WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.640 I have no interest in proving they exist. I already 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:04.440 know they do. You know, when I was face to 3 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:07.160 face that pretty much submitted what I was looking at, 4 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:09.960 And even though I didn't believe it, I had no choice. 5 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:12.720 When you're two feet away from something that's about nine 6 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:15.960 foot four four feet across the shoulders, three feet deep 7 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:19.239 in the chest, and you're looking eye to eye with it, 8 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:22.719 its eyes are illuminated, there was no light to illuminate 9 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.679 them with. And it's a series in your mind pretty 10 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:28.960 much guarantees that you're going to become a believer. 11 00:00:29.160 --> 00:01:04.560 Like right now, this is Bigfoot Crossroads. 12 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:09.400 My name's Matt and joining me is William Morris. William 13 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:15.040 is the founder of the Sasquatch puzzle Man. What a 14 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:17.439 fitting name, William, Thanks for joining. 15 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:20.959 Me, Well, thank you. I'm glad to be here. 16 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:25.040 So we were talking a little bit earlier about some 17 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:32.680 unfortunate news that seems to be spreading around about a 18 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:37.200 man that seems to be your mentor, Tom Kintrell, someone 19 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:41.480 who's very well known and well respected throughout the Bigfoot world. 20 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:45.439 He's a come to the end of this journey and 21 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:47.040 starting his new journey. 22 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:53.359 Would you like to talk about that? Absolutely well. I 23 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:55.920 worked great yards. So when I got home this morning, 24 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:59.680 I got the news that the Tom had passed. But 25 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:03.079 I want to let you folks know he's still with us, 26 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.400 but he's in and out. He's in the transition period. 27 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.319 He made it through the night, but he's not expecting 28 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:13.400 to make it through the day. Tom and I met 29 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.560 when he was writing the book Sasquatch Face to Face. 30 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.400 Somebody had posted a friend of mine had posted that 31 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:28.319 another researcher that Tom was looking for stories of people 32 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.879 that have had actual face to face adventures with the 33 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:36.479 Sasquatch people. And well, mine was about as close as 34 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:38.240 you get to face to face because I could reach 35 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:40.159 out and touch him. That's how close we were. And that 36 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:45.080 was in my second sighting. But Tom has been my teacher, 37 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.840 my mentor. He's been there for when I thought I 38 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:52.400 was going a little bananas because of some of the 39 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:58.719 things I have witnessed in the presence of these majestic people. 40 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:01.919 I call him force people because that's what they are. 41 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:05.840 They are people. But Tom has held my hand through 42 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:11.360 it all and guided me, and I just wish him 43 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:16.159 God's speed that he goes quickly and easily with no pain. 44 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.879 And his wish is to come back as a Sasquatch. 45 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:27.159 So I hope to meaning before I transition as a Sasquatch. 46 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.039 You know, that would be an amazing thing. That would be. Yeah, 47 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:34.560 that's always been his wish is to become a Sasquatch 48 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:38.039 in his next life. So we'll see. Should be interesting 49 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:42.919 because they've told him absolutely, you know, I mean, he's 50 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:46.919 you know. The whole thing is is when I met Tom, 51 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:50.599 and I wrote chapter twenty six, which is my own 52 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:54.520 chapter in Sasquatch Face to Pace. Thank god, that's been 53 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:59.400 like seven years ago, I think somewhere around near six 54 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:03.240 or seven years ago. And I never thought I would 55 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:06.759 be doing what I'm doing right now. If there wasn't 56 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.560 for Tom, you folks would not know anything about me. 57 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.039 I've been having experiences with him since I was sixteen 58 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:17.360 years old, and I wanted nothing to do with them. 59 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:23.360 But things changed and later in life here and I 60 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:28.800 was able to meet people like Cliff Perrikman, Ken Gerhart 61 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:33.199 and you know, people in that top group that I 62 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:37.079 was absolutely able to get my experiences off my chest 63 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:40.720 and had somebody I could actually speak with that didn't 64 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:42.399 look at me like a deer in the headlights and 65 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:47.360 like I'm crazy and the risk has been history, you know, 66 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:52.759 And I probably met with Tom, and about a year 67 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:56.160 and a half after