WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:06.080 Full trial audio everything hurting court no silences to skip. 2 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:07.240 Hi. 3 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:10.240 Good morning, Council, Hi, co morning, Miss Clancy. 4 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:12.160 Are we ready for the jury? 5 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:14.800 All right? 6 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:29.359 Hey, hey, William Sivan, you shall be heard. 7 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:35.640 Massachusetts. Good morning, You're on. 8 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:37.320 You're on it. 9 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:39.399 Before the court today we have the continuation of the 10 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:42.560 jury trial in the matter of Commonwealth versus Lindsay Clancy. 11 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.320 Miss Clancy is present. She is represented by Attorney Kevin Reddington. 12 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:50.159 The Commonwealth is represented by Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprague 13 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:52.560 and Assistant District Attorney Shannon Buckingham. 14 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:56.159 All right, well, good morning everyone. 15 00:00:56.479 --> 00:01:00.159 I hope everybody had a nice, RESTful evening last night. 16 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:03.079 Thank you for your patience with us. What I'm going 17 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:04.959 to do is just we're going to ask you those questions. 18 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:06.079 Make sure everybody was. 19 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.959 Able to follow my instructions. They're going to go over 20 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:12.760 briefly our schedule for today, in the schedule for tomorrow. 21 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:15.560 All right, So the first let me get to those questions. 22 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.200 The first question, is any member of the jury red 23 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:21.719 scene or heard anything from any source that would affect 24 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:24.359 your ability to be fear and impartial in this case? 25 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:25.480 All right? 26 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:28.760 Next question, is there any other serious matter concern bearing 27 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:31.040 on your service is a juror in this case that 28 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:32.480 anybody needs to bring. 29 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:33.640 My attention at this time. 30 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.439 All right, good, thank you for following those instructions now 31 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:41.400 in regards to our schedule today, to anticipate it, as 32 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:45.120 you know, in these cases sometimes the best laid plans, 33 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:50.120 but it's anticipated that we'll go this morning to about 34 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:52.920 eleven o'clock, we'll take a break out eleven, we'll come back. 35 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:54.640 We'll take our. 36 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.439 After a break at one o'clock, and we'll go into 37 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:01.799 the afternoon, you know, somewhere between three and four. 38 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:03.079 All right, So that's. 39 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:07.359 Today's schedule, tomorrow's schedule as best we can tell. 40 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:11.360 We're gonna do that view sometime probably in the morning. 41 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:14.240 We're gonna go to a couple of spots that I 42 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:15.840 have been mentioned in the testimony. 43 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:18.000 Like I said, we'll go over a little. 44 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:19.960 Bit more tomorrow, but you'll be getting out of it. 45 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.560 We're all going together in a bus with the court officers, 46 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.120 the staff attorneys, myself, and we're gonna get out of 47 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.159 the bus. So you know, that's just a word for 48 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:33.479 the wise, for the footwear, and to double check the weather. 49 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:35.520 I'll go into that a little bit more, probably by 50 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:36.479 the end of the day. 51 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:38.919 But I just in case I forget, I just that's 52 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:40.919 what we're gonna do. And then the thought would be 53 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.159 after that we'll come back. We'll probably go again until 54 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.159 sometime round in between three and four. Okay, So that's 55 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:50.199 the schedule, and then at the end of the day 56 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.680 tomorrow all the dress kind of where we are in 57 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:55.960 regards to the timeline and this kind of overall schedule, 58 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:58.560 just so you have some kind of idea where we are. 59 00:02:58.680 --> 00:02:59.039 All right. 60 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:02.520 So with that, I'm gonna we're going to return to 61 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:04.800 the case on a trial call. 62 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.680 Molts are presenting its evidence. Three Sprague, Thank you, honor. 63 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:10.840 Kamala calls Officer Stephen Hall. 64 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.280 All right, good morning, morning, all right, so we're going 65 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:19.360 to ask keep your voice up soe I can hear 66 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.080 you and with the tree Sprague, thank you, honor. 67 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:26.159 Good morning. Can you please can you please stay and 68 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:27.280 spell your name for the record. 69 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:31.439 My name is Stephen Hall c E pH e onha 70 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:34.960 L and your day of birth three twenty six, nineteen 71 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.800 eighty three. Where do you work work at the Duxbury 72 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:38.520 Police Department. 73 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.479 How long have you been a Duxbury Police officer. 74 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:45.479 Since twenty fifteen, so roughly eleven years. 75 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.000 I want to direct your attention to January twenty fourth, 76 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.479 twenty twenty three. Were you working that day? 77 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:53.039 I was What shift? 78 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:55.080 Were you working the four to midnight? 79 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:57.080 And would that be four pm to midnight? 80 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:57.639 Yes? 81 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.520 And were you in unifor yes? Were you in a 82 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:02.199 marked cruiser? 83 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:02.759 Yes? 84 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:04.919 And were you on patrol? 85 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:05.639 Yes? 86 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:09.599 And being on patrol, were you alone or with a partner? 87 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:10.840 I was alone. 88 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:16.920 Further directing your attention to approximately six eleven pm at 89 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.720 that time, did you receive a dispatch to go to 90 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:21.480 forty seven Summer Street in Duxbury? 91 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:21.959 I did? 92 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.439 And do you recall approximately where you were when you 93 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:26.519 received that dispatch? 94 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:29.439 I was at the Lincoln Street Fields in Duxbury. 95 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:31.399 And so how long did it take you to get 96 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:33.560 from there to forty seven Summer Street. 97 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.720 Seven to ten minutes? 98 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:40.120 And did you go to forty Summer Street? 99 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:40.480 Yes? 100 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:43.079 And what did you see when you arrived there? 101 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:47.600 When I arrived, it was just a house. There was 102 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:49.639 a gate open on the left side of the house. 103 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:55.639 Show you a few exhibits that have marked Exhibit thirty two, 104 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:03.160 Exhibit thirty three. Is this the house you responded to 105 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.000 yes and showing you exhibit thirty four. 106 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:10.240 Is that the left side of the house? 107 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:10.800 It is? 108 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:14.560 And Exhibit thirty five is the gate that you went in. 109 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.040 Depicted in this exhibit. 110 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:24.319 Is first officer I arrived simultaneously with Officer Josephine and 111 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:25.079 he is he. 112 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.720 Also an officer with Duxbury Police. 113 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:28.160 Yes? 114 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.480 And so did you both head to that same direction 115 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:32.959 or did you go in different directions? 116 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.680 We both went to the backyard as we were dispatched too. 117 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:39.759 And you said you went to the left correct. 118 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:44.079 Yes, we heard where a male voice calling for. 119 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:46.360 Us on the left side, and that's where you headed. 120 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:46.759 Yes. 121 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:50.120 And did you encounter a mail in the backyard? 122 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:50.519 Yes? 123 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:53.000 And did you later learn his name was Patrick Clancy? 124 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:53.439 I did? 125 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:54.800 What was his demeanor? 126 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.839 He was upset. You didn't know what was going on? 127 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:02.920 So and did you see anyone else in the backyard? 128 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:05.839 Did you see anyone on the ground? 129 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:06.399 Yes? 130 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:08.040 And who was on the ground? 131 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:09.120 Ms? Clancy? 132 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:10.839 Is that Lindsay Clancy? 133 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:11.160 Yes? 134 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:12.800 And do you see her in the courtroom today? 135 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:13.199 I do? 136 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:18.639 Could you point to her red reflect the witness says 137 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:19.680 identified and different? 138 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:22.360 Thank you? Where was she positioned? 139 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:25.879 She was on the ground on if you were looking 140 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:29.000 at the backyard on the right side, showing you. 141 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:29.800 What's been previous. 142 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:35.319 Marka's the exhibit thirty eight. Is this the back of 143 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:35.759 the house? 144 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.759 It is, and showing you what's been wire than the 145 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:44.079 exhibit seven. Do you see the area where the defendant 146 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.120 was when you entered the backyard? 147 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.519 Yes, I'd staying up of the. 148 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:50.560 Court pormission and just pointing that out to the jurors. 149 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:57.759 That's the record her reflect he's pointing here. The windows will. 150 00:06:57.680 --> 00:06:59.439 To the far right side of the back. 151 00:06:59.279 --> 00:06:59.720 Of the house. 152 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:01.480 Regular reflect. 153 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:05.519 When you saw her. 154 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.600 In that, you remember. 155 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:11.079 Where her head was. 156 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.439 Her head was towards the house, and where were her 157 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.120 feet pointing out away from the house. 158 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.560 Are you trained in first date as part of your job? 159 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:22.079 Yes? 160 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:24.959 And do you carry equipment with you in case you 161 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:26.560 have to provide first aid to someone? 162 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:27.040 Yes. 163 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:32.120 When you saw the defendant on the ground, did you 164 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:33.879 go to her and observe any injuries? 165 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:37.160 She had cuts to both wrists and to the left 166 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:37.839 side of her neck. 167 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:41.800 The cuts to her wrists were those actively bleeding when 168 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:42.399 you saw them? 169 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:42.639 No? 170 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:43.120 They were not. 171 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:45.720 When you saw the cuts to her neck, were those 172 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:46.600 actively bleeding? 173 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:46.879 No? 174 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.720 Did you based on your training and experience, feel the 175 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:54.720 need to provide any medical care to those cuts or 176 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:56.399 use any of the equipment you had to tend to 177 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:57.639 those cuts and not at. 178 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:04.240 That time she conscious, semi consciousness, in and out of consciousness. 179 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:07.319 And what was she doing that gave you that indication? 180 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.920 She would wake up and move around and then kind 181 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:13.160 of just go still again. 182 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.680 And when you say she would move around, what parts 183 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:17.199 of her body was she moving? 184 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:18.639 Just her head? 185 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:19.000 Really? 186 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:22.839 Was she able to speak to you? 187 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:24.879 She wasn't. 188 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:26.839 No, was she making any sounds? 189 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:31.000 She was just like it sounded like she. 190 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.440 Was in pain, So something like moaning or something like that. Yes, 191 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:38.759 while you and Officer Josephine are there, do other first 192 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.159 responders such as firefighters start to arrive? 193 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.559 Yes, they started to arrive, and I went to the 194 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:46.200 gate to direct them where to go. 195 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.159 And how did you know they had arrived? 196 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:52.480 You could hear the sirens. 197 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:54.720 So you heard the sirens and went to the gate 198 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:56.360 to tell them to come to that side. 199 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:56.840 Correct. 200 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:04.279 While you were doing this, did Patrick Clancy stay with you? 201 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:08.039 At one point he went inside to say he was 202 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:09.240 going to check on his children. 203 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:11.759 And did you see what entrance he used to go 204 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:12.399 into the house. 205 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:14.399 He went towards the backslider. 206 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:19.639 Shortly after Patrick Clancy went inside the home, did you 207 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:21.559 receive a call on your radio? 208 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:22.480 Yes? 209 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:24.840 And what did you hear on your radio? 210 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.559 Dispatch said that he couldn't wake them. 211 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:33.519 Up, And did you know what they were talking about 212 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:35.159 when you heard? Initially heard that? 213 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:36.360 Not really? 214 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:36.480 No? 215 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:39.720 Did something then catch your attention? 216 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:40.399 Yeah? 217 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:45.799 I heard a loud scream from inside. 218 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:47.320 And could you tell where it was coming from? 219 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:49.000 Just inside the house? 220 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:52.879 And the screaming was it words or just sound? 221 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:54.039 It was just a sound. 222 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:56.600 When you heard that screaming, what. 223 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:57.080 Did you do? 224 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:01.639 Myself and Officer Josephine towards the slider and entered into 225 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:02.039 the house. 226 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:04.799 And when you entered into the house, do you remember 227 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:09.879 what room you entered into, into a kitchen And when 228 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.879 you entered into the kitchen, could you still hear that screaming? 229 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:17.559 No, we could hear he was talking, but there was screaming. 230 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:19.840 Was done what you said? He was talking? Who was 231 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:21.480 talking with Patrick Clancy? 232 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:22.759 So you could hear. 233 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.240 Patrick Clancy talking at that time? 234 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:24.720 Yes? 235 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:26.720 And could you tell where he was? 236 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:28.519 Yes, he was in the basement. 237 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:37.440 And did you head to the basement stairs yes. Exhibit 238 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.399 for one, are these the stairs that you went to? 239 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:44.559 Did you go to the bottom of the stairs? 240 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:45.039 I did. 241 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:47.480 Once you got to the bottom of the stairs. Is 242 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:49.519 it accurate that you either have to go right or left? 243 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:50.080 Correct? 244 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:51.440 Which direction did you go? 245 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:54.799 We heard Patrick Clancy talking from the right, so we 246 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:55.799 went in that direction. 247 00:10:58.080 --> 00:10:59.320 Could you hear what he was saying? 248 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.960 God? Can I do you matterfa? 249 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:07.720 You don't recall? 250 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:08.240 Yes? 251 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:19.080 Do you recall him saying I can't wake them up? 252 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:20.000 I can't get them up? 253 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:20.360 Yes? 254 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:26.919 And do you remember his demeanor as he was saying that. 255 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:28.919 God, he seems very upset. 256 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:30.919 What did you do in response to that? 257 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.480 He came from a back room, so we ran into 258 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:37.279 that back room. 259 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.159 Just going back to when you came down the stairs 260 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:43.519 and turned to the right, do you recall what type 261 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:45.200 of room that was when you went to the right. 262 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:48.799 It looks like a workout room, a workout area. 263 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:53.600 Let's show you your pictures here. 264 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.200 If you could just look at them and tell me 265 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:57.159 if you recognize what. 266 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.679 Of that that work room that you entered into when 267 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:03.720 you went to the right. Yes, we could have these 268 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.840 marks as the next few exhibits. 269 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:09.639 Those may be admitted four. 270 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:16.320 Exhibits are showing you Exhibit eighty nine. Is that the 271 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.399 view when you first come down the stairs and turned 272 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:23.120 to the right, Yes, And then showing you Exhibit ninety 273 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:27.480 of those exercise bands they're tied to the closet door. Yes, 274 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.320 ninety one, just a close up of that correct, Yes, 275 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:35.159 Then ninety two. 276 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:38.799 What are we seeing in this photograph, sir? 277 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:41.960 That was the back room that he was seemed to 278 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:43.840 be coming from that Patrick was coming to. 279 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:44.399 Yes. 280 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.000 You also looked at two photographs for that room of 281 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:49.879 those fair and acrid depictions. 282 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:51.679 Of how the word look that day. Yes, we could 283 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:52.360 have these marks. 284 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.559 The next two exhibits, please they may be admitted. 285 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:58.440 So did you head to that bathroom? 286 00:12:59.000 --> 00:12:59.320 I did? 287 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.039 And what did you see when you got to that 288 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:03.480 back room? 289 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.360 Just past the door on the left side, there was 290 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:06.519 a body of a young child. 291 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.080 And do you remember what position the child was in? 292 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:14.440 He had his feet towards the door and his head 293 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:15.159 towards the wall. 294 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:17.840 And was he on his back or his stomach? 295 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:18.919 He was on his back. 296 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:21.840 And do you recall what he was wearing. 297 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:25.080 He was shirtless. I believe he was just in a 298 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:29.759 diaper or underwear of some sort, and showing you. 299 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:34.840 Thank you did at ninety three If you wouldn't mind 300 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:42.440 just pointing out where you saw his body. He's pointing 301 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:43.159 to the area of the. 302 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.240 Yellow exercise band. Me reflect that. 303 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.200 And sir, that yellow exercise band. 304 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:52.559 Did you see that in that position when you saw 305 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.440 the body of the child on the floor, Yes, he said. 306 00:13:56.279 --> 00:14:00.360 It night before. Sir? 307 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.759 Did you later learn that child's name was Dawson Clancy? 308 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:04.240 I did? 309 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:11.039 And can you describe his physical appearance when you saw him? 310 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:13.720 He was discolored, like a bluish purple. 311 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:17.639 Do you remember what his face and neck looked like? 312 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:20.399 What happened next? 313 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.720 I called for paramedics to come to the basement. I 314 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:29.039 also called for a supervisor, and after Josephine picked up 315 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.879 the child and we ran him outside through the front 316 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:34.120 door to the ambulance. 