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I just finished my body armor. I'm good to go.
I'm ready to talk a little football.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: You know that reminds me if Casey was here, he
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Speaker 4: His Power Aid or purple Power Aid whatever. Clemson there
dabble with helping me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he has like some type of weird bottle tea,
which as a as a South Carolina resident, I should appreciate,
but I don't really like it in the bottle like that.
You know, if you guys, if you guys haven't made
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Speaker 2: I would say, judge about the guests that you have,
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but then also the laundry list of guests that you've
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I would ask one if they want to come on,
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I've been shocked by some of the people have agreed
to come on.
Speaker 4: To fight Frank Yeah, no, that you guys always do
a great job. But what I love is like, and
I think this is what we try to do a
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you can tell like it's first and foremost about like
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sharing your level ball and then it's just sharing some
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and really put it together. So you know, like I said,
it's one of my favorite listens, whether it's you know,
comes out Wednesday or Thursday or whenever that guy decides
hit that button coming out, So you know, we're definitely
definitely always looking forward to that.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it, guys. It's been it's been fun.
It's been been interesting, but it's a lot of fun.
I quite enjoy it. I got to meet a lot
of good people doing it.
Speaker 2: We love it.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, I I'll say this last thing and
then we're going to jump into actual ball. The thing
that I appreciate most is just the convenience factor, and
I think that's that goes for a lot of people
because it would take me so long and I can
only imagine how many hours you've spent. It would take
me so long to to just coll through all of
the message boards to find these uh, these crazy fans
which the passion is what really makes college football better
than anything else in terms of the sports world. And
so with that being said, let's turn our attention to
week eleven in the SEC. We are an SEC focused podcast,
and so we want to we want to.
Speaker 2: Look there a little bit. The meltdown is something.
Speaker 1: That you talk about frequently, and we can only imagine
that meltdowns have been have been happening. Uh in Gainesville,
in Athens, in Baton Rouge.
Speaker 4: We wait, something happened in Athens.
Speaker 1: Craig covers Georgia and he's trying to be He's trying
to push it off right now. But of the three,
which one do you feel like is the is the
worst fan base meltdown between Florida, Georgia, and LSU.
Speaker 3: Well, it's I would take Georgia out of the equation,
believe or not. So it would either be out of
LSU or Florida, And I mean I would I would
probably man at a time, I would probably say Florida.
But at the same time, if anybody's ever been justified
to have a complete and total meltdown, it would be Florida.
After the last week that they've just had collective lea
with the announcement of you know, Napier coming back, and
then you had the golden stuff that was going on
out there, and then I mean they just went into
Austin and got absolutely destroyed. I mean they didn't. I mean,
they didn't look like daven Blog on the same field
as Texas for most of that game. So I mean
there was was probably worse, but it's hard to them now. LSU,
on the other hand, you know, it was a pretty
bad meltdown there too, but I don't think they're quite
nearly the position that Florida is.
Speaker 4: It seems like in Florida, like everything that went on
with in Gainesville last week, it was like this, like
you know what could possibly get you know what what
could possibly get worse? Like it just seemed like one
more like fire was coming after another, and you almost
have to wonder with everything that went on, the Strickland
get fired and do we see like this trickle effect
where you know, Strickland comes and says Napiers okay. But
then you know, with everything going out with the basketball coach,
he's somehow coaching it against Grambling, which I don't understand,
but like, could could you see something where the board
of trustees because you know, they're with an interim president
right now, where I wonder if like all three of
them ended up getting booed this year and it just
it's just I don't know if that would do any good.
But my goodness, like that was probably about the worst
week possible. I can only imagine what that pr will
look like day after day after day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they Strickland's taking most of the heat here.
Everyone's kind of sick of banging on Napier. Yeah, and
so they kind of move on to Strickland, if I
if I'm correct, they don't even have a school president
right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he stepped down, and I think they
have an interim which was the old president, which he did.
I think he's back in because Ben's Yeah, if this is.
Speaker 1: Was Strickland, this is why Strickland may release a statement
because it's it's technically his call.
Speaker 2: There's no president to step in.
Speaker 3: Right And if you're a Florida fan, do you want
Strickland to make the next hire? I mean it seems
like like I kind of agree with him that. Okay,
you got to start with getting rid of Strickland, because
if you want him picking your next football and basketball coach,
which both appear to be imminent.
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 3: I know they said they were keeping napier, but man
if if the next two games go like they did Saturday,
I mean, can you I.
Speaker 4: Mean, I don't, I don't know. I don't know how
you do that because they look somewhat competitive. Now, maybe
Georgia was solely complacent, or maybe they were driving too fast.
I don't know what happened a couple of weeks ago
in Jacksonville. Sorry sorry that was me, But like you know,
they look competitive, so you know, so I definitely, I definitely,
I definitely could see Florida being a mess. I will.
I do have to point out, though you posted something
funny earlier. Today, we've been talking a lot about Carson Beck,
and it sounds like the Miami message boards have said
that the Cavendar Twins, who I believe Carson's dating one.
