1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A. Here at proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,039 It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella 3 00:00:10,279 --> 00:00:14,439 me Rick weisst and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,960 Well Aloha Today we talk about hibiscus. And if you 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,120 think there was confusion with the name hydrangea, the same 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:29,160 maybe could be said about hibiscus. Hibiscus deeply woven into 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,719 the Hawaiian culture, serving as the official state flower and 8 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:40,280 a symbol of hospitality, the Aloha spirit. I love hibiscus 9 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:44,320 because it gives a tropical feel to my yard in 10 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:48,479 the heat of summer, and I loved the summertime. And 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,600 when a customer walks into the garden center and says, 12 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:55,960 I want a hibiscus, you got to do a little 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,880 bit of detective work. It's almost it's almost a homonym 14 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:04,760 with multiple meanings or intentions. It's like the word spring 15 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:07,840 could be water coming out of the ground, it could 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,319 be a season, it could be a metal coil. So 17 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,000 when they say I want hibiscus, Well, the great thing 18 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,519 about this, Stacey, there's lots of great choices. 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,599 Speaker 2: Well, that's true, and no matter what hibiscus, you leave 20 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,359 with you win? Did you get hibiscus? You know, it's 21 00:01:24,359 --> 00:01:26,959 funny that we talk about all the confusion and hibiscus, 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,719 and that's really why we wanted to do this show, 23 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:31,239 because you know, we hear from so many gardeners who 24 00:01:31,239 --> 00:01:34,480 write us about our products, and you know, they ask 25 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:36,840 us all these questions about hibiscus, where we're like, wait, 26 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:38,680 why would someone think that? So, you know, I think 27 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,560 there's enough confusion here and enough interesting hibiscus for us 28 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:45,319 to cover it. But in researching the show, I found 29 00:01:45,359 --> 00:01:49,560 that hibiscus is even more confusing really than we originally thought. Yes, 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:50,239 are you ready for this? 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: Sure? 32 00:01:50,959 --> 00:01:54,959 Speaker 2: Okay. The name hibiscus, which is the scientific genus for 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,200 the plant, even though there are many different common names, 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,159 as we will soon explain, derives from the Greek word 35 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:06,879 for the plant marshmallow. Oh yeah, so we'll be getting 36 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:10,319 into marshmallows because the family is known as the mallow 37 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:13,360 family or the malvasi. So hibiscus itself derives from the 38 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,960 Greek word for marshmallow. But now the plant that this describes, 39 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,400 the marshmallow, is not actually a hibiscuits. It's an alfea, yes, 40 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,439 and that something? Yes, it really is it. 41 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: Blows your mind. And then once we get past the marshmallows, 42 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,680 let's talk about hibiscus tea too. 43 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, we're you know, I have never had it. 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,719 I've never had it, but it's a beautiful color. Yes, 45 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:43,319 and it is when we will be answering this question 46 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,280 probably the number one question that we get about hibiscus 47 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,879 at proven Winter's Color Choice Shrubs, even though the only 48 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,840 high biscus that we offer are tropical hibiscus and Rosa Sharon. 49 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:56,840 Number one question, can I use this for tea? 50 00:02:56,879 --> 00:02:57,599 Speaker 1: Interesting? 51 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,719 Speaker 2: We get it, we hear it is almost every day. 52 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,439 Speaker 1: I like that. I know that they use hibiscus leaves, 53 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:09,080 hibiscus flowers at zoos for the iguanas and other animals 54 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,240 as an edible component of their diet. And of course, 55 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:17,159 Tufts University in the United States, just in the Boston 56 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,560 area created a real stir in twenty eighteen when they 57 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:25,280 said in their research they found hibiscus tea is one 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,599 of the best things you can drink for high blood pressure. 59 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: And it's delicious. Well, you know, I have to just 60 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:33,439 because there's the opportunity here, I have to take at 61 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,879 one of our colleagues here at Proven Minterer's Colored Choice 62 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:39,520 Shrubs has a pet tortoise, a Russian tortoise, okay, and 63 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,960 its favorite food by far is hibiscus, specifically the tropical hibiscus, 64 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,800 and she has marvelous videos of this little tortoise just 65 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,840 go into town munching away. But the fact is, even 66 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:56,439 though yes, iguanas in tortoises love to eat them, and 67 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,719 even though we do have hibiscus tea, which is a 68 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:02,840 con seemable part of a specific type of hibiscus which 69 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,080 we'll get to the family, the malvasy is actually full 70 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,319 of edible plants. In fact, it contains chocolate. 71 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: Chocolate. 72 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, theobroma cacau is in the malvasy. 73 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to hear. 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean, can this plant family do it all? 75 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,120 Or what we're talking chocolate, we're talking cola, so the 76 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,639 nuts that traditionally flavored cola. And of course then we 77 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,920 have the tea, oh, cotton, cotton and okra, and I 78 00:04:32,959 --> 00:04:33,839 know we both love okra. 79 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, Okra. There is a tie to okra 80 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:41,600 and I love okra. Yeah. So you know again, kind 81 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:45,079 of interesting when a customer walks in the door and 82 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:50,439 asks for a high biscus. Now we're primarily talking I mean, 83 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,920 that's all fascinating, but we're primarily talking about three different types. 84 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,800 In my mind, for the garden center customer, we have 85 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:02,839 the tropic high biscus, Stacy, I just watched a video 86 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:06,639 on YouTube where you talk about Hollywood high biscus. I 87 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,680 love Hollywood high biscus in the greenhouse when those are 88 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:16,600 in bloom. The flower colors unreal, rosa sensus. It's not hardy, 89 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,360 but does it give you the feel of the tropics 90 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,639 in summertime. The other high biscus that people commonly are 91 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,519 looking for is the herbaceous perennial high biscus. Some people 92 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,720 refer to it as rose mallow. And then thirdly, and 93 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:36,560 I'm sure you're going going to get into this, Stacy, 94 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:43,480 the Althea or hibiscus or rose of Sharon. And for me, 95 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,199 some of the cultivars, the varieties that proven winners Color 96 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,079 Choice shrubs has including I just love the pillar high 97 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:57,199 biscus and how it's a space saver, and how they're 98 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,160 not you know, they don't produce the seed that the 99 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,319 old altheas did. Boy, what a great line of let's 100 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:08,399 call them hibiscus. But once you've done that detective work 101 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:10,560 with the customer, then you can start to lead them 102 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,399 where they need to go. 103 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,079 Speaker 2: That's true because people do you know, it's common for 104 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:16,600 people to kind of conflate all of these things. And 105 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:20,759 you know, just as another example, people very often assume 106 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:24,439 that when they have purchased a summarific hibiscus, which is 107 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:27,879 a perennial or herbaceous perennial. It's a herbaceous perennial because 108 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:30,439 it dies back completely to the