Speaker 1: By the power of grades goal. I have the power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's our co host Lori Lee for hof topic
Speaker 2: here today. Isn't that great, Big he Man. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the open. That's absolutely the open Big he Man fan,
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be That's gonna be evident throughout the
Speaker 2: next however long we talk about this movie today, this
Speaker 2: movie being Masters of the Universe. He manned the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty sixth edition. Here this is off topic. Bulky's off
Speaker 2: gallivanting in Florida somewhere. Larey, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I really was a big fan back
Speaker 1: in the day. That's just I just think I was
Speaker 1: a fan of cartoons. Yeah, that was one that I watched.
Speaker 2: You did just yell the catchphrase for memory. I just
Speaker 2: watched the movie yesterday and I didn't remember what the
Speaker 2: touchbas was.
Speaker 1: All right, well, maybe it's all right, we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: But when I was when I was grilling Ben outside
Speaker 1: of the movie theater about you know, his opinions, I
Speaker 1: just you won't give me anything solid, So I'm really
Speaker 1: interested to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll get into a number of different factors here.
Speaker 2: Uh not a remake. This was just a total retelling
Speaker 2: of the story. Have you seen the Dolph Lunggren one?
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, not a big enough fan to really do that.
Speaker 2: I've heard it's a miserable experience, don't. I don't know
Speaker 2: that for a fact. I've heard it's awful.
Speaker 1: You know. I was talking to our coworker John Jordan,
Speaker 1: and he had mentioned because one of I told him
Speaker 1: one of the things I liked was a lot of Eternia,
Speaker 1: not a lot of Earth. Yeah, and the action. And
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, He's like, so it's the complete opposite
Speaker 1: of the first one. Sound like there was a ton
Speaker 1: of Earth time.
Speaker 2: Wow. Interesting, okay? And did the cartoon go to Earth?
Speaker 2: And did they not even mess with that? For some reason,
Speaker 2: they just want to make us feel invested in the character.
Speaker 1: I think that was more for one. I don't know again, badam.
Speaker 1: See well, I told you, you're like, oh, you just
Speaker 1: like the nostalgia. It's like I like the nostalga of
Speaker 1: eighty stuff. Yeah, but I think that, you know, he
Speaker 1: was placed on Earth to there was a message in
Speaker 1: that movie, just like there was a message in the
Speaker 1: New Superman. Yeah, you know, yeah, The message in Superman was,
Speaker 1: you know, don't be a dick. In The message in
Speaker 1: he Man was be yourself, be you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who you are. I think there were a lot
Speaker 2: of messages, and let's get to that first because that's
Speaker 2: our first disagreement. So the basic plot of it is
Speaker 2: without any spoilers. Of course, as per usual, you start
Speaker 2: out seeing a young he Man not doing well in
Speaker 2: his weapons training. Turns out it doesn't matter. More on
Speaker 2: that later.
Speaker 1: That's the whole message.
Speaker 2: Bro. He ends up escaping Earth when crap kind of
Speaker 2: hits the fan in what is It Hysteria? Yeah, he
Speaker 2: ends up going to Earth. He spends fifteen years Eternia. Okay,
Speaker 2: he ends up spending fifteen years on Earth before returning
Speaker 2: and then coming back to rescue his homeland. There very
Speaker 2: stereotypical hero's journey. Nothing wrong with that in the normal perspective.
Speaker 2: And I will say in terms of positive finding colorful
Speaker 2: movies in twenty twenty six is really difficult. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of like dull colors out there, like even in
Speaker 2: Marvel stuff. This was a really bright, vibrant Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a vibrant movie. I will say they definitely tried
Speaker 2: to have fun throughout the entire movie, whether or not
Speaker 2: they succeeded as in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was some jokes that fell flat, a
Speaker 1: lot of where you knew that it was a joke,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't even muster like right a pity.
Speaker 2: I was right there with you know when I'd say
Speaker 2: it was a small theater, but it was an almost
Speaker 2: completely filled theater, and there weren't there were a lot
Speaker 2: of miss jokes where the whole audience was sitting in silence.
Speaker 1: And that's what I talked to John about it too,
Speaker 1: because obviously it didn't do very well initially in the
Speaker 1: box office, but that's the most pact we've been on
Speaker 1: a cheap Tuesday, absolutely, And I know it's summer and
Speaker 1: kids around stuff, but there weren't actually a lot of
Speaker 1: kids in there. That was a lot of people our
Speaker 1: age or older. Yeah, so I think people are getting
Speaker 1: I think they're hearing that it's actually not bad, like
Speaker 1: it's just a fun ride. To me, it was a
Speaker 1: fun ride for two and a half hour, two hours
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Well, it went fast for a two hour,
Speaker 1: twenty minute movie.
Speaker 2: I disagree, you disagree. I think I think that was
Speaker 2: part of what did it for me. Maybe they just
Speaker 2: did away with the Earth scene entirely, but I actually
Speaker 2: didn't mind the Earth scene.
Speaker 1: But I think you got to have the Earth scene
Speaker 1: to I agree, I agree, but I thought it was perfect,
Speaker 1: like they spent minimal time on Earth in my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was an action packed man.
Speaker 2: I will tell you. There is a scene when he
Speaker 2: Man goes for the first encounter with Skeletor played by
Speaker 2: Darret Leto, who's probably the best part of.
Speaker 1: The movie, super animated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was the final scene. And then
Speaker 2: when I was like, oh, that was the end of
Speaker 2: the second act. Oh, man, this is a long movie.
Speaker 1: Well, because they're in the message there was a message there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they had to. I thought they did do
Speaker 1: a job with a message without beating you about the
Speaker 1: heads and shoulders about it, much like Superman did. That
Speaker 1: was a fun message.
Speaker 2: Well, and I enjoyed you and I went One of
Speaker 2: the first films we actually went to go see together
Speaker 2: was Thunderbolts, and we both liked it very similar to
Speaker 2: he Man. Not necessarily well attended like that kind of
Speaker 2: caught on after the fact, but in the moment people
Speaker 2: were like, I don't care about this cast of characters.
Speaker 2: It was a well done movie. There's a line early
Speaker 2: on in the Earth scene when he's like, just live
Speaker 2: like everybody else, live for the weekends, right, and do
Speaker 2: these things your bills, and it reminded me of Thunderbolts.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is probably hitting close to home
Speaker 2: with a lot of people right now. I was like,
Speaker 2: this might be interesting. And they never visited that theme again,
Speaker 2: and it was like, but they did, did they?
Speaker 1: Because that was the whole Like he was just like comply, like,
Speaker 1: just be like everyone else and be happy for your
Speaker 1: saturdays and pay your bills and be a functioning person
Speaker 1: in society. And but then at the end he finds
Speaker 1: out who he truly is and that's not that okay,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like he I mean there again,
Speaker 1: this is hard sometimes without spoilers, but there's a part
Speaker 1: in the movie where it's kind of like revisited towards
Speaker 1: the ends with his Earth stuff. Oh sure, and again
Speaker 1: that is kind of getting past all of those barriers
Speaker 1: and just being a normal, boring, proper human.
Speaker 2: I get that, okay, I will say, and the Bulky
Speaker 2: and I both have a role in this podcast where
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to be mad when a movie is
Speaker 2: something that isn't something that you wanted it to be.
Speaker 2: Like when you're like, oh, I thought I wish it
Speaker 2: were this instead, that doesn't count. You have to But
Speaker 2: I will say when they revisited that at the end
Speaker 2: of the movie and they make you think like, wait,
Speaker 2: is any of this really happening, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this should have been the whole movie. Like I was
Speaker 2: sitting there, I was like, I would have really liked
Speaker 2: this movie where it turns out he wasn't he man
Speaker 2: at all. He was trying to escape from a Monday resistence.
