Speaker 1: All right, welcome into Full Court Press. Sorry we are
a couple of minutes late. We could not get my
microphone to work, and what good is a show if
you can't hear me?
Speaker 2: But it looks like we've resolved that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for everyone that tuned in last night to
get the bracket discussion started. We myself, Rob Vino, Kelly Stewart,
Steve Merrill, Brian Power. We watched the bracket unfold in
real time. I was not happy, Rob when I saw
Sianna get a sixteen seed right out of the gate,
not even any suspense, just oh, here you go. You're
gonna play the best team in college basketball.
Speaker 2: I thought they should have been a fifteen. But that's
either here and are there?
Speaker 3: Rob.
Speaker 1: We've now had a night to sort of let the
matchup set in. The odds have populated. I have still
not made a bet yet on the NCAA tournament. So
my question to you is, well, first of all, how's
it going this morning? How'd you do yesterday? And second
of all, have you bet anything yet?
Speaker 3: All right, so first of all, things are good now
that we're we can hear each other, Adam, it was
kind of crazy there for a minute, but we're all
good now. Last night was fun time. Guys. If you
did not catch it last night, go back. Maybe we
can post the link inside the chat here. You can
go back and review what we talked about for two hours.
Really good conversation, really good insight from as Adam mentioned himself,
Brian Power, Kelly Stewart, Steve Merrill, and myself as we
reacted immediately to these games. I have not made a
bet yet. I did go one in one yesterday. I
had the Dayton VCU A ten title game under the total,
which it did remain under, and I took a shot
with Vandy, thinking that maybe Vandy was on a quest
and Arkansas, hey, listen, you and I as a twosome
praise Darkansas as much as we could praise him last
night on the show. I think we were kind of
we might have been lone wolfs in that praise. Maybe
it was higher than the other folks on the set thought,
but boy, Arkansas is impressive. I was going through this stuff,
probably Adam. We're on the East coast, so probably till
about one thirty am. I was hoping to get some
nit lines which we never got in which we still
don't have but I was going through some an action
as well. That will be up first out of the
box tomorrow along with the first four games, a couple
of first four games, so I guess we could start
there and then see what the chat wants to talk about.
But again, if you guys missed it yesterday, go back
and check out the immediate reactions from us. This is
going to be a heck of a tournament. I said
yesterday Adam on that show, I've never immediate reaction like
so many underdogs or thought so many favorites were overvalued
in quite some time. And you know, you have to
Immediate reactions aren't necessarily always to be all in dolls.
You have to go back and review this stuff. But
it should be fun, a fun two weeks for sure.
Speaker 2: I had myself beauted right there. That was not There
was no problem with that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm glad you brought that up, because I too
found myself on the show reacting in real time, gravitating
to a lot of a lot of underdogs. I think
I think that's natural though, So I think that's like
a great talking point to start the show, because again
we're gonna go off of what you guys bring up
in the chat. We don't even necessarily have to talk
specific games the whole time, because again, we're gonna have
days to do this. But like, for me, like, yeah,
the bracket gets unveiled, I'm a mid major guy. I
watch a ton of of mid major hoops and kind
of know who's you know, good, who's not, so on
and so forth. I'm also you know, when we're doing
the show, Let's put it this way, when we're doing
the show last night, I see the bracket populated, and
I'm like, oh, I would really like them this year.
Speaker 2: They have a potentially have a chance.
Speaker 1: They have a chance, Northern Iowa has a chance, offs
Or has a chance, Troy has a chance, right every
time one comes up. Now that now that I've had
a full day to start to go through games, look
at the numbers, I'm I'm backing.
Speaker 2: Out on a lot more of those underdogs.
Speaker 1: Then, Like let's say, like last night, at first glance,
I was like, oh, yeah, they definitely have a chance.
I'm starting to get to the point where I think
less of them have an actual chance. So that's also
why I didn't like knee Jerk. I really don't like
to like bet On my first sort of instinct on
the game.
Speaker 2: I'll give you one example.
Speaker 1: Last year, I had a very you know, very good
like first couple days of March madness, and like the
one loss was the play I like basically locked in
on the selection show. It was Grand Canyon. I think
they were plus and eleven and a half against Maryland.
I did get a good number, they got destroyed. Second thought,
I'm gonna make here before I kick it back to you,
is I feel like the committee or whoever makes this
bracket put a lot of they they made bad matchups.
Speaker 2: For the for the underdogs, for the mid majors.
Speaker 1: They they're like feeding a mid major a team that's
gonna beat them at their own game. In a lot
of cases. The one that came to mind that might
be a good matchup yesterday rob was Northern Iowa because
because I really do think they could slow down Saint
John's and you know, force no, not give up a
ton in transition, force them to score a little bit
out of the half quarter, make shots. But boy, outside
of that, even the ones I think have a chance
in the matchup, it's like they're going into a team
that does what they do better than they do it
that that's like the biggest takeaway I got from like
looking at all these first round games. So so weigh
in on that, Rob, what do you think about sort
of those two things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely why you have to let the dust
settle kind of adamant and go back to what I
would call the drawing board and start evaluating the matchups.
I jumped at a bunch now, one that I kind
of stick to here even on Monday morning, and we'll
see if I come off of him, because the numbers
starting to go down a little bit. Even more so,
I thought on the show, High Point had a real
chance against Wisconsin. High Point, a team that dominated their league,
ended very hot. They draw Wisconsin, who obviously is led
by two of the best maybe one of the arguably
one of the best guard tandems in the country. But
I thought maybe High Point had elements to negate some
of that because they are so perimeter oriented as well.
But you're right, you know, let me ask you a
question here. I was going through some stuff and I've
ran across a little synopsis on Hawaii basketball Hawaii defense,
where Hawaii plays zero help defense. They don't help defenders,
they just basically play one on one. And I looked
at the matchup against Arkansas, and I know that we
had immediately reacted like Arkansas will destroy Hawaii. Hawaii is
a good basketball team, thinking to myself, if you're gonna
send your guys out there to not help against a
Cuff and Company, Billy Richmond Junior or Billy Richard, there's
a lot of trouble there because you're gonna get beat
off the dribble a ton in this game. And then
you know, and we're kind of talking x's and o's here,
but the the pressure point there is right in the lane.
