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This is episode seventy seven, 23 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,239 Doctor Johnson, How are you doing today? 24 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,159 Speaker 2: I'm doing well. 25 00:02:03,879 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: Before the show, you asked me about little Susie cream Cheese, 26 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,960 And somehow a bird got into the upstairs through the 27 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,439 I think the bathroom window that doesn't have a screen, 28 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,840 and the cats went into action. The two senior cats 29 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:25,039 got it pinned in the bathroom, not quite sure. 30 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:25,319 Speaker 2: What to do with it. 31 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,599 Speaker 3: After that, they flapped its wings, they let go. They 32 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:31,560 went on the windowsill and I just pushed it out, 33 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,520 and I'm pretty sure it was fine. I look back 34 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,520 and Susie cream Cheese is taking the whole thing in. 35 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:41,199 You know, she's like being taught how to do this stuff. 36 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:48,360 She's killed her in training. And but so so when 37 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,719 a mouse comes in, I pity any mouse that comes 38 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:54,919 into this house. We've had I think ten so far, 39 00:02:55,479 --> 00:03:00,400 not recently. But the bird one on a million million 40 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:05,879 shot was like the Dobson flying. So that was that 41 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,879 was the excitement just about an hour ago. 42 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: Awesome, Awesome, it's gonna be it's gonna be great watching her, 43 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:18,319 watching her grow up. Yep, all right, picking up where 44 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:23,039 we left off last time, the Jews acutely, acutely realized 45 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,960 the need to defend themselves, in part because the post 46 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,719 war Europe and America were flooded with Protocols of the 47 00:03:28,719 --> 00:03:33,039 Elders of Zion suddenly and virtually instantly. There were five 48 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:36,280 editions in England in nineteen twenty, several editions in both 49 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:39,360 Germany and France. Half a million copies in America were 50 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,840 printed by Henry Ford. The unheard of success of the Protocols, 51 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,840 which were translated into several languages, showed how much the 52 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:52,919 Bolshevik Revolution was believed to be Jewish. English researcher Norman 53 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:57,400 Kohne wrote in the years immediately after World War One, 54 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:01,000 when the Protocols entered mainstream and thunder across the world, 55 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:05,960 many otherwise entirely sensible people took them completely seriously. The 56 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:08,960 London Times and Morning Post of that time vouched for 57 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:13,560 their authenticity, although by August twenty first and by August 58 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:16,240 nineteen twenty one, the Times published a series of articles 59 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,920 from its Istanbul correspondent Philip Greeves, who sensationally demonstrated the 60 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:25,399 extensive borrowing of the text in the Protocols from Maurice 61 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,879 Jolies anti Napoleon the third pamphlets The Dialogue in Hell 62 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,360 between Machiavelli and Montescue eighteen sixty four. At that time 63 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:37,560 the French police managed to confiscate every single copy of 64 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,879 the infamous pamphlet. The Protocols came to the West from 65 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:49,319 a Russian overtaken by the Civil War, a journalistic fraud 66 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:51,800 produced in the early twentieth century in nineteen hundred and 67 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:54,399 nineteen oh one. The protocols were first published in nineteen 68 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:57,920 oh three in Saint Petersburg. The mastermind behind them is 69 00:04:57,959 --> 00:05:03,959 thought to be p I. Ratschowski Rokkowski, the eighteen eighty 70 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,360 four to nineteen oh two head of the Foreign intelligence 71 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:09,399 unit of the Police Department. Their production is attributed to 72 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,959 Matvey Golenvisky, a secret agent from eighteen ninety two and 73 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,240 son of v. A. Golovinski, who was a member of 74 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,720 Petrovsky Petroshchevsky Circle. The latter was a Russian literary discussion 75 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:26,480 group of progressive minded commenter intellectuals in Saint Petersburg or 76 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,399 organized by Mikail Petroshevski, a follower of the French utopian 77 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,279 socialist Charles Foyer. Among The members were writers, teachers, students, 78 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:40,079 minor government officials, army officers. While differing in political opinions, 79 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,959 most of them were opponents of the Tsarist autocracy and 80 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,759 the Russian serfdom. Among those connected to the circle were Dostoyevsky. 81 00:05:48,879 --> 00:05:51,920 Still new theories about the origin of the protocols appear 82 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,639 all the time. Although the protocols were published and republished 83 00:05:55,639 --> 00:05:58,279 in nineteen oh five, nineteen oh six, nineteen eleven, they 84 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,319 had little success in pre revolutionary Russia. They did not 85 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:04,319 find broad support in Russian society. The Court did not 86 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:09,319 give support to distinct distribution either. After many failed attempts 87 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,920 to protocols were presented to Nicholas the Second in nineteen 88 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:14,879 oh six, and he was very impressed. His notes on 89 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,480 the margins of the book included, what a foresight, what 90 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,839 precise execution? It is definitely them who orchestrated the revolutionary 91 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,560 events of nineteen oh five. There could be no doubt 92 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,959 about their authenticity authenticity, But when the right wing activists 93 00:06:29,959 --> 00:06:32,600 suggested using the protocols for the defense of the monarchy, 94 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,680 Prime Minister pa Stleipin ordered a secret investigation into their origins. 95 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,240 It showed they were a definite fabrication. The monarch was 96 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,560 shocked by Sto Leipin's report, but wrote firmly removed the 97 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,720 protocols from circulation. You cannot defend the noble cause with 98 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,480 dirty means. And since then Russian ruler's dismissal of the 99 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,000 Protocols of the Elders' Zion came into force, no reference 100 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,959 to the protocols was allowed even during the Baylists trial. 101 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: All right, well, most of the listeners know my opinion 102 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,199 of this, and it's not really much of one. 103 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: I actually went through the. 104 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,759 Speaker 3: Writings of those who were around major Jewish figures at 105 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:24,000 the time, the Scionist Congress of nineteen oh two, Isaac Levinson, 106 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:34,480 Schulmann and Mcginsburg, Abraham Mapu, Alfred Doblin, Anna Seegers, I 107 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:40,720 don't know Joseph Roth. They were the main ones, and 108 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,160 their writings are not secret. None of them sound like 109 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:49,120 the protocols, not even close to it. The first one, 110 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:55,120 of course, was First Science Congress, Theodore Hertzel, Jacques Bahar 111 00:07:55,279 --> 00:08:02,680 and people like that, Samuel pinelists. And it's just like 112 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,879 I've said many times, if I'm a Jew and someone 113 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:09,720 says this is how my elite intellect's right. I'm going 114 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:12,000 to be offended not what's in it, but by that 115 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,120 statement alone. 