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Speaker 2: Five stud s and me.

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Speaker 3: Greatest go on.

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Speaker 1: Yes today and listening watching Lim always keep its watching

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and now you're hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bubo Fame Cliff.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited, man, I missed Mike the last time he

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was here. I mean that listen to two is Micah

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Hanks show, and then I also enjoy Sasquatch tracks, so

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I'm really stoked that I get to speak to him today. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about a guy who's well rounded in various

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weird fields. Man, Micah is one of these guys. He's

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totally in the UAP thing, the UFO stuff. He's got

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a super deep interest that goes back a long ways

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in the Bigfoot and god knows what other weird stuff

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this guy's into. He's a weirdo. Love him for me though.

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He's just a friend. It's just someone I see occasionally

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at these these away gigs and stuff. It's so funny.

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The first time we had him on it was I

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didn't even realize how active he is and like writing

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things and podcasting and He's just some dude I know

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and became friends with. I didn't know about his qualification.

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So Micah, thanks so much for coming back on Bigfoot

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and Beyond with us nerds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, it's always great to be with you guys. Bobo again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't ever get to catch up like this,

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so I'm really looking forward to this too, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's been going on, Mike? I mean that

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lot's been going on. I mean that the UAP thing

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seems to be spitting and just and I wouldn't say

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out of control because it's always teasing, teasing, teasing, like, oh,

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we're gonna tell you this, We're going to tell you this,

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and then they tell us something that pretty much everybody

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already knows anyway, Like, is that it has been your

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main focus lately or have you been delving into other

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weird stuff?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: I try to keep one foot, you know, firmly planted

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kind of in both the worlds of Sasquatchry but also

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UAP and you know again the artists formerly known as UFO's. Yeah,

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there's been a lot of news lately. There has been

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some new stuff coming out. There are some promises of

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things forthcoming. I'm sure we'll get into all that, but

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there was also a bunch of stuff that was recently

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released that we kind of already had access to with

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some notable caveats. But I'll just begin by just saying this,

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and I think it's a good philosophical point to observe.

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People have really warmed up to the idea that there

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could be craft of unknown origin phenomena in our skies

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that could have very strange origins, and yet many will

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still balk at the idea of there being a large

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anthropoid ape somewhere out there in the remote wilds of

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North America now here present. I'm pretty sure that we

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would all agree one of those seems like a less

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extraordinary possibility, and yet people still turn their nose up

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at sasquatch. What's up with that?

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Speaker 2: People?

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Speaker 1: Man, they're the worst.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That is the simple and probably the most elegant explanation

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is in it, though, you know.

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Speaker 2: It just seems like no matter what kind of release

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or non release, it all seems in the end, whoever

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has the controller it wants to maintain control some how,

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not just how they release it. But the perception goes

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like people with power that especially this power to release.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and really, what are your thoughts, Micah, what is

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the benefits of an ape in the woods at the

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end of the day, Not much, right.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's not the kind of thing that, you know,

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the defense establishment in the United States is going to

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see as being a potential concern. Now. You know, some

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that would be concerned about that, right, and not so

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how people would respond if there were widespread acceptance of them. Again,

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that's a whole discussion we could get into. But really, fundamentally,

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like you say, Cliff, it's probably not the kind of

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thing that people are as worried about as the idea that, oh, gosh,

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there could be technologies flying around in our sky and

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we don't know who's piloting them or where they're from.

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really do. Well, you know, I say it a lot.

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selling weapons to people who eventually use them against US.

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I just don't see that monetary interest there in the

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Bigfoot land. And some people might argue and push back

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by saying the logging interests, but I just don't think

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that's enough, because that's not the kind of level of

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economics that the arms industry, like the military industrial complex

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deals with on a daily basis. Right, Yeah, the one

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interesting thing, and you've no doubt seen these these are

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well known documents, but I think it was the US

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Department of the Interior that had kind of broadly put

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would be the response if a creature like sasquatch were acknowledged,

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but in that document it was essentially saying, you know,

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scientists would have to respond to this. There would be

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protection efforts. You know, we would have to consider a

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lot of things about public safety because there would be

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a change in the way that people would be going

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going there for, what they'd be doing. So there is that,

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been a what if. I don't think that was sasquatch

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disclosure circ in nineteen seventy eight, right.

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Speaker 1: No, No, not even close. And of course, when you

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think about it, sasquatches are already there. Do you really

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need to change much of anything? I would argue No,

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I mean you probably want to protect some maybe core habitat,

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like maybe you'd have an increase in the number of

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acres of wilderness area for example, you know, where things

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like you know, logging and road building and cars and

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even bicycles aren't allowed to operate, like complete pristine virgin land.

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There's so little of that left in the United States

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or even North America really in general, although Canada and

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Alaska are kind of exceptions to that. But there's so

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little of that left. I think that more land would

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probably have to be set aside. And I'm one hundred

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percent in favor of that, you know, because my background

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is actually oddly enough, in fishing. When I was growing

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up in southern California, I worked at fishing tackle stores

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and stuff, and at the time, in a my more

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immature brain state, I didn't quite understand it. But there

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was a law that they were trying to push for years,

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and I was against it at the time because they

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were going to shut off like about I forget how

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many square like miles like five miles of coastline on

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the backside of Catalina Island of fishing, so no commercial fishing,

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no sport fishing, nothing, And I said, can oh, that sucks,

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as some of the best fishing, right. I wanted to

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go fish sea bass and stuff like that. But they

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eventually passed the law, and I was a disgruntled, little

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immature boy, and I go, okay, but let's screw them.

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three to five years, fishing in the surrounding area was outstanding, outstanding,

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you know. So just a small, little protected oasis for

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these fish to live and breed and not have any

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pressure on it all had a huge boon to the

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entire fishing industry essentially in that general area. And I

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do in the ocean. You leave it a section or

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two alone, and great things come from it. So I

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think that's the consequence of proving sasquatches are real protected

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areas where chunks of land can can recover from the

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pressure that humans put on it on a regular basis

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and all the surrounding lands benefit from it.

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Speaker 3: Amen to that. And you know, Matt prot and I

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we've been out there in the woods together and we

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always say we can get out there, we can spend

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time a whole weekend and we can see nothing, but

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we're always appreciative of the time we've spent out there

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in nature. And so for me, you know, conservation is

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a huge part of the whole sasquatch equation. Again, so

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much we could say about that, but yeah, just to

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echo your cent amount one hundred percent, buddy.

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Speaker 1: And it's also not like you aren't allowed to go

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into these areas. You are allowed to go into these areas.

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You just can't bring motorized things with you. You can't bring

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a chainsaw, Okay, deal with it. So it's basically just

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for backpackers or people who want to hike for the day.

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It's not like that you aren't allowed to go there.

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Because I hear people screaming about that a lot, Like

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if bigfoots are going to be proven, then they're going

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to close off land and you won't be able to go.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that at all. I think that's

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I think that's a fear based, small minded view of

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the situation. You will be allowed into those areas, you

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just won't be able to bring machinery with you, so

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you can't drive, Wow, leave your car at home, or

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leave your car at the trailhead. You can walk in there.

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That's what that area is for, just like you.

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Speaker 3: Would, you know, encounter if you're in a bear sanctuary

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or an area that is you know there's a there's

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a significant population of any kind of wild animal. You're

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going to need to be aware that that animal is there,

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like Yellowstone or any place. But people certainly are going

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to go there, and that's going to actually again probably

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improve not only general awareness of that habita, but again

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that conservation.

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Speaker 1: Effort exactly exactly. And what you're really going to hear

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all the screaming and crying are basically from the bots

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on social media, because remember the recent studies have shown

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between forty to sixty percent in some cases of all

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social media accounts, no matter the platform, are robots. I

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can sympathize with the bots.

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Speaker 3: And again, you know, it's it's unfortunate that so much

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of the discussion about again what once we're known as UFOs,

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but now they've kind of been rebranded as unidentified first aeriel.

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UAP designation. But you know, half that debate right now

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on social media, Cliff, really is exactly what you're talking about.

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It's people with extremely opinionated worldviews fighting back and forth

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and then bots just eagging them on, which is one

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reason I'll alert your listeners.

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Speaker 2: They weren't.

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Speaker 3: They're probably not going to find me very much on

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social media. I have accounts, I'm not active. I avoid

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all that. The real conversations happening in you know, dialogue

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like this, let's find out what's known, what's unknown, what

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we hope to find, and what can we learn about

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what's already put out there right not on social media.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, you have such an expansive background in

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these subjects, and I'm not really a UFO guy, and

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I've seen a couple of them. I think they're cool,

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and it's just it's just not my thing, you know

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what I mean, It's not what I hooked me, but

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I am interested in it. I don't study it, but

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I'm interested in it. And one of the things I

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don't really understand. Maybe you can shed some light on this,

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And this's probably a very simple bait, basic question. Why

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did they change it to UAP as opposed to UFO.

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Speaker 3: That's a really good question. So the use of the

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word unidentified aerial phenomena, I've actually dug through existing government

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documents that have been around for decades. The earliest reference

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I've seen was from an FBI document from I believe

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back in maybe nineteen forty nine or so that referred

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to unidentified aerial phenomena. Now, they were just using a term,

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the skies that people might see and they might call

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aerial phenomena, So let's just call them unidentified aerial phenomena,

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and that was the terminology used in a report called

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the Project Condine. Report was finished in two thousand and then,

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essentially when the United States kind of started following up

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in recent years, we saw that with first the UAP

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Task Force and now the official Pentagon investigative office called AERO,

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the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. They essentially said, you know,

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UFO was really stigmatized. People immediately think little green men.