ground, there's nothing left 109 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,759 in the winter sprouts up from the roots. That's a 110 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:36,360 herbaceous plant. They write us about our woody hibiscus, oh 111 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:38,480 I bought one of your summarific hibiscus, because they just 112 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:40,560 kind of lump this all in together. But of course, 113 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:44,480 a perennial hibiscus, like the summarific series, is going to 114 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,879 behave much differently than our roses of Sharon, which are shrubs, 115 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:50,920 in that they are woody plants with woody parts that 116 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,399 persist above ground. And then just to add a little 117 00:06:54,399 --> 00:06:57,040 twist in there, we have the Hollywood hibiscus, which are 118 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:00,360 perennial or a shrub if you live in US Diaz 119 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,519 nine or warmer and the rest of us treat it 120 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:05,879 like an annual. Yes, so it is. You know, I 121 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,079 understand why people are confused. So I think, you know, 122 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:12,160 as a first kind of bit of advice, if you're 123 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:14,680 going into the garden center and you're not quite sure 124 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,240 which hibiscus you want, you can start by asking for 125 00:07:17,279 --> 00:07:17,680 a color. 126 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,279 Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good idea. 127 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,439 Speaker 2: Because there's you know, very different colors. The roses of 128 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:26,519 Sharon come in very different colors than the tropical hibiscus, 129 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,800 So roses of Sharon tend to be pink, purple, white, 130 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:33,720 the whereas the tropical hibiscus. You're not going to find 131 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:36,040 a purple in there, really, you know, more red and 132 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,920 pink and white. No yellow. Oh, the tropical hibiscus has 133 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,199 yellow and orange, right, but then the summerific perennial hibiscus 134 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:46,000 only the pink's, reds and whites. So it's if you 135 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,160 go in with a color in mind, that is going 136 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:50,720 to help your garden center match you up to your 137 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,920 dream hibiscus a lot more easily than if you just 138 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,199 say hibiscus. 139 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: Another important thing to do, I have found is read 140 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:02,279 the tag that tags are there for a reason. Tags 141 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:06,439 are invested in for a reason and help us out here, Stacey. 142 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:09,720 So you walk into the garden center. If it's Hibiscus 143 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,560 rosa snensis, it's a tropical high biscus. 144 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,079 Speaker 2: That's great. Rosa sensus actually means Chinese rose, okay, which 145 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:21,519 it is not. But anyway, if it. 146 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: Is Hibiscus syriacus, that is in althea or rose of 147 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,720 shares correcrect yep, all right, and then here's the tough one. 148 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:34,679 But we all have to learn together, folks. Hibiscus moscutos. 149 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so fun to say. 150 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:40,919 Speaker 1: It is fun to Is that how you pronounced rose mallow? 151 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:45,039 I've also heard it mosquitos. That's too close to me. 152 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I didn't look up the etymology of that. 153 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,279 That would have been interesting to know if the ch 154 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:53,879 should be a ch or a hard cut, depending on 155 00:08:53,919 --> 00:08:56,360 where it originated from. But yeah, you don't want it 156 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:59,200 to sound like mosquito, So moschutos it is. 157 00:08:59,399 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: There we go. And then finally, as we touched on initially, 158 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:11,879 the Hibiscus sab sabdarifa sada. Yeah, so we call it roselle. 159 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: This so roselle is the plant that is used for sea. 160 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:17,919 So none of those other hibiscus that we just listed 161 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:22,519 are going to make Hibiscus tea. They're not poisonous, and 162 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,919 they are edible to some extent or another, but they're 163 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,320 never going to give you that beautiful, bright red Hibiscus 164 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,600 tea that is only Hibiscus sabdorifa. And this is not 165 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:34,120 really a common plant, especially for us in the north. 166 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,679 It's only a perennial, much like tropical hibiscus in USDA 167 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:39,759 Zone nine or hotter. So you're only going to see 168 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:42,960 it potentially in garden centers probably down there, where it 169 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:45,240 is a perennial that they grow year after year. For 170 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:47,279 those of us in cold climates who want to grow 171 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,720 our own Hibiscus tea, we're pretty much only looking at 172 00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:53,279 growing this from seed. You're not usually going to find 173 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:55,720 it unless you have a very specialty garden center. But 174 00:09:55,919 --> 00:09:58,759 it is very easy to grow from seed, and if 175 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:01,440 you start it early enough indoors in a cold climate, 176 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,200 you can actually get to the point where it's flowering 177 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,600 and giving you it's fruit because you actually harvest the 178 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,799 what would be considered the fruit about a week after 179 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:13,440 the flower falls off. It's the little seedpod well before 180 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,200 the seeds develop. That is what the roselle or hibiscus 181 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:21,120 tea is made from. So if you want hibiscus tea, 182 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,279 you're gonna have to get seed, you're gonna have to 183 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,200 start it early, and you're gonna have to wait till 184 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,399 the end of the season. So it might be better 185 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,759 to just go buy the hibiscus tea, although it's worth growing. 186 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:31,759 It's a very lovely plant. 187 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:34,919 Speaker 1: I think so too fantastic. Well, I love high biscus 188 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:37,960 because any kind of high biscus, because they give me 189 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,159 a tropical feel. I tied that into this week's limb 190 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:47,840 a rick. Hibiscus blooms our symbolical and create a feeling paradoxical. 191 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,000 I live in the north, but after July fourth, it 192 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:56,919 feels and looks downright tropical. Aloha. We deserve this together. 193 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:02,159 Will reminisce about the weather last Jamanuary. It was miserable 194 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,480 and scary, but summer is pure bliss. I love summer, 195 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,440 and high biscus are an important part of that. Let's 196 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,240 see how Stacey ties this in in Plants on Trial. 197 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,679 That's next here on the Gardening Simplified Ship. 198 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 2: Beautify your home and community with proven Winner's color Choice 199 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,799 shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique varieties 200 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,840 to choose from. There's a flowering shrubber evergreen for every 201 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:34,960 taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive white 202 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,840 container your local garden center or learn more at proven 203 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:43,519 Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome 204 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,200 back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are devoting 205 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:52,399 this episode to the marvelous, although mystifying high Biscus. A 206 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,159 great plant, a great genus of plants with all sorts 207 00:11:55,159 --> 00:11:59,440 of interesting members. Much to my surprise, one of my 208 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,440 favorite trees is in the malvasy or, depending on if 209 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,120 you're a lumper or splitter, if you believe that plants 210 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,120 that are related should be all lumped together in one 211 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,799 big category, are split out into lots of separate categories. 