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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas is this Morning with Peter Bronson in studio.
Speaker 1: I just just love this man to death. An unbelievable writer.
Speaker 1: And if you seriously, whether or not you're from the
Speaker 1: Queen City area, if you are looking for a wonderful
Speaker 1: Christmas gift, just got I'll say Amazon, and you can
Speaker 1: buy it locally. Got Joseph Beth right, Joseph Beth. Or
Speaker 1: go to Chili Dog Press. Yes, get it there because
Speaker 1: that's where Peter Brown's Peter Bronson's publishing company. So Chilidog
Speaker 1: Press dot com. Get a copy of any one of
Speaker 1: his books. They're great reads. They document Cincinnati's history and
Speaker 1: he just does such a phenomenal job telling a story
Speaker 1: and it's all, I mean real. The most recent Promised Land,
Speaker 1: How the West was one. You had The Man who
Speaker 1: Saved Cincinnati just prior to that, and that was a bit.
Speaker 1: They're all great reads. Forbidden Fruits since Cities Underworld. The
Speaker 1: supper Club Inferno maybe my favorite. I hate to say
Speaker 1: and prioritize that, but I know about the Beverly Hill
Speaker 1: supper Club and I remember it when it burned down.
Speaker 1: And the mob connection with that, which Peter does a
Speaker 1: wonderful job incorporating the reality of that into that book.
Speaker 1: Not in Our Town. Everybody remembers Larry Flint and Hustler
Speaker 1: of the Queen City versus The King of Smut, another
Speaker 1: great read. So it goes on and on and on.
Speaker 1: So Chili Dog Press for any one of these wonderful,
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Speaker 1: Peter Bronson, welcome back to the Morning Show, my dear friends.
Speaker 1: Always great seeing you.
Speaker 2: And thank you for that kind of introduction about my books.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, listen, if it wasn't true, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: set it all right, kind of let it go. Thank
Speaker 1: My wife got at an acknowledgment she had had some
Speaker 1: wonderful bake goods and someone had said, you know, that
Speaker 1: was you know, really unusual or something like that, and
Speaker 1: I go, didn't they say it was really good at any
Speaker 1: point in that message? And just like no, I said, well,
Speaker 1: I guess that just wasn't their cup of teas anyhow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like my friends when because we're all, shall we say,
Speaker 1: we give each other a hard time. Those busters the
Speaker 1: better the friend is, the harder time you give them.
Speaker 1: And I always joke around. I said, hey, listen, if
Speaker 1: I'm not giving you a hard time, that's when you
Speaker 1: know I'm mad at you. So yeah, if I didn't
Speaker 1: understand the books, you know that that would be a
Speaker 1: that will not be a good sign. So Chili Dog
Speaker 1: Press for those. Peter, how you been you all prepare
Speaker 1: for that?
Speaker 3: Very good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been real busy, but doing a lot of
Speaker 2: book signings and a lot of fun. In fact, I
Speaker 2: have one coming up on Saturday at the Barnes and
Speaker 2: Noble at Beaver Creek, Oh Good Saturday at two pm
Speaker 2: for especially for people living up around northern Cincinnati Greater
Speaker 2: Cincinnati area and also from Dayton. There's a lot about
Speaker 2: Dayton in that book, including the story of one of
Speaker 2: the most colorful characters in Ohio history, Clement Villandingham.
Speaker 1: Clement Vilandingham, Yes, clemt So you're talking about the Promised
Speaker 1: Land or Promise Land, right, yes, my latest book? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So he was a congressman from Dayton, and he was
Speaker 2: also probably the most notorious copperhead Southern sympathizer in the country,
Speaker 2: and he gave so much Heartburn to Abe Lincoln that
Speaker 2: Lincoln ordered uh uh, and General Ambrose Burnside to march
Speaker 2: up from Cincinnati and kick down his door at midnight
Speaker 2: and haul him into the street in his pajamas and
Speaker 2: throw him in a military prison.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Kind of like they treated Donald Trump pulling the documents
Speaker 1: out of the house.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was no habeas corpus nothing, And he was
Speaker 2: thrown in a military prison and left there to rot
Speaker 2: for months. Finally Lincoln said, Okay, I guess this is
Speaker 2: getting a little embarrassing, So if he wants to be
Speaker 2: part of the South, let's send him to the South.
