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<v Speaker 1>It's a nice side.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done Ray undelling you Mazy Boston's News Radio. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>very much, Madison. We are ready for a very busy

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday night here on Nightside. We have so much to cover.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how we're gonna get it all in,

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<v Speaker 2>but we will try. We will try. We have four

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting guests coming up during the first hour. No

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls, as I'm sure all I have you know

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<v Speaker 2>by now. During the first hour at nine o'clock tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>we will talk with a Boston Globe correspondent who is

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<v Speaker 2>also a junior at Harvard College, Harvard University, Harvard Well

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard College, the undergraduate, and she is going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>with us about the return of college Republicans on that

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<v Speaker 2>embattled campus right now. We'll also at some point tonight

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<v Speaker 2>talk about President Trump's first one hundred days. Give you

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to give him a grade, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the efforts that he's been engaged in, some successful, others

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps not so successful. And we hope to get to

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<v Speaker 2>the question of the arrest of a couple of judges,

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<v Speaker 2>one in Wisconsin and one forman judge in New Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>by federal authority. So we have lots to cover tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will start off with some information that hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>all of you will listen to very carefully, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is a Survive Stroke Week and we hope to educate

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<v Speaker 2>Americans about the symptoms of stroke. By the way, I

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<v Speaker 2>will remind you that Rob Brooks is back in the

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<v Speaker 2>control room. Almost forgot about you, Rob, You're the most

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<v Speaker 2>valuable player in the program, so thanks very much for

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<v Speaker 2>being back there. As a matter of fact, Rob just

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<v Speaker 2>told me a moment ago that we have our first guest,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor vill Lisa. I knowah, doctor, I knowah. Welcome to NIGHT'SID.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you good? How are you? Thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>having me?

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<v Speaker 2>You're right welcome. Stroke is something that is important. It's

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<v Speaker 2>particularly important, I guess this year a Survived Stroke Week

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<v Speaker 2>is focusing on the Hispanic community here in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>where stroke ranks as the fourth leading cause for death

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<v Speaker 2>for Hispanic men and the third leading cause for Hispanic women. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>strokes can hit any one of us. Why is it

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<v Speaker 2>that within the Hispanic community stroke seems to be especially dangerous?

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<v Speaker 2>Not I mean cancer's dangerous heart attacks. We're all all

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<v Speaker 2>of this is things that we're all concerned about. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is one that there's a focus this uh this

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<v Speaker 2>week on getting the world out to the Hispanic community.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a very very good question. I first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I really want to say thank you for having me

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<v Speaker 3>this evening. I am Dominigan, so I am Hispanic, and

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<v Speaker 3>I can I can speak from heart. I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of respactors that will be more

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<v Speaker 3>prevalent in the Hispanic population. And we're talking about high

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<v Speaker 3>blood pressure and diabetes, obesity on healthy lifestyle, so that

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<v Speaker 3>would be one factor. But I think there's something very

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<v Speaker 3>important to understand, which is that the knowledge about stroke

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<v Speaker 3>symptoms actually is going to be less When we interview

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<v Speaker 3>Hispanic patients, they do not know how stroke would present,

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<v Speaker 3>and also they do not know that stroke is a

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<v Speaker 3>treatable condition, so they will not call nine one one.

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<v Speaker 3>Hence they won't get to the hospitals where they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to get the right treatment for this condition.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, look within every community, obviously there are people who

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<v Speaker 2>allow their health is not their top priority. What can

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<v Speaker 2>be done to make sure that the Hispanic community, not

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<v Speaker 2>only here in Boston, but anywhere within the sound of

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<v Speaker 2>our voice, were heard on over the air terrestrial radio

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<v Speaker 2>in half of the United States. What do individuals need

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<v Speaker 2>to do? Are the websites they can go to? Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>they need to talk with their doctors about this as well.

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<v Speaker 2>What can we do to bring this to everyone's attention

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<v Speaker 2>everyone who's listening tonight, but the Hispanic or not, but

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<v Speaker 2>everyone possibly? What needs to be done?

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<v Speaker 3>I think what you are doing right now is absolutely important.

