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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Genie Alexander and you're listening to this

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Surely you Can't Be.

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Speaker 2: Serious podcast, hosted by my good friends Dee and Jason.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Dean, we've been doing this podcast now for

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over five years. This is our sixth year, Yes, and

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I think it's time that we have a podcast makeover. Okay, okay,

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And so here's what I'm suggesting. I think you should

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go real dark with like purple highlights, and I go

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the blonde with kind of the red highlights, and you

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be the dark one. I'd be the light one. And

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since I'm the big one, I'm gonna hide behind you

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the whole time.

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Speaker 2: I got a course that you can use up and together.

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Just remember that when you show the cleavage, not only

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do the guys in the porsches see it, but the

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guys with one tooth driving the bus also see. It's

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kind of like a grenade. You're gonna hit anybody who's.

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Speaker 1: Around, right right.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast. Everybody.

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We are happy to be back. We've we've updated a

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little bit, We've got our background back here. Jason has

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done an incredible job putting these albums up here on

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our wall. And these are real, legitimate like lpie albums.

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Vinyl in there, all of them, right, We've got vinyl

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in just about every single thing here, single lot of them. Yeah,

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many of them gifts from our dear friend Chris Webbers,

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whoever is giveing me a lot of those. Yeh yeah,

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super fan love him. And if you want to have

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a little fun in this episode, you can kind of

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gaze behind us because we're not that interesting. But see

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how many of these albums you can guess? A couple

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of them are pretty obvious, and some of them are

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less obvious. And I can see one that I will

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be referencing one at least album that I will be

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referencing today, and I think it's yep. I can see

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it from here, so I'm excited to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: What are we talking about today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we are talking about a band and an album.

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The band is world famous and has been for fifty years. Sure,

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they've had top two hundred albums in the seventies, the eighties,

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the nineties, and the twenty tenths, so four decades and

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you've got a top two hundred album in every single

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one of those ressas. That's pretty good. But we're going

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to talk today about the album that is their biggest

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success but that they completely disregard.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know it really breaks my heart when we

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need to dive into this whole story, but it yeah

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hurts me to hear that story.

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Speaker 2: So this story that idea of, you know, like we're

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disregarding this album that really brought us our most commercial success.

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It's one thing, but it makes it reminds me of a.

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Speaker 1: Story that I heard.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So in the nineties, Lane Staley, the lead singer

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for Alison Chains, is hanging out over at Anne Wilson's

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house and she's swimming at the pool and he's sitting

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pool side having a beer. I mean, she was friends

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with those guys cool And he's sitting there and this

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is a couple of years before his you know, ultimate overdose,

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and a meteor goes by in the sky and it

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literally it's so bright and it's not even nighttime, it's daytime,

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but this meteor goes by, it's so bright that it

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lights his face up. And she's swimming in the pool

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and she sees it, and he sees it, and he's like,

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did you see that? He said, you just don't like that.

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You don't see things like that. Do you know how

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lucky we are, how lucky we are to have been

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here in this moment and had this star shooting experience.

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this at least four or five times they had that

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experience in the record industry, and the biggest, brightest shooting

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star that they had, they don't like, Ah, that's a

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Speaker 1: I'd see where you're going with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a little weird.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, that's interesting. And of course Lane Staley talking

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about how lucky he is at anything is a little

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bit er. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Well, and apparently Jerry Cantrell crawled into bed with Anne

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Wilson at some point. I don't know that. I don't

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think anything was ever consummated there. And I think that

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Mike Starr, before his ultimate demise, rated her closet for

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some of her cool eighties Get Upside.

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Speaker 1: I've got a story on their yeah, sort of their

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Speaker 2: Well, when in one of these parties, you know, we

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this album. But at one of the parties in the

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nineties that you got the grunge kids around, and they're like,

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you know, I liked Barracuda and like Crazy on You

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and those were cool songs. Your eighties stuff sucked. And

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she's like, hey, if you don't like the house that

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the eighties stuff bought, you can get the.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, because I'm glad that she defended it though. Yeah,

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this is the album that made them ultra wealthy.

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Speaker 1: Ultra wealthy. And I will say this, the eighties stuff

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does not suck. This album suck. Great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, if it had been an album written by

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other people, this is and then time goes by and

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was just a terrible experience. You know, it was popular

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for a minute, but that's just not good stuff. That's

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one thing. But these are timeless hits.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they play them on the radio all the time. Yeah,

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by the way, you know you just mentioned it. They

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kind of disregard this album. They don't play the songs

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very much in concert, and kind of has a sourpuss

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attitude about these particular songs, mainly because they didn't write them.

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They saw themselves as songwriters. But this, you know, this

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was their comeback album and they were rescued, like Capitol

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rescued them. And they said, listen, you've had two albums,

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Private Audition and Passion Works, which didn't even certify. They

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didn't didn't even make gold.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they only sold four hundred thousand copies.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how sad, right, But Capitol came in and said, listen,

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we want to do this with you. I think that

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they can give a lot of credit to the Footloose

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soundtrack because and Wilson and then Mike Greno had one

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massive hit from the footloop soundtrack, the Nights.

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Speaker 3: Oh how good I have all my life?

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Speaker 2: There we go. That's not the album I was going

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Speaker 1: Keep Going Right reached number seven on the charts, and

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they said, you know what, this girl is super talented,

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this band is super talented. We can do something. They

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just got to have better songs. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, the A and R guy that had picked him

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thing for Tina Turner and for Joe Cocker and several

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other of those seventies acts that he was trying to

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bring back into the mainstream again, and he had obviously

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done it pretty successfully with those two, and so why not,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And this is the same formula, the same science experiment.

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and it worked like Gangbusters for Heart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to bring in some songwriters who know

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how to write hits. Sorry that you're not writing your

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own stuff, but that's part of the deal.

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Speaker 1: We offer you a bazillion dollars in mega hits, or

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Speaker 2: History, right unsigned, Okay, okay. Before we dive in track

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by track for the Heart album, we need to give

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a shout out to our executive producers. Yes, we have

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had a slew in this last week. We have had

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Lynette Harris, Yes, thank you Lynette.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Lynette. We've had Richard Buck, Thank you Richard.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys. Yeah, we have my dear friend Gotier

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Pirozak who has joined the Patreon family. Finally, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Ger.

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Speaker 2: Gotier goes on long drives. He has to drive like

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through Texas for his job. And he says, that's my time.

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I just binge listened to all of your episodes over

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that time, so we won't talk about the show, and

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then all of a sudden we'll have eighteen episodes. We

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also have Dominic Tara Bassi. Thank you very much, Dominic.

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We appreciate your contribution to us.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: If you want to become Patreon members, you can join

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the member page for free. If you want to have

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a paid membership, that will get you access to all

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of our one Hit Wonder episodes, which are fantastic, and

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we have some novelty songs like Mariah Carey and the

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Christmas Song and Kokomo that you did with Deaf Dave.

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But we've kind of developed a new formula for this

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where one of us will pick a song and the

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other one has to try to guess what it is.

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And it's a great audience participation. We got a sample

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to go check that one out. I think the title

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of the episode is basically, can you guess this song

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before Jason does?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And we do that. It's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantastic, so guys, please go check out our

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Speaker 1: We would love but if you would.

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Speaker 2: Financially support us for as little as a cup of

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coffee for one of us every other month, you know,

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maybe would go to the movies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So we do appreciate you guys so much. Those

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Speaker 2: All right, so you have some statistics for some chart.

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the album itself. Yeah, it's a little tricky to reference

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this album because it is the self titled album Heart

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from nineteen eighty five, right, Okay, And when they asked

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Ann Wilson, why did you name it Heart? Like why

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did you just self title it? She's like, well, I'm

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trying not to put my sourpust spin on this, but basically, well,

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we didn't write the songs, so we didn't feel the

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closeness with the album to name it anything enough that

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it would be real, right yeah. And I'm like, eh, good,

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try harder, try harder. Okay. I have a suggestion, Yeah,

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how about these dreams streams? Yeah? Or it looks to

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call it cleavage and you'd even sold more covers, right,

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call it Nancy's legs. Yeah, this one a Grammy for

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Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group, five times platinum.

