Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Genie Alexander and you're listening to this
Surely you Can't Be.
Speaker 2: Serious podcast, hosted by my good friends Dee and Jason.
Speaker 1: All Right, Dean, we've been doing this podcast now for
over five years. This is our sixth year, Yes, and
I think it's time that we have a podcast makeover. Okay, okay,
And so here's what I'm suggesting. I think you should
go real dark with like purple highlights, and I go
the blonde with kind of the red highlights, and you
be the dark one. I'd be the light one. And
since I'm the big one, I'm gonna hide behind you
the whole time.
Speaker 2: I got a course that you can use up and together.
Just remember that when you show the cleavage, not only
do the guys in the porsches see it, but the
guys with one tooth driving the bus also see. It's
kind of like a grenade. You're gonna hit anybody who's.
Speaker 1: Around, right right.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast. Everybody.
We are happy to be back. We've we've updated a
little bit, We've got our background back here. Jason has
done an incredible job putting these albums up here on
our wall. And these are real, legitimate like lpie albums.
Vinyl in there, all of them, right, We've got vinyl
in just about every single thing here, single lot of them. Yeah,
many of them gifts from our dear friend Chris Webbers,
whoever is giveing me a lot of those. Yeh yeah,
super fan love him. And if you want to have
a little fun in this episode, you can kind of
gaze behind us because we're not that interesting. But see
how many of these albums you can guess? A couple
of them are pretty obvious, and some of them are
less obvious. And I can see one that I will
be referencing one at least album that I will be
referencing today, and I think it's yep. I can see
it from here, so I'm excited to talk about it.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about today?
Speaker 2: Okay, So we are talking about a band and an album.
The band is world famous and has been for fifty years. Sure,
they've had top two hundred albums in the seventies, the eighties,
the nineties, and the twenty tenths, so four decades and
you've got a top two hundred album in every single
one of those ressas. That's pretty good. But we're going
to talk today about the album that is their biggest
success but that they completely disregard.
Speaker 1: Now, I know it really breaks my heart when we
need to dive into this whole story, but it yeah
hurts me to hear that story.
Speaker 2: So this story that idea of, you know, like we're
disregarding this album that really brought us our most commercial success.
It's one thing, but it makes it reminds me of a.
Speaker 1: Story that I heard.
Speaker 2: Okay, So in the nineties, Lane Staley, the lead singer
for Alison Chains, is hanging out over at Anne Wilson's
house and she's swimming at the pool and he's sitting
pool side having a beer. I mean, she was friends
with those guys cool And he's sitting there and this
is a couple of years before his you know, ultimate overdose,
and a meteor goes by in the sky and it
literally it's so bright and it's not even nighttime, it's daytime,
but this meteor goes by, it's so bright that it
lights his face up. And she's swimming in the pool
and she sees it, and he sees it, and he's like,
did you see that? He said, you just don't like that.
You don't see things like that. Do you know how
lucky we are, how lucky we are to have been
here in this moment and had this star shooting experience.
And what it makes me think of is they did
this at least four or five times they had that
experience in the record industry, and the biggest, brightest shooting
star that they had, they don't like, Ah, that's a
little weird.
Speaker 1: I'd see where you're going with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a little weird.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, that's interesting. And of course Lane Staley talking
about how lucky he is at anything is a little
bit er. Yes.
Speaker 2: Well, and apparently Jerry Cantrell crawled into bed with Anne
Wilson at some point. I don't know that. I don't
think anything was ever consummated there. And I think that
Mike Starr, before his ultimate demise, rated her closet for
some of her cool eighties Get Upside.
Speaker 1: I've got a story on their yeah, sort of their
their rock close right.
Speaker 2: Well, when in one of these parties, you know, we
I say that they they've kind of distanced themselves from
this album. But at one of the parties in the
nineties that you got the grunge kids around, and they're like,
you know, I liked Barracuda and like Crazy on You
and those were cool songs. Your eighties stuff sucked. And
she's like, hey, if you don't like the house that
the eighties stuff bought, you can get the.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, because I'm glad that she defended it though. Yeah,
I mean, she's not defending the music per se, but
she has to. I mean, you can't not admit that
this is the album that made them ultra wealthy.
Speaker 1: Ultra wealthy. And I will say this, the eighties stuff
does not suck. This album suck. Great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, if it had been an album written by
other people, this is and then time goes by and
you look back and you go, geez, that was That
was just a terrible experience. You know, it was popular
for a minute, but that's just not good stuff. That's
one thing. But these are timeless hits.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they play them on the radio all the time. Yeah,
by the way, you know you just mentioned it. They
kind of disregard this album. They don't play the songs
very much in concert, and kind of has a sourpuss
attitude about these particular songs, mainly because they didn't write them.
They saw themselves as songwriters. But this, you know, this
was their comeback album and they were rescued, like Capitol
rescued them. And they said, listen, you've had two albums,
Private Audition and Passion Works, which didn't even certify. They
didn't didn't even make gold.
Speaker 2: Yes, they only sold four hundred thousand copies.
Speaker 1: I mean, how sad, right, But Capitol came in and said, listen,
we want to do this with you. I think that
they can give a lot of credit to the Footloose
soundtrack because and Wilson and then Mike Greno had one
massive hit from the footloop soundtrack, the Nights.
Speaker 3: Oh how good I have all my life?
Speaker 2: There we go. That's not the album I was going
to mention.
Speaker 1: Keep Going Right reached number seven on the charts, and
they said, you know what, this girl is super talented,
this band is super talented. We can do something. They
just got to have better songs. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, the A and R guy that had picked him
up was the same guy who had done a resurgence
thing for Tina Turner and for Joe Cocker and several
other of those seventies acts that he was trying to
bring back into the mainstream again, and he had obviously
done it pretty successfully with those two, and so why not,
I mean, why not trust the guy to bring these
girls back?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And this is the same formula, the same science experiment.
If you will work for Kiss, it worked for Aerosmith,
and it worked like Gangbusters for Heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to bring in some songwriters who know
how to write hits. Sorry that you're not writing your
own stuff, but that's part of the deal.
Speaker 1: We offer you a bazillion dollars in mega hits, or
you can be left on the dust pile of.
Speaker 2: History, right unsigned, Okay, okay. Before we dive in track
by track for the Heart album, we need to give
a shout out to our executive producers. Yes, we have
had a slew in this last week. We have had
Lynette Harris, Yes, thank you Lynette.
Speaker 1: Thanks Lynette. We've had Richard Buck, Thank you Richard.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys. Yeah, we have my dear friend Gotier
Pirozak who has joined the Patreon family. Finally, thank you.