317 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.399 And did did. 318 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:42.759 You do anything after that? After giving Dawson to EMTs, 319 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:43.960 we ran. 320 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.240 Back down into the basement to check to see if 321 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:47.559 we could find other children. 322 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.799 And what made you think there were other children to find? 323 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:54.639 When Patrick Clancy said, well, I can't wake them up 324 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:56.759 instead of just a singular. 325 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:00.639 And so when you went back inside, did you go 326 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:04.039 back down the basement stairs correct. And this time did 327 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:04.879 you go to the left? 328 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:05.720 Yes? 329 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:06.960 Sure? 330 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.919 Showing you a series of photographs, you could just tell 331 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:14.679 me if they clearly and accurately reflect the left side 332 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.120 of the basement looked on January from four, twenty twenty 333 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:18.399 three when you went in there. 334 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:19.120 Right. 335 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.360 Just for the record, they don't need to lay a foundation. 336 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:25.000 I agree to the photographs, no objection to any of them, 337 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.000 so we don't have to go through all the fun Thanks. 338 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:35.600 Yes, that is marked. 339 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:36.759 Is the next exhibits place? 340 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:42.919 It's ninety five under the mark, thank you? 341 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:47.399 Sure so showing you what's been marked is exhibit ninety five. 342 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:50.919 Is this what you saw when you went down the 343 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:53.440 stairs and went to the left that first few? Yes, 344 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.919 and then showing you exhibit ninety six. Is that a 345 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.080 further view as you go into the Yes. 346 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:07.399 Now, when you went into that room, what did you see? 347 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:14.320 There were two children on the floor motionless, and EMTs 348 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:18.360 were and paramedics were working on them. 349 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.120 And did you later learn that those children would core 350 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:24.200 clancy and callan clancy? 351 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:23.080 Yes? 352 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:26.639 Did you do anything to assist the medics at that time? 353 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:33.080 Excuse me? I asked if they needed any equipment and did. 354 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:34.120 They ask you to get some equipment. 355 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.440 They asked me to grab a heart monitor, and did 356 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.200 you do that? I went and found the fire captain 357 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:45.159 to ask where I could grab one, and he was 358 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:50.399 pretty upset, so I ended up going back downstairs into 359 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:50.919 the basement. 360 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:58.559 At some point in time. Actually, if I could show 361 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:02.360 you Exhibit six again and just ask the people this 362 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:08.960 point to us where you saw each child the record. 363 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:13.880 The first area you pointed to was in between the 364 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:16.240 blood stain and the black exercise band. 365 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:17.240 Is that correct? 366 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:21.240 And then the second area was over in front of 367 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:26.440 that small nightstand or or some type of shelby unit. 368 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:30.119 At some point in time, did you go back outside? 369 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:35.519 Yes, they stated they need an officer with Lindsay Clancy. 370 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:46.519 And to show you photo. You're outside near that window. Well, 371 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:50.960 that's towards the right of the house. Is that where 372 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:56.039 Lindsay Clintcy was, where that medical debris is, and just 373 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.720 showing you another photograph? Is that just showing further to 374 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.640 the in a broader area of that same scene. Yes, 375 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:07.799 I could have the close up mark as the next 376 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:10.359 exhibit and they broader photo as the following. 377 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.000 They be admitted. 378 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:19.359 While you were out there with a defendant, were with 379 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:23.799 medical staff paramedics treating her. Yes, And did you happen 380 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:24.680 to look up? 381 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:25.680 Yes, I didn't. 382 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:27.319 What did you see when you looked up? 383 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:31.319 There was an open window with blood marks around the window. 384 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:35.559 And did you also see blood marks on the shingles 385 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:36.319 below that window? 386 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:37.160 I didn't. 387 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.200 Showing you a photograph here, so up at the top, 388 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:51.319 is this the open window you're referring to, yes, I mean, 389 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:54.440 and on the shingles here to the left and right 390 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.119 just below that window, or those the blood. 391 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:59.920 Marks you're referring to, yes, m M. 392 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:06.160 And here in this photograph you had mentioned marks blood 393 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:07.200 marks on the upper window. 394 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:08.920 Is that what you were going to? 395 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:13.200 And then here at the top of the lower window 396 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.839 these marks here are those the other blood marks that 397 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:20.240 you saw? 398 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.559 Yes, we could have. 399 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:26.039 These photos marked. 400 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:29.759 As the next that's they may be admitted. 401 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:32.559 While you were out there in the backyard, did you 402 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:38.480 see a ripped or oh, I'm sorry. While you were outside, 403 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:44.200 did you see any ripped or torn screens on the ground? 404 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:48.279 What did you do next? 405 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:51.920 I just went over to the paramedic and asked what 406 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:55.039 I can help him with. He said she was she 407 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:59.920 was good, but she kept taking her face mask off 408 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.519 for oxygen, and so I just kept replacing it back 409 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:04.240 onto her face. 410 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:06.759 And when you say she, you're referring to Lindsay Clancy. 411 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:07.079 Yes. 412 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.079 And did you then help them get the stretcher to 413 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:11.839 the ambulance? 414 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:12.279 Yes? 415 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:16.799 I have nothing further. 416 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:24.000 All right, Frankton, thank you for your incredible services. 417 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:28.400 All right, so you may stipp down? Thank you? Are 418 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:29.160 you Truey Sprague? 419 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:39.799 Josephine here? Thank good morning, sir? 420 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:46.680 All right, counsel, thank you, good morning. Could you please 421 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:48.519 stay and spill your name for the record. 422 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:53.640 Brian B. R I A. N. Josephine j O. S E. 423 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:54.720 P A. Chinee. 424 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:56.039 And what's your day to birth sir? 425 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:59.880 June thirteenth, nineteen ninety And where do you work? I 426 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:01.680 work at the Duxbury Police Department. 427 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:03.720 How long have you been a police officer? 428 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:08.480 I started there in April of twenty. 429 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:10.759 Twenty And did you work for the Plymouth Police before that? 430 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:11.279 Yes? 431 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:11.599 I did? 432 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:12.720 And how long did you do that? 433 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.079 Almost five years? 434 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:18.799 What is your current role? 435 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:20.759 I am patrol officer. 436 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:24.160 Back in January of twenty twenty three. What was your 437 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.039 role with the Duxbury Police Department. 438 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:30.279 I was the school resource officer for Alden and Chandler. 439 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:32.960 I worked with kids kindergarten through fifth grade. 440 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:38.160 Directing your attention specifically to January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. 441 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:40.640 Were you working in an overtime shift that day? 442 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:43.920 Yes, I had picked up an overtime shift. 443 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:45.160 And which shift was that? 444 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:47.559 It was the four to midnight but I was scheduled 445 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:49.559 to work till eight pm eight pm. 446 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.160 Yes, Now, so you were scheduled to be there from 447 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:54.960 four to four pm to eight pm? Is that correct? 448 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:55.599 That is correct? 449 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:00.599 And you were in a cruiser, in a cruiser in 450 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:01.200 a uniform. 451 00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:05.640 Yes, I was fully dressed in Duxbury Police uniform. I 452 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:08.640 was in a marked cruiser Duxbury Police one seven to two. 453 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:11.839 And did you receive a dispatch at approximately six to 454 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.079 eleven pm to go to forty seven Summer Street in Duxbury. 455 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:15.759 Yes, we did. 456 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:18.200 And when you say we, were you with a partner 457 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:19.079 or were you alone? 458 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:22.279 No? I was by myself. We ride single and a 459 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:23.279 cruise of that okay. 460 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:24.839 So when you say we it was, do you mean 461 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:26.880 that it was dispatched to all officers on patrol. 462 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.039 So usually with critical incidents calls, they put it over 463 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.640 to dispatch and they'll say Duxbury police cars start making 464 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:36.240 your way to a certain address. That way everyone can 465 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:37.640 get there as quickly as possible. 466 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:40.039 And so then you knew at that point to go 467 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:43.400 to forty seven Summer Street. Yes, And approximately how long 468 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:44.400 did it take you to get there? 469 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:46.839 I would say anyway from three to four minutes. 470 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:50.440 So you were relatively close by when you receive the dispatch, Yes, 471 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:54.960 I was. And when you arrived at forty seven Summer Street, 472 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:56.440 what did you observe? 473 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:02.799 Dispatch was given me description of the house. Took probably 474 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:05.680 fifteen seconds for me to identify the house parked in 475 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:08.440 the street. I saw the number of the house and 476 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:10.920 I made my way. I believe it was a mudroom 477 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:11.680 that I went to. 478 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:15.559 Exhibit thirty three. 479 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:19.359 When you say the mudroom that you went through, do 480 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:20.640 you actually go inside. 481 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:21.519 The house or did you go to the door? 482 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:24.359 I went to the door to the mudroom to check 483 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:26.640 if that was unlocked so I could make my way 484 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:27.559 to the back of the house. 485 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:30.759 And is that door depicted in this photograph? 486 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:31.440 Yes it is. 487 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:34.039 And is it the door to the left of the garage. 488 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:37.200 Yes it is, and was the door locker us? 489 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:38.759 It was locked at that time? 490 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:42.200 So what did you do next a radio dispatch just 491 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.720 for confirmation of where that party we're trying to get 492 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:47.880 to was located. They told me it was a round 493 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:49.839 back of the house. So I tried to make my 494 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:50.440 way that way. 495 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:52.960 And when you went to the back of the house, 496 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:53.880 how did you get there? 497 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.799 Well, referring back to the picture where the car was parked, I. 498 00:23:57.759 --> 00:23:58.880 Went to the right side. 499 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.799 And I went around the garage. 500 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:03.799 There was a fence, and I went over the fence, 501 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:04.200 I believe. 502 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:07.400 But showing you into at thirty three again you went 503 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.400 by these cars and around the house to the right. 504 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:11.400 Yes, that's correct. 505 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:20.200 Showing you exited thirty seven, does that mean that he 506 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:23.720 would have been coming around the house over here by. 507 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.039 The garage on the left and in the porch. 508 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.839 The death Yes, that's correct. 509 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.240 And when you came around there, what did you see? 510 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:35.519 I made my way. 511 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:39.200 I observed two parties, one lying in the ground and 512 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:42.160 one standing over it, and I started to make my 513 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:44.720 way towards the other end of the house, which is 514 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:47.119 as towards this fence, as you guys can see in 515 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.079 reference to that photo. 516 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:50.839 And so when you say the other end of the house, 517 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:56.000 you were talking about this area here the father's further 518 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:57.359 right windows. 519 00:24:57.480 --> 00:24:58.960 Yes, that is correct. 520 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:03.119 And the person that was standing did you later learn 521 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:04.160 that was Patrick Clancy? 522 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:04.720 Yes? 523 00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:05.079 I did. 524 00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:07.039 And the person on the ground did you later learn 525 00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:10.400 that was Lindsay camp Clinton, Yes, I did. And at 526 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:13.240 some point in time was Officer Hall also back there 527 00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:13.519 with you? 528 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:18.400 Yes, he came from this side over here, the opposite 529 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:19.319 direction in which. 530 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.519 I came, so facing the house, he would have come 531 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:23.759 around the left side of the house if you're facing 532 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:24.119 the house. 533 00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:27.759 Yes, he parked on the street and came from this side, 534 00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:30.079 the opposite of where I came from. 535 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:36.079 Okay, And do you recall what Patrick Clancy was doing 536 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.359 when you first saw him. 537 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:43.039 He was standing over Lindsay at that point it appeared 538 00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:46.720 that he was trying to communicate with her. I observed 539 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.920 him with a cell phone. It was kind of down 540 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:52.680 by his side, so I don't know if they were 541 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.599 talking or what, but it was probably split second, and 542 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.799 then he turned to my location saw me because I 543 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:02.519 was illuminating the yard with my flashlight, and then that's 544 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:04.000 when me and him cross pass. 545 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.240 Okay, And so you said you saw him with his 546 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.200 cell phone by his side. Was it in his hand 547 00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:08.880 by his side? 548 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:10.759 Yes? I believe is in his left hand. 549 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:13.960 Okay, And you say you cross passed with him approximately 550 00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:15.559 where did you cross paths with him? 551 00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:20.759 It was probably right by the bulkhead, I would say. 552 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:24.400 So in the photograph to the right. 553 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:27.400 Of the death is the bull, That is correct? 554 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:28.920 And where was he headed? 555 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.880 He was heading I believe up towards the deck. 556 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:37.400 Yeah, obviously I didn't know it at that time, but 557 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.079 he was just walking past me pretty fast in an 558 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:40.799 abrupt manner. 559 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.079 So and did he say anything to you as he passed? 560 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:44.720 No, he did not. 561 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.079 And after you cross passed with Patrick, where did you go? 562 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:50.759 I went to the female party? 563 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:53.599 And did you speak to her? 564 00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:55.079 I attempted to. 565 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:56.640 And what did you say? 566 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:01.799 I'm just trying to get basic information where she was hurt, 567 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:04.519 where she needed attention, anything I can do to kind 568 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.640 of help her until fire arrived. 569 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.079 And did she respond to your questions? 570 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.720 She mumbled and it wasn't a definitive answer. 571 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:15.759 Did you observe any injuries? 572 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.000 Yes, she was laying on the ground. 573 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.160 There was cuts to her right wrist, I believe, and 574 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:23.880 to the right side of her neck. 575 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:26.680 And were those cuts actively bleeding at that time? 576 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.200 They were bleeding, but not profusely. 577 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.880 Did you are you changed in first aid? 578 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:33.640 Yes? 579 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:35.559 Did you feel the need to put pressure on those 580 00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:36.400 wounds immediately? 581 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:37.079 No. 582 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:42.519 We also carry medical equipment such as tournique, gauze, stuff 583 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.720 like that, and I believe, due to the circumstances that I didn't, 584 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:47.599 you need to utilize those tools. 585 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:52.519 And the tourniquet that you carry is that in case 586 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.119 someone has some type of cut where an artery has 587 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.880 been damaged or cut. Yes, it is okay, and you're 588 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:04.200 trained to recognize when it's something serious like an artery 589 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:08.240 spring let everywhere versus a cut that doesn't need a tourniquet. Yes, 590 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.359 we are, and you didn't see the need for attorney. 591 00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:11.160 I did not know. 592 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.359 Based on your training in firstaid and as a police officer, 593 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.319 as a first responder. Did those wounds appear life threatening? 594 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:22.119 No they did not. 595 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.599 Did other emergency personnel from the fighting department begin to arrive? 596 00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:30.559 Yes, so I would say I tried to talk to 597 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.880 Miss Clancy for probably thirty seconds to a minute, and 598 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.680 at that point, coming from that opposite side of the house, 599 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:43.680 I observed Duxbury fire personnel show up, and our protocol 600 00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:45.440 is to kind of turn the medical over to them 601 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:47.559 because they're more highly trained than we are. 602 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.119 And at some point in time, do you hear something? Yes, 603 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:52.839 what do you hear? 604 00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:58.839 Myself and Officer Hall, we're standing by that window and 605 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:00.920 we just started hearing loud screams. 606 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.440 And what did you do when you heard those loud screams? 607 00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:09.119 We immediately were trying to figure out where they were 608 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:12.359 coming from. I'm not sure if dispatch or something came 609 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.039 over the air and said something about the basement, but 610 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.599 we both just started making our way back towards the 611 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:19.599 deck part of the house. 612 00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:22.079 Did you go in through the sliding glass doors. 613 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.359 Yes, we went up the deck and through the sliding 614 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.839 glass doors into the kitchen. 615 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:31.319 And did you then head to the basement. Yes, And 616 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.000 could you hear any sounds coming from the basement as 617 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:34.519 you entered the. 618 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.359 Kitchen, Yes, it was the exact screaming that I heard 619 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:38.079 from the window. 620 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:43.720 And did you go down the stairs to the basement. 621 00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:44.519 Yes, we did. 622 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:46.480 And did you see anything as you went down the 623 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:48.079 stairs after you went down the stairs? 