Speaker 2: And they shipped him down under a flag of truce
Speaker 2: and turned him over to the Confederates. Oh that's a riot,
Speaker 2: isn't that crazy? Well, it's like returning Neil immigrants to
Speaker 2: their home country. We have a lot of parallels here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we do, don't we. That's amazing stuff. And wait, there's more.
Speaker 2: So then the Lanningham goes to Montreal, where he runs
Speaker 2: for governor of Ohio in absentia, and there was a
Speaker 2: panic in the state of Ohio because the rumor circulated
Speaker 2: that he was going to import tens of thousands of
Speaker 2: voters from Tennessee and Kentucky to win the election.
Speaker 1: Well, he back was a lot easier to cheat.
Speaker 3: Yes, so we had election fraud.
Speaker 2: We had a conspiracy anti government insurrection going on, and
Speaker 2: he did not win. But he did come back eventually
Speaker 2: and practice law in Lebanon after the war. Always forgiven
Speaker 2: he's practicing law. He's representing a guy who was killed
Speaker 2: in a barroom brawl and as part of his defense,
Speaker 2: he's at the Golden Lamb in Lebanon and he's demonstrating
Speaker 2: to his friends how this guy could have shot himself.
Speaker 2: The victim they have shot himself by pulling a gun,
Speaker 2: a gun from his cumber bun. The gun goes off,
Speaker 2: clem up, the Landingham kills himself at the Golden Lamb.
Speaker 1: Instant karma.
Speaker 2: Yes, And there is a room on the second floor
Speaker 2: at Golden Lamb called the Clemate the Landingham Room. So
Speaker 2: this is one of the great congressmen from Dayton. Know
Speaker 2: how Dayton at the time was a hotbed of copperheads.
Speaker 2: In fact, they had riots, They had all kinds of
Speaker 2: crazy stuff going on there during the Civil War.
Speaker 3: It was amazing, you know.
Speaker 1: And when you mentioned a story like that and I
Speaker 1: quite often when people are talking about social unrest. Remember
Speaker 1: when Antifat took over the street, it's a Black Lives
Speaker 1: Matter protesters, all that air. Oh my god, the world's
Speaker 1: coming to an end. It's never been like this. This,
Speaker 1: this is so terrible. The country's never seen such social
Speaker 1: unrest or division. My mind goes back to say, two
Speaker 1: periods in history, modern history, the Simone Simin's sl Liberation movement.
Speaker 1: They actually blew up the Senate bathroom, you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: the January sixth writers stormed the Capitol and they mayhem
Speaker 1: and all of that. They didn't play at bombs and
Speaker 1: blow stuff up, right, I mean, And it wasn't the
Speaker 1: only bomb. They blew up the Haymarket statute in Chicago,
Speaker 1: our statue in Chicago. They had all kinds of bombings,
Speaker 1: killing a police officers, crazy you had it was it
Speaker 1: Bobby Seal and the Black Panthers, and just really a
Speaker 1: lot of violence. The killing of RFK, the killing of
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King, Malcolm X even, I mean, just the
Speaker 1: violence was so much more profound than thankfully it is now.
Speaker 1: And yes, we have our share of violence, and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to downplay it, but if you don't reflect back,
Speaker 1: and that was I mean, that was almost within my
Speaker 1: lifetime being born in sixty five. Of course don't remember it.
Speaker 1: But then rewind to around the turn of the century
Speaker 1: with all the Kammis and socialists run around, also committing
Speaker 1: acts of violence and terrorism.
Speaker 2: And this edition arrests during World War One, y President Wilson,
Speaker 2: I mean what you're onto with the seventies though, I
Speaker 2: was a high school senior in those days, and it
Speaker 2: really shocked me when I went back to research how
Speaker 2: many bombings there were. For example, in Cleveland when the
Speaker 2: lic of Oli and the Jack White Mob went to
Speaker 2: war against each other, there were bombings almost every month
Speaker 2: for a long time. And meanwhile, all over the country,
Speaker 2: these weathermen bombings.
Speaker 1: Went owing you weather underground. It was like crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: At ROTC buildings, people were getting killed, Oh yeah, policemen
Speaker 2: were getting shot randomly. It was a nutty time. I
Speaker 2: had no idea that there were that many bombings going on.
Speaker 2: Of course, I was a high school kid. I wasn't
Speaker 2: paying attention to the news at the time, but what
Speaker 2: a nutty time.
