1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: This is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. 2 00:00:07,719 --> 00:00:11,599 Speaker 2: Welcome to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. This se 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,039 host Tim Link and I'm so glad you're joining us today. 4 00:00:14,359 --> 00:00:18,640 We've got our old friend back with another fantastic novel. 5 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:22,079 We're talking about, of course, James Rawlins and the new 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:23,399 books called Trust No. 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 3: One. 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,079 Speaker 2: A thriller indeed, So we're gonna talk to James a 9 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:31,199 little bit about the book itself, what makes it fascinating, 10 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:34,119 of course it's part of the Sigma four series, and 11 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:37,039 how it ties in maybe or stands alone from the 12 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:39,679 other parts of the series. 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James, 33 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,280 welcome back to the show. 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: Thanks Tim, I appreciate it. I always love talking to you. 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Same here, same here. Always excited, always 36 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:04,319 excited to get a copy of anything you've written the 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,640 sigma Fore series, for sure, and pick your brain a 38 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,000 little bit about that and just dive into the whole 39 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,639 writings scene in general. But tell us about the latest. 40 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,759 It's a trust No One and it is definitely a thriller. 41 00:02:17,159 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 42 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,879 Speaker 1: This is a sort of a standalone again, has a 43 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,719 lot of the aspects of Sigma four. It's a lot 44 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:24,680 of adventure, big roller coaster, but it starts with a 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,800 ritualistic murder of a professor at the University of Exeter, 46 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,439 which is just outside of London, and the suspects is 47 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:34,639 his own students, all of whom and this is true. 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,439 There's over at the University of Exeter there is a 49 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:41,680 degree program in witchcraft and a cult. That is, I 50 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:44,240 teach you how to split the cast spells. Basically, it's 51 00:02:44,039 --> 00:02:48,199 a rigorous program on academic study of history, practices, beliefs. 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,759 Speaker 2: Right, so if you're a Hogworth fan, you don't need 53 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,599 to go there, or you do one the. 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: Two little bit of both probably, But because you know 55 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,759 this ritualistic murder gets pinned on his students. They're on 56 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,120 the run, but prior the man's death they were. He 57 00:03:02,199 --> 00:03:06,080 thrust this century's old alchemist journal onto one of the students, 58 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,439 an American that's enrolled in the program, and it's an 59 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,439 encryptodiary of an eighteenth cent ronistic in Norder's account of 60 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:16,080 Saint Germain. This is surreal historical figure. He was sort 61 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,479 of a period of nowhere and in France or during 62 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:22,599 the time of King Louis the sixteenth reign, just prior 63 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,599 to the French Revolution, and came out of nowhere. He 64 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,199 spoke a dozen languages. Who's a painter of violinists, a scientist. 65 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:34,120 He supposedly could remove flaws from diamonds. He composed music. 66 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:35,759 You can find some of the music. It's still in 67 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:39,199 the British Museum. But what's odd about him is that, 68 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:42,159 I mean, the contemporaries were he was sort of like 69 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:47,319 an influencer slash little hero of his time. You can 70 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,879 find mentioned in the writings of Casanova bult While. They 71 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,240 said he's a man who does not die and who 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,159 knows everything. But what's weird is that after the man 73 00:03:57,159 --> 00:04:01,000 had supposedly died, sightings of him continued. People continue to say, 74 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:03,719 as like GERMANE so and so well, he died a 75 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:07,479 decade ago. Even to today, some people believe that this 76 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,000 man was immortal, that he had the secret of immortality. 77 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,599 Even in nineteen seventy two there was a French public figure, 78 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:16,720 Richard Shanfrey, who appeared on television and claimed he was 79 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,319 indeed the immortal count. So again, me, as a thriller 80 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:22,120 writer of it, this is a cool character. Is he 81 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,920 a fraud? Is he charlatan? Is he is? There some 82 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,839 truth behind his story? But his diary is journal that 83 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,040 it supposedly has the secret of immortality ends up in 84 00:04:32,079 --> 00:04:35,519 this hand of this American student enrolled in this program, 85 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:37,920 and she and her friends are forced to flee. They're 86 00:04:37,959 --> 00:04:40,759 pursued by law enforcement, they're hunted by a powerful cabal 87 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,720 who actually murdered their teacher, and the race sends them 88 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:45,720 across the Europe to uncover the secrets of the book, 89 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,959 especially the diaries opening words, which are hear in lives, 90 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,560 the Secret to My Immortality Come finally, if you dare 91 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,120 nice now. 92 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: And I love the fact that when in writing, everything 93 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:00,480 that you do in this one in particular, is you know, 94 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:02,879 you have so much going on. You have you know, 95 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,759 key figure, you know, with some intrigue and interest behind it. 96 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,800 You have places that we only dreamed of going, you know, 97 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,920 our travels, or may have never heard of, and have 98 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,839 to investigate that, and you wrap that all into something 99 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:20,279 that is really to me a modern day you know, 100 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:23,120 sort of like the great search. You're looking for the 101 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,360 tomb or the chalice or these type of things, and 102 00:05:26,399 --> 00:05:29,199 now you've got it all put together in this great 103 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,120 investigation piece. So it's very exciting. 