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When the urge took hold, serial 33 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:01.319 killer Larry Bright brought women back to his home. After 34 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:04.840 raping and murdering his victims, He brutally disposed of their bodies. 35 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:07.920 Sometimes he built a white hot fire and burned them 36 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:11.039 in his backyard. Other times he dumped them along nearby 37 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:15.080 roads and fields. For years, Bright had trolled the roads 38 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.080 and backstreets of Illinois for the most helpless, desperate women 39 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.400 he could find. Then one woman escaped, and suddenly police 40 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.439 were looking for bodies everywhere, trying to find out how 41 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.120 many women Bright had really killed and what he'd done 42 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:31.680 with their remains. Step by step, an all out investigation 43 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:35.120 would shock hardened detectives. From interviews with women who survived 44 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:38.000 their encounters with him, to the forensic search for bone 45 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:41.639 fragments and pieces of burned, buried flesh, the case against 46 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:44.479 Larry Bright finally closed like a vice on the man 47 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:48.479 who turned his victims into ashes. Bone Crusher with my 48 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:51.919 special guest Linda Rosenkrantz, thank you very much for agreeing 49 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:55.280 to this program, and welcome back to the program. Linda Rosenkrantz. 50 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:56.599 Thank you very much. Dan. 51 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:02.280 Thank you. First off, what made you decide to write 52 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:06.840 about this killer and this case in particular, Well, my. 53 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:10.759 Publisher always tells me that readers like to read about 54 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:17.479 serial killers, and in my research, I came across this, 55 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.560 this case and I was fascinated. He killed you know, 56 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.080 eight women, and I thought what would make someone do 57 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.080 such a thing, and just got involved in it and 58 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:28.879 went from there. 59 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:34.840 Now, the story of Bone Crusher is set in Peoria, Illinois, 60 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.120 and tell us where that is in relation to Chicago, 61 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:42.719 and from your research, what type of community is prior Peoria, 62 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.759 what is it best known for? And after that you 63 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.919 can tell us about the what's really featured in this 64 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:53.319 book is also the low track that's featured in this 65 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:56.520 the place where the most vulnerable women are available in Priora. 66 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:59.400 So tell us a little bit about that set. The set, 67 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.039 the scene for sure. 68 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.240 Period is about one hundred and sixty five miles south 69 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.280 of Chicago. It's between Chicago and Saint Louis. And it's 70 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:16.399 a blue collar community, blue collar city. Industrial. You know, 71 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:22.560 industry started there. There was pork industry and flour mills, 72 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:26.560 and you know, it has universities and it's always been 73 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:32.879 known as sort of a typical American city. And the 74 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:37.319 phrase will it play in Peoria? I'm sure folks have 75 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:42.759 heard that originated there because it was such a typical city. 76 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.160 In the twenties and thirties, vaudeville acts would go to 77 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.079 Peoria and try their acts out, and if it worked 78 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:54.360 in Peoria, they figured it would work across the country. 79 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:55.040 Right. 80 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:58.920 So, you know, it has everything. There's affordable housing, there's 81 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:05.480 great schools, colleges, medical facilities, arts. But, as I mentioned 82 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:07.920 in my book, is a ced aside to the city 83 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:14.199 and as a place that's just inhabited by prostitutes and 84 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:18.319 drug addicts and people like Larry Bright who preyed on them. 85 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.680 Right now, Larry Bright is the or a central figure 86 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:27.439 of this story. Tell us about his life growing up, 87 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.160 and tell us about his mother surely and their relationship 88 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:32.240 from what you could find. 89 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:36.879 Right, Well, he was born in California and then the 90 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:43.560 family moved to the city in Illinois Morton and his 91 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.560 parents' divorced when he was young and his father really 92 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:50.600 wasn't in his life until he was maybe in high school. 93 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:54.639 So he was really a mama's boy. She would do 94 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:58.800 anything for him, and he would do anything for her. 95 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:01.120 You know, he was a type of kid in high school, 96 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:09.319 got in trouble, liked to party, do drugs, involved in burglaries, fights, 97 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:13.879 you know, ended up in prison. So you know, he 98 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.199 didn't have a great upbringing at all, no one really 99 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:22.279 there no real male role model anyway. 