Speaker 1: Another whistleblower comes forward Just days before Trump's inauguration, Ross
Coltart reveals another UAP whistleblower on News Nation. Former Airman
Jake Barber goes public revealing he worked under non official
cover as part of an elite team of special operators
tasked with recovering crashed military aircraft and UFOs. Despite three
other special operators coming forward to vouch for Jake Barber's claims,
skeptics continued to question his story and military record. Doctor
John Blitch, a former Green Beret and Special Mission Units
Troop commander, joins us to discuss how he came to
know Jake Barber and why he believes what Jake and
his team have told him about their astounding crash retrieval activities.
Speaker 2: But is Jake Barber who he says he is?
Speaker 1: And are his allegations true?
Speaker 3: You goddamn right.
Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Matt Ford. Welcome to the Good Trouble Show.
We have a very special guest today.
Speaker 1: Former Green Beret and Special Mission Unit Troop commander, Doctor
John Blitch joins us on The Good Trouble Show for
a two part exclusive interview to discuss YOUAP whistleblower Jake Barber,
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part one of our interview with doctor John Blitch. Please
welcome Doctor John Blitch. Doctor Blitch, how are you, sir?
Speaker 3: I am loving life. Matt how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing just fine. Welcome to The Good Trouble Show.
You're your first first time here. Hopefully this is the
first of many many appearances that you'll have on our show.
We of course, have a lot of common friends. I
actually I met you through Lou Alizondo, and I'd say
we really hit it off. But I actually never asked
the story of how you connected with Lou, how you
met him?
Speaker 2: That tell us about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so well, first of all, thank you for having
me on. I'm a big fan of show, and thanks
for everything you're doing for the disclosure effort.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, like many people, I started following Lou
after his heroic disclosure effort in late twenty seventeen, I
was a professor at the Air Force Academy and started
following him then, and I ended up just you know,
being very enthusiastic about his effort. I don't throw that
word heroic around easily. I mean he put it all
on the line. So I was very impressed with that,
and then kept following him after he ended up at TTSA.
But what inspired me to actually track him down? And
that's that's a challenging thing for anybody of his background, right,
he knows how to disappear pretty well. But I was
able to track him down because I was I was
very impressed with that TV series that TTSA put together
to the Stars Academy called Unidentified. Watched every one of
those episodes, several of them more than once, but the
last episode season two, episode eight, which was the only
one that covered or had any direct activity with regards
to the abduction phenomenon. Uh, that kind of upset me.
And so I tracked him down, uh and and just
you know, did everything I could to put him on
the pedestal that he so richly deserves for his selfless
service and all the risk that he and his family
have taken on behalf of our fellow humans and Americans.
And so that's yeah, so that's how I tracked him down. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think what a lot of people really have a
difficult time wrapping their heads around is the fact that
people these you know, these folks that have come forward,
such as such as Low, such as David Grush, and
of course we have Jake Barber, now this new whistleblower
that that was on ross Coltheart's Special.
Speaker 2: You know, these these.
Speaker 1: Folks are really putting themselves on the line, you know,
putting their themselves at risk, their families at risk, all
to to you know, really kind of call out this
sort of tragedy of the American government not being straight
with the American people about the UAP issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I could not agree with you more. And I
think all of those folks would admit that they stand
on the shoulder of so many others, many shoulders that
are stacked up for the last eighty years or so.
Sergeant Major Robert o'dean a personal hero of mine. But
Kathy Martin, a lot of the researchers, Travis Walton, all
these folks coming forward and taking huge risks to their career,
to their families, their lives, and my hat is off
to all of them.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you have quite an outstanding history of serving this country.
Speaker 2: If you don't mind walk just through your.
Speaker 1: Military service before you got before you began working in
the special forces community.
Speaker 3: Okay, well let me see. So I'm a class of
nineteen eighty one from West Point, but do not be impressed.
I was a lousy student, graated the two point four
to one gpa, and I set a record for demerits
before Christmas might plead year, but two point four to
one gpa. With that background, then they put me in
charge of nuclear weapons. Go figure. H So ended up
in Germany practicing launching nuclear projectiles from West Germany into
East Germany. And I got to tell you that I
had some misgivgs about that one night in particular, gorgeous blizzard.
Post blizzard, full moon comes out, and I started really
trying to come to grips with the fact that we
were trying to kill people that never hurt me, uh
and in the far distant right in East Germany. And
then it occurred to me that we're not just killing them,
we're killing their kids. They're grandkids for decades and centuries
to go. So you're reaching not only into another country,
but you're reaching into the future with those weapons. So
I had a difficult time with that. I always really
wanted to be an astronaut, so applied. Couldn't become an
army aviator a helicopter pilot. So I submitted an inn
service transfer to the Navy I believe or not to
be goose the back seater and top gun wow, and
it was approved. I had orders. I was ready to go,
but then they were revoked in nineteen eighty six and
I was stuck at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, and was put
in charge of a Persian too missile battery. Now I
want to be very clear about that. It was a battery.
It was not a battalion. I've never been a battalion commander,
and it's a very significant distinction, because a battery is
only one hundred and twenty people one hundred and twenty soldiers.
A battalion is five hundred sous and that's commanded by
a lieutenant colonel. So I was only a captain at
the time, but it was significant in that I became
intimately familiar with the Personnel Reliability Program, which basically prevents
crazy people from getting access to nuclear weapons. So I
had to sign six slips every single morning about whether
or not, you know, if this person had was prescribed
motrin or a state of minifan, or any number of
other items, whether or not they were fit for nuclear duties.
So it was a real pinion that very tedious but
necessary obviously, But then I got kind of sick and
tired of that. In fact, the day that of my
outgoing change of command was the day that the IF
Treaty was signing. The Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty was signed
on December tenth, nineteen eighty six, and they did away
with all our missiles. So now what am I going
to do? I remember going to a classified briefing about
this hush hush rumored hostage rescue organization, and we all
had to show our credentials and be listed. It was
only at a secret level and they were recruiting, and
so I shinned up, but they turned me down. They said, well,
you know, you need to go into regular special Forces
first and then maybe reapply from there. So that's how
I ended up an sp.
Speaker 1: Got it okay, And I want to talk now, really
dig into this to the special Forces. I recently referred
to you as a Delta Force commander, and it turns
out I was actually completely wrong. So first i'd like
to apologize for that, and I would love for you
to correct correct what I said on the record. My
understanding of the Special Forces community is obviously a little
bit lacking. So why was I wrong and.
Speaker 2: How I referred to you? Please please please educate me.
Speaker 3: Well, don't worry about matth. No reason to apologize this
is it actually is factual and accurate. I think I
sent you a document, a military document that says that
I was assigned to that unit with that name. But
none of us like that. Well I shouldn't speak for everybody.