624 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:50.920 So we went down the stairs and there was a 625 00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.039 picture at the bottom of the stairs, I believe of Lindsey, 626 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.720 Lindsay and Patrick and the basement splits off into two 627 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:00.440 a right and a left area, and the sads were 628 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.559 coming from the right area, So that's where we directed 629 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:03.519 our attention to first. 630 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:08.079 And did you see Patrick, Yes. 631 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.480 That right side opens up and it's like two rooms, 632 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:15.079 I believe. So we went into the forrest room, which 633 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.559 was kind of dark, and there was some clutter and 634 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.559 stuff around, and Patrick was in that back room at 635 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:21.920 the time. 636 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:29.079 Exhibit is that the doorway into that bathroom? 637 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:30.240 Yes it is. 638 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.759 And then exhibit ninety three is that the inside of 639 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:34.839 that bathroom? 640 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:35.599 Yes it is. 641 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:41.319 And do you recall what, if anything Patrick was saying 642 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.720 as you encountered him. 643 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:48.039 Upon his observation of us myself an officer hall, he 644 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.880 proceeded to head in our direction leaving that room, and 645 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.160 at that point he looked up and he screamed, she 646 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:56.200 killed the fucking kids. 647 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.480 And after he said that, where did you go? 648 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.079 Once he cleared himself from the doorframe, we were able 649 00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:09.119 to look inside the room where we observed what appeared 650 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.200 to be a child laying motionless on the floor. 651 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:14.279 And did you later learn his name is Dawson Clancy? 652 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:15.240 Yes? I did? 653 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:17.400 And how was he positioned? 654 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:20.599 He was laying on his back. 655 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.160 Kind of close to the gym bag for reference of 656 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.839 that ninety three again. 657 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:31.839 Is that the bag to the left of the. 658 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:34.079 Child's toy. 659 00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:40.519 Yes, And so you're saying that he was in that 660 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:43.160 area when you first saw him, Yes, he was. And 661 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:44.720 do you recall whether he was on his. 662 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.279 Back or else. 663 00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:48.680 He was on his back, And do. 664 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.960 You recall his physical appearance. 665 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:53.759 Like I said, he was laying on his back, his 666 00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.359 head was tilted to the right hand side. 667 00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:00.039 Looked at him kind. 668 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:03.720 Of face area once we got closer, and his face 669 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:09.960 was white, gray, lips were blue, eyes were bloodshot, looked 670 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.000 like blood vessels were popped in his eyes. 671 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:14.759 Did you notice any injuries to his neck? 672 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:19.200 Seeing that, my first instinc was to kind of grab 673 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:20.640 his head and tilted to the side, see if I 674 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.240 can get a pulse. But I mean, based on my 675 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:27.000 training experience from previous incidents, I knew it wasn't gonna 676 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.160 be good, so I moved ahead and that's where I 677 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.400 observed some red marks on that right hand side of 678 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:33.839 the neck. 679 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:34.480 Yes. 680 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.400 And in that. 681 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:46.680 Yellow exercise yes, testimony. 682 00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:48.039 You may have called it a blue exercise band, is 683 00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:52.279 that correct? Yes, But it's clearly yellow in the photo right. 684 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.559 Yes, it's clearly yellow. I mean, there was good. 685 00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.519 So what was your focus at the time, the child? 686 00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:07.960 And once you saw him there with these injuries, what 687 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:08.519 did you do? 688 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.359 Based on my observations, I knew there wasn't really much 689 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:17.880 I could do, so I picked the child up, went 690 00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.640 chest to chest, and as I did that, it was 691 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:22.839 kind of like a mucus or a foam that leaked 692 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.920 out of his mouth onto me. I grabbed him, went 693 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.200 back towards the way. We came down into the basement 694 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.680 and I headed up to the stairs where Sergeant Homestead 695 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.240 was coming down the stairs and I started yelling to 696 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:37.200 him to get out of the way. 697 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:39.880 Went back up the stairs. 698 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:45.440 And then into the kitchen directly adjacent to the stairs 699 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.920 as the front foyer hallway, and I went out that 700 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.519 out the main door into the driveway and was. 701 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.480 There an ambulance in the driveway at that time. 702 00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.519 Yes, the ambulance was backing up and had pretty much 703 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.839 just parked in. One of the fire was walking around 704 00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:04.680 to the stretcher out back. 705 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.440 So I rushed over with Dawson and. 706 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.239 I put him on the stretcher and that's when Sergeant 707 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:13.559 Homestead and fire personnel started working for other on them. 708 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.039 What did you do next? 709 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:16.960 I went back into the house. 710 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.559 And why did you go back into the house. 711 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:23.239 I remember hearing something about kids and multiple and I 712 00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:24.000 just went back. 713 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:26.440 And when you went back to the house, did you 714 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:27.159 go to the basement? 715 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:27.760 Yes? 716 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:29.760 I went back in the front door, back down to 717 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:31.519 the basement, and this time I went to the left 718 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:32.159 hand side. 719 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:34.760 And when you went to the left hand side of 720 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.840 the basement, what did you see? 721 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:38.519 Pretty much directly in my. 722 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.559 Site was an older female laying on the ground, and 723 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:47.639 then in the corner there was like a younger baby. 724 00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:50.119 And when you say an older female, you're referring to 725 00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:51.599 that she was older than Dawson. 726 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:52.360 That's correct. 727 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:56.440 And did you later learn her name was Cora Clancy? 728 00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:57.000 I did? 729 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.239 And did you assist in treating her? 730 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:00.719 Yes? 731 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:01.880 What did you do? 732 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:02.880 So? 733 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.079 When I got down to the basement to fire personnel, 734 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.719 we're already unseen. One was working on the baby and 735 00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:15.480 one was working on Core. Communicated with them. We worked together, 736 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:19.159 and I took over doing chest compressions of Core. 737 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.480 And were you able to see any injuries on Core 738 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:24.239 at that time? 739 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:29.800 Yes, she had kind of the same injuries that I 740 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:35.840 explained with Dawson, the pale tint, bluish lips, bloodshot eyes, 741 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:40.159 blood vessels popped. But this time she also had like 742 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:41.519 dried blood around her mouth. 743 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:46.320 And did you also see an area of blood near 744 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:47.159 her on the floor. 745 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.639 Yes, there was a relatively large area of blood on 746 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:52.119 the floor. 747 00:35:53.840 --> 00:36:00.360 Actually, we're doing CPR on her that sleep deep through 748 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:00.960 my hands. 749 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.719 So I ended up moving her a little off to 750 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.599 the side so I could position myself better. 751 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.320 Just showing you what's been marked as Exhibit ninety seven, 752 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:11.400 this red brown. 753 00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:12.159 Skin on the run side. 754 00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:20.039 Yes, while you were doing chest compressions on Cora, what 755 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.639 was the firefighter doing, The. 756 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:26.599 One that had previously been attending to Korra then went 757 00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:28.400 to the child that was in the. 758 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:37.559 Corner, And eventually was Cora put on a stretcher and 759 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:38.480 brought out. 760 00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:44.079 Yes, eventually I think the baby was brought out first 761 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.920 because I think they mentioned at some point they might 762 00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:48.800 have found like a faint pulse or something like that, 763 00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.119 so they got him out first and then we were 764 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:53.079 able to get Cora up. 765 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.840 So that entire time while you're in the basement, are 766 00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:58.679 you still giving chest compressions to Cora? 767 00:36:59.400 --> 00:36:59.599 Yes? 768 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.480 Yeah, I mean it felt like forever to the point 769 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.920 where I think I radioed for assistance for another officer 770 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:08.639 to come down. 771 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.719 And did others come down to assist. 772 00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:15.639 Yes, Officer Kale came down to further assist where I 773 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.800 continued with chest compressions and he used a bag valve 774 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:24.559 mask to give rescue breasts and a bag valve mask. 775 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.039 Is that something that goes over someone's face, a mask 776 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.000 that's attached to a bag and you squeeze it to 777 00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:29.559 give air. 778 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.000 Yes, it's an alternative breathing apparatus. 779 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.440 At some point, do you go back upstairs to the 780 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.440 first floor, yes? And do you encounter Patrick Clancy when 781 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:44.880 you go upstairs? 782 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:45.679 Yes? 783 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:50.079 So when they removed Cora, myself an officer Kale went 784 00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:54.679 back upstairs where and counted mister Clancy in the kitchen. 785 00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:59.280 And what was his demeanor in the kitchen He was. 786 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.360 Still frantic, kind of in shock, still screaming and losing himself. 787 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:08.039 And I think at that point, I don't know one 788 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.199 of us requested that we get an ambulance for him 789 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:10.639 as well. 790 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:17.039 Thank you, sir, nothing further, Tony Readington. 791 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.039 I'm sorry, I have no questions. All right, thank you 792 00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:22.239 sing be such thank you. 793 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.719 At this point I'm objecting, renewing my objection that the 794 00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:33.039 repetitions if. 795 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:34.480 We could vacancy Severn. 796 00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.519 Ladies will bring it right back in in a couple 797 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:38.920 of minutes with the next witness. 798 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:42.880 Okay, all right, don't quotes base. 799 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.760 Backed up a trial economwell for us as Lindsay Clancy. 800 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:52.880 All parties are present, including the defendant and the eighteen Jermors. 801 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:53.519 Carbo three D. 802 00:38:53.599 --> 00:39:05.000 Call you next witness, thanks a right, good morning morning bye, yes, 803 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.280 please thank you, good morning. Could you please state and 804 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:08.480 spell your name for the record. 805 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:09.079 PJ. 806 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:12.159 Hussey h U S S E Y and your day 807 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.280 of birth nineteen sixty three. 808 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.119 Where do you work LuxP Fire Department. 809 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:19.079 And how long have you been a firefighter? 810 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:20.280 Thirty two years. 811 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:22.559 Are you also a paramedic? 812 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:23.000 Yes? 813 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:26.039 What's the difference between an e MT and a paramedic? 814 00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:30.920 Paramedic has advanced life saving skills intubation and medicine we 815 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:31.920 can use. 816 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:32.559 On the patients. 817 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.559 And is there a certain type of training that you 818 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.239 have to have as a paramedic. 819 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.000 Yes, every two years. 820 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.159 And to first qualify as a paramedic, what do you 821 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:42.559 have to do? 822 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:47.960 There's a paramedic class that you take upwards of two years, 823 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:48.559 so you. 824 00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:50.320 Take that paramedic class. Is there a test you have 825 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:50.760 to take at the. 826 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:51.480 End of the state test? 827 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.159 And once you pass that state test and become a paramedic, 828 00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:59.199 you have to do continuing education. Is that correct? And 829 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:03.039 did you take that initial training, past that initial test 830 00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:06.280 and then pass all subsequent training to be a paramedic? 831 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:06.719 Yes? 832 00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.840 And how long have you been a paramedic. 833 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:09.920 About seventeen years. 834 00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:15.360 What is your current role with the Duxbury Firefighter Fire Department. 835 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.599 I'm a captain which is considered shift commander. 836 00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.480 And in January of twenty twenty three were you in 837 00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:22.199 that same role? 838 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:22.559 Yes? 839 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:24.199 What does a shift commander do? 840 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.960 Oversees the operations of the town as far as firefighting 841 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.480 and medical services. 842 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.280 How many fire departments or stations? 843 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:34.599 Rather? 844 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:38.039 How many stations does Duxbury Fire Department have xbs two? 845 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:39.599 And how far apart? 846 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.840 Are they about ten minutes apart? 847 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:44.320 And are they staffed differently than from each other? 848 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.039 And how are they staffed at the central station as 849 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:50.119 a captain and usually three and the other station this 850 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.360 too just two firefighters. 851 00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.800 And for Duxbury are all the firefighters that work for 852 00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:56.880 Duxbury Fire Department also paramedics. 853 00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.159 Not all we have too EMT. 854 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:06.079 Yeah, now I'm sorry the rest of medics. And when 855 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.639 you say medics, you're talking about paramedics. 856 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:07.960 Yeah. 857 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:12.599 Sorry, So direct your attention to January twenty fourth, twenty 858 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:14.159 twenty three. Were you working that day? 859 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:14.559 Yes? 860 00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:16.119 And what shift were you working? 861 00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:18.760 My own shift? My group shift one? 862 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:19.840 And what is shift one? 863 00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.960 It's just we have four shifts and I'm just Group one, 864 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:24.519 Shift one. 865 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.320 Is there a certain time that spans time of day? 866 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.239 No, twenty four hour shift o'clock in the morning, sayight 867 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:32.119 o'clock the next morning. 868 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.559 Okay, So you were working eight o'clock in the morning 869 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.599 on January twenty fourth, yes, and your shift would end 870 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:39.760 eight o'clock in the morning on January twenty fifth, correct. 871 00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.880 And were you working in that capacity as a shift 872 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:47.239 commander on the twenty fourth yes. Now do you recall 873 00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:51.039 a call coming in shortly after six pm dispatching you 874 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.559 to forty seven Summer Street in Duxbury. 875 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:54.000 Yes? 876 00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:56.079 And did you respond to that scene? 877 00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:56.360 We do? 878 00:41:56.840 --> 00:42:00.000 And how many vehicles in personnel responded. 879 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.440 My car to shift command A car ambults one and 880 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:05.320 engine number two. 881 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.400 And what was the personnel in each of those vehicles? 882 00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:11.239 Not names necessarily, but how many people we put. 883 00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:15.079 Usually it's two in the mbulance, but because the severity 884 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:16.760 of the call when it first came in, we put 885 00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.119 three people in the ambuls and driver, plus two medics 886 00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.000 in the inbults and then two people two fire Futo 887 00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:23.800 medics in the engine from the other station. 888 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:26.599 So that would be six people in total, six total. 889 00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.440 And did you have anyone from the second station respond? 890 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.719 Initially they all came, We all came at the same time. 891 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:36.320 We all get dispatched at the same time. 892 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.320 So would that have been six people total from both 893 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.480 stations or six people from the central station? 894 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.440 Six people total from both. 895 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:49.960 And when you arrived on scene, what did you see 896 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:50.760 upon arrival? 897 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.039 There's a couple of police cruises that were there already, 898 00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.559 just had just beat us in and then we had 899 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:02.920 to go up back to where the patient was located. 900 00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:05.360 And when you refer to the patient that was up back, 901 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:06.400 was that Lindsay Clancy? 902 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:06.719 Yes? 903 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.079 And did you head to the backyard? 904 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:09.400 Yes? 905 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:10.840 And did you see her on the ground? 906 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:11.239 I did? 907 00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:14.679 And were you personally treating her or was it the 908 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:16.320 other paramedics. 909 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.559 That the paramatics were treating her? Okay? 910 00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:18.760 And what were you doing. 911 00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:20.440 Just supervising the call? 912 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.679 Just make sure things are handled appropriately as a as 913 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:24.800 a shift commander. 914 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.559 Telling you what's been marked as Exhibit thirty seven. 915 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.639 Do you see the area where you were in the 916 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.840 backyard that night on the screen? 917 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:39.440 Yes, if you. 918 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:41.480 Wouldn't mind standing up and disappointing where you were. 919 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.400 The patient was crossing the right here. I was over 920 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:48.079 here in this area here. 921 00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:50.639 And if the record reflect, you pointed to the patient 922 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.119 being to the right of the metal window, Will, and 923 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:55.079 you were standing to the left of the window, Will. 924 00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.239 Is that correct? She was right below this window, so 925 00:43:58.719 --> 00:43:59.239 she was right in. 926 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:00.559 This seria okay? 927 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:04.079 And when you said right below this window, and you're 928 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.440 pointing to the far right second story window. 929 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.480 At some point in time while you were standing there, 930 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:13.840 did you hear a loud noise? 931 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:16.039 I heard a scream. 932 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.440 And when you heard the scream, could you tell where 933 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:20.639 it was coming from? 934 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:22.159 It sounded like it was come from the basement. 935 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:24.880 And did you did you look anywhere in particular? 936 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:28.400 I was able to look through the basement window and 937 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:32.880 able to see a mall, a male person down downstairs. 