100 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:28.000 And what was from his friends that grew up with them? 101 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:30.600 What type of personality other than get in trouble? 102 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:31.120 What was he? 103 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:33.759 A person that had a lot of friends despite his 104 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:35.040 criminal leanings? 105 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:36.040 That was he? 106 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:38.759 Was he? What kind of personality was he? 107 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:38.959 Well? 108 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.720 He, I mean he had some friends, not a whole lot, 109 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:45.439 but he just liked the party. They would go into 110 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.560 the woods. There was there were various camping sites where 111 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:51.199 they would just go and do drugs and drink and 112 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.000 party and that was pretty much what his life was 113 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:54.600 growing up. 114 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:58.920 How was he with women? Did he have early relationships 115 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:01.680 with girls? What was his what was his relationships with 116 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:02.920 women like when he was young? 117 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:05.240 And you know, no, I don't. I don't know that. 118 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.759 I wasn't able to find that out. I tried talking, 119 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.399 wanted to talk with his mother, but she, you know, 120 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:13.720 she called me back and decided not to. So I don't. 121 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:19.759 I don't really know about his relationships when he was 122 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:20.959 in high school. 123 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.639 Now you're you're talking about Larry Bright as a young 124 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:31.279 man in his twenties, early or you know, late teens. Now, 125 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.240 what was his personality? Like you said he liked the party, 126 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:38.519 but what was his what was his his idea of 127 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:41.399 you know, did he go to Did he frequent prostitutes 128 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.040 at an early age? From all the information you've got, No, 129 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:45.439 it doesn't seem. 130 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:49.639 Like at an early age. And I'm not exactly sure 131 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:55.879 when that started. It probably started maybe in his later 132 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.360 later twenties. I would think after he was in prison 133 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:04.360 for burglary and after he got out of prison. I think, 134 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:09.439 I mean, he had a serious, serious relationship several of 135 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:11.680 them as a matter of fact, and he was married 136 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:15.800 and no children of his own, although one woman told 137 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:18.839 him that they had a son, but the son really 138 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.920 wasn't his and he was devastated to find that out. 139 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.959 So it's really unclear when when he started, because he 140 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:31.120 told so many stories that it was. It just wasn't 141 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:32.240 clear what to believe. 142 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:36.840 Now, you talked about drug use in partying, and we 143 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.480 were talking about crack cocaine, So this is this is 144 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:44.240 a drug problem much evolved if you're resorting to crack 145 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:49.000 cocaine rather than some other drugs. So when from your research, 146 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:53.399 when did he seem to be seriously doing crack cocaine 147 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:57.159 and around what age and what part what time of 148 00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:58.159 his life was he doing this? 149 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:03.080 Again, I I think I would say it was probably well, 150 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.200 I think he started that early on. I mean, you know, 151 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:10.360 they started smoking marijuana and then I think they went 152 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:14.480 into cocaine. You know, maybe in his early twenties. He 153 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:16.840 was a pretty hardened drug user. 154 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.840 Now what did he do for employment? What was his 155 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:21.399 interest in? 156 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:26.879 Well, he did sort of odd jobs. He built barns 157 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:32.399 and dismantled barns and did brick work and yard work, 158 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:39.279 whatever he could find. No discernible skills that I could determine. 159 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.480 Now, what was his relationship with his mother and where 160 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:45.080 did he live and under what circumstances he win it. 161 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:49.759 He lived with his mother throughout most of his life 162 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:54.519 except when he was married. They lived at one house 163 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:59.120 in Illinois, and then in Peoria, and then they he 164 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:02.480 lived in the base, and then when they bought the 165 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:07.960 house at which he murdered the women, he was living 166 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:15.159 in sort of a makeshift garage type apartment, you know, 167 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:19.799 no kitchen, bathroom, one sort of one large room and 168 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:23.879 a bathroom, and his mother lived in a larger house 169 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:24.799 in the front. 