I was only there for three and a half years,
but the vast majority of US abhor that name because
it has this Hollywood flavor to it with Chuck Norris,
you know, one of my childhood heroes, you know, growing
up learning karate and all that stuff, and you know,
books by that name and so forth, and we really
don't like to have that limelight on us. We much
prefer to operate behind the scenes. And it's really an
operational necessity if you think about it, because if every
time we go rescue American hostages in a foreign country,
we beat our chests and say America to the rescue, well,
they're not going to invite us back. It's much more
important for us to give the local country credit for
that and keep our identity secret, and then everybody wins. Right,
we get our American citizens back, they get credit for
handling their own crisis, and everybody wins. And we do
the same thing with some of our conventional military units
as well. We'll give them credit and many times they
deserve the vast majority of it. So it's a real
important aspect to sort of suppress ourselves. And the other
thing that is probably the most important all is it
keeps our egos under check, right. I mean, we are hotwashes,
used to be brutal after acts. We are absolutely our
worst critics, and so we're brutal within ourselves, and that's
a really important aspect because you can't ever afford to
think that you're a badass and that you know, you're
king of the pile. There's always somebody bigger, better, stronger, tougher,
and so it's a very important aspect of that. So
we typically referred to it as the Unit, and then,
of course there was a TV show about the Unit,
so you know, we should have probably started referring to
as something else. Maybe the current guys do refer to
as something else, but that's that's what I refer to it.
And again I got a caveat all of this, Matt.
You know, my time back there was nineteen I'd left
there in nineteen ninety three, so we're what thirty forty years.
You know, it was a long time ago, and a
lot of my background there has dated. So I really
don't like to talk about that unit or any of
that stuff because there's so many more people with way
more experience than me, guys that have spent their entire
life there and done truly heroic stuff. So I never
did anything even remotely heroic. In the slightest way. I
might you know, I kept my head on one time
during one real world of plumbing. That's about it. So
that's that's kind of that aspect of it. So we
we'd like to use the term, you know, the technical
term special mission unit. That's all we are, or a
smooth And so that's what I will acknowledge that I
was a true commander in a smooth not the delta
force commander like you call them. Okay, got it, but
but realize again that is a full kernel, that's an
O six. I was an O three. I was. I
wasn't even middle manager. I was lower middle markin got it.
Speaker 1: So so what sorts of things just in a general
way special forces, uh not even specifically talking about about
the unit or your unit, but in a in a
general way folks that have no idea who special forces are.
A lot of times you hear this term a Tier
one operator through around it. I think, including myself, a
lot of us are not very clear on what that means.
Walk us sort of give us like an overview of
how that is organized. What are tier one operators? And
you know, just consider that assume that I know absolutely nothing,
which is pretty close close to being accurate about you
know what sort of thing you guys did.
Speaker 3: Well, you're very humble man. I think you know a
lot more than you say, but it's I'm trying to
put myself compassionately in your shoes and sort through all
the misinformation and other information. It's the nature of the
beast right now. So in general, when I went into
Special Forces at first and commanded those two A teams,
those detachments, our mission was to parachute or insert behind
enemy lines, either parachutes or scuba dive or whatever it is,
to get in there and then operate behind enemy lines.
The Cold War enemy line was pretty much the Iron
Curtain Soviet Union. I was in tenth group, so we
were oriented on Europe. Each Army Special Forces group is
geographically ortis a fifth group's Middle East, seventh group is
Central South American. First group is Pacific. You know, everybody
has their areas and were language trained in those areas,
and so that was the general idea. Uh jfk Uh
deserves a lot of credit for that because he envisioned this,
you know, force multiplier that we would go in with
culturally sensitive and language trained folks and organize them to
rise up against their own tyrannical authoritarian government and rather
than having our conventional forces invade, have them rise up
and we would do all we could can't to assist.
And so obviously we had a pretty intensive relationship with
intelligence services, right because they had to guide us, and
a lot of times from you've worked with them in
that role in terms of the Tier one world. That
all spun up pretty much in the aftermath of the
seventy two Munich massacre where terrorists pretty much wiped out
the Israeli Olympic team track team I think it was,
and we started realizing, wow, this new form of warfare
is rising up. And so Charlie Beckworth, who had done
a lot of work with the sas, the UK, the
British sas, Australia sas do very good, very phenomenal, you know,
top level folks. But it's a little bit different mission
because now instead of focusing on all this cultural sensitive
aspects of things, you really what you're what you're really
trying to do is surgically interdict and make sure that
that bullet goes this way instead of this way into
a hostage. And that's very very difficult, very time consuming. Uh,
and it's i think it's pretty well known now, it
wasn't back then, but there you know, back at the
you know, we had a barrel that was full of cartridges,
brass cartridges, a fifty five gallon barrel, and that represented
what one operator would shoot down range. That's the amount
of lead that a single person would put down range
in just six months of their initial operator training course.
What we call that amount of lead downrange at that
time was probably equal to what an entire company, like
one hundred and twenty troops would get. So it was
you know, we had we had more resources, but more
was demanded of us, and so because of that demand,
you know, this this tear structure was come up with.
We don't like it. I don't like it because it
has this you know, superiority flavor to it. It's not
we're not superior. It's just it's different missions with different
folks and those of us that have served on both
sides of that. Not to mentioned the Ranger Regiment probably
the world's best infantry shop troops that you've ever seen.
They have their mission as well, So it's just a
different mission. So that's that's in a nutshell. I guess
my best shot from my perspective, if.
Speaker 1: You were to sort of characterize the people that are
in the special operator community, how would you characterize them
in terms of just sort of anything like personality type,
what is important to them, anything, anything of that nature.
Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, this is just my personal opinion,
and again, there are a lot of other people with
a lot more experience than me. I spent seven years
of my twenty four years in command, and four of
those five commands was we're in special Forces. But there
are a lot of people with way more time in this.
So my perspective is that the single most distinguishing factor
for Army Special Forces is not well recognized. And I
think it boils down to a single word maturity. Because
the average Army ranger, the average and ABC, when they
come in, they can be pretty much straight up the street.
Of course, they go through intensive training, but you're you're
eighteen twenty years old somewhere in that you know, one
or two year time for it. What makes an Army
Special Forces unique at least? And then they changed and
then they kind of went back. It's a pendulum swing.
Was that we would not accept anybody until after they
have already served their first tour. So if you're eighteen,
you do three years in some other field and then
you can come apply to Special Forces and then you
go through your language training and then you go through
the SFQC and then by then you're what twenty two, right,
and so you're starting to approach the maturity. So my background,
I caught it neuroscience. My PhD was using eg on folks,
so I dabbled. I used to call myself a neuroscientist,
and then I realized, dude, that's BS right. You didn't
discover anything in you just use neuroscientific tools. So anyway,
what we know though from that community is the human
brain does not mature, fully mature until you're twenty five
as a male, twenty three as a female, and so
we really a much more mature force with all that
additional training by the time you are awarded your green
beret and you're wearing that, and then from there the
Tier one level is usually years beyond that, so we're
we have a much more mature force, never mind all
the physical training and resilience and the cognition. Now, the
second part is not well known either, and that is
that over decades of analysis are our psychologists, which is
a much higher density than the rest of the army.
The rest of the army I used to Again, all
this data is dated, but back during the Cold War,
you might have one psychologist or a counselor assigned to
like a brigade, which is fifteen hundred troops, we would
have one per sixty. So think about that. There's a
lot of cognitive assessment that goes on. And what's very
important about that is that when they administer their assessments
or their surveys or whatever you call it, you know,
we're exhausted, you know, the average person that takes an
IQ test or takes some sort of psychology test at
ten o'clock in the morning, after you've had your donut
and coffee, you know, so you can kind of figure
out what whether or not they want me to answer
B or C. There might be one or two fuzzies
in there, but you can kind of figure it out
right at ten o'clock at night. You're exhausted, you're bruised
from falling down, you know, the mountain side. You're going
to answer that accurately right the way you really feel.
