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Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A Here at Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs.

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It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella,

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me Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson.

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Unruly an adjective that by definition means not amenable to

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discipline or control, disorderly, and so today we're not going

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to talk about invasive plant problems. Some plants are just

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delightfully somewhat out of control, unruly, the right amount of chaos,

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finding beauty and the tension between unruly and control. There

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are plenty of gardening voices out there setting boundaries for you,

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but what about some unruly gardening for example, asking yourself

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the question with some of your plants, are you willing

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to sway and flop versus staking a plant?

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Speaker 2: Well, as the president of the local chapter of the

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Unruly Gardening Club, I am going to come out in

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full support of plants doing their thing. Yeah. I mean,

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it's funny because when we were talking about the topic

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earlier this week, one of my coworkers said, oh, unruly gardens,

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I can give you pictures for that. So I'm clearly

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not alone, and I think it comes from being a

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plant lover, and you know, just kind of appreciating plants

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for what they are and what they do. But for me, really,

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I think it goes another step further. And the reason

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that I pride myself on having an unruly garden is

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I'm gardening for the bugs and the birds, and you know,

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in nature, things are not all trimmed and clipped in

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neat and tidy. Nature is a glorious, you know, array

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of plants growing together, and I aim to replicate that

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in my garden. And I'm fine with it. But I

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totally get how people how this topic is going to

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make people a little bit uncomfortable. A lot of people

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think a garden should be anything but unruly.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of people, I'm a people person, okay, And

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plants have personality like people do. That's true, and so

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I embrace it and enjoy it, especially the ones that

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are well kind of unruly. For example, I get excited

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about incredible stormproof smooth hydrangea or invinciblee we white. However,

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I appreciate and like the look of a flopping smooth hydrangea.

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For our YouTube viewers, I've got a few pictures for

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you that I took on Cape cod I kind of

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like it when they flop over. Or another example in

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spring for Scythia's can be somewhat unruly and having forcythias,

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and you know, I'm not talking about the show off

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sugar baby variety, but I'm talking about just a traditional,

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old fashioned forsythia kind of flopping along the ground and

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sticking up all over the place and the daffodils are

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coming out of the ground. I kind of feel like

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that's in unruly situation and it works. Or for example,

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one of my favorite roses, I love the oh so

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easy roses, but it could be argued that oh so

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easy roses and they're prolific blooming, can at times get

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a little bit unruly, at which point I'll take out

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my printed sures. Right, But I like that unruly nature

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of the plant, right.

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Speaker 2: And roses are a great example. And we're going to

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talk a lot more about roses in plants on trial,

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but I think the Osoeezy series and shrub roses in

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general are a great example. They are you know, work

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has been done to kind of tame them and keep

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them more compact, but if they get a lot of

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water and conditions are good, they're going to start shooting out,

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you know, growth all over the place. That's a response

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to the conditions. Yep, And that can look a little

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bit unruly. But also it's covered in flowers, so you

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know it's straight off.

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Speaker 1: When they get happy, their personality comes out. And I

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like that, I really do. So it's not about chaos

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gardening and throwing in extra plants. We are all like that.

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We'll go to the garden center. I can't leave a

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garden center without buying a few plants. And my car

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shows it. My car can be unruly. You've got fertilizer

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prills and rice holes and some soil on the floor

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and on the seats, and I can't help that. I've

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got a neighbor who's the exact opposite. He'll on a

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Saturday roll his car out, spend the entire day in

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the driveway detailing that car. I can't do that. I

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have no interest in doing. That's a matter of fact,

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to mess with him because he's always coming over asking

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me gardening questions because he likes that's my landscape, so

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he's always asking me questions about his garden. Anyhow, I'll

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back my car up, I'll open up all four doors,

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I'll fire up the leaf blower, blast everything out of

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the car, shut the doors, pull it back in the garage,

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mess with his head. And I think he kind of

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likes it. It's entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, That's the great thing is that there

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is a place for both of these personalities in life

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and in the garden. And if you do want to

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be the kind of person who plants a garden and

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you impose your will on it and you trim it

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and you keep everything from touching, that is a perfectly

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acceptable way to maintain your landscape or garden. I have

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no problem with it. It's not what I'm going to do.

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But I do think that it's important to have this

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conversation because I think that that need that people, especially

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non gardeners who are maybe interested in gardening, feel that,

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like I don't have a real garden unless everything is

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pruned and trimmed and tidy, and I don't want to

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devote that kind of work. It keeps them from gardening.

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But there is joy in the unruly, Like I said,

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it's more akin to nature. So if you're into gardening

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for the bugs and the birds like I am, if

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you just love to be surrounded by flowers. You know

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it's it's a way to garden. And I'll tell you this,

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A big side effect of having unruly garden is a

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lot less work and a lot more time to enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: So just saying no, I agree one hundred percent. Some

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examples for you. I love the mop top fountain, weeping

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butterfly bush and talk about breaking the rules. Long slender,

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weeping branches that are covered in lavender flowers in spring

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and hardy down to zone four. Here's another example, raspberries

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in your garden. Having raspberries is like having a bad

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hair day, but oh so delicious. Individual raspberry canes are biennial,

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meaning they live for two growing seasons, but there's perning

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involved when you're dealing with Flora.

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Speaker 2: Kans anthorn's anthorns exactly unrumed. But you know you got

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to pay the price for those delicious raspberries, you got it.

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Speaker 1: I would love a combination of treasure trove Rudebecia with

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xenias and cosmos and Stacy. I view cosmos as one

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of those unruly plants in the landscape that fits in perfectly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can put that anywhere, and it is an

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absolutely welcome addition to the garden, and if you like

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the cool pinks and whites, you can go with your

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regular cosmos. And if you like the hot colors like

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grow just as easily. So there's kind of something for everybody.

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Speaker 1: I love it, so it's all a matter of opinion.

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In segment four, we're going to talk to Eric and

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Christopher from Grow for Me Gardening and there's Zone six,

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a garden in upstate New York. I got a kick

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out of watching some of their videos because Eric gives

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tough stuff fun one of my favorite high ranges at ten,

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and Christopher doesn't because he thinks it's a little bit unruly.

