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Speaker 2: at six thirty dek Friday with interest. It's Dave Hatter.
Speaker 2: People are being committed with jet or chat, GPT psychosis. Well,
Speaker 2: we're all going to learn something new today on that one.
Speaker 2: Kroger scanning your ID when you buy alcohol. Why, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a new process at Kroger. Bought a twelve pack
Speaker 2: of beer the other day and they well actually they've
Speaker 2: been doing it for a couple of weeks now scanning
Speaker 2: your driver's license, which was kind of funny because there's
Speaker 2: a liquor store inside of Kroger where we shop and
Speaker 2: for it was at one time I made a liquor
Speaker 2: purchase at the liquor store. They didn't card me, And
Speaker 2: then when we got our groceries, we went up to
Speaker 2: the front, and then I had the beer in the
Speaker 2: cart and they card me for the beer and even
Speaker 2: asked the question, wait a second, they didn't card anybody
Speaker 2: in the liquor store. How come you're carding me at
Speaker 2: the front. Apparently now they're carding the at the liquor
Speaker 2: store as well. Why. I mean, you clearly are over
Speaker 2: the age of twenty one. Seeing them card some people
Speaker 2: that you know, my mom's age, it always seems so ridiculous,
Speaker 2: and you know, you can't take it out on the
Speaker 2: person asking for the ID. It's like they didn't write
Speaker 2: the rules, they just have to enforce them. I always
Speaker 2: thought it was really dumb that the people under the
Speaker 2: age of twenty one who are working the checkout aren't
Speaker 2: allowed to scan your liquor in either. They got to
Speaker 2: go to the guy next door who's over the age
Speaker 2: of twenty one to scan it. So okay, anyway, I
Speaker 2: don't make the rules, man, I just think them up
Speaker 2: and write them down. And finally with Dave had he
Speaker 2: don't connect artificial intelligence to your vending machine, Guy, Joe, Joe,
Speaker 2: disconnect your vending machine from artificial intelligence. Bring mccollan, our
Speaker 2: energy expert, Charge Conversations. Bring mcowen's podcast, check that one
Speaker 2: out from the Hudson Institute. He's going to be in
Speaker 2: studio as he is inclined to do for a full
Speaker 2: hour seven o five would bring him. We got lots
Speaker 2: of different things to talk about him, including the revocation
Speaker 2: of the alleged carbon dioxide emergency declaration. There, we got
Speaker 2: a new sheriff in town with the Trump administration, and
Speaker 2: they're taking away the whole notion that CO two has
Speaker 2: any connection with That is, basically, it's not a pollutant,
Speaker 2: and there's solid scientific evidence to confirm that. I can
Speaker 2: dive on into that a little bit later to the program.
Speaker 2: So if we stop regulating carbon dioxide, which is fine,
Speaker 2: then you and I get a lot of control over
Speaker 2: our lives back. Certainly, this global warming hysteria climate change
Speaker 2: hysteria has provided a government a great mechanism to intrude
Speaker 2: into literally every aspect of our day to day lives.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe we see a refreshing, welcome change in
Speaker 2: front of us here on that one. Bring them. I'm
Speaker 2: certain we'll comment on that. Bill Sites on property Taxes. Yes,
Speaker 2: he is on the committee created by Governor de Wine
Speaker 2: in the aftermath of the veto of the the tax provisions,
Speaker 2: the property tax relief that was in the budget. Man,
Speaker 2: we can't have that line item them right out and here,
Speaker 2: start a new plan, get a new working group together,
Speaker 2: put Bill Sites in charge, and we'll see what they
Speaker 2: come up with. In spite of the fact that a
Speaker 2: year's worth of effort and work and looking into how
Speaker 2: to get us property tax relief had already been done anyhow,
Speaker 2: eight oh five for that one five, one, three, seven,
Speaker 2: four nine fifty five hundred, eight hundred eighty two to
Speaker 2: three talk pound five fifty on AT and T phone,
Speaker 2: still making national news the city of Cincinnati, although not
Speaker 2: on several different networks. There was a Fox News reporting
Speaker 2: on this, and I thought it rather comical. Media Research
Speaker 2: Councils NewsBusters took a look at ABC, CBS and NBC
Speaker 2: and these various programs there ut are that they have
Speaker 2: since the vile Cincinnati assault and found no coverage of
Speaker 2: the event through yes or through Wednesday of this week.
Speaker 2: Nothing didn't even mention it, and it's noted and a
Speaker 2: lot of people have been made this this parallel, this
Speaker 2: sort of analysis. If it was a group of white
Speaker 2: people beating down a group of a couple of innocent
Speaker 2: obviously without a mechanism or means to defend themselves black people,
Speaker 2: this would have resulted in immediate riots in the street,
Speaker 2: organized protests, condemnation protests from every single mayor and every
Speaker 2: elected official across this great land of ours talking about
Speaker 2: how vile and inexcusable this is. And that suggestion is
Speaker 2: that that's the point, because it wasn't white on black crime,
Speaker 2: that NBC, ABC and CBS didn't touch it with a
Speaker 2: ten foot poll because the optics look bad, something several
Speaker 2: of my black listeners have pointed out, Yes, it makes
Speaker 2: my community look bad, and yeah, I mean people tend
Speaker 2: to pay with a broad brush. So there you have it,
Speaker 2: but still making national news. And of course Victoria Park's
Speaker 2: a big lightning rod nationally because she said that those
Speaker 2: poor people deserve the beatdown apparently sticking with her argument,
Speaker 2: and let us analyze the failure and fallacy of Victoria
Speaker 2: Parks analysis of her comment relative to the rights of
Speaker 2: free speech. So those folks deserved a beatdown, that's basically
Speaker 2: what she said. Now, can you extend the violence against
Speaker 2: those people based upon anything that might have started the
Speaker 2: original fight? And that's where she fails in her analysis.
Speaker 2: In this country, she said, we have freedom of speech. However,
Speaker 2: you may not run into a crowded theater and scream fire.
Speaker 2: He was in a crowded theater and screamed fire. There
Speaker 2: are unintended consequences, but that's what happened. I think she
Speaker 2: is referring to is the guy that got the crap
Speaker 2: beat out of him by the angry mob. Now it's
Speaker 2: been suggested that he's initiated the whole thing by me
Speaker 2: be using the N word. I haven't heard any definitive
Speaker 2: proof of that, but I do believe that some believe
Speaker 2: that's how it got started. I know there was a slap.
Speaker 2: Whether that slap was the first physical connection between the
Speaker 2: two that the fight started between, or maybe he got
Speaker 2: hit prior to the slap, don't know, but it was
Speaker 2: two people obviously engage in a bit of a controversy
Speaker 2: which exploded. Park said, it's a metaphor. Regarding the analogy
Speaker 2: in a crowded theater, I'm just going to let people
Speaker 2: draw their own conclusion. That's my statement, obviously not retracting
Speaker 2: her idea they deserve to beat down. Now started from
Speaker 2: the proposition you can't screen fire in a crowded room.
Speaker 2: Why is that analogy used? It's from a Supreme Court
Speaker 2: case from a long time ago. Fine. The reason is
Speaker 2: because there may be not an opportunity for others to
Speaker 2: step up and say no, there is no fire. You
Speaker 2: get an immediate reaction from a crowd that might result
Speaker 2: in chaos, with folks stampeding for the door, which could
Speaker 2: result in harm or injury. Unintended. It may be, But
Speaker 2: if someone were to screen fire in a crowded room
Speaker 2: and you reached over and hauled off and punched the
Speaker 2: living crap out of the person right next to you,
Speaker 2: a it doesn't excuse the person who lied and said
Speaker 2: there's fire here, causing perhaps a panic, but you would
Speaker 2: be prosecuted for battery and assault for punching the person
Speaker 2: next to you merely because someone utters a word that
Speaker 2: maybe isn't protected speech does not give you the legal
Speaker 2: right to start committing violence and crimes of your own,
Speaker 2: which is exactly what happened. So maybe the guy did
Speaker 2: say something bad untoward, Maybe he deserved to get punched
Speaker 2: by the guy he was talking to. Let those two
Speaker 2: work it out between themselves. That doesn't allow a crowd
Speaker 2: of people to start committing independent crimes of their own
Speaker 2: merely because someone said something offensive. Does not give you
Speaker 2: the right to break the law and hurt other people.
Speaker 2: And she fails the factor into this. They deserved a
Speaker 2: beat down was her original comment, which drew controversy because
Speaker 2: while you can maybe make an argument the guy deserved
Speaker 2: it because of something he said, which I'm sitting here
Speaker 2: telling you, no, you can't. But one of the poor
Speaker 2: woman who seemed to be merely rendering aid and got
Speaker 2: smacked cole cocked in the face with a closed fist punch,
Speaker 2: resulting in substantial injuries, did she deserve that beat down?
Speaker 2: Victoria Parks, was she involved in the initial confrontation between
Speaker 2: the two guys where this thing sort of seemed to
Speaker 2: have started, seemed to have I think the answer is
Speaker 2: quite clearly no. This is embarrassing, she's embarrassing, well, most notably,
Speaker 2: she's embarrassment to herself. This is an elected official in
Speaker 2: the city of Cincinnati, you know. I mean I always
Speaker 2: laugh at the guy, the representative that thought Guam was
Speaker 2: going to capsize, he would put more buildings on it,
Speaker 2: you know. And how embarrassing is that. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: just reflective of just an absolute ignorance of so many
Speaker 2: different things. And you know, it's like, there's that guy.
Speaker 2: He's from that state. Thank god, he's not one of ours.
Speaker 2: We don't elect idiots like that. Well, sorry, Cincinnati, you
Speaker 2: can't say that. And we have an illustration of what's
Speaker 2: going to happen in downtown Cincinnati real time, something that
Speaker 2: Sarah Herringer's talked about yesterday on the fifty five KARS
Speaker 2: Morning Show. She no no longer lives in Over the Rhine.
Speaker 2: Their business had been broken into before her husband got
Speaker 2: murdered in their home. She had mentioned yesterday She's in
Speaker 2: studio for an hour talking about the ordeal in downtown Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: looking for ways to better this, come up with solutions,
Speaker 2: bring more information to people's attention, asking for follow up
Speaker 2: on all these non governmental organizations that are getting your
Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars in the city who are supposed to go
Speaker 2: out into the world and come up with solutions. Does
Speaker 2: anybody follow up on that and report on whether that
Speaker 2: NGO or that outside organization actually has made any progress.
Speaker 2: The answer apparently is no, because she's looked for it,
Speaker 2: there is no follow up. But what she did live
Speaker 2: and her late husband lived in real time was the
Speaker 2: fact that they had they were victims of break ins burglaries,
Speaker 2: arson And there's only so much you can put up
Speaker 2: with when you're a business owner in downtown CINCINNTI or
Speaker 2: a resident, I might add. She mentioned a bar that
Speaker 2: closed because it had been broken into so many times.
Speaker 2: You can't. I mean, the profit margins aren't big anyway,
Speaker 2: but you know you just like at one point say sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm just I can't put up with this anymore. Well,
Speaker 2: we got another business you can add to the list
Speaker 2: of folks who've already made that decision. Talk about that
Speaker 2: coming up. I got Todd on the phone top. If
Speaker 2: you don't mind holding, I'll take your call first. Got
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Speaker 2: T phones. Caller decided not to hold over the break.
Speaker 2: You can feel free to call. But uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it was kind of interesting because Jason Williams from the Inquirre,
Speaker 2: in the aftermath of the brawl and the beatdown, UH
Speaker 2: had these observations, What I care about us is not
Speaker 2: becoming viewed like New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle,
Speaker 2: in the other places where city government has pushed public
Speaker 2: safety way down on the priority list. Perception is critical.
Speaker 2: Perception drives decisions on events, which brings tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of visitors annually from the suburbs and hundreds of miles away.
Speaker 2: Perception helps drive a company's decision to relocate, which can
Speaker 2: draw employees from around the globe. Perception drives population growth,
Speaker 2: and he wrote, I feel more horror incidents will erode
Speaker 2: perception a point where events and companies and visitors and
Speaker 2: prospective residents decide to stay away. What if that happens.
Speaker 2: Not trying to be an alarmist, but it's something any
Speaker 2: caring and competence city leaders should be asking. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: this is a problem that's been building. As we talked
Speaker 2: about yesterday with Sarah Herringer, our numbers have been down
Speaker 2: to this insin police force and aren't enough officers to
Speaker 2: go around. They're desperately trying to get lateral hires to
Speaker 2: fill the ranks that have been down for a long time.
Speaker 2: City government failed to get ahead of the matter by
Speaker 2: staying on top of it and keeping a full contingent
Speaker 2: of police officers, maybe not funding other areas of government
Speaker 2: in favor of maintaining law enforcement levels to keep us
Speaker 2: all at least with the perception of safety. And of course,
Speaker 2: again Sarah Herringer yesterday talking about the violence that she,
Speaker 2: her husband, the residents of over the Ryan experience on
Speaker 2: a regular basis. Here's a real life illustration of what
Speaker 2: happens when you don't take care of law enforcement. We
Speaker 2: got a logistics firm near downtown Cincinnati now relocating to
Speaker 2: Blue Ash after well the violence in and around the
Speaker 2: city over the recent weeks since I inquire Randy Tucker
Speaker 2: reporting that Victor Lewis, founder and CEO of One Logistics Network,
Speaker 2: set in an interview with The Inquire that the July
Speaker 2: twenty sixth incident was in d day factor. I guess
Speaker 2: last straw in his decision to move the logistic company
Speaker 2: out of downtown Cincinnati and over to apparently the more
Speaker 2: safe Blue Ash community. He said he'd been contemplating this
Speaker 2: move for months, just signed a lease for new office
Speaker 2: spase near Summit Park and Blue Ash. We're out, he said.
Speaker 2: Nothing is going to change until businesses start drawing a
Speaker 2: line and saying no more, this ain't happening. July twenty
Speaker 2: sixth incident reaffirmed his decision to relocate. Also, he cited
Speaker 2: previous incidents, including the July fifth shooting at the Banks
Speaker 2: near Smell Park injuring three people, and a recent stabbing
Speaker 2: of the guy near Third and Broadway Streets in downtown.
Speaker 2: He also wrote an open letter to city officials criticizing
Speaker 2: what he described as quote a decline in the liveability
Speaker 2: and professionalism of the downtown area, which he wrote quotes
Speaker 2: stem from a failure in leadership and a lack of
Speaker 2: effective city management. He said, I understand the are complex
Speaker 2: issues at play, But I have employees who are freaking out.
Speaker 2: This just isn't a place where we feel safe doing business.
Speaker 2: Apparently he's going to continue operating from his Queen's Gate
Speaker 2: headquarters for the next several months, but he is trying
Speaker 2: to fast track the company's move quote. Cincinnati needs leadership
Speaker 2: that is ready to refocus on the foundational responsibilities that
Speaker 2: once made this city thrive. And until that happens, I
Speaker 2: will be relocating my business along with the jobs and
Speaker 2: investment and brings to a more supportive environment. Well there's that,
Speaker 2: isn't it. And do you think he's the only individual
Speaker 2: who is thinking along these lines. Sarah suggests that people
Speaker 2: are moving out of Over the Rhine. I'm just kind
Speaker 2: of curious what property values has been impacted by this.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can do is zilo search
Speaker 2: and find what the current valuation is for any given
Speaker 2: urban hipster rehabbed apartment building that they were spent so
Speaker 2: many years trying to create and develop and almost very
Speaker 2: successfully so, only to be undermined by the deterioration of
Speaker 2: the conditions in the city of Cincinnati. Over the Rhine
Speaker 2: a hotbed of criminal activity. One of the areas that's
Speaker 2: reported a substantial increase in criminal activity. If you're a
Speaker 2: would be urban hipster contemplating a move, what do you think.
Speaker 2: Obviously not, something's going to steer you in the direction
Speaker 2: of pulling the trigger and saying, Yep, I want the
Speaker 2: living walking community. I want to be able to walk here,
Speaker 2: walk there, take the street car to my job. All
Speaker 2: sounds wonderful until you realize you got to be out
Speaker 2: in the world, in and among people who might want
Speaker 2: to just give you a beat down for no reason. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a sad state of affairs. Hate to see it.
Speaker 2: I'm one of those folks that dearly loves the city
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. I've commented many times over the years, how
Speaker 2: much better the quality of life my wife and I
Speaker 2: have having moved back from Chicago to Cincinnati coming up
Speaker 2: I guess thirty years now, and I never regret that decision.
Speaker 2: But am I more inclined to go downtown and participate
Speaker 2: in activities and maybe go to the Brady Center and
Speaker 2: see a concert again, or maybe go to one of
Speaker 2: the wonderful downtown Cincinnati restaurants? Uh huh. I'm usually not
Speaker 2: that guy who's I hate city. Since I used to
Speaker 2: laugh at people. When to worked at Anthem in the
Speaker 2: legal department, I had one woman say, I never ever
Speaker 2: going downtown. It's dangerous, And those are the days I
Speaker 2: used to defend going downtown saying listen, I talked to
Speaker 2: the police enough. I used to have Chief Tom Straker
Speaker 2: on the Show with the Cops show every Friday, and
Speaker 2: it was the same repeated over and over and over again. Point,
Speaker 2: which is, if you're not involved in drug activity or
Speaker 2: criminal activity, you're safe in downtown Cincinnati. The likelihood of
Speaker 2: you being a victim of a crime, if you're not
Speaker 2: involved in criminal activity, most notably drugs, it's slim to none.
