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Speaker 1: Hello, Bubbo, what's happening? Man?
Speaker 2: Oh? I just got back in from a little hike.
Speaker 1: Nice. Where'd you go?
Speaker 2: There's a trailer goes kind of I never really use
Speaker 2: it until just this year, but it goes from like
Speaker 2: we're two nine and one on one coming there and
Speaker 2: it connects up it goes like behind the mills and stuff,
Speaker 2: and then it goes up into as like industrial zone
Speaker 2: and it goes up into the community forest that's behind
Speaker 2: Arcada and Humboldt stayed up there. I think it's like
Speaker 2: sevente hunderd acre red with community forest. It's it's nice,
Speaker 2: you know, it's all ferns and I was sick of
Speaker 2: spruce and stuff, and so my buddy Aloy were like
Speaker 2: walking up in there and it's like blowing twenty five knots, overcast,
Speaker 2: gray like on and off showers, kind of cold wind,
Speaker 2: blowing really dark and grounded underneath the canopy, you know.
Speaker 2: And so we're walking up and we're coming around the
Speaker 2: corner stres he's like two beautiful girls, like early twenties,
Speaker 2: like college, you know, girls that were like look like
Speaker 2: like the kind of hot chicks at Burning Man you see,
Speaker 2: you know, like they're all like look like they're like
Speaker 2: festival girls, you know, like.
Speaker 1: The kind that you can pretty much bet would know
Speaker 1: how to hula hoop and perhaps naked, sure, yeah, naked
Speaker 1: hula hoopers and perhaps yeah.
Speaker 2: And they were like they like just like shocked that
Speaker 2: we were like came walking and like it's a pretty
Speaker 2: used trail, Like they're like, it's I was shocked how
Speaker 2: crowded it is. Like every time I go out there's
Speaker 2: like people on it. And uh, I've been going with
Speaker 2: a like a couple times a week, like three, four
Speaker 2: times a week late the last couple of weeks, and
Speaker 2: I feel bad he because like he looks like he
Speaker 2: just got paroled. You remember, awboys, my buddy's like covered
Speaker 2: in tattoos. He's like my size.
Speaker 1: I think I remember him, but god, there's just so
Speaker 1: many people I've met, and you know, my memory is
Speaker 1: so squishy.
Speaker 2: He was rocking with us when we went to Willow
Speaker 2: Creek the movie Oh the will.
Speaker 1: Oh that guy, Okay, sure, yeah, yeah you've been.
Speaker 2: Him a few other times at my house and stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's just super nice guy. But he just
Speaker 2: looks like I mean, he's got like tattoos on his
Speaker 2: head and shaved head and all. I mean, he looks
Speaker 2: he looks straight like prison gang guy. But you know
Speaker 2: he's not at all. But so we go walking up there, dude,
Speaker 2: like we'll be walking to the like, uh, women will
Speaker 2: see us and just turn around, like just start like
Speaker 2: jogging like they'll be walking. The'll turn around, like start
Speaker 2: jogging fast the opposite direction. Like we feel back like
Speaker 2: we're ruining all these women's hikes out there. So today
Speaker 2: we come around the corners, these two beautiful like you know,
Speaker 2: like twenty two year old girls changing like getting dressed
Speaker 2: on the on the trail walk. Like I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: like we're right on top of him already, so as
Speaker 2: we'll just go past and so like you if I
Speaker 2: like it's like in Humble and you'll come as crossing
Speaker 2: like nad once and while like swimming or at the
Speaker 2: beach or something, you know, like I'll walk up and
Speaker 2: like if I walk up all like some chicks are
Speaker 2: changing or naked and all, just like you know, clear
Speaker 2: my throat or cough and like kind of give a
Speaker 2: little nod and just turn around and wait, like give
Speaker 2: them time to get whatever dressed or out of the way,
Speaker 2: whatever they want to do. And so it was like
Speaker 2: kind of like, well, we're right on top of them,
Speaker 2: and they were pretty much dressed. They're getting dressed. They're
Speaker 2: like pretty covered up, but they were looked all shocked
Speaker 2: and all like like, oh my god, there's people out here,
Speaker 2: like they couldn't believe it. We guys swimming because they're
Speaker 2: all wet when it was raining. But first of that,
Speaker 2: they're all wet because it's raining. I'm like, now then
Speaker 2: they got towels and stuff like like the one chick's
Speaker 2: like putting on a bikini top whatever, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: are you guys swimming in that creek because it's like
Speaker 2: six to eighteen inches deep and it's like muddy and
Speaker 2: uh like like we're just cold plunged, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this this is toxic waste. Like this creek's been like
Speaker 2: a major toxics like cleanup spot for years, like I
Speaker 2: want to might want a better you know. It's like
Speaker 2: right next to the mills, a bunch of logging right
Speaker 2: up the stream, like a quarter a half mile out.
Speaker 2: There's times of logging going on, and you can see
Speaker 2: where these guys had took in their their heavy equipment
Speaker 2: like the caterpillars. And just because that's what I mean,
Speaker 2: I used to log you, I've seen guys they just
Speaker 2: they don't bring the they don't bring the equipment into
Speaker 2: the shop to change the oil. They just unscrew it
Speaker 2: and just dump the oil out there, you know, and
Speaker 2: then just change the filter and put in the plug
Speaker 2: and fill it back up. They don't take it in
Speaker 2: a change. It's like we just dosed two days ago
Speaker 2: we went hiking up there that they had changed the
Speaker 2: oil on the land. Two different lanes. They had changed
Speaker 2: the oil on these skidders and loaders and stuff, and
Speaker 2: there was just oil dripping down everyone. Like those girls
Speaker 2: were swimming down on that or whatever, cold plunging in that.
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh man, he felt to be young.
Speaker 2: When we first walked out, I was like, well, this
Speaker 2: is like for like it it wasn't even like a
Speaker 2: tenth of a second that's all played out my mind
Speaker 2: about the tenth of a second, like, oh, there's two
Speaker 2: of us. We're too cool guys, too hot shakes like yeah,
Speaker 2: we get along great, like yeah, let's see what's up.
Speaker 2: And then like like it's like, oh no, no, we're
Speaker 2: just old creepy dews on the trail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the old creepy kind of scary guys on the trail. Right,
Speaker 1: it's hard to remember that you're not bad anymore, or
Speaker 1: we're not bad anymore. Perhaps, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, it just takes like a like it's like that,
Speaker 2: it's like that thought to say that thought takes like
Speaker 2: several seconds, but that in my mind, it's like happens
Speaker 2: all I can less than a tenth of a second.
Speaker 1: You know. I've spoken to a lot of elderly people
Speaker 1: and they say I feel the same, except my body doesn't,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I on the inside of my brain,
Speaker 1: I'm the same guy or Galla or whatever, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, on the outside, you know, my body just
Speaker 1: doesn't work as well. So oh, to be old, to
Speaker 1: be young.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I with created. On Halloween, we went to go
Speaker 2: see this dead cover bewnd there really really dude, they're
Speaker 2: really good, like act like some of the best, like
Speaker 2: they're like dark Star Orchestra level, and uh we went
Speaker 2: there and it was just funny watching like all the
Speaker 2: old hipnies like you're like god of Like they like
Speaker 2: they look like they're like some are using walkers and stuff.
Speaker 2: They're all those crazy hippie dances and stuff like just
Speaker 2: really slow and it was like, yeah, like they still
Speaker 2: like I think it's like nineteen sixty eight. They're like,
Speaker 2: you know, dancing. They're like, we're.
Speaker 1: Still cool, you know, like oh yeah, And of course
Speaker 1: they're all bummed out because Donna died this week, as
Speaker 1: you know, Donna gotcha.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just thought today as she died. I
Speaker 2: don't think everyone's bummed.
