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Speaker 1: Welcome back. How you doing doing good?
Speaker 2: Chris? Thanks for having me on. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: It's great to have you back. Man. Looking forward to this.
Speaker 1: We're going to get into some of the research you've
Speaker 1: been doing into the multiple anomalies associated with the Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk assassination. You've been pointing out several aspects that we
Speaker 1: presented that don't add up, including what's going on with
Speaker 1: this current Tyler Robinson trial. There's a lot to get
Speaker 1: into at this before we do, remind the audience a
Speaker 1: bit about yourself if they're not familiar, and let them
Speaker 1: know how they can find more.
Speaker 2: Yes, my name's Rider Lee. I run a podcast and
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Speaker 2: looking forward to the conversation because the entire Charlie Kirk
Speaker 2: scenario has it's like this giant rabbit hole that you
Speaker 2: just keep things just keep getting a stranger and stranger
Speaker 2: and none of it adds up at all, period, And
Speaker 2: it's just this thing that just keeps going, and the
Speaker 2: official narrative ever made any sense, and they keep trying
Speaker 2: to push the official narrative, and I think people are
Speaker 2: really waking up to that, and it's kind of like
Speaker 2: we just reverted back to the very beginning of it
Speaker 2: with the preliminary trial because basically TPUs they brought in
Speaker 2: a lot of these media people, like a lot of
Speaker 2: like MAGA pro TPUSA people, And at the end of
Speaker 2: the trial, they basically said that they saw all four
Speaker 2: K footage of Tyler Robinson HD four K footage of
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson taking the shot, which I knew that they
Speaker 2: were going to try and pull something like this, so
Speaker 2: I made sure that I watched every single preliminary hearing
Speaker 2: video and there was a lot to take on and
Speaker 2: a lot of people didn't have a lot of didn't
Speaker 2: have the time to do that, right because some of
Speaker 2: them are like eight hours, you know, this is just
Speaker 2: court room stuff for like eight hours, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, back and forth between the prosecution and the defense.
Speaker 2: And so at the end of the fifth day they
Speaker 2: said that they had this four K Ultra HD footage.
Speaker 2: A lot of these people like Benny Johnson, even some
Speaker 2: Megan Kelly brought a bunch of people on that was
Speaker 2: talking about how they saw this footage and she's kind
Speaker 2: of buying into it.
Speaker 1: Dan BONDI, where's the footage supposedly coming from all of
Speaker 1: a sudden.
Speaker 2: That's the thing that is the whole deal. And if
Speaker 2: you watch the end of the day, one of the
Speaker 2: pre preliminary trial. You'll see that the state tries to
Speaker 2: bring into evidence and show to the court this enhanced
Speaker 2: footage that is being zoomed in and has circles around it,
Speaker 2: like red circles, because the footage is so freaking blurry
Speaker 2: of this gentleman running across the rooftop right, it's far away.
Speaker 2: Footage is super blurry. So they're trying to present and
Speaker 2: bring into evidence into the court this enhanced footage. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the defense comes in and is like, hey, we
Speaker 2: don't think this evidence should be submitted because it's been enhanced,
Speaker 2: there's red circles that's been put in it, there's zoomed
Speaker 2: in footage. So then the judge does, well, yeah, I
Speaker 2: agree with that, we should not let this enhanced footage
Speaker 2: be This should not be put into evidence and it
Speaker 2: should not be seen by the courtroom. But what you
Speaker 2: can do is show us the raw footage. So at
Speaker 2: the beginning of day two, they released the raw footage
Speaker 2: of this enhanced footage, and the defense says that there's
Speaker 2: no footage of anybody taking a shot. Okay, so we
Speaker 2: show that footage. They show some ring camera footage of
Speaker 2: supposedly Tyler Robinson's vehicle at around midnight a little bit
Speaker 2: away from you VU campus that was captured by a
Speaker 2: ring camera and the agent Hall, which was up there
Speaker 2: has to find said that they know that it's Tyler
Speaker 2: Robinson's vehicle because the vehicle. He could distinguish the tires
Speaker 2: on the vehicle, So all you got to do is
Speaker 2: look at the tires and you know that it's Tyler
Speaker 2: Robinson's vehicle. But the footage they showed previously that was
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson's vehicle supposedly pulling into the parking garage early
Speaker 2: that morning at nine am on September tenth, was not
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson's vehicle. It was different. There was a license
Speaker 2: plate holder on the front of the vehicle. It had
Speaker 2: a single exhaust. Tyler Robinson exhausts of his actual vehicle
Speaker 2: was different. He didn't have that front license plate in
Speaker 2: that The reason that we know that is because whenever
Speaker 2: the police and the FBI went to Robinson's house to
Speaker 2: search it and confiscate his stuff, the police took pictures
Speaker 2: of his vehicle. It's not the same vehicle that was
Speaker 2: shown in the surveillance footage on September tenth in court,
Speaker 2: So back to their original foot So after they showed
Speaker 2: the footage and Agent Hall testified and said, uh uh,
Speaker 2: this is we believe that this is to be Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 2: They can't prove that it's Tyler Robinson. It could literally
Speaker 2: be anybody. It could be freaking Tom Hanks, it could
Speaker 2: be whoever it is. There's no clear the footage. The
Speaker 2: photograph that they released on the day of the assassination
Speaker 2: or the next day of the assassination, is more clear
Speaker 2: than the footage that they shown in court. The photograph.
Speaker 2: Where is that photograph? Why didn't they show that photograph
Speaker 2: of his face? I'll tell you why. Because it's not
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson. Okay, So they and people would know that
Speaker 2: because you can if they showed it in court, a
Speaker 2: super clear image, you could compare that with the images
Speaker 2: of Tyler Robinson to see that it's not Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 2: Any sane person can look at those photos side by
Speaker 2: side and realize that it's not Tyler Robinson. Okay. So
Speaker 2: the state decided they said, well, we would like to
Speaker 2: show the enhanced zoomed in the footage later on. Would
Speaker 2: you be opposed to showing the enhanced zoomed in footage
Speaker 2: with the circles and everything later on in the preliminary trial,
Speaker 2: and the judge said that he would take that into consideration. Okay.
