WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:01.040 This is a great content. 2 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:02.319 Where is it going? 3 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:03.799 We are recording? Yeah? 4 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:08.800 Are we right? Sorry? Okay, that's your list. 5 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:15.880 That was Claire. The kids are in the garden again, Claire, Claire, 6 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:23.839 where's my stick? Does anyone know somebody called Louis Louis Lure, 7 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:25.000 Louise Pollard. 8 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:26.559 I do I know Louise. 9 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:31.280 So Louise has supported us twice now on Kofi, which 10 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:32.840 is the thing on our website where you click a 11 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:34.679 button and you can give us a little bit of money. 12 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:37.079 So she's bought us basically to two pints. 13 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:43.000 Ah what. She's a good egg. She is a racing 14 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:48.079 photographer from up in Yorkshire and she was, amongst other things, 15 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:51.520 and I think she actually won the horse Race Writers 16 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:59.719 and Photographers Awards thing back at about War twelve thirteen 17 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:03.679 years years ago. She won Photographer of the Year. So 18 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.560 she's very very good. Yeah, I mean proper, proper photographer. 19 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:11.159 She did a particular particularly good photo of Frank Call 20 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:18.319 winning at York and no, Frank Call the greatest race 21 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:22.079 horse that ever drew breath. And anyway, she was good 22 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:25.680 friends with my now sadly late father in law who 23 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:29.560 was a racing journalist. And she's a good Egges, so 24 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:33.200 very much of a big thanks to Lou. 25 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:39.159 I googled her and it is I agree, very good. Yes, 26 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:48.840 particularly the studio style horses with dramatic backlighting, all all 27 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.959 low key lighting. It's always amazing. Love it. 28 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:56.439 Have you done that game that all photographers do when 29 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:58.439 they look up another photographer they've not heard of, and 30 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:01.799 they go, oh, yeah, they're quite good. Actually they're really good. 31 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.000 No, no, I don't really. I don't really get that 32 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.479 because everyone does a different like I do my thing, 33 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:12.039 and now I'm so far, so long in the tooth 34 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.639 with this. I'm just you know, I'm doing my thing. 35 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.719 That's exactly my thing. I mean, if you come from 36 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:22.240 my thing, I'll kill you. But no one else it's 37 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:22.960 doing my thing. 38 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:27.560 So it's all right, How would someone tread on your lawn? 39 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.199 Then if they were coming on, what would they do? 40 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:33.879 What would be a thing? Say? You're clearly plagiarizing me. 41 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:35.680 A baby can't do? 42 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.439 Is just seconds away from saying, putting ship in front 43 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:44.639 of the lens. And also the other secret I'll reveal 44 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:46.680 all you just put stuff in front of the lens. 45 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:53.240 You shoot very specifically with certain focal lengths on certain stories, 46 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:56.240 you shoot with specific focal length with lenses how zoomed 47 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:58.800 in you are. If you're shooting man and man and 48 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:02.840 gun and in the sky, shoot it very wide so 49 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.400 it looks very dramatic. That's what I do, Okay, if 50 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:11.080 I'm telling a story of a morning or an evening 51 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:15.319 flight of wild fowling, I will change the blue colors 52 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:21.680 in the images to be very a very kind of 53 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.919 cyan blue color rather than to be like a sort 54 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:28.639 of purply blue color or light blue. I'll make sure 55 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:31.639 that blue is very exaggerated in order to tell a 56 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:36.879 story so the viewer knows that it's morning, noon, night, 57 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:40.919 and then lower the lower the saturation of that stuff. 58 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:46.000 So yeah, you also crop off center for every subject 59 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:48.280 apart from dogs, and dogs are always center for you. 60 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:53.000 Yes, So I do that very intentionally for editorial for 61 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:55.280 the simple fact that they can put cover lines or 62 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:58.520 it could potentially make a cover. So I make sure 63 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:00.680 that the framing is never in the all because the 64 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:03.840 middle is middle. Doesn't then leave them space to put 65 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:04.919 because you've. 66 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:06.599 Got to have the barcode and that you know coming 67 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:08.800 up in this issue and for some reason, this magazine 68 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.639 is seventeen pounds twenty five down on the side somewhere. 