Speaker 1: Everybody's but there has been. I mean, I guess we
Speaker 1: should probably take a few moments and talk about this.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a Q and A episode just
Speaker 1: for the people who are listening. But we'll get around
Speaker 1: to that eventually. But there's a lot of other things
Speaker 1: to talk about, so maybe we'll kind of be under
Speaker 1: that direction here. But the Angel of Death has been
Speaker 1: visiting the Bigfoot community. I know, we should probably be
Speaker 1: painting blood above our doors or whatever. You have to
Speaker 1: do to avoid this. But this is insane, the amount
Speaker 1: of bigfooters who have been passing away since Doctor Meldrum.
Speaker 1: He was the vanguard. He was he was pushing the envelope.
Speaker 1: He's the guy that did it first. He's he checked
Speaker 1: out way back in early September, September ninth. But I
Speaker 1: mean so that we talked about that on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that by now that doctor Meldrum has checked out.
Speaker 1: We gave a good tip of the hat. Scott Violette
Speaker 1: of course, good friend and he's on the podcast before,
Speaker 1: and good researcher and just a nice general generally rad dude,
Speaker 1: super nice guy. I love the guy. Jane Goodall of
Speaker 1: course checked out. Now I didn't know Jane Goodall personally.
Speaker 1: We talked about her in the podcast, of course, but
Speaker 1: we kind of claimed her as our own. I think
Speaker 1: that's appropriate. We'll take what we can get, and we
Speaker 1: had one of the best right there, Jane Goodall. You
Speaker 1: know I did mention my friend Jeff Wally, of course.
Speaker 1: I learned about Wally on the way back from a
Speaker 1: funeral of one of my best friends. Wally was a
Speaker 1: huge blow. He's a good friend of both of us.
Speaker 1: And then see that that's four just bigfooters. And then
Speaker 1: of course what was the next one? Was it Bill Green?
Speaker 3: It was Fair and Lach and then Green.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, yeah, Farren and Baca of course doctor
Speaker 1: farren Bach, who did a pioneering work on possible sasquatch
Speaker 1: hair samples. He was involved in scookom cast stuff. And
Speaker 1: then the course Green, not John Green, but Bill Green,
Speaker 1: who a lot of I don't think a lot of
Speaker 1: new people would really know who John Green is or
Speaker 1: I mean Bill Green, what was is? Of course a
Speaker 1: lot of new people may not know who Fahrenbach was, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is a cry in shame, because he was another
Speaker 1: one of the PhDs that was interested in the subject.
Speaker 2: When Bigfoot first one on the internet. You knew who
Speaker 2: Bill Green was if you were on like ten years ago,
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, Yeah you knew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly like if you're I guess an old timer.
Speaker 1: Now if you were aware of sasquatches in the early
Speaker 1: two thousands, which makes you an old timer, I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: you knew who Bill Green was because he was everywhere.
Speaker 1: He was on all the forums he was on like
Speaker 1: he did like commenting on blogs all the time.
Speaker 2: He was a regular on a podcast like one of
Speaker 2: the first podcasts.
Speaker 1: Do you know which one?
Speaker 2: Well? But mean four who wasn't prove it? He was
Speaker 2: on all the time. He was like a mainstak like host.
Speaker 3: I don't remember host, but I do remember he would
Speaker 3: call in to every single blog talk radio show and
Speaker 3: he would always be in the chat. And so some
Speaker 3: of the early blog talk shows I was on, he
Speaker 3: would call in on. But everyone that I would listen to,
Speaker 3: they'd be like, oh, we're going to take a few
Speaker 3: calls from the chat, and it would always be we've
Speaker 3: got Bill Green calling in. And so, yeah, he was
Speaker 3: very active in the online See. I think he had
Speaker 3: some kind of like a whether it was a newsletter
Speaker 3: or some kind of like a club like a mail
Speaker 3: in or write in club or communication or something of
Speaker 3: that nature. If I'm not mistaken. He was kind of
Speaker 3: a mysterious guy. I didn't know a whole lot about him,
Speaker 3: but everyone knew him and who he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a character.
Speaker 1: Before Facebook, it was basically you know, you know, the
Speaker 1: Bigfoot forums. It was kind of the dominant online resource
Speaker 1: for sasquatches, and they're still out there. Plugging away doing
Speaker 1: bigfoot forum stuff.
Speaker 3: There. There was bigfoot forms there, there was a forum
Speaker 3: on cryptozoology dot com, and then there was the comment
Speaker 3: section of Cryptomundo that was about it.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, yeah. And of course now everybody and their
Speaker 1: mother has their own Facebook page and whatever else. But
Speaker 1: back in the day, if you were on any of
Speaker 1: those things, you know who Bill Green was. I always
Speaker 1: had good interactions with him. We would called him on
Speaker 1: the road because didn't he live in the northeast somewhere, Bob,
Speaker 1: what do you remember?
Speaker 2: Connecticut?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, we called him on the road
Speaker 1: to see if he wanted to come to the town
Speaker 1: hall or do something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we invited in a couple with you. We invited
Speaker 2: in a Connecticut town hall in Jersey and then another one.
Speaker 2: We'd call him. He'd be all still because he lived
Speaker 2: in that home, so he couldn't really, he wasn't too much.
Speaker 2: I don't think he could drive or anything. He was
Speaker 2: always stoked to he was always in a good mood.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, okay, let me know what's
Speaker 2: going on. I mean, know there's any sightings or anything new.
Speaker 2: Let me know.
Speaker 1: You're very positive, very positive. Yeah, And yeah, just all
Speaker 1: these people, and you can't forget Frank. Oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I knew I was missing one, says here a county.
Speaker 1: There were seven Frank Canischer died.
Speaker 2: Jeez, can't even keep track.
Speaker 1: Frank was researching some of the same areas I research.
Speaker 1: On a regular basis. We would share notes. We would like, Hey,
Speaker 1: look at this cast I got today. Oh really, where
Speaker 1: was that? And that guy is another one of these
Speaker 1: unsung heroes of Bigfoot Man. He was actually in the
Speaker 1: game since nineteen eighty six. I believe how was he
Speaker 1: when he passed like fifty seven or something.
Speaker 2: Oh that's terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Frank and Easter and then so let
Speaker 1: me seeing Frank's praises just for a few moments. I
Speaker 1: can't believe I forgot about that, but I knew I
Speaker 1: was missing one. Thank you, Thank you, Matt. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: So everybody knows who Jim Hugh Cain is. I think
Speaker 1: he was a wildlife biologist here in Oregon. I think
Speaker 1: he lived up in Saint Helen's, Oregon on the river
Speaker 1: there and he would look into bigfoot stuff. He hit
Speaker 1: him and his partner Jack Jack. Please, Matt, help me
Speaker 1: out Sullivan, Yeah, Jack Sullivan. Yeah. Jim Hukin and Jack
Speaker 1: Sullivan were like kind of partners in crime. I guess
Speaker 1: in a way that they would go out and investigate
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Stuffy. Jim Hukin being a while my biologists published
Speaker 1: several times in cryptozoology, you know the International Society Cryptozology
Speaker 1: newsletter there, and that the journals that they would produce.
Speaker 2: He has.
Speaker 1: You can look back and read several of his articles
Speaker 1: and he I guess Jim Huckin is probably most famous
Speaker 1: for a certain trackway that he and Jack Sullivan cast
Speaker 1: in I think November of nineteen eighty six, if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, eighty seven. I think it was eighty six
Speaker 1: at the double check. But it turns out that that
Speaker 1: trackway was on Frank Kineister's property. Now Frank was a
Speaker 1: kid at the time. I think he was sixteen or
Speaker 1: something at the time, maybe seventeen or if he was sixteen,
Speaker 1: that puts him about my age. He's only a year
Speaker 1: or two older than me.
Speaker 2: So and.
