1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,799 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A. Here at proven Winners Colored Choice Shrubs. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,839 It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:16,440 me Rick Weisten, our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, 4 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:21,000 you and I both love plants and flowers. As a 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,280 matter of fact, I'm gifting myself plants and flowers pretty 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:30,039 much every week, and certainly not just on Valentine's Day. 7 00:00:30,039 --> 00:00:34,159 Although I would say Valentine's Day should inspire most people 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,560 to grow, let's say, cut flowers in their landscape during 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,719 the growing season, maybe to have mixed bouquets, make your 10 00:00:44,759 --> 00:00:51,600 expression of love a cottage garden, because this holiday creates 11 00:00:51,679 --> 00:00:57,119 all kinds of mixed emotions for people. Some people do 12 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:02,000 not like Valentine's Day, some people ignore it, other people 13 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:06,799 love it. My favorite thing about Valentine's Day I have 14 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:11,319 it marked on my calendar. February fifteen. That's when I 15 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:15,159 hit the stores for that candy that's now sale priced 16 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:18,439 and I stock up on pink and red Eminem's. 17 00:01:20,239 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: That's okay, I mean, after holiday candy sales are a 18 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:29,120 very good opportunity, you know. And it's true that especially 19 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:32,599 cut flowers do become a lot more expensive at Valentine's say, 20 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:35,519 it's a simple issue of supply and demand. But I 21 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:40,640 loved your idea about using this notion of bouquets Chigarawa 22 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,879 cut Flower garden, because you could get your Valentine a 23 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,040 bouquet of seeds for cut flowers. Sure, get them twelve 24 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:53,920 different seed packets probably will come in time and you're 25 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,640 gardening Valentine or yourself. We'll be very happy, you know. 26 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:00,519 I do want to also say long stem rows are 27 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:04,400 like the ultimate Valentine's Day plant, right, I don't need 28 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:08,000 to tell you you live most of your career. I 29 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:11,800 cannot tell you how many times people have come up 30 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,000 to me and said, I want to grow long stemmed roses. 31 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:16,120 Which ones should I pick? 32 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: Well? 33 00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:20,879 Speaker 2: The simple fact is that the long steminess is not 34 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,360 so much a function of the plant itself. It's the 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,319 way that it is grown. And with the roses, you know, 36 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:30,120 they have to get those long stems, so they're taking 37 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,240 off buds and it's much more labor intensive than short 38 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,840 stemmed roses. And I just feel like, you know that whole, 39 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,280 like long stem roses being like the ultimate romantic thing, 40 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:44,360 Like I don't know that just seems very outdated to me. 41 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: It's red and it's romance, so that's the way it is. 42 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,960 And then you get poetry thrown into the mix, you know. 43 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,960 And I was thinking roses are red. This much is true. 44 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,719 But violets are violet and certainly not blue. Remember when 45 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:04,639 we did the show and on the color blue, and 46 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,960 people would say that's not blue cultural blue, yeah, horticultural. 47 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: And also violets are violet and it is a beautiful 48 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:12,879 color it is. 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: So it's a reminder that flowers are powerful symbols for 50 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:24,639 expressing complex emotions. Flowers engage multiple senses sites, smell, sometimes 51 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:30,080 touch to create a multi sensory experience that can alter 52 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:34,680 a person's mood. So you can probably tell that, especially 53 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,240 having spent close to fifty years in the retail industry, 54 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:43,759 I don't get real excited about Valentine's Day, but I'm 55 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:48,639 going to temper my enthusiasm here and say that I 56 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:56,120 do realize that Valentine's Day at least creates an awareness 57 00:03:56,159 --> 00:04:01,840 of that multisensory approach and how important flowers are in 58 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:02,639 our lives. 59 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: They really are. And I also would argue that the 60 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,120 timing of Valentine Valentine's Day, which I know is based 61 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:12,439 on the feast of Saint Valentine and has nothing to 62 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:15,280 do with the fact that it is the most abysmal, 63 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,360 dismal part of winter. And it's just, frankly a great 64 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:24,199 time to treat yourself to some plants and greenery to 65 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,720 try to make it through this awful second half of winter, 66 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:31,279 because like it's pretty much halfway through meteorological winter, right, 67 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:33,759 can't wait for sure, and I guess it's no. I 68 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:37,439 guess meteorological winter is December through February. But still, like 69 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,480 we've had a long time of very bad weather. And 70 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:45,199 if you're going crazy, you've got cabin fever, then yeah, 71 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,480 make things more lively inside, make things more exciting, and 72 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,920 treat yourself to a plant or two or more, or 73 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:54,759 any plant you want. It doesn't have to be one 74 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:57,680 of these Valentine's Day gift plants. It can be something 75 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,480 from the houseplants section. It could be going on a 76 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,360 shopping bonanza on an online garden center. There's lots of 77 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:09,839 different ways that you can kind of, you know, use 78 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,600 the prevalence of plants and flowers at this time of 79 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,680 year to your advantage. Even if you don't, you know, 80 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:17,279 celebrate Valentines. 81 00:05:17,519 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: That's true, celebrating Valentine's I mean, I've always said that 82 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:26,079 Valentine's Day is a day when a couple will fall 83 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,279 asleep ten minutes into a movie that they spent an 84 00:05:29,319 --> 00:05:33,759 hour picking out. But there are cool gifts out there. 85 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:36,360 I mean they have these I Love You stamps that 86 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:41,199 you can stamp into the toast when you're having a breakfast, 87 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,480 which is kind of cool. They've got these rings you 88 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,720 can buy and you put a dime in there and 89 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,240 then it becomes a dime in ring. Beef jerky with 90 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:54,160 the heart messages, and you know because in grade school 91 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:55,839 we always handed out those candies. 92 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah message. They have beef jerky with that. 93 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have beef jerky now too. 94 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:07,879 Speaker 2: Is it heart shaped? 95 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,759 Speaker 1: Yes, they're heart shaped beef jerky. Don't edit this out, Adriana. 96 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:17,519 Let's just be real, you know. 97 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:21,519 Speaker 2: Well, the fact is, as with the plants and flowers, 98 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:24,240 there's something for everyone. And I'll bet that beef jerky 99 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,519 will be on sale the next day too, So while 100 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:30,639 you're going for your half priced pink candy, then you 101 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:31,439 can get those two. 102 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I do want to mention carnations and Alstromeria 103 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:40,439 for me, are great long lasting cut flowers. Part of 104 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,399 the reason you should also grow them in your landscape. 105 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,639 So Proven Winters has the paint the town series of 106 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,319 Dianthus or pinks as some people call them, and the 107 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:56,319 Inca series of Peruvian lily, which I love in my landscape. 108 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: Right, and so this is your first year trying to overwinter. 