Speaker 1: I have no interest in proving they exist. I already
know they do. You know, when I was face to
face that pretty much submitted what I was looking at,
And even though I didn't believe it, I had no choice.
When you're two feet away from something that's about nine
foot four four feet across the shoulders, three feet deep
in the chest, and you're looking eye to eye with it,
its eyes are illuminated, there was no light to illuminate
them with. And it's a series in your mind pretty
much guarantees that you're going to become a believer.
Speaker 2: Like right now, this is Bigfoot Crossroads.
Speaker 3: My name's Matt and joining me is William Morris. William
is the founder of the Sasquatch puzzle Man. What a
fitting name, William, Thanks for joining.
Speaker 1: Me, Well, thank you. I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 3: So we were talking a little bit earlier about some
unfortunate news that seems to be spreading around about a
man that seems to be your mentor, Tom Kintrell, someone
who's very well known and well respected throughout the Bigfoot world.
He's a come to the end of this journey and
starting his new journey.
Speaker 1: Would you like to talk about that? Absolutely well. I
worked great yards. So when I got home this morning,
I got the news that the Tom had passed. But
I want to let you folks know he's still with us,
but he's in and out. He's in the transition period.
He made it through the night, but he's not expecting
to make it through the day. Tom and I met
when he was writing the book Sasquatch Face to Face.
Somebody had posted a friend of mine had posted that
another researcher that Tom was looking for stories of people
that have had actual face to face adventures with the
Sasquatch people. And well, mine was about as close as
you get to face to face because I could reach
out and touch him. That's how close we were. And that
was in my second sighting. But Tom has been my teacher,
my mentor. He's been there for when I thought I
was going a little bananas because of some of the
things I have witnessed in the presence of these majestic people.
I call him force people because that's what they are.
They are people. But Tom has held my hand through
it all and guided me, and I just wish him
God's speed that he goes quickly and easily with no pain.
And his wish is to come back as a Sasquatch.
So I hope to meaning before I transition as a Sasquatch.
You know, that would be an amazing thing. That would be. Yeah,
that's always been his wish is to become a Sasquatch
in his next life. So we'll see. Should be interesting
because they've told him absolutely, you know, I mean, he's
you know. The whole thing is is when I met Tom,
and I wrote chapter twenty six, which is my own
chapter in Sasquatch Face to Pace. Thank god, that's been
like seven years ago, I think somewhere around near six
or seven years ago. And I never thought I would
be doing what I'm doing right now. If there wasn't
for Tom, you folks would not know anything about me.
I've been having experiences with him since I was sixteen
years old, and I wanted nothing to do with them.
But things changed and later in life here and I
was able to meet people like Cliff Perrikman, Ken Gerhart
and you know, people in that top group that I
was absolutely able to get my experiences off my chest
and had somebody I could actually speak with that didn't
look at me like a deer in the headlights and
like I'm crazy and the risk has been history, you know,
And I probably met with Tom, and about a year
and a half after that, you know, after finally getting
my story out to somebody, and actually it was Mark forself,
our eight canyan expert that I actually first told my
story other than anybody in my family, you know, is
something that I kept secret for thirty eight years. And
now I'm in a year forty five of experiencing these guys.
And it is because of Tom that I decided this
is something I'd like to do. So now I started
as a researcher March twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, and
it was actually to call BS on Tom, which I've
told Tom many times. I said, you know, be honest
with you. I was out there to call BS on
you and your techniques and lo and behold. The first
time I went out with the intention of seeing one,
I actually was in the company of two of them,
and one of them was the one that I saw
when I was not when I was sixteen. It was
a different one, but not soon about eight months later
and I call him Big Sober. I asked for him
to come and connect with me and they did. Wow.
And that's what I was like, Uh wow, Uh there's
something to what Tom does. Instead of excuse me, call
on him out and proven me wrong, I actually proved
him right. And uh so I've been hooked ever since.
I've had eleven sightings right now up to this point,
and uh I hope to have a thousand more because
I'm I'm very active in the field. If you go
to the Sasquatch Puzzle on Facebook, uh you'll see the
stuff that's on there. That's a new site. I just started.
This started a team. Matter of fact, Ron Moorehead is
one of my team members who has never been a
part of the team in all the years. Believe it
or not, he's going out with hundreds of different researchers,
but he's never been part of a team. And uh
so it's it's quite an honor to have him there.
And it consists of me, my friend Stan Schumlick. Stan
Shemlick worked in Hollywood, he worked in law enforcement, did
a lot of things. Matter of fact, if you like
Casper the Ghost I do you ever saw Casper was
his baby? Oh wow? He designed Casper for the movie
and did all the effects and everything and stands is
an expert in lighting, shadowing, all that stuff. And one
of the things that was great and what got him
started in this was through to Todd Nice and they
were in a conversation about infrasound. And you know, for
him being in Hollywood and the things that he does,
you know, he kind of has to be an expert
in sound. And that's what brought him into the puzzle.
And because Todd invited him out of the blue to
the last to the last beach pot and that's where
Stanton I'm at. Then I decided to teach him out
for a day just for afterwards, you know, for a
little lesson. I was going to teach him about tree
breakstree structures, staying with a total skeptic, absolutely a total
skeptic on the subject. Matter of fact, if you'd said
anything to him before he got with me, he would
have laughed, you know, if you told him your big
Foot story and stuff, and you know it kind of
mocked you. And you know he had he had no
belief in it whatsoever. So I took him out for
a class and we got together and was the first
day we went out, well, he had two sightings. Wow,
the second day. We went out. The very next day,
he had two more sightings face to face with my
juvenile JJ, and the rest is history. I started. I
asked Tea months that, you know, they really like you.
Four sightings of two days, they really like you, And
so I invited him to start a team. And the
Sasquatch Puzzle was born. So everything that's on that site
is just since August early September. Wow, that's just the
things that we found this year. There's five trackways in
there that we found, and some of it I actually
I found them for the most part, but we went
and all casted them together here recently, and I've got
so many prints sitting on my coffee table here there's
no room for anything. Yeah, we've it's been quite an adventure.
Speaker 3: How did this all start for you? You talked about having
a sighting when you were just sixteen years old.
Speaker 1: I was. I was sixteen years old. I lived in
Myrtle Creek, Oregon, and I lived about three and a
half miles from town out in the country. And my
first experience it was during the hunting season of nineteen eighty,
which is you know, between It was somewhere in October,
either towards the end of October or early November, which
is at the end of the season, and I was hunting.
