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Speaker 2: I'm joined by I am the Tamiba taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Austin, you can go back a couple of
days ago to hear our thoughts non spoilers. We both
did very much enjoy this film. I gave it a
ten tailor gave it a nine point five. We did
have some, you know, some points, some criticisms, some critiques,
things like that, oh see, I give it ten, but
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you said, that's where we talked about before, and that's
what I want to ask you. So in the book,
they do the back and forth as far as space
Earth space, Earth, space Earth.
Speaker 3: Right, they do, yeah, because that's how he's trying to remember, right,
how he gets to that point at the end when
he's with Rocky, he's like, Okay, I remember everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was crazy because I thought he would have
remembered it more by that point. Like the member is
a little selective, But I guess. I've never been in
a comato state for fourish years or whatever, so I guess.
Speaker 3: And that was intentional too. That wasn't the result of
the coma that he was in. Like they they they
drugged him so that he would be remembering over a
period of time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I think they mentioned that in the movie.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, they might have at some point, but yeah,
that's where So at first, so I wasn't sure how
the because I could have seen that being either way
in the book. As far as the beginning and how
it would have gone, I thought that worked out very well.
I thought the placement of when those scenes popped in
as far as oh, there's a big moment where him
and Rocky looked like they could die, and then we
cut to the beginning, you know, or at the beginning,
but him still trying to say if he's going to space,
I think they were placed pretty much to a perfect amount,
because I think some movies do that and they can
put the scenes in oh it's like okay, not unnecessary,
but we don't know where these are going, so just
put this here, or it's a scene where it kind
of kills the tension where you just want to get
back to the main stuff, right, because I think with
how it unfolded, especially with the story, I don't think
i'd want this in a chronological order. But at first
I was wondering, okay, why especially near the end when
it's still him decide its okay. Also, we know he's
going to space. But that's the big I guess. I
don't know if there's more Offsely, I imagine the biggest twist
is the fucking alien, but we all knew that going
into the movie because they showed that, and like I said,
he's I feel like Rocky appears in the first act.
I'm sure in the book it feels like it takes longer.
I feel like in the movie though, I know that's
a big thing, but I kind of get why they
showed him in marketing because it's not really that long
to you get to him. You know, It's like, I
get it. It would have been I guess that would
have been interesting how I would have felt watching the
movie not knowing it. But it didn't feel like it
took so long that it was like a big twist,
where like, oh my god, it is a big twist,
but it just it felt so early that that's why
it's a big part of the movie. They had to
do that. But to me, the big so obviously the
alien in there. For book readers, that's probably the big twists.
But the big twists, I'm sure for the people that
didn't see the trailers or you know, whatnot or the
other side of it is the that he didn't choose
to go on this mission because they set up that. Okay,
he's they set up. He's a teacher. He kind of
has like some uh, what do they call when you write,
like not an op ed but like what it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That okay, So he's kind of right. He wrote this
thing about how he views many like his theory is
there's lots of other plants in the world that might
not even need water, and how waters not actually needed,
which is great that he gets proved wrong, and you know,
first second act and he questions everything but the whole
in the earth stuff and we'll just cover that. That's
the built we'll talk about maybe chronological. That's the build
up towards. Okay. He meets the scientists, look at the name,
meets the scientist, meets the team, does the ex experiments,
goes deeper and deeper into Project Hill Mary and what
he can help with, and then about the thing. It's
like four three days before launch day, they're doing some
tests and the person that's like the scientists astronau pilot's
gonna go up. Of course, explosion happens. They decide you
got to go. But that's where I did not know
this part at all, and that's where I think was
the stronger aspect for it to me that they say, hey,
well you got three hours to sign and he's sitting
there and he's thinking, and then he's like, oh, well
you're gonna have a solution. She said, well, you're my solution,
and they go, oh, I just can't do it. And
then when the doors closed and the one door opens
and it's just a bunch of security officers and they
got needles and a bag and all this stuff like
their rages to take them and that's what they do.
Where that's where you think the memory works great. But this,
like to me, was so powerful where the whole movie
is making you believe this guy is a hero and
he still did this thing for the world when really
he didn't do it at like he did do but
I mean, like to sacrifice or volunteer himself. He did not.
He was chowing like he was against his will, and
she said like, hey, if you sit down, this will
go easier. But it was against his will. They drug him,
put him a coma, and just send him up there.
And I guess again because the drug but also just
because you're up there, you must think, Okay, I just
I'm fuzzy on this. I guess I'm up here with
my expertise. Won the great lines when he wakes up
and he says like, oh is this whatever? He's like,
am I smart? Like lots of the narration he has
to himself is great. But yeah, the idea that he
didn't choose the sacrifice and they made it for him,
that was a huge, huge character moment and a big
twist for myself.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and you know, people try to break that
down and think like, Okay, if if he was opted
not to go, and he was able to not go,
he would probably have regretted it and changed his mind
a few days later to go. And I think that's
something you see throughout the book where he's like, ah,
I can't offer much, I can't help, And this book
expedited that where Strat's like do you want to be
on the mission, He's like, yeah, I want to be
on the mission. I want to help research astrophage. And
so you see that in the book, a common reoccurrence
where he doesn't have that confidence at first, but he
turns around and then he's like yes, I actually can
do it. I want to do it, And so that
would have been the same application here with him, No
I don't want to go, but you know what, yes
I will go. Because earlier on and I thought we
would get that sequence where yes, he's teaching the students,
but he has a moment in the book where uh,
he's thinking in his head and here it was kind
of out loud, but in his mind in the book,
he's looking at his students and he's thinking like, oh man,
in thirty years, half of these students are going to
be dead. And he has that on his conscious and
so then he calls up Stratton's like, Okay, how can
I help. I'm gonna let me, let me work, let
me do some stuff here. But him him going and
being abducted. There's another may your part here that they
didn't use, and they didn't need to because that would
have made things a little bit more rushed. So you
have people that are trained for the mission, and when
they break down everyone on the planet who can qualify
for this, you have I'm just gonna throw a number
two thousand people that are trained as astronauts, pilots, everything
like that that can handle this type of journey.