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Let's try to sanitize this a little bit and use

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a different term so that people think about this in

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terms of, Okay, this is a defense issue, it's a

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national security issue. We're taking it seriously, and if there

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are things in the sky we can't identify, we want

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to know what they are without leading with the assumption

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that we're talking about little green guys and flying saucers. So,

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in a nutshell, that's why they use UAP nowadays.

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Speaker 2: Well, also because those flying where these things, a lot

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of them are trans medium they're seeing going in and

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out of the ocean and observed underwater, So I guess

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that's part of it too, right.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Bobo, that's a really good point.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a crucial point because many observers in

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the military in recent years have claimed that they have

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seen these things, like you said, coming out of the

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ocean or going into the water, and that's nothing new.

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I mean, there are reports going all the way back

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to the old US Air Force Project Blue Book investigation,

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which lasted a couple of decades, still the longest systematic

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US study were actually studied by any government that's known

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to the public. But they had reports describing UFOs coming

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out of the water and going in as well. And

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then there's the possibility they may enter Earth's atmosphere from

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space and vice versa. So yeah, the idea was aerial

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phenomena was too limited. They shifted to anomalist to account

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for those trans medium capabilities. So you're spot on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, it's a clever use of an acronym. Anomalist

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is at an aerial Yeah, that was literally the next

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question I wrote down for you. Yeah, what about those

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like the ones in the water. I mean, because at

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the end of the day, liquid is kind of like

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a thick gas. It behaves much of the same way

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a gap. Of course, the atmosphere is made out of gas.

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The Ocean's clear they made out of liquid, right, it's

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just denser molecules at the end of the day, so

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they behave in a similar manner. And of course when

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you get up the space, there's basically no medium that

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they're flying through, you know, it's just more more or

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less a what's close to a vacuum? I think that

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if I remember right, once you get outside the atmosphere,

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like further away, I think the density of molecules is

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something other terms of like one molecule for cubic cubic

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meter or something like that. So it's close but not

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quite to a vacuum. Right, So these these ocean going

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things are probably using the same sort of technologies I guess,

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And if I mean what little I know, it's it's

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not exactly a Well, let me ask you, is anything

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known about the propulsion mechanisms, because I mean, I watched

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that that a documentary recently my wife had me watch

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and they kept talking about gravity things, and gravity is

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not a propulsion, it's an attractive force. Is there anything

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in any of these talk abouts that you have looked

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over about about the propulsion technology or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I've looked into a lot of it. And

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I'll say this, first of all, there are different schools

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of thought about whether the phenomena that have long been

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recognized as UFOs, and I'm a student of that phenomenon.

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I've read books about this, you know, going back, I

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mean really most of the major literature about this. Yes,

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these phenomena have been described as traffic, can enter water,

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come out of the water, They allegedly travel into an

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out of space. But there's some debate really as to

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whether what the Department of Defense is studying is necessarily

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the same thing in all instances as what traditional UFO

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buffs right would call, you know, UFOs or aerial phenomenon.

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Now that said, there's a lot of concern about, you know,

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what kind of capabilities these things exhibit. Are these really

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simple technologies drones, balloons, things like that that are being

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used by foreign adversaries. We'll leave all that aside for

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a moment, because I think the ones that people are

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most interested in are the idea of actual anomalous craft

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that come from someplace far off right. The theory would

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be that there would have to be some kind of

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a field propulsion. They aren't exhibiting, you know, some sort

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of traditional you know, propellant force like what our jet

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aircraft or our rockets use to get around and in fact,

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one of the most intriguing things about some of the

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military imagery that's come out in recent years, and by

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that I mean really since the turn of the millennium.

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One of the best known cases from two thousand and

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four involves the famous Nimitz incident. But these objects, whatever

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they are in these pieces of footage, they don't seem

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to show any kind of propulsion mechanism. There's no exhaust,

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there's no heat signature, so it would have to be

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we would assume, rather than some kind of a propellant

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using chemical propellant like rockets do or jet fuel, these

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are some kind of a field propulsion in theory, and

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that would be a way that these can seemingly traverse

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mediums going through air into like you mentioned water, which

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has a very different kind of composition but essentially would

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still support a object that could move if it were

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being propelled with field propulsion, and then the same thing

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in the absence of any kind of a medium in

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the vacuum of space. So that would be one theory,

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but again it's really open to conjecture. I guess in

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terms of what exactly it is, what that technology might represent,

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how far ahead of it could be. And I will

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say this too. One of the recent US government studies,

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which was the Defense Intelligence Agency program known as the

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Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program, that did actually look

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at futuristic technologies that might be feasible in the decades

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to come, but that could you know, maybe explain some

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of the things we're seeing that UAP do right now,

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weird things that they're able to do. So that's definitely

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been a focus of some of the government studies too,

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which in itself has become a bit controversial. But I

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would say that field propulsion might be a simple answer

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in terms of what we think they might be doing.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

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Bogo will be right back after these messages. Yeah, field propulsion.

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That that sounds fancy and I have no idea what

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that means.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's break that down. So the general principle

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would be that you're going to you're going to use

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forces like, for instance, you're going to manipulate gravity, or

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you're going to manipulate some kind of you know, you know,

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for instance, you know, electromagnetism in some way that moves

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a craft through space without propelling it like a jet does,

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which essentially is just firing energy. And of course there's

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a whole lot of energy, but there's a you know,

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quite a quite a cost to that energy as well,

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and distinct limitations. Hence, while we have mid air refueling

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for our best military jets and things now UFOs or UAP,

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we want to use that term, the way that these

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are described and the way that they are observed moving

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is in no way, shape or form similar to our

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conventional aircraft. If anything, it's more similar to drones. But

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we also don't see propellers, we don't see you know,

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the kinds of things that we would associate with drone aircraft.

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So if there's some sort of an electromagnetic propulsion or

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if I think bo you may have actually said anti gravity,

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did you throw that in there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if we're if we're talking about some kind of

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a technology along those lines, that seems to be the

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leading idea, and then of course we also have these

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ideas like warp propulsion. Miguel al Qubieri was a scientist

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back in the nineteen nineties who worked out the physics.

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We don't have this technology yet that we know of,

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but the physics behind this is that you could warp

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space in front of an object and it would be

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able to move through space by warping space around it

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rather than actually moving, which is kind of a four concept.

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But just think like Star Trek when they go to

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warp drive, they're warping space around their spacecraft. So that

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also has been put on the table. The simple answer,

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we just don't know. This is all purely hypothetical, but

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that's one reason why some of these studies have looked

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into these technologies and their feasibility. We want to try

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and know if there's somebody out there who's already figured

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this stuff out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and my buddy I saw one one night when

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we were down on the Lost Coast camping. It was

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like a boxy type structure straight sides, it had straight

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sides to it. Then the front of it was flat across,

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so it was like three quarters of it was a

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box and the back trailigeron had a slight like roundtail

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to it. It was kind of like it came out

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in like sort of like a half oval shape. But

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not that traumatic. It was. It wasn't like a real round.

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It was you know, slight. It just buls out a

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little bit more than the outside rails on the forward

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leading side. And then it had like a like it

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looked like a like a neck like it looked like

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a turbo shell with the neck sticking out of it.

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And then like the head on it like it had

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a like a shovel head shark like like it. It

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looked like that look like the head of a shovel

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head shark on like a neck attached to this like

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squirreish body with a rounded off tail. And this black

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like like a black flashlight beam would come out of

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it like shoot out in front of it, and it

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would like blink out and then the and it and

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I know that they feel like light can only go

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so far. It doesn't stop. This this stopped. It went out,

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it shot out, and then then the the craft whatever

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would would would just instantly fling into the like to

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where the end of the beam was. It did that

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like there'd be like a slight pause which in each

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burst of the beam that it would and it was

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moving you know, pretty fast. I mean, I mean it

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wasn't like fashioning I've ever seen, but it was and

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flew up over the mountains, and then it went up

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to the highest coastal peak on the west coast of

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the West coast of the US, King's Peak. It flipped

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the King's Peak and then went down into the canyon

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in a big flat canyon, and we just were like amazed,

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and it never came out. And then I'd seen these

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bunch of times back in the early nineties where we

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saw those like little round, those little round pulsing lights

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that flashed different colors and then zip all around like crazy.

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We saw two of those over the ocean, just doing

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those super erratic patterns, and they dropped, they dropped over

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the horizon. Maybe they're dropping in the water, and it

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looked like they're dropping over the horizon, and they shoot

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up above the horizon and zip all around crazy and

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then and they eventually just like went down over the horizon.

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Never came back up for about an hour. But yeah,

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like I always tripped on that. And I saw the

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UFO guys and the head I forget he was the

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head move on investigator for North America. I always had

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a conference with him. Really cool guy. Anyways, that he

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said that he knew a really well respected researcher that's

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seen that, and then he said he knew another report

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of that from someone that was like, you know, like

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the guy checked out, But have you ever heard of that?

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Speaker 3: You know, I have heard of those, And in fact

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that the first one you described is really interesting and

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it reminds me a little of the descriptions of some

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military witnesses during a famous incident that occurred a minut

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Air Force base back in I believe nineteen sixty eight,

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So there are at least some similarities to the way

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you described that, which I actually find really interesting, Bobo.