Speaker 1: And then the Kent State shootings on top of it,
Speaker 1: so you know, I mean it's easy to push all
Speaker 1: those different things, crunch him down into a ten minute
Speaker 1: discussion like we're having right now. But really it was
Speaker 1: a rather very concentrated time of violence, it was, and
Speaker 1: violence like again, thankfully we don't see on that same
Speaker 1: level now. Yes, you have your occasional Sarnev brothers, you know,
Speaker 1: those guys obviously experiencing the realities of death or prison.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's we We all think that our
Speaker 1: individual lives, that everything happens within our individual lives, and
Speaker 1: that we exist in this moment in time when you
Speaker 1: know all this has hap Oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god. You know, we live basically a click
Speaker 1: second moment. Our entire life is just a moment in history.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't believe in, you know, in man
Speaker 1: made climate change where every storm is my fault. Are
Speaker 1: you out of your mind? Did you look at like
Speaker 1: the glacier that used to cover the stole state of
Speaker 1: Ohio ten thousand years ago or anyhow? But it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: Maybe you write a book about all that violence and
Speaker 1: protest in the sixties. That's my favorite historical period in
Speaker 1: our country between for I don't know why and I
Speaker 1: think we talked about this last time, between the Kerawhac
Speaker 1: Beatneck area all through the early seventies and the development
Speaker 1: and the wild societal changes that went on just during
Speaker 1: that decade.
Speaker 3: The counterculture, the Retalion, all of it.
Speaker 2: A lot of that is in my book Not in
Speaker 2: our Town when I talk about the mom in northern Ohio,
Speaker 2: and then I went into a whole chapter about all
Speaker 2: the bombings that were going on, crazy stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just to look back on it now. The seventies
Speaker 2: were such a dark period. It's very, very and all
Speaker 2: you have to do is watch a movie from the
Speaker 2: seventies and you just kind of go, they.
Speaker 3: Really made this stuff.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: It's really just dark and depressing and everything is corruption
Speaker 2: and evil and horrible.
Speaker 1: It's just, yeah, more they change, the more things stay
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Speaker 1: Bronson in the studio, and love talking with Peter because
Speaker 1: you quite literally can talk with him about anything. And
Speaker 1: after our last conversation, you maybe scratching your head, going, well,
Speaker 1: what's this all about in this hour? Well, it's about anything.
Speaker 1: And originally the talking we're going to talk kind of
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Speaker 1: break I started talking about, well, I really don't know
Speaker 1: a whole lot about local politics because there's so very
Speaker 1: little reporting on it. And He's like oh my god.
Speaker 1: And see there's the tip of the iceberg of an
Speaker 1: next conversation. The world's a completely different place back when
Speaker 1: you were with the inquiry, you I mean, we knew
Speaker 1: in depth and in detail every council meeting, the subject
Speaker 1: matter with the committees, and.
Speaker 2: If there was a zoning Board of Appeals meeting that
Speaker 2: was controversial, we staffed it. Yeah, we had people all
Speaker 2: over City Hall and that's what kept the elected people
Speaker 2: and the bureaucrats looking over their shoulders because they knew
Speaker 2: if they did something stupid, they always had to stop
Speaker 2: and think how would this look in a headline. A
Speaker 2: lot of didn't, of course, you know, and it was
Speaker 2: obvious that made pretty good headlines. They made great headlines.
Speaker 2: But we had people on everything. And now there's nobody watching.
Speaker 2: And now you begin to see the corruption that we've
Speaker 2: had at City Hall, the just unilateral stupidity of decisions
Speaker 2: that are just covering things up, or decisions that just
Speaker 2: don't make sense. And it's because there's nobody watching, and
Speaker 2: elected officials who are not being watched are like kids
Speaker 2: with their hands in the candy jar.
Speaker 3: They just are not going to stop.
