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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to Benson Boone with a spirit Halloween

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gift card. We don't review that anymore. So this is

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the one bit of joy I have in regards to

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collective conversation around it. Just dual, you know, Bomb Strikes

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of Pitchfork and Anthony Fantano on the same day doing

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those uploads.

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Speaker 2: But I caught a straw on that fantano one. I can't.

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I'm not happy with that. I caught a straight there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the old Disney adult quip. Anyway, We're not bensa

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Boon obviously we are. That's not metal and this is

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Hyperblasts are weak rock and heavy metal news show where

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we let you know the key things that have been

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going on, the new releases that are outworked, a few

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questions as well, and what we've just generally been up

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to as well. This time around. My name is parn

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Hayish with me my fellow Jensen Boons, my my fellow Gentrificators.

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We've got Sam Dignan and Mark Sanderson. Hello. How are

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we doing? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 1: Me and Sam. Before we get into the rest of

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the news, we both went to different dates of the

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Scowl UK tour. Speaking of an album that you know,

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we is generally exciting and the kind of uh, I

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guess in the reception that scale album has been pretty positive,

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pretty maybe not world shifting, but it seems like a

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pretty well like going to be one of the defining

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kind of albums of the year probably and so then

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coming very swiftly afterwards actually not having to wait too

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long with the UK tour, particularly like you know, they

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played Rebellion here in Manchester and I looked at it

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and I was like, I don't know how long they're

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going to be in venues of such size, with you know,

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a very moderately priced ticket. I might as well pop

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along while I can. So I did. You did Sam

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as well. We had like some different you know bills

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and stuff on our respective dates. But it was you know,

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quite exciting to go and see Scowl on you know

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again very hot on the heels of us talking about

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that new album and everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like obviously, So this is my fourth

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time I've seen Scout like a headline show, third time

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in the same sort of venue basically like they've done

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I assuming like the downstairs like room at the Dime,

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in the smaller room and then the main room. Last

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year and this year. Very different experience. This time, very

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different vibe, very different crowd, just a real different scale set,

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which was really exciting and cool.

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Speaker 1: Is that the thing of there were pulling in people

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who aren't necessarily like, you know, the kind of grassroots

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level hardcore fans at this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, loads of people probably attending what like is their

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first hardcore gig. There were a lot of people who

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look was like, you wouldn't go and watch Speed or

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Tsunami or.

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Speaker 2: Page for any of those sort of hard bands.

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Speaker 3: A lot of times this scou gig would not go

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near that stuff, and they were.

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Speaker 2: Like here for Scout.

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Speaker 3: Scout of kind of like crossed over now, but they've

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also kind of like got those people when He's looking

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at like wanting to act like they're at a hardcore

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gig and you know, get on stage and stage dive

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and trying to step, which is quite endearing in a way.

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seen that Scoue show and the least amount of people

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who again I would say are typically hardcore fans. So

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it was even just like about the sort of the

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changes to the set was a very different experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it just terms like very very briefly running

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who we did not have who seemed to be of

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the variou support act, the one who have kind of

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like them on record. They were kind of a UK

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hardcore band who are going down the Code Orange avenue

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of like fuck genre, We're a hardcore band, but we're

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doing all other kind of stuff on record. It's a

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they're doing the Death Township because that's the kind of

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the main thing. But when I saw it live and

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that this could be a WWE like pay per view,

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pure like beefy wrestle metal and then it goes into

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a kind of like shoegayzy passage and then I know

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that they're they're they're like a five piece, so they've

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of capacity, but they've they're clearly pushing that side more

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but really exciting live, and I was kind of like

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they were just attacking it. They were so Larry, so

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on your face and again what the code in comparisons.

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who are really quite fearless in how they're kind of

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attacking their music. And again you can see the influences,

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of stuff in there. But it was a real fresh,

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stab of things, and I thought they were really cool.

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maybe slightly pop punk whatever leaning side of it, where

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Speaker 2: They were on every Modern Color or like on every

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think they come over with them from

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California and that was sleepy, let me tell you. I

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mean it didn't help that. So my date was literally

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within about forty eight hours of Incineration Festival, which we

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spoke about last week. So my neck was literally still

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in pain from trip to Cone and watching those first

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two bands. I actually I had an almost like out

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of body experience of like watching a band, but because

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there was no like sound waves physically hitting my body, it.

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Speaker 2: Was like causing you pain there.

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Speaker 1: It's like I could see them there, but they were

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actually impacting my physical space just by playing in the

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in the same way, so I almost didn't quite believe

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they were there. You know. It was a very genuinely surreal,

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sort of like am I alive? Am I here? Sort

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of moment. Yeah, very boring. But Scowl were good fun,

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a headline show before, but I could also, you know,

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notice that what it didn't look how you know, your

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stereotypical hardcore show kind of looks anymore. There's a lot

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more just people kind of you know, like just vibing,

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you know, that kind of thing. And obviously the fact

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that they had, you know, very well sold these small venues,

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there's not necessarily a lot of room for like a big,

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bit more like a pop punk show would look. But

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which I thought was very good. I also like when

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they still tear into, fuck around and fire out and

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that stuff that's still there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe like Bloodhown wasn't a way they did get

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that the pepper into the set. Now everything else is vibing,

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singing along, like singing along, bouncing up and down and

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just having a really fun time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought that stuff again was fun. Where

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like uh cat as obviously it's a great front woman,

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great presence as an actual singer. I think the live

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environment is maybe kind of the slight chink in their

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armor has been particularly there was that the there was

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it Steven Colbert.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was there was a lot of the

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like there was comments and stuff around that, and I

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think they themselves had some tech issues where like, you know,

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monitor stuff might not be able to fully hear usself

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whatever was going on there. So I was kind of

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you know, like, you know whatever. But watching this, I

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was like, oh no, you actually like this is the

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most melodically confident live scowl, you know, appearance that I

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had seen thus far. In those you know, like not Heaven,

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fun melodies clearly carried they do now in the live

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environment where you know, when we were reviewing the album,

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we were sort of like, it was a really really

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fucking good album, Like I don't want to unseally it's

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like thirty odd minutes of really fucking great stuff. But

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if you maybe look at the album, go like it's

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a little one of one thing or whatever. In a

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the very early stuff. Here's like the slightly i don't know,

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weirdest like it dance routine whatever, and then here's these

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like fark pop punky type songs from the new album,

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there's like a song that can kind of break up

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every you know sort of thing that you would want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it did feel like really dynamic in that regard

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where you know that they're the opening with one of

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the songs off a psychic dancing one of the harder ones,

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and then going straight into I think it was like

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Babe or Fantasy the album where it was again popier

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bouncier again.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I think every time I've seen Scale, she's kind of

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grown into the singing more and more. And I think,

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like when did you know on the deb album that

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like is not that long ago, it's you know.

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banshee like that sort of thing. So it's only been

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a couple of years where she's now pushing that to

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end of the vocals and really focus on the mother stuff.

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I think it's the strongth of the melodies helps where

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they're a lot more confident in the choruses where you

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can't those meddings and carry through, but it just means

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you're getting a great kind of like mix of songs.

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Speaker 2: And when and when like shot Down like comes.

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that shot of adrenaline where like shot Down is still

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like the sort of the perfect idea of a scale

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song for me, where it is just like Rabbit and

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so on your face with a great chorus, psychic dancerrou team.

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like the football chant to the opening guitar line. Now

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it's such a fun moment. The new stuff like not Hell,

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not Heaven, when that when that like build comes in

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or like the end of the Tight I'm afraid like

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those kind of like big center moments are like really

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kind of like stirring in the life environment. I don't

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they just like they've really sort of grown as a band.

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They've really come into their own. And I think the

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new album, like again, I've not stopped listening to it.

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is I just keep giving me more of this at

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the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really good, fun and They're back again

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very shortly for slam Dunk, aren't they. And I'm sure

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that there'll be a consistent presence within, you know, over

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the next year and the next couple of years, whatever

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it may be. But yeah, nice being there sort of

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fairly ground zero for like, Okay, they'll just release this album.

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headline tour from them. Let's go into the news and

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we are going to be speaking about a tour and

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how it seems to have come to an unceremonious end.

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have been going on their Poison Ascendency tour celebrating the

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twentieth anniversary of both of their albums that came out

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in two thousand and five, you know you love them.

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They did that full press conference thing, which is the

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thing that I keep my mind keeps coming back to

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in this last week, is just remembering the unveiling of

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it all. It's gonna go down with Refused doing their

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fucking you know, their their waiver or whatever, and Motley

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Cruz blowing up their contractors, like press conferences that didn't

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not age especially well. Uh, and they have been going.

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you know you two both saw them here in the UK.

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they've been doing some of North America until just now

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when Paolo actually I believe that actually before that it

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was there was the kind of announcement where they were

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like the Poisonous Sendency Farewell Tour, it's gonna do its

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final dates, and people were like, hang on, what what

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do you mean? Because they had said it would be

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a full world tour going to South America or Australia,

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ASI or whatever, which are the places they have not

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gotten to yet. Paolo from True then did a little

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you know, TikTok live stream thing and he put the

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blame on mister Matt Tuck from billim Valentine and as

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to why the poison to send a tour is not

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going to be running its full proposed duration, he says,

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planned it, after stuff was already in the works, don't

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know why. I think it would have been amazing. I

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think The Poison is a great album. I think the

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two records pair very well together, and I think it

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would have been nice to give everyone around the world

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a chance to see the two together. He also included

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the hashtag justice for South America as just an example

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of the place that didn't get it, which is an

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extra bit of I don't know, just like teasing, isn't it.

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but a bit of a shared.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's been a while that we've had

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some Polo antics, and I enjoyed seeing that little bit appear.