I had permission to hunt the property I was on
out there, and I come over the hill right behind
the place where I lived on the property is a
big ranch called the s Diamond Ranch. And as I
come over the hill, which is just fifty yards from
my bedroom, and come down this little roadway that was there,
I saw something move and I looked over and my
brain did not want to believe I was looking at
a sasquatch. My brain wanted to believe I was looking
at a giant rabbit, like there was any such thing
as that. Yeah, this giant rabbit is about seven and
a half feet tall, and yeah, but I'm standing there
with my hunting your right. I never raised it towards it,
you know, because I've always learned, don't shoot in anything,
and once you plan on eating, well, I didn't plan
on eating a sasquash, but or a giant rabbit. So
but that's where my whole adventure began. And I was
at sixteen years old. Then my next sightings were back
to back. Was about eight months later and last end
of May early June nineteen eighty one. I was just
getting out of school. For that I was in high
school and I was actually my mother and I had
gotten into an argument, and so I stormed off walked
to town, which I often did. I walked everywhere. Even
though I had actually owned fourteen cars at the time.
I used to buy them, fix them, sell them. You
know that I was quite I could talk in a
little old lady out of her Faul's chief back. That
was a great car salesman. Yeah. My next sighting was
my face to face that is in Tom Cantrell's book
Sasquashed Face to Face, and we started my adventure with Tom.
But that one I was they had calmed down, decide
I was going to head home. This is like eleven
thirty at night, and I'm walking along. I get a
mile out of town. I still got two and a
half miles to get home, and I hear four footsteps
and they were quite heavy. I was like, well, sounds
like an elephant walking or a horse, or you know,
a could be an elk. I don't know, you know.
And the fourth step, I turned to my right and
it was standing right there was a three about a
three foot drop off a little over three feet off
the edge of the roadway, and we were looking face
to face and that was and I was close enough
that I could reach out and touch him. Wow, I did,
I didn't because I was terrified. I was absolutely terrified.
I heard the phrase, and the phrase that sticks out
in my mind is a bolt of fear. It's like
something just hit you with lightning and you are frozen.
I couldn't move, and all I can say is feet,
don't fail me, now, you know. And it's like, Pete,
you're failing me because I couldn't move and I'm just
sitting there and we're staring at eye. It was probably
for about two to two and a half minutes, and
then he just turned and walked away. Never tried to
hurt me or anything, never was aggressive. We just sat
there and looked at each other and he took three
steps off and I never heard another sound after that,
And so that was my second sighting. Then about week
and a half later, I was getting ready for bed.
I'm climbed in bed. My mom was at the other
end of the place and she was in and I
walked to my back window facing the hill that i'd
walked over to saw the first one, and I saw
the glowing eyes that I had seen when I was
face to face, and it's like always right there. And
he just squatting probably thirty feet from my bedroom window,
up on the hillside, next to a tree, and apparently
stayed there all night long. Well, I crawled in bed
and got in a fetal position, and all I can
say is Blue, don't kill us. Because I knew nothing
about the Fast Watch people. Matter of fact, I wanted
nothing to do with them at all. Even after these sightings.
I wanted nothing to do with them. I was like,
I know you're there, I know you're there. Just please
leave me alone, you know, because who are you going
to tell? First of all, this is back in nineteen eighties,
you know, who are you going to tell? I go
to the place to go report it. They're going to
laugh me out of town because I do them all.
You know, they all knew me. They're gonna go, Yeah,
Bill kind of went nuts, you know, And that's all there.
You know, people are gonna you're kind of crazy, you know.
But now it's just it's a common thing, and more
and more people are accepting that, well, maybe there is
something there and there's a lot of things out there
we don't understand. But my mom that night on that
third siding, when he was outside my window, this lasted
all night long and just feeling watching, watching, watching, and
she was actually frozen in her bed like she was
being hit by infrasound. And she says, I couldn't move
all night. And when she got up the next morning,
I kind of rushed out there because the feeling kind
of finally dissipated. And this is about six in the morning,
and I'd heard my mom's stirring and she was finally
able to move and get up, and I was like,
how do you sleep? She says, I didn't And I
said I didn't either. Let me tell you what happened.
And then she understood that there was something there. Wow.
Then about another week went by and her and I
were in and out in the driveway and this is
the fourth siding, and uh, my mom actually caught it
because I told her about his eyes were green and
they glowed, and it's it wasn't eye shine, they glow
from within. You know, everybody talks about eyeshine. No eye
shine is when you get a beer in the headlights, right,
you know, there was no light. You know, when I
was face to face with him, I was in a
spot that was very dark, and the thing I'm looking
at is glowing, and you know, I could just barely
see the outline of what I was looking at. And
probably because when I saw the first one, it's like, oh,
you still don't believe. So he decided I'm going to
make it really close to Paris so he can't deny
what he saw. But we're standing in top of the
driveway and it's dusk, but it's not dark yet, you know,
it's just the sun that just crested it over the hills.
And while I was sitting there talking with my mom,
she she's like, oh, what that and drew my attention.
That way as far across the field from the neighbor's place,
across the way of their pasture, there's a tree line
that goes across their pasture between the two properties, and
it's about less than a quarter mile away, so you
can still see pretty clear and just still very light out,
and we watched him about every third step would turn
back and look our direction as it was across the
property that we were on, across the road and was
going across the property the other side, but it was
in the tree line, and I never seen anything move
so smoothly through the forest. It's like there was no
trees on the ground, no nothing in the way. They
just glided. And we watched him across the through the
tree line and across and then we washed him walk
up the mountain on the other side, and you know,
about every three steps he'd look back directly at it.
And I felt a little different this time when I
saw him. I wasn't as terrified, and it was kind
of like they were saying goodbye. Yeah, you know, like, well,
we'll see in thirty eight years. I got to say,
they're pretty patient. But yeah, we watched him walk over
the mountain. And then I was bodybuilding and I ran
every day getting in shape and staying in shape, and
I was all over those mountains. I used to matter
of fact, there was a mountain I used to run
to the top. I started out in a walk to
get to the top, and I'd have to stop thirty
times before I got there. Then I got to where
I could walk and jog and walk and jog till
you know, I'd get to the top of the mountain
and then I got to where I could outrun my
dog to the top of the mountain. Wow. Yeah, And
so I got in some really good shape, especially running uphill,
you know, because it was over a mile uphill, and
it was not exactly it went to the back of
my uncle's property, and I could not the way he
moved and got over that mountain. That only took oh gosh,
I'd have to say it was only about six or
seven minutes. If I had done the same path, it
probably would have taken me at least thirty to forty
five minutes. Jeez. Yeah. So I was quite impressed. And
then I just tried to forget about all that stuff
after that for thirty eight years, just kept that inside.
Even my mother and I didn't discuss it much, you know,
it was just more like, you know, okay, we have
a shared experience together. A matter of fact, we have
a couple of them together. And because the first time,
you know, when I told her, I said, you know,
I didn't quite figure she believed me. Yeah, But after
you know, she saw it for herself, it was a
whole different story.
Speaker 3: Do you recall anything previous to those events where maybe
they were already around and you just didn't realize it.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know about anything about tree knocks,
structures anything like that, you know, a matter of fact,
they were completely off my radar. We didn't have things
like not finding Bigfoot. Sorry, Cliff, I love you, but
you know, you know, to kind of help us kind
of get into the mode of finding different things, which
you know, they didn't even go into depth on a
lot of those things, right, you know, but you know
I learned a lot of it by just getting out
there and doing and finding things going and what we
do as a team especially is look for what doesn't belong.