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose this is a reflection is like, you know,
Speaker 1: video killed the radio, star of the internet killed local newspapers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that causes one, Okay, but yeah, well let's move
Speaker 1: over then to perhaps some potentially for other causes. Now
Speaker 1: if I want to consume that, and I presume because
Speaker 1: for years and years and years people did have an
Speaker 1: interest in what was happening locally in politics, did that
Speaker 1: interest disappear or is it just still out there being
Speaker 1: unfulfilled in terms of getting the information, because I figure,
Speaker 1: if there's a demand, then even if it's just online,
Speaker 1: you should be able to get that. But I'll give
Speaker 1: props to the local media that does have online content,
Speaker 1: but again it's not nearly nearly as in depth.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think there is a demand for
Speaker 2: the kind of in depth investigative reporting just which really
Speaker 2: should just be called solid reporting that tells people the
Speaker 2: context and gets into the details. What happened with the newspapers,
Speaker 2: and I know it specifically from my career in newspapers
Speaker 2: over thirty years, was that the newspapers began to grow
Speaker 2: more and more out of touch with their readers, and
Speaker 2: they began to ignore their readers. And there's a cost
Speaker 2: for that because the only thing you have to spend
Speaker 2: in media, your coin is credibility. And if you don't
Speaker 2: have credibility, if you keep telling them things that they
Speaker 2: know aren't true, if you keep getting stories wrong, if
Speaker 2: you keep coming to every story with an attitude which
Speaker 2: always came from the left. I mean, it got to
Speaker 2: the point where conservatives in the in the newsroom could
Speaker 2: be counted on one hand. And that's out of one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty some people. So it's just not right
Speaker 2: that that happened.
Speaker 1: Well, it's reflective of a national phenomena, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Exactly what happened at the Inquirer or any of the
Speaker 1: other needies.
Speaker 2: In the macro sense now in all media, And it's
Speaker 2: part of the reason it resonates so great when Trump
Speaker 2: said yesterday we need a fair balanced media. We need
Speaker 2: a great media, but it needs to be fair. Come on,
Speaker 2: come back, do your job. Yeah, and how about without interjecting.
Speaker 2: And you know, I am a commentator. This is I
Speaker 2: mean stream of consciousness. I have a philosophy.
Speaker 1: I like to interject my philosophy in my analysis of
Speaker 1: matters that I'm speaking on. I'm happy to report these
Speaker 1: specific facts which provide the springboard for my commentary. But
Speaker 1: that's not what a reporter should do. They should stop
Speaker 1: with reporting the facts and then let me and you
Speaker 1: and the other folks draw their own conclusions from a
Speaker 1: political perspective, whether they think it's a right or not
Speaker 1: thing exactly.
Speaker 2: They should be the play by play guy at the
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Speaker 1: Thomas with in cuity of Peter Bronson and again a
Speaker 1: strong recommendation for any reader or somebody who's interested in history,
Speaker 1: generally speaking local Greater Cincinnati, Kentucky, Ohio history. His books
Speaker 1: are fantastic. Ree Promised Land, how the Midwest was one
Speaker 1: preceded by the Man Who Saves Cincinnati, which is actually
Speaker 1: the sequel historically speaking, Promised Land, the prequel to The
Speaker 1: Man Who Saves Cincinnati. But in order in which they
Speaker 1: were written, I'm going backwards. Then you get to Forbidden
Speaker 1: Fruits in City Underworld, in the supper Club Inferna, that
Speaker 1: of course refer to the Beverly Hills supper Club and
Speaker 1: the mob connection with that burning down not in our town,
Speaker 1: the Queen City versus the King of Smut, and that
Speaker 1: one is about Larry Flint pornography generally speaking, but beyond that,
Speaker 1: and there's more there. Just go to find Peter Bronson online.
Speaker 1: Just go to Chilidog Press dot com. And I had
Speaker 1: a listener send me a book. He wrote himself. He
Speaker 1: heard me talking to you, he heard me mentioned Chili
Speaker 1: Dog Press, and he reached out to you, and he
Speaker 1: wrote me a letter. He sent me a copy of
Speaker 1: his book along with a very nice note talking about
Speaker 1: how awesome you are. You helped him out, you gave
Speaker 1: him some guidance, and in fact, I do believe you
Speaker 1: published his book so Fantastic as a neat story. So
Speaker 1: thank you for inspiring. Also, there's other local writers out there.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I was a lawyer, I used
Speaker 1: to write all the time, and to the extent not
Speaker 1: you know, putting pen to paper and thoughts and just
Speaker 1: it's been so long, I don't know, but I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there do it. So they
Speaker 1: draw a lot of inspiration from you. And with that
Speaker 1: small publishing company, I think you provide folks who otherwise
Speaker 1: wouldn't have an avenue.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: We do about twelve fifteen titles a year, all kinds
Speaker 2: of things, children's books, biographies, fiction, science fiction, mysteries, whatever
Speaker 2: people want to write. Now I can help them pretty
Speaker 2: much from start to finish, coaching, editing, helping them work
Speaker 2: through writer's block, all kinds of things that happen when
Speaker 2: you're writing a book and getting them over the finish
Speaker 2: line with a good printer, with great designers who do
Speaker 2: fantastic covers, and it all comes together. And it's nothing
Speaker 2: like giving somebody seeing them get that book from the
Speaker 2: time in their hands with their name on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be exciting for the writer. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, look what I created. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: very coast to make furniture, little small, minium mission style stuff,
Speaker 1: and even to this day when I look at it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe I made that. I tried
Speaker 1: to sit on and do that. Now I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: know where to start, but at least I accomplish it
Speaker 1: at one period.