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So people went, oh, what, why doesn't Matt Tuck want

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to do the Ascendency Poison tour? And then it escalated,

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and then it seems to have de escalated again. But

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we're gonna try and cover this whole thing. The spiciest

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thing about all of this was when someone, at least

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to Myers, was when someone commented on I think the

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power thing or a trivium thing, being like, well, you

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don't have to mention Matt up by name, you know,

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you don't have to kind of make it a public thing,

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and the Trivium official account replied, he's the sole decision

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maker of the band and he has no respect for

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us or our crew.

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Speaker 3: What I was so here for that. I was like,

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this is it, Let's get messy, like I don't want

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to be. I was like, I was here for a

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messy breakup. I was so ready like and again, all

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get on. You know what Matt Hafei has said on

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it and how he has been like the bigger man.

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and I'm sure whoever when the social media is probably

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again part of their crew one bit for being pissed

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off and kind of going no, it's all on him.

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We ain't hiding the fact that this is on this guy.

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Because again, tours are expensive to do, and then they

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they and a tour like this, it's probably the most

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money Trivin are going to make from a tour maybe ever.

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Because it's been such a huge runaway success, they probably

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blocked out the rest of their year for it. They've

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like probably like pulled this aside and then all of

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a sudden, rug Paul, and that's fucked it all over.

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And now every member of Trium and their crew is

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having to kind of like reassess the rest of the year.

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm like.

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Speaker 3: No, Trivin should, whoever's won that trim account, whoever, like

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anyone involved, be messy, call it out directly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is what the biggest tour trivium I've ever done.

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And if one man is responsible for fucking it all up, yeah,

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I'd be pissed off. I'd be calling him out. I

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love this, I love how messy it is. I want

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call out videos, I want apology videos, I want Jeffrey

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Starr to get involved. They're just making the biggest ship show.

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Like in a way, it's not really that surprising because

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Bullets have a history of not handling things very well,

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Like how they the original Drama Booths. They kicked him

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out with him not even knowing he was kicked out.

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They just didn't reply to his emails and didn't let

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him back in the band. So they have a history

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of just sort of no being weird and shitty on tour.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think just again because as you're saying,

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this comment was sort of de escalated, but maybe some

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caveats that will point out. But when it comes to

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the idea that Trivium would like essentially throw Matt Tuck

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under the bus like this in terms of saying, no,

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it's his fault he did this. And in the quote

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from again that social thing, he has no respect for

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us or our crew. Trivium are so fucking nice, right,

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Trivium are so.

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Speaker 2: Well liked apart from Paolo, Like again.

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Speaker 1: Even then, we all know he's nice. Really, Like, it's

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just yeah, they're so agreeable. They're the most agreeable, and

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I feel like no one good in this world has

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a bad thing to say about Trivium as people, right, Like,

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you know, maybe you don't like their new music, but

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everyone respects Trivian. Yeah, and because they are so nice

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to everybody, right, they're constantly championing, you know, their peers,

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like you know, bands older than them that they look

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up to, bands who they are coming through. They want

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to champion bands on their level, like it has been

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with Bullet right be like, you know, we love the poison.

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We're so excited to go outside alongside the poison. Right.

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Speaker 3: They they want to put that They are bands who

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want to put positivity out there sometimes like to think

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like mahav and a lot of the they want to

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champion bands like I'm like champion every band, mat some

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of these bands are a bit rubbish, you have to

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champion them, like. But they're nice that like, but they

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are just that, that's it, That is just they They

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want to radiate good vibes and positivity.

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Speaker 5: So it makes it all the better when they fucking

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lash out at someone when they decide to come for somebody,

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because you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Think about the there's the famous Iron Maiden Ozfest story

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when Sharon Osbourne got people to egg Iron Maiden at

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Ozfest and Matt has come out in recent years and

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he said that, you know, Trivia were on that tour.

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We were asked to engage in the egging of Iron Maiden.

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We refused, and then they played their Ozfest set or

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coming out wearing Iron Maiden shirts and then the rest,

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like the oz Fest crew whatever kind of gave him

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the cold shoulder for the rest of the things. It's like,

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Trivium are fucking cool, right, They're so nice, but they

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can put their money where their mouth is when when

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they need to, and they have these instances are like

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showing that they can, you know, they can stand up

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for themselves and all of this stuff that it again,

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it makes it slightly deuicier and almost like, Mark, what

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have they done to really make the nicest band in

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the world be, you know, openly flippant about them? And

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I think for you know, us as an audience or whatever,

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this as a as a scenario and a judgment of

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like who's right, who's wrong, whatever, it's not really about that.

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It's not really even a beef based on the situation

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how And it's almost like this is just a cresting

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of some in built perspectives that we maybe have and

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certain biases that we maybe have. And I say this

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with the again the asterisk that I have a history

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of being a bullet of by Valentine fan I like

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a bunch of their records. I know that you two

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hear Sama, Mark, Like that's also true, maybe even more

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true than my cell phone. I don't even necessarily have

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like an in built dislike towards Matt Tuck because I've

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never met the guy. Right, Like, if we met and

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he was nice and he was cool, then grand, you know,

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I wouldn't be rude toward him. I wouldn't be dismiss

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himwards him anything like that. But no one thinks Matt

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Tuck is cool, right, Like it's just one of those

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things that the past fifteen years at least have kind

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of put in that when you think about who are

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the people in the rock world who have this aura

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about them of being you know, cool and carrying themselves

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in such a way that would endear that in the

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way that maybe Trivium have. People don't think about Matt

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Tucky in that way, right, And this news come out

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and everybody going like, oh, you know, some Matt Tuck's

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being a deva again with no hint of surprise is

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kind of the story here.

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Speaker 3: It genuinely felt like it's kind of said, this felt

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like the inevitable outcome of this tour was eventually Matt

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Tuck was gonna die out over something.

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Speaker 2: And again we.

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Speaker 3: Don't know the exact again they said, because they want

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to go and do a new album, Like we don't know,

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there's sort of the exactly else.

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Speaker 2: But it just was like, yeah, it's a shame.

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Speaker 3: But I was like, I'm not surprised because again I've

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not met the guy. I know people have and I've

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heard he is a bit of a diva, and so

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like when it all just came out, and again I've

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not even seen the comment alleging it was his fart

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or anything at that point. Yet I just saw bullet

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from a Valentine troon falling out points sanity tour done.

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I was like, well, Matt Tuck's had a moment and

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that's that because it's just because of what his reputation

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he's built up over the last sort of decade plus

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as now lent to and then when I lived with this,

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I was like, yep, no, this is all making perfect sense.

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Speaker 4: From one was he's the world's least fragile man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, in terms of what could have gone

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on here. That said, they say they want to go

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and make a record, right, but there's a difference again

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between like, oh, we know we're going to go and

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make a record after the end of the huge cycle

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that we promised everyone we're gonna do and cutting the

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thing short. And it's that I think that again, whether

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it's right or wrong, I'm not gonna speculate, but people

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have gone they're tired of doing this particular tour, right,

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That's what it looks like from the outside. They are tired,

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and then people jump to oh they're again right, maybe

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people's ill and built biases or whatever coming through, but

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you know, they're getting tired of being like kind of

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bodied by trivium night after night. Whatever it is. They're getting,

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you know, tired of doing the nostalgia thing. They're like,

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you know, half a year into this tour of doing

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the nostalgia thing, maybe they've got on board of it, right,

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And if that is a factor, I to some degree

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have some kind of like understanding that, Like, you know,

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maybe you do get five months into doing a tour

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of playing the same album over and over again, and

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you know, probably getting audiences and responses that are larger

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than the stuff that you have been doing recently for

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the kind of newer material, and maybe that does impact

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your your your enjoyment of what you're doing to some degree.

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And you know, I'm sympathetic to the idea of just

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like it's again, it's a long fucking tour, right, they

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promised like a year's worth of tour, and that's a

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long time to be on the road away from home

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or whatever, or you know, getting inspiration for new music

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at the right time, whatever it might be. But as said,

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my mind goes back to that fucking press conference where

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then being like, we are going to go everywhere. It's

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going to be where they specify January to December. We

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are going to be doing this.

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Speaker 2: We are covering one of the biggest tours of the year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to be covering like every major continent.

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We've done the UK and Europe in that, but we will

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be getting to you know, Asia and South America and Australia.

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And the kind of pulling of the plug on that

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it just makes them look a little ungracious and a

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little uncol doesn't it. To me?

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Speaker 2: It was like Insecure is kind of like the vibe

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I was just getting of.

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Speaker 3: Like again we don't know was it the signers of

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the salgia, but it just felt like you'd made these plans,

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you knew this was going to be a thing. You

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knew you were getting into this for the long haul,

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Like don't do these press conferences and kind of like

476
00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:18,359
big hype up things if you if you know, you're

477
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,960
like not going to commit to this. And again like

478
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,839
for me, it does come back to me, this is

479
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,799
a co headline tour. This is like not just their

480
00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:28,039
own band. They're kind of doing like this was being

481
00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:31,440
selled as the two bands, the two albums, the moment

482
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,920
you like pull out from that, like the venues that

483
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,200
are being booked are with you know, these two bands

484
00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:39,279
these times in mind, Trivia aren't going to weren't going

485
00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:41,440
to be doing you know, the Oto Arena by themselves

486
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,160
and even on Ascendency. And again I imagine that goes for

487
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,079
all the venues they've probably lined up around the world.

488
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,119
So when you pull the plot on that, the whole

489
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,519
thing has to come apart, because there's no way Trivium

490
00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:54,599
can just kind of carry on with what's like being

491
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,119
lined up as just the Ascendency tour.

492
00:22:57,559 --> 00:23:00,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like the two bands, one of them

493
00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:03,039
has been more reliant on nostalgia than the other one.

