Speaker 1: Full trial audio everything hurting court no silences to skip.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Council, Hi, co morning, Miss Clancy.
Speaker 2: Are we ready for the jury?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, William Sivan, you shall be heard.
Speaker 4: Massachusetts. Good morning, You're on.
Speaker 6: You're on it.
Speaker 7: Before the court today we have the continuation of the
Speaker 7: jury trial in the matter of Commonwealth versus Lindsay Clancy.
Speaker 7: Miss Clancy is present. She is represented by Attorney Kevin Reddington.
Speaker 7: The Commonwealth is represented by Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprague
Speaker 7: and Assistant District Attorney Shannon Buckingham.
Speaker 3: All right, well, good morning everyone.
Speaker 1: I hope everybody had a nice, RESTful evening last night.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your patience with us. What I'm going
Speaker 1: to do is just we're going to ask you those questions.
Speaker 8: Make sure everybody was.
Speaker 1: Able to follow my instructions. They're going to go over
Speaker 1: briefly our schedule for today, in the schedule for tomorrow.
Speaker 1: All right, So the first let me get to those questions.
Speaker 1: The first question, is any member of the jury red
Speaker 1: scene or heard anything from any source that would affect
Speaker 1: your ability to be fear and impartial in this case?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 1: Next question, is there any other serious matter concern bearing
Speaker 1: on your service is a juror in this case that
Speaker 1: anybody needs to bring.
Speaker 8: My attention at this time.
Speaker 1: All right, good, thank you for following those instructions now
Speaker 1: in regards to our schedule today, to anticipate it, as
Speaker 1: you know, in these cases sometimes the best laid plans,
Speaker 1: but it's anticipated that we'll go this morning to about
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock, we'll take a break out eleven, we'll come back.
Speaker 2: We'll take our.
Speaker 1: After a break at one o'clock, and we'll go into
Speaker 1: the afternoon, you know, somewhere between three and four.
Speaker 2: All right, So that's.
Speaker 1: Today's schedule, tomorrow's schedule as best we can tell.
Speaker 8: We're gonna do that view sometime probably in the morning.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to a couple of spots that I
Speaker 1: have been mentioned in the testimony.
Speaker 2: Like I said, we'll go over a little.
Speaker 8: Bit more tomorrow, but you'll be getting out of it.
Speaker 1: We're all going together in a bus with the court officers,
Speaker 1: the staff attorneys, myself, and we're gonna get out of
Speaker 1: the bus. So you know, that's just a word for
Speaker 1: the wise, for the footwear, and to double check the weather.
Speaker 8: I'll go into that a little bit more, probably by
Speaker 8: the end of the day.
Speaker 1: But I just in case I forget, I just that's
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. And then the thought would be
Speaker 1: after that we'll come back. We'll probably go again until
Speaker 1: sometime round in between three and four. Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: the schedule, and then at the end of the day
Speaker 1: tomorrow all the dress kind of where we are in
Speaker 1: regards to the timeline and this kind of overall schedule,
Speaker 1: just so you have some kind of idea where we are.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So with that, I'm gonna we're going to return to
Speaker 1: the case on a trial call.
Speaker 2: Molts are presenting its evidence. Three Sprague, Thank you, honor.
Speaker 9: Kamala calls Officer Stephen Hall.
Speaker 1: All right, good morning, morning, all right, so we're going
Speaker 1: to ask keep your voice up soe I can hear
Speaker 1: you and with the tree Sprague, thank you, honor.
Speaker 6: Good morning. Can you please can you please stay and
Speaker 6: spell your name for the record.
Speaker 10: My name is Stephen Hall c E pH e onha
Speaker 10: L and your day of birth three twenty six, nineteen
Speaker 10: eighty three. Where do you work work at the Duxbury
Speaker 10: Police Department.
Speaker 6: How long have you been a Duxbury Police officer.
Speaker 10: Since twenty fifteen, so roughly eleven years.
Speaker 6: I want to direct your attention to January twenty fourth,
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. Were you working that day?
Speaker 11: I was What shift?
Speaker 10: Were you working the four to midnight?
Speaker 6: And would that be four pm to midnight?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And were you in unifor yes? Were you in a
Speaker 6: marked cruiser?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: And were you on patrol?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: And being on patrol, were you alone or with a partner?
Speaker 10: I was alone.
Speaker 6: Further directing your attention to approximately six eleven pm at
Speaker 6: that time, did you receive a dispatch to go to
Speaker 6: forty seven Summer Street in Duxbury?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 6: And do you recall approximately where you were when you
Speaker 6: received that dispatch?
Speaker 10: I was at the Lincoln Street Fields in Duxbury.
Speaker 6: And so how long did it take you to get
Speaker 6: from there to forty seven Summer Street.
Speaker 10: Seven to ten minutes?
Speaker 6: And did you go to forty Summer Street?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And what did you see when you arrived there?
Speaker 10: When I arrived, it was just a house. There was
Speaker 10: a gate open on the left side of the house.
Speaker 12: Show you a few exhibits that have marked Exhibit thirty two,
Speaker 12: Exhibit thirty three. Is this the house you responded to
Speaker 12: yes and showing you exhibit thirty four.
Speaker 9: Is that the left side of the house?
Speaker 13: It is?
Speaker 6: And Exhibit thirty five is the gate that you went in.
Speaker 6: Depicted in this exhibit.
Speaker 10: Is first officer I arrived simultaneously with Officer Josephine and
Speaker 10: he is he.
Speaker 6: Also an officer with Duxbury Police.
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: And so did you both head to that same direction
Speaker 6: or did you go in different directions?
Speaker 10: We both went to the backyard as we were dispatched too.
Speaker 6: And you said you went to the left correct.
Speaker 10: Yes, we heard where a male voice calling for.
Speaker 6: Us on the left side, and that's where you headed.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: And did you encounter a mail in the backyard?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did you later learn his name was Patrick Clancy?
Speaker 10: I did?
Speaker 6: What was his demeanor?
Speaker 10: He was upset. You didn't know what was going on?
Speaker 6: So and did you see anyone else in the backyard?
Speaker 6: Did you see anyone on the ground?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: And who was on the ground?
Speaker 10: Ms? Clancy?
Speaker 6: Is that Lindsay Clancy?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And do you see her in the courtroom today?
Speaker 10: I do?
Speaker 3: Could you point to her red reflect the witness says
Speaker 3: identified and different?
Speaker 6: Thank you? Where was she positioned?
Speaker 10: She was on the ground on if you were looking
Speaker 10: at the backyard on the right side, showing you.
Speaker 4: What's been previous.
Speaker 9: Marka's the exhibit thirty eight. Is this the back of
Speaker 9: the house?
Speaker 6: It is, and showing you what's been wire than the
Speaker 6: exhibit seven. Do you see the area where the defendant
Speaker 6: was when you entered the backyard?
Speaker 10: Yes, I'd staying up of the.
Speaker 6: Court pormission and just pointing that out to the jurors.
Speaker 6: That's the record her reflect he's pointing here. The windows will.
Speaker 9: To the far right side of the back.
Speaker 14: Of the house.
Speaker 2: Regular reflect.
Speaker 9: When you saw her.
Speaker 2: In that, you remember.
Speaker 9: Where her head was.
Speaker 10: Her head was towards the house, and where were her
Speaker 10: feet pointing out away from the house.
Speaker 6: Are you trained in first date as part of your job?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And do you carry equipment with you in case you
Speaker 6: have to provide first aid to someone?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: When you saw the defendant on the ground, did you
Speaker 6: go to her and observe any injuries?
Speaker 10: She had cuts to both wrists and to the left
Speaker 10: side of her neck.
Speaker 6: The cuts to her wrists were those actively bleeding when
Speaker 6: you saw them?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 10: They were not.
Speaker 6: When you saw the cuts to her neck, were those
Speaker 6: actively bleeding?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: Did you based on your training and experience, feel the
Speaker 6: need to provide any medical care to those cuts or
Speaker 6: use any of the equipment you had to tend to
Speaker 6: those cuts and not at.
Speaker 10: That time she conscious, semi consciousness, in and out of consciousness.
Speaker 6: And what was she doing that gave you that indication?
Speaker 10: She would wake up and move around and then kind
Speaker 10: of just go still again.
Speaker 6: And when you say she would move around, what parts
Speaker 6: of her body was she moving?
Speaker 2: Just her head?
Speaker 10: Really?
Speaker 6: Was she able to speak to you?
Speaker 10: She wasn't.
Speaker 6: No, was she making any sounds?
Speaker 10: She was just like it sounded like she.
Speaker 6: Was in pain, So something like moaning or something like that. Yes,
Speaker 6: while you and Officer Josephine are there, do other first
Speaker 6: responders such as firefighters start to arrive?
Speaker 10: Yes, they started to arrive, and I went to the
Speaker 10: gate to direct them where to go.
Speaker 6: And how did you know they had arrived?
Speaker 10: You could hear the sirens.
Speaker 6: So you heard the sirens and went to the gate
Speaker 6: to tell them to come to that side.
Speaker 10: Correct.
Speaker 6: While you were doing this, did Patrick Clancy stay with you?
Speaker 10: At one point he went inside to say he was
Speaker 10: going to check on his children.
Speaker 6: And did you see what entrance he used to go
Speaker 6: into the house.
Speaker 10: He went towards the backslider.
Speaker 6: Shortly after Patrick Clancy went inside the home, did you
Speaker 6: receive a call on your radio?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And what did you hear on your radio?
Speaker 10: Dispatch said that he couldn't wake them.
Speaker 6: Up, And did you know what they were talking about
Speaker 6: when you heard? Initially heard that?
Speaker 10: Not really?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: Did something then catch your attention?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 10: I heard a loud scream from inside.
Speaker 6: And could you tell where it was coming from?
Speaker 10: Just inside the house?
Speaker 6: And the screaming was it words or just sound?
Speaker 10: It was just a sound.
Speaker 6: When you heard that screaming, what.
Speaker 15: Did you do?
Speaker 10: Myself and Officer Josephine towards the slider and entered into
Speaker 10: the house.
Speaker 6: And when you entered into the house, do you remember
Speaker 6: what room you entered into, into a kitchen And when
Speaker 6: you entered into the kitchen, could you still hear that screaming?
Speaker 10: No, we could hear he was talking, but there was screaming.
Speaker 6: Was done what you said? He was talking? Who was
Speaker 6: talking with Patrick Clancy?
Speaker 15: So you could hear.
Speaker 6: Patrick Clancy talking at that time?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And could you tell where he was?
Speaker 10: Yes, he was in the basement.
Speaker 6: And did you head to the basement stairs yes. Exhibit
Speaker 6: for one, are these the stairs that you went to?
Speaker 6: Did you go to the bottom of the stairs?
Speaker 10: I did.
Speaker 6: Once you got to the bottom of the stairs. Is
Speaker 6: it accurate that you either have to go right or left?
Speaker 10: Correct?
Speaker 6: Which direction did you go?
Speaker 10: We heard Patrick Clancy talking from the right, so we
Speaker 10: went in that direction.
Speaker 6: Could you hear what he was saying?
Speaker 10: God? Can I do you matterfa?
Speaker 6: You don't recall?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: Do you recall him saying I can't wake them up?
Speaker 6: I can't get them up?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And do you remember his demeanor as he was saying that.
Speaker 10: God, he seems very upset.
Speaker 6: What did you do in response to that?
Speaker 10: He came from a back room, so we ran into
Speaker 10: that back room.
Speaker 6: Just going back to when you came down the stairs
Speaker 6: and turned to the right, do you recall what type
Speaker 6: of room that was when you went to the right.
Speaker 10: It looks like a workout room, a workout area.
Speaker 6: Let's show you your pictures here.
Speaker 9: If you could just look at them and tell me
Speaker 9: if you recognize what.
Speaker 6: Of that that work room that you entered into when
Speaker 6: you went to the right. Yes, we could have these
Speaker 6: marks as the next few exhibits.
Speaker 2: Those may be admitted four.
Speaker 6: Exhibits are showing you Exhibit eighty nine. Is that the
Speaker 6: view when you first come down the stairs and turned
Speaker 6: to the right, Yes, And then showing you Exhibit ninety
Speaker 6: of those exercise bands they're tied to the closet door. Yes,
Speaker 6: ninety one, just a close up of that correct, Yes,
Speaker 6: Then ninety two.
Speaker 9: What are we seeing in this photograph, sir?
Speaker 10: That was the back room that he was seemed to
Speaker 10: be coming from that Patrick was coming to.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: You also looked at two photographs for that room of
Speaker 6: those fair and acrid depictions.
Speaker 9: Of how the word look that day. Yes, we could
Speaker 9: have these marks.
Speaker 2: The next two exhibits, please they may be admitted.
Speaker 9: So did you head to that bathroom?
Speaker 10: I did?
Speaker 6: And what did you see when you got to that
Speaker 6: back room?
Speaker 10: Just past the door on the left side, there was
Speaker 10: a body of a young child.
Speaker 6: And do you remember what position the child was in?
Speaker 10: He had his feet towards the door and his head
Speaker 10: towards the wall.
Speaker 6: And was he on his back or his stomach?
Speaker 10: He was on his back.
Speaker 6: And do you recall what he was wearing.
Speaker 10: He was shirtless. I believe he was just in a
Speaker 10: diaper or underwear of some sort, and showing you.
Speaker 6: Thank you did at ninety three If you wouldn't mind
Speaker 6: just pointing out where you saw his body. He's pointing
Speaker 6: to the area of the.
Speaker 2: Yellow exercise band. Me reflect that.
Speaker 9: And sir, that yellow exercise band.
Speaker 6: Did you see that in that position when you saw
Speaker 6: the body of the child on the floor, Yes, he said.
Speaker 4: It night before. Sir?
Speaker 6: Did you later learn that child's name was Dawson Clancy?
Speaker 10: I did?
Speaker 6: And can you describe his physical appearance when you saw him?
Speaker 10: He was discolored, like a bluish purple.
Speaker 6: Do you remember what his face and neck looked like?
Speaker 6: What happened next?
Speaker 10: I called for paramedics to come to the basement. I
Speaker 10: also called for a supervisor, and after Josephine picked up
Speaker 10: the child and we ran him outside through the front
Speaker 10: door to the ambulance.
Speaker 16: And did did.
Speaker 6: You do anything after that? After giving Dawson to EMTs,
Speaker 6: we ran.
Speaker 10: Back down into the basement to check to see if
Speaker 10: we could find other children.
Speaker 6: And what made you think there were other children to find?
Speaker 10: When Patrick Clancy said, well, I can't wake them up
Speaker 10: instead of just a singular.