938 00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:34.880 And when you say the basement window, are you afraid 939 00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:35.519 to that first? 940 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:43.199 Yes, yes, yes, that was showing. 941 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:48.559 You again on the screen here what's been marked is 942 00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:49.599 Exhibit fifty. 943 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:56.320 This window here on the right, does that barely represent 944 00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:57.519 the window that. 945 00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:59.760 You look through and could see down into that. 946 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:06.599 And was the light on in the basement office when 947 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:07.599 you look a light was on? 948 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:07.960 Yes? 949 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.960 And what did you see when you looked in the window. 950 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:13.280 After I heard the scream? 951 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:18.119 I saw our male, older male gentleman, now knowing it 952 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:22.360 was Patrick Clancy, unwrapping something from a child's head. 953 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.719 And when you saw the male unwrapping something, can you 954 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:29.559 demonstrate the motion that they were doing. 955 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:35.039 Yeah, the child was on the ground, The head was 956 00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.119 towards the window, so the head was towards the. 957 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.960 Back of the house, and he was picked the child 958 00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:42.760 up and he was in a circle of motion taking 959 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.039 something off the head, around the head, around the neck. 960 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:50.000 And could you see the child's face. Yes, And what 961 00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.320 observations did you make of the child's face? 962 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.000 The head was blue? 963 00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:58.719 And did you later learn that child was Dawson Clancy? 964 00:45:58.880 --> 00:45:59.119 Yes? 965 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:03.840 At that point, what did you do? 966 00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.199 Because of the severity of Miss Clancy on the ground. 967 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.920 And now we have another patient, I put a all 968 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:15.519 call in, which is a recall of Dutch Pray personnel, 969 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:17.679 all Dutch Pray personnel if they're available, to come back 970 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:19.480 to the town to help out for when I need 971 00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:21.679 help on the scene, and I also need help in 972 00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.239 the town to cover the town while I'm busy at 973 00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.599 this scene. And I also requested a mutual aid ambulance 974 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.800 to respond to the scene because at. 975 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:33.159 That time there's only one ambulance. 976 00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:35.000 That was the one ambulance from Miss Clancy. 977 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:38.320 Yes, and then I called another seeing the next the 978 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:40.760 next patient, I called the another ambulance and okay. 979 00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:42.519 And what is mutual aid? 980 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:43.400 Mutual aid is this. 981 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.280 It's a it's a shared system that all the towns 982 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:49.079 use that if we get busy or. 983 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:51.599 Busy with calls, we. 984 00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.119 Have to call help and from surrounding towns to give 985 00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.800 us a hand, whether it be fire related or medical related. 986 00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.800 Because that's where you only have one ambulance. We have three, 987 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:02.480 but we only had one staff that night. Yes, so 988 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.199 you call in for an additional ambulance. At some point 989 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.639 in time, do you learn that there are two other 990 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.559 patients or Clancy and Calm Clancy. Yes, at that point 991 00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.440 in time, do you have to do anything to call 992 00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:20.599 in more assistance and the scene that night, you know, 993 00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:25.000 discovering another victim, another victim. Was that a chaotic scene? 994 00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:27.840 It turned very chaotic very quickly. 995 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:33.320 And was it a situation where people would start treating 996 00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:35.079 a patient but then have to move on to something 997 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:36.519 else and someone would take over. 998 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:39.199 Sort of? 999 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:43.400 I had four so I had myself as a shift commander, 1000 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.880 had an EMT with me. But there's all four paramedics. 1001 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.760 So the way it ended up working, all the initial 1002 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.559 paramacs were with miss Clancy in the beginning, and then 1003 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.440 when we found the other patients, we left a paramedic 1004 00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.679 with Miss Clancy, paramedic with Dawson, and then two paramedics 1005 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:03.039 work with the two other kids in the other room. 1006 00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:08.760 And did someone eventually also have to be with Patrick Clancy. 1007 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:12.119 Eventually yes, yeah, but at the time there was nobody 1008 00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:12.920 with them in the beginning. 1009 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:14.400 I have nothing further. 1010 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:18.559 Thank you, hik counsel, no questions, Thank you, sir, Hi, 1011 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:20.760 thank you, sir, thank you. 1012 00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:21.679 You treating Bucky. 1013 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.440 Would call loring Nut as its text witness. 1014 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:26.519 Please m. 1015 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.639 All right, good morning, sir, good morning. 1016 00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:40.320 Yes, please, counsel, thank you, good morning, good morning. Could 1017 00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:42.199 you please tell the jerors your first and last name. 1018 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.199 My first name is lauring l O R I n G. 1019 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:47.039 My last name is nud And. 1020 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:49.239 You d D And do you have a nickname that 1021 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:49.719 you go by? 1022 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.760 I do? What everybody knows me is Chuck Chuck. 1023 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.320 And do you work, sir? 1024 00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:57.360 I do? 1025 00:48:57.800 --> 00:48:58.679 What do you do for work? 1026 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.360 So I'm a five at an EMT with the Duxbury 1027 00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.239 Fire Department. I am, I was at that time. I 1028 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:05.199 am now retired. 1029 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:06.719 Okay, So when did you retire? 1030 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.639 So I retired a year ago, a year ago? 1031 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.559 And so how long had you been working with Duxbury 1032 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:14.719 Fire before your retirement? 1033 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:16.599 A little over thirty years? 1034 00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:17.119 Thirty? 1035 00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:21.840 And can you explain what your role was as a 1036 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:23.000 Duxbury firefighter. 1037 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:25.519 So if. 1038 00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:30.119 I was an EMT, which eighty percent of our calls 1039 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:34.000 are probably that related, so I'd either I would assist 1040 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.840 a paramedic or I would drive the ambulance or whatever. 1041 00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:39.840 Was necessary at the time. 1042 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.199 And then we were also firefoo you know, did fire 1043 00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.599 suppression and we were all trained in that and went 1044 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:46.960 to the academy and all that. 1045 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.280 Can you tell us what the difference is between an 1046 00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:50.440 EMT and a paramedic. 1047 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:54.599 So a paramedic requires another year or two of training, 1048 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:59.960 and they're able to prescribe meds, I mean not prescribe meds, 1049 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.360 excuse me, give meds that they have according to what 1050 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.000 they need to do. They can also read the monitor 1051 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.800 that helps that shows rhythms in the heart and. 1052 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:11.280 What have you. 1053 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.400 Is it fair to say that as an EMT you're basic, 1054 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.880 you're trained in basic life saving techniques, while a paramedic 1055 00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:19.760 is advanced life saving techniques. 1056 00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:20.400 Correct? 1057 00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:24.679 And so at Duxbury Fire Department. Is it also fair 1058 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.840 to say that each and every firefighter has that dual 1059 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.760 role of either being an EMT paramedic and a firefighter. 1060 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:37.639 Yes, some are. There might be one em T, you know. 1061 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.239 Just a basic where most of them are are the 1062 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:43.960 medics are the but we're all all firefighters too. 1063 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:49.000 And in the town of Duxbury, does the town itself 1064 00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.679 have its own ambulances in addition to the fire engines 1065 00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:54.800 and there's also ladder trucks correct? 1066 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:55.119 Correct? 1067 00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:58.559 Now, when you were working as. 1068 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:02.599 A Duxberry firefighter, what was the schedule? How did you 1069 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:03.679 work your shifts? 1070 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.400 So we worked twenty four hour shifts. 1071 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.480 And then how many days on and how many days off? 1072 00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.719 So we'd have one day on one day off, one 1073 00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:15.039 day on in, five off, and. 1074 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:17.719 A twenty four hour shift. When did it start and end? 1075 00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:20.519 It was eight o'clock in the morning to eight o'clock 1076 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:21.199 the next morning. 1077 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.719 So, if I direct your attention to January twenty fourth 1078 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:26.840 of twenty twenty three, you were still working for the 1079 00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.840 Duxbury Fire Department then correct? 1080 00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:29.480 Correct? 1081 00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:31.599 And were you on a twenty four hour shift that day? 1082 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:36.760 I was at some point during the day. Were you 1083 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.519 given kind of what your assignment was for that shift? 1084 00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:40.719 Yes? 1085 00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:42.079 What was your assignment? 1086 00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.360 So that day, I mean we all kind of float 1087 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.639 around a little bit, but we had a newer member 1088 00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.239 that had made progress. He was an EMT and then 1089 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:56.199 made it to paramedic. So I was kind of what 1090 00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:57.360 they called the backup guy. 1091 00:51:57.559 --> 00:51:58.559 So I would do. 1092 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.480 Whatever fill in needed to be don and I would 1093 00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:03.159 assist with them if necessary. 1094 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:05.239 Okay, And so were you kind of assigned to the 1095 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.519 ambulance at the central station as that backup person? 1096 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:09.280 I was. 1097 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:12.280 And the person that you identified was kind of the 1098 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:13.480 newer employee. 1099 00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.880 What was his name, paramedic Dougherity, And that. 1100 00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.639 Would be Daniel Doherty, Daniel Darty. And who was the 1101 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.960 other Duxbury firefighter that was assigned to the ambulance that 1102 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:24.639 that you would have. 1103 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:25.840 Been paramedic Kevin Heath. 1104 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:34.679 So at approximately six o'clock or just after six pm, 1105 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:38.400 were you advised of a dispatch to a residence in 1106 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.360 the town of Duxbury. Yes, And where was that dispatch 1107 00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:42.000 going to take you? 1108 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.800 So it was going to take us to Summer Street. 1109 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:53.159 And so you and Firefighter Heath and Firefighter Doherty. Uh, 1110 00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:57.239 you all get in the ambulance, correct, And do you 1111 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:02.239 go to forty seven Summer Street. Who was in the 1112 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.559 ambulance who was assigned as kind of the driver in 1113 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:05.000 the tech? 1114 00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.920 So at that time, because we had heard, you know, 1115 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.599 what kind of call, we had an idea what call 1116 00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.440 we were going to. The two medics sat up front 1117 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:17.400 and were able to converse while I sat in the back. 1118 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:20.960 And again, was that backup guy more or less? 1119 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:21.400 Okay? 1120 00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:23.880 And as far as the nature of the call that 1121 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:26.719 you believed you were coming into, is it fair to 1122 00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:28.800 say that the initial call had to deal with a 1123 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:33.480 female that had gone out the window, possibly a suicide. 1124 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:38.079 Yeah, as I remember it was a second floor fall. 1125 00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:40.360 At the time that you were dispatched to that location. 1126 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.239 Did you know that there was any pediatric patients or 1127 00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:44.159 children involved? 1128 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:45.760 No? 1129 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:48.239 Now, how approximately how long did it take to get 1130 00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:51.920 from the station Central Station to forty seven Summer Street 1131 00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:52.199 If you. 1132 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:54.639 Call, I'm going to say four to five minutes. 1133 00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:57.880 And when you arrived on scene? Were there already other 1134 00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:01.920 emergency personnel on scene? Were you the first ambulance on 1135 00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:05.400 the scene we were? How about fire trucks? Were there 1136 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.079 any other fire trucks from Duxbury? 1137 00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:08.920 The fire truck you could hear it in the background, 1138 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:09.960 but it wasn't there yet. 1139 00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:11.760 So is it fair to say that there were some 1140 00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:14.559 Duxbury police cruisers that had arrived just ahead of you? 1141 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:15.280 Correct? 1142 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.559 Where did you go with the ambulance when you got 1143 00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.000 to that address of forty seven Summer Street. 1144 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:23.840 So as we were pulling up, I could hear the 1145 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.719 two guys up front say the cruises are. 1146 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.199 In the way of the driveway. 1147 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.840 So I said, okay, you guys take the call, meaning 1148 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:34.880 get out of the car and get started, Get out 1149 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:36.920 of the truck and get started, and I'll take care 1150 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:37.440 of the truck. 1151 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:42.960 And so when you come to the address, are you 1152 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.360 able to at least pull into the driver at some point? 1153 00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:50.880 Not at that point, I because I was in the back, 1154 00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.679 I switched to the driver's seat, and at that time 1155 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:55.760 I saw an officer coming and he was getting ready 1156 00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:58.360 to move the vehicle that was in our way. 1157 00:54:58.239 --> 00:54:59.199 So that I could back in. 1158 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.239 And so were you able to then back the vehicle 1159 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:03.840 back the ambulance into the driveway? 1160 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:04.480 It was? 1161 00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.559 And were there other vehicles that were not emergency personnel 1162 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:08.599 vehicles in the driveway. 1163 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:12.559 There might have been some of their vehicles, but there 1164 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.039 might have been, but I don't really I had enough 1165 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.039 room to put my vehicle there, and that's all they hated. 1166 00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:21.440 Okay, So when you backed the ambulance in, Firefighter Heath 1167 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:23.000 and Firefighter Doherty, what did they do? 1168 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:25.280 They had already jumped out. 1169 00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:27.880 They had already jumped out, grabbed the gear and taken 1170 00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:29.280 off for the back of the house. 1171 00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:32.679 Once you got the ambulance secured in the driveway, what 1172 00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:33.199 did you do? 1173 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.239 So, assuming that they were going to need a stretcher, 1174 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.159 I started pulling a stretcher out of the back of 1175 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:39.800 the ambulance. 1176 00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:42.599 And again you said you backed the ambulance in correct. 1177 00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.480 As you were pulling the stretcher out of the back 1178 00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.239 of the ambulance, did you observe somebody coming from the house. 1179 00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:50.159 Yes, what did you see? 1180 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:54.920 One of the police officers was carrying a child, and so. 1181 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:56.559 What did you do when you saw him carrying the 1182 00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:57.559 child out of the house. 1183 00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:01.400 So at that point, the stretcher was almost out of the. 1184 00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:04.639 Vehicle, and I said, over here, and he placed them 1185 00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:05.239 on the stretcher. 1186 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:09.199 Were you able to make observations of the child as 1187 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:12.559 he's being placed on the stretcher? I was, What did 1188 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:13.039 he look like? 1189 00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:19.280 So his face was blue, he had marks around his neck, 1190 00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:21.840 and his body was pale. 1191 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:28.280 And so once the officer or first off, was the 1192 00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:30.079 officer somebody you knew from Duxbury? 1193 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:31.880 Correct? Whose officer? Homestead? 1194 00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:32.719 Okay? 1195 00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:36.760 And once the child was placed on the stretcher, what 1196 00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:40.039 did you do after you made that initial observations of him? 1197 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.199 So we rolled it right inside so he could start 1198 00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:44.960 doing CPR. 1199 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.960 Now, as an EMT, what is the first thing you 1200 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:52.639 generally do when you're observing a patient or assessing a patient? 1201 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:59.000 So you always look for response, and you go for airway. 1202 00:56:58.199 --> 00:56:59.800 And fair to say, there's kind of what they call 1203 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:02.840 the ABC's correct. Can you tell the jurors what that means? 1204 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:07.320 So it's a way breathing, circulation, And in this circumstance, 1205 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.960 were you able to observe the child breathing on his own? 1206 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:11.559 No? 1207 00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:16.719 How about were you able to secure an airway for him? 1208 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:17.199 Not? 1209 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:19.920 At that time we were still doing this. 1210 00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:27.920 Deplominary And how about circulation or pulse or cardiac activity? 1211 00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:29.800 Were you able to determine any of that upon your 1212 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:33.079 initial assessment of him at that point. Now, now, after 1213 00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:35.360 you are in the back of the ambulance, do other 1214 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.360 EMTs or other paramedics come and assist. 1215 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:39.760 You with the child? 1216 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:40.599 Yes? 1217 00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:44.119 So when the patient was getting rolled in, I also 1218 00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:46.360 yelled out to my captain, hoping that he was going 1219 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:47.880 to hear me, that I needed a medic in my 1220 00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.039 truck because I needed him to know that there was 1221 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:54.480 some many in my truck. And I'm assuming someone heard 1222 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.840 me and they then directed a medic to my truck 1223 00:57:58.840 --> 00:57:59.760 once one appeared. 1224 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:03.559 Okay, And so the medic that came to the track 1225 00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:09.760 was that Keith Nettie. Yes, And that was not the 1226 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:13.559 original person who went to the scene with you in 1227 00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:18.760 the ambulance, Was it correct? And what what happened when 1228 00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:22.000 you had the child in the back of the ambulance, 1229 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:25.000 What did you guys do to try to tend to him. 1230 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:32.719 So we started, we were doing CPR, and then there 1231 00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:36.079 was a he wanted to check the monitor, so we 1232 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:37.320 we get the monitor. 1233 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.840 Out and. 1234 00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.960 With the monitor, what was the monitor supposed to be 1235 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.880 looking for? And so do you have to kind of 1236 00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.679 hook that up to the patient in order to assess 1237 00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:55.440 whether there's any activity? And those monitors that you have 1238 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.960 in your equipment, do they do anything more than just 1239 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:01.719 check for heart rate? 1240 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:04.800 The paramedic can then look and see what kind of 1241 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:06.719 not just a heart rate, but a rhythm. 