Speaker 1: Hugh Caen and those guys got about five or six
Speaker 1: casts in a row. I have copies of one or
Speaker 1: two of them. And actually Meldrum had a really good.
Speaker 1: Has a really good mold of one of them too,
Speaker 1: so I have that now too, which is kind of cool.
Speaker 1: But it turns out Frank cast a footprint at that
Speaker 1: site and it was his very very first footprint in
Speaker 1: his career. But that set him on the course. It
Speaker 1: turns out that Frank actually had a role in reporting
Speaker 1: that trackway because Jack Sullivan was a teacher at Frank's
Speaker 1: middle school or high school that he taught typing and
Speaker 1: something else, you know, and and he would do these
Speaker 1: big foot you know, investigations, and Frank and he were
Speaker 1: kind of friends, you know, as a teacher and a
Speaker 1: student sort of friend. And I think Frank may have
Speaker 1: reported at the Jack Sullivan and uh, and so they
Speaker 1: came out and checked it out, and they were around
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, like because they lived locally,
Speaker 1: and they would just keep coming out. They eventually cast
Speaker 1: a bunch of prints there, and uh, Frank cast one,
Speaker 1: and that really set Frank on the pathway that he
Speaker 1: was on until his death. He potentially might have cast
Speaker 1: more things than anyone potentially, but I don't know, because
Speaker 1: Frank was an awe. I mean, I really liked him.
Speaker 1: I considered him a friend. I would call and talk
Speaker 1: to him and that sort of thing. But he was
Speaker 1: kind of an odd guy, so he was so excited
Speaker 1: and excited bull that he would talk and sort. He
Speaker 1: didn't think linearly was a thing, so he's hard to
Speaker 1: understand sometimes. I'm not sure exactly how many footprint and
Speaker 1: handprint casts that he got, but I know that some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that he got was really really good,
Speaker 1: very very interesting. It's just sad to see another guy
Speaker 1: go like that because Frank had had so much left
Speaker 1: to do. I think stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
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Speaker 4: My question is for you, Bobo, about twenty nineteen, in
Speaker 4: parts of twenty twenty and I think twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 2: And that's an interesting one.
Speaker 3: And I put the link to Bobo's cameo in the
Speaker 3: show notes. I do remember that message came in and
Speaker 3: she was like, my dad is a huge fan of Bobo.
Speaker 3: Is there like some way that Bobo can send a message,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, yeah, here's the link, and
Speaker 3: so glad to hear that that all worked out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool h Yeah, we're still held up on that one.
Speaker 2: We went over that already.
Speaker 3: See since he said I don't know if it's still
Speaker 3: on streaming or not, you could have said, oh, you
Speaker 3: know what, you just missed it.
Speaker 2: Well like those well, some of the ones we did,
Speaker 2: like the Robbie Canevil came out, and then Sam's almost
Speaker 2: done with his He's got the one we were doing
Speaker 2: that Bigfoot Encounters of the Fourth kind. Then we got, uh,
Speaker 2: this one where we did with Pete Travers where we
Speaker 2: did the sketching with some witnesses like Sarah from episode
Speaker 2: fifty five. I think it was the one that everyone
Speaker 2: was like, favorite witness we had on here for a
Speaker 2: lot of people. Yeah, that's that's basically done. That'll be
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Speaker 3: Once again, I will put the link to your cameo
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Speaker 1: Notes if people love those, I'm going to buy Matt
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Speaker 2: Last year, the New York Times are it was two
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Speaker 1: That just means they don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much. I don't know how many thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's just it like you charge high enough
Speaker 1: that you don't have to do very many of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I definitely I get that appeal. But
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Speaker 2: for people, you know, like they they're happy with it,
Speaker 2: so it's a great way to get a present, you know,
Speaker 2: like because it gets on their phone, they got it forever.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like it's not just like signing something.
Speaker 2: They have something hang on their wallets like it's in
Speaker 2: their pocket like that. They you know, they're they can
Speaker 2: show their friends like, you know, check this out. You know,
Speaker 2: they get a laugh or whatever.
Speaker 1: Until they lose their phone in the woods.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: We have an update on your phone.
Speaker 2: No, dude, I still haven't even made it back out there, but.
Speaker 1: You found time to hike in heavy girl country, you know,
Speaker 1: and watch them make sledge angels because there's not a plunge.
Speaker 1: It's not a cold plunge because it's six inches deep. Man,
Speaker 1: they're making sledge angels in the muck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure we're not going to see
Speaker 2: them out there again, but you'll try.
Speaker 1: All right, what do we hop onto the next voicemail?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 5: Right, Hey guys, this is Kevin May's from Kentucky and
Speaker 5: a lot of John Green's reports people mentioned how sasquatch
Speaker 5: moves almost silently even through thick brush. Now, I've been
Speaker 5: bushwhacking a lot, and I know that I make a
Speaker 5: lot of noise going through dense vegetation. And I do
Speaker 5: know that there are some animals like owls and cats,
Speaker 5: we have special feathers or fur they can help them
Speaker 5: stay quiet as they navigate their way through vegetation. Do
Speaker 5: you think it's feasible that sasquatch might have some sort
Speaker 5: of oily or textured hair that works the same way,
Speaker 5: kind of helping it slip through the woods without making
Speaker 5: a noise, unless, of course, it wants to make a noise.
Speaker 5: By the way, Cliff, I'll be sitting here in the
Speaker 5: Denny's bathroom waiting for a response.
Speaker 1: Thanks, guys, Yeah, there's our good friend Kevin. Our listeners
Speaker 1: may remember that were oh, yeah, remember that, We're waiting
Speaker 1: my car, and I'd saying, where is this guy? He
Speaker 1: must be taking a dump and Denny's or whatever, and
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He was like walking back to the hotel room.
Speaker 1: And everybody thought that I was nuts because we weren't moving,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was waiting for somebody. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kevin Rad.
Speaker 3: When I heard his voicemail come in, I didn't even
Speaker 3: listen to the whole thing. I was just like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's my buddy, Kevin, and I banked it. So I
Speaker 3: was actually about to make a joke and say sounds
Speaker 3: like that was recorded in the bathroom of Denny's. To
Speaker 3: cue your memory before I even say he had it
Speaker 3: in the voicemail, so Kudo's Kevin, Oh.
Speaker 2: No, I had it.
Speaker 1: I had the name, Yeah, Oily Hair. I don't think
Speaker 1: would yield. I don't think that would necessarily yield silence.
Speaker 1: I don't see how that would do it. I think
Speaker 1: I think that they're just they're just that good at
Speaker 1: what they do. I was actually talking to Chris Spencer
Speaker 1: just today about a sighting, the report that I took.
Speaker 1: There's been there's been a couple of things happened in
Speaker 1: bigfoot Land. We didn't really get to but at a
Speaker 1: siding report came in the other day. It was a
Speaker 1: couple of years old, but it was in Chris Spencer's neighborhood,
Speaker 1: so I sent it to him and we're just kind
Speaker 1: of shooting the poop about some of the other stuff
Speaker 1: in that general vicinity. And one of the things I
Speaker 1: told him was about a biologist who saw one of
Speaker 1: these animals, the sassquatched there at the very edge of
Speaker 1: a clear cut as he was approaching the big timber.