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<v Speaker 3>Right so making sure that the message gets to keep

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<v Speaker 3>all people in the community and that we create stroke

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<v Speaker 3>awareness campaigns. There are multiple websites we are working with

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<v Speaker 3>the get Ahead of Stroke dot org website, which has

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of information not only for the English speaking community,

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<v Speaker 3>but also data that has been translated into Spanish and

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<v Speaker 3>creating mnemonics that are not only understood by the English

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<v Speaker 3>population but also by the Hispanic population, like rapid though,

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<v Speaker 3>and we can go over the mneumonic in a minute

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<v Speaker 3>if you would like me too, and I can explain.

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<v Speaker 2>It in Spanish. Go right ahead on all ears.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>So Rappio stands for our rosto last persona. No can

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<v Speaker 3>I speak? Can I speak Spanish? Can I explain in Spanish?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? That's that's the audience that we need to reach.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, go right ahead, perfect, perfect rostro candola cara is

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<v Speaker 4>the devil Alo la jent no pether comin bieng perlasa

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<v Speaker 4>peo pierna.

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<v Speaker 3>The impedimental, isel bosa the difficult that para avla la

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<v Speaker 3>hin avl biengtro poso oh tenga I do the rap.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's in summary in Spanish, and thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. There's also a website called Let's Talk about Hispanic

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<v Speaker 2>and Latino Americans and Stroke that is provided by the

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<v Speaker 2>American Heart Association. People should realize that things like high

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<v Speaker 2>blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, high cholesterol, smoking, stress, social determinants

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<v Speaker 2>of health. All of these factors can increase the likelihood

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<v Speaker 2>and increase your fist. If you want to reduce the

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<v Speaker 2>likelihood of stroke or whatever your background is, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to eat more fruits and vegetables, reduce salt in your diet,

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<v Speaker 2>increase physical activity, quit smoking, or never start. The smallest thing.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the smartest things I've did in my life

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<v Speaker 2>was I've never smoked. My dad was a two packa

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<v Speaker 2>day cigarette smoker. I hated the smell of cigarette smoke,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have never smoked a cigarette in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Managing stress I'm not so good at. So there's things

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<v Speaker 2>that all of us need to need to improve on,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no doubt. But I hope that the American Heart

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<v Speaker 2>Association will make all of this information available not only

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<v Speaker 2>in English, but also in Spanish, so that you know

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<v Speaker 2>Hispanic and Latino friends, I just as prepared to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>stroke and not prepared to deal with it once their occurs.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely prevention for stroke. Prevention is extremely important. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you just mentioned, once.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a stroke, and I hope that never happens

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<v Speaker 3>to you, but it is fairly common, as you said,

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<v Speaker 3>in the United States, it is right now the fifth

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<v Speaker 3>cause of death, and one person will have a stroke

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<v Speaker 3>every forty seconds. So it is likely that someone you

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<v Speaker 3>know will have a stroke at some point in their lives, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is the reality that we need to understand.

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<v Speaker 3>We really need to understand and recognize the stroke symptoms,

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<v Speaker 3>and again very important, we need to know that stroke

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<v Speaker 3>is a treatable condition and that the treatment is time dependent.

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<v Speaker 3>So the sooner we get to the hospital, the sooner

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<v Speaker 3>we call nine one one, the more likely we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to get the stroke treatment, hence hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>we'll be able to reduce disability and death from stroke.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I very much appreciate you being with us. I

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<v Speaker 2>was just doing the math in my head. We've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about nine minutes, so that would mean that in the

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<v Speaker 2>time that we've talked about a dozen people in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States have suffered a stroke at some level. So

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<v Speaker 2>that puts it in perspective as well. Doctor. I really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your time tonight, and I appreciate what you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do. Doc to Uh THEO Lisa, I know, I Knowah.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for having me much.

