Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Big for
Speaker 1: Zone ECBRO and if you're listening on the rerun or
Speaker 1: on ECBR Bigfoot Radio, which is found on any of
Speaker 1: your favorite podcast platforms, well, we're glad to have you,
Speaker 1: ladies and Gentlemen's a couple of announcements I want to
Speaker 1: go through before we jump right into our segment tonight.
Speaker 1: We have a special guest with us, mister Mike Hartman
Speaker 1: from Ohio. We're gonna be bringing me on very shortly,
Speaker 1: but I do want to remind everybody if this is
Speaker 1: the first time listening or tuning in, or if you've
Speaker 1: been watching, do you want to remind you of a
Speaker 1: few newly published books right A Year Trail of the Unknown,
Speaker 1: Journey Beyond Truth, The Bigfoot Zone, A comprehensions research doctrine
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot investigations, and of course my very first children's
Speaker 1: book based off of me and my grandson, Caden Goes Camping.
Speaker 1: These books could be found on Lulu dot com, So
Speaker 1: if you go to Lulu dot com and go to
Speaker 1: their bookstore, you will find these. So I encourage you
Speaker 1: to jump jump on these, take advantage of these, especially
Speaker 1: if you plan on attending, and I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you what I was not planning. I was not planning
Speaker 1: on attending or being a part of any speaking engagements
Speaker 1: this year. But yes, I will be found at the
Speaker 1: West Virginia Bigfoot Festival this year. I've been there about
Speaker 1: four times, at least four times. Actually maybe it's yeah,
Speaker 1: four or five times. Anyway, I spoke every time I
Speaker 1: have attended there. I spoke at each one except for one.
Speaker 1: But I will be your speaker this year. They do
Speaker 1: a Friday, Saturday and Sunday of course October ninth through
Speaker 1: the eleventh. October ninth, which is a Friday, So among
Speaker 1: the speakers, they have me scheduled for Friday, October ninth.
Speaker 1: I'll be speaking at this event, and I do plan
Speaker 1: on having my book there, possibly a few DVDs. A
Speaker 1: few DVDs. What DVDs will I have? Well, the first
Speaker 1: season of Bigfoot Explorers. That's right, Bigfoot Explorers is streaming
Speaker 1: on Fossol TV network, So yeah, that's exciting. We finally
Speaker 1: got it on there after it just took forever to
Speaker 1: get on there, but we're glad that it's on there.
Speaker 1: So there's a possibility that I may have DVDs. I've
Speaker 1: already talked to the film distribution guy. You asked me, Hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to have some do these copies? I said, well,
Speaker 1: if I can afford them, sure. You know, if I
Speaker 1: can get copies, that'd be great. I told him, I
Speaker 1: want to make sure I can afford copies of my
Speaker 1: own books to sell there to you, So you know,
Speaker 1: we'll kind of go from there, see how that works out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this year, twenty twenty six, the West Virginia
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Festival. You can find me yours truly, Daniel Jay Benoit.
Speaker 1: I will be there from Friday through Sunday, so but
Speaker 1: the main day is Friday and Saturday. I won't be
Speaker 1: there too long on Sunday. It's roughly about a four
Speaker 1: hour drive for me, and I'll be heading home Sunday
Speaker 1: around noontime. So enough for me rambling. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: a little bit of this later. We may, you know,
Speaker 1: repeat this. I may share some of this again if
Speaker 1: you have any questions. One more thing too talk about
Speaker 1: West Virginia, and I don't I didn't bring it up
Speaker 1: here to post on here, but April eleventh, April eleventh,
Speaker 1: there is a Bigfoot town hall gathering at the in
Speaker 1: parks Burg, West Virginia at the Oh my goodness, I
Speaker 1: should have had this written down at the Parkersburg Wood
Speaker 1: County Library and I will be there April eleventh. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we gather some reports, some story I hope people anyone
Speaker 1: who has stories, I would love to hear from them,
Speaker 1: because I will have my camera there. I would love
Speaker 1: to interview them. But I will also be doing a
Speaker 1: presentation there also in the same month of April. Right
Speaker 1: here in Virginia, I do have a flyer for this
Speaker 1: Let's talk Bigfoot. It's a town hall gathering happening in Waynesboro,
Speaker 1: Virginia at the Waynesboro Public Library April twenty fifth, from
Speaker 1: ten am to one thirty pm. And so right around
Speaker 1: eleven thirty I will we start my presentation. We will
Speaker 1: be having some of our equipment there on display to
Speaker 1: kind of show people some of the stuff that we
Speaker 1: use and what we like to use is that we
Speaker 1: you know, we'd love to experiment with. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be taking place twenty fifth. It's the
Speaker 1: Waynesboro Public Library from ten am to one thirty pm.
Speaker 1: So be sure to check this out and tune in
Speaker 1: This is exciting. Uh. You know, we love to talk
Speaker 1: bigfoot with people. Anytime there's a big foot in the conversation,
Speaker 1: we're all about it. I love talking bigfoot. I love
Speaker 1: hearing people the stories and reports. And you know what,
Speaker 1: so does our guest. We're gonna be uh bringing our
Speaker 1: guests in very shortly as we get started. It's the
Speaker 1: latest gentle with bear with me as I get this
Speaker 1: situated here, let's bring in our crew members here, David
Speaker 1: and Melissa. Hey, how you guys doing tonight? David and Melissa?
Speaker 2: We're doing that right, doing great?
Speaker 1: Another night?
Speaker 2: Another night?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. One thing I do want to throw out
Speaker 1: there too for everybody listening to night and next weekend,
Speaker 1: next week will be the last podcast for a while because,
Speaker 1: as you guys know, I like it for we're in
Speaker 1: podcast seasons. So, but as of next weekend, we have
Speaker 1: one more guest, but he will be on not next Friday,
Speaker 1: but next Saturday. Dave Scott. He's actually having me on
Speaker 1: his podcast that Thursday night. Then he's gonna be our
Speaker 1: guest on our podcast on Saturday night. So and then
Speaker 1: after that I am going to keep the schedule open
Speaker 1: and clear because that's you know we're getting nicer weather.
Speaker 1: I got stuff going on. My grandson is bugging me.
Speaker 1: When are we gonna go camping again? Grandpa so soon?
Speaker 1: And singing and so so yeah. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure there's time available to make sure I get him
Speaker 1: out there in those woods, you know. And then plus
Speaker 1: we got our group camp out coming up in May.
Speaker 1: But before we bring our guests on, I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you guys, was there any announcements or anything that
Speaker 1: you guys wanted to share or throw out there before
Speaker 1: we bring Mike in here.
Speaker 2: No, it's glad to bring them in before you fall
Speaker 2: asleep on us.
Speaker 1: Not a problem. Here we are, Mike, Welcome to tonight's podcast.
Speaker 1: How you doing.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm doing great. It's fantastic to be here with
Speaker 3: you guys, the E C B R O. So I'm
Speaker 3: looking forward to this awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you on here. I know you
Speaker 1: seem pretty busy a lot of times, you know, And
Speaker 1: I know you're pretty much well involved with a lot
Speaker 1: of this, you know, And I watched I haven't watched
Speaker 1: anything recently because I'm not sure for you actually put
Speaker 1: anything out reasons. But over the years I've watched a
Speaker 1: lot of your you know, your Facebook lives and your
Speaker 1: shows and stuff, and I love the way you go
Speaker 1: about doing things. I love how you're you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you you're serious, but you know, like I feel like
Speaker 1: you throw some humor in there, but you're being dead
Speaker 1: serious at the same time when you talk and present,
Speaker 1: you know, and I love it.
Speaker 3: You gotta have fun with it, so, I mean, you
Speaker 3: have to, so it's otherwise it's very gedious, very boring.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think part of what I find entertaining
Speaker 1: is like some of the stuff I've watched me like,
Speaker 1: like you'll bring up people's names when you're trying to
Speaker 1: clear something when there's an issue or even if it's
Speaker 1: a somebody trying to bring drama up and getting you involved.
Speaker 1: You're trying to clear the you know, clear the you
Speaker 1: know smoke, you know, let me show you, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what I you know, feel pretty much kind
Speaker 1: of thing, you know, stuff like that, you know. So
Speaker 1: I know, I've dealt with all kinds of crazy people
Speaker 1: you know over.
Speaker 4: Yea, So I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that
Speaker 4: a bit.
Speaker 2: So well, my, uh, what got you started in this hell?
Speaker 1: Long?
Speaker 2: Have you been in this uh field.
Speaker 3: So for me, it started in eighty three, eighty four
Speaker 3: with the third grade. I just it was just a
Speaker 3: trip to the school library, is all it was. You know,
Speaker 3: all the kids line up at the door. We walked
Speaker 3: down and I found this book by John Green called
Speaker 3: on the Track of Bigfoot. And I checked the book
Speaker 3: out and I to this day still't have it. So
Speaker 3: I owe a huge fine for this book if that
Speaker 3: school ever goes to collect But yeah, I still have
Speaker 3: that book to this day. And so yeah, and it
Speaker 3: just I was flipping through, you know, of course I
Speaker 3: read it. But in the middle of the book was
Speaker 3: a picture of Patty in that frame, you know, at
Speaker 3: three fifty seven fifty two where she's facing.
Speaker 4: The camera, and.
Speaker 3: I that picture drove me insane because I realized there's
Speaker 3: so much missing in that picture, and it's the information
Speaker 3: around it. I had to know more, what is it?
Speaker 3: What does it do? Where does it live, what does
Speaker 3: it eat? Where does it sleep, how does it function?
Speaker 3: How does it And with my ADHD, that just grabbed
Speaker 3: me and it was my go to and kind of
Speaker 3: really my life saver at one point in my life.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was just my go to thing. Back then,
Speaker 3: you weren't autistic or blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: You were either that horrible R.
Speaker 3: Word retarded, You were learning disabled, or that was it,
Speaker 3: you was mentally retarded. You was learning to say. They
Speaker 3: didn't know about ADHD, And so the schools always labeled
Speaker 3: me as learning disabled. And my dad figured it out
Speaker 3: out and he said, learning disabled my ass because I
Speaker 3: got a hundred on my hunting nixam. And my dad
Speaker 3: was like, he's not learning disabled. Heal me focuses on
Speaker 3: what he wants to focus on, period, and that's all
Speaker 3: he's going on. And as soon as everyone figured that out,
Speaker 3: the teachers found ways to keep me entertained and keep
Speaker 3: me engaged basically.
Speaker 4: But Bigfoot was my go.
Speaker 3: To So.
Speaker 2: I can tell you, I can tell Williams alive now, Yeah,
Speaker 2: say the name of that book again that you got
Speaker 2: when he was in third grade.
Speaker 3: So it was on the Track or on the Trail
Speaker 3: of Bigfoot by John Green, and two people wrote the
Speaker 3: exact same book, like there was a merriam t place
Speaker 3: or palace that wrote the same title of the same
Speaker 3: book the same year, almost the same cover. And I thought,
Speaker 3: but I never read that one because again at ADHD,
Speaker 3: I read this one. This is the one I like,
Speaker 3: this is the one I want, So that's the one
Speaker 3: I focused on. And yeah, it just to this.
Speaker 4: I had that so at when I left for the Navy.
Speaker 3: That book had rubber bands around it because when you
Speaker 3: opened it, all the pages fell out and you had
Speaker 3: to put all the numbers back in order. So when
Speaker 3: you read it, you had to put a page over here,
Speaker 3: read the next page, put it over on the pile,
Speaker 3: Read the next page, put it on the pile. And
Speaker 3: I had handwritten notes all through it. And my mom
Speaker 3: swear she has it in a trunk somewhere over at
Speaker 3: her place.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, John Green, among a few others. He's
Speaker 1: considered one of the four horsemen of the Big community
Speaker 1: pretty much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hit him, Grover Krants.
Speaker 3: I mean, they were my John Wayne's growing up.
Speaker 4: They were my heroes.
Speaker 3: I mean, if it was Saturday morning, I was watching
Speaker 3: Bill Dance outdoors, if it was in the afternoon, I
Speaker 3: was watching John Wayne. And if it was a book,
Speaker 3: or it was Bigfoot, and it was Grover, it was Renee,
Speaker 3: it was Green. Yeah, oh crap, now he can't think
Speaker 3: of his name figures.
Speaker 4: I'll think of it in ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there was somebody out there. Let me ask you.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. You know, there's a lot of incredible
Speaker 1: foot besides, well look, let me let me start with,
Speaker 1: what's what's your take on the Pattistine? How do you
Speaker 1: see and do that?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: I just I love it, But there's way too much
Speaker 3: because again the way my brain works, I see Patty,
Speaker 3: I see when you watch the whole film, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you notice Patterson is running because the camera's going everywhere right,
Speaker 3: and then you see the log and you can tell
Speaker 3: that the camera gets popped up, and then for just
Speaker 3: those few seconds, it's so still and nice, and you
Speaker 3: have the movement, you have the armswing, you have the
Speaker 3: head turn, and something just tells you it's not a person.
Speaker 3: But I need that information around it.
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 3: If it ain't a person, what it what is it?
Speaker 3: What's it doing there? Where's it going? Why is it
Speaker 3: where it is? I mean why why right there? I'm
Speaker 3: that particular pinpoint on the map and not one hundred
Speaker 3: yards that way? Why is it right here and right?
