WEBVTT 1 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:29.760 Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Big for 2 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:33.920 Zone ECBRO and if you're listening on the rerun or 3 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:37.640 on ECBR Bigfoot Radio, which is found on any of 4 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:41.239 your favorite podcast platforms, well, we're glad to have you, 5 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:44.040 ladies and Gentlemen's a couple of announcements I want to 6 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:48.319 go through before we jump right into our segment tonight. 7 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.560 We have a special guest with us, mister Mike Hartman 8 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:54.400 from Ohio. We're gonna be bringing me on very shortly, 9 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:57.040 but I do want to remind everybody if this is 10 00:01:57.079 --> 00:01:59.439 the first time listening or tuning in, or if you've 11 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:02.239 been watching, do you want to remind you of a 12 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:06.239 few newly published books right A Year Trail of the Unknown, 13 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:11.800 Journey Beyond Truth, The Bigfoot Zone, A comprehensions research doctrine 14 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:16.800 of Bigfoot investigations, and of course my very first children's 15 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:19.800 book based off of me and my grandson, Caden Goes Camping. 16 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:24.280 These books could be found on Lulu dot com, So 17 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:26.599 if you go to Lulu dot com and go to 18 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:30.879 their bookstore, you will find these. So I encourage you 19 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:34.039 to jump jump on these, take advantage of these, especially 20 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:37.039 if you plan on attending, and I'm going to tell 21 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.520 you what I was not planning. I was not planning 22 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:42.639 on attending or being a part of any speaking engagements 23 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:47.280 this year. But yes, I will be found at the 24 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:50.879 West Virginia Bigfoot Festival this year. I've been there about 25 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:55.800 four times, at least four times. Actually maybe it's yeah, 26 00:02:56.360 --> 00:03:00.360 four or five times. Anyway, I spoke every time I 27 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.360 have attended there. I spoke at each one except for one. 28 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:06.039 But I will be your speaker this year. They do 29 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:10.479 a Friday, Saturday and Sunday of course October ninth through 30 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:15.479 the eleventh. October ninth, which is a Friday, So among 31 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:18.919 the speakers, they have me scheduled for Friday, October ninth. 32 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.719 I'll be speaking at this event, and I do plan 33 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:26.919 on having my book there, possibly a few DVDs. A 34 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:31.199 few DVDs. What DVDs will I have? Well, the first 35 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:37.639 season of Bigfoot Explorers. That's right, Bigfoot Explorers is streaming 36 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:43.319 on Fossol TV network, So yeah, that's exciting. We finally 37 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.560 got it on there after it just took forever to 38 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:49.319 get on there, but we're glad that it's on there. 39 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.000 So there's a possibility that I may have DVDs. I've 40 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.199 already talked to the film distribution guy. You asked me, Hey, 41 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:58.240 do you want to have some do these copies? I said, well, 42 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:00.240 if I can afford them, sure. You know, if I 43 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.759 can get copies, that'd be great. I told him, I 44 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:05.400 want to make sure I can afford copies of my 45 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:08.719 own books to sell there to you, So you know, 46 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.000 we'll kind of go from there, see how that works out. 47 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.800 But yeah, this year, twenty twenty six, the West Virginia 48 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:18.560 Bigfoot Festival. You can find me yours truly, Daniel Jay Benoit. 49 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:24.040 I will be there from Friday through Sunday, so but 50 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:26.439 the main day is Friday and Saturday. I won't be 51 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:30.240 there too long on Sunday. It's roughly about a four 52 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:32.439 hour drive for me, and I'll be heading home Sunday 53 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:37.480 around noontime. So enough for me rambling. We'll talk about 54 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.920 a little bit of this later. We may, you know, 55 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.920 repeat this. I may share some of this again if 56 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:48.120 you have any questions. One more thing too talk about 57 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:50.240 West Virginia, and I don't I didn't bring it up 58 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:55.079 here to post on here, but April eleventh, April eleventh, 59 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:59.480 there is a Bigfoot town hall gathering at the in 60 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:04.839 parks Burg, West Virginia at the Oh my goodness, I 61 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:08.319 should have had this written down at the Parkersburg Wood 62 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:14.439 County Library and I will be there April eleventh. Hopefully 63 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:18.600 we gather some reports, some story I hope people anyone 64 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:20.519 who has stories, I would love to hear from them, 65 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:22.720 because I will have my camera there. I would love 66 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:25.519 to interview them. But I will also be doing a 67 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:30.040 presentation there also in the same month of April. Right 68 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:33.439 here in Virginia, I do have a flyer for this 69 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:38.800 Let's talk Bigfoot. It's a town hall gathering happening in Waynesboro, 70 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:44.319 Virginia at the Waynesboro Public Library April twenty fifth, from 71 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.600 ten am to one thirty pm. And so right around 72 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:52.639 eleven thirty I will we start my presentation. We will 73 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:55.319 be having some of our equipment there on display to 74 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.839 kind of show people some of the stuff that we 75 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:00.639 use and what we like to use is that we 76 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.120 you know, we'd love to experiment with. So but yeah, 77 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:07.720 this is gonna be taking place twenty fifth. It's the 78 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:11.839 Waynesboro Public Library from ten am to one thirty pm. 79 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.639 So be sure to check this out and tune in 80 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.000 This is exciting. Uh. You know, we love to talk 81 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.639 bigfoot with people. Anytime there's a big foot in the conversation, 82 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:25.360 we're all about it. I love talking bigfoot. I love 83 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:28.839 hearing people the stories and reports. And you know what, 84 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.680 so does our guest. We're gonna be uh bringing our 85 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.040 guests in very shortly as we get started. It's the 86 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:38.000 latest gentle with bear with me as I get this 87 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:46.759 situated here, let's bring in our crew members here, David 88 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.639 and Melissa. Hey, how you guys doing tonight? David and Melissa? 89 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:52.680 We're doing that right, doing great? 90 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:53.319 Another night? 91 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:53.920 Another night? 92 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.040 Oh yeah. One thing I do want to throw out 93 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:02.040 there too for everybody listening to night and next weekend, 94 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:06.759 next week will be the last podcast for a while because, 95 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.560 as you guys know, I like it for we're in 96 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:13.759 podcast seasons. So, but as of next weekend, we have 97 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.120 one more guest, but he will be on not next Friday, 98 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:22.879 but next Saturday. Dave Scott. He's actually having me on 99 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:26.360 his podcast that Thursday night. Then he's gonna be our 100 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:30.240 guest on our podcast on Saturday night. So and then 101 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.600 after that I am going to keep the schedule open 102 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:36.680 and clear because that's you know we're getting nicer weather. 103 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.839 I got stuff going on. My grandson is bugging me. 104 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.759 When are we gonna go camping again? Grandpa so soon? 105 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.680 And singing and so so yeah. I want to make 106 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:49.480 sure there's time available to make sure I get him 107 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:51.560 out there in those woods, you know. And then plus 108 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:53.720 we got our group camp out coming up in May. 109 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.399 But before we bring our guests on, I wanted to 110 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:02.079 ask you guys, was there any announcements or anything that 111 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.120 you guys wanted to share or throw out there before 112 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:05.759 we bring Mike in here. 113 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:08.639 No, it's glad to bring them in before you fall 114 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:09.360 asleep on us. 115 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:16.399 Not a problem. Here we are, Mike, Welcome to tonight's podcast. 116 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:17.000 How you doing. 117 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:21.000 Oh, I'm doing great. It's fantastic to be here with 118 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.560 you guys, the E C B R O. So I'm 119 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:27.639 looking forward to this awesome. 120 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.560 I'm glad to have you on here. I know you 121 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:32.759 seem pretty busy a lot of times, you know, And 122 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:34.799 I know you're pretty much well involved with a lot 123 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:38.039 of this, you know, And I watched I haven't watched 124 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.279 anything recently because I'm not sure for you actually put 125 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:42.960 anything out reasons. But over the years I've watched a 126 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.080 lot of your you know, your Facebook lives and your 127 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:48.480 shows and stuff, and I love the way you go 128 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:51.320 about doing things. I love how you're you know, you know, 129 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:54.840 you you're serious, but you know, like I feel like 130 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:57.000 you throw some humor in there, but you're being dead 131 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:59.120 serious at the same time when you talk and present, 132 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:01.440 you know, and I love it. 133 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:05.080 You gotta have fun with it, so, I mean, you 134 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:11.279 have to, so it's otherwise it's very gedious, very boring. 135 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.840 So yeah, I think part of what I find entertaining 136 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:19.480 is like some of the stuff I've watched me like, 137 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:21.720 like you'll bring up people's names when you're trying to 138 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.519 clear something when there's an issue or even if it's 139 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:27.919 a somebody trying to bring drama up and getting you involved. 140 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:29.879 You're trying to clear the you know, clear the you 141 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:32.279 know smoke, you know, let me show you, let me 142 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:34.639 tell you what I you know, feel pretty much kind 143 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:36.919 of thing, you know, stuff like that, you know. So 144 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:41.039 I know, I've dealt with all kinds of crazy people 145 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:42.639 you know over. 146 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:47.519 Yea, So I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that 147 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:48.000 a bit. 148 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.519 So well, my, uh, what got you started in this hell? 149 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:52.639 Long? 150 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.440 Have you been in this uh field. 151 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.320 So for me, it started in eighty three, eighty four 152 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:04.120 with the third grade. I just it was just a 153 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:07.159 trip to the school library, is all it was. You know, 154 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.399 all the kids line up at the door. We walked 155 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:15.000 down and I found this book by John Green called 156 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:19.240 on the Track of Bigfoot. And I checked the book 157 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.960 out and I to this day still't have it. So 158 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:26.600 I owe a huge fine for this book if that 159 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.799 school ever goes to collect But yeah, I still have 160 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:36.840 that book to this day. And so yeah, and it 161 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:40.080 just I was flipping through, you know, of course I 162 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:43.960 read it. But in the middle of the book was 163 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.440 a picture of Patty in that frame, you know, at 164 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:51.440 three fifty seven fifty two where she's facing. 165 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:53.240 The camera, and. 166 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:59.080 I that picture drove me insane because I realized there's 167 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:04.960 so much missing in that picture, and it's the information 168 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:08.639 around it. I had to know more, what is it? 169 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:10.879 What does it do? Where does it live, what does 170 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:14.480 it eat? Where does it sleep, how does it function? 171 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:21.039 How does it And with my ADHD, that just grabbed 172 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:25.279 me and it was my go to and kind of 173 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.200 really my life saver at one point in my life. 174 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:34.919 So yeah, it was just my go to thing. Back then, 175 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.799 you weren't autistic or blah blah blah blah blah blah. 176 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:42.440 You were either that horrible R. 177 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:46.960 Word retarded, You were learning disabled, or that was it, 178 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:50.320 you was mentally retarded. You was learning to say. They 179 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.360 didn't know about ADHD, And so the schools always labeled 180 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.000 me as learning disabled. And my dad figured it out 181 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:03.480 out and he said, learning disabled my ass because I 182 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:08.960 got a hundred on my hunting nixam. And my dad 183 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:14.039 was like, he's not learning disabled. Heal me focuses on 184 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:18.799 what he wants to focus on, period, and that's all 185 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.879 he's going on. And as soon as everyone figured that out, 186 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:25.440 the teachers found ways to keep me entertained and keep 187 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.320 me engaged basically. 188 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:31.240 But Bigfoot was my go. 189 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:32.159 To So. 190 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:52.559 I can tell you, I can tell Williams alive now, Yeah, 191 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:54.879 say the name of that book again that you got 192 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:55.840 when he was in third grade. 193 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.720 So it was on the Track or on the Trail 194 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:03.039 of Bigfoot by John Green, and two people wrote the 195 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.720 exact same book, like there was a merriam t place 196 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:11.639 or palace that wrote the same title of the same 197 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.639 book the same year, almost the same cover. And I thought, 198 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.639 but I never read that one because again at ADHD, 199 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.120 I read this one. This is the one I like, 200 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:26.240 this is the one I want, So that's the one 201 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:30.279 I focused on. And yeah, it just to this. 202 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:34.960 I had that so at when I left for the Navy. 203 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:38.000 That book had rubber bands around it because when you 204 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.159 opened it, all the pages fell out and you had 205 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:42.720 to put all the numbers back in order. So when 206 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:45.240 you read it, you had to put a page over here, 207 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.080 read the next page, put it over on the pile, 208 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:50.679 Read the next page, put it on the pile. And 209 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:54.679 I had handwritten notes all through it. And my mom 210 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:57.879 swear she has it in a trunk somewhere over at 211 00:13:57.919 --> 00:13:58.559 her place. 212 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:07.360 So yeah, yeah, John Green, among a few others. He's 213 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.279 considered one of the four horsemen of the Big community 214 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:10.919 pretty much. 215 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:13.759 Yeah, hit him, Grover Krants. 216 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:18.960 I mean, they were my John Wayne's growing up. 217 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:20.440 They were my heroes. 218 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.399 I mean, if it was Saturday morning, I was watching 219 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.440 Bill Dance outdoors, if it was in the afternoon, I 220 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:32.039 was watching John Wayne. And if it was a book, 221 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:35.679 or it was Bigfoot, and it was Grover, it was Renee, 222 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:43.559 it was Green. Yeah, oh crap, now he can't think 223 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.440 of his name figures. 224 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.279 I'll think of it in ten minutes. 225 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:55.320 Yeah, yeah, there was somebody out there. Let me ask you. 226 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:58.159 I'm just curious. You know, there's a lot of incredible 227 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.559 foot besides, well look, let me let me start with, 228 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.440 what's what's your take on the Pattistine? How do you 229 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:06.320 see and do that? 230 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:07.759 So? 231 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:12.240 I just I love it, But there's way too much 232 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:18.039 because again the way my brain works, I see Patty, 233 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.600 I see when you watch the whole film, Yeah, you know, 234 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:27.639 you notice Patterson is running because the camera's going everywhere right, 235 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.759 and then you see the log and you can tell 236 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:34.600 that the camera gets popped up, and then for just 237 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:38.120 those few seconds, it's so still and nice, and you 238 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:41.840 have the movement, you have the armswing, you have the 239 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:47.200 head turn, and something just tells you it's not a person. 240 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:51.120 But I need that information around it. 241 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:51.639 I got it. 242 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.440 If it ain't a person, what it what is it? 243 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.960 What's it doing there? Where's it going? Why is it 244 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:01.919 where it is? I mean why why right there? I'm 245 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:05.639 that particular pinpoint on the map and not one hundred 246 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.679 yards that way? Why is it right here and right? 