109 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: It, right, Yes, so we're going to see what right. 110 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,519 Speaker 2: I have to say this is a little bit off topic, 111 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,639 but I have been very, very concerned about the temperatures. 112 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:11,560 You know, I have been very happy with my fig 113 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,360 plant in my garden. It's gotten very large, and now 114 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:19,199 I'm like kind of dreading what's gonna happen in May. 115 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:21,639 I'm sure you're feeling the same way about some of 116 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,120 that stuff, you know, but it will be a learning 117 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:28,839 experience which is just as important, even though it can 118 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:31,680 be a little bit heartbreaking. But you know, the fact 119 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:34,720 is the temperatures that we have had lately here and 120 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:36,720 not just here in Michigan, I mean over most of 121 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:40,279 the eastern half of the US. It's not just that 122 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:44,199 it got that cold, it's how long it has stayed 123 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,120 that cold. And that's what's concerning me. You know, a 124 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,600 couple of nights dipping into you know, very cold temperatures. 125 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:52,360 But you know, during that cold snap, you know, I 126 00:07:52,399 --> 00:07:55,199 woke up that Saturday morning and looked at my phone 127 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:58,680 and the air temperature was negative three And I have 128 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,079 never I don't think I've ever experience that in my garden. 129 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:06,879 So yeah, I'm a little bit concerned. You mentioning your 130 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:09,160 Alstromeria just reminded me that. 131 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: January this year has been two hundred and thirty six days. 132 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 133 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: Well, you know it just makes our spring shopping even 134 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:18,959 more exciting. 135 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: Spring will be so much sweeter. So look for unique 136 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,480 and create a Valentine's Day plant gifts including heart shaped 137 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:32,519 hoyas a hoya heart, vibrant pink or red, and thuriums 138 00:08:32,879 --> 00:08:36,519 is a great choice in my opinion, trailing string of 139 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:42,080 hearts that's a fun plant, elegant orchids. We've talked before 140 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,720 about heart to heart kalladiums and for long lasting options, 141 00:08:47,159 --> 00:08:51,759 a philodendron, pink princess. And I even experienced where some 142 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:54,759 people would reach out to me as a foliage plant 143 00:08:54,799 --> 00:09:00,559 buyer asking for olive trees to signify lasting love. 144 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:03,639 Speaker 2: Oh olive trees are, you know, very cool. Now, if 145 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,720 you are someone who is shopping for a gardener for 146 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:10,519 Valentine's Say or anytime, you probably aren't listening to the 147 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,480 show the person who is the gardener is. But just 148 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,000 in case, the best thing that you can do for 149 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,360 your plant loving Valentine is to go to the garden 150 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:23,399 center with them. Don't pick something out if you're like 151 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:25,080 worried that you're not going to be able to pick 152 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,159 out the right thing. Go to the garden center together, 153 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,320 have a ball looking at all of the plants, get 154 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,159 as excited about the plants as they are if you can, 155 00:09:34,759 --> 00:09:37,159 and then make that purchase together, you know, because it's 156 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:40,159 a good idea. That's just like a fun thing to 157 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,440 do when we're all cooped up inside and you know, 158 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,399 go into a garden center is at Valentine's sayer anytime 159 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,320 during winter is Honestly, it's just a great way to 160 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,120 kind of give yourself a little bit of hope and 161 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:54,759 make it over the finish line. 162 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:58,639 Speaker 1: And another suggestion that I would have is don't buy 163 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,000 a milar bloe. 164 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: Oh amen to that. 165 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: Don't do it. This is coming from mister Valentine here 166 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:08,440 as a matter of fact, I've written Rick's mylar balloon 167 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:11,360 rant Limerick, so I'm going to go on a little 168 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,879 rant here, Stacy, I take the occasion to lampoon that 169 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,720 gas bag in a typhoon. Forgive my rant, but buy 170 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:25,080 a plant and ditch the mylar balloon. Your lover wants 171 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,279 flowers in cash, hand written cards, make a splash, but 172 00:10:29,399 --> 00:10:34,200 forever your birthday lives on at a landfill in Tucson 173 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,200 with other sentimental trash. When your balloon becomes rubble, you've 174 00:10:40,279 --> 00:10:45,519 started some trouble. The transformer blew up, the powers out, Buttercup, 175 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,559 I'm sorry to burst your bubble. You would not believe 176 00:10:49,639 --> 00:10:52,919 the number of milar balloons I pick up walking along 177 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,960 the beach or that come up in the surf. 178 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,879 Speaker 2: I shudder to think. But fortunately a lot of places 179 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:01,279 are banning them, especially on beaches. Yes, but yeah, it is. 180 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,559 It is a huge problem. 181 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,279 Speaker 1: Now we'll see how Stacy brings this in for a 182 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:08,200 landing and ties it all together and plants on trial. 183 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,360 That's coming up next here on the Gardening Simplified. 184 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: Show, Beautify your home and community with proven winner's color 185 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,960 choice shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique 186 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:27,200 varieties to choose from. There's a flowering, shrubber, evergreen for 187 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:30,440 every taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive 188 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,200 white container your local garden center or learn more at 189 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:38,480 proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and 190 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:42,720 welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where obviously the 191 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,360 elephant in the room is Valentine's Day coming up, and 192 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,799 Rick is not a fan, and I have to say 193 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,639 I'm kind of indifferent about it. You know, I don't 194 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,320 need a special holiday to celebrate being in love, because 195 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,159 you know, if you're lucky enough to be with someone 196 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:01,519 that you love every day is wonderful. And you don't 197 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,919 need to set this out. But I will say it 198 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,080 is an excellent opportunity to buy plants, yes, and that 199 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,080 is where to me the real value is because garden 200 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,559 center's restock, you know, and a lot of people you 201 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,440 know might not want to go out to a garden center. Ah, 202 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,480 this selection is going to be so picked over. I'll 203 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,360 tell you the best election you're going to see of 204 00:12:21,399 --> 00:12:24,960 house plants is probably what the week two weeks before Valentine. 