I don't think he's dating both. I don't think Lamborghinis
can fit three people, but some are the Cavender Twins
for Carson Beck's trouble. And I just wanted to say
thank you because I've been trying to figure it out.
My editors keep telling me tell me what was wrong
with Carson. I don't know, so it seems.
Speaker 1: Like somebody may have said that on this show. I
don't know last week.
Speaker 3: But it couldn't be the offense, the line, or the receivers.
It certainly has to be the Cavender twins this fault here,
I mean, because and no college quarterback ever dates beautiful women. No,
I'm not sure that has to be. That's the one
common denominator here is that he has a beautiful young girlfriend.
So that must be what's thrown it off.
Speaker 1: So when you you said that it has to be
between Florida and LSU here, and the beauty of that
answer for me is in week twelve we get them
matching up. Is that the number one game that you're
watching for meltdowns this week?
Speaker 2: Or is?
Speaker 1: Or are we just going to chalk it up to
LSU's got too much talent against the third string Florida
quarterback and Florida is in full.
Speaker 2: Scale spiral and so how much more can they melt down?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I haven't looked at the
schedule yet, but that's probably when I keep my eyes
on it. If you're a Florida do you want to
win that game. Me, Okay, maybe you always want to win,
but would wouldn't you prefer to go in and get
beat by four or five touchdowns to try to put
some closure to this thing?
Speaker 4: And I don't know, if you're an l s U fan,
do you want to win that game? Because I guarantee
you the family is probably not too thrilled with mister
Kelly right now and his weird dancing.
Speaker 3: No, but I mean LSU still got a chance, I
mean think an outside chance of making the playoffs. They
have two SEC losses, and I don't think that their
schedule to close things out is too difficult. If I
remember right, I mean Florida and who else do they have?
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt?
Speaker 3: Vanderbilt.
Speaker 4: Okay, there you go. That's it right there, MBG, let's
talk about it. That's what gets So.
Speaker 2: I did the math. I did the math. And if
we are down the math, if we are down to
the the.
Speaker 1: Six way tie for second place, so let's say Texas went,
Texas wins out and they beat Texas A and M
and Chalk holds the rest of the way. Now, there's
a couple of questionable calls in there, Like I think
there's an Arkansas matchup.
Speaker 2: I think there's a maybe in Oklahoma and.
Speaker 1: Mississippi State matchup, But the third tier of tie breakers
which we're at, is winning percentage of conference opponents, And
so I worked, I worked all that math out, and
if and if it holds, LSU goes to the SEC
championship game against Texas. So Craig thinks that they're gonna
lose the Vanderbilt because and to this point, they do
have a problem with Russian quarterbacks. If you look across
the board at what's really giving them fits. You've got
Leonora Sellers, You've got Marcel Reid, You've got Milrow and
so now you go in and see what Pabia can do.
But I kind of like LSU's chances at this point,
and I think it would be absolutely hilarious if they
wind up in Atlanta after the way things are melting
down last week.
Speaker 3: Well, it kind of went the same way last year,
and last year they didn't make the playoffs, but they
were frustrated with Kelly early on, and then you know,
they kind of went on a tear if I remember right,
they kind of went on a tear there towards the end,
and everything everything was honey Dory there at the end
of the season with you know, Daniels winning the Heisman.
They finished kind of strong, so yeah, you might see
a repeat this year. But they're not happy with especially
not happy with Kelly right now.
Speaker 4: Isn't that wild? Though? It's like, so, Brian Kelly's been
nine and three both both both his first years, once
that SEC championship to US, had the Heisman Trophy winner
last year. Yeah, and yet we're talking about him getting fired.
Speaker 2: But ridiculous.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. But it shows what it's like for a
program with expectation, because you can't lose to Florida State
twice open the season, and you sure can't lose to
USC like they did to start the year this year.
And like it's just that's the thing about Kelly. Here's
the deal, Like you can't lose forty two to seven
to your biggest rival. You can't bring in the Tiger
King or whatever the tiger was that came in from
Florida and then just get housed in Baton Rouge at
night you hear about how great it is. So it's
like that fit is just not working, and it's you know,
it's just so That's that's why I just don't believe
in l she wits. I totally sound like I could
be on the LSU.
Speaker 1: Board of being a hater, but like he's a hater,
don't get it, but he's more of a Brian Kelly hater.
Speaker 3: I'll look at it this way though, if you're an
LSU fan in your episode of Brian Kelly, think back
when you hired Brian Kelly, the other two coaches that
everyone they might get with either Napier or Lincoln Riley
out of those three, I mean, Brian Kelly seems to
be the best of the three, right, you could have
you could have done worse.
Speaker 1: So so let's say that, let's say they do go
to the SEC championship game. I think we're all gonna
p Texas to win that game. So then you have
a three loss SEC champion and we're looking at the
final rankings loss I mean SEC, I mean SEC runner up,
SEC runner up, So you're gonna lose the So my
question is I know that game day is is primary
time to watch the boards for for Madness, what about
the selection show? I feel like it's going to be
wild to watch it because if l s U or anybody.
