WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.320 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so light share, subscribe and 3 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:13.240 raid it. 4 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:22.600 Lip Story and Righteous on Yesterday and listening watching Limb 5 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:28.879 always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berkman 6 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:30.399 and James Boobo Fay. 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.719 Hello, Bubbo, what's happening? Man? 8 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.399 Oh? I just got back in from a little hike. 9 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:37.000 Nice. Where'd you go? 10 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:40.039 There's a trailer goes kind of I never really use 11 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:42.759 it until just this year, but it goes from like 12 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:44.399 we're two nine and one on one coming there and 13 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.799 it connects up it goes like behind the mills and stuff, 14 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:50.320 and then it goes up into as like industrial zone 15 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:53.000 and it goes up into the community forest that's behind 16 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.640 Arcada and Humboldt stayed up there. I think it's like 17 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:58.719 sevente hunderd acre red with community forest. It's it's nice, 18 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:01.520 you know, it's all ferns and I was sick of 19 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:04.640 spruce and stuff, and so my buddy Aloy were like 20 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:08.319 walking up in there and it's like blowing twenty five knots, overcast, 21 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:10.920 gray like on and off showers, kind of cold wind, 22 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:14.840 blowing really dark and grounded underneath the canopy, you know. 23 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:18.000 And so we're walking up and we're coming around the 24 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:21.400 corner stres he's like two beautiful girls, like early twenties, 25 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:23.599 like college, you know, girls that were like look like 26 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.000 like the kind of hot chicks at Burning Man you see, 27 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:29.439 you know, like they're all like look like they're like 28 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:31.000 festival girls, you know, like. 29 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:32.719 The kind that you can pretty much bet would know 30 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:36.480 how to hula hoop and perhaps naked, sure, yeah, naked 31 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:37.640 hula hoopers and perhaps yeah. 32 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:39.879 And they were like they like just like shocked that 33 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:41.439 we were like came walking and like it's a pretty 34 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:44.079 used trail, Like they're like, it's I was shocked how 35 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:45.640 crowded it is. Like every time I go out there's 36 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.640 like people on it. And uh, I've been going with 37 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:50.480 a like a couple times a week, like three, four 38 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:53.000 times a week late the last couple of weeks, and 39 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:55.159 I feel bad he because like he looks like he 40 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.560 just got paroled. You remember, awboys, my buddy's like covered 41 00:01:57.560 --> 00:01:59.319 in tattoos. He's like my size. 42 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:01.560 I think I remember him, but god, there's just so 43 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:04.879 many people I've met, and you know, my memory is 44 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:05.480 so squishy. 45 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:07.159 He was rocking with us when we went to Willow 46 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.960 Creek the movie Oh the will. 47 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:12.439 Oh that guy, Okay, sure, yeah, yeah you've been. 48 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:13.879 Him a few other times at my house and stuff. 49 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.240 But yeah, he's just super nice guy. But he just 50 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:17.840 looks like I mean, he's got like tattoos on his 51 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:19.960 head and shaved head and all. I mean, he looks 52 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.400 he looks straight like prison gang guy. But you know 53 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:26.080 he's not at all. But so we go walking up there, dude, 54 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:28.919 like we'll be walking to the like, uh, women will 55 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:31.319 see us and just turn around, like just start like 56 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:33.759 jogging like they'll be walking. The'll turn around, like start 57 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:38.400 jogging fast the opposite direction. Like we feel back like 58 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.639 we're ruining all these women's hikes out there. So today 59 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:44.039 we come around the corners, these two beautiful like you know, 60 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:47.439 like twenty two year old girls changing like getting dressed 61 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:50.960 on the on the trail walk. Like I was like, oh, well, 62 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:52.879 like we're right on top of him already, so as 63 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.680 we'll just go past and so like you if I 64 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.840 like it's like in Humble and you'll come as crossing 65 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:00.879 like nad once and while like swimming or at the 66 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:03.039 beach or something, you know, like I'll walk up and 67 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:04.919 like if I walk up all like some chicks are 68 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:07.639 changing or naked and all, just like you know, clear 69 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:09.599 my throat or cough and like kind of give a 70 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:12.120 little nod and just turn around and wait, like give 71 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.240 them time to get whatever dressed or out of the way, 72 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:17.759 whatever they want to do. And so it was like 73 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.240 kind of like, well, we're