Either mid range game or Ali oops for dunks lobs
so to speak, they would seem to be prevalent for
Arkansas here. The more I look at that matchup, the
more I almost feel like Hawaii could get destroyed playing
the type of defense that they play against this type
of team. So to your point, and I don't know
that we can call I guess yeah, we have to
call Big West a mid major, Hawaii a mid major
coming in against Arkansas. Not necessarily what they do best
against Arkansas, what they do best against what why he
does best, but just the stylistic matchup offense versus defense.
To me, boy, Arkansas could have a field day offensively
against those guys if they want to stick to playing
no help defense.
Speaker 2: For sure. So I decided what we'll probably do.
Speaker 1: Since we're gonna bounce around a lot on this show
where we're not gonna you know, we have time later
in the week to go sort of deeper into these matchups.
So I'm gonna start to group some like games together.
And the three we just mentioned, in my opinion, are
all very similar to me Hawaii, Arkansas, high Point, Wisconsin,
and then Northern I was Saint John's From a numbers perspective,
I think the books kind of got.
Speaker 2: These three right.
Speaker 1: I would almost say that, like, I agree slightly with
high Point taking money at eleven and a half, but
high Point sort of reminds me of my Grand Canyon
pick last year. They took a little money, like the
books maybe priced it incorrectly out of the gate, but
that's not a great matchup for high Point in my opinion,
they're not. You know, Wisconsin doesn't turn the ball over
at all. It's another instance of like what high Point
could do to win a game like this. Wisconsin's good
at neutralizing I think the same thing with Arkansas Hawaii.
Like I was, I was reading something about, oh well,
maybe Hawaii play his zone.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, but they haven't. How much have they
done that this year?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like, so you mean to tell me that they're gonna
within four or five days scrap the way they've been
playing all year to try to try a zone against
Arkansas and and you know, I mean, yeah, that's great.
Like I suppose an SEC team or a big time
team could go to zone and give Arkansas trouble. I'm
not sure Hawaii could if they even were in zone.
So again for me, Robin and I'll before we move on,
we'll we'll sort of package these three games together out
of those three because they're all right in the same
vein where it's like double digit favorite against lower seed,
and I.
Speaker 2: Think the numbers are right on all of them.
Speaker 1: If I had to pick one of those three per
potential upset, I think I would pick Northern Iowa just
because of like the fact that they looked so good
at Arch Madness now that they're fully healthy, and that
is one where it's like, if they don't let Saint
John's get get transition points and get to the rim,
and you're forcing Saint John's to make shots. We know
that Saint John's has a hard time making shots. So
anything from those three before we move it on that
you're interested in potentially making a move on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to continue to look at high point
and again as we speak here, Adam, and we talk
a little bit of the fundamentals, because that's somewhat how
we break it down, but we also include the situationals.
And I do wonder about Wisconsin after the tournament run
there these four days off, it can be either helpful
or non helpful. And I think we all agreed on
the pianol last night. In Northern Iowa. I mean, you
and I don't have to talk to anymore about Northern Iowa.
We've gone through them quite a bit this season, and
right now you know just the way they are set up,
with their ability to shoot threes, with their ability to
slow a game down. It's frustrating for a team like
Saint John's that wants to go and Northern Iowa doesn't
necessarily turn it over enough for Saint John's to get
enough runouts to get one of those you know, knockout
punch type spurts, so I think Northern Iowa probably hangs around.
I'll add a couple to this grouping Vanderbilt McNeice is
a double digit type of number and a game we
talked about yesterday that I think we're both We both
like to begin with Troy Nebraska. I think Troy plus
thirteen and a half still interests me Adam against Nebraska,
and you know, I'll let you go ahead and analyze
it as well. But to me, Troy has the ability
to get a lot like Northern Iowa can slow the
game down. You don't even have to slow it down
against Nebraska because Fred Hoiberg's team is going to play slow.
You got to get out on their jump shooters and
they just have to find a way. The wildcard that
we always talk about is rank mask find a way
to rebound if you have to send your big out
on the perimeter to get after him. But Troy shows
all the instincts, all the qualifications of a team in
this particular matchup where maybe they got set up good.
I did see an interview with Fred Hoiberg early this
morning where he did reference the location of the game,
Oklahoma City. He thought Cornhusker fans would travel very well,
and I will say that that would be a concern
where the arena where the arena is here, because Troy,
I don't know that they'll travel as well. However, just
note that as these games go on into the second
half of Troy's in the game, half of that crowd
is going to take the underdog side. It happens all
the time, So Troy, if they can hang in, probably
will have benefit of some more of the crowd than
they would normally. So Troy to me, and boy, I
don't know. I love Vanderbilt, but I do know McNeice
can cause some defensive problems. To you, the problem for
me with McNeice is they may not score for a
stretch against Sandy, and if that's the case, Fandy shoots
it way too well. That's a game that I was
on yesterday, and to your point, I'm probably talking myself
off of today. I think Vanderbilt is just too consistently
explosive and McNeice is too prone to droughts. So I
don't know that I'm as high on taking eleven and
a half with them as I was yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I see McNeice Vandy is one that I think is
probably the matchup probably favors Vandy. I would like, I'm
not like ruling mcneicse out by any means, but I
think that that's probably a not exactly the matchup that
they wanted. Whereas you know, and we'll go back to
the Troy. I guess we'll do those two together right now.
Mcneicse Vandy Troy Nebraska. I kind of made a case
for Troy on the show last night that I'm starting
to move away from a little bit, and it's just
like one of those things. That's also why I'm not
gonna like bet instantly, like you know, knee jerk reaction
type stuff as the bracket comes out, because I think
yesterday we talked about Troy Nebraska and I said, Okay, well,
you know, you're getting a pretty big number.
Speaker 2: The possessions in the game.
Speaker 1: Might be a lower possession type game because neither team
is you know, both both like to slow it down.
Like I still believe Scott Cross is very capable of
like putting together a game plan that slows it down
maximizes the number of possessions Troy does have. But like you're,
like you said, like masked being able to like, I
mean Nebraska. The other thing is, I mean if they're
if they're moving the ball, spreading it out and their
threes are falling, like it might be good night to
Troy in that game. So I'm actually sort of off
of that one. I feel like I made a case
for that one last thing that I don't really sort
of believe just as much anymore. That's and that's gonna
you know what, Like that's the biggest challenge here in
my opinion betting these games.