Speaker 1: But the post the post credit scene is him in
Speaker 1: a rubber room because made this all.
Speaker 2: Up with the HR woman just still being like, we
Speaker 2: need you to come back to reality for us if
Speaker 2: you're gonna do these TPS report It's like that would
Speaker 2: have been a movie where I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: this is a good movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought they did a good job with what
Speaker 1: his job was on Earth. It was so just generic
Speaker 1: as far as okay, this is what humans do. They
Speaker 1: go to work and they work in nine to five
Speaker 1: and HR harasses them. Were silly, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: it was very it was it was not specific, but
Speaker 1: I think it really still touched a lot of people, like,
Speaker 1: oh god, that's my life going to work and being
Speaker 1: harassed by hr.
Speaker 2: I bet I'm telling you the right thing.
Speaker 1: You were.
Speaker 2: You were begrudging the Earth scene between that stuff and
Speaker 2: him training with the weapons, and they're like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's different kinds of masculinity. Which I've always appreciated that message,
Speaker 2: because like I always liked like Jack Sparrow, I liked
Speaker 2: the action heroes who weren't big buff guys, who were
Speaker 2: more like witty and charming obviously, so.
Speaker 1: You pasted your life off of exactly.
Speaker 2: And so when I saw that, I was like, oh fun.
Speaker 2: And then they threw all that out the window and
Speaker 2: they're like, actually, the muscles are very important to manhood.
Speaker 2: And uh and if it weren't for the muscles, you
Speaker 2: kind of would have been useless this entire movie.
Speaker 1: How can I talk about this without this is tough?
Speaker 2: I know, I know it's a skill.
Speaker 1: Not pointlant, because I have to disagree with you there.
Speaker 1: I think that who he is underneath the he man
Speaker 1: exterior is what he had to he had to find.
Speaker 1: I mean he man is I don't want to see
Speaker 1: begrudgingly he man. But once he finds out he has powers,
Speaker 1: he doesn't.
Speaker 2: Well, he still does the hr shit even when he's
Speaker 2: he man, which I enjoyed. He's like, we're gonna have
Speaker 2: a team building exercise, and like, I enjoyed that element
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he he doesn't. I don't think he feels
Speaker 1: the need to be he man when he's he man,
Speaker 1: he still tries to be Adam. He still tries to
Speaker 1: be Adam even when he has the muscle. So I
Speaker 1: have to disagree. It's like it's an eighties cartoon. Of
Speaker 1: course it's mascul like, of course he's gonna have the
Speaker 1: big ripley muscles and the little loinclow.
Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, the outfit was on point. But I'm
Speaker 2: saying if he couldn't stop a helicopter propeller with his
Speaker 2: bare hands, he kind of was not relevant point of
Speaker 2: the plot.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't think your way out of that, you know,
Speaker 1: the ten seconds that you'd have to figure out how
Speaker 1: to stop it. I mean, do you have you done
Speaker 1: any Marvel movies and then talk about all the masculinity
Speaker 1: in there?
Speaker 2: No? But but like for every Captain America, like Tony Stark.
Speaker 2: You're not sitting there being like, oh, look at how
Speaker 2: put together he is. Like he's there like building his
Speaker 2: way out of scenarios, and there's like there's there's different
Speaker 2: characters like that. And I think a major crux of
Speaker 2: this and I'm interested in your thoughts. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm going to say this right, Nicholas gallat Zine
Speaker 2: gallant Zion.
Speaker 1: I brought notes because I'm not quite sure either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at his movies. The idea of you
Speaker 2: red white and royal blue, purple, hearts unknown. I've never
Speaker 2: heard of any of this, and I watch a lot
Speaker 2: of movies. I've never heard of any of this. I'm
Speaker 2: all for giving new actors a shot in Hollywood. I
Speaker 2: think that's a necessary step to like getting the new
Speaker 2: people out there. Wasn't particularly impressed with him. He got
Speaker 2: the great muscle, he looked the part absolutely in terms
Speaker 2: of like charisma and like and I'll be real, I
Speaker 2: think that was my problem here. And as I accidentally
Speaker 2: exd out Camilla Mendez played Tela, I thought a lot
Speaker 2: of the leads I was like, eh, eh, in terms
Speaker 2: of the performance from them.
Speaker 1: I'll agree with you. With Nicholas, I thought kind of
Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean, he's got a deadpan kind
Speaker 1: of approach, which worked at times with his regular Earth persona,
Speaker 1: I suppose, But yeah, you think that someone like once
Speaker 1: you transform into he Man, Yeah, have a little and
Speaker 1: I think towards the end he does like it comes
Speaker 1: out obviously as he becomes more comfortable with becoming he Man.
Speaker 1: But as an overall actor, I would agree that I
Speaker 1: he looked the part.
Speaker 2: He looked absolutely but absolutely.
Speaker 1: Like you said, when we get to Jared Leto like,
Speaker 1: he really stole the show. He made Skeletor just like,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad how much time Skeletor had on the screen.
Speaker 2: And I'd even argue I was gonna say it was
Speaker 2: a matter of leaving the audience wanting more, because I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I would have liked to see more
Speaker 2: of that, because again he was the most captivating and
Speaker 2: I liked watching his little skeleton mouth move and I
Speaker 2: was trying to sync it up with the other words
Speaker 2: he was saying.
Speaker 1: And without no spoilers here, but we'll let if you
Speaker 1: go see it, there are actually three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we missed one.
Speaker 1: We missed a post credit scene, yeah, which I sent
Speaker 1: to you A yeah I did, so you know, who
Speaker 1: knows what's gonna hap. It leaves it open for another
Speaker 1: Masters of the Universe movie now because it did so
Speaker 1: poorly in the theaters. Is z that could happen. I
Speaker 1: hope they'll take another chance. But yeah, there's there's definitely
Speaker 1: a storyline there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I mean this is it's so common
Speaker 2: that this stuff happens. Like the greatest example of this
Speaker 2: for me, and I didn't see it in theaters. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you're familiar with the movie John Carter.
Speaker 2: It was a Disney movie where like a guy fights
Speaker 2: Aliens on Mars, and I didn't go see it in theaters.
Speaker 2: It was one hundred and fifty million dollar movie and
Speaker 2: it was just on TNT one time, and I watched
Speaker 2: it and I sat through the entire thing with commercials,
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is the greatest action movie
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. And then I'm there googling it and
Speaker 2: I'm like, will we get a sequel? It was like,
Speaker 2: of course not, dude. None of you came, so we're
Speaker 2: not doing this. And I have a feeling this might
Speaker 2: end up meeting the same fate. But whether or not
Speaker 2: word of mouth kind of saves it. We'll see. And
Speaker 2: again I am in the minority, I think technically as
Speaker 2: far as people that were like, oh, I guess I
Speaker 2: wanted that to be a little more fun. I think
Speaker 2: seventy four percent of people in Rotten Tomatoes were like,
Speaker 2: oh no, that was that was a solid romp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just fun. It's hot. I say, let's
Speaker 1: go into a theater for two hours and cool off.
Speaker 2: And what that tree and a half closer to three
Speaker 2: County trailers?
Speaker 1: I thought the action was there for Masters Universe. I was.