Speaker 2: And they have to be.
Speaker 3: Fit and all that kind of stuff. The other thing, too,
is a medically induced coma, this process that they have
to put you into this kind of like the stasis.
You needed to have a special there's a certain genetic structure,
certain kind of thing that allows you to be compatible
with the procedure to go into this coma, and that
reduce the two thousand people down to like one hundred
on the planet. And so they did blood samples of
everyone and that's when they found out he was compatible
and he could do it.
Speaker 2: So he was then he was.
Speaker 3: The only legitimate option because he was compatible to go
in to the coma that they needed to put them
into this deep sleep so they could go on this
this extensive journey. So that was another thing that they
didn't include in there, which is fine because that would
have been at a whole other layer and rushed things
a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And you see, I yeah, I don't think I really
needed that because I think, even though I'm sure we
had these conversations all the time, feel might feel that
I think that made the government's choice not more selfish,
but a bit more devious, which it's could you argue
it's not devious because they're trying to say the world,
but it's still they're forced this guy against as will
right where if it's like you might find a solution,
her pitch was like, well yeah, but it's going to
delay us that more people will die. To me, I
kind of I like because if it's if it's he's
the only one, then the government take him is like,
well they have no other solution, you have like they
it's almost like you can't say the government's bad in
a way because they only have one motivation to do
this right where in this movie they still they do,
but it's still more because of a time error where
it's like, okay, we could train somebody to get but
they even said like that could bring us back like
thirty months or whatnot. Something gave out some number. So
I think one I didn't need that explanation, and two
I kind of like it because it makes the government
a bit more mischievous and something I think they would
do in real life, like, yeah, we could wait for
a solution, but we got this guy right now, so
let's send him up there so I can see that.
But I was happy with that choice and the other
reason why I was really happy at that choice, and
I'm awesome. I'm sure it's the same way in the book,
and we'll talk about the ending here in a bit.
But it's such a gratefull circle because if you think
he's just going up there to sacrifice himself, he's already brave.
That's why he gets multiple moments. Great scene with him
and Rocky. I know, I'm kind of jumping all over,
but it's all gonna interlink here. When he's kind of
given the explanation of what brave is and what the
sacrifice is, it's like, well, I'll just literally over a
few years and die. And when Rocky says like, oh
you know, I can. I saw my friends die slowly.
I don't want to see you die or know that
you die. I'll delay my trip six years back so
you can go back. When Gosling turns around that emotional
face because he was just going from very light heart
to help me that one. Oh yeah, so when he's
like it's kind of like lighthearted joke, but yeah, when
he turns around and this little Rocky alien has this
this moment that he can he'll put himself six years back.
He had to his home planet just to help this
guy out. Man, that's a great moment. And that's why
though it's also they bond and we're gonna talk about Rocky,
but it is to save a planet, right like in
it or error whatever the planet is Rocky's from, sure,
but in the movie it was just like E E
R I D.
Speaker 2: They were That was for short.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So but that's what's great, is sure he
the idea is to I'll tie it back here in
a second with the decision for the government. Right. But
at one point they find out, okay, the things the
what are they called again, the timbara or to whatever
astrophage or the tamba, the tamiba, thank you, So the
tamiva they thought are gone. While he's going back, there's
a release and he finds out that these things kind
of eat through the materials that Rocky was using. So
obviously Gostling has other materials to lock these things in
so he can send them back to Earth. He's good
to go. But the problem is Rocky ship is just
made of nothing but that material, right, So what I
took from is just gonna eat through it. It's gonna
either kill him by like he said, slowly, radiation, all
this type of stuff, right, So this is not good
for a ship. So he has to decide he's been
given the whatever it was to go back. He's Brian
Goslin's gonna get home, so he could go back to Earth.
But now he has to make the decision where he
can either. He can't do both. He can't go back
to Earth with the cure. I'll just call it the
cure because I'm gonna fuck up the tea word over
time with the cure with a solution. He can't go
back to Earth with a solution, and Rocky also go back.
He either he has to go back and save Rocky
or he has to go back to Earth by himself
and let Rocky die. And of course he's doing that
to save the planet, right, But that's not what in
that moment, he's not talking about that. He's talking about Rocky.
And that's where it's great. Where in the flashbacks, you
know whatever, they're not flashbacks, they're all but in the flashbacks,
he decides not to go right, he says, you can
find someone. I'm just not ready for this, and they
drug them, they send him. He would not leave the
planet to save the entire planet, even though they say, hey,
you're our best bet right now, seven eight billion whatever
it is in this book or movie, he didn't leave
the planet to save those people. He was forced to,
but he didn't do that right, and like you said,
maybe it would have changed my mind, regret it. But
still in the moment he shows, hey, I'm not gonna
go where this time to sacrifice himself. Sure he's saving
another planet, but he's really just going for one guy,
you know, Like that's what he's all focused about, is Rocky,
Rocky Rocky. They even say that, right, like the scientists
to him on Earth is like you have no close family,
You have no wife, no kids, you don't even have
a dog, Like you're a perfect can to go like
kind of sad, like you have no one right. And
that's where it shows again with that optimism where this
guy doesn't really have been close friends, has made close
friends with this alien and he's willing because Rocky was
willing to ghep some this time, he's willing to sacrifice
himself to get back just to make sure that Rocky
not gonna die. I know. Again, people will make the
case of oh well, it's also another plan line. I
get that, but to me, it was more like on Earth,
he wasn't even willing to sacrifice himself for an entire planet. Now,
because this journey is bonding with Rocky, he'll sacrifice himself
just for this one fucking alien dude pretty much right,
just to make sure he's okay. So that's why it's
like such a grateful circle, because if he's a hero
that leaves for Earth, it's like, well, yeah, of course
he was already in a die. He was close with Rocky.