116 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: It's awfully written. 117 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:21,279 Speaker 3: I am familiar with Jewish political writing at that period, 118 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,759 and it has no connection whatsoever to what's written in 119 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,679 the protocols the First and Second zion Is Congress. Frankly, 120 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,279 they didn't agree on a whole lot. But really is 121 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:39,639 a telltale giveaway is the fact that it really doesn't 122 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:44,559 bring up the major issues that that's the Jews we're 123 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:49,320 talking about at the time. It doesn't use any ancient 124 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,519 Greek authorities because the author didn't know them. It didn't 125 00:08:53,519 --> 00:09:00,799 bring up you know, they're really their own authorities. It 126 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:05,759 didn't bring up, you know, their future plans except in 127 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:13,279 the most crude possible way. And you know, it's simply 128 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,200 it can't be, you know. It's Their writings at the time, 129 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:21,679 regardless of what they really meant, were quite sophisticated. They 130 00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:25,200 learned elders, they certainly existed, and I mentioned a few 131 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:31,919 of them, and their writing is excellent. The person who 132 00:09:32,159 --> 00:09:35,960 wrote these didn't really know much about Judaism, except from 133 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,720 maybe a purely political. 134 00:09:38,799 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: Point of view. 135 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: But the truth is, of course, what you know in general. 136 00:09:44,879 --> 00:09:49,799 What they were saying was true. But I didn't need 137 00:09:49,879 --> 00:09:52,960 protocols for that. No one needed protocols for that. Russia 138 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,480 had plenty of writers, just ASKI included, that were saying 139 00:09:57,519 --> 00:10:03,600 the same kind of things. Ivola wrote on it quite 140 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,559 a bit. This is kind of the flat earth of 141 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,799 the of the of the era. It's it's it's used 142 00:10:10,799 --> 00:10:13,159 to hit us over the head with like a cudgel, 143 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:15,840 people who oppose the theory of evolution and get the 144 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:21,720 flat earth thing that comes out of nowhere. I have 145 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:23,600 a paper that I haven't published. It's called the Mick 146 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:29,679 Lovin of Historical Fakes, you know, the fake id he had, 147 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,519 you know, But there are also right the Maurice Jolie, 148 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,159 the Dialogues in Hell, which was an attack on Napoleon 149 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:46,639 the Third. It's imaginary discussion between Montsque and Machiavelli and 150 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:51,360 Monsacue of course represents justice et cetera. And it's pretty obvious. 151 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,480 The plagiarism is pretty is pretty blatant. But there it's 152 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:04,159 meant to be crude, you know, Jewish writing, especially at 153 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,120 that level. Desion Is congresses, you know, they had a 154 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,159 specific even though they didn't agree on much they had 155 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,039 very specific issues involved, and none of it, none of 156 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:17,679 it seemed to come up in in the in the Protocols, 157 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,720 all these capital letters, whole sentences and capital no one. 158 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:22,799 Speaker 2: You know. 159 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:25,039 Speaker 3: One of the ways I could spot a historical fraud 160 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,120 pretty easily just by the fact that people don't condemn 161 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:34,799 themselves as evil in their own writings. It's it's it's 162 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:41,320 loaded with these, you know, contradictions, make belief, formality, vague language, insults, 163 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:46,080 bad history, non existent economics, high school level rhetoric. Any 164 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,519 truth it contains is purely coincidental. If anyone claimed that 165 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,320 I wrote something and produced a paper at that level, 166 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:59,120 I'd be outraged. You know, this is supposed to be 167 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:03,600 the intellectual elite of Jewish life. 168 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: Talking like this, and it's not as common as it 169 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:11,440 used to be. 170 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,039 Speaker 3: But in debates about the Jews, the the Protocols comes up, 171 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:19,080 but only from them. Whether I'm talking about leftists or 172 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,799 someone else. They say, you probably believe in that. 173 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,519 Speaker 2: I say I do not. Yes, some of the things. 174 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: That they point at are generally true, But I'm not 175 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:32,240 sure why. You know why that got so much promotion, 176 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,080 since there were so many very competent writers saying the 177 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,240 exact same thing about the Jews, including Jews in a 178 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,559 much more sophisticated way. So no one needed that. And 179 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,799 it's a little embarrassing. I mean, you know, Nicholas was right, 180 00:12:47,879 --> 00:12:49,399 you know, yeah, that's true, that's true. Yeah, of course 181 00:12:49,399 --> 00:12:53,600 there's there's some truth in it, you know, to some extent. 182 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,639 This was the part of the part of the agendas, 183 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,360 but the elites at the Zionist congresses didn't agree on 184 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:05,000 a whole lot. So this was this was a this 185 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,960 was a bit of an embarrassment. And I know some 186 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,399 people don't like that, don't like me talking like that. Uh, 187 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,759 which that's too bad. I'm independent for a reason. And 188 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,879 you know, it's never to defend them. That sort of 189 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:25,000 mentality is always there, don't get me wrong. That sort 190 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:32,080 of mentality is always there, but not in their elite writings. 191 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:38,759 And I think we've mentioned some of this before, but 192 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,279 you know, like you know, you know, it's still eaping, 193 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,639 so you know, you can't. I think we said, you know, 194 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:47,039 you can't defend a noble cause with by dirty means. 195 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,600 So Russia's Russia generally dismissed it. 196 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: It's a bit of a you know, it's a shame. 