Speaker 3: Very cool.
Speaker 1: It's just like, why not just stick for this topic
Speaker 1: just for a moment, because I do want to get
Speaker 1: back to the media bias thing. But sure, in terms
Speaker 1: of writing a book, is theres sort of a you
Speaker 1: have to have a whole start to finish general concept timeline,
Speaker 1: and then go in and fill in the details. Yes,
Speaker 1: you got to know where you're going from point A
Speaker 1: to Z.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I urge people to always sit down and make
Speaker 2: an outline first. Don't act like it's going to be
Speaker 2: rigid or that you're not going to depart from that,
Speaker 2: because naturally you will as your research progresses or as
Speaker 2: you're writing takes a different direction.
Speaker 3: But if you have that, it's it's like this safety net.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you get lost or you wonder why
Speaker 2: did I digress so far in this direction, you go
Speaker 2: back to your outline and say, this is where I'm going.
Speaker 3: To end up and this is how it all works.
Speaker 1: Like a movie storyboard kind of exactly. Okay, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really does help.
Speaker 2: And I urge most people also to put together their
Speaker 2: whole manuscript before they come to me, because so many
Speaker 2: discover the hard way how difficult it can be to
Speaker 2: write a book. It takes a lot of dedication and
Speaker 2: discipline to finish from start to finish. And so sometimes
Speaker 2: they come and they just send a few chapters and
Speaker 2: I take care of that for them and coach them
Speaker 2: and get them in the right direction.
Speaker 3: But then they never come back.
Speaker 1: So okay, and I can see that life gets in
Speaker 1: the way. Life gets in the way. But I suppose
Speaker 1: it's almost impossible to step outside of yourself and be
Speaker 1: objective about whether what you're writing is appealing, whether it
Speaker 1: is interesting. You know, I always give props, say what
Speaker 1: you want about Bill O'Reilly his Killing series books, for example,
Speaker 1: either're just so easy to read. They're fascinating his writing style,
Speaker 1: and I know he has help, but it it just
Speaker 1: it's sort of compelling. You're like, you don't want to
Speaker 1: put it down. There's an art to There's got to
Speaker 1: be an art to saying I can't put this book down.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite authors, Dostoyevsky. You can put that down,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, there's only so much Fyodor dost
Speaker 1: ask You can take it in an hour or so
Speaker 1: and then it's like, all right, I'm coming back to
Speaker 1: this later. Take a break, right, But you know, in
Speaker 1: terms of those maybe it's just the length of the book,
Speaker 1: and perhaps it's the subject matter, because of course Dusky's
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Speaker 1: you know, Bill O'Reilly's right.
Speaker 2: Vsky is the whiskey and the chaser is something by
Speaker 2: John grisham Er, you know, so you go, you know,
Speaker 2: so I do him as a little bit of bullfi.
Speaker 2: I read two books at the same time, maybe five
Speaker 2: books at the same time. But I can go back
Speaker 2: to Dostoevsky, but then I'll have to have a chaser
Speaker 2: of Stephen Hunter, Jonathan Gilstrapper, some of the thriller writers
Speaker 2: that I like, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You got to lighten things up every once in a while.
Speaker 1: An we'll bring him back.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 1: I got further questions about this shift in media bias.
Speaker 1: We did talk about the enquire and I don't want
Speaker 1: to say it's demise, but it's rapid decline. And you
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Speaker 1: we have seen post Trump election and sort of their
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Speaker 1: a renaissance in media. I'm really curious to pick your
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Speaker 1: If you have ERCD talk station. I am enjoying the
Speaker 1: hell out of this conversation I'm having, both on and
Speaker 1: off air with Peter Bronson. You may remember from back
Speaker 1: in his Enquire days, and he was there for a long,
Speaker 1: long time. Of course, a wonderful, wonderful author. Chili Dog
Speaker 1: Press to find Peter's books as well as if you
Speaker 1: consider yourself a bit of a writer, he is a publisher.