Of course he would do this right, but him kind
of being a coward and not going makes it just
that much better. And how close he is with Rocky.
So I loved all those choices to do with the
decision not to go, sending him the decision of oh shit,
this thing is leaking. It's gonna kill Rocky. I got
a link back. Does he link up a little bit
easy with Rocky? Yeah? I think so. I don't know
if that space would work out when they show the
map of how he would bounce from there to there,
But I'm a fucking dummy, so all the science stuff,
I'm sure it works out there, But yeah, what are
you obviously you've read this before, but what are you
thinking about How they portrayed all this stuff in the
film of him not being sent and obviously talked about
the test, so that was different, but then going with
Rocky intersecting them all that type of stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, I really wanted to see him get back
to Earth and just catch everyone off Garba, like, how
you're not supposed to be able to make it back
to Earth. How did you make it back to Earth?
And the fall out of that conversation, what Earth looks like?
You found an alien out there?
Speaker 2: All of this stuff. There's just so many things that
I really wanted to see.
Speaker 1: But I love the.
Speaker 3: Idea that he opted to He opted to go and
save Rocky, and even though yes, he couldn't remember everything,
he still was just inherently, inherently a good person because
he just figured out what he had to do and
he started doing it and started working, and even as
he started to remember, he was still doing what he
knew he needed to do. And I think that that's
just that speaks volumes to his character. And you again,
it's not without tribulations or obviously, like right after he
remembers how he was sent up here, against his own will.
He's having a moment where he's just like upset but
everything where you get that that sequence where he's just
and he he calls himself on it because Rocky's like,
what was all that stuff about you being.
Speaker 2: You know, brave and accepting it?
Speaker 3: What He's like, I was just saying shit, yeah, because
it's just filler. But when he turns around and Rocky's like,
I give you, you know, some of my fuel and whatnot,
and Gozzling turns around, it's all Gosling in that moment.
The emotion on his face, it just it makes you
feel like tears in your eyes, Like it hit me
because he's just you feel that little bit of hope
and it's just I'm sure everyone everyone on this planet
has had a moment where you just feel like the
odds are stacked against you.
Speaker 2: You feel hopeless, you feel.
Speaker 3: Like depressed, something something, but you have that little just
moment of reprieve or happiness that just alleviates everything because
of the kindness of someone else, and it just brings
you to like tears immediately. And that's what he had,
and he just did such a good job delivering that
in the scene and shout out to this. So the
guy that was the puppeteer for Rocky was the voice
of Rocky as well, which I'm really happy with that.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's an awesome little thing.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah. No, I was just looking into right
now because I just want to see how much was
on set, and obviously if they got the puppeteer, there's
a lot and that's where true, that's where I will sit.
So I'll give the guy a lot of credit too,
because I guarantee there is still some scenes where he
like especially I'm sure some of the scenes were Rocky
is like getting thrown around a move like he's acting
with I'm sure a CGI something or whatnot. Right. So again, still, though,
the way Mark Hamill got so much credit for Empire
strikes back because it's the same thing anyone said everyone
said back then, right, which Georgie because even said about Charger,
and it proved to be the case when saying if
Jorgia doesn't work, this whole movie doesn't work. And for
me it's like, well, yeah, there's all the things I
don't work a fan mass, but Yoda was that original test,
Like I have think more, but I think Yoda was
prett in the major pulp culture. That was the first
test of if Yoda doesn't work in this Dagaba stuff,
this movie's gonna fucking suck big time. And if Mark
Hamill doesn't work, it's gonna suck big time. Right, And
it's the same thing as a puppet. So sure of
course there's a guy there. They're doing the voice, doing
the liners, but you're still having to act towards just
this thing that you You have an extra level of
believing it's real when someone's in front of you and
you're doing that, even if it's green screens, like I
can at least play off that person. This is you are.
It's like credit to like even more so some or
not more so, the same level of like, uh, even
though I was gonna say, like you talk Elijah and
Sean Ashton with Gallam. But at the same time, it's
still like Andy serkis doing the faces and stuff right,
where like Rocky's still just like it's just a puppet
that also a puppet that has really no face. So
it's not like, oh, we're gonna we're gonna animatronic that's
gonna wink at you and new move its mouth. It's like, no,
it's just like this rock puppet things. That's where it's
just like an extra level of what Gossling really has
to do to It's not even like imagine if the
movie was good and Gossing was just like good enough,
like okay, yeah he did good Joe the puppet, that
must have been difficult. Good for him. This is like
he was above and beyond. It was like matching all
the stuff you would do in other movies, right, which
is not an easy task. So no, I think that
stuff was all great. Rocky was and the same thing.
That's the biggest thing that I send nonspoils. But it's
the same thing here. If Rocky doesn't work, this whole
movie is over because it's and that's where it's different
than the Martian, right, because Marsian you have Matt Damon,
then you have the people on Earth. Matt Damon's gonna work.
Ause Matt Damon's great and he's charismatic and it's like, hey,
you put him in the room and he just talks
to cameras, you're fine. But with this Rocky thing, if
this thing is cheesy or comes off as lame or
doesn't work, and we've seen like, it's not like this
is anything new. Right, If people I'm not sure, well,
when did I don't think it's start? When did Project
hill Mary is a book come out in the two thousands?
Speaker 3: Right, I'd say, oh, good thing, I got the book
right here, and I can look at this date on
the back, uh.
Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna say the two thousand, But I'm not sure.
