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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Lee All Eighties Movies podcast podcast

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where we talk about the blacklisters, the flops, and everything

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in between from one of the freshest.

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Speaker 2: Decades from movies from nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Bill Banton Long m me on this

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journey revisiting eighties movies. Is my co host Jason massk.

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Speaker 2: What do you want, Jason, Bill, I want you to

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stop me.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Listeners, we are discussing with spoilers of plenty,

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the nineteen eighty six cult thriller The Hitch Error. It

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was produced by HBO Pictures and Silver Screen Partners and

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distributed by TriStar Pictures. The movie stars Steve Thomas, Hall,

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Rucker Howard, and Jennifer Jason Lee. Directed by Robert Harmon,

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This movie is rated R with the running time of

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one hour and thirty seven minutes. So what is this

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movie about? What's on the box? If you grew up

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in the nineteen eighties and what's your local video store

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to rend this movie? You would find this description on

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the back of the VHS box. It is what's in

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the box? Take it away, Jason.

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Speaker 3: It's a dark, rainy night. As young Jim Halsey drives

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along an endless stretch of desert highway. Up ahead looms

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a figure on the road, a hitcher. Jim stops for

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the stranger at once, he regrets his action. The man

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with the transparent eyes and menacing smile is soon holding

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a knife to Jim's throat. The hitcher then tells Jim

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to pass a car on the side of the road.

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The passengers are already dead.

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Speaker 2: The hitcher has killed them.

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Speaker 3: Jim is finally able to shove the hitcher out of

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the car door and is relieved that the terrifying situation

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is over. Some hours later, a car passes with three

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little kids in the back seat. The hitcher is smiling

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through the rear window. The journey into real terror has

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just begun for Jim Halsey, an unending nightmare, filled with

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one horror scene after another as the deranged hitcher continues

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on his slaughteris rampage quote the hitcher will leave you

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so frightened you won't want to stop.

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Speaker 2: For the next red light. The New York Post the Hitcher.

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Speaker 1: So that was what's in the box. I was getting

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a little nervous. I was gonna recap the whole movie

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for us, it was another one of those we don't

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need to do the podcast or Jason's gonna read off

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the whole movie.

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Speaker 3: Hey, this is great for those listeners for some reason

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that have not seen this movie and decided to listen

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to this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Just be like, what is the Hitcher all about?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just read the back of the box, the VHS box,

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and there you go.

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Speaker 2: All there for you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jason, do you remember when you first saw The Hitcher?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: I was a kid and this was definitely a cable

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watch for me. I should I say kid, because that's

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how I think of myself Ethan as a teenager. I

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was in my early to mid teens, and it was HBO.

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It was a repeat cable watch in the late eighties,

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and this movie simply, I'd go as far as to

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say it absorbed me. I mean, this was a time

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when hitchhiking was still very much a thing. And I

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don't know how many ways to say this, but it

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captured me and it frightened me. For myself, I'll always

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remember two to three iconic horror thriller scenes, and I'll

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wait to describe any of those because I'm sure we'll

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touch upon them later. But I have to say, Bill Band,

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I had a little bit of a Mendela effect where

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I thought there was more graphic violence in the opening,

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like I just remembered this like first twenty minutes of

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the movie very differently. But I've always been a fan

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of the film, so I was looking forward to this

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podcast and covering it, and I just want to tell

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our audience, I have been pushing Bill Bant time and

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time again to watch this movie and record this podcast.

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So I thank you, Bill Band, Thank you for doing

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this at long last.

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Speaker 1: It only took four seasons. Sorry about that.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to apologize. There's a lot of movies

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in the eighties to get to, so we finally got

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to this one. What are you?

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Speaker 2: What are your memories? Man? What was your experience in

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seeing this the first time? Audience?

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Speaker 1: This is a rarity for the podcast because usually when

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we do cover movies, it's either Jason and I have

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both seen the movie, Jason and I have not seen

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the movie. I have seen the movie and Jason has not.

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It's very rare when we have Jason has seen the

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movie and Bill is not.

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Speaker 2: And this might be.

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Speaker 1: We're over one hundred and seventy episodes, and this might

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only be the second time this has happened where Jason

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has seen the movie and I have not. So Yes,

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my first experiences this past week amazing. We've seen bits

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and pieces, but never from opening credits to end credit.

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what are impressions of the Hitcher and Jason. I'm going

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to start because as we established, you've been clamoring to

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do this movie for as long as we've been doing.

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Speaker 2: This podcast, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And I finally got to watch it, and I did

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not enjoy this movie at all. The first three times

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I tried to watch it, I fell asleep. Fourth time

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I'm gonna do my notes because usually I just watch

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it once for enjoyment, second time to really analyze it.

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And then the third time i'm doing my notes, I'm like,

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I'm done. And I thought this this movie really as

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bad as I'm thinking. And I go online and everyone

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loves this movie. Hell yeah they do. So this is

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what I'm asking you, Jason. What am I missing? I

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don't understand why I don't like this movie. It didn't

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do anything for me. This is two minutes shorter than

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the last movie we covered, Rocky three, and it felt

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five times as long. I don't get it, and I'd

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like everyone in this movie. I'm fans of c Thomas, Hall,

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record Hower, Jennifer, Jason Lee. I just wanted it to end.

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I was done. My god, damn. I mean we all

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have that, we all have that one movie that everyone likes,

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and there's that one person like, Nope, don't like it.

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Speaker 2: I think this is me with the hitcher. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Try to sell me on this and I'll just explain

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why it just didn't do it for me, and then

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maybe there's something I'm missing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, Well this will be an

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interesting undertaking here. I am surprised. I'm surprised, but I'm

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gonna make some admissions upon this rewatch. I had some

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similar feelings, of course, not that is definitely not my

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overall take. And I think what you missed, Bill is

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by stating that you did not care for this movie,

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is that we are no longer friends.

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Speaker 2: As a result.

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Speaker 3: This could be our last show, right, This could be

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the end of the All Eighties Movies Podcast. No, we're

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not even close to being done with this dang podcast.

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Let me just start, maybe with my first impressions upon

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the rewatch, and you'll see where I agree and disagree.

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I have to tell you, man, I have nostalgic attachments

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to this and I am biased because of how it

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scared the living Bejesus out of me as a teenager,

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and obviously it stayed with me. I believe we had

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a mini episode about scenes that scared us the most,

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and I believe i'd listed a very important scene from

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this film, which we will cover.

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Speaker 2: A little bit later. This movie.

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Speaker 3: Upon watching it again as an adult, and Bill, I

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didn't realized that I have not seen this for years,

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but this movie still grips me. I mean, I don't

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know how many different ways to use different descriptors, but

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I find this film extremely upsetting. Does it work for

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me one hundred percent today? No? Bill, You're right, this

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film is slow. There are moments when I appreciate the

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methodical nature of it, and then there are scenes which

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just get stuck in mud. Does it still work for

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me as a psychological thriller? It absolutely does. And there

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are three reasons, and maybe I'll try to sell you

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on these reasons as we go through our recording here.

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And number one is Rutger Hauer. Number two is music

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composer Mark Isham, and for me, number three was the

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director of photography, John Seal. Those three elements put together

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completely immerse me into this dark vibe as I'm calling it.

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This movie is seriously a dark hang. It is a

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dark vibe. It is a fever dream film you watch

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on a sick day and you can become engrossed by it.

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this first thing in the morning, all caffeinated, or last

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thing before going to bed, like as you mentioned, you

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fell asleep three times, it's a tough set. It's a

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tough hang because I mean, I was thinking, Wow, I

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appreciate its simplicity, but maybe this movie is a little

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simple to a fault. And I think my two major complaints,

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and I am going to step on my complaints right now,

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would be that there's a pacing issue, and then there's

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a little bit of a suspension of disbelief issue. For me,

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the movie has some conveniences. There's a lot with finding

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gas stations, and diners and things that happen. There's a

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police car chase that is great for the first half

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of but way over the top for the second half,

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and it falters a little bit as the film progresses

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as far as how much I buy into the conceit

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of this film, But man, when I got to the

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end of it, and I agree, it's under forty minutes,

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and I was still like, wow, this does feel like

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a lot longer than that. But I was still in it.

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I was still in it. And as the What's on

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the Box Knopsis said, rucker Houer is so menacing you

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can't keep your eyes off him. It feels like he'll

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do the opposite of whatever you think he'll do. It's

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as if he's the joker, you know, a serial killer, stalker, hitchhiker.

