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Speaker 1: so we last week we reviewed the first half Spider Noir,
Speaker 1: and so we are going to cover tonight the final
Speaker 1: four episodes and discuss doesn't stick the landing. But mister Hines,
Speaker 1: have you actually watched it all together? I think you
Speaker 1: were the first one to do that in the GUA
Speaker 1: first four episode. What do you think overall the first four?
Speaker 2: Overall, I really enjoyed this show so far, Chris. With
Speaker 2: the first four, I I will say, I want to
Speaker 2: say a little disappointment in the first episode kind of
Speaker 2: made me think I might get a bit more Spider
Speaker 2: Man swinging stuff. But I'm loving I had to realize,
Speaker 2: like obviously where this source material is coming from, and
Speaker 2: it's more detective than it is Spider Powers. So I've
Speaker 2: really digging this. And Nicholas Cage is absolutely perfect for this.
Speaker 2: He nails just the odd, weird he his personality fits perfectly,
Speaker 2: and the other characters in his universe I'm digging those
Speaker 2: as well. So yeah, with four episodes the end, I
Speaker 2: was loving it. I watched five straight. Luckily, the Secure
Speaker 2: network went down for the company I worked for and
Speaker 2: took seven hours for it to come back, so I
Speaker 2: got to watch five episodes in a row, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I couldn't stop watching it. So it had me hoped
Speaker 2: that I also can understand why you would release this
Speaker 2: type of show on a binge model, because it's not
Speaker 2: like you have a big event happening at the end
Speaker 2: of the second episode, at the end of the fourth episode.
Speaker 2: It's a linear story that you've just broken up in
Speaker 2: episode episodic pirates, but it's not like Daredevil, for example,
Speaker 2: where there's like a big event that happens in the
Speaker 2: second episode and in the fifth episode. So like, I
Speaker 2: can understand why the would drop this kind of similar
Speaker 2: to like what they do with like Kate Crusaders, I
Speaker 2: can understand why he would drop this the full thing
Speaker 2: at once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is now two shows and this year alone
Speaker 1: that David and I have had to break it up
Speaker 1: in order not to watch it all at once, just
Speaker 1: because it was not stopping. It's it's I'm not a
Speaker 1: fan of this, regardless of whether I'm a content creator
Speaker 1: or not. I hope this is the last one for
Speaker 1: the year that we have to do this, because it
Speaker 1: just I don't I don't like creating. I don't like
Speaker 1: how this it doesn't keep it in conversation, I understand
Speaker 1: I get in a small way why they do it
Speaker 1: like this, just because it's an untested They want to
Speaker 1: see what they can get for it. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if it's land but for just an audience person
Speaker 1: it you kind of forget about it at that point.
Speaker 1: It's and it doesn't live on. But you know enough
Speaker 1: of that. At that point, let's get into these final
Speaker 1: four episodes and break this down. Does the big question
Speaker 1: is is we'll come to the end. Does it stick
Speaker 1: the landing overall? So we're getting in a spoiler territory.
Speaker 1: So if you've not seen the final four episodes of
Speaker 1: Spider Noir stop Watch, come on back at that point. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: spoiler wall is going over in three two one. So
Speaker 1: the episode five is called Betrayal. And so we actually
Speaker 1: flashed back to the Wars. This is World War One.
Speaker 1: You know, Ben is a pow and he's no well
Speaker 1: excuse me. He goes to a pow camp and they
Speaker 1: they are able to free all these all these POWs,
Speaker 1: but finds that a number of them are being experimented on.
Speaker 1: We see some of are some of the ones that
Speaker 1: are being experimented on hybriding a mantis, a snake, a lizard,
Speaker 1: a spider hybrid's that's where we saw the man spider,
Speaker 1: you know from the trailer at that point, and the
Speaker 1: man Spider bites Peter excuse me, bites Ben in the
Speaker 1: arm before they shoot him, and Ben gives the order
Speaker 1: to burn the entire place down and they're all escaping
Speaker 1: and we see the men assembling in for the photo. Well,
Speaker 1: Ben collapses as he is getting his spider powers, you know,
Speaker 1: he said he notes takes some time to relearn how
Speaker 1: to be more human after the attack, and like he
Speaker 1: the spider genetics were kind of taking over. So one
Speaker 1: thing I want to ask your opinion on, because I
Speaker 1: brought this up last week, I really enjoy and I
Speaker 1: thought it was a good move for the showrunners of
Speaker 1: the show to how they have organically brought up origins
Speaker 1: and brought up discussion points instead of just going this
Speaker 1: is how it happened in the beginning and then going
Speaker 1: way through. I like how we're peace mailing it through,
Speaker 1: just like the mystery being unwoven in the and the
Speaker 1: story and finding out who's who's gonna get one over on.
Speaker 2: Silvermain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Silvermain, So what did you How have you thought
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 1: What have you thought about this kind of structure?
Speaker 2: It keeps you on your toes, Chris, so you don't
Speaker 2: get too use to things. I really like this backstory too.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad they didn't go with the Spider Total stuff,
Speaker 2: which is what I thought when I heard Nicholas Cage
Speaker 2: was announced. That was my first thoughts, like they're gonna
Speaker 2: go so heavy into this Spider Total, but no, they
Speaker 2: go to exact opposite and seeing him watching the movies
Speaker 2: to learn how to act human again, and you can
Speaker 2: even see in the way he talks and acts like
Speaker 2: he's just copying those people. I loved it, and I
Speaker 2: love the way they're going back and forth here because
Speaker 2: again it just keeps you like not sure what's going
Speaker 2: to come next. And I really appreciate it because I
Speaker 2: was waiting for this backstory for a couple of episodes,
Speaker 2: so to get it now and then, like you said, yeah,
Speaker 2: just jump back and forth so you're not just stuck
Speaker 2: in that basically a bottle episode. You're still moving to
Speaker 2: van Selon as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, bears lay in the chest to charge for sewing.
Speaker 2: Up late, good evening, Good evening bears.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, so moving towards you know, his discussion with Kat,
Speaker 1: he's talking about how, you know, we're learning to be
Speaker 1: more human the spider, the irachna genetics are inside of it.
Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of like I hear him kind
Speaker 1: of talking like this, it's a little swamp thing esque,
Speaker 1: and I say a little because swamp thing it's not
Speaker 1: Alec Holland. It's a plant that thinks he's Alec Holland.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like he's still Ben. But I kind
Speaker 1: of got a little bit, oh, you're trying to kind
Speaker 1: of tip of the hat to swamp thing there.
Speaker 2: We get more of a look at that too in
Speaker 2: a couple in the episode where he gets taken and
Speaker 2: gets experimented on, right, Like, yeah, I tak that a
Speaker 2: little bit more.
Speaker 1: It almost He even refers to what happened to him,
Speaker 1: like the army and experimented on him and they knew
Speaker 1: something was up with him as well.
Speaker 2: He does those weird spider hicks.
Speaker 1: At which was a cool thing to look at in
Speaker 1: the sense of like, what, you know, how he got
Speaker 1: his powers and that it's not as you know, not
Speaker 1: as clisto clear, you know, not as smooth as what
Speaker 1: we see Peter later on in his version of his
Speaker 1: power set. I mean, yeah, he goes through this tup
Speaker 1: and he has and become like battling a racknet feelings.
Speaker 1: But we'll see in brand new days some things may
Speaker 1: be going on in that sense as.
Speaker 2: Spiders go through life cycles. Chris voice, that's all.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so Cat's saying, well, Flint's powers came from
Speaker 1: the same place as Ben's, and he admits that the
Speaker 1: case as he wanted to learn from Flint as something
Speaker 1: that gave them the same powers could perhaps take them back.
Speaker 1: Kat asked if he really would want that, and he
Speaker 1: admits that all he thought about since Ruby died is
Speaker 1: just being Ben Riley. So we flashed to Robbie. He
Speaker 1: goes to Robert Walters at the Bugle. Robbie offers to
Speaker 1: let the Bugle publish his latest story in one condition
Speaker 1: they run the piece as is not like what they
Speaker 1: did last time in Root and totally change everything that
Speaker 1: he put out there.
Speaker 2: Also his reputation with people he's trying to get stories too,
Speaker 2: so and.
Speaker 1: He wants a protraction to apologize to Flint and Lonnie.
Speaker 1: So you know he's making all demands, but he has
Speaker 1: the fun story. He has the good story. They wanted
Speaker 1: to sell the papers. He has the high right, Yeah, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Flint's making his way down the alley as he walks
Speaker 1: into the building and finds Lonnie. Flint notes that Silvermain
Speaker 1: takes care of his own and offers the job working
Speaker 1: with Silvermain, and Lonnie just says, I don't want to
Speaker 1: work for another white man. But Flint says they need
Speaker 1: to take what they can while they can, and Flint
Speaker 1: suggests that they take they take life by the you
Speaker 1: know cohon is he has and and uh, while they
Speaker 1: still have a life to live. But I like that
Speaker 1: Lonnie points us out and it's of the time, and
Speaker 1: I mean when you could say it's even still. But
Speaker 1: it's very APROPOTHI that he said, I don't want to
Speaker 1: you know, I fought a war for you know, white people.
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to now work for another
Speaker 1: white person that doesn't care about me.
Speaker 2: And I was experimenting on by white people. And again,
Speaker 2: I really love his character and I'm so clad with
Speaker 2: his whole story in this first season. So it's one
Speaker 2: of the bright spots of the like actually bright side
Speaker 2: for people.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Bearsley, I didn't mean to spoil something that was
Speaker 1: out there, but you know, I can't tell if you're
Speaker 1: sarcasm or anything like that because you didn't put here sarcasm.
Speaker 1: But so across town we go back to silvermin Actually, no,
Speaker 1: before that, we go to Ben's office and Ben Janet
Speaker 1: Ronnie are reviewing the photos of the veterans and it was
Speaker 1: all part of the failed super Soldier program that the
Speaker 1: Germans were running. Ah super Soldier, who could what do
Speaker 1: they do? They don't mention Captain America, but they're doing
Speaker 1: a super Soldier broom. I like that little tip of the.
Speaker 2: Hat, and yeah, it does open up potential windows down
Speaker 2: the line, Like it doesn't have to be a cat
Speaker 2: in America. It could just be a Sony Super Soldier
Speaker 2: version in the second season. Like it's that get opens
Speaker 2: up more possibilities for potential next season.
