WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:03.960 Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome 2 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:06.679 to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. Have a very 3 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:10.240 special guest, returning guest. His name is Chuck o'chelly. Last 4 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:13.480 name is spelled O c h E l I. If 5 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:15.560 you listen to my show, you've heard him on before. 6 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:16.600 And if you're. 7 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:20.039 Watching this on rockfinn X or Rumble, you will see 8 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:22.480 his website, the Ochil Effects, so go check that out. 9 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:26.079 Subtitle is Revelation through Conversation. He has a lot of 10 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:28.679 great shows on there, a lot of names that look familiar. 11 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:30.440 I've been on there. As a matter of fact, we 12 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:36.600 talked about the Klaine Maxwell trial, Smiley Face Killers, Global 13 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:40.399 Death Cult, won My books. But he's also Rex Huerman, 14 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:43.039 the Go Go Beach serial killer, but he's come on 15 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:47.119 my show. He's also known as the blind JFK researcher 16 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:52.200 and he's discussed all his excellent research into the JFK assassination. 17 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:54.240 He has had a lot of guests. You can probably 18 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:58.520 talk about this so called recent drop or whatever is happening, 19 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:00.759 which is another kind of topic we can talk about, 20 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:02.840 which is what's going on with the JFK files and 21 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.439 Epstein Files because we've been that. They've been in power 22 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:09.040 almost two months now, not a lot of activity, but 23 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:11.239 the topic of the thing is kind of I think 24 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.560 we're going to talk about kind of the change in 25 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:19.640 this kind of alternate media. Unfortunately, Keith Hansen passed away 26 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.040 in January. I've reposted some of his stuff, so rep 27 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.200 rest in peace. He really was kind of a mentor 28 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:29.200 to me, not really overtly, but I learned a lot 29 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:31.760 from him, and he was very generous and letting me 30 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:34.840 to repost his archives, so please people go check that out. 31 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:37.079 I think it's kind of ties into this theme is 32 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:39.519 that he's kind of this one of these early guys. 33 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:43.239 He worked at a college in Tampa and did these 34 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:47.319 kind of early discussions really at the beginning of all 35 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:50.159 this technology. I don't even think the podcast technology anywhere 36 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:52.599 what it was today or what it is today, but 37 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:55.040 doing it and putting it out and on trying to 38 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:56.840 get it out on different sites. But some of his 39 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:02.840 guests are really incredible. Some people are around just Mars 40 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:07.079 and Knowles I know is on there early and Derek Gilbert, 41 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:10.520 who's been a longtime guy in the alternate media from 42 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:14.439 a Christian perspective and so many other important names. Pee 43 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:16.879 a lot of JFK research, and that was the name 44 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:19.199 of his show, is Beyond the Grassy knowl Right, So 45 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.840 the Grassy know from Dealey Plaza. And so he was 46 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:25.879 really one of some people would I think falsely label 47 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.719 him a conspiracy research. I would put him in the 48 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:35.400 alternate media parapolitical research, I prefer that term. But so 49 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:39.280 he's left us, but he's left a great legacy. And 50 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:41.479 it's kind of like this, this is kind of there 51 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:44.759 was this kind of like ragtag mentality it used to 52 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.599 be in the alternate media that's really changed with all 53 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:51.520 the money and all these kind of new people. And 54 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:55.000 I think that I see I've kind of had this 55 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:57.879 feeling listening to others, like I heard you on I 56 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:03.080 think you were on with on Propaganda Report or with 57 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:05.400 Monica Perez or something. I heard you recently at Chuck. 58 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.439 But it's kind of a frustration in this alternate media 59 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:13.360 of this real change you see, this real monetary thing involved, 60 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.560 and also a lot of new names and a lot 61 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:19.759 of strange people, Like there's been a buzz about this 62 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:22.560 guy Ian Carroll who went on Jude Rogan and like 63 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.639 you started he's kind of like a kind of a 64 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:28.439 new Alex Jones. He was on Alex Jones, like kind 65 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.520 of a strange guy. But he's kind of just repeating 66 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:32.400 kind of other stuff that I think is out there. 