104 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: I let my not let's be a bit of a travelogue, 105 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,079 you know, I want to take my it's escape ast fiction. 106 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,519 My goal is to entertain you, but also in a 107 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,600 shed light on pieces of history and weird science, but 108 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,680 also take you to locations that might not be aware of. 109 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:48,079 I don't think rememberroom anything, but there's a key scene 110 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,680 takes place in the Tower of London, which is still 111 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,639 in prison at all prison in London, and I've been 112 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,240 there a few times and a couple things. Truck Number 113 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,480 one is gosh, if I was trapped in here, could 114 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,319 I get out? So a part of the story is 115 00:06:03,399 --> 00:06:06,399 can these characters end up being basically trapped in the 116 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:09,839 Tower of London, surrounded by law enforcement, hunted by this cabal? 117 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,800 You know, can they break out of the Tower of 118 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,680 London and escape their pursuers. So I'm not gonna say 119 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,560 how they do that, but you know, you have to 120 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,879 read the book. But also what number two has struck 121 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,519 me is the Ravens. You know, the Tower of London 122 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,399 is notorious for the Ravens occupy the territory. That the 123 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,360 rumor is basically, if the Ravens ever leave the Tower 124 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:31,120 of London, that London, that it's the end of Western civilization. 125 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,920 So there, and I learned also about how well ravens 126 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,399 can talk. You know, I knew ravens very smart did 127 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,199 give a veterinarian I knew something background and part of 128 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,279 my projects with Avian medicine, so I was familiar with 129 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:47,560 the ability of ravens to minic similar to parrots, but 130 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,240 I didn't quite realize how well they weren't. I was 131 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,800 doing my research for this novel, read a book called 132 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,959 The Raven Masters, written by one of the guys that 133 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:58,000 was taking care of the ravens the Tower of London. 134 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,560 Again a cool little kid bits sort of kept their 135 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,279 folded to the novel. But also I went to TikTok 136 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:06,000 and saw a couple of people that had ravebits that 137 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,279 they're taught to talk and is it's a founding how 138 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:13,120 perfectly they can enunciate and carry accents and minic sounds, 139 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:17,360 you know, car horns, sirens. So again, just I like 140 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,639 shining a light out of things that I found pretty 141 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:21,480 incredible that I could put into a novel. 142 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: That's right for you kids. TikTok is not all about 143 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:28,639 people hurting themselves or little kittens, though they're really really cute, 144 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:29,519 there's more to it than that. 145 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: So I love that. 146 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: You know, that's funny you mentioned that because I've been 147 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,160 to the Tower of London too, and spent quite a 148 00:07:36,199 --> 00:07:38,519 bit of time in London and some of the surrounding 149 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,240 universities at Cambridge, Oxford, et cetera. And I too. As 150 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:43,720 soon as I went in there, I'm like, this is 151 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:46,519 something guy gets hard to escape. But I guess I 152 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:53,079 wasn't surrounded by guards and time and yeah, back in 153 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,959 the day, we didn't have some of the things that 154 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,319 we have today. So yeah, perhaps not. So going to 155 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,439 the story without giving it away, what are some of 156 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:04,839 the key characters? Do you send her around? Certain student 157 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,920 aspects going on, because it sounds like, you know, like 158 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,959 I mentioned, part of the great race, but yet they're 159 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:11,560 trying to pin a murder on someone. 160 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:14,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the main character is that American student named 161 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:17,560 Sharon Carr. She's never been to London before, she's never 162 00:08:17,639 --> 00:08:21,240 been outside. She graduated from the University of Olah, so 163 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,000 this is a grand new adventure for her. She feels 164 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 a little bit of a she feels out of her element, 165 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:28,639 feels a little bit lost, a little confused. She has 166 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,319 been to a hard upbringing. So she carried all the 167 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,320 baggage with her into town and all of a sudden, 168 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,159 you know, one night she's worked the late at the library. 