And so our psychologists get a much more crisp perspective
of what's going on up in here. So that's another
advantage when when you're dealing with very, very difficult decisions.
And I wanted to point that point out this other
aspect because even though I did command a wreckie troop
or reconnaissance troop and they were comprised of snipers, I
was never a sniper. Yes, I had a long gun,
and I would train and I would shoot down range,
but I never had to make that decision Matt, where
I'm looking through this scope and there's somebody down range
and I got to decide whether or not to pull
the trigger. Now, of course, were there again a dossier.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: But but here herein lies the problem, and I'm transitioning
obviously into the issue with Jake and his team, is
the morality of that, right, the ethics, because we're presented
with this dossier, sometimes fairly thick dossier, uh, and that's
provided by the intelligence community saying that this guy are
very rare cases, this gal is a bad person, and
deadly force is wanted to eliminate them, take them off
the battlefield. So if we're surveying it, if we're performing
reconnaissance and we see this person slapping their wife around
or beating their kids or wherever it ish. Okay, then
you know I've observed it, and if I'm close enough
to hear it and hear what's going on. Again, with
their language skills and even smell, you know, those are
really critical components of making that decision. So those folks
that have to make that decision have a really difficult time.
So what really is problematic? Now as technology removes us
and gets us further and further away. Now he can't hear, now,
we can't smell. Now, we can't see him now we
well you could see him, but on a predator feed,
black and white predator feed. Oh, you're just going based
on on the intelligence that you've received. So it makes
it a very difficult challenge. So I was never a sniper.
I was a Reki troop commander. And the snipers the
really tough guys with the skill and that and the
really difficult PTSD PTSD creating decisions. Uh, those were those
were other folks.
Speaker 2: And when you say Reki troop you mean reconnaissance. True.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sorry I should have clarified that. And again
my heart goes out there, brother, because you know you
folks in the media, you're you're like I was when
I went to the Air Force cadam an Army NUG.
I just finally figured out all the acronyms that the
army uses, and now an acronym health. And what's worse,
it's kind of like learning Russian, right, because there's enough
letters in the Russian cyrillic alphabet there that are the
same letter like see in Russian is an X, and
so it's just you know, send me to learn Mandarin.
So everything's new. So this acronym hell that you're in,
I sympathize with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: So so in terms of Special Forces Tier one operators,
what sort of security clearance would you hold in those positions?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so why disparity there depending on what your background was.
So we had folks that literally would try out they
were members of the band. We had a tuba player
come through, a and s We had a we had
a cook. Matter of fact, I love the guy and
he was a phenomenal sniper by the way, tremendous shot.
And he got the code named t bone T bone
for state right for cutting the state. And he was brilliant,
great guy. So there's a lot of that jocularity obviously
that comes with they should find the same thing in
fire houses and on the police force and so forth.
But you know, the the key aspect of that is
we all have very different uh well, I shouldn't say
very different. The vast majority of folks, you know, come
for the Ranger Regiment, come from infantry backgrounds. Every now
and then you'll get somebody from kind of a way
out area like nuclear weapons. I think I'm probably one
of the only guys that ever commanded a nuclear capable
unit that ended up there at the unit. It's just
it's just so anomalous, right, So I happen to have,
uh you know, s I t K stuff all this
access that other folks didn't have. But on a on
a case by case basis, if it's needed for a
particular operation, you know, they'll do an SSBI a sense
of secret background investigation, and they'll deal up your clarents
as as needed and idanced around that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Though hopefully no, that's okay, And in most cases are
you to maintain that clearance? Is there a polygraph involved?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't want to get into that that gets
that gets kind of sensitive? Got it? Now, I may
just be dated because back during the Cold War, even
even mentioning that you had a polygraph that was kind
of sensitive stuff. So I would I would rather not
dive into that.
Speaker 2: So can I ask you what your what your code
name or a nickname was.
Speaker 3: Matt. I would get a new one just about every
month because I was such a screw, right, these guys
barely tolerated me. So my final one was Tadpole. And
and that was a derivative from because I was originally
a bulldog, because I was so stubborn. I mean, look
at that fertile slope that screened the end of it, all right,
stubborn And so they're like, you know, he's like a bulldog.
You won't let it go, you know. And then there
somebody decided, well, you know that's a little bit too macho,
so we'll start calling him bullfrog. But then there was
this tanning motion that came out and it had this
big muscle bound guy on the beach right that. So
then it was so they had to knock me down
another peg to Tadpole. And in one of my cheers,
we had a great we had a great sort of
tradition that nobody could have a macho code name. And
it really made sense tactically, right, because if you know,
we're calling on the carpet at some point down the line,
and we got to testify in front of Congress, and
there's radio transcripts and somebody says that, you know, bubbles
and porky butt stroked somebody in the head. And it
turned out that it wasn't a bad I was a
good guy. That it kind of brings a little bit
of levity to the whole situation, right, So I thought,
I thought it was a brilliant tradition. So yeah, I
had tons of them.
Speaker 1: I would imagine that there's a lot of come lottery
in the special operator community, both during active duty and
I would imagine a post active duty.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely. You know, there's something about shared risk in
my in my robotics book, I talk about risk a
lot as a form of love. Matter of fact, I
think it's the definition of love. When you accept risk
on behalf of somebody else. That is a form of love. Now,
paternal risk. You know, if if you're a mom and
you end up mis going to sound crash, I hope
maybe you can edit this out. But if you have
spit a bow and ball out of your crotch after
nine months right morning sickness, and then that thing's hanging
off of your ted sucking the life out of you.
I mean, you know it wasn't too long ago, a
couple of centuries ago, you were literally risking your life
to bring that child into into the world. So and
then you have uh, fraternal love, you know, where you
have siblings that will fight like like brothers. I you know,
you're at each other's throats, but if somebody else challenges
your brother, you're at them, right, and so you're going
to accept that risk. And even in a professional sense
right that you know, you're working for some company and
then you see somebody else that is unfairly treated and
you step in and you take the blame. Again, risk
is love. So the longer that that risk is shared,
and the more intense the conditions under which that risk
is shared, that bond gets tighter. And there's there's a
lot of literature war literature on my this this side
is the war literature. This side is the UFO literature.
There's a lot of those that that you know, military
literature that talks about how the bond between you know,
foxhold buddies is tirder than you get in marriage, and
a lot of that is due to that heightened level
of risk. So yeah, camaraderie is huge, and I think
a lot of the reason why you know, so many
of our brothers and sisters end up, you know, tempted
by suicide is because they missed that camaraderie so much.
It's so important as a source of resilience. So yeah,
that was key that that you brought that up.
Speaker 2: Thank you, No, you're and you're welcome.
Speaker 1: And I would imagine that all of you tend to
have pretty high expectations of each other to you know,
to live up to uh, you know, to what you know,
to the job you did and what you did in
serving the country.