Speaker 1: He was walking on a road and he saw the
Speaker 1: animal from the shoulders up and the clear cut. It
Speaker 1: wasn't exactly a clear cut it was a regrowth. The
Speaker 1: trees were about six feet tall, so he was guessing
Speaker 1: this some thing was about eight feet tall. And he
Speaker 1: said that if he hadn't and he saw it run
Speaker 1: and ran up the hill, he said that if he
Speaker 1: had not put his eyes on it, he would have
Speaker 1: never known it was there. Even though it was like
Speaker 1: thirty feet in front of him. It didn't make any noise,
Speaker 1: which is super interesting, of course, and how they do it,
Speaker 1: I don't really know, but I don't think it would
Speaker 1: necessarily have anything to do with oily hair, although I've
Speaker 1: been told that there are oily animals, and certainly the
Speaker 1: smudges and whatever else and the sea bomb that has
Speaker 1: been left behind would support that idea at least that
Speaker 1: they're probably pretty oily animals as soora gorillas, So it
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. But I don't think the oily hair
Speaker 1: would necessarily let them or you stop the noise of
Speaker 1: them going through the brush. I just think that they
Speaker 1: know how to navigate.
Speaker 3: Perhaps, yeah, I would agree with that. It seems like
Speaker 3: most animals that have that sort of furtive lifestyle, whether
Speaker 3: they're ambush predators like tigers or something like that, a
Speaker 3: lot of their lifestyle depends on being undetectable, and so
Speaker 3: they evolution has created an animal that moves very very
Speaker 3: very quietly, unless, like Kevin point, unless it wants to,
Speaker 3: because man, it seems like they can be pretty loud
Speaker 3: when they want to crash away. And how many times
Speaker 3: have we heard or especially heard witnesses described like, oh,
Speaker 3: it sounded like a truck or semi coming through the
Speaker 3: buldos so large and displacing so much vegetation and breaking
Speaker 3: things and breaking branches.
Speaker 2: And you know what's funny, every time I've heard that,
Speaker 2: I went when I was able to go back and look,
Speaker 2: it never looks like a bulldozer went through, you know.
Speaker 2: It's like I think there's like a branch broke over here.
Speaker 2: Like it never looks as bad as it sounds.
Speaker 3: Well, you can make a lot of noise just shaking
Speaker 3: live vegetation, you know, and make a big, big noise,
Speaker 3: and then there's no damage, no alteration, like it would
Speaker 3: be undetectable. But you know, if you grabbed saplings with
Speaker 3: either arm, you know, and just flung them about and
Speaker 3: it makes a big sound.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of reports coming in like this
Speaker 2: has been a you know, like the typical of the fall,
Speaker 2: Like just stuff just goes off in October, just September
Speaker 2: and October and October going to November. It's just always
Speaker 2: just that's when I got That's when I hear the most,
Speaker 2: by far, from all over the country.
Speaker 1: I think they were on the property last night, really,
Speaker 1: I think. So it's hard to say, man, because it
Speaker 1: was raining pretty good. But I went out back to
Speaker 1: take a leak. And I went out there and I'm
Speaker 1: doing my business on the lawn or whatever, and that
Speaker 1: hillside right behind me, something big was in the trees
Speaker 1: right up in there, and it kind of it moved
Speaker 1: a bit, and then it kind of went up and
Speaker 1: then I lost it. But soon thereafter, like within like
Speaker 1: two minutes thereafter, I started hearing what I thought might
Speaker 1: be knocks up on the hill. But I have to,
Speaker 1: I have to, you know, temper what I'm saying here,
Speaker 1: because it was raining pretty good, right and and it
Speaker 1: seemed like there were some of the noises. I know
Speaker 1: that I some of the noises that I initially thought
Speaker 1: might be knocks, I know were not because the further
Speaker 1: out on the lawn I went, I could triangulate the
Speaker 1: sound a little bit better and and they were coming
Speaker 1: from places where oh, that's that's water on a tarp
Speaker 1: or something like that or whatever it was. But a
Speaker 1: couple of those noises up on the hill. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know what would be making like noise like
Speaker 1: that noise up on the hill because there's nothing there
Speaker 1: to you know, Like what I was hearing that was
Speaker 1: kind of like that was coming from near the house
Speaker 1: where there was a piece of plastic and things were
Speaker 1: dripping and whatever hitting the bucket or whatever. It was
Speaker 1: kind of like like a drum. But those sort of
Speaker 1: noises coming off the hill, I mean, they were loud, man,
Speaker 1: and they were pretty distant. They were yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: have both been to my house, I think, right. And
Speaker 1: and so like the top of the hill where it
Speaker 1: kind of levels off and goes into the farm lands,
Speaker 1: and there were two or three noises like that that
Speaker 1: kept me really wondering. It's like, man, are they here
Speaker 1: right now? You know, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So last night was a big maybe. But when I
Speaker 1: told Melissa about it, she goes, well, yeah, November, it
Speaker 1: is kind of when they show up, right, I thought, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that's true. We very often have some something
Speaker 1: happened in November this time of year or so, who knows,
Speaker 1: and they might have been around last night or might
Speaker 1: have just been you know, sounds fooling with the cliff's brain.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Did you come in and tell Melissa there's.
Speaker 1: Something on the hill.
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I just stood on the art and screamed it. Identify yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I went walking up on the on
Speaker 1: the top of the property day looking for a prince.
Speaker 1: And you know that the ground's covered with those big
Speaker 1: leaf maple leaves right now, so it's pretty hard to
Speaker 1: find anything. But I had to find some bear. I
Speaker 1: found some lots of deer and that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: and some things that like I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: didn't find anything that I would say, yeah, are probably
Speaker 1: sasquatch prints. But I also am not so sure I
Speaker 1: went up high enough because there's that there's that stretch
Speaker 1: of land between the upper road and the edge of
Speaker 1: the cliffs that that I didn't go up into, and
Speaker 1: very few things do go I mean, nobody walks up there,
Speaker 1: so I probably need to go poke around in there
Speaker 1: when it stops raining again.
Speaker 3: Is it usually up there on the hill like that,
Speaker 3: in that spot.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of different spots that we've heard those
Speaker 1: things before. Yeah, but we've heard them up in there
Speaker 1: before for sure, in that little stretch above that top road.
Speaker 1: But I've also heard him below in the in the
Speaker 1: in the in the canyon, and Melissa's heard them several
Speaker 1: times over there on the other side of the orchard.
Speaker 3: Just go hamm it camp up there alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well I've been up there at night alone
Speaker 1: for uh good stretches of time, and the mountain beavers
Speaker 1: are really loud up there, oddly enough, and you can
Speaker 1: hear like chewing and doing stuff, and we're just pretty
Speaker 1: crazy up in there. It's a lot louder than I
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's also heard whoops also from the east
Speaker 1: as well, up in in those hills too, Like she said,
Speaker 1: I thought it was you, but you're out of town,
Speaker 1: you know anyway. Yeah, so maybe they're around, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 1: Bogo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Well, here is the next voice Mounts. This is a
Speaker 3: definitional question.
Speaker 6: Hey, Clan Hey, what's so prou it? This is great
Speaker 6: Generals and Spartanburg's South Carolina. I just wanted to ask
Speaker 6: a quick question. And by the way, I love the
Speaker 6: podcast and find the Big the Ship. I couldn't wait
Speaker 6: to watch it every week. But anyway, what things a
Speaker 6: trackway a trackway?
Speaker 2: Is it? How many prints or fate in distance or what?
Speaker 2: Just wonder? Thanks a lot, keep up the good works.
Speaker 2: Great question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, i'd say minimum is two.
Speaker 1: Otherwise it's just a track Yeah, trackway, I mean, I
Speaker 1: would say minimum of two, but I think a good
Speaker 1: solid trackway would have three to five or more.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. It's gotta be more
Speaker 2: because then you'd say there's prints, Like if there's two,
Speaker 2: you'd say that there are some prints, there's maybe two
Speaker 2: or three. There's a tracker. I'd say it's gotta be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like four, five, five or more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say trackway is probably I might go at
Speaker 1: least three for a trackway. Otherwise it's just track tracks.