169 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:38,159 Her professor in the head of her apartment comes rushing 170 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,200 at her and shoves this book in her hands and says, 171 00:08:40,279 --> 00:08:42,360 you know, don't open it. They'll try to open it. 172 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,559 Don't let anybody know you have this. This flee run 173 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,320 And the final words he tests of her, of course, 174 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,559 is the title of novel is trust no One. And 175 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:53,320 that sends her on the run. She teams up with 176 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,039 some of her Two of her roommates are on the 177 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,639 run with her. One is a Scottish gentleman. He's a 178 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,840 mild case of super Bowl palsy. So again I just 179 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,159 try to see, you know, can you have a hero 180 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,360 that suffers from such an infliction? So I did a 181 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,399 lot of research insto policy and try to find out 182 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:14,440 how could you do that? And some of his ailments 183 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,559 play depart and story. And one of my other roommates 184 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,320 is a Welsh woman that is an influencer on witchtop. 185 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:23,519 I don't know what we talk about TikTok before, but 186 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,960 there's actually probably called witch talk. It's it's some feed 187 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,080 of TikTok where people get together talk about again witchcraft, 188 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,879 sometimes from as a terrorist standpoint, sometimes from a sort 189 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,559 of fantastical aspect. Again, I so shadowed Witch Shock for 190 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,320 a while just to see what was going on there, 191 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,639 and she's sort of an influenced on her and her 192 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:46,440 role of app It is a big role sharing cards, 193 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:51,600 nemesis slash love interests in Diane Duncan Maxwell. He's this 194 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,120 the sixteenth line to the British Crown, a bit pompous ass, 195 00:09:55,639 --> 00:09:57,440 but he's also a bit of a savant, and there's 196 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,720 aspects of his character that is as they're on the run, 197 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,320 you're peeling back and you find out he's much more 198 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,799 complicated than these seams on the surface. So kind it's 199 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:08,720 just fun training. He's jamming all these characters from dispar 200 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:11,639 arts of the world and having them to try to 201 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:14,200 form this function on you trying to be Sigma Force 202 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:16,320 before without any type of organization. 203 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, And I love that. I mean, 204 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:20,559 I had to pick your brain on that as well, 205 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:23,639 because you're always It always fascinates me when I read 206 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:26,639 through your books, is the fact that how do you 207 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:29,639 come up with this? You know, for instance, if we're 208 00:10:29,639 --> 00:10:31,960 part of it says Sigma Force or any sort of series, 209 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,840 even though it's a standalone book, do you have to 210 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,799 keep the theme sort of going the same type of 211 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:42,000 material and great adventure in these type of things, Then 212 00:10:42,039 --> 00:10:45,080 how do you handle the characters. Do you introduce one 213 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,600 or two new characters or is it a whole different type, 214 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,360 a whole different group of characters. In this case, we 215 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,559 have a lot of different Once. 216 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,519 Speaker 1: There's definitely pros and cons on doing the series versus 217 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,360 doing the standalone. You know, the series, you can explore 218 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,080 a character's life over the cour of several books, so 219 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,879 you get a sort of the larger breadth of their past, 220 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,600 their history at present day where things are headed. Whereas 221 00:11:08,759 --> 00:11:11,240 with a standalone you're introducing a new set of characters. 222 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:13,240 You got to get them on the run fast. You've 223 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:15,480 got to sort of establish a relationship between your reader 224 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:17,679 and that character so that if I dangle them over 225 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,600 a cliff, you're gonna you know, I need you to 226 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,120 care if they fall. If you don't care if they fall, 227 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,360 story ain't working. So you know, you've got to build 228 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,200 a lot of there's a lot of juggling going on 229 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,799 to try to introduce a new set of characters, a 230 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:35,279 new threat, and get them all running as quickly as possible. 231 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:37,399 So it is a bit of a juggling act, right, 232 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:37,799 And so. 233 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 2: When you put together the book, trust no one. Did 234 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,960 it start off as a topic that you heard about 235 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,440 or was interested in, and you sort of build up 236 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:50,679 from there. You build characters around that particular topic or 237 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:52,679 was it something that you know was more of your 238 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:54,399 You've been setting on it for a while and thinking 239 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,279 this is this is fascinating, I need to dig into 240 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:56,960 it at this time. 241 00:11:57,279 --> 00:11:59,879 Speaker 1: Well the latter you know, I've always got my intent 242 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,200 up for that next story idea, because you know, I've 243 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,559 been generally been doing two books a year, so i 244 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,399 have to come up with these new ideas, and I've 245 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,120 got to be also excited about it. I think readers 246 00:12:10,159 --> 00:12:13,679 have a good nose on them. They know when someone's 247 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,279 not excited about it. If a writer's not passionate about 248 