next team Colt, shipping women and children
Speaker 3: to and from Albany in Mexico. They had in Alps
Speaker 3: and Monterey where they were doing MKL for experiments there too.
Speaker 1: It's been my experience that uh, the real the real
Speaker 1: criminals like to network like that, Like have what these
Speaker 1: apparent different groups come together and they're both doing the
Speaker 1: same thing. In this case, it was Mormons and Mexican mafia,
Speaker 1: if you will. But broadly they looked very different and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think they would associate with each other. But
Speaker 1: when they're doing you know yet Yeah, so yeah, straight,
Speaker 1: it's straight hood. It's like gangster into bigger dimensions.
Speaker 2: Yop. Now, I totally agree with you. I have this
Speaker 2: anointed theory that all these.
Speaker 3: Ancient alien cargo colts, p and Jehovah's Witnesses, scientology, Anytholimo organization, Mormonism,
Speaker 3: et cetera, any one of these organizations next to them,
Speaker 3: they're gonna at one point in time.
Speaker 2: They're all doing these seemingly.
Speaker 3: Disparate activities and operations and organizations, but at some point
Speaker 3: in time, and they're planned operations in the future, they're
Speaker 3: gonna come together like Voltron, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: some sort of you know, hopefully they'll just blast off
Speaker 3: the planet. We don't have to deal with them anymore.
Speaker 3: But something tells me that I ain't right what they're
Speaker 3: gonna do, But only time will tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a little little clandestine additive that they
Speaker 1: can put in and help help them maybe maintain that
Speaker 1: quindestine nature that they have. What about this with your
Speaker 1: experience in Washington, DC? This is this is anecdotal, maybe,
Speaker 1: but I swear the most dangerous drivers I've ever interacted with,
Speaker 1: the most snaking drivers I've ever interacted with, was they're
Speaker 1: all in Washington, d C.
Speaker 8: Driving. Driving in DC is nuts with snakes.
Speaker 1: Everyone and everyone has uh crash and dents on their side.
Speaker 1: And not everyone, but so many. The frequency is really
Speaker 1: high because they got snaked and someone didn't see them
Speaker 1: there and someone was trying to snake them and they
Speaker 1: got wrecked into. I never seen so many cars with
Speaker 1: damage on their driver's side.
Speaker 3: You ain't kidding, sir, You ain't kidding. It was kind
Speaker 3: of a surprise, a shock to me when I first
Speaker 3: moved there. In fact, the very first day I was there. Uh,
Speaker 3: I'm bringing up a picture of the bridge to illustrate
Speaker 3: my point here. I was driving.
Speaker 2: You know, it's very busy.
Speaker 3: It was late at night, It's like eight o'clock at night,
Speaker 3: and there's not a lot of traffic.
Speaker 2: There's some traffic. I when I first moved there.
Speaker 3: I was living in Alexandria, but I have a couple
Speaker 3: you know, my family being from West Virginia, all of
Speaker 3: my aunts and uncles at some point everyone lived in
Speaker 3: and back then they all moved to d C.
Speaker 2: Right, that's where he went.
Speaker 3: You either went to like Pittsburgh, Cincinnati or d C
Speaker 3: at the time, right, like to get out West Virginian.
Speaker 3: They all all, all seven of them, at one point
Speaker 3: in time, went to went to d C. So the
Speaker 3: including my father who was stationed there.
Speaker 2: At the time. Uh.
Speaker 3: The uh, which obviously is not necessarily my choice, but
Speaker 3: I'm saying all of his siblings just happened together as well,
Speaker 3: after you know, leaving West Virginia.
Speaker 2: The uh.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So I'm driving so going to visit one of my aunts.
Speaker 3: I'm driving across the bridge and I'm just picturing this
Speaker 3: in my head because this is how shocking this was
Speaker 3: to me when I first encountered this. But going from
Speaker 3: Alexandria into Maryland on the bridge and everyone's just slowing down,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is going on? Someone's car had died
Speaker 3: literally in the middle of the two lanes on the bridge,
Speaker 3: literally right in the middle of the two dotted lines
Speaker 3: right there and they just left it. So people were
Speaker 3: having problems just even getting around it from either side
Speaker 3: because of the manner in which this person just left
Speaker 3: their fucking car in the middle of a bridge, in
Speaker 3: the middle of the lane.
Speaker 2: But that's the attitude they have. They're like, shit, it.
Speaker 3: Died, I'm out of here, and they had no other
Speaker 3: thoughts otherwise. And this is my first That was my
Speaker 3: first DC traffic jam, was trying to navigate around this
Speaker 3: car in the middle of a bridge at night when
Speaker 3: no one, you know, people can't figure it out, like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm new, what do I do? And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: drive to the left if you can't get around the right,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, driving, Yeah, driving out the wild Compared to New York.
Speaker 4: I thought the driving out there was a.
Speaker 3: Crazy Yeah, you've seen you know, you've seen a little
Speaker 3: bit of both actually New York City and the DC
Speaker 3: region's own.
Speaker 4: Yeah. DC is a weird fucking place to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's not like this is the bridge I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. It's not like you can just be like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'll just drive around like you're like you're literally
Speaker 3: like once you're on there, you're just stuck. You know
Speaker 3: what I mean, you can't like turn around. It ain't
Speaker 3: the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Like that's a real nightmare.
Speaker 2: I don't even go. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I try it to ever go hear that. But this
Speaker 3: is the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, connecting the four ninety five
Speaker 3: belt away from Maryland to Virginia. And you know, once
Speaker 3: you get in the middle of it, dude, you when
Speaker 3: you know you're just you're stuck there doing so you know,
Speaker 3: DC's that that's my first that was my first experience
Speaker 3: in DC trafficking. Well, you know, once I lived there, Right,
Speaker 3: I've been there before, but once I lived there, and
Speaker 3: it didn't get much better than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's cluster and it's just so snaky. I
Speaker 1: hate to say it's just the worst worst drivers, but yeah,
Speaker 1: New Yorkers is New York City. Everyone's going fast. They're
Speaker 1: not as snaky and crazy and unpredictable though, I think.
Speaker 1: But everyone's going fast and aggressive. But but it's a little.
Speaker 2: What's the what's the number one traffic hazard? And oh
Speaker 2: go ahead, no, I was finished. What's the number one
Speaker 2: traffic hazard? In your parts? Are mainly you help from
Speaker 2: Ethan Elk.
Speaker 1: It's so from my experience in the small town and
Speaker 1: area that I'm from, it's you know, the worst thing
Speaker 1: that might happen is you might get distracted at people
Speaker 1: that are waving at you oncoming traffic.
Speaker 8: You know, it's I mean.
Speaker 2: But it was.
Speaker 1: It was very dangerous for the youth coming up. One
Speaker 1: of the really dangerous things for young people was driving incidences.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 3: We don't have Elkin Vermont that they even I mean,
Speaker 3: we had, there's the Elkin Vermont, but they don't. They
Speaker 3: do not come near the size of the ones I
Speaker 3: encountered in Maine. Those are more like the size I've
Speaker 3: encountered in Montana. And those are those sons of bitches
Speaker 3: are huge.
Speaker 1: And there's moves too, which are you know they're obviously.
Speaker 2: Then they're even worse. I forgot about those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you encounter one, I mean, if and god forbid,
Speaker 1: your your car does, it's intense. In fact, they'll charge
Speaker 1: population in Maine.
Speaker 8: And maybe sorry, sorry I'm delaying, maybe too, what was.
Speaker 3: That we're both we're on a double I think I
Speaker 3: was just saying this moose or mean, they'll get your
Speaker 3: car right.
Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, there's no joke. Yeah, you gotta really.
Speaker 1: I think people are just so curious that they lose
Speaker 1: respective them. But no, you got to respect the moose
Speaker 1: and and especially in rutting season, they'll just take people out.
Speaker 1: But they're massive, and in recent years they've been suffering
Speaker 1: from the tick inundation so much that like they're like
Speaker 1: losing they can't even eat enough food to feed the
Speaker 1: amount of parasites on them. So it's crazy the new
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that the winters aren't killing
Speaker 1: the ticks or whatever is going on, but there used
Speaker 1: to not be any problem like that, and now like
Speaker 1: it's a problem for even like what should be one
Speaker 1: of the hardiest animals.