494
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,319
And so it's interesting that the band who you would

495
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,480
say that is true for are the one who kind

496
00:23:09,519 --> 00:23:12,640
of get tired and bail on it in a way

497
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,079
that again, when we spoke about the tour when it

498
00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:17,519
came through the UK, we were talking about how Bullet

499
00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:21,400
almost did it entire like just aesthetically from a shows

500
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,640
down point. They didn't entirely necessarily commit to like the

501
00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:28,799
Poison in the way that Trivium wholeheartedly committed to ascendency,

502
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:32,279
and there is that thing of like Trivium can go

503
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,680
back and do the nostalgia thing because they know they

504
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,039
can then go back to being relevant straight away, like

505
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:42,039
right afterwards. Right whereas Bullet you know, looked very slightly

506
00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:45,720
embarrassed embarrassed about it or whatever, Trivium have relished it

507
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,119
in a different sort of way. And when there was

508
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,640
the following the you know, the news, it was like

509
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,400
the two bands have unfollowed each other on social media

510
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,799
and stuff. It's like that is mark again, like the

511
00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:57,680
peak like bitchy goss thing, which we don't normally do,

512
00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:59,799
but it's what this particular story seems to kind of

513
00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:00,960
like endeavor.

514
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, like oh no, they're professional like business accounts. It's

515
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,279
so funny, like yeah, it's so messy just to go

516
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,880
back to an earlier point like sort of our own

517
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,680
biases and whatever. The sort of perception that Trivium moremnches.

518
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,799
Maybe it was like a bullet bit of more than

519
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:27,160
they could chew, because it feels like Trivium's work ethic,

520
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:31,119
they're a lot more committed to doing a lot more

521
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:33,440
and maybe Bullet weren't used to that.

522
00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's a factor. And I will say just

523
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,960
to bring this to you know, the last place we're

524
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,720
at with it, which is Matt Hafey made a kind

525
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:47,960
of statement video himself basically saying everyone calm down right,

526
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,119
like there is no beef we have. You know, we

527
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,759
are a great lover, kind of great love and respect

528
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,880
for Bullet of Valentine and we even if you know

529
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,519
they want to go and make off their record whatever,

530
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:00,519
we respect that decision. We are going to continue. So

531
00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:02,240
Trivium have said that if you are in you know,

532
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,079
Australia or Japan for example, they are committed to doing

533
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,279
this ascendency tour and bringing it with you and they

534
00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:11,559
will you bring along different bands or whatever. But there

535
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:13,359
is something I noticed in that video and like if

536
00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:16,160
by you know, any chance Matt Hafey was to hear

537
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,480
this and say that's not what I meant. I you know,

538
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,359
I don't, uh, I don't. I was not trying to

539
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,599
put out what you have kind of taken from that there,

540
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,440
then by all means I would walk it back. But

541
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,559
about two or three times in that video where Matt

542
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,400
Hayfey is speaking about the kind of trying to quash

543
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,759
the beef, and he says, you know, don't let the

544
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:36,640
press take this out of control, which I understand, like

545
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,400
I am, I am the problem here. I get it.

546
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:41,839
But about two or three times he mentions the Trivian crew,

547
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,799
and he's he labors a bit. He's like, I will

548
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,640
always look out for and respect the interests of the

549
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,359
Trivian crew, their finances, their families, whatever we like. They

550
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,359
are the people who are first in my mind and

551
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,960
my utmost priority at all times is making sure the

552
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,000
Trivian crew are well looked after. And when it comes

553
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,519
into a year's touring livelihood that was planned out with

554
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,599
as you say, venues and packages and stuff in mind

555
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,039
that came from these two bands working together. I feel

556
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,160
like there are some subliminals going there, right, Like I

557
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,039
feel like there are some maybe not so subtle allusions

558
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:18,480
to like, yep, I'm going to be the gentleman and

559
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:20,480
I'm going to quash the beefit and I'm gonna, you know,

560
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,960
let Bullet do their own thing or whatever. But just

561
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,000
so everybody knows the Trivium crew and the the you know,

562
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,640
the financial security of all the people who are under

563
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,079
my care as the you know, the kind of the

564
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,160
person in the band here They're the people I'm fucking

565
00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:37,759
worried about, and I'm gonna do everything I can I

566
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:41,359
can to look after them when well, at my Valentine

567
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,279
here are placing them in, you know, a more difficult

568
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,279
financial position than they were a few months ago when

569
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:48,359
this whole thing was being planned out.

570
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: I absolutely I picked up on that whole Trivium crew stuff.

571
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: And again I think that is the kind of thing

572
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,079
he is emphasizing, and that's like he is a far

573
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,240
more gracious man than I could be in this situation,

574
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,359
like if I'd had again. He is, you know, the

575
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,039
figurehead of Trivium, so he probably does feel some degree

576
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:10,359
of responsibility for every other person involved in the Trivium

577
00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:12,319
live experience from their like.

578
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: Crew, all of that like that.

579
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: So he probably does feel and give responsibility, and he

580
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,759
probably feels it's his job to make sure that they can,

581
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,519
as you say, carry on with a year's work, where

582
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,119
like they had a years that they knew they had

583
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,440
twenty twenty five was laid out. It was gonna be

584
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,160
this big, like cushy tour where they were gonna go

585
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,200
all over the world and get paid probably more than

586
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,759
they would get from most of the tours because of

587
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:36,240
the the way this tour is going to like break

588
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:38,079
records for the bands, lah blah blah blah.

589
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: And now it's not and he and I.

590
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,559
Speaker 3: Think he's probably gonna put the like he doesn't don't

591
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:46,119
matter about him, He doesn't feel like personally slighted by

592
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,319
Matt Tuck's ego diva moment or like whatever labor. I

593
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,519
don't think he actually does feel personally bothered by it,

594
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:57,240
but he's now just feeling that like people who are

595
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,319
maybe he feels he might be dependent on him for

596
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,400
their for their work, having screwed over, and he's gonna,

597
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,680
you know, he wants to make that point cu that

598
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,680
this is like them being fucked over, not him almost,

599
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,799
And I think that's totally fair.

600
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then Paulo was doing the stirring thing up

601
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:15,799
thing of saying that there was going to be a

602
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,720
surprise Trivium song released the morning that this news came out,

603
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,079
and they were talking whether that's true or not, God

604
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,160
fucking knows. Again, I'm curious, considering the way Matt Hathey

605
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,319
made that very gracious statement, I'm curious again what was

606
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,160
going on with that social media comment where the Trivium

607
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,519
account was like he doesn't care about us. It's like,

608
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,440
was that some I don't know, some some social media

609
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,839
guy who went a bit out of hand and then

610
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,160
got told like, okay, no rein it in Or was

611
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,400
it just like Matt woke up feeling really pissed off

612
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,920
and then went, oh no, I should have been nicer

613
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,279
than that. But it's that's the very funny little I

614
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,920
don't know stray. It looks tidy if it on Trivia's part,

615
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,839
if it wasn't for that little like fuck you. But

616
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,640
there you go. No, don't blame at all. Go and

617
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,160
see Trivian playing ascendancy when they bring it to your

618
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,480
part of the world. Show will be great. And Bullet,

619
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:07,079
I've gotta say, their next album, they are inviting like

620
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,319
it what you know, whatever the conversation would have been

621
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:11,799
about the next Bullet album, The only thing that people

622
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:13,599
are gonna think of now when that next Bullet abum

623
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,359
arrives is like, so this is what you canned off

624
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,559
that half a year of poison touring for this bad

625
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,079
to be good. So they may have lightened their bed

626
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,400
kind of at this point in time, but there you go.

627
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,440
That's the Trivium Bullet of my drama, bull of my drama,

628
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Bullet of Valentine. It's better what they said in their

629
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,359
statements when they wrote Bullet for Valentine, wasn't it but

630
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,680
the bullet for my Valentine trivium drama that they would

631
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,039
have you believe is not drama. But you know it

632
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,400
is there for those with eyes to see. All right,

633
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,680
let's move on to less juicy but still good stuff.

634
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,279
I guess I just want to shout out or acknowledge

635
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,960
the thing that everyone's been talking about, which is Turnstiles. Yeah,

636
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,119
the enormous show that they played a big hometown show

637
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,519
in Baltimore this past week. They gave live debuts to

638
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,400
you know, those new singles that have been coming out

639
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,480
from their upcoming album. But they played an enormous free

640
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,960
show in like a park or something in Baltimore. The

641
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,279
only thing that they encourage was for people who attended

642
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,000
was if they wanted to donate to healthcare for the homeless.

643
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,559
So it was it's it's a properly hardcore affairs. What

644
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,480
I'll say about this, considering Turnstile. They want of those

645
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,960
bound to be going, oh are they hark or anymore?

646
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Are they whatever you watch this and the entire show

647
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,359
is available to you on YouTube. In the most like

648
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,759
nineteen ninety four, someone's got a camcorder, which does just

649
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:39,160
make it cooler. I don't know why. It just it's

650
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,559
somehow it almost like it it removes all the digital

651
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:45,960
bullshit that we think about being in the world today,

652
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,640
and you can pretend like that I don't know that

653
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:52,799
the amazing things are happening now. They almost come through

654
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:57,599
this filter of like history in a way. But there's

655
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,480
no way in the world you complain about this, can you?

656
00:30:59,519 --> 00:30:59,960
It's just great.

657
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: I mean people still have But here's the thing, like again,

658
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:04,200
this was the magic moment for me.

659
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,559
Speaker 2: I was like everone kind of been like, oh, I'm

660
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:07,039
not sure about that. New turns of song have they?

661
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:09,119
You know? Is the magic blah blah blah blah.