247 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:13.919 Those little details kill me, They'll drive me nuts. 248 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.120 Yeah, if I could add something to that, you know. 249 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.000 You know, first of all, like I've told many people 250 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:25.279 and on podcast myself, that footage alone, it was a 251 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.799 big part, not the only thing, but a big part 252 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:29.639 of what got me involved with this in the first place. 253 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:31.840 And I think I speak for so many others out 254 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:36.279 there too. Oh yeah, it was a fascinated footage. But 255 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.679 then if you start looking into a lot of deeper 256 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:43.720 details waiting here. Well, just the year prior to this film, 257 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:47.799 Roger Pattinson himself just put out a book. On the 258 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:49.919 cover there was a female sasquatch. 259 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:51.279 Yeah. 260 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:56.519 Catch. Then a year later then they filmed Patty coincidence, 261 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.960 you know whatever, right, you know, So there's things like that, 262 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.559 like you're like, what's going on here? But then again, 263 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.200 they're going out to the woods, they're going out the 264 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.839 bluff creak to film a big foot. Hey, they happen 265 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.960 to get glucky and film at big point. Coincidence or not, 266 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:13.880 you know, So those are things that can make you 267 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:16.920 scratch your head, like these red flags. But then again 268 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:20.079 we look at the other alternatives like okay, wait a minute, 269 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:23.359 uh no, I should say alternatives, but look at the 270 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.960 other situation like well, Hollywood did not have this equipment 271 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:30.400 to produce this, So they Disney did not have the 272 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:34.839 you know, technology to produce this. But then there was 273 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:38.559 footcasts that were found the studies and analyzed and proven 274 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:41.160 to be. Hey, this is something from a real flesh 275 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.799 and blood creature, the Gateway and everything else in between. 276 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:48.079 They can't prepare a match to a human gateway, you know. 277 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.599 So it's like you're being it's like a tug of 278 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:55.359 war game on this as credibility to it. But this 279 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:58.759 makes it really think otherwise, you know. So that's how 280 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.920 I am. I mean you to stay on a fan, right. 281 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.119 William has a question on here. I'm not even familiar 282 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.640 with this. He's William is saying that this is William Nighthawk. 283 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.960 What do you think about the m K davis research 284 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:16.480 findings about Patty being drawn in by her family and 285 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:17.240 being killed. 286 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.319 I've seen a lot of m K stuff, but I'll 287 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:24.039 I'm yeah. 288 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:31.400 This, yeah, he kinda how does he word it? 289 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:34.880 I guess a computer guru and he does a lot 290 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:39.359 of uh creations, you know, to bring stuff to. 291 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:43.680 Light and videos works with computer. 292 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:48.640 Yeah, yeah, animation draw red lines on stuff. 293 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:53.720 But game it is no different than any of us 294 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:55.319 playing with a computer, that's all he is. 295 00:18:55.759 --> 00:19:00.720 Yeah, yeah, I mean I do the exact thing. I 296 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:05.279 tried to, you know, figure out at olenks blah blah blah. 297 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:09.200 But his findings about Patty being drawn in by her 298 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:10.480 family being killed? 299 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:14.279 Where is that? 300 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:14.839 You know? 301 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:17.319 Where does that come from? 302 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:19.160 What you made me want to throw a lot of 303 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.440 stuff out there, but this is your show. I want 304 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:22.200 to get into it. 305 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:24.839 But yeah, I'm sinking the same thing just reading the 306 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.000 question there. I mean, I'm not even familiar with that, 307 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:29.279 but just by reading the question, how would you even 308 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:30.680 know that exactly? 309 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:38.200 And that's so just like yeah, just like Daniel said, 310 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:42.519 you know, Patterson made the book right, and then he 311 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:46.920 films Patty Well, he was an alcoholic and THAT'X rodeo 312 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:53.880 writer broke off his ass. He bounced the check that 313 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:58.480 he rented the camera with, and then he shoots this 314 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:03.400 immaculate piece of footage that no one on the playing it. 315 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:08.200 So either he was the luckiest broke guy on the planet, 316 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:12.920 I mean absolutely lucky, or he pulled. 317 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:15.720 Off the world's best oaks. 318 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:20.359 It's one or the other, and it's it's it's apples 319 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:21.160 and oranges. 320 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:22.400 There's no middle. 321 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.400 Coud you can't have a half feate Patty or a 322 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.079 half real bigfoot. It's either a person or it's a 323 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:35.839 big foot, and it leaves it to the imagination exactly. 324 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:38.960 I'm right there with you. But you know, the whole emptying. 325 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:43.480 You know, when all he was doing anything, I mean, 326 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.400 back when I was very blunt and more I was 327 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:52.519 spoken on a lot of stuff, it was uh oh there, 328 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:57.440 put your head then, No, I didn't touch nothing, Okay, 329 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:02.799 But yeah, the whole Mka Davis situation, I mean he 330 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:05.039 got I mean, he must have been bored out of 331 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:11.000 his freaking mind. You know, he just uh, he just 332 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:12.559 got bored out of his mind and start playing with 333 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:14.680 the computers. Say I'm gonna make up these colors and 334 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:17.400 play with see what I can do the adding contrast 335 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:21.440 to this image and these greenshots. Yeah, hey, look at 336 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:23.799 the blood, the puddle of blood there. You know, hey, 337 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:28.400 there was a masker here, right, Yeah, no evidence of this, 338 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:31.200 but your imagination is that you create this. You got 339 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:34.559 software on your computer that changes colors on ship. You 340 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:39.240 know what I mean. I'm now, yeah, I mean, you're right. 341 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.960 I think a lot of people that would be the 342 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.000 best way to be politically correct if I was going 343 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:51.519 to attempt that. I guess a lot of people try 344 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:55.480 to find a niche to where they don't care about 345 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:57.960 the research, they don't care about the history, that they 346 00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:03.880 just want to be big famous period. And I think 347 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:08.000 for him at that time, because now I can just 348 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.160 hit a button and say, hey, Jim and I do 349 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:12.559 this to this film. 350 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:13.920 Okay, Mike, I. 351 00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:17.599 Will do that, and then yeah, Bayham, here it is. 352 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:20.480 But at that time he had that ability to do so, 353 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:21.839 which made him look smart. 354 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:22.960 Run. 355 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:29.920 So yeah, it's like Ron moorehead right that the guy 356 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:34.440 who recorded the Sierra sounds all great. But then on 357 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:37.920 this last TV show I watched him, he said that 358 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:43.200 Bigfoot the materializes, absorbs into a tree and that's how 359 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:46.720 it recharges, like you were plugging in your cell phone, 360 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:50.759 and then it comes out of the tree and rematerializes. 361 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:54.319 And I'm like, this, sum bitch. Did the Sierra sound? 362 00:22:55.000 --> 00:23:00.839 The Sierra sound like the Holy Grail of audio? And 363 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.839 now this guy's telling me that Bigfoot will de materialize, 364 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:08.720 charge its batteries inside of a tree and then pop 365 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:13.559 out and re become Bigfoot. It's like what happened here? 366 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:17.720 So yeah, I'm not so familiar with that part, but 367 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.559 speaking scientifically, trees give off energy. 368 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:28.400 Oh yeah, absolutely, yes, right, yeah, yeah, everything, because I 369 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:30.799 even like, I have a friend who can't go deer 370 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.839 hunting without a heck suit because they put out so 371 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.119 much electromagnetic they cut and kill a deer. 372 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.960 If God himself was pointing the barrel for him, I mean, 373 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.200 he just can't get close to him. So he has 374 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:46.000 to wear one of those heck suits that trap all 375 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:49.359 that stuff then because deer pick up on it. 376 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:56.960 So yeah, well I'm not exactly sure that real quick. 377 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:03.119 Okay, So hex technology it's HX and what it is. 378 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:08.559 They found out that everybody has electromagnetic waves and it 379 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:12.359 was first discovered with sharks, and that's how sharks can 380 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:18.240 kind of hunt. They can sense this electromatic vibration of 381 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.160 a fish trying to swim away. It puts out like 382 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:24.440 a pulse, so a shark can tract that to the 383 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:27.720 fish even in a dark and you know, bite the 384 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:31.160 little bugger and have a nice meal. Well then they 385 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.799 start testing it on other wildlife and they found out 386 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:38.200 that yeah, these guys who were going out hunting, trap 387 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:43.200 and going after these animals, wildlife ittographers, some of them 388 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:46.960 can get close to these animals for some reason, and 389 00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:50.920 some of these guys can't. So what this heck suit 390 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.680 does is it block It's almost like a wearable magnet, 391 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.599 I guess for lack of a better term, but it 392 00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:03.039 traps your electron magnetic feel that the human body, the 393 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.960 heart mainly in your brain, automatically put out. It just 394 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.359 stops that electromagnetic because they found out in the hunting 395 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.799 world that gear can pick up on it, and the 396 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:21.160 suit blocks that from being able to be noticed. And 397 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:23.960 when it first came out, I'm like, nah, I don't 398 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.359 buy it. But then I went to a Honeynecks bow 399 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:28.799 and they held this machine up to me and it 400 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:32.720 went like ver and the needle barely moved. And my buddy, 401 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:36.400 who never gets his deer, they hit him and it 402 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:40.880 was like nastle lit up. There was sirens, there was bells. 403 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.160 He just had this crazy pulse and I was like, 404 00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:48.440 you're kidding me. So they put this suit on them 405 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:50.920 and then they ran it over them again. It's just 406 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.640 like a sleeve you put on. And when they reran 407 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:56.319 it over them, it was the tone of mind that 408 00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:58.640 the needle barely moved, and it was just. 409 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:01.480 I'm like, what. 410 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:06.160 But it made sense to me because you're just machine 411 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:10.400 showing it to me with an actual readoubt and you know, 412 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:10.839 it's like. 413 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:13.160 A many many, many volt meter. 414 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:15.799 And then when you get to looking into it, you 415 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.599 find out that your brain puts out so many micro 416 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.720 volts micro amps, every beat of your heart puts out 417 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:27.720 x amount of whatever, and your static electricity. 418 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.680 Well, you can make it basically a correlation with that. 419 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.759 I'm sure you've experienced it many people. I know, I 420 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:36.440 have the words. Sometimes you can just be aroused somebody 421 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:42.079 for the first time and you just get that vibe, yeah, 422 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.319 that you don't want to associate with them, or there's 423 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:46.640 something not right with them. I mean it's not every 424 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:50.920 day you feel that, but a couple of times, you. 425 00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:55.359 Know, Yeah, and even reversal that where you might walk 426 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:59.400 by someone and for some reason you think that person 427 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:05.160 was really pleasant and I don't you know, yeah, and 428 00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:07.480 then there's somewhere they walk by and it's like you 429 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.319 keep going asshole and you go on about your way. 430 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:14.799 Well, yeah, it's well, yeah, as. 431 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.559 Far as Bigfook goes. Uh, I'm not an experienced I 432 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:19.400 haven't seen anymore any think. Yeah, that's why we're out 433 00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:21.960 doing research. Sorry, about five years ago with Daniel, he 434 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.079 got us involved in this. We've always had the interest 435 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.039 what kind of research do you do? How deep do 436 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.480 you get into the research to where you back from 437 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.599 the third grade up until now where we're at. 438 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:38.400 So I kept up with the I guess, the armchair 439 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:43.279 aspect all through high school, all the way up til 440 00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:49.359 I graduated, because even though the Minerva Monster incident happened, 441 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:56.319 I didn't think every every book I ever read was California, California, California, Pacific, 442 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.319 Northwest Pacific, Northwest California, and I thought that that was 443 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.839 just where they were. So through the beginning years it 444 00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.319 was all armchair. And then when I joined the Navy, 445 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.680 they put me in Gulfport, Mississippi, and I found these 446 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.519 old boys at the general store and they were telling 447 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:17.920 me some stories and you know, like, hey, if I 448 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:21.319 went out to the swamps, am I going to get 449 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:22.359 eaten by a gator? 450 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:25.200 I just want to go see the swamps? You know what? 451 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:29.000 Do I need to worry about them? And then the 452 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:31.480 one guy had started of all things, he brought up 453 00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:34.400 Boggy Creek and I'm like, well, yeah, that's just the 454 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.799 next state over and He's like, yeah, but it's right here. 455 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:40.039 And I was like, well, you mean it's right here 456 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:45.240 Boggy Creek. And he's like, no, the monster, the Boggie 457 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.519 Creek Monster, it's back there in our swamps. Now I'm like, 458 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.720 I gotta go to the swamps. So then I started 459 00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:55.880 doing that. Well, then I got sent to Cuba, where 460 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:58.480 I've never heard of bigfoot anything, and it was back 461 00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:02.640 to the armchair. Then I got sent to California and 462 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.119 I was like, oh my god, I was in the 463 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:11.599 to me the Holy Grail. So in ninety five ninety six, 464 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.680 I was running the O High Mountains O j h 465 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.880 I and that was every weekend. 466 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:23.359 I was what the world I was learning off to 467 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:27.480 the damn come to get. 468 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:27.799 Me back there. 469 00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:32.160 That was my phone. 470 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:37.440 That that's a predator sounds. Yeah, a predator sound on 471 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:38.480 the phone. 472 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:42.160 Okay, I hear it every podcast, so I get you. 473 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:46.720 Sometimes I throwose people for a loop. 474 00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.559 I like it. 475 00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.880 I'm not used to wearing the headphone, so it was 476 00:29:54.079 --> 00:30:01.519 right there on me. I'm like, yeah, California though, it 477 00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.640 was you know, I was one of those people that 478 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.599 I left home, came back, left home, came back left home, 479 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.079 came back, and I said, that's it. I'm done. I'm 480 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.960 not leaving again. I'm just stuck here. But then I 481 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:19.160 started hearing about old stuff about don keating and stuff 482 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:24.960 about Ohio and Cashockton and how it was like that 483 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.160 was the name I was trying to think of earlier, 484 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:28.839 Lauren Coleman. 485 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:30.839 Yeah, and he said that. 486 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.920 He you know, he put shock in Ohio on the 487 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:38.039 top ten places of his list that placed to see 488 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:42.480 an encounter a bigfoot and I'm like, oh crap. So, 489 00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.759 you know, then I started buying gear, camera, binoculars. I 490 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:51.759 was already bow hunting, already hunting, so I had most 491 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:56.160 of my normal outdoor gear. But then it went to, 492 00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.799 uh now it's night vision cameras. 493 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.319 Got a thermal, I got a drone. 494 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:08.160 I love tech. I loved a lot of people hate techna. 