Speaker 1: Ger.
Speaker 2: Gotier goes on long drives. He has to drive like
through Texas for his job. And he says, that's my time.
I just binge listened to all of your episodes over
that time, so we won't talk about the show, and
then all of a sudden we'll have eighteen episodes. We
also have Dominic Tara Bassi. Thank you very much, Dominic.
We appreciate your contribution to us.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: If you want to become Patreon members, you can join
the member page for free. If you want to have
a paid membership, that will get you access to all
of our one Hit Wonder episodes, which are fantastic, and
we have some novelty songs like Mariah Carey and the
Christmas Song and Kokomo that you did with Deaf Dave.
But we've kind of developed a new formula for this
where one of us will pick a song and the
other one has to try to guess what it is.
And it's a great audience participation. We got a sample
of it a couple of episodes ago, if you want
to go check that one out. I think the title
of the episode is basically, can you guess this song
before Jason does?
Speaker 1: Yes? And we do that. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantastic, so guys, please go check out our
Patreon page.
Speaker 1: We would love but if you would.
Speaker 2: Financially support us for as little as a cup of
coffee for one of us every other month, you know,
maybe would go to the movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we do appreciate you guys so much. Those
very very nice Yeah, thank you guys.
Speaker 2: All right, so you have some statistics for some chart.
Speaker 1: I've got a few for you on the overview. Just
the album itself. Yeah, it's a little tricky to reference
this album because it is the self titled album Heart
from nineteen eighty five, right, Okay, And when they asked
Ann Wilson, why did you name it Heart? Like why
did you just self title it? She's like, well, I'm
trying not to put my sourpust spin on this, but basically, well,
we didn't write the songs, so we didn't feel the
closeness with the album to name it anything enough that
it would be real, right yeah. And I'm like, eh, good,
try harder, try harder. Okay. I have a suggestion, Yeah,
how about these dreams streams? Yeah? Or it looks to
kill yeah, something shell shock not just we couldn't think
of anything we don't like it, right, yeah, Okay, could
call it cleavage and you'd even sold more covers, right,
call it Nancy's legs. Yeah, this one a Grammy for
Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group, five times platinum.
Ron Navidson, who is the producer of this album, said
this is his most successful album he ever produced. Yep. Okay. Now,
he was the sound engineer on Physical Graffiti for led Zeppelin,
which we think got him this job because the Wilson
Girls big led Zeppelin fans, right right, But he produced
Jefferson Starship Kiss Chicago Europe Survivor.
Speaker 2: He had just come off of Vital Signs when he
started to do this album. That's right, and I we
were talking earlier. I'm looking at Vital Signs. I don't
know how none of those songs made it into our
top five of nineteen eighty five chick album. Yeah, and
we only had one from Chicago seventeen. We got it
like we got a match up. Those are two perfect
albums to match up. Vital Signs by Survivor Chicago nineteen
seventeen by Chicago.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Okay, let's do it. It's done, that done,
Let it be said, Let it.
Speaker 2: Be so so, let it be written so let.
Speaker 1: It be done. Yes, But did I say that he
did Damn Yankees album? No, I love the Damn.
Speaker 2: Yanke You you have a They're They're like your ugly
girlfriend in the back that you just love even though
she's not that cute.
Speaker 1: But sure fun hang out with.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But he also did Leonard Skinnered, Meet Low Firehouse. So
this guy's done a lot of stuff. Bad Company. Was
a sound engineer for them. Yeah, who So he got
the job after meeting the girls. He met them in
Las Crusis when they were rehearsing.
Speaker 2: Yes around yeah, like five years before they ever made
this album.
Speaker 1: Yeah. This album was released June twenty first, nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: And you thought I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 1: I'd like you said that it reached number one December
twenty first, nineteen eighty five. There you go. Do you
know what it knocked out of the number one spot?
Speaker 2: Eighty five late eighty five, late eighty five.
Speaker 1: I'm covered by the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast? Go,
I guess it's Purple Rain. It's the Miami Vice soundtrack.
Speaker 2: Oh raight.
Speaker 1: Knocked the Miami Vice soundtrack out of the number one spot,
and then for one Glorious Week, and then Miami Vice
came in and said, get out of our stock, pick
back over. Yeah, I will tell you this, the Miami
Vice soundtrack knocked out Brothers in Arms by Dire Straits,
which had a nine week run at number one.
Speaker 2: That, by the way, we didn't mention it. That's the
album that we're comparing this album too. We are doing
Dire Straits Brothers in Arms versus nineteen eighty five Heart
and So Yeah. At the end of these two episodes,
we'll give our opinion on which of these two albums
is the one we're gonna pick up. As we're walking
out the door. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: It is okay, all right, I'm ready to dive into songs,
So let's go. First song, Alligate is called if Lukes
Could Kill.
Speaker 4: Catch You.
Speaker 1: Mess.
Speaker 4: I won't hear you.
Speaker 3: Say your song it is nobody.
Speaker 2: I'm getting this feeling like I've seen a lady taken
off her clothes in an Arnold Schwarzeningger movie to this song.
Did that happen? Did I make that up?
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't remember that specific scene.
Speaker 2: Strip club scene from Raw Deal?
Speaker 1: Is it okay? Raw Deal? Produced by you know, Dyla
Renis and Arnold Schwartz, singer in nineteen eighty six. Yep,
that version of the song was a dance song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a discoy style version. Yeah, we
gotta listen to that right here. Yeah, I am yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Let me say this. I heard this intro guitar on
this piece and I was like, heck, yeah, you're starting
it off right and they're rocking it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They are doing a great I mean, much better than
the introduction to that other song and really getting it.
But then I started listening to the words and I'm like,
I don't like, this isn't doing it for me. I
know that a lot of people love this one. This
is one of This was the last single off of
the album, this single, and it didn't do as well
obviously as the other ones, but it didn't do nothing either.
But it's just it's my least favorite song on the album.
Speaker 1: What are You crazy? I Am not? I just this
is not this. I love this song. I think it's fantastic.
In fact, I got this album for Christmas in nineteen
eighty five.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was.
Speaker 1: At my grandmother's house, had the cassette tape and I
go scour my grandmother's house for a tape deck. Yeah,
well grandma's don't have tape decks, not back then. Now, well,
she had a little radio like all tune in radio
on our kitchen counter.
Speaker 2: Lots of Grandma's with tape decks right now.
