WEBVTT 1 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:32.960 Hey, welcome back to calling all beings call him Boston Deal. 2 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:36.719 Hope you all are doing great tonight, So I have 3 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:41.039 the honor and pleasure tonight. We have two great guests 4 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:48.479 coming on, retired Sergeant Peter Murphy and retired attorney Val 5 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:52.439 hell Law. So unfortunately DJ is feeling a little under 6 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:56.359 the weather, so you have me for tonight as your host. 7 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:00.880 So thank you all for joining and with the further ado. 8 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:09.480 Let's see who's backstage? Hey, Hey, yes, I'll be like DJ. 9 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:10.239 Can we get in? 10 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:11.799 Aymen? Aymen? 11 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:14.640 Great to see you, Bia. 12 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:16.120 Good to see you too. 13 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:16.879 Val. 14 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:24.040 How are you so? 15 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:26.239 I think Val is on mute? 16 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:28.200 Okay, all right. 17 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:33.040 So there we go. Yes, all right, all right. I'm 18 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:34.159 sorry to hear about DJ. 19 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:39.040 That sucks, I know, but that's all right. He sent 20 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:45.159 me into a replacement. So how are you doing, Val? 21 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:47.200 I'm doing pretty good. 22 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:52.439 I'm looking at Peter and thinking he looks happier than 23 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:53.879 I've seen him before. 24 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.239 Are you thinking about the win yesterday? 25 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.319 Oh? You nailed it? You you going on with that one? Val? 26 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:05.120 And by the way, I'm very nice to talk to you, 27 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.199 meet you and discuss things with you. I'm really looking 28 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:11.439 forward to it. You can tell me a little more 29 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:15.879 about your Massachusetts history, I guess at some point. But yeah, no, 30 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.240 we are living the dream. After what happened last night. 31 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.360 You probably know what the vote count was. We were 32 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:26.560 thirty close to thirty three, one hundred to seventeen hundred. 33 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:33.719 It was a landslide and it was very, very positive, 34 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:36.000 and I think the town today had a great day 35 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:37.800 in general. I think they see the light at the 36 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.560 end of tunnel for improvement in the quality of life 37 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:41.280 for everybody. 38 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:51.479 That's right. So were you watching the val were you 39 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:54.199 watching the results of the election? 40 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.439 Yes, well I got a bit of a frenzy because 41 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.599 I was jumped around to all the different channels talking 42 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:05.599 about it, and it was a little confusing because a 43 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.759 lot of people were going off John Commo's stream, I think, 44 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:14.159 and then of course Mike get the Young Turks. It 45 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:18.400 was both very exciting and like such a relief, like 46 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:24.520 just oh my God, thank God. Like and I think 47 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:28.439 my follow up question for Peter, which you sort of 48 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:36.280 have already answered, is leading up to the election, did 49 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:38.400 you have a sense that this is the way it 50 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:38.800 would go? 51 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.599 Or was it like a nail blighter at the end. 52 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:47.759 Or well, I guess I could answer that with two responses. 53 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:54.639 That one would be I did the standouts holding Susan 54 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:58.439 Harrington signs for I think three out of the fall 55 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:01.639 weeks or whatever it was that we did standouts on weekends, 56 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:06.319 and we did them at three different locations or two 57 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:10.120 and three different locations in the town. And I can 58 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:12.319 tell you that we probably had a group of twelve 59 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.400 to fifteen on any time that we did a standout, 60 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:19.839 and the opponent, the incumbent, I'm not even going to 61 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.759 mention his name. His group was standing about twelve fifteen 62 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:28.360 feet to our right or towards the north, and the 63 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:32.439 people coming up to our left would see our signs first, obviously, 64 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.199 and they would beep and wave and thumbs up and 65 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:38.879 high five, and they were so animated, and it grew 66 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:41.360 with every weekend that we were there, and I mean 67 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:46.079 we just felt the momentum and I think the enthusiasm 68 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.800 that the town had had enough enough is enough, as 69 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:52.519 