Speaker 2: Right, no kidding.
Speaker 3: So, as we're approached to two hours or Ethan, I
Speaker 3: want to say I appreciate your time and all this
Speaker 3: conversation you too, Nick as will sir, and uh. I
Speaker 3: guess got a couple of questions I like to remember
Speaker 3: by both y'all here, and first of all, Ethan, what
Speaker 3: i'd appreciate our conversations on the the occult rejects be
Speaker 3: probably get into your books. I appreciate your conversations on
Speaker 3: the occult rejects and sharing ideas with you there, and
Speaker 3: I know we've I commute. I don' want to communicate
Speaker 3: with probably all the occult rejects all, you know, outside
Speaker 3: of shows. But you know, you and I have exchanged
Speaker 3: a number of messages and I certainly certainly appreciate those
Speaker 3: thoughts and ideas we exchanged there as well. So you've
Speaker 3: shared with me some interesting stories. I want to want
Speaker 3: to ask you to share one of those stories of
Speaker 3: you anyone that you'd perhaps But what what's your favorite
Speaker 3: show that you've done on.
Speaker 2: The Occult Rejects that you've participated in.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great one, got you. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say, but I've been inspired by symbolic studies.
Speaker 1: I been inspired by really the input from everyone on
Speaker 1: a daily basis, and I've really enjoyed kind of hearing
Speaker 1: concepts I've never really considered or don't consider often. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: so hard to say everyone honestly, like Nick and I
Speaker 1: and Lisa and Jin did marijuana presentation, and I tried
Speaker 1: the whole time in planning this presentation was to make
Speaker 1: it as well put together and well spoken as all
Speaker 1: the occult rejects.
Speaker 2: I watched that.
Speaker 8: I just tried.
Speaker 3: About it last week, so I definitely definitely enjoyed that one.
Speaker 3: Obviously enjoyed marijuana.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that one, that one was amazing. You know what,
Speaker 5: I actually really like the four when you did that.
Speaker 5: That's actually a topic. I've thought about asking you to
Speaker 5: redo with the other people on the show, because I
Speaker 5: think that would be really great with everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm down to the specific. There's a bunch of other
Speaker 1: specifics that I'm sure I didn't get into, and I
Speaker 1: can not necessarily repeat that that by that way, So you.
Speaker 4: Know what's actually interesting?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a really foundational thought.
Speaker 4: No, go ahead, go ahead and finish.
Speaker 1: I was just saying, it's a it's a foundational thought
Speaker 1: pattern that really it's not entirely useful, but it's a
Speaker 1: fantastic base as for consideration of situations or phenomena or anything.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a great base pattern. There's all kinds
Speaker 1: of other ways to conceptualize things beyond it, but it's
Speaker 1: a it's a really fantastic way to have a concrete start.
Speaker 3: I like it, And you got a good foundation, right,
Speaker 3: I like that what you've described to me of these principles.
Speaker 2: Of this philosophy. I do I do. I do like it.
Speaker 3: I would like to participate in the future conversation on
Speaker 3: the topic. And I wasn't trying to put you on
Speaker 3: this body, and I do apologize.
Speaker 1: If you No, I don't know not at all.
Speaker 3: I agree with Benjamin Selina's here that it was there's
Speaker 3: so many tough questions, so many great topics. So it's, uh,
Speaker 3: it's a fair it's a fair assessment of the occult reason.
Speaker 1: I have definitely learned a lot of things that I
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting to learn, even different things and different facets
Speaker 1: of ways to look at things that I've conceptualized before.
Speaker 1: So it's I've been learning a lot, and and uh,
Speaker 1: interacting with all the great people.
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate it, and to that, to that, to
Speaker 3: your note and to that note there on that matter
Speaker 3: of four thoughts, I appreciate that. Pardon me, I appreciate
Speaker 3: the time I do over there on the Knebes, the Purge.
Speaker 3: Caine's a great host of enjoyed co hosting with them
Speaker 3: on these topics. We were actually over on a different
Speaker 3: channel today doing a bit of an Abbott and Costello.
Speaker 3: Ida have four routine on a True Crime with Deega channel,
Speaker 3: which I enjoyed that conversation. But to the point where
Speaker 3: I've crafting my thoughts and ideas, it's through sharing these
Speaker 3: ideas and having these discussions where I've been able to
Speaker 3: do that and the I'd have four case on King
Speaker 3: Bees the Purge and I do the same thing over
Speaker 3: there in the Cult Rejects. I've really evolved a lot
Speaker 3: of my thoughts and a lot of the conversations just
Speaker 3: not discussing my own ideas, but hearing stuff from you,
Speaker 3: Ethan and other folks that we and Nick has over
Speaker 3: there on there.
Speaker 2: So I definitely appreciate all those.
Speaker 3: All those things because again it's uh, you know, can
Speaker 3: rattle around these these thoughts and ideas in my own
Speaker 3: brain hole, but it's getting these ideas out and hearing
Speaker 3: myself and sharing ideas and hearing what they say to
Speaker 3: you know, I do. I do try to craft uh
Speaker 3: my my thoughts and ideas in a in a sharper
Speaker 3: and more digestile format.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I was trying to be as good as
Speaker 1: recent presentations.
Speaker 2: No, I think you did. You nailed it. I definitely
Speaker 2: definitely enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: Nice, nice yeah, and and as insightful the insight that
Speaker 1: the rejects are always providing these v the different topics
Speaker 1: is so great too, right to learning experience and then
Speaker 1: the different input is fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ain't you ain't kidding.
Speaker 3: And as far as again as I said, I like
Speaker 3: exchanging ideas with you, Ethan. It's helped me evolve some
Speaker 3: of my thoughts on the way I look at some
Speaker 3: things just here in the way you look at some
Speaker 3: things as well, and exchanging ideas. But I'll tell you
Speaker 3: another occult reject that I appreciate the exchange of ideas.
Speaker 3: It's really caused me to consider a few different things differently.
Speaker 3: And that's the mad scientist herself, Lisa, because she brought,
Speaker 3: you know, the whole idea of the theory of why
Speaker 3: these German shepherds, Nick and I always talk about why
Speaker 3: are these German shepherds always the victims of these you know,
Speaker 3: these rituals, And she, you know, she brought to our
Speaker 3: attention that there's an aspect within the I'm not going
Speaker 3: to do it proper, but essentially, whatever chemical they produce
Speaker 3: in the bonding elements they produce.
Speaker 2: With with their with their you know, their own or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's the highest amount of that chemical producing any dog,
Speaker 3: like oxytocin. I don't think it's oxytocin. I think it's
Speaker 3: something else, but it's something like that, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: I know that the brain that that goes along with
Speaker 5: the relationship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it had the highest volume in the blood
Speaker 3: for any dog, And you know that way that it's
Speaker 3: they're you know, they're getting more out of the blood
Speaker 3: that way, right, That's yeah, I mean, I know oxytocin.
Speaker 3: It might be oxytos I feel like she had a
Speaker 3: different description of what it was.
Speaker 2: But maybe I'm maybe I'm.
Speaker 1: Just a couple. Sometimes the chemicals that are really beneficial
Speaker 1: work in tandem, I've noticed, So it could be oxytocin
Speaker 1: in another.
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1: German shepherds are the most directly related to wool wolves.
Speaker 1: In fact, really the main difference is that they found
Speaker 1: the wolves are kind of inclined to be very independent
Speaker 1: and not listen, but they kept on finding the wolf
Speaker 1: that would listen. So they're they're super inclined to not
Speaker 1: only bond, but but really serve and and please and
Speaker 1: like be befriend. So yeah, interesting.
Speaker 3: For sure, and if I may, if I may, sure
Speaker 3: my favorite guests and show we've done there is actually
Speaker 3: a recent and we've done a lot. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of shows I've enjoyed, and they got a
Speaker 3: lot of shows I've been able to craft my thoughts
Speaker 3: and theories on from maintain alaing cargo cults to ritual murders.
Speaker 2: You know, folks who probably see that my thoughts have
Speaker 2: evolved in a lot of these subjects.
