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<v Speaker 1>Now one of your pudding. I got a string going

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<v Speaker 1>on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,

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<v Speaker 1>my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over

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<v Speaker 1>the fence and he was dead. And once you hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I

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<v Speaker 1>saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling

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<v Speaker 1>around out here? Did you see what it was? Or

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<v Speaker 1>was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through

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<v Speaker 1>the window now and I don't see anything. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, get

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<v Speaker 1>somebody out here. Quent on out there. I thought of

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of about text forty nine. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Easy him out there. Yeah, I'm right head.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hey, greetings, thanks for joining me. Is fred Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>What I wanted to share with you today. This guy,

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<v Speaker 2>his name is Michael Hollister. He used to live in

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<v Speaker 2>Alaska up until roughly a decade ago. This experience is

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<v Speaker 2>and why he left Alaska, but it was his last

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<v Speaker 2>hunting experience. He loved to hunt black bear. He liked

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<v Speaker 2>to get himself a barry bear bears that have been

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<v Speaker 2>on a barry patch for a week, So it's his thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a big fan of bear meat any scavenger really,

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<v Speaker 2>but to each his own, no judgment there. He was

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<v Speaker 2>doing a DIY do it yourself bear hunt across catch

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<v Speaker 2>Mac Bay in the Kenai Mountains. This incident happened about

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years ago. Roughly. Michael is in his seventies now

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<v Speaker 2>and he's wanting to get certain things in his life

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<v Speaker 2>off his chest. He reached out a while back and

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<v Speaker 2>we had some hard time getting coordinated on getting a

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<v Speaker 2>telephonic interview. He had a stroke about five years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted to do an interview, and we attempted a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of times, but his speech just wasn't conducive to

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<v Speaker 2>a very good interview. I appreciate his efforts, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we'll handle it this way. Understand where this guy went

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<v Speaker 2>black bear hunting, and it was unaware to him for

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<v Speaker 2>many years. Harry Man Bigfoot wasn't in his wheelhouse up

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<v Speaker 2>until these days. This area would be northeast to port Lock,

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<v Speaker 2>not very far. I would be willing to bet that

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<v Speaker 2>couple of these creatures in this incident were probably from

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<v Speaker 2>the same area where the historical thing in Port Lock happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So what makes this different is it's not just your

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<v Speaker 2>run of the mill Harryman's scream personal. So let's just

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<v Speaker 2>get into it. Let me explain to you what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on. But he was in day three of his hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>He had seen a couple black bears, none that he

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<v Speaker 2>felt were worthy of taking, so he held his shots

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<v Speaker 2>and just decided he's gonna wait for the one he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to get, the good one. So he's on basically

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<v Speaker 2>an alpine slope going along to berry patches, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>pick out a black bear at a distance and then

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<v Speaker 2>spot in stock do his thing. So he's on this

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<v Speaker 2>particular ridge, and this would be somewhere outside of Port Graham.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he's going along. He hears slope plane off

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<v Speaker 2>in the distance, which is not uncommon, especially in Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's just listening to the hum of the plane

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<v Speaker 2>as he's glassing. He's looking for this bear. He decides,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go over this next little ridge and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna sit in this little saddle that he knew of

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<v Speaker 2>in between these two little ridges. His little elevated saddle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got a dip in it, and he's just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>nestle down there and potentially camp there and catch something.

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<v Speaker 2>First thing morning just below him in this meadow where

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<v Speaker 2>all these berries were, So he starts working his way

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<v Speaker 2>up there. It's getting on into dusk, and so he

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<v Speaker 2>knows he needs to get to it. Now. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>totally above tree line, he's just almost at tree line

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<v Speaker 2>elevation wise. So as he's going along, he's getting a

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<v Speaker 2>little winded, and he decides, I'm going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>break right here for a minute. I got time to

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<v Speaker 2>get to where I know I'm going and be good

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<v Speaker 2>to go. He wasn't planning any fire or anything like.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all he had to do is roll out his

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping bag do his thing. So he gets up, sits

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<v Speaker 2>down in this area where he got up to, not

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<v Speaker 2>literally stood up or anything. He gets to this area

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<v Speaker 2>where he's going to take his break. He's sitting on

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<v Speaker 2>this mound or tundra. So he sits down and he's

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there. It's before dusk, it's getting dark. Everything is silhouetted,

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<v Speaker 2>and he has approximately he guesstimated about eighty yards till

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<v Speaker 2>the tree line break and then it's just all it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost fjord like. You got to understand the terrain. If

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the Kenai Mountains you can see what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about. There's some little valleys in there and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but once you get to the base of the mountain,

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<v Speaker 2>they're fjord like. They just jettison straight up. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there and he's trying to figure out what that

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<v Speaker 2>sound is. He's hearing this sound, and it's the direction

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<v Speaker 2>he's facing is I guess it would be due east.

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<v Speaker 2>He's facing due east where he was sitting, it would

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<v Speaker 2>be off to his left hand side. He's hearing movement

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<v Speaker 2>in the trees between him and the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>tree line on the alpine level, and so he's really

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<v Speaker 2>curious about this noise. He's thinking, Oh, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>the black bear was above me and maybe stalking me

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<v Speaker 2>as I was trying to stalk it. So he thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was comical that, oh Jesus is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a story to tell people where I'm stalking a bear,

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<v Speaker 2>but yet the bears ends up stalking me kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's just kind of chuckles to himself about the

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<v Speaker 2>potential situation he's in now. As Michael's sitting there, he

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<v Speaker 2>decides he's gonna eat one of his granola bars, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing it intentionally, hoping that the rapper sound and

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<v Speaker 2>the smell will entice this bear to show itself. Seven

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<v Speaker 2>millimeter mag rifle. He wasn't worried about needing anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets halfway done with this granola bar and he's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to ignore the noises off to his left hand side.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got the rifle right where he can easily grab it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in a spot where he has time to react.