Speaker 2: It's like I tend to not bet them very early
and be okay.
Speaker 1: If I miss something and just passing on it because
it's it's NCAA tournament.
Speaker 2: Rob, Like crazy shit happens for lack of a better,
you know thing.
Speaker 1: All Right, this one I made bet and Garth is
asked about it. So let's go to the first four.
Garth says, nineteen and eight run going into March Madness Tuesday.
He's looking at UMBC team total over seventy and a half. Rob,
I'm looking at UNBC just to win this game. May
may just play myself a money line here because it's
only minus one and a half on the spread. I
just say I've seen both of these teams play multiple
like in person this year. Why I've followed the America
East very closely. That trio of guards rob on UNBC
is really good. Valentine there's three of them, of course
the names Ace. Valentine is one of them, and I'm
forgetting the names of the other two. The point is
the last month or so they have been awesome just
running through the America East can take anyone off the dribble,
just totally destroyed Vermont in the second half of that
game on Saturday. Like, They're just better than Howard in
my opinion, So why would I not just take a
small money line here? My numbers actually closer to four.
This might be a bet for me. But but also
talk about potential team total. Does UNBC get up and
over the seventy and a half points?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean on my short list here for this
morning when I was looking was the full game total?
Really I kind of look at the defensive numbers posted
by Howard and posted by UNBC and think to myself,
they can be somewhat fraudulent a in the case of UNBC,
because it's not exactly a Pace type conference and you're
going to get a pace team in Howard in this game,
and where Howard is concerned, obviously, the quality of competition
in the MIAC is not up to the level of UNBC,
and so I wonder if Howard's defensive numbers aren't just
a little bit phony. So when I see this come
down to maybe one thirty nine and a half, thinking
to myself, man, this game is very very much worth playing.
To the over you worry about jitters, potential jitters with
these teams. But I think these two teams will be
just fine. And Dayton, I don't think we'll have to
worry too much about that, and I think they'll both
be on the attack. So to Gar's question, UNBC and
really quick in the Vermont game, Adam Boy, UNBC stretched
that lead and that game was close at the four
minute mark to go in the game, and then UNBC
hit a couple of threes and absolutely stretched out the
margin and one going away Vermont couldn't keep pace. Very
close game, big win by UNBC. But to Garth's question,
I think I could see UNBC going over the total
here for reasons I just described. I'm not a believer
that in this vact and this is the great thing
about the tournament, that where you have to almost take
everything you saw this past weekend or past two weeks
in these conference tournaments, and I like to just throw
it all in the garbage because once these teams get
outside their conference again, it's a whole different story. Like
when we watch Michigan struggle with Wisconsin struggle with Producing
it's just because you've been in Big Ten play so long,
like these teams know you inside and out, and now
you get to free yourselves. And I heard one coach
mentioned this, he'd be glad to get outside the conference now,
and I think that's going to be the case for
Howard and UNBC. So Garth, yes, I would agree. I
would also agree, and probably the direction I'm going to
follow is full game total over. And thirdly, Adam, I
would agree that U NBC's probably a bucket better. We're
only lay in one and a half year, and if
you go money line, you're just asking to win by
a point. I think they're probably the better team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it that that's where I'm called that,
that's really where I'm sort of starting to gravitate towards NBC.
As I was, I was closer to like four on
this you know, the spread being like UNBC minus three
and a half minus four. So the fact that it's
still out there just minus one and a half and
you can kind of play a pretty cheap money line.
Speaker 2: That definitely appealing.
Speaker 1: But like again, like they you know, they've played much
better defense over the last Like UNBC has played better
defense over the last month or so when they really
took over that America East conference, and you know that
was an issue for them earlier earlier in the year.
In my opinion, was just like like you know, they've
they've always sort of had the offensive end figured out,
but their defense you know, wasn't quite as good. Put
the reason I bring that up is like Howard's a
pretty capable team in terms of like putting the ball.
Speaker 2: In the basket. So that's what I'll have to sort
of think about.
Speaker 1: But I am my number leans toward UNBC, and I
am leaning that way as well, So again I will
we'll see if we.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'll lock anything in on this show.
Speaker 1: And we're not gonna do a parlay today because we're
gonna do those later in the week. But like I'll
tell you right now. One I'm definitely getting some thought
to tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Is U NBC?
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's move along. Let me make
sure I got I'm gonna go back to the chat.
We got a lot of good chat, you know on
the so I guess, like Rob, I'll throw a general
question your way, sure, from a straight like from a
straight up standpoint. Do you see a bunch of upsets
in the first round? Do you think the favorites advance
and a lot of these games.
Speaker 3: I feel like the larger favorites spam by large, I
mean anything over five six points, those those teams are
all going to advance. I find it hard to make
a case, you know, when you sit down, and I
don't prefer to do these things. But obviously we all
have family. We all have friends that want to, hey,
let's get together and do a bracket pool. When I
sit down to try to do a bracket pool at them,
I just find it way too hard without a point spread,
involve to go ahead and move underdogs all the way there,
you know through now and hubsets are gonna happen. We
know that, But if you're asking me, I just don't
see a case to be made for a lot of
these teams that are catching in that. You know, let's
say seven plus range the only one as I look
here really fast before I turn it back over to you,
and they I wouldn't even put them in this category.
But South Florida was plus six and a half, now
down to five, and I think South Florida has a
legit shot to move on against against excuse me, Louisville.
But other than that, I find it hard to make
a case for any of these teams winning their games
straight up.
Speaker 1: Well, let's stay let's stay on that game for now,
because I'm I'm pretty intrigued there as well.
Speaker 2: Uh, don't worry, Colin, I will.
Speaker 1: I will reprise rehash that Miami of Ohio take in
just a minute. But let's let's go to the South
Florida Louisville game. I believe this is an early tip
on on Thursday, one of the first games to go
out in Buffalo, New York. Of course, you know you've
probably heard the story. At this point, Brian Hodgson gets
to come back home. He's a Buffalo, New York native.