one of our signs that we hold out in front 70 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.720 of the police station twice a week, and I think 71 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:58.560 enough is enough set it all and they were ready 72 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.040 for change. They saw it, they saw the need for it, 73 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:06.079 and they pushed the buttons. It was good. Yeah, it 74 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:11.079 was really good. And we had, to Susan's credit, she 75 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:18.759 had a masterful organization for campaign organization. And they had 76 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:21.240 you know, I'm not going to say they had algorithms, 77 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:23.480 but they had a lot of data and statistics and 78 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.040 what the votes for Conley had been over the last 79 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:28.720 four decades. And they had a dialed there and they 80 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.639 knew if we could get a big number of people 81 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:37.759 to the polls, that we overpower him and take the wheel. Jesus, 82 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.279 we did it, and that's amazing. 83 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:43.800 I saw that she had Rita had mentioned earlier that 84 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.800 she had gone to over two thousand houses like door 85 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:52.000 to door, and that's that's amazing she did. 86 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.319 She did door knocks, two thousand is right, that's a 87 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:58.600 good number. I know. They did a phone bank, they 88 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:04.120 did calls, they did postcards, you know, they did meet 89 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:07.560 and greets, They went to different forms and venues. She 90 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.800 just she did a great job. And I didn't actually 91 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:15.079 know her before I got involved in this campaign. I 92 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:19.839 certainly knew the other individual, and I was very very 93 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:23.279 impressed with her. I'm very very impressed with her. Her sincerity, 94 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:29.240 her willingness to listen to people was incredible, and I 95 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:32.639 think she's going to do a magnificent job my real leader. 96 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:35.759 Yeah, and I think she's definitely been paying attention. 97 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:37.839 I see her at the select board meetings well now 98 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:43.759 that they're back in person, and she's always there, paying attention. 99 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:44.920 And ready to speak up. 100 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:48.639 So good for her, Great for the town of Canton, 101 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:53.000 that's for sure. So, Val, why don't you tell us 102 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:54.839 a little bit about your background? 103 00:06:58.079 --> 00:06:59.800 M h. 104 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:00.800 I think. 105 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:04.879 I talked to DJ about this a little bit. I'm 106 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:09.519 kind of paranoid about my anonymity. Oh, of course, you know, 107 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:15.079 so I don't necessarily. I've just had some kind of 108 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.399 unique experiences in my life, and I would be easily 109 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:26.120 recognizable with certain information. But I graduated from law school 110 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:35.639 in the mid nineties, I beautiful, and early on I 111 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.720 clerked for a couple of judges, which is where a 112 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:44.160 lot of my interest in the cases that I watch now, 113 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:48.399 and especially this case where you have this sort of 114 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.399 very complicated ball of all sorts of. 115 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:55.600 Legal issues and. 116 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.079 Can you appeal them and you know, can the judge 117 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.199 get away with X, Y and Z all these things 118 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.120 like That's where it really comes from. And I'm just 119 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.160 as brother counsel says, I'm just a law nerd So 120 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:13.680 you know, the deeper the dive possible, the better. 121 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:16.759 So what type of law did you practice? Do you 122 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:18.040 mind sharing that with us? 123 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:23.920 Well, it was more general practice. But I'm not litigation, Like, 124 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.240 I haven't been in the courtroom, so in that sense, 125 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:27.839 I'm like everyone else. 126 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:30.120 Who's a court watcher. 127 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.440 I may be a little more obsessed than some people, 128 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:37.919 but mostly that's it. 129 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.759 Like the applying. 130 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:49.960 It's kind of funny because it's amazing how much that 131 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.919 you learn in law school that stays in your head 132 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.000 and then you're just sitting around and you hear someone 133 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:00.559 say something on the stream. You're like, all of a sudden, 134 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:05.000 you're like spurating out by wrote what the standard is. 135 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:08.039 And if you're sitting around a bunch of lawyers, very often. 136 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:13.200 It's the news that's really funny. 