that, you know, after finally getting 68 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:59.279 my story out to somebody, and actually it was Mark forself, 69 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:07.120 our eight canyan expert that I actually first told my 70 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:11.519 story other than anybody in my family, you know, is 71 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.800 something that I kept secret for thirty eight years. And 72 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:20.600 now I'm in a year forty five of experiencing these guys. 73 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:26.800 And it is because of Tom that I decided this 74 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:30.720 is something I'd like to do. So now I started 75 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:36.879 as a researcher March twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, and 76 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:40.199 it was actually to call BS on Tom, which I've 77 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:42.959 told Tom many times. I said, you know, be honest 78 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.480 with you. I was out there to call BS on 79 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:49.240 you and your techniques and lo and behold. The first 80 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:52.639 time I went out with the intention of seeing one, 81 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:55.720 I actually was in the company of two of them, 82 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.040 and one of them was the one that I saw 83 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:03.240 when I was not when I was sixteen. It was 84 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:06.560 a different one, but not soon about eight months later 85 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.920 and I call him Big Sober. I asked for him 86 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.600 to come and connect with me and they did. Wow. 87 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.720 And that's what I was like, Uh wow, Uh there's 88 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:24.199 something to what Tom does. Instead of excuse me, call 89 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.399 on him out and proven me wrong, I actually proved 90 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:32.399 him right. And uh so I've been hooked ever since. 91 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:35.680 I've had eleven sightings right now up to this point, 92 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:42.519 and uh I hope to have a thousand more because 93 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.199 I'm I'm very active in the field. If you go 94 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:49.160 to the Sasquatch Puzzle on Facebook, uh you'll see the 95 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.360 stuff that's on there. That's a new site. I just started. 96 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:56.120 This started a team. Matter of fact, Ron Moorehead is 97 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:59.000 one of my team members who has never been a 98 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:00.759 part of the team in all the years. Believe it 99 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.279 or not, he's going out with hundreds of different researchers, 100 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:09.160 but he's never been part of a team. And uh 101 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.040 so it's it's quite an honor to have him there. 102 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:16.720 And it consists of me, my friend Stan Schumlick. Stan 103 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:20.920 Shemlick worked in Hollywood, he worked in law enforcement, did 104 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:23.519 a lot of things. Matter of fact, if you like 105 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:29.120 Casper the Ghost I do you ever saw Casper was 106 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:33.519 his baby? Oh wow? He designed Casper for the movie 107 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:38.199 and did all the effects and everything and stands is 108 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:45.399 an expert in lighting, shadowing, all that stuff. And one 109 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:47.480 of the things that was great and what got him 110 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:53.399 started in this was through to Todd Nice and they 111 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.920 were in a conversation about infrasound. And you know, for 112 00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:59.839 him being in Hollywood and the things that he does, 113 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:02.240 you know, he kind of has to be an expert 114 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:06.439 in sound. And that's what brought him into the puzzle. 115 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:11.319 And because Todd invited him out of the blue to 116 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.040 the last to the last beach pot and that's where 117 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:19.160 Stanton I'm at. Then I decided to teach him out 118 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:22.399 for a day just for afterwards, you know, for a 119 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.240 little lesson. I was going to teach him about tree 120 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:29.319 breakstree structures, staying with a total skeptic, absolutely a total 121 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:32.600 skeptic on the subject. Matter of fact, if you'd said 122 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.840 anything to him before he got with me, he would 123 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:38.240 have laughed, you know, if you told him your big 124 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.000 Foot story and stuff, and you know it kind of 125 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:43.080 mocked you. And you know he had he had no 126 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.279 belief in it whatsoever. So I took him out for 127 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:51.320 a class and we got together and was the first 128 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:54.399 day we went out, well, he had two sightings. Wow, 129 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:56.919 the second day. We went out. The very next day, 130 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.919 he had two more sightings face to face with my 131 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:04.960 juvenile JJ, and the rest is history. I started. I 132 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.399 asked Tea months that, you know, they really like you. 133 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:13.159 Four sightings of two days, they really like you, And 134 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:17.039 so I invited him to start a team. And the 135 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:21.240 Sasquatch Puzzle was born. So everything that's on that site 136 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:27.080 is just since August early September. Wow, that's just the 137 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:30.600 things that we found this year. There's five trackways in 138 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:34.600 there that we found, and some of it I actually 139 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.279 I found them for the most part, but we went 140 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:42.000 and all casted them together here recently, and I've got 141 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:45.360 so many prints sitting on my coffee table here there's 142 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:50.879 no room for anything. Yeah, we've it's been quite an adventure. 