Speaker 1: It's a nice side.
Speaker 2: We've done Ray undelling you Mazy Boston's News Radio. Thanks
Speaker 2: very much, Madison. We are ready for a very busy
Speaker 2: Tuesday night here on Nightside. We have so much to cover.
Speaker 2: I don't know how we're gonna get it all in,
Speaker 2: but we will try. We will try. We have four
Speaker 2: very interesting guests coming up during the first hour. No
Speaker 2: phone calls, as I'm sure all I have you know
Speaker 2: by now. During the first hour at nine o'clock tonight,
Speaker 2: we will talk with a Boston Globe correspondent who is
Speaker 2: also a junior at Harvard College, Harvard University, Harvard Well
Speaker 2: Harvard College, the undergraduate, and she is going to talk
Speaker 2: with us about the return of college Republicans on that
Speaker 2: embattled campus right now. We'll also at some point tonight
Speaker 2: talk about President Trump's first one hundred days. Give you
Speaker 2: an opportunity to give him a grade, and some of
Speaker 2: the efforts that he's been engaged in, some successful, others
Speaker 2: perhaps not so successful. And we hope to get to
Speaker 2: the question of the arrest of a couple of judges,
Speaker 2: one in Wisconsin and one forman judge in New Mexico
Speaker 2: by federal authority. So we have lots to cover tonight,
Speaker 2: and we will start off with some information that hopefully
Speaker 2: all of you will listen to very carefully, because this
Speaker 2: is a Survive Stroke Week and we hope to educate
Speaker 2: Americans about the symptoms of stroke. By the way, I
Speaker 2: will remind you that Rob Brooks is back in the
Speaker 2: control room. Almost forgot about you, Rob, You're the most
Speaker 2: valuable player in the program, so thanks very much for
Speaker 2: being back there. As a matter of fact, Rob just
Speaker 2: told me a moment ago that we have our first guest,
Speaker 2: doctor vill Lisa. I knowah, doctor, I knowah. Welcome to NIGHT'SID.
Speaker 3: How are you good? How are you? Thank you for
Speaker 3: having me?
Speaker 2: You're right welcome. Stroke is something that is important. It's
Speaker 2: particularly important, I guess this year a Survived Stroke Week
Speaker 2: is focusing on the Hispanic community here in the US,
Speaker 2: where stroke ranks as the fourth leading cause for death
Speaker 2: for Hispanic men and the third leading cause for Hispanic women. Clearly,
Speaker 2: strokes can hit any one of us. Why is it
Speaker 2: that within the Hispanic community stroke seems to be especially dangerous?
Speaker 2: Not I mean cancer's dangerous heart attacks. We're all all
Speaker 2: of this is things that we're all concerned about. But
Speaker 2: this is one that there's a focus this uh this
Speaker 2: week on getting the world out to the Hispanic community.
Speaker 2: What what's going on?
Speaker 3: That's a very very good question. I first of all,
Speaker 3: I really want to say thank you for having me
Speaker 3: this evening. I am Dominigan, so I am Hispanic, and
Speaker 3: I can I can speak from heart. I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: there are a lot of respactors that will be more
Speaker 3: prevalent in the Hispanic population. And we're talking about high
Speaker 3: blood pressure and diabetes, obesity on healthy lifestyle, so that
Speaker 3: would be one factor. But I think there's something very
Speaker 3: important to understand, which is that the knowledge about stroke
Speaker 3: symptoms actually is going to be less When we interview
Speaker 3: Hispanic patients, they do not know how stroke would present,
Speaker 3: and also they do not know that stroke is a
Speaker 3: treatable condition, so they will not call nine one one.
Speaker 3: Hence they won't get to the hospitals where they're going
Speaker 3: to be able to get the right treatment for this condition.
Speaker 2: Now, look within every community, obviously there are people who
Speaker 2: allow their health is not their top priority. What can
Speaker 2: be done to make sure that the Hispanic community, not
Speaker 2: only here in Boston, but anywhere within the sound of
Speaker 2: our voice, were heard on over the air terrestrial radio
Speaker 2: in half of the United States. What do individuals need
Speaker 2: to do? Are the websites they can go to? Obviously
Speaker 2: they need to talk with their doctors about this as well.
Speaker 2: What can we do to bring this to everyone's attention
Speaker 2: everyone who's listening tonight, but the Hispanic or not, but
Speaker 2: everyone possibly? What needs to be done?
Speaker 3: I think what you are doing right now is absolutely important.