Speaker 2: So that at the end of day five, the state
Speaker 2: asked the judge again if they could show the enhanced
Speaker 2: footage of the footage that was already shown on day two,
Speaker 2: just zoomed in with circles and everything. Okay. Now, mind you,
Speaker 2: the defense had just questioned an ATF agent on the
Speaker 2: stand that did DNA analysis of all the things that
Speaker 2: was found on September tenth, Okay, and she disclosed that
Speaker 2: there were three other people's up to five other people's
Speaker 2: DNA on the rifle. Okay. So out of the people
Speaker 2: that we know is Tyler Robinson's dad, Lance Twiggs, and
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson's DNA, and there's two other unidentified people the
Speaker 2: DNA is also on the rifle. And out of those
Speaker 2: people's DNA that is on the rifle, Tyler Robinson's DNA
Speaker 2: is the most degraded. Huh. Interesting, which means essentially means
Speaker 2: that he did not handle the rifle.
Speaker 1: That he wasn't the last one to handle it, right
Speaker 1: at least exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: He wasn't Okay. So Lance Twiggs couldn't even identify Tyler
Speaker 2: Robinson based upon the and the thing about it is
Speaker 2: too is the Lance Twiggs. That's his h his lover
Speaker 2: right here. Yeah, yeah, trans lover. People call him a
Speaker 2: furry lover. I don't know if he was really a
Speaker 2: furry or not, but I don't think that he was
Speaker 2: a furry. I think that he's just a.
Speaker 1: It adds to the chiatrics of everything exactly.
Speaker 2: I think he's just a trans dude or a gay
Speaker 2: dude that likes dudes. So he couldn't even identify Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 2: He said that it looks like Tyler Robinson because Tyler
Speaker 2: Robinson also wears jeans and a hat. Okay. So just
Speaker 2: like Agent Hall said that it looks like Tyler Robinson's
Speaker 2: car because we could tell by the wheels of the
Speaker 2: car that is Tyler Robinson's car, Lance Twiggs can tell
Speaker 2: that it's Tyler Robinson because he's wearing jeans and a hat. Okay.
Speaker 2: And it turns out that the ring camera footage, the
Speaker 2: people that took the ring camera footage said that it
Speaker 2: was a bald man driving in the vehicle and that
Speaker 2: there were three other people in the vehicle. Okay, So
Speaker 2: the entire thing is just completely falling apart. So the
Speaker 2: only thing that they really had was okay. So at
Speaker 2: the end of the day five again they asked the
Speaker 2: judge if they could show the enhanced footage, the footage
Speaker 2: that they have already shown in day two of the
Speaker 2: preliminary trialge is zoomed in. Okay, it's the exact same footage,
Speaker 2: no different except as zoomed in and has circles, red
Speaker 2: circles around it so you can tell where the person
Speaker 2: is on the roof, because with the zoomed out footage,
Speaker 2: it just looks like a freaking blob running across the
Speaker 2: top of the roof. Is all it is, is a
Speaker 2: black blob. So all they did was zoom in. Anybody
Speaker 2: has to zoom in future. You're an editor, you've made movies,
Speaker 2: you have movies, I'm an editor. Anybody can zoom in
Speaker 2: on that footage. Okay. It doesn't make the footage anymore clear, No,
Speaker 2: often it makes the footage even worse because you're zooming
Speaker 2: in on an already created video. So the judge then
Speaker 2: decides that he will show the footage, but he will
Speaker 2: not show the footage to the public. Okay, So the
Speaker 2: footage is shown to the court room only, and that's
Speaker 2: when we get all the people coming out of the courtroom,
Speaker 2: all of the influencers and the people that TPUSA had
Speaker 2: show up to the preliminary hearing to then come out
Speaker 2: and say that they saw clear HD four K footage
Speaker 2: of Tyler Robinson firing the shot at Charlie Kirk. And
Speaker 2: literally all you had to do to disprove this entire
Speaker 2: narrative was watch the preliminary hearing. Literally watched the end
Speaker 2: of day one, the beginning of day two, and then
Speaker 2: skip to the end of day five.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just have a feeling, no matter what is presented,
Speaker 1: what evidence is presented on the contrary, they have the
Speaker 1: Tyler Robinson guilty narrative so firmly in place to where
Speaker 1: they're not going to let it be any other result.
Speaker 1: They're going to convict Tyler Robinson no matter what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are that is the plan. That is an
Speaker 2: ultimate goal in the ultimate plant. But I think it's
Speaker 2: really going to upset a lot of people because the
Speaker 2: only people that I have seen that believes the official
Speaker 2: story of what the FBI is presenting that Tyler Robinson
Speaker 2: got on a roof and with a thirty odd six
Speaker 2: and shot Charlie Kirk from approximately one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: yards at a sloped angle and hit him in the
Speaker 2: neck and the bullet didn't go through his neck. There
Speaker 2: was no exit wound on a thirty odd six. Literally,
Speaker 2: look up any YouTube video of anyone firing a thirty
Speaker 2: out six and you'll see that the damage is unfathomable. Okay,
Speaker 2: it will literally go through a four inch brick and
Speaker 2: through a cow femer. You're telling me that Charlie's neck
Speaker 2: is stronger than a three inch brick and a cow femer. Now.
Speaker 1: I heard the argument that you can adjust the amount
Speaker 1: of gunpowder to have a less of an impact or
Speaker 1: less of an effect when it's hit, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: is true. But how likely is it that Tyler Robinson
Speaker 1: was creating his own bullets?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Bro, Like you're telling me a person that his
Speaker 2: first crime that he ever committed, the first thing they did,
Speaker 2: the biggest crime probably in history since like JFK in
Speaker 2: the version of public assassinations, he committed in broad daylight,
Speaker 2: did it on his first try, ye, no issues, and
Speaker 2: just essentially got away with it, and then texted Lance
Speaker 2: Twigs kept confessing to Lance Twigs, and he says in
Speaker 2: the text messages that they presented in court. But the
Speaker 2: text messages have their own set of problems, in their
Speaker 2: own set of issue. But he said, supposedly to Lance
Speaker 2: Twigs that he wanted to take this to his grave.