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connect what I got into and maybe would I'll try

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to see tell you a little bit on here, Bill Banners.

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The connection that ultimately develops between the characters of Jim

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Halsey played by c Thomas Howell and the evil, the

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pure evil, John Ryder played by Rutger Hower. How they

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actually do have a relationship.

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Speaker 3: There's no question there's a relationship, and there is an arc,

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and you can see the connection at the end through

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my eyes at least. But again, here's he might be

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a hot takes. And I adore this movie and I'll

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I'm a sucker for it, and I'll talk about it

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till I'm blue in the face.

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Speaker 2: But here's a hot take.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe this could have even worked better as

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a thirty to forty minutes short.

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Speaker 1: Probably I think I would agree with that. I think

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it just goes a little too long. And there's one

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word that you said that I think makes a lot

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of sense about this movie. And I'm not describing how

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I feel about the movie, but this is a tone

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of the movie.

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Speaker 2: It's dreadful.

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Speaker 1: There are no light parts in this film whatsoever, and

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it just pounds you and pounds on you and pounds

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Speaker 2: You even think.

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Speaker 1: About just general slashing movies, Friday thirteenth or Psycho, there's

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some kind of light moments in it at some point,

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and this one there's nothing.

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Speaker 3: Fun that happened, nothing redeeming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that just weighed on me, and

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I was like, I think I missed the window of

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when I should have watched this movie. Maybe if I

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had watched this in my twenties or my teens, I

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would appreciate it more. But now I'm like, I don't

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need this. I don't need all this just one bad

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thing after another happening to this poor kid, which we

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never understand. Why not that we need to know? I mean,

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this happens is decided. All the time bad things happen,

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people ask why, why?

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Speaker 2: Why? And we never know? Right?

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why is he doing this? I don't know? And that's

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that was driving me crazy too. Why did you let

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him survive when you just end up killing someone else

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in the car and then killing the next people you

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got in the car? What was it about Jim that

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: We don't find that out. There's just too many unanswered

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questions that drive me up the wall with this film

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that it bothered me. It bothered me, and that's why

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I couldn't connect to it.

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Speaker 3: And I like the fact that you use the word

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dreadfil there is a sense of dread the entire film.

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This movie will weigh you down. It's like wearing a

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weight belt underwater. You're going to sink to the bottom

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and that's where you're going to stay while watching this movie.

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There's no question about it. Now, let's just talk about

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it the why of it, because I think that's what

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an adult, and Rucker Howerd has said this as much

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in interviews talking about his character. I don't think this

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needs to be overthought. Is he is the personification of evil.

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You can call him the devil. He is a demon.

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He appears from nowhere at random times. Why did he

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choose Jim Halsey. I think, for my take is that

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he saw something in Jim that he saw in himself

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deep down. And the fact is whether John Ryder, the

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personification of evil, recognizes that he is a complete psychopath

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or not. He is a cat, you know, playing with

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a ball of yarn. He's just playing with his food

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the entire time, his food being Jim Halsey, and toying

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with him but never killing him, and putting him in

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the most dire situations only to test him and have

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fun with him up to a certain point where he

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is looking to die. That is John Ryder. He has

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a death wish and he wants and he has chosen

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Jim to be the harbinger of doom, his harbinger to

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kill him in the end. He wants Jim to kill him,

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and he says as much. And I'd never really caught that,

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did now where it really could be viewed as simple

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as that on the surface that he wants to die.

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He's so psyched he can have there's no more fun

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for him to be had. He's killed so many people

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in so many different ways, maybe gotten tired of it

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and wants to have one final game with this team

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whom he came upon and just saw something in him.

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that Jim himself as a teen. How old do you

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think Jim Halsey played by see Thomas Hall is supposed

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to be in this because he uh, he.

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Speaker 1: Was actually seventeen when they filmed it, right, so I'm

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thinking twenty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking as much as well. He just

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doesn't look much older than that, if at all, right,

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And John Ryder basically drives Jim Halsey to the brink.

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He drives him mad where to the point where the

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darkness comes out of Jim Hals and he becomes the

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killer in the end, he knows what he exactly what

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he has to do. He has to murder John right.

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There is no other way, and a Rider recognizes that

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in Halsey, and there's some interesting moves there in the

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finale that I really appreciated. But yeah, that's my take.

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Speaker 1: Man, At least you had some sort of explanation of

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why Rider wants to die. He's just tired of doing

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what he's doing, because I couldn't answer that question, like

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why did you pick Jim to kill you? Or why

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are you trying to pass the mantle to Jim, Because

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what you're really doing is just pushing Jim to the brink.

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He's killing because he's got to defend himself. He's not

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going to make him a killer because he kills you.

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It's killing because you have no other option. You're pushed

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to that limit, and a lot of people would probably

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do the same thing if your life or his, You're

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going to do what you can to stay alive. I

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just couldn't figure out why Rider had picked Jim to

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kill him It's like, what do you see in this

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scrawny little kid that he's going to be able to

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outsmart out with or kill you. I didn't see it,

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and I.

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Speaker 3: Think that's what bothered me too, no question about it.

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I think I'll be honest with you. Because of my

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attachment to this, I read into it a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: I read into it a little bit, but at least

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it's helping me try to understand it a little bit more.

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I think he really brings the darkness out of Halsey.

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he has no choice. But at the end when he's

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with the Captain Jeffrey de Munn, love that guy, love

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seeing him in this, and then takes his gun from

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him and it's like, I'm sorry, I have to do this.

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It's like, oh, he's made a turn there. It seems

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that's the way I looked at it. But I like

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to look at it as if John Ryder is passing

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along the darkness to someone else. But I think that

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is reading into it a little self admittedly say that

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it might be reading into it and this movie is

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just simply a twisted tail. He's a pure evil and

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that's all there is to it. There's no rhyme or

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reason to it. And that's what's supposed to be so

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freaking scary about it. And that's what really frightened me

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as a teenager, was like, he's just gonna keep coming

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after him. You can't escape this evil, and that's all

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there is to it.

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Speaker 1: I saw that scene more as Jim knw that it's

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never going to end unless he dies, and he's the

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only one to understand that, so we had to kill him.

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But I didn't think he was taking a dark turn.

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It's more of the realization, like this is what I

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gotta do. I'm going to save hundreds of people by

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killing this man, and consequences be damned at this point.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 3: Think you were one thousand percent correct in saying that.

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I will just say that regardless of whether he had

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to do it or the darkness took over at one

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point where he made the conscious choice to do it,

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He'll be changed forever from that point on.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be traumatized after that. But I don't

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think he's going to become a killer.

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Speaker 3: That's a great point. Yeah, I was about to say

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that too. Doesn't mean, he's going to turn into a

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new version of John Ryder.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I understand your frustrations. I think watching this and I

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hear your frustrations with it. I look back upon it,

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I make a conscious choice to be kind of swept

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away by it. The way that this film is shot,

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and I do appreciate some of the methodical nature of it.

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In moments that's when I get swept up in it.

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But I'll admit I paused a few times to see

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what the where I was in the timeline there, to

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see how much time was left. There's no question it's

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it's a long hour and thirty seven minutes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just just one bad thing after another. I

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do like the setting, the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about that for a second. I was

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going to ask you what movies did this make you

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think of when you saw it.

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Speaker 2: For the first time. Of course, Tesslate Road, but no

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one else. Thanks, That's what I wrote down. That was

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number one.

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Speaker 3: So Bill Bant, Marwan Abdurazak, myself, Waterwell Pictures. We did

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a short film entitled Desolate Road back in twenty.

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Speaker 2: Twelve, if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we had a blast shooting that and that

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was an endeavor and a labor of love and all

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these things came out great. We're proud of that film,

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of course, But yeah, that made me think of Desolate Road.

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It made me think of Breakdown. I love that film.

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I love doing that film with Kurt Russell, who's the

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back JT. J. T. Walsh, Thank you very much, rip

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and a duel of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And then joy Ride that was, oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. So there's a lot of

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them out there, huh. It is a great setting for thriller.

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That was the interesting thing. And I'll step on one

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of my complaints here's it's one of those feels like

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you got nowhere to go, right and you're lost.

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Speaker 2: You're screwed.

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Speaker 3: If you get stuck out there in the middle of nowhere,

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you're pretty much dead and that's it. There's nowhere to hide.

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Although in this film, for some reason, whenever see Thomas

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Howell runs into the desert, there's just another gas station

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over the hill, which is.

