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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, welcome back. Always a real distinct pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>to have Men's Studio. Todd Zenz a recently pending op

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<v Speaker 1>ed piece which appeared in the paper version of the

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<v Speaker 1>cincinn Inquirer. He is a West Prices so Resident retired

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<v Speaker 1>Inspector General the United States Department of Commerce. After thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one years of conducting audits and investigations of federal officials,

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<v Speaker 1>programs and operations. He remains a certified fraud examiner and

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<v Speaker 1>he knows things financial clearly. Todd Zenz Are welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the fifty five KRC Morning Show, tackling the problem

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<v Speaker 1>of well City of Cincinnati finances, most notably the still

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing and yet to ever be resolved pension problem. Welcome back,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend. I love having you in studio. Thank you, Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>good morning, and I certainly appreciate you taking the laboring

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<v Speaker 1>or and staying up on what is really a very

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<v Speaker 1>very challenging financial situation. You and I can talk all

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<v Speaker 1>day long about the problems facing the City of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we were talking off air, most notably about

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<v Speaker 1>the backlog of just simple fundamental basic things like road

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<v Speaker 1>repairs that mc up and get closer to it a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. It's just a simple core service, something that

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<v Speaker 1>acts as a financial draw because people are inclined to

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<v Speaker 1>want to move into cities with good infrastructure. You let

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<v Speaker 1>your roads deteriorate over deckage. You went up with a

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred million dollar backlog. They're supposed to do X

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<v Speaker 1>number of millions of dollars of road repairs each year,

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<v Speaker 1>and every year they kick the damn can down the road. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the pension program.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right, Brian. They're doing the same thing. They're

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<v Speaker 2>kicking the can down the road. And even when they

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<v Speaker 2>get surplus money like they did this year sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars, instead of applying that to the pension liability,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an eight hundred million dollars shortfall eight hundred million,

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<v Speaker 2>they decide to put four million of that sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>million towards the pension liability and they spend the rest.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's about five hundred thousand dollars left of

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<v Speaker 2>that sixty five million that they haven't applied yet.

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<v Speaker 1>And where does that money go off to. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>random decision by the mayor that hey, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>spend it over here. And I mean, this isn't the

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<v Speaker 1>power of the purse resting in the hands of Congress

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<v Speaker 1>type situation. With that money, it's like we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>dictator who can just decide on his own terms where

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<v Speaker 1>the money's going to be spent.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the way it was reported is that they broke

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<v Speaker 2>they broke it down into three different buckets. The mayor

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<v Speaker 2>got to recommend spending, the city council got to recommend spending,

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<v Speaker 2>and the city manager got to recommend spending. But I

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<v Speaker 2>must say that the money that the city manager spent

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<v Speaker 2>all went towards not all, but most went towards public safety.

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<v Speaker 2>The other things were all what we call pet projects.

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<v Speaker 2>The mayor wanted to spend three hundred thousand dollars renovating

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<v Speaker 2>City Hall and you know things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Real important stuff, very important, like the Bengals getting new

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<v Speaker 1>locker rooms for the players. It in yours to everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>benefit when that kind of thing happens, doesn't it. That's right, great,

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<v Speaker 1>great expenditure, taxpayer dollars, they're per ball. So in order

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<v Speaker 1>to tackle this challenge, which, as you point out in

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<v Speaker 1>your op ed piece, and I applaud you for it,

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnat Council must attack pension liability more aggressively. The Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>Futures Commission, now they remember when they rolled out the

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<v Speaker 1>report all the things that the city needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>doing or the things that they should be looking at

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<v Speaker 1>by way of righting this ship. And weren't they the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that said this was the most concerning threat facing

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<v Speaker 1>the City of Cincinnati, or pension liability.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, if you read the report. Unfortunately, this

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<v Speaker 2>was towards the back of the report. The report's very

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to read in the first place. But they identified

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<v Speaker 2>three threats, they called them threats. The most concerning is

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<v Speaker 2>the pension liability, And basically the issue is that eventually

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to eat the general fund alive, that by

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<v Speaker 2>the time we get down the road ten, fifteen, twenty years,

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<v Speaker 2>the pension liability, if it's not fixed, is going to

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<v Speaker 2>eat into the general fund to the point where we