You know, what is what am I looking at? You know,
I probably walked past a thousand structures and tree brakes
and everything and never knew or even had any kind
of understanding that there could have been something that built
that It wasn't natural, happened naturally. Now I can't unsee
it wherever I go, it doesn't matter. I've been find
structures that have found structures in Canada, in Washington State
with Tom Cantrell. A matter of fact, first time Tom
and I went out, we went up to barber Shops
area where she does one of her camps off the
Green River, and I found footprints that were fresh tree
breaks and some tree weaves and stuff right there. And
what Tom was hoping I would see what He absolutely
took me to. This one spot which is just above
her camp, is just a short little road. It's blocked off.
Is there's a tree, an arch tree. It's actually two trees,
one from each side of the creek weave together in
a large arch, which he did you see that? I said, yeah,
but I got cooler stuff in that in my area
as Tom, Wait, did you see my pictures? Let's put
it this way. I have over fourteen thousand pictures on
my hard drive of the past five years of me
doing my research. Wow, just tree breaks, structures, tree twists.
And you know, if we were live on video right here,
I could show you the prints that I've found, which
you've seen on my site tree breaks. I don't know
if you got to see the really cool tree breaks
that's got like five twists in it, I don't think. So. Yeah,
there's a short little video on there. So anybody that
goes there, school down there is got to understand that
this is only this site isn't that old. It's very recent,
Like I said, somewhere around the last of August or
September is when I started the site, and all that
stuff that's on there is everything from that point on,
So it's just the last you know, six months or
so or less.
Speaker 3: How did you find that?
Speaker 1: I just travel the roots. And the whole thing is
is once you learn what you're looking at, you can
unsee it. You can be going down the freeway at
eighty miles an hour in spot a tree structure and
be hitting the brakes going, well, I got to go
check this out. It's that simple. Once you get the
mindset and what you're doing and what you're looking for,
it's actually everywhere. That's what people don't understand. They're everywhere.
They're not just in one localized area. They're not just
in little spaces here and there, but everywhere I go.
A matter of fact, let me, I wrote down here
just this last year. This is just this is just
in the past year since July. Okay, rain Er, Oregon.
That was Beachfoot. When I got to Beachfoot, I found
my camp. I told Todd which one I wanted long
before I got there, before the season started, and so
I went down found my spot. Then I went from
there up to pavilion where Todd was to check in
and do everything for Beach Book. When I came back,
there's a rock stack sitting at my camp that wasn't
there when I got there. So just in the time
that I went from the camp and it's probably was
probably six hundred yards up to the pavilion, check in,
get my hat, get all my beach foot goodies, and
head back to camp. There's a rock stack there that
happened in that period of time, just kind of like
a welcome here. But Rainier was the first spot. Then
I went from Rainier, I took Marie Dumont and her
partner Bob, and a couple of the boys from the
Red Dirt Cryptids in your neighborhood, Oh, mister h was
Brian Treillah, and we all went out. I took them
all out because Rae went rain and I have been
friends and been talking for a long time and and
she said, well, can you take us on an adventure
after Beach Book because we're going to stay weak. I'ment, oh, absolutely,
you know I will. So I took him out to
Mount Hood Wilderness by near Trillium Lake. We were about
a mile a little over a mile from Trillium Lake,
and uh, I say, to camp because you know, this
was an adventure I was giving to them. That was
my gift to them. And they went out. They found footprints,
they found tree twist and some little oddities and stuff
through there, and uh the first night there wasn't much
going on. But the second night, Bob and I were
sitting up by the fire everybody else had go into bed,
and uh, he thought he heard a dog barking, but
it didn't sound quite like a dog. And he looked
at me and he says, you hear that. I said, no,
I did I miss that? And then I caught the
next one. I went interesting. So we walked over this
area on the other side of where I was camping
to get a clearer listen of it. And what we
heard was like that, and there was five vocalizations like that.
I said, I looked at him. That ain't no dog.
I said, that's a big foot sasquatch vocalization. And we
heard tree knocks all the way back. And then things
kind of settled down for a while, and uh, so
he decided he's going to bed because we hadn't heard anything. Well, actually,
in between there, we heard a nine hundred pound bullfrog.
Because sasquatches like to mimic things, sure, and it sounded
like a bullfrog, but it wasn't a bullfrog. And when
it went off, Bob looks at me and I looked
at him, and he said, gotta sound like a bullfrog.
But that wasn't a bullfrog. It was a bad imitation.
I said, yeah, it's a nine hundred pound bullfrog. We
started laughing, and it's like probably seventy five feet from us,
and so he decides to go to bed. After everything
kind of settled down, I go laying my chant. Next
thing I know, there's tapping. I had a cast iron
pan out because I just bet everybody dinner, made a
nice spaghetti dinner for them all, and I'm laying there
and all of a sudden I heard a little shuffle outside.
I'm like, oh, probably raccoon, you know, coming up because
we're next to this little marshy area. And next thing
I know is there's this tapping on my cast iron pan,
and I consistent tapping, tapped for like thirteen times, and
I was like, oh, it takes hands and nail or
her fingers. Something do to with tapping like that. So
I was like, okay, I got a visitor and he's
right outside my tent, and so I started a conversation
with him. You know, I was laying out. I was
actually playing Soda Crush on my phone. So as soon
as I set that down and everything got the light down,
you know, and it all stopped. So I was like, okay,
I waited a few minutes, Okay, nothing, So I started
playing my game again. It lights up my tent, you know,
because of my phone coming on and tap tap tap
tap tap tap tap tap tap again. So I'm like
to shut my phone down, get it dark, you know,
And I started talking with him, start a conversation with him.
And this let went on for half an hour, and
this little thing back and forth with me and this visitor,
which I pretty much have to assuming was a sasquatch.
And the third time it happened, I'm playing my game again.
I was like, okay, I'm playing my game. Do you
mind if I play my game? And I guess they
got frustrated, and when he went off, then I heard
something hit my tent. It was something really light, and
so I told Marie involved and everybody when we all
got up the next morning, I said, yeah, I said,
after all this, I said, something hit my tent. But
it was really light, you know, and I'm out in
an area where there's no trees, you know, I'm right
at the end of the roadway and there's nothing around
me that could you know, hit my tent. You know,
if it fell out of a tree, you know, it
would have to jump about you know, forty yards or so. Yeah,
And Marie and I explored around the back of my
tent and I found this crushed daisy and I picked
it up and I went, oh, that's interesting, I wonder
and I looked at Marie and I threw it up
on the top of my tent. That's the sound, I said. Oh,
Sasquatch gave me a flour as he was partying. So
I have that daisy still. I have every gift they
ever gave me. I've got little hearts, set of stone
and stones that and the whole thing is is the
stones that I have a very large quartz crystal stone
that was gifted to me from my Sasquash group. And
then I've seen others post the same exact shape of stone. Actually,
uh Senate posted one and I went, Actually, I got
the same exact shaped stone, and I said, I know
a few other people that have the same exact shaped
stone and which kind of looks like them their head
in a side profile view, you know, with the sagittal
crest in the whole nine yards, but you can see
the nose, the eyes, you know, in the whole nine
yards that when you turn the stone sideways. I went,
that's pretty darn interesting that several of us have been
gifted something like that. So, but the next place I
went to after Mount Hood, well not right after Mount
The next thing I went to was a Sasquash summerfest
and Oakridge, Oregon, with Priscilla Roseman in the Rose and
Ron and I have become really good friends. In Priscilla
and I have been really good friends. And I was
sitting having coffee. My kids were on their way up
because it was the first camping trip. If my kids
are coming up and I get to a camp a
night with my grandkids and there my grandkids were really
interested in sasquatch. But I'm sitting there in the morning,
looking across the Wilamotte River and just enjoying my coffee
and getting myself awake and then out between two trees
across the river, my juvenile pops up. They followed me everywhere. Wow.
