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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to call a European Adventure. I quite think of

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<v Speaker 2>it as that it was a good time. We had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun with a lot of nightside listeners

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<v Speaker 2>in Rome and on the Amalfi Coast, and I wish

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<v Speaker 2>you had been able to be there with us, Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>It was we had a lot of fun, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Dan Ray. But I am very happy

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<v Speaker 2>to be back in the big chair here on WBZ

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<v Speaker 2>from eight until midnight as the host of Nightside. Rob

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<v Speaker 2>Brooks is back in the control room with an assistant

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<v Speaker 2>and a young new technician whose first name is Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>We won't you know, we're not gonna give any a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of information, but when you're calling tonight, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be talking to Rob or to Dan, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will talk about our trip to Rome, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>i'll do that at beginning at nine o'clock because we

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<v Speaker 2>have four really interesting guests lined up for you tonight

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<v Speaker 2>during the eight o'clock hour. I must thank all the

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<v Speaker 2>folks who filled in for me last week. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that Mullgan White carried the ball most nights, but Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Parker was here one night, and Gary Tangway was here

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<v Speaker 2>one night. I was off a total of seven nights,

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<v Speaker 2>which is for me a really long time away from

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<v Speaker 2>the microphone. But we had a lot of fun, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about that. We saw so much in a

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<v Speaker 2>relatively brief period of time. I'll get to all of

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<v Speaker 2>that at nine o'clock. Many of my fellow travelers nightside

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<v Speaker 2>travelers who wanted to know when are we going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it? So we'll talk about it at nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>But first we're going to talk about a deaf football

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<v Speaker 2>team and their quest for glory with an author correspondent

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<v Speaker 2>for The New York Times, Thomas Fuller. The name of

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<v Speaker 2>the book is The Boys of Riverside. I assume we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Riverside, California. Tom full how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good, Dan. Yes, indeed, Riverside, California, just east of

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<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm told, a pretty beautiful part of the world

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<v Speaker 2>outside of LA And so there was a school there

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<v Speaker 2>for students who was it they had no hearing or

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<v Speaker 2>they had limited.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So there are two deaf schools in California, one

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<v Speaker 3>in the San Francisco Bay Area, and the other in Riverside,

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<v Speaker 3>which is you know, Riverside used to be just Orange

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<v Speaker 3>Groves and uh, you know, quite bucolic. Now it's like

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon warehouses and you know where everything that comes in

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<v Speaker 3>from China ends up in a warehouse. So it's a

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<v Speaker 3>it's not the not the most beautiful neighborhood. But in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of it there's this great school, California School

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<v Speaker 3>for the Deaf for Riverside, and they got about one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty kids and they had a football program

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<v Speaker 3>that for well seven decades, uh, didn't go anywhere. They

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<v Speaker 3>never made it to the playoffs. And then a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of years ago something happened and they just started pummeling

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<v Speaker 3>their opponents and and that's that's where I went down.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I got to write about this.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, there's a school in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's called Gardett, which is also a school

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<v Speaker 2>for deaf students.

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<v Speaker 3>We have Perkins Galadet for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Blind here in Boston, so these schools do exist. Okay, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>football is a game which everybody has to move at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time. You can't be offside. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part be able to you're prompted by

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<v Speaker 2>the calls that the quarterback makes, not only in the huddle,

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<v Speaker 2>but up on the line of scrimmage. How does a

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<v Speaker 2>group of eleven football players, none of whom can hear,

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<v Speaker 2>How did they function well as a football team, as

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<v Speaker 2>these young men obviously did.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got a lot of stuff there, and I liked

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<v Speaker 3>that you mentioned the huddle because there's a story about that.

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<v Speaker 4>But let me.

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<v Speaker 3>Start with how they function really well. The players here,

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<v Speaker 3>with their eyes, they see the field much more comprehensibly.

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<v Speaker 3>Matter of fact, there's studies that if you're profoundly deaf

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<v Speaker 3>from birth, and this makes sense, that your site becomes

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<v Speaker 3>more acute. This team that I followed, the Cubs, they're

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<v Speaker 3>known as they never jumped off sides. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>saw it twice because they were so focused on the

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<v Speaker 3>ball and they had incredible peripheral vision. That study that

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<v Speaker 3>I referenced, there have been a few of them.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when you go to the.

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<v Speaker 3>DMV and you know, look, they say, okay, let's test

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<v Speaker 3>your eyesight, and they have the flashing lights in there

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<v Speaker 3>and you're supposed to press the button when you see it.

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<v Speaker 3>Deaf people do better at those tests, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>know here makes.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of sense, makes a lot of sense. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>over time, the human body, the human condition, tries to

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<v Speaker 2>make up for areas where they may be in a vulnerability,

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<v Speaker 2>just the ability to survive. If you're you know, five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years ago, we're right out in the wilderness and

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<v Speaker 2>you couldn't hear. You were probably a lot more observant.