Speaker 1: Yeh. And in corner Lani, they were seeking out this
Speaker 1: doctor to excuse me, Cornelani, this doctor Fabe was seeking
Speaker 1: them out at the hospital. So across town we get Silverman,
Speaker 1: who questions what Spider the Spider's angle is it was,
Speaker 1: and Kat suggests that he's just trying to get get
Speaker 1: by like everyone else, and that's when Flint and Lonnie
Speaker 1: go into the room. Kat congratulates Flint on his promotion
Speaker 1: as Silverman excuses her away to talk business because he
Speaker 1: can't have women around.
Speaker 2: And this is right after when he saw her with Ben,
Speaker 2: right like, yeah, okay, I just want to.
Speaker 1: Make sure because he's a little giving her a lot
Speaker 1: of the cold soldier.
Speaker 2: And it's just a lot of tension in this moment too.
Speaker 2: You don't know if the odds we're going to tell
Speaker 2: on each other.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So we go to Robbie's heading down to
Speaker 1: the VA asked about doctor Faber. As doctor Faber comes
Speaker 1: to see Robbie, Ben breaks into her office upstairs and
Speaker 1: Robbie questions the connection of how four of her patients
Speaker 1: have ended up having superpowers, and she notes that she's
Speaker 1: not at liberty to discuss other patients information with anyone
Speaker 1: other than the police, and she excuses herself as she
Speaker 1: notes that the men only stated I started displaying the
Speaker 1: powers after they entered her care, and he suggests that
Speaker 1: she is to blame. This triggers her reaction to everything
Speaker 1: and that she has done what's done is done for
Speaker 1: a reason. And he threws like he's going to publish
Speaker 1: a story. Upstairs, Ben pulls out several files as he
Speaker 1: hears doctor Faber approaching, and Ben puts on an act
Speaker 1: and sneaks away, having dropped the files out the window
Speaker 1: with his webbing. As he exists, doctor Faber's right hand man,
Speaker 1: Ogden recognizes Ben as the man who freed them in France.
Speaker 1: She sends Ben, sends him after Ben, but when he
Speaker 1: reaches them, Robbie and Ben are gone. So I did
Speaker 1: like that kind of cool thing, as the webbing going
Speaker 1: down and bringing down the files.
Speaker 2: And him snatching at it try to get it right quick.
Speaker 2: I did like that. I like the whole Ronnie running
Speaker 2: interference like that was just I don't know, it just worked,
Speaker 2: like a lot of stuff just works. I think it's
Speaker 2: because we've known the characters for five episodes.
Speaker 1: The yep Solni Inflant burst into the police precinct and
Speaker 1: tossed the officers away until they reached Leyden, the man
Speaker 1: with the electrical abilities as Silverman, enters the room and
Speaker 1: to make a deal to have him join his team.
Speaker 1: Once freed, Leyden takes pleasure in killing the detectives, who
Speaker 1: has been interrogating him with a deadly kiss that electric
Speaker 1: gets him, killing him instantly. So, you know, I originally
Speaker 1: thought this was going to be like Electro, but he
Speaker 1: calls himself a mega lot.
Speaker 2: I think he's made one appearance ever in comics because
Speaker 2: I looked him up after watching this and hear in
Speaker 2: his name, because I thought like, they're going to say
Speaker 2: Electro eventually, but no, Yeah, he's made one appearance and
Speaker 2: like a Nonny's comic.
Speaker 1: Nip, why not go for the deep polls? So what
Speaker 1: we do learn is that the prisoners were injected with
Speaker 1: irratated materials and had their genes altered. Ben tells Robbie
Speaker 1: that the guy who bit him was dying but somehow
Speaker 1: lived somehow. Ben asked Robbie to tell Kat about Flint
Speaker 1: if he's going to die, as he doesn't want her
Speaker 1: to hear about it from in the paper. He asks
Speaker 1: how deep he is of the cat and Ben calls
Speaker 1: and cuts the conversation short.
Speaker 2: Give him twenty four hours, doesn't he before he publishes Sorry?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So Ben goes to see Silvermin and finds Flint,
Speaker 1: Lonnie and Leaden. Silverman calls Ben to pass along a
Speaker 1: warning of the Spider, awarding that it's that it's best
Speaker 1: interest to play nice and stay out of the battle
Speaker 1: with the mayor. As Ben Lee's Flint comes to see
Speaker 1: him and tells him that he knows about Winston, and
Speaker 1: Flint says that he knows that he set Winston up
Speaker 1: for Cat. He didn't tell Silverman and he doesn't want
Speaker 1: Cat dead, but he makes it clear this was one's.
Speaker 1: This is Ben's free pass to get out of town
Speaker 1: and stop seeing Kat.
Speaker 2: Everybody gets one, Everyone gets one.
Speaker 1: Exactly. I thought the same thing too. So Ben heads
Speaker 1: to Cat's place and enters through the window. He tells
Speaker 1: her that Flint is back and Silvermain with Silvermain and
Speaker 1: tells her that he knows about Winston, and Kat admits
Speaker 1: that she's worried about him, and Ben says she should
Speaker 1: be and explains that Flint and the others have been
Speaker 1: seeing doctor Faber and her treatment only made things worse
Speaker 1: and Flint is likely going to die. She asks when,
Speaker 1: and he Ben explains that every time he uses powers
Speaker 1: he gets closer to death's death, and she asks him
Speaker 1: to She asks to be alone, and she sends him away,
Speaker 1: but Ben asks for what is left for them here.
Speaker 1: He suggests that they should leave New York head out
Speaker 1: to Sanchorini, where they could start their own club and
Speaker 1: he could bartend and you know, just get away. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know what this is, but he's willing to find out,
Speaker 1: like he has follow her. She is a pure fem fatale.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, And it's tough for men here. I
Speaker 2: feel for them at the outcome of putting his heart
Speaker 2: out there, but it's nice to see him actually do
Speaker 2: that after being so closed out for so long.
Speaker 1: So Ben takes Janet out to breakfast fallo in the
Speaker 1: morning and tells her he's going to leave town. He's
Speaker 1: gonna leave with Kat and Ben. She says, you know,
Speaker 1: Ben a midst that it's crazy, but they've known each
Speaker 1: other for so long and he already feels this way,
Speaker 1: but he wants to explore this, and Janet tells him
Speaker 1: that she's really happy for me. Like Janet cares from
Speaker 1: not in a way of like she loves them, but
Speaker 1: that she cares from as a as a dear friend.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yes, she her character. I really enjoyed her characters progressing
Speaker 2: for this entire season because she wasn't just used for
Speaker 2: comedic bits. There were times she was used for that,
Speaker 2: but she had nowhere.
Speaker 1: But you always have a little bit of screwball stuff
Speaker 1: and oh yeah.
Speaker 2: The worry is just you viewed that character solely for
Speaker 2: that and that's not what's done here at all. She
Speaker 2: really stands out, especially towards the end of this season.
Speaker 1: YEP. So Kat begins to pack her bags, is there
Speaker 1: as the knock at the door and she grabs the
Speaker 1: gun in the front of the dresser and Lonnie is
Speaker 1: at the door come to talk about Flynn. Kat goes
Speaker 1: to the theater and finds Flint and offers help. She
Speaker 1: assures him that what she did she did for them.
Speaker 1: She didn't tell him because he would have told her no,
Speaker 1: not to do it, because he's more loyal to Silverman
Speaker 1: than to her. He says he would have killed Silverman
Speaker 1: for her if she just asked and gave him the chance.
Speaker 1: He suggests that maybe it's time he accepted that he's
Speaker 1: just muscle for a gangster. His anger leads him to
Speaker 1: smash the beam, nearly falling on Cap, but luckily Lonnie
Speaker 1: just quickly steps in and saves her and just tells
Speaker 1: Kat just to go yeah, and after Flint storms off,
Speaker 1: Kat asks if there's any hope to save them, as
Speaker 1: Lonnie says, there is only one thing that they could
Speaker 1: do to try, and she needed to Spide her as
Speaker 1: she thinks the mutation is more instable than theirs and
Speaker 1: he could be the answer to this. The only problem
Speaker 1: is she doesn't know who he is. The doctor Faber
Speaker 1: begins to pack things up, knowing that once the story
Speaker 1: is published, the authorities are gonna coming down for them.
Speaker 1: She's going to go to jail. She doesn't want to
Speaker 1: give that up, but Ogden assures her that she's done
Speaker 1: all she can and they're about to go. That's when
Speaker 1: Kat shows up and says, does he she doctor Faber
Speaker 1: truly want to save them? And can she say? Flint
Speaker 1: with the Spider and Lonnie and Kat asked if doctor
Speaker 1: Faber will promise not to harm the Spider if she
Speaker 1: reveals the identity, and she tells her it is Ben Riley,
Speaker 1: and that is how the episode closes. I think they did. Really,
Speaker 1: they've done I think pretty consistently with each episode a
Speaker 1: good kind of Cliffhanger esque you know moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was good. It was nice to see here, well,
Speaker 2: not nice to see but you can see why she's
Speaker 2: made her choice there, which is she's kind with the
Speaker 2: sad man over the spider, and it sucks because, like
Speaker 2: we just mentioned a moment ago, he's finally opened up
Speaker 2: for somebody. He's gonna get the Ralph Wiggam treatment.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. But yeah, So we're gonna take our first
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Speaker 1: episode sakes Nightmare on a gurney, uh so, looking like
Speaker 1: some ideas of you know, some some thing's about to
Speaker 1: be happening, some experimentations. So as the episode open, Ben
Speaker 1: begins to gather his things to prepare to leave with Cap.
Speaker 1: That's when Ogden shows up and mentions that he recognized Ben,
Speaker 1: but Ben doesn't recognize him. This is a big revelation here.
Speaker 1: Ogden tells Ben that he saved his life. As he
Speaker 1: reaches into his pocket for a photo, he said he
Speaker 1: called him Freckles and he looks so young and Ogden
Speaker 1: and he says, how old are He says, I'm thirty six,
Speaker 1: And he says despite his appearance, the mutation that he
Speaker 1: has ages him quickly, and doctor Faber is the last
Speaker 1: chance for to survive and try to do a good thing.
Speaker 1: And Ogden says, if Robbie runs the story, that will
Speaker 1: be the end of Faber's work. Ben says, Nope, not
Speaker 1: going to do it. It's too late. I gotta go.
Speaker 1: And he wouldn't even stop Robbie. Robbi wouldn't stop even
Speaker 1: if he asked him to at this point. That would
Speaker 1: be totally unfair. So and that really disappoints Ogden, and
Speaker 1: so you know, you know it, it breaks his heart
Speaker 1: to say he wants to, he wants to, and he
Speaker 1: thinks Ben's being very selfish.