69 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:14.080 Yeah, but you can get a subscription off and a 70 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:17.360 Hicck micro beanie and that will be one pound sixty 71 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:19.279 delivered to your door for two and a half years. 72 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:23.839 But then you can never leave because you can never 73 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.639 find out how on earth do I cancel this subscription? 74 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:29.680 And you actually have to ring a phone which is 75 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.319 made out of baker light, and there's some old lady 76 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:34.839 on there who makes the tea and gets hello, and 77 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:38.160 you go, I'd like to cancer my subscription to X 78 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.399 magazine and go, oh, you want to do what, dear, 79 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.439 And you go what? And they've got every single modern 80 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.759 technological thing other than that, I want to cancer my 81 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.560 subscription phone, which looks like something out Churchill's Bunker. 82 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:54.800 Yeah, I know that, stuck in a storeroom with a 83 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:56.759 note next to it saying, aware of the leopard. 84 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:01.600 I think you should all support magazines because it's a 85 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:05.399 great source of knowledge. 86 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.800 Unless I don't write for them anymore. And once I 87 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:09.879 started writing for them, the no one points subscribington. Really, 88 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.240 I mean, this's be perfectly honest. 89 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:15.279 Or if you're just pour like I am, well, yeah. 90 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.079 There is that. Yes, I know how you feel. Rachel Reeves. 91 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:20.920 So what have you done today today this week since 92 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.519 we last met mister nigas me. 93 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.879 Well, I've been actually doing some quite interesting things because 94 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.600 I've done a bit of shooting, because obviously this time 95 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:35.160 of year. Beat his day was superb fun and my 96 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:38.839 son Charlie had his head a day was stood with 97 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.519 a gun and he did very well and was safe 98 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.199 and he actually managed to kill the things that he 99 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:48.959 shot at cleanly, so that was great. I had a 100 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:53.839 superb little walked up day and some very wild country 101 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.920 up in North Norfolk with a few pals and that 102 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.399 was all quite exciting. And then the day job's been 103 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:04.759 relatively the day job so finished laying a hedge and 104 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:10.079 then we've now started planting a huge amount of hedges, 105 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:15.839 which is been one of those things where suddenly realize 106 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.120 that I don't use the same muscles for planting a 107 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.160 hedge as I did for laying a hedge. So I've 108 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:24.120 got a slightly sore buttocks at the moment because needed 109 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:27.920 to kick in my little spade and wiggle it the 110 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.959 regulation four times create a planting pocket. Shove that in, 111 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:35.279 you know, and you think you plant what plocket? 112 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:36.120 Did you just say? 113 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.160 Pluck it. Yeah, a pocket pocket. 114 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:42.519 There's not some weird technical term I've not come across yet. 115 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:45.879 Now, a planting pocket. So you make a planting pocket, 116 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.160 which I used a Dutch planting spade. So they've got 117 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:57.240 very long handle, quite a relatively narrow stainless steel, slightly 118 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:01.439 curved blade to it, and it goes through our clay 119 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.399 and it doesn't pick up the clay, and you sock 120 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:09.199 that in, kick it in with your heel, four wiggles 121 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:17.800 of the handle, bend down, put in the sapling, three 122 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:20.680 stamps with your feet, and onto the next. Because you're 123 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:26.079 planting five plants to the meter and staggered rows, and 124 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:30.000 we try and do about five hundred plants a day, 125 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:37.240 ah steaked and cane guarded as well. And yeah, you 126 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:40.639 feel it, but I'm in two weeks time, I'll probably 127 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.319 be able to do about seven hundred because my buttocks 128 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:44.839 will have reminded me what I'm going to do. 129 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.680 Tree planting is a weird one. It's such a workout, 130 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.759 but it's also it's more of a mental game after 131 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:55.360 a certain point because it's so tedious. Yeah, and yes, 132 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.000 but you do just have to look back along the 133 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.399 line and see what you did. I've got a gig 134 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.279 once doing tree planting on a slope that was so 135 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:04.959 steep we had to be roped up, which is why 136 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:06.639 I was doing it. Was sort of doing rope access 137 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:09.040 doing tree planting. At the same time I was swinging 138 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:10.959 around with a bag of trees between my legs, which 139 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.279 was that we've got about two hundred done per day. 140 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.319 But that was one of these ecological mitigation things where 141 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:19.399 they have to plant some trees because they've ripped a 142 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:20.759 load out to put a power line in. 143 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:23.879 Yeah, oh, for goodness sake, Yes, mitigation. 