Speaker 3: Those little details kill me, They'll drive me nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I could add something to that, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, first of all, like I've told many people
Speaker 1: and on podcast myself, that footage alone, it was a
Speaker 1: big part, not the only thing, but a big part
Speaker 1: of what got me involved with this in the first place.
Speaker 1: And I think I speak for so many others out
Speaker 1: there too. Oh yeah, it was a fascinated footage. But
Speaker 1: then if you start looking into a lot of deeper
Speaker 1: details waiting here. Well, just the year prior to this film,
Speaker 1: Roger Pattinson himself just put out a book. On the
Speaker 1: cover there was a female sasquatch.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Catch. Then a year later then they filmed Patty coincidence,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, right, you know, So there's things like that,
Speaker 1: like you're like, what's going on here? But then again,
Speaker 1: they're going out to the woods, they're going out the
Speaker 1: bluff creak to film a big foot. Hey, they happen
Speaker 1: to get glucky and film at big point. Coincidence or not,
Speaker 1: you know, So those are things that can make you
Speaker 1: scratch your head, like these red flags. But then again
Speaker 1: we look at the other alternatives like okay, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: uh no, I should say alternatives, but look at the
Speaker 1: other situation like well, Hollywood did not have this equipment
Speaker 1: to produce this, So they Disney did not have the
Speaker 1: you know, technology to produce this. But then there was
Speaker 1: footcasts that were found the studies and analyzed and proven
Speaker 1: to be. Hey, this is something from a real flesh
Speaker 1: and blood creature, the Gateway and everything else in between.
Speaker 1: They can't prepare a match to a human gateway, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like you're being it's like a tug of
Speaker 1: war game on this as credibility to it. But this
Speaker 1: makes it really think otherwise, you know. So that's how
Speaker 1: I am. I mean you to stay on a fan, right.
Speaker 2: William has a question on here. I'm not even familiar
Speaker 2: with this. He's William is saying that this is William Nighthawk.
Speaker 2: What do you think about the m K davis research
Speaker 2: findings about Patty being drawn in by her family and
Speaker 2: being killed.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of m K stuff, but I'll
Speaker 1: I'm yeah.
Speaker 4: This, yeah, he kinda how does he word it?
Speaker 3: I guess a computer guru and he does a lot
Speaker 3: of uh creations, you know, to bring stuff to.
Speaker 4: Light and videos works with computer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, animation draw red lines on stuff.
Speaker 1: But game it is no different than any of us
Speaker 1: playing with a computer, that's all he is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I do the exact thing. I
Speaker 3: tried to, you know, figure out at olenks blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But his findings about Patty being drawn in by her
Speaker 3: family being killed?
Speaker 4: Where is that?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Where does that come from?
Speaker 1: What you made me want to throw a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff out there, but this is your show. I want
Speaker 1: to get into it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm sinking the same thing just reading the
Speaker 2: question there. I mean, I'm not even familiar with that,
Speaker 2: but just by reading the question, how would you even
Speaker 2: know that exactly?
Speaker 3: And that's so just like yeah, just like Daniel said,
Speaker 3: you know, Patterson made the book right, and then he
Speaker 3: films Patty Well, he was an alcoholic and THAT'X rodeo
Speaker 3: writer broke off his ass. He bounced the check that
Speaker 3: he rented the camera with, and then he shoots this
Speaker 3: immaculate piece of footage that no one on the playing it.
Speaker 3: So either he was the luckiest broke guy on the planet,
Speaker 3: I mean absolutely lucky, or he pulled.
Speaker 4: Off the world's best oaks.
Speaker 3: It's one or the other, and it's it's it's apples
Speaker 3: and oranges.
Speaker 4: There's no middle.
Speaker 3: Coud you can't have a half feate Patty or a
Speaker 3: half real bigfoot. It's either a person or it's a
Speaker 3: big foot, and it leaves it to the imagination exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. But you know, the whole emptying.
Speaker 1: You know, when all he was doing anything, I mean,
Speaker 1: back when I was very blunt and more I was
Speaker 1: spoken on a lot of stuff, it was uh oh there,
Speaker 1: put your head then, No, I didn't touch nothing, Okay,
Speaker 1: But yeah, the whole Mka Davis situation, I mean he
Speaker 1: got I mean, he must have been bored out of
Speaker 1: his freaking mind. You know, he just uh, he just
Speaker 1: got bored out of his mind and start playing with
Speaker 1: the computers. Say I'm gonna make up these colors and
Speaker 1: play with see what I can do the adding contrast
Speaker 1: to this image and these greenshots. Yeah, hey, look at
Speaker 1: the blood, the puddle of blood there. You know, hey,
Speaker 1: there was a masker here, right, Yeah, no evidence of this,
Speaker 1: but your imagination is that you create this. You got
Speaker 1: software on your computer that changes colors on ship. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm now, yeah, I mean, you're right.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people that would be the
Speaker 3: best way to be politically correct if I was going
Speaker 3: to attempt that. I guess a lot of people try
Speaker 3: to find a niche to where they don't care about
Speaker 3: the research, they don't care about the history, that they
Speaker 3: just want to be big famous period. And I think
Speaker 3: for him at that time, because now I can just
Speaker 3: hit a button and say, hey, Jim and I do
Speaker 3: this to this film.
Speaker 4: Okay, Mike, I.
Speaker 3: Will do that, and then yeah, Bayham, here it is.
Speaker 3: But at that time he had that ability to do so,
Speaker 3: which made him look smart.
Speaker 1: Run.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like Ron moorehead right that the guy
Speaker 3: who recorded the Sierra sounds all great. But then on
Speaker 3: this last TV show I watched him, he said that
Speaker 3: Bigfoot the materializes, absorbs into a tree and that's how
Speaker 3: it recharges, like you were plugging in your cell phone,
Speaker 3: and then it comes out of the tree and rematerializes.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, this, sum bitch. Did the Sierra sound?
Speaker 3: The Sierra sound like the Holy Grail of audio? And
Speaker 3: now this guy's telling me that Bigfoot will de materialize,
Speaker 3: charge its batteries inside of a tree and then pop
Speaker 3: out and re become Bigfoot. It's like what happened here?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not so familiar with that part, but
Speaker 1: speaking scientifically, trees give off energy.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, yes, right, yeah, yeah, everything, because I
Speaker 5: even like, I have a friend who can't go deer
Speaker 5: hunting without a heck suit because they put out so
Speaker 5: much electromagnetic they cut and kill a deer.
Speaker 3: If God himself was pointing the barrel for him, I mean,
Speaker 3: he just can't get close to him. So he has
Speaker 3: to wear one of those heck suits that trap all
Speaker 3: that stuff then because deer pick up on it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well I'm not exactly sure that real quick.
Speaker 3: Okay, So hex technology it's HX and what it is.
Speaker 3: They found out that everybody has electromagnetic waves and it
Speaker 3: was first discovered with sharks, and that's how sharks can
Speaker 3: kind of hunt. They can sense this electromatic vibration of
Speaker 3: a fish trying to swim away. It puts out like
Speaker 3: a pulse, so a shark can tract that to the
Speaker 3: fish even in a dark and you know, bite the
Speaker 3: little bugger and have a nice meal. Well then they
Speaker 3: start testing it on other wildlife and they found out
Speaker 3: that yeah, these guys who were going out hunting, trap
Speaker 3: and going after these animals, wildlife ittographers, some of them
Speaker 3: can get close to these animals for some reason, and
Speaker 3: some of these guys can't. So what this heck suit
Speaker 3: does is it block It's almost like a wearable magnet,
Speaker 3: I guess for lack of a better term, but it
Speaker 3: traps your electron magnetic feel that the human body, the
Speaker 3: heart mainly in your brain, automatically put out. It just
Speaker 3: stops that electromagnetic because they found out in the hunting
Speaker 3: world that gear can pick up on it, and the
Speaker 3: suit blocks that from being able to be noticed. And
Speaker 3: when it first came out, I'm like, nah, I don't
Speaker 3: buy it. But then I went to a Honeynecks bow
Speaker 3: and they held this machine up to me and it
Speaker 3: went like ver and the needle barely moved. And my buddy,
Speaker 3: who never gets his deer, they hit him and it
Speaker 3: was like nastle lit up. There was sirens, there was bells.
Speaker 3: He just had this crazy pulse and I was like,
Speaker 3: you're kidding me. So they put this suit on them
Speaker 3: and then they ran it over them again. It's just
Speaker 3: like a sleeve you put on. And when they reran
Speaker 3: it over them, it was the tone of mind that
Speaker 3: the needle barely moved, and it was just.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what.
Speaker 3: But it made sense to me because you're just machine
Speaker 3: showing it to me with an actual readoubt and you know,
Speaker 3: it's like.
Speaker 4: A many many, many volt meter.
Speaker 3: And then when you get to looking into it, you
Speaker 3: find out that your brain puts out so many micro
Speaker 3: volts micro amps, every beat of your heart puts out
Speaker 3: x amount of whatever, and your static electricity.
Speaker 2: Well, you can make it basically a correlation with that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've experienced it many people. I know, I
Speaker 2: have the words. Sometimes you can just be aroused somebody
Speaker 2: for the first time and you just get that vibe, yeah,
Speaker 2: that you don't want to associate with them, or there's
Speaker 2: something not right with them. I mean it's not every
Speaker 2: day you feel that, but a couple of times, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, and even reversal that where you might walk
Speaker 3: by someone and for some reason you think that person
Speaker 3: was really pleasant and I don't you know, yeah, and
Speaker 3: then there's somewhere they walk by and it's like you
Speaker 3: keep going asshole and you go on about your way.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's well, yeah, as.
Speaker 2: Far as Bigfook goes. Uh, I'm not an experienced I
Speaker 2: haven't seen anymore any think. Yeah, that's why we're out
Speaker 2: doing research. Sorry, about five years ago with Daniel, he
Speaker 2: got us involved in this. We've always had the interest
Speaker 2: what kind of research do you do? How deep do
Speaker 2: you get into the research to where you back from
Speaker 2: the third grade up until now where we're at.
Speaker 3: So I kept up with the I guess, the armchair
Speaker 3: aspect all through high school, all the way up til
Speaker 3: I graduated, because even though the Minerva Monster incident happened,
Speaker 3: I didn't think every every book I ever read was California, California, California, Pacific,
Speaker 3: Northwest Pacific, Northwest California, and I thought that that was
Speaker 3: just where they were. So through the beginning years it
Speaker 3: was all armchair. And then when I joined the Navy,
Speaker 3: they put me in Gulfport, Mississippi, and I found these
Speaker 3: old boys at the general store and they were telling
Speaker 3: me some stories and you know, like, hey, if I
Speaker 3: went out to the swamps, am I going to get
Speaker 3: eaten by a gator?
Speaker 4: I just want to go see the swamps? You know what?
Speaker 3: Do I need to worry about them? And then the
Speaker 3: one guy had started of all things, he brought up
Speaker 3: Boggy Creek and I'm like, well, yeah, that's just the
Speaker 3: next state over and He's like, yeah, but it's right here.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, you mean it's right here
Speaker 3: Boggy Creek. And he's like, no, the monster, the Boggie
Speaker 3: Creek Monster, it's back there in our swamps. Now I'm like,
Speaker 3: I gotta go to the swamps. So then I started
Speaker 3: doing that. Well, then I got sent to Cuba, where
Speaker 3: I've never heard of bigfoot anything, and it was back
Speaker 3: to the armchair. Then I got sent to California and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I was in the
Speaker 3: to me the Holy Grail. So in ninety five ninety six,
Speaker 3: I was running the O High Mountains O j h
Speaker 3: I and that was every weekend.
Speaker 4: I was what the world I was learning off to
Speaker 4: the damn come to get.
Speaker 1: Me back there.
Speaker 4: That was my phone.
Speaker 2: That that's a predator sounds. Yeah, a predator sound on
Speaker 2: the phone.
Speaker 1: Okay, I hear it every podcast, so I get you.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I throwose people for a loop.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: I'm not used to wearing the headphone, so it was
Speaker 3: right there on me. I'm like, yeah, California though, it
Speaker 3: was you know, I was one of those people that
Speaker 3: I left home, came back, left home, came back left home,
Speaker 3: came back, and I said, that's it. I'm done. I'm
Speaker 3: not leaving again. I'm just stuck here. But then I
Speaker 3: started hearing about old stuff about don keating and stuff
Speaker 3: about Ohio and Cashockton and how it was like that
Speaker 3: was the name I was trying to think of earlier,
Speaker 3: Lauren Coleman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he said that.
Speaker 3: He you know, he put shock in Ohio on the
Speaker 3: top ten places of his list that placed to see
Speaker 3: an encounter a bigfoot and I'm like, oh crap. So,
Speaker 3: you know, then I started buying gear, camera, binoculars. I
Speaker 3: was already bow hunting, already hunting, so I had most
Speaker 3: of my normal outdoor gear. But then it went to,
Speaker 3: uh now it's night vision cameras.
Speaker 4: Got a thermal, I got a drone.
Speaker 3: I love tech. I loved a lot of people hate techna.
