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Speaker 1: Hello ladies, gentleman, and welcome to I don't know what

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number this is for episode of geek first, because this

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is the technical one. I think it's sixty six hundred

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and ninety six. I'm not kunding non spoilers one because

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it's a mini one, but I am the oh boy,

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I don't really I don't really know. Again, I just

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want to go climb on prints of podcast. I didn't

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by I am the Tamiba taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Austin, you can go back a couple of

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days ago to hear our thoughts non spoilers. We both

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did very much enjoy this film. I gave it a

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ten tailor gave it a nine point five. We did

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have some, you know, some points, some criticisms, some critiques,

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things like that, oh see, I give it ten, but

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I can sell some critiques. But I yeah, we will

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kind of If you want our overall thoughts, it's best

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just to go listen to that and then but we'll

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kind of hit on some of those like thoughts in

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a longer form as far as spoilers, So this is

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a full spoilers one. No nonspoilers portion that's in the

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feed a couple of days ago. Check that out. Just

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give you a one before we get into it. Everything

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We very much appreciate all of you. Tear Field, So

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you said, that's where we talked about before, and that's

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what I want to ask you. So in the book,

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they do the back and forth as far as space

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Earth space, Earth, space Earth.

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Speaker 3: Right, they do, yeah, because that's how he's trying to remember, right,

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how he gets to that point at the end when

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he's with Rocky, he's like, Okay, I remember everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which was crazy because I thought he would have

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remembered it more by that point. Like the member is

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a little selective, But I guess. I've never been in

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a comato state for fourish years or whatever, so I guess.

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Speaker 3: And that was intentional too. That wasn't the result of

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the coma that he was in. Like they they they

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drugged him so that he would be remembering over a

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period of time.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I think they mentioned that in the movie.

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, they might have at some point, but yeah,

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that's where So at first, so I wasn't sure how

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the because I could have seen that being either way

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in the book. As far as the beginning and how

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it would have gone, I thought that worked out very well.

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I thought the placement of when those scenes popped in

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as far as oh, there's a big moment where him

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and Rocky looked like they could die, and then we

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cut to the beginning, you know, or at the beginning,

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but him still trying to say if he's going to space,

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I think they were placed pretty much to a perfect amount,

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because I think some movies do that and they can

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put the scenes in oh it's like okay, not unnecessary,

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but we don't know where these are going, so just

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put this here, or it's a scene where it kind

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of kills the tension where you just want to get

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back to the main stuff, right, because I think with

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how it unfolded, especially with the story, I don't think

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i'd want this in a chronological order. But at first

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I was wondering, okay, why especially near the end when

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it's still him decide its okay. Also, we know he's

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going to space. But that's the big I guess. I

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don't know if there's more Offsely, I imagine the biggest twist

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is the fucking alien, but we all knew that going

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into the movie because they showed that, and like I said,

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he's I feel like Rocky appears in the first act.

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I'm sure in the book it feels like it takes longer.

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I feel like in the movie though, I know that's

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a big thing, but I kind of get why they

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showed him in marketing because it's not really that long

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to you get to him. You know, It's like, I

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get it. It would have been I guess that would

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have been interesting how I would have felt watching the

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movie not knowing it. But it didn't feel like it

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took so long that it was like a big twist,

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where like, oh my god, it is a big twist,

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but it just it felt so early that that's why

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it's a big part of the movie. They had to

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do that. But to me, the big so obviously the

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alien in there. For book readers, that's probably the big twists.

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didn't see the trailers or you know, whatnot or the

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other side of it is the that he didn't choose

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to go on this mission because they set up that. Okay,

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he's they set up. He's a teacher. He kind of

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has like some uh, what do they call when you write,

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like not an op ed but like what it is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That okay, So he's kind of right. He wrote this

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thing about how he views many like his theory is

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there's lots of other plants in the world that might

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not even need water, and how waters not actually needed,

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which is great that he gets proved wrong, and you know,

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first second act and he questions everything but the whole

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in the earth stuff and we'll just cover that. That's

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the built we'll talk about maybe chronological. That's the build

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up towards. Okay. He meets the scientists, look at the name,

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meets the scientist, meets the team, does the ex experiments,

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goes deeper and deeper into Project Hill Mary and what

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he can help with, and then about the thing. It's

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like four three days before launch day, they're doing some

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tests and the person that's like the scientists astronau pilot's

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gonna go up. Of course, explosion happens. They decide you

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got to go. But that's where I did not know

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this part at all, and that's where I think was

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the stronger aspect for it to me that they say, hey,

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well you got three hours to sign and he's sitting

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there and he's thinking, and then he's like, oh, well

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you're gonna have a solution. She said, well, you're my solution,

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and they go, oh, I just can't do it. And

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then when the doors closed and the one door opens

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and it's just a bunch of security officers and they

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got needles and a bag and all this stuff like

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their rages to take them and that's what they do.

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Where that's where you think the memory works great. But this,

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like to me, was so powerful where the whole movie

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is making you believe this guy is a hero and

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he still did this thing for the world when really

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he didn't do it at like he did do but

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I mean, like to sacrifice or volunteer himself. He did not.

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she said like, hey, if you sit down, this will

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go easier. But it was against his will. They drug him,

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put him a coma, and just send him up there.

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because you're up there, you must think, Okay, I just

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I'm fuzzy on this. I guess I'm up here with

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my expertise. Won the great lines when he wakes up

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and he says like, oh is this whatever? He's like,

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am I smart? Like lots of the narration he has

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to himself is great. But yeah, the idea that he

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didn't choose the sacrifice and they made it for him,

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that was a huge, huge character moment and a big

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twist for myself.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and you know, people try to break that

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down and think like, Okay, if if he was opted

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not to go, and he was able to not go,

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he would probably have regretted it and changed his mind

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a few days later to go. And I think that's

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something you see throughout the book where he's like, ah,

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I can't offer much, I can't help, And this book

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expedited that where Strat's like do you want to be

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on the mission, He's like, yeah, I want to be

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on the mission. I want to help research astrophage. And

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so you see that in the book, a common reoccurrence

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where he doesn't have that confidence at first, but he

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turns around and then he's like yes, I actually can

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do it. I want to do it, And so that

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would have been the same application here with him, No

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I don't want to go, but you know what, yes

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I will go. Because earlier on and I thought we

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would get that sequence where yes, he's teaching the students,

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but he has a moment in the book where uh,

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he's thinking in his head and here it was kind

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of out loud, but in his mind in the book,

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he's looking at his students and he's thinking like, oh man,

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in thirty years, half of these students are going to

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be dead. And he has that on his conscious and

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so then he calls up Stratton's like, Okay, how can

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I help. I'm gonna let me, let me work, let

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me do some stuff here. But him him going and

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being abducted. There's another may your part here that they

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didn't use, and they didn't need to because that would

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have made things a little bit more rushed. So you

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have people that are trained for the mission, and when

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they break down everyone on the planet who can qualify

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for this, you have I'm just gonna throw a number

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two thousand people that are trained as astronauts, pilots, everything

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like that that can handle this type of journey.

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Speaker 2: And they have to be.

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Speaker 3: Fit and all that kind of stuff. The other thing, too,

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is a medically induced coma, this process that they have

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to put you into this kind of like the stasis.