495 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.440 I love technology. I love anything I can play with 496 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:16.240 that has buttons. And I've crashed a lot of drones 497 00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:20.000 because of that, but I've gotten some great footage because 498 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:23.440 of that. At the same time of landscapes and whatnot, 499 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:27.440 trying to see that what's over the hill, Well, why 500 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:29.640 hike over that hill? And I can just send a 501 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.200 drone and it can look for me. You know, I 502 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.599 can stay on this side, it can do that side, 503 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:39.680 and we'll meet in the middle. So yeah, that's his 504 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:53.279 Oh good lord. So that started as a I was 505 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.720 at the Hawking Hills big Foot Festival and out of 506 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.960 the blue, without my knowing, I get well, they were 507 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:04.480 doing the Bigfoot call contest and I walked down there 508 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.680 to do the contest. The next thing I know, I'm 509 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.839 on the stage with the microphone. Like my whole day 510 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.799 just got flipped right there. And during the the calling 511 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:18.119 contest and me just being typical idiot me, I'm like, 512 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.880 don't expect guys to do great because I'm an Olympic 513 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:26.400 gold medalist and squatch calling, but I'll go easy when 514 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:31.440 I judge you. And that's where the whole expert came through. 515 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.799 I got an Olympic gold medal and squatch calling what 516 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.640 I told like thirty thousand people or whatever. 517 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:42.960 That's very cool. There's one thing I need you to 518 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:47.839 do for me, though this is regarding a comment earlier. 519 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:51.799 I need you to say something for me. Okay, I 520 00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:53.839 need you to say get. 521 00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:56.920 Her done, get it done. 522 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:01.880 You on to chat with saying you sound just like 523 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:06.799 uh Larry the cable guy. I. 524 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.000 Well, my family's from Virginia. 525 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:11.799 I still have property there, so that's where I get 526 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:14.599 my little bit of Southern accident from. 527 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:16.799 Yeah, and then my. 528 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.359 So we I used to work at car Quest and 529 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.480 we had a guy come in and he always said, 530 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.799 one of these days, I'm going to make a cartoon, 531 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:27.039 but you have to be one of my characters. Oh yeah, 532 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:32.039 Like all right, He's like, I just like the way 533 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:34.559 you talk, you know, like I just. 534 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:35.279 Talk to me. 535 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.599 It's just every day normal talking. I didn't know I 536 00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.000 had a specific genre, you. 537 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:46.599 Know, or what You're very unique exactly exactly. 538 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:56.079 That way evariance or anything like that. Yourself sounds visual. 539 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.000 Yeah. 540 00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:05.680 So I have a pretty good amount of audio recordings. 541 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:09.639 I call it the Big Audio Net where I bought 542 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:14.960 a series of recorders and I can run them twelve 543 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.719 miles in a straight line every half mile interval, or 544 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.760 I can put them out in a grid, and I 545 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:26.039 got a timer on them where they'll turn on at 546 00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:30.159 about an hour before dusk, and then I can have 547 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.199 them turn off whenever I want to preserve batteries, so 548 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.639 that way they can stay out and work for me 549 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.599 longer than just turning them on and wait until the 550 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:40.559 battery dies. 551 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.360 I can get about a week out of them. Okay, 552 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:45.239 so I've got a. 553 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:48.599 Lot of really interest in the audios that way. I 554 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:53.440 have had one siding one. 555 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:54.920 What was that. 556 00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:56.440 One? 557 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:01.960 Did? I really think I've seen what I thought I saw, And. 558 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:06.559 I've had a lot of maybes, but I definitely the 559 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:11.039 one was just plain as day, well, plain as night, 560 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:18.400 just right there. So and yeah, that one shook me 561 00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:23.360 to my core because it went outside of the normal. 562 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.719 Of what I thought a bigfoot should be or should do. 563 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:34.800 It was nighttime, and I think we were kind of 564 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.840 like getting what we had been out on a day hike. 565 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.880 We were going to set up that night, and we 566 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.480 decided to take a little break in the middle. So 567 00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.880 we fired up the grill, which we always did. Uh, 568 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:50.360 We're sitting at a pavilion. We got hot dogs on 569 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:55.679 the grill and my little, uh fierce little puppy, Brena Cole, 570 00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:02.639 little Boston Terrier. She's just out killing sticks because sticks 571 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.599 are not allowed to come within thirty feet of daddy 572 00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.519 or she'll kill them. So she's out making sure that 573 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.679 I'm safe from many sticks that might be laying on 574 00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:18.920 the ground. And this little dog is legit fearless. So 575 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.840 I'll back up real quick. So it was Christmas time. 576 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.960 We had gone out shopping and we just bought gift bags. 577 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:25.679 We went to the. 578 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:28.800 Next down and went to Walmart. We go inside Walmart, 579 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.000 we come out of Walmart. The door of the van 580 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:36.079 is open and there's this little Bosston terrier with the 581 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.360 red face where someone had opened up the van and 582 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:41.280 got into it and she. 583 00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:42.760 Ripped them a new one. 584 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:47.360 So yeah, so this is my little Brie. Well, she 585 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:50.000 comes running to me and she jumps up on my 586 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:54.480 lap and she turns around and she starts growling at 587 00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.280 the woods. And my first thought is, get the hell 588 00:36:58.360 --> 00:36:59.000 up off me. 589 00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.679 If you're going to fiss something, mob, don't jump on me. 590 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.159 You're on your own. And keep going over there. And 591 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:06.480 I'm looking. I'm looking. 592 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:11.480 I'm looking, and I'm like, I don't see anything, and 593 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.360 there's just nothing out there. I mean, there's a pole 594 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.360 light up there, but the light when we go so 595 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.079 far because it's got one of the big meadow strouds 596 00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:23.559 around it, and so I'm looking where the light meets 597 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.800 the dark. I'm looking beyond that and I don't see anything. 598 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:31.559 And we're in a squatchy area, of course. So I'm 599 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.199 looking for what I thought I should be looking for. 600 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.280 I'm looking up. I'm looking, you know, six to eight 601 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:41.039 feet off the ground. There's nothing I do. I don't 602 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:45.320 see any deer. And I finally lean back and I 603 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.360 looked right between her ears and down her snout, like 604 00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:51.719 I was aiming her like a gun. And it was 605 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.480 when I did that that I caught just a hint 606 00:37:54.559 --> 00:38:00.639 of movement, and so I leaned back up, and here's 607 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.880 this Figurus thing. 608 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.920 On the ground on all fours. 609 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.880 And it's moving sideways, but it's like hand over fifth 610 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:16.960 like it's moving sideways like that. It's dead facing me, 611 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:21.840 but moving dead sideways. And I'm like, none of the 612 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:26.119 pictures I ever seen did anything like this, because I'm 613 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:28.840 supposed to be on two legs. It's supposed to be 614 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.320 up and walk like me. It ain't supposed to be 615 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:36.159 down low hiding on sneaky craft. And it gets to 616 00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.679 a tree and you see these armish things come up 617 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.079 behind a tree and I can't make out any detail, 618 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.440 but I can make out a shape, and you see 619 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.039 it look around the tree, look around the tree, and 620 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.239 then it does that crawling it and it's dead facing me. 621 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:56.840 It's not turned sideways, it's dead facing me, moving dead sideways. 622 00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.360 And it gets to the next tree, and again you 623 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.360 see this peered up and looked side and side side, 624 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.159 and I'm like, is this a goofy bear? Am I 625 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:11.000 seeing something stupid? And it's sideway, sideway sideways until it 626 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:15.840 gets to the brush and then it turns broadside. But 627 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:20.960 it was facing towards where it came from, and it 628 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:25.360 went as first into the brush. It backed into the 629 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.360 brush and backed into this tall grass and I couldn't 630 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.880 see it anymore. And then straight up all the grass 631 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:38.159 came this towering thing and I'm like, holy, that's what 632 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.440 I'm And then it turned and it went down through 633 00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.880 the woods and it sounded like a seven forty seven crashing. 634 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:48.679 But I didn't see, like the shape of the nose, 635 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:54.679 the shape of the mouth, didn't have ears, I don't know. 636 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:59.239 It would just look black and fuzzy and just dark 637 00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:03.480 and fuzzy, like shadow moving, but you could tell it 638 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:04.440 wasn't a shadow. 639 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:09.039 You could tell it was a thing. And then when 640 00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:11.400 it came up out of the grass, I was. 641 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:17.320 Like wow, because that's when it hit me just how 642 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.920 big this thing is that I'm running around looking for. 643 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:26.000 And I started to question my life decisions. 644 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:29.400 Like why am I looking for? What am I going 645 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:30.599 to do? I catch it? 646 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.079 I mean, what am I gonna do if I get corner? 647 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:34.760 What I'm looking for? 648 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:35.400 This thing? 649 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.559 And because it was massive and it was just a 650 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.760 split second and then it just crashed down through the 651 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:46.840 woods and I was like, I'm just blown away. The 652 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.800 wife was with me, and so like two weeks before, 653 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.480 she had seen red eyeshine in the woods, and we 654 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.360 always do recreation before we go out, and we try 655 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.880 to rebuild everything that happened, and we discovered that it 656 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:06.920 was about seven and a half feet off of the 657 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:11.320 ground these so she every time we went there, that's 658 00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.960 where her focus was, like hoping that same thing would 659 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:15.800 happen again. 660 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.480 And we've all done it, you know. 661 00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.119 It's like you go to your favorite spot where something happened, 662 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.719 it's like it's going to happen the exact replay. I'm 663 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.400 going to get a play by play again, Tony, And 664 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.360 that's your hope. So she's looking up the and I'm 665 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.639 looking the OX. So she's phasing that way and I'm 666 00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.400 facing this way, kind of deal, and she. 667 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:36.800 Heard the crash. 668 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.559 She because next thing I know, she's walking up towards 669 00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.719 the edge of the asphalt where the grass hits and 670 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:49.280 she's now looking down. But she didn't see because I couldn't. 671 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:54.199 I tried to get her attention, but all I could 672 00:41:54.199 --> 00:42:01.719 get was like I couldn't. It was like just being 673 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:06.320 choked by the devil or something. I was shaking my 674 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.519 I was excited, I was happy. I was shitting myself, 675 00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:14.119 and I just couldn't get my voice box to work. 676 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:20.440 I sounded like a little girl, I mean love as 677 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:20.800 all I. 678 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.719 Can do is squeek and I'm like, damn it, ma'am. 679 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.480 So I couldn't go for help if my life depended 680 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.679 on it. And I could tell that was a fear. 681 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:36.320 It was just I was that scared that I couldn't talk. 682 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:42.599 And yeah, that was my one big that. I mean, 683 00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:47.199 I got a really cool, badass Thermo capture last year. 684 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.800 But it was at one hundred and eighty seven yards away. Yes, 685 00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.639 you can tell something there, but it wasn't that forty 686 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:59.119 yards away. It's right there, I'm right here, We're within 687 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.079 reach each other. I mean, yeah, when it's like hunting, 688 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.159 you know, at Thermo, it was cold, but I wasn't scared. 689 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:08.360 In fact, I went. 690 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.719 Towards Yeah, well though I tried to, but I ended 691 00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:12.760 up going for a swell. 692 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:13.679 That's good you all. 693 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:15.719 Keep going back. A lot of people walk away their 694 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.159 first experience with the PTSD and stuff, and they never 695 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:23.039 go back into freaking woods again. So and plus that happened. 696 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.000 Plus you made it evident you don't account for every 697 00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.719 shadow and everything you see as going. 698 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:29.400 To be a bigfoot. 699 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.639 You say, maybe what it is you know what today, 700 00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:38.000 but you did encounter. So that puts more validity behind stories. 701 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.119 And a lot of people out there they think every shadow, 702 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:43.440 they see, every branch to hear crack, it's a big foot. 703 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.000 It's a bigfoot. If you can't put anything behind it 704 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:48.960 and back it up, we don't know what it is. 705 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.119 So it's good I was getting it down to earth 706 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:52.480 and real. 707 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:53.039 I like that. 708 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:58.119 Yeah, and that because and I've been with those people. 709 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.760 It was a group I wasn't associate aided with. We 710 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:02.599 just happened to be at the same place at the 711 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.599 same time, at a popular state park, and I was 712 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.639 just getting ready to leave. It's like, you know what, 713 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.239 I'm going to give these guys the area. I'll go 714 00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:15.400 somewhere else. And it was fall time and right here 715 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.440 this huge walnut tree, and walnuts would like one every 716 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.960 ten to fifteen minutes, land and hit on bang on 717 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:26.400 the ten roof and then they'd roll all And this 718 00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:29.760 guy's like, that's a bigfoot. That's a bigfoot throwing rocks 719 00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:33.119 at us. I'm like, no, dumbass, that's a walnut tree 720 00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:33.719 right there. 721 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:35.800 We have literally, yeah, we have. 722 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:39.440 I say that we've got a wale on tree, a 723 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.280 camp with stuff. You're here and drop every now and 724 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:41.840 then the stuff. 725 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:45.239 Yeah, yea. They make some big rockets sometimes depending on 726 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:46.199 what they're landing on. 727 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:47.320 Yeah. 728 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:51.280 Now that doesn't mean that at the same time, walnuts 729 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.800 can't be falling in the fall time and a big 730 00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:55.079 foot can't be throwing. 731 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:59.480 Rocks at you. But I would expect a rock to skip. 732 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.960 By me on the seen that bad where the picnic 733 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.719 tables were, or hit a picnic table. I would like 734 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:10.199 to think if that big foot has better aim than 735 00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:12.599 to miss me by a forty foot roof. 736 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:17.280 Yeah, so what's the Yeah. 737 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:21.440 The incident that you were you were just talking and explaining, Uh, 738 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:23.480 you did mention the state park where they have to 739 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:24.880 be salt for crying chance. 740 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:26.159 Yeah it was. 741 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.760 I was gonna ask you about that because I've only 742 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.960 been there one time, and that was back in two thousands. Yeah, 743 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:34.960 back at during one of the conferences they had the 744 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:39.239 Ohio Ohio and uh, yeah, I stayed at a cabin 745 00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:42.840 when I went there, and talk about beautiful area. I mean, 746 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.440 oh my gosh. I did some exploring up behind the cabin, 747 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:48.239 which if you keep going up the hill from where 748 00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:50.280 we were at, it would bring you right to the lodge, 749 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.039 the main lodge. Yeah, but there was some cool stuff 750 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:55.239 right there behind the cabin. 751 00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:55.840 Uh. 752 00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.639 And it looked like a cave right behind us. Well, 753 00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.000 I mean, I got picture is everything of it. It's 754 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.320 really cool and there's so much of the other area. 755 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.679 I wish I had more time to explore, you know. 756 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:11.599 But uh, but what you know, I know there's other people. 