Speaker 1: I walked out happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah what I saw, I think. See, but you're a
Speaker 2: you're a Marvel person in Balky and I have a
Speaker 2: catchphrase it always comes back to Marvel, and it's going
Speaker 2: to come back to Marvel here as well. I feel
Speaker 2: like they've spoiled me a little bit because it's harder
Speaker 2: for me to get as into the CGI action when
Speaker 2: I'm not like, oh, this is that character from seven
Speaker 2: movies ago that was doing things like for me to
Speaker 2: kind of reinvest in this, it has to really captivate me.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of CGI, Like I even asked
Speaker 2: you as we were walking out, like, so we're all
Speaker 2: those things like bad guys from the cartoon or are
Speaker 2: we supposed to know what those were? Because I didn't.
Speaker 2: I saw like a brown furry thing and a red
Speaker 2: faced devil. There was no I didn't ascribe anything to
Speaker 2: those people outside of like, oh look at the colors
Speaker 2: on that and like Marvel has almost spoiled me to
Speaker 2: the point where it's like, yeah, I expect X y
Speaker 2: Z to happen, you know, Yeah, now we're.
Speaker 1: Talking about the use of the CGI or the actual
Speaker 1: CGI itself.
Speaker 2: The CGI. It's so I'm not anti CGI as long
Speaker 2: like Fanos is phenomenal.
Speaker 1: It has kind of capped out, you know, oh totally.
Speaker 1: There was some There was some times during Masters of
Speaker 1: the Universe where I'm definitely just I'm enjoying myself. But
Speaker 1: then there's a few times where the CG I tried
Speaker 1: too hard and it's like, uh, like there was one
Speaker 1: part where I mean just it's part of the cartoon.
Speaker 1: Battle Cat's there, and just yeah, doing the joining up
Speaker 1: with battle Cat and going into into battle. It was
Speaker 1: a little like, Okay, I feel like maybe at some
Speaker 1: point they're like, we're spending too much money guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just get a green stream, cut it.
Speaker 1: Down to that CG down. So it is hard sometimes
Speaker 1: to fully escape when you know.
Speaker 2: And I liked a baby battle Cat more than a
Speaker 2: full grown battle Cat. I wish you would have stayed
Speaker 2: as a baby for the scene. I liked the baby version.
Speaker 1: I will say, I think it was the same thing
Speaker 1: about battle Cat as just regular cat versus when he's
Speaker 1: in battle. I mean he was also it's funny. Battle
Speaker 1: Cat was also a bit of comic relief.
Speaker 2: Agreed too. I'd say when the humor was hitting at
Speaker 2: its best is when it was parodying eighties action, like
Speaker 2: when they were walking in the smoke and they all
Speaker 2: start choking, or the belly laugh scene that actually killed me.
Speaker 2: I loved that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a joke in itself.
Speaker 2: Yes, and they actually it was like a family guy
Speaker 2: joke because they would drag it out like almost too long,
Speaker 2: but it was the exact right length to drag it out,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, where was this level of
Speaker 2: humor for the entire movie? That would have also helped
Speaker 2: it quite well.
Speaker 1: I think that would have pushed to three hours, and
Speaker 1: then you really would have been really upset about.
Speaker 2: You eliminate the boring dialogue and you put the funny
Speaker 2: shit in.
Speaker 1: There, which I have to say there and I cannot
Speaker 1: think of the scene right now. There's really only one
Speaker 1: scene where I was like, let's go. I mean, besides that,
Speaker 1: I thought it wanted a good clip. Okay, I know
Speaker 1: you said it dragg John for you, but there was
Speaker 1: only one instance where I.
Speaker 2: Was like, you, also, you got some RBF when you're
Speaker 2: watching movies. I would have guessed, just based on your
Speaker 2: demeanor during the movie. I'm like, oh, she hates this movie.
Speaker 1: No, I just have rest. I just have it's the
Speaker 1: worst and no girl wants to hear. Hey, you'd be
Speaker 1: pretty er if he smiled, And I've had that so
Speaker 1: many times.
Speaker 2: I the movie wasn't funny, so there was no reason
Speaker 2: to smile.
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, if I had, if you looked over
Speaker 1: at any time and I had a stone face, I
Speaker 1: might have been thinking, Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day.
Speaker 1: If it was some sort like there's a part where
Speaker 1: obviously the King and Queen in there, that's Adam's mom
Speaker 1: and dad, and there's some you know scenes where it's
Speaker 1: like get a little choky up as far as just
Speaker 1: the the story and the message. What it's a okay, fine,
Speaker 1: but it's not spoilers. But you said, you see young
Speaker 1: Adam in the beginning, he's a tiny guy. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just kind of dicking around with the swords and stuff,
Speaker 1: not really taking it seriously. And his dad so like yeah, basically,
Speaker 1: and then later in the movie when it becomes he man,
Speaker 1: they have another dialogue and I mean, it's it's touch.
Speaker 2: Do you know what he wanted his dad to hear
Speaker 2: him say?
Speaker 1: Was it just the catchphrase that I don't I meant
Speaker 1: to ask you that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea what I was like, Wait,
Speaker 2: what do you want to say?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't say maybe he wanted it, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure. Okay, that's the only thing I
Speaker 1: thought of.
Speaker 2: Was And for the record, plot holes in a fun
Speaker 2: action movie. I don't care, Like, I'm not a snob
Speaker 2: by any stretch of the imagination. That doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: Was that a scene that there was another scene that
Speaker 1: got cut that would have explained that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I mean, as is true with a
Speaker 2: lot of these movies, heroes, still the scene, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm a big Alison Bree person. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you were in the Community at all when it was on,
Speaker 2: but her character in that I always found hilarious. So
Speaker 2: since she was in Community, her playing Evil Limb, she
Speaker 2: I think she played that exactly how you're supposed to
Speaker 2: play that role.
Speaker 1: I mean really still was right away. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: really a branch out for she was like the one
Speaker 1: of the daughters on mad Men was Madman as well,
Speaker 1: and that was a while. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's grown.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was a part of nineteen in Community
Speaker 2: and she plays like an adderall addicted straight a student,
Speaker 2: So this was a big jump for.
Speaker 1: Yeah as well. Yeah know I was reading she enjoyed
Speaker 1: it too, you know, so, and she did a good job.
Speaker 2: She did little later than Camilla Mendez, well e.
Speaker 1: Lynn even in the eighties comics like serious but a
Speaker 1: much like skeletor Evil. Yeah, kind of a funny evil. Sure,
Speaker 1: like that was kind of who she is anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of the movie, I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: really have much of a problem with Tila. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's got a kind of Tila is a skilled warrior
Speaker 1: compared to young Adam. Yeah, she takes that stuff seriously.
Speaker 1: She's also the uh the daughter of the man at
Speaker 1: arms Duncan.
Speaker 2: Yes, Idris Elba, who great act Yeah, did a good
Speaker 2: job with the role as well, for sure.
Speaker 1: So she grew up a warrior. I think she's got
Speaker 1: to kind of have that tough exterior, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of dry humor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess, I don't know. It didn't if
Speaker 2: you asked me to rate it, I was just like
Speaker 2: I could tell she was acting.
Speaker 1: You know, I had to give one. If I had
Speaker 1: to give Nicholas an award or.
Speaker 2: A Camilla Camilla, yeah.
Speaker 1: It would be her. I think she did a better job.
Speaker 2: Acting until day and yeah, I think it's I think I.
Speaker 1: Had to give one of it. It was just one.
Speaker 2: So you want to know what I was sitting there thinking.
Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder how these two interacted when
Speaker 2: the cameras stopped rolling, because, like I always say, the
Speaker 2: best example of it for me is Dumb and Dumber,
Speaker 2: where it was so good where you almost forget that
Speaker 2: they weren't best friends in real life, and you're like,
Speaker 2: you assume when they stopped filming, they all just went
Speaker 2: into dumb shit together after the filming ended. Whereas here
Speaker 2: I was like, I feel like they couldn't wait to
Speaker 2: go their separate ways.
