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little bit about the book itself, what makes it fascinating,
of course it's part of the Sigma four series, and
how it ties in maybe or stands alone from the
other parts of the series. And then of course we'll
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us now. Is the number one New York Times bestselling
author of the Sigmafore series, coming to James Rawlins. James,
welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: Thanks Tim, I appreciate it. I always love talking to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Same here, same here. Always excited, always
excited to get a copy of anything you've written the
sigma Fore series, for sure, and pick your brain a
little bit about that and just dive into the whole
writings scene in general. But tell us about the latest.
It's a trust No One and it is definitely a thriller.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is a sort of a standalone again, has a
lot of the aspects of Sigma four. It's a lot
of adventure, big roller coaster, but it starts with a
ritualistic murder of a professor at the University of Exeter,
which is just outside of London, and the suspects is
his own students, all of whom and this is true.
There's over at the University of Exeter there is a
degree program in witchcraft and a cult. That is, I
teach you how to split the cast spells. Basically, it's
a rigorous program on academic study of history, practices, beliefs.
Speaker 2: Right, so if you're a Hogworth fan, you don't need
to go there, or you do one the.
Speaker 1: Two little bit of both probably, But because you know
this ritualistic murder gets pinned on his students. They're on
the run, but prior the man's death they were. He
thrust this century's old alchemist journal onto one of the students,
an American that's enrolled in the program, and it's an
encryptodiary of an eighteenth cent ronistic in Norder's account of
Saint Germain. This is surreal historical figure. He was sort
of a period of nowhere and in France or during
the time of King Louis the sixteenth reign, just prior
to the French Revolution, and came out of nowhere. He
spoke a dozen languages. Who's a painter of violinists, a scientist.
He supposedly could remove flaws from diamonds. He composed music.
You can find some of the music. It's still in
the British Museum. But what's odd about him is that,
I mean, the contemporaries were he was sort of like
an influencer slash little hero of his time. You can
find mentioned in the writings of Casanova bult While. They
said he's a man who does not die and who
knows everything. But what's weird is that after the man
had supposedly died, sightings of him continued. People continue to say,
as like GERMANE so and so well, he died a
decade ago. Even to today, some people believe that this
man was immortal, that he had the secret of immortality.
Even in nineteen seventy two there was a French public figure,
Richard Shanfrey, who appeared on television and claimed he was
indeed the immortal count. So again, me, as a thriller
writer of it, this is a cool character. Is he
a fraud? Is he charlatan? Is he is? There some
truth behind his story? But his diary is journal that
it supposedly has the secret of immortality ends up in
this hand of this American student enrolled in this program,
and she and her friends are forced to flee. They're
pursued by law enforcement, they're hunted by a powerful cabal
who actually murdered their teacher, and the race sends them
across the Europe to uncover the secrets of the book,
especially the diaries opening words, which are hear in lives,
the Secret to My Immortality Come finally, if you dare
nice now.
Speaker 2: And I love the fact that when in writing, everything
that you do in this one in particular, is you know,
you have so much going on. You have you know,
key figure, you know, with some intrigue and interest behind it.
You have places that we only dreamed of going, you know,
our travels, or may have never heard of, and have
to investigate that, and you wrap that all into something
that is really to me a modern day you know,
sort of like the great search. You're looking for the
tomb or the chalice or these type of things, and
now you've got it all put together in this great
investigation piece. So it's very exciting.
Speaker 1: I let my not let's be a bit of a travelogue,
you know, I want to take my it's escape ast fiction.
My goal is to entertain you, but also in a
shed light on pieces of history and weird science, but
also take you to locations that might not be aware of.
I don't think rememberroom anything, but there's a key scene
takes place in the Tower of London, which is still
in prison at all prison in London, and I've been
there a few times and a couple things. Truck Number
one is gosh, if I was trapped in here, could
I get out? So a part of the story is
can these characters end up being basically trapped in the
Tower of London, surrounded by law enforcement, hunted by this cabal?
