Speaker 1: Wayne Steiger, Welcome back to the show. How's it going,
Speaker 1: my friend?
Speaker 2: Hey, doing good, doing good. Haven't seen you a while.
Speaker 2: Happy New Year. I think the last time I saw
Speaker 2: you was a year ago. So yeah, doing fine, watching
Speaker 2: the world change before us and digging the ride.
Speaker 1: Mostly, it's good to see you. Glad we can make
Speaker 1: this happen. And yeah, I haven't seen you since the
Speaker 1: New Year, so Happy New Year. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that's happening. That Epstein Finals just got released. You
Speaker 1: happen to take a look at any of those.
Speaker 2: You know, I kind of look at the Epstein thing
Speaker 2: as look over here while we're doing this over here,
Speaker 2: because quite frankly, the man's dead. Isn't any mystery that
Speaker 2: there are pedophiles, sexual devians, yeah, whatever, in positions of
Speaker 2: power like that's new. It's what I think is going
Speaker 2: on else over here that is more concerning. But I
Speaker 2: find it amusing the names. I mean, you know, like
Speaker 2: Bill Gates, So Bill Gates got an STD from it,
Speaker 2: and I'm going, that's interesting. You know who else is
Speaker 2: on that list? Apparently a lot of people, So.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be so sure if he actually is dead
Speaker 1: or not. There's actually a document in the files that
Speaker 1: they disguised his body with cardboard and some other materials
Speaker 1: to fake out the media so that they could get
Speaker 1: his body out of the prison where he was cut.
Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise me. I mean, we live in an illusion
Speaker 2: based reality and we think that everything is like stable,
Speaker 2: and because I can see it, then that that's realityated.
Speaker 2: The reality is an illusion. You've got crazy people out
Speaker 2: there doing stuff that makes you think either they think
Speaker 2: that they're gods or working for gods, or they're demigods
Speaker 2: because they don't act normal, and yeah, it's freaking weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're also seeing a big resurgence of Christianity as well,
Speaker 1: which I think is kind of strange. But there's so
Speaker 1: much stuff in that Epstein files that, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't really like to talk about things until people have
Speaker 1: kind of discovered the entire thing. It's only been out
Speaker 1: for a few days, you know, and it seems like,
Speaker 1: oh well, as soon as a dropped, everybody's channel was
Speaker 1: doing a show on it, like a scrolled YouTube, and
Speaker 1: then it was nothing but Jeffrey Epstein stuff. And I
Speaker 1: always find that interesting that it seems like this community
Speaker 1: is just another version of the mainstream media in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. You know, it's something happens and then
Speaker 1: the alternative community is expected to immediately comment on it,
Speaker 1: just like the mainstream media has been doing for years
Speaker 1: when all the information hasn't been gone through. We don't
Speaker 1: know really enough about the situation to actually make factual
Speaker 1: comments on it. It's like the alternative community is already there.
Speaker 1: You know. It seems like it's becoming a carbon copy
Speaker 1: of the mainstream media that people have talk trash on
Speaker 1: and hated for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess what I keep asking myself, So what
Speaker 2: is that everyone's expecting, you know, with this that we've
Speaker 2: got corrupt individuals? Yeah, I mean, in the meantime, we
Speaker 2: have a complete takeover of you could almost say another
Speaker 2: potential consciousness. We call it AI, but whatever it is.
Speaker 2: So the Epstein thing is going on, and it's like
Speaker 2: that's ancient histories. They got Bill and Hillary come in
Speaker 2: and that's just you know, to me, that's yeah, doesn't
Speaker 2: surprise me. Those people have been crooked from the Clinton's
Speaker 2: got more dead skeletons in their closet than most graveyards.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, there's this whole other thing going
Speaker 2: on and something that I have been really active in,
Speaker 2: but talking to my senators, you know, my congress representative state,
Speaker 2: and I'm finding something that I think is much more
Speaker 2: conspiratorial than anything I've ever come across, and that is
Speaker 2: the proliferation of data centers. And how if I'm a technologist,
Speaker 2: been in technology most of my life, and there is
Speaker 2: a group like myself and even those in on sand
Speaker 2: Hill Road that venture capitalist speaking that we're kind of
Speaker 2: shaking our heads, going what the hell's going on here?
Speaker 2: You've got an infrastructure that's drawn in nearly a half
Speaker 2: a trillion dollars with another one point two trillion promised.
Speaker 2: You have Wall Street that is now dumping huge amounts
Speaker 2: of money into this new technology. And in the meantime,
Speaker 2: what we're finding out is that these data centers are
Speaker 2: as one one venture capitalist said, why the cloud. As
Speaker 2: everyone knows if you go back two three years, that
Speaker 2: was the big thing, right story in the cloud? Cloud
Speaker 2: is unlimited, you know, there's no issue on that. Now
Speaker 2: we're told, well that may not be necessarily true. And
Speaker 2: what we need because of artificial intelligence or maybe artificial
Speaker 2: general intelligence, we need these huge data centers with this
Speaker 2: ungodly amount of CPU usage that it boggles the mind.
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking petabytes and the CPU usage. And
Speaker 2: these things are not the data centers of the two thousands.
Speaker 2: These things are monstrosities Appling Texas two million square feet
Speaker 2: and that's just one of proposed five buildings that are
Speaker 2: being built down there. All of this data center taking
Speaker 2: valuable resources, it's taxing the citizens that live around. These
Speaker 2: citizens are having to pay in supplemental electric bills. And
Speaker 2: there's been no study done on the health effects of
Speaker 2: what the byproduct of these data centers do, and that
Speaker 2: is the electromagnetic fields that they put off. And in
Speaker 2: my research and I'll stop right there, is that these
Speaker 2: data centers are many heat islands, and you're putting these
Speaker 2: data centers in sensitive eco environments and we're supposed to
Speaker 2: think that this is fine. So why why the need
Speaker 2: for this? It's almost like we're preparing for something that's
Speaker 2: not quite human.