197 00:13:53,919 --> 00:13:55,639 Speaker 3: But if I was to create something like this, it 198 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,720 would be you know, at least would I would know 199 00:13:57,759 --> 00:14:02,039 how to do it. You know the fact that they 200 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,799 don't bring up any of their own stages or carrow 201 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:12,799 anyone like that. But but more than anything else, you know, 202 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,919 there's it's not really all the fake quotes that you 203 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:21,559 see from like Lenin, fake quotes from Hitler, from from Stalin. 204 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,039 You know, you can go there's a whole page on 205 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,240 fake quotes. There's actually a book out on fake quote 206 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:32,720 and they're really easy to spot because every one of them, 207 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,159 almost every one of them is self condemning. We're gonna 208 00:14:38,159 --> 00:14:41,360 slaughter this one, we're gonna murder that one. We're gonna 209 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:43,519 you know, it's like a like a bad action movie villain. 210 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:49,200 And that's exactly how what the protocol puts out. And 211 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:51,080 after a while I got sick and tired of people 212 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,399 beating me over the head with it. As a way 213 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:56,559 that you probably believe in this nonsense kind of like 214 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,000 you know, we're debating evolution and they bring up the 215 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,840 flat earth. You know, it's very similar kind of Yeah, 216 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,360 they you know, they don't fight fair. They love this 217 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:12,000 kind of thing. You're not going to learn much from it. However, 218 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:16,080 finding the actual elders of Zion at the time I 219 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,039 mentioned a few of them, and finding their works, well 220 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:24,120 that's different. See what they had to say. I mentioned 221 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:28,559 a few works about the Jewish political future written roughly 222 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:29,960 around that time. I can't think of them off the 223 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,120 top of my head now, and I said, well, yeah. 224 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: I have, I have them listed here. 225 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 3: No one mentions that in the protocol, and you know, 226 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,440 you know other things like that. They you know, it 227 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,039 just it wasn't written certainly wasn't written by by Jews. 228 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:45,879 Speaker 2: It was written. 229 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: By some sort of knew a little bit about Jews 230 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:53,559 but didn't like them. I had a good reason not 231 00:15:53,679 --> 00:15:56,519 like them, but I really didn't know how to how 232 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:02,039 to write like them. And ever since then it's been 233 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,759 a it's been a problem. 234 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,639 Speaker 2: I'm just surprised it it had. 235 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,879 Speaker 3: The currency it did that it got that this is 236 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,639 this is what the elite elders, This is how they wrote. 237 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,159 Are you kidding me? Their writings aren't secret, you know. 238 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,960 The stuff that they wrote at the time is available 239 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,679 at least for most of them, as far as I know. 240 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:28,879 And they didn't write like that. Now again, I'm not 241 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:30,840 saying that that sort of thing isn't in the back 242 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:35,759 of their minds. Maybe it is, that's a different story. 243 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,279 But in terms of you know, and writing it down, 244 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,120 this is you know, yeah, they do think like that 245 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,279 many times. It's in the back of their minds, but 246 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:46,679 they certainly not going to write it down. God for 247 00:16:46,679 --> 00:16:48,440 for a long time the Talm it wasn't written down, 248 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:51,159 or when it was written down, they use you know, 249 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,039 code words and and symbols and things like that if 250 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,879 it fell into the wrong hands. So I could go 251 00:16:57,879 --> 00:17:00,120 on and on and on about it. 252 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,559 Speaker 2: It's just. 253 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,079 Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of an embarrassment. But 254 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:11,960 I will say again that sort of crude thinking does exist. 255 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: It does exist in. 256 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,279 Speaker 3: The mind of of of many Jews. Now they're not 257 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:20,960 going to call themselves evil, but they certainly will, you know, 258 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,799 realize that they're taking over and they've they've done, you know, 259 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,279 things that might be evil, but you know, it's for Jews. 260 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:32,319 So it doesn't matter. When I read when I first 261 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,599 read them, it was I was shocked. 262 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: I said, people bought this. 263 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,039 Speaker 3: So again, the Jewish stagers at the time who were 264 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:46,640 at these conferences, their writings are out there. You could 265 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:52,680 compare them anyway. That's that's my that's my opinion. And 266 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,079 you had so many other great writers in Russia and 267 00:17:56,079 --> 00:17:58,680 Western Europe talking about the Jews. No one needed the 268 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,240 protocols to learn about what they were actually planning and 269 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,839 what they thought of themselves and what they were going 270 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,079 to do. 271 00:18:06,039 --> 00:18:10,279 Speaker 1: However, nineteen eighteen changed everything for the protocols. After the 272 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:13,119 Bolshevik sis power, after the murder of the royal family 273 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,759 in the beginning of the Civil War, the popularity of 274 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:19,200 the protocols surged. They were printed and reprinted by the 275 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:23,960 Osvosh White Army counter intelligence agency in the South of 276 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:32,200 Russia in Novo Scherkosk, Kharkoff, Rossofan, don Omsk, Kabarovsk, Vladivostok, 277 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:35,319 and were widely circulated among both the volunteer army and 278 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,039 the population and later Russian immigrants, especially in Sofia and Belgrade. 279 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: You know, I could see it used as almost like 280 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:49,039 a primer for people who you know, couldn't read, who 281 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:53,240 don't have the who couldn't read the level of scholarship 282 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,960 of the actual learned elders, you know, who knew Plato 283 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,359 and Aristotle, they knew Mamonodes, they knew Cairo. 284 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,039 Speaker 2: It's difficult reading. This could be used you know, this is. 285 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: Kind of a summary of it in crude terms. I 286 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,440 could see it being used as that, because in essence 287 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,319 that for the most part is true. I mean, the 288 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:22,519 Economics Center is terrible. Some of it doesn't make sense. Uh, 289 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,319 And it's one thing that and it's odd that you know, 290 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,000 who are they talking to? 291 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: Do you learned alters are talking to each other or 292 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:33,079 a conference. 