137 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:15.360 So what made you take an interest in the Karen 138 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:17.200 read like, how did you hear about it? 139 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:18.200 Like just on the news? 140 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:21.200 Like all of us here, yep, I in the beginning 141 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:26.080 of my story. It's very it's like ninety nine percent 142 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:27.840 of us. I heard about it on the news and 143 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.679 I thought, oh my god, that's horrible, you know, and 144 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.879 I did a little there, but for the grace of 145 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:38.799 God moment, you know, And I didn't really pay attention 146 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:43.279 until I think it was like the end of twenty 147 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.879 twenty three when a friend of mine was telling me 148 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:50.720 all about the caste and it just sounded insane because 149 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:52.840 you know how hard it is to explain to a 150 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:58.480 new person. And even then I was kind of like, oh, 151 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:05.279 oh ka, But it was a really a police conspiracy. 152 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.240 I mean, that's what they all say, right, Like I 153 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.759 think there's some saying like, oh, there are no guilty 154 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:16.000 people in prison. They're all innocent, right according to them. 155 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.639 And then after that I Melanie Little started covering it 156 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.639 and we all know, you know, the progression of that, 157 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:26.679 and then I started getting into the documentation and stuff, 158 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.320 and I was just thinking about this today. There was 159 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:33.720 a to me, there was one thing that I started 160 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.799 to see in the pre trial hearing documents and then 161 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:42.159 in the hearings and the trial itself, is. 162 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.360 The prosecution. 163 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:51.159 Was engaged in a very particular kind of lying. 164 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:54.360 That for me is always. 165 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:00.519 Like a really really huge red flag in there's even 166 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:02.720 I looked it up. There there's even a name for it. 167 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:08.399 It's called paltering. And the definition of paltering is. 168 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:13.360 The art of lying by telling the truth. 169 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:21.600 So one of the clearest examples, which we hadn't seen 170 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:25.600 yet in the trial is, you know, they did the 171 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:28.279 DNA tests and then all of a sudden, the prosecution's 172 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:30.840 running around saying, oh, John's DNA was on the tail light, 173 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:34.679 it's definitive, blah blah blah blah blah. Well, yeah, that 174 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:41.679 technically that is true, but you know, you, you the speaker, 175 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:46.120 know that when you were saying that. 176 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:46.120 The person listening to you. 177 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:52.320 Is receiving that information was a totally different meaning. And 178 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:57.200 you know that like you're doing that purposely, I mean, 179 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:59.399 because you know it was touched DNA. So it really 180 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.480 doesn't matter. You know, it's not even they're not even 181 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.480 like arguing about facts. They're like they're trying to insert 182 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:08.440 lies into the case. 183 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:10.879 And that's not the only time they did it. 184 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:16.240 You know, there's a all along they're kind of inserting 185 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:21.879 these lies throughout the case. And like I said, I 186 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:29.320 just find it really offensive, and it really is. It's 187 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:31.279 a red flag, doesn't you know, it doesn't matter if 188 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:34.679 it's a criminal case. It doesn't matter a criminal civil 189 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:38.759 big little a lot of publicity no publicity. If you 190 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.600 are watching a case and one side, like when it 191 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.519 comes time to show the evidence and you match it 192 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.240 to what they've been telling you about it, and you 193 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:53.080 see that it has that mismatch between technical truth and 194 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:58.360 real truth, you know that side should lose, right, you 195 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.320 know they don't have a case, and you know they are. 196 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:04.919 Verging on very unethical. 197 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:12.399 Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean. The thing is is 198 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.399 that you don't really need a lot of a lot 199 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.159 of people for you know, for corruption either. 