757 00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:13.519 I got people that are there. You know, there's a 758 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:15.920 lot of group camp outs. You know, a lot of 759 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.480 people friends of mind and other people I know from Pennsylvania. Hey, 760 00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.400 we're going to Salt Fork this year and they're doing 761 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.519 like there's you know, they got fifteen twenty people, you know, 762 00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:28.440 but they do this every year and there's other groups 763 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.199 that go there on top of that that are you know, 764 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:31.800 on Bigfoot related or whatever. 765 00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:33.599 You know. 766 00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:35.880 I know there's big productivity up there. I know that. 767 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.320 But what's your take on everybody flooding the area to 768 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.599 go look for big foy at these group campouts? You 769 00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:46.920 know we oh, I mean it's like very flooded with people, 770 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:47.480 you know. 771 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:50.679 Yeah, I'm about to piss off a lot of. 772 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:51.719 Oh in mind. 773 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:59.440 Yeah that The area where this happens is called Group 774 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:05.079 cam And what it is is there's big Foot Ridge, 775 00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.119 which is primitive camping, and it's right on the main 776 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.880 drag of the park, and then you go down the 777 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:14.880 road half a mile and there's the actual campgrounds where 778 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.599 they have showers and all this fun stuff. And then 779 00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.280 you have the lodge and then further down the road 780 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:22.719 you have the marina. 781 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.079 Okay, yeah, well way. 782 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:28.199 Back in the backside of the park is a public 783 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:32.800 wildlife area also the Buckeye Trail, the one hundred and 784 00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:36.280 seventy three mile trail you can hike through Ohio and 785 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.840 bits and pieces because they've never connected it, but sure 786 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:41.960 you can hike it. You just have to trust pass 787 00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:46.280 a lot. But anyways, so this area is more of 788 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:50.320 an odn R wildlife area. And you actually, even though 789 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.920 the park rents it, it's owned by the ODNR High 790 00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:56.840 Department Natural Resource and it's way back in this own 791 00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:02.119 little corner. So nobody rents group camp. 792 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.119 And I'm ninety. 793 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:12.000 Percent certain of this. But bigfooters, bigfoot groups, I mean 794 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:16.000 every single weekend of the year, there's a group that 795 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:19.000 does it once a month, and then there's this group 796 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:23.480 that does it when there's a date available in between, 797 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.280 and then this group has camp outs there's a date 798 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.239 available in between, and then the last three groups fight 799 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:33.760 over that last. 800 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:36.000 Spot to see who can call first and get it. 801 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:44.960 And every see, if you watch on Facebook, every flipping weekend. 802 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.559 Something happens like this. 803 00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:53.039 Bigfoot just lives at group camp and nothing else better 804 00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:57.920 to do but mess with campers who happen to be 805 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.480 there looking wore. 806 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:06.159 It right, yeah, and they find it and. 807 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:11.519 It's so nerve wrecking because I have found evidence, sure, 808 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.760 but the pool is so big, how do I know 809 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:20.119 it wasn't hoaxed by the asshole last weekend as well? 810 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.159 I'm going to get somebody, watch you bring me up 811 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.360 Patty cast and rub it into the ground in the 812 00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.559 dirt and then it's like, yeah, that'll get them. 813 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:31.159 I don't know that. 814 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.000 Well, it's funny as you mention that, because I will 815 00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:36.880 tell you this one incident that took place when I 816 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:41.159 was attending the Ohio Big for conference in seventeen twenty seventeen. 817 00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:44.519 During our time there, you know, we were there for 818 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.719 three three nights, you know, and somebody there was a 819 00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:51.559 group that you know, they did their group hiking or 820 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.440 whatever they did while we were there. You know they 821 00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.440 do group camp outs and hiking the big hikes. Yeah, well, 822 00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:01.039 supposing there was oh, somebody find a big for you know, 823 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:04.480 it was I didn't see all the details, but I 824 00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.440 learned that it was actually a hoax, you know, because 825 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.400 there was a big Foot event that weekend and people 826 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.239 went out hiking. Somebody hopes the track and blah blah blah, 827 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.559 and then it was there. But it turned out to 828 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.719 be a hoax. But you know, that's what the problem 829 00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:19.599 is with that kind of place. 830 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:20.000 You know. 831 00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:24.719 That happened to me in uh six o seven, and 832 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.079 I thought I was gonna get into a fifth fight 833 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:31.679 that night because my buddy comes down and he's like, hey, Mike, 834 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:32.679 and I'm like, what's up. 835 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.519 Man. He's like, they've found the track up here. Can 836 00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:36.280 you come and take. 837 00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.480 A look at it? And I'm like sure, I'll come up. 838 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:42.480 And I pull up and there's like a line of people, 839 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:44.559 arms crossed waiting. 840 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.920 For me, and I'm like, what the hell is this? 841 00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:51.599 So I get out and it's like these people are 842 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.800 just waiting for my opinion. It's like, well, let's see, 843 00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:00.400 it's a big foot weekend. There's a track on a 844 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:04.639 sand mound that's right beside the road and has a 845 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:10.679 cookie cutter pattern, a perfect print, and Sam which is like. 846 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:11.639 I don't believe that. 847 00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.519 And they all got mad at me because they knew 848 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.320 for a fact that they found this bigfoot track and 849 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.519 here was this guy tracking on. So they needed a 850 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:26.159 new expert, so they called Eric Altman, who happened to 851 00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:33.960 be there again. Well he showed up and he just 852 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:36.039 walks up and he looks at it and he goes, yeah, 853 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:37.559 look at how cookie cutter that is. 854 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:38.639 That's not really well. 855 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:41.400 Then they got mad at him, and I'm like, great, 856 00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:43.360 that's my time to get the hell up out of here, 857 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.079 because he'd known fitted them off now, so then I 858 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:47.679 was like I got better things to do. 859 00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:48.440 It by time. 860 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:54.519 But it was a big foot weekend and right beside 861 00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:59.559 the road on this sandpile that was like left over 862 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:03.280 from the road department over wintertime, and right in the 863 00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.440 middle of it, at IIH level while you're driving, there's 864 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:10.840 this perfect cookie cutter print. It's like and you people 865 00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:19.679 are legit believing that this is something that's like no, no, that's. 866 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:24.639 No, Wow, that's crazy. 867 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:31.320 But they were so convinced in their mind that's what 868 00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:35.480 it was. That's, you know, in their minds. 869 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.360 I mean, I do want to I do want to 870 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.360 return there, but you know, but here's the thing. My 871 00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:44.960 thing is, if I return there, I'm not gonna tell people, 872 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:48.639 yeah anyway, I mean if I invite people to come 873 00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:52.079 with me, like hey, let's say the weekend, uh, you know, 874 00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.519 a long weekend to go up there. But we're not 875 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:56.159 going to make a public but a lottery. 876 00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:02.159 So I found the sault for that. I'll still occasionally 877 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.519 go there. Most of what I do now is around Woodbury, 878 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:13.599 Mahican Wills Creek, AEP, Hawking Hills, Zielski. 879 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:17.199 I'm going to other but I will still go. But 880 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:18.079 it Saltport. 881 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:23.039 But I found the best trick is to find that 882 00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:26.159 there's a muddy creek system that runs through the park 883 00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:30.480 and it's real wide and it's floatable, and nobody walks 884 00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.599 it because it's always a wet marsh. But with the 885 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:37.320 kayak back air to the high ground, it's like the 886 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:42.280 most inaccessible from foot places of the park, and that's 887 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:46.360 where I have the most interesting stuff happen. That's where 888 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:51.800 I not every time I go, but occasionally. It's like, 889 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:56.280 you go down this kayak trail for maybe three quarters 890 00:53:56.320 --> 00:54:00.199 of a mile, you're away from all the crack. I'm 891 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.920 talking three quarters of a mile of the creek goes 892 00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:06.079 so straight line. I probably went a quarter of a mile, 893 00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:11.119 but it's like there on the bank might be a 894 00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:14.320 muddy track and it might be an older one, but 895 00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.920 it might have what appears to be tow impressions, And 896 00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.360 it's like, I can't count that as a group camper. 897 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:26.719 I can't count that as someone walking chest deep through 898 00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:32.920 weeds in a marsh to put that there, But I 899 00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:36.760 still have to question because of the popularity of the park. 900 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:37.679 It's validity. 901 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:42.199 But there's certain you know, you just have certain mines 902 00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.559 where it's like I don't think that's a person, you know, 903 00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:52.039 So yeah, get a kayak or and rent a canoe whatever, 904 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:56.440 but man, hit that water. Get just get away from 905 00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:58.599 the main popular areas. 906 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:00.880 I can give you. 907 00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:04.719 Some spots on the map to go. And I'll be 908 00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:07.519 at West Virginia too, by the way, So yeah. 909 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.880 Oh nice, it'll be great to be there there. 910 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.960 Yeah, maybe we'll be able to go hit the woods 911 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:14.679 for the first night or something. 912 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:19.400 So well, I'm getting there. I'm getting there early Friday morning. 913 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:22.400 Uh well, I'm hitting out early Friday morning. Get up 914 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:26.800 there because I'm speaking Friday evening there, so right October 915 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.679 October ninth, and then I'll be there Saturday, and then 916 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.159 Sunday I'm leaving out around twelve. 917 00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.760 I'll be there with the vendor tenth so I'm there 918 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:39.599 all weekend. 919 00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:43.480 So yeah, wherever wherever they're placing the speakers as where 920 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:45.119 I'm gonna they're putting, They're putting me up at a 921 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:48.679 cabin there at the park. So yeah, so that should 922 00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:51.440 be I'm saying, come to find out, I'll be out there. 923 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.840 Walsall be there. But RPG from uh you know RBG 924 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:58.039 from Uh yeah, he was in our expensentiy big for 925 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.079 he's uh he already to stay at a cabin, So 926 00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:03.079 I said, cool, it'd be great to meet him. I've 927 00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:07.679 chatted with him on Facebook, but that's about it as well. 928 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:11.199 So yeah, it's gonna be exciting. I've been to the 929 00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.800 I've been to the uh West Virginia Big for Conference 930 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.519 Festival since day one. I spoke. I spoke at every 931 00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:21.400 time I attended. I spoke at all of them except 932 00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:30.119 for one. I attended there one year just to help out, okay, different, Yeah, 933 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.960 the Sutton. Yeah, the Sutton location was always nice, but 934 00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:36.159 it's always been very hot and humid, and I mean 935 00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:38.719 I was one year. I think I got really stick. 936 00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:39.360 It was so hot. 937 00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:43.159 You know, there was quite a few ambulances there that 938 00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:46.760 we I had to go because uh Ron Howells was 939 00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.320 getting married and I was part of that whole. 940 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:51.239 Yeah, I was supposed to. Yeah that was last year. 941 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:52.559 I was supposed to go to that one, but I 942 00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:53.239 couldn't make it. 943 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:58.159 Yeah, And I bet we watched because of the heat, 944 00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.639 at least three four or five ambulences come in or 945 00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:04.280 go out because but it was hot. 946 00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:04.679 Hot. 947 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.320 Like we showed up and I was like, everyone's like, 948 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.840 should we put camp away or what? I'm like, No, 949 00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:16.119 it's one hundred and six degrees. Let's just go grab 950 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:19.719 a bite to eat, right, Yeah, And sure as crap, 951 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.920 the worst storm in the century came through. All the 952 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:28.599 tents got flooded, everything got soaked wet, and it's like, damn, 953 00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:33.400 I just had to say something. So yeah, it was 954 00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.719 a mess for it, but then that was it. And 955 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:39.360 then it was just it was like a heat index 956 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.599 of one hundred and two or something, and. 957 00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:44.239 God, that was horrible. 958 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:49.159 Yeah, well, I'm glad they're putting it in October this year. 959 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:51.519 That should definitely be a lot more comfortable. 960 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.000 And that was a lot of the reason why too, 961 00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:57.800 because a lot of people was complaining about the heat 962 00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:03.119 and the dust and blah blah blah, and so I 963 00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:06.519 guess when you do a festival, you have to team 964 00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:10.440 the sort to listen to people's opinions. And so they're like, 965 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:13.280 all right, fine, we'll do it in the fall in October. 966 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:17.280 It'll be cooler. And if it rates on you, sorry 967 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.000 about your luck. We did what you asked. We can't 968 00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:20.920 control the weather. 969 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:25.159 So yeah, this location that they're doing it for this year, 970 00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:29.760 it's uh, it's it's it's still close to the same 971 00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:32.280 distance as you know, it's always been around four hours. 972 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:36.760 It's slightly a little closer. Okay, it's like three hours 973 00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:39.159 in whatever minutes. I can't remember what I looked up. 974 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.159 But so instead of going across the west, you know, 975 00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:46.800 going yeah, it's when I looked it up GPS, should 976 00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:48.360 be okay, I'm gonna go all the way this way 977 00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:50.719 instead of going up this laying out you know. So 978 00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:53.000 so yeah, it should be a pretty decent straight shot 979 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.639 on the most part. At the memorial Park. It's a 980 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:57.159 it's a veterans memorial park. 981 00:58:57.719 --> 00:58:59.159 Okay, so yeah, it. 982 00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:01.920 Should be pretty cool. Uh, it's on the southern part 983 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:06.119 of instead of being an up Sutton where it has been. 984 00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:09.800 It's gonna be like two hours south of there. 985 00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:11.039 Yeah. 986 00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:14.960 No, it's just only like twenty miles from Babcock State Park. 987 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:18.800 So it's not very far from Babcock. 988 00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:24.159 Okay, I'm not familiar with that area, but I mean, yeah, 989 00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.199 but I'll be taking we're here in Virginia, I'll be 990 00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:31.480 taking Root sixty four all the way out. Word Okay, yeah, 991 00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:37.320 now how far? How far are you from Saltfolk State Park? 992 00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:43.800 So it's weird because people think I make it up, 993 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.320 and it's like I don't. There's a reason why I 994 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:48.480 bought the house that I live in and it's a turd, 995 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:56.039 but yeah, it's twenty minutes from Woodbury. It's an hour 996 00:59:56.199 --> 01:00:00.000 from Saltfork on this and if I go Kick Clear 997 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.280 like group Camp, it's an hour and a half. It's 998 01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:06.599 an hour to the edge of Hawking Hills. It's an 999 01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:15.480 hour to the edge of Wayne National Forest. It's twenty 1000 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:20.119 minutes from Ahicon. So I've got that centrally located, and 1001 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.719 plus thirty seconds behind me is a river that I 1002 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.960 grew up fishing. So they're the reason why i'm and 1003 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:32.239 it's because I'm pretty decently. I'm almost the dead center 1004 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:35.280 of Ohio. So it's the same distance for me to 1005 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.880 go to Cincinnati as it is Cleveland. It's the same 1006 01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:43.320 distance for me to go to Indiana as it in Pennsylvania. 