You know, can they break out of the Tower of
London and escape their pursuers. So I'm not gonna say
how they do that, but you know, you have to
read the book. But also what number two has struck
me is the Ravens. You know, the Tower of London
is notorious for the Ravens occupy the territory. That the
rumor is basically, if the Ravens ever leave the Tower
of London, that London, that it's the end of Western civilization.
So there, and I learned also about how well ravens
can talk. You know, I knew ravens very smart did
give a veterinarian I knew something background and part of
my projects with Avian medicine, so I was familiar with
the ability of ravens to minic similar to parrots, but
I didn't quite realize how well they weren't. I was
doing my research for this novel, read a book called
The Raven Masters, written by one of the guys that
was taking care of the ravens the Tower of London.
Again a cool little kid bits sort of kept their
folded to the novel. But also I went to TikTok
and saw a couple of people that had ravebits that
they're taught to talk and is it's a founding how
perfectly they can enunciate and carry accents and minic sounds,
you know, car horns, sirens. So again, just I like
shining a light out of things that I found pretty
incredible that I could put into a novel.
Speaker 2: That's right for you kids. TikTok is not all about
people hurting themselves or little kittens, though they're really really cute,
there's more to it than that.
Speaker 4: So I love that.
Speaker 2: You know, that's funny you mentioned that because I've been
to the Tower of London too, and spent quite a
bit of time in London and some of the surrounding
universities at Cambridge, Oxford, et cetera. And I too. As
soon as I went in there, I'm like, this is
something guy gets hard to escape. But I guess I
wasn't surrounded by guards and time and yeah, back in
the day, we didn't have some of the things that
we have today. So yeah, perhaps not. So going to
the story without giving it away, what are some of
the key characters? Do you send her around? Certain student
aspects going on, because it sounds like, you know, like
I mentioned, part of the great race, but yet they're
trying to pin a murder on someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the main character is that American student named
Sharon Carr. She's never been to London before, she's never
been outside. She graduated from the University of Olah, so
this is a grand new adventure for her. She feels
a little bit of a she feels out of her element,
feels a little bit lost, a little confused. She has
been to a hard upbringing. So she carried all the
baggage with her into town and all of a sudden,
you know, one night she's worked the late at the library.
Her professor in the head of her apartment comes rushing
at her and shoves this book in her hands and says,
you know, don't open it. They'll try to open it.
Don't let anybody know you have this. This flee run
And the final words he tests of her, of course,
is the title of novel is trust no One. And
that sends her on the run. She teams up with
some of her Two of her roommates are on the
run with her. One is a Scottish gentleman. He's a
mild case of super Bowl palsy. So again I just
try to see, you know, can you have a hero
that suffers from such an infliction? So I did a
lot of research insto policy and try to find out
how could you do that? And some of his ailments
play depart and story. And one of my other roommates
is a Welsh woman that is an influencer on witchtop.
I don't know what we talk about TikTok before, but
there's actually probably called witch talk. It's it's some feed
of TikTok where people get together talk about again witchcraft,
sometimes from as a terrorist standpoint, sometimes from a sort
of fantastical aspect. Again, I so shadowed Witch Shock for
a while just to see what was going on there,
and she's sort of an influenced on her and her
role of app It is a big role sharing cards,
nemesis slash love interests in Diane Duncan Maxwell. He's this
the sixteenth line to the British Crown, a bit pompous ass,
but he's also a bit of a savant, and there's
aspects of his character that is as they're on the run,
you're peeling back and you find out he's much more
complicated than these seams on the surface. So kind it's
just fun training. He's jamming all these characters from dispar
arts of the world and having them to try to
form this function on you trying to be Sigma Force
before without any type of organization.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, And I love that. I mean,
I had to pick your brain on that as well,
because you're always It always fascinates me when I read
through your books, is the fact that how do you
come up with this? You know, for instance, if we're
part of it says Sigma Force or any sort of series,
even though it's a standalone book, do you have to
keep the theme sort of going the same type of
material and great adventure in these type of things, Then
how do you handle the characters. Do you introduce one
or two new characters or is it a whole different type,
a whole different group of characters. In this case, we
have a lot of different Once.