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<v Speaker 2>We will talk again. Thank you, my friend. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow when you focus on the things that can impact

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<v Speaker 2>your family so dramatically, Uh, this has to be right

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<v Speaker 2>up there. So take what you heard, doctor, I knowah say,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you listened in Spanish, Hispanic in Spanish, or in English,

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<v Speaker 2>take it to heart. We get back to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk with a rabbi, Rabbi Rick Jacobs.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the president of the Union for Reform Judaism. He

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<v Speaker 2>had the pleasure of meeting Pope Francis and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that meeting when we get back here. On Nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Dan Worry. This is Nightside coming back after

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<v Speaker 2>this quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back. We're going to change our lineup

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<v Speaker 2>a little. We had a little bit of trouble reaching

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<v Speaker 2>our eight p fifteen guest, which happens, happens, but moving

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<v Speaker 2>him up from the fourth spot to the number two spot.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been here before. Boston Globe meteorologist Ken Mahan. Ken,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm particularly happy to hear from you tonight, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about the month of May. We're on

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<v Speaker 2>the doorstep of the month of May, and after the

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<v Speaker 2>winter we've had. I am looking forward to May because

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<v Speaker 2>but May apparently it's more summer like now than it

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<v Speaker 2>used to be spring like. I'll take a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of summer. What's going on? What's what are we expecting here? Ken?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 6>Dan, thanks again for having me on the show. It's

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<v Speaker 6>been a minute. Always been a fan, and hey, you

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<v Speaker 6>made me feel like a Red Sox player getting bumped

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<v Speaker 6>up in the batting order.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why, you know, we use that metaphor all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. We looked down the bench and I said, hen,

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<v Speaker 2>get up here, grab a bat, let's go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like Dustin putjoya. You know this is great,

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<v Speaker 6>it's too better. So it's interesting. We're coming off one

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<v Speaker 6>of the coldest winters that we've seen in a while

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<v Speaker 6>around you know, Boston and really all six New England states,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's been interesting. You know, we've seen March become

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<v Speaker 6>warmer than average, almost four degrees warmer than average, and

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<v Speaker 6>the Greater Boston a couple of degrees across New England

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<v Speaker 6>as a whole. And April is going to wrap up

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<v Speaker 6>what tomorrow and it's going to end up with two

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<v Speaker 6>to three degrees warmer than average typically compared to the

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<v Speaker 6>thirty year norm. So what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Just January and February we're very cold? Correct?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, were?

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<v Speaker 2>So how much did it all balance out? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I read on Sundays. I always look at the the

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<v Speaker 2>yearly temperature and it's always warmer it was in January.

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<v Speaker 2>It was looking to me like it was warmer in January.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm saying, what planet living on? How much cold

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<v Speaker 2>it was January? How much cold was February compared to

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<v Speaker 2>margin April. Let's let's just deal with that for one second,

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<v Speaker 2>rough numbers, give a rough idea.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, starting yeah, I mean starting right there, you're talking

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<v Speaker 6>between one to three degrees colder than average across all

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<v Speaker 6>of New England as you blend in all six stakes,

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<v Speaker 6>all their average temperatures from all weather reporting stations, right,

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<v Speaker 6>And that was the first time in four years where

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<v Speaker 6>New England as a whole was actually below the pharmatological norm.

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<v Speaker 6>So it just felt that much more colder than we

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<v Speaker 6>were used to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's January. Well that was Jane.

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<v Speaker 7>That was January, and what happened in February.

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<v Speaker 6>February was the repeat of the same. Not as dramatic

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<v Speaker 6>as January, but it's still the pretty much half degree

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<v Speaker 6>to a degree and a half colder than the typical

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<v Speaker 6>month of February that we see Boston and beyond. Basically

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<v Speaker 6>throw a dart at them at a map in New

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So then a long time March in April, and what.

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<v Speaker 6>Happened we saw, you know, everyone has heard about El Nino,

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<v Speaker 6>Problem is normalcy over the past ten twenty thirty years

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<v Speaker 6>is basically an increase in temperature. So we've actually seen

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<v Speaker 6>a warm up in March, a warm up in April,

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<v Speaker 6>and all signs points to the original question. May you know,

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<v Speaker 6>the conversation is does may become a summer month? And

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<v Speaker 6>it certainly seems that way if you take the sort

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it may becomes a summer month. I assume

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<v Speaker 2>June was always we think of summer as I think.

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<v Speaker 2>and I like this September is the start of fall.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the most beautiful month in New England, best

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<v Speaker 2>it gets a little cooler in October and then reality

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<v Speaker 2>by a warmer March and a warmer April. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit above where we should be in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of temperature, is what I'm hearing. You said that right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, that's correct. Yeah, and that really is the case

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<v Speaker 6>for all major cities across New England, you know, Boston certainly,

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<v Speaker 6>And it looks like, you know, going into May, the outlook.