Any of these two loss teams loses to whoever in
the SEC Championship game, what are they going to do
with that team? Are they going to put a three
loss team in because because they made it to the
champ game and loss.
Speaker 3: Well, I look at it this way. If you're Alabama
and you've got two losses, would you rather just finish
third and not have to play the SEC Championship game
and not risk getting a third loss?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Georgia, Georgia and Alabama I think are there.
Speaker 2: And they are and they are tied.
Speaker 1: I mean they are third when you when you do
the math breakdown, If things hold the way I have
it laid out and LSU loses to Vandy, then it
would be bam when that goes in.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But if you're those two, let LSU go to the
championship game and lose to Texas and.
Speaker 4: Then you know, right.
Speaker 3: End up in whatever bottle, whatever bowl game it might
end up in, and you can kind of vacua into
the into the playoffs. Yeah. That's then again, I don't
know how many SEC teams are going to make the playoffs,
so you know you can still go in and lose
and make it but there's gonna be so many two
loss teams that don't make the championship game, and you're
sitting at three losses. I don't know that it's gonna
be interesting to see how the committee views that.
Speaker 4: All right, I got I got one. I got one
last question for you, mbg Okay, would you rather see
a three loss SEC team in the playoffs or a
one loss Indiana team?
Speaker 3: That's really hard because do I think of any of
those three loss SEC teams is better than Indiana? Of course,
I mean yes, But at the same time, would you
like to see what Indiana could do? Because maybe we're wrong.
I mean, maybe we're totally Maybe we're over inflating the
SEC a little bit. So yeah, but then all the
SEC teams who want Kurt Signetti can get a first
time look at it in the playoffs because that seems
to be the hot name for everybody that wants to
fire their coach. So maybe they'll get a referendum on
Kurt Signetti if they let him in. But I mean,
it depends on if you're doing It's the thing is
the incitivi NCAA basketball tournament. You want the best team
or do you want the most deserving team. Yep, yeah,
I mean I don't know, and the SEC's going to
end someone of the s is gonna end up upset.
Speaker 4: No, come on, they're so rational.
Speaker 1: I think that the notion that moving from four to
twelve to fourteen to sixteen or whatever we're going to
end up at that the bottom tier was not going
to be upset about who got in who did it?
The twelve versus thirteen debate this year is going to
be nuts, and I think it could be if it
hadn't been for Florida State not making it last year
as an undefeated.
Speaker 2: This could be the worst of people that we've ever seen.
But I don't know. That's gonna be hard to top.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine trying to only pick the flour best
teams this year?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I mean absolutely not.
Speaker 4: No, who would you?
Speaker 3: Who wouldn't even be I mean, the year's pass been
pretty clear, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I mean, the Florida schools are hot, bright.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's kind of rough week for the Florida, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It's tough, I mean, but but you have a point there.
If you were trying to pick four teams with all
the k that's gone on and you have to almost wonder,
does that twelve like everybody still having a chance, does
that create that more of that fight, more of that uncertainty, Hey,
we still have a shot here, We're going to fight
that much more. You know, you start to see that
little scrappy game tals, you know, trying to make that
those moves and stuff like that. Like you know, sir
big Spur over here, I'm sure we would go off
about his excel sheet and how South Carolina gets in
or something like that.
Speaker 1: But we have, like ESPN FBI has a fourteen point
three percent chance to get in.
Speaker 4: Those South Carolina guys, MBG. I don't know how we do.
Speaker 3: It, I hear you, but really, I mean, are you
would you feel confident saying that South Carolina wouldn't beat
Indiana or.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent? I'm picking South Carolina if we're talking
whether we're in Bloomington, or we're in Columbia or we're
in Atlanta, I'm picking the game cock right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And they're not even really in the picture, and
they're probably as good as most of the teams from
I don't know five on down.
Speaker 4: Right, I think the only team I probably wouldn't pick
is Missouri. I think Missouri probably lose to Indiana.
Speaker 2: Other than we'll take care of that for you this week,
and don't worry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Missouri doesn't look like they're Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, Dring thinks that they're great. But yeah, that that is.
Be careful, be careful what you're looking at there. You
might have to inspect the diet coach there. If someone's
thinking they're.
Speaker 1: Too good, well that's a good board to watch too, yep,
because that that'll be I don't I don't know if
there's still like this false hope amongst the fan base
as well that as a two loss, that they really
are going to make a running I may eat these words,
but I just don't see it.
Speaker 2: I don't think the talent's across the board, but it's quarterback.
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't know what Cooks status is and
he didn't really.
Speaker 2: Think I think. I don't. I don't think it's uh.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's been called out for good, but
just based on what I'm hearing from from that way,
it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Look good for this week.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks a lot for being here.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you coming on and talking about the
meltdowns across the SEC. As much as we love to
talk about the winners, sometimes it's great, as Craig has
experienced a couple of times this year, to just sit
back and what you're talking about and take take that
bitter medicine that is a loss, and nothing makes it
feel better then finding somebody else in misery. We know
misery loves company and we can all laugh together when
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We love the pod, We love everything you guys are doing.