144 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:28.480 Like we were talking about the other week, there's a 145 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.680 big line of trees all planted down by the yard 146 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:37.120 and they're all dying. And I don't think anyone actually 147 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.039 cares that they're all dying. They've put them in, got 148 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:41.320 the grant funding. 149 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.039 A lot of the that's once they're planted in the ground, 150 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.240 that the invoices are done for a lot of projects. 151 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:48.639 That's as much as they care about. 152 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.159 Well, as Harry was saying when he came on, you know, 153 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:56.960 he's saying that apparently that's now being turned over. But 154 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:00.240 I had to go and write mission statements and and 155 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.960 risk assessments and all sorts of stuff for a job 156 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:08.720 with a very very very large landowner in the UK 157 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:12.679 to go and do tree and hedge planting with them. 158 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.120 And one of the things that I absolutely emphasized was 159 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:21.279 the fact that we want to go and do proper stuff. 160 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:23.120 I wanted to see this thing that I've made my 161 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:28.120 buttocks saw in planting actually become a hedge and or 162 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.720 a tree. So yeah, I don't really want to go 163 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:34.399 and mess around with that anyway. Listen enough about hedges. 164 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.639 Make sure you've never thought so you'd hear me say, Richard, 165 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:39.279 what have you been doing this week? 166 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:41.960 I'm not entirely sure what day it is, because I've 167 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.679 been so flat out doing a million different things. Somebody 168 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:46.879 described me the other day as a rural del boy 169 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:48.519 because I don't seem to have a sort of a 170 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:51.519 defined job, but I just keep wheeling and dealing and 171 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:55.039 getting from one thing to the next. I just even today, 172 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:57.600 I've had one of those days where I've got ten 173 00:09:57.600 --> 00:09:59.120 minutes to do this thing, and then I've got to 174 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:00.919 go straight out and do this thing. Well, we shall 175 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:02.799 only take an hour, and now it's taken me two hours, 176 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:04.159 and now I'm back late, and now I've got to 177 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:05.399 go and do this, and I've got to meet this 178 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.919 other person. And that's been a great conversation that's led 179 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:09.519 to five other things, but I still haven't done the 180 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:12.639 other thing. And it's just like this time of year 181 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:15.159 where everyone's suddenly getting back into the swing of things 182 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.120 after Christmas and there's loads of stuff happening. But also 183 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.840 now I'm thinking I've got no bloody time to do anything. 184 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.519 So one of my highlights of today was going over 185 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.159 to see my mate Hugh over at Petrovellin Farm on 186 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:30.519 the other side of the valley. Now, Hugh is our 187 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:34.360 main source of milk, cheese, and beef, all from the 188 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:35.840 same animal a lot of the time. 189 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.759 I think we've heard about Hugh before, haven't we. You've 190 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:40.080 seen the raw milk guy. 191 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:44.919 This is going to ruin his advertising segment because he's 192 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.080 just started doing his own yogurt as well now and 193 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.320 making his own yogurt. So you go to this little 194 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.879 fridge in an old horse box, an old Felwell style 195 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:57.440 single horse pony horsebox in the yard, and go in 196 00:10:57.440 --> 00:10:59.200 there and then the fridge there. He's got this milk 197 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:01.080 and he's got his yogurt. And now he's doing pots 198 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:04.320 of whey as well. So in fact, I've recorded a 199 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:06.320 little segment from him now which we'll play in the 200 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:10.159 actual episode that says why he's doing the yogurt. 