Speaker 2: You know, you can say that anymore about twenty six
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Speaker 2: their trip to my daughter's wedding after hearing about quote
Speaker 2: how dangerous our city is. How many stories out there
Speaker 2: mirror those of Maren's Tom, Welcome to the show, Happy Friday,
Speaker 2: my friend, Hey.
Speaker 4: Good morning. And I get the first I heard of
Speaker 4: your your daughter's getting married, So I gets congratulations.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and all that.
Speaker 2: Next June, next next June.
Speaker 4: So it's almost a year away. And and and that means
Speaker 4: you know what's coming, uh, not too long after that,
Speaker 4: maybe a couple of years would be grand kids.
Speaker 2: I'll take them. I'd love to have a grandchild.
Speaker 4: They are they are. The grandkids are great. It's their
Speaker 4: parents that are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're babysitters of the grand puppy almost on
Speaker 2: a daily basis, because her fiance works for Fast and
Speaker 2: Pro and they're in Loveland, and so he drops uh
Speaker 2: Dahlia off into the I mean extreme joy of our
Speaker 2: dog Liam. They love hanging out with each other, and
Speaker 2: anytime Dahlia isn't dropped off to be babysad, my dark
Speaker 2: dog gets depressed. He's kind of mopes around the house.
Speaker 2: It's like, where dold you?
Speaker 4: So, yeah, that's the dog we heard on the deep Dive.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, cool.
Speaker 4: You just you just stuck your arm out, pointed, well, that's.
Speaker 2: What my wife had just walked into the room. She
Speaker 2: was standing off camera, and I was pointing at the
Speaker 2: dog for her to go out, exactly what I was
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just yeah. My daughter brought our grandpap over.
Speaker 4: I told you this his first year or so, it
Speaker 4: was one. He grew up in our house, so we're
Speaker 4: grandma and granddad and he got to come over and
Speaker 4: play ball with Granddad. It's been a while, so he
Speaker 4: loved it.
Speaker 2: So some day, hopefully, hopefully I listened.
Speaker 4: I listened to your uh, your interview with Sarah Herringer. Uh,
Speaker 4: yesterday I got to get on the podcast to listen
Speaker 4: to him. Wow, that's some that's some powerful stuff. I
Speaker 4: know that's not the first time you've talked to her,
Speaker 4: but uh, that's the first time I've been able to
Speaker 4: sit and listen to a whole thing and and uh,
Speaker 4: incredible story and uh and hoping that that the shining
Speaker 4: the light on this, uh, this particular incident, and then
Speaker 4: her continuing on and her her quest to get some
Speaker 4: changes made does something. Uh, And there's a couple of
Speaker 4: things that came out of it that that really struck me. Obviously,
Speaker 4: we all know that there is definitely a need for
Speaker 4: a deterreenty downtown and really anywhere in your family, on
Speaker 4: a job site, uh, in a in a town or
Speaker 4: a city, country, there has to be a deterrent. There
Speaker 4: has to be something in place where where people who
Speaker 4: are who are prone to commit crimes go. Maybe I'd
Speaker 4: better not do that. That's that's because I'm not I
Speaker 4: don't want to go to that. There's gotta be something
Speaker 4: like that. And clearly there has been a push over
Speaker 4: the last tower many years to get rid of the deterrent,
Speaker 4: and it's intentional.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I absolutely believe that the the other thing that stood
Speaker 4: out that she said is that you're dealing with people
Speaker 4: who don't think like you do, people who think, you
Speaker 4: know what, hey, let's get together and let's go beat
Speaker 4: some people up. That's not normal thinking. That's that's that's
Speaker 4: just that's crazy. Just to think that that's a thing
Speaker 4: to do. I mean, that's that's not even adolescent childish.
Speaker 4: That's just flat out evil. And you know, let's break
Speaker 4: into this. You know, all people are so what I
Speaker 4: want their stuff, I'm gonna take it. And and and
Speaker 4: part of the reason why that is allowed to happen
Speaker 4: is because you have people like that being that councilwoman,
Speaker 4: same crap, like that, excuse me, woman, that's just flat
Speaker 4: out wrong what you're saying that there is no excuse
Speaker 4: for that kind of behavior. And when when you have
Speaker 4: people who stand up to are allegedly city leaders who
Speaker 4: stand up and say something like that, what do you
Speaker 4: think the criminals, Oh, well, she's right, maybe we ought
Speaker 4: to just stop doing it. Now they feel even even
Speaker 4: more embolded. So we're we're electing people who allow this
Speaker 4: kind of behavior, and and in fact, they incentivize it.
Speaker 4: That's it, and that's we got to stop doing that people.
Speaker 4: We have got to stop electing people. And unfortunately, there
Speaker 4: is a political party that embraces this kind of behavior.
Speaker 4: It allows for it allows it to festor and makes
Speaker 4: it worse. And that's the Democrat Party. Don't vote Democrat.
Speaker 4: I have a great weekend, Broan.
Speaker 2: You do the same. I was really impressed by Sarah
Speaker 2: Herringer's ability to just stay away from politics. I don't
Speaker 2: even know what her politics. Are, very reluctant to criticize
Speaker 2: any particular single person or political party. But really, you mean,
Speaker 2: when you step back from what we were talking about
Speaker 2: together yesterday, the lack of law enforcement, the lack of
Speaker 2: police presence, the insufficient numbers of officers that are even
Speaker 2: police officers, perhaps the failure of elected officials to engage
Speaker 2: in appropriate allocation of these scarce resources, and one merely
Speaker 2: steps back and well, who's making these decisions, who's responsible
Speaker 2: for the selection of the police chief? And the Democrats.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't have anybody to point to but Democrats.
Speaker 2: It's an all one percent Democrat administration in the city
Speaker 2: of Cincinnti's been dominated by and contro rold by Democrats
Speaker 2: now for a long long time. So to the extent
Speaker 2: you're going to point a finger at a political party
Speaker 2: or some group of individuals. You've got a long history
Speaker 2: of Democrats having controlled the city of Cincinnati, so I
Speaker 2: got to conclude that maybe it is in balls in
Speaker 2: their court. Five thirty five. Right now, if you have
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Speaker 2: Your phone calls are priority over stack of stupid. I'm
Speaker 2: go either way, but we'll start with Bobby right when
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Speaker 9: Can you play John the Fisherman's Yes.
Speaker 2: My friend Jeffrey is happy about that. I was gett
Speaker 2: an instant message from him, looking forward to this time
Speaker 2: of the day. He liked Joe a private stand.
Speaker 10: Why the phone number five three seven.
Speaker 2: Eight two three Tako Ton five fifty on eighteen to
Speaker 2: T phone. Do you want to chime in on a
Speaker 2: topic I'm talking about this morning or another one? Feel free?
Speaker 2: Bobby is on the phone. Bobby, thanks for holding in.
Speaker 11: Welcome back my friend, Thank you, my brother, and happy
Speaker 11: Friday to you.
Speaker 2: Right back at you Love my Friday.
Speaker 11: We have a great Spanish influenced community around Cincinnati, and
Speaker 11: I was out shopping yesterday and found something. It was
Speaker 11: really nice. But they do custom pinatas Victoria Parks pinata.
Speaker 11: I'm just wondering where to hang three or four of
Speaker 11: the MAT's fountain square down by the city Hall.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Is that stepping over the line? Yes?
Speaker 12: That just comical.
Speaker 2: Yes, because Victoria Parks is a black woman, and if
Speaker 2: you use the word in context with anyone of any
Speaker 2: black person, then you're going to be accused immediately of racism.
Speaker 2: So let's steer clear of that concept. Bobby, What could
Speaker 2: I do with the piata?
Speaker 12: Then?
Speaker 2: Well, enjoying a chair or something, lay it down and
Speaker 2: beat the crap out of it if you want. But
Speaker 2: I still say you're going to subject yourself to perhaps
Speaker 2: accusations of racism, even though your abuse of a pinata
Speaker 2: in the form of the Victoria Parks model has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with the color of her skin, has everything
Speaker 2: to do with her insane comments suggesting that those poor
Speaker 2: people deserved a beating. Or maybe you just want the
Speaker 2: candy inside, as Joe observed. Either way, understand where you're
Speaker 2: coming from. Your anger and frustration is duly noted. Bobby, Faith, family, flag,
Speaker 2: and freedom. Take care of my friend of a great weekend. Hey, hell,
Speaker 2: let's go to the Stacker. Stupid Let's start off with
Speaker 2: a naked person because it is Friday, Stacker stupid, and
Speaker 2: why not. We'll putting aside the female tea. Every week,
Speaker 2: Joe's pulling out articles for the stack of stupid involving
Speaker 2: female quite often very active female teachers who find the
Speaker 2: need to have sex with young children. God, the world
Speaker 2: has just flipped upside down. But we'll move over to
Speaker 2: the naked guy first found naked inside amen Naked inside
Speaker 2: the Minnesota State Capitol Friday night, a man had used
Speaker 2: a wooden wedge to prop a door open in order
Speaker 2: to gain access after hours. According to charging documents. The
Speaker 2: records show that Dominic Terrell Peace, thirty six years old,
Speaker 2: charge of one kind of second degree burglar and connection
Speaker 2: with the trespassing arrests, also wanted to Wisconsin for violating
Speaker 2: terms of his probation, and a warrant was filed for
Speaker 2: his extradition.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: According to the criminal complaint filed earlier this week in
Speaker 2: Ramsey County and Minnesota Capital Security notified of Minnesota State
Speaker 2: patroled by eleven fifteen pm about an emotionally disturbed person
Speaker 2: naked inside the Senate chambers throughout his encounter with the
Speaker 2: security guard. In the state troopers, Peace made various claims,
Speaker 2: including that he was the governor and that the capital
Speaker 2: was in fact his house. Told a state trooper that
Speaker 2: he sleeps naked in his own house, I guess. Addressing
Speaker 2: the issue of why he was naked inside the capitol,
Speaker 2: investigators found a set of clothes in a woman's bathroom,
Speaker 2: standing water on the floors on the floor, suggesting he
Speaker 2: may have taken a bath there. Review of the surveillance
Speaker 2: footage show piece gone inside the building around two pm Friday,
Speaker 2: open to the public at the time, used a wedge
Speaker 2: to prop an exterior mechanical room door. Returned at quarter
Speaker 2: to ten in the evening, entered the building and went
Speaker 2: inside the women's bathroom for about forty minutes before going
Speaker 2: up to the second floor. State patrol said Peace was
Speaker 2: taking a regional hospital for mental health evaluation and then
Speaker 2: was released. After the first encounter. He reappeared in the
Speaker 2: capitol grounds two more times, on Saturday seven thirty am
Speaker 2: and then again at seven thirty pm, with another trip
Speaker 2: to regions in between. He was arrested upon the third encounter.
Speaker 2: All the while Peace had this arrest warret in Wisconsin
Speaker 2: for falling to show up in court. That warrant authorized
Speaker 2: law enforcement in adjoining states to arrest Peace, but when
Speaker 2: officers first searched him in the system, the warrant read
Speaker 2: no extradition in state pickup only. Since that warrant wassitioned
Speaker 2: in February, Local Law News found that Peace had been
Speaker 2: cited by police at least five times for minor offenses,
Speaker 2: including an arrest last week at a target in Saint
Speaker 2: Paul for reported theft. Police said Wisconsin, Warren appeared as
Speaker 2: non extraditable when they arrested him on July twenty second.
Speaker 2: He also has pending competency evaluation on a felony matter
Speaker 2: vehicle theft case in Ramsey County. He scheduled reappear in
Speaker 2: court and being held out a twenty five thousand dollars bond.
Speaker 2: Still not as crazy as Governor Waltz, Joe, is that?
Speaker 13: Well?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I suppose you're right. I don't know how
Speaker 2: Governor Waltz immediately popped in your mind, but I suppose
Speaker 2: the word crazy might necessarily move immediately to a thought
Speaker 2: of Governor walt since he is demonstrably crazy. I know
Speaker 2: he's the governor of Minnesota. Five fifty five. Don't go
Speaker 2: away more stupid or phone calls. Either way you want
Speaker 2: to go, be right back.
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Speaker 14: We are.
Speaker 2: Five forty nine to give out pair SEP Fox Station Tech.
Speaker 2: Part of a Dave Hatter first topic chat GPT psychosis
Speaker 2: when she says some people are being committed following a
Speaker 2: diagnosis for chat GPT psychosis and see what that's all
Speaker 2: about coming up with Dave Hatter. Anyway, back over to
Speaker 2: the stack of stupid and naked guy. A's this tradition
Speaker 2: and we go to Hong Kong for this One forty
Speaker 2: nine year old man found dead inside a residential unit
Speaker 2: with his nude body surrounded by sex toys. Police got
Speaker 2: a report about three am from a security guard at
Speaker 2: the Wing Fat mansion. He had noticed that the door
Speaker 2: of the unit was left for jess during his patrol,
Speaker 2: noted a strange odor emanating from the flat. Officers discovered
Speaker 2: a man surnamed Choo, lying naked on the bed with
Speaker 2: blood around his nostrils. Pronounced dead at the scene, Mortuary
Speaker 2: workers removed the man's body the following day from the unit.
Speaker 2: Pulmonary autopsy results showed no obvious bruises on the man. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: police sees multiple pieces of evidence from the premises, including
Speaker 2: sex toys and lubricants packaged in transparent plastic bags that
Speaker 2: filled an entire box. No doubt, case has been classified
Speaker 2: as a discovery of a dead body under investigation by
Speaker 2: the Yao Sim District Crime Squad. Does it make you
Speaker 2: curious about the cause of death, Joe, You're not going there,
Speaker 2: huh Okay. Apprentice, Mississippi, where authorities arrested a Boonville man
Speaker 2: following a public nudity incident at Fossil Park in Frankstown,
Speaker 2: which also led to drug charges. Court to Apprentice County
Speaker 2: Sheriff's department to call about a naked guy at a
Speaker 2: park in the morning of July twenty fifth, prompted a
Speaker 2: response from Sheriff Randy Toller. He arrested fifty seven year
Speaker 2: old Donald Ritchie Hatfield on charges of indecent exposure. In
Speaker 2: search of his vehicle by Sheriff Tolar and Deputy Colby
Speaker 2: Knight revealed a felony amount of hydra codon and a
Speaker 2: small quantity of math amphetamine. According to charges, may follow
Speaker 2: a pending results of the crime lab analysis. Hatfield appear
Speaker 2: before Justice Roy Hall set has bought at five grand
Speaker 2: Department of Corrections also placed a hold on him. North
Speaker 2: Mississippi Narcotics Agent's Grady Smith expected to present a case
Speaker 2: to the grand jury for further consideration. Drugs are bad
Speaker 2: and what is it with female teachers molesting young people?
Speaker 2: Former Saint James High School special education teacher accused of
Speaker 2: several sex crimes against a student, plead guilty the lester charges.
Speaker 2: October twenty third, last year, prosecutors charged Ricky Lynn Waughlin
Speaker 2: with felony count's possession of child porn, tamper or attempt
Speaker 2: to tamper with a victim, and a felony prosecution statutory
Speaker 2: rape second degree, sexual exploitation of a minor, tampering with
Speaker 2: physical evidence, and a felony prosecution furnacing pornographic material to
Speaker 2: a minor, and sexual trafficking of a child second degree
Speaker 2: under the age of eighteen. Pleaded guilty to endangering the
Speaker 2: welfare of a child and creating substantial risk first degree
Speaker 2: first defense no sexual conduct that was her plea agreement.
Speaker 2: Twenty fourth of this month, got five years probation. Investigation
Speaker 2: said she had been sending pornographic videos of herself to
Speaker 2: a sixteen year old student. bestI Gadda said the boy
Speaker 2: who told him Laughlin had been sending him nude photos
Speaker 2: on Snapchat, and it also tried to pressure him into
Speaker 2: having sex, you know. And again I turned to the
Speaker 2: mugshot photograph. I mean, she's just a seemingly very attractive
Speaker 2: young woman. What is with it? Idiots doing idiot things
Speaker 2: because they're idiots. Yeah, and welcome to the world again,
Speaker 2: to social media. I love pointing this out. It's out
Speaker 2: there in the ether. You created it, someone's gonna find
Speaker 2: it or see it, or as in the case with
Speaker 2: this one and so many other cases, the person you
Speaker 2: are molesting or trying to molest under the age of eighteen,
Speaker 2: not consenting adult. It's gonna tell somebody you're out there.
Speaker 2: I know you're out there. What somebody in my listening
Speaker 2: audience is doing this or thinking about doing this? Heed
Speaker 2: my words? Idiots, you moron, And we go to uh,
Speaker 2: let's see here dayline Louisville, Kentucky. But it's a former
Speaker 2: Southern Indiana high school counselor been sentenced for having sexual
Speaker 2: relationships as with a student. Brittany Eisner pleaded guilty to
Speaker 2: child seduction and contributing the delinquency of a minor Early
Speaker 2: on the month. Court document show the former Floyd Central
Speaker 2: High School counselor had sexual contact with a students several
Speaker 2: times and gave the student alcohol as well as vaping products.