And we're just over here trying not to make Genius
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Speaker 3: All right, we'll keep we'll keep you off that list.
Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate us fun. Thanks
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second with a brand new segment that I think you're
gonna want to hear about. Welcome back to it just
means more football and coffee. I'm Rob Williams. He is
Craig McMichael, and we are here. Let's get started, Craig
before we get to my surprise segment for this week.
Before we get to it, let's talk about Billy Napier
just really quickly. We touched on him there just a
minute ago. I think that Scott Strickland is betting on
himself because he has no other option.
Speaker 2: I think because they're lacking the president.
Speaker 1: I think that because he made the higher if he
cans Billy Napier, he's essentially writing his own death certificate.
Speaker 2: Because the only way for Scott.
Speaker 1: Strickland to pull out of this is for them to
actually make it to next year with Napier and for
some of these young guys Lagway and company to come
through and get them back to a winning season. It
is unprecedented what was happening in Gainesville. Three consecutive losing
seasons has not happens. It's the forties, the forties.
Speaker 4: But but but here's here's the problem that I have
is Billy Meapier was famous for saying scared money don't
make money. Correct said that famously Louisiana. Everybody loved it,
you know, we all thought it. It was a great quote.
We're like, oh, this guy is going to be the
next big thing. And the narrative I'm hearing in a
lot of media personalities is, well, hey, listen, the Gator
collective which has had some issues with paying players from
from from from from what I remember.
Speaker 2: You to your go to your own team and ask
Jadan Mashatta.
Speaker 4: Right right, you know Jade and Roshatta would like to
know when his check is coming. But everyone's like, oh, well,
you know all the nil money is and lagway that
freshman and sophomore class. You know they're gonna keep me together, and.
Speaker 2: Like ile money is apparently tied into freshman ass.
Speaker 4: Guess what, none of that money is gonna keep any
of those players from the portal because because and this
is this is the thing that that that gets me
is you saw the no show in Austin this week.
You can't tell me there's gonna be a bunch of
players not trying to hit that portal come December, and
these guys are gonna leave, And then what's gonna happen
then with Scott Strickland and Billy Napier. What if Lagway
jumps in the portal? You mean to tell me that
Miami or Georgia or some other big school isn't gonna
throw a couple of bucks at Lagway and say why
don't you come be our quarterback where team that's actually
gonna win? And then what happens? You're gonna get tanked.
What we have seen from Billy Napier is I don't
want to hear about Dan Mullen. And the cupboard was bare.
He bought in two hundred staffers or whatever he did.
He has recruited a little bit, but not to the
level that he has expected. And his game management has
been poor. And it is ridiculous because what it is
doing is tanking a once proud Florida Gator program and
it is putting them right directly in the sere. So
why keep it?
Speaker 1: And to your point, the biggest argument to keep him was,
or to hire him in the first place, was and to.
Speaker 2: Get rid of Dan Mullen was recruiting.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, the Florida Gators were thirteenth.
Speaker 4: Tenth in the sec. Ninth or tenth. I mean it's
not good.
Speaker 2: I'd have to go back and count it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Twenty four, they're thirteenth.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three they were also
thirteenth and twenty twenty twenty because they want to be
in the top.
Speaker 2: They want to be in the top ten. In twenty
twenty two, Okay.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, Florida, I'm still scrolling eighteenth in
twenty twenty two. So's your there's your three classes with Navier, right,
twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four. For
twenty twenty five, I realize we're a little ahead of schedule.
But it's November, Craig, and everything is early signing day, right.
There is no there is no let's wait till February like,
things are getting there. You want to take a guess
where they are for twenty twenty five, anybody.
Speaker 2: Want to take a guess?
Speaker 4: Point two forty five?
Speaker 2: They're at forty five.
Speaker 1: They have twelve commits unless he's bringing in the freaking
brinks truck full of players.
Speaker 2: I don't see it. I don't see it.
Speaker 1: You better be going to get them in the portal
or something. But to your point, there are good players
on this team that are going to leave. You've asked
Georgia and ask Alabama. Even success and money does not
keep your whole roster together. And the depth is showing
in Athens right now, and the depth has shown in
Tuscaloosa this year. Right when people go down, there's just
not three lines of people behind them.
Speaker 2: Look at look at Clemson.
Speaker 4: Look at Florida's quarterback. I granted it is the third string,
this is a walk on from Yale, this is this
and here's the deal. He looked horrible, and I felt
bad for the young kid, a kid. In the first half,
they had no n minus one, they had no one
else to go to. They've got nobody else and and
that's so to me, Like, that's the thing. I could
see Lagway dipping. I'm surprised he didn't leave at the
end of last year. I know Miami was hard after
him right at the end. Uh, but Miami is gonna
have some money open cam Ward is going to be gone.