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So we're gonna ask them.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we do want to say ahead for

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people who are familiar with Eric and Christopher or who

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or who aren't, their garden is decidedly ruly. It's very

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well organized. So we're gonna go totally the opposite direction

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in segment four when we have them on. But you know,

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even though I'm proud of my unruly garden, I would

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like to say that I do kind of think of

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it as a mullet garden, you know, you know, this,

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so a mullet, like the haircut. It's business in the

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front end, party in the back. So that is my

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garden because you know, I understand I have to put

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like a relatively constrained face forward. So my neighbors don't

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think I'm completely off my rocker.

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Speaker 1: I know I've got some of that too.

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Speaker 2: But then in the back, you know, all bets are off.

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I'm just saying, So that's a good way to think

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about things, too well.

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Speaker 1: They already think I'm off my rocker based on how

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I clean my car.

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Speaker 2: Regardless of that, you've made a big announcement to the neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Maintenance strips in the garden. I just want to mention

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briefly because this is seeding time for turf tall turf

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type fescues. There's so many different types. They're coarse blade,

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but to me, they are the perfect unruly type of lawn.

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It's a bunch growing grass and especially important for people

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who live in the transitions zone the mid Atlantic states

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into the plain states, where they can't really grow the

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warm season varieties, can't really grow the cool season varieties

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like we do here in Michigan. Receeders like morning glories

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or Verbina benariensis, delightfully unruly characters, and of course rows

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of Sharon. New introductions like paraplue or pillar althea are

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great options versus the conventional unruly or tending to be

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unruly rows of Sharon. So many other plants that we

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can talk about, and of course vines either nature alone

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a little bit are a little unrule and I love that.

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Let's see how Stacey ties this in and plants on trial.

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That's coming up next here on the Gardening Simplified Show.

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welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are

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talking all about unruly gardens and the joys and pitfalls

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I suppose of them. It seems the main pitfall that

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we have ascertained so far as that our neighbors think

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we're crazy for being a little bit unruly. But you

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know that's a risk that we're willing to take.

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Speaker 1: It's entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So to kick off plants on trial today, I

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wanted to share a little poem that kind of inspired

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my journey to unruly gardening. Not a poem by me,

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but by someone else. And I realized, did you have

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a limerick?

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Speaker 1: Because we didn't, Shah, I have a limerick this week.

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We'll fit it in some.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna fit it in somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm giving you a chance because we were doing like

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poetry corner.

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Speaker 1: Here your poem.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay. So it's just a short, little excerpt from

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a famous poem written very long ago in the sixteen

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hundreds by Andrew Marvel. And when I first read these

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lines years ago, I said to myself, this is how

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I want to feel when I go into the garden. Okay,

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just a couple of lines. What wondrous life is this?

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Speaker 3: I lead?

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Speaker 2: Ripe apples drop about my head. The luscious clusters of

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the vine upon my mouth do crush their wine. The

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nectarine and curious peach into my hands themselves do reach

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stumbling on melons as I pass, and snared with flowers,

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I fall on grass. Even though that's about an edible garden,

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that's kind of how I always wanted to feel. I

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just wanted to that feeling of just being like surrounded

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by this, you know, just bevy of plants all around you,

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and just that amazing feeling of being at the height

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of the season. So that's that's how I took a

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path to unruly garden, because you're not going to get

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that feeling if everything is all neat and tidy and

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in its place.

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Speaker 1: I love that. And you painted a picture with words.

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Here's this week's limerick real short. My garden rambles uncontrollably,

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truly with the aromas of earthly petuli, but I let it

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go around my chateau. I like it somewhat unruly.

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Speaker 2: Do you grow petuli? Oh okay, it just rhymed. It

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does rhyme. It's a cool it's an I mean, it's

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actually a very unsuspecting plant until you touch the foliage

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and then it smells well, exactly like petuli. So anyway,

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uh so I get it. Unreally, gardens are not for everyone,

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and I'm sure we have a lot of listeners here

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who are getting the hev GBS listening to us talk

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about a garden that is unorganized and you know, exuberant

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ruly garden, I don't think ruly is technically the opposite

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of unruly, but that even the most manicured garden can

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benefit from some moments of unruliness. I mean, you know,

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dramatic formal gardens around, like in France and in England

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and Italy and so forth, you know, they do typically

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have at least some element of wildness or nature. And

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just in the same way that unruly gardeners like us

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need some organization and structure to help that unruliness make sense,

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I would say that those organized and clean gardeners need

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some unruliness to you know, break up all of that

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you know, hard structure and everything that they're doing. And

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I feel like when I've seen really formal gardens, I

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feel like the one unruly element they tend to bring

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in climbing roses.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you do not see that.

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Speaker 2: Because roses are of course a classic a garden classic,

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and roses can be made to be very they're not, naturally,

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you know, very tidy. But of course plant breeding has

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introduced a lot of tidy ones. And if you are

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so inclined, you can really kind of train a rose

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to be very constrained and refined.

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Speaker 1: Sure, but everybody loves a ramblin rose.

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Speaker 2: Everybody does love a ramblin rose. And you know, even

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again in that most formal garden, they may take pillars

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or obelisks or pergolas or something like that and cover

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them with a structure, or of course, you know the

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famous rose covered cottage of the cottage gardening. So I

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am here in plants on trial today to make a

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case for climbing roses to be the unruly element of

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any guard. Uh, and specifically our series Rise Up, the

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Rise Up series of climbing roses. Now there are currently

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four varieties in the line. There's Rise Up Amberness, which

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is kind of a yellowy orange, really beautiful, amazing fragrance.

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There is Rise Up Ringo, which is bright yellow with

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kind of a red eye and a double flower. There

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is uh trying toys, No, I'm getting to lilac days. Yeah, yeah,

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Rise Up amber Rays, which is a bright, bright, flaming orange,

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really cool, color and then yes, Rise Up Lilac Days.

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And it was specifically Rise Up Lilac Days that inspired

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me to come up with this today because I'm thinking

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of a photo that my colleague that we took at

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my colleague's house where she planted a Rise Up Lilac

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Days on her house. And her house is very neat

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and tidy. She's a very like put together, tidy person.

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Her landscape is very tidy, but she has a Rise

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Up Lilac Days that she just lets do its thing.