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certain kind of thing that allows you to be compatible

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with the procedure to go into this coma, and that

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on the planet. And so they did blood samples of

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everyone and that's when they found out he was compatible

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Speaker 2: So he was then he was.

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Speaker 3: The only legitimate option because he was compatible to go

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in to the coma that they needed to put them

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into this deep sleep so they could go on this

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this extensive journey. So that was another thing that they

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didn't include in there, which is fine because that would

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have been at a whole other layer and rushed things

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Speaker 1: And you see, I yeah, I don't think I really

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needed that because I think, even though I'm sure we

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had these conversations all the time, feel might feel that

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I think that made the government's choice not more selfish,

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but a bit more devious, which it's could you argue

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it's not devious because they're trying to say the world,

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but it's still they're forced this guy against as will

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right where if it's like you might find a solution,

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her pitch was like, well yeah, but it's going to

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delay us that more people will die. To me, I

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kind of I like because if it's if it's he's

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the only one, then the government take him is like,

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well they have no other solution, you have like they

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it's almost like you can't say the government's bad in

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a way because they only have one motivation to do

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this right where in this movie they still they do,

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but it's still more because of a time error where

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it's like, okay, we could train somebody to get but

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they even said like that could bring us back like

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thirty months or whatnot. Something gave out some number. So

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a bit more mischievous and something I think they would

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do in real life, like, yeah, we could wait for

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a solution, but we got this guy right now, so

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let's send him up there so I can see that.

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reason why I was really happy at that choice, and

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I'm awesome. I'm sure it's the same way in the book,

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and we'll talk about the ending here in a bit.

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But it's such a gratefull circle because if you think

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he's just going up there to sacrifice himself, he's already brave.

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That's why he gets multiple moments. Great scene with him

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and Rocky. I know, I'm kind of jumping all over,

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but it's all gonna interlink here. When he's kind of

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given the explanation of what brave is and what the

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sacrifice is, it's like, well, I'll just literally over a

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few years and die. And when Rocky says like, oh

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I don't want to see you die or know that

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you die. I'll delay my trip six years back so

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you can go back. When Gosling turns around that emotional

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he turns around and this little Rocky alien has this

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this moment that he can he'll put himself six years back.

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guy out. Man, that's a great moment. And that's why

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though it's also they bond and we're gonna talk about Rocky,

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but it is to save a planet, right like in

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it or error whatever the planet is Rocky's from, sure,

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but in the movie it was just like E E

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So but that's what's great, is sure he

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a second with the decision for the government. Right. But

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at one point they find out, okay, the things the

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tamiva they thought are gone. While he's going back, there's

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a release and he finds out that these things kind

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of eat through the materials that Rocky was using. So

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obviously Gostling has other materials to lock these things in

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so he can send them back to Earth. He's good

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to go. But the problem is Rocky ship is just

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made of nothing but that material, right, So what I

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took from is just gonna eat through it. It's gonna

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either kill him by like he said, slowly, radiation, all

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this type of stuff, right, So this is not good

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for a ship. So he has to decide he's been

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given the whatever it was to go back. He's Brian

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Goslin's gonna get home, so he could go back to Earth.

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can either. He can't do both. He can't go back

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to Earth with the cure. I'll just call it the

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cure because I'm gonna fuck up the tea word over

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time with the cure with a solution. He can't go

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back to Earth with a solution, and Rocky also go back.

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He either he has to go back and save Rocky

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or he has to go back to Earth by himself

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and let Rocky die. And of course he's doing that

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to save the planet, right, But that's not what in

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that moment, he's not talking about that. He's talking about Rocky.

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And that's where it's great. Where in the flashbacks, you

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know whatever, they're not flashbacks, they're all but in the flashbacks,

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he decides not to go right, he says, you can

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find someone. I'm just not ready for this, and they

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drug them, they send him. He would not leave the

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planet to save the entire planet, even though they say, hey,

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you're our best bet right now, seven eight billion whatever

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it is in this book or movie, he didn't leave

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the planet to save those people. He was forced to,

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but he didn't do that right, and like you said,

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maybe it would have changed my mind, regret it. But

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still in the moment he shows, hey, I'm not gonna

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go where this time to sacrifice himself. Sure he's saving

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another planet, but he's really just going for one guy,

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you know, Like that's what he's all focused about, is Rocky,

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Rocky Rocky. They even say that, right, like the scientists

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to him on Earth is like you have no close family,

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You have no wife, no kids, you don't even have

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a dog, Like you're a perfect can to go like

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kind of sad, like you have no one right. And

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that's where it shows again with that optimism where this

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guy doesn't really have been close friends, has made close

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friends with this alien and he's willing because Rocky was

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willing to ghep some this time, he's willing to sacrifice

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himself to get back just to make sure that Rocky

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not gonna die. I know. Again, people will make the

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case of oh well, it's also another plan line. I

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get that, but to me, it was more like on Earth,

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he wasn't even willing to sacrifice himself for an entire planet. Now,

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because this journey is bonding with Rocky, he'll sacrifice himself

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just for this one fucking alien dude pretty much right,

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just to make sure he's okay. So that's why it's

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like such a grateful circle, because if he's a hero

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that leaves for Earth, it's like, well, yeah, of course

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he was already in a die. He was close with Rocky.

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Of course he would do this right, but him kind

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of being a coward and not going makes it just

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that much better. And how close he is with Rocky.

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So I loved all those choices to do with the

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decision not to go, sending him the decision of oh shit,

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this thing is leaking. It's gonna kill Rocky. I got

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a link back. Does he link up a little bit

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easy with Rocky? Yeah? I think so. I don't know

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if that space would work out when they show the

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map of how he would bounce from there to there,

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But I'm a fucking dummy, so all the science stuff,

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I'm sure it works out there, But yeah, what are

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you obviously you've read this before, but what are you

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thinking about How they portrayed all this stuff in the

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film of him not being sent and obviously talked about

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the test, so that was different, but then going with

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Rocky intersecting them all that type of stuff.

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to Earth and just catch everyone off Garba, like, how

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you're not supposed to be able to make it back

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to Earth. How did you make it back to Earth?

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And the fall out of that conversation, what Earth looks like?

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You found an alien out there?

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Speaker 2: All of this stuff. There's just so many things that

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I really wanted to see.

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Speaker 1: But I love the.

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Speaker 3: Idea that he opted to He opted to go and

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save Rocky, and even though yes, he couldn't remember everything,

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he still was just inherently, inherently a good person because

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he just figured out what he had to do and

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he started doing it and started working, and even as

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he started to remember, he was still doing what he

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knew he needed to do. And I think that that's

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just that speaks volumes to his character. And you again,

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it's not without tribulations or obviously, like right after he

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remembers how he was sent up here, against his own will.

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He's having a moment where he's just like upset but

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everything where you get that that sequence where he's just

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and he he calls himself on it because Rocky's like,

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what was all that stuff about you being.

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Speaker 2: You know, brave and accepting it?

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Speaker 3: What He's like, I was just saying shit, yeah, because

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it's just filler. But when he turns around and Rocky's like,

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I give you, you know, some of my fuel and whatnot,

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and Gozzling turns around, it's all Gosling in that moment.