Speaker 1: And their own thing's going on off camera. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: could feel that. I think they're supposed to be a
Speaker 1: little bit of that like tension there. You know, they
Speaker 1: were childhood friends, I haven't seen each other in fifteen years,
Speaker 1: and then they're both hot. You know, it's like, well, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean I could see them try to play the tension,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I also give what you're saying about, you know,
Speaker 1: the chemistry on camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And did you recognize the sorceress was Deadpool's wife
Speaker 2: Marina Bacharin or however you say her name.
Speaker 1: Didn't know who that was At first. I thought it
Speaker 1: was one of the who's the ulson in who plays
Speaker 1: Scarlet way Elizabeth. I almost thought that was hurt first,
Speaker 1: before I squint um like, oh god, kind of like
Speaker 1: that she's been type cast. Yeah, but it was it. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't know who that was. I thought she did
Speaker 1: a good job. I mean, she's supposed to be kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, she's the protector of the Sword's she
Speaker 1: hangs out a cat and by the way, the gray
Speaker 1: skull we were having this conversation evil Castle. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not even a castle. It is where the sword
Speaker 1: is kept. So you know, Adam lives in Eternia. And
Speaker 1: then you have got Grayskull, which that's where the sorceress
Speaker 1: hangs out and protects the.
Speaker 2: What's the word that precedes Gray Skull.
Speaker 1: Castle Graygull? I guess, but no one really lives there,
Speaker 1: only lives there, skeletor doesn't live there. Adam doesn't.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, interesting, let's just where.
Speaker 1: The sword chills.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: I know it looks like it looks to hang out.
Speaker 2: Absolutely like not in a million years. And even like
Speaker 2: everyone who found out I was going to see it,
Speaker 2: who was a couple of years older than me, be like,
Speaker 2: oh I had the castle Gray Skull going up, and
Speaker 2: I just was sitting there. I didn't want to out myself.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why is everybody buying the villains castle? Doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense to me? Oh? Sure enough? Not the
Speaker 2: case there, But yeah, star studed cast and I think
Speaker 2: everybody did fine. The the assortment. None of them names
Speaker 2: look familiar to me. James Purefoy, I can't even say
Speaker 2: the name of goat man. I'm not going to pretend
Speaker 2: to know how to pronounce that?
Speaker 1: Was it? John Zang, who played ram Man. Has he's
Speaker 1: been in Marvel movies before as a warrior?
Speaker 2: I feel he looked familiar.
Speaker 1: He looked familiar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which one.
Speaker 1: I thought he was? Was one of the Howling Wolves
Speaker 1: or whoever it is during the John? Is it x
Speaker 1: uey John Zuzang? John? I'm sorry, I'm probably slaughtering that name,
Speaker 1: but he played ram Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that different than goat Man?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Google just stupid. Okay, that's a different character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's goat Man. Was I think
Speaker 1: that fuzzy one? You're like, has that person been in
Speaker 1: the movie before? He's a part of the universe?
Speaker 2: Okay, why is it? Oh? Here he is? Okay John
Speaker 2: zu Zang? Yeah, God, how do you even pretend to
Speaker 2: announce that. I'm looking at the filmography now, he's in
Speaker 2: The Gentleman. I'm not seeing him in. I feel like
Speaker 2: Marvel would be towards the top of the list if
Speaker 2: he were in something.
Speaker 1: It was also, I mean, the guy I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: was in like the Winter Soldier. He was one of
Speaker 1: the how howling Wolves or I can't remember whatever.
Speaker 2: The oh the guys that ran with Captain America. I thought, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know who you're talking about, isn't it played by
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, we're thoroughly off topic at this point.
Speaker 2: That's all right, No, no, no, that's why the show's called
Speaker 2: what it is. But but yeah, I know who you're
Speaker 2: talking about. But I think that's a different actor than
Speaker 2: who you're who you're referencing there. But yeah, the supporting cast. Realistically,
Speaker 2: in terms of acting, my biggest issues were the two leads,
Speaker 2: the U he Man and then Tela. I think is
Speaker 2: where left the most to be desired? Uh, special effects,
Speaker 2: A bit iffy story, you know, you know, goes all right?
Speaker 1: This guy sorry, just said wrap that up. That John
Speaker 1: he worked as a stunt performer in stunt double for
Speaker 1: the mc U okay in the movie Eternals. Okay, so,
Speaker 1: and he contributed to stunts to Doctor Strange. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that would have been screen time.
Speaker 2: Oh the guy who was helping to rehabilitate not Catherine,
Speaker 2: say what's her name? The girl of the woman that
Speaker 2: was married to why am I blanket? The guy that
Speaker 2: was rehabilitating her. I can see him being his stunt
Speaker 2: double for sure.
Speaker 1: By the way, Eternals another movie that I think was
Speaker 1: I thought was.
Speaker 2: Great, criminally underrated.
Speaker 1: I agree as well, same with Masters the Universe in
Speaker 1: my opinion, Matthew Embers twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: I will say I think it's for different reasons though,
Speaker 2: Like Eternals was almost like quasi artistic, much more so
Speaker 2: than most other Marvel operations.
Speaker 1: And even that one off is why it did so poorly,
Speaker 1: because it's like, oh, it's not a hawk smash.
Speaker 2: I think America isn't ready for artistic.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I did as well. This I think goes to the
Speaker 2: polar other end of the spectrum there. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people maybe didn't recognize the property and it
Speaker 2: ran into the buzz saw of obsession and the back rooms.
Speaker 1: Well that that obsession back rooms. But why are we
Speaker 1: still I feel like the eighties have fallen out of
Speaker 1: favor and the eighties were great. Eighties were also super
Speaker 1: hot for a while, but what are we really talking
Speaker 1: about eighties wise? Right now? Now? We got what a
Speaker 1: couple uh Fighter movies coming out that's ninety stuff.
Speaker 2: I think we've Yeah, and like, does a Transformers movie
Speaker 2: still get the same kind of publicity that it. Did
Speaker 2: you know fifteen years ago the first one came out
Speaker 2: in like oh seven or so.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also twenty years old at this point.
Speaker 2: It still looks great for a twenty year old movie.
Speaker 2: Speaking to CGI, I'd argue the first Transformers looked better
Speaker 2: than uh he Man did, cause.
Speaker 1: Who was he Man? Really? For I I think it
Speaker 1: was a good time to put it out, summertime movie,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just, oh, it's cheap, take a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: What do you see? Yeah, go see Master Universe. But like,
Speaker 1: besides that, like when they were putting this together, what
Speaker 1: was the thought process? Because you're putting a no name
Speaker 1: guy as Prince Adam, and then you have Jered Leto,
Speaker 1: who's usually box off as poison, so people, oh jerilet,
Speaker 1: but he ended up doing Really it was a good movie.
Speaker 1: It's just when you put the product out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess it's just like I saw a
Speaker 2: clip of it earlier this morning that made me want
Speaker 2: to rewatch the whole movie. But like you compare it
Speaker 2: to like when have you seen The Kingsman?
Speaker 1: No? I haven't. Oh I know the concept, Like you
Speaker 1: should check it out.
Speaker 2: I think you love it and like that to me,
Speaker 2: it was a no name actor at the time, that
Speaker 2: Egerton or however the hell you say that British guy's name,
Speaker 2: a spy movie about a comic book that none of
Speaker 2: us ever read or heard of. Yeah, And like you're
Speaker 2: sitting there and you get halfway in and you're like,
Speaker 2: is this the best action movie I've ever seen in
Speaker 2: my life ever heard?