662
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: First show they played back and it is this like

663
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,079
biblical hardcore show in a park where again there's just

664
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:16,960
you're watching because most of it is firs from like

665
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:18,839
it's like coming to like a little platform being in

666
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:20,759
the middle of the park and they are just people

667
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,960
everywhere as far as you can see, and the bodies

668
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,880
do not stop flying. They're on a slow part and

669
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,319
people are front flipping off the stage. There are kids

670
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:29,839
who are like getting up on stage and getting their

671
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,039
first sort of stage dives in Like the whole thing

672
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:33,799
is just kind of like this is why I get

673
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,200
like I think Turnstar a generational band.

674
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,759
Speaker 2: I think I have for the last few years.

675
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,599
Speaker 3: And you watch shows this and you're like it's maybe

676
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,680
you know, up there with that first half Heart reunion

677
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,640
show from like twenty eighteen where they were just had

678
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,079
this like again ten thousand people interested to.

679
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: Know what the numbers were in regards to you know,

680
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,440
attendant numbers there. But it's the point that I saw

681
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,160
her on Instagram like a really fucking cool like kind

682
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,480
of cartoony pop party like fan art of just this

683
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:00,440
show and like the outfits they're wearing stuff, and it's

684
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,160
like this is immediately, I don't know, there's something about

685
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,359
this show that just has immediately cemented itself as like

686
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,400
something of the moment.

687
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: The visual of like just them in the park, the

688
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,680
cleanest front flips you've ever seen off the stage, like

689
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,960
the constant like swarm of bodies terms of they have

690
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,720
an image now that you just look at them and

691
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:21,599
then they look like a cool band. Everything about how

692
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,839
they carry themselves again, never enough hearing that live and

693
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,279
again that that big guitar, like ringing through life. Like yeah, again,

694
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,279
they're still a fucking hard It's what I've said about

695
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:33,920
Scale is that, like ms might change, but you can't

696
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:37,160
take that hardcore out of them in their performance, in

697
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:39,720
the energy of what they do, and it's just what

698
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,240
makes them just electroning to watch. And I'm very excited

699
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:45,880
to see something similar in a month's time.

700
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:49,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a livonder a rock. I knew nothing

701
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,720
about this until today and I watched it today and

702
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:57,240
it's so fucking exciting, Like it just yeah, I don't know,

703
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,160
really cheered me up. Basically. I love the old camcorder

704
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:05,119
sort of feel. It made me feel nostalgic for something

705
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,880
that was like three days ago.

706
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: It's magical something that is ongoing and we can all

707
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,640
appreciate it. So yeah, just if you haven't watched that

708
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,480
on YouTube yet, it's all available, you should go and

709
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,720
do it and maybe it will cheer you up as well.

710
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:19,359
This is interesting. Nine inch Nails. We're doing some teasing

711
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,599
this week and it's turned out to be I don't

712
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,400
necessarily know what their role in it is. The way

713
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,720
that they were teasing, it implies that they're somehow behind

714
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,400
the curation of it or something, but I don't actually know.

715
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,160
But the Future Ruins Music Festival that's occurring in Los

716
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Angeles on November the eighth, which is a festival entirely

717
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,599
four performances of film scores, So it's not actually Nine

718
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:46,799
Inch Nails that's performing. It's Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross

719
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,039
doing you know, I don't know, maybe a mixed set

720
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:51,640
of his social network and I mean if they played

721
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,200
that fucking you know yeah, yeah, yeah, from Challengers, it

722
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,519
will be yea tops off everything. But elsewhere on this

723
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,839
you've got John Carpenter play. You've got Kyle Dixon and

724
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,519
Michael Stein. Who are the guys who with the Stranger

725
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:06,599
Things score? I think Danny Elfman's there, of course, because

726
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,880
he's always be around it stuff like this, the one

727
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,039
that jumped out to me. So you've got Goblin, right,

728
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:12,079
who again.

729
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:12,519
Speaker 2: Think that was one of them?

730
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen Goblin many times. But it's nice see

731
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,760
them appearing here as well as on like you know,

732
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,599
the extreme metal bills in the undergl where they've lived

733
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:23,079
for the past however many years. But also Howard Sure

734
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,599
performing the score to David Cronenberg's Crash. Right, Howard Sure,

735
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,800
the guy who did the Lord of the Rings, you know,

736
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,920
scores arguably the greatest, I would say the greatest, like

737
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,639
you know, big blockbuster Hollywood film score.

738
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

739
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,199
Speaker 1: Ever, but he also did all this freaky David Cronenberg stuff,

740
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,119
and I love that he's probably done many concerts doing

741
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:46,159
you know, his the fucking Rohan themes or whatever. But

742
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,760
instead Crash, which is also a hell of a score,

743
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,280
really weird, really slinky, really eerie. Half of it sounds

744
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,119
like the weird, jazzy, clean guitar that you get on

745
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:56,800
the Sugar in Cynic Records and stuff.

746
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: Like.

747
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,639
Speaker 5: I love that they've gone, let's get him to do

748
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:00,920
that alongside Goblin.

749
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: That's when I was like, that's that.

750
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,599
Speaker 3: That's a really good I saw that Howard Seawan and

751
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:05,800
I was like, oh, yeah, of course, I was like

752
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:08,239
score of David Cronabus.

753
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: Fuck, yeah, that's fucking cool.

754
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: But again, I know, think if they're all kind of

755
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,039
going to lean into their kind of like darker scores,

756
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:16,800
do you mean when you look at when you've got

757
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,599
Goblin and like Carpenter, like they're the other's ones resident Ross.

758
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,800
Like again, there's a lot of names that I probably

759
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,559
not a lot of scores I can't immediately put to

760
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,039
a name, but I think, like, just like I.

761
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:30,639
Speaker 2: Say, a film, like a music festival interns of the

762
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:31,199
film scores.

763
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,199
Speaker 3: I think it's a really cool idea and I think

764
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:35,199
it's like if not it times i've kind of been

765
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,599
like vibes, win, correnders and get on the ground. I

766
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,039
think that that just another sort of elements them just

767
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:41,480
being one of the coolest bands around.

768
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, this just looks cool as fuck. Is Mark Mothersbow

769
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:48,599
one of them that's on it? Is that Mark Mothersbow

770
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,320
recently of a Minecraft movie theme, so, you know, capitalizing

771
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,360
on Chicken Jackie.

772
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe we managed to get Chicken Jockey into

773
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,159
the what I thought was a very cool event, but

774
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,599
it still does look cool. Yeah, I mean obviously if

775
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:04,719
that wasn't in Los Angeles, if it was closer to home,

776
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,760
you know, it'd be a good day out. Let's move

777
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,840
on to Lard Dispute. Are only new music this week

778
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,400
that we're going to touch on, but Lard Dispute ever

779
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,760
released not one new song, but what they describe as

780
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,400
kind of the first act of their new record with

781
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,239
three new songs from their album that will be coming

782
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,960
up later this year September the fifth. It's called No

783
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,800
One Was Driving the Car And there are three songs

784
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,039
as said, I shaved my head man with Hands and Ankles,

785
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:37,039
Bound and Auto Fiction Detail Sam New Loud Dispute songs.

786
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:38,159
You're gonna have thoughts on them.

787
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always gonna be excited about Lovesuit. They're a band,

788
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,239
you know, they they take time with their records. They

789
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:45,440
saw fill the time between We're doing all kinds of

790
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:49,199
like weird artsy soundscaping nonsense that I kind of just

791
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:51,159
be like, yep, cool, keep doing that until you give

792
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,719
it to a new album. I was kind of surprised

793
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,199
when a hit play on this. This is the first

794
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,519
sort of major shifting sound that lovespe have made in

795
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:03,480
quite some time. Like it's still like because of those vocals,

796
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,360
You're never not gonna mistake it for anyone else. It's

797
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,320
always gonna be ladispute because you know who else is

798
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,920
gonna do vocal even like again, other similar bands, they're

799
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,719
not gonna quite.

800
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:12,519
Speaker 2: Do the lovespet vok being.

801
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:14,599
Speaker 3: But what it is is you know in the past

802
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:17,440
they've always been quite a sort of like wiry newly

803
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:20,199
sort of banned. Here this is kind of like the

804
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,760
first strong This it's cat this kind of like big, fudding,

805
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,920
kind of fuzzed up bass sound, and there's a kind

806
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,079
of like dirtier, dirtier like full band kind of like

807
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,880
rock sound to it, which is like, well like sort

808
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,599
of like garage rock kind of laudispute, which is really

809
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,320
quite cool. And I'm really into this kind of direction

810
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,920
because I love the last album, I love Rooms, I

811
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,599
love like all the Ladsbeet albums, but I think it's nice.

812
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,559
Speaker 2: To't see them kind of go. We're gonna keep you know,

813
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,920
recognizable us, but we're gonna just tweak the formula a

814
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,239
little bit.

815
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: So it does long term fans are gonna hear something

816
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,440
that maybe they weren't necessarily expecting.

817
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: And I think this sounds really cool so far.

818
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark, You're known to weep and wail like a

819
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,920
little injured lamb from time to time.

820
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:04,599
Speaker 4: New Lardespute loudest Bee are interesting to me because, like

821
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,079
over a decade ago, I would have told you Wildlife

822
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:12,760
was a masterpiece albums ever doing with it now I've

823
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,719
grown up. My eyes can't handle. I do appreciate that

824
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,960
on these new songs he's a lot less yelpie, and

825
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,639
like you say, there is sort of a general thickness

826
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:31,239
and more of a rock instrumentation to it, which is appreciated.

827
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,719
It's still I don't know. It just does nothing for

828
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,400
me anymore.