Speaker 3: I love technology. I love anything I can play with
Speaker 3: that has buttons. And I've crashed a lot of drones
Speaker 3: because of that, but I've gotten some great footage because
Speaker 3: of that. At the same time of landscapes and whatnot,
Speaker 3: trying to see that what's over the hill, Well, why
Speaker 3: hike over that hill? And I can just send a
Speaker 3: drone and it can look for me. You know, I
Speaker 3: can stay on this side, it can do that side,
Speaker 3: and we'll meet in the middle. So yeah, that's his
Speaker 3: Oh good lord. So that started as a I was
Speaker 3: at the Hawking Hills big Foot Festival and out of
Speaker 3: the blue, without my knowing, I get well, they were
Speaker 3: doing the Bigfoot call contest and I walked down there
Speaker 3: to do the contest. The next thing I know, I'm
Speaker 3: on the stage with the microphone. Like my whole day
Speaker 3: just got flipped right there. And during the the calling
Speaker 3: contest and me just being typical idiot me, I'm like,
Speaker 3: don't expect guys to do great because I'm an Olympic
Speaker 3: gold medalist and squatch calling, but I'll go easy when
Speaker 3: I judge you. And that's where the whole expert came through.
Speaker 3: I got an Olympic gold medal and squatch calling what
Speaker 3: I told like thirty thousand people or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's very cool. There's one thing I need you to
Speaker 1: do for me, though this is regarding a comment earlier.
Speaker 1: I need you to say something for me. Okay, I
Speaker 1: need you to say get.
Speaker 4: Her done, get it done.
Speaker 1: You on to chat with saying you sound just like
Speaker 1: uh Larry the cable guy. I.
Speaker 4: Well, my family's from Virginia.
Speaker 3: I still have property there, so that's where I get
Speaker 3: my little bit of Southern accident from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then my.
Speaker 3: So we I used to work at car Quest and
Speaker 3: we had a guy come in and he always said,
Speaker 3: one of these days, I'm going to make a cartoon,
Speaker 3: but you have to be one of my characters. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: Like all right, He's like, I just like the way
Speaker 3: you talk, you know, like I just.
Speaker 4: Talk to me.
Speaker 3: It's just every day normal talking. I didn't know I
Speaker 3: had a specific genre, you.
Speaker 1: Know, or what You're very unique exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: That way evariance or anything like that. Yourself sounds visual.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I have a pretty good amount of audio recordings.
Speaker 3: I call it the Big Audio Net where I bought
Speaker 3: a series of recorders and I can run them twelve
Speaker 3: miles in a straight line every half mile interval, or
Speaker 3: I can put them out in a grid, and I
Speaker 3: got a timer on them where they'll turn on at
Speaker 3: about an hour before dusk, and then I can have
Speaker 3: them turn off whenever I want to preserve batteries, so
Speaker 3: that way they can stay out and work for me
Speaker 3: longer than just turning them on and wait until the
Speaker 3: battery dies.
Speaker 4: I can get about a week out of them. Okay,
Speaker 4: so I've got a.
Speaker 3: Lot of really interest in the audios that way. I
Speaker 3: have had one siding one.
Speaker 4: What was that.
Speaker 3: One?
Speaker 4: Did? I really think I've seen what I thought I saw, And.
Speaker 3: I've had a lot of maybes, but I definitely the
Speaker 3: one was just plain as day, well, plain as night,
Speaker 3: just right there. So and yeah, that one shook me
Speaker 3: to my core because it went outside of the normal.
Speaker 4: Of what I thought a bigfoot should be or should do.
Speaker 3: It was nighttime, and I think we were kind of
Speaker 3: like getting what we had been out on a day hike.
Speaker 3: We were going to set up that night, and we
Speaker 3: decided to take a little break in the middle. So
Speaker 3: we fired up the grill, which we always did. Uh,
Speaker 3: We're sitting at a pavilion. We got hot dogs on
Speaker 3: the grill and my little, uh fierce little puppy, Brena Cole,
Speaker 3: little Boston Terrier. She's just out killing sticks because sticks
Speaker 3: are not allowed to come within thirty feet of daddy
Speaker 3: or she'll kill them. So she's out making sure that
Speaker 3: I'm safe from many sticks that might be laying on
Speaker 3: the ground. And this little dog is legit fearless. So
Speaker 3: I'll back up real quick. So it was Christmas time.
Speaker 3: We had gone out shopping and we just bought gift bags.
Speaker 4: We went to the.
Speaker 3: Next down and went to Walmart. We go inside Walmart,
Speaker 3: we come out of Walmart. The door of the van
Speaker 3: is open and there's this little Bosston terrier with the
Speaker 3: red face where someone had opened up the van and
Speaker 3: got into it and she.
Speaker 4: Ripped them a new one.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so this is my little Brie. Well, she
Speaker 3: comes running to me and she jumps up on my
Speaker 3: lap and she turns around and she starts growling at
Speaker 3: the woods. And my first thought is, get the hell
Speaker 3: up off me.
Speaker 4: If you're going to fiss something, mob, don't jump on me.
Speaker 4: You're on your own. And keep going over there. And
Speaker 4: I'm looking. I'm looking.
Speaker 3: I'm looking, and I'm like, I don't see anything, and
Speaker 3: there's just nothing out there. I mean, there's a pole
Speaker 3: light up there, but the light when we go so
Speaker 3: far because it's got one of the big meadow strouds
Speaker 3: around it, and so I'm looking where the light meets
Speaker 3: the dark. I'm looking beyond that and I don't see anything.
Speaker 3: And we're in a squatchy area, of course. So I'm
Speaker 3: looking for what I thought I should be looking for.
Speaker 3: I'm looking up. I'm looking, you know, six to eight
Speaker 3: feet off the ground. There's nothing I do. I don't
Speaker 3: see any deer. And I finally lean back and I
Speaker 3: looked right between her ears and down her snout, like
Speaker 3: I was aiming her like a gun. And it was
Speaker 3: when I did that that I caught just a hint
Speaker 3: of movement, and so I leaned back up, and here's
Speaker 3: this Figurus thing.
Speaker 4: On the ground on all fours.
Speaker 3: And it's moving sideways, but it's like hand over fifth
Speaker 3: like it's moving sideways like that. It's dead facing me,
Speaker 3: but moving dead sideways. And I'm like, none of the
Speaker 3: pictures I ever seen did anything like this, because I'm
Speaker 3: supposed to be on two legs. It's supposed to be
Speaker 3: up and walk like me. It ain't supposed to be
Speaker 3: down low hiding on sneaky craft. And it gets to
Speaker 3: a tree and you see these armish things come up
Speaker 3: behind a tree and I can't make out any detail,
Speaker 3: but I can make out a shape, and you see
Speaker 3: it look around the tree, look around the tree, and
Speaker 3: then it does that crawling it and it's dead facing me.
Speaker 3: It's not turned sideways, it's dead facing me, moving dead sideways.
Speaker 3: And it gets to the next tree, and again you
Speaker 3: see this peered up and looked side and side side,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, is this a goofy bear? Am I
Speaker 3: seeing something stupid? And it's sideway, sideway sideways until it
Speaker 3: gets to the brush and then it turns broadside. But
Speaker 3: it was facing towards where it came from, and it
Speaker 3: went as first into the brush. It backed into the
Speaker 3: brush and backed into this tall grass and I couldn't
Speaker 3: see it anymore. And then straight up all the grass
Speaker 3: came this towering thing and I'm like, holy, that's what
Speaker 3: I'm And then it turned and it went down through
Speaker 3: the woods and it sounded like a seven forty seven crashing.
Speaker 3: But I didn't see, like the shape of the nose,
Speaker 3: the shape of the mouth, didn't have ears, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It would just look black and fuzzy and just dark
Speaker 3: and fuzzy, like shadow moving, but you could tell it
Speaker 3: wasn't a shadow.
Speaker 4: You could tell it was a thing. And then when
Speaker 4: it came up out of the grass, I was.
Speaker 3: Like wow, because that's when it hit me just how
Speaker 3: big this thing is that I'm running around looking for.
Speaker 3: And I started to question my life decisions.
Speaker 4: Like why am I looking for? What am I going
Speaker 4: to do? I catch it?
Speaker 3: I mean, what am I gonna do if I get corner?
Speaker 3: What I'm looking for?
Speaker 4: This thing?
Speaker 3: And because it was massive and it was just a
Speaker 3: split second and then it just crashed down through the
Speaker 3: woods and I was like, I'm just blown away. The
Speaker 3: wife was with me, and so like two weeks before,
Speaker 3: she had seen red eyeshine in the woods, and we
Speaker 3: always do recreation before we go out, and we try
Speaker 3: to rebuild everything that happened, and we discovered that it
Speaker 3: was about seven and a half feet off of the
Speaker 3: ground these so she every time we went there, that's
Speaker 3: where her focus was, like hoping that same thing would
Speaker 3: happen again.
Speaker 4: And we've all done it, you know.
Speaker 3: It's like you go to your favorite spot where something happened,
Speaker 3: it's like it's going to happen the exact replay. I'm
Speaker 3: going to get a play by play again, Tony, And
Speaker 3: that's your hope. So she's looking up the and I'm
Speaker 3: looking the OX. So she's phasing that way and I'm
Speaker 3: facing this way, kind of deal, and she.
Speaker 4: Heard the crash.
Speaker 3: She because next thing I know, she's walking up towards
Speaker 3: the edge of the asphalt where the grass hits and
Speaker 3: she's now looking down. But she didn't see because I couldn't.
Speaker 3: I tried to get her attention, but all I could
Speaker 3: get was like I couldn't. It was like just being
Speaker 3: choked by the devil or something. I was shaking my
Speaker 3: I was excited, I was happy. I was shitting myself,
Speaker 3: and I just couldn't get my voice box to work.
Speaker 4: I sounded like a little girl, I mean love as
Speaker 4: all I.
Speaker 3: Can do is squeek and I'm like, damn it, ma'am.
Speaker 3: So I couldn't go for help if my life depended
Speaker 3: on it. And I could tell that was a fear.
Speaker 3: It was just I was that scared that I couldn't talk.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that was my one big that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I got a really cool, badass Thermo capture last year.
Speaker 3: But it was at one hundred and eighty seven yards away. Yes,
Speaker 3: you can tell something there, but it wasn't that forty
Speaker 3: yards away. It's right there, I'm right here, We're within
Speaker 3: reach each other. I mean, yeah, when it's like hunting,
Speaker 3: you know, at Thermo, it was cold, but I wasn't scared.
Speaker 4: In fact, I went.
Speaker 3: Towards Yeah, well though I tried to, but I ended
Speaker 3: up going for a swell.
Speaker 4: That's good you all.
Speaker 2: Keep going back. A lot of people walk away their
Speaker 2: first experience with the PTSD and stuff, and they never
Speaker 2: go back into freaking woods again. So and plus that happened.
Speaker 2: Plus you made it evident you don't account for every
Speaker 2: shadow and everything you see as going.
Speaker 1: To be a bigfoot.
Speaker 2: You say, maybe what it is you know what today,
Speaker 2: but you did encounter. So that puts more validity behind stories.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people out there they think every shadow,
Speaker 2: they see, every branch to hear crack, it's a big foot.
Speaker 2: It's a bigfoot. If you can't put anything behind it
Speaker 2: and back it up, we don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: So it's good I was getting it down to earth
Speaker 2: and real.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that because and I've been with those people.
Speaker 3: It was a group I wasn't associate aided with. We
Speaker 3: just happened to be at the same place at the
Speaker 3: same time, at a popular state park, and I was
Speaker 3: just getting ready to leave. It's like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm going to give these guys the area. I'll go
Speaker 3: somewhere else. And it was fall time and right here
Speaker 3: this huge walnut tree, and walnuts would like one every
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen minutes, land and hit on bang on
Speaker 3: the ten roof and then they'd roll all And this
Speaker 3: guy's like, that's a bigfoot. That's a bigfoot throwing rocks
Speaker 3: at us. I'm like, no, dumbass, that's a walnut tree
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 1: We have literally, yeah, we have.
Speaker 2: I say that we've got a wale on tree, a
Speaker 2: camp with stuff. You're here and drop every now and
Speaker 2: then the stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea. They make some big rockets sometimes depending on
Speaker 1: what they're landing on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now that doesn't mean that at the same time, walnuts
Speaker 3: can't be falling in the fall time and a big
Speaker 3: foot can't be throwing.
Speaker 4: Rocks at you. But I would expect a rock to skip.
Speaker 3: By me on the seen that bad where the picnic
Speaker 3: tables were, or hit a picnic table. I would like
Speaker 3: to think if that big foot has better aim than
Speaker 3: to miss me by a forty foot roof.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what's the Yeah.
Speaker 1: The incident that you were you were just talking and explaining, Uh,
Speaker 1: you did mention the state park where they have to
Speaker 1: be salt for crying chance.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about that because I've only
Speaker 1: been there one time, and that was back in two thousands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back at during one of the conferences they had the
Speaker 1: Ohio Ohio and uh, yeah, I stayed at a cabin
Speaker 1: when I went there, and talk about beautiful area. I mean,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. I did some exploring up behind the cabin,
Speaker 1: which if you keep going up the hill from where
Speaker 1: we were at, it would bring you right to the lodge,
Speaker 1: the main lodge. Yeah, but there was some cool stuff
Speaker 1: right there behind the cabin.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And it looked like a cave right behind us. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I got picture is everything of it. It's
Speaker 1: really cool and there's so much of the other area.