170 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:30.279 From your From everything that you've learned in writing this book, 171 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:32.759 what was the mother? What was the mother like? What 172 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:34.120 was what was her life like? 173 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:42.360 Her life wasn't easy. There was there was insinuations that 174 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:46.639 at one point in her life she was a prostitute, 175 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:51.399 but no one ever proved that, so it's really unclear. 176 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:55.600 But she seemed like a hard working, really nice woman 177 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:59.600 who had no idea what her son was doing. You know, 178 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:02.039 I'm not sure if it's that she didn't think he 179 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:06.440 could do anything wrong, or she just just didn't have 180 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:07.919 a clue about what he was doing. 181 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.960 Now, you said he was married to someone. What was 182 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:14.759 that marriage, like, how long did it last? What was 183 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:18.679 it characterized by? Did you find out anything about that marriage? 184 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:23.159 It wasn't. I don't think it lasted very long. And 185 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.519 I'm sorry, this is what There were so many things 186 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:30.840 involved that I don't remember everything. But he was abusive 187 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.159 to the women he was with. As a matter of fact, 188 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.600 I think one of them was pregnant and he he 189 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:44.159 claims he was defending himself, but he hit her and 190 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:48.080 and she had to go to the hospital. And I'm sorry, 191 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.320 I don't remember if she lost the baby or not, 192 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:55.960 but she did, right, So he was an abusive personality, 193 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:57.919 so it didn't last very long. 194 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:05.039 Now, a lot of stuff starts happening in Peoria. In 195 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.159 the low track. There is a woman named Linda Fields 196 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:13.360 that was found dead on February twenty fourth, two thousand. Now, 197 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:18.440 how was she pardon in Wisconsin? In Wisconsin? Okay? Now, 198 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.519 how was she killed? And what was her relationship to 199 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:21.159 Larry Bright? 200 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:25.679 And Larry dated her and her body was found She 201 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:29.720 had been strangled and her body was dumped under a 202 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:33.360 tree near her home on Lake Avenue, and she was 203 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.960 just wearing a nightgown and her shoes were next to her, 204 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:42.120 and Larry coincidentally or not, moved back to Peoria the 205 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:48.200 same month her body was found. Now, Larry, in his 206 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:54.720 interviews with police, he says he killed her. He said 207 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.519 he didn't kill her. He said he doesn't remember. He 208 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.120 said he has visions where he killed her, maybe their dreams. 209 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:08.840 He just doesn't know. So her death was never attributed 210 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:09.519 to him. 211 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.080 Now you've getten a little bit ahead. So I just 212 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.320 wanted to make sure that with this Larry Bright, was 213 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:19.679 he a person at least of interest? Did police at 214 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:22.200 least question him at that time? 215 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:25.480 Not at the time, No, not until he had been 216 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:27.759 arrested for the murders in Peoria. 217 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.279 Okay, Now we'll jump ahead a little bit to March 218 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:34.519 twenty first, or March of two thousand and one, or 219 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.200 March twenty first, two thousand and one. And what occurred 220 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:39.159 that day that. 221 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.600 I think if I remember, it was the day that 222 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:51.519 Ken Gibbons heard some dirt bikers yelling something in a 223 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:57.440 field and apparently they had seen they had found a 224 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:05.559 body of a woman, and that was Wanda Jackson. And 225 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:09.879 she was one of the first bodies found. But ultimately 226 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.840 they could never connect Larry to her murder. 227 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:19.519 Right now, you including Bone Crusher talk of serial killer 228 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:23.759 Joseph Miller as well as other serial killers. Why include 229 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:27.159 Miller and other serial killers and why are they an 230 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:29.240 important part of your story? 231 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:33.639 Well, Miller had killed women in Chicago, and he had 232 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:36.440 been in prison for fifteen years and then got out 233 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:41.720 and murdered three or four more women in Peoria in 234 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.799 nineteen ninety three, nineteen. Yeah, he was found guilty in 235 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:49.799 ninety four of murdering three Pura prostitutes, and so police 236 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:56.159 were finding bodies of other women but then discovered that 237 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:00.879 they were probably connected to him rather than to Larry. 238 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.399 So you know, they were finding finding bodies. But the 239 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.679 reason I included other serial killers is because they all 240 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.519 well I can't say all, but but it's sort of 241 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:17.960 a they sort of do similar things and pray on 242 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:19.360 similar people. 