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Speaker 2: Really frank for him.

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Speaker 1: I know, every time he kept running the desert, I'm like, dude,

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it's like, well, how do you still going to die?

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Speaker 3: Like why are you stop running? Into the desert. Man,

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it's crracking me up. I'm like, why is that your

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first go to? Yeah, stay on the road man, Hey,

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what did you think of see Thomas Howell in this?

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Speaker 1: I did like I felt like most of his reactions

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to what was going on was genuine. He wasn't doing

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your typical slash or horror to make mistakes that advanced

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the plot because he's always trying to get away, but

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every time he thinks he gets to similar safe, surprise, surprise,

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there's Rider.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: He calls the police and tries to wait for him.

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Here comes Rider. So I never thought he was doing anything.

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I'm like, oh, what an idiot outside of letting a

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hitchhiker in your car. I always thought he was trying

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to do the right thing in order to move the

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story forward. So I did appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was extremely capable in this, and

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I wrote that down as well as like, first of all,

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this is I knew right away this is going to

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have to be a little bit of a go with

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it movie. Let's just go with it, because no way

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in hell I'm letting that hitchhiker into my car in

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a dark, rainy night in the middle of the desert.

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Are you kidding me? Creepy as all hell? That would

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be I just wouldn't make that choice. But see Thomas

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how and forgive me listeners and Bill bant If. We

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discussed this when we did our Secret Admirer episode. But man,

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he had a great run in the eighties et the

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Outsider's Read Down, Secret Admyer soul Man even side out

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in nineteen ninety. What happened do you think? Did he

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simply kind of age out? Because he has a ton

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of credits. He's still working, looks great, still doing it,

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very likable, always great to see him. But there seemed

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to be Yeah, it seemed to be that precipitous like

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drop off though from like pop culture after the eighties.

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Speaker 1: I think because they kept trying to make him a

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leading man and it wasn't working.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he'd be a great.

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Speaker 1: Second guy, your second banana. Yeah, got that for sure,

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to be the friend. But maybe it's a little too

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good looking.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, right, he kind of falls in between somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he can carry a movie, but

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he almost says a little too much to be the

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second person. So I think it was probably where do

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we put this guy in the movie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He worked in an ensemble, like he said, with Red

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Dawn The Outsiders. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna just say this real quick, because I think

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everybody out there in the world agrees, and if you don't,

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I don't know what's wrong with you.

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Speaker 2: Rutger Howerd's the man are.

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Speaker 3: We covered him a bit in our Nighthawks episode We

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love him Blade Runner, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: He's got the look.

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Speaker 3: He looks right through you with soulless eyes yet eyes

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that are on fire at the same time. I don't

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know how he does it. He's just a unique actor,

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one of one. I can't get enough of his delivery.

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I just can't wait to hear whatever he's about to say.

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Love me, Rutger Hower. I can't find any fault. It

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just I just didn't understand the character. And it was

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every time Jim thought he got away, then he just

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came out of nowhere, and I'm like, what the f

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how is this possible? Has he got a jet an ankle.

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Speaker 2: Tracer on him? What's going on here? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He just shows up out of nowhere time after time.

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After time, and that was bugging the crap out of me.

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00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 3: Okay, I think he's got quite the stature and that

475
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,400
just he's got that look. He's unpredictable. I think he's

476
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,880
what I decided to go with during this. Like I said,

477
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,480
I just I did get swept away by it is

478
00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:57,200
that there are only so many many places to go

479
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,160
on one highway going.

480
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,279
Speaker 2: Through a stretch of the desert.

481
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,839
Speaker 3: So I figured he was like, where's the next logical

482
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,400
stop for Jim Halsey, and so he just went to

483
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:06,880
that place.

484
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 2: Of course Jim Halsey.

485
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,039
Speaker 3: Is there, but I also buy into maybe there is

486
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,200
a fantastical element here where he is a demon, the devil,

487
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,480
where he just is now decided to make Jim Halsey

488
00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:21,680
his mark and is connected to him as a result,

489
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:24,880
and knows and senses exactly where he's going to be

490
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,920
at any particular point in time.

491
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: At least hints at it.

492
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, spell it out, but at least hints

493
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:33,240
at it.

494
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

495
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: I wanted to give a shout out as I did

496
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:39,720
real quick to Mark Isham the if that's even the

497
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,200
correct pronunciation of his name, the composer, Did you know

498
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:47,119
that Mark Isham or Esham was the composer on Point

499
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,960
Break No. He did some good stuff in the eighties

500
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,720
and I just wanted to mention this my childhood teenage memory.

501
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,000
Being a fan of film scores and a collector of

502
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:58,319
orchestral film scores. He did the score for a TV

503
00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:02,119
movie called Sketch Artist in nineteen ninety two starring Jeff

504
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,359
Fahi and Sean Young. I had it on cassette, so

505
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,839
that's where I first got turned on to him. That's

506
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,799
when I first logged his name in my brain. So

507
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,480
check out as I AMDB. This dude's done a lot

508
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:16,599
and he knows how to set a mood and he

509
00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:19,519
really kills it in this movie. It really worked for

510
00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:22,039
me in this film. Later on he has a great nineties.

511
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,559
He did the Fire in the Sky Quiz Show, some

512
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:26,680
big stuff. So love the score in this.

513
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember it that much, to be honest, Like

514
00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:32,160
when you said that, I don't think I was paying

515
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,599
that much attention to the music.

516
00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:34,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you.

517
00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll try to find it on YouTube and play it,

518
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,000
but I'm not. I'm watching it with the movie.

519
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:40,839
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that much, right, I hear you, man,

520
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,799
I'm gonna give one more shout out though, to John Seal,

521
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,279
the DP on this our cinematographer. I'm just going to

522
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,079
rattle off a few incredible shots in this movie. I

523
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,720
thought this film was shot really well. There's a great

524
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,720
shot near the beginning of a rider standing up in

525
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:58,319
the middle of the highway after Halsey has kicked him

526
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,640
out of his car. The camera just moves up to

527
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,000
him and goes low and looks up at rider as

528
00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:07,559
he's looking so intimidating the car coming racing out of

529
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:10,240
the gas station on fire after it explodes. There's a

530
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,480
circle shot around Cee Thomas Howell in the police station

531
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:15,880
that I loved. There's a shot at Jenator Jason Lee

532
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,799
sleeping when the camera pans over. It's a very Michael

533
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,759
Myers Halloween shot with John Ryder just watching her she

534
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:24,039
sleeps in the hotel room.

535
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,279
Speaker 2: Love that shot.

536
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,759
Speaker 3: And then I'll talk about the finale later, but just

537
00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:31,440
wanted to give the DP a real strong shout out here.

538
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think the movie looks good. I thought

539
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,079
about this after I watch it. I'm wondering if part

540
00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:41,079
of my issue at the movie is because of the actors,

541
00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:45,160
because I know who they are okay. Maybe if I've

542
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,200
watched it three unknowns, maybe that would have helped me

543
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:51,880
a little bit because my expectations of who's in it.

544
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,279
But I think still story wise, I still would have

545
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:57,680
got frustrated with why is he doing this? What is he?

546
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,400
Why did he pick this kid to all of a

547
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,160
sudden be the one to become his maker? I don't know?

548
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: Fair enough, man, fair enough?

549
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to favorite scenes or moments.

550
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:10,200
What do we have for favorite scenes of moments? And

551
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,400
I'll start on this one because it's the very very

552
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,839
opening of the movie and we have Jim driving. So

553
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,200
he's driving for a car service and he's taking this

554
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,119
car to San Diego and it's the middle of the night,

555
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,279
it's raining, and he is tired, and we have all

556
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,720
been there, and I think there's the most tense scene

557
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,400
of the movie because we've all gone through it and

558
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,759
he can't stay awake. At one point he does fall

559
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,759
asleep behind the wheel and it just gets plowed by

560
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,559
a truck and that scared the crap out of me.

561
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,160
And then after that the movie was over. Could stop

562
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,480
right there, I would have been good. But no, just

563
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,000
the opening, because it's something we've all gone through and

564
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,799
seeing a play out on film, and even though knowing

565
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,640
that see Thomas Halls playing one of your main characters

566
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,519
in the movie, that he's going to survive, it still

567
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,440
made me think back to all the times that I've

568
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,160
been super tired behind the wheel and like, oh my god,

569
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,359
I'm happy I'm still here and heard horror stories about

570
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,880
friends who have fallen asleep and they're still lucky to

571
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,880
be on this earth.