Speaker 6: And so when you went back inside, did you go
Speaker 6: back down the basement stairs correct. And this time did
Speaker 6: you go to the left?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 6: Showing you a series of photographs, you could just tell
Speaker 6: me if they clearly and accurately reflect the left side
Speaker 6: of the basement looked on January from four, twenty twenty
Speaker 6: three when you went in there.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Just for the record, they don't need to lay a foundation.
Speaker 16: I agree to the photographs, no objection to any of them,
Speaker 16: so we don't have to go through all the fun Thanks.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is marked.
Speaker 9: Is the next exhibits place?
Speaker 8: It's ninety five under the mark, thank you?
Speaker 6: Sure so showing you what's been marked is exhibit ninety five.
Speaker 6: Is this what you saw when you went down the
Speaker 6: stairs and went to the left that first few? Yes,
Speaker 6: and then showing you exhibit ninety six. Is that a
Speaker 6: further view as you go into the Yes.
Speaker 9: Now, when you went into that room, what did you see?
Speaker 10: There were two children on the floor motionless, and EMTs
Speaker 10: were and paramedics were working on them.
Speaker 6: And did you later learn that those children would core
Speaker 6: clancy and callan clancy?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Did you do anything to assist the medics at that time?
Speaker 10: Excuse me? I asked if they needed any equipment and did.
Speaker 6: They ask you to get some equipment.
Speaker 10: They asked me to grab a heart monitor, and did
Speaker 10: you do that? I went and found the fire captain
Speaker 10: to ask where I could grab one, and he was
Speaker 10: pretty upset, so I ended up going back downstairs into
Speaker 10: the basement.
Speaker 6: At some point in time. Actually, if I could show
Speaker 6: you Exhibit six again and just ask the people this
Speaker 6: point to us where you saw each child the record.
Speaker 6: The first area you pointed to was in between the
Speaker 6: blood stain and the black exercise band.
Speaker 17: Is that correct?
Speaker 6: And then the second area was over in front of
Speaker 6: that small nightstand or or some type of shelby unit.
Speaker 6: At some point in time, did you go back outside?
Speaker 10: Yes, they stated they need an officer with Lindsay Clancy.
Speaker 6: And to show you photo. You're outside near that window. Well,
Speaker 6: that's towards the right of the house. Is that where
Speaker 6: Lindsay Clintcy was, where that medical debris is, and just
Speaker 6: showing you another photograph? Is that just showing further to
Speaker 6: the in a broader area of that same scene. Yes,
Speaker 6: I could have the close up mark as the next
Speaker 6: exhibit and they broader photo as the following.
Speaker 10: They be admitted.
Speaker 6: While you were out there with a defendant, were with
Speaker 6: medical staff paramedics treating her. Yes, And did you happen
Speaker 6: to look up?
Speaker 10: Yes, I didn't.
Speaker 4: What did you see when you looked up?
Speaker 10: There was an open window with blood marks around the window.
Speaker 6: And did you also see blood marks on the shingles
Speaker 6: below that window?
Speaker 10: I didn't.
Speaker 6: Showing you a photograph here, so up at the top,
Speaker 6: is this the open window you're referring to, yes, I mean,
Speaker 6: and on the shingles here to the left and right
Speaker 6: just below that window, or those the blood.
Speaker 9: Marks you're referring to, yes, m M.
Speaker 6: And here in this photograph you had mentioned marks blood
Speaker 6: marks on the upper window.
Speaker 9: Is that what you were going to?
Speaker 6: And then here at the top of the lower window
Speaker 6: these marks here are those the other blood marks that
Speaker 6: you saw?
Speaker 10: Yes, we could have.
Speaker 9: These photos marked.
Speaker 8: As the next that's they may be admitted.
Speaker 6: While you were out there in the backyard, did you
Speaker 6: see a ripped or oh, I'm sorry. While you were outside,
Speaker 6: did you see any ripped or torn screens on the ground?
Speaker 6: What did you do next?
Speaker 10: I just went over to the paramedic and asked what
Speaker 10: I can help him with. He said she was she
Speaker 10: was good, but she kept taking her face mask off
Speaker 10: for oxygen, and so I just kept replacing it back
Speaker 10: onto her face.
Speaker 6: And when you say she, you're referring to Lindsay Clancy.
Speaker 10: Yes.
Speaker 6: And did you then help them get the stretcher to
Speaker 6: the ambulance?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: I have nothing further.
Speaker 16: All right, Frankton, thank you for your incredible services.
Speaker 3: All right, so you may stipp down? Thank you? Are
Speaker 3: you Truey Sprague?
Speaker 2: Josephine here? Thank good morning, sir?
Speaker 6: All right, counsel, thank you, good morning. Could you please
Speaker 6: stay and spill your name for the record.
Speaker 2: Brian B. R I A. N. Josephine j O. S E.
Speaker 2: P A. Chinee.
Speaker 6: And what's your day to birth sir?
Speaker 14: June thirteenth, nineteen ninety And where do you work? I
Speaker 14: work at the Duxbury Police Department.
Speaker 6: How long have you been a police officer?
Speaker 14: I started there in April of twenty.
Speaker 6: Twenty And did you work for the Plymouth Police before that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 10: I did?
Speaker 6: And how long did you do that?
Speaker 2: Almost five years?
Speaker 6: What is your current role?
Speaker 2: I am patrol officer.
Speaker 6: Back in January of twenty twenty three. What was your
Speaker 6: role with the Duxbury Police Department.
Speaker 14: I was the school resource officer for Alden and Chandler.
Speaker 2: I worked with kids kindergarten through fifth grade.
Speaker 6: Directing your attention specifically to January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 6: Were you working in an overtime shift that day?
Speaker 2: Yes, I had picked up an overtime shift.
Speaker 6: And which shift was that?
Speaker 14: It was the four to midnight but I was scheduled
Speaker 14: to work till eight pm eight pm.
Speaker 6: Yes, Now, so you were scheduled to be there from
Speaker 6: four to four pm to eight pm? Is that correct?
Speaker 2: That is correct?
Speaker 6: And you were in a cruiser, in a cruiser in
Speaker 6: a uniform.
Speaker 14: Yes, I was fully dressed in Duxbury Police uniform. I
Speaker 14: was in a marked cruiser Duxbury Police one seven to two.
Speaker 6: And did you receive a dispatch at approximately six to
Speaker 6: eleven pm to go to forty seven Summer Street in Duxbury.
Speaker 2: Yes, we did.
Speaker 6: And when you say we, were you with a partner
Speaker 6: or were you alone?
Speaker 2: No? I was by myself. We ride single and a
Speaker 2: cruise of that okay.
Speaker 6: So when you say we it was, do you mean
Speaker 6: that it was dispatched to all officers on patrol.
Speaker 14: So usually with critical incidents calls, they put it over
Speaker 14: to dispatch and they'll say Duxbury police cars start making
Speaker 14: your way to a certain address. That way everyone can
Speaker 14: get there as quickly as possible.
Speaker 6: And so then you knew at that point to go
Speaker 6: to forty seven Summer Street. Yes, And approximately how long
Speaker 6: did it take you to get there?
Speaker 2: I would say anyway from three to four minutes.
Speaker 6: So you were relatively close by when you receive the dispatch, Yes,
Speaker 6: I was. And when you arrived at forty seven Summer Street,
Speaker 6: what did you observe?
Speaker 14: Dispatch was given me description of the house. Took probably
Speaker 14: fifteen seconds for me to identify the house parked in
Speaker 14: the street. I saw the number of the house and
Speaker 14: I made my way. I believe it was a mudroom
Speaker 14: that I went to.
Speaker 9: Exhibit thirty three.
Speaker 6: When you say the mudroom that you went through, do
Speaker 6: you actually go inside.
Speaker 4: The house or did you go to the door?
Speaker 14: I went to the door to the mudroom to check
Speaker 14: if that was unlocked so I could make my way
Speaker 14: to the back of the house.
Speaker 9: And is that door depicted in this photograph?
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 9: And is it the door to the left of the garage.
Speaker 15: Yes it is, and was the door locker us?
Speaker 2: It was locked at that time?
Speaker 14: So what did you do next a radio dispatch just
Speaker 14: for confirmation of where that party we're trying to get
Speaker 14: to was located. They told me it was a round
Speaker 14: back of the house. So I tried to make my
Speaker 14: way that way.
Speaker 6: And when you went to the back of the house,
Speaker 6: how did you get there?
Speaker 14: Well, referring back to the picture where the car was parked, I.
Speaker 2: Went to the right side.
Speaker 14: And I went around the garage.
Speaker 2: There was a fence, and I went over the fence,
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 6: But showing you into at thirty three again you went
Speaker 6: by these cars and around the house to the right.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 6: Showing you exited thirty seven, does that mean that he
Speaker 6: would have been coming around the house over here by.
Speaker 9: The garage on the left and in the porch.
Speaker 2: The death Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 6: And when you came around there, what did you see?
Speaker 2: I made my way.
Speaker 14: I observed two parties, one lying in the ground and
Speaker 14: one standing over it, and I started to make my
Speaker 14: way towards the other end of the house, which is
Speaker 14: as towards this fence, as you guys can see in
Speaker 14: reference to that photo.
Speaker 6: And so when you say the other end of the house,
Speaker 6: you were talking about this area here the father's further
Speaker 6: right windows.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 6: And the person that was standing did you later learn
Speaker 6: that was Patrick Clancy?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 10: I did.
Speaker 6: And the person on the ground did you later learn
Speaker 6: that was Lindsay camp Clinton, Yes, I did. And at
Speaker 6: some point in time was Officer Hall also back there
Speaker 6: with you?
Speaker 14: Yes, he came from this side over here, the opposite
Speaker 14: direction in which.
Speaker 6: I came, so facing the house, he would have come
Speaker 6: around the left side of the house if you're facing
Speaker 6: the house.
Speaker 14: Yes, he parked on the street and came from this side,
Speaker 14: the opposite of where I came from.
Speaker 6: Okay, And do you recall what Patrick Clancy was doing
Speaker 6: when you first saw him.
Speaker 14: He was standing over Lindsay at that point it appeared
Speaker 14: that he was trying to communicate with her. I observed
Speaker 14: him with a cell phone. It was kind of down
Speaker 14: by his side, so I don't know if they were
Speaker 14: talking or what, but it was probably split second, and
Speaker 14: then he turned to my location saw me because I
Speaker 14: was illuminating the yard with my flashlight, and then that's
Speaker 14: when me and him cross pass.
Speaker 6: Okay, And so you said you saw him with his
Speaker 6: cell phone by his side. Was it in his hand
Speaker 6: by his side?
Speaker 2: Yes? I believe is in his left hand.
Speaker 6: Okay, And you say you cross passed with him approximately
Speaker 6: where did you cross paths with him?
Speaker 14: It was probably right by the bulkhead, I would say.
Speaker 9: So in the photograph to the right.
Speaker 2: Of the death is the bull, That is correct?
Speaker 9: And where was he headed?
Speaker 2: He was heading I believe up towards the deck.
Speaker 14: Yeah, obviously I didn't know it at that time, but
Speaker 14: he was just walking past me pretty fast in an
Speaker 14: abrupt manner.
Speaker 6: So and did he say anything to you as he passed?
Speaker 2: No, he did not.
Speaker 6: And after you cross passed with Patrick, where did you go?
Speaker 2: I went to the female party?
Speaker 6: And did you speak to her?
Speaker 2: I attempted to.
Speaker 15: And what did you say?
Speaker 14: I'm just trying to get basic information where she was hurt,
Speaker 14: where she needed attention, anything I can do to kind
Speaker 14: of help her until fire arrived.
Speaker 6: And did she respond to your questions?
Speaker 2: She mumbled and it wasn't a definitive answer.
Speaker 6: Did you observe any injuries?
Speaker 2: Yes, she was laying on the ground.
Speaker 14: There was cuts to her right wrist, I believe, and
Speaker 14: to the right side of her neck.
Speaker 6: And were those cuts actively bleeding at that time?
Speaker 2: They were bleeding, but not profusely.
Speaker 6: Did you are you changed in first aid?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Did you feel the need to put pressure on those
Speaker 6: wounds immediately?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 14: We also carry medical equipment such as tournique, gauze, stuff
Speaker 14: like that, and I believe, due to the circumstances that I didn't,
Speaker 14: you need to utilize those tools.
Speaker 6: And the tourniquet that you carry is that in case
Speaker 6: someone has some type of cut where an artery has
Speaker 6: been damaged or cut. Yes, it is okay, and you're
Speaker 6: trained to recognize when it's something serious like an artery
Speaker 6: spring let everywhere versus a cut that doesn't need a tourniquet. Yes,
Speaker 6: we are, and you didn't see the need for attorney.
Speaker 2: I did not know.
Speaker 6: Based on your training in firstaid and as a police officer,
Speaker 6: as a first responder. Did those wounds appear life threatening?
Speaker 2: No they did not.
Speaker 6: Did other emergency personnel from the fighting department begin to arrive?
Speaker 14: Yes, so I would say I tried to talk to
Speaker 14: Miss Clancy for probably thirty seconds to a minute, and
Speaker 14: at that point, coming from that opposite side of the house,
Speaker 14: I observed Duxbury fire personnel show up, and our protocol
Speaker 14: is to kind of turn the medical over to them
Speaker 14: because they're more highly trained than we are.
Speaker 6: And at some point in time, do you hear something? Yes,
Speaker 6: what do you hear?
Speaker 14: Myself and Officer Hall, we're standing by that window and
Speaker 14: we just started hearing loud screams.
Speaker 6: And what did you do when you heard those loud screams?
Speaker 14: We immediately were trying to figure out where they were
Speaker 14: coming from. I'm not sure if dispatch or something came
Speaker 14: over the air and said something about the basement, but
Speaker 14: we both just started making our way back towards the
Speaker 14: deck part of the house.
Speaker 6: Did you go in through the sliding glass doors.
Speaker 14: Yes, we went up the deck and through the sliding
Speaker 14: glass doors into the kitchen.
Speaker 6: And did you then head to the basement. Yes, And
Speaker 6: could you hear any sounds coming from the basement as
Speaker 6: you entered the.
Speaker 2: Kitchen, Yes, it was the exact screaming that I heard
Speaker 2: from the window.
Speaker 6: And did you go down the stairs to the basement.
Speaker 2: Yes, we did.
Speaker 6: And did you see anything as you went down the
Speaker 6: stairs after you went down the stairs?
Speaker 14: So we went down the stairs and there was a
Speaker 14: picture at the bottom of the stairs, I believe of Lindsey,
Speaker 14: Lindsay and Patrick and the basement splits off into two
Speaker 14: a right and a left area, and the sads were
Speaker 14: coming from the right area, So that's where we directed
Speaker 14: our attention to first.
Speaker 6: And did you see Patrick, Yes.