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,000 what he's writing about, I think it comes off on 249 00:12:19,039 --> 00:12:21,240 the page. So I would try to find topics that 250 00:12:21,399 --> 00:12:23,519 I'm excited about. Oh, I think at this point I 251 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,120 have twenty different subscriptions. The magazines that I have for 252 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,039 me a Sthonian, Archaeology, New Scientists side of the American 253 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,960 and I'm always was just bringing through them looking for 254 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,360 anything that might become the seed for story, whether it's 255 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,440 a but it's weird science that makes people weares that headed, 256 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,519 or maybe historical mystery, some piece of history it's in 257 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,799 a question mark, something that can maybe solve on the 258 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:47,440 pages of a novel. So for Trust No One, it 259 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,240 began with the history. I had a hold a little 260 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:52,159 folder on Saint Germaine because I though, I don't know 261 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:54,600 what would do with this guy, but he's he's such 262 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:57,360 a fun cast think about, so you know, how do 263 00:12:57,399 --> 00:12:58,840 I build a story around him? So it took a 264 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:01,159 while to figure that out. I like the idea that 265 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,679 he was a scientist, so you know, that gets to 266 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:07,080 the elements of the weird science that I love to explore, 267 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:09,440 the fact that he might be immortal. Could they bring 268 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,759 any truth to that? That's the thing I love to explore. 269 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,480 Is there what's the seed of truth behind a myth? 270 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:18,159 A lot of mythology sounds fantastical, but oftentimes it's based 271 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,600 on some type of cridinal of truth. So is there 272 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,399 some cridinal truth behind his wild stories of Saint Germaine? 273 00:13:23,879 --> 00:13:26,919 So that's again what I started layering the story together. 274 00:13:27,039 --> 00:13:28,919 So that becomes the first part and the second part 275 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,919 is what story am I going to tell? And who's 276 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,080 going to populate that story? What character is going to 277 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,279 carry that forward? But that's for this novel. Every other 278 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:38,360 novel it starts different ways. I wrote a book on 279 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:40,679 Amazonia just because I wanted to write a book about 280 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,159 the Amazon. I wanted to have this big jungle adventure, 281 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,919 so that's where it started from. Other books were based 282 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,759 on characters. You know, I get an idea for a 283 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,799 real cool character, and then I begin to build a 284 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:51,799 story around there. I wish there was a pattern. I 285 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,679 wish I could do, say A, B and C and 286 00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:56,559 then done. It comes from different directions all the time. 287 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: Well, and I love that about how you go about 288 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:03,279 craft in your books. You know, it's all authors do 289 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,879 it their own unique way. They have their own way 290 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:08,600 of doing things, especially if they're doing a known for 291 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:12,279 a particular series or particular type of writing. But everything 292 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,120 you do, from what I read, is it's things I 293 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:17,679 would have never thought of. I personally, Yes, I've heard 294 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,000 of the Amazon, but I never thought of how I 295 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:22,720 could dig into that. I've heard of Saint Germaine, but 296 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:25,720 I didn't really know the history behind that. Oftentimes, when 297 00:14:25,919 --> 00:14:28,799 novels were written, especially if it's a series or someone's 298 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,519 known for a particular way of writing, they tend to 299 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,159 lean more toward what is going on in the world 300 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,519 today instead of looking back years and years and years ago. 301 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:39,840 And that's why I always think how you put together 302 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,519 your books is so fantastic. 303 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: Man, I'd like to do both. I like to explore 304 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,440 these historical themes but also to see how it impacts 305 00:14:47,799 --> 00:14:51,840 us today. I've written be Crucible with dealt with artificial intelligence, 306 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,080 and they did a lot of research, talk to different 307 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,480 AI scientists. I think mostly because I think a lot 308 00:14:56,519 --> 00:14:59,799 of writers work through their own fears to try to, 309 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:02,080 you know, put a nice little bow tie there. I've 310 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,159 solved artificial intelligence. Now I cannot have to be worried 311 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:07,440 about it. So at the end of everyone in my 312 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,440 books is that what's true what's not? Section where I 313 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:12,840 sort of full carts the curtain and let you know 314 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,559 what's true in the story, what's fictional? Where I got 315 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:18,679 these ideas for the story if there's any eli breadcrumb. 316 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:20,799 So if if you have any interesting in the topics, 317 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,360 I raised you to follow them. So I think, you know, 318 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,840 I guess I want to build a roller coaster of 319 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:26,919 an adventure. I wanted to keep the heart pumping. I 320 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,519 want you reading late into the night. So I'm hoping 321 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:32,320 that when you close that book that I've left with 322 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:34,480 a little bit of resident something to think about, something 323 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:36,679 to explore. But I think one way to do that 324 00:15:36,919 --> 00:15:40,120 is to look at the way the past influences the present. 