829
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I wasn't listening to three new Loudest Bat

830
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,760
songs that you but there is the album. Don't worry,

831
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:44,480
especially if the album not listen right now, but there

832
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:46,800
you go. September the fifth, the new Largest album, will

833
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,119
be out, and Sam says it's good. There's also another

834
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,079
album coming out in September from Castle Rat, who have

835
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,119
got their second album. We reviewed their first one last

836
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:57,119
year and they've got their second album coming out on

837
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:01,920
September the nineteenth. It's called the Best Castle Rat Lady

838
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:05,599
riding a Unicorn on the cover, which is pretty pretty

839
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,599
metal if you ask me. But I think they're doing

840
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:10,480
like a European festival run throughout the summer and then

841
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,320
we're getting that afterwards. So if you like the Castle

842
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,159
album last year, you won't have to wait very long

843
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:17,719
for more of that. Jim Root has been quoted in

844
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,280
the news this week talking about new slip Not. It

845
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,840
has actually been three years now since the end so far,

846
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,519
if you can believe where that time has gone. But

847
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:29,760
he has said essentially that Slipknot over the course of

848
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,559
the COVID pandemic, which I guess you could characterize the

849
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,760
end so far as coming out towards sort of the

850
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,480
latter stages of the general period of time which we

851
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,719
would generally sort of label as like the pandemic, right

852
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,239
like twenty to you know, twenty two ish, and so

853
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,760
most that record would have been obviously written during the

854
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,960
kind of pandemic and stuff, And he said they wrote

855
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,639
loads of music during the pandemic, and they could theoretically,

856
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,119
you know, go and fortun new record and stuff from that,

857
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,199
but he says that they would rather at this point

858
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,079
just kind of like delete it all and start afresh,

859
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:04,559
which is maybe an interesting sort of look into the

860
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,679
mindset where slipmot are right now creatively, where I mean,

861
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,760
we were more positive on the end so far than

862
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,000
I think a lot of people out there. I never

863
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,599
thought it was the best Slipnock record, but I thought

864
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:18,880
there was interesting, you know, creative decisions and kind of

865
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,239
detours and stuff and kind of wizening of the net

866
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,719
to a degree is along with just some kind of

867
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,400
good old fashioned slipknot you know, banger stuff on that record.

868
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:29,639
But I think it's probably fair to say it is

869
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,559
the least fan fairest slip album has ever gotten. Like

870
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,639
even the ones that were sort of less liked before,

871
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:39,440
they still felt like huge kind of you know, festival headlining,

872
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,400
whatever events, whereas this is the first time I slipt.

873
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,239
My album publicly is almost just kind of squeaked out,

874
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:48,800
And there is maybe a sense with this quote from

875
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,400
Jim about the again almost just wanted to kind of

876
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,639
like put that whole period creatively behind them and sort

877
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:59,159
of press a refresh button. That that's how they feel,

878
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,119
right that that's how kind of that COVID period was

879
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:04,760
a kind of okay, that was us then, but we

880
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,960
need to, you know, if we're going to be kind

881
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,679
of a healthier band, we need to sort of just

882
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,079
put a rug over that.

883
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so the thing always sums up for

884
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,559
me is how quickly, like obviously that was like a

885
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,360
really kind of like weird period of the band and

886
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,719
then suddenly it was like debut album where we're on that,

887
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,800
we're on the nostalgia pop and everyone's back on board,

888
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,039
and it kind of just felt like that that's when

889
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:26,239
it was the first or I was like, oh, they're

890
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,800
they're kind of just going to brush aside the end.

891
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,960
So far, it's kind of going to be the sort

892
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,840
of the lost Black Sheep slip on the album and

893
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,719
if they've kind of got other music so that they

894
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,880
had on the back burner and they're just going to

895
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,719
go like, yeah, this isn't going to see the light

896
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,039
of day. I think I just I just say they're

897
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:44,000
just sort of drawing a line under that sort of

898
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:45,800
how many years for the band, and it is kind

899
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,039
of just looking like a fresh start.

900
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: And maybe that has.

901
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,639
Speaker 3: Been again spurred on by the sort of reconnecting with

902
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,679
the debut album. It's kind of sort of said to them,

903
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:55,599
let's go back to sort of basics and go back

904
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:56,559
to the beginning almost And.

905
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: In fact, they brought Eloy in as well, like there's

906
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,079
new you know, there's new, new, new juice is going

907
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,960
on there. So I wouldn't expect new slipknot anytime soon.

908
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,119
But if we do get it, I think the theory

909
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,119
is it would be quite different to what kind of

910
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:11,599
had last time out and last bit of neutrom Us

911
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:14,320
is Black Braid have announced a hell of a black

912
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,599
metal tour for people over in the US. Obviously Blackbird

913
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:20,039
are a US band, but they are going on their

914
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,400
first headline tour of the country and they are bringing

915
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,840
along Lamp of Murmur and Duds read as the support bands,

916
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,800
who are two of If you mainly know Black Braid

917
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,360
and you've not delved, kind of maybe do some some

918
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,039
other black metal bands, two of the best black metal

919
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,280
bands in the world right now at this exact point

920
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,119
in time in twenty twenty five, Like they could not

921
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:43,039
pick two better bands to kind of go along on

922
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,320
that with them, to the point that, like, I've seen

923
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,559
Blackbraid twice and I think they're a really good band,

924
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:49,320
and I've enjoyed watching them live, but they need to

925
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,760
be on their a game if they're going to match

926
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,079
those openers. I haven't seen Dodds ready yet, but I

927
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,000
will in a few weeks time at Fortress, and I

928
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:57,400
trust that they're very good if it's as good as

929
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,000
their records are, and Lab of Murmur are just fucking fantastic,

930
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,039
because you know, we discussed on last week's show. So

931
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,360
if you like black metal, or maybe if you like

932
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,039
Black Braid and you don't know a lot about other

933
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:07,760
black metal, but you'd be interested in going on to

934
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,599
this tour in the US. I think this could be

935
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,719
a really good black metal tour to immerse yourself in.

936
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,079
It looks like a hell of a time. So that'll

937
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:18,039
be coming through the US in September and October of

938
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:21,519
this year. Let's move on to let's bring some questions

939
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:24,239
in on this and we're going to start with one

940
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,440
from Caroline Marie and it is a subject of question.

941
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,440
I like, it's a nice merch question. I like when

942
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,480
we get to discuss the nerderies of merch. And so

943
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:36,599
Caraeni Marie asks, have band shirts become too much for me?

944
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,880
The four sided long sleeve shirt is too loud nowadays,

945
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,559
I'm finding myself preferring a classic small logo front, big

946
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,920
design on the back. Thing we have, I don't know,

947
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,360
various merch design opinions. What's your response to this question.

948
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:54,599
Speaker 3: I mean, the four sided long sleeve is the superior

949
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:58,840
merch It's the best merch design. Like the foresaid long sleeve,

950
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,199
it is my I go if I see that as

951
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,519
a merch stand, That's what I'm drawn to.

952
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,079
Speaker 2: I love a for sided long stave.

953
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,639
Speaker 3: I know you're not a fan of the small logo, Yeah,

954
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,639
big logo back.

955
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:11,559
Speaker 2: I like that.

956
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: I think it can look really cool sometimes. I do think,

957
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,559
you know, we're at such a stage where it became

958
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,920
such a sort of like boring minimalist metalcore sort of

959
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,000
slop sort of design for that which always were having.

960
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,880
Evon got a bit sick of it when all of

961
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,960
the bands were doing it and they just looked really boring.

962
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,280
Loud merch designs will either look terrible or just look

963
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,239
like the sickest thing ever. There's no middle ground, Like

964
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,440
you're like, it's ever gonna just be cringe nonsense, or

965
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,920
you're kind of gonna be like that's so loud and

966
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:41,840
so brash and show on your face that you have

967
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,880
to have it. And for me, I do love a

968
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:49,280
like really cool if they can pull off the big

969
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,000
Greeby Skelington's and Fire and Demons and all that and

970
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,079
like make it look like cool somehow.

971
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,119
Speaker 2: That again perfect merch design.

972
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 4: I don't even need it to be cool. I love

973
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,199
all that ship two thousand and nine Metal coreon Monster Ship.

974
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:11,159
I like, I like metal, so I like stupid things

975
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:14,519
just by default. Yeah, it's metal, it's supposed to be stupid.

976
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,639
I feel like, I don't know, I get it because

977
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:23,639
the fact that it's allowed is almost the point, So

978
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,639
I get not really being into that. But there are

979
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:32,719
instances like where I wish a shirt didn't have sort

980
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,320
of a back piece, like one hundred percent of Cradle

981
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:42,239
of Filth shirts.

982
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,159
Speaker 1: Wound from the other week, which did you see not

983
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:46,679
seeing the new Nemosdium shirt design. Let's just say, I

984
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:48,239
guess his heart is in the right place, but it's

985
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,119
a hell of a thing to put He's not wrong,

986
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,159
but wow, but like, yeah, I mean, I uh in

987
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,719
what you're saying market we are is like, you know,

988
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,440
the two thousand and nine me On stuff, Like we're

989
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,440
not in the era of T shirts right, like like

990
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,000
I miss it. I mean, I I would pro I

991
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:07,719
think we're in a quite a happy place at the

992
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,360
moment where I feel like the the you know, the

993
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,199
geometric shape thing has slightly you know, expired, it's gone

994
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,239
past it cell by date. But I do I would

995
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,440
say that again, the you know, two thousand and eight

996
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:23,119
Green Neon thing right that that would be too loud

997
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:27,039
for me personally. I do see shirts where I go

998
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,440
that's a bit much, not even just in again, like

999
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,400
what we're saying about the you know, cratle fil shirts

1000
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,559
or whatever. It's like something that you openly maybe would

1001
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:35,840
not want on a shirt, but just sort of like

1002
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,960
overly loud designs, I guess is what we're talking about here.