Speaker 14: That right side opens up and it's like two rooms,
Speaker 14: I believe. So we went into the forrest room, which
Speaker 14: was kind of dark, and there was some clutter and
Speaker 14: stuff around, and Patrick was in that back room at
Speaker 14: the time.
Speaker 9: Exhibit is that the doorway into that bathroom?
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 6: And then exhibit ninety three is that the inside of
Speaker 6: that bathroom?
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 6: And do you recall what, if anything Patrick was saying
Speaker 6: as you encountered him.
Speaker 14: Upon his observation of us myself an officer hall, he
Speaker 14: proceeded to head in our direction leaving that room, and
Speaker 14: at that point he looked up and he screamed, she
Speaker 14: killed the fucking kids.
Speaker 6: And after he said that, where did you go?
Speaker 14: Once he cleared himself from the doorframe, we were able
Speaker 14: to look inside the room where we observed what appeared
Speaker 14: to be a child laying motionless on the floor.
Speaker 6: And did you later learn his name is Dawson Clancy?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did?
Speaker 6: And how was he positioned?
Speaker 2: He was laying on his back.
Speaker 14: Kind of close to the gym bag for reference of
Speaker 14: that ninety three again.
Speaker 6: Is that the bag to the left of the.
Speaker 9: Child's toy.
Speaker 6: Yes, And so you're saying that he was in that
Speaker 6: area when you first saw him, Yes, he was. And
Speaker 6: do you recall whether he was on his.
Speaker 14: Back or else.
Speaker 2: He was on his back, And do.
Speaker 6: You recall his physical appearance.
Speaker 14: Like I said, he was laying on his back, his
Speaker 14: head was tilted to the right hand side.
Speaker 2: Looked at him kind.
Speaker 14: Of face area once we got closer, and his face
Speaker 14: was white, gray, lips were blue, eyes were bloodshot, looked
Speaker 14: like blood vessels were popped in his eyes.
Speaker 6: Did you notice any injuries to his neck?
Speaker 14: Seeing that, my first instinc was to kind of grab
Speaker 14: his head and tilted to the side, see if I
Speaker 14: can get a pulse. But I mean, based on my
Speaker 14: training experience from previous incidents, I knew it wasn't gonna
Speaker 14: be good, so I moved ahead and that's where I
Speaker 14: observed some red marks on that right hand side of
Speaker 14: the neck.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: And in that.
Speaker 9: Yellow exercise yes, testimony.
Speaker 6: You may have called it a blue exercise band, is
Speaker 6: that correct? Yes, But it's clearly yellow in the photo right.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's clearly yellow. I mean, there was good.
Speaker 6: So what was your focus at the time, the child?
Speaker 6: And once you saw him there with these injuries, what
Speaker 6: did you do?
Speaker 14: Based on my observations, I knew there wasn't really much
Speaker 14: I could do, so I picked the child up, went
Speaker 14: chest to chest, and as I did that, it was
Speaker 14: kind of like a mucus or a foam that leaked
Speaker 14: out of his mouth onto me. I grabbed him, went
Speaker 14: back towards the way. We came down into the basement
Speaker 14: and I headed up to the stairs where Sergeant Homestead
Speaker 14: was coming down the stairs and I started yelling to
Speaker 14: him to get out of the way.
Speaker 2: Went back up the stairs.
Speaker 14: And then into the kitchen directly adjacent to the stairs
Speaker 14: as the front foyer hallway, and I went out that
Speaker 14: out the main door into the driveway and was.
Speaker 6: There an ambulance in the driveway at that time.
Speaker 14: Yes, the ambulance was backing up and had pretty much
Speaker 14: just parked in. One of the fire was walking around
Speaker 14: to the stretcher out back.
Speaker 2: So I rushed over with Dawson and.
Speaker 14: I put him on the stretcher and that's when Sergeant
Speaker 14: Homestead and fire personnel started working for other on them.
Speaker 6: What did you do next?
Speaker 2: I went back into the house.
Speaker 6: And why did you go back into the house.
Speaker 14: I remember hearing something about kids and multiple and I
Speaker 14: just went back.
Speaker 6: And when you went back to the house, did you
Speaker 6: go to the basement?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 14: I went back in the front door, back down to
Speaker 14: the basement, and this time I went to the left
Speaker 14: hand side.
Speaker 6: And when you went to the left hand side of
Speaker 6: the basement, what did you see?
Speaker 2: Pretty much directly in my.
Speaker 14: Site was an older female laying on the ground, and
Speaker 14: then in the corner there was like a younger baby.
Speaker 6: And when you say an older female, you're referring to
Speaker 6: that she was older than Dawson.
Speaker 2: That's correct.
Speaker 6: And did you later learn her name was Cora Clancy?
Speaker 10: I did?
Speaker 6: And did you assist in treating her?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: What did you do?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 14: When I got down to the basement to fire personnel,
Speaker 14: we're already unseen. One was working on the baby and
Speaker 14: one was working on Core. Communicated with them. We worked together,
Speaker 14: and I took over doing chest compressions of Core.
Speaker 6: And were you able to see any injuries on Core
Speaker 6: at that time?
Speaker 14: Yes, she had kind of the same injuries that I
Speaker 14: explained with Dawson, the pale tint, bluish lips, bloodshot eyes,
Speaker 14: blood vessels popped. But this time she also had like
Speaker 14: dried blood around her mouth.
Speaker 6: And did you also see an area of blood near
Speaker 6: her on the floor.
Speaker 14: Yes, there was a relatively large area of blood on
Speaker 14: the floor.
Speaker 2: Actually, we're doing CPR on her that sleep deep through
Speaker 2: my hands.
Speaker 14: So I ended up moving her a little off to
Speaker 14: the side so I could position myself better.
Speaker 6: Just showing you what's been marked as Exhibit ninety seven,
Speaker 6: this red brown.
Speaker 9: Skin on the run side.
Speaker 6: Yes, while you were doing chest compressions on Cora, what
Speaker 6: was the firefighter doing, The.
Speaker 14: One that had previously been attending to Korra then went
Speaker 14: to the child that was in the.
Speaker 6: Corner, And eventually was Cora put on a stretcher and
Speaker 6: brought out.
Speaker 14: Yes, eventually I think the baby was brought out first
Speaker 14: because I think they mentioned at some point they might
Speaker 14: have found like a faint pulse or something like that,
Speaker 14: so they got him out first and then we were
Speaker 14: able to get Cora up.
Speaker 6: So that entire time while you're in the basement, are
Speaker 6: you still giving chest compressions to Cora?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean it felt like forever to the point
Speaker 14: where I think I radioed for assistance for another officer
Speaker 14: to come down.
Speaker 6: And did others come down to assist.
Speaker 14: Yes, Officer Kale came down to further assist where I
Speaker 14: continued with chest compressions and he used a bag valve
Speaker 14: mask to give rescue breasts and a bag valve mask.
Speaker 6: Is that something that goes over someone's face, a mask
Speaker 6: that's attached to a bag and you squeeze it to
Speaker 6: give air.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's an alternative breathing apparatus.
Speaker 6: At some point, do you go back upstairs to the
Speaker 6: first floor, yes? And do you encounter Patrick Clancy when
Speaker 6: you go upstairs?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 14: So when they removed Cora, myself an officer Kale went
Speaker 14: back upstairs where and counted mister Clancy in the kitchen.
Speaker 6: And what was his demeanor in the kitchen He was.
Speaker 14: Still frantic, kind of in shock, still screaming and losing himself.
Speaker 14: And I think at that point, I don't know one
Speaker 14: of us requested that we get an ambulance for him
Speaker 14: as well.
Speaker 6: Thank you, sir, nothing further, Tony Readington.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I have no questions. All right, thank you
Speaker 2: sing be such thank you.
Speaker 16: At this point I'm objecting, renewing my objection that the
Speaker 16: repetitions if.
Speaker 2: We could vacancy Severn.
Speaker 1: Ladies will bring it right back in in a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes with the next witness.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, don't quotes base.
Speaker 7: Backed up a trial economwell for us as Lindsay Clancy.
Speaker 7: All parties are present, including the defendant and the eighteen Jermors.
Speaker 2: Carbo three D.
Speaker 6: Call you next witness, thanks a right, good morning morning bye, yes,
Speaker 6: please thank you, good morning. Could you please state and
Speaker 6: spell your name for the record.
Speaker 2: PJ.
Speaker 11: Hussey h U S S E Y and your day
Speaker 11: of birth nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2: Where do you work LuxP Fire Department.
Speaker 6: And how long have you been a firefighter?
Speaker 2: Thirty two years.
Speaker 6: Are you also a paramedic?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: What's the difference between an e MT and a paramedic?
Speaker 11: Paramedic has advanced life saving skills intubation and medicine we
Speaker 11: can use.
Speaker 2: On the patients.
Speaker 6: And is there a certain type of training that you
Speaker 6: have to have as a paramedic.
Speaker 2: Yes, every two years.
Speaker 6: And to first qualify as a paramedic, what do you
Speaker 6: have to do?
Speaker 11: There's a paramedic class that you take upwards of two years,
Speaker 11: so you.
Speaker 6: Take that paramedic class. Is there a test you have
Speaker 6: to take at the.
Speaker 2: End of the state test?
Speaker 6: And once you pass that state test and become a paramedic,
Speaker 6: you have to do continuing education. Is that correct? And
Speaker 6: did you take that initial training, past that initial test
Speaker 6: and then pass all subsequent training to be a paramedic?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And how long have you been a paramedic.
Speaker 2: About seventeen years.
Speaker 6: What is your current role with the Duxbury Firefighter Fire Department.
Speaker 2: I'm a captain which is considered shift commander.
Speaker 6: And in January of twenty twenty three were you in
Speaker 6: that same role?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: What does a shift commander do?
Speaker 11: Oversees the operations of the town as far as firefighting
Speaker 11: and medical services.
Speaker 6: How many fire departments or stations?
Speaker 2: Rather?
Speaker 6: How many stations does Duxbury Fire Department have xbs two?
Speaker 6: And how far apart?
Speaker 2: Are they about ten minutes apart?
Speaker 6: And are they staffed differently than from each other?
Speaker 11: And how are they staffed at the central station as
Speaker 11: a captain and usually three and the other station this
Speaker 11: too just two firefighters.
Speaker 6: And for Duxbury are all the firefighters that work for
Speaker 6: Duxbury Fire Department also paramedics.
Speaker 2: Not all we have too EMT.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now I'm sorry the rest of medics. And when
Speaker 6: you say medics, you're talking about paramedics.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Sorry, So direct your attention to January twenty fourth, twenty
Speaker 6: twenty three. Were you working that day?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And what shift were you working?
Speaker 2: My own shift? My group shift one?
Speaker 6: And what is shift one?
Speaker 11: It's just we have four shifts and I'm just Group one,
Speaker 11: Shift one.
Speaker 6: Is there a certain time that spans time of day?
Speaker 2: No, twenty four hour shift o'clock in the morning, sayight
Speaker 2: o'clock the next morning.
Speaker 6: Okay, So you were working eight o'clock in the morning
Speaker 6: on January twenty fourth, yes, and your shift would end
Speaker 6: eight o'clock in the morning on January twenty fifth, correct.
Speaker 6: And were you working in that capacity as a shift
Speaker 6: commander on the twenty fourth yes. Now do you recall
Speaker 6: a call coming in shortly after six pm dispatching you
Speaker 6: to forty seven Summer Street in Duxbury.
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did you respond to that scene?
Speaker 2: We do?
Speaker 6: And how many vehicles in personnel responded.
Speaker 11: My car to shift command A car ambults one and
Speaker 11: engine number two.
Speaker 6: And what was the personnel in each of those vehicles?
Speaker 6: Not names necessarily, but how many people we put.
Speaker 11: Usually it's two in the mbulance, but because the severity
Speaker 11: of the call when it first came in, we put
Speaker 11: three people in the ambuls and driver, plus two medics
Speaker 11: in the inbults and then two people two fire Futo
Speaker 11: medics in the engine from the other station.
Speaker 6: So that would be six people in total, six total.
Speaker 6: And did you have anyone from the second station respond?
Speaker 2: Initially they all came, We all came at the same time.
Speaker 2: We all get dispatched at the same time.
Speaker 6: So would that have been six people total from both
Speaker 6: stations or six people from the central station?
Speaker 2: Six people total from both.
Speaker 6: And when you arrived on scene, what did you see
Speaker 6: upon arrival?
Speaker 11: There's a couple of police cruises that were there already,
Speaker 11: just had just beat us in and then we had
Speaker 11: to go up back to where the patient was located.
Speaker 6: And when you refer to the patient that was up back,
Speaker 6: was that Lindsay Clancy?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did you head to the backyard?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did you see her on the ground?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 6: And were you personally treating her or was it the
Speaker 6: other paramedics.
Speaker 2: That the paramatics were treating her? Okay?
Speaker 6: And what were you doing.
Speaker 2: Just supervising the call?
Speaker 11: Just make sure things are handled appropriately as a as
Speaker 11: a shift commander.
Speaker 12: Telling you what's been marked as Exhibit thirty seven.
Speaker 9: Do you see the area where you were in the
Speaker 9: backyard that night on the screen?
Speaker 2: Yes, if you.
Speaker 9: Wouldn't mind standing up and disappointing where you were.
Speaker 2: The patient was crossing the right here. I was over
Speaker 2: here in this area here.
Speaker 6: And if the record reflect, you pointed to the patient
Speaker 6: being to the right of the metal window, Will, and
Speaker 6: you were standing to the left of the window, Will.
Speaker 2: Is that correct? She was right below this window, so
Speaker 2: she was right in.
Speaker 6: This seria okay?
Speaker 9: And when you said right below this window, and you're
Speaker 9: pointing to the far right second story window.
Speaker 6: At some point in time while you were standing there,
Speaker 6: did you hear a loud noise?
Speaker 2: I heard a scream.
Speaker 6: And when you heard the scream, could you tell where
Speaker 6: it was coming from?
Speaker 2: It sounded like it was come from the basement.
Speaker 6: And did you did you look anywhere in particular?
Speaker 11: I was able to look through the basement window and
Speaker 11: able to see a mall, a male person down downstairs.
Speaker 9: And when you say the basement window, are you afraid
Speaker 9: to that first?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, that was showing.
Speaker 9: You again on the screen here what's been marked is
Speaker 9: Exhibit fifty.
Speaker 6: This window here on the right, does that barely represent
Speaker 6: the window that.
Speaker 9: You look through and could see down into that.
Speaker 6: And was the light on in the basement office when
Speaker 6: you look a light was on?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And what did you see when you looked in the window.
Speaker 2: After I heard the scream?
Speaker 11: I saw our male, older male gentleman, now knowing it
Speaker 11: was Patrick Clancy, unwrapping something from a child's head.
Speaker 6: And when you saw the male unwrapping something, can you
Speaker 6: demonstrate the motion that they were doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the child was on the ground, The head was
Speaker 2: towards the window, so the head was towards the.