212 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,679 It has formerly been in the Malvasi or mallow family, 213 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,639 which we're discussing today. Linden, really, yes, you know I 214 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:19,960 could see that, could you? 215 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,879 Speaker 1: Yeah? I can see that. And I've never been called 216 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:24,200 a lumper or a splitter. 217 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, Linden, trees are believed to see in the 218 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:33,000 malvasy and they're gonna be flowering soon. And I love 219 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:38,240 nothing more than a warm night in June when the 220 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:39,039 lindens are in. 221 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: Flour and they're buzzing, it is. 222 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: Just the most magical experience. I absolutely adore the fragrance. 223 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:47,919 I wish I could bottle it and smell it anytime 224 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:50,000 I want. But yeah, in the malvasi and which is 225 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:54,480 so strange because obviously most of the hibiscus are not trees. 226 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:57,639 Can be quite large plants, but not trees, and they're 227 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,639 rarely fragrant, right, and Linden is extremely fragrance. So a 228 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,720 very interesting plant family. But we're not going to get 229 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,080 too science, yaya. We are horticulturists, so we're giving you 230 00:13:08,159 --> 00:13:11,440 the advice and information you need to get the hibiscus 231 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,919 that you want, do what you want with it, and 232 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,840 of course enjoy it at its best. So that's why 233 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:21,799 today's Plants on Trial here is devoted exclusively to the 234 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,879 many proven matter's color choice roses of Sharon. Now, to 235 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,440 my eternal shame. When I first started in this job 236 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,399 fifteen years ago, you know, I was coming from New 237 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:39,039 York City, and in New York City, hibiscus are you know, 238 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,279 I don't think they quite rise to the level of 239 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,159 being called invasive rosa Sharon. They don't rise to the 240 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,559 level of being called invasive, but they are quite aggressive, 241 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,279 and you know, people have them and in the seeds 242 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:57,360 of rows of Sharon have a little kind of winged structure, 243 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,519 kind of feathery winged structure on them allows them to 244 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,159 drift on the wind, not long distances, because they're still 245 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:05,559 a fairly heavy seed, but they can fly a little bit, 246 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,559 and they can grow in sidewalk cracks and next to 247 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:12,840 buildings and vacant lots and all of this. So all 248 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:14,919 of that, you know, all of these different roses of 249 00:14:14,919 --> 00:14:18,480 Sharon in New York crossing and just getting muddier and 250 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,039 muddier and uglier and uglier, you know, not good flower color. 251 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,039 And I was just like, ew, why do we offer 252 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,440 Rosa Sharon, Because in my head, Rosa Sharon was just 253 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:32,320 these you know, kind of ugly, weedy plants that just 254 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,360 grew up in vacant lots. And you know, my boss 255 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,240 at the time, Tim Wood, who has been our new 256 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,240 plant development manager for many years, was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, 257 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,679 all roses of Sharon are very different. And he made 258 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,240 a very uh, you know, pointed effort to tell me 259 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:51,799 that one of the most things that he prioritizes in 260 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,559 selecting roses of Sharon for proof and winner's color choice 261 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:57,240 is the habit. Okay, Now, most people when they think 262 00:14:57,279 --> 00:14:59,240 of a Rosa Sharon, they're just thinking of flowers, and 263 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:01,480 for good reason. And there are few plants that flower 264 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:05,240 as much as rows of Sharon in a summer. Yeah, 265 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:08,960 I mean, absolutely covered in flowers and just so easy 266 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:10,759 to grow. I mean, there's like they're foolproof. You know. 267 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:13,519 Of course people love hydrangees, but they get confused about hydrangeess. 268 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,200 Do I prune this? Do I not? Is it gonna bloom? 269 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,600 Is it not? I mean a Rosa Sharon. You plant 270 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:22,279 that thing. You've got flowers every summer, tons of them, 271 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,559 and you know there's really nothing to you know, debate about. 272 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,799 But so he has really prioritized the habit. And it 273 00:15:29,919 --> 00:15:32,399 is true if you drive around on a summer afternoon 274 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,600 when the roses of Sharon are in bloom, and you're 275 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,519 gonna see them, especially here in Michigan, you see them 276 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:39,080 all over the place, you will see that those older 277 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:42,000 varieties they do kind of have an ugly habit, yea. 278 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,120 You know, they don't have an elegance or a grace 279 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:47,840 to them. The way that Tim described it to me 280 00:15:47,879 --> 00:15:49,960 at the time was that they were clubby. So you 281 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,679 think about the proverbial like caveman club that's all like lumpy, 282 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:57,320 and that's kind of what they look like. And really, 283 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,360 no one had prioritized an elegant that actually accentuates your 284 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,159 landscape and not just like, oh, there's that weird, clumpy 285 00:16:04,159 --> 00:16:08,039 thing flowering. So habit has been a very very crucial 286 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,399 part of his selection process as well as the breeders 287 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:14,159 that we work with. We already know because the breeders 288 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:16,799 that we work with prioritize a nice habit that we're 289 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,360 going to be getting good habits in the plants that 290 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:21,919 we then evaluate from these breeders, and it. 291 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:24,559 Speaker 1: Shows stacey and the varieties that are available. 292 00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: And then the other factor is flower color. Now, you know, 293 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,759 even the worst Rosa Sharon is still pretty nice. You know, 294 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,440 it's colorful and a nice time of the year when 295 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,200 it's flowering. But they do tend to get quite muddy. 296 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,679 They kind of always have this, at least conventional varieties, 297 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:44,639 just this sort of muddy undertone that just keeps the 298 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:48,440 colors from being bright and clear and crisp and exactly 299 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,559 what they are, like bright pink or bright purple, and 300 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:54,639 so we've really prioritized also working with breeders who value 301 00:16:54,679 --> 00:16:58,960 these clear, bright, true colors, and those are our two 302 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,639 main factors. And by prioritizing those, over the many years 303 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:05,119 that we have been selecting and introducing roses of Sharon, 304 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,119 we have created quite a collection. And I'm going to 305 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,640 go over this real quick and tell you kind of 306 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,160 which is which, so you can pick the right rows 307 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,880 of Sharon for your purposes and what you want. So 308 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,160 Number one guy who's kind of out there on his 309 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,079 own a Zuri blue satin rows of Sharon one of 310 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:27,000 our all time best sellers. It is probably the truest 311 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,799 blue on the market, and we all know everybody loves blue. Now, 312 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:33,400 I will say when this plant is in bud, when 313 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,839 those buds stuck starts to come out, because the way 314 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,319 all hibiscus start to bloom, you know they're a bud, 315 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,119 and then they show a little color and then they 316 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,200 kind of get to this lipstick stage where there's like 317 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:45,200 a lot of color showing, and then the next day 318 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,240 they open and then they fall off after that one 319 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:51,160 day that they're open. So when a Zuri blue Satin 320 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,240 is in the bud and lipstick stage. It is a 321 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,880 true cobalt blue. I've really never seen anything like it. 322 00:17:57,279 --> 00:17:59,119 When the flower opens, it does kind of go to 323 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,640 more of a blue lege avender color. But if you 324 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,519 want true blue, this is one of the closest you're 325 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:06,880 going to get. And best of all I know. If 326 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,680 people do have one complain about Rosa Sharon, it's that 327 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,359 they seed all over the place, as I was explaining 328 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,599 from my experience in the city, and this is sterile. 