I'd just be speaking in my ass. So that's why
I don't want to speaking out of the ass. Where
is the data here? I probably should have just searched us.
I feel like I could have found it faster, but.
Speaker 3: You could find it faster.
Speaker 2: There's so many pages in this.
Speaker 1: Book, book release date. Let's see the book came out
in twenty twenty one, only holy shit.
Speaker 2: Really fucking recently in May, so it's not even.
Speaker 1: Five years old. So my point is the way that
and it's fine because people always inspire, take new adaptation, story, whatever,
But the same way Avatar people go, oh Avatar, it's
dances with wolves or it's fern Gully, right, this is like,
this isn't any different than fucking grogu. This is a
care like we how many times in movies TV shows,
have we seen human character meets alien or some object
moons or whatever. They can't speak and they find a
way to talk and dialogue and it is you know,
cute or funny or charming and whatnot. It's been done before,
but I'm just saying this is definitely one of those
best iterations of it. And it's also been done to
a point where it's not good. So it's the thing
of It's not like reinventing the wheel. It's just making
a very good wheel with Rocky. And as far as
how you go from the okay to being scared as
an alien, to learning to communicate via silent language or
tapping to the language, to all the little beats of
you know, Rocky saying a lot of stuff backwards like
bump fist and time go. You know, like, there's lots
of good moments you do. And I think that is
the best part with and that helped with Grogu too.
Also being practical, with Rocky being practical a lot of times,
or if there were effects around them looking good it
is that helps with the believability because it is a
very looking cgi thing. With Ryan Gossling, it will check
you out a little bit right. But I think they
did a fantastic job with Rocky the comedic because yeah,
that actor, because I was trying the whole place to
try and get the voice, and at times I thought
it was Rain Wilson. Was like, no, I don't think
it's the Rain Wilson. But the actor did such a
good job as well there too. It was something you
were cheering for to the point of man, when that
moment when things are crashing, that was a big shocking scene.
When it looks like it's going good all that that
was good because I didn't really think Gossing was ever
gonna bite it. I thought it was gonna be happy ending.
So when he's on the space walk, he's trying to
get all the solution, the tumble eye or whatever, and
it's flipping around. He's getting him like heay, he's gonna
make it. Still very intense scene, well shot beautiful look
and see all the space that's beautiful. But then he
gets in and the fuel tanks for twelve and eleven
around fire stats to release him. That moment where the
chair just gets hit and he just goes like face
first in the monitor. That's the only time I thought, oh, man,
he's not gonna make it like he's just gonna like
electrified here, but like he gets hit and Rocky gets thrown,
and then it leads this whole sequence of Rocky can
add the chamber and pulling him out, and Gosling's gonna
put into like a little mini coma as he watches
Rocky just like he's melting his like rock skin or whatever,
because the atmosphere and then when he finds it, like
the little clumps of Rocky and Rocky's somewhat alive, it
looks like coma. All that stuff was great and you're
you're rooting for it and you're on pins and eels.
I like I said, I didn't think I think Gossling
was gonna die, but I was. I did think they
were going for a Rocky and I'm finally they didn't
because it leads to supple talk about the ending. But
they did have me there, and I think that was
the same thing for pacing wise, I think that went
on too long to make me go, Okay, Rocky's coming back.
I think they should have shortened some of the montage
of him talk. It's the tough thing is it's all
tough of him talking to him, giving like the get
well cards and everything. But the longer it went on,
I didn't think, like, we're gonna have five minutes of
gossling missing Rocky and then he's just gonna die, you know.
So that's one thing I would for the intensity, I
would have took it up a little bit to think like, oh,
maybe he's not gonna make it again. These are little critiques,
but I think they did a overall just phenomenal job
with the presentation, the look, the sound, the feel, everything
in the build up towards Rocky. Even though I know
that was a big pin point of contention for you
for the like revealing that and getting out there because
I imagine the book, Yeah, that must have been something big.
But at the same point, this being such a big
plot point in the movie and they still got to
make a profit, want to be successful. That's why they
showed it. But yeah, how did you as a book reader, Phil,
they represent Rocky in this movie.
Speaker 3: I think they did a good job because it's one
of those things where it's I didn't have any idea
what this guy was looking like. I mean, they detail
it obviously in the movie, but it's again something that's
I'm trying to wrap my head around. And yeah, and picture,
but no, I like how they detailed him. I liked
how they kept it practical, puppeteering him. Everything like that
was great and they really captured that dynamic and that
element of him communicating and Rocky as a character. I
would have liked to have seen Rocky building a little
bit more because that was one of the highlights in
the book, was just him as his builder.
Speaker 1: I can see what it might be tougher doing the
puppeteering thing, right, that's when you might get into more
cgi Rocky and you probably want to like stay clear
of that. Not looking good. So yeah, and he tells
me the middle thing, I build it. He says, it's wrong.
That line was fucking That was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really good.
Speaker 3: You do get a sequence of him doing some building,
which was really enjoyable.
Speaker 2: But yeah, everything with the character I really really liked.
And he's it is it is. I'm glad.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that they addressed how he stays alive because
he was in the an engineering part of the ship
his ship where the astrophage was blocking the radiation, so
he didn't die, but all of his crew did. But
I think remember in the book, he was floating around
that star system for a few years, so he was
definitely there for a while. He didn't just get there.
And then what was the other thing to getting makes sense?
Speaker 1: Like he got say like Gossling, same thing. Something happened.
I can't remember what they explained. They gave some other
science Chargonhall. Gossling survived and the other people didn't. So
again like similar patterns, right, I think he lost their
crew and they didn't have anything to do with it.
Speaker 2: It was just right in the book.
Speaker 3: I think it was limitations on the machines couldn't conduct
like surgery if there was anything they needed to be done.