325 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,559 You know, there's an old line, if you ignore history, 326 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,720 you're likely to repeat it again. You know, there's lessons 327 00:15:44,799 --> 00:15:47,360 to be learned from history, and if I can show 328 00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:49,120 to shine a light of it on that, then all 329 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:51,519 the better. Heevens. But we have a lot of threats 330 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,080 right now, at a lot of chaos, and if I can, 331 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:57,919 in my small little corner of the world, you know, 332 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,320 maybe offer a little bit of insight and all better 333 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,480 while of course having a big roller coaster adventure. Nice. 334 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:05,799 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it, wrap it all together, 335 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,759 and I love what you said earlier about because I'm 336 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:09,799 a true believer is too. There's a kernel of truth 337 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,679 to everything. You know, how big it gets or how 338 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:16,159 grandiose it grows from there, who knows. But I love 339 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,200 the fact that there's a little bit of something because 340 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,080 it had to come from somewhere. So I love what 341 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,360 you said there. Well, we're going to take a quick 342 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:25,120 break right now. We'll come back and chat a little 343 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,720 bit further with number one New York Times best selling 344 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:30,879 author James Rawlins talking about the book Trust No One 345 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,559 and want to dig more into whitening styles. 346 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: I just love that. 347 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,559 Speaker 2: Of course I need to pick it from the expert. 348 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:38,960 So everybody hang site, we'll come back rap for this 349 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,960 commercial break. You're listening to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. 350 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,039 Real people, real stories. 351 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: Our little dog have heloped this limp problem. 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That's c A r N 372 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,000 I v O r A dot com. 373 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,319 Speaker 1: Use promo code pet Life at checkout for fifteen percent 374 00:17:51,519 --> 00:17:56,400 off your order at carnivora dot com. Let's talk fast. 375 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,799 Let's cone pestal about radio headline radio at life radio 376 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,000 dot com. 377 00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: Welcome back to animal rights on pet Life Radio. And 378 00:18:09,039 --> 00:18:11,720 you are a conversation with New York Times bestselling author 379 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:15,799 James Wallins and his latest book, Trust No One. So 380 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,279 you you mentioned a little bit earlier about the sort 381 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:20,039 of the goal that you have and some of the 382 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,079 things you hope that the readers get from it. I 383 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,319 love the fact that yet any great thriller or novel 384 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,000 is one that you want to stay up late at 385 00:18:28,079 --> 00:18:30,720 night and you can't put downs. And you definitely accomplished 386 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:33,599 that year with this particular one. Was there any other 387 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,240 additional goals or any walkaways that you wanted to accomplish 388 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:39,680 that perhaps is different from some of the things where 389 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,880 maybe perhaps what you always try to do when you 390 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,279 put together a great novel. 391 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: Written eighteen signal course novels which are a ensemble cast, 392 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:52,720 so they're they're big, complicated stories, jumping into different perspectives 393 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,200 all the time. I wanted to write a much more 394 00:18:54,279 --> 00:18:56,559 linear story. I wanted to make it much for a 395 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,839 fast pace. In the chapter of the shorter everything's quicker, 396 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,279 we're following this email on the run almost exclusively. Can 397 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:05,440 little peek at the bad guys here and there. But 398 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,440 my goal was to see if how quickly I can 399 00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:11,759 run them through their paces without losing the audience. So 400 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:14,440 that was one of my goals, was to create a lean, 401 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:18,960 mean thriller or something that versus the more complicated stories 402 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,720 I usually write, right, and. 403 00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: It did a great job with that, you know, And 404 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:25,519 when I read through the book and my thought pattern was, Okay, 405 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:28,279 what's the next adventure? Because I could very easily see 406 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,000 whether it's this cast of characters or a tweak in 407 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,480 the type of characters. Another great roller coaster ride, you 408 00:19:35,559 --> 00:19:37,759 know that I could tie on to this as well, 409 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:38,599 if you chose. 410 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:38,759 Speaker 3: To do that. 411 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at this point, I always like to 412 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:43,480 lead this story a little open ended because I think 413 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,240 I'll act a little bit of feeling like there's there's 414 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,119 still more to go on in these people's lives, rather 415 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,960 than having a completely you know, bow tie ending where 416 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,720 everything's solved and accomplished. And I liked a little bit 417 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:58,599 of mystery left at the end. And of course that 418 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,559 allows me if I want to right to I could 419 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:02,920 write a sequel. There you go, love it. I love it. 420 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: So let's talk about the the You've got the the 421 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:09,599 numerous magazine subscriptions. I love how you say that, and 422 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,039 you've got these stockpiles of folders of great ideas and stuff. 