Speaker 2: Would you say that's accurate?
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely. I already mentioned how brutal our hot loshes were,
but that you know, that's across the military, not just
the places I was aside, and you see some of this.
That's why this whole stolen balor movement is is really
getting very intensive, because you know, it's tempting when when
you have been underpaid for the risk that you have taken. Look,
you know, taxpayer dollars not only paid for my bachelor's degree,
but two master's degrees in a PhD. I was overpaid,
probably for the risks I took. But some of the
other guys, like the snipers I talked about, the assaulters,
you know, they're underpaid for the level of risk. So
it's tempting to kind of embellish a little bit. And
you know, maybe still a few more books than the
Bland story would do. So my heart goes out to
those guys. But there's still heroes regardless of theirs inaccuracies,
and maybe they took a little bit more credit than
they don't. And I'm certainly not going to get into
any of that, especially since I wasn't there for most
of that stuff. So yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: Now, tell us a bit about your post military career.
You worked at DARPA and you have quite a background
in robotics. Tell us a bit about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, after those five command tours, I was kind of
a burned out commando and the personnel folks, the personnel
center folks at the Pentagon basically told me after I
came out of the Command General Staff College that's kind
of a ticket punch on the way to becoming a general.
It's a selected school, so not everybody gets to go,
so it's a big it's a big hurdle, if you will.
And when I was there learning how to become a
staff officer for a general in the hopes that maybe
I would become a general someome day, big of that, right,
They told me that I was a burned out commando
and that I needed to take a break. I really
wanted to go right back to the You know, once
you get a taste of that, there is no higher
level job satisfaction then literally being a phone call away.
The President of United States says okay, you know, and
it trickles down through the real dealth de force commander.
By the way, that trickles down to you. The next
thing you know, you know, you're going to plane within
a few hours. Had it to God knows where to
solve some problem. Right at that level of job satisfaction
just doesn't exist anywhere else that I know. So I
was really excited to get back, but my wife was
obviously not. She was absolutely sick of it all, hated
it all, and wanted to be a civilian so we
ended up by the by the grace of the big
cheese upstairs, and some folks at the Pentagon who were
fooled by some silly IQ test somewhere that they thought
that I would be a good candidate to go to
graduate school. So you and your pack taxpayer dollars paid
for me to go get a master's degree at the
College School of Mind. So thank you for that. So
I ended up going out there to study robotics and
artificial intelligence, and and that wasn't I ended up getting
into rescue robotics, but it wasn't quite as honorable as
you might think. I wanted to be an astroan. I
was going to be an astroan. I figured, well, geez,
if I go study robots, And this is mid nineties, right, Pathfinder,
we're putting rovers on Mars. I'm like, well, I'm not
a pilot. I didn't you know I had my orders
to revoked to go to the Navy to be a
jet jockey. So maybe if I'm a robot keeyk, maybe
NASSA might be interested in that. And since we're going
to be wandering around on the moon, not on the moon,
I'm Mars, You're going to need somebody that knows how
to navigate on the land. Now, look, I was I
did some of the first testing of GPS portable GPS
is for the DoD and I'm convinced it was only
because I was lost more than anybody else. So they're like, hey,
this guy at gizmo and he makes it onto the
beach and back up to his objective. Yeah, maybe there's
something to it. So that's what I originally went to
grad school to study. And that took a serious right
hand intern after Timothy McVay blew up the Murrah Building
on Aple nineteen, nineteen ninety five, because I ended up
volunteering to go there. I had taken my flat aptitude
test to become the Navy fighter jock in that building.
Some of the people I knew almost exactly ten years ago,
ten years press. So I ended up down there and
just helping, you know, pull part of the bucket brigade.
You know, you probably saw this in the World Trades
Share as well as buckets. You know, you're just daintily
picking apart the rubble because there still could be people
in there. It's a very, very tedious, but it's also
a very surgical process and the problem in both those
instances it was a crime scene. It was considered more
of a crime scene during the Oklahoma City bombing, of course,
and so only people with security cleanses could become volunteers.
Everybody else was held outside the proven It's really unfortunate.
So anyway, I came from that, back from that, and
I was I was very emotionally affected by that, and
I decided to dive into rescue robotics. It really wasn't
a field at that point, and so that's that's where
I went, and that's that's uh, that's how I got into.
Speaker 2: Robot will And this was at DARPA.
Speaker 3: That was at the Colorado School of Mine. So here's
the thing, okay, is I'm a military student, so I
have to justify the military funding. And you know, it's
not the military's job to go rescue people after a
collapsed building. That's the fire, right, So I had to
find a three ft not just a two for a
three for because I wanted to be an astronaut. So
I had to figure an angle on that. And it
turned out that Darren Golden had just taken over as
the NAS administration with smaller, better cheaper, so little robots, right,
because I think at that time it was three thousand
dollars per bounce to put something into orbit, and so
the smaller little guys figure. So I'm like, yeah, little
robot's good for that. Little robots are also good for
sneaking up underneath arp wire and getting the sneaking their
way into an objective as part of our reconnaissance effort.
And then it turned out from Oklahoma City, the big
bunk takeaway there was, you know, these trapped victims. It's
a horrific decision for an incident commander to have to
make the decision to transition from a rescue effort into
a recovery effort. And what that means is we're going
to bring in the big cranes and bulldozers and start
removing big chunks of debris. And that there's a big
problem with that, right because if somebody's still trapped on it,
you may squash it in the process of trying to
rescue them. So it's a really challenging effort. And so
I came away with the niche there of slipping down
into that rubble and you know, with a tether towing
an air hose or a water hose or a microphone
so he can talk to the victims and tell everybody, well, oh,
hang Allen, there's still somebody alive down here, right, And
that turned out to be beneficial enough for the DoD
to kind of really get excited about it. So Special
Operations Command got excited about it because it allowed us
to look for wn D in places where people were
hiding him so us so COOM got excited about it,
and then DARPA got excited about it as sort of
maybe the potential for future technology development. So that's how
after a couple of years at SOCOM with a with
a fabulous boss. His name was Doug Brown. He was
a one star general at that time, but he ended
up rising through the ranks as he should have and
became a four star general. So from there I ended
up at DARPA. That's how I got to DARTA.
Speaker 2: Got it? Got it? Okay?
Speaker 1: So doctor Blinch, Before we get into the whole Jake
Barber thing, which is why we're primarily here, I have
to ask when you were active duty, were you, uh
number one, did you ever see any UAP, especially being
part of a nuclear in intermediate range system?
Speaker 2: No, UAPs or anything there.
Speaker 3: Let me see, I've had some interesting experiences throughout my lifetime.
But at and I just to be clear, I was
in uniform when I was at DARTA. I was a
lieutenant colonel at DARPA as a program manager, and I
retired out of DARPA. Uh And interestingly enough in that
this is this is the source of a lot of
conspiracy stuff. There are guys that that claimed that I
was part of the I was trying to cover up
evidence at Oklahoma City because I was a crazy Special
Forces major. What's a Special Forces major doing mixed in
with all these firefighters, you know? And the truth is
crazier than the seams that I had taken a service transfer,
you know, flight aptitude test there, blah blah blah. So anyway,
I was on active duty at DARK but I retired
out of active out of DARPA, and I signed out
from the Pentagon on the tenth of September two thousand
and one.