1242 00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.000 And then if there is not a rhythm, does that 1243 00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:14.719 machine help you to do anything to try to restart somebody's. 1244 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:18.880 Heart with a rhythm with the rhythm that they gave us, 1245 00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:22.840 They said you can, we can disconnect it because they 1246 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:26.800 were concerned they needed more, They needed the monitor downstairs too, 1247 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:28.519 or elsewhere. 1248 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:30.800 And is it fair to say that at that point 1249 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:35.239 you are assisting the paramedic with their assessment and running 1250 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:36.760 that equipment and checking the monitor. 1251 00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.159 I'll allow it, but let's kind of move on. 1252 00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:46.199 I'm sorry, that's okay. Yes, are you assisting the paramedic 1253 00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.880 at that point to treat the child in the ambulance. 1254 00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:50.960 At some point, do you leave the ambulance? 1255 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:51.840 I do? 1256 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:54.800 And where do you go after you leave the ambulance? 1257 00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:57.880 I bring the monitor down to the basement. 1258 00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:01.360 Are the other paramedics in the other responders still working 1259 01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:01.960 on the child? 1260 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:02.719 Correct? 1261 01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:21.719 And to be because my cat uh is setting your 1262 01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:28.239 equipment in the. 1263 01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:28.480 Were you to make observations of those children? 1264 01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:33.199 Not really? I mean they were, they weren't. 1265 01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:36.360 Crying and fair to say they were being treated by others. 1266 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:36.760 Correct. 1267 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.480 And so once you dropped off that equipment, did you 1268 01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:43.719 go back outside? And what ultimately was your role at 1269 01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:45.920 the end of this call? What were you asked to do? 1270 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:47.119 I was asked to drive. 1271 01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:54.880 So so the ambulance that responded from Duxbury, that's ambulance 1272 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:58.079 number one, Ambulance one. Did you drive that ambulance to 1273 01:00:58.119 --> 01:00:58.679 a hospital? 1274 01:00:59.000 --> 01:00:59.320 Correct? 1275 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:00.320 Which hospital was that? 1276 01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:03.199 I forget if it wass a Jordan on the bi now, 1277 01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:04.320 but it's the Plymouth. 1278 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.599 Boss here in Plymouth and that was with Dawson Clancy 1279 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:08.000 in the back. 1280 01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:08.360 Correct. 1281 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:12.639 Correct for the question. 1282 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:18.920 Thank you, Thank you, Trey Wrington, no questions, enjoy your retirement. 1283 01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:23.599 All right, Thank you, sir, Thank you. Tony Buckingham call 1284 01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:37.599 Keiths next, please please good morning, sir, Hi counsel. 1285 01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:40.360 Thank you, good morning, good morning. Could you please tell 1286 01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:41.719 the juris your first and last name? 1287 01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:42.079 Please? 1288 01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:44.599 First name is Keith, last name is Nattie An E. T. 1289 01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.199 T and U. 1290 01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:46.920 Where do you work? 1291 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:47.159 Sir? 1292 01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:48.880 I work for the Duxbury Fire Department. 1293 01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:51.079 How long have you been with the Duxbury Fire Department? 1294 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:52.519 About seventeen years? 1295 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:58.159 And currently working for the Duxbury Fire Department. What is 1296 01:01:58.199 --> 01:01:59.079 your role? 1297 01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.159 What do you do there right now? I'm a captain 1298 01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:03.480 shift commander And. 1299 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.679 Are you a firefighter as well as a trained paramedic? 1300 01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:07.239 Yes? 1301 01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:14.400 At tax Very Fire you all work twenty four hour shifts. 1302 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:14.840 Correct? 1303 01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:15.679 If I draw your. 1304 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:18.440 Attention to January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, do you 1305 01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:20.360 recall working a twenty four hour shift that day? 1306 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:22.639 I was at home, okay? 1307 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:28.639 And so what what was the shift that you were 1308 01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:30.000 working that week if you remember? 1309 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.440 I believe that worked maybe two days prior. I don't 1310 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:34.079 really remember. 1311 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:35.920 Okay, So you were on a day off? 1312 01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:36.480 Yes? 1313 01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:36.920 Correct? 1314 01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.000 And how was it that you ended up being involved 1315 01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:43.039 in the call at forty seven Summer Street on January 1316 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:43.679 twenty fourth? 1317 01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:47.639 We were recalled from via a pager and a text 1318 01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:49.480 message that there was an incident going on and that 1319 01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:50.760 we were to respond. 1320 01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:53.480 So can you explain to us how that works? 1321 01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:57.719 So a tone goes off through dispatch, that sends off 1322 01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:01.000 a pager at our houses that alerts us, and then 1323 01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:03.760 we also get text messages about the incident and then 1324 01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:06.760 respond either to the station or to the scene, whichever 1325 01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:07.960 they request. 1326 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:13.320 As a Duxbury firefighter, are part of your responsibilities to 1327 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:17.320 respond to these these recalls? 1328 01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:18.000 Yes? 1329 01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:19.480 Is it a voluntary thing? 1330 01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:20.079 Yes? 1331 01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.519 So if you weren't disposed or unavailable when a call 1332 01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:26.159 went out a tone went out, would you be expected 1333 01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:27.400 to respond to the scene. 1334 01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:27.760 No? 1335 01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:30.639 But in this case, on January twenty fourth, just after 1336 01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:33.039 six pm, you heard that call go out, correct? 1337 01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:33.559 Correct? 1338 01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:35.239 And so then what did you do when you heard 1339 01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:35.599 the call? 1340 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:37.960 I drove to the scene in my personal truck. 1341 01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:40.480 When you got to the scene, what did you see? 1342 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:45.440 I saw police and fire vehicles. Then I walked up 1343 01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:48.639 the driveway and walked into the back of the ambulance. 1344 01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.519 Now when you arrived and saw police, so that was 1345 01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:56.480 Duxbury Police, correct, And the fire personnel that was on 1346 01:03:56.519 --> 01:03:58.079 the scene who was on the scene. 1347 01:03:58.079 --> 01:03:59.400 If you remember, I. 1348 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:02.880 Only saw two people on scene initially that was Kevin 1349 01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.000 Heath and Sergeant Homestead. 1350 01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:10.039 Okay, and Sergeant Homestead is a Duxberry officer, correct. Now? 1351 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:12.360 Was there a Duxbury ambulance in the driveway when you 1352 01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:12.800 pulled up? 1353 01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:13.199 Yes? 1354 01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:18.519 And before even getting past that ambulance, were you asked 1355 01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:19.079 to assist? 1356 01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:19.679 Yes? 1357 01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.119 What did you see when you came to the back 1358 01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:22.880 of that ambulance? 1359 01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:29.159 I saw an officer, Sergeant Homestead and Kevin Heath doing 1360 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.119 CPR on aa child. 1361 01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:36.039 Had you seen how the child ended up in the 1362 01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:37.440 ambulance or did you come after? 1363 01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:38.440 I came after. 1364 01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:43.800 Did you then help take over with treating that child 1365 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:44.840 in the back of the ambulance? 1366 01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:45.320 Yes? 1367 01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:49.840 What was your initial observation of the patient? What did 1368 01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:50.320 he look like? 1369 01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:51.920 Blue? 1370 01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:56.800 White, non responsive, not breathing, no pules. 1371 01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:59.400 And this particular patient did you come to learn him 1372 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:03.000 to be the child named Dawson Clancy? Yes, and he 1373 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:04.320 is approximately three years old? 1374 01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:04.920 Yes. 1375 01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:07.960 What kind of treatment. 1376 01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:08.880 Did you and. 1377 01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:13.000 The paramedic Heath offer to Dawson in the back of 1378 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:14.079 the ambulance? What did you do? 1379 01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:17.119 We try to start an IVY, then we also start 1380 01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:22.519 in IO, which is kind of like an ivy tried intubation, 1381 01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:26.800 which is advanced airway medications and continued CPR. 1382 01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:32.800 So an ivy, that's just putting a needle into somebody 1383 01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:37.079 and trying to pump fluids in medicine, correct, correct? Tell 1384 01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:38.440 us what an io is in. 1385 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.239 Io inter ossius, which is basically into the bone marrow 1386 01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:43.519 on the on the lower lake. 1387 01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:47.079 So what do you do to try to enter an io? 1388 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:52.159 Usually we have a drill, but we had a manual 1389 01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:52.679 one instead. 1390 01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:56.039 So what do you do with the manual drill to. 1391 01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:56.599 Enter the io? 1392 01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:59.639 You just twist anything it goes. 1393 01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:02.719 Into the bone and where what bone do you do 1394 01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:07.679 you attempt to do this? And were you able to 1395 01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:10.840 over that io into Dawson? 1396 01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:11.599 Yes? 1397 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.679 What is the purpose of the io versus the IV. 1398 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:20.159 If the patient has difficult access, which pediatrics. 1399 01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:25.440 Do, And in this circumstance, what kinds of medication were 1400 01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:27.760 you trying to deliver through the io to Dawson? 1401 01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:28.960 Epinephrin? 1402 01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:30.880 What's the purpose of epinephrine? 1403 01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:34.719 Basically kind of just kind of helps to restart. 1404 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:37.960 The heart and at this point he had no heart activity. 1405 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:38.599 Correct. 1406 01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:42.239 You also mentioned attempts to intubate. Can you tell us 1407 01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:42.920 what that means? 1408 01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:46.239 So intubation is an advanced airway where you put a 1409 01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:50.800 tube into the airway to secure to deliver high flow oxygen. 1410 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:54.159 Were you able to intubate Dawson? 1411 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:55.280 Yes, Kevin Heath did. 1412 01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:00.840 And what do you do when you enter the tool to. 1413 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:05.119 Intubate You go into the mouth and you do a 1414 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:08.239 motion of pulling up to see the vocal course so 1415 01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:09.599 you can pass a tube through. 1416 01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:12.679 And what do you attach to the tube to try 1417 01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:15.039 to increase the breath oxygen? 1418 01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:18.719 And BVM, which is a basically you're squeezing a bag. 1419 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.960 So BVM would stand for bag valve mask. 1420 01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:22.559 Correct. 1421 01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:30.159 While you were treating a Dawson and a making doing 1422 01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:33.599 the airway, intubating him giving in the medicines, were you 1423 01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:37.079 able to observe anything about the area of his neck? 1424 01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:37.880 Yes? 1425 01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:40.400 What did you observe about his neck? 1426 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:43.639 Dark red marks around his neck? 1427 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:50.840 Now, all of this is happening while you are in 1428 01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:55.079 the back of the ambulance with firefighter Heath correct? 1429 01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:55.599 Correct? 1430 01:07:56.199 --> 01:08:00.159 And do you recall another Ducksbury officer being present, Dan Doherty. 1431 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:00.880 Yes. 1432 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:09.039 Eventually was that ambulance then sent to the local hospital? 1433 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:13.440 Which hospital did you guys go to? On the ride 1434 01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:16.479 to the hospital. Did you ever get a pulse for Dawson? 1435 01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:16.960 No? 1436 01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:20.479 Were you ever to able to resume breathing using that 1437 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:26.119 method with about bag valve mask the efforts to give 1438 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:30.039 him the medication epinephrin, did it ever do anything to 1439 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:30.720 start his heart? 1440 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:31.199 No? 1441 01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:37.560 When you arrived at the Beth Israel Hospital emergency department, 1442 01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:40.560 tell us how you transferred the care of the patient. 1443 01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:43.960 We wield a stretcher and we went into the first room, 1444 01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:46.319 which is Trauma one and Trauma two. We moved the 1445 01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:49.159 patient over to their bed, then transfer care. 1446 01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:54.239 While you were at the emergency department at Beth Israel, 1447 01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:56.840 did you see another child from that same home come 1448 01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:59.640 in and what department. 1449 01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:01.119 Brought them in our department, Marshfield? 1450 01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:04.199 Did you do anything to assist Marshfield when they came 1451 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:05.439 through the emergency department. 1452 01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:08.760 I assisted in compressions when they were getting the child 1453 01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:09.560 out of the ambulance. 1454 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:15.880 And is that something that is ongoing during transfer when 1455 01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:18.520 you're trying to transfer care from to the emergency staff. 1456 01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:18.960 Yes. 1457 01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:26.479 Being the father of the children at the emergency department, 1458 01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:29.840 that that evening when you were there and you. 1459 01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:42.600 Can't said and yeah, just basically visually upset. 1460 01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:44.880 Did you do anything yourself to assist him. 1461 01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:47.600 When he was there, I assisted to get a chair 1462 01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:48.680 in case you need to sit down. 1463 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:53.319 And was that before or after the children had passed 1464 01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:54.279 had been declared? 1465 01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:55.600 I believe it was after. 1466 01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:00.760 Thank you? 1467 01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.039 Are you ready to have no questions? Thank you, sir. 1468 01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:05.079 Thank you can be stepped down. Thank you. 1469 01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:09.000 The commonal would call Patrick Dwyer as his next fitness. 1470 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:23.600 M hmmm, same objection. Good morning sir, Yes, the counselor. 1471 01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:29.680 Thank you, Good morning morning. Could you please tell the 1472 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:30.199 juror your. 1473 01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:32.000 First and last name, Patrick Dwyer. 1474 01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:34.479 Can you please spell your last name for the record. 1475 01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:36.039 D w y E R. 1476 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:37.119 And how you employed? 1477 01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:37.399 Sir? 1478 01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:40.600 I'm a firefighter paramedic at the Duxbury. 1479 01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:46.319 Fire And in what capacity are you a firefighter or paramedic? 1480 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:49.079 Do you have any supervisory rules? 1481 01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:51.680 No, I'm not a supervisor at the department. 1482 01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:56.239 Now in your role as a firefighter and a paramedic, 1483 01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:59.359 are you did you receive training for those rules? 1484 01:10:59.640 --> 01:10:59.880 Yes? 1485 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:04.920 And how long have you worked for the Duxbury Fire Department? 1486 01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:07.000 In my eighth year? 1487 01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:10.880 Right now, I'm going to draw your attention tention to 1488 01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:13.520 January twenty fourth of twenty twenty three. Do you recall 1489 01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:14.239 working that day? 1490 01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:14.680 Yes? 1491 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:17.199 Were you on a twenty four hour shift? Yes, and 1492 01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:20.119 so that would be an eight am to eight am correct? 1493 01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:20.600 Correct? 1494 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:25.439 At approximately six o'clock or just after six pm? Where 1495 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:27.399 you dispatch to forty seven Summer Street. 1496 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:28.039 Yes? 1497 01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:31.600 What was your assignment that day on shift? 1498 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:35.600 I was working on the engine out of our station two. 1499 01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:39.239 Where is station two located in the Tanner Duxberry. 1500 01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:40.399 On Franklin Street. 1501 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:44.880 When the dispatch came into forty seven Summer Street. Do 1502 01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:47.359 you know how approximately how long it took you to 1503 01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:49.159 get from station two to the location? 1504 01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:50.640 A few minutes? 1505 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:55.359 Who was working with you at station two that day? 1506 01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:56.600 Jennifer Stratton? 1507 01:11:57.319 --> 01:12:00.319 What were each of your designated roles? 1508 01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:04.560 I believe jen was driving the engine and I was 1509 01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:06.199 an officer seat. 1510 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:10.640 Now at Station two in Duxbury, is it normal for 1511 01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:12.039 just two of you to be on shifts at that 1512 01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:13.439 station at any given time? 1513 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:13.800 Yes? 1514 01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:17.479 Correct, and fair to say there are other firefighters and 1515 01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:21.359 paramedics that are on staff at the central station. Correct. Correct, 1516 01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:26.199 And in this dispatch, you at Station two on the 1517 01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:29.000 engine were dispatched to forty seven Summer Street. 1518 01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:29.960 Correct, that's correct. 1519 01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:35.319 When you received the dispatch did you have any information 1520 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:37.760 that there had been children involved? 1521 01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:38.640 No, we did not. 1522 01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:40.720 When you got to the scene. 1523 01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:44.319 What did you see when we got there? It was 1524 01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:49.159 dark out. We started walking towards the house and the 1525 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:54.439 other firefighters were there before us. Then we were directed 1526 01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:56.560 to go to the basement. 1527 01:12:58.680 --> 01:12:59.640 Before going to. 1528 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:02.279 The basement, where you directed towards the outside of the 1529 01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:04.640 house and then redirected to the basement. 1530 01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:08.000 We were walking towards the backyard, so believe that's where 1531 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:12.119 the first person was located. So we're kind of making 1532 01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:13.000 our way back there. 1533 01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:15.319 So I'm just going to show you what's been previously 1534 01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:16.800 marched as exhibit number thirty four. 1535 01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.600 Can you see it on the screen next to you? Yes, 1536 01:13:22.119 --> 01:13:24.680 and so would this be forty seven. 1537 01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:27.720 Summer Street, Yes, and fair to say you were. 1538 01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:30.760 On your way to the backyard on the left side 1539 01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:32.239 when you were redirected. 1540 01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:32.600 Yes. 1541 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:34.880 Did you ever make it into the backyard? 1542 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.640 We went through the backyard to go into the residence. 1543 01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:46.239 Yes, you could take a look at that screen again. 1544 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:47.039 I'm going to show you. 1545 01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:49.079 Eight. 1546 01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:53.680 Can you see over here sliding glass doors? 1547 01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:56.159 Yes, that where you entered the house. 1548 01:13:56.279 --> 01:14:01.079 Yes, you indicated that you also went to the basement. 