So I think if there was any serious medical stuff,
the machines are just there to keep you alive and
tend to you, but they're not there to perform certain
things like you need a doctor to do. A machine
can't diagnose you on this ship. A doctor diagnoses and
then would treat you. So the machines just treat you,
but they can't treat you because they can't diagnose you.
Speaker 2: Right, So that was the fallbacks.
Speaker 3: But that was not the cool thing I liked about
the ship because they had to, and they highlighted that
in the movie. They have all the technology, but then
you can't just make all the technology work in zero gravity.
You have to reinvent the technology for zero gravity. But
it's like, well, that would take years and years and
years to reinvent everything for zero gs. So no, we'll
just create a ship that has that centrifugeon creates artificial
gravity and then you don't have to worry about it
that you can just use the equipment normally. But anyways,
back to Rocky, Yeah, no, he's just he's so optimistic
and positive and I absolutely love this character. When they
introduced him in the book, he was just such a
delight and I really really was rooting for him, and
I just think he really meshes well with Grace's character,
and again because I just think they're both well Rocky
he's a great at building, he's an engineer, but he
also has such a great degree of intelligence.
Speaker 2: And I also like too that, Okay, well, his species.
Speaker 3: Has accomplished space travel and they've accomplished the ability to
do wondrous things.
Speaker 2: They are not one, you know, at the top of
the line.
Speaker 3: When it comes to the space stuff, because you obviously
have you have the dilemma of the radiation with the ship,
and there's certain things that elude them that they're not
fully aware of, which I like, you know, just like
humans aren't fully aware of everything. But I like that
degree of development too, where okay, humans they prep the
ship with the beatles and all these contingencies and all
these different things.
Speaker 2: But it's just it's it's interesting to see that to.
Speaker 3: Cultures and civilizations clash and Rocky getting super excited about
having a laptop filled with all human knowledge. Because that
was one other thing too that they gave. They gave
Grace this the every book and archive of human knowledge
imaginable and planet Earth that he had access to in
his ship. That's that was something that they deposited in
there for him, which is pretty good.
Speaker 1: Do you think on that? On that which I really liked,
the room that had all the screens so they could
you know, reminisce with the trees and the lake and everything.
That was great. The thing they had porn on there
for them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he had Rocky on there. He had porn
on there.
Speaker 3: This this is what we do on our how we
made Yeah, you know, one of the other things with
Rocky though that I wish they included was when Grace
went back to the blip a after he figured out
how the to me, but could basically go through excuse me,
you go through the the I can't remember. It's called
the zenanit or the material basically, so it can basically
go through the entire ship of Blipping Rocky ship. So
when Grace goes back and catches up to the ship,
the ship is like dark and desolate, and he pulls
up and he connects to it and he creeps in
there and he's like asking, like Rocky, Rocky, where are you?
Speaker 1: Which you got a little bit of that.
Speaker 3: But when Rocky shows up, he's coated in astrophage head
to toe, like he just he's you can tell, like,
it's fucking depressing. He you thought he was doomed and
he had no idea what was going on. But in
here he just crawls down the tunnel and it's it's
all fine. I would have love to have seen it,
and I think that would have just been an extra
emotional tick to see him actually be super stressed and
just think, oh my god, because now he has the
reverse where Grace was tearing up with the fact that
he's going to get to go home and have that fuel.
But now here you have Rocky thinking he was done,
but now he's here, and that is enclosing. That's for me,
one of the highlights is that Grace came back and
he saved this entire species, and it was just so hopeful.
Speaker 1: With the book, though, do you have that moment where
Rocky's kind of comatose and injured and everything.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: I think that's the only reason why they didn't do
in the film is because I think with the book
you have probably longer pacing in the film because they
just had Rocky, you know, go through the experience come
out alive. I think they probably, with it being so close,
didn't want to have Rocky again, like Kurt, like, they
kind of did that beat right where in a book
you probably could spread out longer of Oh, you're gonna
have that moment, but it's you're gonna get more time
we're in the movie. That's why I'd says, well, we
just got Rocky at the thing, let's not put him
in too much peril. I think they kind of I
agree with you, that could have been a good moment.
I bet that's just why they did it is because
maybe it's too similar, too soon. But I think even
to try to invoke that moment a little bit, them
just having Rocky not come right away kind of still
did like Okay, again, I didn't think he was dead.
I thought he was kind of safe there, but like, okay,
what's happening. Something's going on there. But that's something you touched.
You might have touchedupon. I had to step up to
ten of some twins. But if you didn't, That's why
I loved is. It wasn't just like Ryan Goslin doesn't
know what to do and this alien provides everything. It
was them literally working together as scientists. Right. There's a
great moment where when they Rocky figured out like life
is the answer or whatever the phrase is, and they
figure out pretty much like whatever's on this planet, it's
creating life. And that's a preterran. It's almost like at
a anti like oxen Gin or something like that, where
it's like anytime this you know, these ray of living
bacterias coming down and just they're getting ate up right,
So it's like in the O zone, it's just like gone,
That's what I believe. I'm sure there's some science jargon,
but that's why I love he's acting like a scientist
when he's like life is the answer, Life is the answer,
and he's running and Gospil like, what are you talking about?
Like it feels very much like if someone's having that
epiphany or they've made this great discovery. Right. So it's
where I felt that Rocky still was alien enough, but
so human qualities where they could connect, but also human
qualities you probably picked up from Gossling. But that's what
I liked on scientific level, that it was, Okay, Rocky's
done X and Z all, but Goslin kind of has
this little thing and that helps or Gosten does X,
Y and Z and that helps Rocky. You know, again,
we have all in the human world. We only have
enough to get you there, you know, two million of whatever.