Speaker 2: Which Conde is a little bit although I can see
Speaker 2: Ben's reasoning of not knowing who these people are. Maybe
Speaker 2: a different sales pitch might have worked, but what they
Speaker 2: need to do, I don't think he would have signed
Speaker 2: up for anyway in this moment.
Speaker 1: So yep, and that's Ben why, you know out and
Speaker 1: ask Ben why he won't even try, and ask Ben
Speaker 1: if he wanted to be cured as he notes that
Speaker 1: he he knows that he really who he really is.
Speaker 1: He followed him into the ward when Ben was bitten.
Speaker 1: If he hadn't changed his name, he would have come earlier.
Speaker 1: Ben pulls out the Spider mass and tells him that
Speaker 1: he about his plans to leave town start over, and
Speaker 1: that's when Ogden and Jackson with a drug that knocks out.
Speaker 1: That was a cool thing, blinking you miss at the moment,
Speaker 1: saying if he hadn't changed his name, that is as
Speaker 1: close as an acknowledgment as we're gonna get that his
Speaker 1: real name is Peter.
Speaker 2: Parker and again, and I'll take it.
Speaker 1: I will take it. I said, good for if they
Speaker 1: stuck it as Ben Raley, I accepted to move on
Speaker 1: despite all my joking, high check name, I've Ben Riley.
Speaker 1: They didn't have to put that line in there. I
Speaker 1: liked that they did as a very simple acknowledgement. You know,
Speaker 1: if you know, you know, and if.
Speaker 2: You want then you can be like, this is the
Speaker 2: same spotder noire from the across the Spider verse, Zilms.
Speaker 2: You can say that to yourself and that's fine, hen Ken,
Speaker 2: if you want to think this is Ben Riley, You're
Speaker 2: more than welcome to as well.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. So, So Ogden carries Ben into the lab
Speaker 1: and doctor Faber notes that he's not a murderer, but
Speaker 1: he's he's a hero. And as she has Ogden prepping
Speaker 1: for blood retrieval, kits with flash back to Ben when
Speaker 1: he was bitten and watch as he waken from his sleep.
Speaker 1: And so this is when heims to struggle with the
Speaker 1: uncontrollable ticks. And this is where we see the army
Speaker 1: wanted to experiment.
Speaker 2: On him, experiments the one time here.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so Favor says the army only wanted to
Speaker 1: weaponize the men and continue experimenting on them, but she
Speaker 1: wants to help, making her nothing like the others. But
Speaker 1: we learned that Faber lost her son once and wants
Speaker 1: a second chance for her favorite lost her son once
Speaker 1: and he wants a second chance for her son. And
Speaker 1: her son is Ogden. That was another revelation.
Speaker 2: I had that Well, I figured something was weird by
Speaker 2: the time, like she would listen to him, and the
Speaker 2: back and forth they had was not of the couple.
Speaker 2: So I was like, this is a little odd. So
Speaker 2: I don't know, I was skeptical of him. So, like,
Speaker 2: I knew it was gonna be some sort of reveal,
Speaker 2: but what we see later is really what makes this
Speaker 2: so cool.
Speaker 1: Yep. So the test shows that Ben's blood is normal,
Speaker 1: Favor is determined to find answers. Ben has come and
Speaker 1: tries to free himself as Ogden comes in and apologize
Speaker 1: for all this. He gives Ben a glass of water,
Speaker 1: which he quickly downs. Ogden questions his decision to leave
Speaker 1: town and tells him that there's still time for Ben
Speaker 1: to be a hero. Ben says he's never getting out
Speaker 1: of town getting iris alive, as Ogden assures him that
Speaker 1: his mom's is trying to save him, and I'm with Bet,
Speaker 1: He's like, he ain't leaving here alive. You know that's
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: She's given him no reason to think that she wouldn't
Speaker 2: go to extreme lengths to save hers on yep.
Speaker 1: And that's when Faber comes in and tells Ogden they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to harvest his genetic materials and his organs,
Speaker 1: and she believes that they can find a cure for
Speaker 1: the other mutations as she takes him for surgery after
Speaker 1: his mass turns into a spider on his face, which
Speaker 1: was kind of a cool effect.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 1: So after sedation, Ben uses the military doctor. Ben sees
Speaker 1: military doctors cutting him open. This is where it gets
Speaker 1: kind of like moves from film noir to the to
Speaker 1: the idea of kind of horror esque moments which I
Speaker 1: work for this. You know, he's under sedation, he's going
Speaker 1: like spiders are coming out of him, He's losing control
Speaker 1: of his mind. You know, I thought that was kind
Speaker 1: of a freaky moment.
Speaker 2: I watched it in color. Oh okay, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 2: have the option.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I'm sorry you don't have the option.
Speaker 1: I gave it for I tried it for five minutes
Speaker 1: first episode.
Speaker 2: Said nope, no, I wish I could have watched it
Speaker 2: in my deadline when I do, like if I find
Speaker 2: it and I have the option, but I did not
Speaker 2: have the option to watch it. Yeah that might be
Speaker 2: at TV.
Speaker 1: Yep, and some Favor begins running more test hoping to
Speaker 1: find an answer, and they she seems to find something.
Speaker 1: She formulates a solution that she believes will Kira Ogden
Speaker 1: injects him with it and his body begins to shake.
Speaker 1: Camera rotate and we see Ogden back to his normal self,
Speaker 1: so Favor and Ogden embrace. She celebrates and says they
Speaker 1: need to clear out Favor s if they can't go
Speaker 1: until they give Ben the antidote. It is up to
Speaker 1: him to choose, but he deserves that choice. And Faber
Speaker 1: wants to run, knowing that the police will throw them
Speaker 1: behind bars, and she says his life was always the
Speaker 1: price for hers as she pulls out the gun with
Speaker 1: the intention of killing Ben. Ogden then takes it and
Speaker 1: says he'll do it and he needs to look Ben
Speaker 1: in the eye as soldier to soldier. Ben is able
Speaker 1: to use his webs and he gets the keys to
Speaker 1: free himself, but he's very weak, and so that's when
Speaker 1: Ogden comes in to Ben's surprise to see him young,
Speaker 1: and Ogden says he's going to try to save his life.
Speaker 1: All he wants for Ben to do is promise not
Speaker 1: to kill his mother and outside, Silverman arrives at the lab,
Speaker 1: Flint and Laden is there. Ogden and Ben begin heading
Speaker 1: for the elevator and Ben gets a spider scents and
Speaker 1: realizes that realizes that Robbie would have run then in
Speaker 1: the article and makes the location of the lab known,
Speaker 1: so they ask. They ask her to lead them to
Speaker 1: the rest of the patient's lab, and this is where
Speaker 1: it gets e more freaky, you know, as exit. Ben
Speaker 1: arrives in the lab and changes his clothes to h
Speaker 1: and sport the antidote. Meanwhile, Faber leads him, leads Silvermain
Speaker 1: through all this and sees all the ones who have
Speaker 1: succumbed to the mutations. There were countless others who.
Speaker 2: Are going, Oh, I love how it affects Lonnie and flint.
Speaker 1: Yep and Ogden tries this so and so she tells
Speaker 1: him that she can run, she can help Leyden and
Speaker 1: shocks her and sends her excuse me back up. She
Speaker 1: tells them that she can help them, as Leyden shocks
Speaker 1: her and send her to the ground. Ogden arrives and
Speaker 1: tries to save his mom, but they're no match for Leyden,
Speaker 1: who kills them both and ignites a fire. Big surprise,
Speaker 1: Megawatt did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just a complete loose cannon anyway, a wildcart
Speaker 2: and yeah, well you can see from this what why
Speaker 2: what happens in the final.
Speaker 1: Episode, Yeah, bears there just don't don't uh, yeah, don't
Speaker 1: watch it in color. It's just just don't watch it if.
Speaker 2: You can watch it. I watch it that way as
Speaker 2: someone who watched it in color.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so and bears they are also like the touch
Speaker 1: of the the changing of the name. So yep, it
Speaker 1: was good. But yeah, so silver Main, Lonnie, Flint, and
Speaker 1: Laden make it out before the lab goes up in flames,
Speaker 1: and Ben also makes out alive, and we see Ben
Speaker 1: indeed got the antidote before leaving, and that is how
Speaker 1: the episode closes there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now he has an the ability to take
Speaker 2: away their powers and maybe even his. So a couple
Speaker 2: of things on the board.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, all right, So second to last time of
Speaker 1: a penalults of an episode, episode seven, nobody's here. Why
Speaker 1: don't you take it away? That's why I go grab
Speaker 1: another drink?
Speaker 2: You got it? So kat is watching uh is watching
Speaker 2: the time on her watch as she plays the piano
Speaker 2: and recalls her conversation with Ben and turning him over
Speaker 2: to favor. So she's really broken up about that. She
Speaker 2: hears Silvermain and the others at the club and she
Speaker 2: must know what happened. Obviously at the lab, Lonnie says
Speaker 2: they f hand a whole lot of dead soldiers, including
Speaker 2: a lot of their quod friends. I do like how
Speaker 2: Lani is extra nice to Kat. There were no answers
Speaker 2: for them though, and they only found specimens in the jar,
Speaker 2: so they burned the place to the ground. Essentially, That's
Speaker 2: not exactly what happened, but that's what they know right now.
Speaker 2: They don't know that there is an antecdote, so they
Speaker 2: set fire to Favor's lab. Laden Flint and Lani anenter
Speaker 2: de Mayor's office to steal his campaign funds. Got to say,
Speaker 2: is not the note's here, but why on earth would
Speaker 2: you keep all of your funds in your campaign office,
Speaker 2: especially like this is not episode one or two, this
Speaker 2: is episode seven now, so you should know there are
Speaker 2: super villains like in in the world now and they
Speaker 2: could potentially and Silvermain's running everything. Maybe hot it a
Speaker 2: bit better, That would be my thought there, that that
Speaker 2: just he deserves to have his money stolen a little bit.
Speaker 2: And the mayor I haven't had this chance to speak
Speaker 2: on him, such a fat cat, like, no, no, you
Speaker 2: deserve to go to you shouldn't stay on after this
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: He's there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just again, why do you keep your
Speaker 2: money in that area when you know like they are
Speaker 2: super villains and Silvermain is running the town like you
Speaker 2: think you'd hot it a little bit better than that,
Speaker 2: so kind of deserves to get his fun stolen. That's
Speaker 2: where we're at, Chris.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. Continue.
Speaker 2: So the mayor returns to his office afterwards, and I
Speaker 2: don't know why he's shocked, but he shouldn't be. That
Speaker 2: is ransacked and all the campaign money has gone that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You go to to the police chief and these two
Speaker 2: people have button heads the entire season. Uh. I do
Speaker 2: love how the police chief is basically trying to wait tout.