Speaker 1: It's great?
Speaker 2: It had no business being as good as it was,
Speaker 2: and so, like I always go back to the Gi
Speaker 2: Joe movie, the first one. I was like, man, this
Speaker 2: is just stupid, fun action for two hours, and I
Speaker 2: just I don't know if I'm just getting old and cynical.
Speaker 2: This is episode forty seven of Off Topic. Maybe I've
Speaker 2: just reviewed too many movies at this point. But like
Speaker 2: I was sitting there, I'm like, this isn't pushing those
Speaker 2: dopamine buttons that those other action movies did for me.
Speaker 2: And I had no affinity for Gi Joe or Kingsman.
Speaker 2: I din't even know what Kingsman was. I didn't know
Speaker 2: who the actor was.
Speaker 1: I was I Joe push a message or not at all? See.
Speaker 1: I think that might be one of the issues, is
Speaker 1: it feels like every movie these Days has to have
Speaker 1: a message.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean every movie technically does. It's just a
Speaker 2: matter are you going to do the Avatar route where
Speaker 2: they just beat you over the right fucking head with
Speaker 2: it over and over again, or do you want to
Speaker 2: be more subtle about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's be honest. If you take out the message
Speaker 1: parts in Masters of the Universe, it's probably what ninety
Speaker 1: minutes at this point or not, like and what was
Speaker 1: it two hours? Twenty minutes? Maybe it takes it down
Speaker 1: a little in or two hours, and that's just pure entertainment.
Speaker 1: I mean they had to do the Earth scenes and
Speaker 1: some of the scenes to do the message of be yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that might be.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, slow it down to reveal the message.
Speaker 2: I maintain I didn't mind the Earth scenes. I found
Speaker 2: it to be getting a bit redundant in like the
Speaker 2: colorful battle scenes, because it was like the equivalent of
Speaker 2: I felt like every comic book movie hater who's like,
Speaker 2: all these Marvel movies are just like mashing your your
Speaker 2: your action figures together. I'm like, well, no, if you
Speaker 2: saw all the movies, understand exactly how complex the plot
Speaker 2: to endgame actually is and how well done. It is.
Speaker 2: This felt like let's shoot a bunch of colors into
Speaker 2: the sky and like watch all these cool things that's happened,
Speaker 2: and here's he Man riding the giant cat that's like green.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and like it was good moments, but like
Speaker 2: then they didn't even make it look that good to
Speaker 2: your point, And then like were you happy with the
Speaker 2: amount of battle Cat? I feel like there was a
Speaker 2: very lacking in the battle Cat.
Speaker 1: Now, there could have definitely been more battle Cat, but
Speaker 1: there's at CGI and that's probably starts to cost money.
Speaker 1: I mean much like one of the post scene credits,
Speaker 1: am I saying they're right post credits credits scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a character that you if you watch Master Universe,
Speaker 1: he man, there's a character that shows up that doesn't
Speaker 1: show up during the movie GI. Yeah, and you understand
Speaker 1: that maybe they'll have more involvement in the next movie
Speaker 1: the movie comes out, But that probably would have cost
Speaker 1: them a lot of money to do that. It was
Speaker 1: cool that they nodded to the character because it's like
Speaker 1: at one point I was like, what you know that?
Speaker 1: But they didn't have to go off everything the original cartoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, could you recognize I never read reviews
Speaker 2: for these before we do the podcast because I want
Speaker 2: everything to be our own thoughts. But like I did
Speaker 2: see a snippet were like they were like faithful people
Speaker 2: are upset with the changes to the Lord. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I couldn't have told you a single thing that should
Speaker 2: have happened differently in that movie. But I mean, again,
Speaker 2: I don't know anything. But I had no issues with that.
Speaker 2: It's a very standard story.
Speaker 1: I just think every movie, every movie producer, like the director,
Speaker 1: they're taken right, they're taking their own liberties right. No,
Speaker 1: but again not I didn't have the comics, I didn't
Speaker 1: have the action figures. I'm not a master's of the
Speaker 1: universe super fan, but I enjoyed eighties like I get
Speaker 1: up Saturday morning, get my bowl of cereal, right, Smurfs, yeah, Heathcliff,
Speaker 1: like all of those.
Speaker 2: See. By the time I was in that, it was
Speaker 2: Ninja Turtles, and then all the Marvel stuff like the
Speaker 2: awesome X Men stuff and spider Man and Batman and
Speaker 2: all that human.
Speaker 1: Had fallen out after these mess will be right back,
Speaker 1: Like that's just in my head? Is that specifically that's
Speaker 1: a Saturday morning cartoon thing?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I love that. But like, I'll be real,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you and I are gonna end up seeing
Speaker 2: Supergirl in a couple of weeks, because I know you've
Speaker 2: been excited for that. There's no doubt in my mind
Speaker 2: that's going to be three times better than what we
Speaker 2: saw yesterday. Like there is and I've even been skeptical
Speaker 2: about Supergirl, and I'm like, there's no doubt to me
Speaker 2: that I'm going to be more invested in the characters
Speaker 2: that will be brand new in telling stories that I've
Speaker 2: never seen. Like there's just something about those superhero ones
Speaker 2: that to the untrained eye, they'd be like, it's all
Speaker 2: the same, Ben, But I'm like.
Speaker 3: Nah, there's a little extra cachet in this this genre
Speaker 3: of action versus that genre, And like, I just think
Speaker 3: it needed to do more to separate itself, and it's
Speaker 3: just kind of fell into In two weeks, I'll be like, wait,
Speaker 3: what happened in that in that movie?
Speaker 1: Again, I think a lot of it has to do
Speaker 1: with how you walk into the movie. I walked into
Speaker 1: Masters of the Universe with zero expectation, yeah, and I
Speaker 1: was like that was fun. I'm gonna walk into Supergirl
Speaker 1: with an expectation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of it being a certain level of especially James
Speaker 2: Gunns involved, Like we got all the good stuff there.
Speaker 2: I only even Balky always knows like the ins and outs.
Speaker 2: I don't know who directed this movie. Talk for a second,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at it up right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that might have been one of the
Speaker 1: Like you and I talked just briefly after the movie
Speaker 1: before heading on our separate ways, and I just kind
Speaker 1: of got the feeling from what you were saying to
Speaker 1: me just briefly, is that you went in setting an
Speaker 1: expectation for the Masters of the Universe movie that it
Speaker 1: didn't end up meeting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I was done on.
Speaker 2: Popcorn Flick, it's not like I was expecting Citizen Kane.
Speaker 2: I was expecting, like G I Joe is what I
Speaker 2: was expecting. I was expecting the first like.
Speaker 1: G I Joe with a message. Yeah, I mean there
Speaker 1: was plenty action. There was plenty action in Masters of
Speaker 1: the Universe.
Speaker 2: Ironically enough, he did the Bumblebee movie. Travis Knight is
Speaker 2: who is the director of this. He did Bumblebee in
Speaker 2: a Bunch of Stuff para Norman, which I didn't watch,
Speaker 2: but that was after the fact.
Speaker 1: And then Bumblebee.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know if I think I had checked
Speaker 2: out of the Transformers universe by that point. But Kubo
Speaker 2: and the Two Strings, which came out in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: is actually his most recognized movie. Never heard of that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: never heard of that one. But yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: if we're going to see more from this guy or not.
Speaker 2: We've kind of been highlighting financially, this has been a
Speaker 2: bit of a bust.
Speaker 1: But I think I mean, is that at that point
Speaker 1: where the investors go in and Okay, it didn't do
Speaker 1: well in the theater, but post mortem people actually did enjoy.