Speaker 3: Right so making sure that the message gets to keep
Speaker 3: all people in the community and that we create stroke
Speaker 3: awareness campaigns. There are multiple websites we are working with
Speaker 3: the get Ahead of Stroke dot org website, which has
Speaker 3: a lot of information not only for the English speaking community,
Speaker 3: but also data that has been translated into Spanish and
Speaker 3: creating mnemonics that are not only understood by the English
Speaker 3: population but also by the Hispanic population, like rapid though,
Speaker 3: and we can go over the mneumonic in a minute
Speaker 3: if you would like me too, and I can explain.
Speaker 2: It in Spanish. Go right ahead on all ears.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 3: So Rappio stands for our rosto last persona. No can
Speaker 3: I speak? Can I speak Spanish? Can I explain in Spanish?
Speaker 2: Sure? That's that's the audience that we need to reach.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, go right ahead, perfect, perfect rostro candola cara is
Speaker 4: the devil Alo la jent no pether comin bieng perlasa
Speaker 4: peo pierna.
Speaker 3: The impedimental, isel bosa the difficult that para avla la
Speaker 3: hin avl biengtro poso oh tenga I do the rap.
Speaker 3: So that's in summary in Spanish, and thank you for
Speaker 3: the opportunity.
Speaker 2: Sure. There's also a website called Let's Talk about Hispanic
Speaker 2: and Latino Americans and Stroke that is provided by the
Speaker 2: American Heart Association. People should realize that things like high
Speaker 2: blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, high cholesterol, smoking, stress, social determinants
Speaker 2: of health. All of these factors can increase the likelihood
Speaker 2: and increase your fist. If you want to reduce the
Speaker 2: likelihood of stroke or whatever your background is, you want
Speaker 2: to eat more fruits and vegetables, reduce salt in your diet,
Speaker 2: increase physical activity, quit smoking, or never start. The smallest thing.
Speaker 2: One of the smartest things I've did in my life
Speaker 2: was I've never smoked. My dad was a two packa
Speaker 2: day cigarette smoker. I hated the smell of cigarette smoke,
Speaker 2: and I have never smoked a cigarette in my life.
Speaker 2: Managing stress I'm not so good at. So there's things
Speaker 2: that all of us need to need to improve on,
Speaker 2: there's no doubt. But I hope that the American Heart
Speaker 2: Association will make all of this information available not only
Speaker 2: in English, but also in Spanish, so that you know
Speaker 2: Hispanic and Latino friends, I just as prepared to avoid
Speaker 2: stroke and not prepared to deal with it once their occurs.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely prevention for stroke. Prevention is extremely important. Like
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, once.
Speaker 3: You have a stroke, and I hope that never happens
Speaker 3: to you, but it is fairly common, as you said,
Speaker 3: in the United States, it is right now the fifth
Speaker 3: cause of death, and one person will have a stroke
Speaker 3: every forty seconds. So it is likely that someone you
Speaker 3: know will have a stroke at some point in their lives, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: and that is the reality that we need to understand.
Speaker 3: We really need to understand and recognize the stroke symptoms,
Speaker 3: and again very important, we need to know that stroke
Speaker 3: is a treatable condition and that the treatment is time dependent.
Speaker 3: So the sooner we get to the hospital, the sooner
Speaker 3: we call nine one one, the more likely we're going
Speaker 3: to be able to get the stroke treatment, hence hopefully
Speaker 3: we'll be able to reduce disability and death from stroke.
Speaker 2: Well, I very much appreciate you being with us. I
Speaker 2: was just doing the math in my head. We've talked
Speaker 2: about nine minutes, so that would mean that in the
Speaker 2: time that we've talked about a dozen people in the
Speaker 2: United States have suffered a stroke at some level. So
Speaker 2: that puts it in perspective as well. Doctor. I really
Speaker 2: appreciate your time tonight, and I appreciate what you're trying
Speaker 2: to do. Doc to Uh THEO Lisa, I know, I Knowah.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me much.
Speaker 2: We will talk again. Thank you, my friend. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Wow when you focus on the things that can impact
Speaker 2: your family so dramatically, Uh, this has to be right
Speaker 2: up there. So take what you heard, doctor, I knowah say,
Speaker 2: whether you listened in Spanish, Hispanic in Spanish, or in English,
Speaker 2: take it to heart. We get back to talk about
Speaker 2: We're going to talk with a rabbi, Rabbi Rick Jacobs.
Speaker 2: He's the president of the Union for Reform Judaism. He
Speaker 2: had the pleasure of meeting Pope Francis and we'll talk
Speaker 2: about that meeting when we get back here. On Nightside.
Speaker 2: My name's Dan Worry. This is Nightside coming back after
Speaker 2: this quick break.
Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. We're going to change our lineup
Speaker 2: a little. We had a little bit of trouble reaching
Speaker 2: our eight p fifteen guest, which happens, happens, but moving
Speaker 2: him up from the fourth spot to the number two spot.
Speaker 2: He's been here before. Boston Globe meteorologist Ken Mahan. Ken,
Speaker 2: I'm particularly happy to hear from you tonight, and we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about the month of May. We're on
Speaker 2: the doorstep of the month of May, and after the
Speaker 2: winter we've had. I am looking forward to May because
Speaker 2: but May apparently it's more summer like now than it
Speaker 2: used to be spring like. I'll take a little bit
Speaker 2: of summer. What's going on? What's what are we expecting here? Ken?
Speaker 2: How are you tonight?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 6: Dan, thanks again for having me on the show. It's
Speaker 6: been a minute. Always been a fan, and hey, you
Speaker 6: made me feel like a Red Sox player getting bumped
Speaker 6: up in the batting order.
Speaker 2: That's why, you know, we use that metaphor all the time.
Speaker 2: You know. We looked down the bench and I said, hen,
Speaker 2: get up here, grab a bat, let's go.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I feel like Dustin putjoya. You know this is great,
Speaker 6: it's too better. So it's interesting. We're coming off one
Speaker 6: of the coldest winters that we've seen in a while
Speaker 6: around you know, Boston and really all six New England states,
Speaker 6: and it's been interesting. You know, we've seen March become
Speaker 6: warmer than average, almost four degrees warmer than average, and
Speaker 6: the Greater Boston a couple of degrees across New England
Speaker 6: as a whole. And April is going to wrap up
Speaker 6: what tomorrow and it's going to end up with two
Speaker 6: to three degrees warmer than average typically compared to the
Speaker 6: thirty year norm. So what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Just January and February we're very cold? Correct?
Speaker 6: Yes, were?
Speaker 2: So how much did it all balance out? I mean,
Speaker 2: I read on Sundays. I always look at the the
Speaker 2: yearly temperature and it's always warmer it was in January.
Speaker 2: It was looking to me like it was warmer in January.
Speaker 2: And I'm saying, what planet living on? How much cold
Speaker 2: it was January? How much cold was February compared to
Speaker 2: margin April. Let's let's just deal with that for one second,
Speaker 2: rough numbers, give a rough idea.
Speaker 6: Yeah, starting yeah, I mean starting right there, you're talking
Speaker 6: between one to three degrees colder than average across all
Speaker 6: of New England as you blend in all six stakes,
Speaker 6: all their average temperatures from all weather reporting stations, right,
Speaker 6: And that was the first time in four years where
Speaker 6: New England as a whole was actually below the pharmatological norm.
Speaker 6: So it just felt that much more colder than we
Speaker 6: were used to.
Speaker 2: Well, that's January. Well that was Jane.
Speaker 7: That was January, and what happened in February.
Speaker 6: February was the repeat of the same. Not as dramatic
Speaker 6: as January, but it's still the pretty much half degree
Speaker 6: to a degree and a half colder than the typical
Speaker 6: month of February that we see Boston and beyond. Basically
Speaker 6: throw a dart at them at a map in New
Speaker 6: England and it was older than average in February.
Speaker 2: Okay, So then a long time March in April, and what.
Speaker 6: Happened we saw, you know, everyone has heard about El Nino,
Speaker 6: La Nina and the endo sort of climate pattern. We
Speaker 6: saw basically a dramatic shift to neutral conditions and that
Speaker 6: basically took us from a could of an average trend
Speaker 6: and put us a right smack dab to like more normalcy.
Speaker 6: Problem is normalcy over the past ten twenty thirty years
Speaker 6: is basically an increase in temperature. So we've actually seen
Speaker 6: a warm up in March, a warm up in April,
Speaker 6: and all signs points to the original question. May you know,
Speaker 6: the conversation is does may become a summer month? And
Speaker 6: it certainly seems that way if you take the sort
Speaker 6: of macro views of all of New England over the
Speaker 6: past thirty years.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it may becomes a summer month. I assume
Speaker 2: June was always we think of summer as I think.
Speaker 2: I think it's been schools out June, July and August,
Speaker 2: and I like this September is the start of fall.
Speaker 2: It's like the most beautiful month in New England, best
Speaker 2: weather except for the occasional hurricane. And then you know,
Speaker 2: it gets a little cooler in October and then reality
Speaker 2: strikes with November. So as of right now, even although
Speaker 2: we had a cold January and a cold a colder
Speaker 2: January and a colder February, that's more than been offset
Speaker 2: by a warmer March and a warmer April. So we're
Speaker 2: a little bit above where we should be in terms
Speaker 2: of temperature, is what I'm hearing. You said that right now.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's correct. Yeah, and that really is the case
Speaker 6: for all major cities across New England, you know, Boston certainly,
Speaker 6: And it looks like, you know, going into May, the outlook.