205 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely and a garden center or a greenhouse this time 206 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,039 of the year could use the little boost of you 207 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,279 gracing the door of their establishments too. 208 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,639 Speaker 2: But because we do know so many people are shopping 209 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,960 for plants at this time of year, whether in person 210 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:44,039 or online, we do have a special guest in the 211 00:12:44,159 --> 00:12:47,639 last segment of the show coming up, doctor Jessica Turner Scoff, 212 00:12:47,759 --> 00:12:51,799 who is the Associate director of Science Communications at Longwood Gardens, 213 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,600 the infamous Longwood Gardens, is going to be joining us 214 00:12:55,639 --> 00:12:59,879 and talking about plant poaching. Now you might think like what, 215 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,759 but she is going to be telling us how close 216 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,679 really to us, even to the average gardener or plantoffs 217 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,519 plant collector, how close plant poaching really can be. So 218 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,720 it's going to be very interesting, something a little bit 219 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,519 different for the show, but lots of good information, I 220 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,159 am sure, so please be sure to stick around to 221 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:22,919 the very end. But for now we are talking about 222 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,799 Plants on Trial, which is where we tell you about 223 00:13:25,799 --> 00:13:27,799 one of the three hundred and fifty plus preven winner's 224 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,639 color choice shrubs or trees and give you some reasons 225 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,720 why you might want to plant it in your garden. Now, 226 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,080 today's is a bit of a two fur. The plant 227 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:45,080 on Trial is Midnight Express Cursus also known as red bud, 228 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,120 and I chose her for two reasons. Number one, because 229 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,799 if you've ever seen one before, any red bud, midnight 230 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,279 Express or otherwise, it is one of the plants that 231 00:13:57,399 --> 00:14:01,320 nature has blessed with almost perfectly heartshe leaves. There are 232 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:04,039 very few other plants that haven't been you know, bread 233 00:14:04,159 --> 00:14:09,120 or developed that just have such an amazingly perfect heart 234 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:12,399 shaped leaf. And I think it's really really charming. And 235 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,759 the number the other reason that I chose it is 236 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:19,879 because I personally love red bud. It is native to 237 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,000 much of the Eastern actually much of the US in general. 238 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:25,039 The further west you get, the more likely York to 239 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,320 get into a different species than we have over here 240 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,919 on the east side. Surcsus canadensis. But you'll find it growing, 241 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:35,799 you know, all over from Michigan to Minnesota down to Oklahoma. 242 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:42,399 It's everywhere. And when it blooms in spring, it has pink, 243 00:14:42,679 --> 00:14:47,080 tiny pink pea shaped flowers, wispy and yeah, just this 244 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,240 beautiful texture. And you know, in our trial garden across 245 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:54,320 the Grand River, you just see in the woods there 246 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:58,039 just this haze of pink that just kind of emerges 247 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,360 out of the brown of the woods. And then you know, 248 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:05,360 at that same time, ammilenkir or service berry is blooming, 249 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:10,240 and our native flowering dogwood is also blooming, and together 250 00:15:10,679 --> 00:15:17,720 they just make this most magical combination of flowers that 251 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:20,799 you know, they're early to blooms, are just coming out 252 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,919 of this long winter, and you just see this kind 253 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,799 of floral symphony. I mean, just even thinking about it, 254 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,960 I just get so excited. So I love that. 255 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: The magical thing for me, Stacy with redbud is the 256 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,840 fact that the blooms come out before the foliage. Yes, 257 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:38,639 so you see that. It's it's like these the blooms 258 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:41,879 are just suspended in mid air. Yes, that's why I 259 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:43,200 say wispy. I love it. 260 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: They call that flowering naked. Yes, if if a plant 261 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:49,799 flowers without foliage, that is a flowering naked. And yes, 262 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,679 Soursus canadensis, our native redbud flowers naked, and so yeah 263 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,559 without I mean, of course we love green, but without 264 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,639 the green on the plant, that pink just pops so much. 265 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,879 Another really cool thing about Cursus or red bud is 266 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:08,039 it exhibits a trait called califluory. And yes, that sounds 267 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,679 like cauliflower and has actually spelled much the same c 268 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,639 A U l I f l O r Y calliflory, 269 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,919 and that basically means the phenomenon of flowering directly on 270 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,919 the stem. So whereas you know, most plants will flower 271 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:27,600 and they'll create growth and then the you know, flower 272 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:29,240 will appear at the end of the stem, like with 273 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,080 roses or hydranges, what happens with cursus or red bud 274 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,080 is the flowers formed directly on the stem with just 275 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,799 a tiny little stock. And so you can actually find 276 00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:44,000 red buds that look like their trunk is covered in 277 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:46,919 these bright pink powder puffs, because it makes these really 278 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,639 cool little clusters of flowers directly on the trunk, and 279 00:16:50,679 --> 00:16:52,960 it's just it's just a charming little thing. You don't 280 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,720 all see them do that. But it's just a great plant. 281 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,159 And of course it's native, so I have it close 282 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,840 to my heart. But the other thing, since this is 283 00:17:01,919 --> 00:17:05,680 plant on trials, is I think that red bud is 284 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,880 a fantastic choice for it's a small tree that's perfect 285 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:11,799 for a specimen tree in your yard. 286 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: Yes it is. 287 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,319 Speaker 2: It's a great size, It has that really amazing moment 288 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,279 in spring, has the charming foliage some people don't like 289 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:24,599 the seedheads. I personally do like the seedheads. They look 290 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,920 like kind of dried brown beans hanging from the tree. 291 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,880 I actually like it. 292 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm good with it. And the tree provide, you know, 293 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,440 there's filtered light that gets through the tree. And then 294 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,200 if you can take that magical experience you're describing Stacy 295 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:44,400 and in the location of that tree, have some tulips 296 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:44,960 in bloom. 297 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Gilbelila pour it on? 298 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:50,599 Speaker 1: Whoa pour it on? Exactly? 299 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:54,759 Speaker 2: But is pretty as the heart shaped foliage is. You 300 00:17:54,839 --> 00:17:56,799 might be the kind of gardener who wants something a 301 00:17:56,839 --> 00:17:59,599 little bit extra in your red bud, and that is 302 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,400 exactly what Midnight Express Redbud does for you. So this 303 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,119 really cool variety came out of Robinson Nursery in Oregon. 304 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,960 Josh and Chris Robinson of Robinson Nursery developed this plant 305 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,640 or selected it from their very large tree nursery. They 306 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,119 are expert tree growers, and its foliage is a dark 307 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,279 purple black. Now, as we've already said, Cursus does flower naked, 308 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:29,039 so you're never going to get the combination of the 309 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:31,960 pink flowers and that dark purple foliage. It would be 310 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,759 fabulous if you did. You're not going to get that. 311 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:36,599 But that's okay, because what you're gonna get is that 312 00:18:36,759 --> 00:18:40,359 wonderful flower display in spring, and then as the flowers 313 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,759 start to fade, then that dark, purply black foliage comes out, 314 00:18:43,799 --> 00:18:46,720 and then that's going to keep the plant really interesting 315 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:47,799 all season long. 316 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to go out on a limb here and 317 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,200 ask you a question. Then, Having worked in the industry 318 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:57,920 for so many years, the standard was always forest pansy, 319 00:18:58,599 --> 00:18:59,519 how does this compare? 320 00:18:59,559 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: Right? 321 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: Ris Panze is also a purple variety. It was one 322 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,079 of the I think it was the first purple variety, 323 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,319 and I remember when it came out, it was all 324 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,000 the right. People went bonkers for it. And it is 325 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:14,400 a beautiful plant. But it is a plant that resents 326 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:18,839 anything less than ideal conditions. So if it's not growing 327 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,200 under great conditions, say it's growing in an urban area 328 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,119 where it's going to be hot and maybe not get 329 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:30,359 regular water, it often gets different diseases. It's kind of 330 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,400 a weak grower. It's harder to propagate and to grow on. 331 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,799 So Midnight Express resolves all of those issues. It's going 332 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,400 to be much more vigorous, much more resistant to disease. 