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<v Speaker 6>But the chances are it's just the way that things

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the good news. Let's let's put a good

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<v Speaker 2>news spin on this, ken. We could put the shovels away,

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<v Speaker 2>and we could take the snowsteaks off the driveway, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 6>And we can reduce those heavy winter coats and put

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<v Speaker 6>those away. We and in our household, we just put

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<v Speaker 6>as a meteorologist, I'm home right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, and I'm sure you are. I think we're pasted.

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember snowstorm. I think it was back in

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<v Speaker 2>seventy seven, the first week of making a significant snowstorm

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<v Speaker 6>Uh yeah, you know you know that on the head.

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<v Speaker 6>I had someone just email me about that this morning,

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<v Speaker 6>and yeah, that was exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah remember that stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my gosh, for sure, for sure. Thank yeah, I will,

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<v Speaker 6>thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Good. I didn't mean to be sorry.

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<v Speaker 7>Good, totally fine, I was.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just really interesting we've seen for the month of May,

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<v Speaker 6>just the number of seventy degree days, in the number

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<v Speaker 6>of eighty degree days just increase basically all across southern

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<v Speaker 6>New England. So you know, if you're Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Providence, Hartford,

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<v Speaker 6>down the south and the North Shores down into the

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<v Speaker 6>Cape even seeing a bump in seventy and eighty degree days,

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<v Speaker 6>which is nice for those folks that love the warmth. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>summer starts early, but you're right though, Dan, summer sort

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<v Speaker 6>of bloating. You know, we have an earlier start and

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<v Speaker 6>then like a later finished September is hot as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do this. Let's plan maybe in the last week

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<v Speaker 2>of May or the first week of June. Let's bring

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<v Speaker 2>are because I think it'd be fun to follow it.

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<v Speaker 2>You've laid it out so beautifully for my audience to understand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>cooler in January, colder or cooler, whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 2>call it. January February, warmed up in March and April

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit. Let's see what happens to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I love w backup on a month from now, if

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, always happy to jump on, Dan. I appreciate it

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<v Speaker 6>and looking forward to connecting again.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you're a great picture tonight. Thanks Ken. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you for three with the home run. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got it. Boston Globe Meteorologist Ken Mahon. Thanks Ken,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk again. Thanks very much. Good night. Here comes

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<v Speaker 2>Back on Nightside, right after the news break at the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so we have had a little confusion here,

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<v Speaker 2>but we are delighted to welcome. This is no confusion here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're delighted to welcome University of Virginia Professor Dale Copeland.

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<v Speaker 2>Professor Copeland, welcome UVA. I think all of us know

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<v Speaker 2>is a great school not too far down the East

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<v Speaker 2>coast from us, located here in Boston. How are you tonight.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm great, great to be here with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're an author and a professor of international relations with

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Politics. Right in my Wheelhouse. Here you

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<v Speaker 2>have a new book, A World's Safe for Commerce, American

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<v Speaker 2>foreign policy from the Revolution to the Rise of China.

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<v Speaker 2>It's published by Princeton Studies and International History and Politics.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about the book, Is this your first? I

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<v Speaker 2>suspect it's not.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 7>No. Robert's my third book, and it's part of this

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<v Speaker 7>larger project to look at how the rise and fall

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<v Speaker 7>of great powers in world history tends to affect their

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<v Speaker 7>foreign policies. But this time I focus solely on the

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<v Speaker 7>commercial side, or at least the commercial determinants of that.

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<v Speaker 7>So if a state like China, take a contemporary example,

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<v Speaker 7>its state like China believes that it's not going to

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<v Speaker 7>it to believe that it has to go to war

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<v Speaker 7>or maybe just a militarized conflict over say Southeast Asia,

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<v Speaker 7>to keep its trade routes open. And so this is

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<v Speaker 7>really a struggle right now. It's a struggle between US

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<v Speaker 7>a struggle over smaller powers or smaller states like Malaysia, Indonesia.

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<v Speaker 7>But it could also be over larger states like Japan

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<v Speaker 7>or even India. So there's a lot going on right now,

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<v Speaker 7>and the book addresses those kinds of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I follow this pretty closely. I believe that yesterday China

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<v Speaker 2>staked out they actually unfrilled the flag on an island

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<v Speaker 2>that is close to the Philippines that they want to

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<v Speaker 2>is owned by the Philippines. Are you hip to that

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<v Speaker 2>story yesterday?