Speaker 6: I was just looking at the you know, eight to
Speaker 6: fourteen day outlook and then the monthly outlook, and it
Speaker 6: doesn't look like at a minimum will be at average.
Speaker 6: But the chances are it's just the way that things
Speaker 6: have been trending, will end up, you know, a degree
Speaker 6: or two above average once again.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the good news. Let's let's put a good
Speaker 2: news spin on this, ken. We could put the shovels away,
Speaker 2: and we could take the snowsteaks off the driveway, yes, yes.
Speaker 6: And we can reduce those heavy winter coats and put
Speaker 6: those away. We and in our household, we just put
Speaker 6: the winter gear down into the basement. So as a
Speaker 6: as a meteorologist, I'm home right.
Speaker 2: You know, and I'm sure you are. I think we're pasted.
Speaker 2: I do remember snowstorm. I think it was back in
Speaker 2: seventy seven, the first week of making a significant snowstorm
Speaker 2: that I covered way back as a as a as
Speaker 2: a rookie reporter.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, you know you know that on the head.
Speaker 6: I had someone just email me about that this morning,
Speaker 6: and yeah, that was exactly right.
Speaker 2: Yeah remember that stuff.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, for sure, for sure. Thank yeah, I will,
Speaker 6: thank you.
Speaker 2: Good. I didn't mean to be sorry.
Speaker 7: Good, totally fine, I was.
Speaker 6: It's just really interesting we've seen for the month of May,
Speaker 6: just the number of seventy degree days, in the number
Speaker 6: of eighty degree days just increase basically all across southern
Speaker 6: New England. So you know, if you're Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Providence, Hartford,
Speaker 6: down the south and the North Shores down into the
Speaker 6: Cape even seeing a bump in seventy and eighty degree days,
Speaker 6: which is nice for those folks that love the warmth. Right,
Speaker 6: summer starts early, but you're right though, Dan, summer sort
Speaker 6: of bloating. You know, we have an earlier start and
Speaker 6: then like a later finished September is hot as well.
Speaker 2: Let's do this. Let's plan maybe in the last week
Speaker 2: of May or the first week of June. Let's bring
Speaker 2: you back and let's just see how how may turns
Speaker 2: are because I think it'd be fun to follow it.
Speaker 2: You've laid it out so beautifully for my audience to understand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: cooler in January, colder or cooler, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it. January February, warmed up in March and April
Speaker 2: just a little bit. Let's see what happens to me.
Speaker 2: I love w backup on a month from now, if
Speaker 2: that's possible.
Speaker 6: Okay, always happy to jump on, Dan. I appreciate it
Speaker 6: and looking forward to connecting again.
Speaker 2: All right, you're a great picture tonight. Thanks Ken. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you for three with the home run. I love it.
Speaker 2: You've got it. Boston Globe Meteorologist Ken Mahon. Thanks Ken,
Speaker 2: we'll talk again. Thanks very much. Good night. Here comes
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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, so we have had a little confusion here,
Speaker 2: but we are delighted to welcome. This is no confusion here.
Speaker 2: We're delighted to welcome University of Virginia Professor Dale Copeland.
Speaker 2: Professor Copeland, welcome UVA. I think all of us know
Speaker 2: is a great school not too far down the East
Speaker 2: coast from us, located here in Boston. How are you tonight.
Speaker 7: I'm great, great to be here with you.
Speaker 2: You're an author and a professor of international relations with
Speaker 2: the Department of Politics. Right in my Wheelhouse. Here you
Speaker 2: have a new book, A World's Safe for Commerce, American
Speaker 2: foreign policy from the Revolution to the Rise of China.
Speaker 2: It's published by Princeton Studies and International History and Politics.
Speaker 2: Tell us about the book, Is this your first? I
Speaker 2: suspect it's not.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 7: No. Robert's my third book, and it's part of this
Speaker 7: larger project to look at how the rise and fall
Speaker 7: of great powers in world history tends to affect their
Speaker 7: foreign policies. But this time I focus solely on the
Speaker 7: commercial side, or at least the commercial determinants of that.