Speaker 1: So you can work with Peter on that. But beyond that, Peter,
Speaker 1: going back to your Enquire days, and we all we
Speaker 1: already talked about the world a completely different place. At
Speaker 1: one point, you got straight reporting. You would interview the
Speaker 1: Dems and the Republicans, but you'd interview them, you'd put
Speaker 1: their comments in print, the factual information behind it, and
Speaker 1: then let their leaders draw the readers draw their own conclusions.
Speaker 1: Now bias started leaking into it. And I know about
Speaker 1: that because I've been around long enough to remember when
Speaker 1: a lot of people in my youth, even I mean
Speaker 1: going back to like even I suppose my college years,
Speaker 1: you know, eighty three to eighty all the way through
Speaker 1: law school is ninety. But you hear people all the time,
Speaker 1: oh screw the Enquire. They just become this left wing rag.
Speaker 1: And it did start moving further and further left readership,
Speaker 1: I'll obviously declined. And now we're at a time where
Speaker 1: we have internet and I know, the paper itself now
Speaker 1: is a lot of repetition from USA today. I have
Speaker 1: Sharon Coolidge on the program, and you know, whatever her
Speaker 1: political biases are, I actually kind of feel sorry for
Speaker 1: her because she is trying to accomplish by doing, you know,
Speaker 1: going to city hall, she went to the damn train
Speaker 1: sale meetings. Since she's trying to accomplish as one single
Speaker 1: human being, what a whole team of people used to
Speaker 1: go out there and do so. Sharon, if you're out there,
Speaker 1: God bless you. But beyond that, this bias crept into it.
Speaker 1: But it's not. The InCAR is an illustration of that
Speaker 1: all across this great land. We call it the you know,
Speaker 1: the the mainstream media, which everybody knows is shorthand for
Speaker 1: this interjection of commentary and political bias into normal news reporting.
Speaker 1: All right, moment of reflection seems to be happening right now.
Speaker 1: Look what happened to the ratings at MSNBC after Trump
Speaker 1: got reelected. People even said, you know, we felt like
Speaker 1: we've been lied to. They were perpetuating this myth that
Speaker 1: Biden was razor sharp and lo and behold, everybody's being
Speaker 1: lied to. They lied over and over again by repeating
Speaker 1: the Russia, Russia, Russia. You know, there's nothing here to
Speaker 1: see on Hillary Clinton server and the hunter Biden laptop
Speaker 1: is a myth. All these lies. Yes, but they got
Speaker 1: in trouble because they kept repeating them or not reporting
Speaker 1: on them at all. And they're feeling, obviously if you
Speaker 1: just look at ratings as the barometer, they're feeling the
Speaker 1: aftermath of that pressure.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Now with all that, what do you think is going
Speaker 1: to happen? Will they change their tune? Will they try
Speaker 1: to go back to those days of honest reporting and
Speaker 1: fair and unby balance or balance rather, or do you
Speaker 1: just see this as a continued downward spile.
Speaker 3: So I would believe.
Speaker 2: I believe that there are two ways this can happen,
Speaker 2: and one is the Really it's about the same way
Speaker 2: that the bias was installed to begin with. So in
Speaker 2: my book Not in Our Town, I tell a story
Speaker 2: within the story of the Inquirer newsroom with composite people
Speaker 2: as characters to show how the newsrooms became increasingly political
Speaker 2: and increasingly driven by agendas, and increasingly the editors didn't
Speaker 2: have the backbone to stand up against this and say
Speaker 2: stick to the news, because they would get replaced, as
Speaker 2: happens in newsrooms by people coming up out of college
Speaker 2: in the seventies from the Love generation who wanted to
Speaker 2: change the world by corrupting the institutions to fit their worldview.
Speaker 1: Good point.