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this is his most successful album he ever produced. Yep. Okay. Now,

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he was the sound engineer on Physical Graffiti for led Zeppelin,

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which we think got him this job because the Wilson

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Jefferson Starship Kiss Chicago Europe Survivor.

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Speaker 2: He had just come off of Vital Signs when he

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were talking earlier. I'm looking at Vital Signs. I don't

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know how none of those songs made it into our

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top five of nineteen eighty five chick album. Yeah, and

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like we got a match up. Those are two perfect

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albums to match up. Vital Signs by Survivor Chicago nineteen

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seventeen by Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Okay, let's do it. It's done, that done,

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Let it be said, Let it.

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Speaker 2: Be so so, let it be written so let.

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Speaker 1: It be done. Yes, But did I say that he

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did Damn Yankees album? No, I love the Damn.

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Speaker 2: Yanke You you have a They're They're like your ugly

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girlfriend in the back that you just love even though

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she's not that cute.

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Speaker 1: But sure fun hang out with.

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the job after meeting the girls. He met them in

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Speaker 1: Yeah. This album was released June twenty first, nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 2: And you thought I wasn't paying attention.

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Speaker 1: I'd like you said that it reached number one December

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twenty first, nineteen eighty five. There you go. Do you

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know what it knocked out of the number one spot?

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Speaker 2: Eighty five late eighty five, late eighty five.

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Speaker 1: I'm covered by the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast? Go,

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I guess it's Purple Rain. It's the Miami Vice soundtrack.

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Speaker 2: Oh raight.

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Speaker 1: Knocked the Miami Vice soundtrack out of the number one spot,

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and then for one Glorious Week, and then Miami Vice

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came in and said, get out of our stock, pick

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back over. Yeah, I will tell you this, the Miami

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Vice soundtrack knocked out Brothers in Arms by Dire Straits,

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which had a nine week run at number one.

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Speaker 2: That, by the way, we didn't mention it. That's the

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album that we're comparing this album too. We are doing

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Dire Straits Brothers in Arms versus nineteen eighty five Heart

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and So Yeah. At the end of these two episodes,

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we'll give our opinion on which of these two albums

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is the one we're gonna pick up. As we're walking

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out the door. It's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: It is okay, all right, I'm ready to dive into songs,

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So let's go. First song, Alligate is called if Lukes

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Could Kill.

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Speaker 4: Catch You.

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Speaker 1: Mess.

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Speaker 4: I won't hear you.

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Speaker 3: Say your song it is nobody.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting this feeling like I've seen a lady taken

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off her clothes in an Arnold Schwarzeningger movie to this song.

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Did that happen? Did I make that up?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't remember that specific scene.

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Speaker 2: Strip club scene from Raw Deal?

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Speaker 1: Is it okay? Raw Deal? Produced by you know, Dyla

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Renis and Arnold Schwartz, singer in nineteen eighty six. Yep,

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that version of the song was a dance song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a discoy style version. Yeah, we

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gotta listen to that right here. Yeah, I am yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Let me say this. I heard this intro guitar on

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this piece and I was like, heck, yeah, you're starting

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it off right and they're rocking it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They are doing a great I mean, much better than

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the introduction to that other song and really getting it.

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But then I started listening to the words and I'm like,

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I don't like, this isn't doing it for me. I

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know that a lot of people love this one. This

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is one of This was the last single off of

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the album, this single, and it didn't do as well

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obviously as the other ones, but it didn't do nothing either.

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But it's just it's my least favorite song on the album.

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Speaker 1: What are You crazy? I Am not? I just this

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is not this. I love this song. I think it's fantastic.

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In fact, I got this album for Christmas in nineteen

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eighty five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was.

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Speaker 1: At my grandmother's house, had the cassette tape and I

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go scour my grandmother's house for a tape deck. Yeah,

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well grandma's don't have tape decks, not back then. Now, well,

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she had a little radio like all tune in radio

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on our kitchen counter.

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Speaker 2: Lots of Grandma's with tape decks right now.

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Speaker 1: True, true, But there was a place for a cassette

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where you inserted it. It was like a VCR tape. Like you.

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You didn't kick anything out and slide it in. You

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just went okay. And I remember I heard this song

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first because you couldn't fast forward anything. And Grandma's definitely

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not right. And that first song out of the gate,

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I was like, this song kicks, but I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah again, I love the guitar intro. I thought it's

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a great intro song for the album. It's just that

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this is an album. I've said it. This is an

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album full of potential number one singles. Okay, like the

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whole album. Any one of these songs they could have

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released and had had a smash it, and they did

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with several of them, right Yeah, So when I say

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it's least on the list for me, that's not necessarily

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that big of an insult. Okay, Okay, it's still a

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great intro song. It's just that I don't feel like

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the words are great for me for this song. And

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it's obviously it's a cover of somebody else's song that

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had already been released and that had already been you know,

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picked up for the Raw Deal movie. That won't be

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the first time that's happened. So they had this song.

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Capitol Records has this song and they're looking to give

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it to Tina Turner and ron Nevinson is like, the

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producer is like, excuse me, that's not a Teena Turner song.

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Speaker 1: That's an Ann Wilson song. That we take this little

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dancy pop thing, we rock it up and we give

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the Ann Wilson attitude to it. Looks could kill you

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be lying on the floor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he loves the lyrics. I must be

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in the minority here because he loved the lyrics, but

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not the best one on the album for me.

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Speaker 1: So this was the comeback album for the Wilson sisters, right,

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And they had to agree on three things. Look, you

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guys got to mutually agree on a producer, okay, And

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Ann Wilson said, we wanted a producer with a vision

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for where we're going, and ron Nevison had that. So

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that check one. The girls had to agree on all

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the songs, and number three, they had to be opened

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to songs written by other people.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, that last one's a little fuzzy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Here's the interesting thing I think on that, uh huh,

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is you know how it goes. We're like, listen, girls,

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you guys got to be open to other songs written

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by other people in case we need them.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: Down the road, it's like, well, you guys wrote. You

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guys wrote three or four songs for this album. We're

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not releasing any of them, right, he wrote, although I

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think one could have been a hit. Yeah, at least

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one could have been a major hit. And we'll talk

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about that here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'll have to share that with me. Okay, okay,

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were ready to go to song number two?

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Speaker 1: Song number two?

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Speaker 2: My good, here it comes.

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Speaker 1: He's the hair, he's the bangs.

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Speaker 4: I've been the.

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Speaker 6: Lame, I've been waiting for you.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretunding and that's all I can do, the seting,

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and I can it through to your hot.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you could give me a better example

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of nineteen eighty five synthesizer infused heavy, hard guitar rocking,

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beautiful power ballad than this.

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Speaker 4: You've been hiding.

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Speaker 6: Never let.

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Speaker 4: Always trying to keep it on next t.

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Speaker 1: I love it right, I mean this is this just

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sounds like aquinet right. This is the song that started

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the comeback trail. I might make a case that almost

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Paradise started it, but this is the one for heart right.

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This song was originally written and recorded by a Canadian

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rock band called Toronto.

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Speaker 2: Big fan of Toronto, I don't know them exactly right,

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swung in a mess for them.

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Speaker 1: Well, so here's the deal. It was written by Sharon

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Allen and Brian Allen. That's a married couple. They were

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in the band Toronto together. They wrote this song, wanted

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to release it as a single and the rest of

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the band said no, not even good. Now you know

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who else co wrote this song with them? Jim Valance.