423 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,000 How do you determine what the next thing is? Is 424 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:19,559 it something you're like, Okay, I'm looking through these games, 425 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:21,240 it's like, yeah, I've been meaning to get to this. 426 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,119 Or is it something that someone happens to say at 427 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,039 some point You're like that triggers that. 428 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:30,759 Speaker 1: A little bit of everything. The most common way is, 429 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,960 because I collect so many ideas, I have to rain 430 00:20:35,079 --> 00:20:37,559 them in because I try to keep them all within 431 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,640 just one set of one set of folder, so I 432 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,279 have over here. If they begin to balloon out of that, 433 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,880 I will have to dump them out and search through 434 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,920 them and go, oh, well, somebody else is howard to 435 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,519 handle that topic, So let's get rid of that. All 436 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:52,119 of the science has changed, it's no longer accurate. Let's 437 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,440 get rid of that. So then what happens, though, is 438 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,200 as all these bit's a pieceuse I don't have any organizations, 439 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,079 do is they're just crammed together. I wish I was 440 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,519 better organized, just some probably the bottom is mice nesting 441 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:05,440 down there. Nice, But I like that chaos because what 442 00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:08,119 happens is oftentimes is I'll put that, have it spread 443 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,160 of bits and pieces on the floor, going through them, 444 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:13,200 and all of a sudden, I'll pick up two things. 445 00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:15,599 This bit of science has a bit of history. And 446 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:18,960 nowhere in my own weird imagination would I've ever connected 447 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,799 them just out of the blue. But because I'm looking 448 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:22,400 at them most of the same time and go, hey, 449 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,559 I can see how these can connect. And then I'll 450 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:26,440 do some research and go, you know, is there a 451 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:29,160 story there? And oftentimes there's not that I can throw 452 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,160 them back in the box. But oftimes we happen to 453 00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:34,480 snowball begins building, I'll find more things that tie together 454 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,440 and there's that excitement that builds, And that's what I'm 455 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,880 looking for. I'm looking for that story that gets me excited. 456 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:42,960 I want to be passionate about the topic I'm writing 457 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,240 about so that it comes up on a page. So 458 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:47,759 it's a bit of serendipity, a bit of magic. Some 459 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,319 part of me is secretly fearful that that will disappear 460 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,519 suddenly no matter what papers I grasped. The story's not 461 00:21:54,599 --> 00:21:57,599 going to come together anywhere. But so far, after forty 462 00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:00,680 six books, it so far as holding again. Yeah, I 463 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,119 think you're holding it together there, that's for sure. So 464 00:22:05,599 --> 00:22:08,920 the research part of it always fascinates me because you know, 465 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,839 everybody has to do research. You can't downplay what the 466 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,240 research is because there's gonna be some reader out there 467 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:16,000 that's going to catch you on something. 468 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: But you've got a lot going on. You've got a 469 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:20,799 lot of you know, not only the characters, but real 470 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,119 life characters, characters from the past, locations. You're going to 471 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,319 numerous locations. How do you put together that type of 472 00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:31,119 research to make sure that a you're accurate and be 473 00:22:31,319 --> 00:22:35,119 that it is a fascinating place or person that we're 474 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:35,759 talking about. 475 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I like I like researching. It's 476 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,960 a great deal of fun to, you know, go down 477 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,519 into rabbit holes and see where it leads. Some people 478 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:44,400 ask me, do you have like a team that does 479 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,880 the research for you, or do you have somebody hire 480 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,599 to go look for information. I don't. I want to 481 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,079 do it myself because what I find Oftentimes when I'm 482 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,720 down that rabbit hole, I will find that tom goles 483 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,880 in a different direction, find something that I would never 484 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,640 have thought about in that ecpent of the story unless 485 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,519 I was the research myself. And oftentimes I'm thinking, I'm 486 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,319 need this fat, I'm going to chase that fat. But 487 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,240 then I discovered something even more exciting and route to 488 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:11,160 that fact. Whereas I signed somebody to look that up 489 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,799 for me, they would have just come back with the answer. 