Speaker 2: So why are you admitting in text messages to your
Speaker 2: lover just less than twelve hours after you've done the
Speaker 2: one of the biggest political assassinations in modern time. Why
Speaker 2: are you then admitting it? It makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 2: But here's the deal with the text messages. So there's
Speaker 2: an investigator online. His name is a Diligent Denisen. He's
Speaker 2: on x a fantastic investigator. You can go to his
Speaker 2: page shout in him out several times. He's done a
Speaker 2: lot of work into this. So he went to a
Speaker 2: place called Cowboys Smokehouse in Penguage, Utah, which is approximately
Speaker 2: three hours away from UVU campus, and he interviewed this
Speaker 2: waiter there that said that he saw Tyler Robinson around
Speaker 2: nine pm on September tenth, okay, And he shows the receipt.
Speaker 2: He posted the receipt online. People are calling the receipt fake,
Speaker 2: but it's one he has the guy that he interviewed
Speaker 2: at Cowboys Smokehouse in Pengwine, Ohio verified the receipt. He
Speaker 2: blurred out some of the He blurret out the card
Speaker 2: number and the waiters name and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: it's a very real receipt, both seeing the unreducted version.
Speaker 2: But and it says the individual that was there paid
Speaker 2: at nine forty seven okay, nine pm? Okay. The text
Speaker 2: message goes out to Lance Twigs from Tyler Robinson at
Speaker 2: eleven PM. And in this exchange with Lance Twigs, Tyler
Speaker 2: Robinson says that he's still on UVU campus waiting to
Speaker 2: retrieve his rifle. So how can he be at UVU
Speaker 2: campus waiting to retrieve his rifle when he had just
Speaker 2: paid for his food at nine forty seven at Cowboy
Speaker 2: Steakhouse three hours away. You're not going to get there
Speaker 2: until around one am in the morning back to UVU,
Speaker 2: So how can you be there anytime between eleven pm
Speaker 2: and midnight trying to find your rifle.
Speaker 1: There was also discrepancies about how the rifle was found. Supposedly,
Speaker 1: it was reassembled, and according to the narrative, he disassembled
Speaker 1: it just to reassemble it somewhere else, Is that right.
Speaker 2: That's what they're trying to pass off. But the thing
Speaker 2: is is how did he reassemble it when he left
Speaker 2: the screwdriver on the roof, Because that was a big
Speaker 2: part of the evidence that was presented, right, was that
Speaker 2: they found a screwdriver on the roof of the Lowesly
Speaker 2: building that had apparently had Tyler's DNA on me. Okay, So,
Speaker 2: but the police officer that found it, his body camera
Speaker 2: footage immediately went dead his his buddymber that he had
Speaker 2: on as soon as he got to the roof of
Speaker 2: the Lowes building.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And they didn't show the screwdriver to the court. They
Speaker 2: presented it as evidence, but they didn't show it to
Speaker 2: the media. We didn't even get to see the screwdriver
Speaker 2: that was reportedly found on the roof of the Lozy building. Oh.
Speaker 2: On another thing, there was a gun holster that was
Speaker 2: found on campus too. So it's just like and then
Speaker 2: there was a bullet that was found on another roof,
Speaker 2: an unshot an unshot bullet that was that they claimed
Speaker 2: was a discharge bullet from loading a gun from an
Speaker 2: officer that was on the roof. Then you have all
Speaker 2: the craziness with George Zinn, the guy that was then
Speaker 2: arrested that said that he supposedly killed Charlie Kirk, which
Speaker 2: I cannot find any verifiable evidence saying that he said
Speaker 2: that he killed Charlie Kirk. There's no video, there's no video,
Speaker 2: there's no audio of George zn ever seeing.
Speaker 1: He was the guy that was initially arrested, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: The original guy. And but there Diligent Dennison also interviewed
Speaker 2: him from jail on the phone, and George zen said
Speaker 2: that he worked for TPUSA the year prior in Arizona,
Speaker 2: going door to door knocking trying to get votes for Trump.
Speaker 2: The whole thing is just completely complete insanity. And then
Speaker 2: there was another guy that was arrested for going onto
Speaker 2: the scene that apparently had a was found with some
Speaker 2: kind of rifle on the scene as well. His name
Speaker 2: was Kimmyington Russell. He was arrested that same day. He
Speaker 2: was wearing like a lab lab coat and lab uniforms.
Speaker 2: So they had they already had two Patsy's, this Kennington
Speaker 2: Russell guy, and then George's in and then uh, you know,
Speaker 2: ultimately landed on Tyler Robinson. But they didn't show any
Speaker 2: footage of Tyler Robinson showing up to the to the
Speaker 2: police station to turn himself in. We saw some back
Speaker 2: footage of him in some kind of interrogation room where
Speaker 2: she walks in and completely turns around, which he's The
Speaker 2: shirt that he was shown in is not even the
Speaker 2: same shirt that he was pictured in at the Dairy
Speaker 2: Queen at around six pm on the tenth. So the
Speaker 2: whole thing is just it's a it's a nightmare. And
Speaker 2: then they tried to run with this entire thing and
Speaker 2: not thinking that anybody was gonna investigator looking at any of
Speaker 2: the stuff. They thought that they could just lie their
Speaker 2: way through it, like they've done over and over and
Speaker 2: over and over again. You know, we got the money.
Speaker 2: You guys aren't going to figure any of this out
Speaker 2: because we'll just pay these influencers and these people to
Speaker 2: take our position. But people are immediately waking up to
Speaker 2: that they know that this is not what happened.