333 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:45,480 And it's gonna you know, have much brighter color, much 334 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:49,759 more vivid true colors in that purple black as well. 335 00:19:50,759 --> 00:19:53,200 So it's really just a great choice. And you know, 336 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:57,440 as with all you know, plant development, we're always looking 337 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,319 for ways to you know, make sure that the plant 338 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,880 performs better for you so that you don't have to 339 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,519 work as hard and you don't say, old, jeezu, why 340 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:05,720 did I waste my money on this? This plant is 341 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,279 weak and sad. You want your plants to be happy 342 00:20:09,319 --> 00:20:13,319 and robust and healthy, so it's a great choice for that. Now, 343 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,000 I will say that overall, red bud is not dear resistant. 344 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:21,039 I have tried to grow small plants myself many times 345 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:24,079 and they always get munched. But one thing I do 346 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,119 really like about them is they do support leaf cutter bees, 347 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,200 and I love leafcutter bees. They are a native bee 348 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,519 that makes this really interesting little notch in the foliage. 349 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:36,880 So that is a good reason to grow them if 350 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:42,759 you don't have any deer to contend with. Now, this 351 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,200 is a plant that's going to be for full sun. 352 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,000 If you have a green leafed red bud, you will 353 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:49,680 be able to get away with it and kind of 354 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:52,559 part shade because these are understory plants that kind of 355 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:56,039 grow on the edge of the forest, but that pigment 356 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,759 that makes that deep, purply black foliage really needs full 357 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,640 in order to come to its best. And you know, 358 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,359 because as is the case very often, when you have 359 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,680 a plant with colorful foliage, it can sometimes be more 360 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,680 susceptible to powdery mildew than it's plain green counterparts. So 361 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,119 if it's in too much shade not getting good air circulation, 362 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,440 you know, that could become a problem. So you want 363 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,680 to make sure that it is in full sun in 364 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:24,160 this case, and if you don't have full sun, just 365 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,799 go ahead and plant the green ones so you get 366 00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:30,480 all of the wonderful qualities of Redbud. Midnight Express is 367 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:34,079 hardy down to USDAS on five heat tolerant through USDAS 368 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,000 one nine gets to be about twenty to thirty feet 369 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:39,359 tall and about ten to twenty feet wide. So that's 370 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,799 really a nice scale, you know, for the average kind 371 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:47,640 of city size lot, suburban lot, and house. And I 372 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,759 think that's really important too. So a very cool plant 373 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:53,319 that I think you will love at least as much 374 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,319 as I do once you get to know it. So 375 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,279 please do add that two year planting list for this spring. 376 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,279 If it spikes your interest, it will be available at 377 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:06,640 garden centers this spring and Midnight Express Redbud is also 378 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,880 the twenty twenty seven and twenty twenty eight Tree of 379 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,640 the Year spoiler alert, so it'll be even more abundant 380 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:16,519 next year. So we're going to take a little break. 381 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,319 When we come back, we're opening up the garden mail bag, 382 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:28,519 so please stay tuned. At Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs, 383 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,759 we know that a better landscape starts with a better shrub. 384 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,799 Our team of experts tests and evaluates all of our 385 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,759 flowering shrubs and evergreens for eight to ten years to 386 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,279 ensure they outperform what's already on the market. For easycare, reliable, 387 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,200 beautiful shrubs to accentuate your home and express your personal style. 388 00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:49,039 Look for Proven Winner's Shrubs in the distinctive white container 389 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,640 at your local garden center or learn more at proven 390 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,279 Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's Gardening friends, and welcome 391 00:22:57,319 --> 00:23:00,319 back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we're talking about 392 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,640 our love for plants. And even if you don't love 393 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,319 Valentine's Day, it is still a great time to get 394 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:09,279 a plant. Get you through the winter and as you 395 00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:11,759 start thinking more and more about gardening, because I feel like, 396 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,079 you know, January is rough, but like I feel like 397 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,960 February is when the spring fever really starts kicking in, 398 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,119 because at that point it's like starting to get closer, 399 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,000 but the weather it's still super crummy. 400 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:23,039 Speaker 3: You know. 401 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,799 Speaker 1: Well, you know, if you're one of those people who 402 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:30,559 loves Valentine's Day, more power to you and send your cards, 403 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:33,799 your notes, your letters to me and change. 404 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: My mind and your half price eminem's. 405 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: Yes, think and write eminems, bring them on. But I'll 406 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,519 take card shaped chocolates too, and beef jerky, oh a 407 00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:44,400 beef jerky too. 408 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: But you know, as we do start to move more 409 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,240 towards the gardening season, and of course cold and snow 410 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:54,839 and everything pile up, you may have a gardening question 411 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,839 of your own and we would be happy to help you. 412 00:23:57,559 --> 00:23:58,880 All you have to do is reach out to us 413 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,920 at Gardening Simplified on air dot com and there is 414 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,680 a contact forum right there. You can even include some photos, 415 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,559 or you can leave a comment on our YouTube show. 416 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,200 Adriana reads all of those and make sure that everybody 417 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,720 gets an answer and if you need one, so lots 418 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,200 of different ways to reach us, and you don't have 419 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,880 to just share your questions or problems with us. You 420 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,559 can share your celebrations with us. And I loved hearing 421 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:28,160 from our listener Ruth recently. She says, this is how 422 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,200 I am beating the winter blues. My Pathiopedalum American beauty 423 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,960 Lady Slipper orchid has blossomed. It is so beautiful. 424 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: Now. 425 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 2: I have to say, you know, when I was younger 426 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,640 and wanted to, you know, collect rare plants and thought 427 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,480 that like orchids were the coolest thing ever an orchids 428 00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:45,720 still are very cool, but I just don't have any. 429 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,799 The pathio Pedalum was the one that I always wanted. 430 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:52,920 This is the one. If you've ever seen like an 431 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,640 orchid show or been to a botanical garden, comes up 432 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,799 on a single stam and just has the most unique 433 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:05,640 lady slip like flower usually dark kind of maroons and pinks. 434 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,559 Speaker 1: And greens and magical. 