Speaker 1: I wish I had more time to explore, you know.
Speaker 1: But uh, but what you know, I know there's other people.
Speaker 1: I got people that are there. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of group camp outs. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: people friends of mind and other people I know from Pennsylvania. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to Salt Fork this year and they're doing
Speaker 1: like there's you know, they got fifteen twenty people, you know,
Speaker 1: but they do this every year and there's other groups
Speaker 1: that go there on top of that that are you know,
Speaker 1: on Bigfoot related or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I know there's big productivity up there. I know that.
Speaker 1: But what's your take on everybody flooding the area to
Speaker 1: go look for big foy at these group campouts? You
Speaker 1: know we oh, I mean it's like very flooded with people,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm about to piss off a lot of.
Speaker 1: Oh in mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah that The area where this happens is called Group
Speaker 3: cam And what it is is there's big Foot Ridge,
Speaker 3: which is primitive camping, and it's right on the main
Speaker 3: drag of the park, and then you go down the
Speaker 3: road half a mile and there's the actual campgrounds where
Speaker 3: they have showers and all this fun stuff. And then
Speaker 3: you have the lodge and then further down the road
Speaker 3: you have the marina.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well way.
Speaker 3: Back in the backside of the park is a public
Speaker 3: wildlife area also the Buckeye Trail, the one hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy three mile trail you can hike through Ohio and
Speaker 3: bits and pieces because they've never connected it, but sure
Speaker 3: you can hike it. You just have to trust pass
Speaker 3: a lot. But anyways, so this area is more of
Speaker 3: an odn R wildlife area. And you actually, even though
Speaker 3: the park rents it, it's owned by the ODNR High
Speaker 3: Department Natural Resource and it's way back in this own
Speaker 3: little corner. So nobody rents group camp.
Speaker 4: And I'm ninety.
Speaker 3: Percent certain of this. But bigfooters, bigfoot groups, I mean
Speaker 3: every single weekend of the year, there's a group that
Speaker 3: does it once a month, and then there's this group
Speaker 3: that does it when there's a date available in between,
Speaker 3: and then this group has camp outs there's a date
Speaker 3: available in between, and then the last three groups fight
Speaker 3: over that last.
Speaker 4: Spot to see who can call first and get it.
Speaker 3: And every see, if you watch on Facebook, every flipping weekend.
Speaker 4: Something happens like this.
Speaker 3: Bigfoot just lives at group camp and nothing else better
Speaker 3: to do but mess with campers who happen to be
Speaker 3: there looking wore.
Speaker 4: It right, yeah, and they find it and.
Speaker 3: It's so nerve wrecking because I have found evidence, sure,
Speaker 3: but the pool is so big, how do I know
Speaker 3: it wasn't hoaxed by the asshole last weekend as well?
Speaker 3: I'm going to get somebody, watch you bring me up
Speaker 3: Patty cast and rub it into the ground in the
Speaker 3: dirt and then it's like, yeah, that'll get them.
Speaker 4: I don't know that.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny as you mention that, because I will
Speaker 1: tell you this one incident that took place when I
Speaker 1: was attending the Ohio Big for conference in seventeen twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: During our time there, you know, we were there for
Speaker 1: three three nights, you know, and somebody there was a
Speaker 1: group that you know, they did their group hiking or
Speaker 1: whatever they did while we were there. You know they
Speaker 1: do group camp outs and hiking the big hikes. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: supposing there was oh, somebody find a big for you know,
Speaker 1: it was I didn't see all the details, but I
Speaker 1: learned that it was actually a hoax, you know, because
Speaker 1: there was a big Foot event that weekend and people
Speaker 1: went out hiking. Somebody hopes the track and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and then it was there. But it turned out to
Speaker 1: be a hoax. But you know, that's what the problem
Speaker 1: is with that kind of place.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: That happened to me in uh six o seven, and
Speaker 3: I thought I was gonna get into a fifth fight
Speaker 3: that night because my buddy comes down and he's like, hey, Mike,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what's up.
Speaker 4: Man. He's like, they've found the track up here. Can
Speaker 4: you come and take.
Speaker 3: A look at it? And I'm like sure, I'll come up.
Speaker 3: And I pull up and there's like a line of people,
Speaker 3: arms crossed waiting.
Speaker 4: For me, and I'm like, what the hell is this?
Speaker 3: So I get out and it's like these people are
Speaker 3: just waiting for my opinion. It's like, well, let's see,
Speaker 3: it's a big foot weekend. There's a track on a
Speaker 3: sand mound that's right beside the road and has a
Speaker 3: cookie cutter pattern, a perfect print, and Sam which is like.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that.
Speaker 3: And they all got mad at me because they knew
Speaker 3: for a fact that they found this bigfoot track and
Speaker 3: here was this guy tracking on. So they needed a
Speaker 3: new expert, so they called Eric Altman, who happened to
Speaker 3: be there again. Well he showed up and he just
Speaker 3: walks up and he looks at it and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: look at how cookie cutter that is.
Speaker 4: That's not really well.
Speaker 3: Then they got mad at him, and I'm like, great,
Speaker 3: that's my time to get the hell up out of here,
Speaker 3: because he'd known fitted them off now, so then I
Speaker 3: was like I got better things to do.
Speaker 4: It by time.
Speaker 3: But it was a big foot weekend and right beside
Speaker 3: the road on this sandpile that was like left over
Speaker 3: from the road department over wintertime, and right in the
Speaker 3: middle of it, at IIH level while you're driving, there's
Speaker 3: this perfect cookie cutter print. It's like and you people
Speaker 3: are legit believing that this is something that's like no, no, that's.
Speaker 1: No, Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: But they were so convinced in their mind that's what
Speaker 3: it was. That's, you know, in their minds.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do want to I do want to
Speaker 1: return there, but you know, but here's the thing. My
Speaker 1: thing is, if I return there, I'm not gonna tell people,
Speaker 1: yeah anyway, I mean if I invite people to come
Speaker 1: with me, like hey, let's say the weekend, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a long weekend to go up there. But we're not
Speaker 1: going to make a public but a lottery.
Speaker 3: So I found the sault for that. I'll still occasionally
Speaker 3: go there. Most of what I do now is around Woodbury,
Speaker 3: Mahican Wills Creek, AEP, Hawking Hills, Zielski.
Speaker 4: I'm going to other but I will still go. But
Speaker 4: it Saltport.
Speaker 3: But I found the best trick is to find that
Speaker 3: there's a muddy creek system that runs through the park
Speaker 3: and it's real wide and it's floatable, and nobody walks
Speaker 3: it because it's always a wet marsh. But with the
Speaker 3: kayak back air to the high ground, it's like the
Speaker 3: most inaccessible from foot places of the park, and that's
Speaker 3: where I have the most interesting stuff happen. That's where
Speaker 3: I not every time I go, but occasionally. It's like,
Speaker 3: you go down this kayak trail for maybe three quarters
Speaker 3: of a mile, you're away from all the crack. I'm
Speaker 3: talking three quarters of a mile of the creek goes
Speaker 3: so straight line. I probably went a quarter of a mile,
Speaker 3: but it's like there on the bank might be a
Speaker 3: muddy track and it might be an older one, but
Speaker 3: it might have what appears to be tow impressions, And
Speaker 3: it's like, I can't count that as a group camper.
Speaker 3: I can't count that as someone walking chest deep through
Speaker 3: weeds in a marsh to put that there, But I
Speaker 3: still have to question because of the popularity of the park.
Speaker 4: It's validity.
Speaker 3: But there's certain you know, you just have certain mines
Speaker 3: where it's like I don't think that's a person, you know,
Speaker 3: So yeah, get a kayak or and rent a canoe whatever,
Speaker 3: but man, hit that water. Get just get away from
Speaker 3: the main popular areas.
Speaker 4: I can give you.
Speaker 3: Some spots on the map to go. And I'll be
Speaker 3: at West Virginia too, by the way, So yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, it'll be great to be there there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we'll be able to go hit the woods
Speaker 3: for the first night or something.
Speaker 1: So well, I'm getting there. I'm getting there early Friday morning.
Speaker 1: Uh well, I'm hitting out early Friday morning. Get up
Speaker 1: there because I'm speaking Friday evening there, so right October
Speaker 1: October ninth, and then I'll be there Saturday, and then
Speaker 1: Sunday I'm leaving out around twelve.
Speaker 3: I'll be there with the vendor tenth so I'm there
Speaker 3: all weekend.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wherever wherever they're placing the speakers as where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna they're putting, They're putting me up at a
Speaker 1: cabin there at the park. So yeah, so that should
Speaker 1: be I'm saying, come to find out, I'll be out there.
Speaker 1: Walsall be there. But RPG from uh you know RBG
Speaker 1: from Uh yeah, he was in our expensentiy big for
Speaker 1: he's uh he already to stay at a cabin, So
Speaker 1: I said, cool, it'd be great to meet him. I've
Speaker 1: chatted with him on Facebook, but that's about it as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's gonna be exciting. I've been to the
Speaker 1: I've been to the uh West Virginia Big for Conference
Speaker 1: Festival since day one. I spoke. I spoke at every
Speaker 1: time I attended. I spoke at all of them except
Speaker 1: for one. I attended there one year just to help out, okay, different, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Sutton. Yeah, the Sutton location was always nice, but
Speaker 1: it's always been very hot and humid, and I mean
Speaker 1: I was one year. I think I got really stick.
Speaker 1: It was so hot.
Speaker 3: You know, there was quite a few ambulances there that
Speaker 3: we I had to go because uh Ron Howells was
Speaker 3: getting married and I was part of that whole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was supposed to. Yeah that was last year.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to go to that one, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't make it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I bet we watched because of the heat,
Speaker 3: at least three four or five ambulences come in or
Speaker 3: go out because but it was hot.
Speaker 4: Hot.
Speaker 3: Like we showed up and I was like, everyone's like,
Speaker 3: should we put camp away or what? I'm like, No,
Speaker 3: it's one hundred and six degrees. Let's just go grab
Speaker 3: a bite to eat, right, Yeah, And sure as crap,
Speaker 3: the worst storm in the century came through. All the
Speaker 3: tents got flooded, everything got soaked wet, and it's like, damn,
Speaker 3: I just had to say something. So yeah, it was
Speaker 3: a mess for it, but then that was it. And
Speaker 3: then it was just it was like a heat index
Speaker 3: of one hundred and two or something, and.
Speaker 4: God, that was horrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm glad they're putting it in October this year.
Speaker 1: That should definitely be a lot more comfortable.
Speaker 3: And that was a lot of the reason why too,
Speaker 3: because a lot of people was complaining about the heat
Speaker 3: and the dust and blah blah blah, and so I
Speaker 3: guess when you do a festival, you have to team
Speaker 3: the sort to listen to people's opinions. And so they're like,
Speaker 3: all right, fine, we'll do it in the fall in October.
Speaker 4: It'll be cooler. And if it rates on you, sorry
Speaker 4: about your luck. We did what you asked. We can't
Speaker 4: control the weather.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this location that they're doing it for this year,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's it's still close to the same
Speaker 1: distance as you know, it's always been around four hours.
Speaker 1: It's slightly a little closer. Okay, it's like three hours
Speaker 1: in whatever minutes. I can't remember what I looked up.
Speaker 1: But so instead of going across the west, you know,
Speaker 1: going yeah, it's when I looked it up GPS, should
Speaker 1: be okay, I'm gonna go all the way this way
Speaker 1: instead of going up this laying out you know. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, it should be a pretty decent straight shot
Speaker 1: on the most part. At the memorial Park. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a veterans memorial park.
Speaker 4: Okay, so yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Should be pretty cool. Uh, it's on the southern part
Speaker 1: of instead of being an up Sutton where it has been.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like two hours south of there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, it's just only like twenty miles from Babcock State Park.
Speaker 3: So it's not very far from Babcock.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not familiar with that area, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'll be taking we're here in Virginia, I'll be
Speaker 1: taking Root sixty four all the way out. Word Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: now how far? How far are you from Saltfolk State Park?
Speaker 3: So it's weird because people think I make it up,
Speaker 3: and it's like I don't. There's a reason why I
Speaker 3: bought the house that I live in and it's a turd,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's twenty minutes from Woodbury. It's an hour
Speaker 3: from Saltfork on this and if I go Kick Clear
Speaker 3: like group Camp, it's an hour and a half. It's
Speaker 3: an hour to the edge of Hawking Hills. It's an
Speaker 3: hour to the edge of Wayne National Forest. It's twenty
Speaker 3: minutes from Ahicon. So I've got that centrally located, and
Speaker 3: plus thirty seconds behind me is a river that I
Speaker 3: grew up fishing. So they're the reason why i'm and
Speaker 3: it's because I'm pretty decently. I'm almost the dead center
Speaker 3: of Ohio. So it's the same distance for me to
Speaker 3: go to Cincinnati as it is Cleveland. It's the same
Speaker 3: distance for me to go to Indiana as it in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: I'm literally right in the middle, so I'm only half
Speaker 3: the distance from everything. And yeah, yeah, there's a reason
Speaker 3: why I am where I am.