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And I tell you, the difference that it makes in

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her landscape is night and day. It's so good to

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have something like this. Now we're not just talking about

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growth of these climbing roses that is unruly. They're flowering

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is unruly too, and that is a wonderful trade off

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because you have this big plant that's climbing your house

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or again climbing a pergola and obeliska trellis a fence,

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so many different places to put it. And not only

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is the rose covering that structure, but the rose itself

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is covered in flowers and Rise Up Lilac Days. It's

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the rose of the year this year. It is a

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color that is you have to see it to believe it. Now,

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there is no true like purple rose deep purple, but

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this is pretty close. It is about the color of

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lilac flowers, a beautiful pinky purple, and the fragrance on

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this plant you just have to smell to believe. So

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now in vision that you have this, you know, beautiful

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climbing rose climbing up your garage or you know another

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structure in your home and it has hundreds and hundreds

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of flowers on it and it's just giving off this

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amazing fragrance. And there's just no other way to get

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that look in your garden than to embrace kind of

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that wildness of a climbing rose, like rise up lilac.

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Speaker 1: Days wildness and yet almost thornless.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love about the plant. And like I said in

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the first segment to Stacey, it's finding beauty in the

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tension between unruly and control.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's really cool how roses again

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combine that classic look with this element of wildness. Now,

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roses are not inherently climbing, so they're not going to

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be like a whisteria that twines around. They're not going

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to be like an ivy or Boston ivy that climbs

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by rootlets. They actually just have long, flexible canes that

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sort of allow them to scramble up a structure, kind

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of using their thorns and leaning up against their neighbor

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to attain new heights. So that does mean you kind

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of have to work at it a little bit. You

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have to kind of suggest to it where you want

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it to go. But once you do that, you are

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rewarded with that just amazing column of flowers. Now rise

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up roses are hardy down to USDA Zone four, so

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that's pretty impressive. They're all on their own roots, so

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you don't have to worry about protecting the plan and

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you know, having the bottom stock come up and you know,

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all of a sudden you have a different rose, yepe.

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They're on their own roots even down to USDA Zone four,

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and Lilac Days is heat tolerant up through zone nine

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and the other ones are mostly heat tolerant through zone eight.

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But so that means Lilocdaz's has this huge range no

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matter where you are, no matter what style of garden

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you have, this is the rose to get. I tell you,

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it is truly exceptional to see and again just kind

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of provides that little twist on having something that is

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unruly but without turning your garden into complete chaos.

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Speaker 1: I've found it to be the perfect plant for a

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six foot chain link fence.

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Speaker 2: Oh perfect, Well, that's way better than a chain link fence,

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I know.

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Speaker 1: And by the time you get to August September, it's

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growing over the top of the fence, and oh, I

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just I love that plant.

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Speaker 2: Now it does not need dead heading in order to

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bloom all summer, which is great. Since it is going

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to be a big, tall plant. I would recommend and

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this is going to be one of those easier said

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than done type of things, I would recommend that you

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do prone it because if you get out the ladder

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and you cut back some of those canes to shorten them,

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what you're going to end up with is that beautiful

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look of roses from the bottom all the way to

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the top rather than just at the tips. So does

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require a little bit of work, but trust me, the

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reward is worth it. And my colleague who planted a

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rise up Lilac days on her home will certainly agree

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that it's worth whatever or she has to put into

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it because the compliments that she gets and the joy

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that she gets coming home to see it every day,

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I agree, is more than worth it. So that is

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Rise Up Lilac Days and the Rise Up series of

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climbing roses from Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs. You will

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have no trouble finding especially Lilac Days at your local

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garden center this season. So if it sounds good, please

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do check us out on YouTube if you're not here already,

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so you can see some pictures of it, or visit

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proven Winner's Color Choice dot com so you can see

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more photos of it and decide if it's going to

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earn a spot in your garden. Really or unruly.

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Speaker 1: I think it should, you know, Stacy, I think back

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to the nineteen seventies and eighties when at the garden

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center we'd have rosarians come in, and rosarians love them,

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but they had their whole list of rules, how to

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do this, how to do that? Cut back to the

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you know yeah, oh yeah yeah, and a plant like

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this just throws all that out the window. It really does,

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at least that's been my experience in my garden.

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Speaker 2: I think it does. So hopefully that gives you some

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food for thought as we struggle through the last cold

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weeks of winter here in Michigan. We're going to take

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a little break. When we come back, we are going

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to be opening for the mailbegs, so stay tuned. At

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Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome back to

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the Gardening Simplified Show, where it's our time to help

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you with your garden question, quandaries and conundrums. And I

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know they are mounting out there in the garden as

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people's start doing stuff and thinking about stuff, So please

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feel free to reach out to us at Gardeningsimplified on

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be aware, of course, that we get a lot of questions.

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We can't answer them all, but we don't want to

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leave you hanging, so it's very easy to get in

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that stuff. We really answer your gardening questions, so please

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do take advantage of that if you are stuck, because

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we only have time to get to a few questions

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every week unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: And Stacey, thank you to the people who send fudge.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, of course and all the other nice things.

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If people have said it's really lovely. So what a

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we got in the mailbag today?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Leslie writes to us, I have a twenty

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year old climbing hydranger that blooms beautifully every year but

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develops an unsightly brown, spotted, scorched look on the east

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facing side in midsummer. I've included pictures. This affliction has

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gotten work over the last few years, and it's been

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suggested that perhaps it is sun scorch caused from water droplets,

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but I'm not entirely convinced this scorching has only been

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occurring in the last four or five years. I've been

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aggressively pruning it for the past three years. It's growing

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a bit out of control, unruly, unruly, thank you. The

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vine is in shade from two PM on after getting

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bright sun all morning. The opposite side is completely shaded

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and looks good except for the occasional leaf that looks

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like the plant may need iron.

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Speaker 2: Yes, really, so it's an interesting question. And I'm sure

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if you want to see the pictures that Leslie sent,

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they're going to be on our YouTube version if you're

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not already watching there. And this is the kind of

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damage on plants that people go, whoa, this is really weird,

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like is this a disease? Like what's going on here?

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And the fact is Leslie actually kind of answered the

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question right there in her question when she said except

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for the occasional leaf that looks like the plant may

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need iron. So iron deficiency is known from a botanical

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standpoint as chlorosis, and basically what it means is that

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the foliage is kind of yellow instead of green, and

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there can be depending on the iron deficiency and the

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plant in any other nutrient efficiencies that might be happening.

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It can be intervenal chlorosis where it's in between the veins.