Look look for that movement. You know, Florida State's is
going to be looking to make whatever Florida State's gonna do,
Florida State's going to need a quarterback as well. Look
for that. Look for Florida recruiting bat a little back
up for that quarterback.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's just let's just put a pin
in Lagway because the rest of the roster we need
to keep an eye on them.
Speaker 2: But if Lagway goes, you absolutely need to.
Speaker 1: Check out Borgenius on on X to see what's happening.
Or you might just you might just have to go
read the whole boards yourself, because the the Florida Gator
message board.
Speaker 2: Is nuts anyway, yep, nuts uh.
Speaker 1: And And if Lagway leaves in the in the off season,
it's it's gonna be they're gonna burn it all down,
because what reason do you then have to keep napier?
You really have, you don't have one. Now his goose
is cooked. He's gonna be fired next year. They have
the same schedule next year, Craig, they just flip the locations.
That's it, all right, Now it's time for the This
is the moment that Craig has been waiting for all week.
Speaker 2: I told him I had a surprise segment. He's gonna
love it.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting to do this segment for a couple
of weeks, and I really feel like it's time to
put it in. And so I know that I did
not give you time to prepare. But each week I
would love to start taking a moment to talk about
how I was wrong and so and so this segment
is called I was wrong. Every week there is a
moment where we speak something into existence, and it's very
easy for us to come back here and pat ourselves
on the back, and you know what, we might just
be arrogant enough to do that, but I think it's
only fair that we point out the moments and the
statements where we were.
Speaker 2: Wrong as well.
Speaker 1: And so I already have a I already have a
thought in mind for the overall season sec prediction that
I was the most wrong about. I'm gonna save that
until the season is over. But I want to just
look at last week, and I'm gonna eat a little
bit of crow.
Speaker 2: I did say that I liked Ole Miss. If Trey Harris.
Speaker 4: Was back, Tray Harrison life back he.
Speaker 2: Was not back and they got it done anyway.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day I went with
Old miss and my pick group just because it was
it was still a kind of up in the air.
Speaker 2: But the bigger, the bigger.
Speaker 1: Take that I had, the the one that I really
planted my flag on, cemented my feet in the ground,
doubled down, tripled down, was l s U over Alabama,
and that was that shaped up to be an absolutely
atrocious take, Absolutely atrocious.
Speaker 2: You know. I just went back through and reviewed all
of the.
Speaker 1: SEC games before we got on and uh, the the
moment for me where I feel like it it really
it really snowballed on them, and Milroe.
Speaker 2: Got out to a to a great art yep.
Speaker 1: But for me, it's the fourteen to six, those first
couple of possessions where you get two touchdowns versus two
field goals, not being able to capitalize and get into
the end zone early on one of those just kind
of set the tone for the night.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we see.
Speaker 1: Games where the early going is not how the rest
of the game is going to go. You know, for example,
Alabama was up fourteen to nothing on South Carolina and
then that one ended up being really tight, same thing
with Georgia, but to a greater degree. Alabama was just
out in front big time. But sometimes Uncle Moe is
going to stand firm with wherever he starts the game.
And so momentum is the key to so much of this,
and it's mental and it's physical, and it's how much
energy you're bringing in all these things and just not
being able to capitalize early. It was clear that one
team was going to have the advantage in that game.
And so I'll eat the crow and I will say
I was wrong. I was wrong about LSU. I was
wrong about Alabama. I was wrong about how the SEC
power ranking should stack up.
Speaker 4: But I was wrong.
Speaker 2: LSU's headed to it Lan.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're wrong again. So let's let's let's talk a
little bit about my dogs. So first series, Dark gets
sacked twice. He throws an interception on the third, third play.
He's on the sideline, he's in pain, he's angry. Georgia
goes seven plays, finally scores on fourth and goal. It's
seven to nothing. I put in the writer's chat. Looks
like good. George's came to play. Yes, it was excited.
Then Austin Simmons, who bypasses Walker Howard, the five star
from LSU love an LSU comes in five or six
on the drive, averages ten point seven yards, takes him
right down scores and I'm like, oh, to.
Speaker 1: Include a fourth down throat where Lane had the guts
because he's just going to stick to the analytics.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that his backup is in the game.
Speaker 3: He goes for it.
Speaker 4: Nope on fourth down.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't particularly deep in Georgia territory.
Speaker 4: No, no, but but but but you know what, Lane
finally did what we waited for. Right And one thing
that I will say I'm right on, because you know,
let's not focus too much on what we're wrong, is
that last year's Georgia game for Old Miss was that
measuring stick of like, hey, we have to change yep,
and this this was Old Miss's moment. You know, Jackson
Dart was set after the game. Don't let the Rebels
get hot. Well, that's true, they are. They are right
back in the mix. They have Mississippi State and our sisters,
the poor left on their schedule. It's some someone. I
think it's enough CS team.
Speaker 2: I'll I'll pull up the spreadsheet.