Speaker 11: Back of the house, and he was picked the child
Speaker 11: up and he was in a circle of motion taking
Speaker 11: something off the head, around the head, around the neck.
Speaker 6: And could you see the child's face. Yes, And what
Speaker 6: observations did you make of the child's face?
Speaker 2: The head was blue?
Speaker 6: And did you later learn that child was Dawson Clancy?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: At that point, what did you do?
Speaker 11: Because of the severity of Miss Clancy on the ground.
Speaker 11: And now we have another patient, I put a all
Speaker 11: call in, which is a recall of Dutch Pray personnel,
Speaker 11: all Dutch Pray personnel if they're available, to come back
Speaker 11: to the town to help out for when I need
Speaker 11: help on the scene, and I also need help in
Speaker 11: the town to cover the town while I'm busy at
Speaker 11: this scene. And I also requested a mutual aid ambulance
Speaker 11: to respond to the scene because at.
Speaker 6: That time there's only one ambulance.
Speaker 2: That was the one ambulance from Miss Clancy.
Speaker 11: Yes, and then I called another seeing the next the
Speaker 11: next patient, I called the another ambulance and okay.
Speaker 6: And what is mutual aid?
Speaker 2: Mutual aid is this.
Speaker 11: It's a it's a shared system that all the towns
Speaker 11: use that if we get busy or.
Speaker 2: Busy with calls, we.
Speaker 11: Have to call help and from surrounding towns to give
Speaker 11: us a hand, whether it be fire related or medical related.
Speaker 6: Because that's where you only have one ambulance. We have three,
Speaker 6: but we only had one staff that night. Yes, so
Speaker 6: you call in for an additional ambulance. At some point
Speaker 6: in time, do you learn that there are two other
Speaker 6: patients or Clancy and Calm Clancy. Yes, at that point
Speaker 6: in time, do you have to do anything to call
Speaker 6: in more assistance and the scene that night, you know,
Speaker 6: discovering another victim, another victim. Was that a chaotic scene?
Speaker 2: It turned very chaotic very quickly.
Speaker 6: And was it a situation where people would start treating
Speaker 6: a patient but then have to move on to something
Speaker 6: else and someone would take over.
Speaker 2: Sort of?
Speaker 11: I had four so I had myself as a shift commander,
Speaker 11: had an EMT with me. But there's all four paramedics.
Speaker 11: So the way it ended up working, all the initial
Speaker 11: paramacs were with miss Clancy in the beginning, and then
Speaker 11: when we found the other patients, we left a paramedic
Speaker 11: with Miss Clancy, paramedic with Dawson, and then two paramedics
Speaker 11: work with the two other kids in the other room.
Speaker 6: And did someone eventually also have to be with Patrick Clancy.
Speaker 11: Eventually yes, yeah, but at the time there was nobody
Speaker 11: with them in the beginning.
Speaker 6: I have nothing further.
Speaker 3: Thank you, hik counsel, no questions, Thank you, sir, Hi,
Speaker 3: thank you, sir, thank you.
Speaker 10: You treating Bucky.
Speaker 4: Would call loring Nut as its text witness.
Speaker 6: Please m.
Speaker 2: All right, good morning, sir, good morning.
Speaker 15: Yes, please, counsel, thank you, good morning, good morning. Could
Speaker 15: you please tell the jerors your first and last name.
Speaker 2: My first name is lauring l O R I n G.
Speaker 2: My last name is nud And.
Speaker 15: You d D And do you have a nickname that
Speaker 15: you go by?
Speaker 2: I do? What everybody knows me is Chuck Chuck.
Speaker 4: And do you work, sir?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 15: What do you do for work?
Speaker 18: So I'm a five at an EMT with the Duxbury
Speaker 18: Fire Department. I am, I was at that time. I
Speaker 18: am now retired.
Speaker 15: Okay, So when did you retire?
Speaker 19: So I retired a year ago, a year ago?
Speaker 15: And so how long had you been working with Duxbury
Speaker 15: Fire before your retirement?
Speaker 2: A little over thirty years?
Speaker 4: Thirty?
Speaker 15: And can you explain what your role was as a
Speaker 15: Duxbury firefighter.
Speaker 2: So if.
Speaker 18: I was an EMT, which eighty percent of our calls
Speaker 18: are probably that related, so I'd either I would assist
Speaker 18: a paramedic or I would drive the ambulance or whatever.
Speaker 2: Was necessary at the time.
Speaker 18: And then we were also firefoo you know, did fire
Speaker 18: suppression and we were all trained in that and went
Speaker 18: to the academy and all that.
Speaker 15: Can you tell us what the difference is between an
Speaker 15: EMT and a paramedic.
Speaker 18: So a paramedic requires another year or two of training,
Speaker 18: and they're able to prescribe meds, I mean not prescribe meds,
Speaker 18: excuse me, give meds that they have according to what
Speaker 18: they need to do. They can also read the monitor
Speaker 18: that helps that shows rhythms in the heart and.
Speaker 2: What have you.
Speaker 15: Is it fair to say that as an EMT you're basic,
Speaker 15: you're trained in basic life saving techniques, while a paramedic
Speaker 15: is advanced life saving techniques.
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 15: And so at Duxbury Fire Department. Is it also fair
Speaker 15: to say that each and every firefighter has that dual
Speaker 15: role of either being an EMT paramedic and a firefighter.
Speaker 2: Yes, some are. There might be one em T, you know.
Speaker 18: Just a basic where most of them are are the
Speaker 18: medics are the but we're all all firefighters too.
Speaker 15: And in the town of Duxbury, does the town itself
Speaker 15: have its own ambulances in addition to the fire engines
Speaker 15: and there's also ladder trucks correct?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 4: Now, when you were working as.
Speaker 15: A Duxberry firefighter, what was the schedule? How did you
Speaker 15: work your shifts?
Speaker 2: So we worked twenty four hour shifts.
Speaker 15: And then how many days on and how many days off?
Speaker 18: So we'd have one day on one day off, one
Speaker 18: day on in, five off, and.
Speaker 15: A twenty four hour shift. When did it start and end?
Speaker 2: It was eight o'clock in the morning to eight o'clock
Speaker 2: the next morning.
Speaker 15: So, if I direct your attention to January twenty fourth
Speaker 15: of twenty twenty three, you were still working for the
Speaker 15: Duxbury Fire Department then correct?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 15: And were you on a twenty four hour shift that day?
Speaker 15: I was at some point during the day. Were you
Speaker 15: given kind of what your assignment was for that shift?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: What was your assignment?
Speaker 18: So that day, I mean we all kind of float
Speaker 18: around a little bit, but we had a newer member
Speaker 18: that had made progress. He was an EMT and then
Speaker 18: made it to paramedic. So I was kind of what
Speaker 18: they called the backup guy.
Speaker 2: So I would do.
Speaker 18: Whatever fill in needed to be don and I would
Speaker 18: assist with them if necessary.
Speaker 15: Okay, And so were you kind of assigned to the
Speaker 15: ambulance at the central station as that backup person?
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 15: And the person that you identified was kind of the
Speaker 15: newer employee.
Speaker 2: What was his name, paramedic Dougherity, And that.
Speaker 15: Would be Daniel Doherty, Daniel Darty. And who was the
Speaker 15: other Duxbury firefighter that was assigned to the ambulance that
Speaker 15: that you would have.
Speaker 2: Been paramedic Kevin Heath.
Speaker 15: So at approximately six o'clock or just after six pm,
Speaker 15: were you advised of a dispatch to a residence in
Speaker 15: the town of Duxbury. Yes, And where was that dispatch
Speaker 15: going to take you?
Speaker 2: So it was going to take us to Summer Street.
Speaker 15: And so you and Firefighter Heath and Firefighter Doherty. Uh,
Speaker 15: you all get in the ambulance, correct, And do you
Speaker 15: go to forty seven Summer Street. Who was in the
Speaker 15: ambulance who was assigned as kind of the driver in
Speaker 15: the tech?
Speaker 18: So at that time, because we had heard, you know,
Speaker 18: what kind of call, we had an idea what call
Speaker 18: we were going to. The two medics sat up front
Speaker 18: and were able to converse while I sat in the back.
Speaker 18: And again, was that backup guy more or less?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 15: And as far as the nature of the call that
Speaker 15: you believed you were coming into, is it fair to
Speaker 15: say that the initial call had to deal with a
Speaker 15: female that had gone out the window, possibly a suicide.
Speaker 18: Yeah, as I remember it was a second floor fall.
Speaker 15: At the time that you were dispatched to that location.
Speaker 15: Did you know that there was any pediatric patients or
Speaker 15: children involved?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 15: Now, how approximately how long did it take to get
Speaker 15: from the station Central Station to forty seven Summer Street
Speaker 15: If you.
Speaker 2: Call, I'm going to say four to five minutes.
Speaker 15: And when you arrived on scene? Were there already other
Speaker 15: emergency personnel on scene? Were you the first ambulance on
Speaker 15: the scene we were? How about fire trucks? Were there
Speaker 15: any other fire trucks from Duxbury?
Speaker 2: The fire truck you could hear it in the background,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't there yet.
Speaker 15: So is it fair to say that there were some
Speaker 15: Duxbury police cruisers that had arrived just ahead of you?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 15: Where did you go with the ambulance when you got
Speaker 15: to that address of forty seven Summer Street.
Speaker 18: So as we were pulling up, I could hear the
Speaker 18: two guys up front say the cruises are.
Speaker 2: In the way of the driveway.
Speaker 18: So I said, okay, you guys take the call, meaning
Speaker 18: get out of the car and get started, Get out
Speaker 18: of the truck and get started, and I'll take care
Speaker 18: of the truck.
Speaker 15: And so when you come to the address, are you
Speaker 15: able to at least pull into the driver at some point?
Speaker 18: Not at that point, I because I was in the back,
Speaker 18: I switched to the driver's seat, and at that time
Speaker 18: I saw an officer coming and he was getting ready
Speaker 18: to move the vehicle that was in our way.
Speaker 2: So that I could back in.
Speaker 15: And so were you able to then back the vehicle
Speaker 15: back the ambulance into the driveway?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 15: And were there other vehicles that were not emergency personnel
Speaker 15: vehicles in the driveway.
Speaker 18: There might have been some of their vehicles, but there
Speaker 18: might have been, but I don't really I had enough
Speaker 18: room to put my vehicle there, and that's all they hated.
Speaker 15: Okay, So when you backed the ambulance in, Firefighter Heath
Speaker 15: and Firefighter Doherty, what did they do?
Speaker 2: They had already jumped out.
Speaker 18: They had already jumped out, grabbed the gear and taken
Speaker 18: off for the back of the house.
Speaker 15: Once you got the ambulance secured in the driveway, what
Speaker 15: did you do?
Speaker 18: So, assuming that they were going to need a stretcher,
Speaker 18: I started pulling a stretcher out of the back of
Speaker 18: the ambulance.
Speaker 15: And again you said you backed the ambulance in correct.
Speaker 15: As you were pulling the stretcher out of the back
Speaker 15: of the ambulance, did you observe somebody coming from the house.
Speaker 19: Yes, what did you see?
Speaker 2: One of the police officers was carrying a child, and so.
Speaker 15: What did you do when you saw him carrying the
Speaker 15: child out of the house.
Speaker 2: So at that point, the stretcher was almost out of the.
Speaker 18: Vehicle, and I said, over here, and he placed them
Speaker 18: on the stretcher.
Speaker 15: Were you able to make observations of the child as
Speaker 15: he's being placed on the stretcher? I was, What did
Speaker 15: he look like?
Speaker 18: So his face was blue, he had marks around his neck,
Speaker 18: and his body was pale.
Speaker 15: And so once the officer or first off, was the
Speaker 15: officer somebody you knew from Duxbury?
Speaker 2: Correct? Whose officer? Homestead?
Speaker 19: Okay?
Speaker 15: And once the child was placed on the stretcher, what
Speaker 15: did you do after you made that initial observations of him?
Speaker 18: So we rolled it right inside so he could start
Speaker 18: doing CPR.
Speaker 15: Now, as an EMT, what is the first thing you
Speaker 15: generally do when you're observing a patient or assessing a patient?
Speaker 18: So you always look for response, and you go for airway.
Speaker 15: And fair to say, there's kind of what they call
Speaker 15: the ABC's correct. Can you tell the jurors what that means?
Speaker 15: So it's a way breathing, circulation, And in this circumstance,
Speaker 15: were you able to observe the child breathing on his own?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 15: How about were you able to secure an airway for him?
Speaker 6: Not?
Speaker 2: At that time we were still doing this.
Speaker 15: Deplominary And how about circulation or pulse or cardiac activity?
Speaker 15: Were you able to determine any of that upon your
Speaker 15: initial assessment of him at that point. Now, now, after
Speaker 15: you are in the back of the ambulance, do other
Speaker 15: EMTs or other paramedics come and assist.
Speaker 4: You with the child?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 18: So when the patient was getting rolled in, I also
Speaker 18: yelled out to my captain, hoping that he was going
Speaker 18: to hear me, that I needed a medic in my
Speaker 18: truck because I needed him to know that there was
Speaker 18: some many in my truck. And I'm assuming someone heard
Speaker 18: me and they then directed a medic to my truck
Speaker 18: once one appeared.
Speaker 15: Okay, And so the medic that came to the track
Speaker 15: was that Keith Nettie. Yes, And that was not the
Speaker 15: original person who went to the scene with you in
Speaker 15: the ambulance, Was it correct? And what what happened when
Speaker 15: you had the child in the back of the ambulance,
Speaker 15: What did you guys do to try to tend to him.
Speaker 18: So we started, we were doing CPR, and then there
Speaker 18: was a he wanted to check the monitor, so we
Speaker 18: we get the monitor.
Speaker 4: Out and.
Speaker 15: With the monitor, what was the monitor supposed to be
Speaker 15: looking for? And so do you have to kind of
Speaker 15: hook that up to the patient in order to assess
Speaker 15: whether there's any activity? And those monitors that you have
Speaker 15: in your equipment, do they do anything more than just
Speaker 15: check for heart rate?
Speaker 18: The paramedic can then look and see what kind of
Speaker 18: not just a heart rate, but a rhythm.
Speaker 15: And then if there is not a rhythm, does that
Speaker 15: machine help you to do anything to try to restart somebody's.
Speaker 18: Heart with a rhythm with the rhythm that they gave us,
Speaker 18: They said you can, we can disconnect it because they
Speaker 18: were concerned they needed more, They needed the monitor downstairs too,
Speaker 18: or elsewhere.
Speaker 15: And is it fair to say that at that point
Speaker 15: you are assisting the paramedic with their assessment and running
Speaker 15: that equipment and checking the monitor.