67 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:35.560 I don't know if he's really at the cutting edge 68 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:37.840 or avant garde of research and things like that, but 69 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:41.080 it is an interesting environment. And Chuck's gonna talk more 70 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:43.439 about that. And Chuck has been on his show for 71 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:45.680 what twelve years now, So Chuck, welcome to the show. 72 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:48.360 And for people who don't know your background, maybe you 73 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.759 can talk about that and kind of what's going on 74 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.479 with this topic about what's going on in the new media. 75 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:58.000 Yeah, well, my background not even all that important personally, 76 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.680 real fast, Yeah, my background is not even all that 77 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:06.360 important personally. But the thing is, there's a long history 78 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.400 to this There's a long history to this media which 79 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:12.520 pre exists the Internet. We could look back at the 80 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:15.280 days when May Brussel was doing her thing in the 81 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:19.199 seventies and the eighties, we could look back at Bill Cooper. Look, 82 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:21.319 we've all got our views on this stuff. And of 83 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:24.839 course there were many local radio hosts who did some 84 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:29.279 amazing stuff, who revealed things that you couldn't get at 85 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.160 your local library, you couldn't get through your television, you 86 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:35.160 couldn't And that's great and I love that stuff and 87 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:38.319 it's all classic and wonderful. But there was also like 88 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:42.279 a renaissance in the early two thousands on the Internet 89 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:46.319 where yes, suddenly they didn't even call it podcasting, right, 90 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:50.399 It was just this audio technology became available. We were 91 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:53.240 able to maintain a broadcast, which meant that you could 92 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.120 reach the entire world really so long as they had 93 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.800 internet access. And this led to a new renaissance once 94 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:04.720 again again. But what's funny is the old patterns maintain themselves. 95 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:09.480 William and I find it interesting because you can either 96 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:12.240 be part of the fringe or you can be part 97 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.399 of the approved media, and that used to come along 98 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:19.480 with a stamp like ABC, CBS, NBC. But those dinosaur 99 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:23.480 days are long gone. We went through the cable access 100 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:28.240 and cable distribution and the age of YouTube so to speak, right, 101 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:32.120 and now almost everybody and their mother can make a podcast, 102 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.839 and I think that's great, But at the same time 103 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:39.000 we're kind of lost in this sea of strangeness where 104 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.600 people that are just capable of doing a Google search 105 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:47.079 become guests on these shows, which is fascinating. Meanwhile, people 106 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:49.519 that do hard work. And I was thinking about you, 107 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.759 especially this week, because I just ran across and I 108 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:56.800 sent you an email actually about the Happy Face Killer, 109 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:59.279 and I said to myself, this is funny because it's 110 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:03.040 almost listen of what William Ramsey's been talking about just 111 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:05.079 by name. It has nothing to do with the story, 112 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:09.079 mind you. But this presentation that they put out on uh, 113 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:11.720 I guess it's a Which platform. 114 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:12.759 Is it Oxygen? 115 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:14.000 Maybe was that Oxygen? 116 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:15.160 It might be Hulu. 117 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.360 It doesn't even matter, right, one of the streaming of 118 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:22.319 whatever's out there anymore at this point, right, lots of 119 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:27.040 streaming platforms instead of TV channels, lots of monopolies out there, 120 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:30.079 and eventually, I'm sure only five families will control all 121 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:33.519 that too, you know, just like they wind up controlling 122 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:37.000 everything else. There's basically five guys that control social media. 123 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:41.240 There's five companies that control broadcast and digital media, et cetera. 124 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.120 And eventually, yeah, there'll probably be five streamers that control 125 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:48.600 the world there too. I don't know what that is about. 126 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:51.279 Is there is there some new you know what? You 127 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.279 might have a better answer for that. Why is there 128 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.480 only like five of anything that seems to control the 129 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:00.319 entirety of an entire outlet when it comes to media. 