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It's a very interesting incident. But long story short, there

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were the crew aboard a B fifty two Strata Fortress

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that were flying over this object that had gone down

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below them and had taken either a position on the

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ground or was hovering close to it. And when they

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flew over it and banked, they looked down and they

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described seeing something that was essentially oval, but that there

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was sort of a necker and extension in this kind

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of a front bumper thing, which, if I'm understanding your

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description of what you say you saw, it sounds kind

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of like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why the six I didn't. It didn't

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look like this surminded it. It's those those big snow

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walker things the Machines and Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back.

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It kind of looked like just remind me that like

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a like a neck sticking out, not a super long neck,

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but like a neck. And then yeah, like that shovel

477
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,400
head shot. It was. It was Bizarrely, I was gonna

478
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,279
say it was big, dude, because when it flew down

479
00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:24,720
behind it flew into the it flew down next to

480
00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:28,119
kings Peak, down into the into the canyon. We were

481
00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:32,200
guestimating that it was four hundred yards long and like

482
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,799
maybe two hundred yards wide. It looked at me about

483
00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:36,400
and we were a couple of miles we were probably

484
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,240
we were about five or six miles from it when

485
00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:39,359
it dropped down into there.

486
00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:40,599
Speaker 3: That's big.

487
00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was really big.

488
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very interesting though. That's a heck of a siding. Yeah.

489
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the three times I've seen it.

490
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,519
Like I've literally had like one hundred different sighting events

491
00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:55,079
over my lifetime, and there's only I think there's only

492
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,599
three that I could see the shape, and that was

493
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,079
one of the three. The restaurantlways just pulsing lights.

494
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:00,559
Speaker 3: See, I got to come out in the woods with

495
00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:01,359
you guys more often.

496
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: Right, Well, these these turned out. When I met Mike Rugg,

497
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,200
we got that run round the Santa Cruz, the oh guy.

498
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,000
What was that the name of it, Bigfoot Discovery. He

499
00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:15,440
had the Copre Tourist Discovery Museum. He he was the

500
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,160
movefine investigator for California back in the seventies, eighties and

501
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,400
early nineties. And I said, m I said, yeah, I

502
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,400
go from like eighty nine to ninety three. We watched

503
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,319
these things all the time, and I saw a black triangle.

504
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,880
I saw a black triangle. Yeah, Like I never heard

505
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,319
anyone else say this. And that thing that told me

506
00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:32,799
about he only heard a couple people talk about the

507
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:36,079
one with the neck. He said that he'd heard this,

508
00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:39,000
he'd heard this before, but not very much. Was this

509
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,519
thing was flying what over the one on one High

510
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,480
which is like one of the three main north South arteries.

511
00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:45,880
It's the coastal route that runs along the west coast

512
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,640
of the United States, So it's one of the three

513
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:49,559
arteries that goes up and down. So so it's amazing.

514
00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:53,920
It was July third, just after sunset in nineteen ninety two,

515
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,640
and it was coming down over the freeway coming from

516
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,960
northwest head southeast and it was just like it was

517
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:05,559
still a little bit blew over the horizon to the

518
00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:07,480
west and then to the east. It was completely dark,

519
00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:09,720
so it was dark. It was like it was it

520
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:12,839
was probably five ten minutes, so total darkness. And I

521
00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:14,680
could see this thing coming. I'm like, what the heck?

522
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,160
And then I told I told the driver to pull over,

523
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,400
and we got out. We all washed it, and it

524
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:23,240
as it flew. As it flew its direction, it kept

525
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,759
the same course. But it looked like it looked like

526
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,960
when you have a little kids bowling and you put

527
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,319
those bumper those inflatable tubes down like the gutters, so

528
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,279
the ball just bounces down so it hits the pins

529
00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:36,160
so that it can't go off, like it just bounces

530
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,480
back and forth, but it keeps going, you know, in

531
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,559
the one direction it like, you know, towards the pins.

532
00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:43,000
That's what this thing was doing. It like it was

533
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:44,799
like it had invisible guide rails on the side. It

534
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:47,720
would and each time it did a little ricochet and

535
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,400
then and then it would change course, you know, like

536
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,799
you know, just as it headed southeast, it would just

537
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,400
bounce like it it looked like there was invisible barriers

538
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,839
that kept it from like it looked like it was

539
00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,279
going to shoot off to the direct south or direct east,

540
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,400
but it would like hit some in visual invisible bearer

541
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,640
and then whatever was the leader. Say there was ABC

542
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:07,920
points for the three points of the of the triangle,

543
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,000
like A would it bump and then it B would

544
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,319
be the lead one, then it would bump again, and

545
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,000
C would be the lead one. Like it it constantly

546
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,599
did that how high and there was no there was

547
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,160
I guess they usually have three like a light in

548
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,559
each corner, like three lights or whatever, and there was

549
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:27,960
no lights on this one. It was just completely black.

550
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:30,279
And it was big too. That thing was We were

551
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,359
guessing that they had to be at least to one

552
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,079
hundred yards on each each rail each side.

553
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds very consistent in terms of size. And

554
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:41,279
you know, would you believe I actually get more of

555
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,519
those reports probably than almost any other kind, maybe with

556
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:48,079
the exception of the little round orbs. But it's it's

557
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,920
recently been discussed even by some of the officials, including

558
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,279
the current Director of arrow doctor John Kazlowski. He has

559
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:56,480
said that they have been receiving reports of those triangles

560
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:59,240
and they find them very interesting because apparently they don't

561
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,000
believe that those belong to any kind of government organization,

562
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:05,039
any kind of contractors. We hope it's not some sort

563
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:07,519
of foreign adversary. I mean, in my opinion, I don't

564
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:10,079
think that that kind of technology has been proven to exist.

565
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,839
I mean, and yet people still say they see these

566
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,039
things like yourself. And I've been getting reports for the

567
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,599
better part of two decades, so I mean, yeah, that's

568
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,039
that one has always been one of the most interesting

569
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,680
classes of UAP in my opinion.

570
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: And I mean if you've heard a little of doing that,

571
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,119
like but like about like like the like switching which

572
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,640
was the which which point corner was the lead, like

573
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:32,759
just back, like switching back and forth, back and forth

574
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:33,599
sort of.

575
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 3: It almost reminds me of descriptions people have provided where

576
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,200
they say that those large triangular craft are they move

577
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,039
almost like a water skipper or like a water bug.

578
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,319
If you think about how they kind of move slowly

579
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,440
and then they'll kind of speed up, you know, and

580
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,279
then they'll slow down and they'll kind of hover and

581
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:51,559
then they'll speed up and move, but they'll bounce in

582
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:54,880
different directions. I have actually heard those kinds of descriptions

583
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,839
before for sure.

584
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one wasn't like it was a constant speed

585
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,440
that never never chan speed and it was dead sound.

586
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,079
I mean, well we were on the freeway like it was.

587
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,240
It was. That's that's saying what I was saying. It

588
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,720
was July third evening because it was it was like

589
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:11,799
a Thursday, like a Thursday or Friday before fourth of July,

590
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,880
or maybe it was a Wednesdays. It was like a

591
00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:16,559
five day weekend or something, but it was it was,

592
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,119
you know, it was like that night when everyone's traveling

593
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:21,920
and it was the free was packed that we saw

594
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,480
maybe one or two cars within a couple of miles

595
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,960
of us pull off the road and we were like,

596
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,599
I guess looking, I don't know if I don't know

597
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:30,359
if they're looking or not. But I mean, it wasn't

598
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,000
like a bunch of people pulled over like and there

599
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:34,559
was thousands of cars, like there must have been eight

600
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:38,000
thousand cars that had a chance to see this thing. Yeah.

601
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,079
Speaker 3: See that's the part that gets me. I know, there

602
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:41,519
are a lot more people out there, and I would

603
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:43,720
say the same about Sasquatch too. I mean, there are

604
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,079
a lot more people probably who have observed all these

605
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,599
kinds of phenomena then who are willing to come forward

606
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:51,960
and talk about it. And again, if you could just

607
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,480
get everybody who has seen these things or who's very

608
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,359
intriguingly and I've heard some stories on this podcast, you know,

609
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,119
about alleged imagery of sasquatch and things like that that

610
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,640
hasn't been publicly released. But again, if people didn't feel

611
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,880
so encumbered by those stigmas and felt that they could

612
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,960
openly talk about this and share what they've seen or

613
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,519
even photographed, we probably have a whole lot more data

614
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,559
about these phenomenon. I bet you there are some excellent

615
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:16,680
photographs of these big triangles that you know, people have

616
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:18,759
probably taken and they just never put out there because

617
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:20,759
they didn't think it was something they should, you know,

618
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,759
release to the public for whatever reason.

619
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

620
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,160
Will be right back after these messages.