490 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,920 But trying to find that answer, oftentimes I find something 491 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,279 even more incredible, more exciting to write about. But I 492 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,079 will allow myself basically ninety days of this I had 493 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,480 when I wrote the very first Sigma Force novel. This 494 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:29,240 was what I learned. I'm only allowed myself ninety days 495 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,480 of research on the ninety first day, I have to 496 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:35,640 begin writing. What I found when I was writing Sandstorm, 497 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:38,559 the first book in the Sigma series, was that I 498 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,640 was just researching and researching and researching and realizing there's 499 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,480 nothing coming out on that page. You know, I'm enjoying 500 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:48,559 my research, but it's not producing a book. So I 501 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,000 try to cram all my big research locations, characters, science 502 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:55,720 and history in those ninety days, whether it's you know, 503 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,920 online research, calling people off, calling scientists, I love to 504 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,279 call the scientists. By the way, scientists will tell you 505 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,839 anything if you show interest in their topic because their 506 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:05,960 wives and their husbands no longer want to hear about that. 507 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:08,640 So if they have an avid audience, they will tell 508 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,279 you anything and everything. But I lovely also asking scientists. 509 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:13,160 Don't tell me what you're going to write your next 510 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,039 journal article, this book you're working on your look over 511 00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:18,359 your shoulder and tell me what's on your lab able 512 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,880 right now. I need that immediacly. I want that current 513 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,480 because it takes me a while to write a book, 514 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,200 and so science changes very rapidly. If I don't get 515 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,279 that that sets a current, really cutting edge element of 516 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,240 the science, it might be too old or wrong by 517 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:32,880 the time my book comes out, So I do all 518 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,880 that ninety days of research initially, but of course every 519 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,279 single day, every single page. You know, I got to 520 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:40,359 go on Google Earth, and you know, where's the Starbucks 521 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,200 in the city that you know, If I'm going to 522 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:44,640 say they're going to Starbucks, I better get the location 523 00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:46,640 right because if I get it wrong, there's gonna be 524 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:49,000 one star Amazon or review saying he doesn't know where 525 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:53,519 Starbucks is in Cincinnati. It's a got to get those 526 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:56,279 details right, That's it, which is powerful. But it's a 527 00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:58,200 powerful also because I like, if you get to telling 528 00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:01,559 details correct, then people will believe anything after that. Fat 529 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,680 I said, if I tell you where the Starbucks is 530 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:07,319 in Qualumpoor and you've ever been to Qualumpoor and go, 531 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,279 oh my gosh, really this is a Starbucks in the intersection. 532 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,599 When I tell you that there's telepath that more Superial 533 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,839 creatures that live underneath an arcticle, probably is because they've 534 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:17,319 got the Starbucks location correct. So if you get up 535 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,559 telling details, you can carry the reader to some pretty 536 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:20,960 fantastical spaces. 537 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: That's right, So get your Starbucks correct and everything else 538 00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:27,119 is easy. Breezing not a problem. Don't believe anything you say, 539 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:29,440 I love that. I don't know if it's a good 540 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,920 way to go in life, but yes, I love that, 541 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,440 know and I go to Starbucks every day, So there 542 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,319 you go. So I love that aspect of it. And 543 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,400 I don't know how you do. I applaud you for 544 00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:43,319 tying it down into ninety days. To me, just trying 545 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,759 to track even if you don't go to the places, 546 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,799 even if you've been there and done that, just if 547 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:52,359 you went online to dig up information, went to your 548 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,559 local library, what called your scientists up. How you can 549 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,640 this set down to ninety days is amazing to me. 550 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: Well, you do make a good point, and I always 551 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,160 stress this to writers out there. You really don't have 552 00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:06,720 to travel to the places that you write about. I've 553 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:09,519 only probably been to maybe seventy percent of the places 554 00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:11,359 I'll write about there thirty percent I've never set foot 555 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,519 in them. I mentioned Sandstorm, the fourth book in the 556 00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:16,079 Simple Before series, takes place in the country of Oman. 557 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,200 Never been. But what I like to do again, part 558 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,519 about research is I will try to find boots on 559 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,640 the ground. I will try to find somebody local that 560 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,680 will somebody tell me about their place, tell me things 561 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,799 that I'm not going to find from doing the Bookipedia 562 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:32,359 search or do the Google Earth search. I liken these 563 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,480 little weird details that people tell me. So when I 564 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:38,440 was writing Sandstorm, I found a gentleman that was selling 565 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:43,079 Omani products online out of local spook in Oman. It's 566 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,119 a contact and by email I said, hey, you go 567 