Speaker 1: You know, it might become one of those movies that
Speaker 1: people end up liking after the fact. Do we do
Speaker 1: we do another one? And we just marketed a different
Speaker 1: like where was the breakdown?
Speaker 2: Well, you know what's interesting? And like I wonder because
Speaker 2: I always say it on my radio show, and like,
Speaker 2: the suits don't know how to make good movies. They
Speaker 2: know how to make money, and so they're not necessarily
Speaker 2: they don't necessarily care if the movie they're good. I
Speaker 2: can picture the higher ups being like, okay, let's release
Speaker 2: this in early June because we got super Brooke Girl here,
Speaker 2: we got Spider Man here, we have the Odyssey here,
Speaker 2: Let's avoid all of that and just come out before it.
Speaker 1: And then it turns out summertime flick absolutely, But.
Speaker 2: Then a one million dollar budget horror movie comes out,
Speaker 2: takes the world by storm, and uh, it turns out
Speaker 2: completely cannibalizes your box office and ways it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's a chance that Supergirl bus I doubt Spider Man will,
Speaker 2: but there's a chance to like one of these other
Speaker 2: actions or Odyssey.
Speaker 1: Suck suck, I don't. I actually enjoyed Masters of the
Speaker 1: Universe more than I did back Rooms. I enjoyed the
Speaker 1: idea of background. I enjoyed the idea. I enjoy the
Speaker 1: video game I enjoy I enjoy back Rooms. It's hard
Speaker 1: to turn that into a movie. Yeah, I enjoy like
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I enjoyed Masters of the Universe more,
Speaker 1: I think just because of the action. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think that, I mean, what was I can't remember now
Speaker 1: the exact numbers, but they were like Backrooms. It was
Speaker 1: like sixty percent of the people I saw Backrooms were
Speaker 1: under the age of forty, So I think it was
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's creepy pasta. It's out there on
Speaker 1: the internet. It like started on four Chan. You just
Speaker 1: have this. Yeah, you know, people know of it, so
Speaker 1: let's go see it. And a lot of people under
Speaker 1: the age of forty really know.
Speaker 2: He man, right, yeah, if you we saw you even commented,
Speaker 2: you were like, why are these eight year olds coming
Speaker 2: to a PG thirteen movie? And I was like, nark.
Speaker 1: But oh if one of them had started making noise,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I would have probably uh killed another one
Speaker 1: of your rules, your unspoken rules. I would have gotten security. Sorry,
Speaker 1: oh god, get a babysitter.
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Yeah, you usould try going to the
Speaker 2: movie theaters in the city where I grew up and
Speaker 2: tell me what it's like the movie.
Speaker 1: That's why I go to the two like, especially during
Speaker 1: when school's in session. It's great Tuesday. Cheap movies are great.
Speaker 1: One there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can get behind that. And there's a but
Speaker 2: I will say, the only people they're not going there
Speaker 2: on their own that was mom or dad loved. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he man, And we're gonna take you to see the
Speaker 2: thing that we loved.
Speaker 1: I could see. Yeah, I think it's fine. If a
Speaker 1: kid at the age of eight saw it, I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe Skeletor was a little scary. I think at
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think my niece is a nephew, like
Speaker 1: my niece is ten, and I I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's fine, you do you do you.
Speaker 2: Just oh yeah, I'm always taking them back because I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, and I talk about it all the time
Speaker 2: in this podcast, But I was brought up a very
Speaker 2: strange way where I was watching stuff when I was
Speaker 2: six that, like people when they were sick. I watched you,
Speaker 2: I watched people jump in he man, something happened that
Speaker 2: was a bit of a jump scare. I don't even
Speaker 2: remember what it was, but there was a moment and
Speaker 2: I actually saw people jump oh because like one of
Speaker 2: the cgi things pomped up, and I'm like, softcha. But
Speaker 2: I mean I have friends that have kids, like we
Speaker 2: can't watch Little Mermaid with the three year old in
Speaker 2: the room because Ursula is too scared. I'm like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: this kid's doomed.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be on. I was a bit of
Speaker 1: a sheltered kid too, so yeah, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's why I look at but it's completely finn.
Speaker 2: I was watching, like, do you ever look at the
Speaker 2: Sam Raimi Doctor Strange movie, the sequel, and I was
Speaker 2: sitting there and I'm like, I want to bet there's
Speaker 2: a lot of twelve year olds that hated this movie
Speaker 2: because there were some moments that go really creepy that
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it quite a bit. But like I that's
Speaker 2: you talk about eternals. That for me is the underrated
Speaker 2: gem of Phase four and five. I don't know why
Speaker 2: that movie gets as much hate as it does because
Speaker 2: I freaking loved it. Yeah, but like that's one of
Speaker 2: those ones. But like we watched these eight year olds,
Speaker 2: no chance in hell they were asking to see he man,
Speaker 2: that was that. We have a coworker PJ Who's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I took my kids to see it, couldn't wait. Like
Speaker 2: that's who it is. That's nice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that's the same as like busting
Speaker 1: busting open the uh Mario Kart, not letting your kids win.
Speaker 1: But Mario Kart was your jam growing up, and now
Speaker 1: your kids are also gonna enjoy it. You're never gonna
Speaker 1: let the win, but they will enjoy it, right, And.
Speaker 2: There's only but like to be fair, that only works
Speaker 2: in so many ways, like go show your kid, like
Speaker 2: an actual on the N sixty four controller Goal Night
Speaker 2: and see how much they want to play that game.
Speaker 1: Relative you know, I don't know what I was so
Speaker 1: good at Gold Night. I don't know why that didn't
Speaker 1: transfer over to Call of Duty. I was terrible at
Speaker 1: Call of Duty. I don't know if it was just
Speaker 1: the different controllers or what, but I was great.
Speaker 2: You're using the freaking see buttons to move instead of
Speaker 2: a second joystick, Like, go and try and do that.
Speaker 2: Now you're like, this is an Arabic Why did we
Speaker 2: like this so much?
Speaker 1: They start sound old right now? Yeah? The controller I
Speaker 1: have for my uh my Nintendo switch has got like
Speaker 1: buttons on buttons, and I'm pressing them inadvertently sometimes, like
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't just do something. Yeah, there's so
Speaker 1: many buttons on this controller.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's buttons underneath. What does this do? Yeah,
Speaker 2: they did yourself a little, but I mean I feel that.
Speaker 1: I feel that I grew up with with a up, down, left, right,
Speaker 1: And maybe that's it.
Speaker 2: You all you need. That's all you need for the
Speaker 2: economy code. You just did the Konomy code for everybody?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, that's who this movie was for. Is
Speaker 2: to get off your get off my people.
Speaker 1: Maybe, and maybe that's why the cheap ticket Tuesdays. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's why it's filled up. It's like, Okay, they weren't
Speaker 1: willing to go see it when it came out the
Speaker 1: first weekend because it got bad reviews from the critics,
Speaker 1: and then once people started to see it got it's
Speaker 1: got a good Rotten Tomato score.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's decent, and anyone listening to critics in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six is lost at this point.
Speaker 1: But also, okay, not just the critics, but let's be honest,
Speaker 1: Jared Jared Leto does carry a stigma with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you almost are too too pro Jared Leto in.
Speaker 1: My opinion, because I think that he gets too much crap.
Speaker 1: I think he's been putting some bad movies. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he was great at joker. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he was better than other jokers. I thought
Speaker 1: he was jo good. I thought he was good at
Speaker 1: his joker. I enjoyed his joker, and I thought you
Speaker 1: could see that in his skeletor there.