Speaker 2: So that's how these institutions were changed from within. Now
Speaker 2: today they can be changed back from within by people
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos, who's saying, Washington Post, you guys are completely
Speaker 2: off track. You've tilted so far to the left. People
Speaker 2: aren't reading our paper. I own it, and I'm a publisher,
Speaker 2: and I want this to be a better product. So
Speaker 2: he is forcing from top down from within as publishers
Speaker 2: used to, and we're seeing that also with the La Times,
Speaker 2: where they're throwing a fit because their publisher is also
Speaker 2: doing the same thing. Now it also can be changed
Speaker 2: from without, and the way that's happening, which is very encouraging,
Speaker 2: I think, is what happened to George Stephanopolos. It's what
Speaker 2: happened to all these media companies who slandered Nicholas Sandman
Speaker 2: in that famous case at the Capitol. So terrible, right,
Speaker 2: it was just horrible. Well, these settlements, they're huge, and
Speaker 2: that does get the publishers and the media's attention to say.
Speaker 1: That's a great point.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, So finally, in.
Speaker 1: Other words, they can be held accountable exactly.
Speaker 2: And you're seeing people like Clarence Thomas and Alitos saying
Speaker 2: this libel laws have gone way too far to protect
Speaker 2: media and it's all done. All these precedents were set
Speaker 2: back in the days and we didn't even have online
Speaker 2: media and all these competitive platforms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, New York Time standard with the bias.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the absolute malise standard is just ridiculous. And public
Speaker 2: figures being subject to this. So when Trump settled and
Speaker 2: what I read George Stephanoppolis had to pay a million
Speaker 2: out of his own pocket. So that's the kind of
Speaker 2: thing that does get the attention of the media.
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 1: I hope so too. At one follow we get back
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Speaker 1: See the talk station seven fifty if you have KCD
Speaker 1: talk station by the time, it's with Peter Bronson quote
Speaker 1: over a variety of subjects this morning. But since we
Speaker 1: got into the concept of media bias, and Peter goes
Speaker 1: back far enough in the days of like, for example,
Speaker 1: the Inquirer, where he spent a lot of years, it
Speaker 1: was much more factual reporting. And I had to ask
Speaker 1: the question because again the topic of the internet's popped
Speaker 1: up number of times this morning. I can sit down,
Speaker 1: I can literally write anything I want. I could go
Speaker 1: to a Sincant council meeting, I could listen, I could observe,
Speaker 1: I could write down the facts, I could write down quotes.
Speaker 1: I could come and put it on any literally any
Speaker 1: site I want, which is fulfilling the responsibility of or
Speaker 1: the job title of a journalist. And what bothers me
Speaker 1: in you mentioned it before it started in the early
Speaker 1: seventies when the old schools started getting replaced by the
Speaker 1: new people, the free speech movement people, the students for
Speaker 1: Democratic Society people, the ones who got a liberal, left
Speaker 1: wing biased journalism degree and took that out into the
Speaker 1: world and then started interjecting their own political philosophy into it,
Speaker 1: which rubbed a lot of us the wrong way anyway.
Speaker 1: But that was the product of having gone through journalism school.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Now, what possible benefit or what point is there to
Speaker 1: journalism school? If I can do everything a journalist, what
Speaker 1: does that journalism degree give me? If I said I
Speaker 1: want to be a reporter, Now, aren't I a reporter
Speaker 1: simply by doing and fulfilling the role that I just mentioned?
Speaker 1: Or do I lack some sort of credential or credibility
Speaker 1: or something like a pass that I need to get
Speaker 1: in any get in space. What's the story on this?
Speaker 3: Well, A lot of.
Speaker 2: People in the newsroom when I was starting out used
Speaker 2: to have the view that journalism really went off the
Speaker 2: track when it became known as journalism. In other words,
Speaker 2: it was all part of credentialism. So once upon a time,
Speaker 2: being a reporter was a trade, and you just needed
Speaker 2: to have a high school good high school education in English,
Speaker 2: be able to write on deadline and put together a sentence,
Speaker 2: and adhere to the professional standards, which were fairness, honesty,
Speaker 2: tell both sides, be thorough, all of those things that
Speaker 2: we don't see anymore.
Speaker 1: Which would have been the job of an editor to
Speaker 1: keep you in line, right exactly. So, yeah, editor reporter
Speaker 1: that you see in the nineteen thirties movies.
Speaker 3: Ah yeah, I gotta get out of that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go say, yeah, I saw the fight today
Speaker 1: and you know, kid Muggsy knocked out someone. So so
Speaker 1: they put the article together, the editor would look at
Speaker 1: it and say, come on, what is this arc or
Speaker 1: great job actual reporting or that would be the control mechanism.