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<v Speaker 2>He's confident in what he's doing, very confident. Now this

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<v Speaker 2>noise sounds like he's coming closer and closer, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he realizes it's more like a pacing, and he starts

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<v Speaker 2>thinking he's had never known a bear to re paste

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<v Speaker 2>like that. They'll usually circle around windy or something, try

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<v Speaker 2>to get eyes on you see if your potential prayer

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<v Speaker 2>or not. So he decides, I'm going to go straight

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<v Speaker 2>at this bear, flush it out. If it breaks the

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<v Speaker 2>tree line, it's going to be down in an open

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<v Speaker 2>metal I can at least get a shot on it. Maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>So he rethinks it because of it getting dark, and

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want to deal with shooting in that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of light, so he reevaluates on the flang goes, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna stop trying to flush this, I'm gonna go back down,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna continue to my camp. He totally rethinks

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<v Speaker 2>it as he was moving, so he gets up to

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<v Speaker 2>go and then changes his mind. After a couple steps,

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<v Speaker 2>rethinks it, thinks better of it, grabs his pack, slings it,

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<v Speaker 2>takes his rifle, and he starts going to where he

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<v Speaker 2>knows he's going to camp. He gets about from what

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<v Speaker 2>he said about eight steps into this journey to where

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<v Speaker 2>he guestimated he was within a quarter to half mile

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<v Speaker 2>of where this little bench saddled spot is that he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be camping out on. So he determines

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<v Speaker 2>can get there in probably twenty thirty minutes. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna pace myself because he just started and he felt

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<v Speaker 2>himself trying to rush, so he wanted to calm down,

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<v Speaker 2>lower his energy level a little bit, and gain focus.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, what was weird is that eight steps in

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, he felt overwhelmingly watched. He felt like he

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<v Speaker 2>was being watched, so he was taking it as bear's

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<v Speaker 2>got eyes on me, let me calm him down, so

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<v Speaker 2>if something happens, I'm not all worked up. But as

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<v Speaker 2>he's going along, he's getting more and more anxious. The

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<v Speaker 2>movement's continuing. The pacing had stopped after he stood up

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<v Speaker 2>and started moving, and then it's basically pacing him, but

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<v Speaker 2>off behind him, just a little ways off on his left,

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<v Speaker 2>always out of view, but back behind him. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>really nervous about having something behind him behind his direction.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's slowing down and hopes that it catches up

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<v Speaker 2>to him, parallels him, so that way he can at

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<v Speaker 2>least not have to worry about looking directly behind him

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<v Speaker 2>or have something behind him. So as he's going along,

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<v Speaker 2>this movement continues, and it does. It does catch up

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<v Speaker 2>when he slows down, but it parallels him. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>other bear like behavior to this right, so he's really

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<v Speaker 2>thrown off at what's going on. It's getting darker. He

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<v Speaker 2>finds himself checking to make sure he's got around in

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<v Speaker 2>the chamber. Even though he's a discipline hunter, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>like making click noises out in the fields. He knows

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<v Speaker 2>there's a round in that chamber. He said he was

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<v Speaker 2>feeling so uneasy, his skin was crawling. Out of all

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<v Speaker 2>the years, which are very many bear hunting, brown, black, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>he never felt this way. So he felt out of place.

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<v Speaker 2>He felt like he didn't belong there, and he felt

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<v Speaker 2>very nervous about the situation he was in. He continues on.

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<v Speaker 2>He reaches this thicker wooded area and it's just darkness

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<v Speaker 2>with the light skyline going into dusk. So he decides, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be going through these dark trees.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though they're small, they're not very big. They're a

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<v Speaker 2>little thick here, little sparseer over here. He's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>evaluate the best plan of accident. So he says, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm gonna Instead of camping up on that

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<v Speaker 2>saddle where I wanted to, I'm gonna go straight down

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<v Speaker 2>cross this upper alpine meadow of these berry patches and

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<v Speaker 2>camp down a tree line down further down. So he

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<v Speaker 2>makes up his mind and he starts creating distance between

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<v Speaker 2>him and this noise. Now, as he's creating this distance,

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<v Speaker 2>he's in open now and he's hearing movement up behind him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's getting in the dark because he's moving slow. He's

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<v Speaker 2>very methodical, he said in his twenty twenty hindsight, he

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<v Speaker 2>thought maybe subconsciously he was trying to draw whatever it

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<v Speaker 2>was out. He gets about half the distance to where

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to set up camp instead, and he said

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<v Speaker 2>it was approximately three hundred yards that he has moved

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<v Speaker 2>away from where he was eating a snack. There are

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<v Speaker 2>some broken trees, not broken, but broken up areas of trees.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a small little patch here, a small little patch

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<v Speaker 2>over there, so it was sparse. Once he cleared the

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<v Speaker 2>area coming down into the alpine metal, he gets out

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<v Speaker 2>into this open area and immediately he's shaking. He wasn't cold,

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<v Speaker 2>he felt overwhelmingly nervous. So he decides he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>take a knee and look up and see what's causing this.

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<v Speaker 2>So he does so. He takes a knee, and he

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<v Speaker 2>looks back up, and he said he saw dark movement.

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<v Speaker 2>It was hard to make out, but whatever it was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot bigger than any black bear he ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was still pitch black. So he figures, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the silhouette of a brown bear. It's just in

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<v Speaker 2>the shade. It's in the dark trees. So I obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna I'm not after a brown bear. So

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<v Speaker 2>he decides, thinking about a brown bear, he's just going

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<v Speaker 2>to continue further on down, not camp where he was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna the second time, but then pick a different spot

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<v Speaker 2>further down in the valley. So he's debating himself every movement. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted to first of all, make sure what he

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<v Speaker 2>this weird. It was like a weird kind of hum,

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<v Speaker 2>a weird kind of motor noise, but it was almost muffled.