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<v Speaker 3>When you think about it, the brain changes. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you the story about the huddle since you

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned it, So where to come from. It came from

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<v Speaker 3>Galadet that you mentioned. Two death teams were playing in

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<v Speaker 3>the eighteen nineties and they were you know, they're all deaths.

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<v Speaker 3>So they were signing to each other. Well, and so

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<v Speaker 3>the quarterback for Galadet said, we got to do something

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<v Speaker 3>about this. They're reading our plays here, gather together, back

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<v Speaker 3>to the defense and I'll give you the play that

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<v Speaker 3>was where the huddle was born. It did exists before

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<v Speaker 3>that happened. And so now Galadet, if you go watch

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<v Speaker 3>one of their games, you get some merch that says

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<v Speaker 3>home of the Huddles.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, boy, that's fabulous. You know, it's interesting. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who was who played Major League Baseball Curtis Pride,

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<v Speaker 2>who a few years ago pretty good player for the

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<v Speaker 2>Tigers amongst other teams, actually played for the Red Sox

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<v Speaker 2>for a little while. Young ballplayer who also was deaf

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<v Speaker 2>since birth. And yet that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>Derek Coleman, who was the fullback on the Seahawks, also deaf.

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<v Speaker 3>So there had been deaf athletes. Benny Fuller, who was

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<v Speaker 3>a college basketball player. And it's tough if you're deaf

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<v Speaker 3>on a hearing team. That's what I saw with these kids.

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<v Speaker 3>They had played, they were great athletes, they had played

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<v Speaker 3>in Pop Warner leagues, but it was really tough communicating

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<v Speaker 3>with you all the hearing players. Sure, So then they

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<v Speaker 3>all got together, all the deaf players got together and

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<v Speaker 3>it was just glue. It was beautiful. It was a

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<v Speaker 3>brotherhood of all deaf people. And they used sign language.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't have to. The coach didn't have to, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the quarterback didn't have to run over the sidelines, get

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<v Speaker 3>to play from the coach, run back in. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>all sign language. They just looked over, they saw the

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<v Speaker 3>sign and they you know, and that was it. Off

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<v Speaker 3>to the next play, super fast, super efficient.

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<v Speaker 2>So so this was the twenty twenty one season that

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<v Speaker 2>I think you chronicle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, the twenty twenty one season was the first.

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<v Speaker 3>So I stayed with them for the entire twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two season. Okay, but the twenty twenty one season was

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<v Speaker 3>where they started to turn on the jets, and I

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<v Speaker 3>actually wrote a story for the New York Times that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of that led to this book project, and so

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<v Speaker 3>then I spent the entire season with them. I had

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<v Speaker 3>deaf roommates, you know, stood on the sidelines, So the

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<v Speaker 3>whole season, went to all the games and just this

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<v Speaker 3>is great, just chronicled you know, this world that and

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<v Speaker 3>this amazing quest that they had, you know, for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time, well for the first time in California history.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we're not going to spoil the ending here, but

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<v Speaker 2>the name of the book is The Boys of Riverside,

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<v Speaker 2>a Deaf football team and a Quest for Glory by

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Fuller. Thomas Fuller, available obviously Amazon and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was published, I guess by Penguin Random House, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a big publisher. Just a last question, since you

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<v Speaker 2>chronicled the end of the twenty twenty twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>season and all of the twenty twenty two season. We

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<v Speaker 2>won't ask you how the story ends because we want

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<v Speaker 2>people to buy the book. But I'm just wondering, did

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<v Speaker 2>any of these players go on to college and end

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<v Speaker 2>up actually playing college football?

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<v Speaker 5>But per chance or no, they did.

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<v Speaker 3>They did the actually playing at Galadet Right now, the

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback who's won really the star of the team. He's

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<v Speaker 3>playing it alled debt uh, and so is his wide receivers.

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<v Speaker 3>So they did go on and and I think they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing pretty well there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's great, that's that's a great story for people

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<v Speaker 2>to overcome these limitations that you know, people, all of

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<v Speaker 2>us are born with limitations. I know that most of

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<v Speaker 2>us have more limitations than than abilities. But for them

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<v Speaker 2>to turn a limitation into an ability, it has to

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<v Speaker 2>be a really inspiring story.

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<v Speaker 3>And edge how long?

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<v Speaker 2>How long has this coach been working there? I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 2>that this coach probably is a long time coach. I

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<v Speaker 2>have not read the book. I'm looking forward to reading it.