Speaker 2: Got it.
Speaker 1: And as in terms of like your your work in
the government, were you ever part of any UAP related program?
Speaker 3: Now, I was read in on a number of SAPs
special access programs. There's operational SAPs, then there's technological SAPs.
An operational SAP is obviously intended to protect that operation,
and then when the operation is wrapped up and done,
that doesn't mean you stop protecting it because it might
involve assets or people that are still undercover. Technological SAPs
tend to last longer, right because look at the be
the one seventeen, the F one seventeen. Right, that stuff
was developed back in the seventies, and we used it
in the Gulf War twenty years later with wonderful effect.
Aren't you believe we've reduced that from a two or
three year war to one hundred days and that technology
played no small world. So there are technological SAPs, there
are operational snaps. Neither of those, any of those that
I was read into, had anything to do with UAP
that I know.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's jump into the heart of the matter. Whistleblower
Jake Barber, this is you on News Nation with journalist
Ross Coulthard.
Speaker 4: Let's watch and one of his most fervent supporters is
Colonel John Blitch, a Renaissance warrior who hold a doctorate
in psychology, was a Delta Force sniper and is one
of the few men to hold doomsday in his hands,
commanding a nuclear weapons battalion. So you believe Jake Baba
is telling you absolutely there has been a cover up
lasting eighty years.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we've recovered craft.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: That was fantastic.
Speaker 1: So how did you get involved in the entire Jake
Barber story?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So, actually Dave Grush reached out to me Brusher Grush.
I mean, you know, he used to call him Dave Grush.
Now folks call him Dave Brush. He's like, call me whatever.
He's such an approachable guy. He's a wonderful man and
again a hero by any standard in my mind. But
Dave was struggling obviously after all the folks that came
after him, and he suffered horribly after that. So but
you know again even post post PTSD, right, So like
a P three PTSD, right, he wanted to encourage others
to come out, not just to benefit him. Right, It
helped him because a lot of criticism against him was, hey, look,
you didn't see a craft, you didn't see an alien.
How can you be claimings right? And so you know,
it's it's just a classic narrow minded people that can't
can't you know, embrace other information outside their their narrow
you know, soda straw. So Dave reached out to me
and said he knew some other folks who did have
firsthand knowledge, but they were very worried because of the
backlash that could be taken against them, and so he
told them that, you know, he knew a guy. Well,
he told me that they just they just needed a
little bit of leadership. They needed to hear some of
your stories and convince them that it's going to be okay, uh,
and that and that the alternative is way works. And
we see this all the time where people keep things
buttoned up for years and then on their deathbed, you know,
they come clean and and it's it's a sort of
a horrific thing. So he asked me to meet with
these guys because at least one of them was a
Tier one operator. Now I want to be very clear here,
Jake Barber never told me he was a Tier one operator.
He never claimed to be a CCT active CCT operator.
He did claim and showed me documentation that he went
through the pre training to go through the CCT pipeline.
Speaker 2: And what is and I'm sorry, what is c.
Speaker 3: CCT is combat controller. It's the air force rough equivalent
of a green beret who goes they wear a different
color beret whatever, but none of us wear it into
the woods and all those pictures of people in berets
and it's laughable because it's not a very functional headgear.
Then you get the rain off you for crying out loud.
Your booty hats are way better than that keep the
rain from falling down your net. So that's a rubbing joke.
But anyway, so they would parachute behind enemy lines and
they would essentially be air traffic controllers. Right, so if
you have five or even anything more than one aircraft
orbiting over an area to support troops on the ground,
you kind of need somebody independent of those two aircraft
to tell which one to turn right, which one to
turn left. Of course, they're going to do the best
they can to deconflict, but it's especially more especially difficult
when you have a fast mover. You know, think Maverick
coming in with a C one thirty with paratroopers coming
out step. It gets to be complicated. And then you
add a third aircraft and a four aircraft. Think of
the multi body problem right from astronomy, uh, the three
body problem right where the so it gets really complicated.
So those guys are air traffic controllers who also double
as you know, marksmen and scuba qualified, halo qualified guys
to do pretty much anything that we did, you know, variants.
It's like I said before, nobody's better than the other.
It's just different jobs. So that's what the CCT does.
And then you have pj's Power Rescue Jumpers who focus
on their medics and they focus on patching together a
down pilot and stabilizing that patient until they can get
the METAVAC, so so they're there that those are. And
then there's some JAX who are focused on calling in
artillery not artillery fire. I'm familiar with that. I used
to call in close air as well, but things change,
you get more sophisticated, and you really need somebody that
is familiar with the type of ordinance and how to
place that ordinance to guide the aircraft so that they
don't shoot friendlies. So those are the three primary specialties
within the Air Force Ground Pounder Special Tactics world. There
are also weathermen which are very very important, as we
know from the Eagle Claw in nineteen seventy nine issue
where we went into Iran to try to pull the
hostages out, et cetera. Weather played a big part in that,
with the dust onm the haboobs that really pretty much
devastated that aerial insertion mission.
Speaker 1: Okay, so David Gresh reaches out to you and says,
I've got whistleblowers with first hand knowledge in terms of
UAP craft or evil, et cetera. Did he indicate that
any of these whistleblowers were hesitant to come forward due
to what they saw had happened to Dave himself?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wow, Oh yeah, that was a prominent factor.
Speaker 2: That was.
Speaker 3: They were very worried about that.
Speaker 2: So what did you do to allay their fears?
Speaker 3: Well, you know the main You know, these are courageous
people by nature, So it wasn't like I had to
inject any courage in them. Uh. What what I wanted
to do was to inspire them and just just give
them a friendly ear. You're not crazy, you There are
are hundreds of thousand millions of us who have had
these anomalous experiences, and we we are on the verge
of being dragged, kicking and screaming, and I'll say it,
into a galactic society out there, and so I think
he just wanted them to have an open ear that
wasn't just judgmental and dismissive. And so when I told that, so,
you know, this is part of what I call corrosive
leadership that is behind this eighty year cover up.
Speaker 2: Tell us about that.
Speaker 3: It is corrosive when you compartment and you tell this
person you can't talk to this person even though they're
on the same dog on team. That breaks down the
cohesion that our military depends upon. And the Air Force
being the youngest service, you know, prior to the Space Force,
and Space Force is a derivative of the Air Force.
They really are still under the Secretary of the Air Force,
the Department of the Air Force. This compartmentation is absolutely
inherently corrosive. And so when someone comes to me, if
one of my troops came to me and reported an
anomalous activity out on an op and observation post, and
every time they did that, I berated them and treated
them like they were a criminal, and separated them and
interrogated them and tortured them. In some cases, like Terry Lovelace,
ass like Mario Woods has a number of John Burrows,
a lot of these guys were treated horribly as if
they were the terrorists. So how does that How does
that affect our military? It breaks apart of cohesion. We
need to be sympathetic and compassionate. And let's not even
talk about all of the millions of civilian experiences in Nice.