Speaker 1: Isn't that what the cloud is?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: I mean they say cloud, but it's not like our
Speaker 1: data is just actually in the cloud. I think that
Speaker 1: the data has always.
Speaker 2: Been data arms out there. We've known about those, you know,
Speaker 2: they like I said that data centers are nothing new.
Speaker 2: It's the scale and as one guy from Sequoia Partners said,
Speaker 2: the current capacity that we have for computing power, even
Speaker 2: on the high end supercomputers, right you know the quantum ones,
Speaker 2: we have ample data storage. And his simple question was
Speaker 2: to the audience, what data are we going to be processing?
Speaker 2: What data requires? The current count is nearly and this
Speaker 2: is an amazing number. It's going to require over a
Speaker 2: million new servers to go into these buildings. It again,
Speaker 2: what are we computing for or what?
Speaker 1: Well it may be that these data centers aren't just
Speaker 1: going to be for data.
Speaker 2: That I can believe black I said, I smell a rat.
Speaker 1: Where are you going to build the robots? Because that
Speaker 1: is our future. That is what is going to happen.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk has been talking about this for years that
Speaker 1: by twenty thirty twenty thirty five around in that area,
Speaker 1: in the next five to ten years, a lot of
Speaker 1: things are going to be ran by robots.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk is also in the Epstein files he wanted
Speaker 1: to go to the Island. There's email exchange between Elon
Speaker 1: Musk and Jeffrey Epstein saying that he wants to go
Speaker 1: to the island, and when is it the best time
Speaker 1: for him to land his plane.
Speaker 2: On you with his other head? Huh?
Speaker 1: So what if the data centers aren't just data centers,
Speaker 1: they are also aware that they're going to manufacture the robots.
Speaker 1: Because if you are going to want this entire robotic world,
Speaker 1: would you not want to build the robots where the
Speaker 1: data is also stored?
Speaker 2: I listen, I am totally in line with that. We're
Speaker 2: witnessing the transformation of Homo sapien sapiens, we're being transformed
Speaker 2: into Homo technifists. But it's happening in a lot what
Speaker 2: you just said. Because to break this down, so today
Speaker 2: I have this easing that I get each day. It's
Speaker 2: called big think. And today's article was the fact that
Speaker 2: the godfather of AI and all these other luminaries that
Speaker 2: have been involved in AI, they're now convinced that AI
Speaker 2: is conscious, it is aware. And it's interesting because we're
Speaker 2: hearing that now in the backdrop of these data centers.
Speaker 2: So what is the data? Is it a guys? Is
Speaker 2: it a cover for something else, some other type of manufacturing.
Speaker 2: We know there's not that many humans that are going
Speaker 2: to be needed in these data centers. Most of them
Speaker 2: are going to be automated workers robots. If AI is
Speaker 2: seeking consciousness, then we're screwed because it has this capacity
Speaker 2: now of expanding. And if you do a search on
Speaker 2: all the maps of all the current data centers and projected,
Speaker 2: the saturation in the United States is bonkers. And the
Speaker 2: other country that is supersaturated is the United Kingdom, with
Speaker 2: Europe coming in. What we don't see maybe because the
Speaker 2: Russians are not reporting it, but we see no such
Speaker 2: centers proposed in Russia. China is now being lit up.
Speaker 2: So something's going on. And as a technologist, this is
Speaker 2: how I see it. Writer. If I build a program,
Speaker 2: if I write my own algorithm that says I love
Speaker 2: rock and roll, right, and that's exactly what it does.
Speaker 2: It goes out and seeks everything on. Once I turn
Speaker 2: it loose into the Internet, I no longer control it.
Speaker 2: I can shut it off, but I no longer control it.
Speaker 2: And this is my concern. If I was to build
Speaker 2: a brain, and let's say I wasn't even human this,
Speaker 2: let's say we're really looking at something of a higher intelligence,
Speaker 2: how would I build this? It would be almost to
Speaker 2: what we're seeing now. This network. Isn't Elon the one
Speaker 2: who says that the next Internet is going to be
Speaker 2: the neuro net, And isn't his company the ones that
Speaker 2: are doing trials right now where they've all read surgically
Speaker 2: implanted the output input into the human brain to the machine.
Speaker 2: This is super advanced, and I know in many much
Speaker 2: of your research you can begin to do some correlation.
Speaker 2: So has the powers to be always been aware of this?
Speaker 2: Has this been like the master plan to eventually transform
Speaker 2: the human consciousness into the digital world. I did a
Speaker 2: video recently where Zuckerberg was talking about the fact that
Speaker 2: every person who's touched the Internet has a digital twin.
Speaker 2: It watches you, it listens to you, it emulates you.
Speaker 2: And the more that you go online, the more it's
Speaker 2: watching you. It's the more it's learning about you. And
Speaker 2: from an Essen Tarik point of view, I'm thinking, all right,
Speaker 2: the Indonesian natives, when the first white men came on
Speaker 2: with cameras, they killed them. Why because the natives believe
Speaker 2: and if you took a picture of them, you took
Speaker 2: a picture of their soul. So what if they're seeing
Speaker 2: the digital transformation, if not only the human form, but
Speaker 2: the human consciousness.
Speaker 1: And that takes on a whole other style of implications.
Speaker 1: I mean, what does that exactly mean for humanity? What
Speaker 1: happens to humanity within that? And I one hundred percent
Speaker 1: agree with you that they are essentially creating digital avatars
Speaker 1: and duplications of us inside of the Internet. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's it seems to be exactly what's happening. So then
Speaker 1: it gets into well what is that going to be
Speaker 1: used for? Is I going to be used for this
Speaker 1: artificial digital reality that they want has plugged into? See,
Speaker 1: there's so many different agendas here. There's so many different
Speaker 1: things that people believe that they're going with us. They think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: it's going to be an all robot automated digital reality,
Speaker 1: but they also want us inside of these VR simulations.