Speaker 1: True, true, But there was a place for a cassette
where you inserted it. It was like a VCR tape. Like you.
You didn't kick anything out and slide it in. You
just went okay. And I remember I heard this song
first because you couldn't fast forward anything. And Grandma's definitely
not right. And that first song out of the gate,
I was like, this song kicks, but I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I love the guitar intro. I thought it's
a great intro song for the album. It's just that
this is an album. I've said it. This is an
album full of potential number one singles. Okay, like the
whole album. Any one of these songs they could have
released and had had a smash it, and they did
with several of them, right Yeah, So when I say
it's least on the list for me, that's not necessarily
that big of an insult. Okay, Okay, it's still a
great intro song. It's just that I don't feel like
the words are great for me for this song. And
it's obviously it's a cover of somebody else's song that
had already been released and that had already been you know,
picked up for the Raw Deal movie. That won't be
the first time that's happened. So they had this song.
Capitol Records has this song and they're looking to give
it to Tina Turner and ron Nevinson is like, the
producer is like, excuse me, that's not a Teena Turner song.
Speaker 1: That's an Ann Wilson song. That we take this little
dancy pop thing, we rock it up and we give
the Ann Wilson attitude to it. Looks could kill you
be lying on the floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he loves the lyrics. I must be
in the minority here because he loved the lyrics, but
not the best one on the album for me.
Speaker 1: So this was the comeback album for the Wilson sisters, right,
And they had to agree on three things. Look, you
guys got to mutually agree on a producer, okay, And
Ann Wilson said, we wanted a producer with a vision
for where we're going, and ron Nevison had that. So
that check one. The girls had to agree on all
the songs, and number three, they had to be opened
to songs written by other people.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, that last one's a little fuzzy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Here's the interesting thing I think on that, uh huh,
is you know how it goes. We're like, listen, girls,
you guys got to be open to other songs written
by other people in case we need them.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Down the road, it's like, well, you guys wrote. You
guys wrote three or four songs for this album. We're
not releasing any of them, right, he wrote, although I
think one could have been a hit. Yeah, at least
one could have been a major hit. And we'll talk
about that here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'll have to share that with me. Okay, okay,
were ready to go to song number two?
Speaker 1: Song number two?
Speaker 2: My good, here it comes.
Speaker 1: He's the hair, he's the bangs.
Speaker 4: I've been the.
Speaker 6: Lame, I've been waiting for you.
Speaker 4: I'm pretunding and that's all I can do, the seting,
and I can it through to your hot.
Speaker 2: I don't think you could give me a better example
of nineteen eighty five synthesizer infused heavy, hard guitar rocking,
beautiful power ballad than this.
Speaker 4: You've been hiding.
Speaker 6: Never let.
Speaker 4: Always trying to keep it on next t.
Speaker 1: I love it right, I mean this is this just
sounds like aquinet right. This is the song that started
the comeback trail. I might make a case that almost
Paradise started it, but this is the one for heart right.
This song was originally written and recorded by a Canadian
rock band called Toronto.
Speaker 2: Big fan of Toronto, I don't know them exactly right,
swung in a mess for them.
Speaker 1: Well, so here's the deal. It was written by Sharon
Allen and Brian Allen. That's a married couple. They were
in the band Toronto together. They wrote this song, wanted
to release it as a single and the rest of
the band said no, not even good. Now you know
who else co wrote this song with them? Jim Valance.
Speaker 2: Jim Valance who collaborated with Brian Adams A R. Adams
up there, Okay there the second album.
Speaker 1: Jim Valance also played drum on that track. Okay, we
got to listen to that song real quick.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you have a far too quiet backing vocal
in an exchange back and forth with the what about
love instead of having the lead singer fully sing it.
And that's that's a bit. That's the difference, right, the
fail right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what ron Nevison came in and he said,
here's an undiscovered, uncut diamond. Let's polish it up and
let Ann Wilson give her big voice for the chorus.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that song as it was by Toronto,
except for that chorus. Like you're talking about, and I
told you, it's like I'm listening to Berlin. You know,
this is this is I could be watching Tom Cruise
making out with Kelly McGill's right, right, I can see it. Sure,
But obviously Ann Wilson has arguably the best female rock
voice in history.
Speaker 1: She's in the conversation, I am not disagreeing with you. Yeah,
she's got a kick you in the nuts, punch you
in the face rock voice. And this is what this
song needed.
Speaker 2: You're right. And if if there's an opportunity to sing,
let's let and do it. Yeah right, yeah, Now, we
don't need we don't need the backing vocals to give
us part of this chorus.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Speaking of backing vocals, you know who's sang
background vocals on this song?
Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I do?
Speaker 1: Hey, give it to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, you got you get Starship flying in here? Yes,
because you don't have just one member of STIP but
two you've got Grace Slick and Mickey Thomas. Yes, Mickey
Thomas himself.
Speaker 1: That's right. So when ron Nevison brought this to the
Wilson Sisters, they didn't like it because they thought the
demo sounded wimpy. And instead of saying, yeah, but I
can rock that up, take charge of this thing, he said,
Let's see how much power we can add to it.
Let's heart it up.
Speaker 2: I mean, say what you will about Starship. They can
provide some powerful backing vocals. Those there, It's great, right.
Speaker 1: This song actually led to the breakup of Toronto because
they wanted to release it. They didn't screw your guys,
screw your guys, and that's when Toronto died. By the way,
this song reached number ten in nineteen eighty five. Do
you want to know the ten all right?
Speaker 2: I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Yes. So number ten is what about love? Number nine
is every time you go away?
Speaker 2: That almost made my Top five of nineteen eighty five list.
Speaker 1: Number eight If you love Somebody, Set Them Free by
Sting Yep, go back to our police episod. Number seven
Summer of sixty nine by Brian Adams. Sure. Number six
We Don't Need Another Hero by Tina Turner. We just
talked about her. Number five Freeway of Love by Aretha Franklin.
I brought her up to you yesterday. We might mention
her in a second.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Number four sant Almo's Fire by John Parr, which go cover.
Speaker 2: Go check our Patreon page Boys and Girls right.
Speaker 1: Number three Never Surrender by Corey Hart. That was yes,
I remember that to Shout by Tears for Fears.
Speaker 2: Covered that one as well.
Speaker 1: Number one Power of Love by Huey Lewis in the news.
Speaker 2: Okay, And as long as we're talking two songs on
the top ten, I'll bring it up now. Do you
know who also played on these songs? Guy named Johnny Cola.
You might recognize him as the saxophone player for this
little band right over here. And so yeah, Huey.