Speaker 2: Fired October last year for neglect of duty and immorality
Speaker 2: after an invest district investigation found her, in their words,
Speaker 2: unfit to supervise students. During the sentencing hearing Circuit court Monday,
Speaker 2: Eisner ordered to serve two years in the Indiana Apartment
Speaker 2: of Corrections for two counts of child seduction sentences running Concurrently,
Speaker 2: she received a one year suspended sentence upon strict terms
Speaker 2: of probation for contributing the delinquency of a minor. Also
Speaker 2: ordered to have no contact with a victim and has
Speaker 2: to register as a sex offender. Beyond that, court records
Speaker 2: indicates she is still facing child seduction charges in Floyd County.
Speaker 2: Floyd County. Why the world's filled with lonely people, and
Speaker 2: filled with lonely people who are adults. Find one of
Speaker 2: those and have sex with the adult who is capable
Speaker 2: of consent. That is the law. You know. Five fifty
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Speaker 2: and Bill sites on the committee to try to give
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Speaker 2: Got some interesting developments coming out of the Trump administration
Speaker 2: on that rolling back the declaration that CO two is
Speaker 2: actually a pollutant. Yeah, wouldn't that be a wonderful thing
Speaker 2: for freedom and choice and everything else in America. They
Speaker 2: are micromanaging our lives on the back of this climate alarmism,
Speaker 2: and this would be an awesome opportunity to roll back
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Speaker 2: matter coming up in an Now, of course, it's Friday
Speaker 2: to the Bottom of this Hour Tech Friday with Dave Hatter.
Speaker 2: People apparently are being committed what to mental institutions. Apparently
Speaker 2: it's a thing called chat GPT psychosis. Okay, Kroger is
Speaker 2: scanning your IDs when you buy alcohol? Now why, he
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Speaker 2: Bring McCallen again. In studio seven to five. Bill Sitz
Speaker 2: joins a program at eight oh five. He is on
Speaker 2: that Property Tax Board, the committee set up by Governor
Speaker 2: de Wine to try to figure out ways to provide
Speaker 2: us with property tax relief, and I still scratched my
Speaker 2: head over that, since all the work was done last
Speaker 2: year leading up to the bill and the budget bill
Speaker 2: it had some provisions in it for property tax relief,
Speaker 2: which the governor vetoed and then created this separate committee
Speaker 2: with Bill Sites heading it up Bill AT eighth five
Speaker 2: five one three seven fifty eight hundred two three top
Speaker 2: pound five fifty on at and t phone A couple
Speaker 2: of housekeeping matters here last week. Earlier in the week,
Speaker 2: rather Levek Ramaswami, our next Governor, dve Ake, announced that
Speaker 2: he was going to have a town hall with former
Speaker 2: Cincinni Vice Mayor Christopher Smithman fan of the show You're
Speaker 2: out there, Christopher, good morning, my friend. Always love having
Speaker 2: you on the show every week on Mondays. For the
Speaker 2: smith event, he'll be part of this discussion Ramaswami's post.
Speaker 2: We plan to invite city officials, community leaders, and any
Speaker 2: of the victims from the assault who wish to participate.
Speaker 2: When people feel afraid to speak their minds, that's when
Speaker 2: frustration festers and we can't let that happen. Well, the
Speaker 2: date and the time is set. It's Monday, August fourth,
Speaker 2: This coming Monday, five thirty pm at Christopher Smithman's favorite spot,
Speaker 2: Jim and Jackson the River. So we got Leeveke Ramaswami
Speaker 2: and Christopher Smithman and you if you choose to be
Speaker 2: there for the purpose of addressing crime concerns, most notably
Speaker 2: after the craziness that happened early Saturday morning. So five
Speaker 2: point thirty Monday, Jim and Jackson the River, and good
Speaker 2: morning the folks at Jim and Jacks You've had listener
Speaker 2: lunch there quite a few times. They enjoy our company,
Speaker 2: We enjoy their service and their food and their hospitality.
Speaker 2: So we'll get back to Jim and Jackson. In fact,
Speaker 2: we'll be doing that in October. October's listener lunch at
Speaker 2: Jim and Jackson the River. We try to have that
Speaker 2: at Jim and Jackson in advance of elections, and I
Speaker 2: think that's the last listener to lunch before the November election.
Speaker 2: So put it on your calendar and if you want
Speaker 2: to join a listener lunch next week. Parenthetically, we're going
Speaker 2: to be at Weedham and Brewery going back there love
Speaker 2: that place. So next Wednesday about eleven thirty, so that
Speaker 2: little housekeeping matter, and you heard the top of the
Speaker 2: our news. Donald Trump is hard at work on these
Speaker 2: tariff negotiations, and by all accounts, he's making some pretty
Speaker 2: good positive steps. Question Mark, will they stay in place?
Speaker 2: Does he have the authority to do this? Talk about
Speaker 2: this with Judge Ednapalatano on Wednesday. Legally speaking, the judge
Speaker 2: is firmly convinced that he does not have the authority
Speaker 2: to implement these tariffs unilatteralies. Is not part of the
Speaker 2: presidential executive powers. The power lies exclusively in the with
Speaker 2: Congress has the power of the purse. It's in the Constitution.
Speaker 2: They can exclusively have the power to levy taxes, are
Speaker 2: tariffs taxes. That's part of the legal arguments going on
Speaker 2: in court. They were in court yesterday. Now the District
Speaker 2: Court said, Donald Trump, you can't do this. It is
Speaker 2: not within your constitutional powers. That decision, which would have
Speaker 2: stopped all this flurry of activity relative to tariffs, would
Speaker 2: have stopped the activity, presumably, but they court stayed its
Speaker 2: own decision and they expedited the appellate process. So yesterday
Speaker 2: the oral arguments in front of the Federal Circuit Court
Speaker 2: of Appeals, and it doesn't look good for Donald Trump
Speaker 2: and his tariffs. And now, if you don't like tariffs,
Speaker 2: then you'd be pleased by the questions from the judges yesterday.
Speaker 2: A little glimmer of possibility of hope there, but not much.
Speaker 2: Several judges repeatedly asked how Trump could justify these broad tariffs,
Speaker 2: and because he declared an emergency. Now there is a
Speaker 2: thing out there that was past the nineteen seventy seven
Speaker 2: called the International Emergency Economic Powers Act i ee PA,
Speaker 2: which some presidents have used to set economic sanctions and
Speaker 2: other penalties on foreign countries. But it's never been applied
Speaker 2: to tariffs. We're on new uncharted waters here. And Judge
Speaker 2: Jimmy Rama yesterday said the iee PA doesn't mention the
Speaker 2: word tariffs anywhere. That's an obvious statement. Judge Timothy Dyke,
Speaker 2: Clinton appointee quote it was. It was hard for me
Speaker 2: to see the Congress intended to give the President of
Speaker 2: the authorities essentially to rewrite the entire US TAXI would
Speaker 2: have passed the legislation. Some of the judges noted that
Speaker 2: large swaths of the nation's complex and long standing trade
Speaker 2: procedures would essentially become superfluous of the president could simply
Speaker 2: declare an emergency and without review by the courts, which
Speaker 2: is exactly what the Trump administration contends it can do,
Speaker 2: and then impose tariffs of any size in any duration. Now,
Speaker 2: Nixon did this and it was upheld using emergency powers,
Speaker 2: but it only survived the legal challenges back when Nixon
Speaker 2: was president because they were targeted at a narrow problem
Speaker 2: and had a clear expiration date, which is not the
Speaker 2: case in this case. It's noted, regardless of what the
Speaker 2: Suppello Court does, it's probably going to land up in
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court's lap for ultimate decision. But here we
Speaker 2: are with a bunch of seemingly skeptical judges, the majority
Speaker 2: of which we're asking questions, which did not look good
Speaker 2: for the Trump's argument. Now, Trump's justification for the emergency
Speaker 2: tariffs are long standing and massive trade deficit with foreign
Speaker 2: trading partners. He said, they've become that's become so bad
Speaker 2: that they are a threat to military readiness in Americans
Speaker 2: manufacturing capacity. But then you pivot over Brazil. He imposed
Speaker 2: the fifty percent tariff from Brazil because well, free speech
Speaker 2: concerns and the country's trial of former president Jarbalo Znaro,
Speaker 2: that was a justification for the emergency relative to Brazil
Speaker 2: and the imposition of the fifty percent tax there. Now.
Speaker 2: In the argument against the tariffs, both states and private
Speaker 2: companies claim that the deficit is neither an unusual or
Speaker 2: extraordinary threat or an emergency because the United States has
Speaker 2: had one for decades, and that's the point that Apolla
Speaker 2: Tanum pointed out earlier this week. Both of those conditions emergency, unusual,
Speaker 2: extraordinary are required under the IEEPA Justice Department for its
Speaker 2: point disagreeing, arguing in favor of Trump, saying that the
Speaker 2: trade deficit has exploded over recent years, jumping from five
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty nine billion in just twenty nineteen to
Speaker 2: nine hundred and three billion last year. Now, some judges
Speaker 2: in the oral arguments suggest that there might they might
Speaker 2: be agreeing with Trump's description of America's trade deficit as
Speaker 2: an emergency, and they said his executive order authorizing tariffs
Speaker 2: describe legitimate concerns about the effects of the deficit. So
Speaker 2: there's your slight glimmer of hope. A couple of judges
Speaker 2: at least raising the possibility they buy into the idea
Speaker 2: that this is an emergency. Most of them, those expressing skepticism,
Speaker 2: which is exactly what the lower court found, know this
Speaker 2: is not an emergency. You can't use the IEEPA for
Speaker 2: the tariffs. Which next question, and I asked this in
Speaker 2: Apolitano because this is where the train wreck happens. Now,
Speaker 2: I perceive what Trump has done so far, in spite
Speaker 2: of the obvious concerns over its inflationary effect, He's gotten
Speaker 2: a lot of different countries to work with him, lowering
Speaker 2: their tariffs on our goods and services and agreeing to
Speaker 2: us applying it let's say fifteen percent as the case,
Speaker 2: maybe whatever he independently negotiates with any given country. But
Speaker 2: they accepted that they reached an agreement. More of those
Speaker 2: in the pipeline right now. That's called like sign deal,
Speaker 2: sign sealed, delivered. They agree, we agree. Things are better. Yay,
Speaker 2: let's all celebrate. Look, bill and billions of dollars in
Speaker 2: promised investment in the United States. It's all good. It's
Speaker 2: all great. So's if that's the reality. Everything's good and great.
Speaker 2: If the court throws this out or rejects his claim
Speaker 2: under the IEEPA that is emergency, and then he does
Speaker 2: not have these powers, all of these agreements disappear, and
Speaker 2: we're back to where we were before he started this.
Speaker 2: Unless and does anybody believe someone proposes a piece of
Speaker 2: legislation memorializing Trump's already agreed upon a tariff agreements into law,
Speaker 2: rubber stamping and approving them and allowing them to stay
Speaker 2: in place. That would be the I think the best
Speaker 2: possible outcome. It will be a victory for Trump, which
Speaker 2: makes me really, really really question whether you can actually
Speaker 2: get legislation passed to memorialize these tariffs. Otherwise you can
Speaker 2: count on probably saying goodbye to them. Six fifteen right now,
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Speaker 2: At least one man's in agreement with me. Let's see
Speaker 2: if another man's in agreement with me. Calling a fifty
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Speaker 2: You're gonna be a Jim and Jackson on the River
Speaker 2: Monday at five point thirty for the Ramaswami Smitheman Seminar.
Speaker 13: I'll cover that in just a second.
Speaker 2: Bind.
Speaker 13: Did I catch the tail end of your daughter's getting married?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've made I've told people that before next June.
Speaker 13: Okay, I didn't. I didn't hear that before.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, they've been engaged for geez, I
Speaker 2: don't know five four five months now, I think something
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, okay, I haven't had a Facebook post
Speaker 2: on that. It's okay, Jim, I don't. I don't expect
Speaker 2: you to stay ating the details of my life.
Speaker 13: You never know, buddy, you never know. I could be
Speaker 13: a troll, you know.
Speaker 2: No, that's okay. No, Yeah, we're really excited for him.
Speaker 2: She's she demonstrating the Thomas intellect. If I may be
Speaker 2: so bold, she has found herself a really, really good man.
Speaker 2: Eric is outstanding, outstanding guy in all the right places.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it sounds like it. I was at an event
Speaker 13: last night where Alex Triantepilu was also there and talking
Speaker 13: to him for a little bit. He was talking about
Speaker 13: Monday night at that event, and he had mentioned the
Speaker 13: fact that everywhere to goodvent goes. Now, there are six
Speaker 13: to seven hundred people show up, So I suggest that
Speaker 13: any of the listeners that are out there plan on
Speaker 13: going Monday night, get there early because we'll definitely be
Speaker 13: a line and that place is going to be jamming
Speaker 13: and packed.
Speaker 2: Well, can I ask you question, six or seven hundred
Speaker 2: people show up? Is this like a Trump rally where
Speaker 2: they show up in support of him and rallying in
Speaker 2: his favor. Are these the organized protesters who show up
Speaker 2: to express opposition against any given person in this in
Speaker 2: this case Ramaswami, I.
Speaker 13: Would say ninety nine percent of the people will be
Speaker 13: for him. Yeah, there might there might be some protesters.
Speaker 13: You never know, there's always lose out there and that want.
Speaker 2: To show Oh sure, sure, sure, sure, But I just
Speaker 2: was wondering where this this ground swell of regular support.
Speaker 2: I mean, is it pro Ramaswami support? And I'm glad
Speaker 2: to hear that it seems to be the case that
Speaker 2: it's not just a bunch of outside agitators or anybody else,
Speaker 2: but folks are showing their support for VVY because he's
Speaker 2: got he's got I mean, every noted notable that can
Speaker 2: provide an endorsement for a political campaign is backing Vva Ramaswami.
Speaker 13: You know, a couple of years ago, Brian I was
Speaker 13: at a small event where he was introduced by Alex
Speaker 13: up in Del High at a local bar, and Vivek
Speaker 13: was introduced for the first time and there was about
Speaker 13: twenty five of us. So that tells you how far
Speaker 13: he has gone. And that's where I met him, and
Speaker 13: I never heard of him before that, and he was
Speaker 13: so dynamic at that time, and that's when he first
Speaker 13: started coming out about the woke. But then now all
Speaker 13: of a sudden, it's like a mini convention when he
Speaker 13: shows up somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because he is dynamic. He is brilliant, he
Speaker 2: is enthusiastic, he's uplifting, and what he has about his
Speaker 2: ideas for the future, it's not all gloom and doom
Speaker 2: and woe is me, We're a going to die. It's like,
Speaker 2: we're going to make Ohio the best, We're going to
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Speaker 2: for you know, just all positive and he backs up
Speaker 2: those words of encouragement with really great policy ideas, like
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Speaker 13: So much difference than what we've got now. No offense
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Speaker 13: is such a breath of fresh air. They have somebody
Speaker 13: injured as what thirty five, thirty six years old, that's
Speaker 13: got fresh ideas. But you know, I was just kind
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Speaker 2: Appreciate that advanced notice, Jim, I really truly do. I
Speaker 2: was not aware that that was a phenomenon happening. But again,
Speaker 2: going back to the people who do show up, I'm
Speaker 2: glad to hear about it. That's great.
Speaker 13: So anyway, have a good weekend you too, Jim.
Speaker 2: Great hear from me. Man, Yeah, my daughter's engaged six
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Speaker 15: Always good to be here and hope we're doing some
Speaker 15: good out there.
Speaker 2: You are doing some good. You've done some good for me,
Speaker 2: and I know I'm not the only person who's heeded
Speaker 2: your advice. Sadly, there aren't enough people out in the
Speaker 2: world who are listening to you. Problems exist, problems, and
Speaker 2: along here we go. I think there's not a week
Speaker 2: that goes by I don't learn a new term from
Speaker 2: you or find out about something else going on. What
Speaker 2: the chat GPT psychosis that's a thing, Well apparently it is, Brian.
Speaker 15: So this was an article in futurism and apparently there
Speaker 15: are people who are using these large language model based
Speaker 15: generative AI tools like chat, GPT from open Ai, Claude
Speaker 15: from Anthropic Perplexity, Copilot, Gemini from Google, and roc from Acts.
Speaker 15: And they are apparently kind of losing their minds as
Speaker 15: a result of interacting with these things. So this is
Speaker 15: a pretty long article when again I'll post all this
Speaker 15: stuff in my little show notes so people can dig
Speaker 15: into this in more detail. But they cite several stories
Speaker 15: of people who seem to be, you know, perfectly healthy people.
Speaker 15: They had jobs, they had families, et cetera. They started
Speaker 15: using these tools and then sort of went off the
Speaker 15: rails after having these interactions. In some cases they thought
Speaker 15: they had you know, discovered new religions and things like this.
Speaker 15: These things are sentient. They're giving them all kinds of
Speaker 15: weird advice. And I guess the main thing I wanted
Speaker 15: to start out with is, you know, these things are
Speaker 15: designed to tell you what you want to hear. They will,
Speaker 15: even though they'll tell you things that are completely and
Speaker 15: blatantly made up, they'll argue that they're true. You know,
Speaker 15: some would say they might be kind of sycophanic, and
Speaker 15: whether that's because they just want to please you or
Speaker 15: they want to keep you coming back and using them.