People think he's gonna be the Syracuse coach. That's a different, different,
conversation for a different time. But but the point is,
like yesterday I was almost like, so I had one
play yesterday I cashed with Arkansas. I'm actually kicking myself
in hindsight for not playing South Florida minus five and
a half in that game, because because someone asked me
about it, I basically texted them all the reasons that
should be an easy win, and then I didn't play
it myself, and then sure enough they just came out
and slammed. Wichita won by like fifteen. They've been very
impressive to me this year. South Florida like kind of
ran through the American, which I think that the American
personally was better just because Memphis had a down year,
it wasn't necessarily a bad year for the conference, like
Tulsa had a really good team. Wichita State came on late.
Like so that to me is I don't know that
South Florida got enough credit for what they did this season.
And now you're going up against Pat Kelsey who's like
really struggled in any sort of big game, and Louisville's
gonna have to lay five and a half six and
they're probably gonna do what they always do rob just
chuck threes up, hope they hit half of them and win.
Like this is what I'm also close with. South Florida
plus six plus five and a half feels kind of
like a feels like it should be more like two
and a half for three to me on a neutral.
Speaker 2: So talk to me a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: Pat Kelsey, Brian Hodgson, Louisville, South Florida. Are you are
you close to making a play in that one?
Speaker 2: I guess you know.
Speaker 3: And there's not much difference between them, Adam, we get this.
We talked a little bit about this yesterday on the
show The Immediate Reaction Show. Last night, Steve Merrill had
made the point that you know, if a fast team
plays a fast team, then you play the favorite because
they do it better. And I brought up this game
and I mentioned I don't know that that would apply here.
South Florida can do everything that Louisville does and in
a forty minutes win or go home. I mean, Enison
Pinion can make threes as well as anybody. Nelson's the
player of the year inside that conference. And you might
have to do this if you're Louisville without MIKEL. Brown.
We'll see what the injury status is there as we
go along, but we seeing time and time again with Louisville.
They're basically going to allow South Florida to play this style.
And again Adam referenced Brian Hodgson. For those who don't know,
we'll say it for the for those who don't, he's
an Alabama disciple and NATO's disciples. So this game's going
to be a track me up and down the Floyd.
Louisville is not gonna duck it. South Florida is gonna
want to press the gas even harder. And this is
an instance where the underdog has as good a chance
as good of a possibility to go on that twelve
zero spurt as any favorite. Does you know? I just
mentioned a couple of other games where the favorite the
dog scares me because the favorite could go on to run.
Here the dog is fully capable. And I'll just add
this really quick here. We do a lot with the
eye test, Adam. I know we put numbers to everything
and use it in our analysis, but we also watch
a boatload of games, and to me, South Florida as
the season went on just got better and better and
started to create larger and larger margins. I think they're
probably rounding it to form at the right time of season.
They're playing their best basketball. And I don't know that
I can say the same about Louisville. They've got nice talent,
but you know, the ACC was sort of death. Let
me ask you this, don't you think South Florida could
have competed on a decent five hundred tight basis inside
that ACC this year? I think they could have.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, they're they're yeah, for for sure, especially if they
if they drew a schedule with like a lot of.
Speaker 2: The bottom half of that league. For sure, without a doubt.
Speaker 1: And about this, like so really like you're you're catching
five and a half points here, true sort of neutral
core up in Buffalo and Louisville's going to be the
team that's bombs away from three and South Florida is
probably going to get to the rim and score their
points at the rim. Like that that to me, plus
you're gonna give give me five and a half points?
That that may have to Uh, I did see there
was some six There's a couple that have had like
got faked right out of the gate and then came
back so like for me, like, I, yeah, if you listen,
if you have six and a half with South Florida,
that is a fantastic number.
Speaker 2: But I feel like six.
Speaker 1: I feel like five and a half is fair, Like
I think I don't think you're wrong, Like I don't
think you've missed anything to play Loeuville or to play
South Florida at plus five and a half. I don't
know that I want it much like lower than that,
Like I do think that that's kind of the end
of the value, Like I don't know that i'd play
five or worse. However, if Piquel Brown gets ruled out,
which I think is a pretty big, like pretty good
possibility that he doesn't play, I think that goes to
more like four because I think it'll get bet down.
Even though I think you and I are both like, well,
what do you give his chances to play on Thursday?
I think it's less than fifty percent. If I had
to guess based on what I've kind of heard.
Speaker 3: I'd agree with that. That's the way I'm kind of
looking at it. Right now. We're still up in here
with his status, but I haven't heard or heard or
read anything that's encouraging above fifty chance that he goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'll segue into another player that I don't think
is going to play on Wednesday, and that would be
Edwards for SMU BJ Edwards. I everything I've read suggests
he's probably not playing against Miami of Ohio. So let's
go back to Dayton. We'll talk another play and round game.
This is another one open seven and a half, very
quickly bet up yesterday while we were on the selection show,
and then sort of like market pushed it back down
to seven and a half. So again, this is another
one where I think it is a fair I think
it's a fair price to like, if you're gonna bet
Miami of Ohio, I think betting it at seven and
a half is fine. Yeah, you didn't get the when
they had smaller limits and you know, shot the market
up and then bet it right back the other way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to have eight and a half or nine,
but that that probably wasn't that realistic for most people
given how quick it moved. So Rob, I'm gonna like
double down on what I said last night here. This
is an opinion I lean into even more. I think
Miami of Ohio has a great chance to not only
win this game, but win the next game against Tennessee.
They're home essentially in Dayton, fifty miles from campus. All
their fans should be able to go to this game
on Wednesday. So this is another one I'm giving some long,
hard thought to Miami of Ohio plus seven and a half.
That's a number that likely dips even further if Edwards
is officially ruled out and if he's at like you're
if the ACC, these middling acc to the bottom teams
in this league this year just were not that good.
SMU has just done nothing for me this year. I
haven't been overly high on them. I feel like they've
been overvalued since the very beginning of the season. So
I like Miami of Ohio as as well. And that's
another one where Comenesday night they might be without their
best player or one of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is fantastic because this is one where
you're fired up in your lane, which is sides, and
I'm fired up in my lane, which is total because
to me, this is a simple score fest. Miami of Ohio.