201 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.200 So for the first time in about three years, I've 202 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.919 actually got a bit of milk left over that I'm 203 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:20.200 not selling. So I've experimented with making yogurt because I 204 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.960 can do it without spying extra equipment and trying to 205 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.320 get more people to come and buy directly from the farm. Really, 206 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:30.559 so the more products we can have in the fridge, 207 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:31.480 the better, really. 208 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:34.720 And that's what it said. So that's what I've been doing, 209 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:37.519 running around doing lots of different things. I've become a 210 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.440 director of this community interest company, which is all about 211 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:46.759 connecting people to the land and training opportunities and basically 212 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:48.919 doing things that are good for people and good for 213 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:52.799 conservation and good for the land, using traditional management techniques 214 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.840 and doing things properly. So I'll be talking about that 215 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:58.759 in future episodes, but mainly that's what I'm doing this week. 216 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:00.960 So how about you callum? 217 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.919 That sounds like very busy work, not. 218 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:05.600 Much income, but lots are busy, yeah. 219 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:08.200 But very fulfilling is that not? 220 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:13.360 Yeah? But invoices are really fulfilling too. Oh. I wrote 221 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:15.639 an article that's just come out in the British Deer 222 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:19.879 Society magazine about good social media practices, and a load 223 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:21.799 of people message me saying how good that is. 224 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:25.879 Can you give me just a little tiny taster of 225 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:29.600 what good social media practice for deer stalkers looks like 226 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:30.759 and what bad looks like? 227 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.200 It was, Consider the wider audience, not just your mates 228 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.480 that you're following, and consider that you are. Remember when 229 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:41.559 you were at school and that it was. Remember you're 230 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:43.639 an ambassador for the entire school when they sent you 231 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.120 off on the field trip around somewhere, which is, don't 232 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.080 set far to wheelibins and don't knock over old ladies. Effectively, 233 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.200 bad example for me, but carry on for that. You're 234 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:57.639 doing the same sort of thing for deer management. If 235 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:01.879 all you do is post voters are rights, photos of 236 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.399 deer being butchered and try and sort of emulate what 237 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:08.000 you see in the there's the discover search section on 238 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:12.000 Instagram which shows you the top performing deer hunting posts 239 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.440 in America or something like that, which are all gripp 240 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:21.279 and grins, guns and carcasses. If you instead post things 241 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:25.159 about the reasons that deer need to be controlled. Well, 242 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:28.519 how you're doing it, how you're choosing those animals and 243 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:32.879 link it to food and conservation. You're going to do 244 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.399 more to help the image of British deer management than 245 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.120 just posting stuff for your own little circle of social 246 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:44.399 media engagement, because if Americans like your stuff on Instagram, 247 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.879 it doesn't help British deer management. You need to get 248 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:49.279 the public and farmers and people like that on side. 249 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:53.360 That is a very very good point, and I think 250 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:58.039 preaching to the choir is one of the biggest issues 251 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.039 that a lot of the shooter is to type. People 252 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:06.919 who dominate social media have got to really stop doing because, 253 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:10.919 let's be perfectly frank, most of the stuff that we 254 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:18.120 see from the influences on arm of who are shooting people, 255 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:20.960 it's bloody terrible because all they're doing is it's a 256 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.720 bit like the sort of that they're they're bragging their 257 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:26.639 preaching to the choir. Look at me, I've done this 258 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:29.840 shot this. Look at the size that it is. Crap, 259 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:34.200 he really is anyway, Anyway, I'm afraid it's something that 260 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:38.879 it annoys me because I'm the only person who uses 261 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:40.799 social media in the country side properly and no one 262 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:44.679 else does. That's it. It's just you, only you, just 263 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.480 me only, it's it. Yes, that's it. 264 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:51.519 How about callum, Callum, what have you done with your week? 265 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.759 How have you influenced the countryside for the better? 266 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.159 Well, I'm going to go in reverse or because I've 267 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:04.000 got some got some good fun fun. I've been busy, 268 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.120 but a busy boy. I'm very tired today, which is 269 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:07.639 not great. 