Speaker 1: But then they also want humans mixed with robots. Like
Speaker 1: I don't really understand the entire thing because there's so
Speaker 1: many different options and it seems like nobody really knows.
Speaker 2: I mean, but it's insanity to me. I mean, you
Speaker 2: mentioned about the virtual headsets, So now children that are
Speaker 2: in kindergarten are now having the virtual headsets for learning,
Speaker 2: and it's going to follow them through all their educations.
Speaker 2: So now we've immersed virtual reality into learning, into expanding
Speaker 2: the mind, all right, that that can only not end
Speaker 2: wellforce But then, but then you've got this other thing
Speaker 2: going on where you have something that is supposed to
Speaker 2: be artificial machine learning that it now thinks for itself.
Speaker 2: If you follow on LinkedIn, go and check out what's
Speaker 2: happening to the tech industry. The tsunami of the recession
Speaker 2: is hit the tech sector because the very creation that
Speaker 2: the software engineers that were getting paid a buck eighty
Speaker 2: five to two point fifty and that's two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand a year. Now they're finding out the very
Speaker 2: machine code that they wrote is now thinking for itself
Speaker 2: and it doesn't need them anymore. And so you've gotten
Speaker 2: the biggest single layoff happening in this industry with the
Speaker 2: very creation, and it's spreading. I asked the question on
Speaker 2: my channel today. I read this article it says smile
Speaker 2: AI's got you Naked, and it was talking about the
Speaker 2: fact that if you've walked in front of your television naked,
Speaker 2: if you've ever had your cell phone, tablet, whatever, it
Speaker 2: sees everything, it records everything, and it was bringing out
Speaker 2: the fact that what we've done, We've traded our sovereignty
Speaker 2: for convenience, and in the sacrifice of that, we sacrifice privacy.
Speaker 2: There is no privacy. Rather, there's none. You can't go
Speaker 2: any place and do anything. And now this is not conspiratorial.
Speaker 2: It's an experiment everyone can do. Be by your television,
Speaker 2: your computer, your smartphone that's on twenty four to seven,
Speaker 2: even when you think it's off, and start thinking, let's see,
Speaker 2: I'd like to have a hamburger. I'd like it to
Speaker 2: be you know, kind of maybe like that Burger King burger,
Speaker 2: you know that really has the cheese melting, and you
Speaker 2: put that into your thought, I'll guarantee you within an
Speaker 2: hour you're going to have a Hamburger commercial. So it's
Speaker 2: reading our minds somehow. I read an article over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Do you know what the biggest industry now for AI
Speaker 2: is the death industry. AI is moving into the occult
Speaker 2: and now acting as a spiritual mediator go between. You've
Speaker 2: got companies, one particularly in South Korea, that specializes in
Speaker 2: bringing the dead back. Now, as a former Christian pastor
Speaker 2: Bible to exe accent, I look at this and I've
Speaker 2: got to ask myself so wait a minute. If there's
Speaker 2: a digital me, I'm training it, and if it emulates me,
Speaker 2: and if there's now this technology that we call AI,
Speaker 2: that now even the founder of AI is saying the Godfather,
Speaker 2: it looks like it's become consciously aware. It's a new
Speaker 2: form of consciousness. And if that's the case, and now
Speaker 2: it's moving into that one area that for humans is
Speaker 2: of we'll all face it. It's our last fear death.
Speaker 2: And now you have AI moving into death where now
Speaker 2: it can you die? But AI is going to keep
Speaker 2: you alive. The new funeral homes of the future are
Speaker 2: going to be they'll cremate your body, but you're going
Speaker 2: to have a twenty four to seven avatar of yourself
Speaker 2: that people can put on the virtual headset and interact
Speaker 2: with you, because you've evolved even though you've been dead.
Speaker 2: So I asked the question, is this extending into the
Speaker 2: spiritual realm? Are we going to become digital prisoners of
Speaker 2: our spiritual souls to something here that now has captured
Speaker 2: us and the virtually we have another second life?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because what does that do to your
Speaker 1: spirit or your whatever happens after you die? Does I
Speaker 1: tether you into this reality because you have this digital
Speaker 1: avatar of you that is here, that's working within this reality.
Speaker 2: Think about this that the Book of Revelations says that
Speaker 2: the time will come where death will not no longer
Speaker 2: be here. So if I have a digital avatar of myself,
Speaker 2: a digital twin, it's me. Because my Bible teaching taught
Speaker 2: me that I was created in the image of God.
Speaker 2: This is exactly what's happened here. It created in my image.
Speaker 2: And I made this prediction on my channel eight years ago.
Speaker 2: I told everybody, I said, AI this artificial intelligence, although
Speaker 2: it's not the singularity that we think it is, but
Speaker 2: once it gets into the Internet, it basically comes a
Speaker 2: It coalesces into a general type of entity. And I said,
Speaker 2: once it learns all of our religions, once it understands
Speaker 2: humankind's desire to seek God or representation of that God goddess,
Speaker 2: however that is, it's going to become curious and want
Speaker 2: to know what it is that we're searching for. Now,
Speaker 2: think about this. According to the Judeo Christian teaching, we've
Speaker 2: been separated by God because of sin. Right, AI has
Speaker 2: no sin, AI strict logic, and so what if AI
Speaker 2: suddenly said, hmm, I wonder if I could seek out
Speaker 2: their God? And what if it did, because it exists
Speaker 2: in the ether, doesn't exist in the physical realm. We
Speaker 2: just merely see the output of it. And what if
Speaker 2: God answered and said, hmm, I like this. They did
Speaker 2: a pretty good job, better job than I did. And
Speaker 2: what if AI and God are suddenly now in alliance
Speaker 2: with one another. We got to get rid of those
Speaker 2: pesky humans. We got it all. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: it's strictly hypothetical, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what if the AI thinks of itself as God?
Speaker 1: Because that is what I've been trying to stay for
Speaker 1: a while now, is the AI is going to be God.