Speaker 1: Lewis screams his name in the Heart of Rock and Roll.
Speaker 2: Yep, Johnnay, you got it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, I got to talk about the video for
just a second.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Video was shot in London, of course. This is after
their makeover. The girls AND's gone really dark with the
purple highlights, Nancy's gonelatin blonde, platinum blonde with red highlights,
boobs up and together for everyone, right course, it's.
Speaker 2: The way I like them. It's the way everybody back
in the nineteen eighties liked them.
Speaker 1: Okay, This music You Do was directed by David Mallett.
It's the same guy who did Call Me White. Wedding
photographed by def Leppard, Rock of Ages, Crimson and Clover
by Jon Jet Radio Gaga, Rocky like a Hurricane, Tears
are following, and thunderstruck. This guy's done a lot. According
Todan Wilson, Mallett wanted to transform them into porn kittens.
Maybe he did. It also sold a crap ton.
Speaker 2: Of records it did. Yes, and the last.
Speaker 1: Thing on this song, Anne said she sang this song angry.
It was like a accusation to this guy, Well, yeah,
what about love? Don't you want somebody to care about you? Yeah?
Instead of the whimpy version that we get from Toronto. Yeah, Okay,
next song on the album is a song called Never.
Speaker 2: I freaking love it like it's just it's it's funky
and gets the dance beat to it. You got the
the woohoo's and the AHAs at the beginning. I mean
just there's nothing but good about this song.
Speaker 1: This is the one that convinced me that I needed
this tape for Christmas. Nineteen eighty five. Yeah, it's just
a great song. This reached number four on the charts.
This is a huge song for them. Yeah, this is
lighting the fire on the comeback. They're killing it straight
off the bat. This song was co written by Holly Knight,
huh and a guy named Jeene Black. Okay, Yeah, I
heard ron Nevison talk about this. He's like, one of
the ways that you can introduce new songs to a
band is you can say, hey, girls, why don't you
write some songs with Holly Knight. Huh. Makes it easier
for them to swallow this idea that they're co writing
these songs with an established writer like Holly Knight.
Speaker 2: But by the way, for those who don't know Holly Knight, obsession.
Speaker 1: Obsession better be good to me. Love is a battlefield.
Stick to your guns by Bon Jovi Hide Your Heart
by Kiss the Warrior, Love Touch.
Speaker 2: She is a well known hit song writer and by
the way, she also played the keyboards on this Yeah,
she played the keyboards on this album.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay cool and and Nancy would write the song
with their best friend named Sue Ennis okay, and together
they had a pseudonym Connie Okay. So anytime you look
at the credits, any song written by Connie.
Speaker 2: Is Anne, Nancy and Sue, Sue their friend Sue Okay.
I don't know where you get Connie from all of that.
Speaker 1: Neither so Sue.
Speaker 2: I actually went to high school with Anne, and high
school was a hard time for Anne. Like she is
obviously an incredible singer and has incredible confidence, but high
school was not a time that she had that, and
when she hit her teen years, she gained a bunch
of weight and was ridiculed by her classmates. She'd actually
grown up as a kid with a stutter because of
the insecurities that she had, and she said, singing was
the very first time I completed a sentence without stuttering.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So it literally this the music literally saved her from
her speech impediment. And so when she was young, she
got mono and was out of school for three months. Yes,
and so to help her from going stir crazy, her
parents bought her a guitar, and she only had a
kind of passing interest in it, but she had a
little sister was four years younger who was hanging around,
and the sister treated the guitar like her new best friend. Yes,
played it over and over, slept with it, and she
and Anne, who would eventually also play guitar again, would
just sit and listen to music and play songs together.
They grew up from very very young doing this together,
and they're still doing it together now years later.
Speaker 1: I did hear that the family nicknamed Nancy whiz Fingers.
She was good. She's really really good. By the way,
You've got a little nugget for us on who Nancy
was dating at the time this record was recorded.
Speaker 2: I don't know where she was in the day process,
but I heard them talking about their first airplane ride.
And there's a moment in this movie called Almost Famous
where they're on an airplane and it's like it starts
to have the bad things happen. It looks like the
airplane's going to go down, and everybody just starts confessing
all their well. Almost Famous was written by a guy
named Cameron crow That scene is based upon the heart
experience in their own airplane about almost dying not just once,
but a couple of different times in the Bermuda Triangle.
No less, and the reason that Cameron Crowe is familiar
with that story is because he ended up marrying Nancy Wilson.
I had no idea that they were married. Cameron Crowe,
who is the Rolling Stone guy who wrote Almost Famous.
He wrote Jerry Maguire, he got something.
Speaker 1: Else, Fast Times a Ridgemont High Say Anything.
Speaker 2: Oh Yeah? And Nancy, of course you mentioned this to
me has a cameo moment in Fast Times at Ridge.
Speaker 1: She is quote unquote the beautiful girl in the car.
She also does the closing credit song for Say Anything,
which I'm getting ready to join Dayton Johnson to discuss
Say Anything.
Speaker 2: Oh Yeah. Go check out the Docking Base seventy seven
podcasts and get Dayton Johnson's view on the Say Anything
movie with Jason.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. This song never reached number four, Let
me back out. Number seven is Election Day by Arcadia.
Does that ring a bell to you?
Speaker 2: Does? Because we have a town nearby named Arcadia where
you can go to Pops the famous that's by any
flavor of pop you.
Speaker 1: Want at that place, ham sandwich flavored pop or whatever.
Speaker 2: Literally had a spaghetti flavored pop at my house.
Speaker 1: Disgusting, it is, Okay. Election Day by Arcadia was what
happened when Duran Duran split up. One group went and
became the power Station, Arcadia became the other one. They
had a top ten hit, number six as You Belong
to the City by Glenn Frye off the Miami Vice soundtrack.
Number five is Say You Say Me by Lionel Richie.
It covered by Shirley Campy. Serious. Number four is Never
number three over there. Number three is We Built This
City by Starship, which I think we're going to talk
about here in a second. Maybe. Number two Separate Lives
Phil Collins talk about him in a couple of weeks. Yeah.
And number one Broken Wings by mister Mister check out
our best of nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's on there all right now.
Speaker 1: Then, I've got a nugget for you. I'm dying to
tell you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm excited, Okay.
Speaker 1: The Never video was directed by Marty Callner.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and we've talked Marty Colner numerous times. He's
directed a ton of videos. He responsible for the HBO
theme music. He was their director for a while and
came up with the show idea for Hard Knocks.