1549 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:02.960 Correct, correct. 1550 01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:05.479 When you got into the house and went down into 1551 01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:09.079 the basement, which side did you go to at the 1552 01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:10.680 bottom of the stairs, the right or the left? 1553 01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:12.239 We went down to the left. 1554 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:18.760 What did you observe when you went down into the basement? 1555 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:23.520 We saw two children on the ground and the father 1556 01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:26.079 sitting on the couch next them. 1557 01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:28.479 Again, I'm just going to show you what's been previously 1558 01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:32.399 marked at ninety five. Is that fair to be the 1559 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:33.159 left side? 1560 01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:34.279 Yes? 1561 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:45.760 And exhibit ninety six, where did you see the father? 1562 01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:50.960 I was sitting on a culture something in the area. 1563 01:14:52.039 --> 01:14:53.960 I'm not sure exactly which one. 1564 01:14:56.600 --> 01:14:59.640 Did you also observe the children on the floor? 1565 01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:00.520 Yes? 1566 01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:01.680 How many children? 1567 01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:02.239 Two? 1568 01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:05.920 What did you do when you observed the children? 1569 01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:10.760 We started cpror in cardiac arrest? 1570 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:11.239 Okay? 1571 01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:13.640 And so which child did you work on? 1572 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:15.399 The five year old girl? 1573 01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:18.399 Where was she located. 1574 01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:20.039 On the floor in that room? 1575 01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:22.960 So, as far as looking at exhibit number ninety six, 1576 01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:25.319 does that depict the area at general area where you 1577 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:27.560 saw the five year old child? 1578 01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:28.199 Yes? 1579 01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:30.319 Where did you treat her? 1580 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:31.239 Where did you see her? 1581 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:34.680 Right in that area? I can't remember exactly where it was. 1582 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:39.479 In this photograph of exhibit number ninety six, do you 1583 01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:45.279 see a lot of equipment. Yes, And I'm just going 1584 01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:47.640 to show you Exhibit one oh one two with some 1585 01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:48.439 more equipment. 1586 01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:50.640 Do you see all that equipment there? 1587 01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:51.239 Yes? 1588 01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:55.960 Is that equipment that was used to treat the five 1589 01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:56.680 year old child? 1590 01:15:57.439 --> 01:15:57.760 Yes? 1591 01:15:58.199 --> 01:15:59.920 Did you learn her name to later becore? 1592 01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:01.279 Yes? 1593 01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:06.840 While you were assisting or working with Cora. What was 1594 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:08.319 Jen Stratton doing, your. 1595 01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:11.520 Partner, she was with the other child. 1596 01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:15.840 Do you recall where the other child was in relation 1597 01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:16.439 to Cora? 1598 01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:18.520 And they're kind of right next to each other. 1599 01:16:22.039 --> 01:16:24.880 So again showing you exhibit number ninety six, if you 1600 01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:27.039 look to the middle of the photograph, there's a red 1601 01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:27.960 spot on the floor. 1602 01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:31.399 Is that a fair place where Cora was? 1603 01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:32.439 Yes? 1604 01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:37.239 And would the other child, the younger infant, was he 1605 01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:40.880 closer to the couch or the bed area or was 1606 01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:42.600 he in a different location. 1607 01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:46.079 In the recent Probably more towards the side I would say, 1608 01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:49.640 I can remember when you say this side, like, what 1609 01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:52.199 do you see in the picture to depict where probably 1610 01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:54.000 closer to the cardiac monitor? 1611 01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:58.279 Okay, And can you tell us which is the cardiac monitor? 1612 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:00.920 Is it here at the bottom, Yes, that piece of 1613 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:01.720 equipment right. 1614 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:05.840 There, And again an exhibit one a one. Can you 1615 01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:08.880 see the cardiac wander a little better? 1616 01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:10.199 Yes? 1617 01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.399 Where is it in this photograph? 1618 01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:14.079 Right there? 1619 01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.159 Do you mind just getting up and pointing to it 1620 01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:17.640 on the street? 1621 01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:23.640 So we're talking about this black bag that is sort 1622 01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:27.560 of off center of the photograph next to a blue bag. 1623 01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:30.600 Is that fair to say? 1624 01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:32.600 Sorry? What was the question? 1625 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:34.960 I'm just trying to locate it on the picture for 1626 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:35.439 the record. 1627 01:17:35.479 --> 01:17:38.239 So you pointed to a black bag that's kind of 1628 01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:39.600 off center in this photograph. 1629 01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:40.680 Correct? 1630 01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:43.520 This is oh, thank you. 1631 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:49.279 When you started to treat Kora, what were your observations 1632 01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:50.800 of her when you came upon her. 1633 01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:54.520 I noticed she kind of like she had some burst 1634 01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:56.159 blood vessels around her eyes. 1635 01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:02.000 Did you make any observation of the color of her. 1636 01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:08.439 Skin that was kind of pale bluish? 1637 01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:11.039 When you approach the patient, what's the first thing that 1638 01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:12.199 you do to assess them. 1639 01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:15.359 I check for a breathing, check for a pulse. 1640 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:17.880 Did she have a pulse? 1641 01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:18.359 No? 1642 01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:19.399 Was she breathing? 1643 01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:19.760 No? 1644 01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:23.399 And when you're doing those things, are you able to 1645 01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:27.319 make observations of the area around their face, like their 1646 01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:28.119 nose in their mouth. 1647 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:28.840 Yes. 1648 01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:32.560 In this circumstance with Cora, did you notice anything around. 1649 01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:37.079 Her mouth, around her mouth, not that I can recall. 1650 01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:41.520 When you are trying to assess her breathing. Is there 1651 01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:44.960 anything you do to try to resuscitate somebody or. 1652 01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:46.279 Get them to breathe. 1653 01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:49.760 Yes, you would use a bag valve mask to help 1654 01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:50.399 them breathe. 1655 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:52.159 Did you do that for Cora. 1656 01:18:52.520 --> 01:18:54.840 Eventually when we get the equipment down there. Yes? 1657 01:18:55.880 --> 01:18:59.560 And were you able to use that device and get 1658 01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:00.520 her to breathe on your own? 1659 01:19:01.199 --> 01:19:01.279 No? 1660 01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:07.039 And while you're utilizing that bag valve mask, fair to say, 1661 01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:10.800 you're in close contact and making observations of the patient's 1662 01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:11.880 face and mouth correct. 1663 01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:12.720 Yes. 1664 01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:15.680 And you indicated that you're not sure if you were 1665 01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:17.760 called seeing anything around her mouth. 1666 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:23.159 Not nothing particularly that I can think of approach. 1667 01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:29.000 I'm sure you And if you can read nineteen to yourself. 1668 01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:36.199 That fresh memory, what did you have in. 1669 01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:37.439 Or around Cora's mouth? 1670 01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:39.600 That you did have some blood in our mouth? 1671 01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:44.279 Did eventually other emergency staff come down and help you 1672 01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:48.479 with rendering aid on Korra Yes? And fair to say 1673 01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:51.800 one of the things that you do is maintain compressions 1674 01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:52.399 and CPR. 1675 01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:53.039 Yes. 1676 01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:55.199 And can you do that by yourself or do you 1677 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:56.640 often have to have somebody help. 1678 01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:00.560 We usually have multiple people working, and in. 1679 01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:03.439 This circumstance with the treatment of Cora, other people came 1680 01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:04.600 and helped you with those things. 1681 01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:05.000 Yes. 1682 01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:08.600 Were you eventually able to prepare her to leave the basement. 1683 01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:12.279 Area, Yes, once we get more first responders down there, 1684 01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:13.159 and fair to. 1685 01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:17.199 Say there was first responders from other departments that came 1686 01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:21.079 and helped prepare to bring Cora out of the basement. Correct. 1687 01:20:21.279 --> 01:20:21.560 Yes. 1688 01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:23.800 Do you recall how she left the basement? 1689 01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:27.399 We took her out of a basement on a backboard 1690 01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:29.840 up the bulkhead stairs. 1691 01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:34.239 And the firefighters that were assisting putting on the back ard. 1692 01:20:34.319 --> 01:20:35.600 Do you remember where they were from? 1693 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:36.960 What town Marshfield? 1694 01:20:39.239 --> 01:20:42.560 When Core was placed into an ambulance? Do you remember 1695 01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:44.039 what ambulance she was placed. 1696 01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:45.520 Into, Marshfield Ambulance. 1697 01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:48.359 Did you continue to help assist them when she was 1698 01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:49.279 put in the ambulance? 1699 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:50.960 Yes, I went to a hospital with them. 1700 01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:54.479 And do you remember who the office or the firefighters 1701 01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:56.840 were that were from Marshfield that were helping. 1702 01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:03.479 You, Ah, Yes, Andrew Wilkins, Brian Ryan, Henry and Kerry 1703 01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:05.600 Cover and fair to. 1704 01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:08.199 Say Andrew and Ryan were in the back of the 1705 01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:11.079 ambulance with you, correct, Yes, and Carrie was driving. 1706 01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:15.760 I believe she was in the back also, Okay. 1707 01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:19.000 At some point somebody happed in the front seat and drove. 1708 01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:20.199 Yes. 1709 01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:23.520 And when you got to the hospital which hospital did 1710 01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:24.479 you transport to. 1711 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:25.960 Betha Israel Plymouth? 1712 01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:30.479 Where efforts continued to be made in that transport from 1713 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:32.399 Duxbury to Beth Israel and Plymouth. 1714 01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:32.800 Yes. 1715 01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:38.239 While inside of the ambulance, did you try to use 1716 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:41.720 that use one of those cardiac machines to shock or 1717 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:44.000 differbillate Cora? 1718 01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:44.479 Yes? 1719 01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:46.359 Was there any result for that? 1720 01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:50.319 We chocked once but did not regain pulses. 1721 01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:55.039 And when you got to the hospital, did you transfer 1722 01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:57.359 care to the emergency staff at Beth Israel? 1723 01:21:57.640 --> 01:21:57.960 Yes? 1724 01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:01.880 And did you do anything further and the Karen treatment 1725 01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:03.479 of Cora not. 1726 01:22:03.479 --> 01:22:07.680 Once we transferred care. It's ring good, no question, Thank 1727 01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:10.159 you sir. All right, thank you, so me sip down. 1728 01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:14.079 Thanks cool, Tree Spring. 1729 01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:17.239 Calls Jennifer Stratton, just go right there. 1730 01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:18.760 Thank good morning. 1731 01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:21.159 All right, I'm going to ask you to keep your 1732 01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:22.960 voice up so the jury can gain you. 1733 01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:26.119 Okay, great, thank you, yeah, Tree Spray. 1734 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:28.039 Thank you, good morning. Can you please stay and spell 1735 01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:28.880 your name for the record. 1736 01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:33.079 Yes, Jennifer Stratton J E N N I F E 1737 01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:35.880 R S T R A T T O N in 1738 01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:38.439 your day of birth July eleventh to nineteen eighty six. 1739 01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:41.640 Where do you work Duxbury Fire Department And how long 1740 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:43.039 have you been a Duxbury firefighter? 1741 01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:44.199 Twelve years? 1742 01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:45.600 Are you also a paramedic? 1743 01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:45.920 Yes? 1744 01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:48.520 And how long have you been a paramedic about thirteen 1745 01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:52.039 And have you completed all the training and certification required 1746 01:22:52.039 --> 01:22:52.800 to be a paramedic? 1747 01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:53.199 Yes. 1748 01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:57.199 I want to direct your attention to January twenty fourth, 1749 01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:59.640 twenty twenty three. Were you working that day? 1750 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:00.359 Yes? I was? 1751 01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:02.439 And were you working at twenty four hour shift that 1752 01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:03.479 started at eight am? 1753 01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:03.920 Yes? 1754 01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:07.800 And were you part of a crew that was dispatched 1755 01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.520 to forty seven Summer Street just after six pm? 1756 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:10.840 Yes? 1757 01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:13.119 And who was with you in that crew? 1758 01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:17.640 Firefighter Patrick Dwyer was with me in the engine that night. 1759 01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:21.119 And approximately how long did it take you to get 1760 01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:24.159 from the station you were located at to forty seven 1761 01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:25.159 Summer Street. 1762 01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:26.479 Maybe four or five minutes? 1763 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:28.399 And were you driving? 1764 01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:29.479 I was driving that night. 1765 01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:31.600 What did you see when you arrived? 1766 01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:36.119 Pulled up to the address, saw our ambulance crew. They 1767 01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:38.760 had arrived just before we did. They were starting to 1768 01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:39.920 walk to the back. 1769 01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:40.199 Of the house. 1770 01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:44.079 And did you follow yes? And what did you see 1771 01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:44.800 in the backyard? 1772 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:50.039 Came to the backyard, saw Firefighter Dan Doherty kneeling next 1773 01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:52.720 to a person. It was very dark, ended up being 1774 01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:57.800 Miss Clancy. That was all we saw for a few seconds. 1775 01:23:58.159 --> 01:23:59.840 And at that point, did you hear something? 1776 01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:02.279 We did heard a voice yelling for us to get 1777 01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:04.239 inside of the house, that there was a kid hanging 1778 01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:04.880 in the basement. 1779 01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:08.319 And did you go into the house? We did? And 1780 01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:10.640 what entrance? Did you go in through the slider doors 1781 01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:13.800 in the rear and did that lead you into the kitchen? 1782 01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:14.279 Yes? 1783 01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:17.479 And then did you proceed to the basement yes? When 1784 01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:20.039 you got down to the basement, down the basement stairs. 1785 01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:22.079 Would it be accurate to state that you can either 1786 01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:22.960 go right or left? 1787 01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:23.439 Yes? 1788 01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:24.720 Which direction did you go? 1789 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:25.520 We took a left? 1790 01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:28.680 And what did you see when you went left? 1791 01:24:29.239 --> 01:24:33.159 We took a left, and we saw Callen and Cora 1792 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:34.520 face up on the ground. 1793 01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:37.600 And when you saw them, what did you do? 1794 01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:41.119 I immediately jumped on the radio to ask for two 1795 01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:45.079 additional ambulances, that we needed more help, and we Patrick 1796 01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:47.600 ran to Cora and I went to Callan. 1797 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:56.520 And as Exhibit one hundred, is this the room that 1798 01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:57.119 you entered? 1799 01:24:58.359 --> 01:24:58.680 Yes? 1800 01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:03.279 And where was Cora to your memory? 1801 01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:03.479 Uh? 1802 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:06.880 Cora was uh just to be left in this picture 1803 01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:08.960 and Callen was just the right. 1804 01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:11.840 And when you say just to the left, are you 1805 01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:15.000 putting over towards the equipment against the wall in the picture? 1806 01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:15.880 Yes? 1807 01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:19.000 And when you say to the right, are you pointing 1808 01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:19.600 to the. 1809 01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:24.000 Area to the right of the dresser, yes, showing you 1810 01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:30.600 Exhibit ninety eight. Is that the area where Callen was found? 1811 01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:30.920 Yes? 1812 01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.840 And close up Exhibit ninety nine. Do you see the 1813 01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:38.720 pajamas there, the stethoscope in the blue exercise band. 1814 01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:39.119 Yes. 1815 01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:45.199 Do you you recall or moving Callen's pajamas. 1816 01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:49.880 Trita, I did, yes, Bill. 1817 01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:52.920 When you when you went over to Callen, you remove 1818 01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:54.680 his clothing? What do you what do you do after that? 1819 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:57.880 I didn't remove his entire uh? Ones you right away 1820 01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:01.439 made sure that checked him for a pulse he did 1821 01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:04.479 not have one, immediately started chest compressions on him. 1822 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:08.079 Now, for this is an eight month old baby. Is 1823 01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:11.000 the way you do chest compressions for a baby different 1824 01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:12.520 than other people other ages? 1825 01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:13.159 Yes? 1826 01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:15.279 Because of the size you have to scoop your arms 1827 01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:17.680 around and you compress with your thumbs and stud. 1828 01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:22.359 Oh wow, so you said you have to put your 1829 01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:24.680 hands underneath on the back of the child and then 1830 01:26:24.760 --> 01:26:27.359 use your thumbs to do compressions. Yes, is that what 1831 01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:28.119 you did for Callen? 1832 01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:28.560 Yes? 1833 01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:31.239 And what did you do next? 1834 01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:36.800 Continued CPR on him until more help and hands started 1835 01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:39.920 to arrive on scene. We had an off duty firefighter, 1836 01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:43.399 Tom Brandt come in and he started to assist me. 1837 01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:47.119 He took over compressions briefly while more help started to arrive. 1838 01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:50.680 When Brant took over chess compressions, what did. 1839 01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:52.399 You do at that point? 1840 01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:55.439 Someone had brought down a bag valve mass to help 1841 01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:57.520 us deliver oxygen to the child. 1842 01:26:57.920 --> 01:26:59.800 And we started delivering oxygen to the child. 1843 01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:06.239 And at some point did you remove the pajamas completely? 1844 01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:11.039 And when you removed the pajamas completely? Was that so 1845 01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:15.640 someone could attempt to get IOE access through the baby's legs? 1846 01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:18.119 And was that successful? 1847 01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:19.439 That was not successful? 1848 01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:23.319 Now is that difficult to do with a child that age? 1849 01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:26.279 It's a little more difficult, so it's a less frequent 1850 01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:27.039 practice skill. 1851 01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:31.800 But were multiple attempts made to get the ivy and 1852 01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:33.760 access into the bone in Kellen's leg. 1853 01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:38.800 I attempted once, and another provider attempted a second time. 1854 01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:39.720 I don't remember who that. 1855 01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:46.000 Was, and neither neither attempt was successful. What did you 1856 01:27:46.039 --> 01:27:50.479 do next? What was your answer for what? I'm sorry, 1857 01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:52.279 was either attempted successful? 1858 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:52.720 No? 1859 01:27:54.279 --> 01:27:55.239 What did you do next? 1860 01:27:57.319 --> 01:28:03.520 Eventually can and Fire arrived on scene to provide the 1861 01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:07.560 ambulance for transport for Callen. I don't know how long 1862 01:28:07.560 --> 01:28:09.039 we were in the base before, but we did make 1863 01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:11.000 the decision eventually it was time to get moving to 1864 01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:13.119 the truck and start going to the hospital. 