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<v Speaker 7>I actually I was doing a presentation on the book

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<v Speaker 7>yesterday and I drove all day, so I haven't been

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<v Speaker 7>following the news. But it doesn't sound it sounds very familiar.

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<v Speaker 7>China's been doing this for twenty five thirty years before

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<v Speaker 7>even see Jingping, and it's largely a policy based around

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<v Speaker 7>this idea of a nine day line that suggests that

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<v Speaker 7>China controls most of the South China Sea, that area

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<v Speaker 7>actually think that it's more about projecting naval and air

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<v Speaker 7>between Indonesia and Malaysia. And it's essentially a way to

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<v Speaker 7>try to cut us off from oil like you did

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<v Speaker 7>to Japan in nineteen forty one. So in that sense,

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<v Speaker 7>it's tied to economics.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's all the national power, you know, it's also

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<v Speaker 2>this sense of this sense of manifest destiny and that

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<v Speaker 2>was a huge mistake. China has its footprint not only

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<v Speaker 2>all over Southeast Asia, right, and of course it's looking

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<v Speaker 7>I mean no question about it. And in fact, the

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<v Speaker 7>movement into the Caribbean is the latest of this. And

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<v Speaker 7>they've basically bought the harbor of the small island of

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<v Speaker 7>Antigua about one hundred thousand people, but it's an island nation,

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<v Speaker 7>and they are setting up one of the largest ports,

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<v Speaker 7>but also surveillance centers that they have anywhere in the world.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's part of the Belt Road Belton Road initiative

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<v Speaker 7>you mentioned, but it's also part of this larger strategic interest,

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<v Speaker 7>very much like Alfred theyer Mahan's idea of projecting naval

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<v Speaker 7>power around the world to protect their trade routes, their markets,

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<v Speaker 7>their raw material supplies and so forth. And we did it,

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<v Speaker 7>of course after Alfred they er Mahan clewed us in

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<v Speaker 7>on it, and the Japanese did it, and the Germans

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<v Speaker 7>did it. But now the Chinese are doing it. And

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<v Speaker 7>while it may be very common for great powers to

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<v Speaker 7>do this, it's very scary for the ones that find

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<v Speaker 7>their neighborhoods suddenly not taken over, but suddenly they're no

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, when you mentioned Antigua, I have been

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<v Speaker 2>to Antigua. What absolute abject poverty. It's very close to Montserrat,

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<v Speaker 2>the island that had that volcano about twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>When you talk about China, you can't forget that they

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<v Speaker 2>ran that balloon across the United States of America a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of winters ago and in a difference. And also

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<v Speaker 2>they've been purchasing vast areas of arm acreage aught in

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<v Speaker 2>places like North Dakota that are very close to US

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<v Speaker 2>military installations. This is expansionism that is extraordinary when you

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, and I think that is driving And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that at its base, that is what is

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<v Speaker 2>it well so far, and I'm well to criticize that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think, and I'm wondering if you might agree

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<v Speaker 2>that that might be an underlying factor in why he

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<v Speaker 2>is doing this to try to bring China to heal

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. That's what I sense about it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, there's no question about that, Robert. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 7>we can see this in a number of ways. A

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<v Speaker 7>declining and very dominant state in history tends to do

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<v Speaker 7>these kinds of things, tries to stop the rising power

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<v Speaker 7>from growing further by trey by economic power projection. And

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<v Speaker 7>others have done this too, say Britain or Britain did

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<v Speaker 7>this to others, and then Germany did it when the

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<v Speaker 7>US did it to the Soviet Union in the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 7>kept the Soviets from growing. It's not surprising that both

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<v Speaker 7>the Democrats and the Republicans agree that China has grown

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<v Speaker 7>too fast and too large and there should be some

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<v Speaker 7>restrictions on further growth. Now. The real question, though, is

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<v Speaker 7>and I think it's a trade off, and this is

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<v Speaker 7>in the book, my book, A World's Safe for Commerce.