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<v Speaker 2>can't afford basic operations. In addition, they're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to have to reduce benefits even more than

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<v Speaker 2>they have already.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it can a parallel be drawn to our national

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<v Speaker 1>debt of thirty seven trillion dollars, because more and more

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<v Speaker 1>of that goes to debt service, eating into the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the revenue that's supposed to fund things like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, we already borrow money to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>we spend one hundred and forty million dollars a year

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<v Speaker 2>servicing our debt on our bonds. So this debt is

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<v Speaker 2>even beyond that. This eight hundred million dollars is even

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<v Speaker 2>beyond that, and they're they're just contributing pennies to the

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<v Speaker 2>thing every year compared to what is required to make

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<v Speaker 2>it solvent.

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<v Speaker 1>Pennies directed at the most concerning threat facing the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's definitely a disconnected futures Commission. Their solution, the

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<v Speaker 2>only solution they came up with was to take the

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<v Speaker 2>pension fund and get it to a point. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's sixty eight percent funded. They want to get it

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<v Speaker 2>up to eighty percent funded. And if they feel if

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<v Speaker 2>they do that, they can negotiate with the Ohio Retirement

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<v Speaker 2>System Public Employee Retirement System opers OPERS and therefore offload

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<v Speaker 2>the pension fund to the state. Now, it's very complicated,

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<v Speaker 2>very controversial, because you don't you don't know how the

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<v Speaker 2>two plans compare at this point. But that's their only solution.

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<v Speaker 2>And in order to do that, they want to raise

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred million dollars three hundred and ninety million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to bring that pension fund up to eighty percent funded

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<v Speaker 2>and well, and had that been.

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<v Speaker 1>Paying into the pension fund on an appropriate level in

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<v Speaker 1>the previous couple of decades, we wouldn't have this challenge

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<v Speaker 1>to start with, and we wouldn't have to worry about

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<v Speaker 1>unloading it on the rest of the Ohio tax payers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right What's interesting is that right now the pension system

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<v Speaker 2>is governed by a federal lawsuit settlement called the Collaborative

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<v Speaker 2>Settlement Agreement from twenty fifteen, where the city agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>bring the pension system to full funding one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>funding by twenty forty five. They gave them thirty years

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<v Speaker 2>to get there, and we already know, Brian, that they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to make it. They're not going to come

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere close.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pre existing function of government. It's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you got X number of things that you gotta pay

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<v Speaker 1>for every year and that pension is one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Just ignore the hell out of it. And then they

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<v Speaker 1>have to go to federal court and enter into a

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<v Speaker 1>settlement agreement that gives them an additional thirty plus years

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<v Speaker 1>to get to write this ship. And yet they haven't

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<v Speaker 1>lifted a finger in an effort to even comply with that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to make it, and so are we

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<v Speaker 1>governed by idiots? Is that what this comes down to,

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<v Speaker 1>are they all just financial illiterates, or if I was

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<v Speaker 1>under that pension pro I would be screaming bloody murder

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<v Speaker 1>about this. What I mean, those who have to rely

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<v Speaker 1>on this pension system. Where are they? Where's the revolt? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Might Well, that's where this collaborative settlement agreement came from

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years ago, is that people got so upset like

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<v Speaker 2>the ASSME union's individual retirement retirees. So that's where the

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<v Speaker 2>collaborative settlement agreement came from in the first place. And

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<v Speaker 2>based on the agreement, it looks like the people could

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<v Speaker 2>come at them again for not complying or not living

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<v Speaker 2>up to their agreement. They could probably reopen the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to think so, so we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't know what the terms of conditions

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<v Speaker 1>of the collaborative agreement are, but if you've been given

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<v Speaker 1>X number of years, it seems to me there are

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<v Speaker 1>probably certain benchmarks that you must accomplish along the way,

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<v Speaker 1>because you can't just wait till the thirtieth year and

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<v Speaker 1>then say, well, oh, that's right, we should have been

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<v Speaker 1>painted to this pension thing because we were obligated to

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<v Speaker 1>do it thirty five years yars ago or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the agreement doesn't really specify specific amounts that need

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there is a failure in terms of entering into

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<v Speaker 1>the agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it does. It does allow certain things to

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<v Speaker 2>reopen negotiations or reopen the settlement agreement, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>the judge can approve. And this failure to be on

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<v Speaker 2>track for one hundred percent by twenty forty five, I

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<v Speaker 2>think falls into that category.