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The emotion on his face, it just it makes you

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feel like tears in your eyes, Like it hit me

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because he's just you feel that little bit of hope

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and it's just I'm sure everyone everyone on this planet

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has had a moment where you just feel like the

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odds are stacked against you.

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Speaker 2: You feel hopeless, you feel.

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Speaker 3: Like depressed, something something, but you have that little just

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moment of reprieve or happiness that just alleviates everything because

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of the kindness of someone else, and it just brings

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you to like tears immediately. And that's what he had,

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and he just did such a good job delivering that

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in the scene and shout out to this. So the

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guy that was the puppeteer for Rocky was the voice

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of Rocky as well, which I'm really happy with that.

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's an awesome little thing.

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Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah. No, I was just looking into right

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now because I just want to see how much was

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on set, and obviously if they got the puppeteer, there's

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a lot and that's where true, that's where I will sit.

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So I'll give the guy a lot of credit too,

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because I guarantee there is still some scenes where he

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like especially I'm sure some of the scenes were Rocky

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is like getting thrown around a move like he's acting

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with I'm sure a CGI something or whatnot. Right. So again, still, though,

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the way Mark Hamill got so much credit for Empire

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strikes back because it's the same thing anyone said everyone

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said back then, right, which Georgie because even said about Charger,

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and it proved to be the case when saying if

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Jorgia doesn't work, this whole movie doesn't work. And for

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me it's like, well, yeah, there's all the things I

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don't work a fan mass, but Yoda was that original test,

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Like I have think more, but I think Yoda was

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prett in the major pulp culture. That was the first

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test of if Yoda doesn't work in this Dagaba stuff,

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this movie's gonna fucking suck big time. And if Mark

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Hamill doesn't work, it's gonna suck big time. Right, And

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it's the same thing as a puppet. So sure of

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course there's a guy there. They're doing the voice, doing

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the liners, but you're still having to act towards just

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this thing that you You have an extra level of

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believing it's real when someone's in front of you and

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you're doing that, even if it's green screens, like I

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can at least play off that person. This is you are.

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It's like credit to like even more so some or

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not more so, the same level of like, uh, even

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though I was gonna say, like you talk Elijah and

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Sean Ashton with Gallam. But at the same time, it's

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still like Andy serkis doing the faces and stuff right,

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where like Rocky's still just like it's just a puppet

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that also a puppet that has really no face. So

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it's not like, oh, we're gonna we're gonna animatronic that's

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gonna wink at you and new move its mouth. It's like, no,

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it's just like this rock puppet things. That's where it's

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just like an extra level of what Gossling really has

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to do to It's not even like imagine if the

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movie was good and Gossing was just like good enough,

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like okay, yeah he did good Joe the puppet, that

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must have been difficult. Good for him. This is like

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he was above and beyond. It was like matching all

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the stuff you would do in other movies, right, which

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is not an easy task. So no, I think that

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stuff was all great. Rocky was and the same thing.

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That's the biggest thing that I send nonspoils. But it's

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the same thing here. If Rocky doesn't work, this whole

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movie is over because it's and that's where it's different

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than the Martian, right, because Marsian you have Matt Damon,

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then you have the people on Earth. Matt Damon's gonna work.

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Ause Matt Damon's great and he's charismatic and it's like, hey,

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you put him in the room and he just talks

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to cameras, you're fine. But with this Rocky thing, if

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this thing is cheesy or comes off as lame or

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doesn't work, and we've seen like, it's not like this

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is anything new. Right, If people I'm not sure, well,

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when did I don't think it's start? When did Project

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hill Mary is a book come out in the two thousands?

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Speaker 3: Right, I'd say, oh, good thing, I got the book

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right here, and I can look at this date on

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the back, uh.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna say the two thousand, But I'm not sure.

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I'd just be speaking in my ass. So that's why

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I don't want to speaking out of the ass. Where

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is the data here? I probably should have just searched us.

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I feel like I could have found it faster, but.

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Speaker 3: You could find it faster.

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Speaker 2: There's so many pages in this.

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Speaker 1: Book, book release date. Let's see the book came out

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in twenty twenty one, only holy shit.

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Speaker 2: Really fucking recently in May, so it's not even.

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Speaker 1: Five years old. So my point is the way that

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and it's fine because people always inspire, take new adaptation, story, whatever,

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But the same way Avatar people go, oh Avatar, it's

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dances with wolves or it's fern Gully, right, this is like,

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this isn't any different than fucking grogu. This is a

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care like we how many times in movies TV shows,

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have we seen human character meets alien or some object

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moons or whatever. They can't speak and they find a

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way to talk and dialogue and it is you know,

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cute or funny or charming and whatnot. It's been done before,

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but I'm just saying this is definitely one of those

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best iterations of it. And it's also been done to

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a point where it's not good. So it's the thing

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of It's not like reinventing the wheel. It's just making

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a very good wheel with Rocky. And as far as

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how you go from the okay to being scared as

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an alien, to learning to communicate via silent language or

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tapping to the language, to all the little beats of

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you know, Rocky saying a lot of stuff backwards like

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bump fist and time go. You know, like, there's lots

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of good moments you do. And I think that is

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the best part with and that helped with Grogu too.

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Also being practical, with Rocky being practical a lot of times,

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or if there were effects around them looking good it

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is that helps with the believability because it is a

473
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very looking cgi thing. With Ryan Gossling, it will check

474
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,640
you out a little bit right. But I think they

475
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,880
did a fantastic job with Rocky the comedic because yeah,

476
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,240
that actor, because I was trying the whole place to

477
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,599
try and get the voice, and at times I thought

478
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:49,960
it was Rain Wilson. Was like, no, I don't think

479
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,400
it's the Rain Wilson. But the actor did such a

480
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,759
good job as well there too. It was something you

481
00:20:54,759 --> 00:20:57,160
were cheering for to the point of man, when that

482
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,839
moment when things are crashing, that was a big shocking scene.

483
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,359
When it looks like it's going good all that that

484
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,640
was good because I didn't really think Gossing was ever

485
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,599
gonna bite it. I thought it was gonna be happy ending.

486
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,880
So when he's on the space walk, he's trying to

487
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,839
get all the solution, the tumble eye or whatever, and

488
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,440
it's flipping around. He's getting him like heay, he's gonna

489
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,000
make it. Still very intense scene, well shot beautiful look

490
00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:21,319
and see all the space that's beautiful. But then he

491
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:26,000
gets in and the fuel tanks for twelve and eleven

492
00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:28,599
around fire stats to release him. That moment where the

493
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,960
chair just gets hit and he just goes like face

494
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:33,359
first in the monitor. That's the only time I thought, oh, man,

495
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,000
he's not gonna make it like he's just gonna like

496
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,119
electrified here, but like he gets hit and Rocky gets thrown,

497
00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:41,440
and then it leads this whole sequence of Rocky can

498
00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:44,319
add the chamber and pulling him out, and Gosling's gonna

499
00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:46,200
put into like a little mini coma as he watches

500
00:21:46,279 --> 00:21:49,359
Rocky just like he's melting his like rock skin or whatever,

501
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,559
because the atmosphere and then when he finds it, like

502
00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:54,480
the little clumps of Rocky and Rocky's somewhat alive, it

503
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,000
looks like coma. All that stuff was great and you're

504
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,160
you're rooting for it and you're on pins and eels.