1007 01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.039 I'm literally right in the middle, so I'm only half 1008 01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:52.480 the distance from everything. And yeah, yeah, there's a reason 1009 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:54.880 why I am where I am. 1010 01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:59.440 And how long did it take you to plan that out? 1011 01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:02.679 It just happened on a whim. 1012 01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:06.800 It was like, because we looked at the property and 1013 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:08.760 it was a foreclosed house. 1014 01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:14.239 It had that empty for three years. The plumbing was shot, 1015 01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:17.039 the well was shot. This was shot. That was shot. 1016 01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:20.320 The electric wire had the old white cotton wrap crap 1017 01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.800 around it. 1018 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:24.639 So it was a dump and a half. 1019 01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:28.280 And it's like, well, it could still come back to 1020 01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:31.559 life and be something. So you know, a little bit here, 1021 01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:34.920 a little bit there. We started making improvements and it's 1022 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:39.480 like wait, and it's like, I'm I'm in the middle 1023 01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:43.599 of everything. It's like cause I knew I wanted it 1024 01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:45.760 because I would be close to shock in County. 1025 01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:47.800 I was close to where I bow hunted. 1026 01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:52.760 And then it's like, right, here's the Cocosing River where 1027 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.679 I can go fishing. But it's like, I'm the same 1028 01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:59.239 distance from Hocking Hills as I am Saltport. I'm the 1029 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:04.119 same distance Cincinnati is I am Cleveland. I'm literally just 1030 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:08.199 halfway away from every It just worked out turnipigs, so 1031 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:15.360 that's cool. But I wanted to be close to Saltport, decently, 1032 01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:20.280 close to Keshochtan County, close to But my kids really 1033 01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:23.320 liked the school district they were in, so we didn't. 1034 01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:25.280 Move far from where we were. 1035 01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.800 But okay, yeah, we stayed in the same school district. 1036 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:34.920 But it's one of those districts that's that wide but 1037 01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:38.000 that long, and we were on that far end and 1038 01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:40.199 now we're way out on this far end. 1039 01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:42.920 So we just happened to catch the tail of it. 1040 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:48.440 So, oh, do you pretty much go out independent your 1041 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:51.239 own research, but do you belong to any groups? 1042 01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:56.000 So like I talked to a lot of groups like 1043 01:02:57.079 --> 01:03:02.960 the Pennsylvania the Bigfoot Project and PA and then a 1044 01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:07.320 lot of other groups Benroe County. I just kind of 1045 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:10.639 talked to everybody. But I used to go out with 1046 01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:14.840 a lot of people all the time, and a lot 1047 01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:18.320 of the people over time started to get really annoying, 1048 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:22.559 and I was like, I'm done with this yet. So 1049 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.880 now I've got this little handful of people that like 1050 01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.679 if someone wants to go out, like Hennah Slate, she 1051 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:35.599 was with me when the Thermal was filmed, so yeah, 1052 01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:39.280 her my buddy Darren jure that there's like a handful 1053 01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:39.840 of people. 1054 01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:42.920 But where I. 1055 01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:47.159 Live, Hannah's the only one that's like relatively close. Everyone 1056 01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:49.679 else like an hour and a half away. So if 1057 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:52.280 it's ten o'clock at night and I got the whim 1058 01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:54.039 to go out, all of a sudden. 1059 01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:55.840 I'm on my own. 1060 01:03:56.559 --> 01:04:01.760 I just go and yeah, I just head out and 1061 01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:04.440 a lot. I do a lot of solo, but I 1062 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:09.880 also a good mix because I like helping newbies. I 1063 01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:12.800 love helping people that are new the world of Bigfoot, 1064 01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:19.559 and even if I'm not knowledgeable about Bigfoot, but just like, hey, look, 1065 01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:21.480 this is a great way to start a fire. 1066 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:22.920 This is a great you. 1067 01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:25.840 Know, if you've ever done this, there's a great way 1068 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:29.079 to start a fire. And if your clothes are wet, 1069 01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.639 here's how to make a clothes line with the cover 1070 01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:36.159 to dry your crap off and even outdoorsy till. 1071 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:38.559 So I just love that. 1072 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.239 So one thing I read about you, of course I 1073 01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:47.360 did some research at one point in time. You try 1074 01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:51.760 to associate yourself with a b f R whatever reason, 1075 01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:55.519 they didn't want to step you into their organization. 1076 01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:03.440 So that I'm actually really with those guys. Still, that's 1077 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:07.079 how I knew about Babcock. I did an expedition with 1078 01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:12.159 them there and uh, the really good group of guys. 1079 01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:16.480 But you always have that one. So twenty some years 1080 01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:22.599 ago I crossed paths with Mark the worth who I 1081 01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:26.480 call aka Mark the Worthless, and. 1082 01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:32.119 I met him. Yeah he's a nice guy, don't get. 1083 01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:37.360 Wrong, he is, but he's we just never really we we. 1084 01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:39.679 It's one of those singer it's like if you see 1085 01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:42.159 each other in public's like, oh hey, how you doing, and. 1086 01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:44.199 As you're walking around you're an asshole? 1087 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:48.800 But yeah, you know, and he. 1088 01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:50.840 Put it in. 1089 01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:55.159 So I was in actually made it into the BFRO O. 1090 01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:58.800 But then Mark the worst that was like, hey look 1091 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:03.400 this guy. He has a podcast, he makes videos. 1092 01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:05.360 He's going to ruin your system. 1093 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:08.320 He's going to take all your information and use it 1094 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:09.239 for himself. 1095 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:13.159 And so then I was in the BFRO for one day. 1096 01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:17.079 I think I'm like the move remember to ever be 1097 01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:21.119 in the BFRO because I made it a day and 1098 01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:25.239 I thought, you know, that takes a talented ass person 1099 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:28.079 when you can make it into the BFRO and be 1100 01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:32.519 excluded in twenty four hours. I knew I was special, 1101 01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:37.039 but I didn't know what was that. Now I was like, man, 1102 01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:41.760 it's okay, it is what it is. But the people 1103 01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:47.239 that tried to get me into the BFRO like, hey, 1104 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:50.039 you know, let's talk, and so. 1105 01:06:51.639 --> 01:07:03.519 We're still tight, oh lord, or some like oh boy. 1106 01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:10.079 So I never disbelieve anything. I take it with a 1107 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:15.519 grain of salt, but it's always so I have a friend, 1108 01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:21.039 you know, we're tera Stephanie, and she's the one. Yeah, 1109 01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:24.440 she's the one who started telling me about orbs and 1110 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:29.320 these lights and everything brought it to my attention, and 1111 01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:31.159 I got there looking at and I noticed there was 1112 01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:34.679 a lot of people who get into it. And I'm 1113 01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:38.199 not against it. I just don't understand why it is, 1114 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:43.559 why it would be, but so for her sake, because 1115 01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:46.119 I was like, you know what, even though it's not something, 1116 01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:49.599 just because I've never personally seen it, doesn't mean it 1117 01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:51.960 can't happen. Because I ain't seen it. It just means 1118 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:56.440 I ain't seen it, but I think it. To me, 1119 01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:58.920 I got a whole other idea of what orbs are. 1120 01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:02.039 But Terra, I was like, you know what, she keeps 1121 01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:03.519 telling me about these orbs. 1122 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:04.760 So I started. 1123 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:07.039 When I go out, I take a balloon, I put 1124 01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:09.159 a glow stick in it. I snap it, but to 1125 01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:11.679 blow up the balloon, tie it off and then I 1126 01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:13.840 hang it in a tree. So I have a ball 1127 01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:16.560 of glowing light that moves when I go out into 1128 01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:17.560 the woods. 1129 01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:21.319 So you know, maybe a little attract them. I don't know. 1130 01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:23.560 I don't know what attracts a big foot. I'm not 1131 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:30.319 that skilled yet. But I'm not against the idea of it. 1132 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:32.800 I just like that. I like that idea. That sounds 1133 01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.640 pretty cool. We need to try to do. We even 1134 01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:37.800 had suit. 1135 01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:46.119 I it. So it doesn't work every single time. 1136 01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:50.039 But there was this one night in particular where it 1137 01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:55.239 was just the most deadest of dead nights. And I 1138 01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:58.520 mean wind wise, because normally the balloon, even when there's 1139 01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:02.439 no wind will kind of move and whatnot. But I 1140 01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:07.000 mean these balloons were just straight hanging. It was dead, dead, dead, 1141 01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:11.880 and off in the corner the furthest one away, the 1142 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:16.119 one closest to the edge of the woods was like 1143 01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:19.279 something kept hitting it or flicking it. So you're looking 1144 01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:22.640 at all these balloons that aren't moving, and this one balloon. 1145 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:27.159 Keeps going to bing boing bloing and just moving. 1146 01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:31.880 I'm like, something's touching that or something has happened. You know, 1147 01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:35.680 something's going on here, And it's one of those things. 1148 01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.199 Do we walk that way because if we do, we're 1149 01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:42.279 gonna run it off and it's gonna stop. But if 1150 01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:46.239 something is moving it and we stay here, maybe it'll 1151 01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:47.199 make a mistake. 1152 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:49.800 So it's like, let's just set foot for a minute. 1153 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:53.920 And so yeah, that that orbit in that particular night 1154 01:09:54.840 --> 01:10:01.479 actually was an interest. It had an interesting result. But 1155 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:06.479 I myself, I've just never seen an ORB outside of 1156 01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:11.960 like Gettysburg or something like that. So I'm not saying 1157 01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:15.319 orbs don't exist. I just think it's two different things. 1158 01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:20.079 And people always talk about them being a ball glowing light, 1159 01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:23.319 and that's the same thing they always talk about a 1160 01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:27.239 ghost being sometimes on those ghost hunting shows, is a 1161 01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:30.000 little ball a light, and they always talked about I 1162 01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:34.119 always heard or read about the Native American connection with Bigfoot, 1163 01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:36.760 so I thought if I was a dead Native American 1164 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:39.800 who was a glowing ball of light, but I didn't 1165 01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:43.319 know it. But I found this thing in the woods. 1166 01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:44.640 It's eight feet. 1167 01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:48.199 Tall, and all my people are gone, My tribe is gone. 1168 01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:51.960 I can't find them. There're these weird looking things that 1169 01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:55.319 keep walking through the woods and they're driving these these 1170 01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:58.239 things with wheels or I think that might be what 1171 01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:01.079 a wheel is. These people are been on this funny 1172 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:04.000 animal that makes them sound like. 1173 01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:07.840 And I don't know what's going on. 1174 01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:12.239 I'm following that big butt. So that's why I think 1175 01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:16.039 the orbs. I think it's disconnected spirits. It's like, you 1176 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:19.359 know what, I don't know what all this stuff is 1177 01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:23.680 just wasn't around my TP growing up. So I'm sticking 1178 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:26.640 with that thing because maybe it'll keep me safe. 1179 01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:29.880 Yeah, that's my take on ORBS. 1180 01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:34.119 Well, you know, we discussed this a lot on various 1181 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:36.560 podcasts as other guests, so you know, me and David 1182 01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:39.560 would like to bring this up because I mean, I'll 1183 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:42.720 back up a little bit real quick. Is I mean, 1184 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:44.960 I spent some time I lived in Pennsylvania for a 1185 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.119 short period, okay, and I've had some I've done a 1186 01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:51.119 lot of you know, it's you know, research and exploring 1187 01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:55.960 up there. I mean years ago, but more recently, after 1188 01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:59.840 a couple of years ago, I've seen some things up 1189 01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:03.359 there that I can explain. Uh. And for the record, 1190 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:07.479 I'm I'm very much like you, Mike. I'm very objective 1191 01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:10.720 on a lot of things. I've heard stories of various 1192 01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:14.760 things over the year, and I was like, what the 1193 01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:16.800 heck are people seeing? I don't, you know, it just 1194 01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:19.640 didn't make sense to me. But then when you start 1195 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:22.359 experiencing and seeing things like, Okay, what the heck am 1196 01:12:22.399 --> 01:12:25.720 I looking at here? You know, yeah, I'm seeing things 1197 01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:29.199 that I've heard people talk about, you know, like right, 1198 01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.279 you know, a couple of different locations up in Pennsylvania. 1199 01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:34.800 Like the first set of lights I've ever seen looked 1200 01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:38.680 like a bunch of weird glittering stars, you know, kind 1201 01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:42.000 of flashing, glittering whatever you want to call it. Let 1202 01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:47.199 mean blue gold, maybe a couple of reds. And we're 1203 01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:49.960 talking in the month of January when it's very cold there. 1204 01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:54.439 And a few months later, moving into the month of May, 1205 01:12:55.600 --> 01:13:00.279 I had a small group camp. Terra was am Those 1206 01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:04.079 who camped with me, Me Tara, Mike Holes, and the 1207 01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:07.319 girl I was you know with at the time. Well, 1208 01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:10.760 one time the area we were camped at, I seen 1209 01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:17.479 these four i will say, four uh bluish, round, dim 1210 01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:21.560 looking lights across the camp in the woods, and they 1211 01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:24.479 weren't moving. They were just stationary. I was like, what 1212 01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:27.359 the heck, am I what are they? You know, I 1213 01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:30.319 had no idea what I'm looking at, you know. And 1214 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:33.520 when I went back, you know, everybody was back at campus. 1215 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.600 I said, guys, I'm looking at some weird lights up here, 1216 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:38.239 you know. And by the time we came back out, 1217 01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:40.159 I tried to show them they weren't there. 1218 01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:41.279 Yeah. 1219 01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:47.279 So that was in Pennsylvania and for Forbes, the first 1220 01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:49.720 location was forbe Saint Forest and the Blue Hole division. 1221 01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:53.760 A few months later in the month of May, was 1222 01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:56.920 in Forbes, Saint Port at the Mount Davis division, which 1223 01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:01.439 is quite a way's way and worse. And then me, Dave, 1224 01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:05.039 Me and David. There was a few others in our 1225 01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:08.560 area here in Virginia that we like, were currently focusing on. 1226 01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:14.600 We've seen one single round ball of light that appeared. Yeah, 1227 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:16.760 David was the first one to notice it. He got 1228 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:21.479 my attention, I'm seeing it, and we see it for 1229 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:23.600 a few good seconds and it's just all of a sudden 1230 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:28.720 and it was gone like that, and immediately pulling my 1231 01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:31.239 fermals out. You know. We didn't pick up no heat 1232 01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:33.920 things here. We didn't see nothing in the area. Just 1233 01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:36.800 the thought that maybe somebody was over there with some 1234 01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:40.600 kind of weird light. I don't know, but we can't 1235 01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:42.319 explain it. We don't know what we saw. 1236 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.760 But let me on that a little bit right quick. 1237 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:50.399 We wouldn't not looking for anything like this. We've been 1238 01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:53.039 camping in this one area now where we go camping 1239 01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:55.439 for that. This is the third year being there. It's 1240 01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:59.279 it is remote area and we all, you know, we 1241 01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:02.479 go out for the MP in the camaraderie, to have fun, relaxed. 1242 01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:07.560 Oh yeah, while we were there first couple of years, 1243 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:11.359 nothing out of the ordinary happened. We've had other the 1244 01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:13.840 sounds and stuff like that, which is pretty much normal. 