270 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:09.720 You look tired, You look like you need a kip. 271 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:13.279 Yeah, I've been up very early. I was working today 272 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:20.360 in Milton Keynes. Yeah, And that is the response that 273 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:24.759 you get. But the fun thing about Milton Keynes is 274 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:29.799 it has all the same like design cues about about 275 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:32.960 it as the town where I grew up, of Harlow. 276 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:39.120 It's like a version two of Harlow New Town. So 277 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.240 it's it's quite nice in a kind of oh my god, 278 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:48.039 this is Milton Keynes, but also looking at from the outside, 279 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.159 it's quite a nice place they've managed to put. They 280 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.960 managed to make like if you look at London, London 281 00:15:55.000 --> 00:16:00.000 is chaos. It's unapologetically chaotic and there's tiny little pockets 282 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:02.919 of wildlife and stuff. But Milton Kings have managed to 283 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:06.000 make they made it like a grid system, and they've 284 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.679 managed to make little pockets of like rural areas and 285 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:15.039 green spaces in what is essentially like an offshoot of London. 286 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:17.960 And it's it's quite nice driving around there and it 287 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.960 feels a bit like a bit like Harlowe. Harlow was 288 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:28.000 the first towns, the new town after the war there was, 289 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:32.960 Stevenage was first. Sir Frederick Gibbard designed all these little 290 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:37.279 tiny villages to be all centered around one main town center. 291 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:39.279 Is actually good content. 292 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:45.679 Yeah. I like this sort of stuff and nearly very 293 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:47.360 close only because I think they were going to give 294 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:49.799 it to me for free because they needed them. I 295 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:55.840 nearly became a landscape architect after leaving after leaving college, 296 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.159 so that was what I considered doing, and I was like, 297 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:02.639 do I do I belong in education? Not really a maverick, 298 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:07.480 So it didn't happen. But yeah, it's quite quite interesting. 299 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.440 And Stevenage is pretty interesting as well. Not necessarily in 300 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.200 a good way, but it is an interesting place. How 301 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.759 they managed to put green spaces in amongst and they 302 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:19.920 make they make it like an actual village. So they've 303 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:23.880 got small villages all centered around a main town center. 304 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.279 It's quite a nice way to build a sense of 305 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:32.359 community but also scale it up to like ridiculous levels. 306 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:36.880 Callum took me on a tour of Harlow because I 307 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.079 was slightly dismissive because obviously I live in a house 308 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:44.400 that was built in sixteen fifty five, and you know 309 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:50.000 that where I live everything is old and wood framed 310 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:53.119 and wattle and daub and stuff like that. And it's 311 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.759 quite interesting is that if you go to someone like 312 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:01.079 in Suffolk, like Lavanon or long Melford where they are 313 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:05.000 that this was how they built this new village when 314 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:08.680 there was some prosperity around during the wall Town's era 315 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.720 in Suffolk, and it's been stuck in aspect because then 316 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.279 Suffolk became poor for such a long while and no 317 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:16.559 one could knock these places down. He showed me, and 318 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:19.400 I thought, actually you could see when he was you 319 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.720 look through. Yes, the design, the architecture is changed and whatnot. 320 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:30.200 But I got that idea that there was a an 321 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:35.200 element of that they were trying to recreate a village 322 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:41.440 feel in an architect's mind, rather than possibly the organic 323 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.720 growth of one usually sees in villages. And I did 324 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.279 genuinely find it interesting. And if you go to somewhere 325 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:51.720 like Welling Garden City or Lechureth, the garden cities that 326 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:55.480 they tried to do after the First World War, you 327 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:56.279 can see. 328 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:59.079 That they're all came through both of those Today, actually 329 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.039 it came through Winning Garden City, and. 330 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:06.039 That you live in a place that was trying to 331 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.119 do this is the Brave New World after the Second 332 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:10.559 World War. Those places tried to this is the brave 333 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:14.039 New World after the First World War. So one wonders 334 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:17.759 what their bloody hell it will look like after the 335 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:19.759 brave New World after COVID. 