We've seen it all season long, Right, They're going to
give up points They're just not good on that end
of the floor. SMU is gonna score points because that's
what they do. Edwards or not, they can get to
eighty with him. They're obviously a much better offenser and
I won't say they're a much better offensive team. They're
a more well rounded team. Miami of Ohio is going
to score on SMU. You've talked a lot about how
they spread out defenses and get good shots. They're going
to get that against SMU. SMU is a terrible defense.
Andy Enfeld has said it two or three times this year.
SMU's done nothing to improve it. Honestly, this game has
moved up one point from one sixty three and a
half to one six four. So what they're asking me
for here, if I was to do the quick math
in my head, is an eighty six to seventy nine game.
I mean, I think both teams are getting into the
eighties here. I don't think there's much defensive resistance on
either side. If that's the case, then you certainly want
the dog. If you think they're both going to get
into the eighties. I don't know how they stop each other, Adam, honestly,
and I don't know which team really wants to stop
the I guess Miami of Ohio always wants to stop you.
They're just not good enough defensively to do so. Boopy
Miller could have a huge game, Pierre could have a
huge game. And the Edwards thing is what it is.
But what a draw was the first thing. When we
were watching the show yesterday, I thought to myself, everything
I saw, every projection I saw on Brian Power kept
referring to the Linardi projections, the bracketologists, etc. But everyone
that I saw had Miami of Ohio having to face Missouri,
and I thought, man, I was even on a show
in Columbia, Missouri last Friday, and I said, guys, if
Como gets Miami Ohio, that's a good matchup for Mizoo.
It probably win that game. But then Miami of Ohio
gets SMU, and SMU is a much easier task because
it's a sieve of a deep ense. So for me,
I'm very high on the total going over. Listening to you,
sounds like you're very high on Miamio. So maybe we
can parlay together and put one here. Get both sides
of this one, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean probably gonna have to score to win
that game, right like there, I can't really disagree with
you there, and yeah I may, I.
Speaker 2: May just man, Rob, I might just do it. I might.
Speaker 1: I might lock in South Florida before we get off
the show here. I don't think it's gonna get better
than five and a half. I think it like briefly
it was like six at the open, maybe some six
and a half, but like quickly down to five and
a half. My if Brown doesn't play that, that's gonna
go for that'll What do you think?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 1: What do you think that line is? Do you think
Brown being out is baked into that line or no?
Do you think it drops if he's announced out?
Speaker 3: I think it's already baked in. But I also think
it drops just because of the amount of public money
that's bet on these games. At them, this is something
everybody's involved in. It's kind of like Super Bowl, right,
everybody's involved. Mckl. Brown is the biggest name out there.
For folks who haven't been around college basketball all season long,
they're gonna hear MIKEL. Brown is out, and the bandwagon
begins and the fifty dollars bets add up twenty five
fifty bets add up, so I would think that, you know,
five and a half could see four. Honestly, I think
because of the rush of money, and for anybody who's
ever been in a Las Vegas sports book, is these
games begin to tip off. You know how long these
lines are. Let's say, get a betted. It's crazy how
much money gets bet right at the gun. Yeah, I
could see it being forced if you wanted to wait
on the Louisville side to get a better number. But
if if you're on the South Florida side, certainly, I
don't know that it's getting any better.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: If Brown is ruled in Adam.
Speaker 2: Maybe it goes back to Does it go back to
six if he's ruled in.
Speaker 3: I think it does. I think it does. But I
don't think it's gonna you know, we're trying to project
here on Monday morning. I don't think it's gonna happen.
I don't think he'll play, but I'll try and investigate
it a little more.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's far more likely that this
one goes back to or this one goes to four
and a half or four, than it is that it
goes to like six and a half or six, and
I think, yeah, because you know, I guess I do
have the brown stuff baked in there. What I would
adjust for him is kind of in I think is
reflected in that number. But like you said, I, if
he's ruled in, maybe it takes up half a point.
If he's like confirmed out, you're gonna see that steam
like there. That's gonna get picked up with everyone trying
to to sort of vet this game. So I'm just
gonna I'll give it out on the show. I I'm
not gonna since you guys are here and tuned in,
we don't have any any games to bet tonight. I'm
gonna make this my first NCAA tournament bet. I just
getting good at doing it on the phone, Rob, I
was so bad at that, like when we when we
rolled over the system. But I'm getting good at locking
plays in on the phone. I'm gonna bet South Florida
plus five and a half.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 1: They're they're probably the better team out of those two teams,
and you're on a neutral floor, you're catching five and
a half and Louisville might take a bunch of threes.
That's a good in my opinion, that's a good bet.
So I've talked myself into it. That is, that is
a play for me, South Florida plus five and a half,
and hopefully it went in. Because I now closed out
of the window, I don't know if it was in
or not, so we'll have to double check. But yeah,
and then again I'll have my eye on that SMU
Miami of Ohio game if I love an eight or
an eight and a half there. But again, I think
if Edwards is ruled out officially, that probably goes dips further,
that might go to six and a half, six even
five and a half. So that's when I have my
eye on as well. All right, let's get back to
the chat. Mad Max is here. Mad Max wants to
go back to Dayton. I'll tell you what I mean.
I'm more interested in the games in Dayton the next
you know, more so than like the Thursday Friday games
right now, because they're sooner than obviously and the market
will those are more likely to have like legitimate movement
over the next day or two. So this game is
actually tomorrow, and Mad Max says, I'm leading Texas, but
it might be a really good situational spot for the
wolf Pack. Rob I'll remind you that these two teams
played in Maui earlier this year. I was on the
wrong side. I had NC State and they just Texas
just went absolutely nuts from three in that game. But
what what also happened in that game was Titus was
very effective and Texas has improved a lot since then.
So in the rematch, Rob, I think Texas has improved
far more like if you were to go back to Maui,
Texas has improved significantly.
Speaker 2: NC State may have gone backward in a lot of cases.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's enough to get me to the
window with Texas, but you know I like this Texas team, Rob,
So convince me or talk me off. Please NC State
Texas tomorrow night and Dayton.
Speaker 3: Well, I will say this and again, where NC State
is concerned, my wife's nephew is an alum, and he
and her brother in law both very very active inside
that program. So I get a little bit of info
from them, and I will say this, I wouldn't disagree
that NC State might have gone backwards. I will tell
you that NC State fan base is thrilled with their
chances inside this tournament. They're so dependent Adam having watched
them five or six times. Now, if Holloman and especially Copeland,
like Copeland tends to dominate the ball a lot, But
if Holloman's not banging threes, if McNeil isn't banging threes,
and Copeland's trying to just do his thing one on one,
they they're a good scoring team. But they're also susceptible
to four or five positions in a row with nothing.