Speaker 4: Don't worry yeah, you get your spreadsheet of where you
were wrong. But anyway, old missus put themselves right back
into that conversation that went over. Georgia is going to
have a clout and very well, we could be back
to the We could be going back to Oxford. So
Uncle Tony Memphis.
Speaker 1: Tj okay, uh, let me follow up that statement first
of all, because it looks like there's gonna be a
home playoff game in Oxford.
Speaker 2: After all, we've got to go. Somebody get us tickets.
Do what we do. We're gonna have to We're gonna
have to get credentialed.
Speaker 1: But between now, in the first round the playoffs, because
nobody's getting us tickets, we're trying to do a live
pod in Oxford at the Grove covering the Ole miss
playoff game.
Speaker 4: We will have we'll have we'll have Andy and Ari
on our show instead, like Andy and r will be
on our show before they go on their show.
Speaker 2: That sounds it sounds perfect.
Speaker 1: You know what we could be will beat the Marty
m McGee to sec nation for Andy and Ari.
Speaker 2: We'll just we'll just we'll be glad to just tee.
Speaker 4: Him up, tee him up. Anyway. But Yeah, Like I said,
I think Old Miss darts back. In the Heisman conversation,
Old Miss put themselves squarely in that conversation.
Speaker 2: Had him fifth, had him fifth on my voting.
Speaker 4: This week, he's a little higher on mind, he's up
a little higher.
Speaker 2: Let him back in there. He's back.
Speaker 4: He's back.
Speaker 2: All right? So can I make one statement that you
made me laugh on just a second ago.
Speaker 4: Go for it.
Speaker 1: You said, Old Miss has Mississippi State and our sister
the poor left. That other team they play is Florida.
So that just that just falls right in line with
our discussion over the course of the day.
Speaker 4: That was unintentional. I knew it was someone who Well.
Speaker 2: It's not so com Saturday in Oxford.
Speaker 1: They do still have two league games left, but I
would foresee them winning both of those.
Speaker 2: Considering that's at the bottom of the barrel.
Speaker 4: All right, what are we all right? So so let's
let's let's put a ball on this thing and let's
focus now. Who are we got three match We got
I think three big matchups.
Speaker 2: If you want to call it that, it's a low day.
Speaker 1: And we said that before, and so I'm not gonna
if we rewind in time a few weeks and we
had done that.
Speaker 2: I was wrong segment.
Speaker 1: Previously it would have been uh for Craig on whatever
week it was that he that he called it out
for being a dud of a day prior to the day,
and then it was the day that I think that
Vanderbilt upset Alabama and we had Masterows, which was week six.
So we do have three games this week that are
really noteworthy. Let's start with Texas and Arkansas. Right now,
Texas is the clear Cup favor for me in the
in the SEC, this is Quinn's team. I'll continue to
say that he looked phenomenal against Florida, but a lot
of people can do that. Now he gets Arkansas sporadic defense,
a sporadic quarterback on the other side of the on
the other side of the ball. I really think that
Texas takes care of business. They you know, they are
two score favorite, and so I don't foresee this being
a problem. But can Arkansas jump up and bite you.
Speaker 4: A two years ago? Uh, Texas went to Arkansas, Yeah
and got Maleywak So like again, I do not expect that.
But it's just one that I'm watching in case someone
gets sleepy there you know, we said that a couple
of weeks ago with Old Miss in Arkansas, and I
think Old Miss just scored again against them, so we
know we know that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Number two, What do you got the other the other
ranked matchup or I guess the only or the first
ranked matchup because Tainton, Arkansas is not one would be
South Carolina and Missouri.
Speaker 2: And this is again this is also a double digit.
Speaker 1: Favorite for for the game Cocks, and so it appears
there's gonna be no Brady Cook, so you're gonna get
Drew Pine again.
Speaker 2: This is a terrible matchup.
Speaker 1: Missouri has beat South Carolina five years in a row,
and all them Eli Drinkquez has not been there for
five years. He's also beaten South Carolina five years in
a row because the year before he became Missouri's coach
he won in Columbia as the head coach at app State.
Speaker 2: So it's been quite a run.
Speaker 1: And Eli Drinkwoz loves to run his mouth and he
really runs it when it comes to South Carolina because
he's got a reason to. He's got a lot of
confidence and I and I think.
Speaker 2: Absolutely he would.
Speaker 4: I think I think I think that's the stepping stone
right there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely would because he is.
Speaker 1: He he is offensively what they need and billiy Napier
never has been that. Billy Napier is will much champ
on offense.
Speaker 4: Yep, No, that's okay. Was there any other games?
Speaker 2: I think that? I think that's about it.
Speaker 1: So we'll just check out the South Carolina defensive line,
see how they can get after Missouri.
Speaker 2: We'll make sure Texas doesn't trip.
Speaker 1: And oh we'll be in Athens for a big matchup
between the Dogs and the balls of the game. Really,
as we look at it, as you look at it,
this one is super key in the SEC race. In
my let's see if chalk holds estimation of tie breakers
and putting L s U against Texas, that's assuming that
Georgia wins this game. Now nine and a half point
favorites for a reason, for a reason, the talent.