Speaker 2: Was And I'm glad you brought that up because I
Speaker 2: did want to mention this. I wanted your thoughts on
Speaker 2: the fact, because he even said at one point he
Speaker 2: basically just talks about being bad for bad sake, And
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that's some Joker shit, and like
Speaker 2: Joker can get away with that because he's been a
Speaker 2: villain for a hundred years. But like in the contemporary
Speaker 2: environment where forty percent of people walked out of Infinity War, Like, honestly,
Speaker 2: Thanos made a lot of good points, and I really
Speaker 2: don't think Caddy, he's that bad of a dude.
Speaker 1: Is he really bad?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, I don't know how Well, for nostalgia purposes,
Speaker 2: it was kind of nice to see a cartoonishly bad
Speaker 2: villain exclusively for the reason that he is the villain,
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know, maybe that is part of
Speaker 2: what bothered me as well, And maybe that's how Marvel's
Speaker 2: kind of poisoned the well.
Speaker 1: Is like did you want him to have a message too?
Speaker 1: Like I had a messed up childhood, That's why I'm skeleton.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't need fifteen minutes of it. But like,
Speaker 2: even like you could tell the story in the story,
Speaker 2: like Loki, you don't learn about what life was like
Speaker 2: before he was adopted. You just kind of pick up
Speaker 2: on the fact that like, yeah, he's a bit bent
Speaker 2: out of shape until he doesn't fit in with a
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff, and that's bred a lot of
Speaker 2: resentment and trickster like attitudes, and like you get where
Speaker 2: that comes from. Fano's same thing, Like that's why the
Speaker 2: other Thor movie, The Dark Elf shows up. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to merge all the universes. Why huh. It
Speaker 2: feels like the right thing to do in this moment.
Speaker 2: Everyone hates Thore the Dark World. Yeah, And so that
Speaker 2: kind of felt like Jared Leto was captivating. It was
Speaker 2: a lot of charisma, but the actual character was just.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't mind. I didn't mind that he was
Speaker 1: being bad for bad sake. I don't think we have
Speaker 1: to find common ground with every character that comes across
Speaker 1: our you know, our screen. Just like in Thunderbolts, like
Speaker 1: that was the whole thing. Century is good but he's bad,
Speaker 1: but he's good. Yeah, and they explain why, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I relate, Like we all relate. We also related with Lena's.
Speaker 2: Stories and which movie was better?
Speaker 1: Oh, I enjoyed Thunderbolts. I enjoyed I Yes, I'd put
Speaker 1: Thunderbolts above Masters of the Universe. But I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: think we have to relate to Skeletor to I didn't
Speaker 1: have to relate to him. I didn't need him to
Speaker 1: have a bad childhood or his dad went to go
Speaker 1: get milk and never came back. Like he's just bad
Speaker 1: because he's Skelly's I'm a bad guy. I'm Skeletor. I
Speaker 1: got a skeleton face.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they actually said exactly that at one
Speaker 2: point the bad guy has the skeleton for I have to.
Speaker 1: Sit there and be like, oh, I really know where
Speaker 1: he's coming from. Nice, it's a bad dude. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: we the whole like someone does something bad in this world,
Speaker 1: well mental health issue, Like it's always something like are
Speaker 1: we just saying that there's just no bad people and
Speaker 1: it's always something else? No, there are inherently bad people.
Speaker 1: Skeletor is one of them. Yeah, he's a funny bad person,
Speaker 1: but he's a bad person.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See Joker gets away with that. I kind of
Speaker 2: like that because that's part of the randomness of his character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Joker, I mean, that's why One of
Speaker 1: the thoughts is is that they made the second one
Speaker 1: so crappy because they thought too many people associated with Joker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so they're like, we gotta turn this around.
Speaker 2: Talking about the uh joking Penix Joker is what we're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Sorry, not Jared Letto's, but like.
Speaker 2: Or any jokers random. Yeah, you know, like we don't
Speaker 2: know why he was doing any of that.
Speaker 1: He was just doing it, which superior joker in my pin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, but like and like that works, I
Speaker 2: don't know that it works with that Joker. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: he is that random, and I truly think he is
Speaker 2: just and even that you can read shit online that
Speaker 2: there are theories that he was supposed to be in
Speaker 2: the third one and it was going to turn out
Speaker 2: that he was a war on terror vet and he
Speaker 2: was scarred, and.
Speaker 1: There's like, I don't think it's necessary.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of evidence to back set up. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, we'll never know. But I kind of
Speaker 2: like the randomness of that skeletor. I was like, this
Speaker 2: feels lazy. This just feels like a guy is doing
Speaker 2: messed up stuff to do messed up stuff.
Speaker 1: But I think that the fact that he's just a
Speaker 1: bad guy for being a bad guy, the juxtaposition on
Speaker 1: how he man found himself. Yeah, I he man's a
Speaker 1: good dude, but he doesn't need the muscles to be
Speaker 1: a good dude. But he needs the muscle like he
Speaker 1: gets the musk. Yeah, he doesn't necessarily need the muscles. Yes,
Speaker 1: he does to like punch people, but he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to necessarily punch people. So he's an inherently good guy.
Speaker 1: And here's why I don't need to be like here,
Speaker 1: this guy's a bad guy. And here's why. Like, he's
Speaker 1: just a bad guy, and that makes the good guy.
Speaker 1: I think that that make his story even better. He's
Speaker 1: just bad for the sake of being bad. This is
Speaker 1: why I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's an episode of Rick and Morty
Speaker 2: where they're stuck in the elevator and Jerry's wearing hul
Speaker 2: cans and he's punching the buttons trying to make them work,
Speaker 2: and someone says, Jerry, muscles don't make you strong, and
Speaker 2: he looks up and goes, I know, friends make you strong.
Speaker 2: I saw the same musical you did. That's you.
Speaker 1: I love a good Rick and Morty reference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, well I didn't know if you intentionally made it.
Speaker 2: But you're like, yeah, he wasn't strong just because of
Speaker 2: his muscles. He was strong.
Speaker 1: People go see Masters of the Universal. Under stand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you've come to know my personality in
Speaker 2: this and for the record, you're filling in for Bulky
Speaker 2: superbly because he's always like the dash of happiness to
Speaker 2: my Uh.
Speaker 1: If I didn't like Master the Universe, I would talk
Speaker 1: about I know you would.
Speaker 2: I know you would. Yeah you did, hear it. You're
Speaker 2: easy to please. That's a good trait to have. That's
Speaker 2: a good joke.
Speaker 1: I can recognize a fun summer movie when there's one
Speaker 1: put in front of me. I don't need to pick
Speaker 1: it apart like a vulture.
Speaker 2: Here's what you need to do is go watch the
Speaker 2: first Kingsman and then come back and you'll be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so I get why you were like the get and
Speaker 2: I wasn't offended. For the record, we have seen and
Speaker 2: rated several worse movies than He Man. For the purposes
Speaker 2: of this podcast, is.
Speaker 1: What was your worst one?
Speaker 2: By the way, Probably it was either Megan two point
Speaker 2: zero because you talk about expectations. I loved the first
Speaker 2: Megan movie, so that one sucked. Undertone was like the
Speaker 2: highest rated horror movie of twenty six was the worst. Okay,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it was so bad. It was too
Speaker 2: high level and I'm I'm like a Cretan when it
Speaker 2: comes to that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You just like jump scares.
Speaker 2: Not you like again, there can be like Obsession had
Speaker 2: a message, but like there needs to be Undertone was
Speaker 2: just like an hour and a half of a woman
Speaker 2: doing a podcast and be like did you hear that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm like, oh my god, what.