Speaker 2: Trackway well, then you can, but I mean we follow
Speaker 2: that stuff a lot of times. We're like, you're pretty
Speaker 2: sure this is where it step next? And like it's
Speaker 2: a key. Like it's like it seems like that's the
Speaker 2: obvious way it went, that you don't see actual like
Speaker 2: Prince that you can discertainly make out this this and that,
Speaker 2: like you don't tell us heal that, like there'll just
Speaker 2: be disturbances like in the leaf litter or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might say, uh, I think for my personal definition,
Speaker 1: I would say three tracks, and they don't have to
Speaker 1: be consecutive because you can usually like you said, but
Speaker 1: you can usually tell where they stepped. There's you know,
Speaker 1: something's pushed down, or something's broken, or there's some disturbance
Speaker 1: in the ground. And I wouldn't say a disturbance in
Speaker 1: the ground is necessarily a track. But I think if
Speaker 1: you have a like three tracks and some marks in between,
Speaker 1: or even no marks in between for little while, I
Speaker 1: think that would for me at least, that would constitute
Speaker 1: a track way. But you know that's not always possible.
Speaker 1: I got a question somebody wrote me at the museum
Speaker 1: this past week and asked me the whole barrage of
Speaker 1: questions really, but one of the things he asked was,
Speaker 1: why don't you just follow them? Why don't you just
Speaker 1: follow the tracks? Until until you catch them or you know. Yah, Cliff, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. It's like, well, man, you don't. I'm just
Speaker 1: not that good of a tracker. I guess somebody could.
Speaker 3: You know, if you were a good enough tracker, you
Speaker 3: could backtrack it back to where it was born. One
Speaker 3: of those guys, one of the big guys. I won't
Speaker 3: call him out publicly, but it was a claim he
Speaker 3: made publicly, but said that, you know, if he had
Speaker 3: enough time, he could take any deer track and track
Speaker 3: it back to where it was born.
Speaker 1: Seems pretty boastful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think, you know, track way indicates that
Speaker 3: you're able to discern which way it was heading, So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think you'd need multiple tracks that showed you a
Speaker 3: direction of travel, which way it was heading, et cetera.
Speaker 3: So yeah, if you just had two prints, it could
Speaker 3: just be standing still to like side by side prints.
Speaker 3: So I would agree with Cliff's definition, you have multiple
Speaker 3: tracks that show a direction and a travel route.
Speaker 1: Should we hop onto the next question?
Speaker 3: Then let's do it. This is the last of the
Speaker 3: submitted voicemails, and then we'll go to the written questions.
Speaker 7: Do it high, Cliff, Bobo, ma Is Scott calling from the
Speaker 7: United Kingdom. My question is, have you ever considered using
Speaker 7: AI to predict the likely location of big foots based
Speaker 7: on known citing data. By inputting enough information into systems
Speaker 7: such as chat GPT, it should be able to provide
Speaker 7: potential research spots to stake out love the podcast Keep
Speaker 7: It Squatchy.
Speaker 2: I'd put money Maker over AI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen too many errors come out of AI
Speaker 1: to put any faith in that sort of thing. It'll
Speaker 1: give you an answer like it knew, it knew what
Speaker 1: it was talking about, But I don't know if I
Speaker 1: would trust it because I've seen, you know, I've seen
Speaker 1: some stuff that was obviously written by AI chock full
Speaker 1: of errors about things like the Patterson Gimlin film or
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, it's like, I know that's
Speaker 1: not real, but they say it with such authority that
Speaker 1: most people who didn't know it was real or are
Speaker 1: correct would would not doubt it. So I wouldn't do
Speaker 1: that with AI at all. But I also have different
Speaker 1: resources and everybody else. I know some of the best
Speaker 1: bigfooters around we have I have direct access to like Terrestrial,
Speaker 1: for example, who we had in the podcast a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago. I don't think I would need to
Speaker 1: look at the AI stuff, and maybe maybe it could
Speaker 1: points in the right direction, but I would still you know,
Speaker 1: it's like everything else with AI, especially at this point
Speaker 1: in the game. You know, you gotta double check to
Speaker 1: see if it even makes sense.
Speaker 2: Well, we know where they're are. I mean, we find
Speaker 2: them all the time. It doesn't mean you're gonna doesn't
Speaker 2: gonna change anything. It's like you still aren't gonna probably
Speaker 2: see him, like you might have had one at your
Speaker 2: house last night. You know, it's like, well, what did
Speaker 2: that do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 3: What we're using is not necessarily artificial intelligence. These are
Speaker 3: large language models. They're basically based on the statistical relationships
Speaker 3: between words and the web of associations around a given
Speaker 3: word or a set of words, or a phrase or
Speaker 3: a sentence or a paragraph, et cetera. So they're not thinking,
Speaker 3: they're not predicting things based on logic and reason. They're
Speaker 3: they're calculating the statistical relationship between words at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, and so they're still not going to
Speaker 3: be like great predict tools for assessing wildlife behavior, etc.
Speaker 3: Although they're very good at stringing together like a simulacrum
Speaker 3: of a statement. It will put together those words of
Speaker 3: these different arrangements, but it's still not going to be
Speaker 3: words of wisdom as much as they are words that
Speaker 3: are statistically likely to co occur. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: AI will get to the point where I know there's
Speaker 3: like deep thinking and deep reasoning, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: So there's different models now that are getting closer and
Speaker 3: closer to approximating that before deep research models. But for
Speaker 3: the most part, yeah, there's still just large language models
Speaker 3: that are based on these relationships and like a web
Speaker 3: of association around a word or a concept or a phrase.
Speaker 1: We know who'd be a good person to ask about
Speaker 1: this is a Derby or cut. Yeah, he's got a
Speaker 1: couple of projects that are utilizing AI to various degrees,
Speaker 1: and he's somewhat of an expert in all this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, and he certainly works with experts. And I
Speaker 1: happen to have had a conversation right before we went
Speaker 1: on the air with Darby. I'm going to be zooming
Speaker 1: into one of his class is next week that he
Speaker 1: teaches over at North Carolina State University, and talking about
Speaker 1: some big foot stuff with him. But and I said, well,
Speaker 1: when you're gonna come on the podcast again, Darbis and
Speaker 1: you know, and he goes, he's been sick the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but he is just about out of it,
Speaker 1: and he says he has some time next week, so
Speaker 1: we might be able to get Derby on at least
Speaker 1: for the interview as early as next week. And that
Speaker 1: would be an excellent question to ask Derby.
Speaker 3: Cool indeed, but that was a good question, So thank
Speaker 3: you for that, Scott. And let me grab some written
Speaker 3: submissions for you.
Speaker 1: Okay, Bobs, you can have the first one, by the way,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: This one comes from Clifford Rappola Clinton, Clinton, Clinton Roppolo.
Speaker 1: But you're always on my mind too, Bobo.
Speaker 2: How do your researchers determine the estimated population of Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: So they use reported sightings? If so, how can false
Speaker 2: reporting affect these numbers? Thanks for your time and keep
Speaker 2: it squathy, yah. This has been a big point of
Speaker 2: contention amongst researchers, is estimating the population, because so we
Speaker 2: will put it really hot low and other people put
Speaker 2: it really high. Cliff stuff that whole I mean, like,
Speaker 2: who was it Krafts can out at first? I guess
Speaker 2: about the three hundred bears or one hundred bears to
Speaker 2: one sasquatch. And I don't know if I buy all that.
Speaker 2: I think there's got to be at least ten thousand
Speaker 2: in North America, if not more.
Speaker 1: Then I think that doesn't that put it at ten
Speaker 1: one hundred to one, because like.
Speaker 3: There's roughly six hundred thousand black bears in North America.
Speaker 3: That's the like oblique rough.