So and I have proof of that. There was something
that happened at Oakridge the year before with doctor Arianna Love.
She's one of the actually top naturropathic doctors in the world,
and I'd met her there and there was a whole thing.
I did interviews, which Aeremiah Byron on it. Matter of fact,
to Jeremiah, I kind of helped him facilitate his per
sasquatch sighting on that weekend. So it's there was actually
five sightings generated and most of them were misas questions
that followed me up by the description that they gave me.
Then Uh I went to uh let us say, I've
been to uh Drew, Oregon, which is where my partner
or no true is where my research area is. It's
near Tiller, Oregon. It's pretty much as the Rogue Unquad divide,
so it's basically wilderness area and that's where I've had
all my stuff and that's where I started with my
fist siding calling Tom out and I had my sighting there.
I have stands, had five sidings there so far. Like
I said, they really like him. The last one was
that we were we had just filmed one of our
episodes for YouTube called Twist to Tuesday, and what he
did is he put it in a timeline on that
so you can check a timeline on it as to
every discovery we made that day, and people like Ron
that told us that, you know, my old partner al
Berry would have looked at you guys and said, you're
full of it, that you can't find all this stuff.
So that's what inspired stand to when he did this
video to put timeline stamps on everything we found that day,
so you can see, well, one's like five minutes from
the other one, the other one was like ten minutes away,
the other one's about twenty minutes away, the other one
is another five minutes and this and so on and
so on and so on in only being out for
five hours. And this is my research. These are things
I hadn't even discovered yet that we're there. So it's
nice to have an extra pair of eyes, yeah, you know,
to find this stuff. So you know, because there's another
perspective I.
Speaker 3: Wanted to ask you. You mentioned the area being where
you went to originally Tom out on bs M.
Speaker 1: That's the one and Drew what happened?
Speaker 3: What did you do?
Speaker 1: Exactly? And you know, it's what Tom calls in his books.
That was the whole thing is. You know, Tom wasn't
really showing me a lot of stuff. We're talking a
lot of stuff, but you know, we had lots of
conversations back and forth. But he has this thing called
armchair squatching, and this is his thing. That's where you
just kind of pack a lunch, take a book with you,
take a share, whatever you know, and you just go
out in the woods and just get one with the woods,
listen to all the sounds of the woods, everything that's
happening out there, and try to connect with them. And
so I get out there and this is what I'm
calling bs AUDI. And a matter of fact, there was
another guy that was up in the area and I'd
stopped to talk to him because I thought maybe he
was lost or something. He said, I'm just looking for
places to write my quad And my intention was the
whole thing started the a week earlier. Actually, So what
Tom had said in a podcast that they connect with
you mentally and that connection can last for life. And
I'm like, okay, sure. Now I spent an entire week
thinking going, okay, I'm going to really try this out.
I'm going to try to project and connect with them
somehow in my mind and consciously that okay, I want
to meet you. And I would review the sightings I had,
like my face to pace and the one where he's
behind my place, and the one that we watched it
across the field. Those were all three of the same
sasquatch and I call him big Silber now, but then
he was blacker than black. It is like looking into
a black hole because they just absorbed the light. It's
just a It's really a strange thing to see. And
my juvenile is the same way, just blacker than black,
and just it's like a light vacuum, no reflection to
the hair or anything. It doesn't shine, you know, It's
just it's just a black void. And so I decided, okay,
I'm going to go up there. So on my way up,
I got to experience my first mind speak, which kind
of freaked me out a little bit. I didn't know
anything about it. I was figuring, okay, this is telepathy.
Everybody calls it mine speak, which I didn't know until
you know, after this happened. But I was getting ready
to turn off on the main highway and I still
have another fifteen miles to drive. But as I'm turning off,
I hear the booming voice in my head, We're not
going to meet you where you want to meet, Because
I spent the whole week of rolling over everything in
my mind that I wanted to meet that particular Sasquatch
and that and where to meet. There's a place that
I've hunted. I've been up there since God, since I
was sixteen seventeen years old. I've gone. I know every
inch of the mountain. I walked every inch of it.
And there's a space, a prairie area that I was
concentrating on and picturing in my mind, you know, because
like I say, I know every square inch of this
mountain and this is where I want to meet you guys.
But as I turned onto that highway, that big booming
voice came out said We're not going to meet where
you wanted to meet. And I'm looking all over my friend,
going where the hell did that come from? Because it
kind of it kind of freaked me out. I was
not expecting that it's nothing that's everything never happened to
me before. Or I just thought, okay, Bill, calm down,
you're starting to lose it. Something very strange is going
on here, and so, you know, I just kind of
put it in the back of my mind. But when
I got up there after I talked to this gentleman,
you know, I drove up as far as I could,
and I hit a wall of snow, you know, about
five feet deep and uh because which means at the
top there's it was probably fifteen feet deep. So the
road didn't go through yet things hadn't melted off because
it goes all the way up over five thousand feet
on this mountain where I'm at, and there's another area
called that I called the truck. I dubbed it's a
triangle marsh because it's a triangle shape little marsh, and
I was like, well, okay, this looks like the place.
The other guy caught up with me, and so we
chatted up for a little bit and stuff, and then
he took off. But at the time he and I
were chatting, there was another truck that flew by, and
we're laughing as he goes by and go out, he'll
be back in a minute. Sure enough he's turned around
headed back the other way. Yep, you're not getting through.
So we finished our conversation. I well, I guess this
isn't a good place as any So I grab my
lunch because I'm doing everything that Tom instructed me to do.
And another thing that he instructed me to do is
don't pay attention to him when they're there. You know
they're there. You can look over once in a while,
you know, you said, But the more you ignore them,
the longer your sighting will be. My signing lasted forty
five minutes. Wow that day. Oh well, I've had longer ones.
But so I grabbed my lunch. I went down through
the woods and stuff, and I'm looking around. Okay, worre
it's a good spot. Well, you know, I want to
look out over the marsh, so I have a good
view of the area and everything. And there's this Douglas
spur root that comes out. The thing's geez, probably i'd
say ten inches in diameter that came out into like
a little bench. I went, oh, this is perfect. I
can sit here, I can look out over the field.