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<v Speaker 2>Has the coach been there a long time? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the coach is you know, entirely deaf as well

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<v Speaker 3>all the entire coaching staff and all the players. And

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<v Speaker 3>the coach is a terrific athlete who grew up in Stockton, California,

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<v Speaker 3>and he had the same frustrations that the players had.

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<v Speaker 3>He was playing on hearing teams and the communication wasn't working.

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<v Speaker 3>So for him that two of his kids were on

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<v Speaker 3>the team, and for him this was just the fulfillment

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<v Speaker 3>of a lifetime that he could finally get, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>an all deaf team and they could show that deafness,

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<v Speaker 3>as you said, is actually an edge on the football field.

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<v Speaker 2>So two of his sons also inherited the I guess

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<v Speaker 2>the gene that did didn't allow them to. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize that that was a something that could be passed generationally.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was sort.

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<v Speaker 3>Of a yeah, kenby genetic absolutely well.

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<v Speaker 2>I never realized there was a genetic aspect. I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought that that was, you know, the so called luck

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<v Speaker 2>of the draw. Tom Fuller, I really enjoyed it. Keep

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<v Speaker 2>us posted and I'm looking forward to your next book.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you working on now?

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<v Speaker 3>Just back to the grind. You know, I cover wildfires

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<v Speaker 3>in California, I cover breaking news. I read about Gaza

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<v Speaker 3>once in a while, so it's you know, this was

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<v Speaker 3>a nice respite. This was great, you know, I never

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't talk about politics with anyone on the team.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea if the Democrats or Republicans. But

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<v Speaker 3>now I'm back to the real world.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great. That that is absolutely great. Look, Tom Fuller,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciated your time, and it sounds like a wonderful book,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope that our listeners head to a bookstore

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<v Speaker 2>near there. I'll go to Amazon dot com, whatever is easier,

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<v Speaker 2>But it sounds like an inspirational book. Particularly if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a son or daughter in high school who's participating

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<v Speaker 2>in sports. This this might really explain to them that

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<v Speaker 2>the bad day on the gridiron, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of obstacles that other people are able to overcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much, Tom, Thank you, Dan, talk to you soon. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we came back on and talk about the world's best

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<v Speaker 2>bull riders coming back to New Hampshire. No, I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a little while this December, but

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk with a professional bull ride to

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<v Speaker 2>Senior Vice President Robert Simpson, and you can maybe put

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<v Speaker 2>this on your calendar. Back on Nightside, my name's Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>Back here after a week and a half away in Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>With's a really great group of Nightside listeners. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>all of you could could have been on the trip

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<v Speaker 2>with us. We really had a lot of fun and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about that maybe right after the nine o'clock news,

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<v Speaker 2>but for now, we still have three more guests coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>starting off about talk about the world's best bull riders.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside and w BZ,

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<v Speaker 2>Boston's news radio station ten thirty and your am dial

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<v Speaker 2>coming back right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a few things I've never done in my life. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>there's many things I've never done in my life. One

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<v Speaker 2>of them is to ride a bull. However, the world's

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<v Speaker 2>Best bull Riders are coming back to Manchester, New Hampshire

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<v Speaker 2>for the fifth consecutive season with PBR Leash the Beast

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<v Speaker 2>at SNU Arena a few days before Christmas December twentieth

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty first, So we're still a few months away.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to go September, October, November into December, but

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<v Speaker 2>we have with us the Professional bull Riders Senior vice

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<v Speaker 2>president Robert Simpson. Rob I gotta ask you in order

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<v Speaker 2>to become the senior vice president of this fine organization.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have to ride a bull?

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<v Speaker 5>I did not good for you.

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<v Speaker 6>But you know that's quite the little intro and we

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<v Speaker 6>could probably take care of that if he wanted to,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, come on, come on up to Manchester.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no no. I very much appreciate that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I gotta tell you I do not want to

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<v Speaker 2>It's the longest eight seconds in sports.

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<v Speaker 6>From it, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Is give us a quick for those who are on.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody knows bull riding. But if you stay on for

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<v Speaker 2>or is it just the duration of time?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, yeah, it matters what form you have. So

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<v Speaker 6>you know the eight seconds to your point is I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>it's it's forever on the back of the bull. And

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<v Speaker 6>so you know there's a you know, we have a

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody that rides the bull gets scored.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's where the style points on how well you

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<v Speaker 6>all of the factors that go in to the ride.

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<v Speaker 6>So from the moment the shoot opens to when the

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<v Speaker 6>eight second clock goes off, you know, during that duration

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<v Speaker 6>you know, we have four judges that are scoring the ride.

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<v Speaker 6>So they give half of the points to the bull

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<v Speaker 6>and half of the points.

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<v Speaker 4>To the rider.