Speaker 2: At some points he's letting silvermin to take control of
Speaker 2: the city, and the chief point that he has three
Speaker 2: superpowered men on his payroll, so there's not much that
Speaker 2: he can do. He doesn't think the mayor will be
Speaker 2: in position of power much longer, like I said so,
Speaker 2: and if he doesn't have the Spider, he doesn't have
Speaker 2: a chance. But the mayor made that big show of
Speaker 2: like look at me with the spider and yeah, not great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So meanwhile Kat goes to Ben's office and Janet
Speaker 1: can sense something is wrong. Kat asks if she's seen Ben,
Speaker 1: and she reveals it he never showed up to meet her.
Speaker 1: It seems as it's been days since anyone has heard
Speaker 1: from Yeah, because we didn't really know how long he
Speaker 1: was being down there, as Janet recalls the last he
Speaker 1: heard from Saturday, and Janet calls the Beagle to leave
Speaker 1: a message for Robbie, knowing something is wrong, as Kat
Speaker 1: heads out to ask her to connect contact her if
Speaker 1: Janet hears anything. So we do see Ben. He's drowning
Speaker 1: his stars because he knows cappitrate him and he's just
Speaker 1: he's This was a cool I just thought how funny
Speaker 1: this was because it fits Nick get kids. Protet gets drunk,
Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do, his life, doesn't feel any
Speaker 1: meaning for it, and he just gets into a big
Speaker 1: bar bral with him. Of all these people know who
Speaker 1: he is at this point, you know he does. They
Speaker 1: know who Ben Riley is. But like he gets into
Speaker 1: this very kind of drunken barbral as a spider.
Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't gonna get in the bar bra first.
Speaker 2: But the loud mouse like men are there basically talking
Speaker 2: trash a bit of spider and you're right, I don't
Speaker 2: know if this works if there's another actor playing Ben Riley.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this comes off as well, but
Speaker 2: with Nick Cage it just works. It works perfectly, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I love this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Robbie eventually arrives after the fight and pulls out
Speaker 1: the antidote. He tells Robbie that he's going to cure
Speaker 1: himself as Robbie takes it from him and tells him
Speaker 1: that if he felt, if he felt right after taking
Speaker 1: the antidote, he would have already taken it as a
Speaker 1: head out, and he brings out a point like, if
Speaker 1: he was gonna do it, he should have done it already.
Speaker 2: He was waiting for somebody to convince and yes, we'll
Speaker 2: convince him. Not too so.
Speaker 1: Ben tells Robbie about Kat's Betrow. Robbie's sympathetic, but asked
Speaker 1: about the rest of New York, Ben says the city
Speaker 1: hated him, but Robbie says he never hated him, and
Speaker 1: as he understood the price of being a hero. Ben
Speaker 1: says he never did this to be a hero, but
Speaker 1: that at the time it made him feel good. Robbie
Speaker 1: asked if he'll sleep better if he takes the antidote
Speaker 1: and doesn't and doesn't help Lonnie and Flint. He asks
Speaker 1: why Ben deserves the antidote more than Lonnie and Flint,
Speaker 1: and Robbie points out that how Ben couldn't save Ruby
Speaker 1: because he didn't know, but this time he has a
Speaker 1: chance and he just needs to make it, which was good.
Speaker 1: I like, I like how Robbie is in this like
Speaker 1: he is he is a good substitute for May Parker,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yes, And again I do like the conversation here because
Speaker 2: Robbie also says, like that de started, you know, I've
Speaker 2: never asked you to come back and put on the
Speaker 2: mask like he like talks me at a friend level.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I really enjoyed this conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Robbie helps Ben back to the office and Ben
Speaker 1: tells Janet that about everything that's happened. In the process,
Speaker 1: he accidentally reveals that he's a spider, but the new
Speaker 1: is no surprise to Janet. We flash back to discovering
Speaker 1: she has seen him as a spider many times over
Speaker 1: the years, typically when he's drunk. Turns out she's been
Speaker 1: keeping the secret as she felt Ben would worry less
Speaker 1: if he didn't know that she knew, which was a
Speaker 1: cool and funny moment.
Speaker 2: And like I said, anth Moore to her character, now
Speaker 2: when she's been holding the dive for so long yep.
Speaker 1: So Kat finds Flint into her apartment and he admits
Speaker 1: that he's to being scared when he first met her,
Speaker 1: as she didn't think women like her existed before he
Speaker 1: met her. Beautiful, smart, talented, classy, determined women are all around,
Speaker 1: but he never thought he would meet someone like her,
Speaker 1: possessed all those qualities. He couldn't believe she picked him,
Speaker 1: and Kat remarks that he loved her. Remarks that he
Speaker 1: loved her at the work, at her worst, and pushed
Speaker 1: her to be better. She loves him and doesn't know
Speaker 1: why he can't get it through his head. He does
Speaker 1: believe her, but he does know that his life has
Speaker 1: no taste or feeling without her, and he tells her
Speaker 1: that they saw what came of the others and that
Speaker 1: there is no way out. He doesn't care if he dies.
Speaker 1: What hurts him is that he couldn't wait for the
Speaker 1: dirt for her. He couldn't wait for the dirt to
Speaker 1: hit his grave before she moved on with Ben and
Speaker 1: he assured She assures him, accuse me. He assures her
Speaker 1: that he won't tell Silvermin that she's the mole, but
Speaker 1: he'll eventually find out and there's no way for him
Speaker 1: to no way for him to protect her, which you know,
Speaker 1: it was kind of sad, but you know it's all true.
Speaker 2: They're basically starcross lovers for the most of this, And yeah,
Speaker 2: I he's so conflicted here because he's a really loyal guy,
Speaker 2: so he kind of wants to be a little silver
Speaker 2: main too. We see that for like, he takes him
Speaker 2: a while, so I do like this back and forth,
Speaker 2: but she's picked him, so she can't really tell him
Speaker 2: any more than that.
Speaker 1: Yep. So, back of Ben's office, Ben comes up with
Speaker 1: a plan to inject Lonnie flint and laden with the
Speaker 1: antidote before taking it himself. He begins putting the antidote
Speaker 1: in syringes as the report comes out over the radio
Speaker 1: about an attack in Harlem. Robbie goes to see Lonnie
Speaker 1: and questions why he's doing this. Robbie tries to make
Speaker 1: it clear that this isn't the route to go as
Speaker 1: the Spider swings in and knocks Lonnie down. The pair
Speaker 1: begins fighting, and the spider tries to inject Lonnie with
Speaker 1: the antidote, but it does not break the skin with
Speaker 1: the needle, and as Lonnie goes to crush him the Spider.
Speaker 1: During the fight, Robbie drabs the anidote into Lonnie's eye
Speaker 1: and works through the skin to transform him back to
Speaker 1: normal human appearance, and the police come in attack the Spider,
Speaker 1: but Lonnie jumps in and pulls him aside as Robbie
Speaker 1: drives off. Lonnie and Robbie then take the Spider back
Speaker 1: to Robbie's place to rest. Now he's been cured, Lonnie
Speaker 1: has plans to head out of town with his mother
Speaker 1: and thanks Robbie for everything he did to help him.
Speaker 1: He makes it clear that the city needs men like
Speaker 1: Robbie just as much as they may need men like
Speaker 1: the Spider. As they had out to begin a new life,
Speaker 1: and as the episode closes, the Mayor and Silverman are
Speaker 1: each made aware of the events that transpired in Harlem
Speaker 1: with Ben, Robbie, and Lonnie. The Spider has the antidote,
Speaker 1: and both parties make it clear they need to get
Speaker 1: in touch with Ben Riley. I like the ending of Lonnie.
Speaker 1: How they brought Lonnie's arc Tuo Colos. You know he
Speaker 1: was the very reluctant. He was just the one that
Speaker 1: was caught in the middle of this and just always
Speaker 1: saw it a better life and always felt like everyone
Speaker 1: was out there to use him, And now he has
Speaker 1: a chance to strike out at his own and get
Speaker 1: away from those who have been using him.
Speaker 2: He's basically been a good person for the most of
Speaker 2: this show, and to see him be rewarded, because there
Speaker 2: are several times he comes into talks to Robbie earlier on,
Speaker 2: so he had to see him be rewarded here and
Speaker 2: to actually get to go off. It's nice to see you,
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, who gave me? I was like,
Speaker 2: this going to be as tragic as I thought it
Speaker 2: was going to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So all right, so let us head into the
Speaker 1: final episode of maybe a season one, maybe a season finale,
Speaker 1: we don't know, but episode eight the Man in the Mask.
Speaker 1: So as the season finale opens, silver Main is reflecting
Speaker 1: on his rise to power and how he never got comfortable,
Speaker 1: advice he gives to Kat as he encourages her never
Speaker 1: to be satisfied, never to accept what you've been given.
Speaker 1: He steps away to the bathroom as he heads through
Speaker 1: the phone and calls someone informing them she needs to
Speaker 1: see them, and.
Speaker 2: She goes to see Janet, which this is my favorite
Speaker 2: scene of Janet in the entire season because she gives
Speaker 2: them gives her a couple slaps from betraying Man, and
Speaker 2: you love that for her character. She basically just says, like,
Speaker 2: I can still help you guys, like I can get
Speaker 2: in and get the antep to them without being caught,
Speaker 2: which is definitely a smart plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, when Janet returns to the office, Hank from
Speaker 1: the police priests and calls her to inform her that
Speaker 1: everyone on the force has been given orders to find Ben.
Speaker 1: Janet heads out as Silverman's men follow after her. Janet
Speaker 1: heads to Robbie's apartment and we learn that Ben is
Speaker 1: doing better, but his powers haven't returned, and Jenet informs
Speaker 1: Ben that about the meeting with Kat and her plan
Speaker 1: to inject Flint in Laden with the antidote. Ben believes
Speaker 1: Kat is telling the truth as she only wants to
Speaker 1: help Flint, but before they can take any action, Flint
Speaker 1: and Laden arrive to Robbie's apartment to collect Ben for Silverman.
Speaker 1: Robbie tries to sneak the antidote into Ben's coat pocket
Speaker 1: before they take him away, but Laden rushes him at
Speaker 1: out the door and before Ben can grab his coke.
Speaker 1: So gotta Leyden always out there to s career everyone over.
Speaker 2: I do like the smart, quick thinking of Robbie there
Speaker 2: to even.