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Speaker 2: Jim Valance who collaborated with Brian Adams A R. Adams

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up there, Okay there the second album.

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Speaker 1: Jim Valance also played drum on that track. Okay, we

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got to listen to that song real quick.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you have a far too quiet backing vocal

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in an exchange back and forth with the what about

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love instead of having the lead singer fully sing it.

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And that's that's a bit. That's the difference, right, the

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fail right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what ron Nevison came in and he said,

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here's an undiscovered, uncut diamond. Let's polish it up and

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let Ann Wilson give her big voice for the chorus.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that song as it was by Toronto,

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except for that chorus. Like you're talking about, and I

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told you, it's like I'm listening to Berlin. You know,

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this is this is I could be watching Tom Cruise

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making out with Kelly McGill's right, right, I can see it. Sure,

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But obviously Ann Wilson has arguably the best female rock

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voice in history.

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Speaker 1: She's in the conversation, I am not disagreeing with you. Yeah,

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she's got a kick you in the nuts, punch you

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in the face rock voice. And this is what this

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song needed.

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Speaker 2: You're right. And if if there's an opportunity to sing,

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let's let and do it. Yeah right, yeah, Now, we

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don't need we don't need the backing vocals to give

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us part of this chorus.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Speaking of backing vocals, you know who's sang

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background vocals on this song?

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Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I do?

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Speaker 1: Hey, give it to me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you got you get Starship flying in here? Yes,

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because you don't have just one member of STIP but

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two you've got Grace Slick and Mickey Thomas. Yes, Mickey

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Thomas himself.

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Speaker 1: That's right. So when ron Nevison brought this to the

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Wilson Sisters, they didn't like it because they thought the

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demo sounded wimpy. And instead of saying, yeah, but I

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can rock that up, take charge of this thing, he said,

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Let's see how much power we can add to it.

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Let's heart it up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, say what you will about Starship. They can

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provide some powerful backing vocals. Those there, It's great, right.

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Speaker 1: This song actually led to the breakup of Toronto because

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they wanted to release it. They didn't screw your guys,

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screw your guys, and that's when Toronto died. By the way,

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this song reached number ten in nineteen eighty five. Do

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you want to know the ten all right?

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Speaker 2: I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So number ten is what about love? Number nine

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is every time you go away?

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Speaker 2: That almost made my Top five of nineteen eighty five list.

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Speaker 1: Number eight If you love Somebody, Set Them Free by

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Sting Yep, go back to our police episod. Number seven

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Summer of sixty nine by Brian Adams. Sure. Number six

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We Don't Need Another Hero by Tina Turner. We just

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talked about her. Number five Freeway of Love by Aretha Franklin.

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I brought her up to you yesterday. We might mention

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her in a second.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Number four sant Almo's Fire by John Parr, which go cover.

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Speaker 2: Go check our Patreon page Boys and Girls right.

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Speaker 1: Number three Never Surrender by Corey Hart. That was yes,

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I remember that to Shout by Tears for Fears.

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Speaker 2: Covered that one as well.

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Speaker 1: Number one Power of Love by Huey Lewis in the news.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And as long as we're talking two songs on

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the top ten, I'll bring it up now. Do you

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know who also played on these songs? Guy named Johnny Cola.

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You might recognize him as the saxophone player for this

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little band right over here. And so yeah, Huey.

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Speaker 1: Lewis screams his name in the Heart of Rock and Roll.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Johnnay, you got it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, I got to talk about the video for

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just a second.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Video was shot in London, of course. This is after

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their makeover. The girls AND's gone really dark with the

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purple highlights, Nancy's gonelatin blonde, platinum blonde with red highlights,

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boobs up and together for everyone, right course, it's.

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Speaker 2: The way I like them. It's the way everybody back

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in the nineteen eighties liked them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, This music You Do was directed by David Mallett.

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It's the same guy who did Call Me White. Wedding

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photographed by def Leppard, Rock of Ages, Crimson and Clover

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by Jon Jet Radio Gaga, Rocky like a Hurricane, Tears

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are following, and thunderstruck. This guy's done a lot. According

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Todan Wilson, Mallett wanted to transform them into porn kittens.

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Maybe he did. It also sold a crap ton.

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Speaker 2: Of records it did. Yes, and the last.

470
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: Thing on this song, Anne said she sang this song angry.

471
00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:57,319
It was like a accusation to this guy, Well, yeah,

472
00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:01,000
what about love? Don't you want somebody to care about you? Yeah?

473
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,319
Instead of the whimpy version that we get from Toronto. Yeah, Okay,

474
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:53,319
next song on the album is a song called Never.

475
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: I freaking love it like it's just it's it's funky

476
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,240
and gets the dance beat to it. You got the

477
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,319
the woohoo's and the AHAs at the beginning. I mean

478
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,319
just there's nothing but good about this song.

479
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: This is the one that convinced me that I needed

480
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,839
this tape for Christmas. Nineteen eighty five. Yeah, it's just

481
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,839
a great song. This reached number four on the charts.

482
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,319
This is a huge song for them. Yeah, this is

483
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,160
lighting the fire on the comeback. They're killing it straight

484
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:14,559
off the bat. This song was co written by Holly Knight,

485
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,200
huh and a guy named Jeene Black. Okay, Yeah, I

486
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,440
heard ron Nevison talk about this. He's like, one of

487
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,519
the ways that you can introduce new songs to a

488
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:25,720
band is you can say, hey, girls, why don't you

489
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:30,200
write some songs with Holly Knight. Huh. Makes it easier

490
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,119
for them to swallow this idea that they're co writing

491
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000
these songs with an established writer like Holly Knight.

492
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: But by the way, for those who don't know Holly Knight, obsession.

493
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,759
Speaker 1: Obsession better be good to me. Love is a battlefield.

494
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,319
Stick to your guns by Bon Jovi Hide Your Heart

495
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,079
by Kiss the Warrior, Love Touch.

496
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,319
Speaker 2: She is a well known hit song writer and by

497
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,240
the way, she also played the keyboards on this Yeah,

498
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,599
she played the keyboards on this album.

499
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: Yeah okay cool and and Nancy would write the song

500
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,519
with their best friend named Sue Ennis okay, and together

501
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:10,079
they had a pseudonym Connie Okay. So anytime you look

502
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:13,000
at the credits, any song written by Connie.

503
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: Is Anne, Nancy and Sue, Sue their friend Sue Okay.

504
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:19,880
I don't know where you get Connie from all of that.

505
00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:22,599
Speaker 1: Neither so Sue.

506
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: I actually went to high school with Anne, and high

507
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,240
school was a hard time for Anne. Like she is

508
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:33,279
obviously an incredible singer and has incredible confidence, but high

509
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,279
school was not a time that she had that, and

510
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,680
when she hit her teen years, she gained a bunch

511
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,880
of weight and was ridiculed by her classmates. She'd actually

512
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,279
grown up as a kid with a stutter because of

513
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:51,480
the insecurities that she had, and she said, singing was

514
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,079
the very first time I completed a sentence without stuttering.

515
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: Wow.

516
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: So it literally this the music literally saved her from

517
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,640
her speech impediment. And so when she was young, she

518
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:08,599
got mono and was out of school for three months. Yes,

519
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,920
and so to help her from going stir crazy, her

520
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,319
parents bought her a guitar, and she only had a

521
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,839
kind of passing interest in it, but she had a

522
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:20,799
little sister was four years younger who was hanging around,

523
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,799
and the sister treated the guitar like her new best friend. Yes,

524
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,200
played it over and over, slept with it, and she

525
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,920
and Anne, who would eventually also play guitar again, would

526
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,000
just sit and listen to music and play songs together.

527
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:40,119
They grew up from very very young doing this together,

528
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,039
and they're still doing it together now years later.

529
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: I did hear that the family nicknamed Nancy whiz Fingers.