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<v Speaker 6>And so if the bull is inferior, they're going to

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<v Speaker 6>score less. If the bull is just you know, a monster,

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<v Speaker 6>they're going to score more. And then if the rider

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<v Speaker 6>what I'm saying, and not control.

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<v Speaker 2>But but it makes that is where I would be

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<v Speaker 6>He's not going to get any you know, many points either,

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<v Speaker 6>you know. So the riders got to show control of

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<v Speaker 6>the bull and then also the bulls got a buck hard,

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<v Speaker 6>when good things happen, and guys, you know, they won't

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<v Speaker 6>have been What what.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the career expectancy of bull riders? You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that, you know, I think it's NFL players about

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<v Speaker 2>four and a half years. Major League Baseball players maybe

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<v Speaker 2>on an average a little bit more than that. But

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<v Speaker 2>there are some players in the major leagues who can

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<v Speaker 2>last twenty twenty one years. Nolan Ryan, Ran, Cal Ripken,

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<v Speaker 2>Roger Clemens. What is the average career link for a

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<v Speaker 2>professional bull rider?

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<v Speaker 6>On an average, probably ten to twelve years.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, not bad. And and just like baseball, right,

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<v Speaker 6>we've had some some riders that you know, have ridden

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<v Speaker 6>bulls well past their forties, you know, competitively, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>and still in the hunt and and so forth. But

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<v Speaker 6>to your point, they're the exception to the rule. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>there's you know, by the time the bull rider kind

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<v Speaker 6>then say, you know, once they hit thirty, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they're probably on the backside of their career. And you know,

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<v Speaker 6>if it's a couple of years, if it's three or four,

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<v Speaker 6>so yeah, you know, on average, probably about twelve years.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's carry let's carry the sports metaphor hell a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is obviously a sport. When does your season start?

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<v Speaker 2>When does your season end?

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<v Speaker 6>Season starts the first in November, and we kick off

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<v Speaker 6>in Tucson, Arizona, and then Manchester that we're talking about

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<v Speaker 6>is the fourth event of the new season. And so

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<v Speaker 6>by the time that December twenty and twenty first rolls

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<v Speaker 6>around in New Hampshire, it'll be event number four. And

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<v Speaker 6>then once the New year, roles were in Madison Square

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<v Speaker 6>Garden over the first weekend of January, so we go

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<v Speaker 6>all the way till May. And so in mid we

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<v Speaker 6>have the World Finals in Texas and that's season, so

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<v Speaker 6>pretty much November to May.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that that's a that's a full full season. And

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<v Speaker 2>your bull riders. How many bull riders do you? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>is it is it the same group of men and

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, it's it's all male. And this is yeah, what

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<v Speaker 6>we're talking to the event that we're talking about coming

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<v Speaker 6>to Manchester is I mean, it's the best of the best.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the NFL. It's Major League Baseball for bull riding.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we have different levels, Dan, you know what

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<v Speaker 6>I'm saying. So this is this is the major leagues

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<v Speaker 6>right here. And so what we do is we have

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<v Speaker 6>about thirty five forty guys that we kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 6>take to these events and so we you know, much

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<v Speaker 6>like golf, there's a standings and so they're all competing

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<v Speaker 6>as individuals and.

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<v Speaker 3>So if they ride, they get paid.

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<v Speaker 6>If they don't, they don't, you know, much like golf.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, so you don't make the cut in golf,

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<v Speaker 2>you go home on Friday after.

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<v Speaker 6>All that money to travel and yeah, all that good stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>So but yeah, so it's it's all male. Now there

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<v Speaker 6>are female leagues of course, but we don't we don't

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<v Speaker 6>deal with that. But yeah, this is the so.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is this is up in Manchester. Everybody knows

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<v Speaker 2>where the s N s n h U arena is

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<v Speaker 2>tickets available? How do they? How do they get tickets?

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<v Speaker 6>It is ways just PBR dot com, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 6>uh got, yeah, we got. We've got a link there

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<v Speaker 6>that will direct them. Or they can go to the

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<v Speaker 6>venue website, you know for a n q U and

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<v Speaker 6>then you know, always get them, you know, on the ticket.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not sure what the ticket platform there is at

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<v Speaker 6>that at that venue.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's so they if they go to the PBR

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<v Speaker 2>dot com, which I assume is professional bull Riding Professionals.

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<v Speaker 6>Not not the beer, not the beer.

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<v Speaker 2>B b R dot com and hey little early Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>pres you never know, it sounds like a great family event.

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<v Speaker 2>Something a little bit different here in England. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of bull riding in New England. But hey,

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<v Speaker 2>it's available on December twentieth and twenty. First, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have that calendar in front of me. I'm assuming that's

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<v Speaker 2>a Friday and Saturday, or am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>That is?