Speaker 2: And how long did it take you to plan that out?
Speaker 4: It just happened on a whim.
Speaker 3: It was like, because we looked at the property and
Speaker 3: it was a foreclosed house.
Speaker 4: It had that empty for three years. The plumbing was shot,
Speaker 4: the well was shot. This was shot. That was shot.
Speaker 3: The electric wire had the old white cotton wrap crap
Speaker 3: around it.
Speaker 4: So it was a dump and a half.
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, it could still come back to
Speaker 3: life and be something. So you know, a little bit here,
Speaker 3: a little bit there. We started making improvements and it's
Speaker 3: like wait, and it's like, I'm I'm in the middle
Speaker 3: of everything. It's like cause I knew I wanted it
Speaker 3: because I would be close to shock in County.
Speaker 4: I was close to where I bow hunted.
Speaker 3: And then it's like, right, here's the Cocosing River where
Speaker 3: I can go fishing. But it's like, I'm the same
Speaker 3: distance from Hocking Hills as I am Saltport. I'm the
Speaker 3: same distance Cincinnati is I am Cleveland. I'm literally just
Speaker 3: halfway away from every It just worked out turnipigs, so
Speaker 3: that's cool. But I wanted to be close to Saltport, decently,
Speaker 3: close to Keshochtan County, close to But my kids really
Speaker 3: liked the school district they were in, so we didn't.
Speaker 4: Move far from where we were.
Speaker 3: But okay, yeah, we stayed in the same school district.
Speaker 3: But it's one of those districts that's that wide but
Speaker 3: that long, and we were on that far end and
Speaker 3: now we're way out on this far end.
Speaker 4: So we just happened to catch the tail of it.
Speaker 2: So, oh, do you pretty much go out independent your
Speaker 2: own research, but do you belong to any groups?
Speaker 3: So like I talked to a lot of groups like
Speaker 3: the Pennsylvania the Bigfoot Project and PA and then a
Speaker 3: lot of other groups Benroe County. I just kind of
Speaker 3: talked to everybody. But I used to go out with
Speaker 3: a lot of people all the time, and a lot
Speaker 3: of the people over time started to get really annoying,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm done with this yet. So
Speaker 3: now I've got this little handful of people that like
Speaker 3: if someone wants to go out, like Hennah Slate, she
Speaker 3: was with me when the Thermal was filmed, so yeah,
Speaker 3: her my buddy Darren jure that there's like a handful
Speaker 3: of people.
Speaker 4: But where I.
Speaker 3: Live, Hannah's the only one that's like relatively close. Everyone
Speaker 3: else like an hour and a half away. So if
Speaker 3: it's ten o'clock at night and I got the whim
Speaker 3: to go out, all of a sudden.
Speaker 4: I'm on my own.
Speaker 3: I just go and yeah, I just head out and
Speaker 3: a lot. I do a lot of solo, but I
Speaker 3: also a good mix because I like helping newbies. I
Speaker 3: love helping people that are new the world of Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: and even if I'm not knowledgeable about Bigfoot, but just like, hey, look,
Speaker 3: this is a great way to start a fire.
Speaker 4: This is a great you.
Speaker 3: Know, if you've ever done this, there's a great way
Speaker 3: to start a fire. And if your clothes are wet,
Speaker 3: here's how to make a clothes line with the cover
Speaker 3: to dry your crap off and even outdoorsy till.
Speaker 4: So I just love that.
Speaker 1: So one thing I read about you, of course I
Speaker 1: did some research at one point in time. You try
Speaker 1: to associate yourself with a b f R whatever reason,
Speaker 1: they didn't want to step you into their organization.
Speaker 3: So that I'm actually really with those guys. Still, that's
Speaker 3: how I knew about Babcock. I did an expedition with
Speaker 3: them there and uh, the really good group of guys.
Speaker 3: But you always have that one. So twenty some years
Speaker 3: ago I crossed paths with Mark the worth who I
Speaker 3: call aka Mark the Worthless, and.
Speaker 1: I met him. Yeah he's a nice guy, don't get.
Speaker 3: Wrong, he is, but he's we just never really we we.
Speaker 3: It's one of those singer it's like if you see
Speaker 3: each other in public's like, oh hey, how you doing, and.
Speaker 4: As you're walking around you're an asshole?
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, and he.
Speaker 4: Put it in.
Speaker 3: So I was in actually made it into the BFRO O.
Speaker 3: But then Mark the worst that was like, hey look
Speaker 3: this guy. He has a podcast, he makes videos.
Speaker 4: He's going to ruin your system.
Speaker 3: He's going to take all your information and use it
Speaker 3: for himself.
Speaker 4: And so then I was in the BFRO for one day.
Speaker 3: I think I'm like the move remember to ever be
Speaker 3: in the BFRO because I made it a day and
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, that takes a talented ass person
Speaker 3: when you can make it into the BFRO and be
Speaker 3: excluded in twenty four hours. I knew I was special,
Speaker 3: but I didn't know what was that. Now I was like, man,
Speaker 3: it's okay, it is what it is. But the people
Speaker 3: that tried to get me into the BFRO like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, let's talk, and so.
Speaker 4: We're still tight, oh lord, or some like oh boy.
Speaker 3: So I never disbelieve anything. I take it with a
Speaker 3: grain of salt, but it's always so I have a friend,
Speaker 3: you know, we're tera Stephanie, and she's the one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's the one who started telling me about orbs and
Speaker 3: these lights and everything brought it to my attention, and
Speaker 3: I got there looking at and I noticed there was
Speaker 3: a lot of people who get into it. And I'm
Speaker 3: not against it. I just don't understand why it is,
Speaker 3: why it would be, but so for her sake, because
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, even though it's not something,
Speaker 3: just because I've never personally seen it, doesn't mean it
Speaker 3: can't happen. Because I ain't seen it. It just means
Speaker 3: I ain't seen it, but I think it. To me,
Speaker 3: I got a whole other idea of what orbs are.
Speaker 3: But Terra, I was like, you know what, she keeps
Speaker 3: telling me about these orbs.
Speaker 4: So I started.
Speaker 3: When I go out, I take a balloon, I put
Speaker 3: a glow stick in it. I snap it, but to
Speaker 3: blow up the balloon, tie it off and then I
Speaker 3: hang it in a tree. So I have a ball
Speaker 3: of glowing light that moves when I go out into
Speaker 3: the woods.
Speaker 4: So you know, maybe a little attract them. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what attracts a big foot. I'm not
Speaker 3: that skilled yet. But I'm not against the idea of it.
Speaker 1: I just like that. I like that idea. That sounds
Speaker 1: pretty cool. We need to try to do. We even
Speaker 1: had suit.
Speaker 4: I it. So it doesn't work every single time.
Speaker 3: But there was this one night in particular where it
Speaker 3: was just the most deadest of dead nights. And I
Speaker 3: mean wind wise, because normally the balloon, even when there's
Speaker 3: no wind will kind of move and whatnot. But I
Speaker 3: mean these balloons were just straight hanging. It was dead, dead, dead,
Speaker 3: and off in the corner the furthest one away, the
Speaker 3: one closest to the edge of the woods was like
Speaker 3: something kept hitting it or flicking it. So you're looking
Speaker 3: at all these balloons that aren't moving, and this one balloon.
Speaker 4: Keeps going to bing boing bloing and just moving.
Speaker 3: I'm like, something's touching that or something has happened. You know,
Speaker 3: something's going on here, And it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: Do we walk that way because if we do, we're
Speaker 3: gonna run it off and it's gonna stop. But if
Speaker 3: something is moving it and we stay here, maybe it'll
Speaker 3: make a mistake.
Speaker 4: So it's like, let's just set foot for a minute.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, that that orbit in that particular night
Speaker 3: actually was an interest. It had an interesting result. But
Speaker 3: I myself, I've just never seen an ORB outside of
Speaker 3: like Gettysburg or something like that. So I'm not saying
Speaker 3: orbs don't exist. I just think it's two different things.
Speaker 3: And people always talk about them being a ball glowing light,
Speaker 3: and that's the same thing they always talk about a
Speaker 3: ghost being sometimes on those ghost hunting shows, is a
Speaker 3: little ball a light, and they always talked about I
Speaker 3: always heard or read about the Native American connection with Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: so I thought if I was a dead Native American
Speaker 3: who was a glowing ball of light, but I didn't
Speaker 3: know it. But I found this thing in the woods.
Speaker 4: It's eight feet.
Speaker 3: Tall, and all my people are gone, My tribe is gone.
Speaker 3: I can't find them. There're these weird looking things that
Speaker 3: keep walking through the woods and they're driving these these
Speaker 3: things with wheels or I think that might be what
Speaker 3: a wheel is. These people are been on this funny
Speaker 3: animal that makes them sound like.
Speaker 4: And I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: I'm following that big butt. So that's why I think
Speaker 3: the orbs. I think it's disconnected spirits. It's like, you
Speaker 3: know what, I don't know what all this stuff is
Speaker 3: just wasn't around my TP growing up. So I'm sticking
Speaker 3: with that thing because maybe it'll keep me safe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my take on ORBS.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we discussed this a lot on various
Speaker 1: podcasts as other guests, so you know, me and David
Speaker 1: would like to bring this up because I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: back up a little bit real quick. Is I mean,
Speaker 1: I spent some time I lived in Pennsylvania for a
Speaker 1: short period, okay, and I've had some I've done a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, it's you know, research and exploring
Speaker 1: up there. I mean years ago, but more recently, after
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I've seen some things up
Speaker 1: there that I can explain. Uh. And for the record,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very much like you, Mike. I'm very objective
Speaker 1: on a lot of things. I've heard stories of various
Speaker 1: things over the year, and I was like, what the
Speaker 1: heck are people seeing? I don't, you know, it just
Speaker 1: didn't make sense to me. But then when you start
Speaker 1: experiencing and seeing things like, Okay, what the heck am
Speaker 1: I looking at here? You know, yeah, I'm seeing things
Speaker 1: that I've heard people talk about, you know, like right,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of different locations up in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Like the first set of lights I've ever seen looked
Speaker 1: like a bunch of weird glittering stars, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of flashing, glittering whatever you want to call it. Let
Speaker 1: mean blue gold, maybe a couple of reds. And we're
Speaker 1: talking in the month of January when it's very cold there.
Speaker 1: And a few months later, moving into the month of May,
Speaker 1: I had a small group camp. Terra was am Those
Speaker 1: who camped with me, Me Tara, Mike Holes, and the
Speaker 1: girl I was you know with at the time. Well,
Speaker 1: one time the area we were camped at, I seen
Speaker 1: these four i will say, four uh bluish, round, dim
Speaker 1: looking lights across the camp in the woods, and they
Speaker 1: weren't moving. They were just stationary. I was like, what
Speaker 1: the heck, am I what are they? You know, I
Speaker 1: had no idea what I'm looking at, you know. And
Speaker 1: when I went back, you know, everybody was back at campus.
Speaker 1: I said, guys, I'm looking at some weird lights up here,
Speaker 1: you know. And by the time we came back out,
Speaker 1: I tried to show them they weren't there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that was in Pennsylvania and for Forbes, the first
Speaker 1: location was forbe Saint Forest and the Blue Hole division.
Speaker 1: A few months later in the month of May, was
Speaker 1: in Forbes, Saint Port at the Mount Davis division, which
Speaker 1: is quite a way's way and worse. And then me, Dave,
Speaker 1: Me and David. There was a few others in our
Speaker 1: area here in Virginia that we like, were currently focusing on.
Speaker 1: We've seen one single round ball of light that appeared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: David was the first one to notice it. He got
Speaker 1: my attention, I'm seeing it, and we see it for
Speaker 1: a few good seconds and it's just all of a sudden
Speaker 1: and it was gone like that, and immediately pulling my
Speaker 1: fermals out. You know. We didn't pick up no heat
Speaker 1: things here. We didn't see nothing in the area. Just
Speaker 1: the thought that maybe somebody was over there with some
Speaker 1: kind of weird light. I don't know, but we can't
Speaker 1: explain it. We don't know what we saw.
Speaker 2: But let me on that a little bit right quick.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't not looking for anything like this. We've been
Speaker 2: camping in this one area now where we go camping
Speaker 2: for that. This is the third year being there. It's
Speaker 2: it is remote area and we all, you know, we
Speaker 2: go out for the MP in the camaraderie, to have fun, relaxed.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, while we were there first couple of years,
Speaker 2: nothing out of the ordinary happened. We've had other the
Speaker 2: sounds and stuff like that, which is pretty much normal.
Speaker 2: Some things you can question. But last year, during the
Speaker 2: last two campouts, same location where we always camp at,
Speaker 2: we start having all kinds of things that we were
Speaker 2: not looking for happened. We started having a radios going dead,
Speaker 2: coming back alive, people filling certain presents around. Daniel mentioned
Speaker 2: the light. I was the first one to sit for
Speaker 2: a couple of seconds before I got his attention, and
Speaker 2: it was a white pier light. It did not project
Speaker 2: any light like a flashlight. It's about it was about
Speaker 2: thirty five to forty yards away. It wasn't up in
Speaker 2: the air, it wasn't up in the trees. It was
Speaker 2: down around ground level, about three or four foot off
Speaker 2: the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look level.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long it was there before it
Speaker 2: came into view because we're out in the woods on
Speaker 2: both sides of the gravel road. But when I first
Speaker 2: seen it, a couple of seconds I got Daniel's attention.