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It can cause the whole plant to look kind of

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yellowish and washed out. But here's the thing that I

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think is happening to Leslie's plant. When you have iron chlorosis,

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that lack of iron severely diminishes the plant's ability to

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create chlorophyll, and it causes problems for the generation of chlorophyll.

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It causes the chlorophyll that is created to degrade very quickly.

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And chlorophyll, as you've heard a say on the show before,

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is essentially a plant's sunscreen. Yes, chlorophyll is also what

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photosynthesizes and makes energy for the plant, but it also

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kind of functions as a sunscreen to keep plants from

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getting burned. So if you have iron chlorosis and your

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plant does not have as much chlorophyll as it ought to,

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that is going to make that foliage far more susceptible

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to sunburn. And so that's what you have going on now,

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caused by the water. It's really caused by that iron deficiency.

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So I don't know if you have been fertilizing it.

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just look at those three numbers. You're going to want

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something that has additional nutrients. You can also find, of course,

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iron supplements that you can add, not the ones that

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you buy in the drug store, but iron supplements for

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plants that the drugstore ones are not probably going to

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work very well. And the cool thing about putting iron

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on a chlorotic plant is it greens up almost immediately. Yeah, right,

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is indeed what the issue is. So read your fertilizer label,

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make sure if you are fertilizing it, the fertilizer you

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put has iron. Iron chlorosis can also be caused by

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a pH issue, which if your pH changes, it can

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tie up the iron in the soil so that it's

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not available for the plant to take up. So you

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might also just want to get a soil test to

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find out what's really going on. But I think if

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you apply an iron supplement from your local garden center

471
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according to packaged directions this year, I'm that problem is

472
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going to go right away.

473
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Speaker 1: Stacey, I had chlorurosis on my climbing hydrangea and I

474
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used Aspoma hollytne it did work for Oh good, okay, Jenna, Right,

475
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I have a question about my suburban front yard and

476
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zone six pe. We have a tree in the center

477
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of the yard that's been declining since we bought the

478
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house eight years ago. It's finally at the end of

479
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its life. I would love to replace it with something

480
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:45,720
that is either larger will grow quickly so we don't

481
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have to wait years and years before getting the benefit

482
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of the shade. I've thought about putting in a statement

483
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,480
flowering tree, like maybe a magnolia or crape myrtle. We

484
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:57,839
don't mind spending a little bit more money to get

485
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something more mature if it will really meet our needs.

486
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What would you recommend?

487
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:04,759
Speaker 3: Right?

488
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Speaker 2: So I should have mentioned here Jenna is in southern

489
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Ohio Cincinnati area. So I want to just take out

490
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:13,559
crepe myrtle out of the equation first thing.

491
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Speaker 1: I would agree, just.

492
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Speaker 2: Because if you yeah, probably you can do great with

493
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a crape myrtle for possibly forever. But you do have

494
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to know that, you know, one bad, bad winter could

495
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,039
easily take out a crape myrtle tree in your area,

496
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So I would not risk investing that time and money

497
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into a crepe myrtle. I think magnolia is a great choice.

498
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,440
They are pretty fast growing if their needs are met,

499
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,279
and of course there's lots of great choices, but I

500
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thought that this would be a good opportunity to kind

501
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,119
of talk about some of our guidelines for choosing a

502
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,480
specimen tree. Now, again, I think Magnolia's are great, but

503
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,839
they are, you know, especially the non evergreen type, which

504
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,440
are the hardier ones, kind of a one hit wonder,

505
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,359
and that one hit is worth it, don't get me wrong,

506
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,200
but you know, so I think when you're choosing a

507
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,200
specimen tree, you should have a little bit more thought

508
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:09,000
process on what else it can do. You know, crab

509
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,559
apples are beautiful, right, They're so fabulous, they're just amazing

510
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:12,960
in spring, But then you also get the fruit, and

511
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,599
the freuod attracts birds, and so you're getting a little

512
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,880
bit more there. So I think you should consider color.

513
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:22,599
Is there a color to the foliage and or to

514
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,480
the flowers that kind of compliments something with your house?

515
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:28,559
You know, people who paint their front door are really

516
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:31,079
bright or fun color. Is there a way that you

517
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,279
can plant something that kind of plays off of that

518
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,519
because you have a fun front door color, not any

519
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:40,119
not anywhere, Okay, no, gotta be really didn't want to

520
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:40,960
be that unruly.

521
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,319
Speaker 1: I'm letting the plants be unrually. But no, you are

522
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,440
right about that, Stacey. And you know, I would say,

523
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:50,680
right off the bat, in my opinion, to fit some

524
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:55,119
of that criteria, a june berry clump, right plant you know,

525
00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,640
spring flowers, june fruit and fall color that is it'll

526
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,039
knock your socks off.

527
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: And and great bark and yeah, the clumps, so you

528
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,279
have the multiple that is a beautiful choice. You might

529
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:10,079
have to work a little bit harder to find a

530
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,519
multi stemmed service berry or shadblow or amlankire, but that

531
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,880
is definitely one of the best kind of all purpose

532
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:20,839
no brain or plants. And actually it's not even that

533
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,839
overused yet, which for being such a great, you know,

534
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,519
four season plant. I also think something like, you know,

535
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:31,680
of course, temple of blue hepticodium, another great four season plant,

536
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:35,759
piper bark maple. I know you've got one of those

537
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:41,640
fabulous bark, just a beautiful, beautiful, handsome tree with excellent

538
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440
fall color. That's one of those plants that people are

539
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,440
gonna walk by and go, what is that? So you know,

540
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,400
I think it's important to think about, you know, multiple

541
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,759
seasons of interest. Is there a color of the flowers

542
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,880
or the foliage that's really going to cause a moment,

543
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,559
like a traffic stopping moment? You know outside your house?

544
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:02,839
Is is there a special birthday or something like that

545
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:04,880
that you want the plant to be at its best

546
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,839
at so you can take a picture in front of

547
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,839
it every single year.

548
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Speaker 1: Well, talking about unruly, here's something to add to your

549
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,839
list of criteria. Ask the neighbors what they think, and

550
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:20,519
ask a spouse for their opinion. Also, because at one

551
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,960
of my homes, I planted a weeping beach. I love

552
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:29,119
weeping beach, but it's kind of unruly. Everybody hated it.