And guess what book I brought with me, sasquatch face
to Face by Tom Cantrell. I hadn't completely read it yet,
so I pay, oh, well, this is a good opportunity
to read it while I'm out there. So I sat
down and relaxed for a minute or so, went yeah,
this is a good spot. Kick back on that little bench.
And the first thing in my head is and I
thought this. I didn't say it out loud. I just
thought it, Okay, give me a tree knock. Damn it wasn't.
Just half a second later I got a tree knock,
and it was seemed like it was probably about a
quarter mile away to my southwest. Okay, maybe that was
an anomaly. So I started reading a book. I'm relaxing there.
Then the next thing I know, I hear a whistle
to the south of me, and then I hear another
one to the west of me. Then I heard one
directly to the north of me, behind me on the hillside,
and uh, it was like a tactical whistle, you know,
them telling each other, Okay, I'm here, i'm here, I'm here.
You know, they've got me surrounded on three sides. But
they left aside to my vehicle open. So if I
wanted to make a mark, if they wanted to march
me out of there. They had no problem doing that,
you know, they could just direct me back towards the vehicle.
So here the hell out of me. But by this
time I've already lost my pharaoh, you know. And what
did that was a podcast I've seen that guy said
they never tried to hurt me. And I thought about
it and perseverated on that, which is, you know, overthinking
about it. And I went, you know what, I had
four sightings. Every time there was no aggression. They never
tried to hurt me. Why am I so terrified? And
I dropped the fear And that's what made all the
difference in the world. So I'm sitting on that bench.
The whistles went on, and I'm like, okay, and I
look up and I've looked out field and there's wait
a minute, what is that. I see this sill relooking
bush there, and I'm going, now, I know there's no
bush there? What am I looking at? And I got over,
I got up, stood up and looked at it about
three different times. By the third time, I went, oh,
you're here. Is hairy turned silver? You know it still
has black. You can see both colors it's like the
ends were silver and the inner part closest to his
body were still black, and which would make sense because
we're both probably he's probably been older than me, probably
at least ten or fifteen years, if not more. So
it made sense to me, Well, you know the hair
is going to change color. You know, their's is like
cars or they've reported every color that you could, you
know the humans have of the sasquatches. So I thought, okay, well,
what he was kind of sitting on his heels with
his knuckles dragtly in front of him. And one of
the questions I had was how do they hide in
plain sight and not be seen? Well, he's showing me,
and he showed me. He had his knuckles to the
ground in front of him and his head down so
you couldn't see his eyes, and he just looked like
a bush. If I'd been out there walking, I could
have come within feet of him still wouldn't have recognize
that there's a sassoure sitting there. So that kind of
amazed me. Yeah, I went, oh, I understand, now, okay,
this is how you that's where these people are going. Yeah,
I was watching a tree stump and it got up
and walked away. I understand that, you know, because they
consider for hours like a statue. He never moved one
single hair, you know. That's in the forty five minutes
he was sitting there. But once I recognized it was him,
I sat down, well, okay, And next thing I know,
directly to my west was three super fast tree knocks.
I mean it was like machine gun knocks. And I
was like, whoa. I should have been able to see
what was knocking. It was that close, you know, because
I can see him and through the woods, and I
didn't see it. I'm like, oh, that's interesting. So the
next time, you know, because I'm still trying to ignore him,
were there, you know, I'd get up every few minutes
to stretch my back and stand up and kind of
look over him. He's still there. And the next time
I got up, I looked over and his juvenile was
standing next to him. And I had to call Tom
after that because I'd never seen a juvenile. I never
even thought about a juvenile, I said Tom. I thought
it'd be bigger. He's like, well, you know, they got
to start out small. You know, he's a kid, you know.
Estimating me was probably about eight years old in sund
squash years, in which Tom agreed, you know, that's about
the age he would have been. Right now, he's right
around preteen or right just turned teenager, and he's filling out.
He's taller than I am, but at the time, it's
about five foot tall, standing next to his head on
his shoulder, and got that little rock back and forth,
you know, left or right, and and uh I look
up and I'm like, wow, sky hmm, that's a juvenile. Okay,
looks like a stick figure with hair because of hair
rut off the bottom of his arms about six inches,
you know. And and I swear you know, if you
ever see these these kids that live in their parents'
basement and the only thing they've ever lifted was a
video game controller, you know, their arms are like the
size of a pencil. And right, you know, that's what
he looked like, except you had hair. And I'm like,
oh wow. You know, I'm being introduced to the juvenile.
And that's the one I interact with most, is the juvenile.
And the citing lasted for forty five minutes, So after
it was over, I walked up th Road because I
knew the juvenile came from the west. So I walked
up the road to go look for Prince and I
found three prints and uh, you know, not a dig step.
The first step from foot the foot heel to heel
was a thirty two inch step. The next one was
thirty four inch and the next one was thirty four inches,
so I could see where he came from and you know,
and then hit it out to where you know, he
ended up with the other side of the marsh there,
which was only about it's about seventy five eighty yards
away and the rest is history. I mean, I was hooked.
I'm like, Wow, Tom's stuff really worked. It's what he
calls armchair squatching, but it works. And this is what
I'm going to be teaching people on the puzzle is
what happens is if you had a siding, they've already
chosen you. And that's the whole thing is. I don't
think she reveals themselves to people unless they choose them,
you know, and that's when they kind of show themselves
and they're kind of fishing poor a reaction like they
did with me when I was sixteen and seventeen, and
you know, my reaction was terror, which it is with
most people. And what I understand about that now is
that it's your own perception. You know. I was raised
with monster movies and everything. I couldn't wait to get
home from school because they were monster movies on. You know.
It was there were a show that was on and
they showed monster movies, you know, at a particular time.
And uh, you know, I watched all the utterly mins
and things growing up. And I'm not sure about your age,
but you know, we had a lot of monster shows
when I was growing up, for sure. And you know,
that's what gives me is everybody calls them, you know,
a monster, and it's like they're actually far from it.
They're so much like us, it's amazing. But they're not us,
you know, they think differently, but they can communicate with
you in any way they wish. They can do it
through mental telepathy, mind speak, they can do it with thoughts.
Because I'm constantly connected to them. They know everything that
I'm doing. And anytime they visit me in my house
and I live in town. They come into my house,
they moved things around to let me know they were there.
They deep gifts and I never thought that'd be happening either,
and Tom never mentioned that part. I actually learned that
from ar Le Collette Williams. You know that, you know,
because they're always leaving her gifts, and I have other
friends that they lead gifts. They've been into their car,
they've taken stolen their snacks. That little turn stole my sacks. Uh,
my son. Even in California, we found a trackway up here.
I had taken squashing them for the first time, and
we found a trackway over four hundred frants in the snow.