530
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,599
She was good. She's really really good. By the way,

531
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,000
You've got a little nugget for us on who Nancy

532
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:57,359
was dating at the time this record was recorded.

533
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,799
Speaker 2: I don't know where she was in the day process,

534
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,839
but I heard them talking about their first airplane ride.

535
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:10,920
And there's a moment in this movie called Almost Famous

536
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:14,240
where they're on an airplane and it's like it starts

537
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,160
to have the bad things happen. It looks like the

538
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,799
airplane's going to go down, and everybody just starts confessing

539
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,359
all their well. Almost Famous was written by a guy

540
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,599
named Cameron crow That scene is based upon the heart

541
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,799
experience in their own airplane about almost dying not just once,

542
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920
but a couple of different times in the Bermuda Triangle.

543
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,880
No less, and the reason that Cameron Crowe is familiar

544
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,160
with that story is because he ended up marrying Nancy Wilson.

545
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,559
I had no idea that they were married. Cameron Crowe,

546
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,200
who is the Rolling Stone guy who wrote Almost Famous.

547
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,680
He wrote Jerry Maguire, he got something.

548
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:54,839
Speaker 1: Else, Fast Times a Ridgemont High Say Anything.

549
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: Oh Yeah? And Nancy, of course you mentioned this to

550
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,000
me has a cameo moment in Fast Times at Ridge.

551
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,079
Speaker 1: She is quote unquote the beautiful girl in the car.

552
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,880
She also does the closing credit song for Say Anything,

553
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,519
which I'm getting ready to join Dayton Johnson to discuss

554
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:10,039
Say Anything.

555
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:12,279
Speaker 2: Oh Yeah. Go check out the Docking Base seventy seven

556
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:17,160
podcasts and get Dayton Johnson's view on the Say Anything

557
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,079
movie with Jason.

558
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait. This song never reached number four, Let

559
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,599
me back out. Number seven is Election Day by Arcadia.

560
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,920
Does that ring a bell to you?

561
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,519
Speaker 2: Does? Because we have a town nearby named Arcadia where

562
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:33,720
you can go to Pops the famous that's by any

563
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:34,759
flavor of pop you.

564
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: Want at that place, ham sandwich flavored pop or whatever.

565
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,119
Speaker 2: Literally had a spaghetti flavored pop at my house.

566
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: Disgusting, it is, Okay. Election Day by Arcadia was what

567
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,680
happened when Duran Duran split up. One group went and

568
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,559
became the power Station, Arcadia became the other one. They

569
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,839
had a top ten hit, number six as You Belong

570
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,319
to the City by Glenn Frye off the Miami Vice soundtrack.

571
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,720
Number five is Say You Say Me by Lionel Richie.

572
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,319
It covered by Shirley Campy. Serious. Number four is Never

573
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,839
number three over there. Number three is We Built This

574
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,279
City by Starship, which I think we're going to talk

575
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:13,359
about here in a second. Maybe. Number two Separate Lives

576
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:16,319
Phil Collins talk about him in a couple of weeks. Yeah.

577
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:19,720
And number one Broken Wings by mister Mister check out

578
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:21,160
our best of nineteen eighty five.

579
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: Yep, it's on there all right now.

580
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: Then, I've got a nugget for you. I'm dying to

581
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:25,680
tell you.

582
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm excited, Okay.

583
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: The Never video was directed by Marty Callner.

584
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:34,799
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and we've talked Marty Colner numerous times. He's

585
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:38,279
directed a ton of videos. He responsible for the HBO

586
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:41,960
theme music. He was their director for a while and

587
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:44,480
came up with the show idea for Hard Knocks.

588
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks. He's responsible for Hard Knocks.

589
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay.

590
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: He's also responsible for Tony Kataine on top of a

591
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:51,720
Jaguar doing cartwheels.

592
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: Two jaguars. One was Marty's, one was David Coverdale's. That's it, yes, okay.

593
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: He's also responsible for Alicia Silverston and all the Aerosmith videos.

594
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,279
Ye go back to our Get a Grip episode that's old. Yep,

595
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,400
chaer did if I could turn back time and a

596
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,920
little skimpy thing on the navy ship. He's responsible for that. Yeah,

597
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,839
and we're not going to take it by twisted sister.

598
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,319
Just to name a few, no slacker, right, yeah, okay,

599
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,440
Now here's the funny quote on Marty Colner. All right,

600
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,279
he was the guy who pushed Nancy to the front

601
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,000
and to the back, and it was one of these

602
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,480
things where we're going to show Nancy's body in Anne's face,

603
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:30,599
and that's what we're going to do, and that's how.

604
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,279
Speaker 2: We're going to go forward.

605
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Okay, And this was his quote. He said, I was

606
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:36,839
the one who pushed Nancy to the front because everybody

607
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,200
told me how much they loved her.

608
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: Tis well, at least he didn't beat around the bush

609
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,440
about it. I mean not only did he do it,

610
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,960
he did it in slow motion. I mean, hey it

611
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,920
that had to be a precursor to Baywatch.

612
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Right. So this is the funny thing. They would actually

613
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:03,279
stretch the video to make and looks slimmer. Okay, yeah,

614
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:07,000
So Mick Kleeber, who is an executive of Capital, said

615
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:09,559
he went to a meeting one day and he's like, guys,

616
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,960
we're stretching the video to make her thin. He goes,

617
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:14,319
let's just get her in the gym and get her

618
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:18,519
in shape. Right, he goes, it's not listen, this is

619
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:22,039
a cost effective way of making her slimmer look better

620
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,960
for videos. He's like, they wanted to burn me at

621
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,880
the stake. They learned nearly threw me out of the meeting,

622
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,359
and they were insulted that I would say such things. Right,

623
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,279
he goes, it's way cheaper, and instead we're spending all

624
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,759
this money, we're stretching the video. By the way, this

625
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,640
was the second single reached number four on the Billboard Charts.

626
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, incredible song, Love it, love it.

627
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. One more thing. I told

628
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,119
you that they their costumes, they're kind of makeover. Got

629
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:47,680
it from two movies.

630
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,079
Speaker 2: I guessed one of them.

631
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:51,319
Speaker 1: You did guess one of them, and that was Purple Rain.

632
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Purple Rain. They took their cues from Prince and the

633
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,039
other was amedaeis.

634
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: Well similar style. Yeah, yeah, okay, next time on the

635
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,240
album Let's do It Okay. I don't know if you've

636
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:06,559
heard of this song before. This song's called These Dreams.

637
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 6: Spare Little Cure, Save some Light Familion, Big is on

638
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:24,239
the head, move in the trees, light scan in Linen,

639
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:33,639
few on my wrist, These Dreams in.

640
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: Can you give me some crispy high hat and some big,

641
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:44,360
warm synthesizers? Yes, and make me feel like it's nineteen

642
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,880
eighty five again. Couples move out to the middle of.

643
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:47,559
Speaker 1: The dance floor.

644
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,639
Speaker 2: Gosh, what a beautiful song.

645
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: That's a good. Third single, released January of eighty six,

646
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,519
reached number one in March of nineteen eighty six. This

647
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:59,840
song was written by Martin Page and Bernie.

648
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: Toppin Bernie Toppin, who, of course normally collaborates with Elton

649
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:05,880
Elton John.

650
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,119
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the guy who wrote all the

651
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:10,639
hits for Elton John. Right now, Martin Page may not

652
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,800
be as familiar to you, but he wrote the King

653
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,320
of Wishful Thinking Church, was a big pop song off

654
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,239
of the Pretty Woman soundtrack. Yep. He also wrote a

655
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:34,599
little song called We Built this City.

656
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: Ah, Starship rears their ugly head again.

657
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: Yes, now, before I tell you the story on that.

658
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,119
He also wrote a song called in the House of

659
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,960
Stone and Light, which was a big hit in the nineties.