621
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:39,759
Speaker 2: We were talking about propulsion out like we're having some

622
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:43,720
of our sacred historical cows led to the slaughterhouse, you

623
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:47,079
know recently in Big footing, you know, like, oh, things

624
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:51,359
that we thought were legit that maybe aren't. These historical

625
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,920
couts that people quote, and this one, I know, this

626
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,519
one's rememberable lot of people because James Fox always says

627
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,279
it's his favorite sighting is the Zamora sitting from the

628
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:04,319
sixties down and I believe New Mexico. Yeah, and when

629
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,119
the craft because I guess there's a lot of evidence,

630
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,960
like physical evidence, you know, where the where the landing

631
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,599
gear hit and all that, and you know he was

632
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,160
he's a great witness. But when that, I mean, I'm

633
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,480
not I'm not debating, I'm not doubting his observation or

634
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,359
or what he experienced, but just the fact that it

635
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,279
took off him like it made noise and it had

636
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:24,000
like it it had a flame that came out of

637
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:26,160
it and like smoke like it was like I always

638
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,319
thought like that's but he said that he said he

639
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:31,880
saw aliens outside of the craft, Like so that's because

640
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,759
I was I always I'd always think that that that

641
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,799
just sounds like that if if the UF, if the

642
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,559
US government was making flying aircraft that you know, anomalist

643
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,920
aircraft like that, that there's that we still don't have

644
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,240
anything like it today and they were supposed to doing

645
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,880
this sixty years ago or whatever. I always saw like,

646
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,160
if if we had a like that would be the one,

647
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,680
because like it sounds yeah, like sounds like an internal

648
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,400
combustion engine. But James Fox, he said, he goes, no,

649
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:00,519
I don't think it was an internal us an injin.

650
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,119
I was like, well, why would it have flames and

651
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,640
smoke coming out of it, you know of it? Because

652
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,279
he said it wasn't like on fire like the guy

653
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:09,279
A Zamora said, it was just like the that was

654
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:12,880
the propulsion was causing, like like a turbo afterburner or something.

655
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really great case, and you know, really

656
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,799
briefly to touch on that in case anybody isn't aware

657
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:21,799
of the specs on that one that Bobo's describing. The

658
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,880
Lani's a More incident or the Sikoro incident. It happened

659
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,240
on April twenty fourth, nineteen sixty four. Lonnis and Moor

660
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,319
was a police officer. He was actually chasing the guy

661
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,920
who was speeding through town and he saw initially like

662
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,000
what he thought looked kind of like a flame up

663
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,640
in the sky, and he thought that this might have

664
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,480
something to do with a TNT shack, which was a

665
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,960
concerning possibility. It was a shack where they stored explosives

666
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,119
up there on the top of the hill, and he

667
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,160
thought something might have exploded, and so he drives up

668
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,119
there and at that point, like you mentioned, Bobo off

669
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,960
down in the arroyo, he sees something and at that

670
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,400
point he kind of interpreted it. He thought, you know,

671
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:58,680
just glancing at it, oh, a cars turned over in

672
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:02,119
some kids are standing next to that overturned car, so

673
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,079
maybe they're in trouble. I'll drive over there and try

674
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:07,160
and help. And he recalled seeing two beings. He said

675
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,599
they looked small and that they kind of started, you know,

676
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,799
like they were startled by the side of the car.

677
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,079
Then again, he was in a police cruiser, So I mean,

678
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:16,599
if I was a kid and the car just overturned,

679
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:19,599
I'd probably be kind of concerned too. But you know,

680
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,799
as he got closer, he realizes it's not a car.

681
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,039
It was some sort of an egg shaped or oval object.

682
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,519
And as he is pulling up, yeah, it starts lifting

683
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,200
off the ground. And he said it was making a

684
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,880
tremendous loud, thunderous roar, and it was so loud Zamora

685
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,160
thought it was going to explode, and so he actually was.

686
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:39,960
He jumps out, you know, I think he was actually

687
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:41,880
already out of his patrol car. But he runs around

688
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,759
behind it and he dives onto the ground, takes cover

689
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:47,119
because he thinks it's going to explode. And once it

690
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,279
gets up to a point where it was about level

691
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,440
with where his vehicle was up on the hillside below

692
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,839
the little arroyo where it had landed, he said, the

693
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,240
loud thundering noise stops. And when it was rising, You're right,

694
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:01,160
there was a flame what seemed to be some sort

695
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,000
of propulsion mechanism that was lifting it up off the ground,

696
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,400
and flames are shooting out of the base. But then

697
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,480
when it got to that height, he saw all the

698
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:11,000
sound stop, the flames disappeared, and then it just zipped

699
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,559
off silently. Now it's weird because there appear to be

700
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:19,240
two different propulsion technologies in use right there. One of

701
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,039
them we don't know what it was, but one certain.

702
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,079
You know, it really does actually sound very similar to

703
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:26,119
a jet or a rocket kind of propulsion. One might

704
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,160
even argue it was consistent with like a hot air

705
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,880
balloon in some ways in the way it was described.

706
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:34,279
He never got a good look at the little people

707
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,039
that he said he saw outside the craft, but he

708
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,160
said there were definitely two little individuals who had been

709
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,279
outside it when he initially pulled up. And I'll tell

710
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:42,839
you something fun about that. David marl Or a friend

711
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:45,240
of mine, and he runs the National UFO Historical Record

712
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:48,039
Center in the Greater Albuquerque area. David and I drove

713
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:49,920
out there and we got up there to the site

714
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,119
where where the landing actually happened back in April nineteen

715
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,279
sixty four, and we stood up on the hill and

716
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:57,039
looked down there into the arroyo, and you can still

717
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,960
see the rings of the stones or the Air Force

718
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,400
officers had gone out there and they'd put those around

719
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,480
where the landing gear had touched down. I mean, it

720
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,480
was really cool. I imagine if you could go to

721
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,920
like a famous Sasquatch sighting location and the footprints were

722
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,440
still there. It's almost like that. We don't really have

723
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,720
that luxury and Sasquat's research, but we do have that

724
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:16,799
with the Sicoro case.

725
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what did you so, what did you guys determine,

726
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,799
like what could have been the sources of the propulsion?

727
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,559
Speaker 3: I don't know. Now, I will say this Project blue

728
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:29,359
Book looked into it, and at that time the director

729
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,839
of Project blue Book was Hector Quintinia. He was extremely skeptical.

730
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,079
He was convinced there was some kind of a lunar

731
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,079
landing module or some kind of a you know, a

732
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,200
landing gear for a spacecraft being tested, and he looked

733
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,759
at all possibilities and never could find any evidence that

734
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,599
that's what that was. To this day, there's never been

735
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,000
any kind of confirmation if that was any kind of

736
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,279
a special US technology. But to your earlier point, you

737
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:58,160
hear a story like the Sikoro incident, if the US

738
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:00,279
was developing some weird let's say that was it's some

739
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:03,799
you know, experimental nuclear technology, like a nuclear propulsion system

740
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:06,000
they were testing. Or maybe it was some weird experimental

741
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,280
balloon like a two man you know, balloon aircraft, you know,

742
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,400
high speed balloon type aircraft. I don't know. I've tried

743
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,920
to go through every possibility, from extremely advanced to deceptively

744
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,480
simple but really weird looking right, I couldn't tell you,

745
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:21,800
but I would say it sounds most consistent with either

746
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,920
some kind of almost like a balloon kind of a

747
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,679
takeoff and landing for vertical and you know, takeoff and

748
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,159
landing situations, or or it's some kind of a rocket

749
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,119
like propulsion. But it's not impossible that that could have

750
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:35,840
been one of ours. The thing is, it's just never

751
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,199
been acknowledged. So that's a weird one. And again it

752
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,880
is a unique case because the principal witness was a

753
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,159
member of law enforcement who swore throughout the rest of

754
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,960
his life this is what I saw. I was right there.

755
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:49,119
I don't know what it was. Nobody else does either.

756
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,760
So it's really personally one of my favorites. And I'll

757
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,480
also say this Bobo superficially, at least the shape of

758
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:59,079
that object is somewhat reminiscent of the famous two thousand

759
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,079
and four object that was seen there off of the

760
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:04,119
coast of California, out there in some of Cliff Barrickman's

761
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,599
favorite fishing waters out there in SoCal where the Nyman's

762
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:08,480
incident took place.

763
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: Well that's what the nimits was.

764
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was out there off the Baja California coast

765
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,599
in two thousand foot Baja. Yeah, so in general area.

766
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,639
Speaker 1: Geographically, Yeah, a lot of stuff seems to happen just

767
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,800
out in the south of San Diego, so that would

768
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:23,679
be Baja as well.

769
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well north of Catalina is that Catalina and nominally

770
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:29,760
like right, I mean, I'm looking right out where that

771
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,559
spot is actually the one off La Venti area.

772
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: That's the is that the underwater feature they say is

773
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:36,719
out there.

774
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of so, I mean, I think

775
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,559
it's so. When I was talking to some UFO guy

776
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,480
and he told me that that is the third hottest

777
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:52,559
spot for US underwater submerged objects that unidentified submerged objects.

778
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,159
He said, that's one of the three hot spots in

779
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:56,079
the in the globe.

780
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I have some colleagues actually as well, doctor Matthew

781
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Shadagas and some folks with the Scientific Coalition for UAP

782
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:06,679
studies that. By the way, it's really the only group

783
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,679
that I'm a part of. I've never really been one

784
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:10,239
of those. I'm going to go join all the groups

785
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,519
and do that, But I did join SCU and it's

786
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:15,480
a group of scientists they study UAP and some of

787
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:18,960
them did some investigations out there in that same area

788
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:22,840
and they actually did film something unusual. But the Nimitz

789
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,719
incident again is really one of those intriguing ones because here,

790
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,000
in addition to the video that we have seen, which

791
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,559
most are probably familiar, back in twenty seventeen, New York

792
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,800
Times did the article that kind of first released that

793
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,280
there was this investigation within the Defense Intelligence Agency. Accompanying

794
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,880
that reporting, there were three videos released. That video had

795
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,679
actually been out there on the internet for years. It

796
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,400
had already been in circulation. But again, when you have

797
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,159
a couple of FA eighteen super Hornet pilots who said

798
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:52,599
that they went out there, they were vectored out there

799
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,480
to investigate because there was an unusual radar track. They

800
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,400
see something that was moving really weirdly over the ocean's surface,

801
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,559
and they were this royling kind of bubbling up from

802
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:04,960
underneath as though there was something under the water where

803
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,159
this object was moving around, and then it zips right

804
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,679
by the lead pilot, a Commander Dave Fraverr. And then

805
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,800
they said that they got a similar track on radar

806
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:17,039
moments later at what's called their cap point, which was

807
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,960
a designated position that only they knew of and that

808
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,320
they were using for a position for their training exercises

809
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,960
during their wargame exercises that afternoon. So later that afternoon,

810
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,639
they sent out another group and another pilot named Chad Undwood.