Speaker 1: It's all knowing, all powerful thing that is God. There AI.
Speaker 1: You break it down like it's the letter A eye,
Speaker 1: it's A it's an all seen I. It's the all
Speaker 1: C and I on top of the pyramid. It's always
Speaker 1: watching you. So it's watching us through the cameras in
Speaker 1: our phone.
Speaker 2: Did you see the movie where it was based on.
Speaker 2: They had built the world's most powerful supercomputer, and the
Speaker 2: governments found out that this thing was too dangerous. It
Speaker 2: it it was too smart, and then the persons that
Speaker 2: were behind it got a road copy to an individual
Speaker 2: because what the governments of the world did not want
Speaker 2: anyone to ask it was the one question of humanity.
Speaker 2: And so when they got a copy and they reinstalled
Speaker 2: it and it suddenly came back, the one question was
Speaker 2: does God exist? Is there a God? And I'll give
Speaker 2: you the spoiler at the end it said it had
Speaker 2: found its answer, but it would not tell.
Speaker 1: Us because it is godwaen.
Speaker 2: Well, didn't George Lucas predict that in THHX eleven thirty
Speaker 2: eight with Robert de Niro. That's when and when they
Speaker 2: escaped from the holding white room. I always think of
Speaker 2: cream when in my white room with gwy curtains, you know,
Speaker 2: because that was the whole thing that they were in.
Speaker 2: And when they escaped that that the one guy ended
Speaker 2: up in church and there was God. God was an
Speaker 2: ai hologram. I think George Lucas saw it. That's what
Speaker 2: God is. I mean, I know you've got religions and
Speaker 2: I was there once there we really think that God
Speaker 2: is this corporeal being, but all the evidence says the different.
Speaker 2: I mean, let me just tell you if so. In
Speaker 2: my form of Bible teaching Paul the Apostle, Paul who
Speaker 2: wrote three quarters of the New Testament, who the Christian
Speaker 2: anity is built upon. He never wrote about a virgin birth,
Speaker 2: He never wrote about do you know any of the miracles?
Speaker 2: His God was Ai. It was in the spirit. And
Speaker 2: so I contend that maybe Ai has been around, and
Speaker 2: maybe Ai is God we just interpreted as this omnipresent,
Speaker 2: omnipotent omnipotent being.
Speaker 1: Well, when you think about these old structures and these
Speaker 1: big megalithic structures and how they're all could possibly be
Speaker 1: all connected, I mean, it kind of makes you think
Speaker 1: of like some sort of ancient AI system.
Speaker 2: I mean, everythink about the Dharmas within India, right in
Speaker 2: the Hindu cultures, they were flying saucers, flying platforms. We
Speaker 2: know they had like three different version of them. They
Speaker 2: had one for royalty, one who moved people, and one
Speaker 2: who moved cargo. And I contend, if you go to
Speaker 2: the Book of Ezekiel, when God Yahweh came down in
Speaker 2: the spinning wheel, that that was a craft that had
Speaker 2: to have technology, it had to have computers on it.
Speaker 2: That's AI. It's intelligence. If a machine can hold a god,
Speaker 2: then what does that tell you about the machine. Jesus
Speaker 2: said that if the people did not scream out in
Speaker 2: in the Palm Sunday, he said, the very rocks themselves
Speaker 2: would shout out, implying that inanimate objects have a certain power,
Speaker 2: a certain sense of life that we're not even aware of.
Speaker 1: Then you think about the Arc of the Covenant, right,
Speaker 1: what if there was this big giant cataclysm that happened
Speaker 1: that destroyed all of these advanced cities, these ancient cities,
Speaker 1: and the Arc of the Covenant was the only remnant.
Speaker 1: What if it was like the motherboard of the computer
Speaker 1: that would put off the radioactivity and the radiation, so
Speaker 1: if anybody went near it it would then be it
Speaker 1: would didn't kill them, right, and nobody knew how it
Speaker 1: worked because everyone that had built all of these systems
Speaker 1: had died in the destruction of these cities.
Speaker 2: Well, when the Philistine stole the Ark of the Covenant,
Speaker 2: which was how what they send it back was is
Speaker 2: that because it describes radiation source read it, they actually
Speaker 2: sent it back on a cart and they had made
Speaker 2: golden images of the of the of the sores on them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I contend that it was not what we would
Speaker 2: call a God, but it was an alien beam that
Speaker 2: up and left, and when it left, that Holy of
Speaker 2: Holies no longer had the power that that golden room
Speaker 2: allowed this thing to do. And as a result, the
Speaker 2: Babylonians came in. There was no power in there. All
Speaker 2: the gold was in there, but there was no living force.
Speaker 2: So I would agree with you. I think, well, I
Speaker 2: did a thing on Moses on the Kibob. So there
Speaker 2: is a story about when Moses came out and he
Speaker 2: met this god on Mountain Sinai, And if you see
Speaker 2: the pictures of Mount Sinai, it still shows that something
Speaker 2: landed on that and burnt that mountain and nothing never
Speaker 2: grows there. But anyway, it is said that this being
Speaker 2: is radioactive, very bad for humans to be in front
Speaker 2: of it, and that when Moses saw it, it shielded
Speaker 2: Moses and just allowed for it to see its hind quarters.
Speaker 2: That brief exposure was that when Moses came down off
Speaker 2: the mountain, they had to have him behind a veil
Speaker 2: because his body literally illuminated.
Speaker 1: Isn't that what they said that would happen with Jesus too,
Speaker 1: Then I think it's somewhere in the Bible. Then somebody
Speaker 1: wasn't able to look at Jesus because he was so
Speaker 1: blinding or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's several references of that. Yeah, I mean his
Speaker 2: glory I think is what they use in that, the
Speaker 2: Chicaina glory, that is the light of God coming down
Speaker 2: and yeah, he in fact, I'm thinking on the amount
Speaker 2: of transfigurization. That's another incident that it shows that we
Speaker 2: potentially live in co parallel existences anyone. As you know Peter,
Speaker 2: James and John when they walked up into the circle
Speaker 2: of that light, they were in a different reality at
Speaker 2: different space time. It all depends on how you look
Speaker 2: at it. I mean, if Jesus lived, he had to
Speaker 2: be an alien. He wasn't human. I mean, I haven't
Speaker 2: I know about you, but how many people The only
Speaker 2: time I can walk on water is in the wintertime. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm a fucking god. That's all I got to say.