143 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.159 How did this all start for you? You talked about having 144 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:57.120 a sighting when you were just sixteen years old. 145 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:00.840 I was. I was sixteen years old. I lived in 146 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:04.120 Myrtle Creek, Oregon, and I lived about three and a 147 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:07.480 half miles from town out in the country. And my 148 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:12.559 first experience it was during the hunting season of nineteen eighty, 149 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:17.000 which is you know, between It was somewhere in October, 150 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:21.240 either towards the end of October or early November, which 151 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:24.039 is at the end of the season, and I was hunting. 152 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:26.720 I had permission to hunt the property I was on 153 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:32.200 out there, and I come over the hill right behind 154 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.960 the place where I lived on the property is a 155 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:40.559 big ranch called the s Diamond Ranch. And as I 156 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:44.120 come over the hill, which is just fifty yards from 157 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:50.000 my bedroom, and come down this little roadway that was there, 158 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:55.600 I saw something move and I looked over and my 159 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:58.519 brain did not want to believe I was looking at 160 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:03.919 a sasquatch. My brain wanted to believe I was looking 161 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:05.960 at a giant rabbit, like there was any such thing 162 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:10.639 as that. Yeah, this giant rabbit is about seven and 163 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:15.519 a half feet tall, and yeah, but I'm standing there 164 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:17.519 with my hunting your right. I never raised it towards it, 165 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:20.080 you know, because I've always learned, don't shoot in anything, 166 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.399 and once you plan on eating, well, I didn't plan 167 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.440 on eating a sasquash, but or a giant rabbit. So 168 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:29.000 but that's where my whole adventure began. And I was 169 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:32.759 at sixteen years old. Then my next sightings were back 170 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:38.919 to back. Was about eight months later and last end 171 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:42.759 of May early June nineteen eighty one. I was just 172 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:45.360 getting out of school. For that I was in high 173 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:51.159 school and I was actually my mother and I had 174 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:54.039 gotten into an argument, and so I stormed off walked 175 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.200 to town, which I often did. I walked everywhere. Even 176 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:00.639 though I had actually owned fourteen cars at the time. 177 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:02.639 I used to buy them, fix them, sell them. You 178 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.480 know that I was quite I could talk in a 179 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.960 little old lady out of her Faul's chief back. That 180 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:12.919 was a great car salesman. Yeah. My next sighting was 181 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.960 my face to face that is in Tom Cantrell's book 182 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.480 Sasquashed Face to Face, and we started my adventure with Tom. 183 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:25.960 But that one I was they had calmed down, decide 184 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.159 I was going to head home. This is like eleven 185 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:32.360 thirty at night, and I'm walking along. I get a 186 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:34.240 mile out of town. I still got two and a 187 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:39.799 half miles to get home, and I hear four footsteps 188 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.159 and they were quite heavy. I was like, well, sounds 189 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.440 like an elephant walking or a horse, or you know, 190 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.240 a could be an elk. I don't know, you know. 191 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:52.320 And the fourth step, I turned to my right and 192 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:54.559 it was standing right there was a three about a 193 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:57.399 three foot drop off a little over three feet off 194 00:12:57.480 --> 00:12:59.679 the edge of the roadway, and we were looking face 195 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:04.000 to face and that was and I was close enough 196 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.679 that I could reach out and touch him. Wow, I did, 197 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:13.200 I didn't because I was terrified. I was absolutely terrified. 198 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.240 I heard the phrase, and the phrase that sticks out 199 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.080 in my mind is a bolt of fear. It's like 200 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.200 something just hit you with lightning and you are frozen. 