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<v Speaker 6>That is it's a Friday Saturday right before Christmas to

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<v Speaker 6>your point, and yeah, it's a great family show. Yeah

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<v Speaker 6>it's if it is. You know, if you've never been Dan,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what I'm saying with your listeners, man, I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>once you go, you're hooked. I mean so that we've

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<v Speaker 6>that's why we're back, you know for the fifth year

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<v Speaker 6>in New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, people, you just had a good turnout the

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<v Speaker 2>last four years, and you know we'll have you back

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<v Speaker 2>a little closer to the date, maybe sometime in November

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<v Speaker 2>just in case people let it slide off that calendar.

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<v Speaker 2>But people want to get good takes great December twenty twenty. First, Robert,

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed the conversation. I learned a lot about a

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<v Speaker 2>sport that I frankly don't know a whole heck of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot about. But I certainly do admire the people

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<v Speaker 2>who participate in and get up on that bowl, that's

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. Again. Robert Simpson, the PBR Professional bull Riders

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<v Speaker 2>PBR dot com we get back. We're going to celebrate

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<v Speaker 2>a birthday. Smoky the Bear turns eighty and I found

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<v Speaker 2>out there actually was an actual Smoky the Bear. We

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<v Speaker 2>will get to all of that right after the news

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<v Speaker 1>Hour Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know who the most famous person in

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's the Pope. I don't know. Maybe it's who

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<v Speaker 2>who I dare say, Vladimir Putin. But just in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of fame, I don't think there's anybody that I know

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<v Speaker 2>of who has not heard of Smoking the Bear. And

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<v Speaker 2>Smoky turns eighty years of age. Is it tomorrow that

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<v Speaker 2>we reached this milestone with me? As straight you see Denisitch.

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<v Speaker 2>She's the vice president Group campaign director at the AD Council.

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<v Speaker 2>Tracy tell us, what is it tomorrow? The day of

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<v Speaker 2>Smokey's birthday.

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<v Speaker 7>Smokey's eightieth birthday was Friday, August night, but we're celebrating

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<v Speaker 7>all year. He's turned eighty, but he'll be eighty for

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<v Speaker 7>the whole year.

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<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Obviously, we think Smokey the bear and only

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<v Speaker 2>you can Prevent forest Fires, one of the most successful

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<v Speaker 2>ad campaigns in the history of the world. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was interested to find out that there really was a

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's right. So Smokey has become really, in so

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<v Speaker 7>many ways, such an impactful you know, really had such

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<v Speaker 7>of that and one that we all really love. The

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<v Speaker 7>that you can prevent forest fires, asking Americans to take

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<v Speaker 7>then following that in the fifties, firefighters fighting a fire

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<v Speaker 7>They nursed him back to health, and upon his recovery

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<v Speaker 7>became so popular so quickly that fans were writing him

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<v Speaker 7>so much fan mail that he actually had to get

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<v Speaker 7>his own zip code. So papropos to your introduction, Smokey

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<v Speaker 7>Bear and the presidents are the only Americans who have

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<v Speaker 7>their own zip code. And you can still write to

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<v Speaker 7>Smokey at Kyoto is his zip code. And but of

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<v Speaker 7>course we also now connect with his fans and his

429
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<v Speaker 7>you know friends on social media accounts, and we really

430
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<v Speaker 7>have wonderful ways of connecting with Americans and you know,

431
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<v Speaker 7>ensuring that they have his message and his tips to

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<v Speaker 7>help prevent wildfire.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this is a is a time of year when,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in the West, we see a lot of forest fires.

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<v Speaker 2>There's that big fire in California, which, as I understand

436
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<v Speaker 2>that actually was started by some guy who lit hit

437
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<v Speaker 2>a car on fire. I think it was his mother's

438
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<v Speaker 2>car and he rolled it into the woods. And the

439
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<v Speaker 2>amount of damage that is done by these fires, obviously

440
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<v Speaker 2>you know that was intentionally set. But on an average year,

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<v Speaker 2>how much acreage do we lose in this country to

442
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<v Speaker 2>forest fires? It has to be a huge number.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, there's some of us do exist. I don't have

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know the exact number, but I can say

445
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<v Speaker 7>that nine and ten wildfires are started by humans, many

446
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<v Speaker 7>of them accidental. And I think, you know, of course,

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<v Speaker 7>our hearts go out to the to the communities that

448
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<v Speaker 7>are impacted by these fires, and to the you know,

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<v Speaker 7>appreciation to the men and women who are fighting those fires.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think what's so empowering and special about Smoky's

451
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<v Speaker 7>message is that he really gives us all everyone across

452
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<v Speaker 7>the country something that we can do, a part that

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<v Speaker 7>we can play in preventing those fires from happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the messages that have come out. Obviously,

455
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<v Speaker 2>you don't throw a lit cigarette into the woods, you