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<v Speaker 7>There's this trade off between keeping the other down through

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<v Speaker 7>trade restrictions or tariffs or simple cutoffs of supply like

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<v Speaker 7>we did to Japan in nineteen forty one, and the

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<v Speaker 7>potential for a spiral of conflict, not necessarily a Cuban

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<v Speaker 7>missile crisis, but a crisis say in the South China Sea,

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<v Speaker 7>where China worries about its supplies and it's it's markets

439
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<v Speaker 7>and then thinks, well, now we really have to project power.

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<v Speaker 7>So I would argue, yeah, Taiwan is a good example.

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<v Speaker 7>And one of the reasons that Si Jinping, the leader

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<v Speaker 7>of China, has not gone after Taiwan when he probably could,

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<v Speaker 7>is that he knows that the economic costs not just

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<v Speaker 7>of the invasion, but of the cutoffs or the restrictions

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<v Speaker 7>that would follow would devastate China. China has about forty

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<v Speaker 7>percent of its economy tied up in overseas trade. The

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<v Speaker 7>US is about twenty two percent, but we're more sheltered

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<v Speaker 7>because we trade a lot with allies. They the Chinese

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<v Speaker 7>trade mostly with US or with people that are in

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<v Speaker 7>our political sphere and allies of ours. So they have

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<v Speaker 7>a very delicate situation here. They're the biggest trading country

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<v Speaker 7>in the world. They have over one hundred countries that

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<v Speaker 7>see China as their largest trading partner. And yet at

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<v Speaker 7>the same time they have have some leverage over US,

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<v Speaker 7>so we have to be careful here. Their main leverage,

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<v Speaker 7>to be honest, is in rare earth. They supply the

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<v Speaker 7>US with these critical minerals called rare earth for cell

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<v Speaker 7>phones and electronics, and you know SUVs and.

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<v Speaker 2>So, and that ties right into the Ukraine and Russia

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Professor Coplan, I've so enjoyed this conversation. I

461
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<v Speaker 2>want to go back to college, but it's a little

462
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<v Speaker 2>too late at this point. Okay, you sound like you'd

463
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<v Speaker 2>be a great professor of the book. Is a World

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<v Speaker 2>Safe for comer commerce? Is it it's available now? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it just out or is it out for a loot.

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<v Speaker 7>No, it came out about a year ago, but it'll

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<v Speaker 7>be perfect time. It's on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll tell you if you even had a bump

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<v Speaker 2>in your sales with the imposition of the tariffs. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump has actually, I think done you a favor.

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<v Speaker 2>People should be buying your book at this point.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I don't know. It's it's it's a scary proposition.

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<v Speaker 7>The whole last chapter is about US China. But I

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<v Speaker 7>did not anticipate the full scope of what what could

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<v Speaker 7>have happened. I warned about it, of course, but the

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<v Speaker 7>idea of one hundred and forty five or fifty percent tariffs,

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<v Speaker 7>it seems a little crazy to most people right now.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think they will come down. He promised they

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<v Speaker 7>would come.

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<v Speaker 2>Down, right. Remember, what goes up has to come down.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 7>It's probably in this case, the.

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<v Speaker 2>World's safe for commerce. You have been a great guest.

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<v Speaker 2>I really do mean that, and I thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us tonight. And I wish I was a student

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<v Speaker 2>at you've already signing up.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, we'll take care, take care and then, and good

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<v Speaker 7>to talk to you. Thank you, BacT with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Professor Dale Copeland a world safe for commerce. When we

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<v Speaker 2>get back, we will I'll be talking with Rabbi Rick

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob's president of the Union for Reform Judaism back on

492
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<v Speaker 2>nights Side. Right after this, you're on Night Side with

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. Well, early this evening

494
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<v Speaker 2>had to shake up our batting order a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not sure if Rabbi Rick Jacobs as a

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<v Speaker 2>baseball fan, but Rebbi Jacobs, you were. You were hitting

497
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<v Speaker 2>in the number two spot, and now you're batting clean up,

498
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<v Speaker 2>you're number four. So I'm glad, very glad that we

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<v Speaker 2>finally got you. I'll sort of keep the religious metaphor

500
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<v Speaker 2>going along and saying our prayers were answered. We were

501
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<v Speaker 2>afraid we weren't going to get you tonight. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you this evening?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm great and a big baseball fan, so I think

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<v Speaker 5>in Boston that would put me in like a big

505
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<v Speaker 5>poppy spot. That's a big pressure spot. But I'll do