435 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: Oh so beautiful, and hers is blooming. And so that 436 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,000 is a huge accomplishment for you as an orchid grower 437 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,559 or orchid collector. So yeah, way to grow, way to grow, 438 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,039 to grow, and enjoy that because yes, you have truly 439 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:27,839 accomplished something extraordinary to get a pathiopedulum to rebloom under 440 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,640 normal household conditions. She goes on to say, and last 441 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,759 week i picked up a variegated hoya plant. I'm excited 442 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,079 to see how my hoya plant grows. So we're talking 443 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:39,240 about the Preven Winter's House Plan of the year, the 444 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,119 pink variegated hoya that they have, So Ruth has herself 445 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,000 a variegated hoya as well. So you know, Ruth got 446 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,519 the right idea. Treat yourself to some great indoor plants. 447 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:55,880 Don't try to power through February. It's okay to give 448 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,119 yourself a little botanical cushion with some nice houseplants or 449 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,920 cut flowers, or a shopping spree at your favorite seed 450 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,599 or garden website. 451 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,799 Speaker 1: Like I said, you're among friends and we appreciate it, Ruth. 452 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,680 And if you have a success story like that, we'd 453 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,799 love to hear from you. That's fantastic. 454 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 2: So let's get to some of those questions. Kelsey asks, 455 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:22,759 I was gifted a hellibore about a month ago. I'd 456 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,039 like to keep it a live long enough to plant outside. 457 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:28,799 I live in north central Indiana. The plant has lost 458 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,359 a lot of foliage, though it is still flowering some 459 00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:34,599 and growing some new stems. I'm trying to keep it watered. 460 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,440 It lives in a sunny, south facing windowed room about 461 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,480 eight feet from the windows. But it does not look good. 462 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:41,799 Please advise. 463 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: Oh boy, I love this, and Kelsey, I'll tell you this, Okay. 464 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:49,880 We've talked about this often me all the years that 465 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,559 I spent in the garden center industry. On February fifteen, 466 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,440 not only do I go out to get pink and 467 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:01,119 red Eminem's at seventy five percent off, I'll pick up 468 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,039 some of the hellibores that didn't sell on Valentine's Day. 469 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 2: Also they sell helibors or Valentine's. 470 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,839 Speaker 1: Oh yes, absolutely, you'll see helibores in the gift wrapped 471 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,240 foil wrapped containers six inch pot so hellibores are part 472 00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:21,000 of the mix. There are a number of greenhouses in 473 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,240 Canada that grow them. And then you'll see some of 474 00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:28,359 these hellibores and grocery stores and so I would pick 475 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,319 those up. Sometimes I would take them and just put 476 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,839 them in an unheated shed or garage area or whatever, 477 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,680 and then in spring plant them. 478 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: I feel like this is so you. 479 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:44,039 Speaker 1: Had great success. So you know, I got a seventy 480 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,519 five percent off hellibor and I got some M and ms. 481 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:48,240 Life is good. 482 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,599 Speaker 2: Life is good. Yeah. I mean I have seen this 483 00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:52,480 before too, and I think that you're going to have 484 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,119 much better success getting a hellibor and trying to overwinter 485 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,799 it from Valentine's Day compared to Christmas, because she got 486 00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,680 hers at Christmas time. And you know the fact is 487 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,119 that hellabor, as a hardy plant that grows outside, definitely 488 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,759 is going to struggle in your normal indoor conditions. And 489 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,559 it sounds like you're doing everything right, Kelsey, but you 490 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:14,759 know that's just not the conditions that they want to 491 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,960 be growing in right now. As far as they're concerned, 492 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:20,000 they should be covered in snow and sound asleep under 493 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:23,039 the soil, but they're instead growing eight feet from your 494 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:27,799 window in Indiana. So I would say, you know, definitely, 495 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,359 water sparingly. It's very easy to overwater plants that kind 496 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,759 of want to be dormant. The light sounds like it's fine, 497 00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,480 but I would also say that you know, as long 498 00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:39,720 as you are keeping an eye on it, making sure 499 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,799 it doesn't get too dry or too wet, even if 500 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,000 the thing gets so stressed out and does end up 501 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,480 going dormant. I wouldn't give up on it, you know, 502 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,359 because it's probably going through something very similar to what 503 00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:52,880 it would go through outdoors if it had been a 504 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,279 different life cycle, where it's going to go dormant, but 505 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,160 the root, the crown, and the roots are still alive. 506 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,400 The plant has just gone dormant. So I wouldn't totally 507 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,119 give up even if it seems like it has given up, 508 00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:09,119 because very likely that crown is still alive and can 509 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,079 be planted outside. So don't necessarily panic if everything you're 510 00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,920 seeing above ground is looking less than spectacular. And if 511 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,079 it does die, you know, know that these are grown 512 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,039 as gift plants. 513 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: Yes they are. They're greenhouse grown, but you can do it. 514 00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:26,960 And it is a tough, resilient plant. 515 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,319 Speaker 2: It is. 516 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,559 Speaker 1: When I was doing garden segments on television every year 517 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:34,440 in early March, when there's still some snow on the 518 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,519 ground here in Michigan, we would get out there where 519 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,799 we knew hellabores were and just peel back some of 520 00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:43,920 the snow and ice and there they would be just 521 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,440 budding underneath the snow. And that's a great feeling, Yeah, 522 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,920 for sure, there are even better than em and ms. 523 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: So don't give up Kelsey, but definitely don't overwater it either. 524 00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:57,839 So Beverly Esques, I have some summarific edge of night 525 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,880 hardy hibiscus plans and would like to know if a 526 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,839 Spoma palm tone is a good fertilizer to use on them. 527 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:08,559 Now I look this up as Spoma palm tone. Obviously 528 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:11,799 a fertilizer for palm trees is a four to one 529 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,960 five fertilizer. 530 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,119 Speaker 1: So what don you think interesting? Well, it's easy to 531 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:24,000 overfertilize a palm and create problems that way because generally 532 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,720 they don't need so you know, that's that's a pretty 533 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,720 low analysis four one five. 534 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and most I think that most of the Aspoma 535 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,680 products do tend to have kind of that lower analysis. 