329 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,319 It does not set seeds. So this is a plant 330 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:22,839 that we cannot supply enough of. People love it. So 331 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:24,799 if you see a Missouri blue Satin and this is 332 00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:28,079 sounding good to you, snap that up. It's actually from 333 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,920 the same plant breeder as bobo Hydrangea. Another of our 334 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,440 best sellers, okay, number two is the Chiffon series, now 335 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,200 also our best sellers. People cannot resist these. They are 336 00:18:39,279 --> 00:18:42,839 characterized by double flowers, so they have the traditional kind 337 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,920 of satellite dish shape of a regular Rosa Sharon, and 338 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,119 then in the center where there would be that column 339 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,000 full of pollen and salmon's and all of that, a 340 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:54,880 lot of that has been transformed into more petals, so 341 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,440 it has like a powder puff inside it. Now, this 342 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:02,119 series Chiffon was developed by doctor Roderick Woods, and I 343 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,279 think I've probably talked about him before, but I just 344 00:19:05,319 --> 00:19:08,559 cannot even possibly talk about Hibiscus without mentioning doctor Woods, 345 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:13,079 because he is incredible. So he was a professor at 346 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,880 Cambridge University, a professor of physiology. He was instrumental in 347 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:23,680 developing the Universal Safety Code for motorcycle gear. So all 348 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,480 of his research led to exactly how the gear should 349 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:31,000 be structured and built to best protect motorcyclists and reduce 350 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:34,160 injury and of course death. And so his work has 351 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,920 saved countless lives, reduced countless injuries. And when he retired 352 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,279 from Cambridge University he became a full time rosa Sharon Breeder. 353 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:43,079 Speaker 1: Wow. 354 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,759 Speaker 2: And I'm sure if you're watching us on YouTube, you're 355 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,480 seeing amazing photos of doctor Woods right now. So if 356 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,319 you're not, please do tune in because you do not 357 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,279 want to miss this guy. He takes his work very 358 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:55,559 seriously in a fun way, because you'll see pictures of 359 00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:58,839 him with hibiscus and his beard, a vest that he 360 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,960 made of hibiscus flower. He just clearly loves his work, 361 00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:06,319 so I love that the Hibiscus Cheffon series is so 362 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,160 delicate and so beautiful, but also kind of has this 363 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:12,519 like motorcycle edge, So a great testament if you have 364 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:16,279 a motorcyclist in your life that you love. Next is 365 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:17,519 the Paraplu series. 366 00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: Nowe I love this one. 367 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: I do too. This one comes to us from France. 368 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,519 Mostly there is a one of Doctor Woods's variety in 369 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:27,160 the Paraplu series. Now, what characterizes the Paraplu series is 370 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,079 again those elegant habits, but most importantly, huge flowers. There 371 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,039 are no roses of Sharon on the market that have 372 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,839 flowers anywhere near the size of the Paraplu series. So 373 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,400 if big flowers that nobody can avoid is your goal, 374 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:44,880 Paraplue is for you. I will say, I've seen, you know, 375 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,279 all of these plants in real life through my time here, 376 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,480 and I think that I could safely say that Paraplue 377 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:55,279 Violet is my favorite, personal favorite of all of our 378 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,480 roses of shared in the line. And it's a color 379 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,839 that you just have to see to believe. It just 380 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,359 kind of glows in the landscape. It's you know, I 381 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,480 could describe it and you say, oh, viow that sounds nice. 382 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,160 You'll see pictures of it, you go, oh, that's pretty, 383 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:10,119 but when you actually see it in your garden and 384 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,400 see it in the light, it's it's really something else, 385 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:16,720 just absolutely gorgeous. And paraplue is the Dutch word for umbrella, 386 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,200 and so we named it so because of those big flowers. 387 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,160 You could almost use them as numbrella if you have 388 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,880 a small head, or at least wear them is a 389 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,480 fun hat. So really beautiful. And then we of course 390 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:32,720 have the pillars, which you mentioned. So the pillars also 391 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:36,240 came to us from the Netherlands and they are space 392 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:41,079 saving narrow columnar habits. Purple pillar is one of our 393 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,519 best sellers. You can also get white or red, which 394 00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:46,440 they're in the roses of share and there's no true 395 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,000 red like you're gonna see in the tropical hibiscus. It's 396 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,240 more of a carminy pink red, but still quite a 397 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:52,880 nice color. 398 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: So I love mine in my landscape. And by the way, 399 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,440 I'm pulling for the Netherlands in the World Cup. Oh 400 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,759 I i'd throw that. Good to know. 401 00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:03,839 Speaker 2: And then finally another outlier we're ending with here, and 402 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,440 that is sugar tip rows of Sharon. And this is 403 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,480 a very cool plant. It is variegated foliage, which is 404 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:13,519 really nice because you know rosa Sharon comes out and spring, 405 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:15,200 you kind of got a long waist to wait until 406 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,759 it starts to flower. So this has really interesting variegated foliage. 407 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,200 And then the flowers come out. They're the most beautiful, 408 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,519 pure pink, and they're fully double. They're really like a 409 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:29,000 tight little powder puff and also completely sterile, so you 410 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:32,359 do not have to worry about sugar tip sewing itself 411 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,759 all over and making a maintenance nightmare for you. I 412 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:36,440 was going to talk about how to grow Rose of Sharon, 413 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,359 but I just got too excited about talking about all 414 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,480 of our beautiful varieties. 415 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: Let's get to that in a segment four. 416 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got plenty more time to talk about that. 417 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,880 So for the moment, we're gonna take a break. When 418 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,519 we come back, we'll open up the mail eggs, So 419 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:56,759 please stay tuned. 