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<v Speaker 2>It was almost distorted in a weird way, and he

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<v Speaker 2>as he's panning to the left of where he last

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<v Speaker 2>the tree line, and he's astonished. He's totally blown away.

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<v Speaker 2>This helicopter should be making a lot more noise at

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<v Speaker 2>that distance. It should be damn near deafening how close

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<v Speaker 2>it was, but it wasn't. It was just a weird noise.

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<v Speaker 2>He couldn't make out. This helicopter had no lights on whatsoever, none,

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<v Speaker 2>no flashing strobes, no safety strobes or none of that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was totally blacked out. He could just see it

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<v Speaker 2>above the trees, and it was a perfect silhouette of that.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't know the exact make of the helicopter. He

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<v Speaker 2>and he's I'm not breaking any laws. I have my permit,

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<v Speaker 2>because I have nothing to do with those guys. He

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<v Speaker 2>spot I'm going to camp. Well, he gets over to

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<v Speaker 2>it and he's still washing way up the ridge now

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<v Speaker 2>because he created quite a distance, damn near a mile,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was well on to get in dark. He

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<v Speaker 2>heard that weird sound fade away. No sooner than the

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<v Speaker 2>weird sound faded away, he heard a large crashing boong

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<v Speaker 2>bang sound up the slope where he last saw what

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<v Speaker 2>he thought was a brown bear, silhouetted in the darkness.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not like the feeling he got when he

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<v Speaker 2>heard those noises, the crashing and the breaking. Michael said

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<v Speaker 2>that he wished there was more daylight. He would have

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<v Speaker 2>just hiked out right then. He felt overwhelmingly compelled to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of there, so he decides he already knew

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<v Speaker 2>within himself he wasn't gonna be able to fall asleep.

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<v Speaker 2>So what he does is he decides he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>to keep himself from slowly dozing off from being tired.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, he's an older guy. He's been hiking. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been at this for a couple of days already,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's just it wears on somebody, even someone young

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<v Speaker 2>and fitpaking about hiking up and down the mountains a

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<v Speaker 2>few times over a course of a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna wear your ass out. I don't care who

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<v Speaker 2>you are. So he decides, I'm just gonna do these things.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have an open line of sight. He had flashlights,

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<v Speaker 2>he had plenty of batteries, but he preferred not to

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<v Speaker 2>use him unless he had to. So, as he's debating

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<v Speaker 2>on flashlighting, a sound he's been hearing that sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>he's getting closer and closer, he's, man, let me hold

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<v Speaker 2>off before I flash this thing with the flashlight ruin

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<v Speaker 2>my night vision temporarily, and see if it comes closer.

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<v Speaker 2>If it comes closer, I'm gonna beam it and potentially

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<v Speaker 2>have to shoot this bear if it's showing any sign

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<v Speaker 2>of aggression or not going away. I'm just gonna end

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<v Speaker 2>this crap and shoot this bear and stay tuned for

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<v Speaker 2>more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after

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<v Speaker 2>these messages. So the noise continues. He said his level

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<v Speaker 2>of unwarranted fear was just rising by the minute. He

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<v Speaker 2>felt like there's this overwhelming fear pressure on him, and

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<v Speaker 2>it just seems so weird because he had never felt

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<v Speaker 2>that before. He had been intense situations with brown bears,

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<v Speaker 2>black bears and whatnot. He couldn't understand and wrap his

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<v Speaker 2>mind around why he was feeling this way. So he decides,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, he takes the safety off his rifle and

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<v Speaker 2>he's kind of got it cop style, got the flashlight

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<v Speaker 2>and resting the stock of the gun over his wrist,

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<v Speaker 2>and he didn't like doing that. He didn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>better way at the moment. He just thought, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to beam whatever it is going to see the light,

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<v Speaker 2>get the hell out of dodge. It'll realize I'm human

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<v Speaker 2>and not prey. This particular flashlight he had was a

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<v Speaker 2>Surefire weapons style light nine hundred lumen, pretty bright, but

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<v Speaker 2>the batteries didn't last too long. So what he does

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<v Speaker 2>is he lights up the area in which he hears

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<v Speaker 2>this noise and he gets eye shine back. But the

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<v Speaker 2>eye shine he gets back is further away than he

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was, and he thought it was two animals

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<v Speaker 2>because of how quickly he hit the light. He thought

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<v Speaker 2>the eye shine the distance between the eye shine was

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<v Speaker 2>too far to be just one animal. He thought maybe two,

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<v Speaker 2>one looking out from one shrub, one looking out from

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<v Speaker 2>another shrub, and that's why he was seeing the two

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<v Speaker 2>eye shine. He was trying to wrap his mind around

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<v Speaker 2>that big of eye shine that far apart. It shouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 2>He kills the light and he starts contemplating. He's, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's two things. So in his mind he's thinking, there's

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<v Speaker 2>two things at this moment. So he goes, okay, let

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<v Speaker 2>me let him come in closer. Let's see if they

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<v Speaker 2>leave or if they coming closer after shine a light

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<v Speaker 2>on them. He sits there, he said, uncomfortably, for about

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<v Speaker 2>an hour until he hears movement again. And so he

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<v Speaker 2>stays calm, he stays disciplined, and he waits till this

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<v Speaker 2>noise is what he's assuming is in a clearing between

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<v Speaker 2>where he had seen the eye shine versus where he's at.

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<v Speaker 2>So as soon as he feels confident that this noise

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<v Speaker 2>is indeed had split the difference heat beams again, he

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<v Speaker 2>understands why it was such wide eyeshine. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>hairy man and it was pitch black. He said. It

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<v Speaker 2>had a very weird, milky gray kind of complexion to it.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he looked at it for a brief moment

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<v Speaker 2>he saw the eye shine he saw this thing look

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<v Speaker 2>like it was squatted down, which was still really big

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<v Speaker 2>at the distance right. So immediately he's what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>and he shoots around off, not directly at it, but

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<v Speaker 2>just pops around off to try to scare this thing off.