1245 01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:18.680 Some things you can question. But last year, during the 1246 01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:22.239 last two campouts, same location where we always camp at, 1247 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:26.560 we start having all kinds of things that we were 1248 01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:33.880 not looking for happened. We started having a radios going dead, 1249 01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:40.520 coming back alive, people filling certain presents around. Daniel mentioned 1250 01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:42.319 the light. I was the first one to sit for 1251 01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:45.520 a couple of seconds before I got his attention, and 1252 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:48.239 it was a white pier light. It did not project 1253 01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:52.159 any light like a flashlight. It's about it was about 1254 01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:54.399 thirty five to forty yards away. It wasn't up in 1255 01:15:54.399 --> 01:15:56.079 the air, it wasn't up in the trees. It was 1256 01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:58.359 down around ground level, about three or four foot off 1257 01:15:58.399 --> 01:15:58.760 the ground. 1258 01:15:59.039 --> 01:15:59.800 Yeah, look level. 1259 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:02.920 I don't know how long it was there before it 1260 01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:05.279 came into view because we're out in the woods on 1261 01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:08.319 both sides of the gravel road. But when I first 1262 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:12.119 seen it, a couple of seconds I got Daniel's attention. 1263 01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:15.520 He looked at it and uh, he's seen it, and 1264 01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:18.359 it's about golf ball size. Now golf ball, it's about 1265 01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:21.920 softball size, pure white. It didn't hurt your eyes. And 1266 01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:24.279 a couple of seconds later, after he got his eyes 1267 01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:26.800 on it, it flared up a little bit and went out, 1268 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:31.960 Oh wow, was out nothing in the area, no person 1269 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:34.520 walking around out there. Because you got you gotta rule 1270 01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:37.279 things out. I got to hold a base camp to 1271 01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:39.720 make sure there wasn't any cars, just to rule it out, 1272 01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:41.760 even though they were about maybe half a mile away, 1273 01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:44.079 and it was pretty much we was pretty much the 1274 01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:46.720 little ones out there that night. We were not looking 1275 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:50.560 for this. It just happened. Now, after these last two 1276 01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:54.960 campouts and all this weird stuff happening, it's just putting 1277 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:58.840 another element into our research when we go out. Daniel 1278 01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:01.239 had a flash slighting that one night and went dead. 1279 01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:01.600 Autumn. 1280 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:04.880 He was out in the woods by himself one weekend 1281 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:06.720 and then it came back. It's I was working again. 1282 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:10.439 Why is this stuff happening? I had an MP three 1283 01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:15.479 player turned on by sol and it's up type button. 1284 01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:17.239 It's not a button you could push. It's three foot 1285 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:19.800 away from you on the table. Why did it turn 1286 01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:23.000 on by itself? I let Melissa use my action cam 1287 01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:25.560 put it on her chest because she was gonna go 1288 01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:27.279 out at night. We put justin word it sounds on. 1289 01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:30.920 Appened after we got an order two times before they 1290 01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.720 went out. It turned on by itself. Why is this happening? 1291 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:37.560 We don't have any answers. I'm not gonna say it's 1292 01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:39.880 this or that. Now we grew up with paranormal stuff. 1293 01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:45.159 My mindset is. I retired from the Army in ninety 1294 01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:47.119 eight I spent three Navy eighteen armies. 1295 01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:48.720 I was in law enforcement. 1296 01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:51.960 Then I retired from the Sheriff's office here in twenty eighteen. 1297 01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:55.960 So with our mindset, you analyze what's going on. You 1298 01:17:55.960 --> 01:17:59.399 don't jump to conclusion, digest that. You try to figure 1299 01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:02.560 things out. And Daniel's the same way. I mean, that's 1300 01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:04.319 he That's why a lot of people get mad at him, 1301 01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:08.079 because he brings about a practical answer to what they 1302 01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:12.840 might be seeing, whether it's Prince or anything else. But 1303 01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:15.239 people don't want to hear it. I mean, they think 1304 01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:17.800 they experienced something, they would have jumped down that rabbit 1305 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.760 hole and whatnot. But that's where our mind sets at 1306 01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:24.640 and it's intriguing, it's fascinating. But I've never seen a 1307 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.840 light like that. I've seen it on TV people talking 1308 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:31.840 about it, but until you experience it, you don't have 1309 01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:34.000 an answer for it. 1310 01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:34.760 What was it? 1311 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:37.199 We had Luna with us or shepherd and this is 1312 01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:40.319 it's about ten o'clock at night when this happened. And 1313 01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:42.680 if she didn't indicate anything being in the area like 1314 01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:45.520 hearing or smell or anything like that, there wasn't any 1315 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:50.640 deer over there. It's it's just fascinating as far as that. 1316 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:52.600 So we're just throwing that out there too. 1317 01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:54.680 Yes, I mean. 1318 01:18:56.399 --> 01:19:00.199 I just never experienced them, but we did. Anything is 1319 01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:02.680 counting them at the same time. That's why I put 1320 01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:06.079 the orbs in the tree because I thought maybe there's 1321 01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:07.039 something to it. 1322 01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:08.000 Maybe the attraction. 1323 01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:08.600 We don't know. 1324 01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:11.199 Yeah, so, well it's not. 1325 01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:15.520 Some people want to say, well, it's been proven when 1326 01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:19.319 you get around tectonomic plates and they start rubbing it 1327 01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:23.359 will amit gases radio gas and then they'll dissipate us 1328 01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:26.359 it moves around stuff like that. But this didn't radiate. 1329 01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:28.680 And then it was just a dear white light. They 1330 01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:31.560 give it. Any kind of electrical pulse going off it 1331 01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:34.319 in a minute, any light in the area, like a 1332 01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:38.720 fleshlight would and it wasn't. It wasn't fluctuating like it 1333 01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:42.399 was gas and just barely moved from the time we've 1334 01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:44.199 seen it and then it went out by maybe four 1335 01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:46.439 or five seconds max. We had both of our rides 1336 01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:50.359 on it. And it could have been something UFO, we 1337 01:19:50.359 --> 01:19:52.279 don't know. It could have been something associated with but 1338 01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:56.760 we don't know. Because another group member Drew he had 1339 01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:59.720 an encounter about maybe two hundred yards from that same evening, 1340 01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:02.520 I was going back and forth see the light, and 1341 01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:05.319 he could identify the eye shines that he was saying, 1342 01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:09.119 two sets of eye shines, Okay, twenty masses. The third 1343 01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:12.399 minutes later, then we see the light. September before that, 1344 01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:16.239 a couple from Pennsylvania, about maybe three or four hundred 1345 01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:18.119 yards up from where we're at where they parked the 1346 01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:21.159 walk to the lake at daytimes, she sees something black 1347 01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:24.000 run across the road on two legs. And if she 1348 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:25.640 tried to explain to this that it wasn't a bearge, 1349 01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:27.600 she couldn't explain what it was. She told the barry 1350 01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:30.800 beginning that she told the story, it was no bears 1351 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:31.920 run on two legs like that. 1352 01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:35.399 Bears if if if. 1353 01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:38.239 They're defending their area or attacking, they're gonna go to 1354 01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:41.039 all fours. If they're scared, they're gonna drop the all 1355 01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:43.119 fours to run. They're not gonna run off. 1356 01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:43.560 Of two legs. 1357 01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:46.760 And if you do route lakes that they're gonna hobble 1358 01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:48.560 a little bit, then they're gonna go down all. I mean, 1359 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:51.439 they're not built for it. But again, all this is 1360 01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:55.319 within I see about maybe half a mile radius within 1361 01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:58.399 a nine month time frame that all of this activity 1362 01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:02.800 now happened last year. It didn't happen before. Now what's happening. 1363 01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:05.680 We don't have any answers, and people take what they 1364 01:21:05.720 --> 01:21:08.560 want from our stories. But until they go out in 1365 01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:13.640 the woods daytime more than nighttime, and relax, enjoy yourself, 1366 01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:16.159 and just let things happen. Until you've experienced it, I 1367 01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:18.760 can see why you got na sars out there. But 1368 01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:21.800 when more than one people see or experience the same 1369 01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:23.600 thing at the same time, it's not a figment of 1370 01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:24.920 your imagination. 1371 01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:26.079 It's exactly. 1372 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:29.479 I mean, that's where we're at with our research. And 1373 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:32.000 now as far as that, I mean, it's just another element. 1374 01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:35.159 Now we're getting a little bit more equipment when we're 1375 01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:39.479 out there with besides radios and stuff, EMFs and stuff 1376 01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:41.119 like that, you see, if there's any kind of other 1377 01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:43.119 activity going on out there. I mean, we're now we're 1378 01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:46.119 adding more to our research. We're not gonna go overboard 1379 01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:49.760 because we don't want to go down that rabbit hole 1380 01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:53.880 where people thinking you're cop right. I mean, we're gonna 1381 01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:56.560 tell a story, more experience and people take what's you 1382 01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:58.199 want from, you know. I mean, We're gonna go on 1383 01:21:58.319 --> 01:22:00.840 do what we're doing, and I'll to tell about some 1384 01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:02.039 answers sometimes. 1385 01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:03.800 Yeah, there's a couple of things I want to add 1386 01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:06.600 to what David was talking about. You know, I've shared 1387 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:10.359 this with him before. In this particular area, I did 1388 01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:14.439 some research just basically online what I could find, if 1389 01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:18.239 there's any other experiences related or you know, from what 1390 01:22:18.279 --> 01:22:22.079 we have or anything, and just whatevers come up with. Well, 1391 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:25.960 the name of the area, I willn't mention this publicly. 1392 01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:31.239 The name of the town is called Folks Run, Virginia. However, 1393 01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:34.439 after doing some research, now there was a lot of 1394 01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:37.239 folklore and there's a lot of history in that area. 1395 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:41.399 You know, not to get into all of it, but 1396 01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:43.760 I will come down like I showed David, and I 1397 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:46.520 was like, look at what Look what they're saying. And 1398 01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:48.880 according to the folklore and legends of the stories of 1399 01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:52.039 the history of this area, one of the thanks was 1400 01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:55.600 and mentioned, well they call it sheep's watch. It's their 1401 01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:56.800 version of tass watch. 1402 01:22:57.239 --> 01:22:58.279 Yeah. 1403 01:22:58.359 --> 01:23:00.520 The other thing, which is more of calm only known 1404 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:03.520 in Western Virginia. We're only this location is only a 1405 01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:07.640 few miles from West Virginia. But on top of that, 1406 01:23:08.279 --> 01:23:12.159 strange Lights in the woods was named among all the 1407 01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:17.199 history of this era, which I found very fascinating. What 1408 01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:19.239 are these strange lights that others are seeing? Are they 1409 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:22.720 similar to what we witnessed? I don't know. Then I 1410 01:23:22.760 --> 01:23:26.520 started doing a Google research for on YouTube videos. I 1411 01:23:26.600 --> 01:23:28.680 was looking up for you. I was literally looking on 1412 01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:34.159 YouTube videos for different experiences similar to ours or anything 1413 01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:36.760 that would come up on videos. But sure enough, there 1414 01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:39.439 was a podcast that came across and I think I 1415 01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:41.760 shared it with David if David, if you recall, there 1416 01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:47.840 was a podcast that the individual he was Southwest Virginia. 1417 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:50.239 He was some hours, you know, three or four hours 1418 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:54.640 southwest of us. Well, his story besides having the big 1419 01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:58.199 food experiences, it was one property he was on visiting 1420 01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:02.199 somebody that had this experience seeing the strange lights and 1421 01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:05.319 orbs that were actually moving along the outskirts of the property, 1422 01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:09.079 you know, and on this particular property, it was also 1423 01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:14.000 known that there was Civil War history that Oh yeah, 1424 01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:18.560 I thought, okay, that's interesting. But again, this I witness 1425 01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:23.319 talked about these round balls or they called them orbs 1426 01:24:23.319 --> 01:24:25.720 because they were actually moving, you know. Of course, the 1427 01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:27.359 lights that we've seen and the ones I talked about 1428 01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:30.920 in Pennsylvania they were stationary. So I mean, I just 1429 01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:32.800 want to throw that in there, re clip, and I 1430 01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:36.039 just thought it was interesting, like there's something strange going 1431 01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:38.159 on in this area. We don't know what it is. 1432 01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:42.079 But you know, that's like I've got this weird collection 1433 01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:45.119 of rabbit holes that someday I am going to go 1434 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:51.439 down just for my little personal research, and ORBS is 1435 01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:54.119 one of them. And I haven't looked into it, so 1436 01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:58.199 I don't know, but I do know that the first 1437 01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:01.680 mention I ever heard of ORB was out west, and 1438 01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:05.119 then I hear about him in PA Virginia. And I 1439 01:25:05.239 --> 01:25:11.560 notice everywhere I hear about them, there's high hills or mountains. 1440 01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:14.199 I've never heard of one in a flat area, so 1441 01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:17.760 I don't know if that's you know, is that something. 1442 01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:19.279 Is it a mountainous thing? 1443 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:22.439 Is it something that only happens in a certain climate 1444 01:25:22.520 --> 01:25:29.279 region with that particular because according to Bergman's theory, all 1445 01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:34.720 bigfoot are different the further you go north. So it's 1446 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:38.800 and Bergman's well, when it started as Bergman's theory, then 1447 01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:42.880 it became Birdman's principal, and now it's Bergman's role because 1448 01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:46.079 they actually proved the guy to be right over time. 1449 01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:47.720 At first they called him a lunatic. 1450 01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:52.039 But yeah, that's one of my wormholes I always wanted 1451 01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:56.079 to dabble in research. Was is it a mountainous thing? 1452 01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:57.520 Is it a flat? 1453 01:25:57.560 --> 01:25:57.760 You know? 1454 01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:02.119 Because I'm just never oundard a report of it happening 1455 01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:05.199 in a flat, But I've never met for it either. 1456 01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:09.199 But that's interesting that you bring that up, because I mean, 1457 01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:14.119 I mean, between Pennsylvania and Virginia, Pennsylvany's got a lot 1458 01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:19.079 of bridgelines, hills. Yeah, that same thing with Virginia. I mean, 1459 01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:21.119 our mountains are not as big as what they have 1460 01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:24.560 out west, but our highest elevation is over probably close 1461 01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:27.279 to six feet, which is still pretty big. You know. 1462 01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:28.479 Oh yeah, you. 1463 01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:32.239 Know, it's higher than the ones they have in North Carolina. 1464 01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:37.520 I mean, you know, like the Appalachians start in Ohio 1465 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:40.479 and we call them the foothills, and they are they're 1466 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:43.760 not mountains, they're just but if you go up to 1467 01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:47.720 northern Ohio, it's flat as a sheet of paper where 1468 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:49.399 the glacier came through. 1469 01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:52.039 There's nothing up there. It's just flat. 1470 01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:55.600 It's like, what dumbass decided to build a town in 1471 01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:58.399 this spot, because that's just what I want to do, 1472 01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:03.720 is live in a marsh withs But you know, yeah, 1473 01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:08.359 it's just one of those. But really with or I 1474 01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:15.319 don't think. So everything Bigfoot at some point was new, 1475 01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:22.079 Like someone had to discover wood knocking, which was Matt Moneymaker. 1476 01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:23.880 That was his claim to fame. 1477 01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:27.840 But he noticed that he kept hearing this knocking sound 1478 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:30.199 on a tree, and that happened, and then they have 1479 01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:35.199 what they call the Ohio how you know. So that's 1480 01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:38.840 his own little phenomenon. And if you talk about the 1481 01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:45.119 Ohio how to maybe someone Wyoming or Olympia, they might 1482 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:47.640 be like, ah, you're full of crap. But then you 1483 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:52.079 got the Olympia. How So everything at Bigfoot was new 1484 01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:55.840 at some time, like well, they got a horrible smell. 1485 01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:57.399 Oh, you're crazy. 