Will Wade pulling the hair out of his head. They're
not that great on the defensive end. I will say this,
this the coaching matchup here is what probably shoves me
towards Texas a little bit. Both of these guys are
in their first year, right Sean Miller took over Texas,
Will Wade took over NC State. Both guys obviously want
to at least win a first round game. But I
do think the presence, I think you hit it with vocatitis,
the interior presence WEREX is just more well rounded on
the offensive end, Like they can get their points a
few more ways than NC State can. And you know,
Will Wade keeps complaining about the defense, keeps complaining about
them not being physical enough. And when I think of
Sean Miller at tournament time. I do think he'll have
his guys ready. Maybe it takes another year for Will
Wade to get the guys in there that he really
wants in there, and maybe we see a different NC
State team next week. But I have a little last
risk next to Texas on my list here as a
team that I'm looking toward playing, So I would agree
Texas would be my side here. I just NC State
doesn't have enough offensive diversity, Let's put it that way.
They're just not a diverse enough scoring team for me,
and I think Texas can shut them down, or not
shut them down, but can at least contain them out
on the perimeter. I don't think that's a crazy.
Speaker 2: Thought, Ion says.
Speaker 1: Tian says, am I crazy for thinking Texas is the
better team here?
Speaker 2: No, not not at all. I don't think at all.
Speaker 1: I think I think you're crazy if you think NC
State's better than Texas right now. I'm not saying NC
State can't play, you know, play a good game and
beat them. But the one thing that Miller was so
upset about earlier this year getting into foul trouble had
turnover you know, turnovers getting into foil trouble. They've they've
cleaned up quite a bit, and that was like the
biggest thing for a while. It was like, well, Texas
doesn't have a ton of depth in the front court,
so if their bigs get into foul trouble, they're significantly worse.
But I think they've actually done a fairly good job
of not fouling as much down the stret Like January
on SEC play on like Texas, in my opinion was
much like it was consistently better than where the market
placed them on a data on a game to gay basis,
and I think that might be the case here as well.
My number was closer to where it is closer to pick.
But like you know, NCAA tournament winner go home. I
kind of like this Texas team that I I just
something about NC State, the fact that they've got they
basically need Cadeer Copeland, who was you know, on Syracuse
for a while, went to McNee State, and like they
basically need him to make plays to like get into
their offense. That's kind of an issue. That's kind of
an issue. So I'll say Texas, I'm not gonna lock
it in just yet, but I'll say Texas just for
the sake of arguments real quick.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. I kind of mumbled turnovers. But now,
it was that Saturday when you, I and Kelly Ron
and I read this Sean Miller quote and it was
full of explicitives about them following everybody. We haven't followed anything. Yeah,
he's kind of straightened it out a little bit.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's yeah, So this is one that came up
on the show last night, that this is one where like,
I think cal Baptists might get crushed. I know, Kelly
brought up cal Baptist and I love like listen. Dominique
Daniels is an easy guy to root for. He stayed right,
He stayed at cal Baptist because he wanted to be
loyal to coach Croy. Didn't you know he could have
easily went and transferred up for his final year.
Speaker 2: Decides to go back to cal Baptist.
Speaker 1: Incredible performance by him, too much to my dismay. I
had Utah Valley and he stole that game single handedly.
But rob, they have no they don't score through the
front court at all. They had, they don't have a
ton of size. How are they gonna hang with Kansas here.
Unless Kansas just like is literally sleepwalks through this game,
I'd be really surprised if Kansas doesn't just like, you know,
drop the hammer here, just based on the fact that
like Martel Williams and Dom Daniels are, how are they
gonna go nuts against Kansas those two underside guards, and
then you still have to deal with the Kansas front court.
Speaker 3: We talk about bad matchups for mid majors, it's a
bad matchup for a mid major. And first off, I
think a lot of Kelly's you know, case for cal
Baptist is just sort of anti Darren Peterson, which I
can understand a lot of folks just shrugging their shoulders
about this guy taking some time off this year and
not is he committed to playing? Is he got one
eye on the NBA. But my thought process with him,
even in the Big Twelve Conference tournament, has been he
needs to show the NBA scouts in the biggest moments
that he's you know, he's making his case for number
one pick overall. And it's a crowded field, it involves boozer,
it involves the bands that it involves a cuff and
right now, Darren Peterson has an opportunity against cal Baptist
to absolutely you know the way these highlight packages go
after or a game is over. Darren Peterson a thirty
point performance, he'll be the talk of whatever day they play,
Thursday or Friday, and the national media will make a
big deal out of him. But let's get past him
for one second here. Melvin Counsel Junior is another one
of those guards that you're talking about. How is cal
Baptist going to get past these bigger guards. I've been
absolutely a fan of Melvin Counsel Junior all season long,
and then inside with Badunga. I mean, this is a
bad matchup for cal Baptist. What they do best is
play defense. What they don't do well is score in
the interior. Like you said, so, you can see Kansas
cleaning the boards, even getting out on the break, probably
taking cal Baptist out of what they want to do.
It's just a difficult, difficult Matchup to the comment there
that says I'm kicking myself for not hammering Kansas minus
from nine and a half and it came out, I
think I might have overlooked it a little bit too,
just because I didn't get too deep into it. Even
when Kelly was mentioning, I was probably looking at something else.
I'm distracted. But I don't know, Adam. This looks like
a game where KU can sort of name their number,
so to speak, maybe pull Peterson out. End up game here.
I just find it hard to see how cal Baptist
is going to score. And beyond that, I find it
hard to see how they're gonna defend. How these Kansas
players don't get their share of points however they want
whenever they want.
Speaker 2: Nine and a half is great. I mean, if you
have nine and a half, that's great. I never saw
it that low. That's an incredibly bad number.
Speaker 1: If someone put at nine and a half with Kansas,
I figured, I think I saw thirteen, thirteen and a half.