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Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome 428 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:27,720 back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where it is our 429 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,319 pleasure to help you with your garden questions, quandaries and 430 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:34,720 conundrums and of course celebrations, because you know it's the 431 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:39,200 time for garden celebrations. And I hear you've had quite 432 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,519 a couple of celebrations in your yard. 433 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll drop this into the mail bag. So hydranges 434 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,319 on a standard, yes, so tree form, tree form. I've 435 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,279 seen birds love them. So I have two of them. 436 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,920 One of them has cardinals that have created a nest 437 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:59,480 with eggs you can see the pictures here on YouTube, 438 00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:02,799 and and an other a robin's nest. And it has 439 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,440 just been fun watching these birds. 440 00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:06,839 Speaker 2: Must be noisy in your yard. 441 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: It's noisy, but they love the high ranges. 442 00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,319 Speaker 2: Let me tell you know, that's interesting because people don't 443 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,279 really realize how crucial shrubs in general, whether they're a 444 00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:21,160 tree formers, shrubs or can be to housing birds because 445 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,720 you know, compared to trees, very often shrubs have narrower 446 00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:28,400 branching angles, which can provide a more secure place for 447 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,000 them to build their nests. Of course, it's good to 448 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,799 have the diversity, you know, so you can get different 449 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:35,480 types of birds. But yeah, usually, you know, having those 450 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:39,920 tighter branches is a good thing. And I guess they 451 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,680 also probably like that it's a standard so they don't 452 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,799 have to worry about, you know, any cat or something 453 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:48,119 sneaking up on them climbing up. The trunk got wide 454 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,799 open there, so they got like a full alert perimeter 455 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,039 to keep their babies safe. So lucky you, you've been 456 00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:59,440 truly blessed in this spring. So if you have a 457 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:01,039 question for us, you can reach out to us at 458 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,599 Gardening Simplified on air dot com. You can also leave 459 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,799 a comment on YouTube. We answer all of those questions 460 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:10,480 that you leave for us there. So what do we 461 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:11,200 got in the mailbag? 462 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: Stacey? A question you've probably been asked off And Emily 463 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,079 writes to us my condo association twenty five Viburnum shrubs. 464 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,480 The leaves are being eaten for the third year in 465 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:24,119 a row. The leaves on some of our viburnums are 466 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,920 completely eaten. Now by the end of May, what do 467 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,039 you suggest to do with the shrubs? Should we cut 468 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:31,920 them down? Will they come back? Should we plan for 469 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,920 a replacement? 470 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:36,279 Speaker 2: Right, so you have Emily, I don't even need to 471 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:38,279 see a picture of it, although you did send pictures. 472 00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:44,720 But you have the viburnum leaf beetle. And these are 473 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,720 very common and widespread, and the damage that they cause 474 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,119 is truly staggering. You know, just one single plant can 475 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,160 be gone in almost no time. But they have a 476 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:00,119 very distinctive kind of feeding pattern, and it's damaging. As 477 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,759 they are, they are actually surprisingly well easier said than done, 478 00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:10,279 relatively easy to manage without chemicals. But you're not going 479 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,720 to do that now, So try to suffer through the 480 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:16,400 rest of the summer with your plans not looking their 481 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:19,720 very best. And then once the foliage drops in fall, 482 00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:22,079 you're going to go out there and you're going to 483 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,880 look for their very distinctive egg laying sites. And they 484 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,200 are distinctive. So what the adult beetles do is they 485 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,839 excavate a little tiny hole into the stem of the 486 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,880 viburnum lay their egg in there, and then they take 487 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,160 that stuff that they excavated and mix it with spit 488 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,599 and dirt and patch that hole back up. So it 489 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,319 creates this very distinctive line of egg laying sites that 490 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,839 are very easy to recognize in fall or winter when 491 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,720 the foliage is off the planet. Don't even bother looking 492 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:56,079 for them now, it'll be too difficult. I mean, you 493 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,880 can if you want, but much much easier in the 494 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,480 fall and winter. And then you just snip those right 495 00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:05,079 out and throw them away. Don't compost them, don't send 496 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,519 them to the dump. Please put these in a bag 497 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,400 and tie it up and send it far away and 498 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,519 bury it deep in the ground so they aren't you 499 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,599 aren't continuing to spread it. The cool thing, too, is 500 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,000 that these are going to be concentrated primarily on the 501 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:22,079 upper growth, so you don't have to like try looking 502 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,720 all over these because very often it's very large viburnums 503 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,200 that this happens too, So you don't have to, you know, 504 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,240 go on a wild goose chase all over your plant 505 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,400 looking for these egg laing sites. They are going to 506 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,519 be concentrated primarily, you know, in those upper tips of 507 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:37,799 the plant, and you can just snip those right out, 508 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,559 you will most likely be cutting away any flowers that 509 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,799 the plant had. But the important thing is you will 510 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:47,480 be massively disrupting the life cycle of these paths which 511 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,920 are clearly very very well established now. And if you 512 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,079 keep letting them, you know, perpetuate this life cycle. It's 513 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,799 just going to get worse and worse until they actually 514 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,799 kill the viburnums and then have to move on because 515 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,920 they actually put themselves out of house and home. 516 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,039 Speaker 1: And it's important to note, Stacey, that the damage in 517 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,240 spring in May is being done by the larvae that 518 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,960 have hatched from those eggs. Now, what about my favorite 519 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,079 Korean spice bush Carle's here. 520 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 2: Right, So there are also resistant viburnums. So that's a 521 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,960 good strategy to do if you have viburnums that are 522 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,839 already being damaged. But if you are adding new viburnums, 523 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,400 you definitely want to look for the Asian species, So 524 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,119 Korean spice is a great option. Any of them that 525 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,240 are native to Asia are resistant because they actually developed 526 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:37,359 where the vibernum leaf beetle did. This is an invasive 527 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,559 pest our. Native American viburnums are have no defenses as 528 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:46,480 well as the Europeans, so European cranberry bush, American cranberry bush, 529 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,240 and aeroid viburnum viburnum and tatum are the most damage. 