1486 01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:01.079 And then three months later the guys in woods and 1487 01:28:01.079 --> 01:28:03.680 he's like, what the hell is that? You know, he's 1488 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:08.239 plugging his nose. He's got this horrible death pea wet 1489 01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:13.399 dog gurine smell of swamp ass, and it's like, God, 1490 01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:18.640 that's horrible. And it's like, but at some point that 1491 01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:25.680 was new, you know. And eyeshine, well you're just seeing deer. Well, 1492 01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:28.760 but it's just color. And sometimes it's his color though, 1493 01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:32.119 but now sometimes it's also this color. So it useduld 1494 01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:36.119 just be eyeshine with just red and now it's red Greek. 1495 01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:39.680 So everything was new at some point. And that's what's 1496 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:44.159 so cool about technology is bigfooting is putting all these 1497 01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:48.920 little pieces together, figuring out that's what this you know, 1498 01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:53.199 that's what that could be, and how it fits. And 1499 01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:56.880 I don't think in the puzzle a bigfoot, but I 1500 01:28:56.920 --> 01:29:01.119 think in your own personal puzzle of how you put 1501 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:05.439 things together in your head and how you cause, like 1502 01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:09.159 my neighbor, I guarantee he doesn't understand the world or 1503 01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:10.720 see the world how I see it. 1504 01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:12.600 How I understand that we. 1505 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:15.960 All we're all different. Well, we all understand some things. 1506 01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:18.760 I mean well we might have get to the same 1507 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:21.239 point by the end of the road, we just take 1508 01:29:21.279 --> 01:29:24.800 a different path to get there. But yeah, at some 1509 01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:28.720 point everything was new in the world, a bigfoot, and 1510 01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:30.279 a lot of it still is. 1511 01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:33.880 Well, you've got the different cultures out there too, because 1512 01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:36.439 I mean you got the people they don't get they 1513 01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:39.039 don't get out of the concrete city, the concrete jungles. 1514 01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:42.159 They go to work to come wholesale street coffee, watch TV, 1515 01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:44.760 get up, go back to where it's the same thing. 1516 01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:47.279 Yeah, we tell the year. 1517 01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:51.720 Then you get people to go out there to research 1518 01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:56.000 like we started doing and stuff like that that we 1519 01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:59.279 go out with an open mind, no preconceived notions and 1520 01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.520 just let things happened as they happen. Then you got 1521 01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:04.319 those to go out there with the preconceived notion and 1522 01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:08.199 everything that's seeing here's a bigfoot, just like the tree knocks. 1523 01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:10.720 They think that they hear a tree dock, it's gonna 1524 01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:12.880 be a big foot. It maybe another bigfooter over the 1525 01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:15.359 ridge hitting the tree. Because now you're talking back and forth, 1526 01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:19.239 don't even know it. Also whether it can have stuff 1527 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:21.880 to play in that because when I was researching it, 1528 01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:25.760 unless you know just what a distinct tree knock sounds 1529 01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:30.239 like when wood heats up in the day and cools 1530 01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:32.960 the night. Depending on the texas in the wood, you 1531 01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:36.479 get expansion and contraction, just like in a house you 1532 01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:39.079 hear a pop every now and then some fibers may pop, 1533 01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:42.039 you know. I mean, all these are possibilities where you 1534 01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.840 just can't be laser focus saying that was a big foot. 1535 01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:48.760 If you ain't got a picture of bigfoot sitting there 1536 01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:54.000 hitting a tree, we're never going to know. But again, 1537 01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:57.239 it's just fools in the toolbox to where you look 1538 01:30:57.279 --> 01:31:00.119 at it, you analyze it, and if you go out 1539 01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:01.960 and you take a good piece of wood and hit 1540 01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:04.399 a tree, you could just you don't know what a 1541 01:31:04.520 --> 01:31:07.800 tree knock sounds like. And now we take a tree 1542 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:12.239 and pop it. It's similar, but there is a distinct difference. 1543 01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:15.359 But you got to research that study to understand that, 1544 01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:18.239 and I think it's mis identification. 1545 01:31:18.399 --> 01:31:19.119 We know that. 1546 01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:22.119 All I can say is we went out looking for 1547 01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:23.800 this stuff the last two camp outs. 1548 01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:24.680 It came to us. 1549 01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:28.920 And now that's drawing in on what the hell is 1550 01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:29.600 going on here. 1551 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:30.560 It's like. 1552 01:31:32.479 --> 01:31:36.279 Listen all over life, I mean people, my family and 1553 01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:40.439 her family and things I experienced growing up and my 1554 01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:43.720 brother's along with me. Multiple witnesses is not a figment 1555 01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:47.560 of your imagination when that happens. When I got this retirement, 1556 01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:50.760 two retirements done, and we can relax and that Daniel, 1557 01:31:50.920 --> 01:31:54.359 then we watched the stuff on TV. And then he 1558 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:56.359 invites the camp and we met him at the mall. 1559 01:31:56.399 --> 01:31:58.439 We must see what his little setup is like there, 1560 01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:03.359 and we get off of hip. Since then it's his personality. 1561 01:32:03.680 --> 01:32:05.359 You have to get to know him. You just can't 1562 01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:06.479 get rid of him, you know what I mean? 1563 01:32:08.720 --> 01:32:10.720 So I send you more Amazon stuff to buy. 1564 01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:15.520 You know, Yeah, he got our feet wet and that 1565 01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:18.119 what he does after his research and stuff like that. 1566 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:22.119 And I liked his way of thinking. He's practical. He 1567 01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:25.720 doesn't blow things out of a portion. He stays reasonable 1568 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:29.399 with his logic and and and he just he doesn't 1569 01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:31.239 jump to it. That's the kind of people I want 1570 01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:32.800 to hang up because I don't want to get an 1571 01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:36.159 argument with anybody like that. Express your opinion what you 1572 01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:37.800 think it may be. That's the only way you're going 1573 01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:39.479 to try to come to any kind of an answer. 1574 01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:44.359 Talking through rationalize you have people's have different ideas. We 1575 01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:47.399 need to understand that, and then nine times out of 1576 01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:50.880 ten you're still gonna walk away with more questions than answers, 1577 01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:53.960 you know. I mean, that's the way it's going to be. 1578 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:54.760 That's the way it is. 1579 01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:56.439 But we enjoy it. We like it. 1580 01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:58.079 That's why we're out there with it. We'll be going 1581 01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:00.720 back out here again in May and for another week 1582 01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:04.239 long camp out and stuff, and hopefully I'm hoping some 1583 01:33:04.439 --> 01:33:07.840 of that activity that happened last year happens again. I mean, 1584 01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:10.600 I don't know why we experienced last year. I mean, 1585 01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:13.159 a lot of history, a lot of old foundations, vote 1586 01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:15.760 homes or whatever back here in the woods. It's all 1587 01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:16.560 primitive back here. 1588 01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:16.800 Now. 1589 01:33:19.079 --> 01:33:22.840 If we can be, anything can be, it's more out 1590 01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:24.760 there that's going on to what we realize. 1591 01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:26.239 And that's the fact. 1592 01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:28.920 Every things are black and white, like people think of 1593 01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:32.039 this except for your daily life. But most people don't 1594 01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:34.039 want to be taken out of the norm. Once they're 1595 01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:37.039 taken out of the norm, their belief system is now 1596 01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:41.920 messed up. We're not atheists. We believe in God, you know, 1597 01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:47.239 we we're on that side. But then again, if you 1598 01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:49.880 look in the Bible, what does the Bible talk about? 1599 01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:54.119 You look down the history of Native Americans and even 1600 01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:57.600 before them, not only here but other cultures. What do 1601 01:33:57.720 --> 01:34:00.279 they talk about, what was going on back then? A 1602 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:05.199 love that history is carried forward with like Bigfoot dog 1603 01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:10.680 Man for an example. Uh uh, that's just so much 1604 01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:14.039 going on. You know, you can bust the brain cells 1605 01:34:14.119 --> 01:34:17.000 thinking about it, but you got to stand back, take 1606 01:34:17.039 --> 01:34:19.600 it in as it comes, try to rationalize, analyze it, 1607 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:22.359 and hopefully we don't get snapped up by UFO one 1608 01:34:22.399 --> 01:34:23.680 not you never see us again. 1609 01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:25.520 But you never know. 1610 01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:27.760 It may happen, you know, but I'm not. It's not 1611 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:28.880 gonna keep me from going. 1612 01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:31.880 Out in the woods and trying hopefully while I'm filming, 1613 01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:32.840 I capture all this. 1614 01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:37.840 We have got the can after the fact. That way 1615 01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:40.319 people will pick up the camera see what happened, don't 1616 01:34:40.359 --> 01:34:45.239 take it with him. But that's where we're at. And uh, 1617 01:34:46.359 --> 01:34:49.399 we're we're practical about everything, and we're enjoying it. We're 1618 01:34:49.640 --> 01:34:51.680 enjoying life for you know, the best we can until 1619 01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:55.840 see what's on goes on after that or part of living. 1620 01:34:55.920 --> 01:34:58.960 But there's things down to this happening. We don't have 1621 01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:01.079 the answer for it, and ever expected it to happen, 1622 01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:01.359 like that. 1623 01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:05.960 Yeah, Butosh says, I get so tired of people. 1624 01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:07.920 You know, is that big fit? 1625 01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:09.119 Oh my gosh, it's big fit. 1626 01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:10.560 It's like they get tunnel vision. 1627 01:35:11.479 --> 01:35:12.119 It's a big fit. 1628 01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:15.880 That's one thing about Daniel about us and stuff. Yes, 1629 01:35:16.079 --> 01:35:19.520 we've been learning from Daniel for the last few years 1630 01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:23.039 now a little bit more about what he does and stuff. 1631 01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:28.800 But when he sees something, he also looks at the outside, 1632 01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:29.840 the outer picture. 1633 01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:32.680 He looks at everything around and. 1634 01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:34.920 There's people that a correlation. 1635 01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:37.479 There's people that hate that because. 1636 01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:42.520 Got to rule out what you can not everything. 1637 01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:45.760 Like Daniel and everybody says, nobody's an expert in this. 1638 01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:47.520 You have people want to come off like they are. 1639 01:35:50.079 --> 01:35:53.960 You can't be that way. It's something like they're talking 1640 01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:57.119 about listen, day, were talking about things out. I'll be 1641 01:35:57.239 --> 01:36:00.560 the first to admit, and I've said this multiple sometimes 1642 01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:03.760 an easier said than done, you know what I mean, 1643 01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:07.640 Because I mean, you want things to be this, but 1644 01:36:08.039 --> 01:36:11.640 what you got to consider all these other possibilities, just 1645 01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:14.800 like finding the various tree structures. I mean, when I 1646 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:17.479 first started this, I was I was one of those 1647 01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:21.439 people that are very blowing up on the you know, 1648 01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:24.279 like after observing what was being put out there, what 1649 01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:27.359 I was observing on social media when I first jumped 1650 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:32.359 on all these tree structures. Okay, so that was something 1651 01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:35.399 that made me more alert. I started observing these things 1652 01:36:36.640 --> 01:36:41.479 more carefully. I started, you know, noticing things that people 1653 01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:45.199 were talking about. Well, I never considered this, But then again, 1654 01:36:46.119 --> 01:36:48.800 you look at the various tree structures. Okay, some of 1655 01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:52.359 these could be ruled by you know, the suspects. Well, 1656 01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:54.840 whether it's one major cause of a lot of this, 1657 01:36:55.640 --> 01:36:57.880 but again, you've got various types of wildlife that are 1658 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:01.359 responsible for a lot of this, you know, and then 1659 01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:04.319 if Bigfoot is doing this, I mean I might. I'm 1660 01:37:04.359 --> 01:37:07.000 sure you've seen this for yourself, and you know, most 1661 01:37:07.039 --> 01:37:09.520 of David. The more you join these bifferent groups you 1662 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:13.199 gotta see it too, is Oh, I've got a bigfoot 1663 01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:16.640 structure right here. This is a big structure. I want 1664 01:37:16.680 --> 01:37:19.199 to say, Yeah, we all want to believe it's bigfoot. 1665 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:22.399 Bigfoot should be our last consideration. But like I tell people, 1666 01:37:22.439 --> 01:37:24.920 there's always that possibility, you know. 1667 01:37:25.239 --> 01:37:26.399 Yeah, you know. 1668 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:29.800 So it's mind blowing and it's exciting at the same 1669 01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:33.560 time because we're caught up into this field that you know, 1670 01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:36.000 there's a lot of excitement involved. But you know, we 1671 01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:38.359 you know, for those of us that take it serious, 1672 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:42.560 I find it more entertaining and more fascinating. Hey, let's 1673 01:37:42.680 --> 01:37:44.720 role all this out. Can we rove us out? 1674 01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:45.680 Yeah? 1675 01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:49.920 You know that's how what location? 1676 01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:55.000 Yeah, Daniel Militsa. When we're out, we're out hiking and stuff. 1677 01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:57.039 We'll go along and gravel road. We see something that 1678 01:37:57.159 --> 01:37:58.760 looks like it might be a little bit of structured 1679 01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:01.880 ten fifteen to twenty yards off the road. I can't 1680 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:03.520 say that's gonna be a big foot. I mean I 1681 01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:06.319 don't know, but people walk along that road all the time. 1682 01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:08.039 They you know, like I said, you've got hopes was 1683 01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:10.199 out there too. But now if you take the time 1684 01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:14.560 and you're forty five menues deep in the woods, no 1685 01:38:14.720 --> 01:38:17.039 hiking or horse trails or nothing around, now you come 1686 01:38:17.079 --> 01:38:20.920 into a different situation. Yeah, I got to hunter aspect. 1687 01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:23.319 You gotta know what Turkey blines look like. You gotta 1688 01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:26.560 know what something can be temporarily set up as a blind, 1689 01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:28.680 you know, for deer hunting and stuff like that. You 1690 01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:32.359 go look for other clues and indides. You've got to 1691 01:38:33.359 --> 01:38:37.119 structure where physics come into play. And you've got nine 1692 01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:41.239 different things coming to one point that ain't weather right, 1693 01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:43.319 but we can't say it's a bigfoot. 1694 01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:51.760 Yeah put it there, something or someone or something. Yeah, 1695 01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:53.520 you had to have nothing to do it. 1696 01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:58.239 It could be a regional but I always look for 1697 01:38:58.359 --> 01:39:00.640 a pin and people always uh. 1698 01:39:02.439 --> 01:39:04.920 I had some newbies with me and they didn't get it. 1699 01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:08.279 Because we were going through like that tree structure and 1700 01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:10.079 I'm like, no, that's not a tree structure. 1701 01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:10.880 That's dead fall. 1702 01:39:11.319 --> 01:39:15.359 And we're walking alongside that tree like nine dead that's 1703 01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:16.319 from a windstorm. 1704 01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:18.399 And I went to this other one. I'm looking at 1705 01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:20.720 it and I'm like, I think this one's a structure, 1706 01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:23.600 and they're like, what do you mean. I was like, well, 1707 01:39:24.479 --> 01:39:27.079 in my area read it could be a I was like, 1708 01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:30.880 there's a pin system. And they're like, what do you mean. 1709 01:39:31.720 --> 01:39:34.640 And there was this young lady standing right here beside me. 1710 01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:37.560 I said, well, if I pulled this branch and I 1711 01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:40.600 pulled this little piece of wood and that tree smacked 1712 01:39:40.640 --> 01:39:42.680 her right in the face. It just jumped up, went 1713 01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:46.079 bam and thrilled her and she laying on her back 1714 01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:49.399 and I'm like, it's a pins system. 1715 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:57.279 I mean, I just I just right upside the face 1716 01:39:58.279 --> 01:39:58.760 but I was. 1717 01:39:59.079 --> 01:40:01.279 She was standing in the what she could see, and 1718 01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:04.920 I was like, the ones I've noticed that I've I 1719 01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:07.800 have experienced with in my region is that there's always 1720 01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:11.359 this one piece of wood and I just barely pulled 1721 01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:14.119 it and this tree just wept boom. 1722 01:40:14.119 --> 01:40:15.239 And thrilled her. 1723 01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:22.560 And I'm like, looked, my bad. But yeah, so of 1724 01:40:22.640 --> 01:40:26.039 course she gets up looks me. She's like, you asshole, Like. 1725 01:40:26.159 --> 01:40:29.399 I did that on purpose. Like I didn't. 1726 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:32.760 I didn't put this together with the thought that I'm 1727 01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:35.119 going to hit you with a tree. I mean, we 1728 01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:38.479 just found this together. I just happened to see that 1729 01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:41.960 one stick, and I was like, and that's what a 1730 01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:44.319 lot of them are that I find. And that's one 1731 01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:47.640 thing I always look for, and that when you have 1732 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:51.199 all the bins coming in, it's like it's one weird 1733 01:40:51.439 --> 01:40:55.199 stick and it's always you know, just and if you 1734 01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:58.640 pull it, the whole thing will go and still it 1735 01:40:58.760 --> 01:40:59.199 right back. 1736 01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:02.920 Yeah, and it might not jump up, you know, if it's. 1737 01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:06.079 An older one. That might be like an old man 1738 01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:09.000 having his first time bag run. Take a minute, but 1739 01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:16.520 you know, yeah, that that's just yeah, I think my 1740 01:41:16.680 --> 01:41:20.720 computer one of my damn oh no, I still got battery, 1741 01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:22.119 gets everything flickering. 1742 01:41:24.239 --> 01:41:25.039 Now we still hear you? 1743 01:41:26.399 --> 01:41:35.600 Okay, yeah, black hair Awards. I got another fire up 1744 01:41:35.680 --> 01:41:37.720 the work phone. That's got a flash. 