Speaker 7: So if a state like China, take a contemporary example,
Speaker 7: its state like China believes that it's not going to
Speaker 7: be able to get access to its markets or its
Speaker 7: raw materials, that negative expectation about the future can lead
Speaker 7: it to believe that it has to go to war
Speaker 7: or maybe just a militarized conflict over say Southeast Asia,
Speaker 7: to keep its trade routes open. And so this is
Speaker 7: really a struggle right now. It's a struggle between US
Speaker 7: and China over control of the world economy, and it's
Speaker 7: a struggle over smaller powers or smaller states like Malaysia, Indonesia.
Speaker 7: But it could also be over larger states like Japan
Speaker 7: or even India. So there's a lot going on right now,
Speaker 7: and the book addresses those kinds of questions.
Speaker 2: I follow this pretty closely. I believe that yesterday China
Speaker 2: staked out they actually unfrilled the flag on an island
Speaker 2: that is close to the Philippines that they want to
Speaker 2: claim ownership of, but it is actually an island that
Speaker 2: is owned by the Philippines. Are you hip to that
Speaker 2: story yesterday?
Speaker 7: I actually I was doing a presentation on the book
Speaker 7: yesterday and I drove all day, so I haven't been
Speaker 7: following the news. But it doesn't sound it sounds very familiar.
Speaker 7: China's been doing this for twenty five thirty years before
Speaker 7: even see Jingping, and it's largely a policy based around
Speaker 7: this idea of a nine day line that suggests that
Speaker 7: China controls most of the South China Sea, that area
Speaker 7: between say Philippines and Vietnam and Indonesia, and it's a
Speaker 7: way of projecting naval power into that area. A lot
Speaker 7: of people see it as tied to potential resources that
Speaker 7: are under the sea, such as oil, natural gas. I
Speaker 7: actually think that it's more about projecting naval and air
Speaker 7: power against this very narrow strait called the Malaca Strait
Speaker 7: between Indonesia and Malaysia. And it's essentially a way to
Speaker 7: tell the US and India don't mess with us, don't
Speaker 7: try to cut us off from oil like you did
Speaker 7: to Japan in nineteen forty one. So in that sense,
Speaker 7: it's tied to economics.
Speaker 2: And it's all the national power, you know, it's also
Speaker 2: this sense of this sense of manifest destiny and that
Speaker 2: you know, we have the Monroe doctrine that and we
Speaker 2: have backed off a lot of that. I think we
Speaker 2: are ruining the day that we saw we sold the
Speaker 2: Panama Canal for a dollar. Yeah, right, I think that
Speaker 2: was a huge mistake. China has its footprint not only
Speaker 2: all over Southeast Asia, right, and of course it's looking
Speaker 2: at Taiwan. They also have tremendous footprints in Central America,
Speaker 2: South America and in Africa.
Speaker 7: I mean no question about it. And in fact, the
Speaker 7: movement into the Caribbean is the latest of this. And
Speaker 7: they've basically bought the harbor of the small island of
Speaker 7: Antigua about one hundred thousand people, but it's an island nation,
Speaker 7: and they are setting up one of the largest ports,
Speaker 7: but also surveillance centers that they have anywhere in the world.
Speaker 7: And it's part of the Belt Road Belton Road initiative
Speaker 7: you mentioned, but it's also part of this larger strategic interest,
Speaker 7: very much like Alfred theyer Mahan's idea of projecting naval
Speaker 7: power around the world to protect their trade routes, their markets,
Speaker 7: their raw material supplies and so forth. And we did it,
Speaker 7: of course after Alfred they er Mahan clewed us in
Speaker 7: on it, and the Japanese did it, and the Germans
Speaker 7: did it. But now the Chinese are doing it. And
Speaker 7: while it may be very common for great powers to
Speaker 7: do this, it's very scary for the ones that find
Speaker 7: their neighborhoods suddenly not taken over, but suddenly they're no
Speaker 7: longer the big guy on the campus, so to speak.