811
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,639
He was actually the weapon systems operator on board and

812
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:35,360
out going FA eighteen at that time, basically the guy

813
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,119
who's working all the weapons systems and the cameras. He

814
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,840
actually gets a track on this object out there in

815
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,199
the distance that they can't identify, and so he zooms

816
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,440
in and films it for a few seconds, and that's

817
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,480
the famous footage we've got. But I mean, in my case,

818
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,320
that's a really weird one. And those objects were allegedly

819
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,079
observed on radar dropping from like ninety thousand feet, which

820
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,880
is higher than any of our aircraft go with the

821
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,559
exception of maybe there are some spy planes that can

822
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,159
get on up to seventy eighty thousand feet. Balloons can

823
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:03,639
certainly get get up that high. But they said these

824
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:06,280
objects would drop from ninety thousand all the way down

825
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,360
to sea level. And you know, again, that would be

826
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,719
impossible for any kind of aircraft that we know to

827
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,880
exist to traverse that distance in that amount of time,

828
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:17,119
considering G forces and all these other things. I mean,

829
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:18,039
it'd be ripped to shreds.

830
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I saw that happen that the night

831
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,440
I had my craziest UFO encounter by far, and the

832
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,800
only one I had where it was up close.

833
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: That's here.

834
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 2: This is what we did. We went out, well, we've

835
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,360
been watching these things at this point for like three

836
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,840
years and going up to this place, Patrick's Point State Park,

837
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,400
and I was listening to like one of those big

838
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,320
UFO podcasts, and there was a guy on there who

839
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,480
had a daytime thing happened up there at Patrick's Point,

840
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:48,599
and it was like he was like within two hundred

841
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:50,239
yards or where we were, but ours was at night.

842
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:52,119
We went out there, and my buddy was a San

843
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:54,960
Diego State professor. He was a he was a wild

844
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:58,400
dude and he's you know. I was just saying, like,

845
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:01,119
then you can you can communicate with things like non Verby,

846
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,719
Like you know, you can think things and they can

847
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,199
pick up what your thought and they can give you

848
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,199
a thought back. Like I didn't have like big long

849
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,800
conversations with them, but just well, i'll tell you the

850
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:11,679
first time I ever saw the UFO. I'll just tell

851
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:13,239
you real quick. I'll get you the brief runt down.

852
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,559
It's a long start getting a quick one. I was

853
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:18,800
going to my very first bigfoot where I was the

854
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:21,480
first person to hear about this. My buddy's roommate in

855
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:25,280
college was fishing up up in Ooric and it's on

856
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,519
the south border of Redway National and State Park. And

857
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,559
he was fishing for salm and the sun run and

858
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:35,639
it was mid October and it was really foggy and

859
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,280
and Redwood Creek is really like a river. It's it's

860
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,920
deep and fast flowing like you know, during the rains,

861
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,760
and it just rained. So there's the world's biggest hell

862
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,079
curds right there. So he'd hear these elk come down.

863
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:50,719
They'd come down and it's it's it's a levee system.

864
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,320
The levee starts right there before it goes through challenge.

865
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,840
It's a wild river, creek whatever coming down. And then

866
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,719
I guess on the edge of town. And when the

867
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,639
valley spreads out it they put in levee walls, so

868
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,320
he the right where the levee start. He'd hear like

869
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,760
the gravel and sand coming down and like, you know,

870
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,719
something big coming down, and then he'd see the elk

871
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,559
and the elk with he'd hear him surge in there.

872
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:13,800
He couldn't see him, he could hear him come they'd

873
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,679
surge across the creek and then their feet wouldn't touched.

874
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:20,199
And so when they like he could hear him swimming like,

875
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,519
he'd hear him come into the creek like directly across

876
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:24,960
from and then he'd lose he'd hear the legs, you know,

877
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,440
get softer and software as it got deeper in the water,

878
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,440
and sleighs weren't, you know, making too much noise, and

879
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:32,440
it'd go something. As they swam across and floated, they'd

880
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,480
hear him surge out they decided to just blow them,

881
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,079
and he'd barely catch it. He'd barely be able to

882
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:39,440
see him barely. Then also he heard something like he

883
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,400
thought it must be the biggest bull elk like on

884
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,119
the planet come down. And it surged in the water

885
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,360
so he can clearly hear it on two legs, and

886
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,920
it was like way louder than the other things. It

887
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:51,280
never lost footing and serged across the whole way and

888
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,760
it and as it came ashore, it was way closer

889
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,119
than the elkwhere when they came across, and it just

890
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,320
looked at him and just kept walking about eight foot

891
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,840
and just built like you know, like just like like

892
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,440
the biggest NFL linebacker ever saw eight foot eight hundred pounds,

893
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:08,039
and like he just he came back and crapped his

894
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:11,000
pants and told us. And I had my license suspended

895
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:14,320
at the time, so I couldn't drive, and so I

896
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,920
got these girls to get me a ride up there.

897
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,719
And they were kind of like hip each like toll

898
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,639
hipya chicks. They were cool, and so they went. They

899
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:22,679
were all upseted, said and I and he twent exactly

900
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,719
where it was. I'm like, this is the first big

901
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,880
foot investigation. I'm going to like, well, I'm not. I

902
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,199
saw I'm reading something John Green wrote about it was

903
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,000
some of these paper articles I read. It was like

904
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:33,000
I heard it. It was that day. Like everything else

905
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:35,320
I everything else I'd ever followed up on was like

906
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,199
years or months old. So this was like I was like,

907
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,880
oh my god, I let me see it, Like this

908
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,800
is crazy. So we were driving up to that night

909
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,760
about seven o'clock and Clever it was dark already, and

910
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:50,280
we see this white and red light like mostly red. Yeah,

911
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,039
it was was. It was flying north of Trinidad, Trinidad,

912
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,239
heading towards Patrick's Point out over the ocean, and we

913
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,800
drove up and then it kind of was hovering just

914
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,800
just west of turned out northwest of turning out over

915
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,880
the ocean. We pulled over on the side of the

916
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,159
one oh one say, the same highway. The other happened

917
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:11,079
on about thirty miles south. This was this was before

918
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:14,400
that by about three years. And so we're up in

919
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:18,480
north of Eureka there and we washed it and we

920
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,679
were pulled over on the side of the road. We

921
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:21,000
were watching it. We could see there was another car

922
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:22,760
pulled up, like, you know, one hundred yards or so,

923
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:24,639
one hundred ThReD years ahead of us. We could see

924
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:26,960
there's another car pulled up, pulled over also and walked

925
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000
like you always seemed washing because they pulled over like

926
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:31,760
when we did. And we're well, he was actually pulled

927
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,280
over already actually, And so we got I said, I

928
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:35,960
I know the perfect probably we go out to the

929
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,280
Wedding Rock off of trinidaud and State Parkers is rock

930
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,079
that juts out in the ocean. There's there they kind

931
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,880
of trail out up into it out of the rock

932
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,840
itself and then the rock like they just carved stairs

933
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,159
in the rocks. It sticks out in the ocean. So

934
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:51,159
I said, let's go up there. So we jammed up

935
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:53,320
there and went out there. We sat on the rocks

936
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,079
and we saw that that that that ship that just

937
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:00,679
flew off and went way up high. But then we

938
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,559
start seeing we thought they were stars at first, but

939
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:06,000
they were like pulsing, like they weren't much betterer than stars.

940
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,440
They weren't super bright, but they started getting brighter and brighter.

941
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,039
They they came lower and lower. They just they just

942
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,800
zig zag like crazy. And there was this one there.

943
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,039
They were like purple, white, blue, purple, white, red, red,

944
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,920
white and blue blue and green, blue and white, green

945
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,599
and white, green, white and red whatever, and like they

946
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,920
would just pol these different colors and like like it

947
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,840
was like a heartbeat almost, it looked like and they

948
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,360
there's this zigzag like with no no rhyme or reason.

949
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,800
And then and the girls they had had a bunch

950
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,039
of UFO encounters out in the foothills of the Sierras

951
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:41,800
at a famous God. I found out later it was

952
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,519
a famous UFO spot, like really well known, like God

953
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:50,599
south of Sacramento. It's by Angels Camp anyways, So they

954
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:54,400
were calling it the mothership, the mother ship, and so

955
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,480
we you know, we watched that, and then I looked

956
00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:58,480
at the girls, because there's this one green and blue

957
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:00,400
and it only it only flashed green maybe like a

958
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:02,119
kind of purple ish a little bit in there too,

959
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:04,880
and it just was not as erradic, and it was

960
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,960
way smoother and like more graceful. And I looked at

961
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,679
the grocery. I said, you know, look at that one,

962
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,360
that purple green one whatever, purplely blue green one, and

963
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,840
and they were like you. I said, I think that thing.