660
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,519
It was kind of one of those Martin Page and

661
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:52,559
he was the singer. Oh okay, yeah, So here's the story.

662
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,519
So ron Nevison picks up a tape. It has five

663
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:58,920
songs written by Martin Page and Bernie Toppinka. He's like, oh, great,

664
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,440
five songs written by these two talented songwriters. So he

665
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:04,840
listens to him. He's like, okay, yeah, I like that one. Okay,

666
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,559
that's all right, I don't want to Okay. Oh, this

667
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,800
song is called We Built the City and he heard

668
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,119
it and he had just got done producing Starship's album

669
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,960
and he's like, I would never allow anybody I was

670
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,239
producing to do this song. He said, you could hear

671
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,320
its pop sensibilities. He goes, but it's a ridiculous song.

672
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,320
There's no way I would ever let my group do it.

673
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,159
Starship did it, and of course erased all of the

674
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:32,719
rock cred.

675
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah right, the poppyist of pop starship songs.

676
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: Ever, Yeah, gosh yes. And the other song was These Dreams,

677
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,599
which was actually originally called The Boys in the Mist Okay,

678
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,920
oh yeah, ok, gotcha. Now. It was offered Stevie Nicks,

679
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,199
who turned it down. It was offered to Kim Carnes,

680
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,639
who turned it down. It was offered to Don Henley

681
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,840
who turned it down. But he grabbed it and said, hey,

682
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,280
I think this would be a good song for Nancy. Okay,

683
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,440
for Nancy, for Nancy listen. Yeah, So he always wanted

684
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,559
to do one song with Nancy, and let's just give

685
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:24,079
her a good one. Let her do her thing.

686
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:24,639
Speaker 2: Okay.

687
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: Now I heard him tell the story. The kind of

688
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,960
the urban legend here is that she had a cold

689
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,599
when she recorded it, and so you can kind of

690
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,599
hear her voice breaking, when every second of the night

691
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,559
her voice kind of breaks. Yeah, And he said that

692
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,519
urban legend is sort of true and sort of not true.

693
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:44,119
He said, we we always record a guiding vocal in

694
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,960
order to record the drums and the guitar too. When

695
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,400
she recorded her guiding vocal, she had a cold, and

696
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,960
so when she went to hit those notes, her voice

697
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,880
broke a little bit. And then later when she did

698
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,079
the actual final vocal, it was missing that voice breaking

699
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,400
passion push. And so what he did is he went

700
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,000
out and he clipped out that note and he inserted

701
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,800
it like like took this word and put it in

702
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,440
place right.

703
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 7: And I thought it, man, that's fantastic genius.

704
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,199
Speaker 2: It's missing something, it's missing the imperfection. And that was

705
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,199
I enjoyed listening to the You know, obviously we've listened

706
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:44,639
to several interviews with them. One of them was with

707
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:50,639
Nikki six on his sixth Sense podcast, and the important

708
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:56,039
feature was the this concept of the mistakes make it

709
00:38:56,199 --> 00:39:00,559
yours in today's In today's music, all of the mistakes

710
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,320
are edited out right. They auto tune the voices so

711
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,159
that there's no sharp or flat to your voice. Every

712
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:11,559
voice is perfection. Well, that perfection takes away from the real,

713
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:15,519
the raw of the song. And they said when they're on.

714
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,360
When they're playing on tour. Now, when they're doing concerts

715
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,400
and stuff, people emote about things like when they make mistakes,

716
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:25,559
like every once in a while, you know, in a

717
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,280
show you're like, Okay, well we f that up, let's

718
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,480
start again. Yeah, And people love it. They'll go nuts

719
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:36,280
because it's so real and that's what's missing in so

720
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,039
much of today's music, and people want it. People want

721
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:41,119
to have that voice crack or they want to have

722
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:45,480
that slightly flat, slightly sharp moment in the song because

723
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,159
that's what gives it its humanity.

724
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:50,519
Speaker 1: When Nancy played the song for her mother, her mom's like,

725
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,960
your voice is breaking. Shouldn't you re record that? And

726
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:57,280
Ron was like, please, missus Wilson, do not make me

727
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:57,760
change this.

728
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: Ron, Ron, the huge music producer, was like, please please

729
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,159
missus Willson.

730
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:13,199
Speaker 1: Ron Nevison said that when he played this song for

731
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,440
the girls, Nancy was the one who fell in love

732
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,960
with it right off the bat, and with her enthusiasm

733
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,039
kind of behind it. Anne was on board. And then

734
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:26,559
actually Anne is doing the backing vocals which precede the

735
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:28,679
lines in the song. It's kind of a it's a

736
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,079
reverse thing. It's kind of a dreamy thing if you will,

737
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,239
right right, Okay. Next song on the album is a

738
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,360
song called The Wolf.

739
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 2: Let's rock out, shall we? This is a rock and

740
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,800
so I so I told you to me. This album

741
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,679
is just full of songs that it could all have

742
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,559
been singles. I said, I didn't like the first song

743
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:10,480
was my least favorite on the album, and then we've

744
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:14,440
got a succession of songs that were chart topping singles. Yep,

745
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,840
and we got this one. I think it could absolutely

746
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,079
have been a single, so strong with their led Zeppelin influence,

747
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:23,400
but it's got that eighties guitar, you know, heavier sound

748
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,880
to it, and Anne is ripping into her hard rock

749
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:31,239
Robert Plant style voice, freaking kicking butt. Amazing song.

750
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,119
Speaker 1: Love it. It is a great song. This was written

751
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,400
by the girls along with Denny Karassi and their friends

752
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,519
hu in Us. Yes, okay, so this is the first

753
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,840
song written by them on this album. And I think

754
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,920
you can make the case this is as close as

755
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,360
you're gonna get to like Magic Man and Barracuda. Okay,

756
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,880
I mean I yeah, I mean so.

757
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: So it's interesting because in the seventies, and I'll just

758
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:57,079
I got the list here, so I'll just say it

759
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:01,079
nineteen seventy five, we have Magic Mane, which was about

760
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:05,840
Ann's husband, Michael Fisher, who was the brother of the

761
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,880
lead guitarist Roger Fisher. Crazy on You was nineteen seventy six, Yes,

762
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,320
and Barracuda was nineteen seventy seven.

763
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: Yes.

764
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:17,039
Speaker 2: Those are all rocking good songs. The way they put

765
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:19,559
it that when they're talking about this album, it's kind

766
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:22,400
of like the difference between the mind expanding drugs that

767
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,679
were going on in the seventies and all the cocaine

768
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:28,039
in the eighties and what we have with nineteen eighty

769
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:30,159
five Heart is lots of cocaine.

770
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:33,199
Speaker 1: Cocaine, Maybe let's do lots of cocaine. In fact, I

771
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:34,920
got a quote from Ann Wilson on the cocaine.

772
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.

773
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,679
Speaker 1: She said, if it weren't for cocaine, we wouldn't have

774
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,519
done all the stuff that we did in the eighties.

775
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,840
We drank a lot of champagne, did a lot of

776
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,760
blow and made a lot of videos.

777
00:42:46,079 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the cocaine thing was real, and as you mentioned,

778
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,280
they you know, we've got this big success in the seventies,

779
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,519
right They've had They've got several hits year after year,

780
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:16,199
after year, and then they have a couple of bad showings, right,

781
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:18,920
and probably in no small part due to some of

782
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,079
the cocaine that they were doing at the time. Sure,

783
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,440
you lose a little bit of the love and feel

784
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,119
goodness when you're when you're coked up all of the time, right,

785
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,920
And so at a time they lost their record label.

786
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,400
In the early eighties, they got hit up by a

787
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,320
coffee company to do a coffee commercial.

788
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: Tell me the story. So I sent you this video.

789
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:39,880
I love it.