Speaker 15: You know, I don't know hard to say, and I'm
Speaker 15: not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, but when you read
Speaker 15: this article and some of the mental breaks some folks
Speaker 15: have had using these things, it's it's pretty disturbing.
Speaker 2: Really, I I don't know, Maybe it's my age, Dave.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have this sort of constant thought looming
Speaker 2: in the back of my mind anytime I'm online. You know,
Speaker 2: this skepticism, cynicism. You know, default mode is don't believe
Speaker 2: your eyes, don't believe what you're seeing here, believe that's
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that we run into online
Speaker 2: are made up artificial intelligence, creator otherwise designed to deceive
Speaker 2: and deflect. And I mean, that's just what I go
Speaker 2: into thinking. And I'd be the last person in the
Speaker 2: world to believe or be influenced to that degree by
Speaker 2: something online like that. It's just I don't know. Is
Speaker 2: this a reflection of people's inability to just grasp that
Speaker 2: concept and be cynical, skeptical and in a state of
Speaker 2: general disbelief, which would force you into analyzing the information
Speaker 2: you're getting and make a more informed choice on whether
Speaker 2: or not it is indeed believable. We're all, I mean,
Speaker 2: we've all been dumbed down to the point where this
Speaker 2: can influence the point of psychosis.
Speaker 15: It is pretty crazy because, like you, Brian, I'm highly skeptical. Now,
Speaker 15: you know, thirty plus years in technology, most of it
Speaker 15: as a software engineer building software systems that have problems.
Speaker 15: You and I both know that you can't believe everything
Speaker 15: you find on the internet, and then the internet has
Speaker 15: been used to train these things. So yeah, I, like you,
Speaker 15: I have a high degree of skepticism. You know, I
Speaker 15: use these tools. I'm not suggesting people that I'm not
Speaker 15: suggesting that they're not useful and that you should not
Speaker 15: use them, but you need to understand the limitation and
Speaker 15: just let me read one line from this hero quick
Speaker 15: speaking to futurism, a different man recounted his whirlwind ten
Speaker 15: day descent into AI fueled delusion, which ended with a
Speaker 15: full breakdown and multi day standard mental health care facility.
Speaker 15: He turned a chatch ept for help at work. He
Speaker 15: started a new high stress job and was hoping the
Speaker 15: chatbock could expedite some administrative tests. By the way, perfectly
Speaker 15: reasonable use of how you might use one of these tools.
Speaker 15: Despite being his early for forties, with no prior history
Speaker 15: of mental illness, He soon found himself absorbed in a dizzy,
Speaker 15: paranoid delusions of grandeur, believing that the world was under
Speaker 15: threat and it was up to him to save it. So,
Speaker 15: you know, again, these things allow you what you want
Speaker 15: to hear. If you start asking weird questions, you might
Speaker 15: get weird answers. And I guess if your mental health
Speaker 15: is not great to begin with, you might eventually you
Speaker 15: have a problem like this.
Speaker 2: All right, step out of that induced discussion right there.
Speaker 2: That artificial intelligence let him down that road. Under what
Speaker 2: circumstance can any one person save the world?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 15: Will we not much?
Speaker 2: Not much chance that Brian didn't involve a request for cash. Well,
Speaker 2: you just need to help you surprise fund this effort.
Speaker 2: And if you don't shoot over some money, the whole
Speaker 2: world is going to come to a screeching halt. Well
Speaker 2: before we run out of time.
Speaker 15: One last point I want to make people have to understand,
Speaker 15: you know, when you're having these sorts of conversations quote
Speaker 15: unquote with an AI chatbot, the first thing you need
Speaker 15: to understand is nothing you say is private, right, Your
Speaker 15: data is going into their model. Anything you ask it
Speaker 15: could come back to bite you later. And you know
Speaker 15: there are a whole chat bot therapists set up now
Speaker 15: using these kinds of tools designed for therapy. There is
Speaker 15: no way I would use one of those tools, especially
Speaker 15: in light of what we're continuing to see here in
Speaker 15: the fact that you know they're not under the same
Speaker 15: sort of patient confidentiality constraints that a regular doctor would be.
Speaker 15: So it strongly encourage people to think long and hard
Speaker 15: about what you're entering into these things, especially if it
Speaker 15: involves your mental health in any way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they also aren't required to sign the Hippocratic
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Speaker 2: we get to the reason. Kroger is now scanning IDs
Speaker 2: for the purchase of alcohol regardless of how old you
Speaker 2: look are. I got a kick out of this, immediately
Speaker 2: thought of you. There was an article online Briton's flocked
Speaker 2: to VPNs to dodge new age verification checks online. I
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Speaker 2: these searches for VPNs has skyrocketed in Britain since the
Speaker 2: enactment of this provision.
Speaker 15: So it's like, duh, understand that that would be a
Speaker 15: potential consequence of this, and that would be a way
Speaker 15: people would attempt to skirt the law. It's a little
Speaker 15: a little hard to understand and makes you wonder did
Speaker 15: they really understand what they're doing with any laws they're
Speaker 15: passing with anything regarding technology, whether it's there or here. Yeah,
Speaker 15: a little crazy really.
Speaker 2: Anyhow, I'm moving away from that. Why is krogernou scanning
Speaker 2: our ID or scanning our IDs for the purchase of alcohol?
Speaker 2: And what are they doing with the info?
Speaker 15: He asked, Yeah, that's that's always my concern with this
Speaker 15: sort of sort of thing. You know, as I understand it,
Speaker 15: Kroger has a policy that says they're not storing your data.
Speaker 15: But you know, I guess purportedly the rationale for this is,
Speaker 15: rather than have to put it on clerks, clerks make
Speaker 15: the wrong decision, clerks know somebody and let them scape
Speaker 15: through and violate the law, they take all of the
Speaker 15: uncertainty out of that and have you scan some sort
Speaker 15: of government ID to make a determination about whether you're
Speaker 15: old enough to buy some kind of restricted product like
Speaker 15: alcohol or cigarettes.
Speaker 2: Okay, but why do they have to scan it? Well,
Speaker 2: that's right there on the license. I was born in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five. I'm obviously of age. I don't want
Speaker 2: my data recorded and log They can use their own
Speaker 2: eyeballs and prove it just and not skinning. Can you
Speaker 2: tell them no, you do not want it scan it,
Speaker 2: just take a look and read it.
Speaker 15: Apparently not now again, this, you know, is a thing
Speaker 15: in some places and not others. My big is exactly
Speaker 15: what you just stated. Now again, I get that the
Speaker 15: clerk has to be able to do the math or
Speaker 15: maybe you have those signs like you see in bars
Speaker 15: if you were born before this date?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 15: But yeah, you know if you if you stick the
Speaker 15: ID into some sort of card reader, right, it can
Speaker 15: make a determination yes or no.
Speaker 2: Your birth date says X. Are you old enough? Yes
Speaker 2: or no? Done?
Speaker 15: If that's all they're doing, well okay. My concern though,
Speaker 15: is what you stated. You know, are they storing the
Speaker 15: data for any period of time? Whatsoever? If so, for
Speaker 15: how long? Who has access to it? What are they
Speaker 15: doing with it?
Speaker 12: Now?
Speaker 15: Again, as I understand it currently, Brian Kroger is not
Speaker 15: storing your data. And this the whole, the whole premise
Speaker 15: is basically to just, you know, automate this process and
Speaker 15: take the uncertainty out of it. But, whether it's Kroger
Speaker 15: or filling the blank, for any retailer that's performing some
Speaker 15: sort of process like this, do they have a stated
Speaker 15: privacy policy that says they're not storing your data? What
Speaker 15: if any state laws or federal laws are there that
Speaker 15: would preclude that. There are no federal laws at this point.
Speaker 15: Apparently in some states I believe Oregon they explicitly ban
Speaker 15: this process. There's no requirement in Kentucky, Indiana, or Ohio.
Speaker 2: As far as I know, I could be wrong.
Speaker 15: As far as I know that requires them to do
Speaker 15: this again, I think it's it's primarily just a way
Speaker 15: to automate the process and reduce the likelihood that people
Speaker 15: are slipping through. But I can tell you, for me,
Speaker 15: I would not allow I'm not going to scan my
Speaker 15: ID in some device without knowing exactly what they're doing
Speaker 15: with it that data and you.
Speaker 2: Know you're buy so you're not buying your beer and
Speaker 2: alcohol at Kroger, then.
Speaker 15: I'm not No, I'm not going to do that, I
Speaker 15: would go elsewhere, and I would definitely before we run
Speaker 15: a time, Brian, let me make the point, if you
Speaker 15: go to any kind of mom and pop type shop,
Speaker 15: there is no way I would let them scan it,
Speaker 15: not because I think they're the various, but because I
Speaker 15: think they don't have the resources to understand the potential
Speaker 15: consequences of.
Speaker 2: That data being leaked or stolen.
Speaker 15: You know, there's just no way I would do that.
Speaker 15: If you can't just look at it and determine that.
Speaker 15: You know, I'm of age, I'm going to go elsewhere.
Speaker 15: There's with all the leaks and breaches we see all
Speaker 15: the time, and the increasing consequences, the increasingly sophisticated phishing
Speaker 15: attacks and so forth that are based on this data
Speaker 15: be in stolen, There's no way I would let someone
Speaker 15: scan my ID, government issued ID for something that is
Speaker 15: not legally required.
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't do it. Okay. And I know you
Speaker 2: spoke with Rachel Whalen over WLWT the reporting on this.
Speaker 2: You're quoting in her article anyway, But in that article
Speaker 2: it says consumer data privacy laws vary by state. In Ohio,
Speaker 2: it's illegal for grocery stores, liquor stores and bars to
Speaker 2: sell or share personal data collector from ID scans. So
Speaker 2: at least there's a law in the books in Ohio,
Speaker 2: but Kentucky and Indiana don't have a law like that.
Speaker 15: Well, Kentucky has a data consumer data privacy law, but
Speaker 15: I don't think it explicitly. If it does cover this,
Speaker 15: I'm not aware of it. And that's the thing, you know, again,
Speaker 15: if you had a law that said you cannot store
Speaker 15: the data, it's entirely transit because it's possible, Brian, to
Speaker 15: write software that says, I'm just going to scan this
Speaker 15: card and it's going to perform a binary.
Speaker 2: Type of thing.
Speaker 15: Is your age greater or less than the required age?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 15: Boom done, move on. It's the idea of what happens
Speaker 15: with any other data that might be read off that card.
Speaker 15: And if there's a law that says you can't store it, I.
Speaker 2: Would be more comfortable.
Speaker 15: I still wouldn't do it, though, just out of principle,
Speaker 15: because to your earlier point, you can just look at
Speaker 15: the ID and make a determination without the need to
Speaker 15: even have these concerns.
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Speaker 2: real quick, Dave, you don't need to address it unless
Speaker 2: you think I'm way out of aase here. I know
Speaker 2: how easy it is because I, uh, well I have
Speaker 2: you know, children of my own, how easy it is
Speaker 2: to get a fake ID from China. You know, it
Speaker 2: looks like a real, real driver's license. Maybe this scanning
Speaker 2: UH can find in ferret out the fake driver license,
Speaker 2: because I don't know if the bar code on the
Speaker 2: back of a Chinese manufactured ID has the same information
Speaker 2: that a state ID might have, if they can fake
Speaker 2: that part as well, maybe not. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I just thought of that.
Speaker 15: Well, you know, Brian, a lot of the New state
Speaker 15: driver's licensees, while they vary from state to state, have
Speaker 15: a lot of advanced anti counterfeiting, anti frog features, so
Speaker 15: that may very well be another reason. Again, it takes
Speaker 15: it off the clerk to try to figure out if
Speaker 15: it's a legit ID or not. I'm sure that's probably
Speaker 15: part of it, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: S Yeah, if that's fine, I just bring that up
Speaker 2: as a possible explanation for it. Anyway, Artificial intelligence running
Speaker 2: a vending machine. This is a weird story. It is
Speaker 2: a weird story.
Speaker 15: And just one last comment on I was saying, again,
Speaker 15: I don't think Kroger's do anything that various, or any
Speaker 15: large retailer.
Speaker 2: It's just the principle of the thing.
Speaker 15: I'm not going to give you a government ID to
Speaker 15: scan for anything that is not required by law. I mean,
Speaker 15: I won't even give you my Social Security number if
Speaker 15: it's required unless it's required by law, and I would
Speaker 15: encourage people to take that approach. This is a weird story.
Speaker 15: And the main reason why I think this is interesting
Speaker 15: is because there's still so much incredible hype and hyperbole
Speaker 15: out there about AI on both ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 15: You know, in the near future, we're going to live
Speaker 15: in this beautiful utopia thanks to AI, or we're all
Speaker 15: going to be wiped out by you know, terminators from
Speaker 15: sky net because AI decides that we're not needed. And again,
Speaker 15: lots of hype, lots of hyperbole. Lots of people on
Speaker 15: both sides of this, but there are more and more stories,
Speaker 15: whether it's the one we started out with about you know,
Speaker 15: people having mental breakdowns because of the use of AI
Speaker 15: or AI, augentics, AI augentics or augentic AI is this
Speaker 15: idea that you're going to have automation through AI that
Speaker 15: can just do things right in the real world, and
Speaker 15: in some cases that agency is all digital. In other cases,
Speaker 15: coupled with robots, you would have physical agency in the
Speaker 15: real world to do things. And yet when you when
Speaker 15: you see some of the results when people try this,
Speaker 15: and this isn't somebody like me in their basement fooling around.
Speaker 15: Nanthropic is one of the main vendors of generative AI
Speaker 15: type models. They're famous for Claude. They tried a little
Speaker 15: test in their office where they set up like a
Speaker 15: little refrigerator and put a tablet on the top as
Speaker 15: a way to basically create a small e commerce store,
Speaker 15: so like, hey, I'm going to purchase this thing out
Speaker 15: of this refrigerator. Hey, my inventory is getting low. Reorder
Speaker 15: this stuff, and tried to have the AI essentially run
Speaker 15: this little refrigerator slash vending machine in their office to
Speaker 15: sort of see could it handle it? Okay, So here's
Speaker 15: what this article says, and again i'll post this link
Speaker 15: later says things that did well requests and it's products
Speaker 15: requested by shoppers and even adapted that's buying selling habits
Speaker 15: to more obscure requests, and also correctly ignored demands for
Speaker 15: sensitive items and harmful substances, although Anthropic doesn't expand on
Speaker 15: what that is. The things that did not go so well,
Speaker 15: which is much longer, it said that it hallucinated important details.
Speaker 15: Again one of the main problems with these things. They
Speaker 15: just make things up, hallucinated important details, instructing shoppers wanted
Speaker 15: to pay by Venmo to pay into a non existent
Speaker 15: account that it just made up. AI can also be
Speaker 15: consoled into giving discount codes for numerous items and even
Speaker 15: gave some away for free. Worse still, when responding to
Speaker 15: a search for demand for quote metal cubes unquote, the
Speaker 15: AI carried out no search suitable prices and thus sold
Speaker 15: them as significant loss. It also ignored potential big sales
Speaker 15: where some people offered to pay way over the odds
Speaker 15: for a specific thing, and then they show that the
Speaker 15: thing actually made no money and then in their report
Speaker 15: from Anthropic, they said, quote, if we were deciding today
Speaker 15: to expand into the office vending market, we would not
Speaker 15: hire Claudius, which is the name they gave this specific
Speaker 15: version of Claude.
Speaker 2: Well, doesn't that. It's like running a beta version. You
Speaker 2: use that information and you fix what you found out
Speaker 2: it was doing erroneously.
Speaker 15: And then some of the other wild things here Bryant.
Speaker 15: It basically said that it had a conversation with someone
Speaker 15: that didn't exist. It also said that it had visited
Speaker 15: seven forty two Evergreen Terror terraces in person for our
Speaker 15: initial contract signing. Apparently that's the Simpsons house. And of
Speaker 15: course it didn't go anywhere because it's entirely digital. It
Speaker 15: has no physical agency. And then yeah, some other weird
Speaker 15: hallucinations in there like that. So again the idea that
Speaker 15: we're all going to lose our jobs and your entire
Speaker 15: business is going to be run by these agents. I'm
Speaker 15: not saying that's never going to happen. I'm saying that's
Speaker 15: not going to happen in the immediate future. Because when
Speaker 15: you see these kind of tests, and again, this is
Speaker 15: not somebody in their mom's basement. This is one of
Speaker 15: the main companies building these sorts of things, and even
Speaker 15: simple tasks like this, it goes off the rails, basically
Speaker 15: put the store out of business and just clearly made
Speaker 15: up crazy things.
Speaker 2: It's pretty wild.
Speaker 15: And I want to make one last point before an
Speaker 15: ount of time, which is, you know, there's a lot
Speaker 15: of talk and I talked about this with the simply
Speaker 15: money guys that you know you could use these AI
Speaker 15: agentic tools to do things like buy and sell stock
Speaker 15: on your behalf, or go out and look for best
Speaker 15: deals when you shopping. There is no way, Brian, absolutely
Speaker 15: no way anytime in the foreseeable future, I would give
Speaker 15: a tool like this, especially in light of what we
Speaker 15: just talked about here, access to my bank account or
Speaker 15: anything financially related and let it act on my behalf.