201 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:24.720 I couldn't move, and all I can say is feet, 202 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:27.159 don't fail me, now, you know. And it's like, Pete, 203 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:31.480 you're failing me because I couldn't move and I'm just 204 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:34.360 sitting there and we're staring at eye. It was probably 205 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:37.000 for about two to two and a half minutes, and 206 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:39.039 then he just turned and walked away. Never tried to 207 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.440 hurt me or anything, never was aggressive. We just sat 208 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:45.440 there and looked at each other and he took three 209 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:47.879 steps off and I never heard another sound after that, 210 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.039 And so that was my second sighting. Then about week 211 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.919 and a half later, I was getting ready for bed. 212 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.240 I'm climbed in bed. My mom was at the other 213 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:02.600 end of the place and she was in and I 214 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:06.159 walked to my back window facing the hill that i'd 215 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:10.320 walked over to saw the first one, and I saw 216 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.320 the glowing eyes that I had seen when I was 217 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:17.519 face to face, and it's like always right there. And 218 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.480 he just squatting probably thirty feet from my bedroom window, 219 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.440 up on the hillside, next to a tree, and apparently 220 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:27.000 stayed there all night long. Well, I crawled in bed 221 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.600 and got in a fetal position, and all I can 222 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:33.559 say is Blue, don't kill us. Because I knew nothing 223 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:36.279 about the Fast Watch people. Matter of fact, I wanted 224 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.240 nothing to do with them at all. Even after these sightings. 225 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:40.840 I wanted nothing to do with them. I was like, 226 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.320 I know you're there, I know you're there. Just please 227 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.120 leave me alone, you know, because who are you going 228 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.600 to tell? First of all, this is back in nineteen eighties, 229 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:50.879 you know, who are you going to tell? I go 230 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:52.360 to the place to go report it. They're going to 231 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:53.919 laugh me out of town because I do them all. 232 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:55.879 You know, they all knew me. They're gonna go, Yeah, 233 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:59.679 Bill kind of went nuts, you know, And that's all there. 234 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:03.039 You know, people are gonna you're kind of crazy, you know. 235 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.559 But now it's just it's a common thing, and more 236 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.320 and more people are accepting that, well, maybe there is 237 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.240 something there and there's a lot of things out there 238 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:17.039 we don't understand. But my mom that night on that 239 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:21.039 third siding, when he was outside my window, this lasted 240 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:25.039 all night long and just feeling watching, watching, watching, and 241 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:28.360 she was actually frozen in her bed like she was 242 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.039 being hit by infrasound. And she says, I couldn't move 243 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:34.679 all night. And when she got up the next morning, 244 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:36.799 I kind of rushed out there because the feeling kind 245 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:41.279 of finally dissipated. And this is about six in the morning, 246 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.519 and I'd heard my mom's stirring and she was finally 247 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:46.600 able to move and get up, and I was like, 248 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:50.000 how do you sleep? She says, I didn't And I 249 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.240 said I didn't either. Let me tell you what happened. 250 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.159 And then she understood that there was something there. Wow. 251 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:59.679 Then about another week went by and her and I 252 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:02.039 were in and out in the driveway and this is 253 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:06.399 the fourth siding, and uh, my mom actually caught it 254 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:09.919 because I told her about his eyes were green and 255 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:14.679 they glowed, and it's it wasn't eye shine, they glow 256 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:19.120 from within. You know, everybody talks about eyeshine. No eye 257 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:21.360 shine is when you get a beer in the headlights, right, 258 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.639 you know, there was no light. You know, when I 259 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:26.159 was face to face with him, I was in a 260 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:28.440 spot that was very dark, and the thing I'm looking 261 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.679 at is glowing, and you know, I could just barely 262 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:33.759 see the outline of what I was looking at. And 263 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:38.240 probably because when I saw the first one, it's like, oh, 264 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.440 you still don't believe. So he decided I'm going to 265 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:44.399 make it really close to Paris so he can't deny 266 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:48.440 what he saw. But we're standing in top of the 267 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.360 driveway and it's dusk, but it's not dark yet, you know, 268 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:54.919 it's just the sun that just crested it over the hills. 