1865 01:28:14.319 --> 01:28:16.319 While you were working on Callen, did you notice any 1866 01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:17.159 injuries on him? 1867 01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:21.279 Yes, he had deep strangulation marks around the entire circumference. 1868 01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:23.800 Of his neck and throughout the entire time that you're 1869 01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:28.000 in the basement, our chest compressions being done and you're 1870 01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:29.399 trying to assist him with breathing. 1871 01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:29.680 Yes. 1872 01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:32.640 Did he in the home ever gain a pulse or 1873 01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:33.560 the ability to breathe? 1874 01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:33.720 No? 1875 01:28:33.800 --> 01:28:34.199 He did not. 1876 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:38.199 Was he eventually taken to the ambulance? 1877 01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:38.640 Yes? 1878 01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:40.800 And how was he removed from the basement and brought 1879 01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:41.560 to the ambulance. 1880 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.439 I scooped him up in my arms and carried him outside. 1881 01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:49.359 To the truck and did you go with him in 1882 01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:52.239 that transport to the hospital. Yes, And at any point 1883 01:28:52.279 --> 01:28:54.760 in time did he regain the ability to breathe or 1884 01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:56.840 heartbeat during that transport? 1885 01:28:57.039 --> 01:28:57.640 No he did not. 1886 01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:03.319 Was care transferred to medical staff at Beth and this 1887 01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:08.640 is real, Deaconess Plymouth, Yes, they were nothing further, Thank. 1888 01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:11.760 You, thanks great, thank you. 1889 01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:19.920 Be sipped down for come well calls. Robert Costanzo, Sure Constanzo? 1890 01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:32.079 Wait this week? Good movie? Soon morning? Yes? Please, thank you? 1891 01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:34.000 Good morning. Can you please state and spell your. 1892 01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:37.600 Name for the record, It's Robert Costanzo cos T A 1893 01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:38.479 n z O. 1894 01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:40.000 And your day of birth please? 1895 01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:41.800 Four twenty four, nineteen eighty five. 1896 01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:45.199 Where do you work I Broke Fire Department and how 1897 01:29:45.239 --> 01:29:46.720 long have you been a Pembroke firefighter? 1898 01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:48.399 I've been there since twenty eleven. 1899 01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:50.119 And are you also a paramedic? 1900 01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:50.560 I am? 1901 01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:52.239 How long have you been a paramedic? 1902 01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:56.680 I've been with Pembroke for since twenty eleven when I 1903 01:29:56.720 --> 01:29:58.279 started an EMS in two thousand and six. 1904 01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:01.960 And have you on all the training and certification required 1905 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:03.279 to be a paramedic? 1906 01:30:03.439 --> 01:30:03.600 Yes? 1907 01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:07.119 I want to direct your attention to January twenty fourth, 1908 01:30:07.239 --> 01:30:09.479 twenty twenty three. Were you working that day? 1909 01:30:09.640 --> 01:30:09.800 Yes? 1910 01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:10.119 I was. 1911 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:12.520 And were you working in overtime shift that day? 1912 01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:12.840 Yes? 1913 01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:15.239 What was your role on that shift? 1914 01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:16.640 I was assigned to the ambulance. 1915 01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:21.640 And at some point after six pm that day, was 1916 01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:25.319 there a call put out by Duxbury Fire Department for 1917 01:30:25.479 --> 01:30:26.119 mutual aid? 1918 01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:26.600 Yes? 1919 01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:30.920 And being members of the Pembroke Fire Department, did you 1920 01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:33.279 respond to that request from mutual aid? 1921 01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:33.560 Yes? 1922 01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:34.960 Who responded? 1923 01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:37.960 It was me and my partner who was your partner, 1924 01:30:38.079 --> 01:30:38.600 Dan Smith? 1925 01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:43.319 And did you go in an ambulance or some type 1926 01:30:43.319 --> 01:30:47.000 of engine an ambulance? And did you respond to the 1927 01:30:47.079 --> 01:30:49.640 area of forty seven Summer Street, Yes, we did, And 1928 01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:51.760 approximately how long did it take you to get there? 1929 01:30:53.239 --> 01:30:54.800 Between five and eight minutes. 1930 01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:56.319 When you arrived. 1931 01:30:56.760 --> 01:30:59.920 What did you see There were multiple pieces of equipment, 1932 01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:02.640 other ambulances, police cars. 1933 01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:08.000 When you arrived. Were you directed to the backyard yes? 1934 01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:11.800 And did you see a patient there in the backyard? 1935 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:12.159 Yes? 1936 01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:14.279 We did And where was she located? 1937 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:18.079 She was on the ground with a Duxbury firefighter. She 1938 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:20.760 was already sea spined on a long board with a collar. 1939 01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:23.279 She was unresponsive but breathing on the ground. 1940 01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:25.680 And did you learn her name? Was Lindsay Clancy. Yes, 1941 01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:28.279 And when you say she was already on a board 1942 01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:30.319 with the c spine, what type of equipment are we 1943 01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:33.239 talking about and if you could just explain to the jars. 1944 01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:36.000 So it's just a long flat board that we used 1945 01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:41.039 to secure people when there's possible spinal injury, and she 1946 01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:43.119 already had the collar on her neck. 1947 01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:45.119 They had already started. 1948 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.199 Treatment prior to our arrival, so they had her all 1949 01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:50.520 secured to the long backboard with the caller applied. 1950 01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:53.680 And did you notice anything about her wrists at that time? 1951 01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:58.880 Yes, her wrists were bandaged previously assuming some kind of injury. 1952 01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:03.119 There was no active bleeding or anything through the bandage. 1953 01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:04.720 It was just but her wristware bandaged. 1954 01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:08.000 Was it white bandaging? Yes, and so nothing was seeping 1955 01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:12.399 through to your eye. Did you see anything on her 1956 01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:12.920 neck area. 1957 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:16.880 She had some superficial lacerations that we could see around 1958 01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:20.359 the collar, but we don't typically remove equipment after it's 1959 01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:23.840 already been placed, so I didn't investigate any further than that. 1960 01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:26.079 There was no active bleeding that I could see, so 1961 01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:27.479 we just left it alone. 1962 01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:29.560 So there was even with the collar, there was nothing, 1963 01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:32.159 no blood flowing out of the collar or pooling around 1964 01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:32.920 her or anything like that. 1965 01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:33.439 Correct. 1966 01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:37.359 Was she breathing? 1967 01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:38.000 She was? 1968 01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.640 Was she responsive? No? Was she making any noise at all? 1969 01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:46.880 She was moaning and groaning, but no words, no verbal response. 1970 01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:49.199 Did you bring her to your ambulance? 1971 01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:49.920 Yes, we did. 1972 01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:55.760 And when you got to the ambulance, what was your role? 1973 01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:59.880 I was the tech in charge, so we did at 1974 01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:02.159 much of an assessment as we could without removing her 1975 01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:06.279 from the board, to look for any further injuries other 1976 01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:09.119 than the injuries that the Duxbury Fire Department had already found. 1977 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:12.960 We didn't find any further injuries, and then we continue 1978 01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:14.760 to treatment vital signs and such. 1979 01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:18.520 When you did the assessment, did you look at her head? 1980 01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:19.000 Yes? 1981 01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:21.479 Were there any cuts or bumps or dents that you 1982 01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:22.319 noticed in our head? 1983 01:33:22.439 --> 01:33:23.239 Not that we noticed. 1984 01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:28.159 Now, what about her arms? Other than the bandaging on 1985 01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:32.840 her wrist? Were there any cuts, obvious broken bones or 1986 01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:34.479 injuries to our arms or our hands? 1987 01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:37.479 No obvious broken bones or anything. 1988 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:37.640 No. 1989 01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:42.960 And you said you were the tech. What does that mean? 1990 01:33:43.800 --> 01:33:46.439 I was the medic that was in charge. It's one 1991 01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:51.359 or the other. You're either assisting the medic that's in charge, 1992 01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:53.680 or you're the medic in charge. So I was the 1993 01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:54.600 medic in charge and. 1994 01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:56.359 Was anyone else in the back of the ambulance with 1995 01:33:56.439 --> 01:33:59.640 you treating Mss Clancy? Yes, my partner, Dan Smith, who 1996 01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:01.800 was dry in the ambulance if you recall it was. 1997 01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:03.199 Our deputy chief Jim Shay. 1998 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:08.279 And do you recall which hospital you went to? 1999 01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:09.439 Selcial Hospital? 2000 01:34:10.239 --> 01:34:14.119 While you're well, let me ask you, how long approximately 2001 01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:16.600 did it take you to get from forty seven in 2002 01:34:16.640 --> 01:34:18.920 Summer Street in Duxbury to Celfial Hospital. 2003 01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:25.039 It's typically about from Pembroke. It would be about fifteen minutes, 2004 01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:26.159 so it would be a little bit longer than that. 2005 01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:28.840 I'm not sure the exact time, so probably maybe eighteen minutes. 2006 01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:33.680 And while you're in that transport in the back of 2007 01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:38.279 the ambulance, after you've done this examination of Lindsay Clancy 2008 01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:39.840 to see if there are any other injuries, what do 2009 01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:40.399 you do next? 2010 01:34:41.319 --> 01:34:44.520 So we would start treatment. So we started put into 2011 01:34:44.760 --> 01:34:49.520 IVS as a precaution and any other treatment that was needed. 2012 01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:53.319 So we noticed that her pupils were constricted and she 2013 01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:59.880 was unresponsive, so we treated for a potential opioid overdose. 2014 01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:03.680 We gave two milligrams a narcan, and she seemed to 2015 01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:09.399 become a little bit more agitated, reaching trying to grab 2016 01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:14.279 and reaching out with their arms, but no verbal communication. 2017 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:15.960 She never like fully woke up. 2018 01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:20.359 And have you given narkan to individuals in the past 2019 01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:22.199 in your role as a paramedic? 2020 01:35:22.479 --> 01:35:22.840 Yes, I have. 2021 01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:26.239 What is a typical reaction when you give a patient narcan? 2022 01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:29.039 It depends on the drug that they took or the 2023 01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:33.319 amount of drugs that they took. But depending on what 2024 01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:36.800 they take, they usually their respirations will go up, their 2025 01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:39.479 pupils will get a little bigger. Sometimes they fully wake up. 2026 01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:40.960 We know who they are. 2027 01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:43.199 The patient. 2028 01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:47.279 And you were referring to patients that you've dealt with 2029 01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:48.800 in the past in your role as a paramedic. 2030 01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:49.520 Is that's correct? 2031 01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:54.199 Yes, And so they would often wake up when given narcan? 2032 01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:54.920 Yes? 2033 01:35:55.840 --> 01:35:59.760 And what type of drugs based on your training experience, 2034 01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:00.840 does narcan work on? 2035 01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:05.880 We're trying to use it for opioid overdoses, so heroin, fentanyl, 2036 01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:07.479 other drugs like that. 2037 01:36:07.720 --> 01:36:12.439 Okay, And does narkan typically work on benzo diazepine. 2038 01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:14.399 We are not trained to use it for any other 2039 01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:15.920 anything other than opioids. 2040 01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:20.640 And when you gave Lindsay Clancy the narcan, she did 2041 01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:24.880 not wake up. Correct? No, did you provide any other 2042 01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:28.239 care to Lindsay Clancy on the way to the hospital. 2043 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:30.840 Just continue to monitor vitals and make sure there was 2044 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:31.479 no decline. 2045 01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:35.279 And once you arrived at the hospital, did you transfer 2046 01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:37.359 her care to the hospital staff? 2047 01:36:37.560 --> 01:36:38.039 Yes, we did. 2048 01:36:40.920 --> 01:36:41.760 No other questions. 2049 01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:46.119 So you're not trained in that can on benzo diazepin. 2050 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:46.760 Is that correct? 2051 01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:48.640 Yeah, we don't give it for benzo diazepine. 2052 01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:51.000 And in any event, when you gave narkan to the 2053 01:36:51.079 --> 01:36:53.640 body that was laying on the ground, she had already. 2054 01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:54.680 Been wrapped up on her wrist. 2055 01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:58.000 Right, that's already been wrapped up, or had the thing 2056 01:36:58.079 --> 01:36:59.920 on the neck to prevent the head from moving right, 2057 01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:00.560 that's correct. 2058 01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:04.560 And also I had bandages perhaps on her neck area. 2059 01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:05.119 I'm not sure. 2060 01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:07.560 There were no bandages that I could see because it's 2061 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:08.359 the collar blocks. 2062 01:37:08.479 --> 01:37:09.840 Yeah, most of it. I could see. 2063 01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:11.640 There are some holes in the collar that we could 2064 01:37:11.680 --> 01:37:15.640 see some superficial lacerations through, but there was no active bleeding. 2065 01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:17.479 Her wrists were already bandaged, so we don't take the 2066 01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:18.840 bandages off after they're on. 2067 01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:21.560 There was no bloods good, I asked the questions you 2068 01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:26.600 can answer, Okay, I can administered to Lindsey Clancy. 2069 01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:28.960 On the ground, Yes, in the ambulance, but yes. 2070 01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:32.359 And there was no reaction. It didn't have any effect 2071 01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:32.800 on her. 2072 01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:37.079 Right, she appeared to become a little bit more. She 2073 01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:39.520 started like reaching and grabbing a little bit more than 2074 01:37:39.560 --> 01:37:40.279 she was before. 2075 01:37:40.399 --> 01:37:44.039 That's consistent as well with the person who's had a 2076 01:37:44.119 --> 01:37:48.399 head injury, right, could be. Yeah, So in any event 2077 01:37:48.479 --> 01:37:52.399 that I can that you trained would be dealing with opioids, right, Yes, 2078 01:37:52.479 --> 01:37:56.279 that's correct. Now, did you know, sir at all, that 2079 01:37:56.640 --> 01:37:59.760 she suffered a brisk fracture of a cervical spine? 2080 01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:00.640 You know that, sir? 2081 01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:00.840 No. 2082 01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:04.479 T five through T six, T four six, seven eight 2083 01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:06.359 all exploded fractured. 2084 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:07.359 Did you know that? No? 2085 01:38:08.119 --> 01:38:10.359 Did you know that there was a hemorrhaging into her body, 2086 01:38:10.439 --> 01:38:14.840 that she fractured every rib in her body? No, it 2087 01:38:14.960 --> 01:38:18.359 was pretty dark out there, wasn't it it was? Did 2088 01:38:18.439 --> 01:38:22.199 you obviously administer aid to her? Did you also have 2089 01:38:22.359 --> 01:38:24.079 like a flashlight on your head? Were you holding a 2090 01:38:24.119 --> 01:38:24.800 flashlight or what? 2091 01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:27.880 She was already packaged, She was already on the longboard 2092 01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:29.279 and everything. So we picked her up, put her on 2093 01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:31.600 the stretcher and moved out of the backyard into the impautance. 2094 01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:35.880 So how long did you handle if you will, her 2095 01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:38.239 while she was laying there on scene? 2096 01:38:38.279 --> 01:38:42.439 We were only unseen for I think it was seven minutes. 2097 01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:44.680 I think total unseene from the time. 2098 01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:45.039 That we got it. 2099 01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:49.000 Yes, and it was dark in the backyard, right, Yes, 2100 01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:52.640 there was no exterior lighting. No, no, nothing on the 2101 01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:55.239 house that was lit up, like spotlights or anything. Right, 2102 01:38:55.319 --> 01:39:00.640 that's correct, no flashlights, right, No. And you screwedanized a 2103 01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:03.640 hole in the thing that goes around. 2104 01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:07.239 The neck when someone has a head injury, especially cervical 2105 01:39:07.319 --> 01:39:08.960 injury thoracic injuries. 2106 01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:12.960 You scrutinized a hole and noted that it was superficial. 2107 01:39:14.520 --> 01:39:17.520 That's all we could see through the side of the collar, me. 2108 01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:22.600 And my partnerizing the hole as well the whole. I 2109 01:39:22.640 --> 01:39:22.880 don't know. 2110 01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:27.840 Yeah, there's holes in the collar that you can see 2111 01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:28.680 through you. 2112 01:39:29.520 --> 01:39:40.359 Were looking through, right, is your partner. And you've talked about. 2113 01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:45.039 Your testimony with the district attorneys in the past, Avenue. Yes, 2114 01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:47.600 one of the things that they asked you is whether 2115 01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:50.640 or not it appeared as though the injuries to her 2116 01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:52.359 neck or wrist. 2117 01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:57.039 Were superficial. Isn't that right? Yes? 2118 01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:00.319 And and and other than looking through the little hole 2119 01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:03.319 in the thing around her neck in the dock, you 2120 01:40:03.399 --> 01:40:07.319 didn't see her neck after that was removed, did you, no? 2121 01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:12.800 Toll Yeah, caramo three direct sir. 2122 01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:15.720 After the seven minutes that you were in the dark backyard, 2123 01:40:16.239 --> 01:40:18.720 you were then in an ambulance for eighteen minutes with 2124 01:40:18.760 --> 01:40:22.119 the patient. Correct, that's correct. And there's lighting in the ambulance. Correct. 2125 01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:27.399 And during those eighteen minutes in the well lit ambulance, 2126 01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:30.439 did you ever see blood seeping through the bandages on 2127 01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:34.159 her wrists? During those eighteen minutes in the well lit ambulance, 2128 01:40:34.239 --> 01:40:36.359 did you ever see blood pulling around her neck or 2129 01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:37.600 flowing from the neck? No? 2130 01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:43.000 Thank you any further, thank you, shaking me sitting down. 2131 01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:43.319 Thank you for. 2132 01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:47.119 Commel calls. 2133 01:40:47.199 --> 01:40:53.720 Daniel Daherty, same objection and yessuleas. 2134 01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:58.920 All right, Good morning, sir, Good morning, all right, thank. 2135 01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:01.520 You, good morning. Can you please stay and spell your name. 2136 01:41:01.439 --> 01:41:04.640 For the record, Daniel Daherty dou G H E R 2137 01:41:04.720 --> 01:41:07.800 T Y and your date of birth eight twenty seven, 2138 01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:08.760 nineteen eighty six. 2139 01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:11.119 Where do you work Duxbury Fire Department. 2140 01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:14.039 How long have you been with the Duxbury Fire Department. 2141 01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:15.439 Five and a half years full time. 2142 01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:17.159 Are you also a paramedic? 2143 01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:17.520 Yes? 2144 01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:19.159 And how long have you been a paramedic? 2145 01:41:21.119 --> 01:41:21.720 Four years? 2146 01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:25.159 And have you completed all the training and education and 2147 01:41:25.199 --> 01:41:27.000 certification required to be a paramedic? 2148 01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:27.279 Yes. 2149 01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:31.840 I want a direct your attention to January twenty fourth, 2150 01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:33.800 twenty twenty three. Were you working that day? 2151 01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:34.319 I was? 2152 01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:37.079 And were you working a twenty four hour shift? 2153 01:41:37.239 --> 01:41:37.399 Yes? 2154 01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:40.760 Did you what was your role that day on shift? 2155 01:41:41.319 --> 01:41:43.159 Firefighter paramedic And. 2156 01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:48.800 Sometime after six pm did you respond to forty seven 2157 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:49.920 Summer Street in Duxbury. 2158 01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:50.239 Yes? 2159 01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:53.640 And when you responded, who was with you? 2160 01:41:54.680 --> 01:41:57.520 Firefighter Heath was driving and Firefighter. 2161 01:41:57.119 --> 01:41:59.600 Nud was in the back and so you're in ambulance 2162 01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:04.000 one at the time said yes, yes. And when you 2163 01:42:04.239 --> 01:42:07.640 arrive at forty seven Summer Street, what do you see? 2164 01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:13.000 There was two police cruisers either blocking the driveway or 2165 01:42:13.199 --> 01:42:16.760 near it. So we pulled the head of it, stopped 2166 01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:17.720 the truck and got out. 2167 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:20.760 And did you head to get equipment and head to 2168 01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:21.359 the backyard? 2169 01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:21.680 Yes? 2170 01:42:22.840 --> 01:42:24.319 And what did you see in the backyard? 2171 01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:27.840 We had Officer Hall kind of directing us towards the 2172 01:42:28.199 --> 01:42:31.600 side of to the side gate, and from there we 2173 01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:32.399 went around to the. 2174 01:42:32.399 --> 01:42:33.000 Back of the house. 2175 01:42:33.880 --> 01:42:35.399 And did you see a female on the ground. 2176 01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:35.840 We did? 2177 01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:38.159 And did you learn that was Lindsay Clancy? 2178 01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:38.439 Yes? 2179 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:40.079 Do you recall what she was wearing? 