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<v Speaker 1>I would make that argument. It seems like a winner.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to call it a no brainer, given

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<v Speaker 1>the complexity of the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the reason that this happens is I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that their financial illiterates. I think that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. But I think they just spend money

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<v Speaker 2>on their constituents. They spend all these these things on

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<v Speaker 2>their constituents.

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<v Speaker 1>But aren't the pensioners their constituents.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's a that's a smaller number, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But screw them, they're retired, basically, isn't that the attitude?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's just look at the last few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's pause on that note. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>nice foray or entry to start off hitting the ground running.

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<v Speaker 1>When we bring back, Todd Zenzer again check out the

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<v Speaker 1>op ed piece, since any council must attack pension liability

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<v Speaker 1>more aggressively. Actually, I think I would have been a

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<v Speaker 1>little more aggressive in the wording of the op ed piece, Todd,

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<v Speaker 1>stick around you right back after I mentioned plump tye plumbing.

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<v Speaker 1>all the listeners who have relied on my recommendation to

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<v Speaker 1>very satisfied, happy customers, and they're just backing up what

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<v Speaker 1>affordable prices. Yes, they do all of that. So whatever

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<v Speaker 1>my GPS says I'm out, fifteen minutes out. I'll see

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the City of Cincinnati. Pension liability outstanding

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<v Speaker 1>total in the whole six hundred and eighty million dollars, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, the pension liability is up over eight hundred million.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, here, I am misplacing a couple one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>You're getting ready to walk in through some extraditional points

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<v Speaker 1>and we're not compliance, apparently they still ignore it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they are ignoring it. That's that's the issue. They're

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<v Speaker 2>they just spent sixty five million dollars of the surplus.

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<v Speaker 2>So but over the last three weeks they've come in

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<v Speaker 2>So that's three three, that's three hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>It's just an insane societal regression.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we've got half a million dollars that the

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<v Speaker 2>for homes in North Assondale. I mean, it's it's you're

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<v Speaker 2>making this up. I'm not making that up. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>That silence was me just in a state of absolute disbelief.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of worthwhile things to spend money on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never ending. But the point is that dispension liability

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you just mentioned I'm not having to go

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<v Speaker 1>Select Subcommittee Report, and it talked about one of the

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty one percent increase in girls twelve to seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>committing suicide. Wow. Yeah, you know, that is a broad

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<v Speaker 1>much broader than the challenges of the transgender youth, which

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<v Speaker 1>don't make up a sizable chunk of the population. That

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, this is the city of Cincinnati. How

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<v Speaker 4>what are they supposed to What do they think they

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<v Speaker 4>could possibly do? Yeah, like four million dollars a year

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<v Speaker 4>to the Green Cincinnati Plan. It's like, is that really?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that really gonna do anything for the environment?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not, absolutely not, But they keep spending. They just

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the hell's a green bank.

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<v Speaker 2>The green bank is another kind of quasi agency that

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<v Speaker 2>the city's going to set up in order to be

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and everyone who might think that's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Again to the Wall Street Journal Bjorn Lombourg's op ed piece,

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<v Speaker 1>climate change colonialism keeps poor countries impoverished. And his point

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<v Speaker 1>to look at the weather related deaths that have gone on,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you want to draw a parallel between climate

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<v Speaker 1>change and weather. Extreme weather took an average of nine

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<v Speaker 1>thousand lives each year over the past decade globally. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>they are spending literally billions of billions of dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>programs that do absolutely nothing for the impoverished countries that

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<v Speaker 1>they claim their saving through their green projects. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a global level talks here. Now we're moving down to

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<v Speaker 1>the Cincinnati City area level, as if what our carbon

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, Brian toddszens aer hold On. We're

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<v Speaker 1>word for my great friends at Fast and pro Roofing

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<v Speaker 1>It is truly superior. But before the work comes the

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<v Speaker 1>If you're working with some of the roofing company, I

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<v Speaker 1>They do that, and they come down they tell you

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<v Speaker 1>Fast and Pro will never try to sell you anything