964
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,679
And we all say the same time. A female and then

965
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,960
the one girl, Cassie's like, she's like, yeah, you know,

966
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,920
if we if we cross our legs and put our

967
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,280
palms out, like we sit like that lotus position you

968
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,519
like like boot it does, and you like put your

969
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:32,679
make loo the ok so your thumb and forefinger and

970
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,480
then put your your middle finger through your pinky straight

971
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:38,440
out right and you put them upside palm up on

972
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,239
your hand and like sit like you know, cross scissor

973
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,480
leg whatever. And so we did that. I was kind

974
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,199
of like, I was like, this is kind of you know,

975
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:48,760
like I normally to make fun of something like that,

976
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,440
but I was like this, like this, like they I've

977
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,800
never seen these things before. They have, so I'm just

978
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,480
doing all what they say. So we did it, and

979
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,559
I said, well, let's look at it and ask it

980
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:02,079
if you're a female spinning fast, tight circles. So on three,

981
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,519
we'll just you know, like, you know, say it mentally.

982
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,280
And I don't know if we said it verbally or not,

983
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,719
but we definitely like, also, let's just say it like,

984
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,360
we'll send it a message of if you're a female

985
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:13,960
spinning fast, tight circles. And so we go, all right,

986
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,880
that's one, two, three, and if you're a female spinning

987
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,440
fast ten circles, and we're a female, and before we

988
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,559
finish the second line, it just goes and like spun

989
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:24,559
and really fast, really tight circles, like faster than anything.

990
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:25,039
All night.

991
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

992
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,360
We'll be right back after these messages.

993
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: So anyways, three years later, right, we'd watch these things

994
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,119
probably at this point in time, like eighty times over

995
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:46,480
the three years, we'd go up there and just watch

996
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:48,960
at night, and the well, we saw one actually that night,

997
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,599
that's that's okay. Another green and blue one flew over

998
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:54,519
the one O one, which is at night, it's really

999
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:56,440
slowed down, like especially in mid October. There's not a

1000
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,159
lot of traffic, but one of them flew over the look,

1001
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:01,840
there's a good right, there's some coastal lagoons right to

1002
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,039
the north, and it flew over big lagoon, stopped over

1003
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:08,559
the one, and just like a whole huge like light

1004
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,760
like came out of the bottom of it and lit

1005
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,800
up a you know, like a couple hundred yard area,

1006
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:16,159
and it was it was I don't know, like several

1007
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,880
hundred feet up a couple hundred feet maybe three well,

1008
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:20,960
because the red was there can get up to three hundred,

1009
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,000
so this this thing was like probably four or five

1010
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,280
hundred feet above above the ground. And it shot a

1011
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,239
beam down and we saw cars going, like one or

1012
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,880
two cars going to east, north and south stopped they

1013
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,559
wouldn't drive into the beam. And then it did that

1014
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,239
for like I don't remember, like two minutes. Then it

1015
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,440
flew around there with its beam on, and then it whatever,

1016
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,960
it just took off the beam stopped, it flew away,

1017
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,079
and it wasn't too much longer after that that maybe

1018
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,280
an hour after that. This is probably this is at

1019
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,119
this point, it's three thirty in the morning, and five

1020
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:56,679
fighters justs came from the south and they went out,

1021
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,199
they went towards the little flying ever orbs I guess,

1022
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,800
or UFOs, and and they all just shot up straight

1023
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,079
into the sky and it's just like they must have

1024
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,079
been going like ten thousand miles an hour or whatever,

1025
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:12,920
and they just and they zoomed up and like literally

1026
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,440
as soon as they took off, within two seconds, they

1027
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,000
were like gone, like I couldn't see them. And those

1028
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,559
fighter jets all flew up and like went towards them

1029
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:25,599
and didn't even go five seconds in the direction those

1030
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:29,760
those craft went. And then they flew like regrouped and

1031
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,480
flew back the way they came from. Yeah, here's a

1032
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,000
good part that they just see this this part real fast.

1033
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,440
My buddy Kell said, if we can pick these any things,

1034
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,039
pick us up. If I think we can pick I

1035
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:42,719
think I think they want to pick us up. They

1036
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,719
I kind of got. The best is they wanted me

1037
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,960
to get on board, like it sounds crazy, and they

1038
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,199
like like oh, like being eager, just like oh they

1039
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:51,880
wanted me. I'm a special But it was like I

1040
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,840
think it was like anyone wants you that. I'm sure

1041
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,960
they just like, yeah, if you want to, I don't know.

1042
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,079
But we went up there, me and my buddy and

1043
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,280
we climbed out on that rock and we sat there

1044
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,679
in that position and we said, we're ready to go

1045
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,719
for a ride, come pick us up. And that mother

1046
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,079
looking ship one was it appeared way up high and

1047
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:11,000
then all the way to the horizon, probably about fifteen

1048
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,440
eighteen miles out, it just dropped straight down. I just

1049
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,840
remember thinking, like like when a spider drops down the

1050
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,440
web and it stops and it kind of does that point.

1051
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:20,119
It just kind of stops with a little balance like

1052
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:21,679
kind of it did that, and then it just started

1053
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,920
rushing towards us and we start we're just like we're

1054
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,440
like I I something in my head just instantly started

1055
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,000
saying like this inner voice started like guardian angel, whatever

1056
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
you want to call it was saying Bubbo, these things.

1057
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,760
I just remember I remember this clear. This there was

1058
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,960
it was my own voice saying, Bubbo, these things mean

1059
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:39,920
you like no good with like this is these are

1060
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,679
not good for you do not like you do not

1061
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,760
want to do this. But I was frozen, dude, like

1062
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,360
like I was like hypnotized. Like maybe it's just shocked.

1063
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,440
You could say whatever, but I mean I was frozen,

1064
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,199
and my buddy was just I remember, and then I

1065
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,719
was fighting it, fighting it, and then I was like, Bobo,

1066
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,679
you better. I was just talking to myself like her

1067
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,079
third person. I was like, you better get up and

1068
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:02,320
get going. You you're gonna be screwed, like you're gonna

1069
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,039
get probed or whatever. And I was like, this isn't

1070
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,280
good then, And I remember as soon as I snapped

1071
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,920
out of it, after about ten seconds on this thing was,

1072
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,800
you know, rapidly approaching. Was it was over halfway towards

1073
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,800
us at that point from the horizon and coming fast

1074
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,840
and was flying probably forty fifty feet off the water

1075
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,800
or something like that, and it was coming quick. And

1076
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,840
I looked over my nick Nick, and I grabbed started

1077
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,920
shaking him, and his mouth was wide, like he looked

1078
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,079
like a like a comic strip, like his mouth was

1079
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:33,599
all the way over, but his eyes were popping out of

1080
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:36,960
his head and he was just slack jawed, frozen, just

1081
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:40,800
like just in utter shock. I remember I started shaking

1082
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,599
him and I slapped him in the face twice, kind

1083
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:45,400
of hard, and I started running, dragging him by his collar,

1084
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,760
just dragging him over there. It's granite, you know, It's

1085
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,599
like the steps were all cut out of rock, so

1086
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,639
I'm dragging him n his granite steps. Then he he

1087
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:56,119
starts scramming, like getting on his hands and feet and

1088
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,039
like crawling real fast. And then he found I guess

1089
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,400
to his feet and we ran. You just take and

1090
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,360
then he passes me that almost knocks me off the

1091
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,599
cliff and runs it runs like you know, and we're

1092
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:08,760
both running on the pathway the rocky you come down

1093
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,760
the backside of the rock and at this point we're

1094
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,480
out of side, we're out of side of the of

1095
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,679
the craft coming towards us. And we ran and we

1096
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,880
came up and you drop down a sea level and

1097
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,440
then you go back up and it's I think the

1098
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,320
cliffs like oh, eighty ninety feet up it's about one

1099
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,639
hundred feet and as we're going up the tailers, it's

1100
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:27,920
overgrown on both sides of these big bushes that are

1101
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,679
like eight eight foot tall ten foot tall, and so

1102
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:32,199
we couldn't see things and the news. We got closer

1103
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,239
to the top where there's a parking lot up there.

1104
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,039
As we got there, we you just see the red

1105
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:42,480
white mostly red light lighting up like the trees, like

1106
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:44,719
the whole area around us. Because if you get up

1107
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,159
to the top. There's red woods all around it and

1108
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,280
sick of spruce, like you know, pretty it's all second

1109
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,320
third growth, but there's you know, there's still tall trees

1110
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,280
like you know, one hundred, one hundred and fifty feet whatever.

1111
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,800
And so we run up and then and then and

1112
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,880
then it comes into view and it was like holy.