572
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

573
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: I can think of one of my high school buddies

574
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,599
right off the top of my head, shout out, Matt Stettle.

575
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,000
I remember him telling me a story about freaking out

576
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,319
and luckily survived after having fallen asleep at the wheel,

577
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,960
and I think he had done it a couple times.

578
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: But it's scary.

579
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: It's a great way to start a scary movie. And

580
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,359
here's it's funny, Bill Bant because I was going to

581
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,920
watch this on my big screen TV, but the way

582
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,720
it sits in my living room there's too much of

583
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:33,519
a glare in the middle of the afternoon, So I

584
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:35,920
was watching this on my laptop and I start the

585
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,160
film and it's so damn dark. I had to move

586
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,720
into my bedroom so I could see it, which was

587
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:43,599
great for a horror film. I'm glad I did so

588
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,200
because I love the opening shot when he's lighting his cigarette.

589
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: It's just cool.

590
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,519
Speaker 3: It's like, just like and that lights up his face

591
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,200
because he's in the middle of the dark, in the

592
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,599
middle of nowhere. Great way to open the movie. Scary,

593
00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:01,200
it's storming, it's the mountainous hilly region there in the

594
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,160
middle of El Paso. I think he's listened have been

595
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,599
reminiscent of Desolate Road, a little listening to the radio

596
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,039
going through Texas, so it establishes location. And yeah, I

597
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:13,880
was like, yeah, keep pounding that coffee, that thermos of coffee. Man,

598
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,680
been there, done that. But when you're that tired, there's

599
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,640
no amount of coffee that's gonna save you. And that

600
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:23,559
nodding off feeling is the worst. It's the absolute worst.

601
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,599
Speaker 1: So it's very relatable, like pinching yourself, biting your lip,

602
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,519
trying to do whatever you kind of stay awake, it

603
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:31,799
just doesn't work. It's like, please, please, let me get

604
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:32,599
to where I need to go.

605
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: That helps make sense why he does pick up the hitchhiker,

606
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,720
and he says it later, he's like, I just thought

607
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,039
i'd pick him up. It would help me stay awake

608
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,039
if I had a passenger. And that almost makes sense.

609
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:46,279
I thought it did, I like highly justified it.

610
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, another favorite Senier moment and it's just a moment

611
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,759
and you already mentioned it. The shot of the gas

612
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,440
station blowing up in the flaming car driving. It was like, Oh,

613
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,920
that's awesome, that's cool because you know it's all practical.

614
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,759
It looks fantastic, and you figure probably was only one take,

615
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,240
so you can't blow up a gas stage multiple times.

616
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:07,200
So the fact they got that on one shot, I mean,

617
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,119
I can't confirm that. I mean that car is on fire.

618
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,480
I was waiting for the tires to blow out. There

619
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:14,480
was so much flame on that car. That was a

620
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:15,039
cool shot.

621
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I apologize for stepping out it earlier when

622
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,480
I said that earlier. But the way that that is

623
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:25,079
shut because if I recall correctly, you see that gas

624
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:29,039
station explosion in the background and then the car comes

625
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:32,559
blazing it out back onto the freeway and you're like,

626
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,519
oh my god, the car is completely engulfed. And now,

627
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,400
like we do over analytical I'm looking at the stunt

628
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,440
driver going, oh, is this one of those cases where

629
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,519
it's just an incredible stunt, but it's clearly a stunt driver,

630
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,680
a stunt double.

631
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: But he actually the silhouette looked pretty good.

632
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I guy, this man being on

633
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,400
the set that day to watch that would have been

634
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,559
impressive because it looks cool.

635
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,759
Speaker 2: How about you, Jason sees her moments? Yeah?

636
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah. My first favorite scene is what I'm entitling.

637
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:04,559
It's not a French fry, no, it is a severed finger.

638
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,039
And this is one of the two what I would

639
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:12,000
call most iconic scenes and most well known scenes by

640
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,279
horror fans, and especially fans of this film in particular.

641
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:19,799
It's still creepy as hell. I actually enjoyed the pacing

642
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,640
in this because at this point I was relating to

643
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:27,680
Jim Halsey. He's been through it already. He's covered in gasoline.

644
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,319
Is right after the scene that in that moment that

645
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,119
Bill was describing, he's been through hell and now he's

646
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,599
at the diner slash trading post. And this is when

647
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,079
it's a great because we get to introduce to Jennifer

648
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:41,720
Jason Lee, who we haven't talked about yet, who looks

649
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,039
fantastic in this, and she's a breath of fresh air.

650
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,440
She's a welcome sight. I think she's great in this

651
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,920
as that girl next door living out in the middle

652
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,440
of nowhere and she works with her family and she works,

653
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,960
so I like there back and forth. But there's a

654
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,519
moment when Jim really loses himself in thought while she's talking,

655
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:05,839
because he's, just like he said, early traumatized. And he

656
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,920
just slowly eats those fries and you know it's coming

657
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,680
if you're a fan of this film, but if you don't,

658
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:16,279
it's you know, it's the moment you always will remember.

659
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,160
And he picks up the next French fry. It's not

660
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,359
a French fry, it's a severed finger. And then it

661
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,519
goes from there as he runs outside and cops are

662
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,319
there thinking that he's the killer and he's been framed.

663
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:28,640
All these things start happening after that. But it's just

664
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:31,799
creepy because if you think, what if I was not

665
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:34,880
because he almost puts it in his mouth, So that's

666
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,599
the whole thing. It's like if you were eating a

667
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,119
plate of fries and you didn't know there was a

668
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,880
severed finger, then you picked it up and actually chomped

669
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,200
down on it. No boy, No, that's some good scary stuff.

670
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,119
Speaker 1: I'm just still trying to figure out how the finger

671
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,920
got there. Yeah, and that just shows how like distraught

672
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:56,359
Jim is to not even realize picking up the The

673
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,200
texture is different, it's thicker feeling, and something just catches

674
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:03,440
the corner of his eye at the last second. Whose

675
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,440
finger was it? Do we know whose finger it was?

676
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: At that point?

677
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: It could have been the passenger that was in the truck,

678
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,119
that rider takes or hitches a ride with and then

679
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,759
takes that truck over I'm assuming, But that's a great question.

680
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,319
You just immediately this is where you start nitpicking and

681
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,680
poking holes because is he some sort of supernatural creature

682
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,839
that just can appear here and there and disappear without

683
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:28,240
anyone seeing him? Because how did Jennifer Jason Lee not

684
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:31,119
see the she served the plate to him, How does

685
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,519
she not see the finger in the fries? So when

686
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,440
did he put the finger on the plate. I'm sure

687
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,519
if you were paying close enough attention, there may have

688
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,359
been a split second when he could have slipped in

689
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,039
and out, but I'm not sure when. But it's still

690
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:45,799
it's an effective scene and it makes you go ooh,

691
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:50,279
so yeah, me again. Let's keep it going, all right.

692
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:53,440
This next one is featuring Jennifer Jason Lee. She plays

693
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,519
the character Nash.

694
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:56,599
Speaker 2: By the way, I like that name very interesting.

695
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: So this is the other iconic scene that is most

696
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:03,079
memorable because of its gruesome nature. And you don't even

697
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,839
it could have been so much worse. You don't see

698
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,400
the end result. But this one still scares the hell

699
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,519
out of me. The staging is great. We get Jeffrey

700
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,920
DeMont here showing up on the scene at this rest

701
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,359
stop with the trucks all parked there, and the sound

702
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,359
design is great, and you have Nash Jennifer Jason Lee

703
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,680
basically being drawn and quartered here. She's tied with her

704
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,400
arms or wrists are tied to one end of a

705
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,200
bobtail truck and her feet tied to the end of another.

706
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Semi I believe, and you have. I mean, I love

707
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,359
the fact that the cops are feeling useless in the scene.

708
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,279
They're like, you know what, Jim, you got to help

709
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:44,799
us out. You know who this killer is. You've got

710
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,680
to talk to him. We can't do anything because he's

711
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:50,480
up in the truck about to release the clutch, and

712
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,519
if he does, the truck rolls and she gets torn

713
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,920
in half. And that scene when I just love the

714
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,599
moments between Jim and John Ryder in the cab when

715
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:02,240
Rutger Howard takes that gun and just puts it in

716
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,079
his hand and points it right at his head and

717
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:06,640
he says, do it. There's a line here that's my favorite.