130 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:01.560 Do you have an idea about that. 131 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:04.439 I don't know. It doesn't seem right. It seems like 132 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:07.680 an anti trust situation to me. But I think they 133 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:10.680 must have something with the government or some type of 134 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:13.920 allowance or payoffs. I mean, things are so corrupt right 135 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.680 now people cannot even comprehend. But they must have paid 136 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.519 off people to be able to aggregate all that and 137 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:26.600 just really create this appearance of multiplicity or these myriads 138 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:30.600 of things, but they're really just mono culture, same messaging 139 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.319 down all these other five platforms. But it should to me, 140 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:36.800 it should be legal, And I do think eventually you're right, 141 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:38.839 there's going to be an aggregation in this kind of 142 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.519 new media as well, like somebody will try to buy 143 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:43.680 it out or take control. It's already happening. I think 144 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:49.600 Tim Poole sold his whole outfit to somebody else, to Shapiro, 145 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:51.800 whatever his outfit is called. I forgot what it is, 146 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.360 but yeah, Daily Wire, Daily Wire bought it. So this 147 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.839 kind of centralization and this kind of like I'm gonna 148 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:01.120 stake my flag over this alternate media. I think it 149 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:02.360 is definitely going to take place. 150 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.600 Well that's been happening, right. I don't know if you 151 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:07.959 got one of these offers, but it seemed like everybody 152 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.600 I knew that had a podcast outlet a few years back, 153 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:14.759 we all got offers actually to buy our archives, to 154 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:19.199 buy our platforms, et cetera. I mean, they didn't offer 155 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:20.439 me a lot of money. It was only like one 156 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.079 hundred and twenty five thousand dollars or something, but anyway, 157 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.680 and it would be a ton of money to me personally, 158 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:30.399 but it isn't worth the entire decades worth of work 159 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:32.399 that I put in. I mean, if you average it out, 160 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.159 it's not so I didn't go for it. Plus I 161 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.840 would have to sell all my future, you know, work 162 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.440 and everything else to these people. So there were deals 163 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:44.440 that were offered to people. And we've watched this consolidation 164 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:48.480 of the broadcast media again even through radio, all these things. 165 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:51.720 And why do I bring all this up Because it 166 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:55.879 creates a landscape in which you have the approved right 167 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:59.960 outsider media and then you have the actual outsider media. 168 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.679 And the funny thing is that they're all starting to, 169 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.840 I don't know, resemble one another. We have a homogeneous, 170 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:12.080 sort of vanilla blend of agreed upon material, and I 171 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:17.159 find it fascinating that there is simultaneously a shutdown in, 172 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:20.960 you know, being able to criticize certain things. I'm telling 173 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:22.600 you you're going to be a terrorist if you have 174 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.799 anything negative to say about Israel, which you know what. 175 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:28.480 You might have your own geopolitical beliefs about it or 176 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.679 religious beliefs about it, and that's fine and dandy, but 177 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.960 I'm telling you any critique is going to be a 178 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.720 problem for you soon. And you know me, I'm not 179 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:39.519 one of these guys that, you know, let's be blunt. 180 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.840 There are people out there that want to blame everything 181 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:44.360 in the world on the Jews. Okay, this is what 182 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:46.519 it is, the Jews, the Jews. That's what they got 183 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:48.279 to say about it. I'm probably getting you in trouble 184 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:49.360 on a platform somewhere. 185 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.039 Apologies, but okay, all these platforms are fine. 186 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:54.200 Everything's fine. Good. 187 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:59.840 Criticized Israel and Jews before. I've criticized Catholics and Protestants, 188 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:04.720 So they're not special, They're not special targets. 189 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:05.279 See. 190 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.360 To me, that's the that's the idea I'm i and 191 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:11.039 I've criticized organized religion many a time. But the thing is, 192 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.320 I'm not out here to apologize about it or anything else. 193 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:17.399 I'm just taking note that this is going to be 194 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:19.759 an interesting time. If you have anything negative to say 195 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:22.360 about the state of Israel. Uh, it's going to be 196 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:24.759 an interesting time. If you have anything negative to say 197 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.399 about our man in Washington, it's going to be an 198 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:32.440 interesting time, you know. And I don't know, this does 199 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.279 not bode well for people that believe in you know, 200 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.200 free thought