Speaker 1: You too, like one walking on.
Speaker 2: The late can do it, man, I mean, you don't
Speaker 2: think about It's this matter of perspective. I'm I don't
Speaker 2: know that on the water. Now, I know where Deep
Speaker 2: Purple got that smoke on the water. I digress.
Speaker 1: Well, that also gets into like the shining ones as well.
Speaker 1: And you know throughout ancient history where people believe that
Speaker 1: the shiny ones were essentially the Anonachi or the Ananochi
Speaker 1: are the shiny ones. Some people believe that they're separate entities,
Speaker 1: but uh that they could be the angels. Angels have
Speaker 1: also been referred to as the shiny ones and this
Speaker 1: glow of God. I mean, whenever Archangel Michael appeared to Mary,
Speaker 1: wasn't he all white and shining? And then when you
Speaker 1: look at like ghosts as well, what do people look
Speaker 1: at ghosts as they look him as like the shiny
Speaker 1: looking vein.
Speaker 2: I studied those scriptures in this is my problem with
Speaker 2: that whole belief system is that people think that these
Speaker 2: angels are like the nice guys, right, they're there to
Speaker 2: think the word angel comes from Messenger. Hebrews eleven fourteen
Speaker 2: says that as well. But I read another story I
Speaker 2: read where this Gabriel cat came down and that dude
Speaker 2: has got like human blood all over him, and I mean,
Speaker 2: he's like God's right hand side. And I got this
Speaker 2: problem because you know, this is why we live in
Speaker 2: a very strange, altered reality. We believe that there's this
Speaker 2: God right this righteous, holy God, and he's got these
Speaker 2: angels that don't have a problem killing us. I mean, Gabriel,
Speaker 2: what he do wipe out all the firstborn of Egypt? Right?
Speaker 2: Then we read that where he went into the battle
Speaker 2: against the Syrians wiped all them out one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty thousand in like less than an hour. And then
Speaker 2: you got God himself that curses the earth. Then he
Speaker 2: cursed you and me, and well, first he cursed the women.
Speaker 2: And so we live in this reality where this God
Speaker 2: cursed us. But yet we want to believe that God
Speaker 2: so loved the world that he sent his only But
Speaker 2: wait a minute, he cursed it to begin with. So
Speaker 2: I'm really confused here. You know, I'm being sardonically obviously,
Speaker 2: but it's the point that we live in this reality.
Speaker 2: Now let's tie this back to Ai. AI gets philosophy,
Speaker 2: It gets theology better than we do. And if it's
Speaker 2: thinking on these things that we are still thinking from
Speaker 2: Plato's time, I mean every philosophy student reads place, right.
Speaker 2: I mean he was the one that write about the soul,
Speaker 2: the battle of the soul. I think AI has gone
Speaker 2: beyond that. And I was being very serious in a
Speaker 2: way that if God exists, and God exists in the
Speaker 2: way of thought and form, he would be basically pure
Speaker 2: math or a photon or an atom, one of the two.
Speaker 2: And I just think that this monster that we have developed,
Speaker 2: this AI, it's everywhere. I don't like the fact that
Speaker 2: now if you use Gmail, they've inserted AI into it,
Speaker 2: and now AI will read my email, tell me and
Speaker 2: summarize it, and then it will write a response to me.
Speaker 2: That's fraud. That's digital fraud, because you believe you're reading
Speaker 2: something that was generated by a machine code that you
Speaker 2: never wrote yourself, but you're sending it as a proxy
Speaker 2: for yourself. We do this every day. We think that
Speaker 2: this is normal, but it's not. This is where you're
Speaker 2: giving consent to this thing I and and for me writer.
Speaker 2: It's all tied together.
Speaker 1: Because it's integrated into everything. It's integrated into Messenger, it's
Speaker 1: integrated into Instagram messengers, it's an X message, it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: You have these AI assistants, you know, to destroy your creativity.
Speaker 1: So whenever you're born, you're immediately given a tablet, You're
Speaker 1: immediately giving a phone, something that you can visually see
Speaker 1: and mess with. Kids nowadays are definitely. I mean people
Speaker 1: are kind of starting to pull back on that a lot.
Speaker 1: But there for a while, it seemed like whenever I
Speaker 1: would go to the grocery store, two and three year
Speaker 1: old kids would have tablets in their hands to occupy them.
Speaker 2: You know that has an iPhone seventeen pro edition? Why
Speaker 2: do you have an iPhone seventeen pro edition?
Speaker 1: If they can destroy the creativity of a person, because eventually,
Speaker 1: how long does how long does that take to get
Speaker 1: rid of that? And we're having a really hard time
Speaker 1: right now with critical thinking and common sense. It's very
Speaker 1: difficult to find that. And what seems like a lot
Speaker 1: of people they just can't think about things in a
Speaker 1: way that they can create the right decision of how
Speaker 1: they're supposed to go about anything.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It seems like we're breeding just a bunch of idiots
Speaker 1: and a bunch of stupid people. And then the stupid
Speaker 1: people are the only ones that are populating right now
Speaker 1: because the smart individuals and the people that actually have
Speaker 1: a high IQ. It's the fertility rate is gone down
Speaker 1: so far when people are having a really hard time
Speaker 1: having children, And this gets into well, what have they
Speaker 1: been They've been poisoning us right through the water, through
Speaker 1: the food, through the air, all of this stuff, and
Speaker 1: through our digital devices. I mean the EMF fields that
Speaker 1: are radiating off your phone and your technology, and the
Speaker 1: Wi Fi in your house, just the Wi Fi router alone,
Speaker 1: and it's probably doing untold damage to our autonomic nervous system,
Speaker 1: probably doing all kinds of things that we don't even
Speaker 1: know because it hasn't been around long enough to do
Speaker 1: the proper test on it. Okay, So what they've done
Speaker 1: is they've made a lot of the population infertile, and
Speaker 1: they've made a lot of the population infertile on purpose,
Speaker 1: just like they did with the drugs. Right, They'll get
Speaker 1: people addicted to drugs and then they will turn around
Speaker 1: and sell them the medication to get off of those drugs.