530 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,559 They are how most preferenced food sources for the viburnum 531 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,480 leaf beetles. So if you're adding a new one and 532 00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,440 you know VLB is active in your area, look for 533 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,960 one of those distant varieties. But if you do already 534 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,079 have viburnams that are being eaten, just make sure that 535 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,640 you spend some time in winter just you know. Adriana 536 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,720 will put some pictures up in the YouTube version, but 537 00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:11,720 you can also just you know, do an image search 538 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,000 and there is no mistaking the egg laying sites of 539 00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:19,119 those beetles, so pretty easy to manage, and to do 540 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,079 so without chemicals. So I don't know, they're gross and 541 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,640 they cause a lot of damage, but at least there's 542 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,000 an easy solution here. 543 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: You got it, Claudias. These cut plants are growing in 544 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:33,200 a shady area and every year are invaded by aphids. 545 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,599 Should I try to get rid of the aphids or 546 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,200 leave them? 547 00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: Be? 548 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: Thank you and Stacy. I see here that the plant 549 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,519 is a Heliopsis. Yes, and if that's in the shade. 550 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,720 Doesn't that create some of the prime I mean, this 551 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,079 plant really loves sun. 552 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,279 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so they so it is a sun loving plant. 553 00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:54,759 But I have to tell you, I don't know that 554 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,559 I have ever seen Heliopsis growing without aphids. Yeah, I know, 555 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:04,319 that's sure really Yeah, so yeah, I'm sure that the 556 00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:06,640 shade is adding to it because that stresses the plant, 557 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,000 you know, compared to growing in the sun like they want. 558 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,960 But my neighbors across the street have a huge stand 559 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,039 of it in full sun and they are just all 560 00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,720 over that as well. I don't know what it is 561 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,880 about this plant specifically and aphids, but they're like peanut 562 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,839 butter and jelly or something. 563 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,599 Speaker 1: No, because it doesn't seem that sweet to me. 564 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't have like kind of all the 565 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,960 classic features that make a plant susceptible to aphids. Yet 566 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,920 they love this plant. Now, normally they don't actually cause 567 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,200 that much damage. You know, you can have them on 568 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,200 your plant and yeah, they can look kind of gross, 569 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,920 but they don't usually influence the flowering. I ignore yeah, 570 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,480 I mean I definitely ignore them too. Now, I will 571 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,599 say my neighbors that I was just referencing who had 572 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,720 them in the full sun. One year in their yard 573 00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,720 it did get so bad that they turned black. So 574 00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:00,119 what can happen basically, is that the aphids they're sucking 575 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,079 the juices out of the plant. They're excreting them all 576 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:06,759 over the you know, the foliage as they feed, because 577 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:08,599 they don't really wander very far. They just kind of 578 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,880 hunker down and start, you know, sucking the juices out 579 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,039 of your plant, and mold can grow on that excrement 580 00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:17,200 and turn the whole plant black. And that's gross. 581 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gross. 582 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: Even if the plant goes onto flour, you're just kind 583 00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:24,960 of like you. So my recommendation to manage these again, 584 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,720 like the viburnum leaf feed a great news. You do 585 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,799 not need to spray anything. I would at this point, 586 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,039 you know, here we are early June, I would just 587 00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:34,839 trim them back. I would cut back the growth where 588 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,200 the aphids are. I would straight up throw that away again, 589 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:40,319 just put it in a garbage a bag and throw 590 00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:44,240 it in the trash, don't compost it, and the plant 591 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,359 will be delayed in its flowering a little bit, but 592 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,799 it will still flower. And then that way you don't 593 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:51,559 have to mess with anything. And again, if you're kind 594 00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,559 of breaking that life cycle of the aphids, you know, 595 00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:57,799 because they can overwinter in you know, the foliage that 596 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,359 falls and all of that. So by removing the bulk 597 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,519 of that population, you can help to again break that 598 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:09,839 pest cycle and have a less less of an issue 599 00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:12,279 in the coming years. That's exactly what happened to my neighbors. 600 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,160 I said, just cut these back, don't worry about the flowers. 601 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,799 You will go get more flowers in a couple of weeks, 602 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,519 but let's just get these things out of here. So 603 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,720 it's a little bit of a sacrifice, but it's way 604 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:26,880 easier than spraying or anything like that. And if you 605 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,519 don't like the aphids, if you can't ignore them like 606 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,599 reckn I do, then this is your solution. 607 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: And Claudia is right. Claudia refers to them as cut plants. 608 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:41,480 And I like growing them simply because I love cutting 609 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,240 the flowers for bouquets. 610 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: Yeah summer, and they bloom so much. I mean, they flower, 611 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,680 They're like one of the longest blooming plants. I do 612 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,119 love them. I think that they're worth growing despite the 613 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:55,119 fact that they are extremely prone to aphids. But again, 614 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,680 it's not you know, some things like get aphids and 615 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,000 they get all like distorted and weird, sick looking. 616 00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,119 Speaker 1: Which brings up a point I consider today we're talking 617 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,240 about hibiscus. I consider the tropical highbiscus to be an 618 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:10,200 aphid magnet. 619 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,759 Speaker 2: Now that I have never grown one in my garden, 620 00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:17,799 but that doesn't surprise me. No, that doesn't surprise me, because, 621 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:21,720 especially in the garden center situation, you know one of 622 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,759 the things that. 623 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,039 Speaker 1: To watch and monitor them. 624 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:29,119 Speaker 2: Closely well, and you know they are tropical hibiscus. Everyone 625 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:30,920 wants a lot of flowers from them, so the growers 626 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,559 are really pumping them full of fertilizer and water and 627 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,960 just trying to get that big, beefy, robust plant. And yeah, 628 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,359 when you're injecting all of that resources into them, it 629 00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,039 does make soft growth that makes them much more susceptible. 630 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,640 But you know, often I would say things that are 631 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,000 maybe problematic in a nursery or garden center situation, once 632 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:54,839 you get them home, it's a totally different thing. But yeah, 633 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,200 it's true any but again, some plants, like the Heliopsis, 634 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,839 they just get a fids. You can be doing every 635 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,519 single thing right and they're just covered in them. So 636 00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:05,880 it's one of the great mysteries of the world. If 637 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,559 you know why, please leave a comment. I would really 638 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,280 love to hear it. I'm very curious myself. We're going 639 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,119 to take a little break and when we come back, 640 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,239 we're going to continue our talk on all types of 641 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:26,320 high biscus, So please stay tuned. Thanks for listening to 642 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,280 the Gardening Simplified Podcast, brought to you by Proven Winners 643 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,599 Color Choice Shrubs. Our award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens 644 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,760 are trialed and tested by experts with your success in mind. 645 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,280 Learn more at Proven Winners color Choice dot com. 646 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. As today we 647 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,920 talk about high biscus Stacey. I mentioned it in the 648 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,480 first segment, but I do have to tell you that 649 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:56,119 Hollywood hibiscus as a tropical high biscus. I love those plants, 650 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,800 the colors of the blooms, but one of the things 651 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,239 that really appeals to me about Hollywood hibiscus is the foliage. 