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<v Speaker 5>my best.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big pressure spot. It certainly is right right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're moving people around. You know, the Devers is

509
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<v Speaker 2>hitting second and they have Bergman is hitting fourth, So

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<v Speaker 2>that's that. And he's a good guy to have hitting

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<v Speaker 2>hitting forth, that's for sure. So first of all, explain

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<v Speaker 2>to us what the Union for Reform Judaism is. And

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you also had an opportunity to meet with

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<v Speaker 2>Pope Francis. Tell us about what you're the president of

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<v Speaker 2>the Union for Reform Judaism. Explain I'm not Jewish. I

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<v Speaker 2>have some familiarity with with the various diferences within the

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish religion, as I have some familiar with the different

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<v Speaker 2>different religions within the umbrella of Christianity. But Reform Judaism,

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<v Speaker 2>go right ahead, sure, well.

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, it's good to be with you and

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<v Speaker 5>the Union Reformed Judaism with actually the largest movement in

522
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<v Speaker 5>Jewish life here in North America according to the Pew surveys,

523
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<v Speaker 5>around two million people. We've got over eight hundred congregations

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<v Speaker 5>and network of summer camps, youth movements, social justice arm

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<v Speaker 5>in Washington, d C. And you know, we're very much

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<v Speaker 5>present all through North America and pleasure to be with you.

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<v Speaker 5>And I did have a great privilege and honor of

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<v Speaker 5>meeting with Pope Francis. What an extraordinary religious leader, I

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<v Speaker 5>have to say. It was in twenty seventeen, he convened

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<v Speaker 5>a conference at the Vatican on refugees, asylum seekers, migrants

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<v Speaker 5>and immigrants, and it was an urgent moral issue for him,

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<v Speaker 5>and he brought together a group of religious leaders from

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<v Speaker 5>around the world to not just think and talk, to

534
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<v Speaker 5>figure out what more we could do to raise our

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<v Speaker 5>religious voices on behalf of the most vulnerable. And that,

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<v Speaker 5>of course was his essence. And we sat together in

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<v Speaker 5>a one on one and I have to say it's

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<v Speaker 5>something I'll remember all my days, just the humility of

539
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<v Speaker 5>this incredible man, but also the audacity, the fearlessness, and

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<v Speaker 5>the way in which he was able to raise issues

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<v Speaker 5>and bring people together, not just within the church but

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<v Speaker 5>really across all faith lines. Really an extraordinary loss, I

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<v Speaker 5>think for all of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was interesting. By twenty seventeen, you know, Paul

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<v Speaker 2>Francis had certainly secured his footing. He was elected elevated

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<v Speaker 2>to the position of the College of Cardinals in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>He probably was in he was would have been eighty

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<v Speaker 2>years old or eighty one years old at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>so therefore he was really at the top of his game.

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<v Speaker 2>And did you again, you're coming from from a different

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<v Speaker 2>you know, faith perspective. But as I tell friends of mine,

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<v Speaker 2>I happen to be Roman Catholic, but I'm someone who

553
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<v Speaker 2>is as a television reporter, visited Auschwitz and one Emmy

554
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<v Speaker 2>for my work in Auschwitz in nineteen eighty six, and

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<v Speaker 2>people will say to me, gee, you're not Jewish, how

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<v Speaker 2>come you're so open to Judaism and also very supportive

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<v Speaker 2>of the state of Israel. And I kid with people.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, you know, the guy that founded my

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<v Speaker 2>religion was Jewish and his poser's word as well, and

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of takes the edge off a little a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. So you're pretty progressive, I assume on reform,

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<v Speaker 2>Judaism is probably a pretty progressive brand of Judaism.

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<v Speaker 5>Correct, That's absolutely correct, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And Francis was very I thought, pretty progressive, certainly compared

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<v Speaker 2>to John Paul the Second and some of the prior popes.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a Catholic, you know, I'm I'm a an

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<v Speaker 2>imperfect Catholic. But one of the things that sometimes I think,

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<v Speaker 2>uh that I've had my question with Francis and so

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<v Speaker 2>in his absence to you is I know that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the more progressive groups are talking about immigration

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<v Speaker 2>and immigration is an international issue. There's immigration from Africa

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<v Speaker 2>to Europe, there's immigration from all around the world to

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. As someone who probably is a little

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<v Speaker 2>more conservative, I guess would be the way to describe it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very much in favor of immigration, but legal immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>So any country needs to know who's coming into that

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<v Speaker 2>country and what their purpose is. How do I square

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<v Speaker 2>that with you? And how do I square that with

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<v Speaker 2>my religion, my Catholicism, the philosophy that France has projected.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I a total troglodyte.