Speaker 3: Ever, over the couple last couple of years, I've been
Speaker 3: a collaborative over over with the cult rejects, which again
Speaker 3: I always appreciate that. And I'd say, but out of
Speaker 3: all those shows, again, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: great shows, a lot of great guests.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: We had Greg let On recently talking Mounds, and I'm
Speaker 3: a Mound dude, and I've been following that dude on
Speaker 3: Twister since I joined Twister, and uh, you know it's
Speaker 3: like nine nine years ago, so you know, as a
Speaker 3: pretty similar event and having a conversation.
Speaker 2: With that dude on Mounds, you know what I.
Speaker 5: Mean, that's ayes, I'm glad that happened.
Speaker 3: I recommend that shoe that was one where Gen Busted
Speaker 3: has wizard skills.
Speaker 5: Yeah he yah, know that episode is really amazing, Like
Speaker 5: I really thoroughly love that show.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. A couple of times, the really insightful nuances have
Speaker 1: really surprised me about subjects that I've read about, talked about, researched,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, some of the really nuanced, nuanced
Speaker 1: level of thinking on different things has been really interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we we all come from different places,
Speaker 3: have different experiences, and thus have different perspectives, even though
Speaker 3: they may be similar perspectives, but were similar conclusions with
Speaker 3: different perspectives in.
Speaker 4: Which to reach their even yes and go yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that's one thing I definitely appreciated about my
Speaker 3: military career was having the ability to meet so many
Speaker 3: people from so many different places, not only around the
Speaker 3: world but around the US, and having an understanding of
Speaker 3: just how different even folks around the US and places
Speaker 3: can be.
Speaker 4: You know, yo, that's really.
Speaker 2: Oh go ahead, no, please please.
Speaker 3: I was just yeah, well, I got a delay, go on,
Speaker 3: I just saw some dead air, so I was jumping,
Speaker 3: uh i.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I supervised a different Puerto Rico one time.
Speaker 3: He was on that whole Uh No, he was obviously
Speaker 3: an American, but that whole will teach you some English
Speaker 3: if you joined the military situation, he he wasn't doing
Speaker 3: too well in that program, so they went ahead and
Speaker 3: graduated from basic training the Air Force Police Academy and
Speaker 3: I get him as a young troop and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: you don't speak any English, and he's just like shaking
Speaker 3: his head, no oblow.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is gonna be weird. You know.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously I was, you know, we became friends,
Speaker 3: you know, I was. We used to go fishing. He
Speaker 3: used to laugh at me because I'm a you know,
Speaker 3: a mountain stream fisherman, not fly fishermen, fishermen, but I
Speaker 3: grew up fishing for trout in the mountains. And you know,
Speaker 3: he's he's, you know, I laugh at him because he's
Speaker 3: putting like marshmallow and corn on his on his uh
Speaker 3: for bait to go cast in the water. I might do,
Speaker 3: what are you catching with that? And it turns out
Speaker 3: he's catching a lot of big trout out of the
Speaker 3: Missouri River. So I was, you know, he taught me
Speaker 3: a thing or two. I'm just say it's it's interesting
Speaker 3: how diverse even America can be when you started learning
Speaker 3: all these different how you know, different areas of the
Speaker 3: country are culturally speaking, not just Puerto Rico, but that's
Speaker 3: a weird place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we it used to be a
Speaker 1: more powerful thing that coming together people.
Speaker 8: It's kind of been disregarded.
Speaker 1: And I had a military buddy he told me that
Speaker 1: if there was, you know, a white guy that didn't
Speaker 1: like a black guy, they would put him in with you,
Speaker 1: the brother of the group type of thing, and they
Speaker 1: would become best friends.
Speaker 3: And by quite honestly, I didn't see a lot of
Speaker 3: racism really, quite honestly in my my military career, very
Speaker 3: few and far between.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was really really condumb from either.
Speaker 2: From any side. From any side. Yeah, sure, sure, I mean,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: I got I was I'm a big used to be
Speaker 3: a big basketball player, so I got called Hitler's you know,
Speaker 3: youth by a number of times in the basketball court before.
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, like any advice, first,
Speaker 3: I've seen it from every side. But I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 3: you know, overwhelmingly, these are not the standard. These are
Speaker 3: you know, I never, I never was ever in a
Speaker 3: situation in the military. I was like, you know what
Speaker 3: these everyone around me seems racist, you know, at least outwardly.
Speaker 3: You know, I being a military police officer, you know
Speaker 3: you run into a lot of guys that are pretty racist.
Speaker 3: But you know it's, uh, you know, it's not outwardly necessarily,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. So there's not a culture of it,
Speaker 3: but you know there's obviously, you know, influences of it.
Speaker 8: Sure, sure, sure, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only time I ever saw racism real bad. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was just say, the only time I ever saw
Speaker 3: racism real bad, it was I assisted in an investigation
Speaker 3: of a uh I mean the dude, the dude should
Speaker 3: have died. I mean it was a attempted, attempted murder,
Speaker 3: but the dude, I mean, the dude barely pulled through.
Speaker 3: He was in a coma for like a month. He
Speaker 3: got beat senseless. He was a prince All Freemason and
Speaker 3: he got beat senseless by a bunch of other prince
Speaker 3: All Freemasons who crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it but.
Speaker 3: But when I say it was when I say, when
Speaker 3: I say the racism aspect was my friend my dude
Speaker 3: was the investigator for our unit, right, and I was
Speaker 3: I was just the logistics student, swat team swat team leader.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: You know, so I had nothing to do with investigations normally,
Speaker 3: but he, you know, he comes over ind my office
Speaker 3: one day. He's like, dude, I'm in ane to come
Speaker 3: sit with me on a number of interviews with folks,
Speaker 3: just just to be a presence. He's like, you don't
Speaker 3: have to participate, just sit there because they he had
Speaker 3: already done a couple of interviews and one dude literally
Speaker 3: walked out of an interview. This so he's an investigator
Speaker 3: on base, the police investigator. This dude walks out of
Speaker 3: an interview yelling racial you know, you know, savings at him,
Speaker 3: basically saying, I'm never gonna answer your asking questions if
Speaker 3: you that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: He's like, dude, this guy was three times my size.
Speaker 2: I'm like, which dude was? He's like, he tells me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I a seen him at Jim and
Speaker 3: he'd kick your ass to a big time, you know,
Speaker 3: so you know, and he's like, you know so, but
Speaker 3: like I wait to say that.
Speaker 2: People.
Speaker 3: Some folks got real heated because one dude kept saying,
Speaker 3: it's our business, not your business. And I'm like I
Speaker 3: had to actually have. That was the time I actually
Speaker 3: had to step up and say something. I'm like, well, dude,
Speaker 3: it's gonna bebout to be everyone's business because you're not
Speaker 3: getting fuck out of here until you started answer some questions,
Speaker 3: you know, because it was but there was a lot
Speaker 3: of problems answering questions, and from everything I witnessed, it
Speaker 3: was all racially motivated not wanting to answer our questions
Speaker 3: because of we were white.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But it's you know again, yeah, well they were saying
Speaker 3: their business, it's within the they whatever this dude did,
Speaker 3: we never figured. No one ever got charged, No one
Speaker 3: ever got charged because no conclusions were ever reached in
Speaker 3: the investigation because no one talked.
Speaker 2: And no one talked.
Speaker 3: One thing we could determine was he did something internally
Speaker 3: within their freemasonry system or whatever, and they don't want
Speaker 3: and us asking questions was really offensive to them. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, you do realize this is a law enforcement investigation.
Speaker 3: You are in the air force, you know, these are
Speaker 3: these aren't cops, and there are these people like work
Speaker 3: on the flight line or mechanics and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: you know, but you do realize that this it was
Speaker 3: beats to near death on an air force base.
Speaker 2: You guys are in the military, right, Let's at least
Speaker 2: pretend like it, you know. But that's really the only answer.
Speaker 8: I say, a whole different group level.
Speaker 3: Dude, they lived, Yeah, they lived in a different, different
Speaker 3: set of circumstances, bro Like they you know, with the
Speaker 3: things I was even saying to them, like they didn't
Speaker 3: really it didn't really phase them. I didn't make any threats.
Speaker 3: I just said, you're not you know, things like you're
Speaker 3: not leaving this room to answer some questions. You're already
Speaker 3: been read your rights, buddy, you know, call you know,
Speaker 3: call your attorney. You need to call an attorney.
Speaker 2: But that's all.