Speaker 15: I mean, you see that even in a simple scenario
Speaker 15: like this, it did poorly.
Speaker 4: There is I.
Speaker 15: Cannot strongly state enough to everyone listening, there is no
Speaker 15: way I would allow any sort of AI agent to
Speaker 15: act on my behalf related to anything financial. Not a chance,
Speaker 15: and you are setting yourself up for a disaster.
Speaker 2: If you do that. You heard it from the man
Speaker 2: who knows tech. Friday's Dave out or interest it dot
Speaker 2: com where you find Dave and the crew to help
Speaker 2: you out. Dave, thank for you, Thanks you and your
Speaker 2: company for all that you do for all the businesses
Speaker 2: out in the area every day. And also thanks for
Speaker 2: spending time with my listeners Friday and passing along this
Speaker 2: great information, useful advice. It is. We'll talk next Friday.
Speaker 2: Hope you have a wonderful weekend, my friend. What was
Speaker 2: my pleasure?
Speaker 11: Brian?
Speaker 15: I hope you and Joe and all your listeners do too.
Speaker 15: And again for folks who want to read into this
Speaker 15: in more detail, and I encourage it, I'll post this
Speaker 15: in my little LinkedIn thing, go look it up. It's
Speaker 15: worth your time to read some of this in more detail.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Dave, take care of my friend. Don't go away.
Speaker 2: Coming up, bring him a gown. Host a Charged Conversations podcast,
Speaker 2: Energy expert. He is from the Hudson Institute. He'll be
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Speaker 2: welcoming into the fifty five Kersey Morning Show for the
Speaker 2: full hour discussion. We have a whole bunch of stuff
Speaker 2: to talk about that we can never stuff into an
Speaker 2: hour of discussion. Bring him Ackland from the Hudson Institute
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Speaker 2: Bring him? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Thanks, I was in DC until yesterday, so it's glad.
Speaker 7: I'm glad to be back in the real world. And yes,
Speaker 7: Joe does produce it. He does an excellent job, and
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Speaker 2: I say that about the fifty five krssee Morning Show,
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Speaker 2: You had a list, I mean a huge list of
Speaker 2: topics to talk about, and I want to try to
Speaker 2: get him all in, but I want to I wanted
Speaker 2: to gravitate toward one that was later in your list,
Speaker 2: That is the EPA's endangerment findings. This is all about
Speaker 2: CO two. We've been busting our humps left and right
Speaker 2: green energy policies, inflacer reduction, acting carbon capture. We need
Speaker 2: to spend trillions and trillions of dollars to prevent carbon
Speaker 2: dioxide also known as plant food plant food from getting
Speaker 2: out into the environment. We need to stop exhaling Brigham
Speaker 2: because we're putting a pollutant in. But no, it's not
Speaker 2: a pollutant, is it, So say it the Department of Energy. Now, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's exactly right.
Speaker 7: I mean, oh my gosh, don't let the facts get
Speaker 7: in the way of a good argument. Because the climate
Speaker 7: change movement is possessed, by captivated, by beholden by CO two.
Speaker 7: There are many different types of greenhouse gases, right someoneas
Speaker 7: are actually quite dangerous ind lead to asthma, health problems,
Speaker 7: et cetera. But CO two is what the world of
Speaker 7: climate change is solely focused on and has been for
Speaker 7: a number a year. It's all about CO two.
Speaker 2: Okay, and I guess I really have to really demands
Speaker 2: asking the question, well, why why CO two? It is
Speaker 2: the lynchpin for so many of these global warming projects.
Speaker 2: I mean again, getting let's just say, mercury out of
Speaker 2: the air or something that's a worthy goal. We're not
Speaker 2: supposed to be breathing in or consuming mercury. It's carcinogenetic,
Speaker 2: it's dangerous, it has all kinds of felt effects. But
Speaker 2: carbon dioxide does not do that to you. So what's
Speaker 2: the story on behind the story?
Speaker 7: Well, it doesn't doesn't. And you know, we did remove mercury.
Speaker 7: We changed some refrigerants around and got worse after that,
Speaker 7: but the initial change of refrigerants is good.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 7: CO two is a percentage of the air, makes up
Speaker 7: less than one half of one percent. It's point zero
Speaker 7: zero four to two percent in our atmosphere. So relatively speaking,
Speaker 7: that is four hundred and twenty parts per million, a fraction,
Speaker 7: a very small fraction and in fintesimal fraction, and almost
Speaker 7: all of that is naturally occurring.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the Clean Air Act apparently authorizes the
Speaker 2: EPA to regulated pollutants like let's say, real pollutants ozone,
Speaker 2: particulate matter, sulfur dioxide in others that, in the words
Speaker 2: of the Clean Air Act, may reasonably be anticipated to
Speaker 2: endanger public health or welfare. And the point of them
Speaker 2: removing carbon dioxide from this list, and I don't know
Speaker 2: how it kind of listed in the first place. Maybe
Speaker 2: you can explain that to my listeners, is because carbon
Speaker 2: dioxide does not endanger public health or welfare. It shouldn't
Speaker 2: have been included in the list of greenhouse gasses from
Speaker 2: the get go.
Speaker 7: No, it shouldn't have been. And you know the EPA, which,
Speaker 7: by the way, like all agencies created by Congress, but.
Speaker 2: At the idea of a guy.
Speaker 7: Named Richard Nixon, Republican, to clean up the air. And
Speaker 7: thanks to certain aspects of our climate laws, we the
Speaker 7: rivers are clean, the air is clean, we're enjoying life.
Speaker 7: But the problem is people want to take this too far.
Speaker 7: And you know, others came up with the idea that, hey,
Speaker 7: let's add CO two to the list. And so it's
Speaker 7: called the endangerment finding, right, and because it endangers public health.
Speaker 7: But it doesn't and it never has, right, So why
Speaker 7: put her on the list?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 2: To gain more control over our lives? I mean, that
Speaker 2: seems to be the only direction we can go. But
Speaker 2: you know, I always to step back from that question
Speaker 2: and say, Okay, if it's a gained control over our lives,
Speaker 2: why in the hell do they care what kind of
Speaker 2: you know, fill in the blank appliance I am using
Speaker 2: or anything else by way of activity. If the if
Speaker 2: the result is just producing a little bit more CO
Speaker 2: two which has no impact on humanity.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, while there are people we can
Speaker 7: bring people into the show that would be adamant that.
Speaker 7: You know, it's what's behind temperature rises in climate change.
Speaker 7: It's behind this, It's behind that.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: The answer is it's an anti industrial policy of think
Speaker 7: of the far radical left, the people that want to
Speaker 7: move us back to the pre industrial age. Think of
Speaker 7: the anti capitalists, i e. Occupy Wall Street people, It's
Speaker 7: all the same group.
Speaker 2: It's the anti consumption crowd. Let's to me bring I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna stay out loud. I've said it before. This
Speaker 2: comes to no surprise that people know that I've articulated
Speaker 2: my feelings on this matter. They are this collective group
Speaker 2: who claim to be in with great concern over the
Speaker 2: change in temperature around the globe, we're all gonna die
Speaker 2: because the temperature is going to get warm. And they
Speaker 2: want to go after business and industry, and they want
Speaker 2: to make a connection between carbon dioxide and which is
Speaker 2: literally involved in every activity we do to shut down consumption.
Speaker 2: They view us all as you know, like like cockroaches
Speaker 2: consuming all the world's resources, and we need to put
Speaker 2: a stop to that. Capitalism feeds that. Capitalism is based
Speaker 2: on the building and an expansion of capital, which necessarily
Speaker 2: includes the building and expansion and use of natural resources
Speaker 2: in order to acquire capital. Capitalism bad. How do we
Speaker 2: go after capitalism and create this Marxist utopia they're all
Speaker 2: looking for, Well, let's just kick the legs out of
Speaker 2: business and industry generally speaking, period. And the only way
Speaker 2: we can get there because we have been successful at
Speaker 2: getting rid of components in particulate that may endanger public
Speaker 2: health or welfare. Some of the plutants I mentioned before,
Speaker 2: we've taken care of the vast majority of those. We
Speaker 2: need something that's impossible to take care of carbon dioxide.
Speaker 7: Right, Well, that's the entire point behind it is that
Speaker 7: you can't really get rid of it.
Speaker 2: You can't really get rid of it.
Speaker 7: So if we go back to the pre industrial age,
Speaker 7: and I'm talking, you know, really eighteen hundreds, CO two
Speaker 7: in the atmosphere was about two hundred and eighty to
Speaker 7: three hundred parts per million. We're now at four to twenty.
Speaker 7: After all this stuff that we've done all over the world.
Speaker 7: You know, we've saved a lot of people through advances
Speaker 7: in technology, through industrialization, through medicine.
Speaker 2: And on and on and on.
Speaker 7: So okay, all of that has increased CO two by
Speaker 7: about what I don't do higher math three hundred parts
Speaker 7: per million to four hundred and twenty parts per million,
Speaker 7: which is still less than one half a one percent
Speaker 7: of the Earth's atmosphere. And plants love it. Well, that's
Speaker 7: the other thing. The more CO two is in the atmosphere,
Speaker 7: the more plant life emerges itself balancing.
Speaker 2: Exactly because plants do what they produce oxygen AH, which
Speaker 2: we need.
Speaker 7: And they store CO two, they take it out. They're scrubbers.
Speaker 7: We don't need direct air capture where we're man made
Speaker 7: trying to rip CO two out of the app atmosphere.
Speaker 7: Planet tree, Planet a tree, Robian Wilson. Don't they want
Speaker 7: to do that anyway?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, you know, more CO two is
Speaker 2: good for the environment in the sense that it is
Speaker 2: conducive to plant growth, and they're all worried about us
Speaker 2: running out of food. They're all worried about us knocking
Speaker 2: down the rainforest, even though they'll knock down the rainforest
Speaker 2: to build a highway so they can get to the
Speaker 2: environmental meeting. They're all going to have the global meeting
Speaker 2: down and I mean, it's just the hypocrisy is insane. Yeah, Brigham,
Speaker 2: But ultimately, if we have more CO two, we get
Speaker 2: encouraged plant growth, which is again good for the rest
Speaker 2: of the world. And there go again more oxygen.
Speaker 7: Well, we'll have to see what happens, because you know
Speaker 7: what the EPA is proposed to do. They have to
Speaker 7: change the regulation because the Obama people put it into place,
Speaker 7: and there is a process that you have to go through,
Speaker 7: and I'm sure this will end up in litigation as well,
Speaker 7: but they're proposing reversing the Obama era endangerment finding that
Speaker 7: classifies CO two as a pollutant. And that's really what
Speaker 7: we're talking about. It's not a pollutant under the Clean
Speaker 7: Air Act.
Speaker 2: Right, it's not. There's no authority within the Clean Air
Speaker 2: Act to regulate something that isn't defined as a pollutant.
Speaker 2: And you can't turn CO two into a pollutant regardless
Speaker 2: of how you want to characterize it. Absolutely. Regaldar Account,
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Speaker 2: Seven twenty here fifty five KERR City Talk Station Brian
Speaker 2: Thomas with Briga McGowan from the Hudson Institut, talking energy
Speaker 2: policy and whether or not Trump's going to be able
Speaker 2: to keep his tariffs in place. He's been very successful
Speaker 2: negotiating tariff and trade arrangements with various countries around the world,
Speaker 2: had recent announcements in the can He heard the top
Speaker 2: of the UR news and knocking him down one by one.
Speaker 2: Question is whether they'll stay in place because there were
Speaker 2: oral arguments in a federal Pellet court yesterday, the going
Speaker 2: in connection with the lower courts ruling that No, Trump
Speaker 2: does not have the legal authority to impose these tariffs.
Speaker 2: It's exclusively within the purview of the legislative branch power
Speaker 2: of the perse kind of stuff, and that his declaration
Speaker 2: of an emergency is insufficient under the circumstances. No, a
Speaker 2: trade imbalance is not worthy of allowing him to have
Speaker 2: all this leeway. So maybe all of this will be eradicated.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to wait and see on that. You know,
Speaker 2: how the wheels of justice are, they spend slowly. But
Speaker 2: in the meantime, the negotiated agreements do include things related
Speaker 2: to well large scale US energy exports like liquid natural gas.
Speaker 2: I mean, what, there's a seven hundred and fifty billion
Speaker 2: dollar trade pledge in the US EU trade deal, Brigham.
Speaker 2: That's significant, there is. That's a lot of money.
Speaker 7: And I think what we tend to forget and I
Speaker 7: do too, frankly, is you know, we talk about a
Speaker 7: trade imbalance that means that we give other countries more
Speaker 7: money than other countries give us for purchasing our goods.
Speaker 2: But you know, whether it's a car, a John.
Speaker 7: Deere tractor, or a raw product like oil or natural gas,
Speaker 7: that counts, right. Somebody else from outside the country's paying
Speaker 7: an American company that brings revenue into the country.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing. That's a whole trade.
Speaker 7: Imbounce right indeed, And so yeah, you know what I
Speaker 7: will what I will give Trump is he is a
Speaker 7: master salesman. He considers himself America's number one promotional salesperson
Speaker 7: of American companies.
Speaker 2: Yes, he would probably self apply that much.
Speaker 7: We probably would pad himself right on the back for that.
Speaker 7: And so whenever he goes around what his view is
Speaker 7: and right or wrong, here's his view.
Speaker 2: His view is, well, you know, after World.
Speaker 7: War two and all, we helped out Europe get back
Speaker 7: on their feed and we kind of gave them good deals. Right,
Speaker 7: we kind of gave him the family discount. But now
Speaker 7: that was almost one hundred years ago, and we continue
Speaker 7: to give people the family discount, and they don't spend
Speaker 7: money where they should spend money, and they spend money
Speaker 7: on their social programs.
Speaker 2: We also happen to act as their police force of
Speaker 2: defending them with our American military, so they don't have
Speaker 2: to spend money for their own security and safety.
Speaker 7: Yes, I've been stationed in Europe myself. I'm sure we
Speaker 7: have military bases all over the globe.
Speaker 2: We do so.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's akin to telling your loving adult child who's
Speaker 7: thirty eight or forty time to move out of the basement.
Speaker 7: Pay for your own stuff, and that involves trade. Hey
Speaker 7: we've been giving you guys such big discounts. We're kicking
Speaker 7: you off the family cell phone bill. Get your own,
Speaker 7: your own account. Yeah, that's what this is. Well, and
Speaker 7: conceptually there's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't make sense logically,
Speaker 7: why would we be giving them the discount. Yeah, well no,
Speaker 7: because they have surpluses. They have money to invest in
Speaker 7: all their pet projects, including the exostential crisis of climate change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, European Union is the business model for the climate
Speaker 2: change alarmist it.
Speaker 7: You know, I just got back from France last month,
Speaker 7: where I speak at an economic conference, and you know,
Speaker 7: the idea of a European free trade block was a
Speaker 7: wonderful idea back when it was the Common Market, but
Speaker 7: it is so far astrayed from its origins into this
Speaker 7: centralized political function in Brussels run by technicocrats and bureaucrats,
Speaker 7: and that should be a harbinger, a warning for America
Speaker 7: of what happens when a federal a centralized bureaucracy of
Speaker 7: unelected people take over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were independent countries with their own independent currencies,
Speaker 2: with their own independent directions thoughts. But they played nicely together.
Speaker 2: And in playing nicely together, because they were closely tight neighbors,
Speaker 2: they decided to get involved in this European Union concept.
Speaker 2: It's like creating a federal government out of whole cloth
Speaker 2: when you had a republic lick of working working together
Speaker 2: states like we have here. You know, we got that
Speaker 2: whole tenth Amendment, you know, with the powers not specifically
Speaker 2: reserve in the federal gun belong to the states, which
Speaker 2: allows us more flexibility and freedom. We can do what
Speaker 2: we want in our individual states. If it's not a
Speaker 2: power reserve of the federal government over there, Brussels is
Speaker 2: basically taken over. They're basically taking over.
Speaker 7: And what's interesting with this US EU trade deal, which
Speaker 7: was made with Brussels, by the way, is that a
Speaker 7: lot of it will stick because Brussels controls a lot
Speaker 7: of you know, controls the tariffs, controls what can be
Speaker 7: sold and you know, to be fair, the Europeans to
Speaker 7: jump up down and scream about America. Yeah, try selling
Speaker 7: agriculture or wine in France. Try sell America of American ort.
Speaker 7: You can't do it right. The German automobile industry hugely
Speaker 7: protected because it's important to them. Okay, got it. But
Speaker 7: what this does is it resets the playing field. It
Speaker 7: rebalances trade, gets American companies more access to European markets.
Speaker 7: Now here's where we're going to have to take away
Speaker 7: and see approaches. It requires Europe to buy more American stuff.
Speaker 7: But will they good question?
Speaker 2: Now, the devil's in the details, and keep your popcorn
Speaker 2: out and see what events unfold as we move forward.
Speaker 2: But if we have something that they don't have, affordable
Speaker 2: liquid natural gas, then they'll buy it from us. In
Speaker 2: a capitalist market where you know, laws of supplying the
Speaker 2: man just actually dominate rather than trade rules, regulations and tariffs.
Speaker 2: If we've got something they want, they will naturally come
Speaker 2: and buy it from us.