That's it. Where what the technology with Rocky has, Well,
I can get you back there. You know, it's gonna
make me a little slower, but I can get you
back there where vice versa. Gosling had that material it
ate up, but then he had other material to keep
the solution right. Where Rocky does it. All his stuff
is based in that way. So that's where I thought
it was multiple times they use each other's solutions and
ways to save each other. So that's where it just
it felt very equal, where it didn't just feel like, oh, oh,
powerful alien saves a human and they couldn't have done it,
you know, It's like they couldn't have done it without
each other. It's not just one or the other. And
I guess that's a hope again, a hopeful message, like
you talked about is when we talk all the time.
I'm sure you talk about clues made times and we
talked about a few times in bread Butter's or random newscasts,
but the ideas of aliens in that outer life form
and like if they were to land or weird to
meet them, what would be like? Right? And I think
this is hopefully trying to be a good message, and
you can even apply to anything, right, You can apply
it to people with different races or gender, whatever it
may be. The fact of at the end of the day,
you still need someone. You need someone to you know,
whether problems or work or something. Then day lost times
you still need people to help you or you know, friend,
love or whatever. But this is the thing of it
doesn't matter who they are. This is an entirely different
species that doesn't speak any language, but without like English language,
but without each other, they can't get this done. They
can't save each other's colonies. Right. So obviously on paper
it is oh Man with alien, But really I think
there is a deeper meaning thereof it's supposed to be
just in general, you've got to find a way to
work with your just fellow, whoever it is right of person,
because if they don't work together, if they are put
their nose of each other, or they're violent towards each other,
if fucking the second Rocky appeared and Gosam would just
shot him down, then he doesn't get any of this right.
He isn't I don't know if he ever goes home,
But still he'sn't saved Earth without Rocky and his technology, right.
So the idea is like, there could be so many
things that put you in so and apart, but you
gotta find a way to work together because people are
stronger together than they are separately, you know. So I
thought there was a good message they have and some
optimism them working together. So mm hmm, yeah, anything else
specifically on Rocky or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, What else do I have to say
about him?
Speaker 2: No, I can't think of anything. He's just he's a
fantastic character.
Speaker 1: Can you guess what my favorite scene from this movie was?
Speaker 2: Ooh, your favorite scene?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you're gonna get it. I don't
think anyone else is gonna have this answer. Maybe they will,
but I don't think anything else will.
Speaker 2: I have to think about all the moments that you
were laughing that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't laugh No, I don't think I laughed that much.
But I'll give it to you because I'll say it's
tough because the entire third act, with the trying to
get the solution and the spaceship everything that is very intense.
Like I said, that moment where Gosson got for geled
propelled into the TV, I'm like, oh, damn, like that
that would look violent. He's trying to get thinks and
we rock went out. So maybe I'll say it's a
tie for now, but because that was such a big moment,
but the moment that really stow me in the film
because at that point it wigh like and don't get
me wrong, it's not bad glossing wakes up and he's
trying to figure out where he is. It's just pure
calmedy the whole time, which I think is good. Like
I said, I think on purpose. The characters are a
little annoying to the point where it's like, can realize
this person might annoy me. But it's like, Okay, I
get they're going for it. But lots of like physical
comedy of him trying to get in the suits, or
him like doing his hair, or the machines tacking him right.
So that's where I was like, you know, I wasn't worried,
but I was like, I don't know if I want
the whole film to be this for like in a
good way and bad way. It felt like some of
the live action Spider Verse stuff, Like it's felt like
a live action versions Spider Verse of when Miles going
to the high school and doing this and that. I
was like, Okay, I get the whole movies, especially because
I knew it was two and a half hours. Like
the whole movie is just a lot of Ryan Gosslin
be very charming, charismatic and do a lot of funny shit.
I was like, I don't know, but it's when he
had to do the funeral send off to those two astronauts.
That scene that got me. Yeah, that got me just because,
like I think it's because it was so early on
for him where he's still trying to figure out and
he doesn't know these people. And that's what made me worry,
is because he didn't know those people, I thought easily
that you could made that a very comedic scene, right,
Like there's some levity in it, but he's not making jokes.
He's not like making jokes at their expense or just
saying like, well, I don't know who you are, but
like like there's a version of that scene that someone
could have wrote to be like oh, just keep this
the same type of pace. It not like I'm a
bad guy, but a bit more joking. No, just him
talking about like just based off the photos of like oh,
in every photo made a funny face and that must
have just meant like you had a really like fun
spirit and people must have been liked around you. And
then when he's talking about the girls, like in all
these photos, everyone just seems super happy around you, and
he's like you deserve and I'm gonna do And he's
trying to send me goa do my best and he
can't even finish it because he didn't even know if
he can do his best. This guy's so fucked. He's
just getting his memories back. He doesn't know what's going on.
He knows like something about the science, but he does
and even then, he's not a pilot. He can't do
what she does right. So it's like even if he
can get all his memories back and do his job,
that's where I love where he goes to promise that
he's gonna do his best and make their death worth it,
but he can't really like make that promise that moment
right because he doesn't even know if he can do that,
And then he starts to cry there and he sends
them off. So yeah, that was the moment I think
that locked me in the film, Like okay, good. There
is moments where it's just gonna lay out and be
very dramatic or emotional and not have to have and
like it's it's still like her. He says stuff, you know,
like maybe like little like jokes, just like funny anecdotes
about them, but it comes off of not only does
he feel like he's disappointing these people that's just like
he already found them dead. But that just feels like
he's like very alone now, you know, like he's alone alone,
like those bodies like good thing, they're still gonna get
decrepit and old. But no, there was just something about
that scene and Gossling's performance and it was just, man,
it just felt like he brought a lot of humanity
to this character that at the beginning I was worried
was gonna be very you know, I'm not gonna say
just over the top, because I don't think he's ever
over the top, but just very comedic. I was gonna
say ace Vent Cherry either, because remember that's what those
reports were back in the day of They're on solo movie.