Speaker 3: That's all it's going down here, you know. It's I'm
Speaker 3: just explaining the reasonable circumstances that were taking. My friend
Speaker 3: had to get these interviews on a record. My dude's like,
Speaker 3: I can't get these things done. These dudes were yelling
Speaker 3: at me, the threaten to beat me up. I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, all right, I'll help you, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. But again, all of the all of the
Speaker 3: the vitriol eyewitness was racially motivated you know, in that circumstances.
Speaker 3: But again they don't like, you know, whatever Masonic decision
Speaker 3: was made there, you know, and we weren't allowed to
Speaker 3: be asking questions.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: That could go for white free masonry too, I'm sure, right,
Speaker 3: you know, and they'd probably have a similar response, it
Speaker 3: just wouldn't be as racially motivated.
Speaker 2: I'm sure. That's my own thing.
Speaker 3: That's my own experience that the military like that.
Speaker 1: That's a trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine beating the piss out of something like literally
Speaker 2: I was killing a dude and then like you know,
Speaker 2: no one, no one's all accountable for it.
Speaker 1: And maybe they were up to something outside of the group,
Speaker 1: but via the group, and who knows what they were doing.
Speaker 8: But he crossed the line, mind you.
Speaker 3: I was apprehended two months after this event, same assignment
Speaker 3: for attempted murder of uh, you know, a white fellow
Speaker 3: he uh is long story, but dude jumped out his
Speaker 3: own window of his dorms after he sliced his own
Speaker 3: wrists up with with the with the glass he broke
Speaker 3: from his mirror. This is all determined later. But he,
Speaker 3: when I say, jumped out the window. He lived on
Speaker 3: the first floor. But he did jump through the window
Speaker 3: of the first floor. He got really drunk beforehand.
Speaker 2: He's a long story.
Speaker 3: Somehow, this guy I got pegged on this that I
Speaker 3: literally got woken up in my in myit in South Korea,
Speaker 3: in my dorm asleep, and I get literally handcoffed in
Speaker 3: my bed and and and yanked out of bed. And
Speaker 3: you know, to say I threw a conniption fit later
Speaker 3: is probably an understatement, but nonetheless, like I, you know,
Speaker 3: I was blamed for these things. And uh, it turns
Speaker 3: out when the dude came to at the hospital after
Speaker 3: getting all sewed up from you know, numerous bleeding everywhere
Speaker 3: kind of thing, because they someone just saw him laying
Speaker 3: outside in the grass bleeding out, you know, like five
Speaker 3: in the morning whatever, and you know, three three in
Speaker 3: the morning. I think it was five in the morning
Speaker 3: when they got me. But you know, I didn't get
Speaker 3: the same treatment as those other guys. They really wanted
Speaker 3: to charge me for that, and I was like, I
Speaker 3: didn't do shit, you know what I mean, Like I'm
Speaker 3: just saying like there's you know, people want to say,
Speaker 3: you know, cops are on trying to do shit to
Speaker 3: you know what I was. You know, I was not.
Speaker 3: There was an hour and a half there. I don't
Speaker 3: know what the fuck was going on. They're like, do
Speaker 3: you want to make a statement, And me and my two,
Speaker 3: my two dudes that I they also pulled out of
Speaker 3: their beds and apprehended it for our same unit. We're
Speaker 3: all we're all military police officers there. They all know us.
Speaker 3: In fact, my two you know, to my two associates there,
Speaker 3: my dudes, they were you know, on the spot team
Speaker 3: with me and stuff like that. They were we were
Speaker 3: all achievers in the unit as far as uh, you know,
Speaker 3: leaders that is, you know, and uh, you know, and
Speaker 3: they're like, do you want to make a statement.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 3: That's what I wrote, real big on the on the
Speaker 3: statement and turned and I you know, obviously got yelled
Speaker 3: at later from the commander about that. But you know,
Speaker 3: that was my opinion on the matter, because again, there
Speaker 3: was no one was signing off and pulling anyone out
Speaker 3: of their beds, you know what I mean. There was
Speaker 3: all this hands off stuff and this other investigation where
Speaker 3: dudes literally beat to piss with witnesses. Right, we knew
Speaker 3: who did it from the witnesses, but all the people
Speaker 3: who did it, and they weren't talking, so you know,
Speaker 3: again it was all but it was all dropped. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: here I am, just two months later, here I am
Speaker 3: getting pulled out of my bed getting charge of attempted
Speaker 3: murder for no proof, no evidence. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, So as far as these ideas of racism go,
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, I do you know, I got
Speaker 3: treated way worse in my opinion, Yeah, it's not it's
Speaker 3: not a relevant story other than just saying like, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, sometimes I think people get lost
Speaker 3: in these concepts for saying everything is one way, right
Speaker 3: for sure, I.
Speaker 2: Apologize took us on a long tangent there.
Speaker 8: No, it's interesting.
Speaker 5: It was a good Uh, it's a good storytelling.
Speaker 2: I figured you like the figured like the Prince all
Speaker 2: Freemasonry one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it's interesting. Nobody got trouble obviously, No.
Speaker 3: Dude, they not dude, No one I do. I'm I'm so,
Speaker 3: I'm I get I'm unofficially the co investigator and this
Speaker 3: as a result of being the guy in the room
Speaker 3: and during the interviews, so I'm there when people are
Speaker 3: explaining like nothing's happening, and the base Commander's like, look,
Speaker 3: we're just gonna this. This is no one's getting charged,
Speaker 3: you know, going past et cetera. You know, there's a
Speaker 3: bunch of bunch of decisions made it the higher ranks
Speaker 3: than me obviously, But I was in the room when
Speaker 3: I was you know, the lead investigators told this, nothing's
Speaker 3: gonna come of this, and I was like, oh shit, dude.
Speaker 2: I remember staying there like, how the fuck does no
Speaker 2: one I'd been in a lot of trouble already at this.
Speaker 3: Point in my career, you know, thankfully maintaining my rank,
Speaker 3: mostly drinking related incidents of tom foolery, but you know,
Speaker 3: the uh nonetheless, like come on, like, how do you
Speaker 3: how do you just like know everyone on base knew
Speaker 3: what happened. There was like a dozen witnesses like it
Speaker 3: was a thing, you know what I mean, Like and
Speaker 3: you're just like, nope, nope, no one's getting hell accountable.
Speaker 3: Like it left a weird environment and atmosphere for a while.
Speaker 3: That's shortly there, you know, when that got out on.
Speaker 2: A four thousand, you know what I mean, no one's
Speaker 2: got their families, it's a remote No one's got their
Speaker 2: families with them, so it's a tight knit community.
Speaker 1: And everyone's kind of on their own, but together on
Speaker 1: their together. I knew anyway. I've always wondered in that sense,
Speaker 1: like that's such a gangster thing, like to get beat
Speaker 1: up and not tell, right, Like that's a really actually
Speaker 1: like enforced situation in prison. Often like you if if
Speaker 1: you know it's to a certain point, if you get
Speaker 1: into a fight and you're okay, you don't tell, and
Speaker 1: that way it doesn't happen again, or it doesn't happen
Speaker 1: more severely. And so that's the end that these Masons
Speaker 1: have it built into them to do it too.
Speaker 8: It's just it's so criminal.
Speaker 3: I had that lockdown too. There was no inclination anyone
Speaker 3: was ever going to break. In fact, the mere suggestion
Speaker 3: of us even asking a question was met with outrage
Speaker 3: right right, And that's why I had explained to it
Speaker 3: due I'm like, you do realize, dude, And this dude's
Speaker 3: a master's sergeant and I'm a staff sergeant, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you do realize dude, this end of that. We're police officers.
Speaker 3: You've been read your rights. You need to answer questions
Speaker 3: and or call an attorney. And say you're not going
Speaker 3: to answer questions, you know, contact the area defense counsel
Speaker 3: and you secure defense counsel and officially write down you're
Speaker 3: not can answer questions. At that point in time, it
Speaker 3: was simply a formality for me to help my my
Speaker 3: dude get this stuff on paper, because again there's people
Speaker 3: freaking out about it, you know people, you know. I
Speaker 3: just didn't want to see any more turmoil over and
Speaker 3: on a Lena wanted to see the matter get resolved,
Speaker 3: considering I'd read all the witness statements that later got deleted,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I was a you know what I mean, So
Speaker 2: like most of the mostly base.