536 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,880 You know, they're not like a super strong. But what 537 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,079 I think is interesting about this and that the reason 538 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,759 that she probably mentioned hibiscus is when I looked it up, 539 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,960 Aspoma does sell this as a palm and hibiscus fertilizer. True, 540 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:53,960 Now that middle number one it's a four to one 541 00:30:54,039 --> 00:31:00,200 five fertilizer is phosphorus and tropical hibiscus especially I know 542 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,319 how true This is for you Rosa sharon or perennial 543 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,400 hibiscus like Summarific Edge of Night. But the tropical hibiscus 544 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,759 like Hollywood hibiscus, are very sensitive to high phosphorus. It 545 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,680 ties up other nutrients that they need more. And that's 546 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:17,599 kind of a problem because people will think like, oh, 547 00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:19,759 I should use a blossom booster on this thing, because 548 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:21,880 I want to get a ton of flowers, and you're 549 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,759 actually doing exactly what they shouldn't do, which is applying 550 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:29,400 a bunch of fertilizer of phosphorus, because most blossom boosters 551 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,519 are very high in phosphorus. So I do really like 552 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,319 that this fertilizer is low and phosphorus because the fact is, 553 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,440 as far as residential soils go, in the majority of 554 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,160 the United States, in Canada, we have more than enough 555 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,559 phosphorus in our soils already. You do not need to 556 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,119 add extra phosphorus in most cases in a residential landscape. 557 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,640 And most fertilizers, most commercial fertilizers, are really way too 558 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,720 high in phosphorus, and a plant can't use excess phosphorus 559 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:04,359 to become better. And this is how as we've talked 560 00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:07,759 about before, a lot of the algael blooms begin is 561 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,680 a fertilizer runoff, all the phosphorus and fertilizers running off 562 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,240 into lakes and ponds and so forth, and that feeds 563 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,960 the algae and causes it to really proliferate in the summer. 564 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: True, although most people probably are growing their hibiscus plants 565 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,000 and containers right. 566 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: But this is a trap. This is a perennial hibiscus. Okay, 567 00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,039 so yes, if you're growing out right. So I would 568 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,000 say that palm tone sounds to me like just the 569 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:36,720 perfect all purpose fertilizer, you know, for anything. And you 570 00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:41,960 know whether or not the hardy hibiscus from the Summerific 571 00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:45,119 series need low phosphorus or not, I think is pretty 572 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:48,440 irrelevant because they're getting the phosphorus that they need in 573 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880 your landscape already. So I would say, go ahead and 574 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,119 get the palm tone. Of course, if you don't live 575 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,880 in a climate where palms grow, you're probably gonna have 576 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,559 to special order it because most likely your garden center 577 00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:00,799 in Michigan is not going to be stocked looking as 578 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,799 poem of palm tone. But you can always look at 579 00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:06,759 the analysis and again, always look for ones no matter 580 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,279 what you're trying to fertilize with that middle number low, 581 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:14,960 so you're not unnecessarily applying phosphorus. We're going to take 582 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,559 a little break and when we come back, we are 583 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,480 very excited to be talking to doctor Jessica Turner Scoff 584 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:28,960 from Longwood Gardens, So please stay tuned. Thanks for listening 585 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,640 to the Gardening Simplified Podcast, brought to you by Proven 586 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,799 Winners Color Choice Shrubs. Our award winning flowering shrubs and 587 00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:38,039 evergreens are trialed and tested by experts with your success 588 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:43,200 in mind. Learn more at Proven Winners color Choice dot com. 589 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,160 Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, 590 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,200 where we are very honored to have a very special guest. 591 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:54,079 We are joined by doctor Jessica Turner Scoff. She is 592 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,359 the Associate director for Science Communications at the one and 593 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,839 only Longwood Gardens in Kennett Square, Slovenia. Welcome to the show, Jessica. 594 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:05,279 Speaker 3: Thank you so much to be here. It's incredibly exciting. 595 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,079 This is a great, great podcast slash redeo show, so 596 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:09,360 I'm very excited to be here. 597 00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much for that. Now. I 598 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,639 happened across on LinkedIn a couple months ago a press 599 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,400 release from Longwood Gardens that said that they were joining UH, 600 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:23,679 they were becoming a partnership with the Illegal Plant Trade 601 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:29,519 coalition from Botanic Gardens Conservation International, and the press release 602 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,960 went on to say, and this really surprised me. Quote 603 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,360 each year, plants such as cacti, succulents, orchids, psychicads, or 604 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,800 carnivorous plants are trafficked at significantly higher volume than animals, 605 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,679 often without buyers realizing their purchases fuel habitat, destruction and extinction. 606 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,880 So can you tell us more about like what this means. 607 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,519 I think most people, you know, they see the photos 608 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,519 of you know, Customs and Border Enforcement opening a box 609 00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:59,840 and there's a monkey or something inside, And I don't 610 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,519 think people really think of plant poaching as much of 611 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:02,840 a thing. 612 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely. You know, animals do tend to get a lot 613 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,360 of attention, but plants are, as you mentioned, they are 614 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,800 being threatened by international trades far more than animals are. 615 00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:16,880 And you know it's oftentimes if you're purchasing from a 616 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,880 social media or a non reputable online sellar, and you're 617 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,239 not asking the questions of where did this plant come from? 618 00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:28,360 You could be doing a lot of disservice to the 619 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,360 ecosystems where those plants are from. 620 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,519 Speaker 2: So you know, on the show, we talk a lot 621 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:35,760 about buying plants, of course, and we're usually talking about 622 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,719 buying plants in the nursery or you know, plants that 623 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,159 have come from a grower, plants that were really produced 624 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:47,079 as horticultural almost agricultural crops. And this is so different, right, 625 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,920 because what we're talking about with plant poaching is plants 626 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,480 that have come out of the wild. 627 00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 3: Yes, illegal poaching is far far different than the plants 628 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,239 that you can purchase from your rect pele garden center 629 00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:04,639 or from a garden shop and a botanic garden. This 630 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,599 is when somebody goes out into the wild, finds the 631 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,719 population of plants and just takes them, and oftentimes it's 632 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,519 taken indiscriminately. Everything is usually pulled up from an area, 633 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:19,039 roots are disturbed of other species, and so you're having 634 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,519 a really detrimental impact on not just the species that 635 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,360 is being taken and now is lost from the ecosystem, 636 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,400 but the impact of everything else that is happening from 637 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,639 the poaching that's occurring. 638 00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 2: So all of this would kind of imply that there 639 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,159 is some sort of illicit black market for these plants. 640 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,960 But the truth is that this has very much been 641 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,039 a phenomenon enabled by the Internet. 642 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,039 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, it is. It is in plain sights. 