Speaker 2: I'll allow it, but let's kind of move on.
Speaker 15: I'm sorry, that's okay. Yes, are you assisting the paramedic
Speaker 15: at that point to treat the child in the ambulance.
Speaker 15: At some point, do you leave the ambulance?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 15: And where do you go after you leave the ambulance?
Speaker 2: I bring the monitor down to the basement.
Speaker 15: Are the other paramedics in the other responders still working
Speaker 15: on the child?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 20: And to be because my cat uh is setting your
Speaker 20: equipment in the.
Speaker 15: Were you to make observations of those children?
Speaker 2: Not really? I mean they were, they weren't.
Speaker 15: Crying and fair to say they were being treated by others.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 15: And so once you dropped off that equipment, did you
Speaker 15: go back outside? And what ultimately was your role at
Speaker 15: the end of this call? What were you asked to do?
Speaker 2: I was asked to drive.
Speaker 15: So so the ambulance that responded from Duxbury, that's ambulance
Speaker 15: number one, Ambulance one. Did you drive that ambulance to
Speaker 15: a hospital?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 15: Which hospital was that?
Speaker 2: I forget if it wass a Jordan on the bi now,
Speaker 2: but it's the Plymouth.
Speaker 15: Boss here in Plymouth and that was with Dawson Clancy
Speaker 15: in the back.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 2: Correct for the question.
Speaker 16: Thank you, Thank you, Trey Wrington, no questions, enjoy your retirement.
Speaker 3: All right, Thank you, sir, Thank you. Tony Buckingham call
Speaker 3: Keiths next, please please good morning, sir, Hi counsel.
Speaker 15: Thank you, good morning, good morning. Could you please tell
Speaker 15: the juris your first and last name?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 17: First name is Keith, last name is Nattie An E. T.
Speaker 4: T and U.
Speaker 15: Where do you work?
Speaker 2: Sir?
Speaker 17: I work for the Duxbury Fire Department.
Speaker 15: How long have you been with the Duxbury Fire Department?
Speaker 17: About seventeen years?
Speaker 15: And currently working for the Duxbury Fire Department. What is
Speaker 15: your role?
Speaker 17: What do you do there right now? I'm a captain
Speaker 17: shift commander And.
Speaker 15: Are you a firefighter as well as a trained paramedic?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 15: At tax Very Fire you all work twenty four hour shifts.
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 4: If I draw your.
Speaker 15: Attention to January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, do you
Speaker 15: recall working a twenty four hour shift that day?
Speaker 2: I was at home, okay?
Speaker 15: And so what what was the shift that you were
Speaker 15: working that week if you remember?
Speaker 17: I believe that worked maybe two days prior. I don't
Speaker 17: really remember.
Speaker 15: Okay, So you were on a day off?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 17: Correct?
Speaker 15: And how was it that you ended up being involved
Speaker 15: in the call at forty seven Summer Street on January
Speaker 15: twenty fourth?
Speaker 17: We were recalled from via a pager and a text
Speaker 17: message that there was an incident going on and that
Speaker 17: we were to respond.
Speaker 15: So can you explain to us how that works?
Speaker 17: So a tone goes off through dispatch, that sends off
Speaker 17: a pager at our houses that alerts us, and then
Speaker 17: we also get text messages about the incident and then
Speaker 17: respond either to the station or to the scene, whichever
Speaker 17: they request.
Speaker 15: As a Duxbury firefighter, are part of your responsibilities to
Speaker 15: respond to these these recalls?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 15: Is it a voluntary thing?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: So if you weren't disposed or unavailable when a call
Speaker 15: went out a tone went out, would you be expected
Speaker 15: to respond to the scene.
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 15: But in this case, on January twenty fourth, just after
Speaker 15: six pm, you heard that call go out, correct?
Speaker 10: Correct?
Speaker 15: And so then what did you do when you heard
Speaker 15: the call?
Speaker 17: I drove to the scene in my personal truck.
Speaker 15: When you got to the scene, what did you see?
Speaker 17: I saw police and fire vehicles. Then I walked up
Speaker 17: the driveway and walked into the back of the ambulance.
Speaker 15: Now when you arrived and saw police, so that was
Speaker 15: Duxbury Police, correct, And the fire personnel that was on
Speaker 15: the scene who was on the scene.
Speaker 4: If you remember, I.
Speaker 17: Only saw two people on scene initially that was Kevin
Speaker 17: Heath and Sergeant Homestead.
Speaker 15: Okay, and Sergeant Homestead is a Duxberry officer, correct. Now?
Speaker 15: Was there a Duxbury ambulance in the driveway when you
Speaker 15: pulled up?
Speaker 19: Yes?
Speaker 15: And before even getting past that ambulance, were you asked
Speaker 15: to assist?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: What did you see when you came to the back
Speaker 15: of that ambulance?
Speaker 17: I saw an officer, Sergeant Homestead and Kevin Heath doing
Speaker 17: CPR on aa child.
Speaker 15: Had you seen how the child ended up in the
Speaker 15: ambulance or did you come after?
Speaker 17: I came after.
Speaker 15: Did you then help take over with treating that child
Speaker 15: in the back of the ambulance?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: What was your initial observation of the patient? What did
Speaker 15: he look like?
Speaker 2: Blue?
Speaker 17: White, non responsive, not breathing, no pules.
Speaker 15: And this particular patient did you come to learn him
Speaker 15: to be the child named Dawson Clancy? Yes, and he
Speaker 15: is approximately three years old?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 15: What kind of treatment.
Speaker 4: Did you and.
Speaker 15: The paramedic Heath offer to Dawson in the back of
Speaker 15: the ambulance? What did you do?
Speaker 17: We try to start an IVY, then we also start
Speaker 17: in IO, which is kind of like an ivy tried intubation,
Speaker 17: which is advanced airway medications and continued CPR.
Speaker 15: So an ivy, that's just putting a needle into somebody
Speaker 15: and trying to pump fluids in medicine, correct, correct? Tell
Speaker 15: us what an io is in.
Speaker 17: Io inter ossius, which is basically into the bone marrow
Speaker 17: on the on the lower lake.
Speaker 15: So what do you do to try to enter an io?
Speaker 17: Usually we have a drill, but we had a manual
Speaker 17: one instead.
Speaker 15: So what do you do with the manual drill to.
Speaker 19: Enter the io?
Speaker 17: You just twist anything it goes.
Speaker 15: Into the bone and where what bone do you do
Speaker 15: you attempt to do this? And were you able to
Speaker 15: over that io into Dawson?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: What is the purpose of the io versus the IV.
Speaker 17: If the patient has difficult access, which pediatrics.
Speaker 15: Do, And in this circumstance, what kinds of medication were
Speaker 15: you trying to deliver through the io to Dawson?
Speaker 17: Epinephrin?
Speaker 15: What's the purpose of epinephrine?
Speaker 17: Basically kind of just kind of helps to restart.
Speaker 15: The heart and at this point he had no heart activity.
Speaker 10: Correct.
Speaker 15: You also mentioned attempts to intubate. Can you tell us
Speaker 15: what that means?
Speaker 17: So intubation is an advanced airway where you put a
Speaker 17: tube into the airway to secure to deliver high flow oxygen.
Speaker 15: Were you able to intubate Dawson?
Speaker 17: Yes, Kevin Heath did.
Speaker 15: And what do you do when you enter the tool to.
Speaker 17: Intubate You go into the mouth and you do a
Speaker 17: motion of pulling up to see the vocal course so
Speaker 17: you can pass a tube through.
Speaker 15: And what do you attach to the tube to try
Speaker 15: to increase the breath oxygen?
Speaker 17: And BVM, which is a basically you're squeezing a bag.
Speaker 15: So BVM would stand for bag valve mask.
Speaker 10: Correct.
Speaker 15: While you were treating a Dawson and a making doing
Speaker 15: the airway, intubating him giving in the medicines, were you
Speaker 15: able to observe anything about the area of his neck?
Speaker 19: Yes?
Speaker 15: What did you observe about his neck?
Speaker 17: Dark red marks around his neck?
Speaker 15: Now, all of this is happening while you are in
Speaker 15: the back of the ambulance with firefighter Heath correct?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 15: And do you recall another Ducksbury officer being present, Dan Doherty.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 15: Eventually was that ambulance then sent to the local hospital?
Speaker 15: Which hospital did you guys go to? On the ride
Speaker 15: to the hospital. Did you ever get a pulse for Dawson?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 15: Were you ever to able to resume breathing using that
Speaker 15: method with about bag valve mask the efforts to give
Speaker 15: him the medication epinephrin, did it ever do anything to
Speaker 15: start his heart?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 15: When you arrived at the Beth Israel Hospital emergency department,
Speaker 15: tell us how you transferred the care of the patient.
Speaker 17: We wield a stretcher and we went into the first room,
Speaker 17: which is Trauma one and Trauma two. We moved the
Speaker 17: patient over to their bed, then transfer care.
Speaker 15: While you were at the emergency department at Beth Israel,
Speaker 15: did you see another child from that same home come
Speaker 15: in and what department.
Speaker 4: Brought them in our department, Marshfield?
Speaker 15: Did you do anything to assist Marshfield when they came
Speaker 15: through the emergency department.
Speaker 17: I assisted in compressions when they were getting the child
Speaker 17: out of the ambulance.
Speaker 15: And is that something that is ongoing during transfer when
Speaker 15: you're trying to transfer care from to the emergency staff.
Speaker 20: Yes.
Speaker 15: Being the father of the children at the emergency department,
Speaker 15: that that evening when you were there and you.
Speaker 17: Can't said and yeah, just basically visually upset.
Speaker 15: Did you do anything yourself to assist him.
Speaker 17: When he was there, I assisted to get a chair
Speaker 17: in case you need to sit down.
Speaker 15: And was that before or after the children had passed
Speaker 15: had been declared?
Speaker 10: I believe it was after.
Speaker 15: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Are you ready to have no questions? Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: Thank you can be stepped down. Thank you.
Speaker 4: The commonal would call Patrick Dwyer as his next fitness.
Speaker 2: M hmmm, same objection. Good morning sir, Yes, the counselor.
Speaker 15: Thank you, Good morning morning. Could you please tell the
Speaker 15: juror your.
Speaker 2: First and last name, Patrick Dwyer.
Speaker 15: Can you please spell your last name for the record.
Speaker 2: D w y E R.
Speaker 15: And how you employed?
Speaker 10: Sir?
Speaker 2: I'm a firefighter paramedic at the Duxbury.
Speaker 15: Fire And in what capacity are you a firefighter or paramedic?
Speaker 15: Do you have any supervisory rules?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not a supervisor at the department.
Speaker 15: Now in your role as a firefighter and a paramedic,
Speaker 15: are you did you receive training for those rules?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: And how long have you worked for the Duxbury Fire Department?
Speaker 2: In my eighth year?
Speaker 15: Right now, I'm going to draw your attention tention to
Speaker 15: January twenty fourth of twenty twenty three. Do you recall
Speaker 15: working that day?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: Were you on a twenty four hour shift? Yes, and
Speaker 15: so that would be an eight am to eight am correct?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 15: At approximately six o'clock or just after six pm? Where
Speaker 15: you dispatch to forty seven Summer Street.
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: What was your assignment that day on shift?
Speaker 2: I was working on the engine out of our station two.
Speaker 15: Where is station two located in the Tanner Duxberry.
Speaker 2: On Franklin Street.
Speaker 15: When the dispatch came into forty seven Summer Street. Do
Speaker 15: you know how approximately how long it took you to
Speaker 15: get from station two to the location?
Speaker 2: A few minutes?
Speaker 15: Who was working with you at station two that day?
Speaker 2: Jennifer Stratton?
Speaker 15: What were each of your designated roles?
Speaker 2: I believe jen was driving the engine and I was
Speaker 2: an officer seat.
Speaker 15: Now at Station two in Duxbury, is it normal for
Speaker 15: just two of you to be on shifts at that
Speaker 15: station at any given time?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: Correct, and fair to say there are other firefighters and
Speaker 15: paramedics that are on staff at the central station. Correct. Correct,
Speaker 15: And in this dispatch, you at Station two on the
Speaker 15: engine were dispatched to forty seven Summer Street.
Speaker 2: Correct, that's correct.
Speaker 15: When you received the dispatch did you have any information
Speaker 15: that there had been children involved?
Speaker 2: No, we did not.
Speaker 4: When you got to the scene.
Speaker 2: What did you see when we got there? It was
Speaker 2: dark out. We started walking towards the house and the
Speaker 2: other firefighters were there before us. Then we were directed
Speaker 2: to go to the basement.
Speaker 4: Before going to.
Speaker 15: The basement, where you directed towards the outside of the
Speaker 15: house and then redirected to the basement.
Speaker 2: We were walking towards the backyard, so believe that's where
Speaker 2: the first person was located. So we're kind of making
Speaker 2: our way back there.
Speaker 15: So I'm just going to show you what's been previously
Speaker 15: marched as exhibit number thirty four.
Speaker 4: Can you see it on the screen next to you? Yes,
Speaker 4: and so would this be forty seven.
Speaker 15: Summer Street, Yes, and fair to say you were.
Speaker 4: On your way to the backyard on the left side
Speaker 4: when you were redirected.
Speaker 10: Yes.
Speaker 9: Did you ever make it into the backyard?
Speaker 2: We went through the backyard to go into the residence.
Speaker 15: Yes, you could take a look at that screen again.
Speaker 4: I'm going to show you.
Speaker 15: Eight.
Speaker 9: Can you see over here sliding glass doors?
Speaker 2: Yes, that where you entered the house.
Speaker 15: Yes, you indicated that you also went to the basement.
Speaker 2: Correct, correct.
Speaker 15: When you got into the house and went down into
Speaker 15: the basement, which side did you go to at the
Speaker 15: bottom of the stairs, the right or the left?
Speaker 2: We went down to the left.
Speaker 15: What did you observe when you went down into the basement?
Speaker 2: We saw two children on the ground and the father
Speaker 2: sitting on the couch next them.
Speaker 15: Again, I'm just going to show you what's been previously
Speaker 15: marked at ninety five. Is that fair to be the
Speaker 15: left side?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: And exhibit ninety six, where did you see the father?
Speaker 2: I was sitting on a culture something in the area.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly which one.
Speaker 15: Did you also observe the children on the floor?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: How many children?
Speaker 2: Two?
Speaker 15: What did you do when you observed the children?
Speaker 2: We started cpror in cardiac arrest?
Speaker 15: Okay?
Speaker 4: And so which child did you work on?
Speaker 2: The five year old girl?
Speaker 15: Where was she located.
Speaker 2: On the floor in that room?
Speaker 15: So, as far as looking at exhibit number ninety six,
Speaker 15: does that depict the area at general area where you
Speaker 15: saw the five year old child?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: Where did you treat her?