right on top of them, 74 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:21.680 and they were pretty much dressed. They're getting dressed. They're 75 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:24.639 like pretty covered up, but they were looked all shocked 76 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:26.639 and all like like, oh my god, there's people out here, 77 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:30.280 like they couldn't believe it. We guys swimming because they're 78 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:31.800 all wet when it was raining. But first of that, 79 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:33.680 they're all wet because it's raining. I'm like, now then 80 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.560 they got towels and stuff like like the one chick's 81 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.280 like putting on a bikini top whatever, and I'm like, 82 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:41.360 are you guys swimming in that creek because it's like 83 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.840 six to eighteen inches deep and it's like muddy and 84 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:52.120 uh like like we're just cold plunged, and I'm like, oh, 85 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.639 this this is toxic waste. Like this creek's been like 86 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:58.800 a major toxics like cleanup spot for years, like I 87 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:01.080 want to might want a better you know. It's like 88 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:04.080 right next to the mills, a bunch of logging right 89 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:06.159 up the stream, like a quarter a half mile out. 90 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.759 There's times of logging going on, and you can see 91 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:11.319 where these guys had took in their their heavy equipment 92 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.120 like the caterpillars. And just because that's what I mean, 93 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.079 I used to log you, I've seen guys they just 94 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.319 they don't bring the they don't bring the equipment into 95 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.199 the shop to change the oil. They just unscrew it 96 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:24.319 and just dump the oil out there, you know, and 97 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.839 then just change the filter and put in the plug 98 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:29.639 and fill it back up. They don't take it in 99 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:32.959 a change. It's like we just dosed two days ago 100 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:35.160 we went hiking up there that they had changed the 101 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:37.639 oil on the land. Two different lanes. They had changed 102 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:40.120 the oil on these skidders and loaders and stuff, and 103 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:42.560 there was just oil dripping down everyone. Like those girls 104 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:44.879 were swimming down on that or whatever, cold plunging in that. 105 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.160 I was just like, oh man, he felt to be young. 106 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:52.160 When we first walked out, I was like, well, this 107 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:53.879 is like for like it it wasn't even like a 108 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:55.480 tenth of a second that's all played out my mind 109 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:57.279 about the tenth of a second, like, oh, there's two 110 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:59.399 of us. We're too cool guys, too hot shakes like yeah, 111 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:01.759 we get along great, like yeah, let's see what's up. 112 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.399 And then like like it's like, oh no, no, we're 113 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:05.839 just old creepy dews on the trail. 114 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.839 Yeah, the old creepy kind of scary guys on the trail. Right, 115 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.199 it's hard to remember that you're not bad anymore, or 116 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:15.040 we're not bad anymore. Perhaps, I don't know. 117 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.120 Well, it just takes like a like it's like that, 118 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.079 it's like that thought to say that thought takes like 119 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:22.959 several seconds, but that in my mind, it's like happens 120 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:24.920 all I can less than a tenth of a second. 121 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:27.680 You know. I've spoken to a lot of elderly people 122 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.680 and they say I feel the same, except my body doesn't, 123 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:32.959 you know, Like I on the inside of my brain, 124 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:35.040 I'm the same guy or Galla or whatever, but uh, 125 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.399 you know, on the outside, you know, my body just 126 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:40.600 doesn't work as well. So oh, to be old, to 127 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:41.160 be young. 128 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.079 Yeah, I with created. On Halloween, we went to go 129 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:46.519 see this dead cover bewnd there really really dude, they're 130 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.079 really good, like act like some of the best, like 131 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:52.920 they're like dark Star Orchestra level, and uh we went 132 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:54.480 there and it was just funny watching like all the 133 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:56.720 old hipnies like you're like god of Like they like 134 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:59.439 they look like they're like some are using walkers and stuff. 135 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.639 They're all those crazy hippie dances and stuff like just 136 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:05.639 really slow and it was like, yeah, like they still 137 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:07.600 like I think it's like nineteen sixty eight. They're like, 138 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:10.360 you know, dancing. They're like, we're. 139 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:12.879 Still cool, you know, like oh yeah, And of course 140 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:15.439 they're all bummed out because Donna died this week, as 141 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:16.160 you know, Donna gotcha. 142 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.399 Oh yeah, I just thought today as she died. I 143 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:19.600 don't think everyone's bummed. 