Speaker 2: Gap still exists.
Speaker 1: But as we've as we said off the air before
we hit record line of scrimmage, is a cause for
concern if you're on the Georgia side.
Speaker 4: Yep, to me, that's this game comes down to two things.
Nico is banged up. The head, it's got maybe a
concussion last week, and Robin said the head is probably fine.
But here's the key for Georgia. This is your season.
You lose to Tennessee, it's over. And here's the two
things that Tennessee does really well. That is also Georgia
kryptonite Tennessee. He has a really good defensive front and
Georgia does not have a very good offensive line right now,
see last week, see the last few weeks. I should say.
The other thing is Samson, Tennessee's running back is one
of the best running backs in the country, if not
the best running back in the SEC. And Georgia has
been very susceptable against the run. So ten points. I'm
not sure what Vegas is drinking, but I'm sure sure
as heck believe it's not that coke. But it is problematic.
It is cautionary. We've got uga barstools saying where you're black,
do not wear black. Georgia, you don't do well when
we play black when you were black. The coaching staff
wore back black this year against Alabama and that didn't
go well. We wore black a few years ago against
Alabama that didn't go well. Here's the deal, come out
and just play. Don't be smiling, don't be laughing, don't
be dancing around. Just come out and take care of
business because if not, you're going to like the Outback
the Outback Steakhouse Bowl or whatever in Tampa, whatever that's
called now, and it's just going to be a total
disappointment of the season.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question, really really cool. As
we talked about.
Speaker 1: That, we have all these all these two loss teams
and we're about to we're about to move the last word,
and we're going to talk about the difference between uh,
the most deserving and the best. I think is really
what that is? What that comes down to. Yep, South
Carolina is on a heater. They're gonna if they went out,
they're gonna be a nine to three football team. I'm
not making an argument for the playoffs, but I am
looking at these two loss teams in the SEC. We
know what they did against A and M L. S
U and and Alabama. Okay, so we know what happened there.
How do you feel like the matchups would would be
with South Carolina against Georgia and against who I'm missing,
oh Tennessee.
Speaker 4: South Carolina's defensive front, I think is put us together
and what Sellers has done and Rockett Sanders has done again,
I think South Carolina would pose the same problems that
I'm talking about with Tennessee. Strong defensive front, mobile quarterback,
you've got a good running back. I think I think
the Dogs would be in trouble with both of those.
You know, I sound like a negative Nancy talking about
the Dogs this year. Something's wrong, something's not working. Staff
changes aren't going to be coming. I'm curious to see
what happens with Bobo. Uh you even have to look
at does Glen Chuman get maybe maybe a different look.
I don't know, you know, I know about tra Travera's Robinson.
Does Boom come back? I'm not sure? Yeah, yeah, so
I think I think I think Boom comes back. But
I think I think I think there's some change here
because I think I think it's time to take a
look at the mirror.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well the reason yeah.
Speaker 1: And also we also know what Kinda did against Ole miss.
I think I may have just like blocked that one out.
We didn't mention that. But the reason I asked the
question is I think that that's going to come up
in terms of.
Speaker 2: Not only playoff selection.
Speaker 1: But as we look at SEC teams in postseason play,
as we look at the bowl season, how many still.
Speaker 4: Is still in the year six I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a good question because some of
these new year six balls. It matters, not really.
Speaker 1: Unless I think it matters again for the middle tier.
If you are South Carolina and you finished nineing three
and you can get a double digit win season, which
only happened a handful of times in the history of
the school, that's something noteworthy.
Speaker 2: Also when you were picked to win.
Speaker 1: I think the over under on the season was like
four and a half by Vegas coming into it. If
you can go get double digits, I think that matters
in terms of momentum.
Speaker 2: I think it's big for the guys on your team.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm really looking at is like, let's
say you have a nine or a ten and three
SEC championship loser and they don't get into the playoffs.
You got a ten and three or a nine and
three Georgia, you got a nine in three South Carolina.
Where those teams are gonna stack up in terms of
all right, beyond the playoffs, what bowls are gonna take them.
That is a conversation for another day when we get
to that point. But I do think that there's still
a relevancy for the bowl season in terms of how
many teams from the SEC are selected to go bowling.
Not necessarily how they perform, because we know what happens
with rosters and coaching changes and all the things, but
just how many of them get a look and how
many of them are in that that Bowl eligible category
I think also speaks to the strength of the conference
because they do have to play each other.
Speaker 4: Yep, No, I'm right there with you, and and you know,
those bowl ones only matter if you want those games,
because if not, they don't matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's it. But it always just means more
in the SEC.
Speaker 2: All Right.