293 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:36,799 Speaker 3: They know they know this stuff already and they surely 294 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:40,720 don't need anyone lecturing them about economics and taking over 295 00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:47,000 various industries. So but I maybe they had a limited use. 296 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:50,000 As you know, if this is your this is your 297 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:53,119 first you know, you can grasp it and absorb it quickly. 298 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:55,960 Oh wait a minute, Okay, maybe it's not real. But 299 00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:59,480 do they really think like this and then you start 300 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,720 reading more when you get to our stuff? Oh my god, 301 00:20:01,759 --> 00:20:04,000 really they do. I could see it as a sort 302 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,039 of a primer for people just getting started, because so 303 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,920 often these people they wrote in a way that your 304 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:18,240 college freshmen would struggle with. So maybe that's the use 305 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:20,680 that it had, and I think the White Army had 306 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,960 that in mind. But as any kind of work of 307 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,119 scholarship or something you could you know anything more than that. 308 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 2: No. 309 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,319 Speaker 1: After the Bolshevik victory, the selling of protocols was banned 310 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,960 in Russia and became a criminal offense. But in Europe 311 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,720 the Protocols brought in by the white immigration played an 312 00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:43,680 ominous role in the development of right wing ideology, especially 313 00:20:43,839 --> 00:20:49,440 national socialism in Germany. No boy exposure of the protocols 314 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:52,920 is forgery and general denial of identity between Bolsheviks and 315 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,160 Jews constituted a major share of liberal immigrant journalism of 316 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,160 the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. We see several prominent Russians. 317 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:09,119 There are Miryakov, Rdishev, Bertsev and Kartashev Av Kartashev historian 318 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,119 of religion, orthodox theologian and at the same time a 319 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,799 public figure. Wrote about the unacceptability of anti Semitism for 320 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:20,279 a Christian and the pre revolutionary collection shield, which I 321 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,960 have often cited. In nineteen twenty two in Emigration, he 322 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:28,599 wrote the forward to hy Yoldlevsky Yyu Delevsky's book on 323 00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:33,200 the Protocols. In nineteen thirty seven, Bertzev too asked him 324 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,200 to write a forward for his book, Kartashev wrote it, 325 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:40,319 a man with common sense, goodwill, and a little scientific 326 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,359 discipline cannot even discuss the authenticity of this police and 327 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:49,119 journalistic forgery, though certainly a talented forgery able to infect 328 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,720 the ignorant. It's unfair to continue supporting this obvious deceit 329 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,079 after it has been so unambiguously exposed. Yet it is 330 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,160 equally unfair to do the opposite, to exploit the easy 331 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,559 victory over the p to cause authenticity, to dismiss legitimate concerns. 332 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,000 A half truth is a lie. The whole truth is 333 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,119 that the Jewish question is posed before the world, is 334 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,920 one of the tragic questions of history, and it cannot 335 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,880 be resolved either by savage pograms or by libel and lies, 336 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,599 but only by honest and open efforts of all mankind. 337 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,079 Pograms in slander make a sensible and honest raising of 338 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:27,440 the question more difficult, degrading it to outright stupidity and absurdity. 339 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,319 They confuse the Jews themselves, who constantly emphasize the emphasize 340 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,279 their oppressed innocence, and expect from everybody else nothing but 341 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:44,079 sympathy and some sort of obligatory obligatory Judeophilia. Kartashchef certainly 342 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,319 regarded debunking of this sensational apocrypha as a moral duty, 343 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,799 but also thought that in washing out the dust of 344 00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:53,640 protocols from the eyes of the ignorant, it is unacceptable 345 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,119 to impair their vision anew by pretending that this obliterates 346 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,839 the Jewish question itself. 347 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you see what I mean. 348 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:10,559 Speaker 3: Throughout the twentieth century you had modernist theologians in the 349 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:17,759 Orthodox world who equated our understanding of bolsivism as you know, 350 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,359 mostly Jewish, to the acceptance of the protocols. That's why 351 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:28,200 this is damaging. That's why people will say, you know, 352 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,319 your your rejection of evolution Darwin means you accept the 353 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,759 flat earth. Now, I've heard that straight out and on 354 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,880 social media. Said to me, it's just it's just a weapon. 355 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,920 Of course, they realize it. They don't go together. But 356 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,160 for people who aren't quite as intellectually honest as we 357 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,519 try to be, the protocols just allowed them to say, okay, see, 358 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:53,240 the protocols are nonsense. Therefore, therefore their whole agenda's nonsense, 359 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,680 and the Jews are not involved, or at least only 360 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,599 partially involved. With Bolsivism, and everything they say is in 361 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:05,000 the white are wrong. And and this has allowed liberals, 362 00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:08,440 especially you know, moderate liberals that type, to avoid and 363 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:15,119 sidestep the question of the Jewish domination of Bolsivism. We 364 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,480 all know, not just the Jewish domination of Balsivism, but 365 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,799 the revolutionary movement in general, including its opponents on the left. 366 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,480 And we talked about it in nineteen oh five, nineteen 367 00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:26,920 oh six, we talked about it even in Dostoevsky's time. 368 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,200 Dost Aski talks about it in detail in his Diary 369 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,519 of a Writer nineteenth century, so late nineteenth century. So 370 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,440 you know, the protocols is is a weapon that our 371 00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:43,680 enemies tend to use. Now I don't know what Kartanshev 372 00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,519 really is. Is refers to I've read him before a 373 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:53,319 long time ago, but I guess by legitimate issues. I 374 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:56,880 don't know what he means. I don't recall precisely where 375 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,799 he stood on that issue. But you have a lot 376 00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:02,839 of Philo Semitism, because you know, you can't be a 377 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:05,880 major public get major works published in a major publisher 378 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:14,200 unless you're philo Semitic in America, and so you have 379 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,880 these authors very piously. Now, I've responded to some of 380 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,400 this stuff over the years with long letters that I 381 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,599 know get attacked and all that. And of course you know, 382 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,480 they bring up the protocols in their response. 