505
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,799
I like I said, I didn't think I think Gossling

506
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,359
was gonna die, but I was. I did think they

507
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,200
were going for a Rocky and I'm finally they didn't

508
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,960
because it leads to supple talk about the ending. But

509
00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:11,519
they did have me there, and I think that was

510
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,279
the same thing for pacing wise, I think that went

511
00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:16,759
on too long to make me go, Okay, Rocky's coming back.

512
00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:18,839
I think they should have shortened some of the montage

513
00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:21,240
of him talk. It's the tough thing is it's all

514
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,440
tough of him talking to him, giving like the get

515
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,799
well cards and everything. But the longer it went on,

516
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,839
I didn't think, like, we're gonna have five minutes of

517
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,599
gossling missing Rocky and then he's just gonna die, you know.

518
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,400
So that's one thing I would for the intensity, I

519
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,880
would have took it up a little bit to think like, oh,

520
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,839
maybe he's not gonna make it again. These are little critiques,

521
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,680
but I think they did a overall just phenomenal job

522
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,519
with the presentation, the look, the sound, the feel, everything

523
00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:47,480
in the build up towards Rocky. Even though I know

524
00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:49,640
that was a big pin point of contention for you

525
00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:52,319
for the like revealing that and getting out there because

526
00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:54,599
I imagine the book, Yeah, that must have been something big.

527
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,079
But at the same point, this being such a big

528
00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:57,759
plot point in the movie and they still got to

529
00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:00,559
make a profit, want to be successful. That's why they

530
00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:02,759
showed it. But yeah, how did you as a book reader, Phil,

531
00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:04,400
they represent Rocky in this movie.

532
00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 3: I think they did a good job because it's one

533
00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:10,839
of those things where it's I didn't have any idea

534
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,880
what this guy was looking like. I mean, they detail

535
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,359
it obviously in the movie, but it's again something that's

536
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,079
I'm trying to wrap my head around. And yeah, and picture,

537
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,799
but no, I like how they detailed him. I liked

538
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,720
how they kept it practical, puppeteering him. Everything like that

539
00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:30,119
was great and they really captured that dynamic and that

540
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,200
element of him communicating and Rocky as a character. I

541
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,079
would have liked to have seen Rocky building a little

542
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,519
bit more because that was one of the highlights in

543
00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:39,400
the book, was just him as his builder.

544
00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: I can see what it might be tougher doing the

545
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,759
puppeteering thing, right, that's when you might get into more

546
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,000
cgi Rocky and you probably want to like stay clear

547
00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:51,000
of that. Not looking good. So yeah, and he tells

548
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000
me the middle thing, I build it. He says, it's wrong.

549
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:55,519
That line was fucking That was great.

550
00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really good.

551
00:23:57,279 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 3: You do get a sequence of him doing some building,

552
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,599
which was really enjoyable.

553
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, everything with the character I really really liked.

554
00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:07,160
And he's it is it is. I'm glad.

555
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,079
Speaker 3: I'm glad that they addressed how he stays alive because

556
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,039
he was in the an engineering part of the ship

557
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,960
his ship where the astrophage was blocking the radiation, so

558
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,240
he didn't die, but all of his crew did. But

559
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,920
I think remember in the book, he was floating around

560
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,039
that star system for a few years, so he was

561
00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:26,200
definitely there for a while. He didn't just get there.

562
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:33,240
And then what was the other thing to getting makes sense?

563
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:35,839
Speaker 1: Like he got say like Gossling, same thing. Something happened.

564
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,759
I can't remember what they explained. They gave some other

565
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:43,200
science Chargonhall. Gossling survived and the other people didn't. So

566
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,240
again like similar patterns, right, I think he lost their

567
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:48,119
crew and they didn't have anything to do with it.

568
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: It was just right in the book.

569
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,079
Speaker 3: I think it was limitations on the machines couldn't conduct

570
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,599
like surgery if there was anything they needed to be done.

571
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,720
So I think if there was any serious medical stuff,

572
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:03,359
the machines are just there to keep you alive and

573
00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:06,119
tend to you, but they're not there to perform certain

574
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,920
things like you need a doctor to do. A machine

575
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,160
can't diagnose you on this ship. A doctor diagnoses and

576
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,720
then would treat you. So the machines just treat you,

577
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,039
but they can't treat you because they can't diagnose you.

578
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: Right, So that was the fallbacks.

579
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,519
Speaker 3: But that was not the cool thing I liked about

580
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:25,240
the ship because they had to, and they highlighted that

581
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:28,559
in the movie. They have all the technology, but then

582
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:32,279
you can't just make all the technology work in zero gravity.

583
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:35,440
You have to reinvent the technology for zero gravity. But

584
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,160
it's like, well, that would take years and years and

585
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,200
years to reinvent everything for zero gs. So no, we'll

586
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,160
just create a ship that has that centrifugeon creates artificial

587
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,680
gravity and then you don't have to worry about it

588
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,400
that you can just use the equipment normally. But anyways,

589
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:52,039
back to Rocky, Yeah, no, he's just he's so optimistic

590
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,359
and positive and I absolutely love this character. When they

591
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,319
introduced him in the book, he was just such a

592
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,519
delight and I really really was rooting for him, and

593
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:06,599
I just think he really meshes well with Grace's character,

594
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,799
and again because I just think they're both well Rocky

595
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,079
he's a great at building, he's an engineer, but he

596
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,759
also has such a great degree of intelligence.

597
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: And I also like too that, Okay, well, his species.

598
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,599
Speaker 3: Has accomplished space travel and they've accomplished the ability to

599
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,799
do wondrous things.

600
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: They are not one, you know, at the top of

601
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,480
the line.

602
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:34,279
Speaker 3: When it comes to the space stuff, because you obviously

603
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,400
have you have the dilemma of the radiation with the ship,

604
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,319
and there's certain things that elude them that they're not

605
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,599
fully aware of, which I like, you know, just like

606
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,519
humans aren't fully aware of everything. But I like that

607
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,000
degree of development too, where okay, humans they prep the

608
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:54,200
ship with the beatles and all these contingencies and all

609
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,039
these different things.

610
00:26:56,079 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 2: But it's just it's it's interesting to see that to.

611
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: Cultures and civilizations clash and Rocky getting super excited about

612
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,799
having a laptop filled with all human knowledge. Because that

613
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,200
was one other thing too that they gave. They gave

614
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:15,680
Grace this the every book and archive of human knowledge

615
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,000
imaginable and planet Earth that he had access to in

616
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:20,559
his ship. That's that was something that they deposited in

617
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,079
there for him, which is pretty good.

618
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: Do you think on that? On that which I really liked,

619
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,079
the room that had all the screens so they could

620
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,359
you know, reminisce with the trees and the lake and everything.

621
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,279
That was great. The thing they had porn on there

622
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,039
for them.

623
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he had Rocky on there. He had porn

624
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:36,480
on there.