553
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,200
I was the only one who loved that tree, and

554
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,079
to this day I love that tree. Well, good for you, Yeah,

555
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,680
still there and growing. Yeah, I took a stand.

556
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: You know, did you let them come up under the

557
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,119
branches and see how fabulous it is under the branches?

558
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,279
Speaker 1: I tried every sea side.

559
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:46,119
Speaker 2: You can't play in my playhouse. You've insulted my.

560
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:47,839
Speaker 1: Play I've tried everything.

561
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: All right, what else we got in the mail bag?

562
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,079
I think we have time for one more.

563
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Speaker 1: Let's see Julie. Interesting question. This winter, I had an

564
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,799
unbelievable amount of mouse damage I've never experienced in my

565
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,200
sixty five years. Oceania County and West Michigan much harder

566
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,519
winter this year than other years. My husband also put

567
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:10,599
out bait stations, mouse bait stations in an effort to

568
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,359
get the mice before they came in. Is it possible

569
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,319
the bait stations caused them to come in? I'm afraid

570
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,599
I lost several plants due to mouse damage. So we've

571
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,160
got a couple different things going on out there. Number

572
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,400
one the plant damage, and number two, it sounds like

573
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some of them are getting inside the house.

574
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Speaker 2: That's not good.

575
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: That's what it sounds like. Maybe I'm wrong.

576
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think that it is possible that the bait

577
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,720
stations do attract them. I mean, they're intended to write.

578
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,799
If there isn't something that smells good or tastes good

579
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,839
in there to the mice, they're not going to go

580
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,920
into the scary bait station. But I will also say

581
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I have seen multiple times here at the nursery in

582
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:55,000
years where we've had extremely heavy snowcover for a longer period,

583
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,240
we see far more mouse and vole as you pointed

584
00:31:58,279 --> 00:31:59,559
out before the show.

585
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:02,519
Speaker 1: Damage operating under the cover of all that snow.

586
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: Yep, that gives them a great cover. And so they're

587
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,200
down there snug is a bug in a rug. The

588
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:11,039
hawks can't see them exact and they're just showing down

589
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:14,599
on that nice juicy canebium layer under the bark. So

590
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:17,880
I think it's a combination of the two. Obviously, there's

591
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:23,200
not much you can do about the snow to deter them,

592
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:26,039
but definitely, if you're gonna do bait stations, I would

593
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say maybe take them out by winter so they're not,

594
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you know, seeking food when food is otherwise scarce.

595
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Speaker 1: And if the problem is voules, my recommendation don't use

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00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:40,160
bait stations, use mouse traps. Bait the mouse traps. Use

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00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:42,400
mouse traps, and that's going to give you a good

598
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,400
barometer two on what's going on on.

599
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:46,079
Speaker 2: That's true, you do kind of need to see so

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you know how to treat it effectively. So thank you

601
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all so much for your questions. We're going to take

602
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a little break and when we come back we are

603
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talking to Eric and Christopher fro Grow for me gardening.

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You are not going to want to miss that, so

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified show Boy, do we

611
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:26,160
have a treat for you today? We're going to talk

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00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,880
to Eric and Christopher with Grow for Me Gardening and

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00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,920
their beautiful garden in Zone six A and Upstate New York.

614
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,319
At Grow for Me Gardening. They believe that creating beautiful

615
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:47,079
outdoor spaces shouldn't be complicated or intimidating and stacy. That's

616
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what we're all about on the Gardening Simplified jo.

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Speaker 2: Right, and so when we say Grow for Me Gardening,

618
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you can find pictures of Eric and Christopher. You can

619
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,160
follow them on YouTube, on Instagram, and on their website

620
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,599
Grow for Me Garden. So if you are not already

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00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:06,160
familiar with their amazing work and their beautiful garden, well

622
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,119
you'll see some of it on YouTube if you're joining

623
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,400
us over there. But while you are on YouTube, you

624
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,519
should definitely follow them as well.

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Speaker 1: So Eric and Christopher, Welcome to the show. And I

626
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,440
guess right off the bat, we're going to ask you

627
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,320
whether or not winter has ended yet. They're in upstate

628
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:22,840
New York.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for having us. Technically winter

630
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,119
has ended, but when we look out the window, it

631
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,199
has not really ended. We have snow on the ground

632
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,400
this morning. Yeah, it's a it's been a doozy this winter,

633
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,280
a little bit colder, a little windier, and snowier than

634
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,159
the last couple of years combined.

635
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: But do you have at least have like daffodils or

636
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,440
something poking something up above the ground.

637
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,639
Speaker 3: We have nothing. Normally we have focused by this time,

638
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,800
and I think we have like maybe one bud. Yeah

639
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:56,880
we have, we have one inch dacidyl foliage popping up.

640
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But that's it.

641
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Speaker 2: It's a start.

642
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Speaker 3: It's a start. We'll take it in the right direction.

643
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: I encourage our listeners and our viewers to go to

644
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:11,400
YouTube and grow for me gardening and see the beautiful

645
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,639
garden that Eric and Christopher have in Upstate New York.

646
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,800
And Eric and Christopher, I think the thing that really

647
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,239
impresses me is when I go to your website and

648
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,239
I look at pictures, I see that way back in

649
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,239
twenty eighteen, you started from scratch.

650
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: We did. We built our first home together and we

651
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,039
had a sandy backfill lot. The soil, you know, I

652
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,480
don't even think you could call it soil. I think

653
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:42,159
when they built our neighborhood used to be a farm.

654
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,920
So we picked up chunks of concrete and old bricks

655
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,679
and it wasn't great, to say the least. And when

656
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,760
they gave us a landscape package, which we always describe

657
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,920
in quote because it was it was pretty rough, Eric

658
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,960
took a picture of it and he went to the

659
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,280
garden center. We were incredibly inexperienced gardeners. We were really

660
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,440
new to us. So we went to the garden center

661
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,559
with this photo and the first thing they said was

662
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,559
get that white spruce away from the corner of your house.

663
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And that was the first big project we did, was

664
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:19,320
lift this ball and burlap white spruce out of the

665
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,480
ground and put it in the backyard. Yeah, that's when

666
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:22,840
we learned how heavy those were.

667
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

668
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it started. And it certainly snowballs. Keep

669
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,119
in mind, twenty eighteen meant two years into our journey,

670
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:36,840
we all suddenly had some time off from work where

671
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,039
I think it solidified our love of gardening because we

672
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:42,719
spent a long time in that garden every day.