790
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: I sent you the video of this coffee commercial. And

791
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,000
I mean, they're they're They're one of many people that

792
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,199
you're like, how are these people all together in this

793
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,800
coffee commercial? But you've got David Bowie, You've got Kurt Vonnegut,

794
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,480
You've got the football guy.

795
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson, the quarterback for the Bengals.

796
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:03,119
Speaker 2: What and the Wilson sisters recording playing and drinking some

797
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:03,880
cup of joe?

798
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: You know, because coffee it helps everyone.

799
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,559
Speaker 2: So you know why they did this commercial. Why because

800
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:12,000
they got paid a million dollars to do it. They

801
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:16,000
didn't have any albums that were success and so yeah,

802
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,800
so they're just like, I got a cocaine habit to

803
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,119
feed I might as well endorse another propit product from Columbia.

804
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, my money goes to Columbia, which comes

805
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,920
back to me. Wow, that's funny.

806
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,599
Speaker 2: Okay, So what do you think of this song?

807
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,679
Speaker 1: I think it's a great song. It's a rock and song.

808
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:41,400
It doesn't sound like a single to me. It's missing

809
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,880
the sense that at this time we're putting these things

810
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,719
over the top. But I think it's a rocker and

811
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,199
I like it.

812
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree that it's definitely more on the rock

813
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,559
side of things than the pop that these last several

814
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,920
singles have been. But gosh, dang, I love it. I

815
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,599
think it's great.

816
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,199
Speaker 1: All right, hits stof up in your tape player, kick

817
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,119
it out, flip it over for side two, and we

818
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:24,639
start off with a song called all Eyes, another rocker.

819
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,960
I think this is a great song. I think that

820
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,440
this song belongs like on the Vision Quest soundtrack or Footloose,

821
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,320
you know, something like that. It's it's upbeat, it's it's

822
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:37,639
kind of poppy, it's kind of energetic.

823
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: So the beginning of it, that that snare that's playing

824
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,920
it totally reminded me of John Cougar Mellencamp around the

825
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,599
same time, and they've got I mean, they've got road

826
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:49,000
stories with him as well. But but then when it

827
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,599
gets when it gets into the lyrics, it's less so him.

828
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,119
But it's still it's still a rocker, it's still strong,

829
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:57,719
it's still fun.

830
00:45:58,639 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Again.

831
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: I think easily could have been a single.

832
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: Easily could have been a single again. This song was

833
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,000
written by Holly Knight, Gene Black and Connie the pseudonym. Right.

834
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:21,320
I like the line that says when you look at me,

835
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:26,639
it melts my legs. Ron Nevison said he agrees with

836
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:29,239
you that this song could have been a single, but

837
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:32,159
in the process of polishing it, it just didn't quite

838
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:32,599
get there.

839
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this band part it was a Seattle band.

840
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:41,400
Seattle nineteen seventy three is when they started, Yeah, except

841
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:44,159
it was just a couple of guys starting a band

842
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:46,559
who had already been doing bands together. They had done

843
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,320
it was Roger Fisher and Steve Fawson, and they had

844
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,639
been in a band called the Army. They're in a

845
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:57,000
band called hoax Pocus, then turned into a band called

846
00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:01,639
white Hart, which is named after an Arthur's Clark story.

847
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,000
It's a heart Haart though, okay, And it was only

848
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:08,760
after that that they had found themselves in need of

849
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,760
a singer. This is about nineteen seventy five, and somebody says,

850
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,000
you guys should meet Ann. And Anne had left school

851
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,880
or had left her home and was playing in bars

852
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,559
and stuff like that. Nancy was still too young. She's

853
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,320
playing little acoustic sets on her own and coffee shops,

854
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,840
and so they hook up with her, and immediately upon

855
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,079
hearing her voice, they're like, oh, dang, greatnest rock voice

856
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:33,079
for a female of all time.

857
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: Right.

858
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: Well, and then that's the interesting thing. We're talking about

859
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,519
the mid seventies, this is nineteen seventy five. How many

860
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,480
female lead singers were there?

861
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: So you posed this question yesterday and we started to look.

862
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: Like, in all of rock music history, and obviously you've

863
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,519
got girl groups, but how many of them were playing

864
00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:57,400
rock music in the twenty years that rock and roll

865
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,599
had existed at that point.

866
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,199
Speaker 1: So we came up with Jannis Choplin.

867
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,639
Speaker 2: Who was more blues like that was, yeah.

868
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: We came up with Linda Ronstadt.

869
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: Who was more country Southern California rock crew, yeah California.

870
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. We came up with Stevie Nicks. Yeah, she wasn't

871
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,519
even the lead singer for Fleewood Mac. Yeah she was.

872
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: I mean obviously she had a lot of their hits,

873
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,119
but the lead singing duties were rotating in that group

874
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:26,800
for sure. And then Pat Benatar, but she didn't come

875
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,480
around until later in the seventies, and so I think

876
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:33,760
the case could be made this is the first rock

877
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,679
group with a female lead singer.

878
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,679
Speaker 1: If you guys are out there and you know somebody

879
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,480
we missed, we would love to hear what it is.

880
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,039
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, obviously certain groups exist. I mean, if

881
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,639
you come to us with you know, Missy and the

882
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:48,519
Pussycats or whatever, I'm gonna be like, who the crap

883
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:49,559
was that? What do what?

884
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,639
Speaker 1: No, Missy and the Pussycats. Yeah, that is the new

885
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,920
rock band we need to hear from.

886
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,599
Speaker 2: So by seventy five, they've got Anne Wilson, They've got

887
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:06,079
Michael Durotier or de Rozier. I'm not really sure if

888
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:11,000
he's French or not. He's on drums. Howard Leacy is

889
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,199
playing guitar with them, and he's around for a while.

890
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,599
He does he's on this album.

891
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: Right. He gets inducted in the Hall of Fame, the

892
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,000
Rock and Ball Hall of Fame because of his involvement.

893
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: With hard Yep, all these guys did twenty thirteen, Ye,

894
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:29,559
the original founding members did. And then after the band's

895
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,280
been together for a little while, Nancy joins the band

896
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,960
and they're like another girl, but she's got some chops

897
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,000
and obviously she's beautiful too, so hey, we'll take her.

898
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:43,760
Right now, they're playing some crappy gigs, they are paying

899
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,280
their dues. And in nineteen seventy five they were in

900
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,599
Vancouver because Anne's love interest, who had become her husband,

901
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:55,199
was Roger Fisher's brother Michael, who then became the manager

902
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,960
of the band. He had moved to Canada to avoid

903
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,920
the draft. Oh is that why he has a draft dodger?

904
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,719
Which is interesting because ann in Nancy's dad was in

905
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,679
the military. He's a Marine, but he flat out left

906
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,480
the Marines, left after twenty something years of service because

907
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:12,559
of Vietnam because he was like, this is not a

908
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,679
conflict we need to be involved in. And so they

909
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,920
were worried about how he would react to Michael Fisher,

910
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,400
and it actually turned he actually said, you're brave for

911
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,360
having the courage to stand up for what you believe

912
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,559
and get out while you could, you know, and we're

913
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,320
talking about like people were raiding his house to come

914
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,159
get him to be in the draft, like he had

915
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:33,199
been drafted. And he walked out the back window as

916
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,320
they came in and went up to Canada.

917
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,159
Speaker 1: Okay, she falls in love with him.

918
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 2: She writes the song magic Man about him their very

919
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:41,920
first meeting.

920
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't understand, mama. He's a magic man, got

921
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:45,960
the magic hands.

922
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: But he's managing the band they're playing up in Canada.

923
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,119
They all kind of make their way up to Canada

924
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:54,719
so that he can manage the band. And in Canada

925
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,920
they play at a Vancouver high school in nineteen seventy five,

926
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:02,079
played the Promye oh whoa would you like to guess

927
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:05,519
who was the class president of that high school in Vancouver,

928
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,559
Canada in nineteen seventy five?