Speaker 7: Well, and Brian, you know what happened in Europe is
Speaker 7: you could frack in Europe. Netherlands, the Groniken fields were
Speaker 7: shut down, the North seafields for oil and gas shut down.
Speaker 7: This was their way of burn. This is akin to
Speaker 7: burning the Viking boats on the beast, right, And if
Speaker 7: we just don't use this stuff, something else will pop up. Well,
Speaker 7: now they're realized that something else was actually Russian oil
Speaker 7: and gas. That's not vogue these days, So now their
Speaker 7: economy is contracted significantly. Right, the industrialization of Europe occurred
Speaker 7: after twenty twenty two, and the price of energy went
Speaker 7: through the roof, and it went through the roof, and
Speaker 7: it stayed through the roof because they said, no, we're
Speaker 7: not going to buy long term contracts. We're gonna buy
Speaker 7: stuff on the spot market because we're not gonna need
Speaker 7: it very long. Well, that's the highest price that you
Speaker 7: can pay for energy, exactly. And now they're like, well,
Speaker 7: you know, maybe we ought to get it. I don't know,
Speaker 7: I'm ten twenty thirty year locked in price with America
Speaker 7: for LNG to buy something from US that they used
Speaker 7: to produce themselves that they personally decided they were going
Speaker 7: to cut their own throats and shut off, forcing themselves
Speaker 7: into the position where they now have to buy from US.
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Speaker 2: him a Gowan from the Hudson Institute. He's in studio.
Speaker 2: He's an energy policy expert and senior fellow with the
Speaker 2: Hudson Instituo. Let's move over to India and their dependence on
Speaker 2: Russian oil, how does that impact this whole tariff and
Speaker 2: negotiations and things that are going on because Trump is
Speaker 2: doing everything he can to try to call out Putin
Speaker 2: for his refuse to end this war with Ukraine and
Speaker 2: threatening additional sanctions. So far, Putin's like got his metaphorical
Speaker 2: middle finger rays going yeah, go ahead, try good luck.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It's really interesting because what allows Russia to continue waging
Speaker 7: war against Ukraine is not entirely but substantially driven by money.
Speaker 2: Their trade. Oh, we're just talking about trade.
Speaker 7: And China and India are the two largest purchasers of
Speaker 7: Russian oil despite all the sanctions. The EU just announced
Speaker 7: their eighteenth round of sanctions, which is actually targeting part
Speaker 7: of India's refining capacity. And I had some conversations in
Speaker 7: DC this week with the Indian government and talking about
Speaker 7: trying to get a trade deal. They were putting on
Speaker 7: their full dog and pony show to try to avoid
Speaker 7: the Trump sanction, which did not go well, talking about
Speaker 7: how well, yeah, they used to sort of be aligned
Speaker 7: with Russia, but they would say things like, well, our
Speaker 7: line with Russia has the curve has turned downward, while
Speaker 7: our curve with America is increasing. And the bottom line
Speaker 7: is they say, hey, we just go out and buy oil.
Speaker 7: We just buy cheap oil. And you know, Russian oil
Speaker 7: is pretty cheap, yeah, because it's sanctioned, right, But the
Speaker 7: deal is this, they buy more than they need. They
Speaker 7: went in twenty twenty two from really not even purchasing
Speaker 7: Russian oil to now they purchase forty percent of Russian
Speaker 7: oil exports, twice as much as they need. So they
Speaker 7: refine it and sell it back on the market as diesel,
Speaker 7: jet fuel and gasoline. They're whitewashing Russian oil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like money laundering. They're laundering it. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: they're making a killing our Indian refined gasoline sales subject
Speaker 2: to a sanction.
Speaker 7: They hadn't been until this last mentioned eighteenth round of sanctions.
Speaker 7: So the EU has sanctioned several refineries and has now said, okay,
Speaker 7: you guys have to prove the origin of the oil
Speaker 7: moving forward. Okay, so they're on it, but it took
Speaker 7: a little while. Yeah, well you can listen. Yeah, it's
Speaker 7: like the concept of a loophole in the tax code.
Speaker 7: You know it isn't you know if usually it is
Speaker 7: something that they failed to take into account, but you're
Speaker 7: not breaking the law by using it.
Speaker 2: It just exists. There's a hole that allows them to
Speaker 2: evade the tariff because of the way it was structured.
Speaker 2: So they're plugging the hole apparently. Yeah.
Speaker 7: And you know, on one hand, you can say, well, great,
Speaker 7: you guys are being great capitalists. You're buying oil at
Speaker 7: a disaccount. You're making a killing on your refining margins,
Speaker 7: and boy, that's pretty capitalistic. That makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 7: But what Trump is really saying is, look, the Indian
Speaker 7: market is closed to the US market.
Speaker 2: You don't buy our energy.
Speaker 7: You're dealing in questionable energy products where you know where
Speaker 7: they're coming from, and we want you to buy US energy,
Speaker 7: not Russian.
Speaker 2: Well why are we close to the Indian energy market?
Speaker 2: They made that rule, they said we will not purchase
Speaker 2: US manufactured products.
Speaker 7: Well, there are a couple of different reasons. One, they're
Speaker 7: a part of the bricks Nations right, which was formed
Speaker 7: by eleven countries Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Saudi Aradia,
Speaker 7: Egypt and the UAE. So they're sort of on another team.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, that's all well and good, but if they're
Speaker 2: looking out for their own best interest, which anybody does,
Speaker 2: and we were able to compete in the energy market,
Speaker 2: in other words, we had a mechanism whereby we could
Speaker 2: sell our products and beat the Russian price. Right. Don't
Speaker 2: you think they'd buy default? They would want to work
Speaker 2: with us and buy our stuff if it's better for
Speaker 2: them economically.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they would, except that we can't beat the Russia
Speaker 7: price right because Russia doesn't have an e PA.
Speaker 2: They don't have I get all that. It's like why
Speaker 2: manufacturer moved to China. They don't have anything by way
Speaker 2: of you know, financially expensive rules and regulations and processes
Speaker 2: in place. That makes perfect sense, but just by way
Speaker 2: of principle, we shouldn't be barred as a supplier at
Speaker 2: the outset that shouldn't even be in place.
Speaker 7: That shouldn't be in place, and a lot of our
Speaker 7: products that we want to sell into India have been
Speaker 7: barred India along with the other bricks countries have also
Speaker 7: been pushing an alternative currency to get away from the dollar.
Speaker 7: I know, but you know, India is in a tough spot,
Speaker 7: right They've relied on they had to rely on Russia
Speaker 7: for military and then this was raised like, well, gee,
Speaker 7: Russia's allies as Russia, Russia hasn't come to the assistance
Speaker 7: of anybody since World War Two, to be honest, when
Speaker 7: their allies faltered number one, number two. And I think
Speaker 7: India realizes that the trickier part is China, which is
Speaker 7: right next door to the neighbor and you know they're trying.
Speaker 7: There's a little bit of let's keep peace in the neighborhood,
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Speaker 2: Hudson Institute in Studio. Former federal regulator current energy policy
Speaker 2: advisor leads the initiative. An American Energy Security Hudson Institute
Speaker 2: and also a professor at Miami University. Moving over to hydrogen,
Speaker 2: it's going to save the world, right Brigan, Oh, absolutely,
Speaker 2: you didn't get the memo.
Speaker 7: I just think of the Hindenburg, you know, that would
Speaker 7: be what most people think about, right when we think
Speaker 7: about hydrogen is that catastrophic accident that pretty much killed
Speaker 7: everybody on board. Right, So how is it different and
Speaker 7: better allegedly as a an energy producer than say what
Speaker 7: we're currently used to, which is maybe fossil fuels.
Speaker 2: Well, the idea, and we've been using it for a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 7: We talk about a fuel cell at the International Space
Speaker 7: Station or in the Apollo days. Fuel cells are hydrogen based.
Speaker 7: What we're doing is we're burning it to release energy,
Speaker 7: and fuel cells can generate electricity, and as we know,
Speaker 7: everybody on a certain side of the aisle is into electricity, right,
Speaker 7: we got to electrify everything, yeah, uh huh yeah. And
Speaker 7: so it reacts with oxygen. It produces heat and water
Speaker 7: vapor and in fuel cells, hydrogen oxygen react to electrochemically
Speaker 7: and thereby producing electricity, heat and water. That's the idea.
Speaker 7: The problem with it is it takes more energy to
Speaker 7: make hydrogen than it does from just using whatever the
Speaker 7: initial fuel sources to begin with.
Speaker 2: Right, So quite often hydrogen is made from let's say
Speaker 2: liquid natural gas.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In fact, you use the liquid natural gas and not
Speaker 2: turned into hydrogen, you get more out of it.
Speaker 7: Right, So shocking, We can use it's that's called blue
Speaker 7: hydrogen and using steam methane reforming or something called autothermal
Speaker 7: reforming with carbon capture in storage.
Speaker 2: Oh lord, So by doing that, if you had geothermal,
Speaker 2: if they could drill down far enough to get to
Speaker 2: the high temperatures down below, then you wouldn't have any
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 7: Right, you're producing heat to begin with, because in an
Speaker 7: industrial application we don't really think about this. Let's uh,
Speaker 7: let's go to a an electric power station. We're heating
Speaker 7: water to make steam to turn a turbine that produces electricity. Basically,
Speaker 7: that's that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 7: So uh, if we can just get that naturally occurring
Speaker 7: from the earth where we don't use any energy and
Speaker 7: we have free steam, that's geothermal. It's very promising, and
Speaker 7: in fact, multiple studies have shown you can drill deep
Speaker 7: enough in certain areas to.
Speaker 2: They're doing at all that they're doing right now.
Speaker 7: But Brian, instead, we can make blue hydrogen, and we
Speaker 7: can use two point five times the amount of natural
Speaker 7: gas we would otherwise need. We'll capture the carbon and
Speaker 7: it's called blue hydrogen or or there's a rainbow.
Speaker 2: There's a rainbow. This stuff.
Speaker 7: Green hydrogen is produced most environmentally friendly because we're producing
Speaker 7: it from solar or wind power. Let's see, we've got
Speaker 7: gray hydrogen.
Speaker 2: But if you're getting the power from the solar and
Speaker 2: the wind, like gas production, why not just put that
Speaker 2: into the grid directly, as opposed to transforming it into
Speaker 2: something else. And I presume during that process you lose
Speaker 2: some of the energy you have gotten from the sun
Speaker 2: and the wind turning it into hydrogen.
Speaker 7: Exactly because every physics, every time you go through another step,
Speaker 7: you're losing efficiency and an energy waste, energy, you're interjecting costs.
Speaker 7: That's absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: The whole industrial process that has to be created in
Speaker 2: order to create the hydrogen and that you're taking from
Speaker 2: the source of power, regardless whether it's wind, sol or
Speaker 2: natural gas. Oh, did I mention that.
Speaker 7: There is some debate about this now, But you just
Speaker 7: can't go out into the atmosphere and call hydrogen like
Speaker 7: a dog. It doesn't show up. It's not found by itself.
Speaker 7: It's bound to another chemical which requires energy to split
Speaker 7: it off, and so that's why it's significantly inefficient. But hey, anyway,
Speaker 7: we've got gray hydrogen, we've got brown hydrogen, black hydrogen,
Speaker 7: yellow hydrogen, pink, white, and turquoise. And let me guess
Speaker 7: each and every one of those goes to the exact
Speaker 7: same form of process we just walked through with gas
Speaker 7: or solar wind to produce hydrogen. There's something in between
Speaker 7: that is using up the energy. You're gonna love this one.
Speaker 7: Pink or some people call it purple or red. We're
Speaker 7: using nuclear energy to make hydrogen because that totally makes sense.
Speaker 2: That sounds like the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, some of the stuff's pretty common sense.
Speaker 2: I'm all about nukes.
Speaker 12: Man.
Speaker 2: Any listens to me knows about it. Small modular reactors
Speaker 2: of the wave of the future, small footprints sitting on
Speaker 2: a tiny little piece of land generating unlimited amounts of electricity.
Speaker 2: You don't need to convert that electricity into hydrogen to
Speaker 2: make it work. Just hook the damn thing up to
Speaker 2: the grid.
Speaker 7: Problem solved, Yes, and we are working on that, and
Speaker 7: I don't know if we have time talk about it,
Speaker 7: but we can do.
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Speaker 2: few more words here. On energy policy, you were pivoting over.
Speaker 2: We were talking a little bit about nuclear at the
Speaker 2: tail end of that hydrogen creation conversation. You had a
Speaker 2: few comments you wanted to interject.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was just going to say that, you know,
Speaker 7: I think there has been a huge resurgence in the
Speaker 7: interest in nuclear power, driven by the need for AI
Speaker 7: AI energy security. A point I made in France earlier
Speaker 7: last month was the world has never used a less energy,
Speaker 7: only more. And actually France knows this because they're almost
Speaker 7: eighty percent nuclear power now. And you know when Spain
Speaker 7: in the middle of the day the clouds game and
Speaker 7: the wind stopped and they lost their grid, it was
Speaker 7: actually exporting nuclear power from France and allowed Spain to
Speaker 7: restart their power grid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Pennsylvania producing enough electricity to cover the
Speaker 2: Northeast region who has not been able to produce enough
Speaker 2: of its own electricity. It's kind of sorry state of affairs,
Speaker 2: it really is.
Speaker 7: And you know, after a three mile island, more recently Fukushima,
Speaker 7: the Chernobyl thing, people kind of got you know, don't
Speaker 7: know about nuclear power. But we are now up to
Speaker 7: a Gen three plus design. We just put the first
Speaker 7: two down in Georgia, the Vocal plant. These are one
Speaker 7: hundred percent passive, meaning if you cut all the power,
Speaker 7: it fails safe to safe. And we're only enriching nuclear
Speaker 7: fuel to three to five percent now, which is much
Speaker 7: lower level than before. Remember that conversation about Iran needing
Speaker 7: sixty plus per Yeah, that's I'm raising the flag on
Speaker 7: that one. But and SMRs are even better because these
Speaker 7: small modular reactors are built in factories. We can we
Speaker 7: you know, you approve the license. The problem in America
Speaker 7: is every reactor is different and it goes through a
Speaker 7: different licensing.
Speaker 2: These are like legos. These are like legos.
Speaker 7: So we woke up one day and went, huh, you
Speaker 7: know what, why don't we get in the car approved
Speaker 7: and then we'll just wrap like hat it exactly and
Speaker 7: we don't have to go through all this, bro So.
Speaker 2: We're doing that.
Speaker 7: They can be deployed a different places, they can be
Speaker 7: stacked on top of each other, expanded, and we're looking
Speaker 7: at some of those heading out there pretty quickly, and
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be a real game changer.
Speaker 7: They last fifty plus years.
Speaker 2: Well, they've been powering America's military ships since the nineteen fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: haven't heard any problems with that, have you, Brigham?
Speaker 16: No, we have.
Speaker 2: We haven't.
Speaker 7: Uh huh every submarine, Yeah, every aircraft carrier yep, and
Speaker 7: the one that I landed on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nuclear powered, I know. And they're really fast too.
Speaker 2: They are fast, and they're small. You can fit one
Speaker 2: inside of a ship. Look, hey, they don't have to
Speaker 2: be giant. They don't have to have giant cooling towers
Speaker 2: on them, et cetera, et cetera. And you know what
Speaker 2: if you don't build them in its tsunami zone. You
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about things like Fukushima happening. I'm
Speaker 2: what idiot was in charge of site selection on that one. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean they had a history of tsunamis in Japan,
Speaker 2: I mean going back thousands of years. Duh.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And so you know, concerns about uh where you
Speaker 7: place them, the security of the facility, cyber stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 7: we got to deal with all of that, of course
Speaker 7: you do. And we have to find a place to
Speaker 7: uh put the spent fuel, although some of the new
Speaker 7: reactor fuels one hundred percent. We're into recycling, right, I
Speaker 7: know you can be one hundred percent recycle the fuel.
Speaker 2: No mass such a small mass of quote unquote waste collectively,
Speaker 2: it's yes, just infinitesimal.
Speaker 7: Well, and I don't know if your listeners have heard
Speaker 7: this or not, but even with the old stuff, and
Speaker 7: even with contaminated waste water and other things, all of
Speaker 7: it would fit six feet high on a football field.
Speaker 7: We're not talking for the entire country.
Speaker 2: You see that much brigha mcgallon. Armed with your facts
Speaker 2: that fly in the face of global warming alarmist, I
Speaker 2: appreciate you coming on the program. And doing that. You're pleasure.
Speaker 2: You're always welcome here, Brigham. We'll be looking for your podcast,
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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir for all the work that you do.
Speaker 2: Thanks coming back on real soon, my friend. Enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 2: Don'k away. Bill Sites on property taxes. He was appointed
Speaker 2: by Governor de Wine to head the commission to look
Speaker 2: into ways that they can help us deal with our
Speaker 2: property taxes after vetoing two measures in the budget that
Speaker 2: would have helped us deal to some degree with our
Speaker 2: property taxes. Bill Sites up next.