652 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,400 It just seems to be darker and glossy and green 653 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,679 compared to well, some of the high biscus I've handled 654 00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:13,239 in a garden center setting. 655 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really interesting observation, especially when I was 656 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,639 talking about the roses of Sharon in our line. The 657 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:23,679 foliage of hibiscus is not something that people typically select for. 658 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,199 They're so fixated on, you know, getting wacky colors in 659 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,679 the flowers or you know this, that or the other. 660 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,760 And it's very important, I think, especially for those of 661 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,440 us who grow tropical hibiscus as a container plant or 662 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,960 summer color, to have foliage that's again dark and glossy 663 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,800 and dark green and looks really great. Now. One thing 664 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,840 that's interesting about the Hollywood hibiscus, and we talked a 665 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,079 little b about this last week, we had a fertilizer show, 666 00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:52,119 and I talked about hibiscus roses of Sharon being one 667 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,599 of the higher fertilizer needs plants. And it's a plant 668 00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:58,000 that you might not even realize needs fertilizer until you 669 00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,679 fertilize it, and you're like, whoa, that foliage looks kind 670 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:04,199 of sicky and yellow. So you would be tempted then 671 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,280 to you know, go crazy fertilizing Hollywood hibiscus, thinking, Hey, 672 00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:11,000 if I pump this thing full of fertilizers, it's going 673 00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:12,920 to give me so many flowers and it's going to 674 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,519 do great. But they actually and This is true of 675 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:18,000 all tropical hibiscus. So whether you have a Hollywood hibiscus 676 00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:23,400 or another one, they're quite sensitive to high phosphorus in 677 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,079 the fertilizer and they will actually stop flowering. And it 678 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:32,840 can induce a nutrient deficiency, having so much phosphorus that 679 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,280 it can't metabolize other nutrients. It is interesting because you 680 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,960 would think that a blossom booster fertilizer, which you know 681 00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:42,280 is one that's designed to have more flowers. You'd think 682 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,119 that would be exactly what you would want for a 683 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,280 tropical hibiscus, and you need to do the opposite. This 684 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,679 isn't our tags. So if you bought a Hollywood hibiscus, 685 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,719 that information is there for you. But yeah, you do 686 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,599 not want to use a blossom booster on your tropical hibiscus. 687 00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:58,800 And I would say, then by extension any of your 688 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,480 hibiscus that you're just use something with low phosphorus. 689 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: Okay, now this past a matter. As a matter of fact, 690 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,239 this past week, because I knew we were going to 691 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,880 be doing the show, I walked into my kitchen, I 692 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,920 grabbed a tape measure and I measured a dinner plate. Okay, 693 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,159 just to check. Most people would be able to tell 694 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,480 me it's ten inches, but it was ten inches. But 695 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,159 the point here is, Stacy, both you and I love 696 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,880 summarific perennial high biscuits, and we have to touch on 697 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,519 that for a moment because when they say you're going 698 00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,840 to get eight to ten inch dinner plate blossoms on 699 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,719 these plants, you're going to get that. And then with 700 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,320 all the great new cultivars available, including the Summerific well 701 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:52,000 like Holy Grail with really dark near black leaves kind 702 00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:57,000 of oval shaped. I love that black color, the black 703 00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:02,079 foliage with these perennial high And when we did the 704 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:06,519 show on backdrops in the landscape, I showed a black 705 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,639 backdrop in my landscape and when the pink summerrific high 706 00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:15,599 biscus blooms, boy that it just pops with that background. 707 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,960 So this is a plant that has so many wonderful 708 00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:25,280 qualities to it, including the fact that they're native plants. 709 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they are North American natives. So this 710 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,079 is the high Biscus moschuotos that we were referencing at 711 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:35,239 the beginning of the show. And yet if you see 712 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,480 although of course, like many things, if you see Hibiscus 713 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,360 mashootos in nature, you'd probably be like, that's it. Because 714 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,039 of course, as we find those plants and select them 715 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:48,400 and try to make them something more like people would 716 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,079 want in their garden, then we get bigger flowers, we 717 00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:53,960 get brighter colors, we get more flowers than you would see. 718 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,000 But it's still really interesting to kind of have that 719 00:38:56,039 --> 00:39:01,239 connection of the plants and just have that extra sort 720 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,320 of ornamental value. And I do think that the foliage 721 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,039 on the summarific hibiscus is just such a nice strait 722 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,519 because much like the Rosa sharon, you're going to be 723 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:13,079 spending a lot of the season without flowers, so being 724 00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:15,280 able to have attract to foliage. You know, from May 725 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,920 June July. My summer effics usually start flowering around like 726 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,239 the last week of July here in Michigan, depending on 727 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,639 our weather, So that's like a good three months where 728 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:26,840 you've only got foliage. And so that attractive, glossy, sometimes 729 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,519 even colorful foliage is really nice. And right now, you know, 730 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:33,199 my baptizia are blooming next to them, so it's kind 731 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,199 of a nice counterpart to have the maroon foliage of 732 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:41,400 the summerrifics with the yellow flowers of the Baptizia and 733 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,079 then of course, yeah, once those things start blooming, then 734 00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:45,239 you know, summer's here. 735 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,159 Speaker 1: Wow. And I love how they emerge out of the 736 00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:53,480 ground and if they're getting proper sunlight and water, how 737 00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:54,239 fast they grow. 738 00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 2: They grow so fast. Yeah, and it's so you know, 739 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,679 it's one of those just really odd things to see 740 00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,519 this plant that is truly one of the last perennials 741 00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:05,199 to emerge in the landscape. And it comes out with 742 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,800 these teeny tiny little buds, you know, from the base 743 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,360 and you're like okay, and then like you turn around 744 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,679 and they're a foot tall. It just it grows so quickly, 745 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:17,960 and that's those thick roots. Now, we do have a 746 