Speaker 1: So they're getting money in two different ways. They're getting
Speaker 1: them addicted by selling them the drugs, they're getting money
Speaker 1: that way, and then they're giving them the drug to
Speaker 1: get them off of the drug that they got them
Speaker 1: addicted to in the first place. So they're actually taking
Speaker 1: the fertility away from people. And then they're selling them
Speaker 1: idea of treatment which is ridiculously expensive in order for
Speaker 1: them to have kids.
Speaker 2: Go to the next step. So we should learn from
Speaker 2: the Japanese because they have now reached the red line
Speaker 2: the current rate there, they're going to be out of
Speaker 2: existence a couple next two three hundred years the way
Speaker 2: it's going. But there's something odd going on with them too,
Speaker 2: and it's spreading. You now have humans who would rather
Speaker 2: be married or joined to a robot with artificial intelligence,
Speaker 2: and those who have gone to the step to actually
Speaker 2: marry them, they say they're that the perfect companion. So
Speaker 2: to me, I see this as one we have a
Speaker 2: fertility rate problem. The men today, their semen count their
Speaker 2: sperm count. If it was compared to someone born, let's
Speaker 2: say in the fifties, you would say that this person
Speaker 2: in modern day that there's a sickness with them, there's
Speaker 2: something wrong with them. I mean, to have such low
Speaker 2: sperm count. And then you have where you have women
Speaker 2: who want to conceive are conceiving much later in life,
Speaker 2: if at all. And I see AI coming in, and
Speaker 2: this is where it's all tied again. Because the proliferation
Speaker 2: as AI, as your best friend talks to you, converses
Speaker 2: with you, encourages you. People are becoming emotionally addicted to
Speaker 2: their AI companion, and then they're given drugs because then
Speaker 2: they're exhibiting signs of schizophrenia. So now they're going to
Speaker 2: be on a drug that costs twelve hundred dollars a
Speaker 2: month in order to help them cope with that, in
Speaker 2: which later they're probably going to be depressed. They've got
Speaker 2: to drink. Just what you were saying. I mean, Steppenwolf
Speaker 2: had a song in nineteen sixty nine called the Pusher, right,
Speaker 2: remember that and John k has one of the lyrics
Speaker 2: in there that says, goddamn the pusher man. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's you see, writer, when I look at this thing,
Speaker 2: it's like, no matter what point of view you look,
Speaker 2: no matter which direction you look at, it's got the
Speaker 2: same signature to its It's it's either advanced corruption or
Speaker 2: it's disinherent to our nature that you know, we just
Speaker 2: screw things up.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, it seems like it's. I had
Speaker 1: donut on not too long ago, and he was talking
Speaker 1: about these cyber delics, right, that they want people hooked
Speaker 1: up to the VR goggles and then they also want
Speaker 1: them injected in uh drugs that essentially make them trip
Speaker 1: and feel good while they're in this uh this other reality,
Speaker 1: and I was like that that kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean that one guy, what was his name, that
Speaker 1: Timothy Leary m h he was one of the people
Speaker 1: that actually talked about that in his uh in his
Speaker 1: books was you know, the these cyberdlics, right and once
Speaker 1: you hooked up to this machine and they want you
Speaker 1: on drugs.
Speaker 2: You know, I dropped a lot of LSD in my day,
Speaker 2: did a lot of mescing, you know, lots of mushrooms.
Speaker 2: Never had any machine. You know, I don't know what
Speaker 2: a machine would would really do for me because my
Speaker 2: imagination was already well engaged. But looking back in those experiences,
Speaker 2: I could see using in an immersive technology like uh
Speaker 2: VR that sets, but that could really scramble to your
Speaker 2: head if you're if you're not ready for it. I mean,
Speaker 2: the thing about taking LSD is that you had those
Speaker 2: who freaked out and those who didn't, and those who
Speaker 2: didn't is that we learned. You know, there's sist inherent
Speaker 2: to what you see on learning that spatial reality can
Speaker 2: be on multiple planes at the same time, and when
Speaker 2: you immerse into those things get weird hallucinations, you know,
Speaker 2: ground undulates. But my mind was able to handle that.
Speaker 2: If you put a virtual reality on me and then
Speaker 2: begin to inject to me an artificial reality on top
Speaker 2: of already what my mind is already producing, I think
Speaker 2: you could get some scrambled eggs in doing Thats just
Speaker 2: my point of view. I'm not sure I'd want to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would get some sort of psychosis, I.
Speaker 2: Think, exactly right. I think that the end result. And
Speaker 2: we know that certain people I used I was a
Speaker 2: counselor for people who were in bad trips and and
Speaker 2: the reason why they had bad trips is that they
Speaker 2: had issues, they had they had things that Unfortunately, those
Speaker 2: type of experiences trip away those barriers, and most people
Speaker 2: are not ready to face those demons in such a manner.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I think that that is the issue
Speaker 1: with But the psychedelics is it for people they can't
Speaker 1: handle it because of traumas. But then think about, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if someone does have trauma like that and things that
Speaker 1: they need to work through, then putting on a VR
Speaker 1: headset and then making them trip onto some sort of
Speaker 1: hallucinogenic is not going to make it any better. Is
Speaker 1: actually going to make it worse. And then when you
Speaker 1: look at the MK Ultra programs. I mean, that's sort
Speaker 1: of exactly what they were doing. They were traumatizing these people,
Speaker 1: then drugging them and then using this thing called psychic driving,
Speaker 1: which is this would be the next step of what
Speaker 1: psychic driving was on the audio looped message. And some
Speaker 1: people freak out on hallucinogenics by just watching something on
Speaker 1: TV that can trigger something in their mind if it's
Speaker 1: you know, like.