Speaker 3: Didn't really know what went on there, right, much like
Speaker 3: things So when I when I see police cover ups
Speaker 3: today like the Idaho four case, I understand I have
Speaker 3: an innate understanding of how these things operate because I've
Speaker 3: seenked it. Maybe familiar with the case out of UH
Speaker 3: I won't say a lot of Maybe famber the case
Speaker 3: out of Michigan the number of years back. It was
Speaker 3: an infamous kind of case that was blowing open the media.
Speaker 3: It was a Michigan Salfridge Air National Guarden Air Force
Speaker 3: Reserve base were a handicapped fellow drove through the gate
Speaker 3: just because he got lost, and the military police officers
Speaker 3: of the gate immediately opened fire. Came a big issue
Speaker 3: in lawsuit because they marked that dude pretty quick. At
Speaker 3: least they someone trained them, well at least, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So, you know, I and I saw
Speaker 3: how that whole thing went down, and I'm just saying
Speaker 3: there's been a number of Vincent's.
Speaker 2: I personally wentness room. It's like, all right, well this
Speaker 2: is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: You know, I see how this thing's work, and you
Speaker 3: know these kind of uh you know, when I end
Speaker 3: with the Prince all freemasons. Well, I don't know who
Speaker 3: the top prints tall dude was on base. I had
Speaker 3: a couple of friends from the basketball courts and whatnot,
Speaker 3: you know, and uh, the gym that had explained to
Speaker 3: me that I just you know, at a certain point
Speaker 3: we were halfway through those investigations that I needed to
Speaker 3: just call it a day. You know, one that does
Speaker 3: is the one you just seed to call it today.
Speaker 2: J JM. I don't know what that means, Bud, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So, no one wanted any question, like the whole thing,
Speaker 3: like someone was coming the shots behind the scenes. There
Speaker 3: they you know, with it, and again they kept everyone
Speaker 3: kept their mouth shuts. The base leadership of ultimately was
Speaker 3: just like it's gotten weird for us. And you know,
Speaker 3: maybe they were white Masons. I don't know how these
Speaker 3: Mason things work, but you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I just watching all that goes down.
Speaker 3: This makes me provided me a very unique perspective on
Speaker 3: how some things get covered up, because I could see
Speaker 3: the whole base in this tiny community not know anything
Speaker 3: about the.
Speaker 8: Detailed story, understandle story.
Speaker 3: Exactly and the story they got and that was not
Speaker 3: the whole story, and they and how it affected them
Speaker 3: because again, it got weird around a four thousand person
Speaker 3: remote base because everyone knew this dude almost fucking died.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was no secret. Well and everyone, you know.
Speaker 3: A dozen people see it, they tell a dozen people,
Speaker 3: they tell a dozen people. Right suddenly the entire town knows,
Speaker 3: Like Moscow, Idaho, one morning back in November twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: when suddenly folks start texting everybody between the hours of
Speaker 3: like four and seven, Well, I assure you buy e
Speaker 3: thirty that entire time.
Speaker 2: What a fucking moon and in the same regard.
Speaker 3: They now see the the outcome of the results of
Speaker 3: that case, and I'm sure they have experienced a similar
Speaker 3: atmosphere amongst some of those townsfolk that we experienced on
Speaker 3: that base because this dude, again, you know, in the
Speaker 3: middle of the middle of the summer night, in plain
Speaker 3: view of lots of people, they had no problem picking
Speaker 3: up a huge trash can and beating the dude's skulling
Speaker 3: on the sidewalk. This is after he had had numerous
Speaker 3: broken ribs and everything else. So this is the level
Speaker 3: of they didn't give a fuck I'm talking about. Right,
Speaker 3: There was no concern of being held accountable there, but
Speaker 3: it certainly that air of lack of accountability.
Speaker 2: It hit home, I assure you, across the entire the
Speaker 2: entire base. And on that same note, dude, they try
Speaker 2: to fry me. Dude, they try to frime me.
Speaker 3: Months earlier this I broke a dude's leg in an
Speaker 3: amateur soccer match and we played. I was on the
Speaker 3: base team, I was the defensive captain, and we played
Speaker 3: in a local amateur soccer leage around Korea as well.
Speaker 3: You know, I indvertently broke a dude's leg in a
Speaker 3: clearly legal slide to nonetheless, do they try to make
Speaker 3: an international incident out of that? Meanwhile, dude's face got
Speaker 3: stomped in by a trash can and full of you,
Speaker 3: of a lot of people, and they're like, no, we're
Speaker 3: not even doing ithing about this. So you see, you
Speaker 3: understand the injustice I was seeing within this short period
Speaker 3: of time in my life. It's uh, it left a
Speaker 3: lasting impression. But I hear Nick would enjoy the Prince
Speaker 3: all Freemasonry.
Speaker 2: What are your what are your thoughts on cover ups?
Speaker 2: You used to do some p I work there in
Speaker 2: your earlier days.
Speaker 3: Even that was the one story I wanted wanted to
Speaker 3: ask you on this long tangent of trying to land
Speaker 3: this year's show, that I appreciate about you just times
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed some of your tails.
Speaker 2: You've shared about the PI times you've done. Yeah, before
Speaker 2: your days of.
Speaker 3: Being an author, philosopher or sir, you were doing some
Speaker 3: p I work in Boston. I find that very intriguing.
Speaker 1: I was inspired to get the PI experience because I
Speaker 1: wanted to be an author, you know, the next great
Speaker 1: detective novel, as I said, which I still might have
Speaker 1: in me we'll see. I guess I put off writing fiction.
Speaker 8: So much that it hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 1: Although I've written a couple of fiction works, I tend
Speaker 1: to focus on non fiction philosophy. But it was very interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are you know, it's a very you
Speaker 1: have to be a little a moral, you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of there's you're you're crossing the gray line of
Speaker 1: you know, what's right and wrong if you will, you know,
Speaker 1: But I found it was it was most frequently, at
Speaker 1: least at my level, although they did have some more
Speaker 1: you know, interesting operations and clients. The level that I
Speaker 1: dealt with was cheating spouses and insurance.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and the insurance frauds was was a big
Speaker 1: thing too. So it was it was all in all,
Speaker 1: you know, very you know, typical work that I did.
Speaker 1: It was it was interesting talking with authorities, you know,
Speaker 1: because you're you're in at least in the state I
Speaker 1: was in Massachusetts. I think the rule, I don't know
Speaker 1: how law it is, but the idea if you were
Speaker 1: a p I was that you were supposed to inform
Speaker 1: the local police that you were doing so and contracted
Speaker 1: to do so, and you would be at a certain
Speaker 1: space at a certain time, and that way, if they
Speaker 1: got any calls, they would you know, say oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll check on it early. Yeah, very you know,
Speaker 1: they were they knew what was going on. So uh,
Speaker 1: sometimes we would do that, and sometimes we wouldn't, or
Speaker 1: sometimes I was told not to rather so that that
Speaker 1: sometimes would put you in different spots to where like
Speaker 1: you're in yeah, you know, you might you know, you
Speaker 1: don't know what has occurred the last seven days, and
Speaker 1: you were told to park in the same parking spot
Speaker 1: as the last.
Speaker 8: Seven days as other twerp's doing your.
Speaker 1: Job, and you go there and they're automatically vibing, and
Speaker 1: you know, you don't realize that everyone was stressing out
Speaker 1: until you leave and there's like, you know, ten police
Speaker 1: cars down the street.
Speaker 2: Waiting for you, right.
Speaker 1: Just waiting more or less kind of waiting, you know
Speaker 1: that when you leave and giving the appearance that they're
Speaker 1: about to do something, maybe to people knowing that you're
Speaker 1: just a PI and in fact kind of kind of
Speaker 1: not not backing you up, but just letting you do
Speaker 1: your thing because you told them that you were there
Speaker 1: or explained to them that you were right.
Speaker 2: Because you've got to do that, right.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to, and and then realizing on your way
Speaker 1: out by seeing all them that every neighbor must have
Speaker 1: been talking about you, and everyone that walked by you
Speaker 1: was actually checking you.
Speaker 8: Out and not just walking by, and you know it,
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Karen's cool. Or of course you know I have.