200 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:21.440 You only need a few key players to you know, 201 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.919 for this to have gone on and continue to be 202 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:25.440 going on. 203 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:30.240 So, Peter, and how did you first hear about the case? 204 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:32.840 Wow? 205 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:36.080 I think probably like most people here in the in 206 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:39.000 the Boston area, I saw it on the news. I 207 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.960 saw pictures of the house, the snow, and it was 208 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.440 probably on the It was either the twenty ninth or 209 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:49.840 the thirtieth of January that I saw, you know, the 210 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:56.120 initial broadcast that there had been a tragic death allegedly 211 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:01.000 caused by a motor vehicle by the victim's girlfriend. And 212 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.200 having been a cob for almost thirty three decades and 213 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:07.440 wanting to be one all my life, I believed the 214 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:10.200 narrative that was being told by law enforcement. Why wouldn't I, 215 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.799 you know, And I worked in the organizations in police 216 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:17.960 department for all those years. I believed in the judicial 217 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:25.440 system as being believable and authentic and trustworthy. And did 218 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:28.759 I have some some questions over the years as far 219 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:31.799 as when I saw cases unfold or I testified and 220 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:35.000 you know, how things might have gone. But for the 221 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:36.879 most part, I believed in the system. And then all 222 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:39.759 of a sudden, that was in January of twenty nine, 223 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:46.759 almost February first of twenty twenty two, and then obviously 224 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:51.000 in twenty three of April, things started to unravel. The 225 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:57.279 onion got peeled back, autopsy pictures were becoming available. Turtle boy, 226 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:02.000 you know, cracked open his case. I have a Boston 227 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:04.279 police officer who lives very close to me, and I 228 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.919 asked him about it. I said, what's going on at 229 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:08.720 the water bubble right and what are you hearing? What 230 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:12.000 do you know what's being said? And he said, mum's 231 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:15.240 the word. Nobody is saying a god damn thing about it. 232 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:15.440 Now. 233 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.960 This is a Boston police officer many many, many years, 234 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:24.120 and he said, it's quiet crickets, And that raised some 235 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.320 red flags right away, and I said that's all, isn't it. 236 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.639 And he goes, well, I'll leave it to your discretion. 237 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:32.159 But he said, do you know Turtle Boy? And I said, 238 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:34.840 turtle Boy, what the hell is that a cartoon? He goes, no, 239 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.360 he said, he told me what he is. He's a 240 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:41.480 professional journalist, blogger and all that. I said, oh okay, 241 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:43.840 And I started watching that and I listened to that, 242 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:48.480 and I mean it was basically it was a physical evidence. 243 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:50.639 It was the arm, the picture of the arm, and 244 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.799 I just couldn't ever go back to not thinking that 245 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:55.519 she's innocent. 246 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:00.679 Right, So there's a question here for Mary was saying, 247 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:05.080 what can you tell us about the missing plaque? 248 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.320 Who was that directed to to you? 249 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:12.559 Peter? 250 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:17.320 Oh? Okay, the missing the missing plaque? Do we know 251 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.759 what that? I need more info on what the missing 252 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:22.919 plaque is? I think, yeah, you know what what? That 253 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:23.399 refers to? 254 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:32.679 No clue missing plaque? And because yeah, somebody else said 255 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:35.639 I heard this too and would like to hear Peter 256 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:41.919 thought and why Helena would do that? Yeah hmm all right, 257 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.639 So Mary, if you can expand on that question, let 258 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:47.559 us know what you're referring to. 259 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.159 Could that be the plaque. The only thing I can 260 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:54.000 think of here is that inside the inside the foyer 261 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.960 of the main entry room to the Kenton Police Station 262 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:00.679 at fourteen ninety two Washington Street, there was a series 263 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:06.319 of plaques on the wall and it had several police 264 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:10.079 officers' names on them because they have since retired, and 265 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:12.920 my name was on it. And evidently somebody who's been 266 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.960 in there recently said that one of the plaques is missing, 267 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:17.920 the one I guess that had my name on it. 268 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.000 So I think people are speculating that maybe something's going 269 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:27.319 on specifically inherent to my my plaque on my name. 270 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:29.920 That's the only thing I can attribute to what that 271 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:30.680 questions for. 272 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.880 I'm sorry, Okay, yeah, it kind of sounds yeah, because Denn, 273 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:37.880 it's the same plaque in the lobby was down down 274 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:40.799 there adding a name, So hmm. 275 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.160 Interesting, that's usually why they would take it down with 276 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.480 somebody else's retired and they had a plaque made a 277 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:49.119 name tag made up and they were going to win 278 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:54.720 start it. But that would be a guest, he asked. 