673
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 2: And so once you have a blank slate like that,

674
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,199
you know, what's your inspiration? Kind of how did you

675
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,440
get started attacking such a project with so many options?

676
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: That's really important question that we asked ourselves. And the

677
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,440
first thing we thought are missed neighborhood was we need

678
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,519
to start thinking about privacy and kind of delineating our

679
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:10,599
property from our neighbors, because nobody had any senses at

680
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:12,840
that point in time. So one of the first things

681
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,280
we did was we installed a hedge of limelight hydranges.

682
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,360
We went from garden center to garden center collecting one

683
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,239
gallon two gallon limelight hydranges to plant on the west

684
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,880
side of our back property because we knew that those

685
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,679
limelight hydranges could handle full sun and eventually they would

686
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,000
get pretty large and be able to create a little

687
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,480
bit of privacy on that side. And then we went

688
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,400
inside our house and we started looking out our windows

689
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,559
and thinking what kind of view do we want to

690
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:47,159
have out of our windows, And we started with big

691
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:54,280
structural things like birch trees or slender evergreens, and approached

692
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,599
the garden from actually indoors, and then we went outside

693
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,719
and we have a very square, contemporary home and started

694
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,760
softening the harsh straight lines with some curved borders. And

695
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,239
during all this time we were learning on social media.

696
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We were learning by watching Gardener's World, We were learning

697
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:17,679
by subscribing and getting our hands on any imagazine needs

698
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,199
to get it on, following people on Instagram, really just

699
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,440
absorbing all the information we could, going to the local

700
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garden center, talking to the employees, going to the garden shows,

701
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,199
taking the local classes as much as we could, and

702
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,159
really fell in love with it and jumped in headfirst.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is just so inspiring, because I think

704
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,920
so many people feel really reluctant to go into gardening

705
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,719
because they're just like, how am I going to learn

706
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,400
it all? And you know, for the for you to

707
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,440
have gone from you know, virtually nothing in twenty eighteen

708
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:54,199
to you know, now eight years later, having this absolutely

709
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,119
stunning garden and just you know, doing it, not feeling

710
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,920
like there was some magical moment where you guys would

711
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,679
actually have enough gardening knowledge that you could you know,

712
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,320
be quote unquote licensed to do this. You just you

713
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,639
know dove in and learned as you went, and that's

714
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:11,800
that's so important to not just like wait forever.

715
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: That's probably one of the biggest gardening lessons we have

716
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:20,599
learned since we started, is you really have to be

717
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,920
a little fearless because plants are going to die, and

718
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,440
sometimes it's you. Well most of the time it's you,

719
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:30,800
but sometimes it's not you. And I feel like, you know,

720
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,280
fearless pruning is something we were recently talking about in

721
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,320
a video, especially on a young plant, so that you

722
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,639
can shape it for the future. It might seem scary now,

723
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,239
but it's going to be so much better later if

724
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,159
you are fearless. And that's I guess what we were

725
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:49,880
doing all along. We just didn't realize it. Yeah, And

726
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,920
I mean there's a lot of science involved in gardening,

727
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,199
but I think we kind of approach it like it's

728
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:59,679
an art and that there's guidelines and parameters and as

729
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,400
long as do play within them, you're you know, you're

730
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,280
gonna have some mistakes, like you would in anything. We're

731
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,440
gonna you know, we've killed tongues of plants over the years.

732
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,480
We've had a ton of failures as many successes, but

733
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:20,280
really having fun with it understanding that there's gonna be

734
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,159
infestations of insects, there's going to be disease, there's going

735
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:26,239
to be things that don't make it and you have

736
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,000
no idea why, and then taking those things and learning

737
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,760
from them and over the years, you know, we were

738
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,599
just talking about this in one of our YouTube videos

739
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:38,880
the other day. Our garden looks terrible this spring. We've

740
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,559
had a brutal winter with extremely harsh winter winds. And

741
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,559
I think six years ago I would have gone out

742
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:48,199
in March, and I think we would have been extremely

743
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,039
stressed out about the state of the garden. Right now, now,

744
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,159
with our experience, we go out and we're like, Okay,

745
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,039
this is going to work, this is going to be fine.

746
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:57,840
Things go to make it. We have opportunities to add

747
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,679
new things, you know, and over the years you really

748
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,639
learn how resilient gardens are.

749
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: Oh, that's really well said. I've always said, if you

750
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,400
haven't killed any plants, you're not trying hard enough. And

751
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,000
that's a great, great way of approaching it. We're talking

752
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,800
to Eric and Christopher Grow for Me Gardening, and you're

753
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,519
talking about fearless gardening coming from the garden center industry.

754
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:27,800
Myself Eric and Christopher, I would say that there are

755
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:34,239
a lot of people who fear trying hydranges. And I

756
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,599
was watching one of your videos and you guys were

757
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:41,320
doing account how many different hydranges do you have in

758
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,880
your landscape?

759
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: We have over two hundred in our half acre a

760
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,360
lot right now. Oh wow, only time we don't grow

761
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,639
are climbing hydranges.

762
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

763
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: None of our trees are large enough yet. OK.

764
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 2: Something looks how are we to for the future?

765
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: When they I love you know, I'm watching one of

766
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,760
the videos and Eric, I love the fact that you

767
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,719
gave tough Stuff top fun a ten out of ten

768
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,519
because that is one of my favorite plants in the landscape.

769
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:19,599
But it's yeah, I guess it's not the neatest plant

770
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,039
in the landscape, but boy, I love Mountain seratotype hydranges

771
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,719
and even the tough stuff. When that first came when

772
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,400
did that come out? Stay stuff to.

773
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: Fun came out like just two or three years ago.

774
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,639
It's still pretty recent. But the other part of this

775
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,119
I hear I didn't see this video, but I hear

776
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:39,760
the Christopher disagrees.

777
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,039
Speaker 3: Well, you know, stuff, we had a lot of fun

778
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,400
last season. Just we did a series we did rating perennials,

779
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:54,480
rating hydrangeas, and during this hydrange video we have some

780
00:42:54,639 --> 00:43:00,159
controversial tape. I think, you know I do. I I

781
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:04,480
absolutely love and appreciate the Tough Stuff series hydrange is.