929
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,519
Speaker 1: If you tell me it's Brian Adams, not going to die.

930
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:11,519
Speaker 2: It's not Brian Adams. But you think of one more

931
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,960
famous Canadian that we've talked about on one of our

932
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,480
first episodes, and you'll have it.

933
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:24,119
Speaker 1: Oh man, Michael J. Fox, are you effing kidding me?

934
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 2: I am not kidding you.

935
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: Michael J.

936
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,599
Speaker 2: Fox, Class president of the nineteen seventy five Vancouver high

937
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:34,239
school class had Heart perform at the prom.

938
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,639
Speaker 1: Wow, that is incredible.

939
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,119
Speaker 2: I was hoping to blill your nugget that. Yeah, is

940
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:41,159
that freaking awesome or what?

941
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: I shell shocks if you will way to bring it home?

942
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,320
I like that is fantastic.

943
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was absolutely great.

944
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,519
Speaker 1: Oh I'm stunned. That's incredible, right? Love it? Okay, So

945
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,840
moving on to the next song. Moving on to the

946
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,800
next song. Next song is called Nobody's Home.

947
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:11,559
Speaker 5: Don't move too fast like a shot from a car,

948
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:22,719
don't jump too hard and knock out the sun, don't

949
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:30,199
straight to fall out on your own when you finally

950
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:35,559
come knocking, when you finally come knock, and moving nobody

951
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:36,079
at Home.

952
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,679
Speaker 2: So, once again, I don't know how this isn't another

953
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,480
couple's move to the dance floor single that they seem

954
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,480
to have done so well with on side one.

955
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. This could be a makeout

956
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,239
classic from nineteen eighty six. Absolutely, absolutely couples move out

957
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,840
to the dance floor. This could have been a top ten.

958
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: Hit for hert you throw it into a John Hughes

959
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,079
high school movie and everybody's going to be clamoring for

960
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:02,519
the single.

961
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I think Anne's voice is really undisplaying this one.

962
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:09,519
I mean, her voice is always out front, but it's soft.

963
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,400
It's almost like a rock lullaby. But her it's just

964
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:15,519
so beautiful. I love it.

965
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: Make Out classic absolutely. So speaking of making out, I

966
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:24,719
mentioned in the last song that Nancy had joined the band. Well, eventually,

967
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,039
you know, she starts making out with Roger Fisher. So

968
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:33,679
you have Ann Wilson with Michael Fisher and Nancy Wilson

969
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,559
with Michael's brother, Roger Fisher. And they got married, both couples,

970
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,480
So you got sisters married to brothers, which is you know,

971
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,920
it's not super weird, but it's it's a novel thing. Yeah.

972
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,880
But the problem was is that after some time of

973
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,880
being married and being in a mega successful rock and

974
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:01,719
roll band, Roger Fisher started doing drugs and other chick yes,

975
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:06,440
And so eventually Nancy found out about that. She's none

976
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,719
too happy he came home. Nobody's home.

977
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:11,199
Speaker 3: Then.

978
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: Well then, but they still had to.

979
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,559
Speaker 2: Perform on stage together, right, and so you know, he

980
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:19,400
freely admits I regret the decision, I regret that I

981
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,719
did that all that stuff. But then she starts developing

982
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,880
feelings for the drummer Michael Derozier.

983
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: There's no way this works out.

984
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,119
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be the opposite of what happens. It

985
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,159
is the opposite of working out. So at some show,

986
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,000
after many shows of her looking, you know, googly eyed

987
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:43,039
at the drummer, her ex being right there seeing it

988
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:47,440
all happen. He's strung out on drugs. His guitar isn't

989
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,320
working well that night's to getting out of tune, and

990
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:56,840
he melts down and has a guitar smashing show, not

991
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,760
like Pete Townsend, but like in the middle of the set,

992
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:04,079
this isn't the show end Like, Yeah, he freaking smashes

993
00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:07,159
it against the ground, throws it down, and walks off

994
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:11,360
the stage. And the next day they said, Roger, we

995
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,400
took a vote and you have been dismissed. You're fired.

996
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:18,199
Speaker 1: Yes, well, Anne is still married to his brother who's

997
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,239
the manager of the band.

998
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: Michael is still managing the band even after all of that. Yeah,

999
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,119
and obviously they stayed together for ten years. But after

1000
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:28,719
ten years they it became too hard for them as well.

1001
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: Yes, so ultimately the girls gain control of the band. Yeah,

1002
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,320
after they fired everybody.

1003
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:39,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in eighty two, you've lost the founding members

1004
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,960
Roger Fisher and Steve Fawson. You've lost Michael de Rogier

1005
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,880
because he had the romance and then it was gone,

1006
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,480
and that's what happens by obviously they're also doing coke

1007
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,960
and not having as much success with their albums. So

1008
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:59,800
basically Howard Lessie is staying on. You have Anne and

1009
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:03,760
Nancy is the stay through members of the band, and

1010
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,760
in eighty two that's when they bring on Mark Andy's

1011
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,559
to play the bass. He used to play with Canned Heat, Ok.

1012
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,199
And then you have the famous Denny kerr Maassi on drums.

1013
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:18,519
He played with Montrose and Sammy by himself.

1014
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: Our buddy James Buckley is a big fan of Denny Carmassi.

1015
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And those are the guys playing on this album

1016
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,920
of course. Yeah, so you have basically a five member

1017
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,440
band with this one, but then you've got all of

1018
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,320
those extra backing people like Holly Knight, like Grey Slick

1019
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,800
and Johnny Cola and Mickey Thomas. You also have Frankie

1020
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,239
Sullivan from Survivor.

1021
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays guitar on this song exactly because of

1022
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:48,400
ron Nevison's involvement with Survivor. From Vital Signs, an album

1023
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,559
that we hope to cover sometime this season.

1024
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:51,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing it.

1025
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,199
Speaker 1: Okay. I love this song, d if it? Would it

1026
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,480
shock you to say that this is one of my

1027
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:56,800
favorite songs on the album.

1028
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:59,039
Speaker 2: Not a bit you love. You love the slow dance songs,

1029
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:00,880
you love the thick out hits.

1030
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: I do Yeah, Okay, next song the album, Let's do it.

1031
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,800
Next song the album is a song called nothing at.

1032
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 4: All do the it wouldn't be my seven s.

1033
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: I freaking love this smash man, I mean this is

1034
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:33,679
this is right up the starship Alley of the day

1035
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,920
right like this is a very it has that style

1036
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,480
about it, but I freaking love it.

1037
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,159
Speaker 1: It's pop rock, it's light hits. It just does a

1038
00:57:41,239 --> 00:58:01,360
feel good, fun song with Anne's powerful voice. Yeah, fantastic.

1039
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,440
This is the fourth single released April of nineteen eighty six.

1040
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,800
It reaches number ten on the charts. Okay Quick rundown,

1041
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,199
real quick. Yeah. Of songs that will never ever get

1042
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:14,079
to talk about it again, probably number nine Who's Johnny?

1043
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:18,599
By l DeBarge from the Circuit Yeah, Number eight holding

1044
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:21,039
back the years by simply read I love It. Number

1045
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:26,519
seven A Different Corner by George Michael Exact my exact

1046
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:32,480
extent corner. Yes, I don't recognize this song, don't. This

1047
00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:35,960
is from Wham nineteen eighty six, The Edge of Heaven.

1048
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,239
I am dumbfounded that I'd have no memory of that

1049
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,320
song at all and it was in the top ten.

1050
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:47,639
I'm dumbfounded as well. Wow, Okay, Yeah, number six, No

1051
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:50,159
one is to blame Howard Jones. Yeah, I mean it's

1052
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,679
surrounded by songs we know well, right very well. Yeah.