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<v Speaker 2>It worked, the thing took off to his left, and

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<v Speaker 2>he heard it for quite a while. So a little

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<v Speaker 2>while after this happens, he's panic stricken. He doesn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what he saw, he doesn't know what the hell he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do, and he decides, I'm not sitting right here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna move further down to where this river was

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<v Speaker 2>and be over there by the river. If I got

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<v Speaker 2>to escape, I'll jump into the river, do whatever I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta do. I don't know what the hell that thing is, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because again he had no reference points. He had never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of the Portlock mysteries and all that kind of shit,

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<v Speaker 2>which a lot of people haven't. He's sitting there and

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<v Speaker 2>as he's going along, he's replaying what has happened. And

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<v Speaker 2>trust me, he's moving along. He's not just do It's

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<v Speaker 2>not a walk in the park. I asked him, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, when you saw it with the flashlight, what

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<v Speaker 2>were your feelings? When you saw it, he said. It

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<v Speaker 2>was in a position of a linebacker on a line

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<v Speaker 2>of scrimmage, getting ready to rush a passer. Fair enough,

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked him, when you saw it, what exactly

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<v Speaker 2>did you see? And again he just explained. And the

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<v Speaker 2>skin on the face looked like a milky off gray,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, almost like a birch color. And the eyes

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<v Speaker 2>were eyeshine, of course, and the hair looked to be

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<v Speaker 2>pitch black, but it looked almost mangy. His light was

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<v Speaker 2>bright enough to break through the coarseness of the hair

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<v Speaker 2>and see the skin underneath. He said, it wasn't mangy,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't a bear, it wasn't a man. And

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<v Speaker 2>it took off running right after he popped the shot.

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<v Speaker 2>So he gets down closer to this river. As he's

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there, he's borderline terrified. He heard it run off,

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<v Speaker 2>but again he doesn't know what it is. At this point,

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<v Speaker 2>he's freaking out, and so he decides, all right, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna hunker down. He got himself into a cluster

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<v Speaker 2>of trees to where something that big would make a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of noise coming up behind him. So he had

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<v Speaker 2>an open line of fire in front of him to

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<v Speaker 2>back into a corner. Basically, he didn't like the feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what he felt he could do in the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>he admitted himself. The blacksperus and shit behind him were

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<v Speaker 2>not much of a protection, but it was better than

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<v Speaker 2>just open air. He puts another round into his rifle

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<v Speaker 2>as he's sitting here, and he's really worried about what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to come of this situation. Next day comes, he

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<v Speaker 2>goes off a little bit just before sunrise. There was

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<v Speaker 2>no other noises or anything, and as he's waking up,

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<v Speaker 2>he feels an overwhelming sense of peace. Low, that was

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<v Speaker 2>weird what I dealt with, But I think I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And as he's sitting there, he rubbing his eyes, he's

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<v Speaker 2>eating another granola bar and he notices a very nice

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<v Speaker 2>black bear off in the distance eating berries, and he's perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good sized boar. It's eating berries, perfect criteria.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I want. I'm gonna stalk this bear. So

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<v Speaker 2>he puts the night before out of his mind as

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<v Speaker 2>much as he could. He said, he kept always looking around,

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<v Speaker 2>almost to the point of it was ruining his hunt. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>He had no reference. He was still in shock. His words,

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<v Speaker 2>not mine, he said. If I had been in my

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<v Speaker 2>right mind, i'd have already been booking it out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that bear. Nothing really happened with that. Whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it was his words, not mine, whatever that was that

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<v Speaker 2>came in on me, I'm gonna do my thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>got plenty of daylight now, I can get my bear

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<v Speaker 2>that I want, and I can get back to the coast,

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<v Speaker 2>get back across towards Homer. So he makes up his mind.

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<v Speaker 2>A resilient guy. Setting his waist, he starts stalking the bear,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's at a disadvantage. It's up above him. The

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<v Speaker 2>wind ain't the best. It's like variable. Sometimes it's blowing

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<v Speaker 2>in his face. Sometimes he feels it blowing past him.

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<v Speaker 2>He hadn't been winded. So he's just slowly, methodically making

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<v Speaker 2>his way. And that this is an open train now,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's very slow at doing what he's doing. He

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<v Speaker 2>gets within three hundred and fifty yards of this bear,

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<v Speaker 2>and as he's doing so, he makes his shot kill shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Drops it right after he does the kill shot, though

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<v Speaker 2>he hears he said it's within moments he shot the bear.

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<v Speaker 2>It tumbled down. It was a good shot. It riled

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<v Speaker 2>around a little bit and just death throws it was done.

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<v Speaker 2>So he stands up. He feels accomplished. He's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I got I came for what I wanted. Looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a nice rug on it. I got plenty of meat.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't necessarily there as a trophy hunter. He was

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<v Speaker 2>there to get himself what he liked, which was that

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<v Speaker 2>type of bear meat. So he starts slowly making his

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<v Speaker 2>way up to it, just to make sure it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to play possiblely going to jump up and rush

413
00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:23.799
<v Speaker 2>him or anything like that. Of course, he's been around.

414
00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:28.720
<v Speaker 2>After he closed about half the distance, he starts hearing

415
00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:31.039
<v Speaker 2>this weird noise. It was the same noise he had

416
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:34.079
<v Speaker 2>heard the night before when he saw that blacked out helicopter.