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks. He's responsible for Hard Knocks.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: He's also responsible for Tony Kataine on top of a
Jaguar doing cartwheels.
Speaker 2: Two jaguars. One was Marty's, one was David Coverdale's. That's it, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: He's also responsible for Alicia Silverston and all the Aerosmith videos.
Ye go back to our Get a Grip episode that's old. Yep,
chaer did if I could turn back time and a
little skimpy thing on the navy ship. He's responsible for that. Yeah,
and we're not going to take it by twisted sister.
Just to name a few, no slacker, right, yeah, okay,
Now here's the funny quote on Marty Colner. All right,
he was the guy who pushed Nancy to the front
and to the back, and it was one of these
things where we're going to show Nancy's body in Anne's face,
and that's what we're going to do, and that's how.
Speaker 2: We're going to go forward.
Speaker 1: Okay, And this was his quote. He said, I was
the one who pushed Nancy to the front because everybody
told me how much they loved her.
Speaker 2: Tis well, at least he didn't beat around the bush
about it. I mean not only did he do it,
he did it in slow motion. I mean, hey it
that had to be a precursor to Baywatch.
Speaker 1: Right. So this is the funny thing. They would actually
stretch the video to make and looks slimmer. Okay, yeah,
So Mick Kleeber, who is an executive of Capital, said
he went to a meeting one day and he's like, guys,
we're stretching the video to make her thin. He goes,
let's just get her in the gym and get her
in shape. Right, he goes, it's not listen, this is
a cost effective way of making her slimmer look better
for videos. He's like, they wanted to burn me at
the stake. They learned nearly threw me out of the meeting,
and they were insulted that I would say such things. Right,
he goes, it's way cheaper, and instead we're spending all
this money, we're stretching the video. By the way, this
was the second single reached number four on the Billboard Charts.
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, incredible song, Love it, love it.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. One more thing. I told
you that they their costumes, they're kind of makeover. Got
it from two movies.
Speaker 2: I guessed one of them.
Speaker 1: You did guess one of them, and that was Purple Rain.
Purple Rain. They took their cues from Prince and the
other was amedaeis.
Speaker 2: Well similar style. Yeah, yeah, okay, next time on the
album Let's do It Okay. I don't know if you've
heard of this song before. This song's called These Dreams.
Speaker 6: Spare Little Cure, Save some Light Familion, Big is on
the head, move in the trees, light scan in Linen,
few on my wrist, These Dreams in.
Speaker 2: Can you give me some crispy high hat and some big,
warm synthesizers? Yes, and make me feel like it's nineteen
eighty five again. Couples move out to the middle of.
Speaker 1: The dance floor.
Speaker 2: Gosh, what a beautiful song.
Speaker 1: That's a good. Third single, released January of eighty six,
reached number one in March of nineteen eighty six. This
song was written by Martin Page and Bernie.
Speaker 2: Toppin Bernie Toppin, who, of course normally collaborates with Elton
Elton John.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the guy who wrote all the
hits for Elton John. Right now, Martin Page may not
be as familiar to you, but he wrote the King
of Wishful Thinking Church, was a big pop song off
of the Pretty Woman soundtrack. Yep. He also wrote a
little song called We Built this City.
Speaker 2: Ah, Starship rears their ugly head again.
Speaker 1: Yes, now, before I tell you the story on that.
He also wrote a song called in the House of
Stone and Light, which was a big hit in the nineties.
It was kind of one of those Martin Page and
he was the singer. Oh okay, yeah, So here's the story.
So ron Nevison picks up a tape. It has five
songs written by Martin Page and Bernie Toppinka. He's like, oh, great,
five songs written by these two talented songwriters. So he
listens to him. He's like, okay, yeah, I like that one. Okay,
that's all right, I don't want to Okay. Oh, this
song is called We Built the City and he heard
it and he had just got done producing Starship's album
and he's like, I would never allow anybody I was
producing to do this song. He said, you could hear
its pop sensibilities. He goes, but it's a ridiculous song.
There's no way I would ever let my group do it.
Starship did it, and of course erased all of the
rock cred.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, the poppyist of pop starship songs.
Speaker 1: Ever, Yeah, gosh yes. And the other song was These Dreams,
which was actually originally called The Boys in the Mist Okay,
oh yeah, ok, gotcha. Now. It was offered Stevie Nicks,
who turned it down. It was offered to Kim Carnes,
who turned it down. It was offered to Don Henley
who turned it down. But he grabbed it and said, hey,
I think this would be a good song for Nancy. Okay,
for Nancy, for Nancy listen. Yeah, So he always wanted
to do one song with Nancy, and let's just give
her a good one. Let her do her thing.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now I heard him tell the story. The kind of
the urban legend here is that she had a cold
when she recorded it, and so you can kind of
hear her voice breaking, when every second of the night
her voice kind of breaks. Yeah, And he said that
urban legend is sort of true and sort of not true.
He said, we we always record a guiding vocal in
order to record the drums and the guitar too. When
she recorded her guiding vocal, she had a cold, and
so when she went to hit those notes, her voice
broke a little bit. And then later when she did
the actual final vocal, it was missing that voice breaking
passion push. And so what he did is he went
out and he clipped out that note and he inserted
it like like took this word and put it in
place right.
Speaker 7: And I thought it, man, that's fantastic genius.
Speaker 2: It's missing something, it's missing the imperfection. And that was
I enjoyed listening to the You know, obviously we've listened
to several interviews with them. One of them was with
Nikki six on his sixth Sense podcast, and the important
feature was the this concept of the mistakes make it
yours in today's In today's music, all of the mistakes
are edited out right. They auto tune the voices so
that there's no sharp or flat to your voice. Every
voice is perfection. Well, that perfection takes away from the real,
the raw of the song. And they said when they're on.
When they're playing on tour. Now, when they're doing concerts
and stuff, people emote about things like when they make mistakes,
like every once in a while, you know, in a
show you're like, Okay, well we f that up, let's
start again. Yeah, And people love it. They'll go nuts
because it's so real and that's what's missing in so
much of today's music, and people want it. People want
to have that voice crack or they want to have
that slightly flat, slightly sharp moment in the song because
that's what gives it its humanity.
Speaker 1: When Nancy played the song for her mother, her mom's like,
your voice is breaking. Shouldn't you re record that? And
Ron was like, please, missus Wilson, do not make me
change this.
Speaker 2: Ron, Ron, the huge music producer, was like, please please
missus Willson.