1003
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:40,960
I'm quite picky about horror movie shirts is my thing

1004
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,639
where I'm like that, like if you've got a horror

1005
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:45,119
movie poster, I do quite like to have the art.

1006
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,000
But when you see these places do horror movie shirts

1007
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,760
and they have like the entire fucking like there's about

1008
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,159
eight different quotes from the movie, or like the sleeves

1009
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:55,039
and the breast pocket and like the bottom is, it's

1010
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,320
it's a bit of a mess.

1011
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,119
Speaker 2: I do.

1012
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,679
Speaker 1: I do quite like having a maybe a cent image

1013
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:03,920
to focus on that draws the eye. I suppose you

1014
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,400
are correct. I do not personally like the like small,

1015
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,480
you know, breast pocket print design or something on the

1016
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,880
back because to me that just means that there's a

1017
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,639
T shirt with loads of empty space on it. It's

1018
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,119
like if I'm paying fucking thirty quid for a T shirt.

1019
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,119
I don't want a black T shirt with a little

1020
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:21,400
name in the corner, like that's that's nonsense to me.

1021
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,440
But I do like I like a happy medium of

1022
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,760
like you know, a T shirt that has a sort

1023
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,880
of central design. I do like the four sided long sleeve.

1024
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,840
I am at a point where I've like, I've actually

1025
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,800
got so many long sleeves that I realize that a

1026
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,880
load of my favorite shirts I can't wear in summer

1027
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:41,280
and the world is getting warmer and currently where we're

1028
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,679
entering sweaty season, and I'm out of stage right now,

1029
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,760
where like I'm trying to actually when I buy shirts,

1030
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,559
maybe go for more short sleeves, just because I have

1031
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:50,000
so many fucking long sleeves that it's not practical to

1032
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,360
have more long sleeves. But I do, particularly if it's

1033
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,679
some cool like underground Death or black metal band with

1034
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,280
some gnarly shit on the sleeves, I do like the

1035
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,280
four sided long sleeve.

1036
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it has a like skulls down the sleeve

1037
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:06,239
or something, I'm always gonna like that. And to go

1038
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,079
back to what you're saying about movie shirts, I'm right

1039
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:12,079
now just looking at I have a seven David Fincher's

1040
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,440
seven long sleeve that has like four brad pits faces.

1041
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: I know, like stuff like that. It's like Jesus cried,

1042
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,639
pick pick one, calm down. But like, yeah, I say, obviously,

1043
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,440
it all comes down to your own personal taste, doesn't it.

1044
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,400
If you just like wearing a little you know, breastprint

1045
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,400
thing and you don't like have something that's with the

1046
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,360
four sided long seats, and that's that's perfectly fine. You

1047
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,800
don't have to rock them. But I think at the

1048
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,440
moment were actually quite a good era for merch, Like, yeah,

1049
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:41,119
I agree the Imperial Triumphant like fucking like Dark Souls

1050
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:44,239
Bloodborne like shirt that they put out a while ago,

1051
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,440
with the like the health bars on it and the

1052
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,800
giant monster that they've all got the Imperial Trumport mask

1053
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,400
on that. That's a's a peak shirt design, isn't it?

1054
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,559
Speaker 3: Like it's it's crazy. That's the right level of loud.

1055
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:56,119
That's just all of the loudness you want.

1056
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So there's our two cents on that particular question.

1057
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:03,559
Stephen Shaw asks, has a band's gimmick ever put you

1058
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:06,320
off listening from them at first? I remember finding sluggage

1059
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,360
funny for a distance with their mollusk parody song titles

1060
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,440
before finally checking out the music and realizing how good

1061
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,760
they were. Yah Sluggajar a pretty good band. This is

1062
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,119
a question, so I can go, Sam, every band you've

1063
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:18,480
ever seen in your life, even the ones that don't

1064
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:20,480
have gimmicks. You go, this is a gimmick. I don't

1065
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:21,039
trust them.

1066
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 2: You you have taken the Nightfly office some thing. So

1067
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,840
personally they are my doughty answer. They are a gimmick.

1068
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 3: Back them Electric cor Boy. They are gimmick bands. They

1069
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,679
have shiit gimmicks, music that can be fun. The one

1070
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:39,360
for me, I was gonna I was like Twilight fourth

1071
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,000
one where I kind of looked at their album covers,

1072
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:43,760
the way they dressed. I was like, this band is

1073
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,639
gonna be fucking one of the worst bands ever.

1074
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: You're a Disney adult, like for Disney adults anyway.

1075
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,639
Speaker 3: Saying like like it looked cheap, it looked nath And

1076
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,840
then it's just the songs are huge, fair enough, but

1077
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:01,719
the thing is there are there are just so every

1078
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,800
time I see a new kind of like, oh this

1079
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:06,519
is a like Star Wars feme.

1080
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: Metal band, or I'm just like, no, they're all just shit.

1081
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: Like anytime I'm if I'm kind of seeing something something

1082
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:17,400
like put before the music, I'm not interested. I will

1083
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,320
ride it off until like and again. Sometimes you know,

1084
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:25,159
like eicelind Kills, they're a gimmick band that's all kind

1085
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:27,599
of lined up for me that I do actually, you know,

1086
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:30,039
kind of on board of it. I got part of

1087
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,440
them being ship before I got part of them gimmick,

1088
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,159
and then they got good, Like when they got more gimmicky,

1089
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:38,679
they got good. So maybe gimmicks can be good. But yeah,

1090
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,800
there's probably loads of bands where I'm just gonna looked

1091
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,760
at and gone, Nope, I just ain't got time for you.

1092
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: You're wearing a silly costume.

1093
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 3: Any folk metal band where they're just as fucking trolls,

1094
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:50,679
any of that sort of shit like that. Any any band,

1095
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:53,719
whether someone just as a goblin or an orc or

1096
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,960
a minetor any kind of fancy creature, probably gonna be

1097
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:57,400
a bit shit.

1098
00:50:57,519 --> 00:51:00,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I have very good makes sense, and

1099
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,679
that I can. I'm quite good at telling before actually

1100
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,840
diving too deep. When one is like, you know, very

1101
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,719
close a gimmick in the way that I would put it,

1102
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,920
which is that it is prioritized above the music that

1103
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:16,239
is the thing for me, versus a legitimate band who

1104
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,440
maybe have like a silly mythos or something. So for

1105
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,360
example that you know your your eyes and ears are

1106
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,360
less trained, I would say you see less of a

1107
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,599
difference between fintroll and neck Regoblicon than I do. I

1108
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,840
same thing I see in nick Regblicon, a legitimate gimmick

1109
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,360
band where they were just a pretty like a nothing

1110
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,280
band where they had a goblin versus Fintroll, who are

1111
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,960
a great band who have everything kind of tied into

1112
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:42,960
the presentation of what they do. And that is a

1113
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,519
difference there for me. And because of that, again, I'm

1114
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,320
quite good at like telling just from kind of a

1115
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,960
distance and how that presentation works when something is tied

1116
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,639
in like that versus when it is more superficial an

1117
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:57,519
ill for out. And I can kind of tell when

1118
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,880
bands have got I don't know, good teen with their

1119
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,320
gimmicks like a a ghost or something where you go like, yeah, cool,

1120
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,360
that works, like I would. There are lots of people

1121
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,039
that go, I the thing back in the early days

1122
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:10,679
with Ghost when they came through with people going like

1123
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,760
that they should be way heavier, right that the gimmick

1124
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,639
and the presentation doesn't match up with this kind of

1125
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:18,760
poppy band that I'm hearing, But that to me always

1126
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,320
registers as a kind of like again, a sort of

1127
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,559
an untrained iron ear because they're so clearly drawing on

1128
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,159
the history of nineteen seventies and eighties kind of horror

1129
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,599
rock that it was always perfectly completely made sense to me,

1130
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,760
versus I don't know. I look at about like Avatar

1131
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,880
and everything just all we're a carnival, and I go,

1132
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:38,599
that's clearly a band with less refined taste in what

1133
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:40,079
they're doing, And that's kind of where how was.

1134
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:44,079
Speaker 3: That band you posted in the Oh God discord?

1135
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't even want to shout them about red now

1136
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,400
cause that feels like punching down a tidy band. But

1137
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,280
there was a UK band that I found hysterical this

1138
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:52,320
last week.

1139
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: That's a sort of shit that you look at and

1140
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:54,760
go like, yeah, that's it.

1141
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 3: They've got a naugh gimmick like any sort of bad

1142
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,960
like theatrical or something, And then in their sort of

1143
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,519
Spotify bio, I'm always just like, you're probably gonna be

1144
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:03,320
a bit shit, aren't You're not?

1145
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,199
Speaker 2: Actually theatrical?

1146
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? Mark you're you're more maybe aligned with me, even

1147
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,559
more so kind of being down for a silly time.

1148
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,480
So I feel like I can't imagine many bands where

1149
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,840
you've seen the thing and gone no, I want nothing

1150
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,199
to do with that. It would normally invite you in No, like.

1151
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 4: You I whenever I see like a gimmick or whatever

1152
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:27,679
and go no, that looke shit, It's always a shit

1153
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,280
band have been like, oh, actually locally docally rip.

1154
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1155
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm almost the opposite of this question, where like

1156
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,880
there's bands like Gravedigger where I heard there's this heavy

1157
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,039
metal band where all the songs are about Scotland and

1158
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:47,960
Scotland mythology and I wish I liked the music. Like,

1159
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:51,360
there's no scenario where I would see a band like

1160
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,199
Twilight Force and not go I want to like that. Yeah.