and freedom of expression. And I don't know 201 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.919 that thing we call the Constitution where you know, that 202 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:45.399 first amendment's pretty interesting and interlocks a lot of interesting 203 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.080 freedoms here. I mean, if you destroy the freedom of 204 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:51.720 the press by co opting it and turning it into 205 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:57.279 a homogeneous, you know, wasteland of disinformation, I mean, what's left, well, 206 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:00.600 people's personal expressions if they're all controlled by the digital 207 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:03.799 you know, control grid, which is you know, owned by 208 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:07.360 again those five billionaires or so that seem to control 209 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:10.519 all the social media platforms. Nobody knows how to write 210 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.399 a letter anymore. So what's left We're going to email 211 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:14.840 each other with real information? 212 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:16.799 I mean, is that all that's going to be permitted. 213 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:17.960 I don't know. 214 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:21.159 These are my free flowing thoughts at this point, William, 215 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:24.519 And I know it probably sounds a little crazy and 216 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.360 a little like tinfoil hat ish, but I can't help it. 217 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:28.480 I see what I. 218 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.840 See, and maybe it's just my my human being side 219 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:33.960 of me, you know, seeing pattern recognition here. 220 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:36.919 But what are your thoughts on it? I really want 221 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:37.200 to know. 222 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:40.720 I think it's interesting because we've had obviously a change 223 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:44.120 in administrations, and this new administration has given a lot 224 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.840 of talk to free speech. You advance kind of scolding 225 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:51.279 the EU about you know, breakdown speech, and it's definitely 226 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:53.919 happening in Britain, like you can't post anything. Some of 227 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:57.559 those show up on your you know, doorstep to arrest you. 228 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.879 You can't talk about the rape gangs and things like that. 229 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:05.360 But I do think it's interesting here in the because 230 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:08.360 I think people moved off, like you said, these big things, 231 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:11.600 like the censorship was super intense for me, like I 232 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.440 have my web of my YouTube channel taken down like 233 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:16.759 three or four times, one I won't get back. So 234 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.559 people went to these other kind of platforms and even 235 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.960 then it's kind of like there's pressure substack and rumble 236 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.440 and X is kind of more free. But you know, 237 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:30.360 some people are complaining about that or Twitter. But I 238 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:34.440 do think it's an interesting and how these movements often 239 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:39.320 to these other things were against that great word homogeneous 240 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:44.879 kind of milk toast news reading that used to be. 241 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:46.759 People are sick of that. They don't like it. So 242 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.360 I think there'll always be a place for shows like 243 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.879 yours and mine or people like you and me kind 244 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:55.960 of trying to parse through things. And it may just 245 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:00.639 be that wor there's just certain subjects that are lightning runs. Israel, 246 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.279 the shot, the whole COVID event. Those were two no 247 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:07.799 go things at least during the Biden administration. But it's 248 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.840 still happening in the new environment, and I think that 249 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:15.799 there isn't that. I mean, this new kind of ear 250 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.440 of transparency hasn't realized itself in the last two months, 251 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:23.519 especially with this incredibly lame kind of Epstein rollout which 252 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:25.320 happened at the White House, Like, what are your thoughts 253 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:28.399 on that? I haven't thought it was baffling and shocking 254 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:29.120 at the same time. 255 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:33.120 Yeah, I'm cracking up because you know, initially when the 256 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:36.720 executive order came out, obviously I'm known for the JFK 257 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.000 stuff a lot, and people approached me right away. And 258 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.480 I do mean people are from online to the guy 259 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:45.440 who delivers stuff to my house because obviously I'm not 260 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:47.200 allowed to go to a store anymore. I got to 261 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:49.600 have things delivered and I got bad eyesight, so I 262 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:50.120 don't drive. 263 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:51.039 It's kind of a thing. 