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<v Speaker 5>No, Well, first of all, I don't think you're some

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<v Speaker 5>minority on that. I mean, we have to have some

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<v Speaker 5>rules obviously, you know, just open borders is not actually

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<v Speaker 5>a plan. But we have tens of millions of refugees

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<v Speaker 5>and asylum seekers in the world, and we have a

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<v Speaker 5>moral responsibility to them, whether or not they can come

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<v Speaker 5>into the country in which we reside. We are to

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<v Speaker 5>treat them with not just dignity. But the Bible commands us,

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<v Speaker 5>more than any other commandment, to love the gear the stranger,

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<v Speaker 5>to love that one who's not like you, maybe doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>share a language, maybe not even the same faith. But

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Pope Francis was really about the dignity of

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<v Speaker 5>every human being, and in that there's just that's not

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<v Speaker 5>a political issue, it's a core religious commitment. And I

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<v Speaker 5>have to say, you know, he started his career in Argentina,

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<v Speaker 5>and he was so close to a number of rabbis

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<v Speaker 5>that were really my teachers. So he was somebody who

598
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<v Speaker 5>had been a part of the Jewish community. He knew rabbis,

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<v Speaker 5>they had worked together on behalf of social justice, the

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<v Speaker 5>more fair, more equitable society. So when he came into

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<v Speaker 5>the papacy, he already brought those relationships and it was

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<v Speaker 5>very comfortable for him to talk about the issues that

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<v Speaker 5>were burning in our community. And you know, I remember

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<v Speaker 5>when he was asked about, you know, his policy towards

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<v Speaker 5>the LGBTQ community within the church, and he said, who

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<v Speaker 5>am I to judge? And you know what, he's the pope.

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<v Speaker 5>Wouldn't that be the role of a pope if he

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to. But his you know, humanity, he saw every

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<v Speaker 5>person individually and gave each person, you know, his full

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<v Speaker 5>heart and attention. And I think he modeled for all

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<v Speaker 5>of us what faith could be. And there are a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of people in the world who don't have faith,

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<v Speaker 5>but for many of them, not just for the Catholics

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<v Speaker 5>with you know, within the one point three or one

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<v Speaker 5>point four billion Catholics, there are so many people who

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<v Speaker 5>just heard his voice and said, that's the voice of

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<v Speaker 5>a religious leader. That's the voice that speaks about the

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<v Speaker 5>dignity the humanity, and always from a place of kindness

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<v Speaker 5>and love. I mean, if that's not the real deal,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I understand that between you and me, I'm more

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<v Speaker 2>of a John. Paul's the second guy because he stood

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<v Speaker 2>up against the Nazis and the Communists in the face

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<v Speaker 2>of real physical danger at a time when the world

625
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<v Speaker 2>was burning. But I certainly appreciate your reflections tonight. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's great when two of the great religions in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do think religions are so important can work

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<v Speaker 2>together as you and the Pope did. So thanks so

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<v Speaker 2>much for enlightening us about reform Judaism. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>folks can probably find you and find a website and

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps get in touch with you if they're so inclined.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, it's been a pleasure, and thank you for telling

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<v Speaker 5>this story. And yes, on Paul, what an extraordinary leader.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not about you know this one was good, in

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<v Speaker 5>this one not. They have moved so beautifully into a

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<v Speaker 5>new chapter of interfaith cooperation and that's what we need

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<v Speaker 5>more of in this world than I thank you for

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<v Speaker 5>all that you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Very important. Right back at your Rabbi Rick Jacobs, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much. The president of the Union for Reform Judaism,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Revi, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back, we are going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the return of college Republicans at Harvard University. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a front page Globe magazine piece earlier this month,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to talk with the author, Adelaide Parker.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a Harvard junior and very very interesting young woman,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll be back with her and looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>your phone calls as well. Right after the nine o'clock

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