718
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,840
Rutger Howard just like streaming, sweat just dripping off his face.

719
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,639
All this stuff just reminiscent of Blade Runner at the

720
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,719
end time to Die with the rain coming down.

721
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: I just love this shit.

722
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,119
Speaker 3: And Jim can't shoot him because if he does, then

723
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:23,880
he definitely releases the clutch and Nash is dead. And

724
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,039
so he puts the gun down and you see John

725
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:33,480
Ryder simply say you useless waste. This is brutal. It's

726
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:36,159
an awful scene. And then he releases the clutch and

727
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,039
you hear her screams. That's the stuff of nightmares. Man,

728
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,559
It's completely horrific.

729
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

730
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: The whole time I'm watching that scene and I know

731
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,039
what happens to Nash, I'm just trying to figure out, like,

732
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:49,000
what could the police have done to try to stop

733
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:52,320
that truck? And I couldn't think of anything. I'm like,

734
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,559
even though they try to race a car in there,

735
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,400
just to hit the truck to keep it from moving.

736
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,519
There's so much tension on her right then you only

737
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:06,159
have two inches of give before she unfortunately dies. You

738
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,679
really couldn't do anything. I think that's what even makes

739
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,960
it worse, because you're just thinking about, Okay, is there

740
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,320
any way you really could have stopped that from happening?

741
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:14,639
Speaker 2: You couldn't.

742
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, I think we kind of agree on the

743
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
last scene. My reasons are way different than yours, but

744
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,079
I think it's the final face off between John and Jim.

745
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:26,440
I'll be honest, it's just for me because that just

746
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:27,800
signals that the movie was over.

747
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:34,039
Speaker 2: Jeez. I love I did like the gun that I used.

748
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm about to announce that name of that

749
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,719
gun here shortly.

750
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: But I think you might have liked a little bit

751
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,440
more than I did.

752
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 3: Oh man, this finale is shot so well. I love

753
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:49,400
the moments, the connection where you see John Ryder aboard

754
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,920
the bus. He's in shackles, but he's already figuring out

755
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,400
how he's gonna get away and escape and we know

756
00:35:56,559 --> 00:35:58,360
he will, and he's looking at the gun in the

757
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,400
holster of one of the guards and that's parallel to then,

758
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,440
of course Jim in the sheriff's car with Captain Estridge

759
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,599
and he's looking at the gun of Hiss Holster and

760
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:11,320
it's the connection there.

761
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,519
Speaker 2: I love it.

762
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:18,199
Speaker 3: And obviously then Jim takes over the captain's cop car

763
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,679
there and goes to goes after Jim, and of course

764
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,760
Jim kills all the guards. And then that moment was ridiculous, man,

765
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,800
when he jumps through the wind shield of the sheriff's

766
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,760
car is frecking amazing and looks right up at see

767
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,920
Thomas Holland goes hi, kid, and then slams on the brakes,

768
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,800
goes flying back out the windshield. The moment when he

769
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,400
just nails him with the just like it's time to

770
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,639
kill this guy. I have no choice, and gets manages

771
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:52,480
to get that engine turned over and just basically blows

772
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,239
right through John Ryder. He goes flying backward, but yeah,

773
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,400
and then puts three solid holes in him.

774
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,079
Speaker 2: With the shotgun.

775
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 3: The backdrop, though, man, the lighting is as if they're

776
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,760
the only two people in the desert at that moment.

777
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:11,599
It oh my god, thank you very much exactly, and

778
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:15,840
it's dark and the look on Rider's face it's that

779
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,400
classic he comes back to life at the end of

780
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,440
every eighties horror movie. That's one of those classic scenes.

781
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,760
You think he's dead. Jim turns around to walk back

782
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,280
to the truck, and then he stands up and you

783
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,760
can literally see the camera the way the framing is

784
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,840
where it's like, oh, they're allowing the space on the

785
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,239
right side of the frame so that he can rise

786
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,239
into frame, returning from the dead, and so that Jim

787
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,559
can whip around and just blow him away with the shotgun.

788
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,280
And then he goes to the truck and you hear

789
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:46,719
in the sound design, you hear the lighting of the cigarette,

790
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,440
which bookends the film for me, which I loved. Starts

791
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,639
with him lighting the cigarette, ends with him lighting the

792
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:58,000
cigarette as darkness is upon and love it, love it

793
00:37:58,119 --> 00:37:58,800
strong ending.

794
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,159
Speaker 2: I did like that.

795
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,559
Speaker 1: Jim was justified doing what he did and knew that

796
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:05,840
Rider was going to escape, and by the time he

797
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,840
gets on the scene, he's already killed all the guards

798
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,760
and is about to jump out of the bus. Yeah,

799
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,400
like that Rider doesn't seem all that surprised that Jim

800
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:15,840
is there.

801
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 3: I love that you've just said that, because it's as

802
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,119
if he's expecting him. Yep, he's pleased that it ends

803
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,400
this way. This is how he had it planned from

804
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:25,000
the beginning.

805
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,079
Speaker 1: Okay, time to move on to Swiss cheese and complaint department.

806
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:34,679
And what do we call it Swiss cheese?

807
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: Because although this movie is delicious, it does have spas

808
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,840
twelve semi automatic tactical combat shotgun holes.

809
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:44,559
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, I can't do that one.

810
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,679
Speaker 3: How about tactical combat shotgun holes?

811
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: All right, tactical forget it, shotgun holes. I'm just saying

812
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,519
that if it doesn't have those, yeah, make a complaint

813
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:57,639
with the complaints apartment. So what do you have for

814
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,840
swiss cheese and complaints?

815
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,199
Speaker 2: Of course?

816
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,519
Speaker 1: My big Swiss cheese is just how does Rider get

817
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:03,880
everywhere that it needs a guy? Doesn't make any sense

818
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,159
to me. You just seem to be there all the time,

819
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:09,880
this mythical entity that just shows up that was driving

820
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,679
me nuts.

821
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:14,159
Speaker 3: And not explained, understood, understood And by the way, yes,

822
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:17,800
according to the trivia it's an SPAS. I just said,

823
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:24,239
SPAZ twelve semi automatic tactical combat shotgun that's what Rider has.

824
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: At the end.

825
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:26,599
Speaker 3: And then it obviously ends in the hands of Jim.

826
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,599
But complaints, Yes, Swiss cheese. I mean after the sheriff

827
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:37,519
station murders, when Jim awakens after falling asleep in his cell,

828
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,800
and then the door to his cell is open and

829
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,199
he goes out to discover all the bodies of the cops,

830
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,159
and then the more police show up at the sheriff station.

831
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:49,119
He decides to take the gun from one of the

832
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:51,880
cops in the sheriffs and go run out the back

833
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,559
and into the desert. I was like, where are you going?

834
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:55,519
What's your plan?

835
00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:56,119
Speaker 2: My man?

836
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: Just go back into the cell and pretend like you're sleeping.

837
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,360
You've got no blood out yet, There's no way you

838
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,599
could have done this. I'm just reiterating what we said earlier.

839
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,760
Why he keeps running into this desert. I started to

840
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,760
drive me a little nutty.

841
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,599
Speaker 1: Well, how did you not hear anything that happened in

842
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:14,440
the police station? That too that I didn't understand because

843
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,280
all I'm thinking of this terminator, all the noise that made.

844
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:21,320
But even if it's a silent kill, even if he's

845
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,079
killing everyone by his hands, someone's screaming, someone's making noise.

846
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:28,599
Hell yeah, he's so tense he would wake up in

847
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:29,239
a second.

848
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where it just feels like there's no question

849
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,719
that dread that overhangs over it. But it is, like

850
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,400
you said, kind of this mythical quality to this bad guy,

851
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:40,880
Like how is he getting away with all of these

852
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,199
things almost in complete silence or without anyone seeing him

853
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,199
do it? I don't know, but I had just a

854
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,800
couple others here. Did you have anything else for Swiss cheese?

855
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: Swiss cheese? No, but complaints for sure.

856
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: Please.

857
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just putting them all together, all the complaints.

858
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,119
So go for it, man, Let loose.

859
00:40:59,199 --> 00:40:59,519
Speaker 2: Okay.

860
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: So we have that scene in the beginning when Jim

861
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,039
has picked up John for the first time and they

862
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:09,480
go through that construction zone and they have that whole

863
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:12,760
scene with the construction driver and the driver sees that

864
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,800
something's kind of off. So I'm like, oh, this is

865
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,079
going to come back into play at some point. Yeah, No, nothing,

866
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,480
that was it. He basically just saw Rider's hand in

867
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:24,760
Jim's crotch and let it go.