625
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,319
Speaker 3: This this is what we do on our how we

626
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,559
made Yeah, you know, one of the other things with

627
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,119
Rocky though that I wish they included was when Grace

628
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,680
went back to the blip a after he figured out

629
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:56,799
how the to me, but could basically go through excuse me,

630
00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,680
you go through the the I can't remember. It's called

631
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,279
the zenanit or the material basically, so it can basically

632
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,000
go through the entire ship of Blipping Rocky ship. So

633
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,720
when Grace goes back and catches up to the ship,

634
00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:13,039
the ship is like dark and desolate, and he pulls

635
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,240
up and he connects to it and he creeps in

636
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,480
there and he's like asking, like Rocky, Rocky, where are you?

637
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,319
Speaker 1: Which you got a little bit of that.

638
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: But when Rocky shows up, he's coated in astrophage head

639
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,680
to toe, like he just he's you can tell, like,

640
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,640
it's fucking depressing. He you thought he was doomed and

641
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,000
he had no idea what was going on. But in

642
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:32,200
here he just crawls down the tunnel and it's it's

643
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,880
all fine. I would have love to have seen it,

644
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,400
and I think that would have just been an extra

645
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,160
emotional tick to see him actually be super stressed and

646
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,839
just think, oh my god, because now he has the

647
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:44,880
reverse where Grace was tearing up with the fact that

648
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,680
he's going to get to go home and have that fuel.

649
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,279
But now here you have Rocky thinking he was done,

650
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,400
but now he's here, and that is enclosing. That's for me,

651
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,519
one of the highlights is that Grace came back and

652
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:59,720
he saved this entire species, and it was just so hopeful.

653
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,799
Speaker 1: With the book, though, do you have that moment where

654
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,480
Rocky's kind of comatose and injured and everything.

655
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,119
Speaker 2: M hmm.

656
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: I think that's the only reason why they didn't do

657
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,599
in the film is because I think with the book

658
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,720
you have probably longer pacing in the film because they

659
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,160
just had Rocky, you know, go through the experience come

660
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,680
out alive. I think they probably, with it being so close,

661
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,559
didn't want to have Rocky again, like Kurt, like, they

662
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,240
kind of did that beat right where in a book

663
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,400
you probably could spread out longer of Oh, you're gonna

664
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,599
have that moment, but it's you're gonna get more time

665
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,279
we're in the movie. That's why I'd says, well, we

666
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:32,240
just got Rocky at the thing, let's not put him

667
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,160
in too much peril. I think they kind of I

668
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,000
agree with you, that could have been a good moment.

669
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,039
I bet that's just why they did it is because

670
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,279
maybe it's too similar, too soon. But I think even

671
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:43,640
to try to invoke that moment a little bit, them

672
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,839
just having Rocky not come right away kind of still

673
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,160
did like Okay, again, I didn't think he was dead.

674
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,920
I thought he was kind of safe there, but like, okay,

675
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,440
what's happening. Something's going on there. But that's something you touched.

676
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:56,200
You might have touchedupon. I had to step up to

677
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,440
ten of some twins. But if you didn't, That's why

678
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,359
I loved is. It wasn't just like Ryan Goslin doesn't

679
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,480
know what to do and this alien provides everything. It

680
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:08,519
was them literally working together as scientists. Right. There's a

681
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,680
great moment where when they Rocky figured out like life

682
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:14,920
is the answer or whatever the phrase is, and they

683
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,640
figure out pretty much like whatever's on this planet, it's

684
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,720
creating life. And that's a preterran. It's almost like at

685
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,359
a anti like oxen Gin or something like that, where

686
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,200
it's like anytime this you know, these ray of living

687
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,519
bacterias coming down and just they're getting ate up right,

688
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:31,839
So it's like in the O zone, it's just like gone,

689
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,000
That's what I believe. I'm sure there's some science jargon,

690
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:36,559
but that's why I love he's acting like a scientist

691
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:38,839
when he's like life is the answer, Life is the answer,

692
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:40,680
and he's running and Gospil like, what are you talking about?

693
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,839
Like it feels very much like if someone's having that

694
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,839
epiphany or they've made this great discovery. Right. So it's

695
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,880
where I felt that Rocky still was alien enough, but

696
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,640
so human qualities where they could connect, but also human

697
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,000
qualities you probably picked up from Gossling. But that's what

698
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:59,519
I liked on scientific level, that it was, Okay, Rocky's

699
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:01,720
done X and Z all, but Goslin kind of has

700
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:03,680
this little thing and that helps or Gosten does X,

701
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,480
Y and Z and that helps Rocky. You know, again,

702
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,799
we have all in the human world. We only have

703
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,359
enough to get you there, you know, two million of whatever.

704
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:14,799
That's it. Where what the technology with Rocky has, Well,

705
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,359
I can get you back there. You know, it's gonna

706
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,759
make me a little slower, but I can get you

707
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:22,039
back there where vice versa. Gosling had that material it

708
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,880
ate up, but then he had other material to keep

709
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,720
the solution right. Where Rocky does it. All his stuff

710
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:28,480
is based in that way. So that's where I thought

711
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,359
it was multiple times they use each other's solutions and

712
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,759
ways to save each other. So that's where it just

713
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,240
it felt very equal, where it didn't just feel like, oh, oh,

714
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:40,240
powerful alien saves a human and they couldn't have done it,

715
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,039
you know, It's like they couldn't have done it without

716
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:44,480
each other. It's not just one or the other. And

717
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:46,559
I guess that's a hope again, a hopeful message, like

718
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,119
you talked about is when we talk all the time.

719
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:51,039
I'm sure you talk about clues made times and we

720
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,200
talked about a few times in bread Butter's or random newscasts,

721
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,759
but the ideas of aliens in that outer life form

722
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:00,839
and like if they were to land or weird to

723
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,920
meet them, what would be like? Right? And I think

724
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,319
this is hopefully trying to be a good message, and

725
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,720
you can even apply to anything, right, You can apply

726
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:11,519
it to people with different races or gender, whatever it

727
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:13,960
may be. The fact of at the end of the day,

728
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,119
you still need someone. You need someone to you know,

729
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:20,039
whether problems or work or something. Then day lost times

730
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,240
you still need people to help you or you know, friend,

731
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,279
love or whatever. But this is the thing of it

732
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:27,559
doesn't matter who they are. This is an entirely different

733
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:31,400
species that doesn't speak any language, but without like English language,

734
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:34,039
but without each other, they can't get this done. They

735
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,720
can't save each other's colonies. Right. So obviously on paper

736
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:40,599
it is oh Man with alien, But really I think

737
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,799
there is a deeper meaning thereof it's supposed to be

738
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:44,480
just in general, you've got to find a way to

739
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:47,640
work with your just fellow, whoever it is right of person,

740
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,400
because if they don't work together, if they are put

741
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,599
their nose of each other, or they're violent towards each other,

742
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,279
if fucking the second Rocky appeared and Gosam would just

743
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,440
shot him down, then he doesn't get any of this right.

744
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,160
He isn't I don't know if he ever goes home,

745
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,279
But still he'sn't saved Earth without Rocky and his technology, right.

746
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:07,480
So the idea is like, there could be so many

747
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,880
things that put you in so and apart, but you

748
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,160
gotta find a way to work together because people are

749
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,319
stronger together than they are separately, you know. So I

750
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,039
thought there was a good message they have and some

751
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:22,079
optimism them working together. So mm hmm, yeah, anything else

752
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:23,799
specifically on Rocky or anything like that.