456
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<v Speaker 2>don't leave a campfire without really dousing that campfire. Obviously,

457
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<v Speaker 2>all of those things are just so important. How was

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<v Speaker 2>Smoky the beer to this day still on the air, meaning,

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<v Speaker 2>in other words, does the AD Council is this literally

460
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<v Speaker 2>a PSA or they w in which people can support

461
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<v Speaker 2>this advertising. I'm confused by that. I looked for an

462
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<v Speaker 2>answer and I couldn't find it.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, yes, since nineteen forty four we've had our partnership

464
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<v Speaker 7>with the It's between the AD Council of the National

465
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<v Speaker 7>Association of State foresters in the United States Forest Service

466
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<v Speaker 7>as well as our ad agency partner FCB, have been

467
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<v Speaker 7>developing PSAs. So for eighty years now, we've been bringing

468
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<v Speaker 7>PSA messaging to Americans across the country through whatever the

469
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<v Speaker 7>most relevant and you know, prevalent advertising space is at

470
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<v Speaker 7>any time, working with industry partners to get that into

471
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<v Speaker 7>people's homes and across the country. But Smokey has also

472
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<v Speaker 7>really become a cultural icon, right. He's been featured on

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<v Speaker 7>postage stamps, people into outer space, You've let presidents, he

474
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<v Speaker 7>makes appearances at baseball games and forests and parks across

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<v Speaker 7>the country, and he has social media accounts. And I

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<v Speaker 7>think we really, you know, are always looking for ways

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<v Speaker 7>to ensure that Americans recognize that Smokey's message is still

478
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<v Speaker 7>the same and it is important now more than ever.

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<v Speaker 7>This isn't a message just for the fifties, just for

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<v Speaker 7>you know, nineteen forty four when we first put this

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<v Speaker 7>out there, but this is you know, really relevant and

482
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<v Speaker 7>important now more than ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's great, it's a great It's been a great

484
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<v Speaker 2>ad campaign for eighty years, the longest running you know

485
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<v Speaker 2>public I guess i'll call it a cubic Service Campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that there are forest fires where we have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea how many forest fires or fires in wooded

488
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<v Speaker 2>areas have been prevented because someone in the back of

489
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<v Speaker 2>their head remembered the AD and the phrase only you

490
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<v Speaker 2>can prevent forest fires. And maybe they did extinguish a

491
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<v Speaker 2>campsite effectively. Maybe they chose not to flip that cigarette

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<v Speaker 2>into the into the woods. So I appreciate you joining

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<v Speaker 2>us today and give us a little bit of a

494
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<v Speaker 2>history about Smokey the Bear. Tracy Sandwich, a Vice president

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<v Speaker 2>Group Campaign director of the AD Council, Thanks so much

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<v Speaker 2>joining us.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks for having me. Happy birthday, Smoky.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, happy birthday, Smoky the Bear. All right, when we

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<v Speaker 2>get back, we're going to talk about a very serious

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<v Speaker 2>subject that rears its ugly head, if you will, at

501
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<v Speaker 2>this time of year. Uh, and that is anxiety for

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<v Speaker 2>some kids as they go back to school. We'll be

503
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<v Speaker 2>talking with a mental health expert, doctor Vince Callahan, right

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<v Speaker 2>after this quick break here on a Monday night edition.

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<v Speaker 2>First night back in a while. It's nice to be here.

506
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<v Speaker 2>I missed all of you. Loved Italy, loved Rome, loved

507
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<v Speaker 2>the Mouthy Coast. But there's no place like home. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back right after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World,

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<v Speaker 1>Nice Night Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, school is actually believe or not resumed in

512
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<v Speaker 2>some places around the country already, which I think is crazy. However,

513
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<v Speaker 2>here in New England, kids to get back to school

514
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<v Speaker 2>sometime after a labor Day. And I remember as a

515
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<v Speaker 2>kid long time ago, back in the last century, leaving

516
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<v Speaker 2>summer and seeing Labor Day in the rearview mirror. It

517
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<v Speaker 2>didn't cause anxiety, but I hated to see summer end.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to talk about kids who have not

519
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<v Speaker 2>only probably enjoy the freedom of summer, but a little

520
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<v Speaker 2>bit anxious about getting back to school. Little butterflies, jitters,

521
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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to call it, call it with us.

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<v Speaker 2>As doctor Vince Callahan, mental health expert, Doctor Callahan, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to Nightside, Nightside. What percentage of kids in America deal

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<v Speaker 2>with some form of stress or anxiety when those school

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<v Speaker 2>bells ring.