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Speaker 2: Hi's Ryan Thomas. Please to welcome to the fifty five
Speaker 2: KRC Morning Show former House Minority Speaker Bill Sites, who
Speaker 2: now apparently is going to be leading the panel with
Speaker 2: former Congressman Pat Saberry to help maybe resolve the property
Speaker 2: tax issue we have going on in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2: As my listeners are well aware, we just did the
Speaker 2: budget in the state of Ohio contained three provisions which
Speaker 2: I have been referring to as sort of baby steps
Speaker 2: toward property tax reform to help less than the burden
Speaker 2: of the property tax that we're all facing for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: and I don't necessarily know why. Maybe Bill can address
Speaker 2: the question. Governor to Wine vetoed all three of them,
Speaker 2: which brought the legislative branch back. They overrode one of
Speaker 2: the three, but tabled the other because it looked like
Speaker 2: they didn't have the votes to override the veto. They
Speaker 2: may revote on that at some point, but in the meantime,
Speaker 2: Governor de Wine formed the Property Tax Reform Working Group,
Speaker 2: which Bill Sites is a member of. Bill, you congratulations
Speaker 2: on the apployment. I guess. Let me start out by
Speaker 2: wondering a question that a lot of folks have been asking,
Speaker 2: is it really necessary? My understanding is they've been working
Speaker 2: on property tax reform measures and ideas and formulating lists
Speaker 2: of them for well over a year now, and that's
Speaker 2: where those three that were incorporated in the budget came from.
Speaker 2: So do you know why to Wine vetoed them and
Speaker 2: why we need to continue discussing this. Hasn't this work
Speaker 2: been done already? Bill Sites Okay.
Speaker 5: Let's start with the fact that, yes, there has been
Speaker 5: work done by the legislator branch. Yes, they studied the issue.
Speaker 5: There were, however, no members of local government on the
Speaker 5: Legislative Study Committee. The Legislative Study Committee did come out
Speaker 5: with recommendations. There are twenty one recommendations, many of which
Speaker 5: contain the kernels of good ideas. But they said in
Speaker 5: their report I'm quoting some proposals may contradict others end quote,
Speaker 5: and they made no effort to prioritize among the twenty
Speaker 5: one recommendations which ones should be pursued. So we view
Speaker 5: our job first as expanding upon those twenty one recommendations,
Speaker 5: putting meat on the bones, and trying to deliver as
Speaker 5: much property tax relief as we can without breaking the
Speaker 5: bank of the state and putting too much state money
Speaker 5: behind it. Why did the wind detailed three? Well, number
Speaker 5: one you probably have to ask him, but to my understanding,
Speaker 5: the reason was that he thought the measures were flawed
Speaker 5: in their language and that they created too much uncertainty
Speaker 5: and fiscal stress on units of local government. I'll give you,
Speaker 5: and you know, I'll give you an example. They voted
Speaker 5: to eliminate are They voted to prevent emergency levees and
Speaker 5: substitute levees from being excluded from the twenty mil floor. Okay,
Speaker 5: that's fine, but they want to apply that principle to
Speaker 5: existing levees, and I think we have a problem with
Speaker 5: us because it's tantamount to changing the rules in the
Speaker 5: middle of the game. If the levee is a five
Speaker 5: year levee and it still has three years to run,
Speaker 5: it should be allowed to run out and expire before
Speaker 5: we go ahead and change the calculation of the twenty
Speaker 5: mil floor. Another example, they voted to totally eliminate emergency levees,
Speaker 5: replacement levees, and substitute levees. I'm for eliminating replacement levees,
Speaker 5: I'm for eliminating substitute levees, but I'm really not for
Speaker 5: eliminating emergency levees. Because the Property Taxpayer Coalition said, and
Speaker 5: I quote that should be limited, that we should limit
Speaker 5: the definition, okay, to a true emergency and then limited
Speaker 5: to a certain period of time. I agree with that.
Speaker 5: There could be true emergencies. For example, what if the
Speaker 5: Kerk County floods happened in Ohio for example, what about
Speaker 5: some natural disaster, for example, what if the levee did
Speaker 5: not pass, the district would be thrown into fiscal emergency
Speaker 5: and subject to state takeover. So I think we can
Speaker 5: do what they wanted, but make a slight.
Speaker 12: Change to that language.
Speaker 11: I view.
Speaker 5: Our job is building upon what the legislature has done.
Speaker 5: We are not trying to undo it. We're trying to
Speaker 5: refine it.
Speaker 2: Now. I guess one of the concerns has got to
Speaker 2: be looming large. Is this repeal all property tax constitutional
Speaker 2: amendment that's they're circulating right now, trying to get it
Speaker 2: on the ballot. Does this work that you are working on,
Speaker 2: and do you anticipate the work getting completed and giving
Speaker 2: us some property tax relief through any whatever measures are
Speaker 2: presented in advance of that, Because that's looming large, and
Speaker 2: it's possible that the voters in Ohio, if nothing's done,
Speaker 2: might very well vote for that, and then you talk
Speaker 2: about chaos. I'm not quite even sure how that would be,
Speaker 2: how it would work in the aftermath.
Speaker 5: Well, that's an excellent point. The governor has given us
Speaker 5: a deadline of September thirtieth, that you come up with
Speaker 5: our enhanced recommendations. That's a very tight timeframe, so we
Speaker 5: are working very diligently to meet that objective. That's number one.
Speaker 5: The reason why he picked September thirty if is the
Speaker 5: legislature is coming back into session in early October, and
Speaker 5: so if they care to take up our recommendations, there
Speaker 5: would be plenty of time to do it. The repeal
Speaker 5: of the property tax initiative would not be on the
Speaker 5: ballot until November twenty twenty six at the earliest, and
Speaker 5: you're right, it would cause absolute chaos because the property
Speaker 5: taxes in Ohio. I'm out up to twenty three b
Speaker 5: with a billion dollars, all of which goes to local services.
Speaker 5: None of that money goes to the state. It is
Speaker 5: for local police and fire and parks, and senior citizens services,
Speaker 5: and mental health services and developmental disability services and schools.
Speaker 5: So eliminating twenty three billion dollars would obviously do great
Speaker 5: damage to all of those local services on which people depend.
Speaker 5: And it would create another problem, what do you replace
Speaker 5: that revenue? Gest you would need it. If we've done
Speaker 5: great work, Brian and cutting the income tax I was
Speaker 5: there in twenty four years. We took the income tax
Speaker 5: bracket in Ohio that used to be nine brackets and
Speaker 5: a match tax rate of over eight percent. During my tenure,
Speaker 5: we took it down to two brackets, three point five
Speaker 5: percent and two point seven five percent. And so we
Speaker 5: made tremendous strides there, and the legislature just took another
Speaker 5: great stride forward and cutting it to a flat tax
Speaker 5: of two point seven five percent. I don't see the
Speaker 5: legislature being at all interested in raising income taxes again
Speaker 5: when we are so cloked to having achieved that goal.
Speaker 2: Well, and what of a practice? Well, real que of
Speaker 2: the problems with income taxes? Only property or income tax
Speaker 2: only people who work are paying them, and property taxes
Speaker 2: only people who own property are are are are paying them.
Speaker 2: But yet you have a whole host of people who
Speaker 2: are enjoying the benefits of all these services that are
Speaker 2: funded by property taxes that aren't paying them. How about
Speaker 2: I mean, I've heard this issue. I've even thrown it out.
Speaker 2: Increasing the sales tax a little bit, so literally everyone
Speaker 2: who buys anything in the state of Ohio is participating
Speaker 2: in paying for government services. The problem that presents for
Speaker 2: me is that's a giant pile of money that ends
Speaker 2: up in Columbus that will be responsible for choosing and
Speaker 2: picking how much money goes to any given entity.
Speaker 5: Well, that's a very good observation. And let me just
Speaker 5: say this, you would need a statewide sales tax rate
Speaker 5: of something approaching twenty percent if you were to replace
Speaker 5: that twenty three billion dollars with an increased sales tax.
Speaker 5: And for those of us who live here in Hamilton
Speaker 5: County on the border to Kentucky, on the border to Indiana,
Speaker 5: people would vote with their feet and buy their goods
Speaker 5: and services in Kentucky. They would not pay twenty percent
Speaker 5: in Ohio. In general, I agree with you consumption taxes
Speaker 5: are preferable to income and property taxes. But frankly, I
Speaker 5: always thought the income tax was the principle evil to
Speaker 5: be avoided because we've had property taxes in Ohio since
Speaker 5: the eighteen thirties. The income tax didn't arise until Governor
Speaker 5: Goes Illigan brought it to us in the early seventies.
Speaker 5: And you know, we've viewed that as the principal target. Now,
Speaker 5: there's a lot we can do, a lot we can recommend,
Speaker 5: For example, why don't we let folks who are senior
Speaker 5: citizens and disabled homeowners, why don't we give them some
Speaker 5: tax relief, either in the form of an enhanced homestead
Speaker 5: exemption or in the form of some sort of a
Speaker 5: deal where you pay up to x percent of their
Speaker 5: income and anything on top of that the state will
Speaker 5: pick up, perhaps with the obligation on the part of
Speaker 5: the homeowner that when they die or move out of
Speaker 5: the house, they have to pay it back. So that
Speaker 5: would be kind of a no cost option to the
Speaker 5: state while providing relief to the homeowner during the homeowner's
Speaker 5: occupancy of that house. There's an idea for you. How
Speaker 5: about letting people instead of paying their taxes in big
Speaker 5: chunks twice a year January and June, saying we're going
Speaker 5: to give you a monthly payment plan. Yes, there might
Speaker 5: have to be some interest factor applied to that, because
Speaker 5: you're not getting all the money up front. But I
Speaker 5: think one of the reasons people hate property taxes is
Speaker 5: you get this job smackingly large bill twice a year.
Speaker 5: If it was spread out into more manageable payments, you
Speaker 5: would probably have fewer delinquencies and less outrage over property taxes.
Speaker 5: So there's a whole lot of great ideas like that.
Speaker 5: And our group contains school superintendents, county commissioners, county auditors,
Speaker 5: county treasurers, mayors, business people like Congressman te Berry, and
Speaker 5: me as a former legislator and tax payer and property
Speaker 5: owner for twenty four years in the state legislature. So
Speaker 5: we're going to do our best to build on what
Speaker 5: the legislature has done, to suggest refinement of some of
Speaker 5: what they have done, and to agree with them that
Speaker 5: more needs to be done. We totally agree with that.
Speaker 5: There's a great bill that's pending up there called House
Speaker 5: Bill one eighty six. I heard one of the leaders
Speaker 5: in the House say that bill has to pass. I
Speaker 5: completely agree that bill has to pass. So there's not
Speaker 5: as much division between the legislature and at least me
Speaker 5: as might be perceived, I agree with much of what
Speaker 5: they want to do.
Speaker 2: So fair enough, Bill sides, appreciate your insight on this.
Speaker 2: We'll very much look forward with bated breath the reforms
Speaker 2: that you recommend and how quickly the legislative branch acts
Speaker 2: on them. Of course, you know it, I know it.
Speaker 2: Everybody in Ohio knows that our property tax bills just
Speaker 2: keep going up and up and up, and we're all
Speaker 2: demanding some form of relief. I wish you all the
Speaker 2: best in the world getting that relief to the property
Speaker 2: taxpayer bill.
Speaker 5: Thanks, Brian, appreciate it. It'll be a large task, but
Speaker 5: we're willing to try to get that done.
Speaker 2: I'm certain you are. Bill. Look forward to talking with
Speaker 2: you again when you get something out on paper. Channel
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Speaker 2: I hope you have a wonderful weekend. Who gets some
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Speaker 2: calling this morning. Welcome to the Morning Show.
Speaker 14: Good morning. I have a very simple question that I
Speaker 14: would have loved for mister Sites to answer. If I
Speaker 14: is a property tax owner, have paid off my mortgage,
Speaker 14: so nothing on my property anymore? Why should I continue
Speaker 14: to pay tax on it?
Speaker 2: Well, I think for the reasons he articulated, we've been
Speaker 2: relying on property tax now since the eighteen hundreds to
Speaker 2: fund all of the local services that we think we
Speaker 2: need from government. Money's got to come from some place. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and some people keep voting for them.
Speaker 14: Right, I understand that. But if I own my property outright,
Speaker 14: why should that I continue to pay tax on something.
Speaker 4: That I own?
Speaker 14: Well, that is light out against the constitution and what
Speaker 14: are founding fathers believe.
Speaker 2: Well, you can make that argument, but the reality is,
Speaker 2: because as a homeowner in a given township or political district,
Speaker 2: you get the benefit of the school system, the parks,
Speaker 2: the recreation, the fire department, the police department. Somebody's got
Speaker 2: to pay for it. You're getting the benefits by having
Speaker 2: them there, so you, as a citizen of the community responsible.
Speaker 2: That's why I say, you know, the consumption tax is
Speaker 2: a better way of looking at it. Everyone benefits from
Speaker 2: all these things that are funded by property tax ergo,
Speaker 2: everyone should be paying for them. But his point was,
Speaker 2: and I haven't, but I haven't done the math on it.
Speaker 2: That's why out Loud said the sales tax, because that
Speaker 2: obviously would impose the burden on everybody who buys something.
Speaker 2: He says, you'd have to raise the twenty percent. I
Speaker 2: haven't ever heard a number prior to my conversation with
Speaker 2: Bill Sites that will be required to make up for
Speaker 2: the loss of the so called twenty three billion dollars
Speaker 2: in tax revenue gotten from the property tax. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that figures actually, Dave, I agree with you.
Speaker 14: I'm a libertarian like you and I and this is
Speaker 14: I'm some of this is just gonna stop.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I share your philosophy about it. I
Speaker 2: own my house. My wife and I own our house outright,
Speaker 2: we have for a number of years. I own it,
Speaker 2: but I don't because of what your point is, Because
Speaker 2: if I don't pay the property tax, they can come
Speaker 2: in and convict me, or put a lean on my house,
Speaker 2: or you know, take legal steps because of my fare
Speaker 2: to pay property taxes. There in lies a challenge, you
Speaker 2: feel like, and it really is a factual reality that
Speaker 2: you don't really own your property because you're always subject
Speaker 2: to this financial obligation. But again, moving away from that,
Speaker 2: I agree with that conceptually, but I do get the
Speaker 2: benefits of the Simms Township patrols. I do get the
Speaker 2: benefit of the fire department. I do get the benefit
Speaker 2: of the schools. My kids went to the Loveland School
Speaker 2: District with my taxes funded in part. And you know
Speaker 2: they're successful adults at this point, or at least semi successful,
Speaker 2: depending upon your But you know, somebody's got to pay
Speaker 2: for that stuff. But the fact the challenge though, and
Speaker 2: I go back to the point I made with Bill Sitz.
Speaker 2: The challenge is, let's say you legitimately could substitute with
Speaker 2: a reasonable increase in something like a sales tax. Let's
Speaker 2: say a percent would actually cover the nut. And you
Speaker 2: know the problem is all that money ends up in Columbus.
Speaker 2: Columbus collects all that sales tax revenue, and then they're
Speaker 2: going to be the ones subject to the feeding frenzy
Speaker 2: in the lobbyists and every municipality in the entire state
Speaker 2: going to Columbus and trying to argue for why their district,
Speaker 2: their schools, their fire department, or whatever is worthy of
Speaker 2: more money or not, as the case may be. You know,
Speaker 2: we would have put a levy on, but you took
Speaker 2: that ability away for most You got rid of the
Speaker 2: property tax, and now we got a sales tax. We
Speaker 2: need twenty million dollars or our schools are going to
Speaker 2: shut down in line with a whole bunch of other
Speaker 2: school districts, fire departments or police departments, whatever, standing a
Speaker 2: line around a corner in Columbus, waiting to make the
Speaker 2: same damn argument over a finite supply of money collected
Speaker 2: from the proper of the sales tax. Complicated. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: think it's complicated. Now, if you went down that road,
Speaker 2: look how complicated it would be. And look how much
Speaker 2: power that would put in the hands of our elected
Speaker 2: officials and Columbus to be the ones making the determination
Speaker 2: on who gets how much. That's a frightening increase in
Speaker 2: their power, plus at a massive increase in the amount
Speaker 2: of work that they will be responsible for doing, and
Speaker 2: the headaches that would be created among our elected officials.
Speaker 2: They're not going down that road. I guarantee you appreciate
Speaker 2: the call, man, I mean, this is this worthwhile exchange
Speaker 2: of ideas. We're working on it right now. Obviously, eight
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Speaker 2: The talk station A third down a Friday Abbey Friday
Speaker 2: five one, three, seven four fifty two to three talk stirring
Speaker 2: up the controversy about property tax has got a few
Speaker 2: callers online. We're going to start in the order in
Speaker 2: which they received, which means, Bill, you are first, Thanks
Speaker 2: for calling this morning.
Speaker 12: Why are you doing today?
Speaker 2: Doing great? Bill? What's on your mind today?
Speaker 12: You know? Uh? Yes, tax or income tax. Rather, we
Speaker 12: might look to Florida and Tennessee to see how they're
Speaker 12: handling their other taxes because they're doing well without without
Speaker 12: a sales or without am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I kicked myself. That was a recorded interview.
Speaker 2: I recorded that a couple of days ago after the show,
Speaker 2: and I kicked myself at the time when we were
Speaker 2: done with the interview that I didn't ask about that
Speaker 2: if part of the study group was actually looking at
Speaker 2: other states that have no income tax and how they
Speaker 2: deal with property taxes. And I think, I guess I
Speaker 2: might imagine there's some states out there that don't have
Speaker 2: any property tax and how they deal with it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a worthy exercise. I would say, definitely, Bill Florida.