It was my entire Sasquatch family. It was from the
smallest one, which I call Toddles because it's toddler. I
still haven't met that one yet. I met the alpha
female and the juvenile, and I've known the other one
for you know, the whole forty five years. So it's uh.
And they've always been there whenever I'm out hunting in
the woods everything, even though I didn't want nothing to
do with them. I've heard them chatting in the woods
when I know there's nobody else out there, tree knocks,
I've had things tossed across my path many many times,
and you know, it's the time I never understood the
tree bricks, but I didn't know the tree knocks were them,
you know. I figured that out with before finding Big
Put and Expedition Big Put and all this stuff. I
already knew that that was them. And I hear that
and has heard it my entire life. Everywhere I go
in the woods, I get tree knocks. So it's quite amazing.
And I took a video recently called on my YouTube,
When and How I Became a Sasquatch Researcher, which tells
this particular story. While I was filming it, I was
out there solo. My partner now is going through it
right now and re edited in and what he's doing
is taking out my ms. Dell, you got too many
ums there with a pause, and I'm cutting that stuff out,
you know. He said, I'm trying to make you look intelligent.
I said, you know what, I'm watching the Senate hearings
and these senators out there doing the same thing. I said,
you know why we do it. It's because we're collecting
our thoughts, right So the next thing we're going to say,
you know, So I take this video and it ended
up a two parter. And the weird part is is
he's finding what is most likely infrasound. While I was
videotaping this, there was no wind, and he's looking at
the leaves behind me, going, well, it was windy you.
I said, do you hear wind on the microphone? He
said no, absolutely none. I said, there was no wind
at that time. The leaves behind me were vibrating. Oh wow.
My recorder actually shut off at one point towards the end.
That's why it ended up a two parter. And as
soon as it came back on, it should not have
come back on. Once you turn this thing, shut this
thing down, it stops period. You know, you have to
physically restarted and everything. And I didn't restart it. It
came on automatically, and just after it came back on,
I heard a tree knock. You know, I had no
idea I was getting hit with infrasound or anything else.
But he's working on getting through this one because there's
more stuff he's finding as far as the infrasound goes
and the sound anomalies. So we'll be uh reposting a
newer version of that that's been edited for this to
show the sound bars and everything when the sound went
crazy and he only found it because he was rewinding
and he watched the the sound bars go bananas. He's like,
what was that? And he started playing it back and forth,
going there's something here and it's inaudible. You can't it's
blow our hearing. And that's when he discovered, well, I've
got infrosound on that. So that's what he's working on
right now as well, and that should be out here shortly.
But I did that one several months ago, and that
was when I first started the puzzle because I wanted
people know this is you know where my restart started.
Speaker 3: Do you have any answers? So, like, obviously you're talking
about things that many people have repeated and said in
the past. You know, there's people out there experiencing these
things that have no explanation.
Speaker 1: We don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, how do they do the things they do?
How do they go from this spot in Oregon to
your house to California?
Speaker 1: Well they now they go all the way down. My
son lives just out of the Mahabi Desert in Landers, California.
Stan lives in Winston, or not Winston, but ten mile, Oregon,
which from here is right around ninety five miles from
my driveway. Beach Foot was in Rainier, Oregon, way up
towards the Oregon border, across from Vancouver, know than oak Ridge.
They followed me everywhere and they kind of act as
my bodyguard. But as far as answers go, man, every
time we get an answered a question answered, we have
a thousand more. Yeah. That's just the way this is it.
It is a bottomless rabbit hole. And that's the first
thing I told Stan the first day I took him out.
I looked at him, I said, are you ready for this?
And so yeah, yeah, I said, this is a very
cheap rabbit hole that really has no bottom. Oh, I've
been down rabbit holes before. Well oh boy, you said, yeah,
he's got a whole different opinion of the ex now
he's like, yeah, he said. The amazing part is that
once one questions answered, I got a thousand more. I said, exactly.
I said, this is endless, and it's going to be endless,
you know, as long as we do this for the
rest of our lives. But that's the reason I started
the Sasquatch puzzle. It's so hopefully people that work with
us to everybody has a piece of the puzzle. And
I've been saying this for years, and that's where the
name comes from. I've always said everybody has a piece
of this puzzle, and if we all start to communicate together,
we can put it into a bigger picture where we
can better understand them and maybe, you know, form better
relationships with them. And you know, because there aren't a
lot of people that have the type of relationship I have,
Tom had Arla has, you know, and other people have
with them. There aren't a lot of people out there
that are, but they don't talk about it. You know,
they help them on their property, They you know, been
interacting with them a long time, but they don't tell anybody.
You know. There's so many people out of there about
for probably every one siding, there's at least ten that
don't get reported, right or more. I would have to
say more than ten. I would be probably more of
the lines of twenty one in twenty is probably reported.
And who fort it to BFRO? Let me tell you
about this. The BFRO has over sixty six thousand sightings registered.
What do they let us see about six thousand? That's it?
What are they hiding and why are they doing that?
I think a lot of it is one thing you
don't find in their sight and in their sightings is
the wu part. They don't believe in any of that.
And the only way you get introduced to that part is,
first of all, if they're comfortable with you, they show
you more things, things that they can do. Why there's
two separate groups, It's ridiculous, it really is, you know.
And I used to be the same way. I was,
flesh and blood all the way. King Gerhart will tell
you he's like, no, no, Bill. And I s out
there and picked apart these other people's little things that
the conferences and stuff. We're laughing out and go, yeah,
other these guys are nuts, you know. L it happening
to me and I'm like, you know, just grabbing the throws.
That's when I started calling Tom, Tom. I think I'm
going banana, I said, you know, Tom, for three months,
I've been hearing my name called in the woods by
a woman. And this led up to my six siding,
which lasted an hour and a half. I actually sat there,
played my guitar to him and chatted with him. And
I actually have a photograph, actually two photographs from that day,
my Sasquatch female and her juvenile my little buddy JJ,
but I haven't had That was taken on a crappy
camera on my phone, my last phone, which was really
not a top of the line phone. But it is
actually fairly crisp and clear. And uh, I've got a
couple of people that are going to work on enhancing
that bring out more detail. I know there's a monkey
business you can do with gray scale and stuff, and
different things said it'll bring it out, but I've given
it actually to four different people and nobody's come through yet.
Speaker 3: But you did something that most people don't and that
is you know, you're talking about how much it would
benefit the entire Bigfoot community if everybody had just work
together and share information. And one of the key things
that you did that a lot of people don't do
is you ignored your preconceived opinions and theories and you
just tried it. You just listened and tried it just
to see for yourself. Hey, I'm just going to find
out if this really works or not. And it slammed
open barn doors for you.
Speaker 1: Well, that's it. And the thing of it is is
I watched Not Finding Bigfoot for ten years. You know
that Cliff and Bobo and I've never sorry, but I'm
not a moneymaker. Fan. Renne and I you know, chat
on occasion and uh, but all the stuff that they did,
I was sitting here. I'm a critical thinker, you know.
I use reasoning logic, you know. And that's the whole thing.