Speaker 1: There's definitely pros and cons on doing the series versus
doing the standalone. You know, the series, you can explore
a character's life over the cour of several books, so
you get a sort of the larger breadth of their past,
their history at present day where things are headed. Whereas
with a standalone you're introducing a new set of characters.
You got to get them on the run fast. You've
got to sort of establish a relationship between your reader
and that character so that if I dangle them over
a cliff, you're gonna you know, I need you to
care if they fall. If you don't care if they fall,
story ain't working. So you know, you've got to build
a lot of there's a lot of juggling going on
to try to introduce a new set of characters, a
new threat, and get them all running as quickly as possible.
So it is a bit of a juggling act, right,
And so.
Speaker 2: When you put together the book, trust no one. Did
it start off as a topic that you heard about
or was interested in, and you sort of build up
from there. You build characters around that particular topic or
was it something that you know was more of your
You've been setting on it for a while and thinking
this is this is fascinating, I need to dig into
it at this time.
Speaker 1: Well the latter you know, I've always got my intent
up for that next story idea, because you know, I've
been generally been doing two books a year, so i
have to come up with these new ideas, and I've
got to be also excited about it. I think readers
have a good nose on them. They know when someone's
not excited about it. If a writer's not passionate about
what he's writing about, I think it comes off on
the page. So I would try to find topics that
I'm excited about. Oh, I think at this point I
have twenty different subscriptions. The magazines that I have for
me a Sthonian, Archaeology, New Scientists side of the American
and I'm always was just bringing through them looking for
anything that might become the seed for story, whether it's
a but it's weird science that makes people weares that headed,
or maybe historical mystery, some piece of history it's in
a question mark, something that can maybe solve on the
pages of a novel. So for Trust No One, it
began with the history. I had a hold a little
folder on Saint Germaine because I though, I don't know
what would do with this guy, but he's he's such
a fun cast think about, so you know, how do
I build a story around him? So it took a
while to figure that out. I like the idea that
he was a scientist, so you know, that gets to
the elements of the weird science that I love to explore,
the fact that he might be immortal. Could they bring
any truth to that? That's the thing I love to explore.
Is there what's the seed of truth behind a myth?
A lot of mythology sounds fantastical, but oftentimes it's based
on some type of cridinal of truth. So is there
some cridinal truth behind his wild stories of Saint Germaine?
So that's again what I started layering the story together.
So that becomes the first part and the second part
is what story am I going to tell? And who's
going to populate that story? What character is going to
carry that forward? But that's for this novel. Every other
novel it starts different ways. I wrote a book on
Amazonia just because I wanted to write a book about
the Amazon. I wanted to have this big jungle adventure,
so that's where it started from. Other books were based
on characters. You know, I get an idea for a
real cool character, and then I begin to build a
story around there. I wish there was a pattern. I
wish I could do, say A, B and C and
then done. It comes from different directions all the time.
Speaker 2: Well, and I love that about how you go about
craft in your books. You know, it's all authors do
it their own unique way. They have their own way
of doing things, especially if they're doing a known for
a particular series or particular type of writing. But everything
you do, from what I read, is it's things I
would have never thought of. I personally, Yes, I've heard
of the Amazon, but I never thought of how I
could dig into that. I've heard of Saint Germaine, but
I didn't really know the history behind that. Oftentimes, when
novels were written, especially if it's a series or someone's
known for a particular way of writing, they tend to
lean more toward what is going on in the world
today instead of looking back years and years and years ago.
And that's why I always think how you put together
your books is so fantastic.
Speaker 1: Man, I'd like to do both. I like to explore
these historical themes but also to see how it impacts
us today. I've written be Crucible with dealt with artificial intelligence,
and they did a lot of research, talk to different
AI scientists. I think mostly because I think a lot
of writers work through their own fears to try to,
you know, put a nice little bow tie there. I've
solved artificial intelligence. Now I cannot have to be worried
about it. So at the end of everyone in my
books is that what's true what's not? Section where I
sort of full carts the curtain and let you know
what's true in the story, what's fictional? Where I got
these ideas for the story if there's any eli breadcrumb.