144 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:22.920 Everybody's but there has been. I mean, I guess we 145 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:24.720 should probably take a few moments and talk about this. 146 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:26.279 I mean, this is a Q and A episode just 147 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.079 for the people who are listening. But we'll get around 148 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:30.639 to that eventually. But there's a lot of other things 149 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:32.279 to talk about, so maybe we'll kind of be under 150 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.439 that direction here. But the Angel of Death has been 151 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.839 visiting the Bigfoot community. I know, we should probably be 152 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:40.920 painting blood above our doors or whatever. You have to 153 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:45.480 do to avoid this. But this is insane, the amount 154 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:50.240 of bigfooters who have been passing away since Doctor Meldrum. 155 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:52.879 He was the vanguard. He was he was pushing the envelope. 156 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:54.879 He's the guy that did it first. He's he checked 157 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.199 out way back in early September, September ninth. But I 158 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:01.480 mean so that we talked about that on the podcast. 159 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.040 Everybody knows that by now that doctor Meldrum has checked out. 160 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:06.800 We gave a good tip of the hat. Scott Violette 161 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.319 of course, good friend and he's on the podcast before, 162 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:13.199 and good researcher and just a nice general generally rad dude, 163 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:17.040 super nice guy. I love the guy. Jane Goodall of 164 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:20.519 course checked out. Now I didn't know Jane Goodall personally. 165 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:22.279 We talked about her in the podcast, of course, but 166 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:24.240 we kind of claimed her as our own. I think 167 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:27.240 that's appropriate. We'll take what we can get, and we 168 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:29.800 had one of the best right there, Jane Goodall. You 169 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.879 know I did mention my friend Jeff Wally, of course. 170 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:34.839 I learned about Wally on the way back from a 171 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:37.480 funeral of one of my best friends. Wally was a 172 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:39.319 huge blow. He's a good friend of both of us. 173 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.560 And then see that that's four just bigfooters. And then 174 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:48.680 of course what was the next one? Was it Bill Green? 175 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:50.800 It was Fair and Lach and then Green. 176 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:54.399 Oh that's right, yeah, Farren and Baca of course doctor 177 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:58.360 farren Bach, who did a pioneering work on possible sasquatch 178 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:02.040 hair samples. He was involved in scookom cast stuff. And 179 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:06.279 then the course Green, not John Green, but Bill Green, 180 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:08.360 who a lot of I don't think a lot of 181 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:11.319 new people would really know who John Green is or 182 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:14.439 I mean Bill Green, what was is? Of course a 183 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:17.959 lot of new people may not know who Fahrenbach was, right, yeah, 184 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.360 which is a cry in shame, because he was another 185 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.079 one of the PhDs that was interested in the subject. 186 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:25.560 When Bigfoot first one on the internet. You knew who 187 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:27.759 Bill Green was if you were on like ten years ago, 188 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.920 fifteen years ago, Yeah you knew. 189 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.320 Yeah, yeah, exactly like if you're I guess an old timer. 190 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.559 Now if you were aware of sasquatches in the early 191 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:40.080 two thousands, which makes you an old timer, I guess, yeah, 192 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:42.240 you knew who Bill Green was because he was everywhere. 193 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.799 He was on all the forums he was on like 194 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.120 he did like commenting on blogs all the time. 195 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:49.320 He was a regular on a podcast like one of 196 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.360 the first podcasts. 197 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:51.600 Do you know which one? 198 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:55.200 Well? But mean four who wasn't prove it? He was 199 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.279 on all the time. He was like a mainstak like host. 200 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:01.480 I don't remember host, but I do remember he would 201 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:04.200 call in to every single blog talk radio show and 202 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:06.600 he would always be in the chat. And so some 203 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:08.440 of the early blog talk shows I was on, he 204 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:10.840 would call in on. But everyone that I would listen to, 205 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:12.879 they'd be like, oh, we're going to take a few 206 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:15.480 calls from the chat, and it would always be we've 207 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:18.240 got Bill Green calling in. And so, yeah, he was 208 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.639 very active in the online See. I think he had 209 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:23.440 some kind of like a whether it was a newsletter 210 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:25.960 or some kind of like a club like a mail 211 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:29.360 in or write in club or communication or something of 212 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.559 that nature. If I'm not mistaken. He was kind of 213 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.639 a mysterious guy. I didn't know a whole lot about him, 214 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:36.399 but everyone knew him and who he was. 215 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.159 Yeah, there's a character. 