243 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:20.039 You know. 244 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.440 They pray on the most vulnerable, the people they think 245 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:29.840 no one is going to miss, you know, So that's 246 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:33.279 sort of why I include them, and also to show 247 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.600 and Miller. 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She they they were all African American women and 272 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:01.720 she was found in a cornfield in Tremont Township in 273 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:09.519 Taswell County. The bodies were disposed of in Peoria and 274 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:16.480 Taswell County. And you know, she was she was like 275 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:22.640 the other women on the street selling their bodies for drugs. 276 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:27.519 I would say most of these women were drug addicts 277 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:34.039 more so than prostitutes. They were only into prostitution to 278 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.440 pay for their drug habits. All they wanted to do 279 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:42.079 was get high. And you know, And so she was 280 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:48.960 dumped in this cornfield right now. 281 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:53.400 Not too many months later, February fifth, two thousand and four, 282 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:57.880 another victim is found. And who do police find? 283 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:03.839 Barbra Williams, a gentleman who was on the way to 284 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:09.279 drive his wife to work, saw the body of a 285 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:14.880 woman in the snow, and he went and and called police. 286 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:17.000 Is this was this the one? Yeah, she was in 287 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:20.000 the snow, she was parstially clothed, her feet were in 288 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:25.519 the roadway and when police were called, they they thought 289 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:28.599 that maybe she had been dragged from one place to another. 290 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:34.039 Now, these women, uh, so far have been strangled. 291 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:35.359 Yes, all of them? 292 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:36.880 Is there so far? 293 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.279 Is there anything that the killer left is in terms 294 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.559 of how we strangled them? Is there any evidence of 295 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:46.160 is there any similarity so far with any of these 296 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.319 victims other than their black prostitutes from the low Track. 297 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.400 No No Now. 298 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:57.799 Two weeks later, incredibly, Frederica Brown is discovered and who 299 00:18:57.880 --> 00:18:59.680 is she and how is she discovered? 300 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:05.640 They found her again lying in the snow in Peoria County, 301 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:10.319 but a man driving an all terrain vehicle found her 302 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.279 near Hannah City and she had been strangled. She was 303 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:19.680 dumped about thirty feet from the roadway. She was wearing 304 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:26.799 a coat and jeans and a shirt and they didn't 305 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:32.240 they they weren't sure if she had been walking in 306 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:34.799 the area, but she had been there for a number 307 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.200 of months. They thought she was there for a while, 308 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.319 and she had lived with her boyfriend who was also 309 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:44.519 addicted to drugs, and she had three children who were 310 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:48.279 in foster care. And you know, another person with a 311 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:53.880 hard life. She'd been arrested for prostitution, battery, robbery and 312 00:19:55.440 --> 00:20:00.839 another woman ultimately, like Wanda Jackson. Did we get to 313 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.440 warn to Jackson. I'm sorry, but Larry was not connected 314 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:11.079 to this. They couldn't connect him. Police think ultimately they 315 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:15.519 think he murdered her, but he never confessed to her. 316 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:18.880 He never confessed to two of the women. So the 317 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.039 police found ten women over this period of time, but 318 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:24.759 Larry only confessed to murdering eight of them. 319 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:29.079 Now by this time, you know, we're into February two 320 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:32.680 thousand and four, and there's been these a bunch of victims, 321 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:39.079 and is what is the what is the press's response? 322 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:42.279 Is there? Is it? Is it high profile? What is 323 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:46.000 going on in Peoria in terms of the media and 324 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:48.680 what's going on with the police. Is this paskporce set 325 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:49.079 up yet? 326 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:55.759 The task forces? Task force isn't set up yet? You know. 327 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.519 The obviously the more bodies they find, the more they're 328 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:05.559 thinking maybe these are connected. And and I'm sorry, but 329 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:09.279 I'm just I'm not I think the media obviously or not. 330 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:13.200 I think that they're sort of involved in this. But 331 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:16.799 but there's not a lot of media attention. If I 332 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:21.839 recall at the moment, they were obviously newspaper articles in 333 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:27.000 the Peoria Journal Star, you know, each time a body 334 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:31.880 was found, but no one was connecting them yet, right, and. 335 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:35.440 The police certainly weren't so right. Okay, So we jumped 336 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:38.039 ahead to August twenty second and a woman named Laura 337 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.480 Lawler is found and who is she and how is 338 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:44.079 she found? Is there any is it similar or is 339 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:45.559 there some differences. 