383 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,039 Speaker 2: They always do. 384 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: Now, the last one I did was mostly about race, 385 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,599 but you know what, it came up anyway. So this 386 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:39,599 this was just a way, almost like a sob It's 387 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,279 like a cough drop for them to soothe any and 388 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,799 their bad conscience. Yes, you know, Jews everywhere in this movement. 389 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,039 Oh wait, look, these people believe the protocols. So okay, 390 00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:51,680 all right, all right, let's calm down now, we know 391 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:54,559 it's not true. And they could, they could, they could 392 00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:57,759 keep going. It was almost a way to deal with 393 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,720 their their cognitive dissonance, which most modernist Orthodox have twenty 394 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,319 four hours a day. And that's something I wouldn't wish 395 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:06,839 on anybody. 396 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: Indeed, the Jewish question cannot be removed by either books 397 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,240 or articles. Consider the new reality face in the nineteen 398 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:18,119 twenties by Jews in the Baltic countries in Poland and Baltics. 399 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,720 Although Jews managed to maintain for a while their influential 400 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,200 position in trade and industry, they felt social pressure a 401 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,519 good half of Russian Jewry lived in the newly independent states. 402 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,240 New states trumpet their nationalism all the louder the less 403 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:38,240 secure they feel. These Jews feel themselves besieged by a hostile, energetic, 404 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,559 and restless popular environment. One day, it has demanded that 405 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,720 there be no more Jews percentage wise in the institutions 406 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,279 of higher learning than in the army. The next, the 407 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:50,279 air of everyday life becomes so tense and stressful that 408 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,519 Jews can no longer breathe in the same. In the 409 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,799 self determined nations, the war against Jews is waged by 410 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,920 the society itself, by students, military, political parties, ordinary people. 411 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,960 I Bickerman concluded that in leading the charge for self determination, 412 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,039 Jews were preparing the ground for their own repression by 413 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,680 virtue of higher dependence on the alien society. The situation 414 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:18,319 of Jews in Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania is literally tragic. 415 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,759 Yesterday is oppressed or today's oppressors. What is more, extremely 416 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:26,680 uncouth oppressors, entirely unashamed of their lack of culture. 417 00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:31,559 Speaker 3: This is one of the reasons during the Russian Civil 418 00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:35,079 War that the Western Powers intervened, at least in the 419 00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:39,039 northern part after the war was over. Now before the 420 00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:43,799 war was over was different. But nineteen nineteen, early nineteen nineteen, 421 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,960 part of their agenda was to defend these new republics, 422 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:57,039 which economically same thing occurred in the nineties were almost 423 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:05,640 immediately colonized by Germany and Sweden. Estonia especially, and they 424 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:12,799 are because they're so small, they're very dependent. Now the Jews, 425 00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,839 of course, we were not oppressed by anybody. But I 426 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,799 think you know, when you have any kind of nationalism, 427 00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:23,559 there's nothing wrong with with, you know, Lithuanian nationalism, nothing, 428 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,359 nothing whatsoever. 429 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,039 Speaker 2: You find a lot of it in Belarus. 430 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:31,039 Speaker 3: That's not the point. And there is this weird you know, 431 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,400 rivalry between Belarus and Lithuania. For that they take up 432 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,440 a lot of the same a lot of the same space. 433 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,920 But it can't be based on this, uh you know 434 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,039 my probably know my problems with with with Albanians and 435 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,720 Muslim Albanians anyway, And the close of all is who 436 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:52,160 I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to to fly there. 437 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 2: I heard that from somebody. I'm on the list. I 438 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,640 can never go there. 439 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 3: Anyway. But it's very similar. These tiny little countries are 440 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:08,240 used as ways to hurt the larger one. The same 441 00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:14,279 thing happened in nineteen ninety one. In ninety two, I 442 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,960 had nothing to do with the Jews. Jews, of course 443 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,759 dominated these societies in terms of finance, but any kind 444 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:25,400 of ethnic nationalism, even at that small scale, they will 445 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,400 notice that they do have a rival, far more nationalists 446 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,720 than themselves, and they may have to do something about it. Now, 447 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:37,000 given the fact that they were under very close Western control, 448 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,240 I don't know how much was done about it, because 449 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:43,920 the West was not going to permit anything to be 450 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:51,960 done to their to their social betters. So but that 451 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:57,480 was just a way self determination nonsense. These countries, even 452 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:00,240 even Ukraine. You know, I'm finishing up, by the way, 453 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,960 I should note my book on the Ukrainian War, the 454 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:06,200 Ruster Ukrainian War of twenty twenty two. 455 00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: I'm finishing up. 456 00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:14,799 Speaker 3: It's going to be out soon. And it's it's very 457 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,119 difficult to see how an independent Ukraine would actually function. 458 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:21,079 As large as it is, it is still going to 459 00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:24,759 be dependent on somebody. It's going to have you all 460 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:26,759 the cost acts, all the all the movements opposed to 461 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:29,559 Rush in the past, they all had to go to somebody. 462 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:33,680 The poll sometimes the Turks. Mazeppa went to the Swedes. 463 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,319 I didn't my lecture on go to Potski, who we've 464 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:45,440 mentioned before on my Orthodox National show. They condemned him 465 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,720 because he was supported by the German army in nineteen eighteen. 