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<v Speaker 4>The research that I've done the last fourteen years shows

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<v Speaker 4>me about seventy five percent of kids in a classroom

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<v Speaker 4>deal with some form of stress. So at the very

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<v Speaker 4>least you're looking at twenty five to thirty percent are

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<v Speaker 4>going to deal with anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, so one out of four your students deal with anxiety?

532
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<v Speaker 2>Is that a No, You've done this for a while.

533
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<v Speaker 2>But are there any studies going back to the time

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<v Speaker 2>of the fifties and sixties when some of us were

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<v Speaker 2>in school, in elementary and grammar schools.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure there are.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't I haven't found them, but I'm sure they're

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<v Speaker 4>out there. Yeah, when we were kids. Because I'm sixty two,

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<v Speaker 4>so it sounds like we're almost you know, I got

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<v Speaker 4>a few years.

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<v Speaker 2>On you, But go ahead, I'm on the wrong side

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<v Speaker 2>of fifty. I'll just give it you that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well, we hated to see summer end, but we

544
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<v Speaker 4>were excited about school. Now kids are worried about do

545
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<v Speaker 4>I have the right shoes, do I have the right outshit?

546
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<v Speaker 4>Do I have the coolest backpack? I don't measure up

547
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<v Speaker 4>to other people, And there's such pressure on these kids

548
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<v Speaker 4>to perform early that their whole self esteem is in

549
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<v Speaker 4>the toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Why why is there pressure on kids in terms

551
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<v Speaker 2>of outfits and stuff like that. I mean, I would

552
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<v Speaker 2>think that the concern would be is who's my new teacher?

553
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<v Speaker 2>Who are my classmates. I would assume that would be

554
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<v Speaker 2>what most kids would be thinking about, not whether or not,

555
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<v Speaker 2>you know, they were properly attired. Are we school?

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<v Speaker 4>It depends on the age group when you get when

557
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<v Speaker 4>you're looking at elementary school kids, you're exactly right, they

558
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<v Speaker 4>are who's my teacher going to be? Who are my friends?

559
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<v Speaker 4>Will they like me? Will they accept me? When you

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<v Speaker 4>get in middle school kids, you're looking at will I

561
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<v Speaker 4>fit in? Do I have the right stuff? Do I

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<v Speaker 4>have the latest and coolest stuff? You know, is my hair? Okay?

563
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<v Speaker 4>And then high school it's like, how can I get

564
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<v Speaker 4>out of your kind of thing? But yeah, it just

565
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<v Speaker 4>depends on the age group. But yeah, kids go through

566
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<v Speaker 4>this where their biggest thing they're feeling is is kind

567
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<v Speaker 4>of out of controlla a little bit. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 4>two greatest needs any child has the safety and security?

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<v Speaker 2>And what about if I make what about if I

570
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<v Speaker 2>make the argument to you doctor that it's absolutely normal

571
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<v Speaker 2>to have some anxiety. It's absolutely normal to be a

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<v Speaker 2>little apprehensive. Look if you and I started a new

573
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<v Speaker 2>job tomorrow, even though it is a job that we

574
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<v Speaker 2>might have done for twenty or twenty five years, you

575
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<v Speaker 2>get a little bit of the butterflies. Any athlete will

576
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<v Speaker 2>tell you I get butterflies before every show? Am I prep? Right? Is?

577
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<v Speaker 2>Have I left anything to chance? Isn't this part of

578
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<v Speaker 2>just preparing to function in the real world? This is

579
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<v Speaker 2>just normal? Or no.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm gonna agree with you one hundred percent that

581
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<v Speaker 4>anything new for a moment, you're gonna have anxiety. But

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<v Speaker 4>there's really two kinds of this anxiety that we're looking

583
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<v Speaker 4>at with kids. One is the normal situational I'm going

584
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<v Speaker 4>into a new situation. How will I do and how

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<v Speaker 4>will I cope? And that should course correct within about

586
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<v Speaker 4>thirty days or less. But then you get the anxiety

587
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<v Speaker 4>that's fear based. That is this whole what if there's

588
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<v Speaker 4>intrusive thoughts I don't measure up, I can't do it,

589
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 4>and it doesn't ever course correct. And now you're getting

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<v Speaker 4>into generalized anxiety disorder even in little kids. And so

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still going to hold my twenty five percent number

592
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<v Speaker 4>or in that second category, which is unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what can what can parents do if they

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<v Speaker 2>think their son or daughter at whatever age you know,

595
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<v Speaker 2>going into kid in kindergarten, elementary, whatever, what can they

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<v Speaker 2>do to help the child get through. This.

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<v Speaker 4>First thing is routine, and like you were talking about

598
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<v Speaker 4>up north, you guys have a little bit more time.