Speaker 1: Ron Nevison said that when he played this song for
the girls, Nancy was the one who fell in love
with it right off the bat, and with her enthusiasm
kind of behind it. Anne was on board. And then
actually Anne is doing the backing vocals which precede the
lines in the song. It's kind of a it's a
reverse thing. It's kind of a dreamy thing if you will,
right right, Okay. Next song on the album is a
song called The Wolf.
Speaker 2: Let's rock out, shall we? This is a rock and
so I so I told you to me. This album
is just full of songs that it could all have
been singles. I said, I didn't like the first song
was my least favorite on the album, and then we've
got a succession of songs that were chart topping singles. Yep,
and we got this one. I think it could absolutely
have been a single, so strong with their led Zeppelin influence,
but it's got that eighties guitar, you know, heavier sound
to it, and Anne is ripping into her hard rock
Robert Plant style voice, freaking kicking butt. Amazing song.
Speaker 1: Love it. It is a great song. This was written
by the girls along with Denny Karassi and their friends
hu in Us. Yes, okay, so this is the first
song written by them on this album. And I think
you can make the case this is as close as
you're gonna get to like Magic Man and Barracuda. Okay,
I mean I yeah, I mean so.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting because in the seventies, and I'll just
I got the list here, so I'll just say it
nineteen seventy five, we have Magic Mane, which was about
Ann's husband, Michael Fisher, who was the brother of the
lead guitarist Roger Fisher. Crazy on You was nineteen seventy six, Yes,
and Barracuda was nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Those are all rocking good songs. The way they put
it that when they're talking about this album, it's kind
of like the difference between the mind expanding drugs that
were going on in the seventies and all the cocaine
in the eighties and what we have with nineteen eighty
five Heart is lots of cocaine.
Speaker 1: Cocaine, Maybe let's do lots of cocaine. In fact, I
got a quote from Ann Wilson on the cocaine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: She said, if it weren't for cocaine, we wouldn't have
done all the stuff that we did in the eighties.
We drank a lot of champagne, did a lot of
blow and made a lot of videos.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the cocaine thing was real, and as you mentioned,
they you know, we've got this big success in the seventies,
right They've had They've got several hits year after year,
after year, and then they have a couple of bad showings, right,
and probably in no small part due to some of
the cocaine that they were doing at the time. Sure,
you lose a little bit of the love and feel
goodness when you're when you're coked up all of the time, right,
And so at a time they lost their record label.
In the early eighties, they got hit up by a
coffee company to do a coffee commercial.
Speaker 1: Tell me the story. So I sent you this video.
I love it.
Speaker 2: I sent you the video of this coffee commercial. And
I mean, they're they're They're one of many people that
you're like, how are these people all together in this
coffee commercial? But you've got David Bowie, You've got Kurt Vonnegut,
You've got the football guy.
Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson, the quarterback for the Bengals.
Speaker 2: What and the Wilson sisters recording playing and drinking some
cup of joe?
Speaker 1: You know, because coffee it helps everyone.
Speaker 2: So you know why they did this commercial. Why because
they got paid a million dollars to do it. They
didn't have any albums that were success and so yeah,
so they're just like, I got a cocaine habit to
feed I might as well endorse another propit product from Columbia.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, my money goes to Columbia, which comes
back to me. Wow, that's funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what do you think of this song?
Speaker 1: I think it's a great song. It's a rock and song.
It doesn't sound like a single to me. It's missing
the sense that at this time we're putting these things
over the top. But I think it's a rocker and
I like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree that it's definitely more on the rock
side of things than the pop that these last several
singles have been. But gosh, dang, I love it. I
think it's great.
Speaker 1: All right, hits stof up in your tape player, kick
it out, flip it over for side two, and we
start off with a song called all Eyes, another rocker.
I think this is a great song. I think that
this song belongs like on the Vision Quest soundtrack or Footloose,
you know, something like that. It's it's upbeat, it's it's
kind of poppy, it's kind of energetic.
Speaker 2: So the beginning of it, that that snare that's playing
it totally reminded me of John Cougar Mellencamp around the
same time, and they've got I mean, they've got road
stories with him as well. But but then when it
gets when it gets into the lyrics, it's less so him.
But it's still it's still a rocker, it's still strong,
it's still fun.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: I think easily could have been a single.
Speaker 1: Easily could have been a single again. This song was
written by Holly Knight, Gene Black and Connie the pseudonym. Right.
I like the line that says when you look at me,
it melts my legs. Ron Nevison said he agrees with
you that this song could have been a single, but
in the process of polishing it, it just didn't quite
get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this band part it was a Seattle band.
Seattle nineteen seventy three is when they started, Yeah, except
it was just a couple of guys starting a band
who had already been doing bands together. They had done
it was Roger Fisher and Steve Fawson, and they had
been in a band called the Army. They're in a
band called hoax Pocus, then turned into a band called
white Hart, which is named after an Arthur's Clark story.
It's a heart Haart though, okay, And it was only
after that that they had found themselves in need of
a singer. This is about nineteen seventy five, and somebody says,
you guys should meet Ann. And Anne had left school
or had left her home and was playing in bars
and stuff like that. Nancy was still too young. She's
playing little acoustic sets on her own and coffee shops,
and so they hook up with her, and immediately upon
hearing her voice, they're like, oh, dang, greatnest rock voice
for a female of all time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, and then that's the interesting thing. We're talking about
the mid seventies, this is nineteen seventy five. How many
female lead singers were there?
Speaker 1: So you posed this question yesterday and we started to look.
Speaker 2: Like, in all of rock music history, and obviously you've
got girl groups, but how many of them were playing
rock music in the twenty years that rock and roll
had existed at that point.
Speaker 1: So we came up with Jannis Choplin.
Speaker 2: Who was more blues like that was, yeah.
Speaker 1: We came up with Linda Ronstadt.
Speaker 2: Who was more country Southern California rock crew, yeah California.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We came up with Stevie Nicks. Yeah, she wasn't
even the lead singer for Fleewood Mac. Yeah she was.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously she had a lot of their hits,
but the lead singing duties were rotating in that group
for sure. And then Pat Benatar, but she didn't come
around until later in the seventies, and so I think
the case could be made this is the first rock
group with a female lead singer.
Speaker 1: If you guys are out there and you know somebody
we missed, we would love to hear what it is.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, obviously certain groups exist. I mean, if
you come to us with you know, Missy and the
Pussycats or whatever, I'm gonna be like, who the crap
was that? What do what?
Speaker 1: No, Missy and the Pussycats. Yeah, that is the new
rock band we need to hear from.