Speaker 1: Estimate, okay, And that would put it six thousand sasquatches
Speaker 1: if it is one hundred to one. Now, doctor Krantz,
Speaker 1: of course, to my knowledge, he's the first person to
Speaker 1: put into print a guess where there's one hundred and
Speaker 1: one bears approximately. And I think that Krantz used ecological
Speaker 1: information for that, like how much food the land could produce,
Speaker 1: and it just kind of makes sense. And I think
Speaker 1: that's for a real rough number. I think that's reasonable.
Speaker 1: He said that there might be He put the estimated
Speaker 1: at about two thousand individual sasquatches in the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 1: but he did comment in his book that Bob Titmas
Speaker 1: would suggest there's probably twice that, maybe four thousand in
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, and Krantz does say he might be right.
Speaker 1: Don't know. There's very little information on which to actually
Speaker 1: base this.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know much about ecology, so I kind of
Speaker 1: just take the idea of like one hundred and one
Speaker 1: sounds reasonable because people smarter than me think that Doctor
Speaker 1: Meldrim thought maybe one hundred and fifty to two hundred
Speaker 1: bear for everyone sasquatch. But I used to think that
Speaker 1: there were a lot more sasquatches because I ran into
Speaker 1: him a few times and it was pretty convinced I
Speaker 1: was right and all this other stuff. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, what really toned down and made
Speaker 1: me guess the numbers more conservatively is by becoming familiar
Speaker 1: with the footprint data. As it turns out that a
Speaker 1: lot of the areas where multiple footprints have been discovered
Speaker 1: and cast, they seem to represent the same individual sasquatches,
Speaker 1: So that kind of gives at least a little bit
Speaker 1: of insight, a little bit of a window, though that
Speaker 1: window might be fogged up pretty good into how many
Speaker 1: sasquatches inhabit a certain area. Off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: the Bluff Creek region from fifty eight to about sixty
Speaker 1: seven when the film was gotten. I think that represents
Speaker 1: one pretty reasonable data set. A good number of casts
Speaker 1: came out of there, and you're probably looking at three
Speaker 1: individuals in that area. One of those individuals might have
Speaker 1: been down in high id Palm with another medium sized individual,
Speaker 1: probably a female. That's interesting, Okay, so maybe that sheds
Speaker 1: some light into social structure and how they overlap or something.
Speaker 1: If you look at the Blue Mountain evidence. I'm still
Speaker 1: becoming more familiar with that all the time, now that
Speaker 1: I have a vast majority of the original cast in
Speaker 1: my possession, and I'm discovering that there's a maybe four
Speaker 1: individuals five into That's one of the problems I'm going
Speaker 1: to try to get at this winter time is really
Speaker 1: counting how many individuals do I think I have there?
Speaker 1: I think five off the top of my head, and
Speaker 1: that's from eighty two to about year two thousand a
Speaker 1: little less. We have the Tom Shay information from northern Kentucky.
Speaker 1: We have the work that I've been doing out in
Speaker 1: my research spots. I have three research spots. One has
Speaker 1: yielded almost no footprints, have like three footprints over the
Speaker 1: last five or six years. But another spot has yielded
Speaker 1: probably two dozen footprints. Are more then they seem to
Speaker 1: represent three individuals in that area, So anyway you smell
Speaker 1: what I'm stepping in here. So we don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of data on which to base these kinds of guesses.
Speaker 1: But I think that by going out and gathering more
Speaker 1: footprint evidence, I think that we can just have a
Speaker 1: little bit more insight into the numbers, the territory, the range,
Speaker 1: the social structure, and so much more about these animals.
Speaker 1: But then I probably want to collaborate with an ecologist
Speaker 1: who understands that side of things a lot better than
Speaker 1: I do, because that's something I know almost nothing about.
Speaker 1: But how do we even start to get a grasp
Speaker 1: on the ecology of a sasquatch, you know, and his
Speaker 1: food needs and where it's going and stuff. I guess
Speaker 1: the only way to do it is doing what we're doing,
Speaker 1: getting prints and seeing what that information that yields.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That guy open in Canada that has, you know,
Speaker 2: spoken to government officials, he says are aware of it.
Speaker 2: Say that between not counting BC, but from Alberta to Ontario,
Speaker 2: they there's six thousand, which seems reasonable.
Speaker 3: Canada is a big place, man, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of forest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think a safe number for continent wide
Speaker 1: is five to ten thousand. It might be a lot
Speaker 1: more than that, but five to ten thousand seems like
Speaker 1: a reasonable guess.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's other five is not even close.
Speaker 2: I think ten's close, and it could be very well
Speaker 2: could be more than that.
Speaker 1: Even Yeah, there's a lot of empty land up there
Speaker 1: in Canada.
Speaker 2: It'll be it'll be this. These are one of those things.
Speaker 2: I just can't wait to find out what the what
Speaker 2: the real deal is on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to help a lot, especially once DNA
Speaker 1: evidence is obtained. Because the DNA evidence I imagine, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing here again, good question for Darby. Had to
Speaker 1: get that gun quick. We could probably see relationships between
Speaker 1: the various individuals, and that might give us some more
Speaker 1: insight into how, you know, how far the gene pool
Speaker 1: has spread, so to speak, you know, and that would
Speaker 1: probably give some light at least on the population number.
Speaker 2: Oh so interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, this would be a good question
Speaker 3: for Derby. But I think if you had a fully
Speaker 3: sequenced genome from an individual in let's say, BC and
Speaker 3: one in Georgia or Florida, because those are pretty far
Speaker 3: apart that if you had the full genome sequence for
Speaker 3: both of those individuals, you could tell how many generations
Speaker 3: had passed. But like the divergence between those two, you know,
Speaker 3: like assuming that the progenitor population would be closer to
Speaker 3: the Northwest if they came from Asia, how many generations
Speaker 3: it took to spread, you know, across the what's now
Speaker 3: the United States and down to the southeast. So yeah,
Speaker 3: you'd be able to tell probably a good bit about
Speaker 3: population just from those two data points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would thinks. So it makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: right indeed, But we will have to ask Darby, Oh Darby,
Speaker 1: where art thou stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond
Speaker 1: with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: But here is the next question for you, a chance
Speaker 3: for Cliff to deliver some good news.
Speaker 1: This question comes from Mike Carey. Not that we need
Speaker 1: any more entertainment and knowledge outside of y'all, but have
Speaker 1: you thought about an episode where your ladies chime in
Speaker 1: with stories with the Bigfooter, their thoughts on the topic,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 3: Tell them the good news.
Speaker 2: We've done it.
Speaker 1: The good news is that we do that already every
Speaker 1: fourth or every Valentine's Day? And is it for members only?
Speaker 1: Is for everybody?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: I can't remember there for the pigeons, we've done that
Speaker 3: for two Valentine's Days in a row and they're very
Speaker 3: popular episodes, very well received, and so that's that's the
Speaker 3: place to find those. We call them the significant others.
Speaker 3: So there's the Significant Others Part one and two and
Speaker 3: then three will be coming up in Valentine's Day of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's so great.
Speaker 3: You get a lot of insight into Bobo and his
Speaker 3: cooking habits, his particular recipes. I don't even want to
Speaker 3: spoil it here because but you definitely want to know
Speaker 3: about pasta al Bobo.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe that'd be an opportunity for us
Speaker 1: to run a rerun and take a week off someday
Speaker 1: and we put that on the regular episode on run
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe take the twenty twenty four one. Yeah, throw
Speaker 3: it out for the main listeners. Yeah we will. I'll
Speaker 3: make a note of that here. We'll do that for
Speaker 3: the Valentine's season for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give a little treat for the people who either
Speaker 1: can't afford or don't care enough to join the Pigeon hood.
Speaker 3: But they are good episodes. They're very popular, and the
Speaker 3: entirety of the episodes for Mike and for all the
Speaker 3: other listeners if you're not Pigeons, the whole episode is like,
Speaker 3: we just asked the members what questions they have for
Speaker 3: the significant others, and they post them and we pitch
Speaker 3: them to the ladies. So it's just all member questions,
Speaker 3: so we're not driving the conversation. We're just sitting there
Speaker 3: and cringing as we're being described to the pigeons accurately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Buba's the only one who really hates that episode.