753
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,599
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, What else do I have to say

754
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,599
about him?

755
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: No, I can't think of anything. He's just he's a

756
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,359
fantastic character.

757
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,519
Speaker 1: Can you guess what my favorite scene from this movie was?

758
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: Ooh, your favorite scene?

759
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you're gonna get it. I don't

760
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,759
think anyone else is gonna have this answer. Maybe they will,

761
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,039
but I don't think anything else will.

762
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,599
Speaker 2: I have to think about all the moments that you

763
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,240
were laughing that.

764
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:58,039
Speaker 1: It wasn't laugh No, I don't think I laughed that much.

765
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,559
But I'll give it to you because I'll say it's

766
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,720
tough because the entire third act, with the trying to

767
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,440
get the solution and the spaceship everything that is very intense.

768
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,440
Like I said, that moment where Gosson got for geled

769
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,920
propelled into the TV, I'm like, oh, damn, like that

770
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,719
that would look violent. He's trying to get thinks and

771
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,880
we rock went out. So maybe I'll say it's a

772
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,800
tie for now, but because that was such a big moment,

773
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,440
but the moment that really stow me in the film

774
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:21,599
because at that point it wigh like and don't get

775
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,039
me wrong, it's not bad glossing wakes up and he's

776
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:26,079
trying to figure out where he is. It's just pure

777
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,760
calmedy the whole time, which I think is good. Like

778
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,519
I said, I think on purpose. The characters are a

779
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,280
little annoying to the point where it's like, can realize

780
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,440
this person might annoy me. But it's like, Okay, I

781
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,639
get they're going for it. But lots of like physical

782
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,239
comedy of him trying to get in the suits, or

783
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,519
him like doing his hair, or the machines tacking him right.

784
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,239
So that's where I was like, you know, I wasn't worried,

785
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,119
but I was like, I don't know if I want

786
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,159
the whole film to be this for like in a

787
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,119
good way and bad way. It felt like some of

788
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,559
the live action Spider Verse stuff, Like it's felt like

789
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,119
a live action versions Spider Verse of when Miles going

790
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:57,519
to the high school and doing this and that. I

791
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,199
was like, Okay, I get the whole movies, especially because

792
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:01,480
I knew it was two and a half hours. Like

793
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,079
the whole movie is just a lot of Ryan Gosslin

794
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,000
be very charming, charismatic and do a lot of funny shit.

795
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:09,400
I was like, I don't know, but it's when he

796
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:12,039
had to do the funeral send off to those two astronauts.

797
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,079
That scene that got me. Yeah, that got me just because,

798
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:18,280
like I think it's because it was so early on

799
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,079
for him where he's still trying to figure out and

800
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,840
he doesn't know these people. And that's what made me worry,

801
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,920
is because he didn't know those people, I thought easily

802
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,719
that you could made that a very comedic scene, right,

803
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,360
Like there's some levity in it, but he's not making jokes.

804
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,320
He's not like making jokes at their expense or just

805
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,760
saying like, well, I don't know who you are, but

806
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,280
like like there's a version of that scene that someone

807
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,800
could have wrote to be like oh, just keep this

808
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,679
the same type of pace. It not like I'm a

809
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,079
bad guy, but a bit more joking. No, just him

810
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:48,119
talking about like just based off the photos of like oh,

811
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,559
in every photo made a funny face and that must

812
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:52,320
have just meant like you had a really like fun

813
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,719
spirit and people must have been liked around you. And

814
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,159
then when he's talking about the girls, like in all

815
00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:59,039
these photos, everyone just seems super happy around you, and

816
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,519
he's like you deserve and I'm gonna do And he's

817
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:03,760
trying to send me goa do my best and he

818
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,440
can't even finish it because he didn't even know if

819
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,599
he can do his best. This guy's so fucked. He's

820
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,079
just getting his memories back. He doesn't know what's going on.

821
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,440
He knows like something about the science, but he does

822
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:14,679
and even then, he's not a pilot. He can't do

823
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,280
what she does right. So it's like even if he

824
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,400
can get all his memories back and do his job,

825
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:22,840
that's where I love where he goes to promise that

826
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,199
he's gonna do his best and make their death worth it,

827
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,639
but he can't really like make that promise that moment

828
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:30,360
right because he doesn't even know if he can do that,

829
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,880
And then he starts to cry there and he sends

830
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,840
them off. So yeah, that was the moment I think

831
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,880
that locked me in the film, Like okay, good. There

832
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,400
is moments where it's just gonna lay out and be

833
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,239
very dramatic or emotional and not have to have and

834
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,199
like it's it's still like her. He says stuff, you know,

835
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,960
like maybe like little like jokes, just like funny anecdotes

836
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,559
about them, but it comes off of not only does

837
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:54,199
he feel like he's disappointing these people that's just like

838
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,119
he already found them dead. But that just feels like

839
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:59,159
he's like very alone now, you know, like he's alone alone,

840
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,639
like those bodies like good thing, they're still gonna get

841
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:04,199
decrepit and old. But no, there was just something about

842
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:06,920
that scene and Gossling's performance and it was just, man,

843
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,800
it just felt like he brought a lot of humanity

844
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,719
to this character that at the beginning I was worried

845
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,519
was gonna be very you know, I'm not gonna say

846
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:17,599
just over the top, because I don't think he's ever

847
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:20,480
over the top, but just very comedic. I was gonna

848
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,400
say ace Vent Cherry either, because remember that's what those

849
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,960
reports were back in the day of They're on solo movie.

850
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:27,599
I remember it was like, oh man, I'm too much

851
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:29,280
of ace Vent Schurre and you know what, I know

852
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,440
you like Solo, but after seeing this, I know, man,

853
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:34,960
Kathy and Company, I'm gonna say, you fucked up. I

854
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,360
would love to see that solo cut first, to see it,

855
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,239
you know, because I just feel like this movie, man,

856
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,360
it puts them on such a pedestal and it's like, man,

857
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,119
these guys at one point were directing a Star Wars

858
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,199
movie and they got fucking kicked off that production. You're

859
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,199
just like, man, I don't know, I don't know what's

860
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,199
going on over there. Like I watched this, I'm like,

861
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,599
could we get add something like this and starts? Obviously

862
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:55,559
we would not have been the same because it's not

863
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:57,440
based on that book, but just the talent there. So

864
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,679
but yeah, that was my favorite scene in this movie.

865
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 2: So no, I can get behind that. That was.

866
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: That was a good scene. It was, And I'm trying

867
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:06,679
to remember.

868
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:09,559
Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought there were four astronauts.

869
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,079
Speaker 1: That just makes me the book there was There might

870
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:12,880
have been four in the book.

871
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,199
Speaker 2: I can't remember.

872
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: Well, there was four technically because the two other died though, right,

873
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,199
I think in the explosion.

874
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: So the plan was three in the movie here, so

875
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:26,199
you had the pilot, you had the scientists, and then

876
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,400
I can't remember who the other lady was.