1161
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: Again one example, I'm not saying this just to kind

1162
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:01,440
of I hate on sleep Token again because this isn't

1163
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,800
actually to do with them so much as to do

1164
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,400
with the press. But again, part of the I can

1165
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,559
sort of there's a certain vibe the way magazines or

1166
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,000
whatever we'll talk about some of these bands, which almost

1167
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,719
feels like it's trying to inflate something a bit so

1168
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,760
when sleep Token were very first coming through on the

1169
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,079
first album right again before they were like, you know, massive,

1170
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:23,119
and everyone knew who they were, and the press was

1171
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:26,679
always be this like like, oh, we've received a secret

1172
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:29,920
message from the masked entity known only as sleep Token,

1173
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,559
and that in a again, it's not to actually do

1174
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:34,280
with sleep Token and their how they were presenting themselves.

1175
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,960
It's to do with how the press were engaging with

1176
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,920
it in a way that spoke to me as almost

1177
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,599
like sucking up to it a bit, you know, and

1178
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:44,039
trying to inflate something that wasn't there. And that is

1179
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:47,960
maybe actually my closest answer to the question here of

1180
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:53,960
like a particular presentation of something that made me suspicious

1181
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:55,639
of it before i'd actually heard the music.

1182
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 3: As a really good result of that is I think

1183
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,960
they've releasing their first song tomorrow. But President or whatever

1184
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,360
they're called, right, everything about the presentation of that or that,

1185
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,599
I'm like, I'm I haven't they haven't listened a song yet.

1186
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that it's gonna be it.

1187
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,519
Speaker 1: It's a bit, isn't it. I'm telling you with.

1188
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:16,079
Speaker 3: Full confidence, this President thing is gonna be fucking It's

1189
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:18,519
like the sleep Token Ice Man Fetus Hybrid.

1190
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be terrible.

1191
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 3: And then about it, because it's that same thing you

1192
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,880
said with the press kind of sucking up to it

1193
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,320
and they're like, who are the mysterious President and.

1194
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: All that, and he's wearing like it just looks awful.

1195
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,119
It's a shit gimmick.

1196
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: The music's gonna suck, and I'm sure when the song'st tomorrow,

1197
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:35,880
I'll get to like gloats about being right.

1198
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, maybe you'll be completely wrong, but it

1199
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,519
will be the presentation that has kind of made you

1200
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:41,239
feel that way because I you know, I don't think

1201
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,079
i'll be wrong. Well no, but I'm just saying theoretically

1202
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,480
you could be, but you are this way because of

1203
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:49,119
how it has been kind of sold. And yeah, and

1204
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:51,519
just going back to again, the kind of spotting a

1205
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:53,800
good one and a bad one, right, something like that

1206
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,360
does make me suspicious. But like Horny Werewolf Priest power

1207
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,280
metal or you know, like you know, Slugs Mollus cosmic

1208
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,079
death metal, which is what sluggish do. I can see

1209
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,119
how that works. Airliner yacht rock. I think that's a

1210
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,280
gimmick that makes sense. It works for them. The songs

1211
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,239
are great. I'm down with that in a way that

1212
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,039
I am slightly more resistant to that particular phenomenon that

1213
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:15,840
we've just described.

1214
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,199
Speaker 4: One that's sort of similar to the question that I've

1215
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,440
just thought of is when I first learned of the Ocean,

1216
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:25,039
and I didn't listen to them for a lot while

1217
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:26,599
because I was like, I don't want to look at

1218
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:29,840
those words. I'm not reading all that oh right, stupid

1219
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,000
words and issues, and I don't know what this is

1220
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,360
for me. I'm not a fucking nerd.

1221
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know all about the ocean and it's many,

1222
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,760
many layers. Yeah, fair enough, right, And finally Paul Terry asked,

1223
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,199
this is a question that was asked a little while

1224
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:46,679
ago when we'd recently completed our Sabbath special. But I've

1225
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:47,920
sat on it for a while and I've dug it

1226
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,000
out here following the excellent discussion of eighties lost Sabbath classics.

1227
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,000
So we were talking about albums like Headless, Cross and

1228
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,679
Tear and so on. What are other lost eighties classic

1229
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,960
metal albums? Mark? This is a subject that you and

1230
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,119
I have I hand over to you too, because like

1231
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:08,639
the you and I and I bet Elliott as well.

1232
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:10,079
But you and I we spend a lot of our

1233
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:12,119
own time just being like, oh, I remember that one.

1234
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,519
That's great, So what are your favorites?

1235
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,079
Speaker 4: I mean, my immediate thought was caught in the Act

1236
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:18,719
by Satan.

1237
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: I knew it would be, which because you're fucking.

1238
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:25,559
Speaker 4: Right, that record is just so like it rips. It's

1239
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:29,239
so not that it's like heavy heavy, but it's quite savage.

1240
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:30,360
For in the Warbom album.

1241
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:31,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel.

1242
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: Like it's radically and aggressive.

1243
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the riffs are so spidery and like extreme

1244
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:43,480
in context. It's just a really rollicking album and I

1245
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:46,480
think more people would really get on with it if

1246
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:47,800
they knew about it.

1247
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And even just on the Satan thing, if you

1248
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,039
listen to Court in the Act went, oh, this is

1249
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:53,280
a bit kind of rough early eighties for me. Then

1250
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,159
you go listen to Life Sentence right the Comeback album,

1251
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:56,920
and it's like, oh, yeah, this is the thing done

1252
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,079
perfectly with great production or whatever. That. There are so

1253
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,320
many albums I could say, and again it depends on

1254
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,079
how we define, you know, how high, because are we

1255
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:08,400
talking lost to people who generally like and know a

1256
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,360
fair bit about like eighties heavy metal, or are we

1257
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,119
talking about You know, there are so many albums that

1258
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,039
maybe to your average metal fan today, they haven't gone

1259
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:19,400
back and heard, you know, some of these quite seminal

1260
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,480
albums from the eighties. It's like, how many people really

1261
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:24,639
listen to The Scorpions anymore? You know. It's like the

1262
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:28,960
Scorpions are fucking enormous, right, They're head festival, headline in band.

1263
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,239
They've got songs that are like, you know, multi however

1264
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,039
many million sellers or whatever. But I mean it took

1265
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,199
me ages to get into the Scorpions, like longer than

1266
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:38,800
it theoretically should have done. And I feel like they

1267
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,719
are a band where like I feel like I've been

1268
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:42,639
mental to say love at First Thing is a lost

1269
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:44,760
metal album, but like there's a lot of people who

1270
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,920
probably never heard it, you know, and then you can

1271
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,519
go down like you know, the even like the Doo

1272
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:52,639
albums in the eighties that follow Holy Diver right, or

1273
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:54,239
like even like the Last in Line, right, you know

1274
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,880
that they are lesser known than the Peak. Everybody knows

1275
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:01,880
Dio stuff. They're great. You could say about saying about

1276
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,119
like you know, Twisted Sister, the stuff that's not Stay Hungry.

1277
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,519
You know, it's like under the Blade under the Blade

1278
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:09,760
is a fucking me a perfect eighties heavy metal album.

1279
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 4: I was gonna say Love is for Socckers, the fifth

1280
00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:17,360
and final Twisted Sister album. I'm not saying this classic.

1281
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,519
Hot Love on it is classic, but I love that record,

1282
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,000
and it's because it is sort of the album that

1283
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,519
killed them. It is definitely a lost album, like no

1284
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,679
one's fucking listening to Love is for Soccers other than me.

1285
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:33,519
Speaker 2: But it's great.

1286
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: It's just a great, sunny like pop metal album, and

1287
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,079
Hot Love is the best song ever.

1288
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:41,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1289
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1290
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: We did our album Club the other year on Thunder

1291
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,440
and Lightning by Thin Lizzie, which is when they made

1292
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,119
an eighties heavy metal album, and it's fucking absolutely it's

1293
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:54,320
just like the sickest thing you've ever heard. Yeah, you know,

1294
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,599
we've spoken about like Manila Road and those kind of

1295
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:59,239
things which are very classic to a particular cult scene,

1296
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,000
but maybe not so own outside of it. Just to

1297
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:04,519
throw out some names of other stuff maybe that exists

1298
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:09,519
along those lines. The very first band and album that

1299
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:11,360
popped into my head when I saw this question was

1300
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,719
the band Demon and they have got They've got some

1301
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:16,039
albums of the early age, they've got Night of the

1302
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:17,880
Demon and the one that really popped ahead of their album,

1303
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,440
The Unexpected Guest, which is just the When I heard

1304
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,719
that a few years ago, I was like, how has

1305
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,239
this album evaded me for all these years? This is

1306
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:31,119
just absolutely outrageously good heavy metal. And they're one of

1307
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:33,480
those things where like there's quite a few bands who

1308
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:36,079
have kind of come they've had a little bit more spotlight,

1309
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:38,920
particularly because Tobias Forge likes them, and they're clear models

1310
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,840
for the ghost thing again of that like Spooky seventies again,

1311
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:44,800
the albums that people who looked at Ghosts and went,

1312
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,920
why aren't you a black metal band? Are not aware of,

1313
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,599
which is why the given it makes sense was stuff

1314
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:51,119
like this, but like The Unexpected Guest by Demon that

1315
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:54,679
starts with don't Break the Circle is out of this

1316
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,079
world bit maybe again legendary and a cult scene that

1317
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:00,800
you could throw o. Stuff like which find a general

1318
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,480
in their first album, even like I'm not even gonna

1319
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,920
do my my thing that I usually do when I

1320
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,440
say this album to you Mark, which is kind of

1321
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,599
insists that it's the best one or whatever. But an

1322
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:12,119
album that I think is maybe kind of lost is

1323
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:15,239
the first Deaf Leppard album on Through the Night, which

1324
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:18,320
is just like that's before they turned into like, you know,

1325
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,719
Deaf Leopard, Deaf Leopard. It's just a new with a

1326
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,199
British heavy metal album. But if you like new Ever

1327
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,880
Britch heavy metal, it's great. Yeah, it's decent.