Speaker 3: But they turned out great. They were super funny. Bobo
Speaker 3: was laughing, Buba had a lot of great one liners.
Speaker 3: They were they were very positive.
Speaker 2: I don't know see that happening this year.
Speaker 3: Are you in the doghouse or should I say the
Speaker 3: cat house the cadio the CaTiO, right, But I thought
Speaker 3: that would be good for Mike to know as well
Speaker 3: as any other regular listeners that those episodes do exist,
Speaker 3: and yeah, find them at the link in the show notes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can go back and listen to all
Speaker 1: of the previous members episodes. I'd say, join for a
Speaker 1: month and just do nothing but sit next to the
Speaker 1: podcast machine and listen and get caught up.
Speaker 3: There are a great mini.
Speaker 1: Quit your job, isolate yourself in a room and listen
Speaker 1: to all how many episodes? How many member episodes? Now,
Speaker 1: am met?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Got two hundred? We've done a lot.
Speaker 1: That is for sure, more than you can shake a
Speaker 1: stick at.
Speaker 3: So there is a familiar name for bobo. Oh.
Speaker 2: Let's see who we got. Susan Fenner check, Hello, Susanne,
Speaker 2: one of our most loyal pigeons. Cucku coo. Haven't even
Speaker 2: heard of someone seeing a sasquatch hit a tree to
Speaker 2: make a knock You three are my heroes. Well, thank you,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I've talked. I've never seen it, but I've
Speaker 2: talked to several people that have seen. Yeah, that have
Speaker 2: seen them. To them, So they were trying to knock
Speaker 2: raccoons out of trees, like separate. These are both on
Speaker 2: the East coast. So they saw a big foot with
Speaker 2: a big branch bashing a tree in the tree like
Speaker 2: shaking violently, and a raccoon was getting shook up real
Speaker 2: better than the raccoon eventually just jumped out and the
Speaker 2: squash right over and snatched it.
Speaker 3: There's a great report from Colorado from an elk hunter
Speaker 3: who claimed to have seen one bashing a tree with
Speaker 3: a very big branch, almost like a small log So
Speaker 3: I'll find that BFRO report and put that link in
Speaker 3: the show notes.
Speaker 1: And I think I've heard one or two. I think
Speaker 1: two over the years. They heard the Knox they win
Speaker 1: the direction, and I remember one guy saw the sasquatch
Speaker 1: holding the stick or something. And I might have heard
Speaker 1: one of those raccoon ones. Oddly enough, I remember something.
Speaker 1: Maybe I was with Bobo when the story.
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, yeah, we heard that it was something like
Speaker 2: a cat or something like a bob cat on top
Speaker 2: of a tree, just the bottom of the trees, just
Speaker 2: like bam bam, I'm bam yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think the guy came around through the woods
Speaker 1: or whatever, and that there was a sasquatch, you know,
Speaker 1: with the tree and holding a logos or something like that.
Speaker 1: And of course we heard that the cat and the
Speaker 1: banging noise up at Basin Golds at one time with
Speaker 1: the ams too. Remember that he's.
Speaker 2: Got that recorded. I've been telling him for years to
Speaker 2: find out recording, but he never found it. I thought
Speaker 2: for sure I was going to see when that morning,
Speaker 2: because I took off. I just I just got up
Speaker 2: and ran. I went around the went down this one
Speaker 2: crik and then came around the draw and I was
Speaker 2: and it stopped maybe five things before I crested the hill,
Speaker 2: and I had my camcorder rolling. It was like some
Speaker 2: running up. It stopped and there was just nothing there.
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well you think you get There's only two
Speaker 3: more written submissions. If you guys want to tackle those.
Speaker 1: Let's do it, okay. This one comes from Chris Green. Greetings, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: coo coo, I am interested in purchasing one of Cliff's
Speaker 1: footprint cast duplicates. Which one do you suggest? Which one
Speaker 1: is most impressive as far as size or detail? Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: I love the show here for well. Grace Harbor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Grace Harbor. I don't sell the Hereford cast because I
Speaker 1: don't have Dennis's permission.
Speaker 2: I mean I met Grace Harbor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do need to write Dennis though, and
Speaker 1: I kind of know him. He was gracious enough to
Speaker 1: offer me an afternoon of interviews with him. Didn't we
Speaker 1: play that on the podcast too.
Speaker 3: Mat That was on the members only show. So if
Speaker 3: people want to hear that interview, if they become a
Speaker 3: member of the Honorary Pigeons, they'll get that as well.
Speaker 1: Very good. Yeah, so yeah, I needed to reach out
Speaker 1: to Dennis. But anyway, I do have another cast that
Speaker 1: I have rights to sell from that same trackway. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I mean, choosing one cast is
Speaker 1: really hard. People ask me, what's your favorite cast?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but for size and detail, man, like the Grace
Speaker 3: Harbor trackway. You know, that's a bigfoot and they're very
Speaker 3: detailed prints because that's it was pretty perfect and they
Speaker 3: were expertly cast. That's kind of hard to beat that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the best one.
Speaker 1: It is, But I mean you're you're talking to a
Speaker 1: kind of a cast nerd, you know it is. That's
Speaker 1: a fifteen inch track, so that's a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1: But you know, wrinkle Foot, Wrinklefoot is a fourteen inch track.
Speaker 1: And now that I have the originals right and I
Speaker 1: also have I think I think Krantz made the mold,
Speaker 1: but I could be wrong, but it definitely krants are
Speaker 1: meldrum silastic mold, and these silastic molds are awesome. I
Speaker 1: make my molds out of latex, but selastic is just
Speaker 1: an amazing substance and the details are astonishing in these casts.
Speaker 1: So now on the NABC, they're online right now, you
Speaker 1: can go buy them right now. The NABC is offering
Speaker 1: first generation casts, first generation duplicates of the wrinkle Foot cast,
Speaker 1: and they are ninety percent, actually more than that, ninety
Speaker 1: eight ninety nine percent identical to the originals. It's ridiculous
Speaker 1: how much detailed these particular molds have because the Wrinkles
Speaker 1: that I was selling before the rinkle When I say wrinkles,
Speaker 1: I mean wrinkle Foot. It's what we kind of nicknamed
Speaker 1: this individual who was very, very present in the data
Speaker 1: set from about eighty to ninety ish ninety one. Maybe
Speaker 1: somewhere in there, the wrinkle Foot individual that like the
Speaker 1: previous copies that I had that I made molds of,
Speaker 1: it's night and day. It's just night and day. There's
Speaker 1: no comparison. You could see some of the skin detail
Speaker 1: and stuff like that on the old ones, but the
Speaker 1: new ones are spectacular. There's a lot of water striations
Speaker 1: on them, but there's also dramatical ethics in these things.
Speaker 1: And in fact, that's something I was doing today too.
Speaker 1: I was perusing some of the some of the Freeman stuff,
Speaker 1: and I was particularly looking at some casts from November third,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven. There was a trackway discovered. I think
Speaker 1: this one is on Indian Ridge. It could be wrong,
Speaker 1: which is right, just shy a Tiger Canyon in that
Speaker 1: general area. But I think about five footprints were obtained
Speaker 1: at this at this particular site, at this particular trackway,
Speaker 1: and four of them have very clear domaticglyphics, and the
Speaker 1: fifth one also has it, but they're faint. It's ridiculous
Speaker 1: that the stuff that is in this data set is astonishing.