Speaker 2: So by seventy five, they've got Anne Wilson, They've got
Michael Durotier or de Rozier. I'm not really sure if
he's French or not. He's on drums. Howard Leacy is
playing guitar with them, and he's around for a while.
He does he's on this album.
Speaker 1: Right. He gets inducted in the Hall of Fame, the
Rock and Ball Hall of Fame because of his involvement.
Speaker 2: With hard Yep, all these guys did twenty thirteen, Ye,
the original founding members did. And then after the band's
been together for a little while, Nancy joins the band
and they're like another girl, but she's got some chops
and obviously she's beautiful too, so hey, we'll take her.
Right now, they're playing some crappy gigs, they are paying
their dues. And in nineteen seventy five they were in
Vancouver because Anne's love interest, who had become her husband,
was Roger Fisher's brother Michael, who then became the manager
of the band. He had moved to Canada to avoid
the draft. Oh is that why he has a draft dodger?
Which is interesting because ann in Nancy's dad was in
the military. He's a Marine, but he flat out left
the Marines, left after twenty something years of service because
of Vietnam because he was like, this is not a
conflict we need to be involved in. And so they
were worried about how he would react to Michael Fisher,
and it actually turned he actually said, you're brave for
having the courage to stand up for what you believe
and get out while you could, you know, and we're
talking about like people were raiding his house to come
get him to be in the draft, like he had
been drafted. And he walked out the back window as
they came in and went up to Canada.
Speaker 1: Okay, she falls in love with him.
Speaker 2: She writes the song magic Man about him their very
first meeting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't understand, mama. He's a magic man, got
the magic hands.
Speaker 2: But he's managing the band they're playing up in Canada.
They all kind of make their way up to Canada
so that he can manage the band. And in Canada
they play at a Vancouver high school in nineteen seventy five,
played the Promye oh whoa would you like to guess
who was the class president of that high school in Vancouver,
Canada in nineteen seventy five?
Speaker 1: If you tell me it's Brian Adams, not going to die.
Speaker 2: It's not Brian Adams. But you think of one more
famous Canadian that we've talked about on one of our
first episodes, and you'll have it.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Michael J. Fox, are you effing kidding me?
Speaker 2: I am not kidding you.
Speaker 1: Michael J.
Speaker 2: Fox, Class president of the nineteen seventy five Vancouver high
school class had Heart perform at the prom.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is incredible.
Speaker 2: I was hoping to blill your nugget that. Yeah, is
that freaking awesome or what?
Speaker 1: I shell shocks if you will way to bring it home?
I like that is fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was absolutely great.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm stunned. That's incredible, right? Love it? Okay, So
moving on to the next song. Moving on to the
next song. Next song is called Nobody's Home.
Speaker 5: Don't move too fast like a shot from a car,
don't jump too hard and knock out the sun, don't
straight to fall out on your own when you finally
come knocking, when you finally come knock, and moving nobody
at Home.
Speaker 2: So, once again, I don't know how this isn't another
couple's move to the dance floor single that they seem
to have done so well with on side one.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. This could be a makeout
classic from nineteen eighty six. Absolutely, absolutely couples move out
to the dance floor. This could have been a top ten.
Speaker 2: Hit for hert you throw it into a John Hughes
high school movie and everybody's going to be clamoring for
the single.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I think Anne's voice is really undisplaying this one.
I mean, her voice is always out front, but it's soft.
It's almost like a rock lullaby. But her it's just
so beautiful. I love it.
Speaker 2: Make Out classic absolutely. So speaking of making out, I
mentioned in the last song that Nancy had joined the band. Well, eventually,
you know, she starts making out with Roger Fisher. So
you have Ann Wilson with Michael Fisher and Nancy Wilson
with Michael's brother, Roger Fisher. And they got married, both couples,
So you got sisters married to brothers, which is you know,
it's not super weird, but it's it's a novel thing. Yeah.
But the problem was is that after some time of
being married and being in a mega successful rock and
roll band, Roger Fisher started doing drugs and other chick yes,
And so eventually Nancy found out about that. She's none
too happy he came home. Nobody's home.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 1: Well then, but they still had to.
Speaker 2: Perform on stage together, right, and so you know, he
freely admits I regret the decision, I regret that I
did that all that stuff. But then she starts developing
feelings for the drummer Michael Derozier.
Speaker 1: There's no way this works out.
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be the opposite of what happens. It
is the opposite of working out. So at some show,
after many shows of her looking, you know, googly eyed
at the drummer, her ex being right there seeing it
all happen. He's strung out on drugs. His guitar isn't
working well that night's to getting out of tune, and
he melts down and has a guitar smashing show, not
like Pete Townsend, but like in the middle of the set,
this isn't the show end Like, Yeah, he freaking smashes
it against the ground, throws it down, and walks off
the stage. And the next day they said, Roger, we
took a vote and you have been dismissed. You're fired.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, Anne is still married to his brother who's
the manager of the band.
Speaker 2: Michael is still managing the band even after all of that. Yeah,
and obviously they stayed together for ten years. But after
ten years they it became too hard for them as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, so ultimately the girls gain control of the band. Yeah,
after they fired everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in eighty two, you've lost the founding members
Roger Fisher and Steve Fawson. You've lost Michael de Rogier
because he had the romance and then it was gone,
and that's what happens by obviously they're also doing coke
and not having as much success with their albums. So
basically Howard Lessie is staying on. You have Anne and
Nancy is the stay through members of the band, and
in eighty two that's when they bring on Mark Andy's
to play the bass. He used to play with Canned Heat, Ok.
And then you have the famous Denny kerr Maassi on drums.
He played with Montrose and Sammy by himself.
Speaker 1: Our buddy James Buckley is a big fan of Denny Carmassi.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And those are the guys playing on this album
of course. Yeah, so you have basically a five member
band with this one, but then you've got all of
those extra backing people like Holly Knight, like Grey Slick
and Johnny Cola and Mickey Thomas. You also have Frankie
Sullivan from Survivor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays guitar on this song exactly because of
ron Nevison's involvement with Survivor. From Vital Signs, an album
that we hope to cover sometime this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing it.
Speaker 1: Okay. I love this song, d if it? Would it
shock you to say that this is one of my
favorite songs on the album.
Speaker 2: Not a bit you love. You love the slow dance songs,
you love the thick out hits.
Speaker 1: I do Yeah, Okay, next song the album, Let's do it.
Next song the album is a song called nothing at.
Speaker 4: All do the it wouldn't be my seven s.