269 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.039 And while I was sitting there talking with my mom, 270 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:02.120 she she's like, oh, what that and drew my attention. 271 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:05.960 That way as far across the field from the neighbor's place, 272 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.039 across the way of their pasture, there's a tree line 273 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.759 that goes across their pasture between the two properties, and 274 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:17.039 it's about less than a quarter mile away, so you 275 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:20.519 can still see pretty clear and just still very light out, 276 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:24.160 and we watched him about every third step would turn 277 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:27.960 back and look our direction as it was across the 278 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.039 property that we were on, across the road and was 279 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.160 going across the property the other side, but it was 280 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:38.440 in the tree line, and I never seen anything move 281 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:43.319 so smoothly through the forest. It's like there was no 282 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:46.720 trees on the ground, no nothing in the way. They 283 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:53.200 just glided. And we watched him across the through the 284 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.200 tree line and across and then we washed him walk 285 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.119 up the mountain on the other side, and you know, 286 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:02.319 about every three steps he'd look back directly at it. 287 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.359 And I felt a little different this time when I 288 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.799 saw him. I wasn't as terrified, and it was kind 289 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:12.640 of like they were saying goodbye. Yeah, you know, like, well, 290 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:16.640 we'll see in thirty eight years. I got to say, 291 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:21.799 they're pretty patient. But yeah, we watched him walk over 292 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.680 the mountain. And then I was bodybuilding and I ran 293 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:28.920 every day getting in shape and staying in shape, and 294 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:31.920 I was all over those mountains. I used to matter 295 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:33.599 of fact, there was a mountain I used to run 296 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.400 to the top. I started out in a walk to 297 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:39.240 get to the top, and I'd have to stop thirty 298 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:42.039 times before I got there. Then I got to where 299 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:45.319 I could walk and jog and walk and jog till 300 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:46.960 you know, I'd get to the top of the mountain 301 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:50.279 and then I got to where I could outrun my 302 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:54.039 dog to the top of the mountain. Wow. Yeah, And 303 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:58.160 so I got in some really good shape, especially running uphill, 304 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.279 you know, because it was over a mile uphill, and 305 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:03.359 it was not exactly it went to the back of 306 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:09.519 my uncle's property, and I could not the way he 307 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:14.960 moved and got over that mountain. That only took oh gosh, 308 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:17.119 I'd have to say it was only about six or 309 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:22.200 seven minutes. If I had done the same path, it 310 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.559 probably would have taken me at least thirty to forty 311 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:28.680 five minutes. Jeez. Yeah. So I was quite impressed. And 312 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:30.880 then I just tried to forget about all that stuff 313 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.920 after that for thirty eight years, just kept that inside. 314 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:37.279 Even my mother and I didn't discuss it much, you know, 315 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.200 it was just more like, you know, okay, we have 316 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.960 a shared experience together. A matter of fact, we have 317 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.440 a couple of them together. And because the first time, 318 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:48.279 you know, when I told her, I said, you know, 319 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:53.759 I didn't quite figure she believed me. Yeah, But after 320 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:55.559 you know, she saw it for herself, it was a 321 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:56.559 whole different story. 322 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:03.640 Do you recall anything previous to those events where maybe 323 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.039 they were already around and you just didn't realize it. 324 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.640 You know, I didn't know about anything about tree knocks, 325 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.240 structures anything like that, you know, a matter of fact, 326 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.400 they were completely off my radar. We didn't have things 327 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:20.319 like not finding Bigfoot. Sorry, Cliff, I love you, but 328 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:25.240 you know, you know, to kind of help us kind 329 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:27.599 of get into the mode of finding different things, which 330 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:30.039 you know, they didn't even go into depth on a 331 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:34.279 lot of those things, right, you know, but you know 332 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:36.319 I learned a lot of it by just getting out 333 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:39.640 there and doing and finding things going and what we 334 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:44.319 do as a team especially is look for what doesn't belong. 