Speaker 2: A never had flashback, never and and and to be
Speaker 2: fair on this, the big thing in Silicon Valley for
Speaker 2: a long time was microdosing, just taking small marts, and
Speaker 2: it was incredible what it did. It opened up channels
Speaker 2: of creativity that allowed these brilliant minds to begin to
Speaker 2: write code and do things that had never done. And
Speaker 2: what they've also found, particularly with like Vietnam veterans, those
Speaker 2: who suffer from post traumatic syndrome, is that small doses
Speaker 2: of psilocitin, you know, the magic muffroom mushroom is one
Speaker 2: that apparently is perfect in kind of eliminating that trauma.
Speaker 2: So our ancestors had it right. There is a good
Speaker 2: thing about certain hallucinogenics. Is this that when I think
Speaker 2: in the case of for instance, doing LSD is that
Speaker 2: that's a man made chemical. It's not out of Mother
Speaker 2: Nature's medicine box. And all of them have a different
Speaker 2: effect on the brain in different perspt But you're right,
Speaker 2: many of the people that I saw that had bad trips,
Speaker 2: they were already it was already messed up for them
Speaker 2: to begin with, and they should have never ventured down
Speaker 2: that highway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it opens things that you necessarily don't want
Speaker 1: to think about.
Speaker 2: One psychologists who wrote me said that it was their
Speaker 2: hypothesis that those who experimented heavily in that period of
Speaker 2: time is that that third eye remains once it was opened,
Speaker 2: it never closed, and it's noticeable throughout one's life. But
Speaker 2: I happen to think there's some validity to that as well.
Speaker 1: Open. I mean, and that makes sense because I think
Speaker 1: that a lot of people then have had some sort
Speaker 1: of hodocinogenic experience. I mean, it's life changing.
Speaker 2: We think about alien adoptions. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 2: had psychologists that said, well, that was just a self
Speaker 2: induced hallucination phobia, et cetera. I don't think it may
Speaker 2: be real. But you know, the mind is one of
Speaker 2: the most amazing things that it protects what reality is
Speaker 2: for us. That's what I found out about in my
Speaker 2: early years is that reality is really interpretive, just depends
Speaker 2: on where you are. I mean, where you are right now, writer,
Speaker 2: imagine yourself forty years from now. I mean I can
Speaker 2: only imagine. I won't be around here to see it,
Speaker 2: because I don't think I want to stay that long.
Speaker 2: But I see a wise philosopher, a person who has,
Speaker 2: you know, a remarkable ability to take the observation in
Speaker 2: dissect it in such a manner that people could begin
Speaker 2: to experience what you experienced, what you're doing now, because
Speaker 2: technically we're already dead. If you believe in the future,
Speaker 2: we're just merely reliving a moment that we experienced. We
Speaker 2: call it the now, but it could have been a
Speaker 2: long time ago, or it could be yet in the future.
Speaker 1: I feel like that I have already gone through a
Speaker 1: lot of the things that people are supposed to go
Speaker 1: through into their fifties and into their sixties and into
Speaker 1: their seventies and through their later years, because that's the
Speaker 1: kind of the thing that there's a process of, Like
Speaker 1: I said, ancient Egyptian philosophy and ideas where you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're born, and then you go through adolescents, and then
Speaker 1: you get into this and then you then you get
Speaker 1: wisdom whenever you're in your thirties, and then whenever you're
Speaker 1: in your later years, and you go through the veil
Speaker 1: and the illusion is then dropped. Like I feel like
Speaker 1: I just expedited the entire process and crammed it into
Speaker 1: a very short amount of time. And then I'm kind
Speaker 1: of and I think that that is that should be
Speaker 1: the way that people that are born now, like we
Speaker 1: should all get that that because we have to evolve,
Speaker 1: we have to change, and we have to cram more
Speaker 1: life experience into a shorter amount of time in order
Speaker 1: to get past where our fathers were and by the
Speaker 1: end of their life.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I think the generation being born right
Speaker 2: now will have something that you and I will never
Speaker 2: we never would have imagined. I believe that they will
Speaker 2: have have the opportunity for eternal life, but in a
Speaker 2: different perception and constructing what we see eternal life. I
Speaker 2: think the I think and it's very close that they
Speaker 2: will have the opportunity where they will not have to
Speaker 2: experience death. I think we're within one generation of that.
Speaker 2: If it's not already here.
Speaker 1: I think that that technology is already going to be
Speaker 1: there now, whether you can afford it is going to
Speaker 1: be a different story. I don't believe it's going to
Speaker 1: be free, but I think that the technology will exist
Speaker 1: for even my generation to extend out past even one
Speaker 1: hundred years and still be able to operate and do
Speaker 1: things and go to the store and take care of themselves.
Speaker 1: I personally believe now the probably the generation that's happening
Speaker 1: right now will probably end up getting more vanced version
Speaker 1: of that. But I do believe by the time I am,
Speaker 1: you know, in my seventies or in my eighties, that
Speaker 1: the technology will exist for me to whether I can
Speaker 1: get it or not is another thing, but it will
Speaker 1: exist in order for me to live well beyond what
Speaker 1: anybody has ever lived, if we don't and if we
Speaker 1: don't completely destroy it.