Speaker 1: And I will say that despite Rover Krantz's book and
Speaker 1: doctor Meldrum's book Singing the Praises of the Blue Mountain
Speaker 1: evidence both times, in my opinion it falls short of
Speaker 1: what is actually worthwhile singing the Praises of because the
Speaker 1: Blue Mountain stuff is astonishing, and in fact, that November third,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven trackway is Wrinklefoot. It's that same animal,
Speaker 1: and it's just astonishing, it really is. But I don't know. So, Yeah, Chris,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I started to thinking about casts, and you know,
Speaker 1: when I started thinking about cast my mouth is open.
Speaker 1: There there's a vomit of information coming out. But I
Speaker 1: will say that Gray's Harbor is a great cast. But
Speaker 1: when people say what's your favorite cast? Cli if I
Speaker 1: my response is which one of your kids is your favorite?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 3: Well, I can put links to both of those casts
Speaker 3: from the NABC store in the show notes, So Chris,
Speaker 3: if you want to click them both and make a
Speaker 3: decision or maybe order both, but I'll make sure that
Speaker 3: those links are in the show notes so that listeners
Speaker 3: can see what we're talking about as well. So here
Speaker 3: is the last question, and it's a fun one to
Speaker 3: end on since it's a little different.
Speaker 2: See Francis Brown, what was your first concert? Mine was
Speaker 2: Kansas in nineteen seventy five for the Mask Store.
Speaker 3: Francis, in an earlier email, also told me that he
Speaker 3: saw Queen on the Game tour at the Philly Spectrum,
Speaker 3: which is pretty badass. So what was it, Bobs? What
Speaker 3: was the very first one?
Speaker 2: I guess Kiss Destroyer?
Speaker 1: They okay, they were the headliner, but did somebody open?
Speaker 3: I don't remember how old were you?
Speaker 2: I think I was ten or eleven.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: My friend went for a buddy's birthday president. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then I seen saw John Denver with another friend's parents
Speaker 2: took us. I got to get tag along because like
Speaker 2: the guy's sister couldn't go, so I tagged along. And
Speaker 2: then the first gig I saw that was like not
Speaker 2: like one of those, but like like when I saw
Speaker 2: like with my like I didn't go with the parent
Speaker 2: was Black Flag at Pollywog Park after a little league game.
Speaker 2: We had a little league game and then Black Flag
Speaker 2: was playing on the either side of the park. We
Speaker 2: went over there and watched a riot break out. John
Speaker 2: Denver wasn't too wasn't too exciting, but he was cool.
Speaker 1: I just did a quick search Bobs and I said,
Speaker 1: who opened for Kiss and Destroyer to already get? And
Speaker 1: the answer was Bob Seeger and the Silver Bullet Band
Speaker 1: was the most frequent opening act for Kiss on the
Speaker 1: Destroyer tour, appearing on many dates in nineteen seventy six,
Speaker 1: although other bands like Ted Nugent, Montrose, Jay Giles, Point Blank,
Speaker 1: and Cheap Trick also opened for some shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly don't remember that.
Speaker 1: None of those ring a bell for you.
Speaker 2: No we might we might not even have we might
Speaker 2: not even have got there in time for the opener.
Speaker 3: All of those make sense to me, except for Bob Seeker.
Speaker 3: That's a weird bill. What about you, Cliff? Who was
Speaker 3: the first concert you saw? Oh?
Speaker 1: I went with my brother to the Hollywood Palladium and
Speaker 1: the Romantics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, classic, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the opener was Wang Chun Oh classic, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: It was pretty awesome. It was pretty awesome. And then
Speaker 1: just two weeks later, three like a month, less than
Speaker 1: a month, I think it was only two weeks later.
Speaker 1: My second concert was still one of my favorite bands ever,
Speaker 1: Sparks at the Greek Theater, and this strange unknown band
Speaker 1: called the Red Hot Chili Peppers opened up for them,
Speaker 1: and the Chili Peppers were like booed, nobody knew what
Speaker 1: to do with those guys, crazy, totally funny. It was
Speaker 1: like eighty four. And then I caught the bug and
Speaker 1: started going to a lot of concerts. At the time.
Speaker 1: Of course, I couldn't drive at the time, so it
Speaker 1: didn't help me, you know, but right, and.
Speaker 2: You didn't know how to are now.
Speaker 1: My brother, like my brother at that time, loved to
Speaker 1: go see live bands and he still does. He goes
Speaker 1: some more shows than most anybody I know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he would take me to places if he
Speaker 1: didn't have his friends going or something. I hadn't next
Speaker 1: to take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The first show I saw was a nine nine X.
Speaker 3: The big rock radio station in Atlanta used to do
Speaker 3: a one day festival called Big Day Out, and so
Speaker 3: the first concert I ever went to was a Big
Speaker 3: Day Out in ninety seven. So it was like Local
Speaker 3: h Mighty Mighty, Boss Tones, the Offspring, and food Fighters
Speaker 3: with the headliner.
Speaker 2: Oh that'd be fun.
Speaker 3: Oh, it was great. It was. I was a huge
Speaker 3: food Fighters fan, especially those first three records, So it
Speaker 3: was on the tour of that second record of There
Speaker 3: It's the Color in the Shape, and it was amazing.
Speaker 3: It was great see all those bands in one place.
Speaker 3: Super cool.
Speaker 2: I saw food Fighters very first concert they played up
Speaker 2: here and Humble they did the Blues Bar, this little
Speaker 2: dive bar in Arcada. I saw Pat Smeir at the
Speaker 2: Burrito Shop and I was like, dude, wait, Pat. He's
Speaker 2: like yeah, Like, oh dude, what are you doing up here?
Speaker 2: And he's like, I'm playing with Grol and we're gonna
Speaker 2: play you know, we're playing a show. Don't don't tell him.
Speaker 2: It's a secret show. And I called a couple of
Speaker 2: people and other people started like other people started hearing
Speaker 2: about it, and it got packed fast. But it was rad.
Speaker 2: It was yeah, seeing the Foods do their first live concert.
Speaker 3: I remember you told me about that, and I guess
Speaker 3: there's I don't know if there's video of it, but
Speaker 3: there's definitely articles about it online about that being the
Speaker 3: very first show. Because I always wondered if you ever
Speaker 3: ran into Pat Smeir, I almost asked you. We had
Speaker 3: Sean Parker on the other day and on the members
Speaker 3: episode he was talking about Howard the Duck and it
Speaker 3: reminded me because Pat Smear is in that movie.
Speaker 2: Oh it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like a teenager or something like that.
Speaker 1: That is funny.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I came in the night after I was doing some
Speaker 1: cast stuff and Melissa was watching Was it Terrifier three?
Speaker 1: You know either of you know that movie? Nope, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's that Uh, it's that clown that has black
Speaker 1: and white makeup and he's kind of the frontman of
Speaker 1: the the of the gig, you know, like Freddie cru
Speaker 1: would beat or something. So and then it's basically gore
Speaker 1: porn is what it is, and just like over the
Speaker 1: top gore and it's not necessarily overtly sexuals and not
Speaker 1: that kind of porn or whatever, but it's like gory
Speaker 1: to the extreme for the sake of being extreme gore.
Speaker 1: And they're kind of funny at the same time or whatever.
Speaker 1: And Bryce Johnson was in it. Oh really, yeah, Bryce
Speaker 1: Johnson was a play played a part. Of course. Then
Speaker 1: everybody knows him. He's one of the folks on Expedition Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's an actor, of course, and that's what
Speaker 1: he does for a living. And he was in that movie.
Speaker 1: And she goes, oh, look at that. And of course
Speaker 1: he'll be at Crypticon in a couple of weeks here,
Speaker 1: so I get to get to ask him about doing that.
Speaker 3: So is it forru indeed? Should we go answer questions
Speaker 3: for the pigeons?
Speaker 2: Coo?
Speaker 3: I'll take that as a yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, folks. That's another Q and A for
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