Speaker 1: I have a kind of you know, a soft personality,
Speaker 1: unsuspecting appearance, you know. So it was you know, people
Speaker 1: weren't necessarily you know, confrontational with me.
Speaker 8: Automatic, but yeah, it was curious.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, no, I think people were you know,
Speaker 1: uh more, I didn't. I didn't fit the bill, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, they didn't think The last thing
Speaker 1: they thought was that I was a private detective more
Speaker 1: cre marijuana or something.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, it was interesting. I learned a lot.
Speaker 1: Like you said, you when when you get into a
Speaker 1: realm where there's a bunch of different people, you learn
Speaker 1: about people and how we're similar and different.
Speaker 8: I I'm I realized that we're.
Speaker 2: Kind of creepy to think about.
Speaker 3: But as your job, you're watching your you're you're analyzing,
Speaker 3: you're taking notes.
Speaker 2: I mean, you learn a lot doing these things, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, it's interesting how easy it is
Speaker 1: to tell somebody and how easy it is to observe
Speaker 1: somebody in that respect.
Speaker 8: People borderline, very very borderline.
Speaker 1: No, no, not generally unless they're really up to something right,
Speaker 1: then then.
Speaker 8: They're on right.
Speaker 3: Then they're hyper apparent right, and then that's the even
Speaker 3: easier to kind of track in some regards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I found there was a few different types of
Speaker 1: fellow PISA and there were kind of the former military guys,
Speaker 1: and there were the detective type of guys they might
Speaker 1: have had police experience, and then there was like the
Speaker 1: wild card that was total conspiratorial minded. I found that
Speaker 1: there were quite a few of those type of guys
Speaker 1: that were really knowledgeable to some nuanced things in the world,
Speaker 1: and we're also doing this private detective work.
Speaker 3: I would offer a fourth class, I like where you're
Speaker 3: at with that, and analyze these different groups. The fourth
Speaker 3: class I would call soldiers of Fortune, not you know,
Speaker 3: actual mercenaries, the folks that would subscribe to the magazine
Speaker 3: Soldiers of Fortune and then order all the gear and
Speaker 3: kit in the back of it, because then you know,
Speaker 3: it's the folks to show up with, you know, three
Speaker 3: thousand dollars worth of tat equipment, but have no tactical
Speaker 3: skills whatsoever.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, can't reload their gun, that kind
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 3: Those kind of folks, A lot of the folks that
Speaker 3: and I'm not trying to diminish their person or character,
Speaker 3: but they couldn't qualify for the military, right and then
Speaker 3: you know, then they go be a security garden oftentimes
Speaker 3: end up being PI security firms and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And it's these characters that I've found to be kind
Speaker 3: of wild cards because they think there's some sort of
Speaker 3: rambow or something like that. Little do they know they
Speaker 3: have no skill sets whatsoever.
Speaker 8: That's a that's a good observation.
Speaker 3: I have supervised a number of these characters as well
Speaker 3: in my Air Force career. Sadly, again, I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to diminish my my folks I served with, which I
Speaker 3: certainly appreciate all all the folks I served with them,
Speaker 3: just saying when you have the lowest as of AB score,
Speaker 3: the lowest qualifying score on the aptitude test which to
Speaker 3: qualify for the Air Force, you qualify for security forces,
Speaker 3: the military police and security function of the Air Force
Speaker 3: in infantry, funk kind of they do. We did haved
Speaker 3: some infantry details off of the Army Infantry training and manuals.
Speaker 2: So that was those were the core functions for the
Speaker 2: most part.
Speaker 3: But in that regard you deal with a lot of
Speaker 3: you know, jar head kind of mentality if you will,
Speaker 3: and you know lowest ASVAP score that you know, some
Speaker 3: of those same characters who do qualify for the military services,
Speaker 3: they really don't have much to offer, but you know, nonetheless,
Speaker 3: uh you know, and they are tough to get to
Speaker 3: do anything, you know what I mean, because they you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not lying, you do. There's a guy that you know,
Speaker 3: I starved with. His name was Ed's. I called him
Speaker 3: Special Ads because somehow he made staff sergeant. We were
Speaker 3: stay together in Montana. I see him again in Ohio
Speaker 3: years later, we're both staff stargeants.
Speaker 2: With this points. He was like two ranks ahead of
Speaker 2: me when I first saw him. I don't know, but he.
Speaker 3: Couldn't qualify on his weapon. I'm like, well, due, how
Speaker 3: you're gonna be a cop if you can't even how
Speaker 3: did you get here?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So they assigned him to ride around me for a
Speaker 3: few months for medial training and stuff. Have to go
Speaker 3: to the range with the dude all the time. He
Speaker 3: just couldn't get it to I don't know what was
Speaker 3: going on in the dude's life. You can't hit a
Speaker 3: target from ten years away, Bud, what's going on in life?
Speaker 3: I mean, not the circle. Just just hit a target.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So this is what I
Speaker 2: mean by no skill sets them no.
Speaker 3: Skill sets that are applicable to the circumstances in which
Speaker 3: they're trying to accomplish. Right, So I'm just saying I've
Speaker 3: met that we all thought was another. He's the last
Speaker 3: I seen to him. He was the head of security
Speaker 3: of TSA at the Dayton Airport. So it's you know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of it's kind of the people I think
Speaker 3: to go to the TSA kind of activities to these
Speaker 3: you know, same same, the same kind of components you
Speaker 3: you layed to the private investigation and security industry. I
Speaker 3: would say that TSA kind of falls with in that
Speaker 3: kind of same dynamics as well. Yeah sure, but if
Speaker 3: you if you wonder why TSA can't find anything at
Speaker 3: security checkpoints, well, I you know, at least the Dton
Speaker 3: Airport for a while. The head of security there, I
Speaker 3: mean he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
Speaker 3: from ten meters away with a pistol, dude, And what
Speaker 3: else is he gonna If you can't hit that, what's
Speaker 3: he finding any kind of baggage or you know whatnot
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. They end up discharging this too. Just
Speaker 3: he couldn't qualify for his job, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I I kind of felt bad, But it wasn't in
Speaker 3: my failures at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, again, I do, I've never seen anyone shoot
Speaker 2: so bad Jod.
Speaker 3: He'd been in longer than me and technically outranked me
Speaker 3: in time and service time and like grade in service
Speaker 3: and whatnot. So it wasn't a factor of that he'd
Speaker 3: had enough time. I mean, I don't know how he
Speaker 3: got that far, you know.
Speaker 1: And do you think you'd be able to I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not a practice well practiced shooter, but you think
Speaker 1: you'd be able to adjust your shot with more practice?
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, Dude, he couldn't. I couldn't do anything.
Speaker 2: I couldn't get him to do anything, dude.
Speaker 3: It was just I mean, at one point time I
Speaker 3: thought it was just a motivation factor, right, But then like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I really couldn't figure it out. But
Speaker 3: I felt, I honestly felt like a failure bit because
Speaker 3: I couldn't get the guy to it was the first
Speaker 3: person I could never get to right to shoot right
Speaker 3: when the first person id tught on a range, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I just the first person, I
Speaker 3: felt and accomplishing a goal of getting him to.
Speaker 2: Hit the target from nearly right in front. So it's
Speaker 2: pretty exact.
Speaker 3: I reciprocate your your sentiments analysis there on the industry
Speaker 3: of the PI industry was not an industry I really found.
Speaker 2: It wasn't for me. It wasn't for me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's a.
Speaker 1: It's it's amoral. You gotta be amoral to do it.
Speaker 1: You gotta kind of, like you said, you're following people
Speaker 1: all the time, and like maybe, you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: encounter a woman that's maybe being fraudulent on your on
Speaker 1: her insurance, but I mean, you know, maybe she's some
Speaker 1: poor lady, you know, and it's a kind of does
Speaker 1: your head in for me.
Speaker 8: It did my head in too much.
Speaker 3: No too, I totally agree with you. I understand what
Speaker 3: you're saying for sure. You know, so you worked in
Speaker 3: more of a corporate fashion, right I just worked. I
Speaker 3: had my own little operation, but I'm sure it's even
Speaker 3: kind of worse in the corporate fashion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they they had good they were pretty busy.