2180 01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:42.760 I believe it was jeans and a tank top. 2181 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:44.399 Did she also have socks on? 2182 01:42:45.199 --> 01:42:45.760 I believe so. 2183 01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:51.760 And did you examine her or assess her once you 2184 01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:56.000 reached her, Yes? And what if any injuries? Did you 2185 01:42:56.079 --> 01:42:57.079 observe she. 2186 01:42:57.119 --> 01:43:00.239 Had lacerations to both wrists as well as her neck 2187 01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:02.000 and were. 2188 01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:04.359 Those lacerations actively bleeding? 2189 01:43:04.600 --> 01:43:04.840 Nope? 2190 01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:08.720 Can you describe the lacerations that you saw on her neck? 2191 01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:13.359 Ah, there was dry blood seemed to be somewhat superficial 2192 01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:14.720 since there was no active bleed. 2193 01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:17.680 And what about the cuts on her wrists? 2194 01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:18.119 Same? 2195 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:25.760 And would you say same? Are you saying that there 2196 01:43:25.840 --> 01:43:27.119 was no active bleeding there? 2197 01:43:27.279 --> 01:43:27.600 Correct? 2198 01:43:28.439 --> 01:43:31.760 And what if anything did you do to treat those wounds? 2199 01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:36.600 We bandaged them up. I believe we placed ABD pad 2200 01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:38.039 just a steril pad on her. 2201 01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:38.520 Neck as well. 2202 01:43:39.439 --> 01:43:41.359 You said an APD or a steril pad. Is that 2203 01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:44.720 just a type of like gauze or something that you 2204 01:43:44.840 --> 01:43:45.720 put on the wound? 2205 01:43:46.039 --> 01:43:46.199 Yes? 2206 01:43:47.279 --> 01:43:49.960 And so you you did that, and then you bandaged 2207 01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:51.319 the risks or vice versa. 2208 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:54.680 I was the risk first, I believe, but we did 2209 01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:59.319 secure the airway first before bandaging herst Okay. 2210 01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:01.399 So when you first to arrive, is she breathing on 2211 01:44:01.479 --> 01:44:01.800 her own? 2212 01:44:02.079 --> 01:44:02.439 She was? 2213 01:44:03.319 --> 01:44:05.960 Was she responsive somewhat? 2214 01:44:06.479 --> 01:44:07.079 What does that mean? 2215 01:44:07.279 --> 01:44:11.920 Not totally responsive? Pretty much? The painful stimuli and. 2216 01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:13.399 What is painful stimuli? 2217 01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:17.319 As we were moving her, she somewhat regained consciousness on us. 2218 01:44:18.720 --> 01:44:23.000 And painful stimuli is that is that when someone reacts 2219 01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:25.479 physically or verbally to pain. 2220 01:44:25.800 --> 01:44:28.279 Yes, And so. 2221 01:44:29.880 --> 01:44:32.359 You said that you assess her when you first get there. 2222 01:44:32.399 --> 01:44:33.640 You said you did the airway first. 2223 01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:34.159 Is that right? 2224 01:44:34.279 --> 01:44:34.439 Yes? 2225 01:44:34.560 --> 01:44:35.640 And how did you go about doing that? 2226 01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:38.960 We placed an OPA device to scare her tongue down, 2227 01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:40.560 just to protect her airway. 2228 01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:42.279 What's an OPA device. 2229 01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:45.079 It's a plastic device that depresses the tongue just to 2230 01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:46.279 keep the airway open. 2231 01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:49.279 So it's not the tube that goes down, it's just 2232 01:44:49.359 --> 01:44:52.800 something that holds a tongue down, that's correct. And after 2233 01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:54.359 you did that, what was the next step? 2234 01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:58.239 Replaced the non breather air mask on her and set the. 2235 01:44:58.279 --> 01:45:00.800 Oxygen So that is that just a mass that goes 2236 01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:03.760 on the face providing oxygen, and then what did you 2237 01:45:03.840 --> 01:45:05.159 do next from there? 2238 01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:08.920 That's when we heard the scream And so what. 2239 01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:13.359 Did you bandage the neck and the wrist before the 2240 01:45:13.479 --> 01:45:16.439 breathing securing the breathing or after that was after? Okay? 2241 01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:20.399 So just to be clear, first is securing the tongue down, 2242 01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:23.960 putting the oxygen mask on, and then you did the bandaging? 2243 01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:25.680 That was that came later? 2244 01:45:25.840 --> 01:45:26.000 Yes? 2245 01:45:26.119 --> 01:45:26.279 Later? 2246 01:45:26.359 --> 01:45:32.119 Okay? Okay, So when you hear the screaming, what, if anything. 2247 01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:32.199 Do you do? 2248 01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:36.279 I looked at Captain Hussey and Captain or Firefighter Heath 2249 01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:39.720 and we kind of all looked at each other trying 2250 01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:40.760 to figure out what was going on. 2251 01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:45.800 And did did any of you leave the area after 2252 01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:47.000 hearing the screaming? 2253 01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:50.359 Captain Hussey did, Firefighter Heath went to go get a 2254 01:45:50.439 --> 01:45:51.680 backboard for the patient. 2255 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:55.840 And did you stay with Lindsay Clancy? Okay? And then 2256 01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:59.279 is it at that point that you do the bandaging 2257 01:45:59.399 --> 01:46:00.600 or after you get the backboard? 2258 01:46:01.319 --> 01:46:03.840 Kevin was gone for a while, so that's when I 2259 01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:06.199 started bandishing up or wrists. 2260 01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:14.279 And did he eventually return with the backboard? He did not, 2261 01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:17.199 So you bandage the risk? What happens. 2262 01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:20.079 Next, I believe it, his Officer Hall came to the backyard. 2263 01:46:21.039 --> 01:46:23.079 He asked if I needed anything. I told him the 2264 01:46:23.079 --> 01:46:25.439 board kind of gave him a direction of where in 2265 01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:28.439 the truck it was, and then he also left to 2266 01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:29.319 go grab that for me. 2267 01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:31.079 And when you say the board, are you referring to 2268 01:46:31.159 --> 01:46:31.640 the backboard? 2269 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:31.920 Yes? 2270 01:46:32.439 --> 01:46:34.039 And did he return with the backboard? 2271 01:46:34.720 --> 01:46:34.880 Yes? 2272 01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:39.000 And was Ms Clancy loaded onto the backboard? 2273 01:46:39.239 --> 01:46:39.600 She was? 2274 01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:41.359 And who assisted you with that? 2275 01:46:42.359 --> 01:46:45.720 It was Officer Hall, I believe, and our retired deputy. 2276 01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:49.359 And is there a process that you follow when placing 2277 01:46:49.520 --> 01:46:53.279 someone onto a board to ensure that you don't cause 2278 01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:54.039 further damage? 2279 01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:54.279 Yes? 2280 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:56.279 And what is that process? 2281 01:46:56.600 --> 01:46:59.479 I just see spine precautions, so you're secure them there 2282 01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:02.760 can kind of make sure that it's immobilized as you. 2283 01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:03.680 Kind of moved the patient. 2284 01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:06.079 So what did you do to secure her neck? 2285 01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:08.960 We had someone at her neck, I don't remember who. 2286 01:47:09.039 --> 01:47:12.720 It was, just kind of whole study that her neck 2287 01:47:12.760 --> 01:47:13.800 didn't move in the process. 2288 01:47:14.439 --> 01:47:16.960 And then did you follow that protocol, the ce spine 2289 01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:20.359 protocol to safely put her onto the backboard? And at 2290 01:47:20.399 --> 01:47:22.239 some point was a collar placed around her neck? 2291 01:47:22.359 --> 01:47:22.840 I believe so? 2292 01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:25.319 Yes, and then what happened next? 2293 01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:28.119 I believe I got on the radio and asked our 2294 01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:32.000 captain who was transporting first, because we knew that there 2295 01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:34.319 was multiple, multiple patients at that point. 2296 01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:39.439 And what were you told Pembroke was on its way in. 2297 01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:43.319 They may have just arrived and she was going with Pembroke. 2298 01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:46.960 And were you part of the team that transported her 2299 01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:49.000 from the backyard to the Pembroke ambulance? 2300 01:47:49.119 --> 01:47:49.319 Yes? 2301 01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:53.760 And did you help load her into the Pembroke ambulance? 2302 01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:53.960 Yes? 2303 01:47:54.399 --> 01:47:56.720 And did you go with them during that transport? 2304 01:47:56.840 --> 01:47:59.039 It did not After. 2305 01:48:00.319 --> 01:48:03.079 After Mss Clancy was loaded into the ambulance, did it 2306 01:48:03.199 --> 01:48:05.399 leave yes? What did you do next? 2307 01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:09.399 I went to our ambulance that was in the driveway 2308 01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:09.880 at that point. 2309 01:48:10.359 --> 01:48:12.079 And was Dawson Clancy in that ambulance? 2310 01:48:12.399 --> 01:48:12.439 Was? 2311 01:48:13.199 --> 01:48:15.880 And did you ride in the ambulance to the hospital 2312 01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:16.680 with Dawson Clancy? 2313 01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:17.000 I did? 2314 01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:18.840 What was your role in that ambulance? 2315 01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:22.319 I was operating the bag valve mask for him. 2316 01:48:22.840 --> 01:48:26.039 So you're you're trying to provide oxygen to him through 2317 01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:30.159 the bag valve mask. And was his care then transferred 2318 01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:35.640 to Beth Israel Deaconess Plymouth medical staff, Yes, and nothing further. 2319 01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:41.199 Told me again, you were an EMT, a paramedic or 2320 01:48:41.239 --> 01:48:45.039 a paramedic paramedic And howd on do you study for 2321 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:47.560 that two years plus? 2322 01:48:48.920 --> 01:48:51.119 Would that be full time studying or are you working 2323 01:48:51.159 --> 01:48:56.159 at the same litworking? Okay? Do you know on that 2324 01:48:56.319 --> 01:48:59.960 evening what the temperature was outside? It was cold, wicked cool? 2325 01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:02.279 Was in her thirties? Was lower than that, wasn't it? 2326 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:06.560 I couldn't It was really cold? Yeah? And how long 2327 01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:08.399 was she laying in the snow and on the ground. 2328 01:49:09.479 --> 01:49:12.800 We got the call at six ish or whatever time 2329 01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:13.079 it was. 2330 01:49:13.399 --> 01:49:16.920 We we respond came because her husband came home from 2331 01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:20.680 picking up food and found her on the ground, right, correct, 2332 01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:23.920 So you don't know how long she was laying in 2333 01:49:23.960 --> 01:49:26.399 the snow on the ground, right, No, in the cold? 2334 01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:31.479 Correct? And what's hemostasis? Do you know what's that? What'schemostasis? 2335 01:49:31.600 --> 01:49:33.840 What does that mean? Just the coagulation? 2336 01:49:34.319 --> 01:49:37.239 And you know what the effect of hypothermia? Let me 2337 01:49:37.279 --> 01:49:38.600 ask you what's hypothermia? 2338 01:49:39.239 --> 01:49:42.680 That's just the body under the under temperature of the body, 2339 01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:44.680 under temperature of the body. 2340 01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:49.800 Your body is not at temperature that should be right 2341 01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:54.479 because of the environment, right cold, right, Sometimes it can 2342 01:49:54.520 --> 01:49:55.680 be medically induced, right. 2343 01:49:57.239 --> 01:50:00.239 Hypothermia affects the blood flow, doesn't it. Yes? 2344 01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:05.840 In fact, you actually have a thing called therapeutic hypothermia, right, 2345 01:50:06.520 --> 01:50:08.880 like if they have to restrict the blood flow to 2346 01:50:09.039 --> 01:50:11.000 either a heart or a brain or something that a 2347 01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:15.039 person can be induced medically to be cold and it 2348 01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:16.159 would restrict blood flow. 2349 01:50:16.239 --> 01:50:16.359 Right. 2350 01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:20.159 So all these questions about whether or not there's blood 2351 01:50:20.239 --> 01:50:22.800 seeping through the wrist bandages and whether or not there's 2352 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:27.279 bloodles in the next race, you don't know what effect 2353 01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:28.880 the hypothermia or with any head on that. 2354 01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:34.119 Be direct, suir. 2355 01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:38.880 It's typically heat in a hospital, correct, usually yes? And 2356 01:50:39.319 --> 01:50:42.399 were you aware that well Trent mss Clancy went to 2357 01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:43.560 Celsial Hospital correct? 2358 01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:43.760 Yes? 2359 01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:47.680 And are you aware that the wound on her wrist 2360 01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:50.039 did not have to be futured until the following day. 2361 01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:52.600 I didn't get any of that information after. 2362 01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:54.720 Were you aware that the wound on her neck never 2363 01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:55.600 had to be futured? 2364 01:50:55.840 --> 01:51:00.760 Same answer? Thank you you think for the Thank you sir, 2365 01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:01.600 Thank you, stip. 2366 01:51:01.399 --> 01:51:01.840 Down, thank you. 2367 01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:06.439 Home well calls Vincent K Hill. 2368 01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:12.079 You need to testify. 2369 01:51:13.359 --> 01:51:21.520 Good morning, sir, sure, good afternoon, sir. Can you please 2370 01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:22.840 stay and spell your name for the record. 2371 01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:24.840 Sure, my name is Vincent Khill. 2372 01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:27.079 To be v I N C E N T. 2373 01:51:27.760 --> 01:51:29.840 Last name k Hill, that'll be c ah. 2374 01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:32.600 Ilhill and your day of birth please. 2375 01:51:32.720 --> 01:51:34.279 Eleven eleven, nineteen ninety six. 2376 01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:35.520 Where do you work. 2377 01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:37.439 I'll work at the Duxbury Police Department. 2378 01:51:37.840 --> 01:51:40.319 How long have you been with the Duxbury Police Department. 2379 01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:41.640 About five and a half years. 2380 01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:44.479 I want to direct your attention to January twenty fourth, 2381 01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:46.000 twenty twenty three. Were you working that. 2382 01:51:46.119 --> 01:51:46.880 Day, yes, ma'am. 2383 01:51:47.279 --> 01:51:48.079 Were you on patrol? 2384 01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:48.600 Yes? 2385 01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:54.239 And directing your attention further to approximately six to eleven 2386 01:51:54.279 --> 01:51:58.000 pm where you dispatched to forty seven Summer Street in Duxbury, Yes, ma'am. 2387 01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:01.279 And when you arrived there? How long did it take 2388 01:52:01.319 --> 01:52:05.319 you to get there? Approximately a couple minutes. And when 2389 01:52:05.359 --> 01:52:06.800 you arrived there, what did you see? 2390 01:52:08.039 --> 01:52:10.640 When I arrived there, I saw a cruiser and driveway 2391 01:52:11.079 --> 01:52:14.039 as well as an ambulance and the fire captain. 2392 01:52:15.079 --> 01:52:18.800 And did you head to the backyard yes? And did 2393 01:52:18.840 --> 01:52:20.840 you see a woman on the ground there being cared for? 2394 01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:21.439 Yes? 2395 01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:23.840 And did you later learn that was Lindsay Clancy? 2396 01:52:23.960 --> 01:52:24.119 Yes. 2397 01:52:24.960 --> 01:52:27.439 At some point do you hear or did you hear 2398 01:52:27.800 --> 01:52:28.520 loud screaming. 2399 01:52:28.920 --> 01:52:29.119 Yes. 2400 01:52:29.720 --> 01:52:31.800 And as a result of that, did you go inside 2401 01:52:31.840 --> 01:52:32.159 the home? 2402 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:32.640 Yes? 2403 01:52:33.319 --> 01:52:35.880 And did you go to the basement area yes? And 2404 01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:38.039 when you went down the basement stairs, did you go 2405 01:52:38.119 --> 01:52:39.039 to the right or the left? 2406 01:52:40.319 --> 01:52:42.760 Inshual. We went to the right, following the father. 2407 01:52:43.560 --> 01:52:45.920 So as you're going down the stairs, you say, the 2408 01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:47.199 fathers that Patrick Clancy. 2409 01:52:47.319 --> 01:52:47.439 Yes. 2410 01:52:47.800 --> 01:52:50.079 Do you see him as you're going down the basement stairs? 2411 01:52:50.159 --> 01:52:50.319 Yes? 2412 01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:52.520 And where is he coming from? And where is he 2413 01:52:52.600 --> 01:52:52.880 going to? 2414 01:52:53.199 --> 01:52:55.239 It's coming from my left, heading to my right. 2415 01:52:56.159 --> 01:52:57.560 And what is his demeanor? 2416 01:52:58.520 --> 01:52:59.359 He was screaming? 2417 01:53:00.159 --> 01:53:02.720 And as you came down the stairs, did he point 2418 01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:03.479 in a direction? 2419 01:53:03.960 --> 01:53:04.119 Yes? 2420 01:53:04.479 --> 01:53:06.479 Where did he point to to the left side? And 2421 01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:07.439 is that where you headed? 2422 01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:07.720 Yes? 2423 01:53:08.359 --> 01:53:09.880 And when you went to the left, did you see 2424 01:53:09.920 --> 01:53:12.319 two children on the floor in that area of the 2425 01:53:12.359 --> 01:53:13.039 basement yes? 2426 01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:14.680 And what did you do? 2427 01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:18.760 I checked the pulse of the five year old girl 2428 01:53:20.079 --> 01:53:23.319 and passed that information along. And then when fire came 2429 01:53:23.359 --> 01:53:26.239 on scene, I then was backing away because fire was 2430 01:53:26.279 --> 01:53:28.199 going to start taking over taking care of the five 2431 01:53:28.279 --> 01:53:28.760 year old girl. 2432 01:53:29.319 --> 01:53:31.840 I then backed into the infant who was on the ground. 2433 01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:35.520 So you said that you checked the five year old? 2434 01:53:35.640 --> 01:53:38.039 Was that core Clancy. You checked her for a pulse? 2435 01:53:38.119 --> 01:53:41.279 Did she have a pulse? And you said fire came 2436 01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:46.239 down and started taking over. Was that firefighters from Duxsberry 2437 01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:46.760 Fire Department? 2438 01:53:46.840 --> 01:53:47.239 Yes, ma'am. 2439 01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:49.439 And you said you started backing up. Is that what 2440 01:53:49.560 --> 01:53:51.119 you bumped into calend Clancy? 2441 01:53:51.279 --> 01:53:51.680 Yes, ma'am. 2442 01:53:52.039 --> 01:53:54.640 And at that point in time, what did you do next? 2443 01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:58.119 I checked Callen's pulse and did he have a pulse? 2444 01:53:59.199 --> 01:54:01.560 Did fires take over care of Callen? 2445 01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:01.920 Yes? 2446 01:54:02.479 --> 01:54:05.039 At that point, did you do something to make it 2447 01:54:05.119 --> 01:54:06.960 easier for the people to fit in the room and 2448 01:54:07.439 --> 01:54:08.159 treat the children? 2449 01:54:08.359 --> 01:54:08.520 Yes? 2450 01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:12.760 I moved a large futon or ottoman, he's furniture. 2451 01:54:13.279 --> 01:54:17.439 And I'm showing you Exhibit ninety six, directing your attention 2452 01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:19.399 to the couch bed and the automan on top of it. 2453 01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:21.880 Were you the one that placed that automan on top 2454 01:54:21.880 --> 01:54:26.199 of the couch bed? After that, were you asked to 2455 01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:28.159 help get some equipment for the children? 2456 01:54:28.439 --> 01:54:28.640 Yes? 2457 01:54:28.840 --> 01:54:29.560 And did you do that? 2458 01:54:29.920 --> 01:54:30.079 Yes? 2459 01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:32.399 And did you bring the equipment to the basement yes? 2460 01:54:33.199 --> 01:54:36.680 And after that, did you assist with getting Cora to 2461 01:54:37.079 --> 01:54:37.760 the ambulance? 2462 01:54:39.079 --> 01:54:42.479 I assisted with rescue breasts with Cora as well as CPR. 2463 01:54:43.279 --> 01:54:45.760 I ad it with Officer Josephine, And. 2464 01:54:46.239 --> 01:54:48.279 How are you doing the rescue breast and the CPR. 2465 01:54:48.640 --> 01:54:51.640 I was using a bag valve mask myself an Officer 2466 01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:53.920 Josephine were timing at every. 2467 01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:58.159 Couple seconds. It was fifteen seconds. I was doing rescue 2468 01:54:58.199 --> 01:54:58.760 breasts on Korra. 2469 01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.119 And at some point she's taken out of the basement 2470 01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:06.199 into an ambulance. Correct, did you assist with that? 2471 01:55:07.479 --> 01:55:08.119 I don't recall. 2472 01:55:09.079 --> 01:55:12.520 And at any point did she regain a pulse or 2473 01:55:12.840 --> 01:55:14.920 or or ability to breathe while you were helping to 2474 01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:20.239 assist her at some point in time where you've given 2475 01:55:20.319 --> 01:55:23.880 the task of monitoring who came into the scene and 2476 01:55:23.960 --> 01:55:28.479 who left the scene throughout the night, yes, and showing 2477 01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:32.439 you what's titled entitled crime Scene Entry and Exit Log. 2478 01:55:33.319 --> 01:55:36.560 Is this the form that you were in charge. 2479 01:55:36.319 --> 01:55:39.479 Of just documenting every time someone came to the scene 2480 01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:43.640 or left the scene. I have this marked the next specific. 2481 01:55:43.239 --> 01:55:45.720 Place that may be admitted. 2482 01:55:46.720 --> 01:55:49.600 Have nothing further, Thank you, council. 2483 01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:51.960 All right, thank you, sir, Thank you. 2484 01:55:52.880 --> 01:55:58.960 Donald approached, All right, it was the jury talking of council. 2485 01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.600 You still there's a couple of issues that we have 2486 01:56:02.720 --> 01:56:05.840 to kind of hammer out and get done and rather 2487 01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:07.600 than if you wait around. 2488 01:56:07.600 --> 01:56:09.319 I'm not quite sure how long that's gonna go. 2489 01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:12.359 I'm going to excuse you for the day, all right. 2490 01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:16.600 I told you sometimes the schedules don't always match up 2491 01:56:16.640 --> 01:56:17.880 what I tell you they're going to do, even a 2492 01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:23.039 couple hours before. So I'm gonna excuse you until tomorrow morning, 2493 01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:26.640 all right. And so tomorrow morning, the plan is that 2494 01:56:26.720 --> 01:56:29.920 we're going to go on this view, and I'll explain 2495 01:56:29.960 --> 01:56:34.319 it a little bit more in detail tomorrow, but just 2496 01:56:34.399 --> 01:56:36.560 so you can kind of picture your head, I'm going 2497 01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:38.479 to ask you to be here, if you ready to 2498 01:56:38.479 --> 01:56:40.680 come out here at nine o'clock. I'm going to address you, 2499 01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:43.720 probably ask those same questions. Then I'll give you a 2500 01:56:43.800 --> 01:56:46.439 little bit of information about the view. I'll give you 2501 01:56:46.479 --> 01:56:50.279 an instruction. The view is we're going to go to 2502 01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:52.680 a couple of areas. You're gonna be able to get 2503 01:56:52.720 --> 01:56:58.199 out and look at these areas that the lawyers will 2504 01:56:58.239 --> 01:57:00.319 be there. They'll be able to point out what they 2505 01:57:00.439 --> 01:57:04.199 feel is significant. Uh, And at that point we'll then 2506 01:57:04.279 --> 01:57:07.760 come back. We'll consider it's continue with some of the testimony. 2507 01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:10.920 We may end up a little bit early tomorrow as well. 2508 01:57:12.039 --> 01:57:13.359 In regards schedules, and. 2509 01:57:13.880 --> 01:57:16.680 At that point, I'm gonna talk to council kind. 2510 01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:19.800 Of see where we are in regards to the overall schedule. 2511 01:57:19.880 --> 01:57:22.760 But it's my impression that we are ahead of schedule 2512 01:57:22.840 --> 01:57:23.359 at this point. 2513 01:57:24.279 --> 01:57:25.319 So I just kind of wanted to. 2514 01:57:25.359 --> 01:57:27.199 Let you know that so we can excuse you till 2515 01:57:27.680 --> 01:57:30.159 tomorrow morning rather than have you sit here and uh 2516 01:57:30.760 --> 01:57:31.479 just kind of wait. 2517 01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:32.000 In regards to that. 2518 01:57:32.079 --> 01:57:34.119 So I'm gonna excuse you till tomorrow. I'd ask you 2519 01:57:34.119 --> 01:57:38.199 to be here at nine uh check the weather, uh see. Uh, 2520 01:57:38.279 --> 01:57:40.680 but you'll be on the view in the morning and 2521 01:57:40.760 --> 01:57:42.800 then there'll be some witnesses in the afternoon. 2522 01:57:43.119 --> 01:57:45.399 All right, So remember I'm gonna ask you those questions. 2523 01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:48.920 Don't read anything, don't talk about it, don't do any research, 2524 01:57:49.039 --> 01:57:50.319 don't take any field trips. 2525 01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:53.640 Uh, and I'll see it tomorrow morning. Okay, thank you? 2526 01:57:54.319 --> 01:58:00.279 Cour all right, following h. 2527 01:58:04.039 --> 01:58:04.520 All right. 2528 01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:10.119 In recess until tomorrow. The court, uh the media. 2529 01:58:10.239 --> 01:58:15.119 The court had issued previously a specific order regarding the view. 2530 01:58:15.840 --> 01:58:21.239 There's a supplemental order issued this morning, so everybody should 2531 01:58:21.279 --> 01:58:23.359 just be aware of that. And uh, I want to 2532 01:58:23.359 --> 01:58:26.760 thank everybody for uh the consideration and that will be 2533 01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:28.560 in recess until tomorrow morning. 2534 01:58:35.039 --> 01:58:37.159 Okay, folks, can we clear the courtroom please,