466 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:49,519 Speaker 2: Well so what. 467 00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,079 Speaker 3: You know, the other the other contenders for the power 468 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:55,880 were dependent on the either the Soviet Union or there 469 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,799 or the unentauned. But that's how it is for countries 470 00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:02,440 like this, you know. 471 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: So that was really the big issue this was. And 472 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,079 as far as the. 473 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:12,319 Speaker 3: Jews were concerned, they continue to dominate finance and everything else. 474 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,200 But it's always a balancing act. You know, how much 475 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,200 nationalism do you really want to promote? Because nationalism usually 476 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,160 means very strong families, it means low crime, it means, 477 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,720 you know, comes from a place of social trust. And 478 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,920 you start, you know, you begin having you start looking 479 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,960 at your opponents. Now, Jews need the opposite. The Jews 480 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,720 need total chaos to thrive. And you know, this is 481 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,000 the reason why they they pump pornography into the West Bank. 482 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: And they still do it. 483 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,359 Speaker 3: Michael Jones back in two thousand and one let off 484 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,440 his his speech at our Barne Review conference by mentioning 485 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,519 that way, you think they're bringing them freedom. No, we 486 00:31:57,559 --> 00:31:59,400 know what they're doing, but we know why they're doing that. 487 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:04,480 So this is a complicated issue, and it's going to 488 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,759 be irrelevant pretty soon because in nineteen forty Stalin will 489 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,559 reabsorb them. 490 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: So it transpired that the breakup of Russia also meant 491 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,480 the breakup of Russian Jewry, as the historical paradoxically, the 492 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:21,119 history paradoxically showed that the Jews were better off in 493 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,440 the United Russian Empire despite all the oppression, all of it. 494 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,839 So now in these splintered border countries, Jews became the 495 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:34,839 faithful guardians of the Russian language, Russian culture, impatiently waiting 496 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,759 for the restoration of the Great Russia. Schools that still 497 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:42,839 teach in Russian became filled with Jewish children, to the 498 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,799 exclusion of learning the languages of the newly formed states. 499 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,680 In these tiny countries, the Russian Jew, accustomed to life 500 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,359 in the open swaths of the Great Empire, feels uncomfortable, 501 00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:57,079 squeezed and diminished in his social status despite all the 502 00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:00,640 civil rights and autonomy. Indeed, are people's face is bound 503 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,640 up with the fate of the Great Russia. 504 00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 3: All right this, I gotta say something here. Now, this 505 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,359 isn't from Sultanestan. This is a quote. You know, his 506 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,400 quotes are long, and sometimes you forget that it's a quote. 507 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,480 As far as I think, it's still I Bikerman Ivan Bikerman. 508 00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:27,839 The Jews, given their survival strategies, we all know wherever 509 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,880 they are, they're going to find the minority that they 510 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,880 could use against the majority culture. 511 00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: Wherever they go. 512 00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: In Kazakhstan, the handful of Jews there created the Uzbek 513 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,480 political movement. When I read that, I could you know 514 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,279 wherever they go, it's the same thing here. They didn't 515 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,640 give a damn about Russian culture or anything else. But Russians 516 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,039 were a fairly small minority. I shouldn't say fairly small, 517 00:33:56,079 --> 00:34:01,039 that's not true, but they were a minority in these 518 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,519 these places. So as I said, so as you know 519 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:12,159 these forms of nationalism Lithuanian and Estonian, so they don't 520 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:17,920 get too too strong and fight Jewish interests. They now 521 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,360 are suddenly going to be very interested in the Russian language. 522 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,159 They didn't give a damn about Russian culture because Russian 523 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:31,599 culture is Orthodoxy. It was just a contrarian aspect of 524 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,280 this and in promoting the conflict between the Russians who 525 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,880 were left behind and native Estonians. You know they could 526 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,840 take advantage of that. So don't think, you know, this 527 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,360 is who No one actually believes this nonsense except for 528 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,599 this guy, faithful guardian of the Rusian Languge. Rusian culture 529 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:55,840 is utter nonsense unless you're saying it's sarcastically. It just 530 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,360 so happens that Russians were a minority here. I mean, 531 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:06,280 look how quickly Jews suddenly supported Ukrainian nationalism of all things, 532 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,480 of all things, one of the most anti Jewish nationalisms 533 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,239 of all They're right up there with the Balestinians in 534 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,440 the Cossacks here. You know, this is the Cossack territory. 535 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,559 They're willing to do it to serve their interests of 536 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,079 fighting a much larger power that they despise. And on 537 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,559 a smaller level, it's the case here. So don't take 538 00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,719 this too seriously. Anyone who believes that to this extent 539 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:35,599 is an idiot. But yes, it's true technically, but not 540 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:36,599 for the reasons he thinks. 541 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,599 Speaker 1: Still, the position of jury in the circles of international 542 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:44,719 post war politics was strong, especially in Paris, and particular 543 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,960 regarding Zionism. Quote. In July nineteen twenty two, the League 544 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,880 of Nations recognize the World Zionist Organization as the Jewish 545 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,480 agency which first and foremost represented the interests of Zionists 546 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,880 and secondly of nonion and also provided support to the 547 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,599 European Jews. Biekerman accused the Zionists of seeing a fragments 548 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:11,000 in Russia as an ideal. This is why the Organization 549 00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:15,239 of Russian Zionists called itself not Russian but russaou Ukrainian. 550 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,360 This is why the Iszionists and related Jewish groups so 551 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,880 assiduously for fraternized with the Ukrainian separatists. 