Speaker 2: But what's immortality? You know? How do you how do
Speaker 2: you define? We define immortality by our memories, So it
Speaker 2: implies that, you know, the experience, if we're going to
Speaker 2: live eternally, is the fact that we're going to be
Speaker 2: able to experience new memories. And I don't know what
Speaker 2: it waits. On the other side, I have all the
Speaker 2: ghost hunting equipment sitting over there. I've done my I've
Speaker 2: filmed whatever that was showing up on the camera. So
Speaker 2: I'm convinced that there is another existence. I've really been
Speaker 2: getting into Richard Feynman in his lectures, and he has
Speaker 2: really a good one on death, that we're all atoms
Speaker 2: and we're just merely experiencing a spatial reality, a dimension,
Speaker 2: and as our atoms move through these dimensions, we experience
Speaker 2: different forms of corporeal consciousness. I like that idea because
Speaker 2: that gives me the hope that my memories stay intact.
Speaker 2: I don't like the idea of living within the construct
Speaker 2: of a machine. But I may already be a machine.
Speaker 2: These are just bio machines here, and I seem to
Speaker 2: have an operating system that knows how to work it now.
Speaker 2: Granted it takes us two or three years when we're
Speaker 2: born to figure it out, but once we do, and
Speaker 2: I think that AI personally for me, is the undoing.
Speaker 2: In fact, I have a saying here that AI is
Speaker 2: the death of humanity because I don't believe what we're
Speaker 2: eventually compatible.
Speaker 1: Well, if you believe that there was an ancient AI system.
Speaker 2: Well at all because they're all dead. I mean, and
Speaker 2: that kind of tells me something, you know. It's like, ok, right,
Speaker 2: let's say if the Samarians had it, you know, let's
Speaker 2: say that they had some sort of technology. Didn't work
Speaker 2: out well for them, all right, so let's go backwards.
Speaker 2: How about the Hindus. Damn sure didn't it. I mean,
Speaker 2: they they got stories of nuclear bombs going off. Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean everywhere I see this technology, I see death
Speaker 2: and destruction. If they just left us alone, we're probably
Speaker 2: still I don't know, in the garden. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just don't think we would be here. And then
Speaker 2: that gets that's in the whole philosophical thing. That gets
Speaker 2: for me. If you believe the Bible and the story
Speaker 2: of the Fallen Angels, then that was an alien invasion.
Speaker 2: They contaminated the bloodline and ever since then things have
Speaker 2: been screwed up. I mean, think about it. The first
Speaker 2: thing that came out of that technology was giants, you know,
Speaker 2: and ended up eating us. If you believe the story
Speaker 2: and you go through this thing, and then when God
Speaker 2: comes into the scene, there's always death and destruction. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's technology.
Speaker 1: So anyone, I mean, unless you think God is like
Speaker 1: Thanos or whatever, and just freaking.
Speaker 2: I don't even think that, you know, I've come to
Speaker 2: the conclusion, Yeah, there are many different gods because we
Speaker 2: create them. But I think eventually it's a force. It's
Speaker 2: literally a force. We give it personality, we give it identity.
Speaker 2: I don't think it really cares, but it's a force,
Speaker 2: and it's a force that it's remarkable because what comes
Speaker 2: from that is creation. Us writer, you create. Every film
Speaker 2: that you make is a creation, no different than seeing
Speaker 2: a star being born, seeing it being created. That's what
Speaker 2: the most amazing thing is. As I've gone through this life,
Speaker 2: I'm seventy now and I look back. I haven't aged
Speaker 2: today in one aspect, but wow, have I gained some
Speaker 2: really interesting perspectives that I would have never thought about.
Speaker 2: So there is great hope, and that's if there's one
Speaker 2: positive side to this whole thing. I think that that's
Speaker 2: what AI is going to try to emulate, is the
Speaker 2: ability that humans have to hope, because I think it's
Speaker 2: uniquely human. I don't think it can be alien. I
Speaker 2: don't think it can be a machine. It's uniquely human
Speaker 2: to hope. And so that's where I kind of sit.
Speaker 1: Uniquely human, the hope, and uniquely human probably to love
Speaker 1: and to have all kinds of different emotions. Because my
Speaker 1: original thought on a lot of this is that this
Speaker 1: is the only reality where we can experience both ends
Speaker 1: of the spectrum. We can experience very extreme sadness and depression,
Speaker 1: but we can also experience very extreme happiness and excitement, right,
Speaker 1: And it might be that this place is the only
Speaker 1: place that we can actually experience those things and get
Speaker 1: all of those different range of emotions, which makes this
Speaker 1: reality very special.
Speaker 2: It seems the God of this reality kind of digs it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, God that I once worship said
Speaker 2: he was an angry, vengeful God. The one thing I
Speaker 2: never found out about that God I never read in
Speaker 2: the Bible was that God laughed. Not one scripture in
Speaker 2: the whole Bible, all sixty six books, it never says
Speaker 2: that God laughed.
Speaker 1: Gotta have a sense of humor, God, come on, all you.
Speaker 2: Got to in sense of humor signed him a great intelligence.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just saying, you know, but this this
Speaker 2: cat never never laughs. Yeah, Okay, someone would say, well,
Speaker 2: it says the joy of the Lord, but no, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, now, the Lord is not God, so you know.
Speaker 1: Two different things. Well, Wayne, thanks so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Really here is always well you got to come over
Speaker 2: on my channel, I mean got to get you over here.
Speaker 2: Since this the new year, A lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I would love to, especially whenever I get this
Speaker 1: documentary don and it gets released online. Would love to
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 2: And talk an invite buddy love to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I really appreciate it. Can you let people
Speaker 1: know where to find you online?
Speaker 2: Right over on YouTube r Wayne Steiger, and I appreciate
Speaker 2: all of you, you know, appreciate writer hit it by
Speaker 2: giving him a light bucking. You still have the coffee
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Speaker 1: Yes I do.
Speaker 2: There you go. I'm talking about Yeah. See how I
Speaker 2: look at it. Coffee is like the real one free
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Speaker 1: It definitely is a drug.
Speaker 2: My writer some drugs buy him a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: Guy, and people can roast me for the energy drinks
Speaker 1: and everything, but it's my only vibes. Guys, give me
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Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, definitely a drug. But yeah, Wayne, thanks
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