So within this this element, especially since they were all
a cohesive team, all four of them, and two of
them were verified Tier one operators, you know, I have
the validation of them. Neither Jake nor Don Paul claimed
that they were Tier one operators. They and and that's
up for them to deal with. But Fred most definitely was,
and so they just Dave wanted them to hear from
somebody at I guess a little bit higher rank. Again,
I'm middle management. I'm not a flag officer, but a
field greade officer is high enough up in the realm
to be actionable, you know, to to punish someone or
to intervene in that punishment. And so Dave felt that
I might be able to nudge them into coming forward.
Speaker 2: So tell us about when you first met them.
Speaker 1: You told me the story, and I think it is
just absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 2: This is like a straight out of a Bond movie.
Speaker 1: So so Dave, Dave, as you get in touch with
these guys, tell us about when you met them in person.
Speaker 3: Well, I would think it's more like Spies r Us
with Dan Ackroyd and Chevy Chase.
Speaker 2: But that's a great movie.
Speaker 3: So it was a fascinating experience because they wanted to
meet someplace neutral because they didn't know if I was,
you know, part of the military industrial complex is going
to take him out right, And Dave told him that
I was a Tier one guy. And again I hate
that terminology, but it is what it is. It's out there,
so I'll use it. So they were nervous about me, uh,
and I was a little bit nervous about them because
Dave gave them a little bit of background on him,
and they were worried, you know that we might have
some friendly on friendly you know, interdiction if you will,
or lethal force harm. So the original plan was that
Dave was a big guy himself. I mean, I would
not want to meet up with Dave brush and see
him angry in an alleyway. Same thing with Ross Coltart
right black belt, he's got martial arts training. He and
I both idolized Chuck Norris and They're both really big guys, right,
And so I'm the stubby, little Neanderthal. What am I
going to do? I'm might pick up a boulder and
throw it at him. So the plan was that we
were all going to meet out on the West coast
and meet aboard my sailboat and go for a sale.
And so I figured, well, if I go, if I
got Dave and Ross on my side, three against four, yeah,
it might get a little bloody, but we can probably
hand it. So it just turned out that the congressional
meetings were all spinning up in DC, so US has
to stay there nextra day. And Dave is still worried
because he's getting threats he ain't going to d C.
So I end up me alone meeting these four big dudes,
and two of them are MMA champions, and so I'm
getting a little nervous, right, and so I pick up
place and uh, it was a little warming up type
of situation, you know, trade caft, you do this public place, uh,
and you and I go through the procedure of observing
him from afar for a while, and so them approach
and I got I got to tell you the mannerisms, uh,
the cohesion it felt like I was right back on one
of my teams. I mean, we instantly jumped, but I
still have my guard up and I wanted to be careful.
And so the big breakthrough was that I felt comfortable
enough to bring him, you know, into marine, onto the boat.
But before we left the harbor and they slipped my
throat and dump me overboard for the sharks right and
sail my boat off somewhere and scuttle it right right,
I wanted to, you know, do a little bona fidi.
So basically what I told him is, hey, look, you know,
one of the things that I think is lacking in
the leadership that you guys have been under is that
that leaders pull, managers push, and so as a leader,
I'm going to take the risk first. So I laid
out three forms of identification. I showed them my passport,
I showed them my driver's license, and I showed them
my military ID. Now, any one of those you might
be able to fake, but all three of them, you know,
that's kind of difficult. And what I was looking for
was hesitation, and I was looking primary early for them
to look at each other like, oh crap, now we're screwed.
I was, I gotta tell you, man, I was ready
to dive off that boat. I thought. I thought they
were gonna, you know, wrestle me, take me down below,
sail away whatever, right, and and they were thinking the
same thing about me, right, And so it was a
really interesting stand up. But as soon there was no hesitation,
everybody but in some several of them, a couple of
them pulled out two forms of identification kind of to
match me. And so that's when all the chill everything
thawed and we went out and had a great chat.
We wanted to be you know, uh in a safe
environment that we could share stories without any chance of
being recorded. Doc Ball turned out, you know, he was
he was carrying a sidearm, and I think his job
was probably to take me up behind the ear and
he was kind of shadowing me the whole time while
I was driving a boat. You look at and very inquisitive.
He's a he's a really sharp guy. They're all very
very smart. And he was curious about, you know, the display,
the chart plotter and all the rest of this stuff
and how to do this and how to do that.
And in the back of my mind it was only
by this time it was only about a five percent worry.
But I'm thinking, you know, why is he so interested?
Is he the guy that's going to sail the boat
back after they come me over for it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's looking for a training training lesson there.
Speaker 3: Yes, So it was hilarious and then things settled down.
We had a couple of beers and everything relaxed, and
then it was then it was on.
Speaker 2: That's that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: So when Jake is telling you his story, what was
going through your mind as he's telling this to you.
Speaker 3: Well, I always look for you know, and I used
to teach my cadets to look for inconsistencies. Right. This
generation of cadets, especially Air Force cadets, are are really
in a difficult position, right because with the magic of
the Internet, you have all this information and you've got
to sort out information versus disinformation, and you've got to
go through the A one source and information to the
F six or whatever. Uh, very very difficult. And so
I was looking for inconsistencies across all of it. Didn't
find it, didn't find any inconsistencies. Everything would track. Now.
Of course, one of the things that that was an
anomaly to me is Wait a minute, why would why
would they? Why would the Air Force spend all this
money to put this guy through pre CCT training. I
mean that's four months, that's that's a that's an investment. Yeah,
that's not Yeah, why did you do that and that
and then not send to CCT school, Right, that's kind
of weird. And then why why give them such a
such a a sort of unrelated john as an aircraft
mchann And so all of this is in a lot
of the scuttle butt that you send me. I try
to ignore it. I've been coached about this for quite
a while. Lou coached me, honest, Dave coached me on Look,
just youve got to ignore the naysayers and the ridiculous skeptics. Now,
there's there's a difference between healthy skepticism scientific skepticism, which
is should not only be tolerated, should be embraced and
address it. But some of this is just classic ignorance,
you know, like where's the where's the dust? There's no
dust below the helicopter, dude, the freaking the helicopters one
hundred and fifty feet above ground, they're out of ground effect.
And the vast majority of that desert floor is scrub
it's the that it doesn't move. I've slept on that service.
It's like hard as a rock, and so there's no dust.
Come on, you're just showing your ignorance, that's all that is.
So here's the thing is he claimed to go knock
non official cover and if he was groomed for that,
do you think they would have left the paper trail
of everything that that So I've talked to Jacob linked
about this and since that that program aired, and we
as soon as you said the word, I was like, yes,
that that captures it. Sheep did, right, And so you
sheep dip someone. You give him the training to get
the credibility and so that they had the right skills
so that when they leave the military, you can use
them in what you want to use him for, which
was this sort of work. And so yeah, they sent
him to school of school. Yeah, they sent him to
jump school. Yeah. Tom Palm never claimed he was a
Green Beret, he never, but they went through some of
this training so that after they left the military and
went into that different line of work that requires deep,
deep cover. Yeah, that makes sense, and that's what you
want the world to believe. You want the world to
think that all this guy failed out of CCT training
and he's he's washed up or whatever, because that's what
allows you to do this this other work. So all
of that and the documentation and then including the quote
missing documentation that novices expect should be there, they're just
showing that they're not educated. They're not they don't have
the experience in the realm. So I didn't find any inconsistencies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is the one area that I wanted
to bring up where I think that there are a
lot of people. I mean, yes, you know, you've got
the debunkers that are are clearly out to just spread
disinformation and discredit this this this patriot by any way
way shape possible. But what this this thing of him
being working as a contractor under non official cover? What
is what do you mean by nonoficial cover? What is that?