So if if you have any interesting in the topics,
I raised you to follow them. So I think, you know,
I guess I want to build a roller coaster of
an adventure. I wanted to keep the heart pumping. I
want you reading late into the night. So I'm hoping
that when you close that book that I've left with
a little bit of resident something to think about, something
to explore. But I think one way to do that
is to look at the way the past influences the present.
You know, there's an old line, if you ignore history,
you're likely to repeat it again. You know, there's lessons
to be learned from history, and if I can show
to shine a light of it on that, then all
the better. Heevens. But we have a lot of threats
right now, at a lot of chaos, and if I can,
in my small little corner of the world, you know,
maybe offer a little bit of insight and all better
while of course having a big roller coaster adventure. Nice.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it, wrap it all together,
and I love what you said earlier about because I'm
a true believer is too. There's a kernel of truth
to everything. You know, how big it gets or how
grandiose it grows from there, who knows. But I love
the fact that there's a little bit of something because
it had to come from somewhere. So I love what
you said there. Well, we're going to take a quick
break right now. We'll come back and chat a little
bit further with number one New York Times best selling
author James Rawlins talking about the book Trust No One
and want to dig more into whitening styles.
Speaker 1: I just love that.
Speaker 2: Of course I need to pick it from the expert.
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you are a conversation with New York Times bestselling author
James Wallins and his latest book, Trust No One. So
you you mentioned a little bit earlier about the sort
of the goal that you have and some of the
things you hope that the readers get from it. I
love the fact that yet any great thriller or novel
is one that you want to stay up late at
night and you can't put downs. And you definitely accomplished
that year with this particular one. Was there any other
additional goals or any walkaways that you wanted to accomplish
that perhaps is different from some of the things where
maybe perhaps what you always try to do when you
put together a great novel.
Speaker 1: Written eighteen signal course novels which are a ensemble cast,
so they're they're big, complicated stories, jumping into different perspectives
all the time. I wanted to write a much more
linear story. I wanted to make it much for a
fast pace. In the chapter of the shorter everything's quicker,
we're following this email on the run almost exclusively. Can
little peek at the bad guys here and there. But
my goal was to see if how quickly I can
run them through their paces without losing the audience. So
that was one of my goals, was to create a lean,
mean thriller or something that versus the more complicated stories
I usually write, right, and.
Speaker 2: It did a great job with that, you know, And
when I read through the book and my thought pattern was, Okay,
what's the next adventure? Because I could very easily see
whether it's this cast of characters or a tweak in
the type of characters. Another great roller coaster ride, you
know that I could tie on to this as well,
if you chose.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at this point, I always like to
lead this story a little open ended because I think
I'll act a little bit of feeling like there's there's
still more to go on in these people's lives, rather
than having a completely you know, bow tie ending where
everything's solved and accomplished. And I liked a little bit
of mystery left at the end. And of course that
allows me if I want to right to I could
write a sequel. There you go, love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about the the You've got the the
numerous magazine subscriptions. I love how you say that, and
you've got these stockpiles of folders of great ideas and stuff.
How do you determine what the next thing is? Is
it something you're like, Okay, I'm looking through these games,
it's like, yeah, I've been meaning to get to this.
Or is it something that someone happens to say at
some point You're like that triggers that.
Speaker 1: A little bit of everything. The most common way is,
because I collect so many ideas, I have to rain
them in because I try to keep them all within
just one set of one set of folder, so I
have over here. If they begin to balloon out of that,
I will have to dump them out and search through
them and go, oh, well, somebody else is howard to
handle that topic, So let's get rid of that. All
of the science has changed, it's no longer accurate. Let's
get rid of that. So then what happens, though, is
as all these bit's a pieceuse I don't have any organizations,
do is they're just crammed together. I wish I was
better organized, just some probably the bottom is mice nesting
down there. Nice, But I like that chaos because what
happens is oftentimes is I'll put that, have it spread
of bits and pieces on the floor, going through them,
and all of a sudden, I'll pick up two things.