335 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:48.519 You know, what is what am I looking at? You know, 336 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:51.920 I probably walked past a thousand structures and tree brakes 337 00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:55.359 and everything and never knew or even had any kind 338 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:58.039 of understanding that there could have been something that built 339 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:02.640 that It wasn't natural, happened naturally. Now I can't unsee 340 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:06.799 it wherever I go, it doesn't matter. I've been find 341 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:11.559 structures that have found structures in Canada, in Washington State 342 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:13.799 with Tom Cantrell. A matter of fact, first time Tom 343 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:16.759 and I went out, we went up to barber Shops 344 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:19.359 area where she does one of her camps off the 345 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:26.759 Green River, and I found footprints that were fresh tree 346 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:29.440 breaks and some tree weaves and stuff right there. And 347 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:32.640 what Tom was hoping I would see what He absolutely 348 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:35.119 took me to. This one spot which is just above 349 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:37.680 her camp, is just a short little road. It's blocked off. 350 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:44.079 Is there's a tree, an arch tree. It's actually two trees, 351 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.480 one from each side of the creek weave together in 352 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:52.160 a large arch, which he did you see that? I said, yeah, 353 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.880 but I got cooler stuff in that in my area 354 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.319 as Tom, Wait, did you see my pictures? Let's put 355 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:05.319 it this way. I have over fourteen thousand pictures on 356 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:08.200 my hard drive of the past five years of me 357 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:15.039 doing my research. Wow, just tree breaks, structures, tree twists. 358 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.880 And you know, if we were live on video right here, 359 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:20.480 I could show you the prints that I've found, which 360 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:24.079 you've seen on my site tree breaks. I don't know 361 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:27.160 if you got to see the really cool tree breaks 362 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:31.240 that's got like five twists in it, I don't think. So. Yeah, 363 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:34.000 there's a short little video on there. So anybody that 364 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:37.680 goes there, school down there is got to understand that 365 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:42.039 this is only this site isn't that old. It's very recent, 366 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.839 Like I said, somewhere around the last of August or 367 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:49.839 September is when I started the site, and all that 368 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.960 stuff that's on there is everything from that point on, 369 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:57.480 So it's just the last you know, six months or 370 00:22:57.480 --> 00:22:58.400 so or less. 371 00:22:58.799 --> 00:22:59.799 How did you find that? 372 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:04.839 I just travel the roots. And the whole thing is 373 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:08.519 is once you learn what you're looking at, you can 374 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:10.759 unsee it. You can be going down the freeway at 375 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:13.480 eighty miles an hour in spot a tree structure and 376 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:15.119 be hitting the brakes going, well, I got to go 377 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:19.240 check this out. It's that simple. Once you get the 378 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:22.759 mindset and what you're doing and what you're looking for, 379 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.839 it's actually everywhere. That's what people don't understand. They're everywhere. 380 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:31.519 They're not just in one localized area. They're not just 381 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:35.000 in little spaces here and there, but everywhere I go. 382 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:37.680 A matter of fact, let me, I wrote down here 383 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.599 just this last year. This is just this is just 384 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:46.839 in the past year since July. Okay, rain Er, Oregon. 385 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:51.680 That was Beachfoot. When I got to Beachfoot, I found 386 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:54.119 my camp. I told Todd which one I wanted long 387 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:57.559 before I got there, before the season started, and so 388 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:01.839 I went down found my spot. Then I went from 389 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:05.200 there up to pavilion where Todd was to check in 390 00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:07.680 and do everything for Beach Book. When I came back, 391 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:11.039 there's a rock stack sitting at my camp that wasn't 392 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:13.759 there when I got there. So just in the time 393 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:17.680 that I went from the camp and it's probably was 394 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.160 probably six hundred yards up to the pavilion, check in, 395 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.400 get my hat, get all my beach foot goodies, and 396 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:29.319 head back to camp. There's a rock stack there that 397 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:32.200 happened in that period of time, just kind of like 398 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:35.839 a welcome here. But Rainier was the first spot. Then 399 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:40.480 I went from Rainier, I took Marie Dumont and her 400 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:44.799 partner Bob, and a couple of the boys from the 401 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:50.160