Speaker 1: So I really like Georgia this weekend. I just don't
see it uh happening in Athens with with Tennessee. I
think that Tennessee's offense has been too sporadic. And if
there's one thing that I observed against ole Miss on
Saturday is that although ole Miss seemed to be more
engaged in the football game and was really swarming to
the football, Georgia's speed on defense still really stands out
ole Missus wide receivers hurt Georgia on deep end breaking
routes a lot of posts and and those sorts of things.
But around the line of scrimmage, those same guys that
have the same speed that were breaking breaking in between
the hashes catching balls from Jackson Dark caught balls around
the line of scrimmage and tried to get the edge
and they absolutely could not get there in a lot
in a lot of cases. So Georgia's speed still sticks
out to me, and I think that ends up causing
some problems for Tennessee because we know Tennessee is built
to go deep, but if Nico can't be accurate with
the football, then that could be a problem.
Speaker 2: So really it does to your point come down to Samson.
Speaker 4: Yep, definitely what you got for the last word.
Speaker 1: It is time for the last word, just really quickly
here as we anticipate Tuesday's show of revealing this week's
college football playoff rankings. I think it's safe to say
that you know, four of the teams are pretty much
set in terms of where they're coming from. You're gonna
get Notre Dame, your G five, your acc and your
big twelve champs. Now the other eight is gonna be
between the Big ten and the SEC? Do we do
we see this as a four on four even matchup?
Or is it gonna be five SEC versus three Big ten?
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts the six Tuesday not available?
Speaker 1: I think that I think there's gonna be a I
think there's gonna be an SEC argument for six two.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Problem the problem is gonna be if if Penn State
doesn't lose again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is so. I think I think there's there's
your case is the Big tens Flora this year is
Penn State? Indiana again is cute. They almost choke this
weekend against Michigan. I think Ohio State probably takes care
of business. Once Ohio State takes care of business, I
think what that does is it opens up from four
to five SEC teams getting in and Indiana becomes that
Flora state of twenty twenty four. I think you get
five SEC teams in AKA. It goes back to something
that we talked about. Sorry, Joel Klatt. The SEC has
the numbers, they have the ratings, they have what it is.
The College Football Playoff is just as much about viewers
as it is about getting the best teams. Then the
SEC gets five teams, then it will be interesting to
see what five those are. Let's let's wait till we
get there and until we get that, but I think
five teams will have an argument over three or four
from the big ten.
Speaker 2: I completely agree that it could easily slide to five here.
Speaker 1: And I do think that if a higher state beats
Indiana that they're the ones who are left out. If
Penn State loses a second game, an Ohio SAT beats Indiana,
then we're having a.
Speaker 2: Really interesting discussion.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to refer back to my favorite reference
from Ward Manual last week, and I will look forward
again this week.
Speaker 2: The eye test, And we just set it a second ago.
Speaker 1: If you matched up South Carolina, who's going to be
on the outside looking in because of the two losses
to LSU and Alabama primarily if you catch one of
those where we have another team.
Speaker 2: That's in this mix for the SEC.
Speaker 1: If you match them up against in Indiana, the eye
test tells us what. Even though Indiana has been impressive offensively,
the defensive front for South Carolina and the running threat
between Sellers and Sanders on offense is probably gonna make
a lot of people lean in the direction, including Vegas
lean in the direction of the game cocks. I'm not
saying that because I'm a South Carolina guy. I'm just
using that as an example because that's the team that
that could end up in that situation.
Speaker 2: How much are we going to stick to this eye
test metric?
Speaker 1: If Miami has been ranked so highly because of the
eye test, what does the eye test tell us now ward?
Speaker 2: Let us know if Miami is still is every.
Speaker 4: Week it's a new week, we have a new schedule,
we have new data points to look at based on
all of our new evidence and new data collected, the
eye test tells us the eye test is full of crap,
just like Miami and Penn State.
Speaker 1: If if every week is a new week, I don't
even like the idea of every week being a new week,
to be honest with.
Speaker 2: You, it's not because because it should be the body
of work.
Speaker 1: And he's going to say it's the body of work
as well, but it's also every week is a new week.
Speaker 2: But it's also it's.
Speaker 1: Also the eye test, and it's also the numbers, which
are the opposite of the eye test. So I'm really
interested we that I test got brought up several times,
not just on our show last week, but coming straight
out of that that selection special and Tony being on
the call with them, they he said it multiple times.
So now, if we want to look at these teams
and we want to apply the eye test, let's apply
it with Indiana and some SEC teams that are borderlined.
Let's apply it with Penn State.
Speaker 4: Yes, and Ohio State and Penna State loses, then you're
really Then it's if you got Ohio a regular season
Ohio State and Penn State loss.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well. I already lost to Oregon if they if they.
Speaker 4: Lose, That's what I'm saying. If you get one more
loss for each of them, I think they can.
Speaker 2: Both be out. I think that I think that I
think that Buckeye would get them in.
Speaker 1: Because we've talked about money and ratings and all those things,
probably why ESPN is not picking us up. But I
do think it should be six two at that point.
All right, it just means more, and and we're going
to stand on that. It's been a great night. Whenever
you're listening to us, we hope you're enjoying a nice
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