1113
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,920
It looked like an upside down lava lamp, but a

1114
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,440
little more compact, not a skinny. It was like like

1115
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,719
like if you squished a lot of lamps like topp

1116
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,440
the bottom and it spann it out to the side

1117
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,559
a little bit upside down, you know, just pulsing like

1118
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:16,079
red and white. We're like, oh my god. We ran

1119
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:17,440
up and we were in the parking lot and then

1120
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:19,760
it comes up and it was silent and it rises

1121
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:25,239
up over the trees like and stops about I don't know,

1122
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,320
like two hundred feet from us. And it was up

1123
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,960
you know, like probably one hundred feet one hundred feet

1124
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,519
probably one hundred feet away, and then two hundred feet

1125
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,880
up something like that, and all of a sudden, out

1126
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,239
of it like you couldn't see this, like you couldn't

1127
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,239
see like the side. He couldn't see the physical structure,

1128
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,679
but you could see the outline of the I mean

1129
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,920
you couldn't see any any sense of like what it

1130
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,559
was made like, it was just a shape, but it

1131
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:51,840
was no hard edge. It was just pulsing lights. And

1132
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,000
then this like red looking hockey puck about five foot

1133
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:58,039
by two and a half foot comes out of it

1134
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,360
like you didn't see anything open, like no open, It

1135
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,840
just came out of it. And then it flew over

1136
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,000
us really slowly and stopped behind it, and I remember

1137
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:10,440
we both we were both like so frozen. I mean

1138
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,199
we both were looking looking look like as it went

1139
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,480
over were killing our heads up and we both fell

1140
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:16,800
on our like on our ass because we just we

1141
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,079
didn't turn, We just were looking at We were frozen

1142
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:21,440
with our head following it. So we leaned so far

1143
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,199
back looking backwards that we just both fell over. I

1144
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,119
still got a little scar on my ellbow from that actually.

1145
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,360
And then it stopped, and then over the course of

1146
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,840
the next like minute or forty five seconds, it just

1147
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,519
also choom cheam chom chim chimed. These red little basketballs

1148
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:41,320
come shooting out of it like like like like it

1149
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,639
came out of the the hockey puck looking thing that

1150
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,079
just they shot out like one hundred miles an hour,

1151
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:50,000
and within fifteen feet they were just floating like you know,

1152
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:53,159
like two miles an hour, and then like one hundred

1153
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:55,159
of them came out or so on. As it came

1154
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:58,360
in through the canyon. There's a fur fur silk colony

1155
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,880
right there. There's a sea lion call on out past that,

1156
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:03,760
so there's there's hundreds of pinning pads in there, and

1157
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,079
they all went crazy, dude, like crazy, like like like

1158
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:09,840
maybe if a bear got down there or something like

1159
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,960
you know, was grabbing like a sea lion, like they'd

1160
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,760
make a noise like that, but it was like that

1161
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,159
kind of noise like like predator, like there's a predator

1162
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:19,599
in the group. And they just went nuts. And then

1163
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,280
those red balls came out. We heard car doors slamming

1164
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,000
like all of a sudden, headlights coming out of like

1165
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:26,880
you know, like when the campsites always saw a couple

1166
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,239
of cars like flooring it out of there, just gunning it.

1167
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,159
And then we just were like, I'm like, let's dude,

1168
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:35,519
let's go, let's go. And I remember looking over towards

1169
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,280
the north of us there was a family and they're

1170
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,519
roasting marshmallows like just you know, one hundred yards from us,

1171
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:43,440
you know, one hundred and fifty yards of the most

1172
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,039
and they're just sitting in their ropes with and like

1173
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:48,639
some of those red orbs were above like the trees,

1174
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,159
just just above their heads. And they, as far as

1175
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:53,679
I know, they never saw them. And we start running

1176
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,719
out of the park. And as you run out, we're

1177
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,880
running through the meadow, which is constantly enough the meadow

1178
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,840
and Jurassic Park where they have the overhead shot where

1179
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,639
they're going through the grass and the velociraptors come from

1180
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:06,880
like six different angles out of them, like converging on

1181
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,400
them overhead. That's the meadow we were in, and we're running,

1182
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,159
and then this other dude was running out of the

1183
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:16,719
tree line where the other campsites are, and he's dragging

1184
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,719
a tedd You could hear his like states claiming as

1185
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,159
he's dragging his tennis, sleeping over his shoulders, and he

1186
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:24,480
looks over the shows there's some weird going on here, man,

1187
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,079
And we're like yeah, we just kept running, and then

1188
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:29,639
we ran up to where the employee housing was, you know,

1189
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:31,960
like maybe a quarter mile away. We ran and the

1190
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,760
hockey puck was following us. The whole way behind us.

1191
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,280
It just stayed back along the tree line like maybe

1192
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,679
you know, eighty one hundred feet up and it just

1193
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,800
you know, was following us. And then when we got

1194
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,760
to where the employee housing was, that it stopped and

1195
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,679
we didn't see it anymore. But there was two park employees.

1196
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,679
I don't know what they were, like biologists or landscapers,

1197
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,480
I don't know what they were, but they were sitting

1198
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:55,599
there on the back porch. There's two of them there watching.

1199
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:57,559
I said, you gotta call the costs, right, you gotta

1200
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,800
call like the newspapers. You got to call the government,

1201
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:02,599
go call the air Force. And they're like just shaking

1202
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:04,920
their head like we're not calling anybody. And that then

1203
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:07,159
we didn't see anything after that. But yeah, that was

1204
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,559
the That was my encounter. Have you ever heard like

1205
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:12,639
something like those balls getting shot out before? Man?

1206
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 3: I tell you what, Well, there's a lot going on

1207
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:14,880
right there.

1208
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: I have heard, well, well, right now, bobes. It's kind

1209
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,960
of makes up for some of those other episodes where

1210
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:20,880
you don't say very much.

1211
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 3: I got it. I've been hearing that Bobo had some

1212
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:26,840
amazing UAP stories, and I'm thrilled to be able to

1213
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,039
hear these. Actually finally we've we've been meaning to do

1214
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:31,239
this for a long time. But uh, yeah, I have

1215
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,400
heard some things similar to those, and.

1216
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: And like you heard of like a hockey puck coming

1217
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,519
out and then shooting out basketballs, I.

1218
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,079
Speaker 3: Have heard of.

1219
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,079
Speaker 1: I have heard of something that all in sports fans

1220
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:43,280
is what he really wants to know.

1221
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I had one witness who saw one of

1222
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,719
the big triangles over Oregon say that he saw an

1223
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,719
object that and the way he described it was it

1224
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,239
looked like a burn barrel. But he' said a red

1225
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,440
burn barrel rose out of the back of the craft

1226
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,360
and moved independently and started flying around in doing what

1227
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,159
he said looked like a grid search. So I actually

1228
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,280
have heard of He didn't explicitly say a hockey puck. Yeah,

1229
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,360
but yeah, yeah, he said, you know, just like you'd

1230
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,079
take a big, you know, tub or a barrel or

1231
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:12,360
something in stack wood and everything and start burning that

1232
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,159
and everything. He said it looked just like that, like

1233
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:16,000
there was like fire or something coming out at the

1234
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,960
top of it. So it wasn't really hockey puck shaped,

1235
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,840
but it was like kind of like I guess you'd

1236
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,239
say some sort of a glowing kind of sort of

1237
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:26,239
you know, cylindrical shape, and that that came out and

1238
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,480
moved independently from the larger primary craft. So I mean

1239
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:33,119
I have heard about that, just not necessarily hockey puck

1240
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:35,800
in description. But one more thing to Bobo when you

1241
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:41,280
talked about meditating or conveying your intent to these craft,

1242
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,039
and also the one that did the circular kind of

1243
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,559
motion when when you and the hippie chicks were kind

1244
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:49,800
of meditating at it. There was a study that was

1245
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,440
done back in the nineteen seventies called Project Identification, and

1246
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,679
there was a physicist named doctor Harley Rutledge who was

1247
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,840
with I think he was one of the universities there

1248
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,280
in Missouri, but they had an official UAP study. These

1249
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,480
things were being seen all the time, these lights that

1250
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,400
would zip around, and there were colored lights a lot

1251
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,239
like what you were describing earlier in that account. And

1252
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,920
he said that in some instances they could point at

1253
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,239
these things and they would move around or they would

1254
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,880
change their their direction in response to seemingly somebody pointing

1255
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,559
or acknowledging them. So that as crazy as that might

1256
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,800
sound to people who don't read deeply into UAP, literature,

1257
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:27,760
you know, for somebody to say, yeah, I was conveying

1258
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,559
a thought to the thing and it seemed to respond.

1259
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,920
There's actually a lot of that in the literature, and

1260
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,400
in some instances scientists like Harley Rutledge claiming that he

1261
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,159
actually had that experience. He in some of his students themselves,

1262
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:40,719
but they also described those lights moving around like you

1263
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,000
were talking about, and the ones that do the zigzags.

1264
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,960
That's what gets me, because I mean, if we're just

1265
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,840
talking about satellites or meteors, you know, generally speaking, they

1266
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,079
aren't going to do zigzag movements, right, And so yeah,

1267
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:54,440
that is extremely interesting.

1268
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

1269
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:01,920
We'll be right back after these messages.

1270
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: Have you heard of like like shooting balls out like that.

1271
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:16,079
Speaker 3: I don't know specifically about shooting balls out, but but

1272
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:18,280
I could probably do a good deep dive into the

1273
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,280
into the literature and find that. And in fact, if

1274
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,760
I do find that, I'm going to send it to

1275
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,360
you because I'd like to see if I find anything

1276
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,280
similar to that in terms of descriptions.

1277
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I have heard of some uap stings where

1278
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:33,599
there's like a central bright light and then almost like

1279
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:35,719
a drones are set out from it, like where there's

1280
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:39,519
a cloud of smaller ones kind of circuling it, circling

1281
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:42,440
it in erratic patterns and whatnot. And again I am

1282
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,000
no connoisseur of UFO stuff at all, like like you

1283
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:48,519
are clearly, But would that be maybe something similar to

1284
00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:51,400
what Bobos has observed up close and personal?