I remember it was like, oh man, I'm too much
of ace Vent Schurre and you know what, I know
you like Solo, but after seeing this, I know, man,
Kathy and Company, I'm gonna say, you fucked up. I
would love to see that solo cut first, to see it,
you know, because I just feel like this movie, man,
it puts them on such a pedestal and it's like, man,
these guys at one point were directing a Star Wars
movie and they got fucking kicked off that production. You're
just like, man, I don't know, I don't know what's
going on over there. Like I watched this, I'm like,
could we get add something like this and starts? Obviously
we would not have been the same because it's not
based on that book, but just the talent there. So
but yeah, that was my favorite scene in this movie.
Speaker 2: So no, I can get behind that. That was.
Speaker 3: That was a good scene. It was, And I'm trying
to remember.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought there were four astronauts.
Speaker 1: That just makes me the book there was There might
have been four in the book.
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Well, there was four technically because the two other died though, right,
I think in the explosion.
Speaker 3: So the plan was three in the movie here, so
you had the pilot, you had the scientists, and then
I can't remember who the other lady was.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't remember what she did, but like
the one she's like the walking maybe that that type
of stuff, right, like the whatever walking they called the
get the samples. I bet that was her role to
do that. And he would be piloting, right because it's
like the idea isn't for him to park it and
him go out there. I think the idea would be
for her to go out there and the pilot to
like help her out in the new right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there were the three and then you have, okay,
the one scientist. Now what's funny is they had the
three and then they had the three backups. And so
the main scientist, if I remember correctly in the book,
he started to sleep.
Speaker 2: Around a lot with the backup scientist.
Speaker 3: And I don't remember them dying.
Speaker 2: Maybe they did die. I think the book implied, at
least to me, that.
Speaker 3: They were going to run away because they fell in
love with each other and they didn't want to die
because they were just sleeping with each other like crazy.
And you get a wink of that here that they
were obviously really intimate. When Ryan Gosling leaves the party,
he's like, yeah, everyone's just hooking up and this h
and so.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they both.
Speaker 3: Were doing experiments and I guess someone deposited the wrong
amount of astrophage and it just like boomed and they
then it killed them. But uh no, I like, I
like that because he builds a good relationship with with
them on the boat and whatnot. But then it turns
around when.
Speaker 2: He's he's not told the truth.
Speaker 3: Is not told to his comrades, and his comrades were
told like, oh yeah, you're just you know, you made
a decision to come aboard with us.
Speaker 2: This is great.
Speaker 3: Uh, and so they're not told that he was actually
uh taken against his will.
Speaker 1: I was wondering that because and I did like the
little friendship they had with the guy. I think his
name is Carl, right, Carl. Yeah, Like I love when
that's the last thing. Yeah, you're gonna do good, You'll
find a way. But I did like their little shopping
and that's where I liked their shot and Tripp and
then to a point where they're like playing bowling in
the act, like in the shopping think that's the stuff.
I'm like, okay, we're gonna that's the type of colony.
We're like, the world is literally fucking at stake right now,
like every moment counts. They just made such a big
thing of like we gotta get this. Any delays could
put us back so much. And here's Ryan Gossen fucking
around on home people. I get you, duty, levity and life,
but that was something he when we're like okay, that's
stuff that didn't love and because the joke wasn't like amazing.
But I like the relationship. I love the experiments in
the box, like Okay, put a box on a box
and all that stuff was good. So the little little
friend should be had there with Carl was good. But
that's good to know because I didn't know if those
other astronists are not knowing that he was put on
there against his will. Also, the movie doesn't clarify that,
just we just assumed, but it wouldn't matter because they died,
so it didn't really play into anything. Right, So yeah,
I got major plan on the apes flashbacks, so when
you opened that catainer and saw her, Yeah, So definitely
anything else specifically you want to shout out, And like
I said, I can't specifically shot up more. Maybe we won't,
Golden Geek, because I'm glad you talked about as your film.
I'm sure they'll see it at some point. I hope
I can twist Dale's arm to see this in theaters
because I don't know if it's gonna line up. But
I mean, Emily had some time on Sunday to trying
to do some stuff. I think I'm try and convince
her to go see this, but I want to see
it again an extreme. I want to actually go see
this film one more time. I think she enjoy it
and uh after I it was ended, It's like, you
know what, not many movies I can get to see
twice in a theater just because of time. This is
one that I think I want to see. But uh
so we'll talk about more. But yeah, i'll specific example
when we get there. But the score was really good. Also,
that guy has been I think we know both times
for Spider Birse, so he's a favored of ours. But yeah,
the score, like I said, just had a very good
variact to it. So mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's I'm with you. This is something I
want to see again. And yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Score was was really really awesome.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I guess I didn't highlight the scene that we didn't see.
You didn't get the scene in the book, and this
was extra.
Speaker 1: I can't remem if I highlighted that the ending, right,
that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing when Stratt is on you see Earth, uh so,
oh in the boat on the.
Speaker 2: Boat, that's the scene. Because you don't get to know. Yeah,
did I highlight it?
Speaker 1: I came anyway you were you know, you were talking
about you didn't want to name the scene non spoys,
you were just saying a scene. I thought it was
going to be the scene with him on Rocky's planet.
I I thought when you're to I thought it ended
with him doing the hug, which the hug bit was
really good, that was like you earned it. But when
he saved them. I thought in the book it would
probably just cut to black and you don't see it.
I didn't know that in the book he does actually
go to Rocky's plan and he's teach stuff. That's awesome,
and that's that's great, and I love that he's kind
of still unsure if he wants to go back because
he's like tching this planet like that. They don't answer that.