Speaker 2: He looked at it and uh, he's seen it, and
Speaker 2: it's about golf ball size. Now golf ball, it's about
Speaker 2: softball size, pure white. It didn't hurt your eyes. And
Speaker 2: a couple of seconds later, after he got his eyes
Speaker 2: on it, it flared up a little bit and went out,
Speaker 2: Oh wow, was out nothing in the area, no person
Speaker 2: walking around out there. Because you got you gotta rule
Speaker 2: things out. I got to hold a base camp to
Speaker 2: make sure there wasn't any cars, just to rule it out,
Speaker 2: even though they were about maybe half a mile away,
Speaker 2: and it was pretty much we was pretty much the
Speaker 2: little ones out there that night. We were not looking
Speaker 2: for this. It just happened. Now, after these last two
Speaker 2: campouts and all this weird stuff happening, it's just putting
Speaker 2: another element into our research when we go out. Daniel
Speaker 2: had a flash slighting that one night and went dead.
Speaker 1: Autumn.
Speaker 2: He was out in the woods by himself one weekend
Speaker 2: and then it came back. It's I was working again.
Speaker 2: Why is this stuff happening? I had an MP three
Speaker 2: player turned on by sol and it's up type button.
Speaker 2: It's not a button you could push. It's three foot
Speaker 2: away from you on the table. Why did it turn
Speaker 2: on by itself? I let Melissa use my action cam
Speaker 2: put it on her chest because she was gonna go
Speaker 2: out at night. We put justin word it sounds on.
Speaker 2: Appened after we got an order two times before they
Speaker 2: went out. It turned on by itself. Why is this happening?
Speaker 2: We don't have any answers. I'm not gonna say it's
Speaker 2: this or that. Now we grew up with paranormal stuff.
Speaker 2: My mindset is. I retired from the Army in ninety
Speaker 2: eight I spent three Navy eighteen armies.
Speaker 1: I was in law enforcement.
Speaker 2: Then I retired from the Sheriff's office here in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: So with our mindset, you analyze what's going on. You
Speaker 2: don't jump to conclusion, digest that. You try to figure
Speaker 2: things out. And Daniel's the same way. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: he That's why a lot of people get mad at him,
Speaker 2: because he brings about a practical answer to what they
Speaker 2: might be seeing, whether it's Prince or anything else. But
Speaker 2: people don't want to hear it. I mean, they think
Speaker 2: they experienced something, they would have jumped down that rabbit
Speaker 2: hole and whatnot. But that's where our mind sets at
Speaker 2: and it's intriguing, it's fascinating. But I've never seen a
Speaker 2: light like that. I've seen it on TV people talking
Speaker 2: about it, but until you experience it, you don't have
Speaker 2: an answer for it.
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: We had Luna with us or shepherd and this is
Speaker 2: it's about ten o'clock at night when this happened. And
Speaker 2: if she didn't indicate anything being in the area like
Speaker 2: hearing or smell or anything like that, there wasn't any
Speaker 2: deer over there. It's it's just fascinating as far as that.
Speaker 2: So we're just throwing that out there too.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean.
Speaker 3: I just never experienced them, but we did. Anything is
Speaker 3: counting them at the same time. That's why I put
Speaker 3: the orbs in the tree because I thought maybe there's
Speaker 3: something to it.
Speaker 4: Maybe the attraction.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, well it's not.
Speaker 2: Some people want to say, well, it's been proven when
Speaker 2: you get around tectonomic plates and they start rubbing it
Speaker 2: will amit gases radio gas and then they'll dissipate us
Speaker 2: it moves around stuff like that. But this didn't radiate.
Speaker 2: And then it was just a dear white light. They
Speaker 2: give it. Any kind of electrical pulse going off it
Speaker 2: in a minute, any light in the area, like a
Speaker 2: fleshlight would and it wasn't. It wasn't fluctuating like it
Speaker 2: was gas and just barely moved from the time we've
Speaker 2: seen it and then it went out by maybe four
Speaker 2: or five seconds max. We had both of our rides
Speaker 2: on it. And it could have been something UFO, we
Speaker 2: don't know. It could have been something associated with but
Speaker 2: we don't know. Because another group member Drew he had
Speaker 2: an encounter about maybe two hundred yards from that same evening,
Speaker 2: I was going back and forth see the light, and
Speaker 2: he could identify the eye shines that he was saying,
Speaker 2: two sets of eye shines, Okay, twenty masses. The third
Speaker 2: minutes later, then we see the light. September before that,
Speaker 2: a couple from Pennsylvania, about maybe three or four hundred
Speaker 2: yards up from where we're at where they parked the
Speaker 2: walk to the lake at daytimes, she sees something black
Speaker 2: run across the road on two legs. And if she
Speaker 2: tried to explain to this that it wasn't a bearge,
Speaker 2: she couldn't explain what it was. She told the barry
Speaker 2: beginning that she told the story, it was no bears
Speaker 2: run on two legs like that.
Speaker 1: Bears if if if.
Speaker 2: They're defending their area or attacking, they're gonna go to
Speaker 2: all fours. If they're scared, they're gonna drop the all
Speaker 2: fours to run. They're not gonna run off.
Speaker 1: Of two legs.
Speaker 2: And if you do route lakes that they're gonna hobble
Speaker 2: a little bit, then they're gonna go down all. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're not built for it. But again, all this is
Speaker 2: within I see about maybe half a mile radius within
Speaker 2: a nine month time frame that all of this activity
Speaker 2: now happened last year. It didn't happen before. Now what's happening.
Speaker 2: We don't have any answers, and people take what they
Speaker 2: want from our stories. But until they go out in
Speaker 2: the woods daytime more than nighttime, and relax, enjoy yourself,
Speaker 2: and just let things happen. Until you've experienced it, I
Speaker 2: can see why you got na sars out there. But
Speaker 2: when more than one people see or experience the same
Speaker 2: thing at the same time, it's not a figment of
Speaker 2: your imagination.
Speaker 4: It's exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where we're at with our research. And
Speaker 2: now as far as that, I mean, it's just another element.
Speaker 2: Now we're getting a little bit more equipment when we're
Speaker 2: out there with besides radios and stuff, EMFs and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, you see, if there's any kind of other
Speaker 2: activity going on out there. I mean, we're now we're
Speaker 2: adding more to our research. We're not gonna go overboard
Speaker 2: because we don't want to go down that rabbit hole
Speaker 2: where people thinking you're cop right. I mean, we're gonna
Speaker 2: tell a story, more experience and people take what's you
Speaker 2: want from, you know. I mean, We're gonna go on
Speaker 2: do what we're doing, and I'll to tell about some
Speaker 2: answers sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of things I want to add
Speaker 1: to what David was talking about. You know, I've shared
Speaker 1: this with him before. In this particular area, I did
Speaker 1: some research just basically online what I could find, if
Speaker 1: there's any other experiences related or you know, from what
Speaker 1: we have or anything, and just whatevers come up with. Well,
Speaker 1: the name of the area, I willn't mention this publicly.
Speaker 1: The name of the town is called Folks Run, Virginia. However,
Speaker 1: after doing some research, now there was a lot of
Speaker 1: folklore and there's a lot of history in that area.
Speaker 1: You know, not to get into all of it, but
Speaker 1: I will come down like I showed David, and I
Speaker 1: was like, look at what Look what they're saying. And
Speaker 1: according to the folklore and legends of the stories of
Speaker 1: the history of this area, one of the thanks was
Speaker 1: and mentioned, well they call it sheep's watch. It's their
Speaker 1: version of tass watch.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing, which is more of calm only known
Speaker 1: in Western Virginia. We're only this location is only a
Speaker 1: few miles from West Virginia. But on top of that,
Speaker 1: strange Lights in the woods was named among all the
Speaker 1: history of this era, which I found very fascinating. What
Speaker 1: are these strange lights that others are seeing? Are they
Speaker 1: similar to what we witnessed? I don't know. Then I
Speaker 1: started doing a Google research for on YouTube videos. I
Speaker 1: was looking up for you. I was literally looking on
Speaker 1: YouTube videos for different experiences similar to ours or anything
Speaker 1: that would come up on videos. But sure enough, there
Speaker 1: was a podcast that came across and I think I
Speaker 1: shared it with David if David, if you recall, there
Speaker 1: was a podcast that the individual he was Southwest Virginia.
Speaker 1: He was some hours, you know, three or four hours
Speaker 1: southwest of us. Well, his story besides having the big
Speaker 1: food experiences, it was one property he was on visiting
Speaker 1: somebody that had this experience seeing the strange lights and
Speaker 1: orbs that were actually moving along the outskirts of the property,
Speaker 1: you know, and on this particular property, it was also
Speaker 1: known that there was Civil War history that Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, that's interesting. But again, this I witness
Speaker 1: talked about these round balls or they called them orbs
Speaker 1: because they were actually moving, you know. Of course, the
Speaker 1: lights that we've seen and the ones I talked about
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania they were stationary. So I mean, I just
Speaker 1: want to throw that in there, re clip, and I
Speaker 1: just thought it was interesting, like there's something strange going
Speaker 1: on in this area. We don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: But you know, that's like I've got this weird collection
Speaker 3: of rabbit holes that someday I am going to go
Speaker 3: down just for my little personal research, and ORBS is
Speaker 3: one of them. And I haven't looked into it, so
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I do know that the first
Speaker 3: mention I ever heard of ORB was out west, and
Speaker 3: then I hear about him in PA Virginia. And I
Speaker 3: notice everywhere I hear about them, there's high hills or mountains.
Speaker 3: I've never heard of one in a flat area, so
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's you know, is that something.
Speaker 4: Is it a mountainous thing?
Speaker 3: Is it something that only happens in a certain climate
Speaker 3: region with that particular because according to Bergman's theory, all
Speaker 3: bigfoot are different the further you go north. So it's
Speaker 3: and Bergman's well, when it started as Bergman's theory, then
Speaker 3: it became Birdman's principal, and now it's Bergman's role because
Speaker 3: they actually proved the guy to be right over time.
Speaker 4: At first they called him a lunatic.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's one of my wormholes I always wanted
Speaker 3: to dabble in research. Was is it a mountainous thing?
Speaker 3: Is it a flat?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Because I'm just never oundard a report of it happening
Speaker 3: in a flat, But I've never met for it either.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting that you bring that up, because I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, between Pennsylvania and Virginia, Pennsylvany's got a lot
Speaker 1: of bridgelines, hills. Yeah, that same thing with Virginia. I mean,
Speaker 1: our mountains are not as big as what they have
Speaker 1: out west, but our highest elevation is over probably close
Speaker 1: to six feet, which is still pretty big. You know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's higher than the ones they have in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like the Appalachians start in Ohio
Speaker 3: and we call them the foothills, and they are they're
Speaker 3: not mountains, they're just but if you go up to
Speaker 3: northern Ohio, it's flat as a sheet of paper where
Speaker 3: the glacier came through.
Speaker 4: There's nothing up there. It's just flat.
Speaker 3: It's like, what dumbass decided to build a town in
Speaker 3: this spot, because that's just what I want to do,
Speaker 3: is live in a marsh withs But you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just one of those. But really with or I
Speaker 3: don't think. So everything Bigfoot at some point was new,
Speaker 3: Like someone had to discover wood knocking, which was Matt Moneymaker.
Speaker 4: That was his claim to fame.
Speaker 3: But he noticed that he kept hearing this knocking sound
Speaker 3: on a tree, and that happened, and then they have
Speaker 3: what they call the Ohio how you know. So that's
Speaker 3: his own little phenomenon. And if you talk about the
Speaker 3: Ohio how to maybe someone Wyoming or Olympia, they might
Speaker 3: be like, ah, you're full of crap. But then you
Speaker 3: got the Olympia. How So everything at Bigfoot was new
Speaker 3: at some time, like well, they got a horrible smell.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're crazy.
Speaker 3: And then three months later the guys in woods and
Speaker 3: he's like, what the hell is that? You know, he's
Speaker 3: plugging his nose. He's got this horrible death pea wet
Speaker 3: dog gurine smell of swamp ass, and it's like, God,
Speaker 3: that's horrible. And it's like, but at some point that
Speaker 3: was new, you know. And eyeshine, well you're just seeing deer. Well,
Speaker 3: but it's just color. And sometimes it's his color though,
Speaker 3: but now sometimes it's also this color. So it useduld
Speaker 3: just be eyeshine with just red and now it's red Greek.
Speaker 3: So everything was new at some point. And that's what's
Speaker 3: so cool about technology is bigfooting is putting all these
Speaker 3: little pieces together, figuring out that's what this you know,
Speaker 3: that's what that could be, and how it fits. And
Speaker 3: I don't think in the puzzle a bigfoot, but I
Speaker 3: think in your own personal puzzle of how you put
Speaker 3: things together in your head and how you cause, like
Speaker 3: my neighbor, I guarantee he doesn't understand the world or
Speaker 3: see the world how I see it.
Speaker 4: How I understand that we.
Speaker 3: All we're all different. Well, we all understand some things.