417
00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.559
<v Speaker 2>He's looking around for this noise and he's not seeing

418
00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:40.400
<v Speaker 2>where it's coming from. So he's really thrown off, and

419
00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:42.279
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I just need to get my bear meat

420
00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:43.720
<v Speaker 2>and get the hell out of here. So he goes

421
00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.359
<v Speaker 2>and he guts the bear. As he's doing so, he

422
00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:50.200
<v Speaker 2>said he was so nervous he couldn't stay focused on

423
00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:53.119
<v Speaker 2>the job at hand, right, He couldn't stay focused on

424
00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.920
<v Speaker 2>what he was doing as he was sitting there. He

425
00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:59.079
<v Speaker 2>got it gutted, and he started partially taking the hide

426
00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.200
<v Speaker 2>off so he could bag the quarters into these game bags.

427
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.599
<v Speaker 2>He's got his packboard. He estimated the bear was probably

428
00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:09.799
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and seventy five pounds not dressed out, So

429
00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:12.920
<v Speaker 2>once it was dressed out, he estimated one hundred and

430
00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:17.839
<v Speaker 2>fifty hundred and seventy pounds roughly. And so he's slowly

431
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.640
<v Speaker 2>getting this meat packed onto his packboard, pack right, and

432
00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:25.880
<v Speaker 2>he's readjusting things, and he's getting things right so when

433
00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:28.519
<v Speaker 2>he loads up he can manage make his way out.

434
00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:32.039
<v Speaker 2>As he's doing, he kept getting interrupted by this strange

435
00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.359
<v Speaker 2>thought of run right. He just kept getting this thought run,

436
00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:39.599
<v Speaker 2>you gotta run now, And so it's startling him. It's

437
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:42.000
<v Speaker 2>not making him feel good. He doesn't know why he's

438
00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:44.599
<v Speaker 2>feeling that way outside of the night before thing, but

439
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.519
<v Speaker 2>he never felt like he had to just up and run,

440
00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:51.200
<v Speaker 2>especially with nothing around in the middle of the day.

441
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.200
<v Speaker 2>So he tries to calm himself down. He decides, I'm

442
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.200
<v Speaker 2>going to take a break from what I'm doing and

443
00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna make myself some instant coffee. I'm gonna sit

444
00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:03.440
<v Speaker 2>on some coffee and try to figure out what the

445
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.000
<v Speaker 2>hell is going on because he just felt all this

446
00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:11.279
<v Speaker 2>pressure a flea run go. So as he's doing so,

447
00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:13.759
<v Speaker 2>he got a cup of coffee in him. It was taste,

448
00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:16.000
<v Speaker 2>even though his instant. He really wanted some coffee, so

449
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:18.000
<v Speaker 2>he made some more. And as he's in the process

450
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.839
<v Speaker 2>of making that second cup, he notices back beyond the

451
00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:25.039
<v Speaker 2>gut pile and the black bear at the upper tree line,

452
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:28.640
<v Speaker 2>he sees movement and he's what is this And he

453
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:30.759
<v Speaker 2>takes a look and it's another bear. It was a

454
00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:33.440
<v Speaker 2>brown bear and it just was going on about its way,

455
00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:35.839
<v Speaker 2>sniffing the air and stuff, and he was like, ah shit,

456
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.920
<v Speaker 2>this bear is gonna wind my kill. It heard the

457
00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.200
<v Speaker 2>gun shot, it's coming to my gun shot. It's winded

458
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:43.160
<v Speaker 2>my kill, and it's just tracking down my bear. I'm

459
00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to fight this bear off to keep this bear.

460
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.519
<v Speaker 2>So he decides he wasn't quite done with everything he

461
00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:50.880
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do, dressing out this bear and getting on

462
00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:53.279
<v Speaker 2>the packboard, but he didn't want to fight a bear

463
00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:57.200
<v Speaker 2>for his prize. So he decides, all right, let me

464
00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:59.319
<v Speaker 2>take what I got, let me retreat back, make sure

465
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:01.200
<v Speaker 2>this brown bear the area I don't want to have

466
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:04.960
<v Speaker 2>two bears down, especially for nothing. If the bear comes in,

467
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:08.680
<v Speaker 2>he can have what I didn't get. So he's making

468
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.680
<v Speaker 2>this plan the whole time, feeling I gotta go. Something's

469
00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>not right. He watches the brown bear. It goes off.

470
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:16.920
<v Speaker 2>He had backed away from the kill a little further.

471
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.440
<v Speaker 2>The bear didn't win him. It didn't appear at all.

472
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.240
<v Speaker 2>It continued down to where he was the night before.

473
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.039
<v Speaker 2>The little higher was slowly working his way up, and

474
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.319
<v Speaker 2>it was just following the outpline tree line, the upper

475
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:30.200
<v Speaker 2>tree line going along, and he just watched it until

476
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>it was quite a distance away. He calms down, and

477
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.759
<v Speaker 2>he was just about to go and start finished dressing

478
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:39.160
<v Speaker 2>out this bear, and there wasn't much left to do

479
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:43.680
<v Speaker 2>at that point. He stands up. He grabs his knife

480
00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>kit and whatever he's trailed, his hands off again, just

481
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.519
<v Speaker 2>keeping the sight as clean as possible, To keep all

482
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.359
<v Speaker 2>the bloody could off of himself. He would take one

483
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:54.039
<v Speaker 2>of the game bags and drape it over his legs

484
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 2>so he wasn't getting blood all over his pants. And

485
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I'd removed his shirt, the long sleeve one just so

486
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:00.640
<v Speaker 2>he had a T shirt on so he could just

487
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.039
<v Speaker 2>try to cover his bases because he was alone. He

488
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:06.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to be smelling like fresh blood. So he

489
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.720
<v Speaker 2>starts this process. As he's doing so, he hears this

490
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.480
<v Speaker 2>wallering coming from the direction the bear was at right

491
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.319
<v Speaker 2>the brown bear way off in the distance. He sees

492
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.519
<v Speaker 2>this brown bear run in a half circle, crash up

493
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:23.920
<v Speaker 2>into the trees, running and then turns, comes halfway down

494
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.240
<v Speaker 2>until it's about parallel with him in elevation, and turns

495
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.440
<v Speaker 2>and bee line straight towards him. Michael said he never

496
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.680
<v Speaker 2>was scared of a charging bear ever until this point.