340 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:56.039 Differences Laura. Larry disposed of eight of his victims with 341 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:03.200 intact bodies. Four of them, including Laura, he burned and 342 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:10.359 so police didn't find her on August twenty second. She 343 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:15.119 was reported missing on August twenty second, but police didn't 344 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:17.960 find her body because there was nobody to find. Larry 345 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:21.960 built a fire in his backyard and burned these women, 346 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:27.599 and then after the fire died down, he would take 347 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.599 what remained of their bones and crush them, hence the 348 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:34.400 name bone crusher, and then he would scoop up the 349 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:39.279 bone and ash in pails or buckets actually big frosting 350 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:42.759 buckets that his mother got when she worked at a 351 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:48.599 local supermarket, and disposed of the remains at various places 352 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:53.200 around Peoria and Caswell County. He disposed of some of 353 00:22:53.279 --> 00:23:00.759 the bones in his grandmother's yard, so you know, ultimately 354 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:04.160 confessed and said that he strangled her and burned her 355 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:08.799 body and then just dumped the remains. So police didn't 356 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:12.880 know about her at this point, right, Okay, missing? 357 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.480 Okay, Now there are some people that come forward and 358 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:21.839 very interesting characters so that the police have some idea 359 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:25.240 who Larry Bright is because he's not on their radar initially. 360 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.039 What happens there are some characters Vicky Bomar, there is 361 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:36.799 another woman named Tiffany Hughes, who's who's Vicky Bomar. 362 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:40.960 By the way, Vicky Baumar was a woman. She's ultimately 363 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:48.039 the woman who testified against Larry at At in court 364 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.440 at a hearing and and they got an indictment. He 365 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:55.880 kidnapped her, raped her, took her back to his house, 366 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.640 probably would have done to her what he did to 367 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:04.680 the rest of them, murdered her. But she locked herself 368 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:10.880 in the bathroom and he tried, he tried to get 369 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:14.160 her out, and finally he said, if you just come out, 370 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:17.640 I'll take you home. And she had didn't have much choice. Now, 371 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:22.880 what it seemed was when the women, the women who 372 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:29.759 fought the hardest, he let go. For whatever reason he 373 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.640 you know, maybe it's just I don't know. I can't 374 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:37.359 get into his head. But she got away and she 375 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:39.599 he said, or right, I'll take you back. But when 376 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:44.680 they went, when they were walking to his truck, she 377 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.279 saw a neighbor of his and she ran over to 378 00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:50.079 the woman and said, you know, he just tried to 379 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.279 rape me. He wanted to kill me. And the woman said, 380 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:54.279 let me call the police, and she said, no, just 381 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:59.759 take me home. And so Vicky, she didn't tell anybody right, 382 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.319 didn't go to the police. But someone but after all 383 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:10.039 these murders started happening, someone went to the Tiffany went 384 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:13.920 to the police. At well, Tiffany went to the police 385 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:20.079 and said that she another woman she also had been 386 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:24.079 raped and kidnapped by Larry. And then someone went to 387 00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:26.000 the police and said, you know, maybe you should talk 388 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.359 to Vicky Boemar because she told me the same thing 389 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:31.920 happened right now. 390 00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:33.079 Who's Tiffany Hughes. 391 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:38.119 Tiffany Hughes was another woman who was taken by Larry 392 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:44.119 and her story appeared in the Peoria Journal Star, and so, 393 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.720 you know, she said, I was kidnapped by this guy, 394 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:50.519 you know, he tried to kill me, and so they 395 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:55.920 ran her story. And after Vicky Boehmar's friend, I think, 396 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.359 saw that story, they went to police and said, or 397 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.920 just hearing more about the murders, the friends said, you know, 398 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:06.519 you should talk to Vicky because she said the exact 399 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:09.599 same thing, you know, but none of the Vicky didn't 400 00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:12.599 go to the police initially because she had a warrant 401 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:17.640