If you if you don't, you know, there's no point
in doing this right because I'd never do say when
I put out the videos and stuff that this is
actually Sasquatch. It's like I wasn't here. I didn't see
this being built, you know, So I can't say that
this is absolutely Sasquatch. Now I can see the footprints
are and I got plenty of them. But other than that,
you know, as far as proof goes, it's like I
didn't see it being made. So you'll you'll see me
in the video. Well you know, I'll always say, well
what do you think? You know? And that's the whole thing.
Is I put out one this morning. I don't know
if you saw it, but what it is is one. Uh.
It was from one of our videos called dream Weaver
and another researcher in Cottage Grove, her name is Anette Smith,
and the Nett pointed out when we first put that out.
She says the bill you need to go into about
the one minute ten mark. There's something there you need
to see, and we think we got photo bombed. So
Stan actually went in and he blew all that up.
It's only a couple of minutes long to video, and
you can definitely see this thing movie. It pops up
from the side of a tree. You can see the
heads and shoulders, you can see it move you can
see movement and and everything. It's like it wasn't something
we were expecting, and but we've been asking for We've
been telling them, Hey, guys, anybody we want a photobombas
that would be cool. You know, it'll go a long
ways to showing that you know, you are real, you know,
And I think we actually got one. So you'll have
to watch that and tell me what you think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. Do you think they have any interest
in being proven to exist?
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no interest in proving they exist.
I already know they do. You know, when I was
face to face, that pretty much submitted what I was
looking at. And even though I didn't believe it, I
had no choice. You know. It's like when you're two
feet away from something that's about nine foot four, it's
four feet across the shoulders, three feet deep in the chest,
and you're looking eye to eye with it. Its eyes
are illuminated, there was no light to illuminate them with.
And it's a series in your mind pretty much guarantees
that you're going to become a believer. Like right now,
there's no incensor. Buts He's like, now you believe it? Now?
Yes I do. Matter of fact, I was terrified, but yes,
I believe it.
Speaker 3: Why do you think that one chose to show itself
to you like that?
Speaker 1: Well, probably because of the way I am. I'm very
open minded, very calm, you know. You at the time,
you see, you know, fairly high vibing. It's the time,
you know, life changed me for a long this time.
But now I'm getting back up there and building my
own personal frequencies by changing my outlook on things and
the way I look at things. And I think they
understand that. And I think a lot of their stuff
when they want to interact with somebody is way pre planned.
They already know what's going on and when it's going
to happen, and where you're going to be, and you know,
it's it's not by accident. It is all with purpose.
So if folks are having a sighting, do you want
to have a relationship with him? Number One, lose your fear.
Lose your fear and triggering in for curiosity, and don't
be afraid. They've never tried to hurt me. You hear
all these horror stories, but you kind of realize people
are explaining things from their own perception and their own fears.
I have no fear. The only fear I ever had
was the Sasquatch. I used to be afraid of heights
and different things, and I faced them. I learned a
long time ago. I've read a lot of psychology growing up,
and it's like, you need to face your fears. We
make them up. We make up our own fears. That's
why everybody has different fears because you made it up.
Something happened along the line in your life, or you've
got an example from somebody else that caused you to
fear something like oh spiders, Oh no, you know they're
gonna eat me. No, I catch them up and let
them go outside, you know. So you know, I'm a
lot closer to nature than a lot of people are.
As well, you know, some people are couch surfers. They
live in the city and they never get themselves off
the couch and out in the woods, you know. So
and those are the ones the trolls that we get,
you know, that are calling bs on us because you know,
they don't believe in anything. And there's these people that
i spent my entire life in the woods and I've
never seen anything. Well, you know, first of all, maybe
they don't like you, you know, yeah, you know, you
know they have to. They choose you, you don't choose him.
I never thought I'd be doing this at this point
in my life. Ever, this was not on my radar
whatsoever at all. Sam too, Sand's whole life has changed.
That poor guy Kay has come a long ways in
a short period of time. I've taught him well, and
he's one hell of an asset because he used to
do you know, investigations for you know, the Sheriff's department,
and he's very stup, very observant and just amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, tell everybody where they can find your stuff. I'm
sure the listeners are going to want to check out
these videos. You've got some amazing track way evidence posted
on your Facebook page that I was looking over. I'm
particularly fond of the tracks, and I guess we're stalking
a goose.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I looked up what type of bird? And
everybody's going, well, you know, I'm like, well, what large birds?
Was a print this size? It never mentioned Canadian geese.
It said it could have been an egret, It could
have been a heroine. It could have been a wild turkey,
you know, a very large wild turkey. But we were
there a few weeks ago and we actually found another trackway,
which that'll be up here whenever Stan gets to it.
And that one was a fifty two inch step, fifty
four inch step, fifty four inch step, and we tried
to step it, step it off to see if we
could do it. I was first one to do it.
He filmed it, and I can't do it now. If
I was running, that would be a different thing. But
it was actually a another researcher friend of mine, Mark Gould,
who used to live here in Salem, but he's moved
back to I say, Arkansas. He's not that far from Todd.
Todd d and uh he said, uh, you know, Bill,
I saw that video and it looks like they're stalking
the bird. I'm like, well that makes sense, you know.
And and so we were out a few weeks ago,
Sat and I and uh we were down there. We
found that one track way, but there was some geese
down there, and uh so I'm looking at fresh tracks
from the geese because we kind of chased them off
a little bit because we were looking for tracks. And uh,
I looked down at the footprint the foot and I
went and I measured it, and that's it. He's like
what I said, they were tracking a goose. The goose
makes an imprint just like that. And I said, there
it is right there, that's the same exact imprint, and
so we had ascertaining it. Well, that's it's likely that
they were stalking a goose. Well, you know, we like
to eat goose. They are cuite cristy. So and that's
what it looks like is they were they were probably
stocking a goose, because just after that we're the tracks disappear,
which the goose was probably flying off or you know,
started to leave the ground, and a lot of the
cast we have a lot of toe slips from them,
you know, running or accelerating to maybe running catch the thing.
You know, so it was probably starting to take flight
when the tracks of the goose disappeared. But their tracks
all of a sudden you could see all the toe
slips and everything that was happening. Is they're they're going
after it. So it made sense to us to you know,
looking at things and putting it all together, that that's
probably what happened. So it was really interesting. But as
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I got together and started this whole thing. So I
never thought I'd be taking on a partner, you know,
But when they liked him, so much that he had
poor sightings in two days. And all the things that
he and I found that were in my own area
that I've been going to for five years and I
never found him. Yeah, and he started spotting all these
things because I taught him very well. He was a
past study, very quick study, and he started seeing all
these things and go, wait, wait, Rakes. You know, some
days we get up there and we go fifty feet
and we found something else. Then we go one hundred yards,
we find something else. You're another fifty feet something else.