Speaker 4: Where did you see her?
Speaker 2: Right in that area? I can't remember exactly where it was.
Speaker 15: In this photograph of exhibit number ninety six, do you
Speaker 15: see a lot of equipment. Yes, And I'm just going
Speaker 15: to show you Exhibit one oh one two with some
Speaker 15: more equipment.
Speaker 4: Do you see all that equipment there?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Is that equipment that was used to treat the five
Speaker 4: year old child?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Did you learn her name to later becore?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: While you were assisting or working with Cora. What was
Speaker 15: Jen Stratton doing, your.
Speaker 2: Partner, she was with the other child.
Speaker 15: Do you recall where the other child was in relation
Speaker 15: to Cora?
Speaker 2: And they're kind of right next to each other.
Speaker 15: So again showing you exhibit number ninety six, if you
Speaker 15: look to the middle of the photograph, there's a red
Speaker 15: spot on the floor.
Speaker 9: Is that a fair place where Cora was?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: And would the other child, the younger infant, was he
Speaker 15: closer to the couch or the bed area or was
Speaker 15: he in a different location.
Speaker 2: In the recent Probably more towards the side I would say,
Speaker 2: I can remember when you say this side, like, what
Speaker 2: do you see in the picture to depict where probably
Speaker 2: closer to the cardiac monitor?
Speaker 15: Okay, And can you tell us which is the cardiac monitor?
Speaker 2: Is it here at the bottom, Yes, that piece of
Speaker 2: equipment right.
Speaker 15: There, And again an exhibit one a one. Can you
Speaker 15: see the cardiac wander a little better?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 9: Where is it in this photograph?
Speaker 10: Right there?
Speaker 4: Do you mind just getting up and pointing to it
Speaker 4: on the street?
Speaker 15: So we're talking about this black bag that is sort
Speaker 15: of off center of the photograph next to a blue bag.
Speaker 4: Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2: Sorry? What was the question?
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to locate it on the picture for
Speaker 4: the record.
Speaker 15: So you pointed to a black bag that's kind of
Speaker 15: off center in this photograph.
Speaker 9: Correct?
Speaker 4: This is oh, thank you.
Speaker 15: When you started to treat Kora, what were your observations
Speaker 15: of her when you came upon her.
Speaker 2: I noticed she kind of like she had some burst
Speaker 2: blood vessels around her eyes.
Speaker 15: Did you make any observation of the color of her.
Speaker 2: Skin that was kind of pale bluish?
Speaker 15: When you approach the patient, what's the first thing that
Speaker 15: you do to assess them.
Speaker 2: I check for a breathing, check for a pulse.
Speaker 15: Did she have a pulse?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 15: Was she breathing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 15: And when you're doing those things, are you able to
Speaker 15: make observations of the area around their face, like their
Speaker 15: nose in their mouth.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 15: In this circumstance with Cora, did you notice anything around.
Speaker 2: Her mouth, around her mouth, not that I can recall.
Speaker 15: When you are trying to assess her breathing. Is there
Speaker 15: anything you do to try to resuscitate somebody or.
Speaker 4: Get them to breathe.
Speaker 2: Yes, you would use a bag valve mask to help
Speaker 2: them breathe.
Speaker 15: Did you do that for Cora.
Speaker 2: Eventually when we get the equipment down there. Yes?
Speaker 15: And were you able to use that device and get
Speaker 15: her to breathe on your own?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 15: And while you're utilizing that bag valve mask, fair to say,
Speaker 15: you're in close contact and making observations of the patient's
Speaker 15: face and mouth correct.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 15: And you indicated that you're not sure if you were
Speaker 15: called seeing anything around her mouth.
Speaker 2: Not nothing particularly that I can think of approach.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you And if you can read nineteen to yourself.
Speaker 15: That fresh memory, what did you have in.
Speaker 4: Or around Cora's mouth?
Speaker 2: That you did have some blood in our mouth?
Speaker 15: Did eventually other emergency staff come down and help you
Speaker 15: with rendering aid on Korra Yes? And fair to say
Speaker 15: one of the things that you do is maintain compressions
Speaker 15: and CPR.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 15: And can you do that by yourself or do you
Speaker 15: often have to have somebody help.
Speaker 2: We usually have multiple people working, and in.
Speaker 15: This circumstance with the treatment of Cora, other people came
Speaker 15: and helped you with those things.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 15: Were you eventually able to prepare her to leave the basement.
Speaker 2: Area, Yes, once we get more first responders down there,
Speaker 2: and fair to.
Speaker 15: Say there was first responders from other departments that came
Speaker 15: and helped prepare to bring Cora out of the basement. Correct.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 15: Do you recall how she left the basement?
Speaker 2: We took her out of a basement on a backboard
Speaker 2: up the bulkhead stairs.
Speaker 15: And the firefighters that were assisting putting on the back ard.
Speaker 15: Do you remember where they were from?
Speaker 2: What town Marshfield?
Speaker 15: When Core was placed into an ambulance? Do you remember
Speaker 15: what ambulance she was placed.
Speaker 2: Into, Marshfield Ambulance.
Speaker 15: Did you continue to help assist them when she was
Speaker 15: put in the ambulance?
Speaker 2: Yes, I went to a hospital with them.
Speaker 15: And do you remember who the office or the firefighters
Speaker 15: were that were from Marshfield that were helping.
Speaker 2: You, Ah, Yes, Andrew Wilkins, Brian Ryan, Henry and Kerry
Speaker 2: Cover and fair to.
Speaker 15: Say Andrew and Ryan were in the back of the
Speaker 15: ambulance with you, correct, Yes, and Carrie was driving.
Speaker 2: I believe she was in the back also, Okay.
Speaker 15: At some point somebody happed in the front seat and drove.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 15: And when you got to the hospital which hospital did
Speaker 15: you transport to.
Speaker 2: Betha Israel Plymouth?
Speaker 15: Where efforts continued to be made in that transport from
Speaker 15: Duxbury to Beth Israel and Plymouth.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 15: While inside of the ambulance, did you try to use
Speaker 15: that use one of those cardiac machines to shock or
Speaker 15: differbillate Cora?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Was there any result for that?
Speaker 2: We chocked once but did not regain pulses.
Speaker 15: And when you got to the hospital, did you transfer
Speaker 15: care to the emergency staff at Beth Israel?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: And did you do anything further and the Karen treatment
Speaker 15: of Cora not.
Speaker 2: Once we transferred care. It's ring good, no question, Thank
Speaker 2: you sir. All right, thank you, so me sip down.
Speaker 2: Thanks cool, Tree Spring.
Speaker 9: Calls Jennifer Stratton, just go right there.
Speaker 2: Thank good morning.
Speaker 8: All right, I'm going to ask you to keep your
Speaker 8: voice up so the jury can gain you.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, thank you, yeah, Tree Spray.
Speaker 6: Thank you, good morning. Can you please stay and spell
Speaker 6: your name for the record.
Speaker 21: Yes, Jennifer Stratton J E N N I F E
Speaker 21: R S T R A T T O N in
Speaker 21: your day of birth July eleventh to nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 21: Where do you work Duxbury Fire Department And how long
Speaker 21: have you been a Duxbury firefighter?
Speaker 2: Twelve years?
Speaker 6: Are you also a paramedic?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And how long have you been a paramedic about thirteen
Speaker 6: And have you completed all the training and certification required
Speaker 6: to be a paramedic?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: I want to direct your attention to January twenty fourth,
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. Were you working that day?
Speaker 2: Yes? I was?
Speaker 6: And were you working at twenty four hour shift that
Speaker 6: started at eight am?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And were you part of a crew that was dispatched
Speaker 6: to forty seven Summer Street just after six pm?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And who was with you in that crew?
Speaker 21: Firefighter Patrick Dwyer was with me in the engine that night.
Speaker 6: And approximately how long did it take you to get
Speaker 6: from the station you were located at to forty seven
Speaker 6: Summer Street.
Speaker 19: Maybe four or five minutes?
Speaker 6: And were you driving?
Speaker 15: I was driving that night.
Speaker 6: What did you see when you arrived?
Speaker 21: Pulled up to the address, saw our ambulance crew. They
Speaker 21: had arrived just before we did. They were starting to
Speaker 21: walk to the back.
Speaker 2: Of the house.
Speaker 6: And did you follow yes? And what did you see
Speaker 6: in the backyard?
Speaker 21: Came to the backyard, saw Firefighter Dan Doherty kneeling next
Speaker 21: to a person. It was very dark, ended up being
Speaker 21: Miss Clancy. That was all we saw for a few seconds.
Speaker 6: And at that point, did you hear something?
Speaker 21: We did heard a voice yelling for us to get
Speaker 21: inside of the house, that there was a kid hanging
Speaker 21: in the basement.
Speaker 6: And did you go into the house? We did? And
Speaker 6: what entrance? Did you go in through the slider doors
Speaker 6: in the rear and did that lead you into the kitchen?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And then did you proceed to the basement yes? When
Speaker 6: you got down to the basement, down the basement stairs.
Speaker 6: Would it be accurate to state that you can either
Speaker 6: go right or left?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Which direction did you go?
Speaker 2: We took a left?
Speaker 6: And what did you see when you went left?
Speaker 21: We took a left, and we saw Callen and Cora
Speaker 21: face up on the ground.
Speaker 6: And when you saw them, what did you do?
Speaker 21: I immediately jumped on the radio to ask for two
Speaker 21: additional ambulances, that we needed more help, and we Patrick
Speaker 21: ran to Cora and I went to Callan.
Speaker 6: And as Exhibit one hundred, is this the room that
Speaker 6: you entered?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 9: And where was Cora to your memory?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 21: Cora was uh just to be left in this picture
Speaker 21: and Callen was just the right.
Speaker 6: And when you say just to the left, are you
Speaker 6: putting over towards the equipment against the wall in the picture?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 9: And when you say to the right, are you pointing
Speaker 9: to the.
Speaker 6: Area to the right of the dresser, yes, showing you
Speaker 6: Exhibit ninety eight. Is that the area where Callen was found?
Speaker 19: Yes?
Speaker 6: And close up Exhibit ninety nine. Do you see the
Speaker 6: pajamas there, the stethoscope in the blue exercise band.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 9: Do you you recall or moving Callen's pajamas.
Speaker 15: Trita, I did, yes, Bill.
Speaker 6: When you when you went over to Callen, you remove
Speaker 6: his clothing? What do you what do you do after that?
Speaker 21: I didn't remove his entire uh? Ones you right away
Speaker 21: made sure that checked him for a pulse he did
Speaker 21: not have one, immediately started chest compressions on him.
Speaker 6: Now, for this is an eight month old baby. Is
Speaker 6: the way you do chest compressions for a baby different
Speaker 6: than other people other ages?
Speaker 15: Yes?
Speaker 21: Because of the size you have to scoop your arms
Speaker 21: around and you compress with your thumbs and stud.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, so you said you have to put your
Speaker 6: hands underneath on the back of the child and then
Speaker 6: use your thumbs to do compressions. Yes, is that what
Speaker 6: you did for Callen?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And what did you do next?
Speaker 21: Continued CPR on him until more help and hands started
Speaker 21: to arrive on scene. We had an off duty firefighter,
Speaker 21: Tom Brandt come in and he started to assist me.
Speaker 21: He took over compressions briefly while more help started to arrive.
Speaker 6: When Brant took over chess compressions, what did.
Speaker 4: You do at that point?
Speaker 21: Someone had brought down a bag valve mass to help
Speaker 21: us deliver oxygen to the child.
Speaker 15: And we started delivering oxygen to the child.
Speaker 6: And at some point did you remove the pajamas completely?
Speaker 6: And when you removed the pajamas completely? Was that so
Speaker 6: someone could attempt to get IOE access through the baby's legs?
Speaker 6: And was that successful?
Speaker 19: That was not successful?
Speaker 6: Now is that difficult to do with a child that age?
Speaker 21: It's a little more difficult, so it's a less frequent
Speaker 21: practice skill.
Speaker 6: But were multiple attempts made to get the ivy and
Speaker 6: access into the bone in Kellen's leg.
Speaker 21: I attempted once, and another provider attempted a second time.
Speaker 2: I don't remember who that.
Speaker 6: Was, and neither neither attempt was successful. What did you
Speaker 6: do next? What was your answer for what? I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: was either attempted successful?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: What did you do next?
Speaker 21: Eventually can and Fire arrived on scene to provide the
Speaker 21: ambulance for transport for Callen. I don't know how long
Speaker 21: we were in the base before, but we did make
Speaker 21: the decision eventually it was time to get moving to
Speaker 21: the truck and start going to the hospital.
Speaker 6: While you were working on Callen, did you notice any
Speaker 6: injuries on him?
Speaker 21: Yes, he had deep strangulation marks around the entire circumference.
Speaker 6: Of his neck and throughout the entire time that you're
Speaker 6: in the basement, our chest compressions being done and you're
Speaker 6: trying to assist him with breathing.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: Did he in the home ever gain a pulse or
Speaker 6: the ability to breathe?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 21: He did not.
Speaker 6: Was he eventually taken to the ambulance?
Speaker 19: Yes?
Speaker 6: And how was he removed from the basement and brought
Speaker 6: to the ambulance.
Speaker 21: I scooped him up in my arms and carried him outside.
Speaker 6: To the truck and did you go with him in
Speaker 6: that transport to the hospital. Yes, And at any point
Speaker 6: in time did he regain the ability to breathe or
Speaker 6: heartbeat during that transport?
Speaker 2: No he did not.
Speaker 6: Was care transferred to medical staff at Beth and this
Speaker 6: is real, Deaconess Plymouth, Yes, they were nothing further, Thank.
Speaker 2: You, thanks great, thank you.
Speaker 6: Be sipped down for come well calls. Robert Costanzo, Sure Constanzo?
Speaker 2: Wait this week? Good movie? Soon morning? Yes? Please, thank you?
Speaker 6: Good morning. Can you please state and spell your.
Speaker 19: Name for the record, It's Robert Costanzo cos T A
Speaker 19: n z O.
Speaker 6: And your day of birth please?
Speaker 19: Four twenty four, nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 6: Where do you work I Broke Fire Department and how
Speaker 6: long have you been a Pembroke firefighter?
Speaker 19: I've been there since twenty eleven.
Speaker 6: And are you also a paramedic?
Speaker 2: I am?
Speaker 6: How long have you been a paramedic?
Speaker 19: I've been with Pembroke for since twenty eleven when I
Speaker 19: started an EMS in two thousand and six.
Speaker 6: And have you on all the training and certification required
Speaker 6: to be a paramedic?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: I want to direct your attention to January twenty fourth,
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. Were you working that day?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 15: I was.
Speaker 6: And were you working in overtime shift that day?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: What was your role on that shift?