Speaker 2: Am I watching right now? But people loved it because
Speaker 2: we're all simple, I guess. But there's there's a couple,
Speaker 2: if I thought about it, The Bride with Maggie Gillenhall
Speaker 2: and Christian Bale. It was like a contemporary take on
Speaker 2: Bride of Frankenstein, complete with So there were a couple
Speaker 2: that that I didn't like more than this. But this
Speaker 2: is definitely on the bottom half of the movies.
Speaker 1: That I've agreed to you. I think that the guy
Speaker 1: who played Prince Adam could have been a bit of
Speaker 1: a better actor. I think some of the jokes fell short.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but overall, to be real, I'm not saying I
Speaker 2: wanted it to be Thor, but if it were Thor,
Speaker 2: it would have been better. Chris Hemsworth. I mean, like
Speaker 2: you think if.
Speaker 1: The person who directed Thor the original Thor, I can't
Speaker 1: remember their name, do you think if they had directed
Speaker 1: this he Man, it would have been better?
Speaker 2: I think the I think if Tyko Watiti did this
Speaker 2: he Man, the guy who did Thor Ragnarok, I think
Speaker 2: that would have been better. The first and second Thor
Speaker 2: kind of were boring. This shit if you really think
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Dark World wasn't great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they looked good. Apparently that dude's like very it's
Speaker 2: Dutch angles like apparently if you rewatch it, you'll notice that,
Speaker 2: like almost the entire movies filmed it like a diagonal angle,
Speaker 2: which is like how this guy does things. Like it's
Speaker 2: very artistic. But again, undertone sucked and get your Dutch
Speaker 2: angles out of here. Give me a good movie, that's
Speaker 2: all I'm looking for you. So we do ratings out
Speaker 2: of ten, I'm gonna go four and a half. Really yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: which for me, just to give you an idea, A
Speaker 2: six means if I had been watching it on Netflix
Speaker 2: or something, I would have watched it from beginning to end,
Speaker 2: not pulled my phone out and started scrolling while I
Speaker 2: was watching it. That's what a six out of ten is.
Speaker 2: That's how I frame it for people. And then anything
Speaker 2: above that I just thoroughly enjoyed. If I'm saying right.
Speaker 1: Now, I do point five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just said four point five.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry you did it? Wasn't even listening, really paying attention.
Speaker 1: I can tell what are we talking about again?
Speaker 2: How much you disliked tea Man?
Speaker 1: Well, no, I was gonna go seven. But I think
Speaker 1: that there was a point or two where I felt
Speaker 1: my phone vibrate and I would have checked I don't
Speaker 1: you check yours? In the movie theater we got? You
Speaker 1: think I've got poor etiquette?
Speaker 2: You want to know what I was doing?
Speaker 1: You think I got poor etiquette?
Speaker 2: You want to know what I was doing checking the
Speaker 2: time because I was like, boy, this is Dragon.
Speaker 1: Well, don't check the time, dragon. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: go six point five because there there would have been
Speaker 1: a time if I was watching it on TV, I
Speaker 1: might have whipped my phone out. But what would happen
Speaker 1: was I would have whipped my phone out that I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh shoot, I miss something, and then I would have
Speaker 1: had to remind it. So, uh, six point five to seven. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe a six point eight if we're going there, like
Speaker 1: I want to make it a seven, but okay, you know, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll go six point five.
Speaker 2: All right. Again, it is a fun block It's at
Speaker 2: least a blockbuster. I don't know if i'd call it fun,
Speaker 2: but it's at.
Speaker 1: Least a b oh no, And that's I would say
Speaker 1: it's fun. It's not a blockbuster. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: a fun movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we'll see if they get a sequel or not.
Speaker 2: No idea, but that's our thoughts.
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say if they do, if you do,
Speaker 1: go see Master Universe three post post scenes. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: only saw them two. Yeah, and just because if you're
Speaker 1: if we're talking about a sequel, you out of the three,
Speaker 1: and I think it would know basically be like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's sequel material a.
Speaker 2: Lot of bait. Although something tells me it's going to
Speaker 2: be like the end end credits scenes to the Eternals
Speaker 2: and that they're never going to come to Fruition. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So add an extra fifteen minutes to the already just
Speaker 2: extravagant run time and check out those post credits scenes.
Speaker 2: That's our thoughts on he Man. Do you have any
Speaker 2: Did you get into the Scary Movie franchise at all
Speaker 2: when it was when it was og?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I didn't get into the franchise.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you like the first one?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It was fun?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I mean obviously because I grew up on
Speaker 2: Scream and all that, I was like, oh, I get
Speaker 2: every reference to in this movie, and this is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think at some point I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is too wacky. But then I also really enjoyed
Speaker 1: Naked Gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We saw the the reboot of that and that
Speaker 2: was that was a blast.
Speaker 1: But again, I think it's the mentality, like how you
Speaker 1: go into a movie, Like we went into the remake
Speaker 1: of The Naked Gun and I'm like, this is supposed
Speaker 1: to be like this.
Speaker 3: And it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we both said like, if it
Speaker 2: had been five minutes longer, we would have been like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, okay, Red because it's only like an
Speaker 2: eighty minute movie. It's the shortst movie I've ever seen
Speaker 2: in theaters. It is fun, it's the perfect length. Scary
Speaker 2: movies getting mixed reviews. Balky and I are doing that.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I hope Balky goes back and listens
Speaker 2: to this, because like he's big on. I was like, dude,
Speaker 2: we could see the new Spielberg movie. He's like, I
Speaker 2: really want to do scary movie. And I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: good enough for me. That the Disclosure Day and like
Speaker 2: event like because Supergirl comes out after that, it looks
Speaker 2: like Disclosure Day isn't gonna happen because obviously superhero movies
Speaker 2: take the cake on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Disclosure Day seems like one of those ones where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like I'm gonna go on and
Speaker 1: get really displayed. It seems like a clover field, you know,
Speaker 1: like where you want to see a bunch of action,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it doesn't ever really happen. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: afraid of.
Speaker 2: I feel like that one is like the same length
Speaker 2: as He Man, but there's no colors and no nothing
Speaker 2: going on. It's just a lot of dialogue. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: which I'll feel. I will admit that, like it did
Speaker 2: Dragon Times within like two and a half hours almost
Speaker 2: is a long time for a movie. Disclosure Days feels
Speaker 2: like that would be a long movie and I would
Speaker 2: feel the length of it, So we're not doing that.
Speaker 2: We're gonna try scary movie out. We're gonna see if
Speaker 2: they can bring that early two thousands humor into twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six. Two guys that don't offend easy. But like
Speaker 2: I said, Naked Gun did it in a way that
Speaker 2: we left the entire time, So we'll see if they
Speaker 2: can kind of emulate that. Here. Only one way to
Speaker 2: find out though. Thanks for pinch it. And you can
Speaker 2: catch Laura Lee five to nine on apl and then
Speaker 2: you just turn that station off, pop on over to
Speaker 2: Hby after that.
Speaker 1: He hasn't say that's five am to nine am. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: do that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got single actually gonna be there tonight.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: But yep, I do that occasionally on the weekdays as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's Laura Lee and she pinched its when
Speaker 2: Bulky is no good.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks for inviting me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no worries. Thanks for putting up with my
Speaker 2: cynical ass. Like we're literally walking out of the theater
Speaker 2: and I'm being chastised for not being That was the.
Speaker 1: Greatest kind of wish. I kind of wish that Toys
Speaker 1: Russ is still around. Go get myself a sword. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I have the power.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had one of those, and it would glow
Speaker 2: when you held it up, and it probably looked cooler
Speaker 2: than the one in the movie. All Right, that does
Speaker 2: it for this. We'll talk to you guys next week.