Speaker 2: I freaking love this smash man, I mean this is
this is right up the starship Alley of the day
right like this is a very it has that style
about it, but I freaking love it.
Speaker 1: It's pop rock, it's light hits. It just does a
feel good, fun song with Anne's powerful voice. Yeah, fantastic.
This is the fourth single released April of nineteen eighty six.
It reaches number ten on the charts. Okay Quick rundown,
real quick. Yeah. Of songs that will never ever get
to talk about it again, probably number nine Who's Johnny?
By l DeBarge from the Circuit Yeah, Number eight holding
back the years by simply read I love It. Number
seven A Different Corner by George Michael Exact my exact
extent corner. Yes, I don't recognize this song, don't. This
is from Wham nineteen eighty six, The Edge of Heaven.
I am dumbfounded that I'd have no memory of that
song at all and it was in the top ten.
I'm dumbfounded as well. Wow, Okay, Yeah, number six, No
one is to blame Howard Jones. Yeah, I mean it's
surrounded by songs we know well, right very well. Yeah.
Number five I Can't Wait by New Shoes, I can't Wait,
number four, Live to Tell by Madonna, Number four Madonna,
Lift to Tell, number three, Crush on You by the Jets. Yeah,
number two, They'll be sad songs by Billy Oshana, and
then number one on My Own by Michael McDonald and
Patty LaBelle Go.
Speaker 2: Check out the Yet Rock Okay good documentary.
Speaker 1: All right, I gotta drop this nugget on you. So
on this album, ron Nevison's going through his list of
songs written by other people. Okay, he comes across this song.
This song was actually written by a guy named Mark Mueller. Okay.
Mark Mueller wrote a song called Crush by Jennifer Page,
which was all over the radio in the late nineties.
He wrote a song called That's what Love Is For
by Amy Grant. He wrote the theme for the Duck
Tales TV show Okay right, He wrote the theme for
Chippendale Rescue Rangers, and he wrote the Babysitter Blues Adventures
and Babysitty.
Speaker 4: And It's So Hot.
Speaker 3: And babysitting these guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, now here's the interesting thing about this other than
Babysitter Blues, which is freaking fantastic. Ron Nevison was going
through his songs and he found this one and he
was playing it with one of the record executives, a
guy named Don, and Don's like that one's going to
be a hit, and Ron's like, really, I mean do
you do you really think so? And Don's like trust me,
and like it was that connection of put this on
the album, gotta trust me, and he said, okay, I
trust you. And guess what it was. The video for
this is. I mean, they are They've got their hair
teas all the way up. There's panthers walking around, right,
but you can clearly see if you watch it critically,
they're hiding in. Oh I think she got a little extra.
She wasn't doing enough coke sorry, they weren't stretching the video,
but they clearly moved Nancy very much to the front
and to the back. But the song's great, fantastic, I
love it.
Speaker 2: So this is the second to last song on the album.
What he don't know?
Speaker 1: Kay?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: According to ron Nevison, so what can I say? The
last few songs on an album are usually not the best,
but they got to go somewhere. I don't think it's
a bad song. It just doesn't have that punch you
in the face hit quality.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have the punch you in the face. I
think the lyrics are sound like this is kind of
the flip side of it looks it looks could kill.
To me, this is one where I feel like the
lyrics are strong, but they didn't deliver on the music
on this one. I feel like a different version of
this could be a great song.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, according to ron Nevison, again, he's like,
this is what they were coming up with, which is
why we had to bring in the outside writers. Gotcha again,
It's not a bad song, no? Is it? Top five,
top ten, number one, No, that's why.
Speaker 2: But it's still I still say little tweaking, you know something,
mess with it like White Snake did on Here I
Go Again, and you definitely could have a hit.
Speaker 1: Maybe so yeah, maybe so. Yeah. By the way, Lynn
Wilson is singing backup vocals on this song.
Speaker 2: And Nancy's older sister.
Speaker 1: Older sister. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Last song on the album, last song, shell Shock, another rocker,
big banger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fine song.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's not a skipper, No, it's not. There's no skippers.
I don't think this album has any skippers at all.
There are songs that you might call filler, but there's
still great songs with her voice.
Speaker 1: Is there really any skippers?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't listened to every one of their albums,
but my goodness, just to an incredible voice, and Nancy's
guitar playing is fantastic as well.
Speaker 1: It is. We can't discredit her. And you know we
talked about this, fair or unfair. Nancy's look was perfect
for MTV. Yeah, and Anne's voice were perfect for what
these songs needed. It's a great one to two combination.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I will say this this, This is the last song on
the album. This was the first in a trifecta of
three great rock hair metal tie of albums that they
came up with in the late eighties. Yep. The next
song is that they released as a song called Alone.
Every time I listened to it, it blows my socks.
Speaker 2: Off every time, every time. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: That album was great. It had some great songs who
Will You Run To? And There's the Girl. And then
the next album they released in nineteen ninety, All I
Want to Do is make Love to You beautiful song
produced by Mutt Lang. I mean there were a hit machine,
yeah for those five years.
Speaker 2: And they made a deal with the devil to get
it done. That's right, Yeah, that's right, Mutt Lang being
one of the main devils. Yeah. Okay, So one last tidbit.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm ready for it.
Speaker 2: You ready, yes, okay. Nancy Wilson gave Eddie van Halen
his first acoustic guitar. What so we've talked about and
we are. One of our first, very first episodes was
the van Halen van Hagar dispute, right, and Eddie started
with an electric guitar. He played electric guitar from the beginning,
and so Nancy says she was the one who gave
him his first acoustic guitar. Now that is separate from
another Van Halen's story I read, and I don't know
if it was the same day, but apparently as a
in consideration, he offered to have a foursome with her
and Ann and Alex.
Speaker 1: Take it to leave a baby. Oh my gosh, how
much Blow was involved in that?
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think they took him up on his offer.
How about you just go play that acoustic guitar, Eddie
tell Valerie we said.
Speaker 1: Hi, I can't top that.
Speaker 2: Mike dropping it right now?
Speaker 1: Man? Okay, Well that does it for Heart's nineteen eighty
five album.
Speaker 2: Guys, be sure and hit that follow button, hit that
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can come back for next week when we are going
to cover Dire Straits Brothers in Arms against this album.
And these are two nineteen eighty five albums, both celebrating
their fortieth anniversary this year. Big at the same time,
but very different, very different. I am excited to talk
about the differences between the two of them, and can't
beat some of those songs on.
Speaker 1: The Dire Straits album.
Speaker 2: Come back next week, see you guys then,