This bit of science has a bit of history. And
nowhere in my own weird imagination would I've ever connected
them just out of the blue. But because I'm looking
at them most of the same time and go, hey,
I can see how these can connect. And then I'll
do some research and go, you know, is there a
story there? And oftentimes there's not that I can throw
them back in the box. But oftimes we happen to
snowball begins building, I'll find more things that tie together
and there's that excitement that builds, And that's what I'm
looking for. I'm looking for that story that gets me excited.
I want to be passionate about the topic I'm writing
about so that it comes up on a page. So
it's a bit of serendipity, a bit of magic. Some
part of me is secretly fearful that that will disappear
suddenly no matter what papers I grasped. The story's not
going to come together anywhere. But so far, after forty
six books, it so far as holding again. Yeah, I
think you're holding it together there, that's for sure. So
the research part of it always fascinates me because you know,
everybody has to do research. You can't downplay what the
research is because there's gonna be some reader out there
that's going to catch you on something.
Speaker 2: But you've got a lot going on. You've got a
lot of you know, not only the characters, but real
life characters, characters from the past, locations. You're going to
numerous locations. How do you put together that type of
research to make sure that a you're accurate and be
that it is a fascinating place or person that we're
talking about.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I like I like researching. It's
a great deal of fun to, you know, go down
into rabbit holes and see where it leads. Some people
ask me, do you have like a team that does
the research for you, or do you have somebody hire
to go look for information. I don't. I want to
do it myself because what I find Oftentimes when I'm
down that rabbit hole, I will find that tom goles
in a different direction, find something that I would never
have thought about in that ecpent of the story unless
I was the research myself. And oftentimes I'm thinking, I'm
need this fat, I'm going to chase that fat. But
then I discovered something even more exciting and route to
that fact. Whereas I signed somebody to look that up
for me, they would have just come back with the answer.
But trying to find that answer, oftentimes I find something
even more incredible, more exciting to write about. But I
will allow myself basically ninety days of this I had
when I wrote the very first Sigma Force novel. This
was what I learned. I'm only allowed myself ninety days
of research on the ninety first day, I have to
begin writing. What I found when I was writing Sandstorm,
the first book in the Sigma series, was that I
was just researching and researching and researching and realizing there's
nothing coming out on that page. You know, I'm enjoying
my research, but it's not producing a book. So I
try to cram all my big research locations, characters, science
and history in those ninety days, whether it's you know,
online research, calling people off, calling scientists, I love to
call the scientists. By the way, scientists will tell you
anything if you show interest in their topic because their
wives and their husbands no longer want to hear about that.
So if they have an avid audience, they will tell
you anything and everything. But I lovely also asking scientists.
Don't tell me what you're going to write your next
journal article, this book you're working on your look over
your shoulder and tell me what's on your lab able
right now. I need that immediacly. I want that current
because it takes me a while to write a book,
and so science changes very rapidly. If I don't get
that that sets a current, really cutting edge element of
the science, it might be too old or wrong by
the time my book comes out, So I do all
that ninety days of research initially, but of course every
single day, every single page. You know, I got to
go on Google Earth, and you know, where's the Starbucks
in the city that you know, If I'm going to
say they're going to Starbucks, I better get the location
right because if I get it wrong, there's gonna be
one star Amazon or review saying he doesn't know where
Starbucks is in Cincinnati. It's a got to get those
details right, That's it, which is powerful. But it's a
powerful also because I like, if you get to telling
details correct, then people will believe anything after that. Fat
I said, if I tell you where the Starbucks is
in Qualumpoor and you've ever been to Qualumpoor and go,
oh my gosh, really this is a Starbucks in the intersection.
When I tell you that there's telepath that more Superial
creatures that live underneath an arcticle, probably is because they've
got the Starbucks location correct. So if you get up
telling details, you can carry the reader to some pretty
fantastical spaces.