Now it's fourteen and a half. You know, I guess
I'll I don't want to totally give cal Baptists zero
chance here because of the they are very good defensively,
Like that's that's one thing. Like they they're solid defensively,
and Kansas is still gonna have to execute their you know,
on offense. They're not just to be able to, you know,
go through the motions and score a ton on this
team because cal Baptists will really pack it in. Their
defensive rating is very good. But yeah, the I mean, listen,
Don Daniels is like he's like the type of guy
that could go off in a game like this and
suddenly you have like Don Daniels being a household name
because he went for thirty five or forty and single
handedly had them in the game. I actually fourteen and
a half is I don't hate the idea here the
more we talk about it of thinking cal Baptists can
hang around, but I don't know if they You're right, Rob,
it kind of feels like Kansas can name the score.
But like also if Kansas just kind of went through
the motions and won by nine, I wouldn't be that surprised.
Just the way that this team has functioned a lot
of this year, that's an interesting one for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Bill self's job, right to make sure that
they're motivated and ready to play. That's that's his And
I know he's had his issues this year. He doesn't
come right out and say it, but he has had
difficulty in his you know, seeing some of his postgame
conferences talk about the Peterson situation, like what can I do? Guys,
He's going to do what he wants to do. But
I think he'll come to play here love Counsel White
in Company, and they should have a good day here.
I'll look into their team total in that.
Speaker 2: One, Rob, I've got one for you.
Speaker 1: I don't think that this team's gonna win, even though
I'll be rooting for them.
Speaker 2: But just the way.
Speaker 1: Sianna and Duke is going to play from a number
of possession standpoint, I think that is a lot to
ask for them to have to win that game by thirty,
Like if you were to take a one seed and
want to take the points with it. With with a sixteen,
Sianna sets up to cover as good as anyone I think,
And the reason for that is they're going to play
extremely slow. They're very defensive oriented. That that is going
to be their Their main sort of focus is the
defensive end.
Speaker 2: Duke. We know Duke doesn't play very fast.
Speaker 1: They they'll They're gonna be fine with getting into some
of their half court offense and playing slow as well.
I mean, Sianna is a pretty good defensive team. Duke
would have to execute so flawlessly in my opinion to
win this game by thirty are they gonna win? Probably,
But like, even if they only win by twenty rob,
you've got an awful big cushion there.
Speaker 2: I think this is up in the twenty eight twenty
I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, twenty nine and a half, so that's what I'm saying,
twenty nine and a half. So like Duke would almost
probably have to shoot, they'd have to hit like sixty
percent from the field in my opinion to beat Sianna
by thirty points. There's just not enough possessions in the
game in my opinion that that's one that from a
just a spread standpoint, I think Sianna is a decent bet.
And then Darryl says, like Sianna can cover, that's about it.
But yeah, like what I'm not coming on here and
saying they're gonna win the right saying that they're not
gonna lose by thirty one or more.
Speaker 3: And let me just give you really quick, Adam, another
reason why that play makes so much sense from a
situational standpoint, Duke's already got two guys injured, down two guys, right,
and if they're up twenty five with six left, they're
not taking any chances that they're going to lose another player,
something freakish happens. Everybody's coming off the floor for the
most part if you're john Shire, because you have a
game in two dates. So from Sienna's standpoint, if you're
within the number with six minutes left, you should be
even more within the number at the end of the game,
because Duke I firmly believe Duke will if they have
a sizeable margin, they're gonna take everybody off the floor.
And if they don't have a sizeable margin, then you're
covering anyway. So twenty nine and a half is a
lot of points. A at one thirty six. You talk
about correlating parlays Dog and I mean, if it's gonna
be a game that hits thirty six, they're telling us
eighty fifty six more than eighty fifty six. They're telling
us eighty two fifty four, eighty three, eighty three fifty three.
Basically that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And listen, Sianna's struggles this year have come against
teams that can really put them in his zone defense,
forced them to shoot, force him to shoot a lot
of threes. I will reference Rob the Indiana Sianna game
from earlier this year. We talked about that game on
one of our shows. I believe I gave Sianna plus
the points out. They were a pretty big underdog, twenty
something point underdog. They were getting destroyed in that game
early on, like it looked like Indiana was gonna run away,
and then as soon as the game was kind of
in hand, Indiana went and played more man and and
Sianna battled all the way back snuck in. I'll pull
the final score of that game up real quick. It
was the spread was like twenty three and a half,
twenty two, twenty three and a half. It was an
eighty one to sixty final, but Sianna won the second
half forty to thirty five. Why did they win the
second half so easily, Because as soon as you start
playing man against them, Gavin Doti's gonna be able to
work his way to the rim. He's gonna be able
to get to the basket. He's one of the best
players at that level this year. He will likely go
to a bigger school after this year. Tremendous mid range game,
so crafty getting getting to the hoop. So it's like,
let's say it's a thirty point game with ten minutes
to go, there's a real chance that Sienna wins that
last ten minutes anyway. Once it's like, all right, we're
just gonna go play play some man. We're not trying
to get her. We're not like totally held bent on,
like you know, squashing you defensively in those last ten minutes.
Maybe shy Er get some of his bench guys in.
I think that's a good bet. Sianna plus the points.
Someone's like, no one cares about Sienna. It's yeah, I don't.
I'm not saying you should care about Sienna. You care
about like trying to hit bets and make money. And
I'm telling you that plus twenty nine and a half
plus thirty and a half is a is a good bet.
That's all I'm saying. Has nothing to kind of keep
caring about Cianna.
Speaker 3: When the goal is Cancienna get the fifty four, you're
probably going to cover. That's not that hard of an
achievable goal to get the fifty four in that instance.
I do remember the ending to that Indiana game, Adam Man.
That was a fun, fun ending for Sienna plus points
that night.
Speaker 1: All right, well we'll go until I mean, we started
a few minutes late, so we'll go over by a
couple of minutes until I get like yelled at to
get off.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anyone behind us, but even
if there is, it's going to go up on demand.
So let's go with Let's go to the winner of
that Duke Siena game. You know, you'd assume it. You
assume it's Duke, and you will get the winner of
this game. But this one, Rob is quite intriguing for me.