Speaker 1: Try that that the Alcove. Silverman asks Ben to call
Speaker 1: his spider, call his spider friend, as he can't have
Speaker 1: him out there neutralizing his men with the antidote, and
Speaker 1: Ben says it's hard to speak with the Spider on
Speaker 1: the phone, but as he's unable to communicate well over
Speaker 1: the phone through his mask, Ben strikes a deal with
Speaker 1: Silvermain for cash and calls the Spider to tell him.
Speaker 1: Silvermain said that there are no hard feelings about the
Speaker 1: other day. He just wants to have a little chat.
Speaker 1: I like it al Silvermain's trying to tell him this,
Speaker 1: and it's as awkward and funny at the same time.
Speaker 2: It works, Like I said, if the back and forth,
Speaker 2: it all works because of Nicholas cage yep.
Speaker 1: Robbie is able to pull the bluff by pretending to
Speaker 1: be you know, by pretending to be this on the
Speaker 1: other line. So after the call and Ben and Kat
Speaker 1: chat after as a poor new drinks, she makes it
Speaker 1: clear that she could have told Silvermain he was the Spider,
Speaker 1: as he points out that he could have pointed out
Speaker 1: that she was the rat. In other words, they'll keep
Speaker 1: each other secret out of mutual assured destruction. And I
Speaker 1: think she's in worse trouble than he is.
Speaker 2: Oh Hunter samps, you can tell he has suspicions of
Speaker 2: her before Colony and Ben Yep.
Speaker 1: Leyden continues to piece together when he recognizes Ben as
Speaker 1: Silverman tries to dismiss the idea. That's when Leyden realizes
Speaker 1: that he recognized Ben as the men who saved him
Speaker 1: in Flint from the pow camp. Thiman quickly pieces together
Speaker 1: that Ben is a Spider, but Ben claims he saved
Speaker 1: the Spider's life in France. Thiverman takes Kat's concealed gun
Speaker 1: and says there's only one There's one innocent bind standing
Speaker 1: in this room that the Spider would not allow to die.
Speaker 1: He then says the only way he could be certain
Speaker 1: that Ben is Spider is by killing Cat. If he
Speaker 1: kills her, Ben is just a PI, but if he's
Speaker 1: a Spider, he'll stop it before he pulls the trigger.
Speaker 1: Kats Ben will never save her because she broke his heart,
Speaker 1: because she's in love with Flint and didn't care who
Speaker 1: she heard along the way. She's tired of hiding and
Speaker 1: offers up the rest of the truth. She admits to
Speaker 1: being the rat, as she only wanted to save Flint
Speaker 1: and she wanted to desperately kill Silvermin. Bam, all this
Speaker 1: different stuff going on at once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just drops it. She's not trying to save
Speaker 2: herself anymore. She just is like done being under Silveraine's thumb,
Speaker 2: branded for another for another minute. Yep. So what happens
Speaker 2: next straps Silvermain prepares a shoot cat Robbie. Robbie enters
Speaker 2: the room as the Spider, which again this made me
Speaker 2: laugh so much. Silvermain basically tries to get the Spider
Speaker 2: to work for him, and Ben asks the Spider to
Speaker 2: hand over the antidote Robbie as the Spider comes in
Speaker 2: a little too hot, like not really playing the subtle
Speaker 2: at all, and Ben basically is trying to tell him like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you got to keep keep talking here. My powers are
Speaker 2: back yet, but it's just not connecting unfortunately. And Silvermain
Speaker 2: men come in with Janet, who they found lurking outside
Speaker 2: and they got the antidote from her, So it's not
Speaker 2: looking good for our team here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Laden takes the antidote jabs in a Spider's
Speaker 1: neck to see if anything works, as Silverman then orders
Speaker 1: him to hand the nidote over Layden questions by Silverman
Speaker 1: is so set on getting his hand on the syringes
Speaker 1: now that the Spider is no longer a threat, noting
Speaker 1: that it's because Silverman clearly wants control over them. Lonnie
Speaker 1: threatens to smash the last two vials as Silverman orders
Speaker 1: Flint to take Laden down. Leyden and Flint begin to
Speaker 1: face off as the spider rises the pair. The pair
Speaker 1: pop propped the spider up on the table and unmask him,
Speaker 1: which is then which is when they find Robbie underneath
Speaker 1: mask realized that something was off. At that time, Ben's
Speaker 1: powers are finally returned. He is able to get the
Speaker 1: antidote and momentarily sideline Flint and Laden, but only temporarily
Speaker 1: so Robbie comes as Ben swims back as into spider costume,
Speaker 1: while Kat follows after Silverman, gun in hand. The battle
Speaker 1: spills out in the streets. Kat continues to fallow Silvermin
Speaker 1: and in the battle Leyden and Flint. One of the
Speaker 1: two remaining vitals breaks, leaving just one antidote left. Ben
Speaker 1: must muster up the courage to pull two cars together
Speaker 1: and smash Flint, who crumbles into a clump a pile
Speaker 1: of sand, which was a cool effect.
Speaker 2: I like that it was one of the better effects
Speaker 2: that we've seen this season. We'll get a little bit
Speaker 2: more of one towards the end here when the electricity
Speaker 2: and sand.
Speaker 1: Meat yep Kat follows Silverman into a mirror maze as
Speaker 1: she begins to open fire after finding waltering shots. She
Speaker 1: eventually comes to face face with him, has the opportunity
Speaker 1: to kill him, and it's at the opportunity she happily takes,
Speaker 1: ending Silverman's life in securing her freedom in the process.
Speaker 2: I love how he says, like, I'm to be honest,
Speaker 2: I'm glad it was you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Out in the street, the Spider is trying to reason
Speaker 1: with Layton, who is growing stronger. While he's focused on Leyden,
Speaker 1: Flint reforms into his solid solid form and attacks the
Speaker 1: Spider from behind, smashing his face into the car, ripping
Speaker 1: parts of his mask and Leyden then continues to shock
Speaker 1: the Spider and make it clear that he's waiting for
Speaker 1: the moment to get his time so he can prepare
Speaker 1: to kill the spider. Just when all hope is lost,
Speaker 1: Cat walks out on the street and shouts for Leyden
Speaker 1: to stop. She raises her gun and pulls the trigger,
Speaker 1: but the gun is out of bullets, and Laden hits
Speaker 1: her with a jolt electricity. Flint turns his attention to
Speaker 1: Laden and begins to fight him too, but he's no
Speaker 1: match for Leyden. Under Layden's attacks, Flint begins to crumble
Speaker 1: as his sand like form appears to go to glass
Speaker 1: and shatter. It looks as though Layton is going to
Speaker 1: kill Flint, but the spider is able to pull Laden
Speaker 1: off of him and throw him into the distance at
Speaker 1: end of the train as hits him and sending him
Speaker 1: and getting him killed in the process, which I think
Speaker 1: was a cool effect of how megawat was turning the
Speaker 1: sand into glass, which is basically like you know, lightning
Speaker 1: strikes on the beach, that's how you get kind of glass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like that too. I also love I also
Speaker 2: love how abrupt this was that he got thrown into
Speaker 2: the train like it was really I.
Speaker 1: Do we wind it at that point?
Speaker 2: You know that blink and you miss a type of thing? Yeah,
Speaker 2: dang okay, So.
Speaker 1: As Cat hold Flint's in her arms, Spider gives her
Speaker 1: the final antidote to give it and give give tim
Speaker 1: as a. Spider then heads out, So we jump ahead
Speaker 1: to the funeral Silvermin with Flint and Cat as the
Speaker 1: only attendees. Ben emerges and Flint thanks him for his help.
Speaker 1: Kat tells him she loves Flint, but in a different
Speaker 1: world he could have run away with each other. No
Speaker 1: need to say that, No needs to say that, typical,
Speaker 1: but Ben clues back then it's the one thing to
Speaker 1: you to use a guy, and another thing to keep
Speaker 1: him on the hook. After setting sail for the shore,
Speaker 1: and she tells him to go to hell and she
Speaker 1: and Flint leave. So good good job for Ben, saying.
Speaker 2: That I like stood up for himself a little bit there. Yep.
Speaker 1: We cut to the mayor celebrating his re election as
Speaker 1: Ben and Robbie enjoy a drink from the outside of
Speaker 1: Ben's office. Robbie mentions that he's going to run his
Speaker 1: own paper, The Harlem. Harold and Janet is getting a
Speaker 1: new office as Ben's official partner. As for Ben, well,
Speaker 1: even though he won't admit it, he's gotten a new
Speaker 1: lease on life, though he'll settle for a hot dog. Ben,
Speaker 1: Robbie Janet head out to grab a bite to eat,
Speaker 1: with our final shot being Ben walking out the door
Speaker 1: and using his web to grab the hat across the room.
Speaker 1: He then closes the door as the camera pans out
Speaker 1: to reveal the newly updated sign. Riley and Ruez private
Speaker 1: Investigators as the episode cuts to black.
Speaker 2: And I don't think we heard her hear her last
Speaker 2: name the entire season, So that's pretty cool to see
Speaker 2: that drop me in red at the very end. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, overall, I was pleasantly surprised about this series.
Speaker 1: You know, I the idea of it. Boo has not
Speaker 1: called Spider Man no r okay, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not in fails to the character. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's so being Sony. But then he casts Nicholas Cage
Speaker 1: in this. He does what he does best. He finds
Speaker 1: a kooky way his character that he got to voice,
Speaker 1: brings it to life on screen and he embodies this
Speaker 1: Ben Riley AKA more than like a Peter Parker. But
Speaker 1: I think this show was a nice, pleasant surprise. And
Speaker 1: I will say this interestingly enough, the two shows we've
Speaker 1: gotten from the three shows we've gotten from Marvel. This
Speaker 1: one and wonder Man have been the most pleasant surprises
Speaker 1: of ones that we did not necessarily see coming.
Speaker 2: This is my favorite show so far we've gotten this
Speaker 2: year for superheroes. So loving loved this thing, Chris. I
Speaker 2: was very pleasantly surprised myself. And the best thing for
Speaker 2: this is they can make more work. This does not
Speaker 2: seem to be a super expensive VFX thing. They do
Speaker 2: a lot of like investigating in that and yeah, I
Speaker 2: do think that this could definitely work because it's not
Speaker 2: person think cages, do any of the thoughts because or
Speaker 2: any to fighting anything like that because its a mask.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was good. So well, Will I recommend this to
Speaker 1: people to watch? Yes, I is a must watch. No,
Speaker 1: but in a world full of oh superhero fatigue, this
Speaker 1: is a breath of fresh air, just like I thought
Speaker 1: wonder Man, with a breath of fresh air, to do
Speaker 1: something unique, to take a character, to take a actor,
Speaker 1: and what I would highly encourage you all to listen
Speaker 1: to if you get a chance. The podcast The Daily
Speaker 1: from the New York Times. They have a segment they
Speaker 1: do occarently on the weekends called the interview look up
Speaker 1: the one by Nicholas Cage, and he does go into
Speaker 1: what appeal to him about doing TV and what he
Speaker 1: does as leading towards his character. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a good listen, but yeah, this is very much
Speaker 1: sticks to landing. Highly recommend it as a fun show
Speaker 1: as as a good palate cleanser for something a little different.