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<v Speaker 1>the consent decree they entered into the federal government, which

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be doing anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, So they should probably go ahead and try

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<v Speaker 2>to reopen that agreement if they give themselves a little

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<v Speaker 2>more time and be more aggressive about bringing that bringing

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<v Speaker 2>that up.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we wouldn't be able to buy new steamed

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<v Speaker 1>glass windows for the folks in Avondel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The other issue though, is this is regionalizing the

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<v Speaker 2>waterworks and whether that is even a possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>How would that help because so far, as you've explained,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've been over this before with the sale of

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<v Speaker 1>the railroad, they're just selling literally everything is not nailed

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<v Speaker 1>down to make to meet their obligations presently, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>that goes with the pension because right now the pension's

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<v Speaker 1>paying out more than it is taking in.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. They've got four thousand people taking out or

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<v Speaker 2>beneficiaries that are using the retirement system, and they've got

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<v Speaker 2>three thousand people paying in. In addition, they the pension Board,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an agency of the city, the pension Board

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<v Speaker 2>has to sell its assets. It's reported to the city

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<v Speaker 2>that it has to sell its assets in order to

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<v Speaker 2>even pay benefits and expenses. So they're eating away their

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<v Speaker 2>investment portfolio in order to actually pay their bills, and

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<v Speaker 2>so that reduces their investment income. And they right now,

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<v Speaker 2>according to their financial report, uh, they're one of the

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<v Speaker 2>highest pension systems in the country. I think who are

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<v Speaker 2>using their investments to pay their bills, are eating into

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<v Speaker 2>their investments to pay their bills.

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<v Speaker 1>Which obvious stating the obvious imperils their ability, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>more rapidly each year because the city clearly is not

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<v Speaker 1>replenishing what is being paid out. They haven't prioritized even

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<v Speaker 1>maintaining some even a level of status quo. It sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like right.

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<v Speaker 2>And even their projections that went into that collaborative agreement

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<v Speaker 2>said that they were going to earn seven and a

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<v Speaker 2>quarter percent on their investments. Well they were down below

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent. They're not even hitting that target. So they've

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of issues. It's kind of a downward spiral,

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody's really worried about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess all right, let us just paint a somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>bleak scenario which looks like the trajectory we were on

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<v Speaker 1>while the council people and the city manager and the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor all fiddle. What happens when the pension runs out

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<v Speaker 1>of money?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know that it's going to run out

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<v Speaker 2>of money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to have to Well they're they're eating principle

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<v Speaker 1>up as we talk, apparently, So I what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the future for the city? Sense? Any look

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<v Speaker 1>like if this problem is not fixed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're going to start reducing benefits fairly early, earlier

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<v Speaker 2>than failure. And I don't really know the answer to that, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to have to find some way

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<v Speaker 2>to shore up the liability, to reduce the liability, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to have to reopen their collaborative settlement agreement

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<v Speaker 2>to give themselves more time to get there if they can,

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<v Speaker 2>if they can, And I really think that the city

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<v Speaker 2>just has to start putting money into that pension liability

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<v Speaker 2>to ward off what we're talking about, instead of spending

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<v Speaker 2>it on stupid things, on all these pet projects and

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<v Speaker 2>all this social welfare spend. And they've got to start

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<v Speaker 2>prioritizing their spending. It's as simple as that. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a real problem for the for the

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<v Speaker 2>people that have to rely on that pension system.

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<v Speaker 1>I clearly want to be there. I sure as hell

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't want to be there either. So anyhow, well, you've

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<v Speaker 1>shed a huge bright spotlight on a problem that every

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<v Speaker 1>one of the cities should be talking about, certainly those

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<v Speaker 1>in elected capacity, and they should prioritize this as numero unum,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the Cincinnati Futures Commission did. Boy, they thought

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<v Speaker 1>the sun shined out that since a few future Commission's

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<v Speaker 1>bottom until you get to this particular component in their

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<v Speaker 1>chapter in the in the report, uh, and you realize that, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we are on a downward spiral that doesn't look like

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be fixed.

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<v Speaker 2>Their recommendation was for the mayor to appoint a task

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<v Speaker 2>force to even look into this issue. He hasn't even

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