Why do you even why would you have it? Why
would he go under that or anyone in that particular path.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to tread lightly here, and it's not
because I'm worried about you know, somebody throw me in
jail or whatever. I think in my behind the Science
interview back in twenty fourteen. That's on my LinkedIn page.
I talk about this, but I'll try to summarize as well.
You know, I'm going in trouble all my life. I'm not.
I don't you know. That's not the motivation. The motivation
is to protect other people that are still doing this work.
So that's why I want to tread it lightly. Now,
if you know, as a military person, you are on
roles in the military and you enjoy the protection of
the Geneva Convention. Now a lot of irrational state actors
or terrorists don't honor those right, but it does give
you some protection depending on where you're at or whatever.
When you're deep undercover and you have credentials that are
not your real name, that's a whole different world. And
I will tell you from personal experience, it ain't fun.
It isn't you know, the glorified James Bond. You know,
aspect of it. It is a nightmare because you're constantly worried.
The stress is off the charts, because what if you
run into somebody in some crazy place that knows you
You're going to lose that friend? Jump? What what'd you
call me? I don't know who the heck you're talking
about dude, have a good one. It's one of my
classmates for a the academy, you know, and you've got
to tell him, dude, you got the wrong guy. Have
a great day, and you and you've just got to
dismiss yourself. And so it's and you're constantly worried about
what if I'm recognized, especially nowadays right with all the surveyors,
technology all the place, any city in the world, any
large city in the world, cameras everywhere. So it's terrifically stressful.
And so that's why all of those guys have taken
extreme risk on behalf of our country and yet here
are people trying to tear them down. I'm not okay
with that. It's an enormous risk. And you can imagine
why you have to do right is you know, if
you want to stay ahead of your adversaries, you need
to know whether w D are right. And so it's
a it's a real challenge. So my my hat is
off to both of those guys, Don Paul and and
Jake for the risk they accepted by going non official cover.
And you can see, you know plenty of the you know,
there was a mission impossible movie about it's all about
the knock List and how important that is. Uh and
it is very very important.
Speaker 1: So doctor Blitch tell us about a bit about the
the other individuals that were on the boat with you,
the folks that were in ross coltheart's special that vouched
for Jake and what he what his claims were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so havn't spent some time with them. They again,
no inconsistencies across them, and it was clear that they
were tight, a cohesive unit. There was a fourth member
that I'm not going to talk about now. I'm not
going to mention his name or anything about that him
because he he needs to uh knock him out. But
these guys were tight. Their demeanor, of their conversation, their
body language, everything about them. Again, no inconsistencies. Now, look,
you know, when I did a very short stint undercover,
I wasn't good at it. I just you know, I
could come up with a cover for action, cover verstats,
you know, but I just I just wasn't good at it.
So these guys would have had to been like a
list actors I think to have pulled that off. Maybe,
you know, because I didn't see anybody slip in any way,
shape or form. And that was just on the boat.
And then we met each other and talked that length afterwards,
and it just it just it just hit me solid.
You know, they're they're all pretty devout Christians. Most of
them are pretty devout Christians. Uh. Strong family values. I met.
I met wives, sons, daughters, Uh. Hanging out in a
very relaxed setting, no inconsistency, no alarm bells. The one
alarm bell documentation was that CCT thing. You know, why
would you do this without sending a guy? Well, when
I went through SCOPA school, before the Army would send
anybody down to Key West to go through the combat
dive course, which is very challenging. I'd say one of
the most challenging courses there is because humans, we don't
like to drown and and and you are on the
edge of drowning in that course, just like Buz right,
it feels, you know, facing the stuff that they go through.
It's it's horrific. We all all fear drowning. That's why
waterboarding works. I had to say it. So anyway, before
the United States Army would send soldiers down to this
vacation paradise, of Key West. They would make sure that
they were going to pass, and there were some pretty
stupid things that they would do because if they would figure, say, yeah,
these this horrific exercise called a crossover where you'd have
to hold your breath blah blah up to tell about
that some of the time and after, you know, the
average human could do about four of these breath holding exercises,
very intensive, and so eventually you know that the rumor
was that, well, when you get down there, you got
to do eleven or twelve. And so the people at
Fort Bragg figured, well, if you got to do twelve
down there, we're going to make sure that you can
do thirteen up here for fourteen. But then the taxpayer
dollars to go down there. But they didn't realize is
that the schoolhouse had already calculated to minute detail how
much the average human can handle. And there was a
CCT guy in my pre scuba class who had a
shallow water blackout. He drowned. They hauled him away in
an ambulance, and I was in the middle of one
of these crossovers, and I'm like, you know, so there's
not to get the details. But if you if you
try to cheap because you can't. You just can't hold
your breath any longer, and you pop to the service
to sneak a little little breath. The instructors, they don't
have scuba taxer on. They're very agile. They they will
jump on your shoulders, just like in water polo, and
they will push you to the bottom of the floor
and then you're screwed because you've missed your opportunity to
get a little breath on the other side before you
turn back around. So it was like the fourteenth crossover
and I'm like, I try to sneak a breath and
nobody jumps on me. And then I get to the
other wall and I'm looking around and there's there's an ambulance,
there's sirens, there's red lights, and they're pulling this guy
out of the water. And so he had pushed his
body beyond the limits and he had he had passed
out Matt calling a shallow water blackout, and his legs
were still thinning. His head was against the side of
the pool and he was doing this and so the
instructors were like, well, he must still be conscious, and
then somebody finally realized, oh crap, and they dove in
and saved him, and he ended up going back through
graduating and I saw him at king Fod Airbase years
later as a CCT guy was phenomenal. So that's why
you would do that. You would you would train this
guy and make sure that you don't waste a bunch
of taxpayer dollars and everybody's time by sending somebody through
that that really very rigorous course of work if they
weren't physically up for work. Not to mention, you're checking for,
you know, injuries or physical incapacitation that the medical exams
that the doctors give can't catch. Pfos are a heart
defect that really don't show up until your heart is
so stressed that this little opening reveals itself between the
mesh of your muscle fibers. So those happen as well,
and there's no way to screen it until you put
that heart under such extreme pressure. And this is how
people die, you know, on the side of Mount everst
or you know, scuba diving, you know, without any indicators,
super healthy athletes and boom. So there's a lot to it.
So that explains why in my mind, that explains why.
So I didn't have a big issue with.
Speaker 4: It, Plitch.
Speaker 2: What I would love for you to do is walk
us through.
Speaker 1: Jake Barber's story in terms of like where he started,
militarily where he ended up, especially with going under non
official cover, and then his claims or just more over,
like do you support his claims?
Speaker 2: So if you would just walk us through all of that, well.