Speaker 2: By the way, when you mentioned Antigua, I have been
Speaker 2: to Antigua. What absolute abject poverty. It's very close to Montserrat,
Speaker 2: the island that had that volcano about twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: When you talk about China, you can't forget that they
Speaker 2: ran that balloon across the United States of America a
Speaker 2: couple of winters ago and in a difference. And also
Speaker 2: they've been purchasing vast areas of arm acreage aught in
Speaker 2: places like North Dakota that are very close to US
Speaker 2: military installations. This is expansionism that is extraordinary when you
Speaker 2: think about it, and I think that is driving And
Speaker 2: maybe I'm dead wrong, you're the professor. I'm not, but
Speaker 2: I think that at its base, that is what is
Speaker 2: driving Trump's tariff policy. Now, I don't think he's executed
Speaker 2: it well so far, and I'm well to criticize that,
Speaker 2: but I think, and I'm wondering if you might agree
Speaker 2: with me, and if you don't tell me I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: that that might be an underlying factor in why he
Speaker 2: is doing this to try to bring China to heal
Speaker 2: a little bit. That's what I sense about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no question about that, Robert. And in fact,
Speaker 7: we can see this in a number of ways. A
Speaker 7: declining and very dominant state in history tends to do
Speaker 7: these kinds of things, tries to stop the rising power
Speaker 7: from growing further by trey by economic power projection. And
Speaker 7: others have done this too, say Britain or Britain did
Speaker 7: this to others, and then Germany did it when the
Speaker 7: US did it to the Soviet Union in the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 7: kept the Soviets from growing. It's not surprising that both
Speaker 7: the Democrats and the Republicans agree that China has grown
Speaker 7: too fast and too large and there should be some
Speaker 7: restrictions on further growth. Now. The real question, though, is
Speaker 7: and I think it's a trade off, and this is
Speaker 7: in the book, my book, A World's Safe for Commerce.
Speaker 7: There's this trade off between keeping the other down through
Speaker 7: trade restrictions or tariffs or simple cutoffs of supply like
Speaker 7: we did to Japan in nineteen forty one, and the
Speaker 7: potential for a spiral of conflict, not necessarily a Cuban
Speaker 7: missile crisis, but a crisis say in the South China Sea,
Speaker 7: where China worries about its supplies and it's it's markets
Speaker 7: and then thinks, well, now we really have to project power.
Speaker 7: So I would argue, yeah, Taiwan is a good example.
Speaker 7: And one of the reasons that Si Jinping, the leader
Speaker 7: of China, has not gone after Taiwan when he probably could,
Speaker 7: is that he knows that the economic costs not just
Speaker 7: of the invasion, but of the cutoffs or the restrictions
Speaker 7: that would follow would devastate China. China has about forty
Speaker 7: percent of its economy tied up in overseas trade. The
Speaker 7: US is about twenty two percent, but we're more sheltered
Speaker 7: because we trade a lot with allies. They the Chinese
Speaker 7: trade mostly with US or with people that are in
Speaker 7: our political sphere and allies of ours. So they have
Speaker 7: a very delicate situation here. They're the biggest trading country
Speaker 7: in the world. They have over one hundred countries that
Speaker 7: see China as their largest trading partner. And yet at
Speaker 7: the same time they have have some leverage over US,
Speaker 7: so we have to be careful here. Their main leverage,
Speaker 7: to be honest, is in rare earth. They supply the
Speaker 7: US with these critical minerals called rare earth for cell
Speaker 7: phones and electronics, and you know SUVs and.
Speaker 2: So, and that ties right into the Ukraine and Russia
Speaker 2: as well. Professor Coplan, I've so enjoyed this conversation. I
Speaker 2: want to go back to college, but it's a little
Speaker 2: too late at this point. Okay, you sound like you'd
Speaker 2: be a great professor of the book. Is a World
Speaker 2: Safe for comer commerce? Is it it's available now? Is
Speaker 2: it just out or is it out for a loot.
Speaker 7: No, it came out about a year ago, but it'll
Speaker 7: be perfect time. It's on Amazon.
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you if you even had a bump
Speaker 2: in your sales with the imposition of the tariffs. Uh,
Speaker 2: President Trump has actually, I think done you a favor.
Speaker 2: People should be buying your book at this point.
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know. It's it's it's a scary proposition.
Speaker 7: The whole last chapter is about US China. But I
Speaker 7: did not anticipate the full scope of what what could
Speaker 7: have happened. I warned about it, of course, but the
Speaker 7: idea of one hundred and forty five or fifty percent tariffs,
Speaker 7: it seems a little crazy to most people right now.
Speaker 7: And I think they will come down. He promised they
Speaker 7: would come.
Speaker 2: Down, right. Remember, what goes up has to come down.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a lot.
Speaker 7: It's probably in this case, the.
Speaker 2: World's safe for commerce. You have been a great guest.
Speaker 2: I really do mean that, and I thank you for
Speaker 2: joining us tonight. And I wish I was a student
Speaker 2: at you've already signing up.
Speaker 7: Hey, we'll take care, take care and then, and good
Speaker 7: to talk to you. Thank you, BacT with you.
Speaker 2: Professor Dale Copeland a world safe for commerce. When we
Speaker 2: get back, we will I'll be talking with Rabbi Rick
Speaker 2: Jacob's president of the Union for Reform Judaism back on
Speaker 2: nights Side. Right after this, you're on Night Side with
Speaker 2: Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. Well, early this evening
Speaker 2: had to shake up our batting order a little bit.