868
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:25,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

869
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're led to that's a great point.

870
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:30,519
You would think that's a serious red flag. The alert

871
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:32,360
would go up. But yeah, I don't know if he

872
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:38,320
the construction worker thought maybe this was a homosexual relationship

873
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,679
that they were having, that it was none of his business,

874
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,960
and he was just like, move along, move along, right,

875
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,519
But you would think, clearly something is rotten in Denmark here.

876
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, because just the way that Jim was reacting to

877
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,519
it so uneasy, I would have thought the ladder like

878
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:55,920
something something's off here?

879
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,519
Speaker 2: Not oh yeah, Oh.

880
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,199
Speaker 1: These two guys are a especially during that time period

881
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:06,000
where it was still pretty under the radar. This I

882
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,639
found funny. How do you let a station wagon with

883
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:11,559
the boat hitch pass you on the road? How slow

884
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,039
are you driving to let a station wagon with the

885
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:15,400
boat hitch pass you?

886
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:15,639
Speaker 2: See?

887
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 3: And you said there was no light moments in this film?

888
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,360
Not there you go, there's a little there, right, I

889
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,159
guess so I thought the same thing. I thought the

890
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,360
exact said, there's no way, I are you doing thirty

891
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,039
five on the white open? I mean, it doesn't make

892
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:31,719
any sense. I don't know how that happened.

893
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: Here's a question, somewhat of a complaint. Who was actually

894
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,239
worse than this movie? John Ryder or the police force?

895
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:39,719
Almost every one of those.

896
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:40,679
Speaker 2: Officers was a dick.

897
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:44,119
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean they assumed Jim is the killer

898
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:47,719
from the Get and then after that, they're just ready

899
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,320
to put holes in him, no question about it.

900
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: Literally going to shoot him in front of a bustle

901
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:52,800
load of people.

902
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

903
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: I didn't catch that at first when he's when the

904
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,360
one trooper was like you spin on me, wipe it

905
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,639
off right until he said the second time, like, oh,

906
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:03,119
he wants him to come at him so he could

907
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,639
shoot it right. At least I got something out of

908
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,719
this movie. So if that ever happens to me, I

909
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,599
just stay still so I don't get shot.

910
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding.

911
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's trying to force him into a suicide by

912
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:18,360
cop situation, and he wasn't happy. But the only time

913
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:22,039
the cops don't come at Jim is the time that

914
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:25,039
Jim actually takes the lead, like he takes the up hand,

915
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:27,960
just coming out of the gas station and taking two

916
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:31,599
of them hostage. And this is a scene I had

917
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:33,880
an issue with because he just goes about it the

918
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:38,360
entirely wrong way. He tells the younger cop, the clearly

919
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,880
more fit cop, to put the handcuffs on the older cop,

920
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,880
which should be the total reverse. You want to take

921
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,239
out the young fit cop, Let the older guy drive

922
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,079
the car while you're sitting in the back with them

923
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,599
at gunpoint, and then he doesn't even disarm the younger,

924
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,719
more in shape deputy, like, he lets him keep his gun.

925
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you what is there?

926
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,119
Speaker 3: And the thing is, I would understand if he he

927
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,280
was all completely you know, shaken up and all that

928
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,039
and wasn't thinking clearly. But in the scene the way

929
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:07,960
that see Thomas Howll is playing it, he seems to

930
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,880
be very much in control and is really calling the shots,

931
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,800
but makes two really huge errors while taking these two

932
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,400
police officers hostage.

933
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: Oh but there was a highlight. So after he radios

934
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:23,239
Estridge and decides he's going to turn himself in, and

935
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,840
then Surpryce Sprice rider shows up and shoots both the

936
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,519
troopers and a car goes off the road the way

937
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,920
see Thomas how gets a car, freaks out and runs

938
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,519
in the desert. Yeah, that was pretty genuine. I'd probably

939
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,880
do the same thing, just like, son of a bit.

940
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:41,000
Nothing's going right totally at that point. He just loved

941
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:44,800
that was a great reaction. That's great that I mean that.

942
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,039
I still just had honestly only other complaintss him running

943
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:48,719
into the desert.

944
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: But because there's oh there's one, I will say, there's

945
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,320
one more point, there's one more time that yeah?

946
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: Is it that? No?

947
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: It's after the giant police chase when he, Jim and

948
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,360
Nash are in the car, he pulls over in the

949
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,760
busted up police car, which is still running. They literally

950
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,840
pull over with no one no longer chasing them and

951
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:11,559
get out of the car and go running into the desert.

952
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: Yep, why what.

953
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:16,599
Speaker 3: I understand it's a police car and it's identifiable because

954
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:19,199
it's been all shot up. But I think your odds

955
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,199
are better staying in the car and driving along the

956
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,679
highway then just taking this poor girl and running in

957
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,480
a random direction in the middle door. Agreed, enough, go ahead, man,

958
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,199
my last one then yeah, yeah is the final scene.

959
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:37,360
So rider jumps through the car right, he hits the brakes,

960
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,800
sends him flying, and then the car doesn't start, Like,

961
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:44,000
what did you do the car to make it not start?

962
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,840
After Rider shoots the car repeatedly, I could see why

963
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,159
the car wouldn't be starting at that point, but it

964
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,719
should have turned over the first time. There's nothing that

965
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,199
happened to that car or truck to not start. It's like,

966
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,679
this is fake tension because we know it's going to

967
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,920
turn over when he uses the turnover. It's true, It's true.

968
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,760
And if you want to go even further, when John

969
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,360
is just blowing holes in the truck with that shotgun,

970
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,639
why is he not aiming for the radiator? I mean,

971
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,519
there's no way that car starts again. Yeah, even though

972
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:17,639
we know or I'm going here, I am trying to

973
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,840
find reasons to make this work. Is that Oh maybe

974
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,920
he purposefully wasn't shooting for the grill and the radiator

975
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,239
to allow Jim to restart the car so he could

976
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,719
run him over. But it's all should put it neutral,

977
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:37,239
put it? Uh, that's great stuff, man, love it. That's hilarious.

978
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,199
See there is some humor in this movie. That's actually

979
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:39,719
a comedy.

980
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: There you go.

981
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: Time to move on to Hey, it's an actor, all right?

982
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,599
So in this segment with Spotlight, a character you have

983
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,159
seen in many other films, an actor making their big

984
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:52,360
screen debut, or an actor that makes an uncredited cameo.

985
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,800
It's Hey, it's an actor. Who do we choose this week?

986
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,199
Speaker 2: Jason?

987
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: This week we chose for our Hey, it's that actor

988
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:04,400
armand Shimmerman. He plays interrogation sergeant. And we chose this

989
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,920
gentleman because it's all about Bill right now, and I'll

990
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,679
explain why shortly. Here we go Armand Shimmerman character actor

991
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,719
from Jersey. I recognized him immediately. He's got one of

992
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,679
those faces, even though what I recognize him for is

993
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,280
a part where he plays a character with a lot

994
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,920
of makeup on. Anyway, here's his eighty snapshot. From eighty

995
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,320
to eighty five, he does one offs, meaning a lot

996
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,960
of TV shows, but just one episode of each, all

997
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,440
the way from Hill Street Blues to Facts of Life.

998
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:33,320
Then he does the hitcher here in eighty six he

999
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,119
does blind Date, like Father, Like Son. After that, but

1000
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,039
I'm going to get right into it. From eighty seven

1001
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:42,559
to ninety four, he's in four episodes of Star Trek

1002
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:46,239
the Next Generation as characters named I think it is

1003
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,800
it l Tech or Leitech, Diamond.

1004
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: Bractor, and yes, Quark.

1005
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: And that's who we really know armand Shimmerman as because

1006
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,960
he portrays the Ferengi named Quark and one hundred and

1007
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,880
seventy two or one hundred and seven. I saw both

1008
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,119
these numbers episodes that is of Star Trek Deep Space nine.

1009
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,320
From nineteen ninety three to nineteen ninety nine, he shows

1010
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,559
up as Quark elsewhere in the Star Trek universe. Over

1011
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:13,000
the years, goes on to do a ton more TV

1012
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,320
and voiceover work in video games Little Trivia. Here he

1013
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,679
was the first actor ever to play a Ferengi on

1014
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,719
Star Trek, as Lee Tech or Lateech on the Star

1015
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,079
Trek The Next Generation nineteen eighty seven episode The Last Outpost.