1053
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,960
Number five I Can't Wait by New Shoes, I can't Wait,

1054
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:04,280
number four, Live to Tell by Madonna, Number four Madonna,

1055
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:08,079
Lift to Tell, number three, Crush on You by the Jets. Yeah,

1056
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,519
number two, They'll be sad songs by Billy Oshana, and

1057
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,880
then number one on My Own by Michael McDonald and

1058
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,239
Patty LaBelle Go.

1059
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,719
Speaker 2: Check out the Yet Rock Okay good documentary.

1060
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: All right, I gotta drop this nugget on you. So

1061
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,639
on this album, ron Nevison's going through his list of

1062
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:28,880
songs written by other people. Okay, he comes across this song.

1063
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,239
This song was actually written by a guy named Mark Mueller. Okay.

1064
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,519
Mark Mueller wrote a song called Crush by Jennifer Page,

1065
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:38,159
which was all over the radio in the late nineties.

1066
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,039
He wrote a song called That's what Love Is For

1067
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:42,840
by Amy Grant. He wrote the theme for the Duck

1068
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:47,639
Tales TV show Okay right, He wrote the theme for

1069
00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:57,320
Chippendale Rescue Rangers, and he wrote the Babysitter Blues Adventures

1070
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,719
and Babysitty.

1071
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,119
Speaker 4: And It's So Hot.

1072
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 3: And babysitting these guys.

1073
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,599
Speaker 1: Okay, now here's the interesting thing about this other than

1074
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:17,760
Babysitter Blues, which is freaking fantastic. Ron Nevison was going

1075
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,719
through his songs and he found this one and he

1076
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,840
was playing it with one of the record executives, a

1077
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,519
guy named Don, and Don's like that one's going to

1078
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:28,599
be a hit, and Ron's like, really, I mean do

1079
01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:32,480
you do you really think so? And Don's like trust me,

1080
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:35,920
and like it was that connection of put this on

1081
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,280
the album, gotta trust me, and he said, okay, I

1082
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,119
trust you. And guess what it was. The video for

1083
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:46,440
this is. I mean, they are They've got their hair

1084
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:51,719
teas all the way up. There's panthers walking around, right,

1085
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,639
but you can clearly see if you watch it critically,

1086
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:59,440
they're hiding in. Oh I think she got a little extra.

1087
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:04,840
She wasn't doing enough coke sorry, they weren't stretching the video,

1088
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:10,320
but they clearly moved Nancy very much to the front

1089
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:14,800
and to the back. But the song's great, fantastic, I

1090
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:15,199
love it.

1091
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,599
Speaker 2: So this is the second to last song on the album.

1092
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:21,599
What he don't know?

1093
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:37,079
Speaker 1: Kay?

1094
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:37,719
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?

1095
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:39,119
Speaker 5: Well?

1096
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: According to ron Nevison, so what can I say? The

1097
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,880
last few songs on an album are usually not the best,

1098
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,360
but they got to go somewhere. I don't think it's

1099
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,599
a bad song. It just doesn't have that punch you

1100
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:52,960
in the face hit quality.

1101
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:54,599
Speaker 2: It doesn't have the punch you in the face. I

1102
01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:57,000
think the lyrics are sound like this is kind of

1103
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:02,039
the flip side of it looks it looks could kill.

1104
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,679
To me, this is one where I feel like the

1105
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,320
lyrics are strong, but they didn't deliver on the music

1106
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,159
on this one. I feel like a different version of

1107
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:12,039
this could be a great song.

1108
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, according to ron Nevison, again, he's like,

1109
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,840
this is what they were coming up with, which is

1110
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:24,559
why we had to bring in the outside writers. Gotcha again,

1111
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,760
It's not a bad song, no? Is it? Top five,

1112
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,800
top ten, number one, No, that's why.

1113
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: But it's still I still say little tweaking, you know something,

1114
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,159
mess with it like White Snake did on Here I

1115
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:41,320
Go Again, and you definitely could have a hit.

1116
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: Maybe so yeah, maybe so. Yeah. By the way, Lynn

1117
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,840
Wilson is singing backup vocals on this song.

1118
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,639
Speaker 2: And Nancy's older sister.

1119
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: Older sister. Yeah.

1120
01:02:49,480 --> 01:03:09,559
Speaker 2: Last song on the album, last song, shell Shock, another rocker,

1121
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,480
big banger.

1122
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fine song.

1123
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 4: I like it.

1124
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1125
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: It's not a skipper, No, it's not. There's no skippers.

1126
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,960
I don't think this album has any skippers at all.

1127
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,480
There are songs that you might call filler, but there's

1128
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,239
still great songs with her voice.

1129
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: Is there really any skippers?

1130
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:27,039
Speaker 4: Though?

1131
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: That's true.

1132
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:30,039
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't listened to every one of their albums,

1133
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:33,559
but my goodness, just to an incredible voice, and Nancy's

1134
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:35,000
guitar playing is fantastic as well.

1135
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,559
Speaker 1: It is. We can't discredit her. And you know we

1136
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:41,559
talked about this, fair or unfair. Nancy's look was perfect

1137
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:44,360
for MTV. Yeah, and Anne's voice were perfect for what

1138
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,000
these songs needed. It's a great one to two combination.

1139
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1140
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,079
Speaker 1: I will say this this, This is the last song on

1141
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:55,400
the album. This was the first in a trifecta of

1142
01:03:55,599 --> 01:04:00,880
three great rock hair metal tie of albums that they

1143
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,679
came up with in the late eighties. Yep. The next

1144
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:06,880
song is that they released as a song called Alone.

1145
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:22,840
Every time I listened to it, it blows my socks.

1146
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: Off every time, every time. Yeah, it's great.

1147
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:27,239
Speaker 1: That album was great. It had some great songs who

1148
01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:29,559
Will You Run To? And There's the Girl. And then

1149
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,440
the next album they released in nineteen ninety, All I

1150
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,639
Want to Do is make Love to You beautiful song

1151
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,280
produced by Mutt Lang. I mean there were a hit machine,

1152
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,559
yeah for those five years.

1153
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: And they made a deal with the devil to get

1154
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,519
it done. That's right, Yeah, that's right, Mutt Lang being

1155
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:52,119
one of the main devils. Yeah. Okay, So one last tidbit.

1156
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:53,519
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm ready for it.

1157
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:58,719
Speaker 2: You ready, yes, okay. Nancy Wilson gave Eddie van Halen

1158
01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:04,480
his first acoustic guitar. What so we've talked about and

1159
01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:07,119
we are. One of our first, very first episodes was

1160
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:11,760
the van Halen van Hagar dispute, right, and Eddie started

1161
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:17,159
with an electric guitar. He played electric guitar from the beginning,

1162
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:21,639
and so Nancy says she was the one who gave

1163
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:26,480
him his first acoustic guitar. Now that is separate from

1164
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:28,760
another Van Halen's story I read, and I don't know

1165
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,639
if it was the same day, but apparently as a

1166
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,920
in consideration, he offered to have a foursome with her

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and Ann and Alex.

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Speaker 1: Take it to leave a baby. Oh my gosh, how

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much Blow was involved in that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think they took him up on his offer.

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How about you just go play that acoustic guitar, Eddie

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tell Valerie we said.

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Speaker 1: Hi, I can't top that.

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Speaker 2: Mike dropping it right now?

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Speaker 1: Man? Okay, Well that does it for Heart's nineteen eighty

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five album.

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Speaker 2: Guys, be sure and hit that follow button, hit that

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subscribe button, whatever you need to do so that you

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can come back for next week when we are going

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to cover Dire Straits Brothers in Arms against this album.

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And these are two nineteen eighty five albums, both celebrating

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their fortieth anniversary this year. Big at the same time,

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but very different, very different. I am excited to talk

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about the differences between the two of them, and can't

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beat some of those songs on.

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Speaker 1: The Dire Straits album.

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Speaker 2: Come back next week, see you guys then,