Speaker 2: That's right, So get your Starbucks correct and everything else
is easy. Breezing not a problem. Don't believe anything you say,
I love that. I don't know if it's a good
way to go in life, but yes, I love that,
know and I go to Starbucks every day, So there
you go. So I love that aspect of it. And
I don't know how you do. I applaud you for
tying it down into ninety days. To me, just trying
to track even if you don't go to the places,
even if you've been there and done that, just if
you went online to dig up information, went to your
local library, what called your scientists up. How you can
this set down to ninety days is amazing to me.
Speaker 1: Well, you do make a good point, and I always
stress this to writers out there. You really don't have
to travel to the places that you write about. I've
only probably been to maybe seventy percent of the places
I'll write about there thirty percent I've never set foot
in them. I mentioned Sandstorm, the fourth book in the
Simple Before series, takes place in the country of Oman.
Never been. But what I like to do again, part
about research is I will try to find boots on
the ground. I will try to find somebody local that
will somebody tell me about their place, tell me things
that I'm not going to find from doing the Bookipedia
search or do the Google Earth search. I liken these
little weird details that people tell me. So when I
was writing Sandstorm, I found a gentleman that was selling
Omani products online out of local spook in Oman. It's
a contact and by email I said, hey, you go
on writing a book on Oman. I liked to be
able to test by you know, I could do some research,
but can I give you what I'm writing and make
sure it's accurate. Do you know anything you know that
might be cool that I could add to the book.
So I found like little details that I couldn't find
anywhere else, like the Sultan of Oman was trained in
Britain as it was educated, and so every day at
noon and every radio station it requires that you play
classical music. So I would never found that out unless
I was talking to this guy online. So I just
found that fascinating, this little tibot to throw in there,
that at noon every radio station is classical music because
that's what the sultanate likes, that's what it gets. That's funny.
I also found out that one of the largest purchasers
of Christmas trees in the Middle East is in the
country of Oman. So just little detail like that that
would just never found online. You just have to sometimes
just find those boots on the ground, people that are
willing to talk to you. So if I wrote Sandstorm,
you know I had a lot of these oil executives,
I was in Oman and this year? What years where
you were in Oman? Because you know you clearly have
beene here, No, never been right, fascinating. You don't have
to travel for these countries. Don't figure, Oh, I don't
have the you know, the budget to travel to Paris
to write about adventure in Paris.
Speaker 2: You don't have to, right, Yeah, unless your editor is
willing to pay for that, and then they may.
Speaker 1: Very true, did pick advantash of that for sure?
Speaker 2: And the Christmas Tree thing sounds like a great Jeopardy question.
So I'm looking forward to see you going.
Speaker 1: Far trivia. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2: Will everybody go out and pick up a copy of
the book, or I think James Rowlands does pick up
the whole everything. Just find all of them, you do,
But this one in particular is very very exciting. It's unique.
It takes you to places that you've only thought you'd
want to go, in places you've always dreamed of going.
It's a great thriller. Of course. The book's called Trust
No One by James Rollins. James, where can people find
out more about you?
Speaker 6: The book?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Tours, places, online events, all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: Sure, well, my so, Michael on the Encyclopedia of James Rollins.
Is my website, you know, James Rollins dot com. I'm
not that imagined of a title, but that's what it is.
But if you want to for the day and day
out of what's going on my life? You know, what's
going with my dogs, what's going on with life in general?
You know how much snowfall? We're having a cop here
in Tahoe.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Finally, on social media, I'm not poster. Twitter and Facebook
and Instagram and Blue Skuy pretty much find me any
work there you.
Speaker 2: Go everybody before end him on all those tracking, tracing,
whatever the latest terminology are is going on in social media.
But definitely go pick up a copy of the book.
And if you get a chance to meet James the person,
you're going to be thrilled to death about that. And
of course the latest book is called Trust No One.
Definitely a thriller by New York Times Number one New
York Times bestselling author James Rollins. James, great to see
you again. Great to talk to you again, and look
forward to chat with you somewhere down the road.
Speaker 1: All right, please do look forward to it. Tim. Thanks.
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