1285
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: Maybe, Michael, Sorry, I forgot one detail about when when

1286
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,559
the lava LPP flew up. There was going on from

1287
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:01,920
like shiller to waist up like left shoulder to like

1288
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,239
right waistline, like on each side there was one of

1289
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:09,159
those red balls flying around really fast, like really fast,

1290
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,519
doing like what you know, like there was two of them,

1291
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:12,960
certain you know what I mean. It looked like it

1292
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,079
was wearing like a like a beauty pageant sash, like

1293
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:18,039
going from shoulder to waist, and it was doing that

1294
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:20,639
like around the craft.

1295
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, huh, I've heard of things like that. You mean,

1296
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,679
like there was an independent light that seemed to be

1297
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:29,119
moving in a circular kind of a formation around the

1298
00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:30,079
little craft.

1299
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:31,719
Speaker 2: There was one on each side, like one going from

1300
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,760
left shoulder to the right waist, so one from right

1301
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,039
shoulder to the left waist like you know what I mean.

1302
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,199
Speaker 3: I've heard things like that. See. I actually run a

1303
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,719
site called the UAP Sidings Reporting System. I launched it

1304
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,079
in early twenty twenty four just as and there are

1305
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,719
others that do this too. There's the National UFO Reporting Center,

1306
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,519
which has been running since the seventies and they've been

1307
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,400
doing an amazing job collecting really one of the world's

1308
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,239
largest databases. But I launched another one just because I

1309
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:58,320
wanted to see if people would start reporting sidings to me,

1310
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,440
because I wanted to study those and you know, case evaluations.

1311
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,000
Sure enough, I get them from all around the world

1312
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,960
now and it's incredible, it's it's super awesome. And I

1313
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:10,000
have gotten a few where people have described little independent

1314
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:13,400
lights on a craft that seemed to move independently, like

1315
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,199
that are almost moving around it. And every now and

1316
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:18,199
then you also hear those descriptions of things that sort

1317
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:20,960
of sound like you described like a lava lamp in appearance,

1318
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,840
maybe a different shape, but it has a lava lamp

1319
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,199
kind of a you know, look on the exterior. Is

1320
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:26,840
that how you would say that what you saw looked?

1321
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know what, you know what I

1322
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,960
remember I forgot this part too. Well. We saw it.

1323
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:34,679
We both said later, like, I remember, I'm looking at going.

1324
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:38,199
Whoever made close sometimes of the third kind they have

1325
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,079
seen these, because those ones that the one of the

1326
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:43,159
cop car chases and it goes through the toll booth,

1327
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,880
it was just like that, but scaled up a lot bigger,

1328
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:49,440
but it was exactly that like that.

1329
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 3: That's crazy. I've got to come out in the woods

1330
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:51,719
with you, man.

1331
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,519
Speaker 2: Well I haven't. I haven't had any of this stuff

1332
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:58,840
happening for like, god, like fifteen years. I mean, I

1333
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,880
think I've seen like maybe three UFOs in the last

1334
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:03,400
fifteen twenty years.

1335
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:07,639
Speaker 3: God, that's still three more than I've seen though. Really, yeah,

1336
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:09,960
you'd think i'd be the kind of guy who sees

1337
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,519
these things all the time. Not to say that I

1338
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:14,440
haven't gone looking. But it's funny because you know, Matt,

1339
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,159
one time when we were out there in the Chattahoochee together,

1340
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:20,280
I believe somewhere somewhere out there, we won't name exactly where,

1341
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,280
but it was down in that area, and one of

1342
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,400
the guys had talked about a UFO siding that was

1343
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,679
made during a Sasquatch reconnaissance.

1344
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, yeah, I was.

1345
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:32,199
Speaker 3: I was telling you that story. Well, and also, you

1346
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:35,519
know our mutual colleague Lorie Wade. Two. Also, finally we

1347
01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:37,519
sat down, Cliff at that event that you and I

1348
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:39,400
were actually Matt you were up there too. We barely

1349
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,000
got to talk up there at the Crypto con thing,

1350
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:44,159
but Laurie and I sat down and we talked, and well,

1351
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:48,159
she told me quite an interesting story about her experience.

1352
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:49,800
So I know a lot of squatchers who have been

1353
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,239
out there in the field and have had incredible UAP sidings.

1354
01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:55,719
And again, Bobo, just to be clear, all that that

1355
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,320
you just told us had been in response to initially

1356
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,000
a guy reporting a Sasquatch siding.

1357
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. In the very second public BFR expedition in

1358
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,239
two thousand and four, we were in the Olympic Peninsula

1359
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:11,480
of Washington. We three different cameras filmed and least a

1360
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:14,599
dozen people's watched. We watched for I think it was

1361
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:18,599
a couple hours. Bright white ball the side. It was

1362
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:20,920
exactly like one third the size of the There was

1363
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,639
a full moon, like I think it was a full moon,

1364
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:25,039
but there was, well it was, it was a third

1365
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,239
I don't think there's a full moon. But if if

1366
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:28,800
the moon had been full like this would have been

1367
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,840
a third. It was a third the size of the

1368
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,000
moon and twice as bright, and it flew around like

1369
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:37,920
you know, real slow. Didn't do anything radical, but we

1370
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:40,239
three different cameras film that we like, I know people,

1371
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,239
I know two guys that still have that footage.

1372
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, I see that.

1373
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: But it seemed like it was like ten miles from us.

1374
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,199
It didn't had anything to do with us at all.

1375
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,559
It didn't, it didn't. We had no sense that it

1376
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:53,400
was even aware of us. It was so far away.

1377
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting, though, you know, I mean, I can't

1378
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,199
help but wonder sometimes, although I don't really personally endorse

1379
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:01,840
the idea, but I mean when people do talk about

1380
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:04,960
being out there looking for sasquatch and then they see UFOs,

1381
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,840
I personally do not think they're connected. But I'm just

1382
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,039
acknowledging that there are some in the research community, and

1383
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:11,440
Matt and I have talked a lot about this who

1384
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:16,039
they do make connections between sasquatch sidings and UFO sidings.

1385
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,039
I think they're distinctive phenomenal, but it is fascinating how

1386
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:21,440
many squatches I talked to who have said that they

1387
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,440
have seen UAP while they've been out there in the field.

1388
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:27,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they're connected either, but yeah, I

1389
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:28,760
think it's a sad I think it has more to

1390
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,559
do with having your weird and tena up. You know,

1391
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:34,360
if you invite weird things into your life, the universe

1392
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:35,559
will respond in kind.

1393
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love Also how back in the nineteen

1394
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,599
seventies there were enough sightings like this that UFO researchers

1395
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:45,039
started trying to make a distinction sort of, and they

1396
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:49,199
started referring to a unique class of UFO occupants called

1397
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:51,880
Harry bipeds as if to try and say that Harry

1398
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,360
bipeds were something separate from sasquatch. And maybe they were,

1399
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,400
I don't know. Again, in my opinion, they're they're very

1400
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:01,159
distinctive phenomena that or maybe maybe sasquatch at one point

1401
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:04,559
where the pets of UFO occupants, I don't know, I'm kidding,

1402
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,000
but it is interesting. And there was also this study

1403
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,360
that was done by the guys who wrote that book

1404
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,599
years ago called Freakonomics, where they were looking at the

1405
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:15,760
overlap between locations where people said that they saw sasquatch

1406
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,679
and where UFO sightings happened again. To me, it's very

1407
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:20,960
important to point out, and I think that they actually were.

1408
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,360
What they were trying to say was not that people

1409
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,679
see sasquatch in the same place where UFO sightings are happening.

1410
01:04:27,719 --> 01:04:30,519
It was that correlation doesn't mean causation. He says that

1411
01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:33,159
the factors that are probably contributing to why those kinds

1412
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:35,559
of sightings happen in the same locations. You're out in

1413
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:37,639
a place where it's dark sky, you can get good

1414
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:39,920
field of view, you can see for miles and miles,

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You're in a wooded area, and there happens to be

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overlap between the circumstances and the locations as opposed to

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the actual alleged phenomena. Those guys probably didn't think there

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was any such phenomena at all. But you know, in

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my opinion, I'm actually a staunch believe that there are

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aerial phenomena that can't be explained, and of course that

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there are probably relict hominoids out there. Yeah, I'm not

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in the these guys are all related camp.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, we have a lot more to

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talk about, Mika. Can you stick around please for our

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01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:11,400
members episode because we haven't even touched upon exobiology, like

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what might are there like entities or beings involved in this?

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Are they biological or are they psychologue? There's a lot

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of weird stuff since and I love topics like this

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because I'm by no means an expert in UFO stuff.

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Don't even study it. I just think it's cool. So

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I have a lot of pretty basic questions and pretty

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01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,639
weird ideas, and I'd like to run some of these

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ideas and get your thoughts on some of this stuff.

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So if you can stick around with our members episode,

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that would be amazing.

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Speaker 2: Let's please do. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love getting into the weird conversations, and in my opinion,

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Cliff nobody is really an expert when it comes to

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01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:45,039
UFOs on a topic like this. Everything's on the table

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01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:47,400
right awesome, Well, Bobba, why don't you get us out

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01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,440
of here and we can go to the members.

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01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, folks, we're going to go over a picture

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01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,599
on now, so you can sign up for five dollars

1444
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:55,480
a month, and this is could be one of our

1445
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,760
best guests we've had over there, because I'm never this

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01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,760
excited usually, So come join us please and so but

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until next week, everyone else, thanks, for joining us. We

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appreciate y'all and keep it squatchy.

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