552 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 3: No, nothing changes. It's really amazing. I think I just 553 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:34,519 said that. But relative to today. You know that Jewish 554 00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,719 money goes into the Asov battalion. Well we know the 555 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,679 real reason. I mean, some of their leadership has trained 556 00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:44,800 in Israel. And I've written on that before, but when 557 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,679 I first heard that, when it's all started, I couldn't 558 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,960 really you know, they have no principles except for power. 559 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,280 They're willing to do it for. I mean they've all 560 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,400 been destroyed quite a while ago, but they're willing to 561 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,599 do it. Zion Is really the Jewish groups uh Frat 562 00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:06,639 Knights with the Ukrainian separatists, of course they did. And 563 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,360 in Russia, of course they will join with anyone else 564 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,760 who wants to split the country up. Of course, we 565 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,800 know logically Jews, even from their point of view, were 566 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,000 better off in the United Russia. But in their fantasy land, 567 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,280 these pograms, everything else made it impossible for them to function, 568 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,239 you know, in their upper middle class lives, crying about 569 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,760 how awful it was. Well, the typical Russian peasant, while 570 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,480 doing fairly well, couldn't dream of that, of that kind 571 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,960 of alive, maybe didn't want that kind of alive. And 572 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,159 certainly in Ukraine, where the peasant commune was not nearly 573 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,320 as strong as it was in the rest of Russia. 574 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,800 So it's this, this section, this few paragraphs here, this 575 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,360 goes far and explaining the Jewish mentality. I don't even 576 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,719 think Bikerman realizes it. He realizes what he's admitting here. 577 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,719 Plus I love the fact that the League of Nations 578 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,719 said that the Zionist Agency represents Jews, whether the Zionists 579 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,440 or not. I find that very funny. But of course, settlement, 580 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,480 and you still had some settlement in Palestine. Here at 581 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:23,360 this point, we're in nineteen twenty two, twenty three. 582 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:25,599 Speaker 2: It's going to take. 583 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,679 Speaker 3: Another World War though to to create to create Israel, 584 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,440 and it will be the Soviets who were the first 585 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,199 to fashion it and recognize it at the UN. 586 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:41,039 Speaker 1: After the Civil War, Soviet Russia sentence into a heavy silence. 587 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,079 From this point on for decades to follow. All independent 588 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,360 voices were squashed and the and only the official line 589 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,920 could be heard, and the less was heard from Russia. 590 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,320 The latter was the voice of emigration. All of them, 591 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,519 from anarchists to monarchists, looked back in pain and argued 592 00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,760 intensely who and to what extent was to blame for 593 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:02,800 what had happened. 594 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,199 Speaker 3: Okay, I got to stop him here, I think he 595 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,519 means intellectually, although this means dot was just getting started 596 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:18,719 now while peasant uprisings were at their peak around this time. 597 00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:21,719 They're going to continue straight up to the German invasion. 598 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,920 They never stopped, and they were everywhere. You had people 599 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,519 starving all over the place. Because of this ridiculous policy 600 00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:35,400 collectivization which Lenin began installed and completed. Their old ways 601 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,039 of farming were destroyed. They had to become engineers. See 602 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:44,119 Lendin's idea was that the world should become one large factory. 603 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:48,880 That's the final zenith of the Enlightenment. That's the final 604 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,159 nosis of what the Enlightenment was all about. Mechanism. So 605 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:58,760 that means it isn't so much that they give it 606 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,239 damn the peasants, so they don't need as many of them. 607 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,320 Once they realized that these things can be eventually automated, 608 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,400 and that we're going to bring the factory, factory systems, 609 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:15,760 factory methods into farming. You see that in the US today, 610 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,679 anything concerning GMO is right in that line. You know, 611 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,400 people who know nothing about farming are controlling you know, 612 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,280 GMO crops because they know something about chemistry and they 613 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:34,079 know something about genetics. So yeah, intellectually, only the official 614 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:39,480 line could be heard after nineteen twenty three or so, 615 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,719 so many had been killed, but peasant uprisings physically never 616 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,360 stopped until. 617 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,119 Speaker 2: Until nineteen forty one. 618 00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 1: Discussion developed within emigrant and jewelry as well. In nineteen 619 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,960 twenty three, Beakerman noted, quote, Jews answer everything with a 620 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,199 familiar gesture, familiar words. We know where to blame wherever 621 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,199 we get whenever something goes wrong, you'll look for a 622 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,920 Jew and find one. Ninety percent of what is written 623 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,519 in the contemporary Jewish press about Jews in Russia is 624 00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:16,280 just a paraphrase of this stereotype. And because it's impossible 625 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,519 that we're always to blame for everything, Jews take from 626 00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:23,119 this the flattering and a first glance quite convenient conclusion 627 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,679 that we're always in everywhere in the right. 628 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 3: But I don't know, I don't even know what he's 629 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,119 saying here. They don't say that about themselves, and shortly 630 00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:33,840 not at the time. 631 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 1: However, consider before the Revolution, the Jewish society passionately argued 632 00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,320 that a revolution would save the Jews, and we still 633 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:50,159 ardently adhere to this position. When the Jewish organizations gather 634 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,360 resources in the West to aid their co ethnic suffering 635 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,079 in the USSR, they denounce, belittle and slander everything about 636 00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:01,320 pre revolutionary Russia, including the most positive of and constructive things. 