Speaker 1: As far as the events of the assassination itself. Their
Speaker 1: speculation whether a rifle was even used, and I've seen
Speaker 1: some of the deep dives you've done about the possibility
Speaker 1: of the microphone being used, as some kind of projectile explosive.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you've looked into about that.
Speaker 2: I have looked into the microphone theory a lot. I've
Speaker 2: also looked into which is my next theory. I haven't
Speaker 2: really put it together. Yeah, I haven't done a video
Speaker 2: on it yet. But the thing about the a lot
Speaker 2: of the stuff that doesn't make any sense is the
Speaker 2: crime scene was immediately paved over. It was paved over
Speaker 2: by Sunday and into Monday. It was completely done. The
Speaker 2: microphone looks like it's been exploded and is at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the suv on the floorboard. The shirt that
Speaker 2: Charlie was wearing apparently got destroyed somehow and is crumpled
Speaker 2: up and looks like it's burnt in the back of
Speaker 2: the suv. Some kind of shirt. We don't know if
Speaker 2: it's Charlie's shirt, but based off of the photos that
Speaker 2: Baron Coleman has posted of Charlie Kirk being dragged into
Speaker 2: the hospital, was he looked like he already had his
Speaker 2: shirt off.
Speaker 1: I heard that the first responder had to cut his
Speaker 1: shirt off and threw it aside, and that's why they
Speaker 1: couldn't find his shirt.
Speaker 2: Well, that's not even that wasn't even a first responder.
Speaker 2: That was Brian Harple that was part of Charlie's security
Speaker 2: team that insisted that they take Charlie to the hospital,
Speaker 2: and they take the long way to the hospital, and
Speaker 2: they didn't have The door to the suv was completely
Speaker 2: wide open. Charlie's legs were apparently hanging out of the
Speaker 2: suv as they were driving down the road toward the hospital,
Speaker 2: and Brian Harple claims that whenever they got to the hospital,
Speaker 2: he jumped up on top of Charlie and cut Charlie's
Speaker 2: shirt off with a pair of scissors, but that doesn't
Speaker 2: add up. I personally believe that the cutting of the
Speaker 2: shirt happened inside of the suv and then the shirt
Speaker 2: was then burned inside of the suv because you could
Speaker 2: look at to look at this crumbled up piece of
Speaker 2: plastic and canvas owns as was the one that brought
Speaker 2: this to everyone's attention was a like a it looks
Speaker 2: kind of like cardboard, but most shirts nowadays are made
Speaker 2: with at least fifty percent polyester and some form of
Speaker 2: cotton and some other materials. Right, so whenever you burn
Speaker 2: a shirt like that, it turns into this weird burnt
Speaker 2: up type of cardboard. And if you zoomed in that
Speaker 2: photograph of the substance that burned up looking cardboard, you
Speaker 2: can see the back of the inside of a T
Speaker 2: shirt sticker. So it's one T shirt. We just can't
Speaker 2: confirm if it's and from Charlie's shirt missing. People just
Speaker 2: come to the conclusion that it's Charlie's shirt because based
Speaker 2: off of the photo a Baron Coleman posted on Acts
Speaker 2: of apparently when they were taking Charlie out of the
Speaker 2: suv and into the hospital, a photo was snapped and
Speaker 2: you can see some kind of weird, strange markings on
Speaker 2: the right side of Charlie's chest where there appears to
Speaker 2: be some kind of red marks or what people are
Speaker 2: calling burnmarks. And people tried to discount this and say
Speaker 2: that it's a that it's blood, but it looks like
Speaker 2: a square burn mark right right on his pack on
Speaker 2: his chest on the right side where the microphone set
Speaker 2: on the inside of his shirt. And then the suv
Speaker 2: was completely scrubbed and then they sold the suv. Suv
Speaker 2: wasn't put into evidence. And the other really strange part
Speaker 2: about the entire endeavor is that the FBI wasn't concerned
Speaker 2: about the microphone. They weren't concerned about the vehicle, they
Speaker 2: weren't concerned about his shirt, They didn't care about any
Speaker 2: of that. What they did care about was his necklace.
Speaker 2: H Why did they care so much about Charlie's necklace?
Speaker 2: And why did they even know that he had a necklace?
Speaker 2: How did they know I can wear a necklace under
Speaker 2: my shirt and you would never know that I even
Speaker 2: have a necklace on, and that's where he would wear it.
Speaker 2: How did they know about the necklace to begin with?
Speaker 2: And then two why were they so concerned about it?
Speaker 2: Then it turned out one of Charlie's teams came in
Speaker 2: and grabbed the necklace out of the suv and then
Speaker 2: gave it to Erica.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric is a whole nother story. What I've always
Speaker 1: been baffled by is, in an age of cell phones,
Speaker 1: especially at an event where you would think everybody would
Speaker 1: be filming the entire event, there's very few angles that
Speaker 1: are seen from people's cell phone footage. I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: most of it was confiscated at the time.
Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what they did with the JFK assassination.
Speaker 2: To what you know about the lady across the street
Speaker 2: there filmed, and then her footage got completely confiscated by
Speaker 2: the FBI. No one's ever seen it. Some parts and
Speaker 2: pieces of it have come out, but not the full thing.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's very suspicious. The FBI then went and
Speaker 2: confiscated all of the footage at the hospital, so we
Speaker 2: have no footage of Charlie arriving at the hospital. They
Speaker 2: wouldn't let the doctor go back in and try to
Speaker 2: prepare Charlie's body for Erica Kirk to come and see him.
Speaker 2: At the hospital, there's a parent nine one police scanner
Speaker 2: recordings that say that no autopsy was performed, that the
Speaker 2: Kirk family that Erica did not want an autopsy done.
Speaker 2: What and then the then the next day he's already
Speaker 2: ready and prepared and in bombed and in a casket.