497
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:36.720
<v Speaker 2>And he said the reason he got scared and this

498
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>bear was at a distance still, but it's not stopped.

499
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:42.680
<v Speaker 2>It sees through Mike is going. It's go button was pushed,

500
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>so he backs out of the way. He said what

501
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.799
<v Speaker 2>scared him was the bear looked scared, and he said

502
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.599
<v Speaker 2>it was about maybe a six hundred pounds soal the

503
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:55.680
<v Speaker 2>bear looked scared, and I was like, at that distance,

504
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.880
<v Speaker 2>how could you tell? He goes. It's haunches weren't gristled up,

505
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.759
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't in a charging er kind of thing. It

506
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>was going to get out of my way kind of mode.

507
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 2>He said, he just sensed this bear was fleeing, so

508
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>he backed away, and he figured, Okay, once it gets

509
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.720
<v Speaker 2>past me, it's gonna smell my kill and then go

510
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and get on the gut pile or something. He doesn't

511
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.319
<v Speaker 2>know what spooked a bear, but he figures that's what's

512
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.920
<v Speaker 2>going to go down. He continues to back away, meanwhile

513
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.400
<v Speaker 2>dragon his stuff with him, making sure he's trying not

514
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 2>to leave anything behind. He said he left a couple

515
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.839
<v Speaker 2>of game bags that were draped over him. He immediately

516
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.880
<v Speaker 2>grabbed his hoodie and his gear and was backing away

517
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 2>because this bear was still coming and it wasn't showing

518
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 2>any signs of slowing down, and all this is happening

519
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.279
<v Speaker 2>real fast. Has taken me way more longer to explain

520
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>it to you than how it went down. So he

521
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>backs away and he gets back towards, he said, about

522
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.480
<v Speaker 2>half the distance to the lower tree line in this metal.

523
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>He squats down and he's, ah, a bear, don't come

524
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.119
<v Speaker 2>towards me. I don't, and I have two down bears.

525
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a tag for a brownie. This bear

526
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't even pay attention to him, just slum went right

527
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.759
<v Speaker 2>on past, didn't give a shit about his kill, didn't

528
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.559
<v Speaker 2>care about the fresh blood smelling air. It was gone.

529
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 2>His attention was on this brown bear running just Holland asked,

530
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 2>was the damnedest thing he ever seen. He's seen bears run,

531
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.359
<v Speaker 2>but this, how everything was transpiring was just to beyond

532
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 2>craziness to him. From the night before, the weird helicopter noise,

533
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:27.039
<v Speaker 2>just the whole thing. Once his attention stops focusing on

534
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the bear running away because it was already damn near

535
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.519
<v Speaker 2>out of sight, his attention goes back to the direction

536
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>the bear had run from, about the area he was

537
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.359
<v Speaker 2>roughly guestimaning because it was pretty dark. Once he was

538
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.240
<v Speaker 2>retreating from that upper area, he's guestimating about the same

539
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.799
<v Speaker 2>area he was. He saw that thing again. That thing

540
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 2>was standing up, was almost as tall as what he

541
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:54.880
<v Speaker 2>guestimated to be like ten foot spruce trees. Right, the

542
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:59.039
<v Speaker 2>thing was behind some will alders, some spruce trees, and

543
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 2>it was still evident that this thing was hulking behind there. Immediately,

544
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:06.599
<v Speaker 2>the fear from the night before, all the feelings he's

545
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:08.480
<v Speaker 2>been dealing with all day just came to a head

546
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.599
<v Speaker 2>and he just couldn't take it, he said. He broke down.

547
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.519
<v Speaker 2>He was sobbing. He had to go that direction. He

548
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 2>knew he had to go that direction. It's now daytime

549
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and this thing is obviously beIN scared of the daylight.

550
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.359
<v Speaker 2>So he steals himself and he goes, all right, I'm

551
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 2>just going to act like that thing ain't there, and

552
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to make my way back where I started.

553
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 2>He gets up. He said, I felt like a robot.

554
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 2>He said. Everything I was doing was just one foot

555
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>in front of the other, keeping an eye a pill

556
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 2>at this thing, bear meat on his pack. He was like,

557
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>hopefully this thing just is going to go for what

558
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I left behind me, versus mess with me on what

559
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I got with me. That's what he initially started thinking.

560
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 2>As he's getting closer, he keeps getting the feeling that, Okay,

561
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of weight in this pack and I'm

562
00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>not going to be able to maneuver like I want to.

563
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>So he stopped ups and stay tuned for more sasquatch

564
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.000
<v Speaker 2>out to sea. We'll be right back after these messages.

565
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Still keeping an eye, he drops his pack down, which

566
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.559
<v Speaker 2>isn't light. He's got all this extra weight on there

567
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:20.039
<v Speaker 2>packing that meat. So he just starts setting his game

568
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:24.359
<v Speaker 2>bags out. He unloads everything, packs everything, back in the

569
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:27.319
<v Speaker 2>whole time keeping an eye on this thing. He's hoping

570
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 2>for something to happen to break this scenario up. A

571
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:35.000
<v Speaker 2>plane fly by, something, just something that happened where this

572
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.240
<v Speaker 2>thing leaves, and he knows what direction it left so

573
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.680
<v Speaker 2>he can make a solid just go for it. Right

574
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.440
<v Speaker 2>after he's unloaded, he gets his back packed back together,

575
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.359
<v Speaker 2>slings it on in this thing. Once he gets the

576
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:51.559
<v Speaker 2>backpack on and grabs the rifle. As soon as he

577
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>grabs the rifle and checks it, this thing started swaying

578
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.759
<v Speaker 2>back and forth where it had been standing the whole time,