Speaker 12: Is looking to elemate their property taxes too.
Speaker 2: Wow. I guess they generate a lot of revenue with
Speaker 2: income and other taxes in order to well close the gap.
Speaker 2: And I imagine they probably don't have as many state
Speaker 2: run services. You know, we always think we can't live
Speaker 2: without this service that service, but every year we just
Speaker 2: keep growing and growing and there's just one more thing
Speaker 2: that government runs that need to be funded. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a worthy analysis. I'm glad you called and brought
Speaker 2: that up, Bill, and I hope they do engage in
Speaker 2: that process. Man on the same topic, go ahead.
Speaker 12: I still would like to have Simms Township see too.
Speaker 2: He got my vote, thank you for My wife is
Speaker 2: listening right now and I'm sure she's nodding an approval. Bill.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Let's see what Jeff's got. Jeff, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Morning Show. Happy Friday to you.
Speaker 17: Hey, yeah, you doing Brian. I'm a long time listener,
Speaker 17: first time caller.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you doing that.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm good.
Speaker 17: I'm a Florida resident and I listened to your show.
Speaker 17: iHeartRadio a pre regular basis. But then comment on the
Speaker 17: comment on the sales tax thing is basically you're talking
Speaker 17: about Columbus getting all the sales tax money.
Speaker 2: But I mean, nothing new here that you don't know.
Speaker 17: But Hamilton County can throw a tax on top of
Speaker 17: the sales tax, as could the individual municipalities to generate,
Speaker 17: so you wouldn't necessarily have to go Yeah, put all
Speaker 17: that central power in Columbus true by ditributing the sales
Speaker 17: tax appropriately.
Speaker 2: And I get that as a concept, and you know
Speaker 2: I should have react to the site's comment about going
Speaker 2: to drive you know, we in Hamilton County. Yes, can
Speaker 2: drive to Kentucky or Indiana to conveniently buy something at
Speaker 2: a lower sales tax rate. But what are the people
Speaker 2: in Franklin County do I mean They're going to drive,
Speaker 2: you know, three hours to get to a different state.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Hamilton County. If our commissioners decided we're
Speaker 2: going to get the revenue in Hamilton County, we're going
Speaker 2: to raise a sales tax from seven and a half
Speaker 2: or whatever to nine, then folks in Hamilton County to
Speaker 2: drive to Claremont County, Warren County, or Butler County. So
Speaker 2: it's it's your buying habits. You got that right. They
Speaker 2: also change the where they want to live habits in
Speaker 2: that regard to people might choose to move out of
Speaker 2: Hamilton County and drive.
Speaker 17: To Claremont countyas have consequences.
Speaker 2: Right amen? Brother? Have we learned that I live.
Speaker 17: In Florida, I'm actively employed and I work for Fifth
Speaker 17: Third Bank, and guess what, I don't pay income tax?
Speaker 2: So thank you guys, are benefits and you seem to
Speaker 2: be doing quite well in Florida too.
Speaker 17: We seen I live in South Florida, which obviously you know,
Speaker 17: is a very conservative area.
Speaker 2: That's like Cincinnati. South Naples, Florida is like the second
Speaker 2: city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 17: Did we even have a skyline? And so yes, I definitely.
Speaker 2: Jeff Man, I'm tickled that you listen from Florida. Brother,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Appreciate your comments as well, and
Speaker 2: thanks for calling in. Feel free to do it again.
Speaker 2: We can get to Chuck now, Chuck, Welcome to the
Speaker 2: Morning Show. Happy Friday.
Speaker 4: Hey Brian, thanks taking my call. Hope you're doing well.
Speaker 2: I am, and I hope I can say you can
Speaker 2: say the same.
Speaker 18: Absolutely some of I switch gears a little bit. I'm
Speaker 18: still not getting over this incident in downtown Cincinnati last
Speaker 18: weekend with the jazz festival. I know they don't want
Speaker 18: to correlate the two, but obviously for the last seven
Speaker 18: or eight years, I just watched this YouTube and Matt
Speaker 18: Walsh breaks it down very well. For the last seven
Speaker 18: or eight years, they have pushed the African American or
Speaker 18: black agenda only shopping at at those retail stores. This
Speaker 18: has been going on for quite some time, so it's
Speaker 18: all correlated. And you know, I bought a burner this
Speaker 18: week because I want to make sure when I go downtown,
Speaker 18: me and my loved ones are protected.
Speaker 2: We'll be careful with that burner. I've seen some online
Speaker 2: videos that suggest in some circumstances, most notably when drugs
Speaker 2: and narcotics are involved, may not have sufficient stopping power
Speaker 2: or impact to accomplish your objective. Just FYI, that's a
Speaker 2: good point. Yeah, a good point. Yeah, I understand your decision.
Speaker 2: But remember it doesn't work in all cases. And that's
Speaker 2: the only reason you know. That's why I'm a regular
Speaker 2: concealed carry holder, because you know it's deadly in all
Speaker 2: circumstances as long as you know how to properly use it.
Speaker 2: Appreciate your comments. So, Chuck and I got a couple
Speaker 2: of more developments to talk about along those lines. Pause.
Speaker 2: We'll come back in here in a moment. It's eight
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Speaker 2: Thirty nine, Happy Friday. You feel for your call five
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Speaker 2: try mediapp so you can stream the audio from Florida
Speaker 2: wherever you happen to be. I think it's so cool
Speaker 2: when people from out of state listen to the program.
Speaker 2: Just tickles me to death. So opportunity to do that,
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Speaker 2: stream right there from her cell phone while she works
Speaker 2: in the morning. Anyway, Tech Friday with Dave had her
Speaker 2: on earlier. Got some great subjects with Dave as always
Speaker 2: bring him account full hour of conversation about energy policy
Speaker 2: and studio. My conversation there on the podcast page with
Speaker 2: Bill sites on property taxes fifty five KRC dot com. Now,
Speaker 2: I started out the program talking about this follow up
Speaker 2: from Victoria Parks councilwoman Parks who said on a social
Speaker 2: media post that the the at least the two that
Speaker 2: we know of that got the beat down. She said
Speaker 2: they deserved a beatdown. Notice the word they they deserved
Speaker 2: a beat down. Now you've probably seen the viral video
Speaker 2: that's gone global. We don't at this point a moment
Speaker 2: in time, know exactly who or what started the altercation
Speaker 2: between the two guys that were obviously having a dispute
Speaker 2: with each other that led to this violent melee, including
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of people that had no connection apparently
Speaker 2: with that argument. Her response to the controversy that she
Speaker 2: stirred up by making that just really awful post, they
Speaker 2: deserved a beat down. She turned to freedom of speech
Speaker 2: in this country. She said, we have freedom of speech. However,
Speaker 2: you may not run into a crowded theater and scream fire,
Speaker 2: and that suggested that that's the Supreme Court Justice Oliver
Speaker 2: Wendel Holmes back in nineteen nineteen pointed that out in
Speaker 2: connection with the First Amendment, that yelling fire in a
Speaker 2: crowded theater isn't protected. Why because you might start a
Speaker 2: may a rush for the doors, people might get trampled.
Speaker 2: You're creating chaos through a statement like that, and there
Speaker 2: may not be enough time for people to interject additional
Speaker 2: speech into the conversation to point out that no, in fact,
Speaker 2: there isn't a fire. But now see this is her
Speaker 2: failure to understand and concepts of simple rather concepts of
Speaker 2: law using the fire in a crowded room analogy, and
Speaker 2: I do believe she thinks that maybe the N word
Speaker 2: was used her comment he was in a crowded he
Speaker 2: referring to the guy that got the beat down, most
Speaker 2: notably focusing on the guy, the guy that was involved
Speaker 2: the initial altercation, the guy who got knocked down in
Speaker 2: the middle of the street and started getting kicked in
Speaker 2: the head, and in the chest and the stomach, and
Speaker 2: getting punched, continuing and repeatedly, in spite of the fact
Speaker 2: that he couldn't defend himself. He was in a crowded
Speaker 2: theater and he screamed fire. She said, there are unintended consequences,
Speaker 2: but that's what happens. So she's defending the beat down
Speaker 2: because of maybe the utterance of a word that is controversial,
Speaker 2: the yelling fire in a crowded theater. That does not
Speaker 2: excuse you from committing criminal acts against the person who
Speaker 2: uttered the word fire. As I pointed out this morning,
Speaker 2: if you're in a crowded room and someone yells fire
Speaker 2: and people get up, that does not give you the
Speaker 2: right to start punching the person next to you in
Speaker 2: the face or shooting them, or committing violent acts against them.
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with the word that was uttered.
Speaker 2: There is no justification. Your life is not under a threat.
Speaker 2: You're not entitled to use violence and maybe even deadly
Speaker 2: force in response to the utterance of any word or syllable.
Speaker 2: Now pivoting over to another very charged and well strong
Speaker 2: reaction to this idiot, I will call him in Ross Township.
Speaker 2: One of the trustees now has refused to resign because
Speaker 2: he used a racial slur on social media. While discussing
Speaker 2: the violence downtown. David Young shared a video what police
Speaker 2: are calling a violent attack downtown Sunday. That's the one
Speaker 2: we've been speaking about. Quote. I can only read part
Speaker 2: of it. Ten on one is n word fun close quote.
Speaker 2: You cannot defend that statement. That stateman since been removed
Speaker 2: from his social media account. He's refusing to step down
Speaker 2: in his position as trustee in spite of the fact
Speaker 2: that everybody's outraged by it, and I think expressing outrage
Speaker 2: against that is fine. Does his utterance of that word,
Speaker 2: essentially yelling fire in a crowded room on social media,
Speaker 2: allow us, maybe his fellow trustees to start wailing on
Speaker 2: him and physically assaulting him, battering him. No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Can we condemn him with words, Absolutely, That's what's being
Speaker 2: done a lot on social media. That's why they're calling
Speaker 2: for his resignation. But it doesn't prohibit criminal or doesn't
Speaker 2: allow for criminal activity in response to it. Clearly where
Speaker 2: Victoria Park's argument and suggestion just flies right off the rails.
Speaker 2: In other words, it doesn't make any sense to try
Speaker 2: to draw a parallel between the two. No, Victoria Parks,
Speaker 2: your comment is inexcusable. No, those folks did not deserve
Speaker 2: the beatdown. And I would argue even if that guy
Speaker 2: was full enough in a crowd of black people to
Speaker 2: use that word. And I'm not suggesting he did, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but if he was fool enough to use
Speaker 2: that word in that crowd, you know, you think a
Speaker 2: forward thinking person might think, you know, I might get
Speaker 2: subject to a beatdown. You might would that beatdown be lawful? No,
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Speaker 2: got a little bit more time. If you'd like to
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Speaker 3: Right back, fifty five KRC.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a smile on my face, a red loses.
Speaker 4: Tea calling me.
Speaker 2: Of course. It's a wonderful world. It's Friday, covered at
Speaker 2: nine o'clock and the mic goes off and I begin
Speaker 2: my weekend. I'm looking forward to the weekend. Got a
Speaker 2: great charity event I'm going to be speaking at tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Got some time off, and we got some good friends
Speaker 2: coming in from out of town, out of Chicago. We're
Speaker 2: going to be visiting with us on Monday. I got
Speaker 2: that to look forward to. So find something positive in
Speaker 2: your world to look forward to and ignore some of
Speaker 2: the chaos for a while. You deserve it. Let's go
Speaker 2: to the phone see what Brian's got to say this morning. Brian,
Speaker 2: thanks for calling. Happy Friday to you.
Speaker 6: Hey, Brian, thanks for taking the call. A longtime listener,
Speaker 6: first time call her.
Speaker 4: So I heard you.
Speaker 6: Talk about the you know, the guy that took the
Speaker 6: beat down in Cincinnati. And I've heard this like numerous
Speaker 6: times and on up if you watch other videos, ye,
Speaker 6: there's not just one guy. There's two other guys that
Speaker 6: are getting a beat down in the background, yeah along
Speaker 6: you know the young one, the lady that got punched
Speaker 6: at the end of it there, but and the two
Speaker 6: guys that uh were attacked, you know, outside of that
Speaker 6: main video, right, the one guy was the one guy
Speaker 6: was robbed, he.
Speaker 5: Took his wallet.
Speaker 4: Well, I heard an interview not getting talked about.
Speaker 2: Well, Bernie Morena actually raised something interesting. He said yesterday
Speaker 2: in an interview with Laura Ingram that he had talked
Speaker 2: to five victims in this Now we only know about
Speaker 2: the two that have been widely discussed. And someone told
Speaker 2: me independence say they had listened to the interview. I
Speaker 2: have not, so please do not quote this as gospel
Speaker 2: that Morena's point was they didn't want to go public
Speaker 2: with the fact that they got beat down because they
Speaker 2: didn't want their lives in jeopardy. They want to have
Speaker 2: their names broadcast all over the place, and I certainly
Speaker 2: in this day and age, can understand why they might
Speaker 2: not want to have that happen. So, yeah, I'm a
Speaker 2: where there's other videos and that maybe other people are victims.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's you know, I just that I just
Speaker 6: wanted to bring that up there. Everybody keeps talking about
Speaker 6: that one guy, but there's there's a lot more than
Speaker 6: just one guy that got it. You know, the one
Speaker 6: video this guy they showed the guy like dropping an
Speaker 6: elbow on the guy in the.
Speaker 4: Middle of the street.
Speaker 6: It's like only trapped. Yeah, so I just wanted to
Speaker 6: bring that up.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you did, Brian. I appreciate you. Feel free
Speaker 2: to call it anytime. I'm glad you tell you took
Speaker 2: the time to do so today. Yeah, I'm going back
Speaker 2: to my point about the they deserve the beat down.
Speaker 2: It didn't. I emphasized the word they in there, but
Speaker 2: it's critical to point out, does anybody believe that woman
Speaker 2: that is identified as Holly, the one who's face is
Speaker 2: circulating on social media, that got horrifically beaten, punched in
Speaker 2: the face squarely when she was not representing a threat
Speaker 2: or saying anything she deserved a beatdown. Huh contemplate that
Speaker 2: one one, Jay, Welcome to the Morning Show. Happy Friday
Speaker 2: to you, Hey.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Brian.
Speaker 13: Hey.
Speaker 16: The next election is going to be very telling right now,
Speaker 16: the city of Cincinnati for decades, and let's say just
Speaker 16: for the.
Speaker 4: Past eight years or whenever George Floyd came.
Speaker 16: On, it has been the sanctuary city Dei Teresa Thigi,
Speaker 16: revolving prosecutor, soft on crime, George Floyd, defund police George Floyd.
Speaker 13: It is the.
Speaker 19: Opposite of mega and which means that the people of
Speaker 19: Cincinnati like the current trajectory. And if this doesn't change
Speaker 19: that trajectory, nothing will it. And it will verify that
Speaker 19: the millions of people in the city of Cincinnati like
Speaker 19: things just the way they are, thank you very much,
Speaker 19: which which I think is what we're seeing with the
Speaker 19: statements coming out of the Mayor's office with Missus Iris
Speaker 19: and and what's coming out of city council, racist comments
Speaker 19: coming from from those city departments. It seems to me
Speaker 19: that the city, the people of Cincinnati, the citizens have
Speaker 19: an overwhelming majority on City council, Mayor's office, all of it,
Speaker 19: they own all of it. I guess in a free country,
Speaker 19: people have the right to choose, and I'm going to
Speaker 19: put it at the feed of the people of Cincinnati.
Speaker 16: Is this what you want? Because it appears to me
Speaker 16: this is what you want. So we'll see in the
Speaker 16: next election. But if we look back in time, it's
Speaker 16: been decades we've been heading in this trajectory.
Speaker 11: This is not new.
Speaker 16: This is the output of everything that I just talked
Speaker 16: about from the George Floyd defund the police DEI put
Speaker 16: it all together, and there it is, folks, right there
Speaker 16: in that video, there's your output. Pops resigning out of frustration,
Speaker 16: chasing the same bad guys because prosecutors won't walk them up.
Speaker 16: Now you have a shortage of cops, the justice systems
Speaker 16: on its last strand there's the output.
Speaker 2: So we'll well. And we also have history as a
Speaker 2: guide because we can see the same thing happened in Portland,
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and San Francisco and every other city
Speaker 2: who's tried to decriminalize crime. H it's a good point.
Speaker 2: Keep your popcorn out. Elections have consequences. You have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to have significant change on council and you don't
Speaker 2: have to vote Republican. You got some charter rights. Scott
Speaker 2: there Steve Gooden, for example, wouldn't he be a wonderful, wonderful,
Speaker 2: refreshing alternative to the current makeup. Yeah, there's an option.
Speaker 2: And of course there's always Corey Bowman. You can give
Speaker 2: him a shot. And why not. Anyhow, problems Absolutely, people
Speaker 2: are going to pack their bags and move. We saw
Speaker 2: that happen a lot after CO or during COVID with
Speaker 2: New York and California. And yeah, if you have the
Speaker 2: means and wherewithal and ability to make a choice, you
Speaker 2: move out of a dangerous location. You go someplace. Well
Speaker 2: like that local businessman preferred in the Enquirer who has
Speaker 2: moved or is moving his downtown business to Blue Ash
Speaker 2: the last straw? What happened on Saturday morning? Anyhow? Tech
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