Speaker 2: Those photos of him in the casket with Erica over him,
Speaker 2: where she's like brushing his hand which looks like freaking
Speaker 2: porcelain mannequin. Yeah, the porcelain mannequin hands. I've been to
Speaker 2: a lot of open caskets, Chris, and I do not
Speaker 2: ever recall seeing someone's hands look like mannequin hands. Okay,
Speaker 2: so but those were taken because I raised the question
Speaker 2: of it wasn't something really rubbed me wrong about the
Speaker 2: Erica Kirk posting the video and the photos of Charlie
Speaker 2: and the casket, And I couldn't really understand why I
Speaker 2: felt uneasy about it until around a month ago. I
Speaker 2: went back because I tried to go back and find
Speaker 2: a lot of inconsistencies with what they were saying when
Speaker 2: it first happened and then now to what they're saying,
Speaker 2: and I found a lot of them, like the Governor
Speaker 2: of Utah saying that the assassin got up onto the roof,
Speaker 2: changed clothes, took the shot, changed clothes again on the roof,
Speaker 2: and then jumped down off. That's legitimately what he said happened,
Speaker 2: but we don't see that in any of the footage.
Speaker 2: But regardless, the video and the photos of Charlie Kirk
Speaker 2: in the casket and Eric Kirk over him didn't sit
Speaker 2: right with me. But it didn't sit right with me
Speaker 2: for the same reasons that everybody else was complaining about it. Right,
Speaker 2: people were like, it's disrespectful, why would you do this?
Speaker 2: You're trying to you know, like this is a private moment,
Speaker 2: you know, this shouldn't be captured by media. Why are
Speaker 2: you miked up? And all of that, And I didn't
Speaker 2: really care about any of that, right, but it still
Speaker 2: bugged me. But I couldn't figure out why until I
Speaker 2: went back and looked at the dates those photos and
Speaker 2: that video was posted two days after his assassination. Huh,
Speaker 2: so I made that video. That video went viral. It
Speaker 2: went crazy on x It had like an astronomical amount
Speaker 2: of views that it went viral on Instagram, went viral
Speaker 2: on Facebook, and then Baron Coleman picked it up and
Speaker 2: started digging into it more, and he found out that
Speaker 2: those photos were actually taking the very next day, they
Speaker 2: just weren't posted until two days later. Wow, he was
Speaker 2: already embombed, cast get ready for burial the very next day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that shit doesn't happen. It doesn't happen in any
Speaker 1: other situation. Why would it happen in an extremely high
Speaker 1: level assassination case. That makes zero fucking sense.
Speaker 2: This is zero sense, dude. And everyone's like, oh, wow,
Speaker 2: it's possible. It can be fun if you got enough money. Well,
Speaker 2: just because it's possible doesn't mean that it should happen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: why did it happen like that. If it happened like that,
Speaker 2: and why are they saying that there was no autopsy?
Speaker 1: So wird man Erica Kirk another very odd aspect of
Speaker 1: this whole situation, not only her reaction and some of
Speaker 1: the strange things she said, but the accounts of how
Speaker 1: her and Charlie got together. A bit of their history
Speaker 1: that she's trying to recount doesn't fit together. People are
Speaker 1: finding aspects and right of their lives that seemed to
Speaker 1: be falsified. Huge red flags about Erica. Have you looked
Speaker 1: into anything about her?
Speaker 2: Her background is very difficult to find out anything about her.
Speaker 2: Mom was called Lori Franz Face. She's a defense and
Speaker 2: intelligence military intelligence contractor for the government, creates a bunch
Speaker 2: of technology for the government. And it's very difficult to
Speaker 2: find history out about Erica. It's almost like it's been
Speaker 2: hit on purpose. We know that she went to a
Speaker 2: very specialized school called the Tessarat School. Canvas Ownses put
Speaker 2: that together. She was then part of some kind of
Speaker 2: basketball team, but she didn't really play on it that
Speaker 2: much in high school. She was actually benched for the
Speaker 2: majority of it. Very few photos of her exist from
Speaker 2: when she was young. If you know photos exist of
Speaker 2: her pregnant, it's not completely unbelievable, but it's strange. Then
Speaker 2: let me see what else about her history. It's just
Speaker 2: very difficult to figure out about her history. It's like
Speaker 2: it's been hidden on purpose, and there may be reasons
Speaker 2: for that. There's a birth certificate that has different dates
Speaker 2: on it. She has like two to three different birth
Speaker 2: certificates that has different dates on each birth certificate. Don't
Speaker 2: quote me on that. That might be two to three
Speaker 2: or maybe there's just two, but I know for a
Speaker 2: fact that there are at least two birth certificates that
Speaker 2: have different days on them, which is kind of odd.
Speaker 2: She claims that she was raised by a single mother,
Speaker 2: which her stepdad was always in the picture, So it's like,
Speaker 2: were you really raised by a single mother when you
Speaker 2: had a stepdad the entire time? So yeah, there's just
Speaker 2: a lot of really weird and strange stuff with her background.
Speaker 2: She was in that as that one documentary talking about
Speaker 2: it that was heavily propped up with a bunch of
Speaker 2: CIA people talking about it. Grid down situation where if
Speaker 2: we're hit with an EMP, what's going to happen? She
Speaker 2: was also in a bunch of reality shows. It seems
Speaker 2: like she just wanted money, power, and fame.
Speaker 1: She was also in a pageant that Trump was in
Speaker 1: charge of, right.
Speaker 2: She also had some ties allegedly to Jeffrey Epstein in
Speaker 2: New York. And there's just a lot of weird back
Speaker 2: and then that's exactly what she did. She just tried
Speaker 2: to profit off of the death of Charlie Kirk, you know, like,
Speaker 2: sell as many hats as you can sell, all the shirts,
Speaker 2: Let's do these big giant evincent That's the thing that
Speaker 2: doesn't really make any sense with me. Chris is like,
Speaker 2: at this point, I don't really know what TPUSA actually
Speaker 2: does anymore.