579
00:30:57.839 --> 00:30:59.839
<v Speaker 2>just watching him. He said he couldn't make out it

580
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:01.920
<v Speaker 2>was too far to make out facial features, but he

581
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:06.480
<v Speaker 2>felt those eyes burning a whole throm So he decides, Okay,

582
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.519
<v Speaker 2>I got a whole box of AMMO and a half

583
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 2>box of AMMO. I'm going to boister myself up and

584
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>make a show heading the hell out of here. So

585
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.160
<v Speaker 2>he gets a handful of rounds in his one hand,

586
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.640
<v Speaker 2>and as he's walking along, he'll pop a shot, start

587
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 2>screaming on chamber around poem, shoot another one, and then,

588
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 2>as he would periodically add a couple more rounds, walk

589
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>one in poem so he's making a big show, a

590
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of noise, walking not directly at it, but directly

591
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 2>out of there the easiest path he could as he's

592
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.119
<v Speaker 2>doing so every time, he said, every time he was shooting,

593
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the sing would do this number and then start the

594
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.119
<v Speaker 2>swaying faster and faster. He said, it got to a

595
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:53.079
<v Speaker 2>point to where it started making a noise, a whooping noise,

596
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 2>and ripped one of the he said it was about

597
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>eight to nine foot spruce roots and all just directly

598
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.559
<v Speaker 2>out of the ground and chucked it, not at him,

599
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.480
<v Speaker 2>just chucked it. He said. It would have been chucked

600
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>off to his right hand side up into the other

601
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.000
<v Speaker 2>trees and stuff. And this thing started making this display,

602
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 2>as he called it, loud stomping, the whooping sound. He

603
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.440
<v Speaker 2>was moving around more, staying in the same general area,

604
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>but more moving around. He felt like it was taking

605
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>what he was doing with the shooting the gun as

606
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 2>a challenge, and he was answering the challenge. So he

607
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 2>held off on shooting anymore one of conserve rounds because

608
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.519
<v Speaker 2>this thing was huge, and for two, he didn't want

609
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 2>to escalate it. He felt like crap I was trying

610
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>to be bold and all I did was escalate this

611
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.039
<v Speaker 2>thing's reaction to me. So he's trying to think it out.

612
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Instead of going the direction he was gonna go, he

613
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.880
<v Speaker 2>starts veering away a little bit, not to show any fear,

614
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>even though he was scared shitless. He wanted to create distance.

615
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Smart guy, So he's trying to think logically. He creates

616
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.519
<v Speaker 2>more and more distance. As he passes where this thing

617
00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 2>is above him, he notices it had calmed and it

618
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.920
<v Speaker 2>was squatted, and he said the distance had to have

619
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<v Speaker 2>been under two hundred yards, but he said the way

620
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.519
<v Speaker 2>it squatted down, it seemed lower than it should be

621
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 2>compared to how tall it was. He felt it shouldn't

622
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 2>be squatted so low to the ground. At then he

623
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 2>took into consideration the perception he's looking uphill. It could

624
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:21.519
<v Speaker 2>have been on a little bit of a ledge, And

625
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:23.400
<v Speaker 2>then it just looked like it was lower than it

626
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.799
<v Speaker 2>actually was. Right, So all this stuff's going on with him.

627
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Michael gets to a point to where the game trail

628
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.440
<v Speaker 2>breaks into two. The one game trail goes further down

629
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>by the river, but there's a lot more willows and

630
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>alders and stuff, a lot more dense foliage. I have

631
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 2>a harder line of sight, and then the upper one

632
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 2>was more open, and he decided to take that one.

633
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>He gets down there and he's looking. This thing is

634
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.480
<v Speaker 2>still up there, but at a distance now to where

635
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:55.079
<v Speaker 2>he felt comfortable. He wasn't all puckered up. His expression was,

636
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't have pulled a needle out of my ass

637
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.519
<v Speaker 2>with a tractor. So he's calming down a bit because

638
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>there's distance and it's daylight. Nothing outside of him escalating

639
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.760
<v Speaker 2>in his mind things that calm down, So he's just

640
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.400
<v Speaker 2>keeping it calm. As he's going down this trail, he

641
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>starts hearing this thump sound right, so he's thinking, oh,

642
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.119
<v Speaker 2>it's that weird helicopter again. He's looking around, and then

643
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>he notices it. It's running down the slope behind him

644
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.159
<v Speaker 2>into the trees that it's broken up. It's not like

645
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.320
<v Speaker 2>one unbroken set of trees, but it's on a line

646
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 2>of trees just offset from the river. So it's like, shit,

647
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.159
<v Speaker 2>this thing's coming down behind me, and so he decides

648
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Speaker 2>to pick up his pace. He starts moving faster, and

649
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.840
<v Speaker 2>he's considering, Okay, what do I do if it comes

650
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.360
<v Speaker 2>in on me. He's pre planning, how am I going

651
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.039
<v Speaker 2>to place my shots. Where am I going to shoot

652
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:48.320
<v Speaker 2>this thing? What am I going to do? He's this

653
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:52.039
<v Speaker 2>exit strategy, he's working it out. He said he was

654
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.360
<v Speaker 2>doing that because it was keeping him from freaking out.

655
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 2>He said every part of him wanted to run. I

656
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.719
<v Speaker 2>totally understand that. So he's said he got about two

657
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:04.239
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards more and there was no noise. Everything was

658
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 2>dead quiet. And he said it was the most eerie

659
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.840
<v Speaker 2>pointing in the whole thing, just because of how quiet

660
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 2>it was. There was noise when he shot the bear

661
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 2>and he was gutting and stuff, there was noises. The

662
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 2>bear coming through, there was noises, and then this happened

663
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.159
<v Speaker 2>and everything was dead quiet. So it's catching up to

664
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>him how quiet it is. So he said he got

665
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:28.840
<v Speaker 2>about two hundred yards further and he's now out in

666
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.000
<v Speaker 2>this lower meadow in the open, and he's feeling a

667
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.800
<v Speaker 2>lot more comfortable. The sense of dread is fading, still there,

668
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 2>but fading. And he said he got about another one

669
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>hundred or so seventy five yards before some more older

670
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 2>willows and stuff were kicked up in front of him

671
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.960
<v Speaker 2>along the trail pretty tight, and he didn't like that.