264 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:53.279 But anyway, you know, the guy who delivers stuff to 265 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.519 my house even thoughs I'm a JFK guy, right, and 266 00:13:57.440 --> 00:13:59.440 he turns around and says to me, aren't you glad 267 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:02.279 Trump did all this stuff already and it had just 268 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:05.799 been two days after the executive order was released. What's 269 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.639 hilarious to me is that the sweeping declaration has people 270 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:13.080 convinced that something has happened. Now here's the funny part. 271 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.720 I'm not even criticizing Trump. I'm saying, hold on, everybody, 272 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.279 nothing has happened yet, and people can't get past that. 273 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:26.759 It's really interesting because they expect instant gratification from all directions. 274 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:30.039 But they'll have a little more patience, or they'll invent 275 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:35.039 the event that they want to see happen and they'll 276 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.399 say it already happened even though it hasn't. 277 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.039 It's really interesting. You know Trump already did this. No 278 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:43.240 he didn't. He put out the executive order. I read it, 279 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:43.559 did you? 280 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.120 And that's the conversation I keep having to have. No, 281 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.480 there was a forty five day limit for this, there 282 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.879 was a fifteen day limit for this. Now he has 283 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.559 gone over those you know, deadlines now and we still 284 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.440 haven't seen a lot of things materialized. Plus all of 285 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:01.519 a sudden, some somebody tells me they had three thousand 286 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:04.440 new files with the FBI, and maybe they don't now. 287 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:08.440 I guess cash Pttel hasn't quite gotten his sea legs yet. 288 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:10.960 Let's see what happens, is what I say. 289 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:14.480 And I'm not even a fan of Trump, because there 290 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:16.399 could be a lot of revelation here. There could be 291 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.879 a lot of stuff. But then again, maybe we'll just 292 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.879 get another fizzle. Because passed two administrations and one of 293 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.039 them was a guy named Trump in twenty seventeen, he 294 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:27.759 could have done nothing and let a whole bunch of 295 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:31.000 stuff that was already vetted in the nineteen nineties be 296 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:34.240 released by the assassination records of view Board. 297 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:34.519 Right. 298 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:37.799 So Trump kicked the can down the road, and the 299 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:40.320 Biden administration tried to take the can away and hide 300 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.720 it on us, you know, and say there's no candacy here. 301 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:47.600 That's what they did with the JFK file stuff so far. 302 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:51.720 The Epstein thing is even worse though, because from what 303 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:54.039 I can tell, I mean, I hate to agree with 304 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:57.240 a whole lot of other people, but you know, I 305 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.240 like being the contrarian who's got that rare piece of information. 306 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.000 But I gotta say, it looks like a whole lot 307 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.600 of nothing got released on the Epstein thing, and you know, 308 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.039 being somebody who's somewhat read into it, I gotta say 309 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.519 that's really disappointing from the people who are supposed to 310 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.679 be transparent. But then again, maybe we need to stay 311 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:19.480 tuned there as well, because that was only phase one, right, 312 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.159 I mean, I don't know. I'm trying to keep an 313 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:26.399 open mind as we're getting exactly what Steve Bannon said 314 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:31.639 we would get, which is the zone completely flooded with information, 315 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:35.519 with brand new outrage, with brand new sweeping declarations so 316 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:39.559 continuously that we would not have time to think. Now, 317 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:41.960 he said, the media wouldn't have time to catch up. 318 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:44.639 But if the media can't catch up and the people 319 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.519 can't catch up, you know, what do we got French 320 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:49.039 fries and no ketchup. 321 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:51.360 Here? We are you know? 322 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.600 And yes I'm being a little bit facetious and I'm 323 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.240 being a little bit sarcastic. But what else am I 324 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.600 supposed to do in an atmosphere where again, you can't 325 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.919 keep track of the different declarations and what has and 326 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.440 hasn't happened as we go here? Uh yeah, I think 327 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.920 he flooded the zone pretty well. I think Trump followed 328 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.319 that advice. What do you think of that? I think 329 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:15.599 it's incredible. I think that they haven't brought it out 330 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.839 like the JAFF Did you read the presidential directive right? 