Speaker 1: If you're a fan of film noir, watch this. If
Speaker 1: you're fan of Spider Man, watch this. You get a
Speaker 1: great combination of the two, and maybe pick up a
Speaker 1: Spider Man no Our comic book. There's definitely a few
Speaker 1: of them out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that comes from the
Speaker 2: several Spider Now Our comic books that we have that
Speaker 2: you can call back to hear. And I want to
Speaker 2: give Lord and Miller some credit to because like this,
Speaker 2: the Marvel Sony Marvel's crap universe was terrible for the
Speaker 2: most part, Like Venom was one was okay for me anyway,
Speaker 2: just to see what everything they've touched spoder Man wise work,
Speaker 2: so like, I don't know why you wouldn't have them
Speaker 2: do everything. Yeah, and yeah, you got to open with
Speaker 2: across with the Spider Verse. You have a potent, like
Speaker 2: unlimited potential for spoder Man stories. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but all right, well, uh we bring it to
Speaker 1: a close and we will see But again, I hope
Speaker 1: this is the last series we get that is a
Speaker 1: full episode dropped for the year. You know, this is
Speaker 1: this has been This has been a lot for David
Speaker 1: and me and you Travis for joining in at this point.
Speaker 1: But uh, but yeah, so great give it a watch
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Speaker 1: right back and we are back, all right. So originally
Speaker 1: I didn't think we were going to be talking about
Speaker 1: anything but this, but we had this Sony State of
Speaker 1: Play come out, and we knew we were going to
Speaker 1: get some more information about the PS five Wolverine game.
Speaker 1: Well we got that and then some we got a
Speaker 1: gameplay trailer. So Travis and I are going to kind
Speaker 1: of watch this together. We both have seen it probably
Speaker 1: a number of times and kind of go through what Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm excited to see this again.
Speaker 1: It's been a little while and this is done by Insomniac,
Speaker 1: who did the Spider Man games and everything like that.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna pull up some something, Travis, do you
Speaker 1: want to kind of describe certain things as I pull
Speaker 1: some information up about the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're basically opening with Wolverine here, and yet,
Speaker 2: like I said, ever seeing the gameplay, I did see
Speaker 2: some people complain because this isn't like X Men Wolverine,
Speaker 2: but he's wearing the costume. But he does wear that
Speaker 2: costume and when he was with Alfa Flight at times,
Speaker 2: so just fake a rage. Of course, I'm really digging
Speaker 2: the mechanics here we see him. It's stealth and is
Speaker 2: very vicious. The attacks which you would hope to and
Speaker 2: expect for Wolfvinge is complete contract from Spider Man's fighting mechanics.
Speaker 2: And yeah, just I could not be more excited for
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love I love the look of the costume.
Speaker 1: They did such a good job capturing.
Speaker 2: The stealth here. The stealth kills and stuff is just
Speaker 2: it's and again it is right because of his claws
Speaker 2: and I'm so digging this. I can't wait to see uh,
Speaker 2: like this game in action. Like I'm assuming it's gonna
Speaker 2: be power ups for his clause and all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff as well.
Speaker 1: Possibly they haven't necessarily gone I would I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe his fighting abilities maybe, I don't, you know, that
Speaker 1: would kind of be a little kind.
Speaker 2: Of gadgets, right, he doesn't use gadgets.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't use gadgets. I mean, yes, when he
Speaker 1: was reborn he had fire claus, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they're going to do that for this. I think it's
Speaker 1: just going to be straight like fighting ability and like
Speaker 1: combo moves and things like that. But these are the
Speaker 1: Reavers comic precedent for this.
Speaker 2: So you know he's covered in blood here covered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So as as you're kind of watching it, a
Speaker 1: few things, well, I'll wait to kind of go into
Speaker 1: this after. But I mean, it just looks so good
Speaker 1: and this is definitely one that they spent the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's has has did quality with this, and
Speaker 1: we've seen kind of the Sony leaks with this, but man,
Speaker 1: it's just everything about this gets me so excited. And
Speaker 1: I've I've i've you know, I own a p S five,
Speaker 1: i own an Xbox on a switch, but I've been
Speaker 1: more leaning on handheld gaming, Like I've got a Legion
Speaker 1: go s that I have been most of my gaming
Speaker 1: now these days has done a handheld because I like
Speaker 1: my kids are hanging out watching and playing and playing
Speaker 1: just can be watching TV and things like that allows
Speaker 1: me just to hang out with them and play instead
Speaker 1: of going in a separate area. Oh yeah, this was
Speaker 1: a cool moment. We get the we get this purple
Speaker 1: thing of it, and it's we got Geen gray and
Speaker 1: he calls her red, so they do have some sort
Speaker 1: of you know history already. But yeah, I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: you know, the purple or pink kind of thing. I'm
Speaker 1: so used to Gene having kind of the blue kind
Speaker 1: of oro with her you know, power set. It's okay,
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not a you know, not deal break,
Speaker 1: not a deal breaker. But I was kind of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's a choice choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll think the same thing here. And yet did
Speaker 2: the shared gameplay mechanics here where you use her to
Speaker 2: fight is fantastic.
Speaker 1: And I like, as he's you know, fighting, you see
Speaker 1: the kind of bar going up like his kind of
Speaker 1: berserker rage building. But later on I'll try to point
Speaker 1: this out when you know, because they do point out
Speaker 1: like can Wolverine die, Yes, well he can die if
Speaker 1: his healing factor gets overloaded and or his heart dies.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we go in a little bit of berdzerker rage,
Speaker 1: but that rage can turn into if he's near death
Speaker 1: door it could heal him be used to kind of
Speaker 1: bring him back to life and heal him.
Speaker 2: You can also see here when he's injured and you
Speaker 2: watch him with an animation like this kill. His health
Speaker 2: buyer is constantly reviving because of the healing factor.
Speaker 1: And his suit is getting kind of a little bit decimated.
Speaker 1: And you'll see even later in a cinematic sequences like
Speaker 1: his skull as you know, is adamantium. You know, bones
Speaker 1: are getting revealed at points.
Speaker 2: Oh man, even the commost to Eleanor and again Assignac
Speaker 2: has built up so much goodwill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they do bring up I think at one
Speaker 1: point that somehow during healing his costume heels and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, we go nippicky on that one. Only
Speaker 1: in comics, but that maybe we'll be cleaned up in
Speaker 1: some finishing touches.
Speaker 2: But it's like the blood disappearing, I just disappear after
Speaker 2: he's covered blood. It doesn't explain why.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, yeah, what happened all
Speaker 1: the blood?
Speaker 2: And this is this is awesome too. I love this.
Speaker 2: I hope that this is more yourself driving too instead
Speaker 2: of oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's it definitely looks like when you get the
Speaker 1: bar up on there, but how much it didn't look
Speaker 1: like a quick drive. But man, love this even though
Speaker 1: the cinematics look great, but man, when you get to okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, this is where I think when we get
Speaker 1: to the kind of the mini boss that comes up
Speaker 1: ear least.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, we see him get quite a bit of
Speaker 2: damage at that point. Yeah, and yeah they love he's
Speaker 2: just traversing between car. It's great. It's this looks like
Speaker 2: another winner here.
Speaker 1: Christ They did say this is that it is not
Speaker 1: an open world. It is straight you know, linear at
Speaker 1: that point, because that's not what they wanted to do
Speaker 1: with the character. And that's fine. I don't think Wolverine
Speaker 1: it's not like Spider Man where you have to transverse
Speaker 1: the city at that point. Wolverine is kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, point Okay, So here's our kind of heavy
Speaker 1: and this is where we kind of see damage going
Speaker 1: to the extreme of how much he can take take
Speaker 1: to an extent.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and to say back to your earlier Wolverine's
Speaker 2: powers don't lend it to traverse in the city.
Speaker 1: So yeah. So there he's healing up. Yep, and in
Speaker 1: his suit somehow heels. I think they need to clean
Speaker 1: that up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can see here he uses what was
Speaker 2: his Berserker rage to heel too, so I assume you
Speaker 2: can use it for that, just like Spider Man. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's great here, Oh my god, taking so much damage.
Speaker 2: Let's file this, everyone says it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta put it in there. But the cinemacts are great,
Speaker 1: absolutely great.
Speaker 2: Looks like a movie. And I'm hoping I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: there's anything like when we see anything about what's happened
Speaker 2: with Spider Man in this maybe you may see something
Speaker 2: on TV or like. That would be my first thought.
Speaker 2: What I when Because it's made by the same people
Speaker 2: and hopefully in the same universe. Great, great, just great
Speaker 2: fights here, So this will be a Day one purchase
Speaker 2: for me for sure.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, the Rivers are, definitely, but they costant. Won't
Speaker 1: heal there? You know that's interesting. Yeah, we get Leech,
Speaker 1: he's rescuing some immune psych October for this Nope, September.
Speaker 1: September okay, and every single game is coming out in September.
Speaker 1: Everyone is standing out of the way.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we can get a couple of months in
Speaker 2: before GT.
Speaker 1: We get we get some more kind of looks at him,
Speaker 1: different versions. We get Omega Red, we get Mystique, Jean Gray, Sentinels, Deadpool, Sabertooth.
Speaker 2: I didn't who was that.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that was Sabertooth.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah he has different castion on Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: A little bit like well, a little bit like Logan.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so September fifteenth period are now so a
Speaker 1: couple of things with this. So the X Men do
Speaker 1: not exist in this universe at this point. Mutants live
Speaker 1: in hiding in most of the world don't know they exist.
Speaker 1: Logan is part of Team X, a group who saved
Speaker 1: mutants around the world. He has just left Team X
Speaker 1: so he has struck out on his own. There are
Speaker 1: different ways, like if you're you're not then the goal
Speaker 1: or there will be accessibility options. You could turn off
Speaker 1: the gore and guts. At that point, the stique Sabertooth,
Speaker 1: Jean Gray, Omega Red are in the game with more
Speaker 1: mutant characters under wraps. I believe Sabertooth is kind of
Speaker 1: an ally in this in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting that the X Men do not exist,
Speaker 1: with the idea possibly that maybe an X Men game
Speaker 1: is coming in later. They have said Spider Man is
Speaker 1: not in the game. No, they have not even acknowledged that.