00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:23,639 cousin of Hibiscus muschudos that is also native to North America, 747 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,840 a little less common to Fine as a garden plant, 748 00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:30,880 but that is Hibiscus coccinius. Yes, and wow, you know, 749 00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:33,360 I have to say, I do love my summarifics, but 750 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,119 there is a part of me that's a little tempted 751 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:40,360 to replace them with native Hybiscus coccinius because this is 752 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,440 my kind of plant. Right. It's massive, it's like six 753 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,519 to eight feet tall, and it has this like wild 754 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:51,639 looking foliage, and the flowers are nothing like the summarific 755 00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:55,159 you know, where the Summarific are really developed to have 756 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,800 these overlapping petals that make a beautiful full circle. The 757 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,840 Hibiscus cocinius has these like, you know, rough flowers where 758 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,159 the petals are all separated, out of control, out of 759 00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:10,679 control huge and the swamps. Yeah, now that's my kind 760 00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:14,199 of my hesitation. It is native to swamps. Now. I 761 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:17,719 have been pleasantly surprised with the drought tolerance of the 762 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,480 sommarific Hibiscus. I mean I certainly would not. I mean 763 00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:23,840 I am basically growing them with no supplemental water, and 764 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,280 we've had very droughty summers. I'm sure they would be 765 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,039 much taller in my garden if they got a little 766 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,199 bit of supplemental water. So I don't know if I 767 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,639 tried a Hibiscus coccinius, if it would simply, you know, 768 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,199 stay smaller because it wasn't getting enough water, or if 769 00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:40,000 it would just be like, yeah, no, I'm not living here. 770 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,480 You keep me way too dry. I'm dead. But I 771 00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:50,800 have to say I love the wild, unrestrained exuberance of 772 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,920 Hibiscus cuccinius. 773 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,599 Speaker 1: I agree I agree. Well, let's get back now to 774 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:01,920 the Hibiscus syriacus or the althea as you were talking 775 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,639 about in Plants on Trial, Stacey, and I wanted to 776 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,920 mention that when it comes to rows of Sharon, it 777 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,599 is one of the most frequent questions I have had 778 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,280 through the years, especially as we get into the summertime. 779 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,159 So I see these large, overgrown plants where the stems 780 00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:25,199 at the base are naked and all the foliage is 781 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,159 at the top, the stems below aren't getting any light. 782 00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:32,119 I tell people to chop them back, but I still 783 00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:36,519 continuously see these plants out in the landscape like that. Stacy. 784 00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,440 I've never met a rows of Sharon that doesn't like 785 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:39,920 a pruning. 786 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 2: Shooters, you know, people tend not to prune them, but yeah, 787 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,239 especially if they're growing in less than ideal conditions, i e. Shade, 788 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,639 because though they can take some shade, and I'm sure 789 00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:52,719 we've got plenty of listeners right now going, Well, my 790 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,400 rose of Sharon's growing in a lot of shade and 791 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,800 it still flowers. They can, but I think plants in 792 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,400 shade are going to be a lot more likely to 793 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,800 give because floppyep these are fast growing plants by and large, 794 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,440 so a lot of times when you have a plant 795 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,360 that grows more quickly, you do have to do some 796 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,519 pruning on it to make sure that that growth which 797 00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:13,159 forms very quickly and doesn't hurt enough properly that it 798 00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:16,519 doesn't become floppy. So, you know, how you prune your 799 00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:18,639 rose of Sharon really depends on what you want your 800 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,159 rows of Sharon to do. You know, I have one 801 00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,920 in my garden right now that it was just with 802 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,599 the house. I don't know how old. It is probably 803 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:29,639 fifty plus years old, and we are kind of training 804 00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:32,400 it to go around the house. So my husband makes 805 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,320 some very deliberate pruning decisions and that helps to concentrate 806 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,119 the energy into fewer branches. If you were growing in 807 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,000 as a hedge, you might want to give it more 808 00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:42,639 of a hedge type of because I mean, I do 809 00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:45,000 think it makes a wonderful flowering hedge. 810 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: Which brings up the point the pillar high biscus. I 811 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,880 think is fabulous for creating a hedge. Now real quickly, 812 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,519 let me ask you der resistance on rows of sharon, 813 00:43:56,599 --> 00:44:00,440 hardiness for people who are in cold climates. These are 814 00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:02,440 two benefits, right, Oh? 815 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, So I will occasionally get a little tiny 816 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,599 bit of deer browsing on our Rosa Sharon, not enough 817 00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:13,199 to influence the flowers or anything like that, so I 818 00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:14,400 don't really let it bother me. 819 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,679 Speaker 1: Have you seen I haven't seen it. 820 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's it's not even a big deal. 821 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,719 So they are I would say, deer resistant, which is great. 822 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,280 And then yeah, so they are hardy to USDA Zone five, 823 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,840 So sorry to our cold climate friends, No, we still 824 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,880 don't have a hardy Rosa Sharon for you you. But 825 00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:33,400 the good news is that the summer effics are hardy 826 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,960 to USDA Zone four, so you are not hibiscusless. You 827 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,960 can still grow a hibiscus, just not Rosa Sharon. And 828 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,239 they're very heat tolerant all the way up to USDA 829 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,679 Zone nine, even USDA Zone ten, and they just you know, 830 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,039 they they're very versatile, easy to grow plants for any 831 00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,960 of those areas. And I think that's one of the 832 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,920 reasons why they're just so beloved, because they just have 833 00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:01,159 that summer vibe. But you know, like Hydrange's, which are 834 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:06,079 also beloved, they just don't have the you know, the 835 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:12,119 the the bloom anxiety that hydrangea can can can sometimes 836 00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,199 develop in people. They just don't let you down. 837 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:19,519 Speaker 1: Well, I love my pillar rows of Sharon or al thea. 838 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,360 And after our show last week, Stacey gave some really 839 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,320 great advice and I took her advice because I walked 840 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,719 into my landscape and I saw that my pillar high 841 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,440 biscus foliage was just kind of pale. It wasn't that 842 00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:37,320 dark green that I wanted. And I fertilized it. Ah, 843 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,760 So I'm hoping this all right anyhow, looking forward to 844 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,400 the heat of summer. I'm sorry. I love summer. I 845 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,079 love the heat of sorry, and so are your hibiscus Stacy. 846 00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:51,039 This has been fun. 847 00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 2: It has been fun. 848 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, and thank you Adriana. 849 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,960 Thanks to you for watching us on YouTube, listening to 850 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,079 the radio version of our show, or download loading the podcast. 851 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,639 Tell your friends and neighbors have a great week.