331 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:22.680 But apparently that JFK said you can release it at 332 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.079 your leisure or something like. There wasn't a timeframe on it. 333 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.160 It just said release what you got if you can, 334 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:30.440 Like I heard that there was a carve out in it. 335 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.079 So that's very suspicious to me. And all that stuff 336 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:37.039 like this, like fanfare, Like, I think you're right flooding 337 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:39.599 the zone. But the fanfare around the Epstein files was 338 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:42.000 built up in the alternate at least I only read 339 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:45.319 the alternate media. It was built up to a crescendo 340 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:48.119 and then it was just a big splot like I'm 341 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:50.640 familiar with the Epstein files. I read all that stuff 342 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:56.119 back in twenty eighteen. Like I read Giuffray's autobiography. I 343 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.799 know all the people she said she slept with, including Mitchell, 344 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.880 which is the whole other story. But like all those 345 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.880 documents were already out. There was an un blanked out 346 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.599 copy of the Black Book that they blacked out for 347 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.559 this folder. So people who know this know they're being bamboozled. 348 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:14.119 Like I knew I was bad. I felt bamboozled. But 349 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:17.119 something more profound is happening there in that alternate media. 350 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:20.039 Because those were all people in the alternate media. I 351 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:23.799 think that there's some questionable intel stuff going on that 352 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:26.519 the White House may not key into. If they do, 353 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:29.480 it's even darker. But I think there was an element 354 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:34.440 of that rollout that was coercive to those media people. 355 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:38.519 So the libs of Tick, Doc, d C, Draino House, 356 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:42.240 and Habit, I think they were given privileged access. Look, look, 357 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:44.279 you can come to the White House. We have this 358 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:48.480 special chairs, the comfy chair, and this cute binder, and 359 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:49.920 now you're going to go tell it to all your 360 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.279 followers that you have this huge thing. So like they're 361 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:55.400 literally walking out of the White House with this binder 362 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:57.359 showing off and really giddy and smiling. 363 00:18:57.440 --> 00:18:58.400 It was trash. 364 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.480 So either they got played they didn't admit it. But 365 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:05.680 they're also giving access, and maybe that's the real kind 366 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:09.720 of subrosa intent by the White Houses. You're going to 367 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:12.160 get access, and we're going to give out all this 368 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.839 chicken feed for the next four years, and you're going to. 369 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:16.519 Go along with it. 370 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.519 That's kind of what my thinking has becoming. That is 371 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.680 actually a scary element of the theme that you're talking about. 372 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:27.319 This is mohamajaneity that's going to actually be imposed by 373 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:29.960 the power always been imposed by the power be on 374 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.920 the new media that used to be much more byzantine 375 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.400 and bifurcated. Yeah, so that's kind of. 376 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:39.599 Like my thought, right, And here's the other thought, right, 377 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.079 if you're completely open minded, you might consider that it 378 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:45.559 is possible that this is just a way to control 379 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.960 opposition as well. You know, it does seem to me 380 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.079 as though, and I was told this by some interesting 381 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.480 people that have predictions and they're never wrong, but they 382 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:57.319 don't make a lot of predictions. They don't make a 383 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.920 lot of sweeping things. Every once in a while, you 384 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:02.960 see Gerald Celenti out there, or these guys who tell 385 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:05.359 you what's coming, and they never focus on when they 386 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:08.519 got it wrong. But it's really interesting to me because 387 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.359 you could say, maybe Trump is part of the controlling 388 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.640 the opposition paradigm. You know, maybe he's just the way 389 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:16.599 to shut everybody the hell up. Well, they do what 390 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:20.359 it is they got to do. I'm saying, it's very 391 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:22.039 weird to me that a whole lot of people who 392 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:24.200 are patriots, who believe that, you know, we should not 393 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:28.279 be controlled by the technocracy, are welcoming in the technocracy, 394 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.440 are only accepting the approved media now, are going along 395 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.079 with what is the establishment. I mean, you got to 396 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:39.000 accept that if he's got the presidency and his party 397 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.880 controls both houses and all these things are going on, 398 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:47.559 and just wait, the storm is gathering. If you're trusting 399 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:50.160 the plan, it looks like, I don't know, not a 400 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:53.599 lot it's being delivered for you, unless you're really happy 401 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:56.720