Speaker 1: Seems like just an intelligence front of some kind. Didn't
Speaker 1: the co author of Mind Wars with Michael Lokino, isn't
Speaker 1: he on the board of directors of TPUSA. That's a
Speaker 1: huge red flag, right there.
Speaker 2: Really big red flag Without Charlie Kirk, they I mean,
Speaker 2: what do they really do, right They just put on
Speaker 2: halftime performances. Erica does some speaking gigs, a Woman Summit,
Speaker 2: she writes a book. She also does some internet videos.
Speaker 2: You know, dress like a freaking undercover agent like Joe
Speaker 2: from You. That's out, they're stalking people with the brim
Speaker 2: hat on her, and the Charlie Kirk Show still goes
Speaker 2: on some how, but it should probably just be renamed
Speaker 2: to We Hate candass own Show. That's basically what the
Speaker 2: entire thing is about. I really don't know what TPUSA
Speaker 2: does now and what their donors are actually supporting. I
Speaker 2: really don't, right, it feels completely artificially propped up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't have anybody's taking they don't have anyone taking
Speaker 2: Charlie's place on the road, right at speaking events, doing debates.
Speaker 2: Right Trump is in office. That was kind of the
Speaker 2: whole goal. Yeah, turning point was to get Trump back
Speaker 2: in the office. He's still in office for another what
Speaker 2: until twenty twenty eight, another two years end of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three years, So it's like, well, and that might
Speaker 2: be something completely different because he might try and run
Speaker 2: for a third term. Did you see his thing the
Speaker 2: other day where he was like, I'm gonna run. No,
Speaker 2: I did it twice, I'm going to do it again.
Speaker 2: So we might be a tempting to get him for
Speaker 2: another term. But you know, I just don't understand. I
Speaker 2: don't know what at this point, what tpusa's purpose is there.
Speaker 2: I just don't know what they do. I don't know
Speaker 2: what their actual function is other than, you know, being
Speaker 2: the I just don't know. And it's a really good
Speaker 2: question because I don't think anybody else really knows either,
Speaker 2: because Charlie was the central theme point. He was the
Speaker 2: founder of the entire organization, and the thing that he
Speaker 2: was doing they are no longer doing.
Speaker 1: The more you look at that situation, it seems that
Speaker 1: he himself may have been groomed from an early age
Speaker 1: to be in that position, but most likely unknowingly by
Speaker 1: people in his life.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Charlie was indeed in the gate program, which is
Speaker 2: I have it in my new documentary that will be
Speaker 2: out soon on Amazon Prime called Psychic Agent, the Gay Program,
Speaker 2: And it turns out that he was inside of the
Speaker 2: gay program, and he was more than likely groomed for
Speaker 2: this position of power, because that's what I believe that
Speaker 2: the gay programs actually are, are grooming people for roles
Speaker 2: in society. So if you get people at a really
Speaker 2: young age, you just put them to the side and
Speaker 2: you give them a special education, you can then effectively
Speaker 2: take them and shepherd and heard them into the position
Speaker 2: that you want them to be in. So a lot
Speaker 2: of the people that have made it through officially made
Speaker 2: it through all of the gay program stuff. You're probably
Speaker 2: looking at someone that's pretty important, music industry people, leader,
Speaker 2: heads of giant corporations, writers for the New York Times,
Speaker 2: and they have all these people programmed on exactly what
Speaker 2: they're supposed to do. So there's really not much of
Speaker 2: a conspiracy there because the people that made it through
Speaker 2: don't care about what they went through because they're successful
Speaker 2: in their job. They don't want to talk about the weird,
Speaker 2: strange shit that they went through in grade school in
Speaker 2: middle school, right because it doesn't matter to them because
Speaker 2: they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars, or they're a
Speaker 2: political leader, or they're a famous actor, or they're they're
Speaker 2: this person that's been you know, they're ahead of a corporation,
Speaker 2: or they they're the CEO or XEO or whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it, and they just don't care. Right.
Speaker 2: But the people that did not make it through normally
Speaker 2: have a lot more problems, and they are the ones
Speaker 2: that turn out to be the ones that actually talk
Speaker 2: about it, right, We're the ones that actually remember what
Speaker 2: they went through.
Speaker 1: They have weirder sub sections, darker sub sections of these
Speaker 1: gate programs where people are recruited for assassins, some kind
Speaker 1: of psychic abilities, sexual honey pot blackmail. They get really
Speaker 1: dark and it becomes torture and extreme horrendous experimentation at
Speaker 1: certain levels.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And it doesn't even have to be at
Speaker 2: a like a super high level. It could just be
Speaker 2: recruitment in to the military. Walter Bosley was in the
Speaker 2: gay program in California. Trey Hudson was in the gay program.
Speaker 2: They're both in the military. A lot of the people
Speaker 2: buying themselves working for three let organizations in the military
Speaker 2: were probably involved in some sort of strange and weird
Speaker 2: testing whenever they were a kid. Mary Ellen Manson was
Speaker 2: said in an interview, the CIA wanted to recruit him.
Speaker 2: So it's all levels of society. Millions upon millions of
Speaker 2: kids have been through these programs, and the people that
Speaker 2: remember and start to wake up start to question the
Speaker 2: entire thing. And that's what it seems like Charlie was
Speaker 2: kind of going through. At the very end, he was
Speaker 2: starting to come to the conclusion that his entire life
Speaker 2: was essentially a giant Truman shop.
Speaker 1: You mentioned a bit of JFK crossover. You made a
Speaker 1: film about the jfk assassination JFKX. Have you noticed any
Speaker 1: other profound crossover with the kirk assassination.