782
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,000
I think my patience with that hydrangea, you know, because

783
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,039
it takes a couple of seasons to really come into

784
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,440
its own, So I think I was having a bit

785
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,880
of an impatient moment with that.

786
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,639
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we could actually have you guys back

787
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,039
on future show to talk about gardening with your spouse,

788
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:25,679
because it's certainly it's certainly something that I experienced to

789
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,039
and it's always fun to see how one person, you know,

790
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,760
embraces something so fully in the other is like, I

791
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,880
do not understand what you see in that.

792
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: We're potentially adding in another water feature in the garden,

793
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,119
and as we were looking at different spaces where it

794
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:44,960
could go. I tend to be the person that says,

795
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,559
I'll just rip out those plants and move things. And

796
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,679
Eric likes to let things live in their their nice home.

797
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,239
Well I have a vision, right, It's so much fun.

798
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,559
But yeah, I mean hydrangeas. Actually we fell into hydrangs,

799
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,719
I would say, because Eric was the hydranger guy, and

800
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,360
I love roses, so it was a little hydrangea versus

801
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,960
rose and the roses are touching up. But we are

802
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,039
a hydrange garden.

803
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

804
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:15,079
Speaker 1: I'd love the fact that you guys are out there

805
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:18,960
giving great information because you know, you talk about the

806
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,679
most important step is knowing what type of hydrangea you have,

807
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,679
and many people struggle with that. And then we reach

808
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,639
the point of spring after a brutal winter and everybody

809
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:36,800
wants to get out the pruning shoes. Getting that information

810
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,119
out there and that experience you guys have had is

811
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:41,039
so valuable.

812
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: Thank you. One of the things we try to focus

813
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,880
on at Grow for Me Gardening is really creating the

814
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,519
content and creating the resources that we were looking for

815
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:54,320
when we were starting to garden. So we really try

816
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,039
to approach our videos and our resources on our website

817
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,079
from that perspective of what we really wish we had

818
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:06,000
access to when we were new gardeners. That's something that

819
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,000
we really do focus on, not only by giving clear

820
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:12,880
information so you know, this is a panicle hydrangea, let's

821
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,079
help you identify it. But then because we're fans of

822
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,840
your show, we're always going to throw in Hydrangea paniculata.

823
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,599
So we you know, we want the good information, but

824
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:24,400
we want to make sure we get to that extra

825
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,480
little bit of the Latin the science in there too.

826
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: Well, you know it is an important part in that way,

827
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,159
no matter what you know, no matter where you are

828
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,280
and what you call the plant, you can look up

829
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,280
hydrangea piniculator and confirm you know it's it's the same

830
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,800
thing and find out what you need to find out.

831
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,719
So one of the reasons that I thought it would

832
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,360
be the perfect time to have you guys on the

833
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,280
show this particular week is because Grow from Me Gardening

834
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,519
has just come out with an incredible guide to hydrangeas,

835
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,760
and I got a sneak peak in it because you

836
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,000
asked us to weigh in on some of the information,

837
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,639
which we were happy to do here at per Womner's

838
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:03,079
color Choice. And what really I thought set this apart

839
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,440
from so much of the other hydrange of information that

840
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,760
I have seen over the years, is that your own

841
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,679
perspective that you brought to it about not just the

842
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,920
pruning and identifying and all of that stuff, but about

843
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,760
actually designing and using hydranges in your landscape. So was

844
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,239
it difficult to kind of put that into words. Was

845
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,239
that a belief that you guys went into planting with

846
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,360
or is it something that you kind of enacted naturally

847
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:33,320
and then were able to talk about once you realized

848
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:33,920
you had done it.

849
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. We're very proud of this guide,

850
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,440
and I have to say, when it comes to the

851
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:45,280
design aspect, this is something Eric articulates incredibly well. There

852
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,679
are times where I would say, you know, I love

853
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,360
the way that we're using the panicles as a structural piece.

854
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:53,800
But I didn't say as a structural piece. I would

855
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,800
say lots of words, and Eric would just make it

856
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,039
really concise and say, no, that's and that's all. A

857
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,360
really good tip for partners that garden is you really

858
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,920
have to give them their flowers sometimes. But yes, Eric

859
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:11,000
has a really great way of narrowing down this is

860
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,039
how we're designing with hydranges. Even if I'm not exactly

861
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,519
sure how, I just know that we did it. Yeah.

862
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,960
I tend to think of the garden in vignettes, our

863
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,960
little vision capsules as we walk around, and I think

864
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,280
that helps us not be so overwhelmed by the concept

865
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,880
of designing the garden. Is if we have our own

866
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,599
little rules that we stay within within each vignette. It

867
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,480
helps us to have cohesion throughout the garden. So one

868
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:43,320
of those rules is to have structure in each vignette.

869
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,039
And when I think about hydranges, I think about, well,

870
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:48,960
of the hydrange varieties we have, the panicle hydrange have

871
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,960
the most structure, the most upright, the biggest, boldest flowers,

872
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,960
and if they get the largest size of the different varieties.

873
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,360
And then when you look at these smooth yes, they're softer,

874
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:04,880
they're more billowing, they're that nice mid height and they

875
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,760
can be that softer mid layer in the border. And

876
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,960
then a little bit further down with more texture is

877
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,639
the mountain Hydrangea, the serrata, and you know big leaf

878
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,039
hydrangeas want you want to be up close and study

879
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:21,760
those gorgeous flowers on them. And the colors can be

880
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,440
used to tie into different perennials or annuals throughout the garden.

881
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,360
So there's really a space for every type of dranger

882
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:30,800
when you're designing a garden.

883
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,159
Speaker 1: I love that. Now, great question Stacy, and answer Eric

884
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,320
and Christopher, because I really believe this is something that

885
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,440
people struggle with and giving them advice to approach it.

886
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:49,000
In bite sized pieces. Because when I watch your videos

887
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:54,199
on YouTube, you guys have a real feel for design

888
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:58,199
in your landscape. You can see that it comes just

889
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:01,719
naturally to you do do a great job. But being

890
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,920
able to articulate that to someone else, that's the tough part.