Speaker 1: So and and Duff must have had corporate accounts with
Speaker 1: the insurance companies. Yeah, so yeah, it was it was yeah,
Speaker 1: probably that maybe they weren't cheating. Maybe they weren't. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but like they're probably broke some of them.
Speaker 1: Some of them were just outright cheats, you know, nice
Speaker 1: house not you know, not being honest, like that's not cool.
Speaker 8: But some of them are like, you know, some poor
Speaker 8: lady in the ghetto. It's just like, oh God, like
Speaker 8: I don't want to do.
Speaker 2: This, right, No, I hear you, man, I hear you. Yeah.
Speaker 8: That was that was the last draw. That was the
Speaker 8: last draw.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to film some poor woman in this
Speaker 1: really ghetto part of Boston that was supposedly ripping off
Speaker 1: the insurance and.
Speaker 8: I was like I can't but no, no, no, she
Speaker 8: maybe had been, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just seemed to me like I just can't go
Speaker 1: around being a working for insurance companies. They're they're I know,
Speaker 1: they're awful, And maybe some of these people are too,
Speaker 1: but I know the insurance company is awful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the large way I left law enforcement,
Speaker 3: you know, any any future in law enforcement. Years back,
Speaker 3: I never really considered taking another job after the Air
Speaker 3: Force because I just didn't agree with a.
Speaker 2: Lot of the circumstances and environments. I was well aware
Speaker 2: of that by that point.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of my a lot of my
Speaker 3: latter half of my career was all administrative stuff for
Speaker 3: the most part, and managing things at headquarters and you know,
Speaker 3: another nonsense. But yeah, I just knew that wasn't for me,
Speaker 3: you know, much like you're describing how I kind of
Speaker 3: ended up through the PI world.
Speaker 2: It was wasn't for me.
Speaker 3: But I appreciate those sales, Ethan, that's fantastic. I think
Speaker 3: your skill sets are better served as the master ty
Speaker 3: chief philosopher and author there, Sir.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that, Yeah, for sure, And it's been fun to
Speaker 1: share ideas as always.
Speaker 3: Well, before I bring this in for land in here
Speaker 3: fellas and I like to pass it back over to
Speaker 3: Ethan for some any closing comments in our discussion, But Nick,
Speaker 3: I'd like to ask you, first, sir, what's your favorite
Speaker 3: occult reject show that you know, Ethan and I guess
Speaker 3: and myself has participated and he's again I definitely appreciate
Speaker 3: the team you've you've compiled over there.
Speaker 2: I think it's a very unique certain dynamic you've you've achieved.
Speaker 5: You know, with Ethan's show, it's pretty much the same
Speaker 5: answer that he said and what I said his last prison.
Speaker 5: The last one I thought was the presentation was done
Speaker 5: really good. But uh, his his one on the four.
Speaker 5: You know, I got a lot out of that myself
Speaker 5: when he first approached he came on.
Speaker 4: Uh and well actually the first one.
Speaker 5: He came on was I think was the Patriot and
Speaker 5: the other stuff in the four. I think he might
Speaker 5: have came on like the second time. I got a
Speaker 5: lot out of that, and I had even said I
Speaker 5: would like to revisit that again with other occult rejects,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, perhaps I can add one caveat. Has Ethan
Speaker 3: ever had agen the Wizards? Remember there where he's you know,
Speaker 3: to like much for Greg Little was like, uh, oh man,
Speaker 3: I just this is wild stuff. Have you do you
Speaker 3: recall an incident where Ethan's kind of left an impression
Speaker 3: like that and anything in any of these shows.
Speaker 2: I'll let you go for I do. But that's what
Speaker 2: I'm asking you.
Speaker 5: Well, I was saying the one with the four, I
Speaker 5: mean that helped me the four Yeah, yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 5: we're getting on like the whole four and thing there.
Speaker 5: Looking at it, it kind of helped me like kind
Speaker 5: of bring all the ideas that I had.
Speaker 3: And can can you rehash this as a general philosophy
Speaker 3: of those four concepts of nature?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 8: Absolutely? Well, it can kind of be.
Speaker 1: Anything in a sense, and that's partly why at first
Speaker 1: it seems too simple to be useful, but in fact
Speaker 1: it's broadly useful. But one of the ways you can
Speaker 1: look at it is the tai Chi symbol, or what
Speaker 1: we know as the yin yang. It is kind of
Speaker 1: a bad name for it because it has more than
Speaker 1: the over two parts. It's got the the two swirls,
Speaker 1: and then the two dots within the dot when it
Speaker 1: within each.
Speaker 8: Swirl is also a considered part. So there are major
Speaker 8: and minor yin and yang.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting. All of mathematics is based on the
Speaker 1: four operations of arithmetic, and really it's likely that all
Speaker 1: spheres in orbit of each other have four seasons because
Speaker 1: of this equinox and solstice naturally occurring orbit of of
Speaker 1: the spheres. Uh So for it, it really is a
Speaker 1: useful concept. Another mathematical but also philosophical way to begin
Speaker 1: to use it as an observational tool is called the
Speaker 1: tetra lima, and it is represented by A or B.
Speaker 5: Or a b or x.
Speaker 1: So this kind of is illustrated in the Hegelian dialectic
Speaker 1: of thesis, anti thesis and synthesis. Excuse my lisp, and
Speaker 1: the fourth aspect I call nlysis. But it's really an
Speaker 1: interesting formula to kind of observe many different situations and
Speaker 1: leads to the eight too, as Nick mentions here, in
Speaker 1: the sense that one sense that you have the yin
Speaker 1: yang symbol of those two main elements, but really the
Speaker 1: four parts in total, which is often depicted surrounded by
Speaker 1: the eight elements of the bagua just one one of
Speaker 1: the many iterations of this four and eight. But it's
Speaker 1: a The four is a really powerful tool. In fact,
Speaker 1: quite a bit of my book is readable online for
Speaker 1: free without having to buy it, and many.
Speaker 2: Of my artists else, so so it's uh.
Speaker 8: Matrix of four.
Speaker 1: You can find my weebly website where I share a
Speaker 1: bunch of articles and so forth.
Speaker 8: And in the book, the introduction is quite.
Speaker 1: At least gives a good idea to how one can
Speaker 1: assimilate it and integrate it and use it.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: And I have your links in the but for both
Speaker 3: of you jents and the show notes, there's been questions
Speaker 3: about some Cule reject shows and then your your links
Speaker 3: through in the show notes as well.
Speaker 8: There appreciate it. Appreciate everything.
Speaker 1: And yeah, as as an independent author, you know thing
Speaker 1: the cosmos, it's been just an honor and uh like
Speaker 1: elation to be down with you guys, and the Occult
Speaker 1: Rejects have have a crew of perceptive thinkers.
Speaker 8: Is so great. So I appreciate everything.
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate the same. And if I may share
Speaker 3: with you you recently again there was a very much
Speaker 3: conversations a couple months back we were having. It was
Speaker 3: that right after an Occult Rejects conversation, there were some
Speaker 3: nuclear weapons being discussed, and we had back and forth
Speaker 3: on some nuclear weapons stuff, and you started comparing things
Speaker 3: to ARCon. Yeah, this theory in arcons and and nukes
Speaker 3: and and uh I was I find it very uh,
Speaker 3: you know, very you know, very interesting and certainly bounced
Speaker 3: fround my brain hole for a while. So if you don't,
Speaker 3: you don't mind sharing that with us, i'd appreciate that.
Speaker 8: Sure.
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, well, I actually in the in a book
Speaker 1: I wrote called The.
Speaker 3: If I May, If I made that's that's what I
Speaker 3: would call your wizard's research. That was that would be
Speaker 3: your ethan wizard moment you got there with us.
Speaker 8: Accused. Yeah, no, I get accused of being a wizard
Speaker 8: just for the tai chi practice.
Speaker 3: But again, dropping these wild thoughts on some folks, this
Speaker 3: is you know, yeah, I had some wizardry skills.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's a really grounding practice though even though
Speaker 1: it looks like, you know, it looks like wizardry, it's
Speaker 1: very It's all about rooting and grounding with nature and
Speaker 1: the earth. And you can't do tai chi in space
Speaker 1: because there's no grounding.