336 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:23.599 So each of those little places, the design was that 337 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:27.079 they would all have like a pub, butchers, bakers and 338 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:31.079 candlestick makers right in them, in their own little center. 339 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:33.880 And if you needed big stuff, you'd have a big 340 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:37.079 town center to go to. So it would be that 341 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:41.680 you could shop for everything locally. It's an interesting concept 342 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:44.480 and one that I think that these the big cities 343 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:45.200 don't really. 344 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.640 Flat roof murder pubs in each village. 345 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.599 I like that idea dog on the roof sometimes. 346 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:56.079 And interestingly, all of the pubs in Harlow are named 347 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:57.519 after butterflies or moths. 348 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:05.400 Are they really that's trivia questions quiz that one. 349 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:10.079 The Purple Emperor drink them off, all sorts, each one 350 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:12.039 more stabby than the last. 351 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:14.319 I'm not going to go into the death's head hawk moth. 352 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.759 No, the hummingbird. I thought the hummingbird that's not named 353 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:20.079 after him off, and then I was like. 354 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:23.880 Yes, hummingbird. Yeah, they're funny little things they've got they 355 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.680 do look like hummingbird and they've got this little proboscis 356 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:29.720 and sticks out and you think you can't be a moth. 357 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:33.559 It's like you're watching the transition from moth to bird. 358 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:35.440 Fascinating things. 359 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:37.680 And when you compare all that, not the moth bit, 360 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:40.079 but the town's bit to someone like Telford, which was 361 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:43.200 another new town which where they they've mostly gone it wrong. 362 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:47.599 Mostly they aim for village and missed and just hit ghetto. 363 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:53.079 There was a place outside outside Glasgow where they did that, 364 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:56.359 and it was some brutalists, sort. 365 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:57.440 Of the Tower Market. 366 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.559 Yeah. I can't remember the place is name, but it 367 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:04.880 is absolutely scary. Mind you. I was in Hyde Park, Barracks. 368 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:06.359 I was stationed there for a bit when I was 369 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:08.680 in the House or Caverage, and that was designed by 370 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:13.400 some basil Spence and he was a concrete brutalist architecture 371 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:19.279 officionado and it was the most god forsaken dump you'll 372 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:20.920 ever think. You think, Oh, yes, where did you live 373 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:22.720 when you were in London? I had a chat the 374 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.400 other day who makes films about cookery, and he said, 375 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:28.400 if you ever lived in London? And I said yeah, 376 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:30.680 I said briefly, was in the Army said whereabouts? I 377 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.839 went Ninth Bridge and he went, oh, my lord, that's 378 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:34.480 rather posh. 379 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:36.799 Yeah it's not real London. 380 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.119 No quite, And I said yeah. I said, but it 381 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:42.799 was at Hypark Barracks and he went, oh, that's really grand. 382 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:43.599 And it's not. 383 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:48.440 It's just riddled with concrete cancer. The as a cavalry barracks. 384 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:52.799 It gave horses diseases because they got COPD because there 385 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:55.480 was no air ventilation. All the blokes sort of got 386 00:21:55.519 --> 00:22:00.599 hideous colds and flus all the time because everything sweated, bizarrely, 387 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:05.519 because it was just concrete. When I left Knightsbridge to 388 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:10.279 go off to Sandhurst and other parts, I'd never felt 389 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:14.880 so delighted to leave anywhere in my life. 390 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:16.599 Is that the one where the horses are on the 391 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:18.720 first floor. If you look at it, ye or terraces. 392 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:23.799 Yeah, they got two story stables. I mean, it's just ridiculous. 393 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:25.000 Freaked out Taurus. 394 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:27.519 Yeah, I know the Blues and Rules are up above 395 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:29.720 us and the horses suddenly look over and there's someone 396 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:33.519 sort of trying to find and straight opposite Knightsbridge One, 397 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:36.400 which is one of the most expensive apartment blocks in 398 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:41.400 the UK. And yeah, so it must be quite weird 399 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:43.680 that you look out from this thing. You've just paid 400 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:48.440 fourteen million pounds for a sort of fourth story apartment 401 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:51.559