When it's like, oh, well the ships could be raising,
He's like, well, let me think about and Rocky's like, yeah,
take your time to think about, right, because they seem
to like him there, and that whole planet was fucking weird.
They have the whole dome, they're outside the water, So
okay that that's in the book.
Speaker 3: So eh, Yes, in the books they fabricate him his
own like ecological like habitat.
Speaker 2: That he can he can live in, which.
Speaker 1: Is probably did save They're race, right, so he.
Speaker 2: Did, Yeah, get him everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he becomes a teacher and he teaches the little
Iridians on there in the end of the book, which
is just like what a fucking twist from where we started.
Speaker 2: And I just I love that. I ate that up.
Speaker 3: But the thing that was not in the book was
you don't know what happens to Well, all you know
about what happens to Earth is that Rocky comes to
Grace is like, hey, yep, so the test results are
in and we see your your son has returned to
normal levels and everything is back to normal. So they
they got they they did what they were.
Speaker 1: Supposed to do, and that's good. At least he gets
to know that, he gets.
Speaker 3: To know that you never get to see the Earth,
and so that was a really cool thing because all
you can do and people have just been theorizing, like
what goes what's going on at this point in Earth
the stage because it would have been close to the
thirty year mark where things are getting pretty bad, that
the results would have came back to and reached the
planet Earth. So to see Stratt on this ship and
going through the water and then sure seeing Rocky and
seeing the results on that.
Speaker 2: Footage, I love that.
Speaker 3: That was why I really enjoyed that, And that's something
I really wanted to know what the fallout would have
been in the book. But I know that there's no
there's no desire, I think from Andy to do a
sequel or a follow up book. But I know that
there were people on Reddit and they were asking him
questions and whatnot, and he was talking about a follow
up even though he's not you're not going to get.
Speaker 2: The follow up.
Speaker 3: I'd be very surprised if you do, but you're not
going to get it. But he was talking about ideas
where I think you have North America kind of forming
one unified thing, or like Canada kind of forming its
own thing, and and things getting very tense, but like
the political scale of the Earth shifts massively while they're
waiting for the results to come back from from Grace.
So it kind of would be a story that was
focusing more on the Earth side of things during not after,
but during the win for Grace. But again, these are
things that that Andya just had like highlighted on on Reddit.
Speaker 1: I think you probably do like a short story that
like a like a you know, a smaller story, Like
I don't know how much choice there could be for
because the whole tension is like what's gonna happen with
Grace and Rocky? Right, so like that's right, Like it's
just like the political stuff, which about saying could not
be interesting. But to do like a whole book that
might be not not like flying off the shelves, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean I don't I don't need to have.
As much as I would love a sequel, I just
don't think there's there's enough for a sequel here. I
think the best sequel is what you, as the reader
and the viewer can piece together in your mind. I
think that's great because it's just you can you sky's
the limit at that point. And yeah, he's on a planet.
He's teaching Iridians, which is hilarious, and it's either or
if he does decide to go back to Earth, he
has that option.
Speaker 2: I thought in the book it was a.
Speaker 3: Little bit longer, but maybe I'm mistaken because I think
one of the biggest cons was he needed food and
he wasn't able to he could stretch the food because
Rocky helped create a replica food for him so that
he could have the nutrients I guess. And so that
was one of the things that he was living off
of when he went in stayed on with Eridani, with
Rocky and Rocky's people, was they were fabricating like a
fake food alternative for him that would it was enough
to sustain him so that he could actually live. I
forgot about that part actually, So that was another cool
little feature.
Speaker 2: But yeah, most of the things that they did.
Speaker 3: It was like scene for scene pulled right out of
the book, which is really quite enjoyable.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, nothing else to add then, Hm.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. Aside, like I already said,
some parts seemed rushed the whole tamiba thing where he
was trying to make the tamiba more nitrogen.
Speaker 2: Compatible. I believe Rocky was awake.
Speaker 3: For that whole sequence in the book when they were
trying to breed it so it was more resistance to
nitrogen so it could sustain their atmospheres, because that's another thing.
They hit a certain point where the tamoba could survive
a certain degree of nitrogen and then that was suitable
for Earth or I guess for.
Speaker 2: Was it Venus.
Speaker 3: I think they were going to Mercury or Venus was
where our tomoba were going to. And then they had
to grow the tamoba a little bit more further to
hit a certain nitrogen resistance level so they could survive
in Rocky's solar system. And that was a little bit
of an arc there too. But yeah, again, you don't
need it in the In the movie, they cover it
very briefly, and I'm glad that they did, just so
people can understand, like, Okay, this is how it works.
Because there's so many scientific terms that they're throwing around
in this movie, but you don't got to be a
scientist to follow along. For the most part, they do
a good job at explaining it. Like when he's trying
he's got the little like necklace orbs thing and he's like, oh,
hang on, no, this is oxygen, and he takes his
helmet off in the tunnel, which I thought that was great.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, that's a big ask, you know,
if if.
Speaker 1: It's wrong, it goes really wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
liked all that. Yeah, it was good stuff. So yeah, no,
I think that I point out everything that I would
be a point out the same stuff, but yeah, nothing
else i'd point out. So yeah, I'm excited to talk
about this again. I know we'll be talking about for
Golden Kings. I definitely would have it and pretty much
every category right now. I'd have it. Best Picture, I'd
have it, best Actor, visual score. I don't know where.
I don't know if Rocky can fit there. Maybe he
could get in there supporting somewhere, but yeah, i'd have
it in quite a few canategories. So yeah, no, definitely
my favorite movie the year right now. That's a high bar. Set.
Also got some good stuff coming up this year, but
it's creative. The experience. We're blown away. Like I said,
I want to get back and see it again. So yeah,
so we will again, probably talk about the future here
with the other geeks think about it. But until then,
I'll love the boring by bye.