Speaker 3: I mean well we might have get to the same
Speaker 3: point by the end of the road, we just take
Speaker 3: a different path to get there. But yeah, at some
Speaker 3: point everything was new in the world, a bigfoot, and
Speaker 3: a lot of it still is.
Speaker 2: Well, you've got the different cultures out there too, because
Speaker 2: I mean you got the people they don't get they
Speaker 2: don't get out of the concrete city, the concrete jungles.
Speaker 2: They go to work to come wholesale street coffee, watch TV,
Speaker 2: get up, go back to where it's the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we tell the year.
Speaker 2: Then you get people to go out there to research
Speaker 2: like we started doing and stuff like that that we
Speaker 2: go out with an open mind, no preconceived notions and
Speaker 2: just let things happened as they happen. Then you got
Speaker 2: those to go out there with the preconceived notion and
Speaker 2: everything that's seeing here's a bigfoot, just like the tree knocks.
Speaker 2: They think that they hear a tree dock, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a big foot. It maybe another bigfooter over the
Speaker 2: ridge hitting the tree. Because now you're talking back and forth,
Speaker 2: don't even know it. Also whether it can have stuff
Speaker 2: to play in that because when I was researching it,
Speaker 2: unless you know just what a distinct tree knock sounds
Speaker 2: like when wood heats up in the day and cools
Speaker 2: the night. Depending on the texas in the wood, you
Speaker 2: get expansion and contraction, just like in a house you
Speaker 2: hear a pop every now and then some fibers may pop,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, all these are possibilities where you
Speaker 2: just can't be laser focus saying that was a big foot.
Speaker 2: If you ain't got a picture of bigfoot sitting there
Speaker 2: hitting a tree, we're never going to know. But again,
Speaker 2: it's just fools in the toolbox to where you look
Speaker 2: at it, you analyze it, and if you go out
Speaker 2: and you take a good piece of wood and hit
Speaker 2: a tree, you could just you don't know what a
Speaker 2: tree knock sounds like. And now we take a tree
Speaker 2: and pop it. It's similar, but there is a distinct difference.
Speaker 2: But you got to research that study to understand that,
Speaker 2: and I think it's mis identification.
Speaker 1: We know that.
Speaker 2: All I can say is we went out looking for
Speaker 2: this stuff the last two camp outs.
Speaker 1: It came to us.
Speaker 2: And now that's drawing in on what the hell is
Speaker 2: going on here.
Speaker 4: It's like.
Speaker 2: Listen all over life, I mean people, my family and
Speaker 2: her family and things I experienced growing up and my
Speaker 2: brother's along with me. Multiple witnesses is not a figment
Speaker 2: of your imagination when that happens. When I got this retirement,
Speaker 2: two retirements done, and we can relax and that Daniel,
Speaker 2: then we watched the stuff on TV. And then he
Speaker 2: invites the camp and we met him at the mall.
Speaker 2: We must see what his little setup is like there,
Speaker 2: and we get off of hip. Since then it's his personality.
Speaker 2: You have to get to know him. You just can't
Speaker 2: get rid of him, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So I send you more Amazon stuff to buy.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, he got our feet wet and that
Speaker 2: what he does after his research and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And I liked his way of thinking. He's practical. He
Speaker 2: doesn't blow things out of a portion. He stays reasonable
Speaker 2: with his logic and and and he just he doesn't
Speaker 2: jump to it. That's the kind of people I want
Speaker 2: to hang up because I don't want to get an
Speaker 2: argument with anybody like that. Express your opinion what you
Speaker 2: think it may be. That's the only way you're going
Speaker 2: to try to come to any kind of an answer.
Speaker 2: Talking through rationalize you have people's have different ideas. We
Speaker 2: need to understand that, and then nine times out of
Speaker 2: ten you're still gonna walk away with more questions than answers,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, that's the way it's going to be.
Speaker 2: That's the way it is.
Speaker 1: But we enjoy it. We like it.
Speaker 2: That's why we're out there with it. We'll be going
Speaker 2: back out here again in May and for another week
Speaker 2: long camp out and stuff, and hopefully I'm hoping some
Speaker 2: of that activity that happened last year happens again. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know why we experienced last year. I mean,
Speaker 2: a lot of history, a lot of old foundations, vote
Speaker 2: homes or whatever back here in the woods. It's all
Speaker 2: primitive back here.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: If we can be, anything can be, it's more out
Speaker 2: there that's going on to what we realize.
Speaker 1: And that's the fact.
Speaker 2: Every things are black and white, like people think of
Speaker 2: this except for your daily life. But most people don't
Speaker 2: want to be taken out of the norm. Once they're
Speaker 2: taken out of the norm, their belief system is now
Speaker 2: messed up. We're not atheists. We believe in God, you know,
Speaker 2: we we're on that side. But then again, if you
Speaker 2: look in the Bible, what does the Bible talk about?
Speaker 2: You look down the history of Native Americans and even
Speaker 2: before them, not only here but other cultures. What do
Speaker 2: they talk about, what was going on back then? A
Speaker 2: love that history is carried forward with like Bigfoot dog
Speaker 2: Man for an example. Uh uh, that's just so much
Speaker 2: going on. You know, you can bust the brain cells
Speaker 2: thinking about it, but you got to stand back, take
Speaker 2: it in as it comes, try to rationalize, analyze it,
Speaker 2: and hopefully we don't get snapped up by UFO one
Speaker 2: not you never see us again.
Speaker 4: But you never know.
Speaker 2: It may happen, you know, but I'm not. It's not
Speaker 2: gonna keep me from going.
Speaker 1: Out in the woods and trying hopefully while I'm filming,
Speaker 1: I capture all this.
Speaker 2: We have got the can after the fact. That way
Speaker 2: people will pick up the camera see what happened, don't
Speaker 2: take it with him. But that's where we're at. And uh,
Speaker 2: we're we're practical about everything, and we're enjoying it. We're
Speaker 2: enjoying life for you know, the best we can until
Speaker 2: see what's on goes on after that or part of living.
Speaker 2: But there's things down to this happening. We don't have
Speaker 2: the answer for it, and ever expected it to happen,
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Butosh says, I get so tired of people.
Speaker 2: You know, is that big fit?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's big fit.
Speaker 2: It's like they get tunnel vision.
Speaker 1: It's a big fit.
Speaker 6: That's one thing about Daniel about us and stuff. Yes,
Speaker 6: we've been learning from Daniel for the last few years
Speaker 6: now a little bit more about what he does and stuff.
Speaker 6: But when he sees something, he also looks at the outside,
Speaker 6: the outer picture.
Speaker 4: He looks at everything around and.
Speaker 1: There's people that a correlation.
Speaker 2: There's people that hate that because.
Speaker 1: Got to rule out what you can not everything.
Speaker 2: Like Daniel and everybody says, nobody's an expert in this.
Speaker 2: You have people want to come off like they are.
Speaker 1: You can't be that way. It's something like they're talking
Speaker 1: about listen, day, were talking about things out. I'll be
Speaker 1: the first to admit, and I've said this multiple sometimes
Speaker 1: an easier said than done, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Because I mean, you want things to be this, but
Speaker 1: what you got to consider all these other possibilities, just
Speaker 1: like finding the various tree structures. I mean, when I
Speaker 1: first started this, I was I was one of those
Speaker 1: people that are very blowing up on the you know,
Speaker 1: like after observing what was being put out there, what
Speaker 1: I was observing on social media when I first jumped
Speaker 1: on all these tree structures. Okay, so that was something
Speaker 1: that made me more alert. I started observing these things
Speaker 1: more carefully. I started, you know, noticing things that people
Speaker 1: were talking about. Well, I never considered this, But then again,
Speaker 1: you look at the various tree structures. Okay, some of
Speaker 1: these could be ruled by you know, the suspects. Well,
Speaker 1: whether it's one major cause of a lot of this,
Speaker 1: but again, you've got various types of wildlife that are
Speaker 1: responsible for a lot of this, you know, and then
Speaker 1: if Bigfoot is doing this, I mean I might. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've seen this for yourself, and you know, most
Speaker 1: of David. The more you join these bifferent groups you
Speaker 1: gotta see it too, is Oh, I've got a bigfoot
Speaker 1: structure right here. This is a big structure. I want
Speaker 1: to say, Yeah, we all want to believe it's bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Bigfoot should be our last consideration. But like I tell people,
Speaker 1: there's always that possibility, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's mind blowing and it's exciting at the same
Speaker 1: time because we're caught up into this field that you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of excitement involved. But you know, we
Speaker 1: you know, for those of us that take it serious,
Speaker 1: I find it more entertaining and more fascinating. Hey, let's
Speaker 1: role all this out. Can we rove us out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know that's how what location?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel Militsa. When we're out, we're out hiking and stuff.
Speaker 2: We'll go along and gravel road. We see something that
Speaker 2: looks like it might be a little bit of structured
Speaker 2: ten fifteen to twenty yards off the road. I can't
Speaker 2: say that's gonna be a big foot. I mean I
Speaker 2: don't know, but people walk along that road all the time.
Speaker 2: They you know, like I said, you've got hopes was
Speaker 2: out there too. But now if you take the time
Speaker 2: and you're forty five menues deep in the woods, no
Speaker 2: hiking or horse trails or nothing around, now you come
Speaker 2: into a different situation. Yeah, I got to hunter aspect.
Speaker 2: You gotta know what Turkey blines look like. You gotta
Speaker 2: know what something can be temporarily set up as a blind,
Speaker 2: you know, for deer hunting and stuff like that. You
Speaker 2: go look for other clues and indides. You've got to
Speaker 2: structure where physics come into play. And you've got nine
Speaker 2: different things coming to one point that ain't weather right,
Speaker 2: but we can't say it's a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah put it there, something or someone or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had to have nothing to do it.
Speaker 3: It could be a regional but I always look for
Speaker 3: a pin and people always uh.
Speaker 4: I had some newbies with me and they didn't get it.
Speaker 3: Because we were going through like that tree structure and
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, that's not a tree structure.
Speaker 4: That's dead fall.
Speaker 3: And we're walking alongside that tree like nine dead that's
Speaker 3: from a windstorm.
Speaker 4: And I went to this other one. I'm looking at
Speaker 4: it and I'm like, I think this one's a structure,
Speaker 4: and they're like, what do you mean. I was like, well,
Speaker 4: in my area read it could be a I was like,
Speaker 4: there's a pin system. And they're like, what do you mean.
Speaker 3: And there was this young lady standing right here beside me.
Speaker 3: I said, well, if I pulled this branch and I
Speaker 3: pulled this little piece of wood and that tree smacked
Speaker 3: her right in the face. It just jumped up, went
Speaker 3: bam and thrilled her and she laying on her back
Speaker 3: and I'm like, it's a pins system.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just I just right upside the face
Speaker 4: but I was.
Speaker 3: She was standing in the what she could see, and
Speaker 3: I was like, the ones I've noticed that I've I
Speaker 3: have experienced with in my region is that there's always
Speaker 3: this one piece of wood and I just barely pulled
Speaker 3: it and this tree just wept boom.
Speaker 4: And thrilled her.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, looked, my bad. But yeah, so of
Speaker 3: course she gets up looks me. She's like, you asshole, Like.
Speaker 4: I did that on purpose. Like I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't put this together with the thought that I'm
Speaker 3: going to hit you with a tree. I mean, we
Speaker 3: just found this together. I just happened to see that
Speaker 3: one stick, and I was like, and that's what a
Speaker 3: lot of them are that I find. And that's one
Speaker 3: thing I always look for, and that when you have
Speaker 3: all the bins coming in, it's like it's one weird
Speaker 3: stick and it's always you know, just and if you
Speaker 3: pull it, the whole thing will go and still it
Speaker 3: right back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it might not jump up, you know, if it's.
Speaker 3: An older one. That might be like an old man
Speaker 3: having his first time bag run. Take a minute, but
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, that that's just yeah, I think my
Speaker 3: computer one of my damn oh no, I still got battery,
Speaker 3: gets everything flickering.
Speaker 1: Now we still hear you?
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, black hair Awards. I got another fire up
Speaker 4: the work phone. That's got a flash.
Speaker 1: Light, missus. I was gonna say, missus, Honey Hartman, ain't
Speaker 1: calling for your.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's my light stying. But I got
Speaker 4: a flashlight. So we're you look.
Speaker 1: So is that your wife? Your first name? Her name Honey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I came across that.
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool her that so back in the seventies,
Speaker 3: her dad loved Bobby Goldsborough and he did that.
Speaker 4: Song Honey, and so that's where her name came from.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: And then the the joke was that when she married me,
Speaker 3: I unfortunately made her done like a porn star.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought that Dave listened on your physbook page.
Speaker 1: Honey Hartman. I think, oh, okay, he married to her.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, like my bad, but yeah, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 3: her dad loved and which of course that song because
Speaker 3: of hers in my playlist.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he loved that song Honey by Bobby Goldsborough.
Speaker 4: So that's how it. Okay, I heard.
Speaker 2: Bobby Goldsborough name and he's taking I forgot about Bobby
Speaker 2: Goldsborough from seventies.
Speaker 4: He was that one hit wonder maybe two but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And what do you think about your involving with all this?
Speaker 4: So she used to go with me all the time.