672
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.599
<v Speaker 2>He didn't want to feel closed in by brush. He

673
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>saw how these things move and how big it was

674
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and scary and shit he wanted he didn't want to

675
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.639
<v Speaker 2>feel cornered anymore. So he decides he's gonna leave the

676
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.960
<v Speaker 2>trail and walk along the tundra and the marsh and

677
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 2>go around the stand of trees. And from being there before,

678
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 2>he knew it wasn't overly far distance to just break

679
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 2>trail and go around the shit. He didn't want to

680
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>feel closed in by the brush, so he does so.

681
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.800
<v Speaker 2>He breaks trail the whole time, every two seconds. He

682
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.119
<v Speaker 2>said he was looking behind him, taking a good hard

683
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.679
<v Speaker 2>look at everything behind him, and he said, once he

684
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.159
<v Speaker 2>cleared that area and got back onto the trail where

685
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>it was more wide open again, he said he had

686
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.440
<v Speaker 2>to stop. And he said he sat there. He doesn't

687
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 2>know how long he sat there, sobbing and crying, him

688
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.119
<v Speaker 2>being tired, not sleeping, the trauma of what was going on,

689
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.000
<v Speaker 2>it was all catching up to him. At that point

690
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.400
<v Speaker 2>he knew he had to stop what he was doing,

691
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.960
<v Speaker 2>stop the sobbing, snap out of it, and continue moving.

692
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Before he couldn't move. He felt his body so tired

693
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 2>and achy that he knew he had to get up

694
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and go. I asked him, when you were spotting for

695
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>this thing behind you, did you see any signs of whatsoever?

696
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.440
<v Speaker 2>And he was like, no, After I saw it coming

697
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.320
<v Speaker 2>down the slope behind me making all that noise and

698
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.920
<v Speaker 2>everything was dead quiet, that's the last I saw of

699
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>it on this particular trail and stuff. So he continues on,

700
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.800
<v Speaker 2>and he knows at this one certain junction of a

701
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.760
<v Speaker 2>couple trails, he knows he's not all that far from

702
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>where he was heading to get the hell out of Dodge.

703
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:27.519
<v Speaker 2>As he's moving along, It's funny, I've had conversations with

704
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.800
<v Speaker 2>people very recently about this real heavy feeling you get

705
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>after these kind of experiences. It's like your muscle tension

706
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 2>is so high, You're adrenaline dump is so high that

707
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.440
<v Speaker 2>once you start coming down off of it, it's just

708
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>like a thousand pounds on your back. So once he

709
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.000
<v Speaker 2>started explaining this process he was going through, I knew

710
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 2>instantly what he had been dealing with. He continues on,

711
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 2>but he recognizes he's getting slower and slower, so he decides,

712
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna not stop, but I'm going to dig your

713
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 2>granola bar out start chewing on this granola bar, and

714
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:00.599
<v Speaker 2>as he took the first bite of the granola bar,

715
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>he said, his stomach got so hungry. It had been

716
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.679
<v Speaker 2>upset and he had been fighting off this hunger pain.

717
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.320
<v Speaker 2>But once he ate that piece of granola barnew he

718
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>needed a meal, you know what I mean, And he

719
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.840
<v Speaker 2>knew a meal equal to nap after and he just

720
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 2>knew he couldn't do it, so he put the granola

721
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 2>bar away. Continues on down, he said he saw caught

722
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.639
<v Speaker 2>a glimpse of it one more time at a very

723
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.679
<v Speaker 2>great distance, just as he was coming down off the

724
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 2>s knoll about to drop down further down towards where

725
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 2>he was going to eventually get picked up. He looked

726
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.760
<v Speaker 2>back up the valley a ways, and he said it

727
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:41.199
<v Speaker 2>was several little meadows away, but he saw it moving

728
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 2>up towards where he had shot the bear and where

729
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.880
<v Speaker 2>he had ended up leaving the game bags and stuff.

730
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.840
<v Speaker 2>So he felt confident that it's distracted. It wanted my meat,

731
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 2>It didn't necessarily want me. I don't know what the

732
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 2>hell's going on with this helicopter shit. So he held

733
00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.320
<v Speaker 2>onto this for quite a while. He tried to explain

734
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:01.280
<v Speaker 2>to a couple of his hunting buddies, and then they

735
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.360
<v Speaker 2>started teasing them over you eating mushrooms in the meadow

736
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:08.199
<v Speaker 2>and just making little jabs, and so he left alone.

737
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I want to thank Michael for sharing it. A lot

738
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.039
<v Speaker 2>of these stories, I leave it open ended when I

739
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.320
<v Speaker 2>say he got out of there. The reason being is

740
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to go on for a half hour

741
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 2>saying he had to wait for a skip to come

742
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:22.360
<v Speaker 2>and all that when it's not necessarily relevant to the

743
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.320
<v Speaker 2>encounter itself. So certain things I omit out of it

744
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 2>that aren't necessarily detrimental to the overall experience. I want

745
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 2>to thank Michael very much for reaching out, being patient,

746
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.679
<v Speaker 2>being willing to attempt a telephonic interview, even with the

747
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:42.039
<v Speaker 2>speech impediment he's dealing with from the stroke. I sincerely

748
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.800
<v Speaker 2>appreciate you, man. I don't thank everyone for joining us here.

749
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<v Speaker 2>We'll catch you guys on the next one. Did the.

750
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<v Speaker 1>Game in

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<v Speaker 2>The PA