216 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.200 Before Facebook, it was basically you know, you know, the 217 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:47.519 Bigfoot forums. It was kind of the dominant online resource 218 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:49.799 for sasquatches, and they're still out there. Plugging away doing 219 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:50.720 bigfoot forum stuff. 220 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.399 There. There was bigfoot forms there, there was a forum 221 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:56.519 on cryptozoology dot com, and then there was the comment 222 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.600 section of Cryptomundo that was about it. 223 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.879 Ye yeah, yeah. And of course now everybody and their 224 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:04.120 mother has their own Facebook page and whatever else. But 225 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:05.440 back in the day, if you were on any of 226 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.919 those things, you know who Bill Green was. I always 227 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:09.759 had good interactions with him. We would called him on 228 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:11.799 the road because didn't he live in the northeast somewhere, Bob, 229 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:12.360 what do you remember? 230 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:13.519 Connecticut? 231 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:16.279 Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, we called him on the road 232 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:17.519 to see if he wanted to come to the town 233 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:18.679 hall or do something like that. 234 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.120 Yeah, we invited in a couple with you. We invited 235 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:24.600 in a Connecticut town hall in Jersey and then another one. 236 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:26.759 We'd call him. He'd be all still because he lived 237 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:29.600 in that home, so he couldn't really, he wasn't too much. 238 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:32.720 I don't think he could drive or anything. He was 239 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:34.120 always stoked to he was always in a good mood. 240 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:36.039 And I was like, yeah, okay, let me know what's 241 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.039 going on. I mean, know there's any sightings or anything new. 242 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:38.480 Let me know. 243 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:44.120 You're very positive, very positive. Yeah, And yeah, just all 244 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:47.840 these people, and you can't forget Frank. Oh my god, Yeah, 245 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:49.600 but I knew I was missing one, says here a county. 246 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:51.799 There were seven Frank Canischer died. 247 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:54.279 Jeez, can't even keep track. 248 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.000 Frank was researching some of the same areas I research. 249 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:00.799 On a regular basis. We would share notes. We would like, Hey, 250 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.519 look at this cast I got today. Oh really, where 251 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.679 was that? And that guy is another one of these 252 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:11.039 unsung heroes of Bigfoot Man. He was actually in the 253 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:15.279 game since nineteen eighty six. I believe how was he 254 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.879 when he passed like fifty seven or something. 255 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:20.480 Oh that's terrible. 256 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:23.879 Yeah, but yeah, Frank and Easter and then so let 257 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.679 me seeing Frank's praises just for a few moments. I 258 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:28.159 can't believe I forgot about that, but I knew I 259 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.120 was missing one. Thank you, Thank you, Matt. I appreciate that. 260 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:34.919 So everybody knows who Jim Hugh Cain is. I think 261 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:37.639 he was a wildlife biologist here in Oregon. I think 262 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:39.480 he lived up in Saint Helen's, Oregon on the river 263 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:42.200 there and he would look into bigfoot stuff. He hit 264 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:47.799 him and his partner Jack Jack. Please, Matt, help me 265 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:52.320 out Sullivan, Yeah, Jack Sullivan. Yeah. Jim Hukin and Jack 266 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.440 Sullivan were like kind of partners in crime. I guess 267 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:56.000 in a way that they would go out and investigate 268 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.159 Bigfoot Stuffy. Jim Hukin being a while my biologists published 269 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:06.440 several times in cryptozoology, you know the International Society Cryptozology 270 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:08.879 newsletter there, and that the journals that they would produce. 271 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:09.120 He has. 272 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.279 You can look back and read several of his articles 273 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:15.399 and he I guess Jim Huckin is probably most famous 274 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:19.480 for a certain trackway that he and Jack Sullivan cast 275 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.279 in I think November of nineteen eighty six, if I 276 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.360 remember correctly, eighty seven. I think it was eighty six 277 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:30.159 at the double check. But it turns out that that 278 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:35.440 trackway was on Frank Kineister's property. Now Frank was a 279 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:37.279 kid at the time. I think he was sixteen or 280 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:41.399 something at the time, maybe seventeen or if he was sixteen, 281 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:42.919 that puts him about my age. He's only a year 282 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:43.639 or two older than me. 283 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:44.799 So and. 284 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.440 Hugh Caen and those guys got about five or six 285 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:52.200 casts in a row. I have copies of one or 286 