Speaker 3: No, for sure, when I say wizardy, I'm just being
Speaker 3: as smart ass as far as i'm suggestions and ideas
Speaker 3: you present and the very mind uh you know, very
Speaker 3: again some concepts despite everything I've considered, nothing I had
Speaker 3: considered before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I appreciate that, man, and I get
Speaker 1: all kinds of insights.
Speaker 8: From you, and they rejects as well.
Speaker 1: The I put this idea into the Terra's letters, not Terror,
Speaker 1: but Terra like Tierta, like like Earth, and uh. The
Speaker 1: the idea of the ARCon, it literally means a governor, controller,
Speaker 1: the arc leader, but it from the Gnostics it means
Speaker 1: there's a there's a few inferences that we can gather
Speaker 1: from what the Gnostics took to be the Arcons, that
Speaker 1: they are from this solar system and do not like humans.
Speaker 1: And there I think I allegorize them as being like parasites,
Speaker 1: having a very parasitic metaphysical parasitic.
Speaker 8: Activity, right.
Speaker 1: And in fact, if you look at some of the
Speaker 1: Vein literature, they don't use the very idea of knocks
Speaker 1: of arkans rather, of course, but they do have this
Speaker 1: idea that there is a being inside of our head
Speaker 1: that is about the size of the tip of our thumb,
Speaker 1: that is controlling our actions and so forth. And of
Speaker 1: course the riddle in that is that it's actually you.
Speaker 1: The thumb is you, the head is it's all you.
Speaker 1: But the I think the suggestion in there is one
Speaker 1: of influence, whether it's physical parasite or metaphysical parasite or
Speaker 1: even parasitic.
Speaker 8: Ideas that we might hold and so forth.
Speaker 1: But the idea with arcons is that, yeah, they came
Speaker 1: to earth and don't like humans and steer us to
Speaker 1: fight each other.
Speaker 8: They don't they don't actually do anything. They're capable.
Speaker 2: What do they look like?
Speaker 1: They they're perhaps this is this is the result of
Speaker 1: an archontic infection.
Speaker 2: My character I see, ah.
Speaker 1: My, the the character in that book suggests that are
Speaker 1: there's two different main types of arcontic infection, one that
Speaker 1: makes you aggressive and fat, and the other makes you
Speaker 1: passive and skinny. So that's not necessarily true. But but
Speaker 1: the character in the book supposes this.
Speaker 8: Whether he's right or wrong is to be argued. It's
Speaker 8: more of a you know, a concept.
Speaker 1: But but I think in relation to that, I allegorize
Speaker 1: the archonic infection of the mind as similar to the
Speaker 1: physical infection of the body via toxoplasmosis gandhi. Toxoplasmosis Gandhi
Speaker 1: is a cat and rat infection. It's life cycle takes
Speaker 1: place in feline stomachs. It's really dependent on that, but
Speaker 1: it seeks out mice or rats who are influenced in behavior,
Speaker 1: and they become more of Essentially, they become risk takers,
Speaker 1: and their biggest fear becomes an attraction, and their biggest
Speaker 1: fear is the smell of cat and cat urine. And
Speaker 1: instead those are infected with toxoplasmosis, they bow to the
Speaker 1: they go, they seek out the cat.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then the life.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a possession rights.
Speaker 8: It's kind.
Speaker 1: It's a behavioral modifying parasite. And there are many of
Speaker 1: these in nature, not so many that are looked at
Speaker 1: in humans, but toxoplasmosis has been looked at. In fact,
Speaker 1: it's like the main thing a pregnant woman might be
Speaker 1: concerned with is being around cats because of toxo.
Speaker 2: What'd you call it to Gandhi?
Speaker 8: Actually, that's right, yep, yeap plasmosis. Gandhi is the Gandhi.
Speaker 8: That's a great one.
Speaker 1: This Gandhi. Yeah, this Gandhi is g O n.
Speaker 8: D I I I believe, But that is funny. I appreciate.
Speaker 4: UH.
Speaker 1: The The main aspect of its infection in humans, besides
Speaker 1: being very dangerous to the UH beings of a pregnant woman,
Speaker 1: is that it actually can cause behavioral modification in man too,
Speaker 1: and it suppresses the fear of risk taking, and it
Speaker 1: actually that the study concludes that it makes women are
Speaker 1: more attracted to people infected with toxic So like like,
Speaker 1: it's got a lot of very strange influences behavior modification
Speaker 1: on humans. And so I kind of get into this
Speaker 1: aggressive nature of people that are taken up by would
Speaker 1: be arcontic ideas and this passive nature to people that
Speaker 1: are you know, taken up by these arconic ideas, just
Speaker 1: like the cat and the rat. So that that story
Speaker 1: I juxtapose the prohibition of cannabis, the global prohibition of cannabis,
Speaker 1: and the global promotion of nuclear experiment. So it's pretty
Speaker 1: he entertaining.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I I.
Speaker 1: Explore the arcontic infection in a pretty humorous way and
Speaker 1: provocative and people are you know, the various reactions I
Speaker 1: get might go from how dare you make fiction of this?
Speaker 1: This is all true? To wait.
Speaker 8: True?
Speaker 2: So it's yep your price for a second.
Speaker 1: Did I did I.
Speaker 8: Come through there? Did I lose you?
Speaker 1: I was saying that the various reactions, the various reactions
Speaker 1: I might get very from how dare you make this
Speaker 1: into fiction?
Speaker 2: This is true?
Speaker 8: And need you know you need to put this in
Speaker 8: nonfiction all the way too.
Speaker 1: Is this real?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't think this is fiction.
Speaker 1: Is this real? So it's it's entertaining, procative kind of
Speaker 1: juxtaposition of these very global kind of situations.
Speaker 2: No, for sure, I I enjoy those.
Speaker 3: Like I said, that's a very mind it's very mind
Speaker 3: to provoking thoughts you present there in that theory.
Speaker 2: And I certainly enjoyed it myself.
Speaker 1: You know what, if I can toot my own horn,
Speaker 1: Jim Mahr's r I P. He gave me a review
Speaker 1: for the Terrorist Letters, and he communicated with me essentially
Speaker 1: the same thing. He said, Ethan, you may not be
Speaker 1: too far off this is this may be more true
Speaker 1: than fiction, essentially. So, and he and this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: he you know, not only did he research the j
Speaker 1: f K, but he did he researched the UFO phenomenon
Speaker 1: and had the best selling book on that for decades.
Speaker 3: And her politics, you know, the Nazis, the rise of
Speaker 3: the forth right. He didn't need a number of good books.
Speaker 3: I've had a lot of Jim.
Speaker 2: Exception, you should you should mention that that's a great act, lady, Ethan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exceptional researcher and a veteran. He was a veteran,
Speaker 1: which which which in the end severely impacted him.
Speaker 3: I believe yep, yep, as it does many, as it
Speaker 3: does many, and I do do slute all those folks service,
Speaker 3: even the ones I was saying earlier, may not have
Speaker 3: the mental capacity to accomplish a lot of things like
Speaker 3: cohort special ads there stop by at the local date
Speaker 3: and tsa say hello the uh No, I appreciate both
Speaker 3: your gens times. Any last statements there, Nick before we
Speaker 3: call her night here on Fridays.
Speaker 5: No check out the occult rejects, Pitch You Rumble, YouTube
Speaker 5: and all major podcasts.
Speaker 2: And Ethan Sir, any last davement before we call her in.
Speaker 1: Well, I just I love you guys. I appreciate being
Speaker 1: included in such perceptive minds. So I just thank you
Speaker 1: again for including me and all all these wonderful things.
Speaker 1: I just saw a note from Headless. He says Jim
Speaker 1: Myers was a scientologist.
Speaker 2: That's correct.
Speaker 1: So there you go. This is always there's always a
Speaker 1: cult reject that knows knows more.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I appreciate both your gens Times and
Speaker 3: the folks of the interwebs as well. Hope you enjoyed
Speaker 3: the Fridays and Ethan will certainly have you back in
Speaker 3: the future. And I look forward to future occult reject shows.
Speaker 3: And folks of the internwebs want to check out tales
Speaker 3: of my old soccer turned multi state homicidal maniac, serial killer, hypnotists,
Speaker 3: controlled maniac, perhaps my controlled assassin Buffalo Jared. Please tune
Speaker 3: into Operation GCD Sundays at a PM Eastern time. And
Speaker 3: on that note, thank you all, and thanks folks the interwebs.