Speaker 2: Well, people want to say that the kirk assassination was
Speaker 2: was fake and that he faked. I've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of really wild theories, and I believe that that's being
Speaker 2: pushed on purpose. I believe that they want to make
Speaker 2: the Charlie Kirk assassination like two point zero, and they
Speaker 2: want to take a lot of people down for it,
Speaker 2: like the famous Alex Jones, you know a case where
Speaker 2: he says that the entire thing was staged and baked
Speaker 2: and that everyone was crisis actors and the whole faamily
Speaker 2: weren't real, the kids weren't real and all that, and
Speaker 2: then he ended up getting sued for millions and millions
Speaker 2: of dollars and lost his company, Info Wars. I believe
Speaker 2: that that's what they want to try and do with
Speaker 2: the Charlie Kirk assassination. So if they can get enough
Speaker 2: people believing that the entire thing, because I've seen some
Speaker 2: I've seen some people go as far to say that
Speaker 2: it was like a holographic simulation, that Charlie wasn't even
Speaker 2: really there, that they had holographic simulation technology, and like
Speaker 2: just a bunch of really wild stuff. And there is
Speaker 2: an agenda out there to make people believe that everything
Speaker 2: is staged and everything is fake, in order to make
Speaker 2: them stop asking questions, right, stop looking into it, because
Speaker 2: the entire investigation is essentially over in one foul swoop.
Speaker 2: When you say the entire thing was fake, right, no
Speaker 2: one's going to look into it anymore, no one ask
Speaker 2: any more important questions. All you got to do is
Speaker 2: blanket the entire event with it's entirely fake. It wasn't real,
Speaker 2: it was staged, right. That's how you get away from
Speaker 2: asking any kind of questions. But and it's interesting because
Speaker 2: no one would have been saying that if it wasn't
Speaker 2: for our film JFKX right, no one would ever have
Speaker 2: said that they believe the Charlie Kirk assassination was fake
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for a movie right on JFK. But
Speaker 2: I believe that there's way more evidence for a supposed
Speaker 2: fake assassination on JFK than anything else because Officer J. D.
Speaker 2: Tippett was also killed that day and his nickname was JFK.
Speaker 2: He looked identical to JFK. So if anything, that the
Speaker 2: entire JFK thing was some sort of weird, occult gas
Speaker 2: lighting ritual to kill someone that looks like GfK's nicknames JFK,
Speaker 2: so that way that they can completely get away with
Speaker 2: the entire thing, right. And when you look at the
Speaker 2: autopsy photos of JFK, you see a giant womb to
Speaker 2: the back of JFK's head, but you don't see a
Speaker 2: wound to the back the head in the Zubruder phone, Right. JD.
Speaker 2: Tippett was shot in the back of the head and
Speaker 2: in the back, and that's what you see JFK. The
Speaker 2: wounds on JFK and the autopsy photos are shot into
Speaker 2: the back, into the back of the head, exactly like
Speaker 2: how JD. Tippett was killed that exact same day. Right.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot more evidence when it comes to
Speaker 2: the JFK thing that makes it more plausible in my
Speaker 2: eyes than anything else. And even the uh most experienced
Speaker 2: JFK researchers will tell you that they believe that JFK's
Speaker 2: body was switched out.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, just like the JFK assassination. There has been no
Speaker 1: justice for that event, and unfortunately I don't see any
Speaker 1: justice for the Charlie Kirk assassination as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: History repeats itself. Even if the circumstances aren't the same,
Speaker 1: the results will most likely be the same. No justice
Speaker 1: for any of the people involved with this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seems like they're gonna keep moving forward
Speaker 2: into a conviction to go to trial with Tyler Robinson
Speaker 2: and it'll probably be strung out for a really long
Speaker 2: time before we ever get any kind of final conviction
Speaker 2: on it. And that's if he even makes it the
Speaker 2: far right, but they have nobody else, right, so if
Speaker 2: they don't convict him, then it looks like the biggest
Speaker 2: failure on the part of the FBI that has ever
Speaker 2: been done and the history of any investigation ever. So
Speaker 2: they aren't going to let that happen. They're going to
Speaker 2: have to go through They're gonna have to go headburst
Speaker 2: and double down on every single thing that they've ever said,
Speaker 2: because it's the only option that they have. They have
Speaker 2: nobody else. There is no other suspect that they've had
Speaker 2: on that they could possibly pin for this entire thing.
Speaker 2: And because they don't want the real person to actually
Speaker 2: get in trouble for So back to one of your
Speaker 2: questions that you mentioned about the exploding microphone, it's a
Speaker 2: possibility that it could have been the microphone, and then
Speaker 2: there's also a possibility that it could have been the necklace.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard this one.
Speaker 2: That's my it's my.
Speaker 1: So the necklace exploded, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the explosion from the necklace destroyed the microphone.
Speaker 2: The microphone is on the right side of his body,
Speaker 2: and it's very difficult for even a shape charge to
Speaker 2: explode here and then somehow hit him on the left side.
Speaker 2: It would almost have to take a complete U turn.
Speaker 2: It would have to do some matricks type shit in
Speaker 2: order to turn back around at him and the left
Speaker 2: side of the neck. But when you watch the footage,
Speaker 2: Charlie's shirt comes up, his necklace comes up off of
Speaker 2: the back. So if you saw the back footage, his
Speaker 2: necklace shoots up the backside of his shirt and his
Speaker 2: shirt flips all the way up. I'm thinking that the
Speaker 2: necklace turned inside of his shirt. It's one of those
Speaker 2: cross necklaces, right, Yeah, So the necklace shoots up, which
Speaker 2: brings his shirt up, the necklace turns. It's the only
Speaker 2: thing that would be able to swing to the left
Speaker 2: far enough to then explode and hit him into the
Speaker 2: left side of the neck right, So the necklace pops up,
Speaker 2: it explodes both ways. The fumbles in his shirt, hits
Speaker 2: him in the side of the neck, and then the
Speaker 2: other charge comes out the right side, which would be
Speaker 2: the left side if we were looking at him, hits
Speaker 2: the microphone and destroys the microphone. No, that's just my theory.
Speaker 1: It's possible with the level of technology that our military
Speaker 1: industrial complex has that we'll never know about. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that they have plenty of devices that could explode in
Speaker 1: that manner.