643 00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:51,159 So if you go on to any of the social 644 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:55,079 media or online marketplaces, typically you can find some rare 645 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,639 or unusual plants that are for sale. And if you 646 00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,360 don't know where it came from and you ask and 647 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,760 they can't tell you that it came from a reputable 648 00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:09,159 source or way, than chances are you would be if 649 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:12,239 you purchase it, you would be contributing to a loss 650 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,800 of biodiversity in the wild. 651 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 2: So I'm sure even with that information, you know, a 652 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,840 lot of our listeners are people who hear this are 653 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,199 thinking that would never happen to me. So just how 654 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,119 close you know, is the average avid gardener or houseplant 655 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:33,800 collector to you know the availability of these poached plants. 656 00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 3: Plants are poached far more than the internet trade of animals, 657 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,239 so you know, it's pretty common, and it's occurring with 658 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:47,199 a lot of the more popular houseplants like orchid, succulents, psycads, cacti, 659 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,760 carnivorous plants, and oftentimes it's happening with plants that are 660 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:57,960 really long lived, slow growing, harder to propagate on large scale. 661 00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:00,800 And so that's why a lot of times it's just 662 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,280 easier for people to immediately go out and pull from 663 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,880 the wild. And so we're just asking people to be 664 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,039 really conscientious. And you know, if you're looking for this 665 00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:14,559 really cool, unique plant, especially for like a Valentine's Day gift, 666 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,559 we highly recommend going to make it an experience. Go 667 00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,039 to a garden center, go to a botanic garden, and 668 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,039 go to the garden shop, buy from a place that 669 00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:26,920 knows where the plant came from and can guarantee that 670 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,559 it did not come from an illegal source. 671 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,039 Speaker 2: Well, you know, botanical garden is a great choice because 672 00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:35,719 very often botanical gardens have excellent plant shops with a 673 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,760 lot of really unique plants, and you get to go 674 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,199 to a botanical garden on top of that. Now I'm wondering, 675 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,639 you know how, like obviously in the US, we have 676 00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:48,440 a huge problem with plant blindness, right, like most people 677 00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:51,440 don't even pay attention to plants in the first place. 678 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,119 But yet here we have the situation where you know, 679 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:56,960 poachers are going out into the wild, and just are 680 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,199 they indiscriminately pulling out plants. Are these knowledgeable you know, 681 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,760 horticulturists or botanists on their own and they are just 682 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,159 you know, trying to make a quick buck on the side, 683 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,679 or are they just pulling up a bunch of stuff 684 00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:13,159 and saying, here, you guys, sorted out and put it 685 00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:14,360 on whatever marketplace. 686 00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 3: You know, I think it really it really depends. So 687 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,840 you know, for my dissertation, I did a lot of 688 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,559 work with American gen seine, which is a small medicinal 689 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:25,800 plant that's poached throughout Appalachia, and oftentimes the people that 690 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,320 are proaching that are incredibly knowledgeable. They know what they're doing. 691 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,280 They may not have a full understanding of the implications 692 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,760 that they're causing. But you know, that's one end of 693 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,360 the scale. And then the other end of the scale 694 00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:41,440 is just mass poaching, just taking everything that you can 695 00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,199 because if you don't take it, then you can't make 696 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,480 that money. So along with one of the things that 697 00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:50,480 we really are working on is developing protocols for learning 698 00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:54,360 how to grow some of these really cool, rare or 699 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,920 endangered orchids specifically, and we're learning how to grow them 700 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,320 so we can both conserve them and ultimately, you know, 701 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,880 help offset some of the poaching that is occurring not 702 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,440 just here locally, that around the world. 703 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 2: You know, I'm so glad you said that, because of 704 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,719 course everyone hears Longwood and they think, ooh fountains, ooh gardens, 705 00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:19,079 and they think of it just as this beautiful place 706 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,880 to go, which of course it is, but Longwood is 707 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:28,760 doing so much more, you know, for botany and for horticulture, 708 00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:31,480 and a lot of people they don't even see that 709 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:35,480 really when they go to a visit to Longwood, and you. 710 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 3: Know, one of the things that I hope that you know, 711 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,360 thinking Longwood fountains, Longwood beauty, Longwood Global scientific powerhouse. That's 712 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,480 what I'm here to help with. 713 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 2: We love that we're doing our part too, because yeah, 714 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,639 I mean botanical gardens. People just don't really realize that 715 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,599 is such a key part of their mission and that, 716 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,679 you know, it's a great way for us to all 717 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,719 enjoy more plants when you at Longwood are doing that 718 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,360 kind of research. And I do think it's really interesting 719 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,960 you mentioned American gen scene because I have always heard 720 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,599 that that is probably the most poached plant in North America. 721 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,079 Speaker 3: I would say that that is probably pretty accurate. Yes, 722 00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:18,920 it is being harvested at really high levels. For again, 723 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,960 it ends up in traditional Chinese medicine, so it ends 724 00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:25,119 up in the other end of the world, and people 725 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,039 are taking it without indiscretion because it is such an 726 00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:32,159 important secondary source of income for people. So it's, you know, 727 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,880 one of those things that we need to work on 728 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:38,840 helping provide opportunities to learn how to grow these plants, 729 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,800 teaching people these protocols so hopefully we can offset some 730 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,679 of these long term issues. And now we don't do 731 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,400 American gen seen work at Longwood. We are more focused 732 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,000 on orchids and everything like that. But we want to 733 00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:54,079 give people the tools to be able to grow these plants, 734 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,519 cherish them, love them, and keep them alive and happy 735 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,880 in their homes, in their gardens and in the wild. 736 00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that with the advent of social 737 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,719 media and the Internet, this has become a big problem. 738 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,960 You know. I think about people who are on Facebook 739 00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:18,679 marketplace selling something for five dollars that they we're going 740 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,199 to throw in the trash anyhow, you know, and but 741 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,440 the the internet affords the opportunity to do that. So 742 00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,800 my question for you would be these nefarious types that 743 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,519 that are into plant poaching. Are there certain regions of 744 00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:41,000 the world that they are targeting where there's a significant biodiversity. 745 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,239 Where are your target areas? 746 00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 3: You know, I think it really comes down to where. 747 00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:53,440 You know, biodiversity hotspots are very often what is targeted. 748 00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:55,599 So you know, those are areas where there's a lot 749 00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:58,400 of life. That's basically what that means, you know. So 750 00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,159 and it really depends, like so for cacti, you know 751 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,719 that's going to be in North America in the Southwest. 