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure if Rabbi Rick Jacobs as a
Speaker 2: baseball fan, but Rebbi Jacobs, you were. You were hitting
Speaker 2: in the number two spot, and now you're batting clean up,
Speaker 2: you're number four. So I'm glad, very glad that we
Speaker 2: finally got you. I'll sort of keep the religious metaphor
Speaker 2: going along and saying our prayers were answered. We were
Speaker 2: afraid we weren't going to get you tonight. How are
Speaker 2: you this evening?
Speaker 5: I'm great and a big baseball fan, so I think
Speaker 5: in Boston that would put me in like a big
Speaker 5: poppy spot. That's a big pressure spot. But I'll do
Speaker 5: my best.
Speaker 2: It's a big pressure spot. It certainly is right right now.
Speaker 2: They're they're moving people around. You know, the Devers is
Speaker 2: hitting second and they have Bergman is hitting fourth, So
Speaker 2: that's that. And he's a good guy to have hitting
Speaker 2: hitting forth, that's for sure. So first of all, explain
Speaker 2: to us what the Union for Reform Judaism is. And
Speaker 2: I guess you also had an opportunity to meet with
Speaker 2: Pope Francis. Tell us about what you're the president of
Speaker 2: the Union for Reform Judaism. Explain I'm not Jewish. I
Speaker 2: have some familiarity with with the various diferences within the
Speaker 2: Jewish religion, as I have some familiar with the different
Speaker 2: different religions within the umbrella of Christianity. But Reform Judaism,
Speaker 2: go right ahead, sure, well.
Speaker 5: First of all, it's good to be with you and
Speaker 5: the Union Reformed Judaism with actually the largest movement in
Speaker 5: Jewish life here in North America according to the Pew surveys,
Speaker 5: around two million people. We've got over eight hundred congregations
Speaker 5: and network of summer camps, youth movements, social justice arm
Speaker 5: in Washington, d C. And you know, we're very much
Speaker 5: present all through North America and pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 5: And I did have a great privilege and honor of
Speaker 5: meeting with Pope Francis. What an extraordinary religious leader, I
Speaker 5: have to say. It was in twenty seventeen, he convened
Speaker 5: a conference at the Vatican on refugees, asylum seekers, migrants
Speaker 5: and immigrants, and it was an urgent moral issue for him,
Speaker 5: and he brought together a group of religious leaders from
Speaker 5: around the world to not just think and talk, to
Speaker 5: figure out what more we could do to raise our
Speaker 5: religious voices on behalf of the most vulnerable. And that,
Speaker 5: of course was his essence. And we sat together in
Speaker 5: a one on one and I have to say it's
Speaker 5: something I'll remember all my days, just the humility of
Speaker 5: this incredible man, but also the audacity, the fearlessness, and
Speaker 5: the way in which he was able to raise issues
Speaker 5: and bring people together, not just within the church but
Speaker 5: really across all faith lines. Really an extraordinary loss, I
Speaker 5: think for all of us.
Speaker 2: Well, it was interesting. By twenty seventeen, you know, Paul
Speaker 2: Francis had certainly secured his footing. He was elected elevated
Speaker 2: to the position of the College of Cardinals in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: He probably was in he was would have been eighty
Speaker 2: years old or eighty one years old at that time,
Speaker 2: so therefore he was really at the top of his game.
Speaker 2: And did you again, you're coming from from a different
Speaker 2: you know, faith perspective. But as I tell friends of mine,
Speaker 2: I happen to be Roman Catholic, but I'm someone who
Speaker 2: is as a television reporter, visited Auschwitz and one Emmy
Speaker 2: for my work in Auschwitz in nineteen eighty six, and
Speaker 2: people will say to me, gee, you're not Jewish, how
Speaker 2: come you're so open to Judaism and also very supportive
Speaker 2: of the state of Israel. And I kid with people.
Speaker 2: I said, well, you know, the guy that founded my
Speaker 2: religion was Jewish and his poser's word as well, and
Speaker 2: that kind of takes the edge off a little a
Speaker 2: little bit. So you're pretty progressive, I assume on reform,
Speaker 2: Judaism is probably a pretty progressive brand of Judaism.
Speaker 5: Correct, That's absolutely correct, Okay.
Speaker 2: And Francis was very I thought, pretty progressive, certainly compared
Speaker 2: to John Paul the Second and some of the prior popes.