1328
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, even bands like Panzer Jag you know.

1329
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah Jag Pans are ample destruction, great shot.

1330
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:35,039
Speaker 4: Jack, Panzo yep. Who Yeah, like the eighties, this is

1331
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:37,360
a hot take. The eighties was good for a heavy.

1332
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:42,719
Speaker 1: Metal yeah, Agent Steel Skeptics Apocalypse is just a random

1333
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,239
one that if you put on, you go, whoa, this

1334
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,320
is crazy. I'm a big fan of the Canadian kind

1335
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,039
of speed thrash metal band Razor, who they put out

1336
01:01:51,039 --> 01:01:53,599
like again like really ratily strange speed metal albums like

1337
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,960
Evil Invaders. And then you get to Violent Restitution at

1338
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,480
the end of the eighties or maybe the beginning of

1339
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,599
the nineties that one, but around then and it's like

1340
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:03,360
most brutal thrash metal, like it's just got a chainsaw

1341
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,360
on the cover, and Cannibal Corps covered one of the

1342
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,360
songs on it, like just like ripping stuff. Again, as

1343
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:12,239
you're saying, the eighties, you know, heavy speed thrash, early

1344
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,719
power metal, whatever, like the first Helloween album Walls of Jericho.

1345
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,320
People don't talk about in relation to Keep a Seven Keys,

1346
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,559
but Walls of Jericho like goes so fucking hard, it's crazy.

1347
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:23,599
There's endless stuff from that time that really forms the

1348
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,800
foundations that you can just go dig in forever, and

1349
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:27,800
that one that's come around more now because of the

1350
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,280
typo stuff. But like Retaliation by Carnivore is just like

1351
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:33,880
so many names there. If you just want to go

1352
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,199
and listen to every single one of those names, if

1353
01:02:36,199 --> 01:02:38,400
you like heavy metal from the eighties, you'll be having

1354
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:41,800
the best day ever going through all of that stuff.

1355
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,920
So there's a whole bunch to cap off again our

1356
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,840
discussion of Headless Cross and so on, which if you've

1357
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,639
not heard those records yet after we did our Sabbath discussion,

1358
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,039
then you should do. So that's a very good segue

1359
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:55,199
into briefly speaking about the That's not Met Patreon, where

1360
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,880
the last thing that we have done there is myself

1361
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,880
and Sam we did an episode of on for t

1362
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,079
and Ander's Horror, a horror podcast series on Sinners and

1363
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:07,119
the new Until Dawn movie Sinners. We spoke for so long,

1364
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,559
including speaking about the score and the drummer who's involved

1365
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:12,480
with it, we managed to completely gloss over the fact

1366
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,199
probably it's not actually in the movie, but there's a

1367
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,159
fucking Jerry Cantrell song on the soundtrack that we didn't

1368
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:21,039
even get to speaking about. And then I think that

1369
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,639
that demands the spotlight. But I had a really funny

1370
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:25,519
time speaking about until Dawn because we just got so

1371
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:28,400
confused by the end of it. We were just so like, what.

1372
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:34,159
Speaker 3: Genuine like not kind a piece togither, how fucking weird

1373
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:35,559
like in that movie is? And then we would sat

1374
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:37,760
there and try to actually like describe what was happening

1375
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,760
in Piece together. It was just like no, wait, wait,

1376
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,880
what wait, what what does that mean?

1377
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: Like?

1378
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:46,159
Speaker 3: But yeah, Sinners like is the event of the year

1379
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:48,199
so far in terms of like films, And they were

1380
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:50,800
so cool to again just really dig into all the

1381
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,159
different aspects of all the themes, what everything means, and

1382
01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:55,440
just how like fucking cool that movie is and then

1383
01:03:55,519 --> 01:03:57,440
just have a good laugh about a very stupid horror

1384
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:58,199
movie afterwards.

1385
01:03:58,239 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: Good times.

1386
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, one discussion of like a genuine, you know, kind

1387
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,760
of cinematic marvel one quite refreshing grounding discussion of just

1388
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,519
some stupid what the fuck is going on here? Why

1389
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:14,840
do they do that? So that is available on the

1390
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,800
Patreon on the highest tier where all of our horror

1391
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:22,039
podcast episodes go out. Otherwise, we have our Poison the

1392
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:24,000
Well special that we are going to finish before the

1393
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:27,079
end of this month, certainly in regards to the band specials,

1394
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:28,599
and then we've got all sorts of stuff planned for

1395
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:31,599
the summer in regards to the music specials in terms

1396
01:04:31,639 --> 01:04:35,599
of kind of almost like battles and scene spotlights and

1397
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:37,079
years and all of this kind of stuff that we

1398
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:38,760
got going on over there. So it's a good time

1399
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:41,440
if you want to get involved over at Patriot com

1400
01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:45,440
slash that's not metal. Let's end hyperblasts. We're the releases

1401
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:49,039
for the sixteenth of May twenty twenty five. We start

1402
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:51,480
with a new album from Berry Tomorrow which is called

1403
01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:54,840
will You Haunt Me with that same patience. Then there

1404
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,119
is the new Callous Dowboys album which is called I

1405
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,119
Don't Want to See You in Heaven, which is too

1406
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:01,800
many words across the two titles, too many words, But

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novelists are helping us out with just calling their album

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coder I suppose then, so we're quite heavily weighted on

1409
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:11,719
the sort of the metalcore and post hardcore stuff this week.

1410
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For whatever reason. There's all those. Then there's Ancle Pridion,

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01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,280
who are from I think Estonia and theirs is kind

1412
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of like slightly genty in a like you know, I

1413
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,480
would say for fans of like Ginger and stuff like

1414
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:26,880
that and vexed them stuff like that. That's sort of

1415
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,159
like slightly heavier Gnarlia, vaguely gente in tone, kind of

1416
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,400
metal core. They're out there a hundredth I got a

1417
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,159
new album, Faded Splendor, Sam. I don't remember what hundreds

1418
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:37,880
sound like these days. They've shifted, haven't they.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: I would say, kind of like dream poppy hue Gaze

1421
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,320
band at this point, they've been They've been quiet for

1422
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,000
a couple of years, so I'm happy to have them

1423
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:51,320
them back. But yeah, hardcore bands turned shoegas band turned

1424
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:52,159
dream pop band.

1425
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Speaker 2: Like I'm cool, I'm down to what they've got going

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on here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a new album from a band called Arm's Length,

1428
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,639
who are a newer band. I think these are kind

1429
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:03,239
of a emos slightly bordering maybe on politic punk. Yeah,

1430
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:05,719
that pop punk that sort of terrain. They're albums called

1431
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:08,320
There's a whole world out there if you just want

1432
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,039
some just old school hardcore. Then there is the band

1433
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:15,199
Death before Deshonnor with their album Nowhere Bound. Then there

1434
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,000
is the kind of post rock post metal band Pelican

1435
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:23,000
Flickering Resonance. Steve ron Till from Neurosis. He's got another

1436
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:25,320
solo album out of kind of dark folky type stuff

1437
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:28,400
called Alone in a World of Wounds. Then we're going

1438
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,400
to move into black metal with a man called on

1439
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:35,159
Fot with Dimsvall. There's a band called blood Monolith, which

1440
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:38,639
is Shelby from author who is now also been nailed.

1441
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:40,800
He's doing a new kind of death metal type thing,

1442
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,800
so that record is called The Calling of Fire. The

1443
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:48,239
long running kind of black death metal band Anthropomorphia releaseding

1444
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,119
Devoid of Light. There's another again very kind of like

1445
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,960
really sort of old school quite low fi death metal,

1446
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:59,199
cad of a Shrine Into the Horrible Depth. Then again

1447
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,599
somewhere between death and black metal, Drouth The Teeth of Time.

1448
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:06,079
And then there are two EPs out today that I

1449
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:08,400
want to highlight as well. One is from Full of Hell,

1450
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:13,480
who are quite swiftly follow the last album with an

1451
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,760
EP called Broken Sword Rotten Shield, and then maybe not

1452
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,440
quite as productive. So it's notable that their back Youth

1453
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,360
Code are back with their first material in some time,

1454
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,920
with an EP called Yours with Malice. That is what

1455
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,239
we've got for you this time. Thank you very much

1456
01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:31,679
for listening. We will be back. I think we're going

1457
01:07:31,719 --> 01:07:35,440
to aim to get the reviews for May out sooner

1458
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:37,599
rather than later. There's obvious some really big albums that

1459
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:39,199
we haven't had the time to actually go and cover yet,

1460
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:40,400
so we really want to get those out before we

1461
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,320
sit on them for too much longer. And you know,

1462
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:44,719
we'll have some kind of smaller, sort of slightly more

1463
01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:46,239
cult picks in there as well, a nice mix as

1464
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:48,119
we always aim to do, but we're going to aim

1465
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:50,719
to get that done pretty shortly. Then. As I mentioned,

1466
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,280
we also have the Poison the Well Special that we're

1467
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,000
sitting on too. We can get that out as well,

1468
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:57,599
and then some of again, So rejoice everybody, Thank you

1469
01:07:57,679 --> 01:07:59,920
very much for being here and listening. Let us know

1470
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,159
your takes on everything we have discussed today, everything from

1471
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,599
the superior merch designs and are four sided long sleeves

1472
01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:11,199
good all the way through to what is going on

1473
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,480
with bullet from my Valentine and if you're at the

1474
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,760
scour shows all of that stuff. So cheers everybody. We'll

1475
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,079
be back soon. Have a good week everyone. Bye bye,