Speaker 1: You know, again, I could see them doing a little
Speaker 1: hint of something, but I don't. This is one of
Speaker 1: those things. I get. It's cool that if they are
Speaker 1: in the same universe, but I don't need it to
Speaker 1: be in the same nose.
Speaker 2: The only thing I would think would be cool, like
Speaker 2: I don't need to see spar manshop or anything like
Speaker 2: if Logan is when he's wearing that caboy hat, if
Speaker 2: he's sitting at a bar first having a drink and
Speaker 2: then you see like crazy like just talking maybe what
Speaker 2: happened with Venom on the TV screen or something like
Speaker 2: the big TV. That is fine for me. That would
Speaker 2: be a cool little east rag. It doesn't do anything
Speaker 2: for anything. It's just like, oh, that's kind of cool thing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't affect a plot or anything, but it would
Speaker 2: be a neat little east RG that's all. Like, that
Speaker 2: would be the maximum I think you would need, Like
Speaker 2: you could do anyway and you don't need that or
Speaker 2: to make anything with the game. But yeah, this, I'm
Speaker 2: just so excited for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bears Layer's definitely getting a regular edition in physical media.
Speaker 1: Doesn't get the deluxe version upgraded to digital. Yep, you
Speaker 1: said you can, you know, non bloody version, that's not
Speaker 1: what he does best. And bears Layer is saying, you
Speaker 1: have the opportun to change clause part of the deluxe.
Speaker 1: So yeah. So there's been a lot of consternation about
Speaker 1: there's no collector edition, like they're saying, man, they're leaving
Speaker 1: money on the table with a cool statue or something
Speaker 1: like that. Here's the thing about that. I cannot tell
Speaker 1: you how many times, particularly with that the last Spider
Speaker 1: Man two, I have seen that collector's edition go on
Speaker 1: discount because they have so they produce so many of them,
Speaker 1: and it did not sell as much as they thought
Speaker 1: it was. So yes, the hardcore collective would love it,
Speaker 1: but I think they learned a lesson for that, and
Speaker 1: that's why there's not a big collector's addition for and there.
Speaker 1: The physical thing is just a The physical addition is
Speaker 1: just it is just the regular addition. You can go
Speaker 1: deluxe digital only, but if you get the standard, if
Speaker 1: you want to get the deluxe is just ten dollars
Speaker 1: and it's all cosmetics. It's costumes in different versions of
Speaker 1: the clause, but no power ups or anything like that
Speaker 1: with it necessarily, like major ones like the costume and
Speaker 1: the claws are all cosmetic as bears. Larry Yes McParland
Speaker 1: has a statue that you can get for it. I
Speaker 1: think it's like thirty five dollars. It's nice. I've debated
Speaker 1: it back and forth. It's affordable. It's like thirty five
Speaker 1: dollars US, so that's kind of nice.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I've always toyed around with ever maybe one day getting
Speaker 1: a hot toys, not going down the rabbit hole, but
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what hot toys. But I always
Speaker 1: worry that I think this is the hotel, isn't going
Speaker 1: to get and then go down the rabbit hole. But man,
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of dollars, Yeah, I I but that
Speaker 1: and tell you what. The one that's always tempted me
Speaker 1: every once in a while is that the Hugh Jackman
Speaker 1: Deluxe edition of it.
Speaker 2: So, oh your bears, You're not going to get any
Speaker 2: preferential treatment in Canada. Oh yeah, no, yeah for shipping,
Speaker 2: that's for certain. Uh yeah, I don't. I'm up to mine.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I really get turned off, like when we get
Speaker 2: like a regular edition, deluxe edition and in Collector's edition,
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're getting a bit too much, and especially
Speaker 2: most of the time it's just costumes or extra like
Speaker 2: a tracks, like it's not like so yeah, sometimes it's
Speaker 2: disappointing seeing that it's going to have a statute that's
Speaker 2: pretty cool. But I think I'm just going to click
Speaker 2: good standard version.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean that's that's what I'm going to
Speaker 1: get just to have it, and then pay the extra
Speaker 1: ten dollars just for the deluxe to have the different costumes.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what it you know, calling going
Speaker 1: to your side of the aisle of DC alligance. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been I've been loving Legacy of the Batman. One
Speaker 1: of the most upsetting things. And I'm not I'm a completionist.
Speaker 1: But what I don't Like, what's happened with that game
Speaker 1: is now you buying the lego sets in order to
Speaker 1: get the other figures, which if you don't get that,
Speaker 1: you cannot one hundred percent the game.
Speaker 2: That's terrible that you can't.
Speaker 1: There's no way to get it if you did not
Speaker 1: get like, if you don't have HBO, you don't get
Speaker 1: that costume. Therefore not one hundred percent of the game.
Speaker 1: Now what they did too kind of cool. The switch
Speaker 1: to version has finally been dated in September that is
Speaker 1: coming with its own exclusive figure, cool figure, cool minifig
Speaker 1: for for the costume. It is the Purple s NES
Speaker 1: version of Batman. Okay, so cool idea, But again another thing,
Speaker 1: if you do not get that deluxe dish, there is
Speaker 1: no way that you can one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent the game from any s the Purple one.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe it's the ans one, but yeah, so, but
Speaker 1: that's what I don't like when you do. I think
Speaker 1: it's cool if you get to unlock it, but don't
Speaker 1: make it part of like in order to one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: because that's just like each one of those I mean,
Speaker 1: our buddies got got it because he's huge Batman. No
Speaker 1: judgment or anything like that. But each one of those
Speaker 1: things cost around thirty dollars each. So now if there
Speaker 1: are three or four of them, do your math, that's
Speaker 1: you know, ninety dollars to one hundred and twenty dollars
Speaker 1: at that point for that on top of a seventy
Speaker 1: dollars seventy eighty dollars game for the Deluxe edition. You know,
Speaker 1: at that point it's like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that shit.
Speaker 1: Like again, I'm fine with you doing it, but don't
Speaker 1: put it as preventing people from one hundred percent of
Speaker 1: the game. That's how you just tick people off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the Riddler trophies were bad enough, but.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah you get those two, but they're they're not fun.
Speaker 1: I'm loving that game with a passion. I'm slow. I'm
Speaker 1: just taking my time with it. I don't care if
Speaker 1: it takes me a couple of months to get through.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 2: Was nice to slope burn, just pick at it.
Speaker 1: I don't have time to do back and forth.
Speaker 2: Myself and Joe joke about is going to take us
Speaker 2: two months before we even review it on DC Alliance
Speaker 2: because we're not going to finish it. We don't have
Speaker 2: the time to sit there and play it through the
Speaker 2: whole thing, and it's just really enjoyable just to sit
Speaker 2: there an hour every couple of days. Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: It's great doing on a handheld, like I prefer playing
Speaker 1: it on handheld because it's so it's I just like
Speaker 1: to sit down and doing that. I'm going back and
Speaker 1: forth between that and First Light.
Speaker 2: I couldn't wait for the switch. I couldn't wait that long.
Speaker 2: I probably will get anything and switch.
Speaker 1: So but but I got it on digital for my
Speaker 1: Legion GOS so I've got it on that handheld. So
Speaker 1: it's nice. So you're winning, but yeah, I know yet
Speaker 1: But all right, well we're both day one getting this,
Speaker 1: so it's going to be a great time for the fall,
Speaker 1: you know, between getting that and then following up with
Speaker 1: the GT Man. I'm set for games for the rest
Speaker 1: of it for a while.
Speaker 2: But I wonder, like, because a lot of times with PlayStations,
Speaker 2: the games go on sale on Christmas, I wonder what
Speaker 2: I wait for GTA for that point, or do I
Speaker 2: They're not going to put that on sale.
Speaker 1: That's not going to go on because that comes out
Speaker 1: at the holidays. That's not going on sale for it.
Speaker 1: That will typically go on sale. That's gonna be about
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 2: I bought the Guardians game and then like a week
Speaker 2: later it went on sale basically like for like pennies
Speaker 2: on the dollar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we could say the same thing about Wolverine.
Speaker 1: Probably we'll get a discount around the holiday as a
Speaker 1: little bitsiness is September. I could see that getting like
Speaker 1: a ten dollars discount or being discount at that point.
Speaker 1: You could say the same thing about Legacy as the Batman,
Speaker 1: And I'm okay paying full price for something I want
Speaker 1: to enjoy now knowing that because again I'm getting enjoyment
Speaker 1: out of it. I'm an adult and I'm making decisions
Speaker 1: through how to spend my money at that point, could
Speaker 1: I wait, Yes, And I would suggest if you don't
Speaker 1: have the money now it's going to be there, wait
Speaker 1: for it. Do with your own budget. Don't go for Foma.
Speaker 1: I didn't buy for Foma. I just wanted because I
Speaker 1: wanted to play it then.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, And again the same thing with Wolverine.
Speaker 2: I'm going to buy it exactly when it comes out,
Speaker 2: but like I'm thinking, I'm depending on how much time
Speaker 2: I get to beat Wolverine. Like it might take a while.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll wait and then just put GTA.
Speaker 1: Particularly that I gotta go downstairs and now play it
Speaker 1: at that point away from my family things like that.
Speaker 1: So I got to like kind of balance that out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you definitely dodgeable at Bear's Layer with the
Speaker 1: Avengers game, that was one of the same biggest regret
Speaker 1: purchases ever. I enjoyed Travis, Travis and Brent for a
Speaker 1: number of weeks, but it just did.
Speaker 2: Not I did the exact same thing as him. I
Speaker 2: pre ordered it and then I cancel it after trying demo.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So but all right, so we're gonna take our
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Speaker 1: us get into feedback. We had one thing from JK
Speaker 1: Green over over on Threads. I believe I grabbed this
Speaker 1: or a Blue Sky I can't remember which one. I
Speaker 1: think it was Threads. Will there be a reference to
Speaker 1: Sony Spider Man in the Wolverine games. Hell, we kind
Speaker 1: of talked about that. Hm, I think there's a non
Speaker 1: zero chance that happens. I think there is a chance,
Speaker 1: but I can also see them not doing it. But
Speaker 1: if there is a reference, I want to see it's
Speaker 1: one of those like on a newspaper or a poster
Speaker 1: or something like. It's not it is just there. There
Speaker 1: is not going to be any named mentioned of it.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's gonna be anything in the story,
Speaker 2: but I think it'll be like a hidden Easter egg
Speaker 2: somewhere that either has like a spotty symbol or something
Speaker 2: to reference the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, so let me pull up factor fictions. Actually, Trevs,
Speaker 1: can you do me a favor and pull factor fictions.