1016
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,320
Five years later, he was off the role of Quark

1017
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,039
on Star Trek Deep Space nine and was the first

1018
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:33,880
Farrangi character in the main cast of any Star Trek series,

1019
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,039
and a role that he would play for seven years.

1020
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:43,559
And Bill Bant, if I'm not mistaken, you recently completed

1021
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,800
being the completest you are watch the entire Star Trek

1022
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,400
Deep Space nine series.

1023
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it took me about five months. I've tried to

1024
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,960
watch an episode a night, unless it was a two

1025
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,960
parter that I would watch too. And then so you

1026
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,119
got to the final season, and then I have to

1027
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:02,079
find out what was going on. I finally been DS nine,

1028
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,320
which I just couldn't get into when it originally came out,

1029
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,119
and wow, that was a great show. And the whole

1030
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,039
Quark Odo back and forth was awesome. A lot of

1031
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:13,199
great characters in that show.

1032
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:15,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, Arvin Shimmerman is great in that role.

1033
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: He's terrible in this though. Yeah, a little different. You're

1034
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,320
not a very good interrogator. Time to move on to

1035
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:24,679
facts and trivia. What are some facts in trivia we

1036
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,559
have about the Hitcher.

1037
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 3: In Rutger Howard's book All Those Moments, Howard mentioned how

1038
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,239
executive producer Edward S. Feldman settled on Sam Elliott for

1039
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,480
the role of John Ryder. Howard states that apparently Elliott

1040
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:44,159
was so scary when he came into audition that Feldman

1041
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,760
was afraid to go out to his car.

1042
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: Afterward.

1043
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,639
Speaker 3: Sam Elliott had a scheduling conflict and had to back

1044
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:50,320
out of the role.

1045
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:54,119
Speaker 1: That would be so interesting, right, I can't see that.

1046
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: It's really hard.

1047
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: I love Sam Elliott, freaking love that guy, and I just, yeah,

1048
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:05,840
don't see see him as this psycho, serial killer, this stalker, hitchhiker.

1049
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: It's hard.

1050
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,199
Speaker 3: I'd pay to see it now. I'd like to see

1051
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,280
what you do with it, but wouldn't be my first choice.

1052
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: No, that blowed me away when I read that. So

1053
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:20,079
see Thomas Howell's fear when Ruckerhower was holding the knife

1054
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,519
near his eye was genuine. Howard improvised the line and

1055
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:26,440
the position of the knife, and see Toom's Howe admit

1056
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:29,039
it that he was actually afraid of Ruckerhower on and

1057
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:32,360
off the set because of Howard's general intensity.

1058
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:36,079
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, read that, Bill.

1059
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,679
Speaker 3: You thought this felt long for an hour and thirty

1060
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,280
seven minute movie, Well, the original script was long enough

1061
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,559
to make a three hour movie. Scenes that were never

1062
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:48,880
filmed include writer slaughtering an entire family, an eyeball appearing

1063
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,880
in a hamburger. This was replaced with the finger in

1064
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,599
the plate of French fries, a graphic sex scene between

1065
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,519
a character named Gal Galveston, which was a girl that

1066
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:00,639
appears in the film before Nash. The sex was supposed

1067
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:04,000
to between this Gal and Jim, and a character being decapitated.

1068
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:08,880
This movie underwent several rewrites which removed the gorrier moments.

1069
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:12,239
This could have been a lot gorrier, that's for sure.

1070
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: Wow, three hours, come on, so Eric read The screenwriter

1071
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,840
can be seen in a cameo role towards the end

1072
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,199
of this movie as a deputy sheriff escorting John Ryder

1073
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,800
to the transfer bus. There's so many troopers, I got

1074
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:30,559
them all mixed up.

1075
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1076
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: There's a lot of them, but as recent as twenty

1077
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:39,559
twenty four, filmmaker Christopher Nolan cited it This Being the

1078
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:43,320
Hitcher as one of his favorite films, saying, as a teenager,

1079
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,320
I never questioned the logic of this eighties chiller, but

1080
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,679
now it seems mind bendingly arbitrary plot wise. However, it

1081
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,639
does feature the criminally underappreciated Ruttor Howard in his finest

1082
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,880
and most influential europsycho performance this side of Blade Runner.

1083
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I've read that and go, what am I missing?

1084
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,079
What am I missing?

1085
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: You really do? Feel like you're the only one that doesn't.

1086
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,159
I do? I do? I really do.

1087
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,679
Speaker 3: While performing that last sequence of the windshield stunt which

1088
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,320
we mentioned, Rutger howerd knocked out one of his teeth

1089
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,440
with the shotgun he was holding in his hands.

1090
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: Feeling you almost see it in that scene.

1091
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did.

1092
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: Apparently a lot of his stunts, a lot of the

1093
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,679
stunt driving, and everybody's really impressed.

1094
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,599
Speaker 2: Rut Or Howard just supreme.

1095
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:31,559
Speaker 1: Badass, all right, Jason. Alternative titles, Yes, my favorite. It's

1096
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:33,119
some of these I think I actually like more than

1097
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:35,480
the movie itself. So let's see what you like, all right?

1098
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,239
Here we go from Brazil, Death asks for a ride,

1099
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:48,679
Denmark on Stop was a Killer, Grease, the Hitchhiker of Horror, Hungry,

1100
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:54,239
the Phantom of the Highway, Peru the Passenger of Death,

1101
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:01,039
Portugal Highway Terror, Spain Highway to Hell.

1102
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

1103
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: Germany the Hitcher, the highway Killer, Italy the Hitcher, the

1104
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:16,599
Long Road of Fear, and finally Mexico the Hitcher, the

1105
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:17,599
road Assassin.

1106
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,079
Speaker 3: Oh, very strong stuff. Yeah, I still I think my

1107
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:24,000
favorite still is the first.

1108
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 2: What was the first one?

1109
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: Again? Death asked for a ride? Death asks for a ride.

1110
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:29,199
I like that one too.

1111
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,559
Speaker 3: Instead of like death goes for a ride, Death takes

1112
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:36,480
a ride, it's Death asks for a ride like see

1113
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,440
like the grim Reaper on the side of the road.

1114
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:39,840
Just being really polite.

1115
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, can you give me right?

1116
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,039
Speaker 3: Hey, I got a question Bill, real quick. Have you

1117
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:48,360
ever heard I'd never heard before this a hitchhiker being

1118
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,079
referred to as a hitcher like short for hitchhiker. Have

1119
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:55,239
you heard that before? I always thought of them as hitchhikers. Yeah,

1120
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,519
I just had never hurt that in like nomenclature or whatever,

1121
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,159
like that was a thing in the term. But obviously

1122
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,000
it is Yeah, I just want to mention it.

1123
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on to box office. So The Hitcher

1124
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,320
was released on February twenty first, nineteen eighty six, in

1125
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,840
seven hundred and ninety four theaters, with a production budget

1126
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,480
of approximately eight million. The Hitcher went on to gross

1127
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:20,079
five point eight million in North America. It opened number

1128
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,519
eight at the box office and dropped out the top

1129
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:25,960
ten the following week. The movie ended up being the

1130
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,280
one hundredth highest grossing movie in the United States, hence

1131
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,400
the cold classic status that movie bombedkame. Moving on to reviews.

1132
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,440
From growing up in the eighties, we would watch at

1133
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,840
the movies with Geens Cisco and Roger Eber to hear

1134
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,079
their reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies. Their review

1135
00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:50,239
of The Hitcher was unanimous two thumbs way, way way down.

1136
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: Are you happy now?

1137
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: This is how they summed up the film. When they

1138
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,599
recapped their reviews, we gave two thumbs down to The Hitcher,

1139
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:03,960
the disgusting exploitation of perverted violence. We hated it Rotten

1140
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,159
Tomatoes because a Tomato Meter score of sixty two percent

1141
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,079
was a Popcorn Meter score of seventy five percent. It

1142
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:12,920
also has an IMDb rating of seven point two. Those

1143
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,920
are pretty good, though, and that takes us to additional

1144
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,400
thoughts and questions. What are some additional thoughts and questions

1145
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,000
you have about The Hitcher?

1146
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:24,079
Speaker 3: My first additional thought is that there are actually three

1147
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:28,199
people that didn't like this movie, Bill Ban, Gene Cisco,

1148
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:28,840
and Roger Eater.

1149
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:29,639
Speaker 2: There we go.