1745 01:41:37.479 --> 01:41:42.279 Light, missus. I was gonna say, missus, Honey Hartman, ain't 1746 01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:43.199 calling for your. 1747 01:41:44.159 --> 01:41:48.319 No, no, no, it's my light stying. But I got 1748 01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:51.680 a flashlight. So we're you look. 1749 01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:57.479 So is that your wife? Your first name? Her name Honey. Yeah, 1750 01:41:57.760 --> 01:41:58.479 I came across that. 1751 01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:02.960 That's pretty cool her that so back in the seventies, 1752 01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:06.960 her dad loved Bobby Goldsborough and he did that. 1753 01:42:07.199 --> 01:42:11.840 Song Honey, and so that's where her name came from. 1754 01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:13.039 Okay. 1755 01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:16.520 And then the the joke was that when she married me, 1756 01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:19.760 I unfortunately made her done like a porn star. 1757 01:42:20.319 --> 01:42:28.239 So yeah, I thought that Dave listened on your physbook page. 1758 01:42:28.279 --> 01:42:30.520 Honey Hartman. I think, oh, okay, he married to her. 1759 01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:37.760 Okay, yeah, like my bad, but yeah, yeah, but yeah, 1760 01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:41.600 her dad loved and which of course that song because 1761 01:42:41.640 --> 01:42:43.159 of hers in my playlist. 1762 01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:47.399 But yeah, he loved that song Honey by Bobby Goldsborough. 1763 01:42:47.640 --> 01:42:49.960 So that's how it. Okay, I heard. 1764 01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:55.079 Bobby Goldsborough name and he's taking I forgot about Bobby 1765 01:42:55.119 --> 01:42:56.439 Goldsborough from seventies. 1766 01:42:57.239 --> 01:43:04.600 He was that one hit wonder maybe two but yeah, yeah. 1767 01:43:05.239 --> 01:43:07.479 And what do you think about your involving with all this? 1768 01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:11.199 So she used to go with me all the time. 1769 01:43:12.039 --> 01:43:16.239 Ye and June eleventh, two thousand and eight, there was 1770 01:43:16.279 --> 01:43:20.680 a lady texting and driving on a blind corner and 1771 01:43:20.880 --> 01:43:23.520 hit us head on our motorcycle. 1772 01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:24.520 Wow. 1773 01:43:25.119 --> 01:43:28.399 So we were both life flighted. We were both ambulanced 1774 01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:33.680 and life flighted. I had more head trauma, but she 1775 01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:39.520 had more body damage, like her leg. It was kind 1776 01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:42.159 of like do we save it imputated kind of deal, 1777 01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:46.359 and they saved it. But so she can't really get 1778 01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:50.840 out the way that she used to. So she's okay 1779 01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:54.720 with it, But there are times that I'm sure it 1780 01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:58.159 gets annoying because I'm running off to the woods, I'm 1781 01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:01.680 having fun with so and so, running around with Darren Er. 1782 01:44:02.079 --> 01:44:05.239 We're going to Timmy, how's Tim Horton's, And then we're 1783 01:44:05.279 --> 01:44:08.319 gonna go, uh, you know, we're gonna go hit Woodbury 1784 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:11.359 and she's stuck at work or she's at home and 1785 01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:12.920 maybe her niece welled up. 1786 01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:15.159 So I can see why it gets. 1787 01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:19.439 Annoying from her point of view, But uh, this year, 1788 01:44:20.439 --> 01:44:23.039 she is going to go to the festivals with me 1789 01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:27.119 in the vendor tents, and so I upped my camping 1790 01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:31.399 from what I normally do, uh, you know, accommodate her 1791 01:44:31.479 --> 01:44:32.159 a little more. 1792 01:44:32.479 --> 01:44:39.199 So okay, but yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. 1793 01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:40.720 Oh no, no, you're good. 1794 01:44:41.680 --> 01:44:43.680 I was just gonna ask when you guys ever consider 1795 01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:45.800 coming down to Virginia. I mean, you got to want 1796 01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:48.119 to come back to come down to Virginia, can't Oh. 1797 01:44:48.199 --> 01:44:50.279 Yeah, oh yeah absolutely. 1798 01:44:50.439 --> 01:44:54.359 I mean I have a three one hundred and one 1799 01:44:54.479 --> 01:44:57.960 hundred and thirty or two hundred and thirty acres in Virginia. 1800 01:44:58.720 --> 01:45:07.319 So council Hayesi Honacer right outside the breaks. 1801 01:45:11.439 --> 01:45:12.039 The cannon. 1802 01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:18.560 Yeah, that's like okay, I did a library lecturer down 1803 01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:22.399 there a few years back, well four years ago. 1804 01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:28.279 My great great grandpa came here as a white slave 1805 01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:32.800 from Ireland. A rich farmer paid for their passage and 1806 01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:35.680 they had to work off their payment. While he was 1807 01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:39.800 doing that, the Revolutionary War broke out, and so his 1808 01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:44.239 owner whatever, signed him up to go fighting instead, and 1809 01:45:44.399 --> 01:45:49.960 he commander the cannon brigade over Chesapeake Bay, helped cut 1810 01:45:50.039 --> 01:45:53.239 the Cumberland Gap, and so when he was released from 1811 01:45:53.279 --> 01:45:56.880 the military, automatically released him from the bond with the 1812 01:45:57.039 --> 01:46:00.199 rich farmer, and he was given five hundred acres in 1813 01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:04.239 North Carolina. And that was the most prime, nasty, stupidest 1814 01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:06.680 ass swamp you ever seen in your life. So he 1815 01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:10.479 sold it, bought the Virginia property, and then my family's 1816 01:46:10.640 --> 01:46:14.359 just always been there, and now no one lives there 1817 01:46:14.399 --> 01:46:17.239 anymore because the cabin burnt down in the eighties. 1818 01:46:18.680 --> 01:46:22.399 And I went back here five six years ago for 1819 01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:23.439 like the first. 1820 01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:27.000 Time in thirty years, had to remo and recut the 1821 01:46:27.119 --> 01:46:31.119 road going up the mountain, kind of get the property 1822 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:37.399 somewhat back on track. And yeah, we got Uh, it's 1823 01:46:37.439 --> 01:46:40.920 either two hundred and thirty acres or one hundred and 1824 01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:45.039 thirty acres and they're black bear turkey, all kinds of 1825 01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:48.520 good little critters. Runner right over the ridge from one 1826 01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:50.159 of the elk preserves. 1827 01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:53.560 So okay, so you are. I was just about to 1828 01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:57.239 ask you if Bulchanic County or Buchanic, Virginia, because there's 1829 01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:00.560 true to the location on the hour south of me, 1830 01:47:00.760 --> 01:47:03.680 and the other one is almost three to four hours 1831 01:47:03.720 --> 01:47:04.000 south of. 1832 01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:12.399 Is Buchinan County. Yeah, right outside the Breaks not too 1833 01:47:12.479 --> 01:47:16.520 far from breaks Iner State Park in Kentucky, Virginia. That 1834 01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:22.760 that breaks line, Honaker. I can't think of the name 1835 01:47:22.840 --> 01:47:25.439 of the river off the top of my head, but. 1836 01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:31.960 Yeah, because there's actually a yeah it's cold country down there. 1837 01:47:32.479 --> 01:47:36.840 Yeah, maybe an hour from like two hours from Bristol, 1838 01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:39.720 an hour from Richmond, made something like that. 1839 01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:42.439 Yeah, yeah, it's a little further than Richmond. 1840 01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:42.800 It's more. 1841 01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:45.479 Yeah, you're on the south. I've been down there, Like 1842 01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:47.840 I said, it's been a few years or so, but uh, 1843 01:47:48.439 --> 01:47:51.960 there was a small library down there, and well it's 1844 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:54.560 actually a pretty Jesus sized library for the area there. 1845 01:47:55.840 --> 01:47:57.279 I got invited to come down there and do a 1846 01:47:57.840 --> 01:48:02.560 presentation down there. Live every pretty Jesus size. Yeah. I 1847 01:48:02.640 --> 01:48:05.479 mean when I was driving down there and riding through 1848 01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:09.079 the area before I got my destination of it, Wow, 1849 01:48:09.439 --> 01:48:12.319 this area looks like it's like an area where time 1850 01:48:12.399 --> 01:48:16.439 for guy, you know. Yeah, you know, it was like, yeah, 1851 01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:19.479 I didn't realize later until I was like, man, I'm 1852 01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:23.399 just made it from Kentucky, you know. You know, Uh, 1853 01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:25.960 it depends on what direction you were heading in. But yeah, 1854 01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:28.520 it's very watching down there, I will say that much. 1855 01:48:29.279 --> 01:48:34.560 Yeah, it's just definitely it's weird because it's the land 1856 01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:37.159 that time forgot. But it's the only wal Mart I've 1857 01:48:37.199 --> 01:48:40.560 ever seen with an escalator in it. It's like, what 1858 01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:45.039 possessed these backwoods ask people to put an escalator in 1859 01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:46.079 a Walmart? 1860 01:48:46.319 --> 01:48:49.840 Of all they got down there. Yeah, they're parking deck 1861 01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:50.640 for a Walmart. 1862 01:48:51.119 --> 01:48:52.720 Yeah, and there's only. 1863 01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:56.039 Four houses within ten miles of it. It's like, why 1864 01:48:56.119 --> 01:48:57.560 would you eat the escalator? 1865 01:48:57.720 --> 01:49:02.720 Well, that sounds like the very same area I was 1866 01:49:02.840 --> 01:49:06.159 in Buquette County the walmart. Yeah, they had a lower 1867 01:49:06.239 --> 01:49:11.199 level parking deck. Yeah, it was crazy. You the library 1868 01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:13.079 was running around the corner from here on the other side. 1869 01:49:13.199 --> 01:49:18.800 Okay, my property is about forty minutes from there, as 1870 01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:21.600 the crow flies, it's only ten. It's just that the 1871 01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:25.319 road does that number the whole way. So it's one 1872 01:49:25.359 --> 01:49:27.520 of those where if you're going too fast you can 1873 01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:29.880 actually put your lips out the window and kiss the 1874 01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:35.840 back bumper. And yeah, so if the roads were straight 1875 01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:38.560 or it would be ten minutes from there. But it's 1876 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:40.359 just the way they had to make the. 1877 01:49:40.479 --> 01:49:44.560 Path so that down there. I will remember. I was 1878 01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:48.319 very thankful after my after the library presentation I did, 1879 01:49:48.399 --> 01:49:51.279 I went there was a I had meet some dinner 1880 01:49:51.760 --> 01:49:54.920 they had a Chinese restaurant. 1881 01:49:55.000 --> 01:50:00.920 There was yeah, yeah, yes. 1882 01:50:02.199 --> 01:50:05.520 Eight houses, but a Walmart and a China bove Ye. 1883 01:50:06.119 --> 01:50:11.319 The years ago and I don't even remember. 1884 01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:13.199 What relative died. We had to go there for a 1885 01:50:13.279 --> 01:50:15.560 funeral and we were looking for a little town in 1886 01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:18.600 that area called War. And there was this old lady 1887 01:50:18.640 --> 01:50:21.039 walking down the sidewalk. It's like, we're looking for a 1888 01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:24.720 funeral parlor in War, Virginia, and now we damned that 1889 01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:26.600 she didn't turn around and say, do you want War 1890 01:50:26.760 --> 01:50:27.800 one or War two? 1891 01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:31.319 And it's like, yeah, they had to give us a choice. 1892 01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:36.119 It's like, how do we know we're looking for War? 1893 01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:37.960 We didn't know there were two of them. 1894 01:50:40.159 --> 01:50:43.079 Does one have a funeral home and one does it 1895 01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:47.119 by chance? And no, they both had funeral homes. 1896 01:50:47.319 --> 01:50:56.359 So yeah, wow, But that area, it is a very 1897 01:50:56.520 --> 01:51:00.439 neat looking area down there. And yeah, there's a state 1898 01:51:00.520 --> 01:51:04.119 park not far audience. Like I think the day before 1899 01:51:04.279 --> 01:51:07.399 I left, before I had home, I got up early, 1900 01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:10.760 left my hotel room, and yeah, there was a state 1901 01:51:10.840 --> 01:51:13.119 park somewhere nearby. I forget what it was called, but 1902 01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:15.760 I went in to the state park. And I mean 1903 01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:18.479 talking about I have I posted pictures from here as 1904 01:51:18.479 --> 01:51:23.439 though the area is beautiful out there. Uh it's I 1905 01:51:23.479 --> 01:51:25.359 don't I don't want to call it a resort, but 1906 01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:31.239 it's kind of like a resort they have Yeah, yeah, 1907 01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:34.479 overlooked the mountain ridge. I mean you get a full 1908 01:51:34.600 --> 01:51:37.680 view of beautiful view of this. I don't know, I 1909 01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:39.720 like that. I don't even I would have to look 1910 01:51:39.760 --> 01:51:42.439 it up. I don't remember what it's called, but I 1911 01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:45.880 recalled they had a gift shop there, you know. You know, 1912 01:51:46.079 --> 01:51:49.039 I don't know they haven't had some Bigfoot merchandise beside 1913 01:51:49.079 --> 01:51:55.439 the door, you know which. Uh yeah, it's a very 1914 01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:57.880 neat area. I would definitely love to come down to 1915 01:51:57.960 --> 01:52:01.560 that area again to visit. And uh, I don't know, 1916 01:52:01.800 --> 01:52:04.039 maybe some day down the some day down the road, 1917 01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:06.479 I go back down there. One of the people that 1918 01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:10.479 attended the library that I spoke at, I know, there's 1919 01:52:10.479 --> 01:52:12.079 one lady she wanted me to come do it. Like 1920 01:52:12.239 --> 01:52:14.079 last year, she wanted to come down to do a 1921 01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:17.640 U birthday party for a little boy, you know, and 1922 01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:21.319 and you a big footiding Catholic. I just it didn't 1923 01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:22.680 work out. I couldn't do it. 1924 01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:23.000 You know. 1925 01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:25.199 It's like, you know, but it's whatever. 1926 01:52:28.239 --> 01:52:31.039 But I'm that weird guy that when I go and 1927 01:52:31.159 --> 01:52:32.079 do an area. 1928 01:52:31.840 --> 01:52:34.840 It's like, hey, like, no, man, I got any math. 1929 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:36.840 It's like I don't want math. Have you seen or 1930 01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:39.600 heard anything about bigfoot? You know that? 1931 01:52:41.199 --> 01:52:41.359 Right? 1932 01:52:41.479 --> 01:52:42.479 And then then they. 1933 01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:45.560 Look at you where like I'd be feel more comfortable 1934 01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:46.840 if you were kind of buy math. 1935 01:52:47.239 --> 01:52:52.600 But I'm the fruit loop looking for big vo. What 1936 01:52:52.760 --> 01:52:53.479 can you tell me? 1937 01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:54.520 Yeah? 1938 01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:56.239 Yeah, that's me. 1939 01:52:56.600 --> 01:53:00.079 So do what you gotta do? 1940 01:53:01.600 --> 01:53:05.600 You do you do well? 1941 01:53:05.600 --> 01:53:08.119 I'll tell you what, Mike, this has been awesome. This 1942 01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:10.920 has been really good. But as we come to a 1943 01:53:10.960 --> 01:53:15.560 close here, would you like the viewers and listeners, Uh, 1944 01:53:16.479 --> 01:53:18.439 is there anything you want to want to share for 1945 01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:22.720 the listeners for the rebrun on YouTube and this is 1946 01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:27.079 also will be on eacdr B radio heard on all 1947 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:28.239 the major platforms. 1948 01:53:28.399 --> 01:53:33.239 So I would say, just next time you're ound, just 1949 01:53:33.479 --> 01:53:38.399 pay attention to your surroundings. Don't always look to notice 1950 01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:43.279 the big things. Sometimes look for the little things. And 1951 01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:47.000 don't be one of those hikers that always looks down 1952 01:53:47.239 --> 01:53:51.000 for tracks. Sometimes you got to look up for tracks 1953 01:53:51.880 --> 01:53:55.279 and right you'll see the little that whole line of 1954 01:53:55.479 --> 01:53:58.920 eight foot branches. Just snap nap, snap nap, now where 1955 01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:01.680 something look for the little stuff. 1956 01:54:02.039 --> 01:54:05.359 But that would be the one thing I would leave 1957 01:54:05.640 --> 01:54:07.520 with your listeners viewers. 1958 01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:11.560 Whatnot is, don't always look for big stuff, sometimes look 1959 01:54:11.640 --> 01:54:13.000 for little nuances. 1960 01:54:14.119 --> 01:54:20.079 Yeah, good points, very good, good point, excellent, excellent, Dan, Melissa, 1961 01:54:20.119 --> 01:54:21.640 you have anything else you want to share before we 1962 01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:22.159 jump off? 1963 01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:24.880 No, that's pretty much it. I guess we'll see again 1964 01:54:24.920 --> 01:54:25.760 in a couple of weekends. 1965 01:54:26.279 --> 01:54:30.079 Yeah, absolutely, next weekend because of one of this. And Mike, well, 1966 01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:33.159 like I mentioned earlier, I don't know how your schedule 1967 01:54:33.239 --> 01:54:36.439 is and how your work schedulings and whatnot. We got 1968 01:54:36.479 --> 01:54:38.880 a group camp out coming up in May May seventeen 1969 01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:40.840 for the twenty third. So if I mean, if it's 1970 01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:42.920 something you think you could do, I mean, hey, we 1971 01:54:42.960 --> 01:54:46.159 would love to have you there, you know, Okay, feel free. 1972 01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:47.880 You can bring the missus, you know, because you know, 1973 01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:50.479 like even if she can't get out and hike and explore, like, 1974 01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:53.239 we have a group that usually stays back of camp 1975 01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:56.399 and look at so you know, she wouldn't be alone, 1976 01:54:56.560 --> 01:55:00.079 so you know, she would only be well companied. And 1977 01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:03.079 you know, and we have some great people that hang 1978 01:55:03.119 --> 01:55:05.399 around the camp and don't get out there for the 1979 01:55:05.439 --> 01:55:08.840 rest of us do. So yeah, you know, so you know, 1980 01:55:08.920 --> 01:55:10.640 if it's something we want to do, let us know. 1981 01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:15.880 I'll for you the GPS coordinates to the location. But 1982 01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:20.159 again that's May seventeen through the twenty third, and uh yeah, 1983 01:55:20.479 --> 01:55:23.279 we're looking forward to it. I got some investigations coming 1984 01:55:23.359 --> 01:55:25.600 up between now and then because I'll be actually in 1985 01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:30.239 Pennsylvania coming up, uh not next week with the week after, 1986 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:32.680 I got a long group, a long camp out with 1987 01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:37.720 meeting up. For those who know Chadwick Gales, I'll be 1988 01:55:38.479 --> 01:55:42.279 investigating an area he's been investigating and checking out in 1989 01:55:42.359 --> 01:55:44.960 the Chestnut Bridge area, which has got a lot of 1990 01:55:45.039 --> 01:55:48.920 strange activity. Yeah, Chestnut Ridge area. Yeah, he's got some 1991 01:55:49.119 --> 01:55:52.319 strange He's actually found some free toe tracks in that area. 1992 01:55:52.920 --> 01:55:55.239 He's had a lot of other weird experiences and talking 1993 01:55:55.239 --> 01:56:00.279 about strange lights, yeah, he's captured them on his trail campers. Yeah, 1994 01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:02.880 he's got some weird lights on his camera. And uh, 1995 01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:06.520 I'm looking forward to getting up there and hopefully while 1996 01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:08.880 I'm up there, I hopefully we get to hear the 1997 01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:12.439 experience and stuff while we're there. So it's gonna be 1998 01:56:12.479 --> 01:56:13.239 pretty interesting. 1999 01:56:14.199 --> 01:56:14.399 Yeah. 2000 01:56:15.319 --> 01:56:19.119 Yeah, So but again, uh, you have the invice out 2001 01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:21.479 there two year. You're welcome, more than welcome to join us. 2002 01:56:21.560 --> 01:56:27.359 We would love that. Okay, good deal. And if you 2003 01:56:27.479 --> 01:56:29.840 can't make it again, I guess I'll see you in 2004 01:56:29.880 --> 01:56:32.439 October at the West Virginia Festival. 2005 01:56:33.199 --> 01:56:33.399 Yeah. 2006 01:56:34.159 --> 01:56:38.640 Absolutely, And same goes after you, Melissa David. If you 2007 01:56:38.680 --> 01:56:40.520 guys can make it up there, I'll be out there 2008 01:56:40.560 --> 01:56:44.439 Friday Saturday, and I'll be coming home Sunday, October ninth th, 2009 01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:50.800 the eleventh. Uh in Summersville, Pennsylvania. It's gonna be Summersville, 2010 01:56:50.880 --> 01:57:01.279 West Virginia. I'm sorry, Yeah, Nicholas veterans. Yeah, I'm getting 2011 01:57:01.319 --> 01:57:04.119 things mixed up because you know, I'm not gonna tell 2012 01:57:04.119 --> 01:57:05.720 you how much I've had to drink what I drink 2013 01:57:05.760 --> 01:57:11.079 all the time, but try and oil almost a whole 2014 01:57:11.560 --> 01:57:16.119 chase of bush beer. But yeah, I'm good. God An 2015 01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:21.760 there's still more beer out of the fridge in the garage, 2016 01:57:21.840 --> 01:57:28.000 so I don't know. We'll see. So hey, guys, I 2017 01:57:28.079 --> 01:57:31.560 want to thank you guys very much, and uh, stay 2018 01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:33.600 tuned to the very end. I'll be back with a 2019 01:57:33.640 --> 01:57:38.039 few last minor announcements. But keep the squatching everyone, and uh, Mike, 2020 01:57:38.119 --> 01:57:38.520 it's been. 2021 01:57:38.439 --> 01:57:41.279 A pleasure absolutely, it's been wonderful. 2022 01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:43.119 We need to do it again sometimes. 2023 01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:44.640 Absolutely. 2024 01:57:48.359 --> 01:58:53.279 Thank you guys, all right, m alright, ladies and gentlemen. 2025 01:58:53.319 --> 01:58:56.880 I'll be enjoyed tonight's podcast. Uh. I thought that was 2026 01:58:57.000 --> 01:59:00.800 very awesome. I reviewed. But ladies and gentlemen, I thank 2027 01:59:00.840 --> 01:59:04.800 you guys enough for tuning in and listening. Uh. Next Friday, 2028 01:59:05.039 --> 01:59:08.760 excuse me, let me back up. Next Saturday, we will 2029 01:59:08.800 --> 01:59:15.720 be doing our final podcast of the year until further notice. 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