Speaker 2: And as a Catholic, you know, I'm I'm a an
Speaker 2: imperfect Catholic. But one of the things that sometimes I think,
Speaker 2: uh that I've had my question with Francis and so
Speaker 2: in his absence to you is I know that a
Speaker 2: lot of the more progressive groups are talking about immigration
Speaker 2: and immigration is an international issue. There's immigration from Africa
Speaker 2: to Europe, there's immigration from all around the world to
Speaker 2: the United States. As someone who probably is a little
Speaker 2: more conservative, I guess would be the way to describe it,
Speaker 2: I'm very much in favor of immigration, but legal immigration.
Speaker 2: So any country needs to know who's coming into that
Speaker 2: country and what their purpose is. How do I square
Speaker 2: that with you? And how do I square that with
Speaker 2: my religion, my Catholicism, the philosophy that France has projected.
Speaker 2: Am I a total troglodyte.
Speaker 5: No, Well, first of all, I don't think you're some
Speaker 5: minority on that. I mean, we have to have some
Speaker 5: rules obviously, you know, just open borders is not actually
Speaker 5: a plan. But we have tens of millions of refugees
Speaker 5: and asylum seekers in the world, and we have a
Speaker 5: moral responsibility to them, whether or not they can come
Speaker 5: into the country in which we reside. We are to
Speaker 5: treat them with not just dignity. But the Bible commands us,
Speaker 5: more than any other commandment, to love the gear the stranger,
Speaker 5: to love that one who's not like you, maybe doesn't
Speaker 5: share a language, maybe not even the same faith. But
Speaker 5: you know, Pope Francis was really about the dignity of
Speaker 5: every human being, and in that there's just that's not
Speaker 5: a political issue, it's a core religious commitment. And I
Speaker 5: have to say, you know, he started his career in Argentina,
Speaker 5: and he was so close to a number of rabbis
Speaker 5: that were really my teachers. So he was somebody who
Speaker 5: had been a part of the Jewish community. He knew rabbis,
Speaker 5: they had worked together on behalf of social justice, the
Speaker 5: more fair, more equitable society. So when he came into
Speaker 5: the papacy, he already brought those relationships and it was
Speaker 5: very comfortable for him to talk about the issues that
Speaker 5: were burning in our community. And you know, I remember
Speaker 5: when he was asked about, you know, his policy towards
Speaker 5: the LGBTQ community within the church, and he said, who
Speaker 5: am I to judge? And you know what, he's the pope.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't that be the role of a pope if he
Speaker 5: wanted to. But his you know, humanity, he saw every
Speaker 5: person individually and gave each person, you know, his full
Speaker 5: heart and attention. And I think he modeled for all
Speaker 5: of us what faith could be. And there are a
Speaker 5: lot of people in the world who don't have faith,
Speaker 5: but for many of them, not just for the Catholics
Speaker 5: with you know, within the one point three or one
Speaker 5: point four billion Catholics, there are so many people who
Speaker 5: just heard his voice and said, that's the voice of
Speaker 5: a religious leader. That's the voice that speaks about the
Speaker 5: dignity the humanity, and always from a place of kindness
Speaker 5: and love. I mean, if that's not the real deal,
Speaker 5: I don't know what is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that between you and me, I'm more
Speaker 2: of a John. Paul's the second guy because he stood
Speaker 2: up against the Nazis and the Communists in the face
Speaker 2: of real physical danger at a time when the world
Speaker 2: was burning. But I certainly appreciate your reflections tonight. And
Speaker 2: it's great when two of the great religions in the world,
Speaker 2: because I do think religions are so important can work
Speaker 2: together as you and the Pope did. So thanks so
Speaker 2: much for enlightening us about reform Judaism. And I know
Speaker 2: folks can probably find you and find a website and
Speaker 2: perhaps get in touch with you if they're so inclined.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's been a pleasure, and thank you for telling
Speaker 5: this story. And yes, on Paul, what an extraordinary leader.
Speaker 5: It's not about you know this one was good, in
Speaker 5: this one not. They have moved so beautifully into a
Speaker 5: new chapter of interfaith cooperation and that's what we need
Speaker 5: more of in this world than I thank you for
Speaker 5: all that you do.
Speaker 2: Very important. Right back at your Rabbi Rick Jacobs, thank
Speaker 2: you very much. The president of the Union for Reform Judaism,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: Revi, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: When we get back, we are going to talk about
Speaker 2: the return of college Republicans at Harvard University. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: was a front page Globe magazine piece earlier this month,
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk with the author, Adelaide Parker.
Speaker 2: She is a Harvard junior and very very interesting young woman,
Speaker 2: and we'll be back with her and looking forward to
Speaker 2: your phone calls as well. Right after the nine o'clock
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