877
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,679
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't remember what she did, but like

878
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,960
the one she's like the walking maybe that that type

879
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,599
of stuff, right, like the whatever walking they called the

880
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,039
get the samples. I bet that was her role to

881
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:41,320
do that. And he would be piloting, right because it's

882
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,119
like the idea isn't for him to park it and

883
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,599
him go out there. I think the idea would be

884
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,320
for her to go out there and the pilot to

885
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:49,719
like help her out in the new right.

886
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there were the three and then you have, okay,

887
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,159
the one scientist. Now what's funny is they had the

888
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,039
three and then they had the three backups. And so

889
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:03,039
the main scientist, if I remember correctly in the book,

890
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,000
he started to sleep.

891
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: Around a lot with the backup scientist.

892
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,079
Speaker 3: And I don't remember them dying.

893
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: Maybe they did die. I think the book implied, at

894
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,119
least to me, that.

895
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:15,599
Speaker 3: They were going to run away because they fell in

896
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:17,039
love with each other and they didn't want to die

897
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:18,960
because they were just sleeping with each other like crazy.

898
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,519
And you get a wink of that here that they

899
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:23,679
were obviously really intimate. When Ryan Gosling leaves the party,

900
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,039
he's like, yeah, everyone's just hooking up and this h

901
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:26,440
and so.

902
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, they both.

903
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: Were doing experiments and I guess someone deposited the wrong

904
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,119
amount of astrophage and it just like boomed and they

905
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,639
then it killed them. But uh no, I like, I

906
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,840
like that because he builds a good relationship with with

907
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,000
them on the boat and whatnot. But then it turns

908
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:45,760
around when.

909
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:49,039
Speaker 2: He's he's not told the truth.

910
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,639
Speaker 3: Is not told to his comrades, and his comrades were

911
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,519
told like, oh yeah, you're just you know, you made

912
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:55,559
a decision to come aboard with us.

913
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:56,159
Speaker 2: This is great.

914
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:58,599
Speaker 3: Uh, and so they're not told that he was actually

915
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,159
uh taken against his will.

916
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:05,519
Speaker 1: I was wondering that because and I did like the

917
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:07,480
little friendship they had with the guy. I think his

918
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,719
name is Carl, right, Carl. Yeah, Like I love when

919
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,559
that's the last thing. Yeah, you're gonna do good, You'll

920
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,039
find a way. But I did like their little shopping

921
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,199
and that's where I liked their shot and Tripp and

922
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,039
then to a point where they're like playing bowling in

923
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:21,559
the act, like in the shopping think that's the stuff.

924
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:23,760
I'm like, okay, we're gonna that's the type of colony.

925
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,920
We're like, the world is literally fucking at stake right now,

926
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,880
like every moment counts. They just made such a big

927
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,079
thing of like we gotta get this. Any delays could

928
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:35,719
put us back so much. And here's Ryan Gossen fucking

929
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,039
around on home people. I get you, duty, levity and life,

930
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:41,199
but that was something he when we're like okay, that's

931
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:43,760
stuff that didn't love and because the joke wasn't like amazing.

932
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,760
But I like the relationship. I love the experiments in

933
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,280
the box, like Okay, put a box on a box

934
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,159
and all that stuff was good. So the little little

935
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,079
friend should be had there with Carl was good. But

936
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:54,519
that's good to know because I didn't know if those

937
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:56,719
other astronists are not knowing that he was put on

938
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,519
there against his will. Also, the movie doesn't clarify that,

939
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,119
just we just assumed, but it wouldn't matter because they died,

940
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:06,199
so it didn't really play into anything. Right, So yeah,

941
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:08,440
I got major plan on the apes flashbacks, so when

942
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,159
you opened that catainer and saw her, Yeah, So definitely

943
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,159
anything else specifically you want to shout out, And like

944
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,679
I said, I can't specifically shot up more. Maybe we won't,

945
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:21,639
Golden Geek, because I'm glad you talked about as your film.

946
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:24,400
I'm sure they'll see it at some point. I hope

947
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,599
I can twist Dale's arm to see this in theaters

948
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:28,559
because I don't know if it's gonna line up. But

949
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,320
I mean, Emily had some time on Sunday to trying

950
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,840
to do some stuff. I think I'm try and convince

951
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,000
her to go see this, but I want to see

952
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,880
it again an extreme. I want to actually go see

953
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:37,920
this film one more time. I think she enjoy it

954
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,719
and uh after I it was ended, It's like, you

955
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,159
know what, not many movies I can get to see

956
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,159
twice in a theater just because of time. This is

957
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,400
one that I think I want to see. But uh

958
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,440
so we'll talk about more. But yeah, i'll specific example

959
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:52,360
when we get there. But the score was really good. Also,

960
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:54,719
that guy has been I think we know both times

961
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,840
for Spider Birse, so he's a favored of ours. But yeah,

962
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,599
the score, like I said, just had a very good

963
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,679
variact to it. So mm hmm.

964
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's I'm with you. This is something I

965
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,360
want to see again. And yeah, the.

966
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: Score was was really really awesome.

967
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it.

968
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:14,199
Speaker 3: I guess I didn't highlight the scene that we didn't see.

969
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,039
You didn't get the scene in the book, and this

970
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:16,679
was extra.

971
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: I can't remem if I highlighted that the ending, right,

972
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,760
that's what you're talking about.

973
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:25,199
Speaker 3: I'm guessing when Stratt is on you see Earth, uh so,

974
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,239
oh in the boat on the.

975
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: Boat, that's the scene. Because you don't get to know. Yeah,

976
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:31,880
did I highlight it?

977
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: I came anyway you were you know, you were talking

978
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,039
about you didn't want to name the scene non spoys,

979
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:37,519
you were just saying a scene. I thought it was

980
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,000
going to be the scene with him on Rocky's planet.

981
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:43,079
I I thought when you're to I thought it ended

982
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:44,800
with him doing the hug, which the hug bit was

983
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,760
really good, that was like you earned it. But when

984
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,599
he saved them. I thought in the book it would

985
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,320
probably just cut to black and you don't see it.

986
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,920
I didn't know that in the book he does actually

987
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,320
go to Rocky's plan and he's teach stuff. That's awesome,

988
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,360
and that's that's great, and I love that he's kind

989
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,119
of still unsure if he wants to go back because

990
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,800
he's like tching this planet like that. They don't answer that.

991
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,800
When it's like, oh, well the ships could be raising,

992
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,079
He's like, well, let me think about and Rocky's like, yeah,

993
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,840
take your time to think about, right, because they seem

994
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,159
to like him there, and that whole planet was fucking weird.

995
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:12,000
They have the whole dome, they're outside the water, So

996
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:13,480
okay that that's in the book.

997
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: So eh, Yes, in the books they fabricate him his

998
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:20,800
own like ecological like habitat.

999
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: That he can he can live in, which.

1000
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: Is probably did save They're race, right, so he.

1001
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,639
Speaker 2: Did, Yeah, get him everything.

1002
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he becomes a teacher and he teaches the little

1003
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,039
Iridians on there in the end of the book, which

1004
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:34,440
is just like what a fucking twist from where we started.

1005
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: And I just I love that. I ate that up.