And it was just saying after thing after thing, and
it was just incredible. But yeah, the sasquatch puzzle. And
the reason, like I said, I named it is because
we all have a piece of that puzzle. And the
coolest thing is is if we all start to share
and talk with each other about all these things, we
get a bigger picture, you know, because everybody has a
different experience. I think they choose people for different missions
to do things. And part of mine is debunking that
they're monsters. They're not monsters, you know. They think that, oh,
you know, the males wander and they gather somewhere for
breeding season, all what a bunch of bs as far
as I can tell, the ones that I have interacted with,
and I've interacted with five different clans now of Sasquatch,
and but the ones that I mainly go or the
family unit that I study up in the jew area,
and as far as I can tell, they're monogamous. They
stay together. He was the same lady Sasquatch. And you
know the coolest part is she looks like Patty. Oh wow.
And the whole thing is is as far as from
there to Bluff Creek is only around one hundred miles
as the crow flies, so it's a good possibility she
could be related to Patty. That would be something maybe
one of her daughters or her granddaughter. I don't know.
You know, I didn't ask her age. And you know
you've got yeah that's it. Oh yeah, Or you're in trouble,
pack your bag, you camping with the dog. But yeah,
I've had some amazing experiences this year. This last year
has just been totally off the hook. I got one
trackway this on there which I had the prints here
from Blue River, Oregon up in the Lamba National Person.
That's because of the the researcher Annett smith A Nette
had a siding there of two juveniles, and she wrote
me right away when she came back. They were up
there camping with family, and she posted or sent me
several pictures of footprints as well as tree structures, and
then just told me her story. So I went up
there to go investigate it because I used to live
in Springfield, which is, you know, about fifty miles away
from Blue River. And I went up there to go
do this on my own just after it was like
two days after she contacted me and said she just
had the siding up there. So I went up to
kind of corroborate the siding, but I never asked her
where it was exactly. I know where it is now
after the fact. But I thought, well, I know all
the spots up there. I've been going up there for
thirty years, you know, because I lived in the Springfield
Eugene area for a long time. But so I went
up there on my own. The first place I explored
up there, I was hearing what I described as mouth pops.
So there was a juvenile or maybe it could have
been adult. I don't know, but you know, I'm assuming
it was a juvenile because all the tracks. I found
them were juvenile and three different sizes, the same as
up here at the applegate. And I found trackaway probably
over one hundred prince and I casted probably about fifteen
of them. I left several behind because all of a
sudden a thunderstorm opened up on me. I was trying
to get up there before the thunderstorm started, and you know,
so if I found anything, I could cast them with stuff.
And at the last spot, I'm at the backside of
a coffer dam and I just said, well, you know, wow,
when I pulled up there the first time, I looked
down and go, man, that water's way down there, and
it's down a boat launch, which you know, they're pretty
darn steep, and I'm like, do I really want to
go down there and go look around? And uh, well,
I went up the road and I was looking for,
you know, any other spots. It's like, man, that's the
one logical place you know that I could find those,
aside from a campground there, which was closed, you know,
and I didn't want to kind of break into That's
where in that Hatter sighting was that campground, you come
to find out? You know, So I was gonna just
point I'd gone way down the road and turned around
and came back up and went back up to this
backside there, which is where me and my buddies used
to always put the boat in, and we I got
thousands of fish out of that place. But I said, okay,
I'm looking down there, going that's a long ways down there. Okay,
I'm going to do it. So I go hiking down
this thing, and it's like a quarter mile or more
down actually, it's probably closer to a half mile down
down the flats way below the launch area. And I said, okay,
I'm going to take a run down there and go
look around. And as soon as I got off launch
started watering down to the first flat. I started as
I found the footprints, and I found a lot of footprints.
I found the trackways there, and then I was measuring
away and I was like, well, I got three different
sasquatches here, and they're all juveniles, and uh so I'm like, okay,
now I got to walk all the way back up
the hill, go get my casting supplies, then drag them
all the way back down here, which I did, you know,
as quickly as I could, because I know these storms
are coming in and I've got to get this done
before I get out of there. And uh, most of
the casts because they, you know, I couldn't wait long
enough because the storm was hitting. I broke. But I
put them all back together, and most actually most of them,
you can't tell them I broke them. I did a
heck of a job of putting them back together, I'll
tell you. But yeah, with the first crack of thunder
that I actually felt in my chest, I knew it
was time to get out of there, because I was
the tallest thing out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's time to go at that point.
Speaker 1: So I was a little stressed and nervous and in
a hurry. So I left about five or six prints behind.
You know, I didn't wait, you know, for this thing
to blow over anything else because they were still soft.
They were soft to the touch, and I'm like, man,
you know, I'm just going to have to deal with
what I got and sacrifice those and get myself out
of here. You know, this is two hundred and fifty
miles from my house, you know, for me to drive
all the way up there from where I currently live
in Medford. But yeah, it's like I got a beat,
beat get myself out of here. But there was I
counted over over one hundred prints in that trackway, a
three individual, three juveniles, and that's where it started. And
now I keep finding juvenile trackways. I have found in
the past year six trackways, all juveniles, every one of them.
We've found a few adult prints mixed in here and there,
but they were washed out or you know, you could
just see that this is an adult print. You know,
we measure them and everything go, yeah, well that's an adult,
you know, or you know, a young adult by the
size and everything, and it's like, okay. Unfortunately, when I
found the trackway at oh, you've heard of the big
Foot Trap, right, yeah, for sure, Okay, well this is
less than a mile from the big Foot Trap. Oh yes,
that Applegate Lake. But yeah, it's been an insane year.
You know. I found the ones at Blue River, then
see my juvenile at oak Ridge. Then been through Rogue
River National Forest, fine prints there Red Views Wilderness, which
is near Applegate Lake. That's the backside headed towards California.
Because I'm only from there. I'm only you know, about
fifteen miles from the California and the Pacific Coast Trail
it's the road that I was going on up there
with some of the finds I found up there actually
is a drop off and pickup point for the Pacific
Coast Trail, oh Wow, Rogue River National Forests, the Waima
National Forest, Crater Lake National Park, plying evidence a Skylakes
Wilderness excuse me, which is the backside of Crater Lake.
If anybody knows, it's actually called Mount Masama is its
proper name. But you know the lake they called Crater Lakes,
so everybody knows it from by that of course, Rover
National Holders and the Taie Unit in Douglas County, which
is where Stand lives. As a matter of fact, my
last sighting, which was my eleventh siding, I was spending
the United Stands. We'd just done some filming that that
previous day, and I was up at five am and
I had to go. So I was camping in my
vand and I stepped out and uh to get a
little relief, And I look up across the backside of
his property. There's a road back and then the neighbor's
place on the other side of the road, and I'm
looking in the neighbor's yard and there's a sasquatch watching me.
I'm like, you mind, it's kind of a private moment.
And so there was my eleven siding right there at
stands place. He's got footprints that they leave in his
yard almost daily. It's just been something for him. Yeah,
he's he just he still knew it just but he's
still just amazed at everything that happens from day to day.
And he says, you know, I got I got two choices,
either run away from this and let it go, or
embrace it. And he chose to embrace it. And it's
the rest of the history.
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