TCU Ohio State. I've talked about TCU's guards quite a
bit this year. How I love how they out on
top of you. They are defensively. TCU beat Florida earlier
this year. They those guards have a great chance to
really disrupt an opposing team's guards. Perimeter basketball sort of
make you have to like, you know, they almost make
you beat them in the front court a little bit more.
And I think that's a little bit of an issue
for Ohio State since they're so heavily reliant on Bruce Thornton. Rob,
do you think TCU can take Thornton out of that game?
And if so, can they win this game?
Speaker 3: It's gonna be Jamie Dixon's game plan. I mean, again,
you have to cut the head off the snake and
Dixon has We've seen it in Big twelve play, right.
I mean, that's a difficult conference with a lot of
difficult guards, and TCU has shown up, and I think Adam.
Another thing I think about TCU is they've gotten better
as the season, and I won't say that Ohio State hasn't,
because I think Ohio State has as well. This is
such an evenly matched game in my estimation, I really
wanted to gravitate towards TCU in this case, but it
could be a three point game either way. I could
see this one coming down to the wire. Obviously. The
line indicates that I will say Ohio State does have
a couple extra scoring options on their side outside of Thornton,
But if you take Thornton out of it, TCUs they
can disperse their points better, let's put it that way,
than Ohio State can. And I don't know that Ohio
State's quite as good defensively as TCU. So I, like
I said, I'd like to gravitate towards TCU. Here just
a scary game for me because I could see either
side winning this one by three points, total has jumped
from one forty five and a half to one forty
six and a half. Ohio states have Ohio State games
have tended to exceed that number, and TCU, for what
it's worth, has found their way into some high scoring
games too. So we'll look at that one a little further.
But it's a good matchup, difficult game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just not sold on Ohio State being able
to win a game that Thornton doesn't completely go often
and Darryl, I'll answer your question like, TCU's guards are
better defensively than Ohio State's guards in my opinion. So
while while TCU does not have a Bruce Thornton, they
might have the more well rounded backcourt. So and and
someone said, whoever controls the glass will win that game.
I kind of think TCU controls the glass in that
in that TCU Ohio State game. So if you subscribe
to the theory that, Okay, well TCU is good enough
defensively to neutralize thore And and they're gonna win the
glass battle, then I think you have to like TCU especially.
Speaker 2: I think you're catching like.
Speaker 1: What two and a half, I think this one got
up to three quickly bet back down to two and
a half.
Speaker 2: So that's another one.
Speaker 1: Then I think we got to have our eye out. Okay,
let's uh, well, let's squeeze what we got. We got
about three minutes left. No one has yelled at me
at so I think you know that was that was
my fault because it was my microphone that just would
not work.
Speaker 2: Could not figure out why. Let's finish up.
Speaker 1: I threw the Akron hoodie on today, Rob, So let's
finish up with some Akron Texas Tech. I'll I'll let
you go first. I like Akron here. I think Akron
could hang around in this game without topping. Texas Tech
isn't as big, So talk me off the zips or
is this an underdog that you might get to the
window with?
Speaker 3: Well, I think the first major, major, significant difference in
this game is the fact that Texas Tech has played
I mean, this is a significant step down in defensive
class for them. Texas Tech's been asked to play some
of the best defenses in the nation this year inside
that conference, we know it's a grinded The mac defenses,
I don't know make a case for any of them
being any good. None of them are. So that's your
significant difference, another edge, or let's just say the positive
on the Acrons side, as they can score on just
about anybody. All of that. When I was thinking this
through Argia this morning, it was pushing me toward over
in this game. I really think that the Texas Tech
side has found a way to score. Maybe not as much,
but they found a way to score without JT topping
Inside this lineup, they do have solid you know, that
trio of Atwell and Anderson and Watson. These guys they
can hit threes as well as anybody in the country.
Once they get going, I think there's gonna be points here, Adam,
because I do believe that Akrons got the ingredients offensively,
and I just think that Texas Tech is gonna find
as they get into this game that this defense is
nothing like Guyawa State, This defense is nothing like Houston,
This defense is nothing like what we saw all season long,
and they'll be able to score their share too. So
for me, it's an overplay. I haven't gotten there yet.
Like we've said so often this morning, we've kind of
taken our time in assessing these games and trying to
get off our initial reactions. But this number is one
fifty five and a half, and I could see here
Akron as the underdog. I could see Akron finding their
way to seventy five. And if that's the case, then
this game is going to get over the number.
Speaker 1: I guess the reason I'm so inclined to like look
forward to dog in this game is that, like Akron's
very small team. We've known this all all year. They're
just small. They take a lot of shots. They're gonna
probably need to hit a high percentage of threes to
be in this game. But like Texas, Tech's not going
to overwhelm you with like big time size at this point.
So like, if it does get into it like a
shootout type game, Acron can shoot with anyone. That's what
the appeal of this Acron team. But that'd be you know,
the way you're talking about it. I think the over
might actually make more sense because they could give up
a boatloaded well, so that'll be an interesting game. But
I still lean Akron, But you make a good case
for the over, it might actually be the better way
to play that.
Speaker 3: And don't discount John Gross's coaching ability in a tournament situation.
I mean, he's been here before. He's a good head coach.
Speaker 2: Obviously, I don't think he's ever won run Rob.
Speaker 1: I think he's over in the tournament, so he's he's
very due for a win.
Speaker 2: In one of these games.
Speaker 3: And McCaslin too. We won't sell mccaslyn short on the
other side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well we'll wrap it up here. This
was This was sort of so I saw some people
talking about the n i T. That'll be a probably
mostly what we talk about the next two days on
this show. That's why I didn't go any any n
i T today, So tomorrow we will. So Tomorrow and
Wednesday we'll be focusing on the games that are on
Tomorrow and Wednesday, So we'll talk about the first four
and then we'll probably dig pretty deep into the n
i T the next two days, since those are the
games that will be played on that day. Go back
and check out our selection Sunday Instant Reaction Special because
we had a bunch of thoughts, good discussion for about
an hour and a half, and we'll continue to come
on full court press. Not going to discourage you asking
a question about a Thursday or Friday game, But the
next two days, we'll likely focus on what's ahead of us,
great NIT matchups and then the first four. So thank
you guys for tuning in today. We'll be back tomorrow
ten am Eastern. I'll be back with a working mic.
It will be at ten am Eastern, not ten ten,
and we will see you guys tomorrow