891
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. The uh, you know, the style

892
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,159
of gardening that we've kind of developed over time because

893
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:17,159
we have this pretty much square vinyl sighting house in

894
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,840
the suburbs, we wrapped it around with all these curved

895
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,239
kind of cottagy English style gardens. So we call it

896
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,719
our contemporary cottage, our fun little word for it. But

897
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,280
it is a lot of fun to be able to

898
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,880
share our method because we've been able to break it

899
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,679
down over time and explain it a little clearer. So

900
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,079
it's not just well, if you put this one next

901
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,440
to that one, they always work, because that's not always

902
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:41,920
the case.

903
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: So I want to ask a question because this will

904
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,320
help me out, and that is if both of you

905
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,159
could just take a moment and define for me what

906
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:58,239
do you believe is a contemporary cottage garden. What makes

907
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,519
a contemporary cottage different from let's say, the standard type

908
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:06,119
of cottage garden that we've always looked at in better

909
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:09,039
homes and gardens. Let's say, do you have a thought

910
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:09,239
on that.

911
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 3: I think our contemporary cottage garden has of course the

912
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:23,360
gorgeous repetitive fluefy blooms throughout, but there's definitely some harder landscaping,

913
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:27,400
hard escape involved in it. There's black metal accents throughout

914
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,280
the garden. We use a lot of stone and concrete

915
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,599
in the garden. More shrugs. I would say, yeah, I agree,

916
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:40,559
we do. We don't. I would say a traditional cottage

917
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,679
garden I think of more the perennial slash self feed

918
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,280
kind of, and we have the perennials and lots of

919
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,840
self feeders, but we really do anchor it with more

920
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,360
of the shrubs, the roses, and a lot of evergreens too.

921
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:56,119
That's a big part of our design process is always

922
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:59,159
making sure that we have evergreens in those vignya, not

923
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,880
just for winter interest, but really like that rest for

924
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,039
the eye that you know, anchor points, you know. And

925
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,280
so then when you have your large structure panical hydranger,

926
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,079
you have that explosion of color, but you still have

927
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:17,159
that Solara Cyprus or we I'm in love with Anna's

928
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:19,440
magic ball in front of one of our other little

929
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:22,119
vignettes too, you know that nice you know shar trusy

930
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:25,239
color that's more constant, So that that's kind of where

931
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,239
the contemporary part comes in. Maybe it's worth more in

932
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,480
control of our cottage. Yeah, I mean using all the

933
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,159
traditional plants, but you know, proofing them differently.

934
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you.

935
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: Know you don't have like a fetched roof and stucco walls.

936
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:40,079
Speaker 3: And.

937
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know what's comment that's true. Now we've

938
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,119
talked a bit about your guide hydranges, and we'll give

939
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:49,800
the link again at the end of the show. What

940
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,519
I want to make sure if anybody's sitting there going well,

941
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:53,599
you've told me all about this great guide to hygd ranges,

942
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:56,800
can I please read it? Where can people find it?

943
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 3: They can find it on growth gardening dot com. They

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can also check out our instagram which is Growth for

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Me Gardening. There's a link in the bio and in

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the story of highlights, and if they check out our

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YouTube at Grow from the Gardening is also there. So

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there's nice three excellent sources for the hydrangea Handbook.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of the handbook, I remember you guys also

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made some worksheets to accompany this, so people can kind

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of apply the ideas to their own yard.

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Speaker 3: We thought that'd be a fun thing for people to

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have access to worksheets. I think people like something tangible.

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They can write down, draw things out, you know, keep

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track of ideas, pruning, you know, using the handbook, you

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can discover which type of y dranger you have, and

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you can take notes and keep track of all the

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things you're learning as you go through the handbook.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, that sounds like the perfect way to

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spend these last cold days that are hanging on seemingly

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forever for us in the Midwest and the Northeast, even though,

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of course our friends in the warm climates are basking

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in basking or sweating one or one or the other.

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So I would highly encourage our listeners to definitely check

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those out. If this sounds like it's interesting. Again, I

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was just so impressed by the guide and you know,

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again the information you can find in lots of places,

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but not only did you distill that in a really

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digestible and interesting way, but you know, design advice is

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hard to come by from that, you know, really personal perspective. Yeah,

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you know, you get a lot of landscape design teachers saying, oh,

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you must do this and you must do that, and

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these are the principles of design, where you know, yours

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is really just a hey. You know if you look

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at our videos and you say, I wonder how they

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did that, I could never do that. Actually surprised. You

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can do that and here's the way to do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. We're really excited to share it

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with everybody.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic, fantastic. We're talking to Eric and Christopher grow

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for Me Gardening, so make sure to look for them

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on you YouTube, and can you share the website again

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for our listeners and viewers.

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Speaker 3: The website is grow Formegardening dot com. But before we're finished, Rick,

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we do have a little surprise for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh all right.

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Speaker 3: We're not trying to not trying to steal anybody thunder,

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but we do have a little limb. Eric and Christopher

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if you wouldn't mind us sharing, I love it. I

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love it all right, let's dive in. Okay, ready for this?

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Are you sitting down?

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Speaker 2: We are sitting down.

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Speaker 3: Okay. If your shrub is a leaky green dug with

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Nara Bloom Norah bud, don't weep in the dirt or

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feel deeply hurt while dragging your name through the mud.

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To keep from becoming hysteric. Consults with Christopher and Eric.

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Their handbooks are fined for your peace of mind and

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a garden that's quite atmospheric. Identify, prune and design to

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make every high ranger shine, turn the pink ones to

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blue with a guy that is true and those empty

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sticks far behind.

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Speaker 2: That was our first ever guest lim Eric or limb

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Eric and Christopher. Yeah, yeah, I mean the bar is

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so high now. I just so.

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Speaker 1: You guys are we love it? Thank you so much,

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Thank you, that's so kind of Thank you so much,

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Eric and Christopher grow for me. Gardening guys. Let's stay

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in touch and thank you very much for your time

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here on the Gardening Simplified Show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you well. I knew that talking with Eric and

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Christopher on the show today was going to be amazing,

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but that again raised the bar far beyond my expectations.

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So I truly hope that you our listeners take a

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moment to check out their guide to high Ranges and

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you know, again, just think about what their method and

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their approach to gardening means for you and how you

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can incorporate their ideas and principles into your own garden.

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So on that note, thanks so much to Eric and Christopher,

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thank you Rich, thank you Adriana, and thanks so much

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to all of you for listening. We truly appreciate it

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and hope you have a wonderful week ahead.