Speaker 3: Ye and June eleventh, two thousand and eight, there was
Speaker 3: a lady texting and driving on a blind corner and
Speaker 3: hit us head on our motorcycle.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So we were both life flighted. We were both ambulanced
Speaker 3: and life flighted. I had more head trauma, but she
Speaker 3: had more body damage, like her leg. It was kind
Speaker 3: of like do we save it imputated kind of deal,
Speaker 3: and they saved it. But so she can't really get
Speaker 3: out the way that she used to. So she's okay
Speaker 3: with it, But there are times that I'm sure it
Speaker 3: gets annoying because I'm running off to the woods, I'm
Speaker 3: having fun with so and so, running around with Darren Er.
Speaker 3: We're going to Timmy, how's Tim Horton's, And then we're
Speaker 3: gonna go, uh, you know, we're gonna go hit Woodbury
Speaker 3: and she's stuck at work or she's at home and
Speaker 3: maybe her niece welled up.
Speaker 4: So I can see why it gets.
Speaker 3: Annoying from her point of view, But uh, this year,
Speaker 3: she is going to go to the festivals with me
Speaker 3: in the vendor tents, and so I upped my camping
Speaker 3: from what I normally do, uh, you know, accommodate her
Speaker 3: a little more.
Speaker 1: So okay, but yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, you're good.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask when you guys ever consider
Speaker 1: coming down to Virginia. I mean, you got to want
Speaker 1: to come back to come down to Virginia, can't Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean I have a three one hundred and one
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty or two hundred and thirty acres in Virginia.
Speaker 3: So council Hayesi Honacer right outside the breaks.
Speaker 4: The cannon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like okay, I did a library lecturer down
Speaker 1: there a few years back, well four years ago.
Speaker 3: My great great grandpa came here as a white slave
Speaker 3: from Ireland. A rich farmer paid for their passage and
Speaker 3: they had to work off their payment. While he was
Speaker 3: doing that, the Revolutionary War broke out, and so his
Speaker 3: owner whatever, signed him up to go fighting instead, and
Speaker 3: he commander the cannon brigade over Chesapeake Bay, helped cut
Speaker 3: the Cumberland Gap, and so when he was released from
Speaker 3: the military, automatically released him from the bond with the
Speaker 3: rich farmer, and he was given five hundred acres in
Speaker 3: North Carolina. And that was the most prime, nasty, stupidest
Speaker 3: ass swamp you ever seen in your life. So he
Speaker 3: sold it, bought the Virginia property, and then my family's
Speaker 3: just always been there, and now no one lives there
Speaker 3: anymore because the cabin burnt down in the eighties.
Speaker 4: And I went back here five six years ago for
Speaker 4: like the first.
Speaker 3: Time in thirty years, had to remo and recut the
Speaker 3: road going up the mountain, kind of get the property
Speaker 3: somewhat back on track. And yeah, we got Uh, it's
Speaker 3: either two hundred and thirty acres or one hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty acres and they're black bear turkey, all kinds of
Speaker 3: good little critters. Runner right over the ridge from one
Speaker 3: of the elk preserves.
Speaker 1: So okay, so you are. I was just about to
Speaker 1: ask you if Bulchanic County or Buchanic, Virginia, because there's
Speaker 1: true to the location on the hour south of me,
Speaker 1: and the other one is almost three to four hours
Speaker 1: south of.
Speaker 3: Is Buchinan County. Yeah, right outside the Breaks not too
Speaker 3: far from breaks Iner State Park in Kentucky, Virginia. That
Speaker 3: that breaks line, Honaker. I can't think of the name
Speaker 3: of the river off the top of my head, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's actually a yeah it's cold country down there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe an hour from like two hours from Bristol,
Speaker 3: an hour from Richmond, made something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a little further than Richmond.
Speaker 4: It's more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're on the south. I've been down there, Like
Speaker 1: I said, it's been a few years or so, but uh,
Speaker 1: there was a small library down there, and well it's
Speaker 1: actually a pretty Jesus sized library for the area there.
Speaker 1: I got invited to come down there and do a
Speaker 1: presentation down there. Live every pretty Jesus size. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean when I was driving down there and riding through
Speaker 1: the area before I got my destination of it, Wow,
Speaker 1: this area looks like it's like an area where time
Speaker 1: for guy, you know. Yeah, you know, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize later until I was like, man, I'm
Speaker 1: just made it from Kentucky, you know. You know, Uh,
Speaker 1: it depends on what direction you were heading in. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very watching down there, I will say that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just definitely it's weird because it's the land
Speaker 3: that time forgot. But it's the only wal Mart I've
Speaker 3: ever seen with an escalator in it. It's like, what
Speaker 3: possessed these backwoods ask people to put an escalator in
Speaker 3: a Walmart?
Speaker 1: Of all they got down there. Yeah, they're parking deck
Speaker 1: for a Walmart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's only.
Speaker 3: Four houses within ten miles of it. It's like, why
Speaker 3: would you eat the escalator?
Speaker 1: Well, that sounds like the very same area I was
Speaker 1: in Buquette County the walmart. Yeah, they had a lower
Speaker 1: level parking deck. Yeah, it was crazy. You the library
Speaker 1: was running around the corner from here on the other side.
Speaker 3: Okay, my property is about forty minutes from there, as
Speaker 3: the crow flies, it's only ten. It's just that the
Speaker 3: road does that number the whole way. So it's one
Speaker 3: of those where if you're going too fast you can
Speaker 3: actually put your lips out the window and kiss the
Speaker 3: back bumper. And yeah, so if the roads were straight
Speaker 3: or it would be ten minutes from there. But it's
Speaker 3: just the way they had to make the.
Speaker 1: Path so that down there. I will remember. I was
Speaker 1: very thankful after my after the library presentation I did,
Speaker 1: I went there was a I had meet some dinner
Speaker 1: they had a Chinese restaurant.
Speaker 3: There was yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 4: Eight houses, but a Walmart and a China bove Ye.
Speaker 4: The years ago and I don't even remember.
Speaker 3: What relative died. We had to go there for a
Speaker 3: funeral and we were looking for a little town in
Speaker 3: that area called War. And there was this old lady
Speaker 3: walking down the sidewalk. It's like, we're looking for a
Speaker 3: funeral parlor in War, Virginia, and now we damned that
Speaker 3: she didn't turn around and say, do you want War
Speaker 3: one or War two?
Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, they had to give us a choice.
Speaker 4: It's like, how do we know we're looking for War?
Speaker 4: We didn't know there were two of them.
Speaker 3: Does one have a funeral home and one does it
Speaker 3: by chance? And no, they both had funeral homes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, But that area, it is a very
Speaker 1: neat looking area down there. And yeah, there's a state
Speaker 1: park not far audience. Like I think the day before
Speaker 1: I left, before I had home, I got up early,
Speaker 1: left my hotel room, and yeah, there was a state
Speaker 1: park somewhere nearby. I forget what it was called, but
Speaker 1: I went in to the state park. And I mean
Speaker 1: talking about I have I posted pictures from here as
Speaker 1: though the area is beautiful out there. Uh it's I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to call it a resort, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a resort they have Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: overlooked the mountain ridge. I mean you get a full
Speaker 1: view of beautiful view of this. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: like that. I don't even I would have to look
Speaker 1: it up. I don't remember what it's called, but I
Speaker 1: recalled they had a gift shop there, you know. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know they haven't had some Bigfoot merchandise beside
Speaker 1: the door, you know which. Uh yeah, it's a very
Speaker 1: neat area. I would definitely love to come down to
Speaker 1: that area again to visit. And uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe some day down the some day down the road,
Speaker 1: I go back down there. One of the people that
Speaker 1: attended the library that I spoke at, I know, there's
Speaker 1: one lady she wanted me to come do it. Like
Speaker 1: last year, she wanted to come down to do a
Speaker 1: U birthday party for a little boy, you know, and
Speaker 1: and you a big footiding Catholic. I just it didn't
Speaker 1: work out. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, but it's whatever.
Speaker 4: But I'm that weird guy that when I go and
Speaker 4: do an area.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, like, no, man, I got any math.
Speaker 3: It's like I don't want math. Have you seen or
Speaker 3: heard anything about bigfoot? You know that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: And then then they.
Speaker 3: Look at you where like I'd be feel more comfortable
Speaker 3: if you were kind of buy math.
Speaker 4: But I'm the fruit loop looking for big vo. What
Speaker 4: can you tell me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's me.
Speaker 2: So do what you gotta do?
Speaker 4: You do you do well?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Mike, this has been awesome. This
Speaker 1: has been really good. But as we come to a
Speaker 1: close here, would you like the viewers and listeners, Uh,
Speaker 1: is there anything you want to want to share for
Speaker 1: the listeners for the rebrun on YouTube and this is
Speaker 1: also will be on eacdr B radio heard on all
Speaker 1: the major platforms.
Speaker 3: So I would say, just next time you're ound, just
Speaker 3: pay attention to your surroundings. Don't always look to notice
Speaker 3: the big things. Sometimes look for the little things. And
Speaker 3: don't be one of those hikers that always looks down
Speaker 3: for tracks. Sometimes you got to look up for tracks
Speaker 3: and right you'll see the little that whole line of
Speaker 3: eight foot branches. Just snap nap, snap nap, now where
Speaker 3: something look for the little stuff.
Speaker 4: But that would be the one thing I would leave
Speaker 4: with your listeners viewers.
Speaker 3: Whatnot is, don't always look for big stuff, sometimes look
Speaker 3: for little nuances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good points, very good, good point, excellent, excellent, Dan, Melissa,
Speaker 1: you have anything else you want to share before we
Speaker 1: jump off?
Speaker 2: No, that's pretty much it. I guess we'll see again
Speaker 2: in a couple of weekends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, next weekend because of one of this. And Mike, well,
Speaker 1: like I mentioned earlier, I don't know how your schedule
Speaker 1: is and how your work schedulings and whatnot. We got
Speaker 1: a group camp out coming up in May May seventeen
Speaker 1: for the twenty third. So if I mean, if it's
Speaker 1: something you think you could do, I mean, hey, we
Speaker 1: would love to have you there, you know, Okay, feel free.
Speaker 1: You can bring the missus, you know, because you know,
Speaker 1: like even if she can't get out and hike and explore, like,
Speaker 1: we have a group that usually stays back of camp
Speaker 1: and look at so you know, she wouldn't be alone,
Speaker 1: so you know, she would only be well companied. And
Speaker 1: you know, and we have some great people that hang
Speaker 1: around the camp and don't get out there for the
Speaker 1: rest of us do. So yeah, you know, so you know,
Speaker 1: if it's something we want to do, let us know.
Speaker 1: I'll for you the GPS coordinates to the location. But
Speaker 1: again that's May seventeen through the twenty third, and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to it. I got some investigations coming
Speaker 1: up between now and then because I'll be actually in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania coming up, uh not next week with the week after,
Speaker 1: I got a long group, a long camp out with
Speaker 1: meeting up. For those who know Chadwick Gales, I'll be
Speaker 1: investigating an area he's been investigating and checking out in
Speaker 1: the Chestnut Bridge area, which has got a lot of
Speaker 1: strange activity. Yeah, Chestnut Ridge area. Yeah, he's got some
Speaker 1: strange He's actually found some free toe tracks in that area.
Speaker 1: He's had a lot of other weird experiences and talking
Speaker 1: about strange lights, yeah, he's captured them on his trail campers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got some weird lights on his camera. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting up there and hopefully while
Speaker 1: I'm up there, I hopefully we get to hear the
Speaker 1: experience and stuff while we're there. So it's gonna be
Speaker 1: pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So but again, uh, you have the invice out
Speaker 1: there two year. You're welcome, more than welcome to join us.
Speaker 1: We would love that. Okay, good deal. And if you
Speaker 1: can't make it again, I guess I'll see you in
Speaker 1: October at the West Virginia Festival.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And same goes after you, Melissa David. If you
Speaker 1: guys can make it up there, I'll be out there
Speaker 1: Friday Saturday, and I'll be coming home Sunday, October ninth th,
Speaker 1: the eleventh. Uh in Summersville, Pennsylvania. It's gonna be Summersville,
Speaker 1: West Virginia. I'm sorry, Yeah, Nicholas veterans. Yeah, I'm getting
Speaker 1: things mixed up because you know, I'm not gonna tell
Speaker 1: you how much I've had to drink what I drink
Speaker 1: all the time, but try and oil almost a whole
Speaker 1: chase of bush beer. But yeah, I'm good. God An
Speaker 1: there's still more beer out of the fridge in the garage,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. We'll see. So hey, guys, I
Speaker 1: want to thank you guys very much, and uh, stay
Speaker 1: tuned to the very end. I'll be back with a
Speaker 1: few last minor announcements. But keep the squatching everyone, and uh, Mike,
Speaker 1: it's been.
Speaker 4: A pleasure absolutely, it's been wonderful.
Speaker 1: We need to do it again sometimes.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys, all right, m alright, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I'll be enjoyed tonight's podcast. Uh. I thought that was
Speaker 1: very awesome. I reviewed. But ladies and gentlemen, I thank
Speaker 1: you guys enough for tuning in and listening. Uh. Next Friday,
Speaker 1: excuse me, let me back up. Next Saturday, we will
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