Speaker 2: So you got I mean, that's just my theory. Yeah, really,
Speaker 2: you have too much proof on it. But it seems
Speaker 2: like from the level that the FBI was concerned about
Speaker 2: the necklace, that's the only thing that makes sense. Right.
Speaker 2: If it was a microphone and you knew about the microphone,
Speaker 2: then you would be where's Charlie's microphone?
Speaker 1: It's interesting, man, Anything that we haven't covered about the
Speaker 1: Kirk assassination before we move on.
Speaker 2: Oh, man, not that I can think of off of
Speaker 2: the top of my head. Some people have brought up
Speaker 2: the fact that it might have been some sort of
Speaker 2: that it was a close up shooter, that it was
Speaker 2: someone with a handgun, yeah, or a palm pistol. I'm
Speaker 2: not too sure on that, but that was my first
Speaker 2: thought whenever initially happened, was that the shot, if it
Speaker 2: was a bullet, it was an up close shot with
Speaker 2: a with a twenty two is originally what I thought
Speaker 2: that it was, because again, at that distance from a rifle,
Speaker 2: from a thirty o six rifles and basically take Charlie's
Speaker 2: head completely off, there's no way that it doesn't, right,
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what we all reverted back to,
Speaker 2: and what got everybody up in arms again was, you know,
Speaker 2: we kind of went back to the fact, after the
Speaker 2: preliminary trial of what we had all been talking about
Speaker 2: for nine months prior, that thirty odd six can't it
Speaker 2: will leave a exit wound. There's no way that it
Speaker 2: doesn't leave an exit wound, right, So we reverted back
Speaker 2: to that again, and we had to go through that
Speaker 2: entire thing again, you know, showing that. And there's been
Speaker 2: Special Forces snipers that have come out recently and said
Speaker 2: that there is absolutely no way. This was a bullet
Speaker 2: from a thirty out six, and they've killed a lot
Speaker 2: of people with a thirty out six. They know what
Speaker 2: the damage looks like.
Speaker 1: He has bones of steel.
Speaker 2: Man of steel. Baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great research writer, man, I love it. Keep it up.
Speaker 1: We'll have to definitely revisit this as things progress. Before
Speaker 1: I let you go, it's been a while since we've
Speaker 1: actually hung out and gotten together. Compared observations about the
Speaker 1: state of reality, some of the more notable events that
Speaker 1: are surfacing is the emerging surveillance state, flock cameras, implementation
Speaker 1: of data centers, the collection of data. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about the state we're at. Have you noticed anything
Speaker 1: in your immediate area like flock cameras going up, red
Speaker 1: light cameras, any other type of surveillance that's emerging.
Speaker 2: No, I have not have in this area, but I've
Speaker 2: heard a lot of people talk about the highway that
Speaker 2: goes up into Cheyenne, Wyoming there from four Collins being
Speaker 2: heavily put with a bunch of flock cameras on the
Speaker 2: side of the road there in Colorado. It seems like
Speaker 2: it's hitting a lot of more royal war areas ahead
Speaker 2: of heavily populated areas, and you know, we kind of
Speaker 2: knew this was coming with official recognition software, but it
Speaker 2: might be even more deeper than that. It might it
Speaker 2: might even be a data collection on you, and not
Speaker 2: just taking photographs of your car or you walking past it.
Speaker 2: It might actually be connecting directly to your phone through
Speaker 2: some sort of bluetooth signal that's radiating off of the
Speaker 2: flow cameras that's been collecting all of the information directly
Speaker 2: off of your phone, So all the conversations that you've had,
Speaker 2: all the text messages that you have your social media account,
Speaker 2: if you have passwords saved onto your phone, notes on
Speaker 2: your phone. It seems like the because I've watched a
Speaker 2: few videos of people getting up close to them and
Speaker 2: they had the software that was and said that a
Speaker 2: lot of these are capturing data from people's phones and
Speaker 2: from their devices. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I even heard a theory recently that they are collecting biometrics,
Speaker 1: especially from those who may have opted into the Waxine,
Speaker 1: the Jevity jebs. They may have some kind of technology
Speaker 1: that can transmit biometrics to some of these devices that
Speaker 1: are going out that then is transferred to a data
Speaker 1: center where we have simulated versions of ourselves where they
Speaker 1: can run predictions and models and learn all about who
Speaker 1: and what we are as individuals and add a control
Speaker 1: system based on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that really wouldn't surprise me. I mean they've been
Speaker 2: trying to do that for a really long time. That's
Speaker 2: what the Internet has been all about, is creating these
Speaker 2: digital avatars of everybody inside of a matrix like system,
Speaker 2: a virtual reality system. I mean, that's what Nitanic with
Speaker 2: the Pokemon Go app, that's what they were doing, was
Speaker 2: trying to map the entire freaking world. Yeah, with they are,
Speaker 2: that's what they did. They had everybody out with their
Speaker 2: phones trying to catch Pokemon. All the while they're taking
Speaker 2: video and sending the video of everywhere that everyone has
Speaker 2: been to get into the nooks and crannies, into people's homes,
Speaker 2: into people, the people the places that are not very
Speaker 2: accessible to get cameras inside of, and then they map
Speaker 2: the entire thing or some kind of VR digital computer
Speaker 2: simulation program to train AI models.
Speaker 1: Train AI models. It's it, man, We're in wild times.
Speaker 1: Man Rider, this was great. Thank you so much. You
Speaker 1: mentioned your movie earlier that will be coming out very soon.
Speaker 1: Are there any other projects for you that are in
Speaker 1: the works in the future.
Speaker 2: No big projects right now at the moments of trying
Speaker 2: to get this movie out. Psychic Agent, the Gay Program
Speaker 2: that will be on Amazon Prime soon, and hopefully some
Speaker 2: other streaming platforms as well. I haven't really decided exactly
Speaker 2: what I'm going to do next on the movie front,
Speaker 2: but something always comes to me.
Speaker 1: So the world is your oyster man, Brady.
Speaker 2: It can be whatever I want it to be. So
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