599
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<v Speaker 4>So the greatest thing parents can do prior to starting

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<v Speaker 4>school is to go in and get the house routines

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<v Speaker 4>in order, bedtime at a certain time, waking up at

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<v Speaker 4>a certain time even though school hasn't started yet, getting

603
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<v Speaker 4>them familiar with their teachers and what they're going to

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<v Speaker 4>be doing. Kind of let mom and dad go on

605
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<v Speaker 4>the web and look for what what you know, first

606
00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 4>grader go through to study wise and school wise. Because

607
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<v Speaker 4>of the things that kids get apprehensive about is will

608
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<v Speaker 4>I be able to learn? And what is it that

609
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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to learn? So the biggest thing is routine

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<v Speaker 4>and get a schedule going. Second thing is attachment or

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<v Speaker 4>talk to the kids. I like to teach my parents

612
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<v Speaker 4>I work with, don't ask leading questions. To go in

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<v Speaker 4>and start with a leading statement, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I know that you might be feeling apprehensive or a

615
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<v Speaker 4>little bit anxious about going to school when I felt

616
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<v Speaker 4>that way too, But and then you let them start

617
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<v Speaker 4>talking to you and do leading statements instead of leading questions,

618
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<v Speaker 4>because we know that when you ask the kid a question.

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<v Speaker 4>He shutdown, says, no, it's fine, nothing nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, what I found was helpful. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I took both of my children a

622
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<v Speaker 2>little at that time, little boy and little girl, when

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<v Speaker 2>they were entering kindergarten. I took them to the school. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>week or so ahead of time, when the teachers were

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<v Speaker 2>prepping the school and all of that, and walked in

626
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<v Speaker 2>and introduced them, figured out who the teacher was. So

627
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<v Speaker 2>did this to take the edge off good idea, A

628
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<v Speaker 2>bad idea?

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<v Speaker 4>You a great idea, You're a great dad. That was

630
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<v Speaker 4>the perfect thing to do, because that that settles that.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember my opening statement, kids need safety and security. So

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<v Speaker 4>if I take if I as a parent, take away

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<v Speaker 4>the what if I've created safety and security?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like I like to tell this story. I've

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<v Speaker 2>told it before. I remember my son was older and

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<v Speaker 2>when he actually had to get on the school bus

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<v Speaker 2>to to to go to kindergarten, as he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>struggled to get up the first couple of steps of

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<v Speaker 2>those school buses, which seemed to me kind of ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>they are so high for little kids. I sort of

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<v Speaker 2>gave him a little bit of a boost and I said, uh, subconsciously,

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<v Speaker 2>so he probably didn't hear it, but hopefully maybe I said,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the treadmill of life.

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<v Speaker 5>There you go, there you go, and then you go home,

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<v Speaker 5>and then as a parent, you go home and you

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<v Speaker 5>choose red or white. I did w I'm sorry, Oh

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<v Speaker 5>you mean, yeah, choose red or white.

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<v Speaker 4>You've made it to the summer, so take your favorite

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<v Speaker 4>red or white and sit down to put your feet

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<v Speaker 4>up and got through the summer.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a little early in the morning, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's somewhere, it's after five. I did you

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<v Speaker 2>go there? How could folks get in touch with the

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<v Speaker 2>Dtor Vince Callahan if a, are you available to chatter

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<v Speaker 2>or to us?

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<v Speaker 4>The actually my website is doctor Vincecallahan dot com. And

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<v Speaker 4>this is the reason that I actually just finished a

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<v Speaker 4>digital book called The Family Handbook. It's a free download.

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<v Speaker 4>They can get that. It's one hundred and one basic

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<v Speaker 4>discussion questions and things and topics about the family. But

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<v Speaker 4>they can reach me at doctor Vincecallahan dot com. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a contact me little thing to spill out and give

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<v Speaker 4>me your name and phone number and that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm definitely love to talk to people.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's all one more. Dr Vince v I NCEE

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<v Speaker 2>C A L l A h A N traditional spelling

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<v Speaker 2>off Callahan dot com. Yep, yep, thank you, joy this

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<v Speaker 2>very much. We'll have you back. Thank you. If you'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to come back. You're good guest.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you very much. I'd love to thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very welcome, Doctor Vince Callahan. Okay, and we come back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about tonight about really three things.

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<v Speaker 2>The Stewart health crisis that's a huge story. We haven't

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<v Speaker 2>really touched that yet. An article in the Boston Globe

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<v Speaker 2>by Brian McGrory about the bike lane on Boylston Street,

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<v Speaker 2>and also talking about can you steal someone else's idea

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<v Speaker 2>as a presidential candidate. And we'll also talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>trip to Italy to Roam and the Mouthfee Coast that

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<v Speaker 2>I took the last nine days, ten days along with

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of night side listeners, and we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it coming back right after the nine o'clock news here

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<v Speaker 2>on a Monday night. It's August the twelfth,