1006
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: But the thing that was not in the book was

1007
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,440
you don't know what happens to Well, all you know

1008
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,239
about what happens to Earth is that Rocky comes to

1009
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,440
Grace is like, hey, yep, so the test results are

1010
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,760
in and we see your your son has returned to

1011
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,039
normal levels and everything is back to normal. So they

1012
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:52,920
they got they they did what they were.

1013
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,519
Speaker 1: Supposed to do, and that's good. At least he gets

1014
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,079
to know that, he gets.

1015
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: To know that you never get to see the Earth,

1016
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,400
and so that was a really cool thing because all

1017
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,719
you can do and people have just been theorizing, like

1018
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,280
what goes what's going on at this point in Earth

1019
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,400
the stage because it would have been close to the

1020
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,480
thirty year mark where things are getting pretty bad, that

1021
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:15,800
the results would have came back to and reached the

1022
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,559
planet Earth. So to see Stratt on this ship and

1023
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,880
going through the water and then sure seeing Rocky and

1024
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,440
seeing the results on that.

1025
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,199
Speaker 2: Footage, I love that.

1026
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: That was why I really enjoyed that, And that's something

1027
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,079
I really wanted to know what the fallout would have

1028
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:35,239
been in the book. But I know that there's no

1029
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,840
there's no desire, I think from Andy to do a

1030
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,679
sequel or a follow up book. But I know that

1031
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,840
there were people on Reddit and they were asking him

1032
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,599
questions and whatnot, and he was talking about a follow

1033
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,639
up even though he's not you're not going to get.

1034
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: The follow up.

1035
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,679
Speaker 3: I'd be very surprised if you do, but you're not

1036
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:54,480
going to get it. But he was talking about ideas

1037
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,559
where I think you have North America kind of forming

1038
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,840
one unified thing, or like Canada kind of forming its

1039
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,119
own thing, and and things getting very tense, but like

1040
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:11,000
the political scale of the Earth shifts massively while they're

1041
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:15,199
waiting for the results to come back from from Grace.

1042
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,719
So it kind of would be a story that was

1043
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:22,280
focusing more on the Earth side of things during not after,

1044
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,519
but during the win for Grace. But again, these are

1045
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:29,480
things that that Andya just had like highlighted on on Reddit.

1046
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: I think you probably do like a short story that

1047
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:34,000
like a like a you know, a smaller story, Like

1048
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:35,559
I don't know how much choice there could be for

1049
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,360
because the whole tension is like what's gonna happen with

1050
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,519
Grace and Rocky? Right, so like that's right, Like it's

1051
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,480
just like the political stuff, which about saying could not

1052
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:45,320
be interesting. But to do like a whole book that

1053
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,920
might be not not like flying off the shelves, you know.

1054
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean I don't I don't need to have.

1055
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,719
As much as I would love a sequel, I just

1056
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,920
don't think there's there's enough for a sequel here. I

1057
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,320
think the best sequel is what you, as the reader

1058
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,360
and the viewer can piece together in your mind. I

1059
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,400
think that's great because it's just you can you sky's

1060
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,039
the limit at that point. And yeah, he's on a planet.

1061
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:12,519
He's teaching Iridians, which is hilarious, and it's either or

1062
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:14,440
if he does decide to go back to Earth, he

1063
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:15,559
has that option.

1064
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:17,599
Speaker 2: I thought in the book it was a.

1065
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:20,039
Speaker 3: Little bit longer, but maybe I'm mistaken because I think

1066
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:23,239
one of the biggest cons was he needed food and

1067
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,440
he wasn't able to he could stretch the food because

1068
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:34,239
Rocky helped create a replica food for him so that

1069
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,199
he could have the nutrients I guess. And so that

1070
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,079
was one of the things that he was living off

1071
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:43,320
of when he went in stayed on with Eridani, with

1072
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,760
Rocky and Rocky's people, was they were fabricating like a

1073
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,599
fake food alternative for him that would it was enough

1074
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,880
to sustain him so that he could actually live. I

1075
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,800
forgot about that part actually, So that was another cool

1076
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,440
little feature.

1077
00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,159
Speaker 2: But yeah, most of the things that they did.

1078
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,199
Speaker 3: It was like scene for scene pulled right out of

1079
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,639
the book, which is really quite enjoyable.

1080
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1081
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, nothing else to add then, Hm.

1082
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. Aside, like I already said,

1083
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,239
some parts seemed rushed the whole tamiba thing where he

1084
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,079
was trying to make the tamiba more nitrogen.

1085
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: Compatible. I believe Rocky was awake.

1086
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:30,679
Speaker 3: For that whole sequence in the book when they were

1087
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:33,920
trying to breed it so it was more resistance to

1088
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:37,320
nitrogen so it could sustain their atmospheres, because that's another thing.

1089
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,519
They hit a certain point where the tamoba could survive

1090
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:44,119
a certain degree of nitrogen and then that was suitable

1091
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:46,639
for Earth or I guess for.

1092
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,119
Speaker 2: Was it Venus.

1093
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:52,679
Speaker 3: I think they were going to Mercury or Venus was

1094
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,039
where our tomoba were going to. And then they had

1095
00:47:56,079 --> 00:48:00,639
to grow the tamoba a little bit more further to

1096
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:03,599
hit a certain nitrogen resistance level so they could survive

1097
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:08,119
in Rocky's solar system. And that was a little bit

1098
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:14,000
of an arc there too. But yeah, again, you don't

1099
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,679
need it in the In the movie, they cover it

1100
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,960
very briefly, and I'm glad that they did, just so

1101
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,480
people can understand, like, Okay, this is how it works.

1102
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,239
Because there's so many scientific terms that they're throwing around

1103
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,519
in this movie, but you don't got to be a

1104
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:27,199
scientist to follow along. For the most part, they do

1105
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,239
a good job at explaining it. Like when he's trying

1106
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,440
he's got the little like necklace orbs thing and he's like, oh,

1107
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:36,280
hang on, no, this is oxygen, and he takes his

1108
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,360
helmet off in the tunnel, which I thought that was great.

1109
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, that's a big ask, you know,

1110
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,519
if if.

1111
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: It's wrong, it goes really wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

1112
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:52,000
liked all that. Yeah, it was good stuff. So yeah, no,

1113
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,400
I think that I point out everything that I would

1114
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,079
be a point out the same stuff, but yeah, nothing

1115
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:58,760
else i'd point out. So yeah, I'm excited to talk

1116
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,840
about this again. I know we'll be talking about for

1117
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,320
Golden Kings. I definitely would have it and pretty much

1118
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,599
every category right now. I'd have it. Best Picture, I'd

1119
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:11,840
have it, best Actor, visual score. I don't know where.

1120
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,480
I don't know if Rocky can fit there. Maybe he

1121
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:16,320
could get in there supporting somewhere, but yeah, i'd have

1122
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,880
it in quite a few canategories. So yeah, no, definitely

1123
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,320
my favorite movie the year right now. That's a high bar. Set.

1124
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,079
Also got some good stuff coming up this year, but

1125
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:26,719
it's creative. The experience. We're blown away. Like I said,

1126
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,800
I want to get back and see it again. So yeah,

1127
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,800
so we will again, probably talk about the future here

1128
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,199
with the other geeks think about it. But until then,

1129
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,159
I'll love the boring by bye.