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,440 on writing a book on Oman. I liked to be 568 00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:49,599 able to test by you know, I could do some research, 569 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,440 but can I give you what I'm writing and make 570 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,920 sure it's accurate. Do you know anything you know that 571 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,720 might be cool that I could add to the book. 572 00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:57,920 So I found like little details that I couldn't find 573 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,680 anywhere else, like the Sultan of Oman was trained in 574 00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:04,799 Britain as it was educated, and so every day at 575 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,920 noon and every radio station it requires that you play 576 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,640 classical music. So I would never found that out unless 577 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,920 I was talking to this guy online. So I just 578 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,880 found that fascinating, this little tibot to throw in there, 579 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,079 that at noon every radio station is classical music because 580 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:21,279 that's what the sultanate likes, that's what it gets. That's funny. 581 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:24,759 I also found out that one of the largest purchasers 582 00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:27,640 of Christmas trees in the Middle East is in the 583 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,839 country of Oman. So just little detail like that that 584 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,680 would just never found online. You just have to sometimes 585 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,839 just find those boots on the ground, people that are 586 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,480 willing to talk to you. So if I wrote Sandstorm, 587 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,799 you know I had a lot of these oil executives, 588 00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:41,880 I was in Oman and this year? What years where 589 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,680 you were in Oman? Because you know you clearly have 590 00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:47,160 beene here, No, never been right, fascinating. You don't have 591 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,519 to travel for these countries. Don't figure, Oh, I don't 592 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,920 have the you know, the budget to travel to Paris 593 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:54,720 to write about adventure in Paris. 594 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,079 Speaker 2: You don't have to, right, Yeah, unless your editor is 595 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,880 willing to pay for that, and then they may. 596 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,799 Speaker 1: Very true, did pick advantash of that for sure? 597 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,759 Speaker 2: And the Christmas Tree thing sounds like a great Jeopardy question. 598 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,440 So I'm looking forward to see you going. 599 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,759 Speaker 1: Far trivia. That's it. That's it. 600 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,799 Speaker 2: Will everybody go out and pick up a copy of 601 00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:16,119 the book, or I think James Rowlands does pick up 602 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,319 the whole everything. Just find all of them, you do, 603 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,960 But this one in particular is very very exciting. It's unique. 604 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:24,680 It takes you to places that you've only thought you'd 605 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,400 want to go, in places you've always dreamed of going. 606 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:29,920 It's a great thriller. Of course. The book's called Trust 607 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,559 No One by James Rollins. James, where can people find 608 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:34,720 out more about you? 609 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 6: The book? 610 00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: What's going on? 611 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: Tours, places, online events, all that good stuff. 612 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: Sure, well, my so, Michael on the Encyclopedia of James Rollins. 613 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,200 Is my website, you know, James Rollins dot com. I'm 614 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,680 not that imagined of a title, but that's what it is. 615 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:49,319 But if you want to for the day and day 616 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:50,759 out of what's going on my life? You know, what's 617 00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:52,880 going with my dogs, what's going on with life in general? 618 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:54,599 You know how much snowfall? We're having a cop here 619 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,039 in Tahoe. 620 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 6: You know. 621 00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:59,319 Speaker 1: Finally, on social media, I'm not poster. Twitter and Facebook 622 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:02,359 and Instagram and Blue Skuy pretty much find me any 623 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,160 work there you. 624 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,519 Speaker 2: Go everybody before end him on all those tracking, tracing, 625 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,400 whatever the latest terminology are is going on in social media. 626 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,359 But definitely go pick up a copy of the book. 627 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,640 And if you get a chance to meet James the person, 628 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:17,720 you're going to be thrilled to death about that. And 629 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:20,200 of course the latest book is called Trust No One. 630 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,400 Definitely a thriller by New York Times Number one New 631 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,359 York Times bestselling author James Rollins. James, great to see 632 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,880 you again. Great to talk to you again, and look 633 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,160 forward to chat with you somewhere down the road. 634 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: All right, please do look forward to it. Tim. Thanks. 635 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're coming to the end of the 636 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,960 show today. I want to thank everyone for listening to 637 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,640 Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. I want to thank 638 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,480 the producers and sponsors for making the show possible. If 639 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,200 you have any questions, comments, ideas, or people you want 640 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,359 to hear from or listen to on the show, drops 641 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,799 the line. 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