Speaker 19: I was assigned to the ambulance.
Speaker 6: And at some point after six pm that day, was
Speaker 6: there a call put out by Duxbury Fire Department for
Speaker 6: mutual aid?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And being members of the Pembroke Fire Department, did you
Speaker 6: respond to that request from mutual aid?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Who responded?
Speaker 19: It was me and my partner who was your partner,
Speaker 19: Dan Smith?
Speaker 6: And did you go in an ambulance or some type
Speaker 6: of engine an ambulance? And did you respond to the
Speaker 6: area of forty seven Summer Street, Yes, we did, And
Speaker 6: approximately how long did it take you to get there?
Speaker 19: Between five and eight minutes.
Speaker 6: When you arrived.
Speaker 19: What did you see There were multiple pieces of equipment,
Speaker 19: other ambulances, police cars.
Speaker 6: When you arrived. Were you directed to the backyard yes?
Speaker 6: And did you see a patient there in the backyard?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: We did And where was she located?
Speaker 19: She was on the ground with a Duxbury firefighter. She
Speaker 19: was already sea spined on a long board with a collar.
Speaker 19: She was unresponsive but breathing on the ground.
Speaker 6: And did you learn her name? Was Lindsay Clancy. Yes,
Speaker 6: And when you say she was already on a board
Speaker 6: with the c spine, what type of equipment are we
Speaker 6: talking about and if you could just explain to the jars.
Speaker 19: So it's just a long flat board that we used
Speaker 19: to secure people when there's possible spinal injury, and she
Speaker 19: already had the collar on her neck.
Speaker 2: They had already started.
Speaker 19: Treatment prior to our arrival, so they had her all
Speaker 19: secured to the long backboard with the caller applied.
Speaker 6: And did you notice anything about her wrists at that time?
Speaker 19: Yes, her wrists were bandaged previously assuming some kind of injury.
Speaker 19: There was no active bleeding or anything through the bandage.
Speaker 19: It was just but her wristware bandaged.
Speaker 6: Was it white bandaging? Yes, and so nothing was seeping
Speaker 6: through to your eye. Did you see anything on her
Speaker 6: neck area.
Speaker 19: She had some superficial lacerations that we could see around
Speaker 19: the collar, but we don't typically remove equipment after it's
Speaker 19: already been placed, so I didn't investigate any further than that.
Speaker 19: There was no active bleeding that I could see, so
Speaker 19: we just left it alone.
Speaker 6: So there was even with the collar, there was nothing,
Speaker 6: no blood flowing out of the collar or pooling around
Speaker 6: her or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 6: Was she breathing?
Speaker 2: She was?
Speaker 6: Was she responsive? No? Was she making any noise at all?
Speaker 19: She was moaning and groaning, but no words, no verbal response.
Speaker 6: Did you bring her to your ambulance?
Speaker 19: Yes, we did.
Speaker 6: And when you got to the ambulance, what was your role?
Speaker 19: I was the tech in charge, so we did at
Speaker 19: much of an assessment as we could without removing her
Speaker 19: from the board, to look for any further injuries other
Speaker 19: than the injuries that the Duxbury Fire Department had already found.
Speaker 19: We didn't find any further injuries, and then we continue
Speaker 19: to treatment vital signs and such.
Speaker 6: When you did the assessment, did you look at her head?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: Were there any cuts or bumps or dents that you
Speaker 6: noticed in our head?
Speaker 2: Not that we noticed.
Speaker 6: Now, what about her arms? Other than the bandaging on
Speaker 6: her wrist? Were there any cuts, obvious broken bones or
Speaker 6: injuries to our arms or our hands?
Speaker 19: No obvious broken bones or anything.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 6: And you said you were the tech. What does that mean?
Speaker 19: I was the medic that was in charge. It's one
Speaker 19: or the other. You're either assisting the medic that's in charge,
Speaker 19: or you're the medic in charge. So I was the
Speaker 19: medic in charge and.
Speaker 6: Was anyone else in the back of the ambulance with
Speaker 6: you treating Mss Clancy? Yes, my partner, Dan Smith, who
Speaker 6: was dry in the ambulance if you recall it was.
Speaker 19: Our deputy chief Jim Shay.
Speaker 6: And do you recall which hospital you went to?
Speaker 19: Selcial Hospital?
Speaker 6: While you're well, let me ask you, how long approximately
Speaker 6: did it take you to get from forty seven in
Speaker 6: Summer Street in Duxbury to Celfial Hospital.
Speaker 19: It's typically about from Pembroke. It would be about fifteen minutes,
Speaker 19: so it would be a little bit longer than that.
Speaker 19: I'm not sure the exact time, so probably maybe eighteen minutes.
Speaker 6: And while you're in that transport in the back of
Speaker 6: the ambulance, after you've done this examination of Lindsay Clancy
Speaker 6: to see if there are any other injuries, what do
Speaker 6: you do next?
Speaker 19: So we would start treatment. So we started put into
Speaker 19: IVS as a precaution and any other treatment that was needed.
Speaker 19: So we noticed that her pupils were constricted and she
Speaker 19: was unresponsive, so we treated for a potential opioid overdose.
Speaker 19: We gave two milligrams a narcan, and she seemed to
Speaker 19: become a little bit more agitated, reaching trying to grab
Speaker 19: and reaching out with their arms, but no verbal communication.
Speaker 19: She never like fully woke up.
Speaker 6: And have you given narkan to individuals in the past
Speaker 6: in your role as a paramedic?
Speaker 19: Yes, I have.
Speaker 6: What is a typical reaction when you give a patient narcan?
Speaker 19: It depends on the drug that they took or the
Speaker 19: amount of drugs that they took. But depending on what
Speaker 19: they take, they usually their respirations will go up, their
Speaker 19: pupils will get a little bigger. Sometimes they fully wake up.
Speaker 2: We know who they are.
Speaker 19: The patient.
Speaker 6: And you were referring to patients that you've dealt with
Speaker 6: in the past in your role as a paramedic.
Speaker 2: Is that's correct?
Speaker 6: Yes, And so they would often wake up when given narcan?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And what type of drugs based on your training experience,
Speaker 6: does narcan work on?
Speaker 19: We're trying to use it for opioid overdoses, so heroin, fentanyl,
Speaker 19: other drugs like that.
Speaker 6: Okay, And does narkan typically work on benzo diazepine.
Speaker 19: We are not trained to use it for any other
Speaker 19: anything other than opioids.
Speaker 6: And when you gave Lindsay Clancy the narcan, she did
Speaker 6: not wake up. Correct? No, did you provide any other
Speaker 6: care to Lindsay Clancy on the way to the hospital.
Speaker 19: Just continue to monitor vitals and make sure there was
Speaker 19: no decline.
Speaker 6: And once you arrived at the hospital, did you transfer
Speaker 6: her care to the hospital staff?
Speaker 2: Yes, we did.
Speaker 6: No other questions.
Speaker 2: So you're not trained in that can on benzo diazepin.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 19: Yeah, we don't give it for benzo diazepine.
Speaker 16: And in any event, when you gave narkan to the
Speaker 16: body that was laying on the ground, she had already.
Speaker 2: Been wrapped up on her wrist.
Speaker 16: Right, that's already been wrapped up, or had the thing
Speaker 16: on the neck to prevent the head from moving right,
Speaker 16: that's correct.
Speaker 2: And also I had bandages perhaps on her neck area.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 19: There were no bandages that I could see because it's
Speaker 19: the collar blocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most of it. I could see.
Speaker 19: There are some holes in the collar that we could
Speaker 19: see some superficial lacerations through, but there was no active bleeding.
Speaker 19: Her wrists were already bandaged, so we don't take the
Speaker 19: bandages off after they're on.
Speaker 16: There was no bloods good, I asked the questions you
Speaker 16: can answer, Okay, I can administered to Lindsey Clancy.
Speaker 19: On the ground, Yes, in the ambulance, but yes.
Speaker 2: And there was no reaction. It didn't have any effect
Speaker 2: on her.
Speaker 19: Right, she appeared to become a little bit more. She
Speaker 19: started like reaching and grabbing a little bit more than
Speaker 19: she was before.
Speaker 16: That's consistent as well with the person who's had a
Speaker 16: head injury, right, could be. Yeah, So in any event
Speaker 16: that I can that you trained would be dealing with opioids, right, Yes,
Speaker 16: that's correct. Now, did you know, sir at all, that
Speaker 16: she suffered a brisk fracture of a cervical spine?
Speaker 2: You know that, sir?
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 16: T five through T six, T four six, seven eight
Speaker 16: all exploded fractured.
Speaker 2: Did you know that? No?
Speaker 16: Did you know that there was a hemorrhaging into her body,
Speaker 16: that she fractured every rib in her body? No, it
Speaker 16: was pretty dark out there, wasn't it it was? Did
Speaker 16: you obviously administer aid to her? Did you also have
Speaker 16: like a flashlight on your head? Were you holding a
Speaker 16: flashlight or what?
Speaker 19: She was already packaged, She was already on the longboard
Speaker 19: and everything. So we picked her up, put her on
Speaker 19: the stretcher and moved out of the backyard into the impautance.
Speaker 16: So how long did you handle if you will, her
Speaker 16: while she was laying there on scene?
Speaker 19: We were only unseen for I think it was seven minutes.
Speaker 19: I think total unseene from the time.
Speaker 2: That we got it.
Speaker 16: Yes, and it was dark in the backyard, right, Yes,
Speaker 16: there was no exterior lighting. No, no, nothing on the
Speaker 16: house that was lit up, like spotlights or anything. Right,
Speaker 16: that's correct, no flashlights, right, No. And you screwedanized a
Speaker 16: hole in the thing that goes around.
Speaker 2: The neck when someone has a head injury, especially cervical
Speaker 2: injury thoracic injuries.
Speaker 16: You scrutinized a hole and noted that it was superficial.
Speaker 19: That's all we could see through the side of the collar, me.
Speaker 2: And my partnerizing the hole as well the whole. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 19: Yeah, there's holes in the collar that you can see
Speaker 19: through you.
Speaker 4: Were looking through, right, is your partner. And you've talked about.
Speaker 16: Your testimony with the district attorneys in the past, Avenue. Yes,
Speaker 16: one of the things that they asked you is whether
Speaker 16: or not it appeared as though the injuries to her
Speaker 16: neck or wrist.
Speaker 2: Were superficial. Isn't that right? Yes?
Speaker 16: And and and other than looking through the little hole
Speaker 16: in the thing around her neck in the dock, you
Speaker 16: didn't see her neck after that was removed, did you, no?
Speaker 2: Toll Yeah, caramo three direct sir.
Speaker 6: After the seven minutes that you were in the dark backyard,
Speaker 6: you were then in an ambulance for eighteen minutes with
Speaker 6: the patient. Correct, that's correct. And there's lighting in the ambulance. Correct.
Speaker 6: And during those eighteen minutes in the well lit ambulance,
Speaker 6: did you ever see blood seeping through the bandages on
Speaker 6: her wrists? During those eighteen minutes in the well lit ambulance,
Speaker 6: did you ever see blood pulling around her neck or
Speaker 6: flowing from the neck? No?
Speaker 2: Thank you any further, thank you, shaking me sitting down.
Speaker 10: Thank you for.
Speaker 9: Commel calls.
Speaker 6: Daniel Daherty, same objection and yessuleas.
Speaker 17: All right, Good morning, sir, Good morning, all right, thank.
Speaker 6: You, good morning. Can you please stay and spell your name.
Speaker 13: For the record, Daniel Daherty dou G H E R
Speaker 13: T Y and your date of birth eight twenty seven,
Speaker 13: nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 2: Where do you work Duxbury Fire Department.
Speaker 6: How long have you been with the Duxbury Fire Department.
Speaker 2: Five and a half years full time.
Speaker 6: Are you also a paramedic?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And how long have you been a paramedic?
Speaker 2: Four years?
Speaker 6: And have you completed all the training and education and
Speaker 6: certification required to be a paramedic?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: I want a direct your attention to January twenty fourth,
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. Were you working that day?
Speaker 2: I was?
Speaker 6: And were you working a twenty four hour shift?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Did you what was your role that day on shift?
Speaker 2: Firefighter paramedic And.
Speaker 6: Sometime after six pm did you respond to forty seven
Speaker 6: Summer Street in Duxbury.
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And when you responded, who was with you?
Speaker 2: Firefighter Heath was driving and Firefighter.
Speaker 6: Nud was in the back and so you're in ambulance
Speaker 6: one at the time said yes, yes. And when you
Speaker 6: arrive at forty seven Summer Street, what do you see?
Speaker 13: There was two police cruisers either blocking the driveway or
Speaker 13: near it. So we pulled the head of it, stopped
Speaker 13: the truck and got out.
Speaker 6: And did you head to get equipment and head to
Speaker 6: the backyard?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And what did you see in the backyard?
Speaker 13: We had Officer Hall kind of directing us towards the
Speaker 13: side of to the side gate, and from there we
Speaker 13: went around to the.
Speaker 2: Back of the house.
Speaker 6: And did you see a female on the ground.
Speaker 10: We did?
Speaker 6: And did you learn that was Lindsay Clancy?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Do you recall what she was wearing?
Speaker 2: I believe it was jeans and a tank top.
Speaker 6: Did she also have socks on?
Speaker 10: I believe so.
Speaker 6: And did you examine her or assess her once you
Speaker 6: reached her, Yes? And what if any injuries? Did you
Speaker 6: observe she.
Speaker 13: Had lacerations to both wrists as well as her neck
Speaker 13: and were.
Speaker 6: Those lacerations actively bleeding?
Speaker 2: Nope?
Speaker 6: Can you describe the lacerations that you saw on her neck?
Speaker 13: Ah, there was dry blood seemed to be somewhat superficial
Speaker 13: since there was no active bleed.
Speaker 6: And what about the cuts on her wrists?
Speaker 2: Same?
Speaker 6: And would you say same? Are you saying that there
Speaker 6: was no active bleeding there?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 6: And what if anything did you do to treat those wounds?
Speaker 13: We bandaged them up. I believe we placed ABD pad
Speaker 13: just a steril pad on her.
Speaker 2: Neck as well.
Speaker 6: You said an APD or a steril pad. Is that
Speaker 6: just a type of like gauze or something that you
Speaker 6: put on the wound?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 6: And so you you did that, and then you bandaged
Speaker 6: the risks or vice versa.
Speaker 13: I was the risk first, I believe, but we did
Speaker 13: secure the airway first before bandaging herst Okay.
Speaker 6: So when you first to arrive, is she breathing on
Speaker 6: her own?
Speaker 1: She was?
Speaker 2: Was she responsive somewhat?
Speaker 6: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Not totally responsive? Pretty much? The painful stimuli and.
Speaker 6: What is painful stimuli?