Speaker 3: First of all, I've got to I've got to be
very clear. Well you know, let me do this. And
I hate it when academics and I are one right
for at least for a while, answer a question with
a question. But I'm going to ask you a question. Okay, please, okay,
where were you born? And when were you born? And
now let me let me interrupt that question so that
you don't have to give personally identifiable information on TV.
I draw up a big distinction between what I believe
and what I know. I used to think that I
knew that I was born on March eighteen, nineteen fifty nine,
and out of hope falls. I don't why because I
was constantly told that by my parents, and I've seen
birth certifics blah blah blah. But do I really know that?
Could that all have been a conspiracy when maybe I
was born and I don't know Siberia, you know, and
then so my memory doesn't go back that far. So
I can't really know that unless I have some corroborating evidence,
independent sourced later on. So I want to make that
distinction with regard to Jake. I was never assigned with Jake.
I was you know, we might have been. No, I
was gone, I was off to CGSC. I was in
grad school when he got to pot Air Force Base
and for Bragg or are in that vicinity. So I
was never co located with him, never signed with him.
And same thing with with Don Paul and Frett. So
that's not what I was asked to do. I was
asked to show a little bit of leadership and compassion
and to just just be a good listener, and and
that's what I did. So I'm not I'm not Jake
Barber's lawyer. I'm not his you know, I'm not the
guy to verify everything on his military records or not.
What I can't tell you is it is consistent with
my awareness of how intelligence agencies across Let's let's be clear,
there's a lot of them. Now, it's not just the CIA.
There's a lot of intelligence agencies, so I don't know,
and he hasn't said which one that recruited him or whatever.
But the way that he talks about his whole military
process is consistent with the way I would run it.
If I was recruiting folks, I would want to sheep
dip them, get them the training they need right using
somebody else's dollars, by the way, the DoD's dollars, right,
and then and to make sure they got that training,
and then pluck them into arguably a higher role to
do what needs to be done under deep cover. So
I have I have no issues with the inconsistencies at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I want to I want to read a
few things of of what some folks said. This is
a Tim McMillan, who is who is at the debrief
and kind of kind of surprised by what he wrote.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 1: Is it confirmed that Jacob Barber was in fact a
combat controller? The documents shared by News Nations show he enlisted.
He enlisted with a CCT pipeline option, but the DD
two fourteen shows him being in aerospace maintenance for the
entire of his enlistment.
Speaker 2: And let's see.
Speaker 1: McMillan goes on to say not saying he wasn't a CCT,
but it wasn't confirmed by what was shown. Also, the
NATO confidential clearances is from travel documents to Bosnia.
Speaker 2: That means nothing.
Speaker 1: Everyone would have it traveling on a NATO on a NATO,
I guess mission and this gentleman. Travis Fields replies to
his tweet to McMillan's tweet, quote, don't see proof he
was a combat controller here either. Also, back in my day,
you became a n ee for senior airman on day
one of year four and he served six So I
wonder if he should have made staff sergeant.
Speaker 2: I know a combat controller.
Speaker 1: Who I'll ask about this if no one else figures
it out. And Tim McMillan replies, quote, I thought this
was odd as well. All Army SOF souls are automatically
promoted to E five upon completion of Q course. However,
not familiar if it's the same for the Air Force.
Uh your reaction to that well.
Speaker 3: So the last comment I don't think was targeted towards Jakes,
probably towards Don Paul. Don Paul served in the Air
Force and the Army and I think because he was
referred to as special forces. You know, that's an army
term that the Air Force doesn't use the term special forces.
They say commandos, special tactics. Squadrons are typically assigned to those,
so that's more of an army term. So I suspect
I don't know Tim. I respect him, you know, as
a fellow human, and it sounds like probably a pretty
talented guy, but there may be just a little bit
of naive to take there. So Don Paul never claimed
to be agreeable, right, and so you know, again I
sympathize with you and Ross and the media with you know,
just trying to deal with these acronyms and these subtle
little nuances on verbiage. But I think that's what that
last comment was towards. And so, what what Jake and
Don Paul both have in common is detailed extensive training
with a m M a uh. And so how many
air mechanics are MMA champions Behind the scenes, if you're
going to be if you're going to be on the
president's helicopter or you're going to be on a four
star general's helicopter, you know they might want a guy that, yeah,
he can fix the airplane, but he also can take out, uh,
you know, a threat as well. So you'll train them
in marksmanship, you'll train them in all these other aspects
of things, and so that's the sheep dipping. So I
guess my answer to all that is cheap did wouldn't
you do the same thing, you know, if you were
in charge of security for for high rank in folks. Yeah,
it just makes sense to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Another person asked again just kind of building on what
I think Tim McMillan was inquiring about.
Speaker 2: Quote the claim was made that he was a CCT
and PJ. When did that occur?
Speaker 1: His d D two fourteen displayed in the one hour
segment does not support the claim. Is there supporting facts
or documents to support the claim?
Speaker 3: Again? You know, without going through the nitty gritty of
each and every aspect, I think you know, we were
all thrown in the same pot to a certain extent.
You know, Fred unquestionably is a PJ. I've seen his
DD two fourteen. He's got three bronze stars. And so
you know, when when you're when you have all of
us around that fire pit and picking out know nitnoid
aspects of things, you know, I just I just think
that's a little bit ridiculous. Uh, to go to that
level of scrutiny. Again, that doesn't seem to me to
be scientific scrutiny if you don't understand the rationale. Okay,
let's talk about it, and let's and let's take a
list of unresolved issues that we can deal with scientifically
and get a big brilliant scientist like Gary Nolan involved
in this, right, or or very experienced intelligence operatives and
managers like Lue Alsondo, Carlnell, you know, Jay Stratton and
Dave Grutsch, get those guys dressing those But this this
is who shot John sort of belooney in mind. I
don't mean to demean anybody. We need to be skeptical,
it needs to go through that level. But I don't
have any issue that that was explained by the pre
scuba pre pipeline training. Right. He clearly was recruited, he
clearly went through a training, He showed that certificate of
training that going through that that that pre pipeline. He
never claimed to be CCT and so it's it's a
non issue for me.
Speaker 1: And really, really the takeaway from what I'm hearing you
say is the career path that Jake Barber stated is
as fact, completely comports with other members or other other
people that you've you've worked with or encountered during your
time in the Middle military. They they followed almost the
exact same kind of path to move into a nonofficial cover.
Speaker 3: I won't say that, I'm not I'm not going to
claim that. What I'm going to say again, is it
that there's no it's consistent.
Speaker 2: That is consistent, consistent with.
Speaker 3: The way that an intelligence community would want to bring
somebody into a knock position. You want it, maintain mundane,
you want it. There's nothing special here, you know, uh,
until until they assume their other effort, right. I mean,
you would love the plumber to be a martial artist, right,
because that's that's the way it's going to be sure.
And so this path for both Jake and Don Paul,
along with some law enforcement credentials which are also makes
all the sense in the world. Right. So it's all
part of this sheep dipping process to get the right
skill set for when when they leave the military and
go into this very challenging field.
Speaker 1: Folks, If you enjoyed part one of our interview with
doctor John blitch and want to know more about whistleblower
Jake Barber and UFOs otherwise known as UAPs. You will
enjoy this episode with national security expert Matthew Pines and
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