Speaker 1: I get a step wave just for a second past week, yeah,
Speaker 1: past week. Yeah, if you can go into Marvel lines
Speaker 1: real quick. Yeah, I've got to step away, be right back.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get the because this will be new to
Speaker 2: me too, listeners as I don't know the Okay, let's
Speaker 2: spell name got him here? Okay, so the first one
Speaker 2: Spider now Ira will lead to a different live action
Speaker 2: Spider Man variant character being greenlit. There are one hundred
Speaker 2: percent fiction and zero percent fact on that one. Number two,
Speaker 2: Brad Winderbaum will succeed Kevin Foggy when he retired from
Speaker 2: Marvel Studios. One hundred percent fact on that one, zero
Speaker 2: percent fiction, one hundred percent and zero for everyone. The
Speaker 2: third one on sought will be a major villain in
Speaker 2: the future season of X Men ninety seven. Hundred percent
Speaker 2: said yes, zero percent step of fact fiction. I would
Speaker 2: one hundred percent agree with that one as well, because
Speaker 2: you basically got a little tease of it in X
Speaker 2: Men ninety seven first season. So agree with all three
Speaker 2: of these. To be honest with you, I disagree with
Speaker 2: the fiction on the first one.
Speaker 1: What was the first one you read?
Speaker 2: Spider Man Noir will lead to a different live action
Speaker 2: Spider Man variant character being green Lip President.
Speaker 1: I'll be very curious to see what they end up
Speaker 1: doing with it. So all right, you being guessed as
Speaker 1: always what you got for factor fictions?
Speaker 2: Well, I can delete one because it's basically been asked.
Speaker 2: So I got a couple other ones here. There will
Speaker 2: be a second season of Spider Man no Iir?
Speaker 1: Okay, I say yes, there will be.
Speaker 2: There will be a live action Miles Morales, Sony spider Man.
Speaker 1: You got to say your factor fiction. Oh sorry, I
Speaker 1: said fact.
Speaker 2: That's in fact fact. There will be a live action
Speaker 2: Miles Morales Sony spoder Man film in the next five years.
Speaker 1: I say, won't be Sony, It'll be mcuh.
Speaker 2: And then spoder Man Brand New Day will make at
Speaker 2: least a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: So you're taking the idea that I because I put
Speaker 1: out there as our year or predictions for the year.
Speaker 1: I said, there's only going to be one billion dollar movie.
Speaker 1: So you if you were the betting man, you'd say'd
Speaker 1: be spider Man, not Avengers.
Speaker 2: No both, Oh yeah, you're old. They're getting to spotder
Speaker 2: Man is just I think a guarantee.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you think it's gonna be both?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't think Avengers Avengers name.
Speaker 1: Don't think Dune's gonna take it away? No Imax screens, no, no, don't.
Speaker 2: People are forgetting what people I think people are forgetting
Speaker 2: a little bit what kind of event. The Avengers film,
Speaker 2: especially with high star awards, underperformed and stuff, and even
Speaker 2: Superman to an extent didn't perform. Like Avengers are going
Speaker 2: to knock it and say thing with Spoder Man, I
Speaker 2: have no I.
Speaker 1: Want it to happen, but again I think that I
Speaker 1: think there's a world where Spider Man does does get
Speaker 1: the billion, and Avengers doesn't. I think there is a
Speaker 1: world where that happens.
Speaker 2: I think, I know, I'm pretty confident in both, but
Speaker 2: for sure happen in Spider Man. Spider Man is definitely
Speaker 2: taking there. And the other one I had that you
Speaker 2: already are basically used was Sony will make more Spoder
Speaker 2: Spoder projects based on characters from the Spider Versus animated films.
Speaker 2: But we basically said that the previous week.
Speaker 1: Gotcha all right, Well, I will post those Sunday afternoons
Speaker 1: that your voice to be heard. With that, as we said,
Speaker 1: we're pausing combook Club for two weeks. One obviously David's
Speaker 1: not here, and next week we go for the three
Speaker 1: hund of that episode that's already been pre recorded.
Speaker 2: You know we'll do that.
Speaker 1: But next the following week, we will officially conclude the
Speaker 1: Age of Alterne with Age of Altron ten point a.
Speaker 1: So we will conclude that and then may take a
Speaker 1: little break from compic Club as David and I figure
Speaker 1: out what the next one is of which comic book
Speaker 1: arc based on movie we're going to tackle next. So
Speaker 1: but as always, mister Hines, thank you for joining us
Speaker 1: this week and taking a look at the conclusion of
Speaker 1: Spider Noir and this. As David said, you've now two
Speaker 1: guest hosting if you've had content so and David put
Speaker 1: out there saying, looks like the curse has been broken.
Speaker 1: I say the next time you come on, he jinks too.
Speaker 2: Just remember I might I might have to say no
Speaker 2: a couple of times and then just insert myself when
Speaker 2: they yes, I'm making sure the curse is bro.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell I'll tell you right now if if
Speaker 1: when I go on vacation, that is definitely at the
Speaker 1: beginning of X Men ninety seven, so your your streak
Speaker 1: can continue on at that point.
Speaker 2: If he comes calling, Yeah, I lags not the Candiday
Speaker 2: Long weekend. I will be pretty open most of the summer.
Speaker 2: It is not.
Speaker 1: It would be the next week nice But all right,
Speaker 1: Well tell people they can follow you and plug your shows.
Speaker 2: You can follow me on Twitter at Travis Underscore one five.
Speaker 2: You can drop me a line. We can have it
Speaker 2: pretty much anything. I also host two shows on the
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Speaker 2: everything DC and also the Animation Nation where we covered Avengers,
Speaker 2: Earth's Money as Heroes last year, I think. And so
Speaker 2: patrons you want to hear my top thoughts on that,
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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, all right?
Speaker 1: Postcards discussion tonight, Travis, What you got for me?
Speaker 2: Got a couple, But I'm thinking we'll go with where
Speaker 2: do Sony go from here? After Spoderman? No our? Okay?
Speaker 1: Where do you think? Where do you think they should go?
Speaker 1: Where would I and don't be Sony be actually smarter
Speaker 1: than Sony.
Speaker 2: I would hand the keys over to Lord Miller immediately
Speaker 2: and be like, navigate, give us a plan of what
Speaker 2: we should do with spoder Man property, and can you
Speaker 2: come up with a story connecting a few different properties together.
Speaker 2: That would be my first thing because everything they've done
Speaker 2: with the Spoderman, the two animated films and now this
Speaker 2: has been fair fantastic, and the whole Venom verse was
Speaker 2: just a terrible It just snowballed into awful B rated movies.
Speaker 2: So if they don't do it, I feel like they're
Speaker 2: going to lose this. I'd like that Sony has it
Speaker 2: because I don't think we get this. I think there's
Speaker 2: too many things Marvel it would have to MCU would
Speaker 2: want to do their take on before we'd even get
Speaker 2: to this. So the fact that Sony has this but
Speaker 2: they still have to deal with the MCU is the
Speaker 2: best of both worlds right now. I've had You can
Speaker 2: get these offshoot content, but not You just got to
Speaker 2: make good selections because nobody's coming out if you keep
Speaker 2: making these like Morbius and what's a Guy? Craven and
Speaker 2: Madam Webb, Oh my god, like somebody's have been so awful.
Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, I don't know where they go now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think where where they go with their non
Speaker 1: Spider Man I think I think they're going to lean into,
Speaker 1: you know, their partnership with Marvel and kind of do
Speaker 1: these do kind of this with Spider Noir. I could
Speaker 1: see them, as we said, like picking another one or
Speaker 1: I know it's more money if they do live action,
Speaker 1: but like kind of an ethology Spider Verse series live
Speaker 1: action with kind of exploring different like maybe do arcs
Speaker 1: of like hey, you got a three episode ark A
Speaker 1: Spider Punk live action, you got three episode Spider Gwen
Speaker 1: things like that, and you kind of see where you know,
Speaker 1: the audience gravitates towards it, maybe continue on and kind
Speaker 1: of build towards that, But don't you do one episode
Speaker 1: do like three episode arcs delving into different Spider Verse characters,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a cool kind of anthology series.
Speaker 2: I like that idea because it gives you the option
Speaker 2: then if any of these hit, you can make a
Speaker 2: full season about them, rather than just like rolling ice
Speaker 2: on Spodern No Wire because he looks cool and two
Speaker 2: animated films, you can test the ground and then like
Speaker 2: make something like that. And I do think of live
Speaker 2: action Miles Morales should be something they should be planning
Speaker 2: because you have the opportunity to use spoder Man and
Speaker 2: still have Spider Man in the MCU.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why I say that it's going to
Speaker 1: be in the MCU first is because Kevin Figy was
Speaker 1: kind of asked about that and last time he did
Speaker 1: say that it's been basically, Miles's live action debut is
Speaker 1: being paused until the final Spider Verse movie releases, so
Speaker 1: they're going to be staying away from it until that happens.
Speaker 1: After that, I would I would say you're a couple
Speaker 1: of years away from bringing Miles into the live action verse.
Speaker 2: You could possibly bring him in to the second Spider
Speaker 2: Man film as a character and have spot Todd Holland
Speaker 2: be able to like hand the batime. Well that's third
Speaker 2: of the trilogy.
Speaker 1: But I think in the sense of, yeah, you could,
Speaker 1: you could hit the baton. But I think again, I
Speaker 1: think they're going to stay away from anything Miles costume
Speaker 1: not costumed until Spider Verse comes out. I think that's
Speaker 1: the gentleman's agreement right now that Figy was eluding, and.
Speaker 2: That could still work because I do think spoti Verse
Speaker 2: will come out before another spot man oh yil after
Speaker 2: this one, So I do think you could do that
Speaker 2: and plan it there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, but all right, well, we will see you
Speaker 1: not live next week for our three hundredth episode. Again,
Speaker 1: thanking everyone for being a part of our journey into
Speaker 1: this and hope you enjoy the fun that we had
Speaker 1: recording this episode. It will come off a little bit
Speaker 1: like have you done this before? Not in this way,
Speaker 1: and the discussions have are quite funny and lively, so enjoyed, folks.
Speaker 1: Happy three hundred everyone, and we'll see we'll see you
Speaker 1: live in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: All right, take care, congrats on three hundred.
Speaker 1: Thank you,