Speaker 2: As we were moving her, she somewhat regained consciousness on us.
Speaker 6: And painful stimuli is that is that when someone reacts
Speaker 6: physically or verbally to pain.
Speaker 21: Yes, And so.
Speaker 6: You said that you assess her when you first get there.
Speaker 6: You said you did the airway first.
Speaker 4: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And how did you go about doing that?
Speaker 13: We placed an OPA device to scare her tongue down,
Speaker 13: just to protect her airway.
Speaker 6: What's an OPA device.
Speaker 13: It's a plastic device that depresses the tongue just to
Speaker 13: keep the airway open.
Speaker 6: So it's not the tube that goes down, it's just
Speaker 6: something that holds a tongue down, that's correct. And after
Speaker 6: you did that, what was the next step?
Speaker 2: Replaced the non breather air mask on her and set the.
Speaker 6: Oxygen So that is that just a mass that goes
Speaker 6: on the face providing oxygen, and then what did you
Speaker 6: do next from there?
Speaker 2: That's when we heard the scream And so what.
Speaker 6: Did you bandage the neck and the wrist before the
Speaker 6: breathing securing the breathing or after that was after? Okay?
Speaker 6: So just to be clear, first is securing the tongue down,
Speaker 6: putting the oxygen mask on, and then you did the bandaging?
Speaker 2: That was that came later?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 2: Later?
Speaker 6: Okay? Okay, So when you hear the screaming, what, if anything.
Speaker 2: Do you do?
Speaker 13: I looked at Captain Hussey and Captain or Firefighter Heath
Speaker 13: and we kind of all looked at each other trying
Speaker 13: to figure out what was going on.
Speaker 6: And did did any of you leave the area after
Speaker 6: hearing the screaming?
Speaker 13: Captain Hussey did, Firefighter Heath went to go get a
Speaker 13: backboard for the patient.
Speaker 6: And did you stay with Lindsay Clancy? Okay? And then
Speaker 6: is it at that point that you do the bandaging
Speaker 6: or after you get the backboard?
Speaker 2: Kevin was gone for a while, so that's when I
Speaker 2: started bandishing up or wrists.
Speaker 6: And did he eventually return with the backboard? He did not,
Speaker 6: So you bandage the risk? What happens.
Speaker 13: Next, I believe it, his Officer Hall came to the backyard.
Speaker 13: He asked if I needed anything. I told him the
Speaker 13: board kind of gave him a direction of where in
Speaker 13: the truck it was, and then he also left to
Speaker 13: go grab that for me.
Speaker 6: And when you say the board, are you referring to
Speaker 6: the backboard?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did he return with the backboard?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And was Ms Clancy loaded onto the backboard?
Speaker 2: She was?
Speaker 6: And who assisted you with that?
Speaker 2: It was Officer Hall, I believe, and our retired deputy.
Speaker 6: And is there a process that you follow when placing
Speaker 6: someone onto a board to ensure that you don't cause
Speaker 6: further damage?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: And what is that process?
Speaker 13: I just see spine precautions, so you're secure them there
Speaker 13: can kind of make sure that it's immobilized as you.
Speaker 2: Kind of moved the patient.
Speaker 6: So what did you do to secure her neck?
Speaker 13: We had someone at her neck, I don't remember who.
Speaker 13: It was, just kind of whole study that her neck
Speaker 13: didn't move in the process.
Speaker 6: And then did you follow that protocol, the ce spine
Speaker 6: protocol to safely put her onto the backboard? And at
Speaker 6: some point was a collar placed around her neck?
Speaker 2: I believe so?
Speaker 6: Yes, and then what happened next?
Speaker 13: I believe I got on the radio and asked our
Speaker 13: captain who was transporting first, because we knew that there
Speaker 13: was multiple, multiple patients at that point.
Speaker 2: And what were you told Pembroke was on its way in.
Speaker 2: They may have just arrived and she was going with Pembroke.
Speaker 6: And were you part of the team that transported her
Speaker 6: from the backyard to the Pembroke ambulance?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did you help load her into the Pembroke ambulance?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did you go with them during that transport?
Speaker 17: It did not After.
Speaker 6: After Mss Clancy was loaded into the ambulance, did it
Speaker 6: leave yes? What did you do next?
Speaker 2: I went to our ambulance that was in the driveway
Speaker 2: at that point.
Speaker 6: And was Dawson Clancy in that ambulance?
Speaker 8: Was?
Speaker 6: And did you ride in the ambulance to the hospital
Speaker 6: with Dawson Clancy?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 6: What was your role in that ambulance?
Speaker 2: I was operating the bag valve mask for him.
Speaker 6: So you're you're trying to provide oxygen to him through
Speaker 6: the bag valve mask. And was his care then transferred
Speaker 6: to Beth Israel Deaconess Plymouth medical staff, Yes, and nothing further.
Speaker 16: Told me again, you were an EMT, a paramedic or
Speaker 16: a paramedic paramedic And howd on do you study for
Speaker 16: that two years plus?
Speaker 2: Would that be full time studying or are you working
Speaker 2: at the same litworking? Okay? Do you know on that
Speaker 2: evening what the temperature was outside? It was cold, wicked cool?
Speaker 2: Was in her thirties? Was lower than that, wasn't it?
Speaker 2: I couldn't It was really cold? Yeah? And how long
Speaker 2: was she laying in the snow and on the ground.
Speaker 2: We got the call at six ish or whatever time
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 16: We we respond came because her husband came home from
Speaker 16: picking up food and found her on the ground, right, correct,
Speaker 16: So you don't know how long she was laying in
Speaker 16: the snow on the ground, right, No, in the cold?
Speaker 2: Correct? And what's hemostasis? Do you know what's that? What'schemostasis?
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Just the coagulation?
Speaker 16: And you know what the effect of hypothermia? Let me
Speaker 16: ask you what's hypothermia?
Speaker 2: That's just the body under the under temperature of the body,
Speaker 2: under temperature of the body.
Speaker 13: Your body is not at temperature that should be right
Speaker 13: because of the environment, right cold, right, Sometimes it can
Speaker 13: be medically induced, right.
Speaker 2: Hypothermia affects the blood flow, doesn't it. Yes?
Speaker 16: In fact, you actually have a thing called therapeutic hypothermia, right,
Speaker 16: like if they have to restrict the blood flow to
Speaker 16: either a heart or a brain or something that a
Speaker 16: person can be induced medically to be cold and it
Speaker 16: would restrict blood flow.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 16: So all these questions about whether or not there's blood
Speaker 16: seeping through the wrist bandages and whether or not there's
Speaker 16: bloodles in the next race, you don't know what effect
Speaker 16: the hypothermia or with any head on that.
Speaker 2: Be direct, suir.
Speaker 6: It's typically heat in a hospital, correct, usually yes? And
Speaker 6: were you aware that well Trent mss Clancy went to
Speaker 6: Celsial Hospital correct?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And are you aware that the wound on her wrist
Speaker 6: did not have to be futured until the following day.
Speaker 2: I didn't get any of that information after.
Speaker 6: Were you aware that the wound on her neck never
Speaker 6: had to be futured?
Speaker 2: Same answer? Thank you you think for the Thank you sir,
Speaker 2: Thank you, stip.
Speaker 10: Down, thank you.
Speaker 9: Home well calls Vincent K Hill.
Speaker 2: You need to testify.
Speaker 6: Good morning, sir, sure, good afternoon, sir. Can you please
Speaker 6: stay and spell your name for the record.
Speaker 2: Sure, my name is Vincent Khill.
Speaker 22: To be v I N C E N T.
Speaker 2: Last name k Hill, that'll be c ah.
Speaker 6: Ilhill and your day of birth please.
Speaker 2: Eleven eleven, nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 15: Where do you work.
Speaker 2: I'll work at the Duxbury Police Department.
Speaker 6: How long have you been with the Duxbury Police Department.
Speaker 2: About five and a half years.
Speaker 6: I want to direct your attention to January twenty fourth,
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. Were you working that.
Speaker 2: Day, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 6: Were you on patrol?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And directing your attention further to approximately six to eleven
Speaker 6: pm where you dispatched to forty seven Summer Street in Duxbury, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 6: And when you arrived there? How long did it take
Speaker 6: you to get there? Approximately a couple minutes. And when
Speaker 6: you arrived there, what did you see?
Speaker 22: When I arrived there, I saw a cruiser and driveway
Speaker 22: as well as an ambulance and the fire captain.
Speaker 6: And did you head to the backyard yes? And did
Speaker 6: you see a woman on the ground there being cared for?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did you later learn that was Lindsay Clancy?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: At some point do you hear or did you hear
Speaker 6: loud screaming.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: And as a result of that, did you go inside
Speaker 6: the home?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did you go to the basement area yes? And
Speaker 6: when you went down the basement stairs, did you go
Speaker 6: to the right or the left?
Speaker 2: Inshual. We went to the right, following the father.
Speaker 6: So as you're going down the stairs, you say, the
Speaker 6: fathers that Patrick Clancy.
Speaker 10: Yes.
Speaker 6: Do you see him as you're going down the basement stairs?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And where is he coming from? And where is he
Speaker 6: going to?
Speaker 2: It's coming from my left, heading to my right.
Speaker 6: And what is his demeanor?
Speaker 2: He was screaming?
Speaker 6: And as you came down the stairs, did he point
Speaker 6: in a direction?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Where did he point to to the left side? And
Speaker 6: is that where you headed?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And when you went to the left, did you see
Speaker 6: two children on the floor in that area of the
Speaker 6: basement yes?
Speaker 2: And what did you do?
Speaker 22: I checked the pulse of the five year old girl
Speaker 22: and passed that information along. And then when fire came
Speaker 22: on scene, I then was backing away because fire was
Speaker 22: going to start taking over taking care of the five
Speaker 22: year old girl.
Speaker 2: I then backed into the infant who was on the ground.
Speaker 6: So you said that you checked the five year old?
Speaker 6: Was that core Clancy. You checked her for a pulse?
Speaker 6: Did she have a pulse? And you said fire came
Speaker 6: down and started taking over. Was that firefighters from Duxsberry
Speaker 6: Fire Department?
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 6: And you said you started backing up. Is that what
Speaker 6: you bumped into calend Clancy?
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 6: And at that point in time, what did you do next?
Speaker 2: I checked Callen's pulse and did he have a pulse?
Speaker 6: Did fires take over care of Callen?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: At that point, did you do something to make it
Speaker 6: easier for the people to fit in the room and
Speaker 6: treat the children?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 22: I moved a large futon or ottoman, he's furniture.
Speaker 6: And I'm showing you Exhibit ninety six, directing your attention
Speaker 6: to the couch bed and the automan on top of it.
Speaker 6: Were you the one that placed that automan on top
Speaker 6: of the couch bed? After that, were you asked to
Speaker 6: help get some equipment for the children?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did you do that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: And did you bring the equipment to the basement yes?
Speaker 6: And after that, did you assist with getting Cora to
Speaker 6: the ambulance?
Speaker 22: I assisted with rescue breasts with Cora as well as CPR.
Speaker 2: I ad it with Officer Josephine, And.
Speaker 6: How are you doing the rescue breast and the CPR.
Speaker 22: I was using a bag valve mask myself an Officer
Speaker 22: Josephine were timing at every.
Speaker 2: Couple seconds. It was fifteen seconds. I was doing rescue
Speaker 2: breasts on Korra.
Speaker 6: And at some point she's taken out of the basement
Speaker 6: into an ambulance. Correct, did you assist with that?
Speaker 19: I don't recall.
Speaker 6: And at any point did she regain a pulse or
Speaker 6: or or ability to breathe while you were helping to
Speaker 6: assist her at some point in time where you've given
Speaker 6: the task of monitoring who came into the scene and
Speaker 6: who left the scene throughout the night, yes, and showing
Speaker 6: you what's titled entitled crime Scene Entry and Exit Log.
Speaker 6: Is this the form that you were in charge.
Speaker 9: Of just documenting every time someone came to the scene
Speaker 9: or left the scene. I have this marked the next specific.
Speaker 2: Place that may be admitted.
Speaker 6: Have nothing further, Thank you, council.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, sir, Thank you.
Speaker 8: Donald approached, All right, it was the jury talking of council.
Speaker 1: You still there's a couple of issues that we have
Speaker 1: to kind of hammer out and get done and rather
Speaker 1: than if you wait around.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure how long that's gonna go.
Speaker 8: I'm going to excuse you for the day, all right.
Speaker 1: I told you sometimes the schedules don't always match up
Speaker 1: what I tell you they're going to do, even a
Speaker 1: couple hours before. So I'm gonna excuse you until tomorrow morning,
Speaker 1: all right. And so tomorrow morning, the plan is that
Speaker 1: we're going to go on this view, and I'll explain
Speaker 1: it a little bit more in detail tomorrow, but just
Speaker 1: so you can kind of picture your head, I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask you to be here, if you ready to
Speaker 1: come out here at nine o'clock. I'm going to address you,
Speaker 1: probably ask those same questions. Then I'll give you a
Speaker 1: little bit of information about the view. I'll give you
Speaker 1: an instruction. The view is we're going to go to
Speaker 1: a couple of areas. You're gonna be able to get
Speaker 1: out and look at these areas that the lawyers will
Speaker 1: be there. They'll be able to point out what they
Speaker 1: feel is significant. Uh, And at that point we'll then
Speaker 1: come back. We'll consider it's continue with some of the testimony.
Speaker 1: We may end up a little bit early tomorrow as well.
Speaker 2: In regards schedules, and.
Speaker 1: At that point, I'm gonna talk to council kind.
Speaker 8: Of see where we are in regards to the overall schedule.
Speaker 1: But it's my impression that we are ahead of schedule
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 2: So I just kind of wanted to.
Speaker 1: Let you know that so we can excuse you till
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning rather than have you sit here and uh
Speaker 1: just kind of wait.
Speaker 2: In regards to that.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna excuse you till tomorrow. I'd ask you
Speaker 1: to be here at nine uh check the weather, uh see. Uh,
Speaker 1: but you'll be on the view in the morning and
Speaker 1: then there'll be some witnesses in the afternoon.
Speaker 8: All right, So remember I'm gonna ask you those questions.
Speaker 1: Don't read anything, don't talk about it, don't do any research,
Speaker 1: don't take any field trips.
Speaker 2: Uh, and I'll see it tomorrow morning. Okay, thank you?
Speaker 4: Cour all right, following h.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 8: In recess until tomorrow. The court, uh the media.
Speaker 1: The court had issued previously a specific order regarding the view.
Speaker 1: There's a supplemental order issued this morning, so everybody should
Speaker 1: just be aware of that. And uh, I want to
Speaker 1: thank everybody for uh the consideration and that will be
Speaker 1: in recess until tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2: Okay, folks, can we clear the courtroom please,