752 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,239 There's going to be a lot of pressures on them there. 753 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,719 You know, there's going to be pressures. And well, orchids 754 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:17,440 are prolific and worldwide, so they are incredibly beautiful and 755 00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:20,280 important plants, and I think every single one of them 756 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,760 is listed onto the Convention of International Trade of Endangered Species, 757 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,119 so you know, no one should be trafficking them. No 758 00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,039 one should be trafficking plants in general. But you know, 759 00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:34,440 it's really where there's high levels of diversity, there's often 760 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,039 a lot more opportunities, especially for some of these plants 761 00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:39,320 that are so beloved. 762 00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,079 Speaker 1: I mentioned the internet issue because Stacey it's been really 763 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:47,280 eye opening for me working with proven winners, proven winners, 764 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:53,760 Color Choice shrubs, the amount of work, investment research in 765 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,719 bringing a plant to the market. 766 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, And I you know, like to say too 767 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:03,239 is just if you're there's a plant that you're super 768 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,159 super interested in, super super once, just give it some 769 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,039 time because you don't want to be the person that 770 00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,559 takes the last one. But industry is aware of these trends. 771 00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:13,679 They are, you know, keeping on top of these things. 772 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,400 And you know, I think back to some of the 773 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,599 plants that were so popular during the pandemic, like the 774 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:23,320 pink princess. Well you know, I waited a couple of 775 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:34,280 years and I got mine from Costco, so you right there. Yeah. 776 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,760 Speaker 2: So what is the Illegal Plant Trade Coalition doing? Uh, 777 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,719 you know as part of this of this movement globally 778 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,840 because it's not just long what it's it's botanical gardens 779 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,320 from all over the world. You know, what are they 780 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,039 doing to to really reduce and eliminate plant poaching? 781 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 3: Absolutely so we are with the the Panic Gardens Conservation International, 782 00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:59,360 So this is their coalition and we are joining with 783 00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:03,679 partners there's worldwide that are really working to both document, 784 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,719 research and protect species of facing these pressures and these 785 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,920 pressures not just the plant trade, but you know, oftentimes 786 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,599 these plants are being tipped by climate change and habitat. 787 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:17,719 So we're really trying to work together to bring awareness 788 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,159 to this issue because you know, as you mentioned about 789 00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,280 plant findness, Now everybody knows that the issue that this is, 790 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,800 and so let's raise the awareness. You don't want to 791 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,639 be the person to take the last one because you 792 00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:30,360 do not know the implications that that can have long 793 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,880 term ecosystems. 794 00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:34,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a scary thought that you could literally be 795 00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,719 buying the last one of something, you know, and just 796 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:38,320 thinking you're. 797 00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:44,800 Speaker 3: Any way too much pressure from anybody's bring them like professionals, definitely. 798 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 2: Now, so as we wind down here, what can the 799 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,039 average person do? I know we talked a little bit 800 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,280 about it, but are there specific questions? You know that 801 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,239 if you're interested in a plant that you have come 802 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,559 across on a marketplace that you can ask that you 803 00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:03,880 should ask to kind of help to, you know, winnow 804 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,519 down the possible source. Is it useful to look at 805 00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:10,880 the sellers, say other listings and kind of dig into that. 806 00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:12,800 How can you do your due diligence? 807 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,519 Speaker 3: There are a lot of different things that you can do. 808 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:17,519 First of all, if it's too good to be true. 809 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,599 It probably is. Make sure that you're really having an 810 00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:26,400 understanding of what the plan is you're buying and should 811 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,920 it be listed at that price. You can also ask 812 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,800 about promenads to how it was propagated, if it was 813 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,880 will collected, and you know, really just I like to 814 00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,800 think like a scientist, ask questions, try to understand what 815 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,840 you're doing, because you know, you want to think twice 816 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,199 and trade right. You don't want to be buying something 817 00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:51,119 that was removed from it to habitat. You want to 818 00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,679 be buying reputable dealers. Go to your local garden shop 819 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,440 and ask the right questions, enjoy the parson that you purchase, 820 00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:01,239 knowing that you did it the right way. 821 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 2: Right, And I think, you know, hopefully just being aware 822 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,760 that this is a possibility is helping to dry up 823 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,199 that market. And I love what you've said that Longwood 824 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,199 is helping to dry up that market by actually making 825 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:16,719 these plants available. We really appreciate you joining the show 826 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,360 today and helping to raise awareness. If people want to 827 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,039 know more, I know there is a post something at 828 00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:25,280 the Longwood website, but you know, really I hope that 829 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,000 they will just take the lesson to heart that This 830 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:31,920 is not you know, an arm's length problem. This is 831 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,079 actually a problem that can be quite near to us. 832 00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,639 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I recommend also checking out just Longwood Gardens 833 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,239 dot org to read more about some of our conservation 834 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,199 horticulture work. 835 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,519 Speaker 2: Well, that sounds like the perfect way to spend a 836 00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:50,519 cold winter afternoon. So thank you so much, doctor Jessica Turner, scoff, 837 00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:54,320 Associate Director of Science Communications at Longwood Gardens. We truly 838 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,199 appreciate your time and your expertise and helping to raise 839 00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,960 awareness for this important issue. 840 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 841 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,760 Speaker 2: Well, I hope that wasn't too you know, scary or 842 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,360 too much of a downer, but I know the first 843 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,519 time I learned about this, I was genuinely surprised at 844 00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,079 how common it really is. So, you know, we really 845 00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,440 wanted our listeners to to know that this isn't just 846 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,199 you know, some far away problem that may never impact them. 847 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,440 Maybe closer than you think. 848 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,760 Speaker 1: But you'd have to say, in this internet digital age, 849 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,400 not surprising, that. 850 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,559 Speaker 2: Is for sure. Fortunately, So as you do your Valentine's shopping, 851 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,519 please be sure to shop responsibly and locally if you can. 852 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,360 So thank you so much to doctor Jessica Turner. Scoff, 853 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,920 Thank you, Rick, thank you Stacy, thank you Adriana, and 854 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,280 thanks so much to all of you. We hope you 855 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,360 have a wonderful week ahead.