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:55.360 two of them. And actually Meldrum had a really good. 287 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:57.879 Has a really good mold of one of them too, 288 00:12:57.919 --> 00:12:59.559 so I have that now too, which is kind of cool. 289 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:02.879 But it turns out Frank cast a footprint at that 290 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.960 site and it was his very very first footprint in 291 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:09.720 his career. But that set him on the course. It 292 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.240 turns out that Frank actually had a role in reporting 293 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:17.360 that trackway because Jack Sullivan was a teacher at Frank's 294 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:21.200 middle school or high school that he taught typing and 295 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:24.320 something else, you know, and and he would do these 296 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:27.799 big foot you know, investigations, and Frank and he were 297 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:29.399 kind of friends, you know, as a teacher and a 298 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:31.919 student sort of friend. And I think Frank may have 299 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.639 reported at the Jack Sullivan and uh, and so they 300 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:37.159 came out and checked it out, and they were around 301 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.159 for a couple of days, like because they lived locally, 302 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.399 and they would just keep coming out. They eventually cast 303 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:45.440 a bunch of prints there, and uh, Frank cast one, 304 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.000 and that really set Frank on the pathway that he 305 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:54.039 was on until his death. He potentially might have cast 306 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.919 more things than anyone potentially, but I don't know, because 307 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.759 Frank was an awe. I mean, I really liked him. 308 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:03.519 I considered him a friend. I would call and talk 309 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.440 to him and that sort of thing. But he was 310 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:09.080 kind of an odd guy, so he was so excited 311 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.960 and excited bull that he would talk and sort. He 312 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.000 didn't think linearly was a thing, so he's hard to 313 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:17.799 understand sometimes. 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This 358 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:47.559 is Eric from Michigan. It has taken me about a 359 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.840 year and a half to smash all your shows to 360 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:52.559 finally catch up to you live, Bobo. I have a 361 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:54.559 question for you. Well, first, I want to thank you. 362 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.039 About two weeks ago, my daughter sent you a text. 363 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:00.600 On this past Tuesday, I got your cameo message. It 364 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:02.600 was awesome, totally stoked. 365 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:03.440 I love it. 366 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:04.000 I love you. 367 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:09.359 My question is for you, Bobo, about twenty nineteen, in 368 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:11.880 parts of twenty twenty and I think twenty twenty one, 369 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:16.119 you were making a movie or documentary, potentially both. I 370 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:18.640 never caught the title and I don't know if it's 371 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:23.400 still available for streaming. Gentlemen, Stay healthy, go sports. 372 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:28.519 And that's an interesting one. 373 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:31.319 And I put the link to Bobo's cameo in the 374 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:34.400 show notes. I do remember that message came in and 375 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.640 she was like, my dad is a huge fan of Bobo. 376 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:39.839 Is there like some way that Bobo can send a message, 377 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:41.240 and I was like, oh, yeah, here's the link, and 378 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:43.039 so glad to hear that that all worked out. 379 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.400 Yeah, cool h Yeah, we're still held up on that one. 380 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:50.960 We went over that already. 381 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:53.720 See since he said I don't know if it's still 382 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:55.480 on streaming or not, you could have said, oh, you 383 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:56.559 know what, you just missed it. 384 00:17:57.200 --> 00:17:59.279 Well like those well, some of the ones we did, 385 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:03.079 like the Robbie Canevil came out, and then Sam's almost 386 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.200 done with his He's got the one we were doing 387 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:09.079 that Bigfoot Encounters of the Fourth kind. Then we got, uh, 388 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:12.680 this one where we did with Pete Travers where we 389 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.359 did the sketching with some witnesses like Sarah from episode 390 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.400 fifty five. I think it was the one that everyone 391 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:21.680 was like, favorite witness we had on here for a 392 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:25.440 lot of people. Yeah, that's that's basically done. That'll be 393 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.559 coming out soon. The biggest problem we had was using 394 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.599 different cameras and then using What really killed us was 395 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.279 some guys had MAX, some guys had PC and editing 396 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:39.519 going back and using different Even the guys on PC 397 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:48.240 were using different editing apps whatever programs and things were 398 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.359 getting chewed up and not coming out properly, and it 399 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:54.640 just and then we it was we were spending money 400 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.039 reshooting stuff and we had we reshot some stuff, like 401 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.400