Speaker 2: Exactly, big fat red g Reese pencil and it just
Speaker 2: goes right through your copy.
Speaker 1: I work for guys like that.
Speaker 2: They would slice you to ribbons and sometimes they would
Speaker 2: accompany that with a side of abuse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you go back and write it again. But
Speaker 1: that was that was not really considerate. I'm serious. I'm
Speaker 1: having Vietnam like flashbacks now, Peter.
Speaker 3: It would be more like a trade like mechanics and
Speaker 3: plumbers and people. We had a job to do.
Speaker 2: But then the colleges decided they could create this whole
Speaker 2: program and credential it and call it journalism, which is
Speaker 2: a pretentious French word for reporter. That's all it is,
Speaker 2: and journalists. Now people have this total confusion about what
Speaker 2: is a journalist. They think people on cable news are journalists.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 2: They're commentators, they're they're pundits, they're opinion people. People like Stephanopolos.
Speaker 2: He's a political operative. He worked in the Clinton administration.
Speaker 2: He was one of the guys who covered up for
Speaker 2: slick Willie.
Speaker 1: Well, he's also not writing what he's reading. That's why
Speaker 1: they call him talking heads exactly.
Speaker 3: They don't write anything. They read a teleprompter.
Speaker 2: Now, I know a lot of TV people, especially on
Speaker 2: the local level, are doing a heck of a job
Speaker 2: reporting the news and gathering news and writing news.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: But when you get up to a certain level like
Speaker 2: on Fox or CNN or MSNBC, people like Rachel Mattos
Speaker 2: is not a journalist. None of those people on MSNBC
Speaker 2: are journalists. None of them have a journalist and background
Speaker 2: that I know of. There are very few that actually
Speaker 2: worked in the trade like newspapers or coming up through
Speaker 2: the ranks.
Speaker 1: They were never apprentice, exactly a journeyman.
Speaker 2: They basically most of them moved out of politics sideways,
Speaker 2: and that's where they scored the big money. Like Stephanopolos
Speaker 2: paid three million a year to do what to interview people?
Speaker 2: He's really basically I think he's a functionary of the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean to the extent they allow so
Speaker 1: much of his political bias to creep into whatever he's
Speaker 1: reading off of the teleprompter. That's exactly what he is.
Speaker 1: Whether he's officially a member of any given you know,
Speaker 1: political action committee or party affiliated guy has a role
Speaker 1: in some capacity. Outside of his role, he is filling
Speaker 1: that function by just simply parroting their political message exactly.
Speaker 3: So here's another analogy. So when I worked as editor
Speaker 3: or the editorial page.
Speaker 2: We had what we called a wall between church and state,
Speaker 2: which was the editorial page was the publisher's page, and
Speaker 2: that's where all the opinions were.
Speaker 3: Right over here is the newsroom.
Speaker 2: We don't commingle, We don't we don't have opinions in
Speaker 2: the news, and we don't have that much news in
Speaker 2: the opinions we comment. So that gradually became so blurred
Speaker 2: because the reporters were not content to have opinions on
Speaker 2: the editorial page that they couldn't Rebut so if you
Speaker 2: had a conservative editorial page, you had reporters out there
Speaker 2: working to undermine and answer that like a letter to
Speaker 2: the editor in their columns and their and their stories.
Speaker 2: And now we don't even have editorial pages because really
Speaker 2: the news side took over the function.
Speaker 1: Peter Brunson, this has been a real treat. What a
Speaker 1: wonderful I'll even call it Christmas present for me to
Speaker 1: be able to talk with you for another hour. And
Speaker 1: now I find out that we both belong to the
Speaker 1: same gun range. So we're going to go out shooting
Speaker 1: some time together. I look forward to to that'd be great.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and lunch sometime where we can talk books, again. Yeah, Peter,
Speaker 1: You're always welcome on the program. I look, maybe something
Speaker 1: we can just sort of conceptually contemplate the idea of
Speaker 1: you coming in maybe you know, a few times next year,
Speaker 1: a little bit more often, and do exactly this, because
Speaker 1: I think it's a wonderful exercise to talk and reflect
Speaker 1: on these matters, historic and otherwise. And again chilidogpress dot
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Speaker 1: interested in becoming a book are having your book published,
Speaker 1: you need to talk to Peter about that. Seven fifty
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