637 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,639 See the Bolshevik Russia has now become the Promised Land, 638 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,320 egalitarian and socialist. Many Jews who emigrated from Russia settled 639 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,599 in the United States, and pro Bolshevik attitudes spread quickly 640 00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:18,000 among them. The general Jewish mood was that Bolshevism was 641 00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:21,400 better than the restoration of monarchy. It was widely believed 642 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,880 that the fall of Bolshevism in Russia would inevitably engender 643 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,280 a new wave of bloody Jewish pograms and mass extermination. 644 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,840 And it is on this basis that Bolshevism is preferred 645 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,320 as the lesser evil. 646 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 3: You know, he's acting like there's this huge separation between 647 00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:45,639 Jewelry and Bolshevism, and there's not. It's true, you had 648 00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:49,880 many leftist groups similar to the Bolsheviks, but still in 649 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,760 opposition to them. Some of them, you know, stayed and 650 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,360 just made their peace. Some of them did go into exile. 651 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,480 The anarchists, you know, he couldn't make their peace with this. 652 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,199 And coming to America, you know, they were they were 653 00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:08,360 the founders of everything, you know, Jews. This mass immigration 654 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,000 of all of these leftists of whatever type completely altered 655 00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:21,119 American society. The Jewish mafia in the in the twenty 656 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,960 especially in the thirties, uh, well the twenties and during 657 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,599 prohibition in the thirties, you know, they created later on, 658 00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:34,039 they created Las Vegas. You know, the communists. The Communist 659 00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,320 movement was entire at its inception, was was very Jewish. 660 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,519 You had other gentile socialists before in nineteenth century, but 661 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,599 you know, they became very influential. Unfortunately, the the white 662 00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:50,000 movement in settling in the US was not newly as influential. 663 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:58,559 Religiously maybe, but that's about it. You know, many Jews 664 00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:04,559 immigrating from ussell in the US, but the Jews overwhelmingly 665 00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:07,760 and this was even more the case after World War Two. 666 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,000 But at this point there was a mentality, not not. 667 00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,159 Speaker 2: Quite literally, but that the Soviet. 668 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 3: Union was the Promised Land. 669 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 2: If you weren't a Zionist, I. 670 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,119 Speaker 3: Always thought that, you know, Israel, this little tiny country 671 00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:26,199 is always in trouble. You know, I think right now 672 00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:30,079 it's they tried to make eastern Ukraine the Promised Land. 673 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:33,199 It didn't work, Crimea, It's not going to happen. It's 674 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,519 New York. It's it's at least the eastern part of 675 00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,960 the United States right now. That's what's that's you know, 676 00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,079 that's far more power there than you have in this 677 00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:49,119 little little country in Israel. So you know, and of 678 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,039 course they do denounce but little and slander everything about 679 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:57,360 pre revolutionary Russia, refusing to see or to consider all 680 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,519 the all the things and how they were actually treated 681 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,079 by the monarchy. We've been through in this show four 682 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:09,119 months now, going through it, you know, at nauseum about 683 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:11,000 how well they were treated, the money that was spent 684 00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:15,199 on them. They needed to create this fantasy land of 685 00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:21,800 these programs for no reason, which were you know, completely 686 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,440 in the imagination much of the time. That was their 687 00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:29,400 their starting point, and that created a school of thought 688 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:36,239 that exists in the academy today. The Frankfurt School was 689 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:43,320 a part of this training thought they were Jews, you know, 690 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,880 the neocons coming from Trotsky. Different story, but still the 691 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,400 end results the same. And this notion fall of Balsivism 692 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,960 would lead to Bundy Jewish programs. Yeah, you know what, 693 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,000 it's kind of hard to say no to that. That 694 00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:05,880 would happen, you know, but it would simply be in 695 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:11,119 retaliation for what the Jews and the Chicken had been 696 00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,559 doing up until that point. And that's why you had 697 00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:17,320 all sorts of regardless of where they were on the spectrum, 698 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,880 all types of spectrums, but the ideological one too. They're 699 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,519 all on the left to Okay, we need to back 700 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,119 the USSR or else we're in serious trouble. 701 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:28,519 Speaker 2: We pushed so far. 702 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 3: That we'll get another kim O on Nitski if we lose. 703 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: I think we end it right there. We're going to 704 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,199 start getting into the nep. 705 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 2: And yes, very different story. 706 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,519 Speaker 1: Okay, we're about forty five minutes, and so I'll lend this. 707 00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 2: That's fun. 708 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: Good, I'll lend this as I always do. Go to 709 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,199 the show notes and donate to doctor Johnson. Go to 710 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,119 the description of the videos and donate to doctor Johnson. 711 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,760 Keep him flush, keep him unemployed so that he can 712 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:07,079 he can continue to educate us on this book and 713 00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:10,760 this subject that, as a friend of mine, as a 714 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,400 good friend of the show, has said, was just laid 715 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,039 out there waiting to be picked up and studied by somebody. 716 00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:21,800 And finally, you know, it's happening in a way that 717 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,440 not only can people now understand what's in the book, 718 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,199 but even understand the history and the culture and the 719 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,639 people who are part of this history. The most important 720 00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:37,679 part is always the people. 721 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's sort of what my job is, and 722 00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:42,000 that's why this is working so well. 723 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,639 Speaker 2: Well, I'm having such a good time. 724 00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:47,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's great, Thank you, doctor Johnson. So it's 725 00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:48,320 seen a couple of days. 726 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 2: All right, my friend, byebye,