1150
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,199
Speaker 3: I only got one other additional thought, Man, I think

1151
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,559
I've just talked about everything else along the way here.

1152
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:37,199
Speaker 2: It is throughout.

1153
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,599
Speaker 3: Everything, Jim Halsey never seems to run out of cigarettes.

1154
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good call.

1155
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 3: He's got endless, endless cigarettes. I was happy, especially had

1156
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,880
that he got soaked by gasoline.

1157
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: Every time he pulls on. I'm like, what, how does

1158
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,800
he still have cigarettes? At this point? He keeps just

1159
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,679
you want to smoke, You want to smoke. I gotta

1160
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:54,480
smoke this.

1161
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:58,599
Speaker 1: I kept thinking about Jennifer Jason Lee's character Nash, if

1162
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:01,920
she had survived the move. She reminded me so much

1163
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:05,519
of her character from Miami Blues. I'm like, if she'd

1164
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,840
got now this town. Yeah, I know, she said joined

1165
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,000
to go to California, but if she went to Florida instead,

1166
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,440
that's what she would have become same universe. Maybe the

1167
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,360
way she kind of talked she had some of that.

1168
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,079
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I was trying to look for positives.

1169
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Nash had survived, Yeah, she would ended

1170
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,440
up with Alc Baldwin to Miami.

1171
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 2: Blues, another great movie.

1172
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Anything else for thoughts and questions?

1173
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:32,119
Speaker 3: Nope, that's all I had. Man, I'm ready to get

1174
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:32,920
into the wrap up.

1175
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:36,679
Speaker 1: All right, So let's give it our rating. So on

1176
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,360
a scale of one to five. Dismembered fingers, what did

1177
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,599
you give the hitcher?

1178
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Speaker 3: I could have sworn you were gonna go with tactical

1179
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:45,639
combat shotguns.

1180
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,159
Speaker 1: Oh no, I initially was, but I'm like, I don't

1181
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:52,960
know if I supposed to say Spas or Spaz.

1182
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: I'm like Spaz for.

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00:56:54,559 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 3: An automatic hilarious. Yes, let's go with dismembered face. I'm

1184
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,800
giving it a really strong three point five. You might

1185
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,360
feel after my sharing of love for this film, it

1186
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,920
might have been higher, but I recognize its flaws. This

1187
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:12,440
is far from a perfect film. It does have some

1188
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:15,440
pacing issues. I agree with the Bill Band on a

1189
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,679
lot of the points that he made, especially if you

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00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,119
had not seen this as a teenager and you didn't

1191
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:23,000
have any attachment to it, but I did, and I do,

1192
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:27,519
and it stays with me. This film had a profound

1193
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:31,320
effect on me. I vividly remember seeing these things, so

1194
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:35,000
much so that my memory embellished, Like I said, the

1195
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,760
Mandela effect, where I thought there was a lot more gore,

1196
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,280
especially in the beginning when they come across the two

1197
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,199
abandoned vehicles or what seemed to be abandoned vehicles that

1198
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,199
actually have dead bodies in them. And man, when you

1199
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:51,079
see this stuff, it's more impactful the way they film it,

1200
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:53,280
when they don't show you everything, because then as a kid,

1201
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,559
your imagination runs away with it and it's really horrific.

1202
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,639
So rutger Hower, I'm just such a fan, such a

1203
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:03,920
fan of his look, of his delivery, his presence. It

1204
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,679
was him, the music, the way it was shot. I

1205
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,679
just wish, you know, maybe ten, maybe twenty thirty minutes

1206
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:11,519
could have been cut out of this and it could

1207
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:14,920
have been a tighter package, but still delivers for me.

1208
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:18,840
I get into the psychological aspect of it. I like

1209
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:22,760
reading into this trying to figure out why, and then

1210
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,559
being maybe even more scared to think there really is

1211
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no why at all. So I will still recommend this

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00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,599
movie to those that haven't seen it. Just try to

1213
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:38,360
watch it when you're fully awake and alert and be ready.

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00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,440
That for a little bit slower hour and thirty seven minutes,

1215
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but still entertaining.

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Speaker 2: For me.

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00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 3: I find some entertainment in this still. After I had watched.

1218
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Speaker 1: This movie, I went online and I'm like, Okay, let's

1219
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:52,440
see what other people think about this. I can't be

1220
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:54,719
the only one that doesn't like this movie. And Jason,

1221
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,280
there was a girl who did a first watch video

1222
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:00,559
of the Hitcher and the first orson our mouthware how

1223
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:02,440
much he loved this movie, and I was like, God,

1224
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:06,000
damn it. Is there not anyone else that's not a

1225
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:10,480
critic that doesn't like this film. With all that being said, though,

1226
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,119
I'm only giving it two dismembered fingers, so it's not

1227
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:17,320
a one, it's not a zero. It's okay, all right.

1228
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:19,519
I think it's well made. I do think it's a

1229
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:22,480
well made movie. There's just too many questions and just

1230
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:25,679
the dread that you feel throughout this whole movie. It

1231
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,280
just weighs me down too much and I couldn't get

1232
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,039
into it. Nothing wrong with the performance. Is way too

1233
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:36,079
many troopers to keep track of it. Seemed like every

1234
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,760
ten minutes there's another set of troopers coming in. If

1235
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,480
we did a quiz like here's the trooper who was

1236
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:44,800
the actor? I would fail horribly. There was a handstad

1237
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,960
actor Jack Tibau.

1238
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:47,159
Speaker 2: Was in there.

1239
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah from Escape from Alcatraz. Oh I know that

1240
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,480
guy from something right. I could not connect to this movie.

1241
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:57,679
I wasn't feeling it and will I go back and

1242
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,599
ever tried to watch it again now. I think I

1243
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:06,079
saw the remake which everyone killed, and then I didn't

1244
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:08,280
realize there was a second one. Holy crap.

1245
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:10,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't even talk about that.

1246
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it does have Carrie Warren it who surprised surprise.

1247
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: That's all you need to know about that one. I'll

1248
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,360
definitely watch it now.

1249
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:20,599
Speaker 1: I'm just that guy who just doesn't like that movie.

1250
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,280
That's all there is to it. And for all of

1251
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,239
you listening who love it and think it's I wouldn't

1252
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:30,320
say a masterpiece, but just really enjoy it, just own it,

1253
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:33,639
watch it all the time. Ey, difference of opinion, it

1254
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,920
is what it is. There's movies out there that you

1255
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,599
like that I don't like, or vice versa, and this

1256
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:38,960
is it.

1257
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: But I do.

1258
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: Thank Jason for handing me for the last four years

1259
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,880
to finally watch this movie. And we had it on

1260
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,320
the schedule last year. No, we've had it on the

1261
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,840
schedule twice and he ended up getting bumped. So we

1262
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,079
finally got around to it.

1263
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:52,719
Speaker 2: We did it.

1264
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,719
Speaker 1: Hopefully there'll be some other movies that Jason has seen

1265
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,719
that I have not seen that we will do and

1266
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,519
I will like them. Because right now, Jason pushed Ice

1267
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:04,199
Pirates and that was crap. Now you push the Hitcher,

1268
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,440
So now I'm a little wary the next time you

1269
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,840
really want another movie we want to watch in the

1270
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,719
future episode, but two dismembered fingers. Sorry, just didn't do

1271
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,800
it for me. I'll stick with the Freddy Krueger or

1272
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,880
Mike Myers going around chopping up people instead.

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01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: It's fair enough.

1274
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 3: I may not like your opinion, bill Band, but damn it,

1275
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,119
I respect it. And I have to say, Cisco and

1276
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:28,840
Ebert are not happy. They're looking down from above, not

1277
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,880
happy that you didn't give it zero stars.

1278
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. Zero, rob yeah, Robert zero. They

1279
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:37,320
both yeah killed. I didn't think it was that best,

1280
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:39,199
all right, all.

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01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: Right, that wraps up this week's episode. Thank you so

1282
01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:43,719
much for hanging out with us. We really appreciate it.

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01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,199
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01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:49,320
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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,119
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01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:55,639
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1287
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:58,559
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01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:00,000
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01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:03,599
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1290
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,840
the nineteen eighties. Until then, stay awesome and have an

1291
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:07,679
excellent to everyone.

1292
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,719
Speaker 2: There's something strange going on between the two of you.

1293
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:12,400
I don't know what it is.

1294
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,159
Speaker 3: I don't want to know.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for staying up with us. Good Night world,