279 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:59.559 So, okay, so that clears up that confusion, A right, 280 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:00.839 sounds good. 281 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:05.480 Wait, so I'm confused. So there's multiple names on a plaque. 282 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.119 Yes, it's it's okay, all right. It's sort of like 283 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.759 a plaque of honor val where there's a list of 284 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:17.279 police officers that I guess they're they're indicating that the 285 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:22.240 or the administration's indicating that they served admirably and left 286 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:23.039 in good standing. 287 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:24.400 I see. 288 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:28.279 So presumably the plaque goes back up with the additional name. 289 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:29.440 But your name is still there. 290 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:34.599 It would be on the plaque that hopefully gets replaced 291 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:37.160 up there, and I hope they didn't take my name down, 292 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:38.839 but it's possible. 293 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:42.559 Well, I just thought that maybe with why people were asking, 294 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.480 because I would be like, you know, those dirty dogs 295 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:46.119 like killing. 296 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:51.359 Are you familiar with the the case part of my 297 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:56.000 story that I was brought to court for tresassing on 298 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:58.599 private property to which the church next door. 299 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.519 You can see the church in the back here if 300 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:04.000 I move, you see that white that's a church immediately 301 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:06.680 adjacent to the Canton Police station. They actually share a 302 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:11.039 common driveway. And I was criminally charged back on December 303 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:14.599 twenty seventh for trespassing on private property, but to it 304 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.920 the church. The individual beside me was never charged. He 305 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:21.880 was never even addressed by the two sergeants and the 306 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:25.559 sign that was ten inches by ten inches black in collar, 307 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:28.960 was under a big pile of snow and was not 308 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:32.799 visible to the human eye. Yet they still charged me. 309 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.759 And they've charged a lot of other individuals over the 310 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.400 course of time. If you're familiar with the case as 311 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:44.559 far as just sort of how I say it, intimidation 312 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:47.960 and harassment. The Canton nine Richie shiff of the duck 313 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.480 Guy Whitey for assault and battery on a public servant, 314 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.480 and then the Peter Murphy case trespassing on church property, 315 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:58.519 and all the cases went suf. 316 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:05.799 Yeah, I would hope, so so yeah, so much for 317 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:08.960 thirty six pages for rubber duckys and that went nowhere. 318 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:10.920 And the thing is is. 319 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:12.599 That they could have out just come out and asked 320 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:15.279 you to move like they you didn't have They didn't 321 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:17.400 have to have you sit there the whole time and 322 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.200 then go home and then all of a sudden, now 323 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.400 you're being notified that you were trespassing. Right, they should 324 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:26.359 have addressed it while it was happening, or don't you 325 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.279 think if it was truly a concern. 326 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:31.079 Well, I raised the question at the time to the 327 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:33.920 sergeant who I actually have known for a long time, 328 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.400 including his family, and I said, I'm not clear on 329 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:40.160 where the elements of this trespassing charge you have been 330 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:42.880 met in this instance. I said, I've never been put 331 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.680 on notice by anybody. I've never been served anything in writing. 332 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:50.240 And when we got to court, val will appreciate this, 333 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.480 he said, get off the property. I'm not going to 334 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:55.519 discuss the case. I said, sure, sorry, I respect that 335 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:59.279 you respect the uniform and the badge and I left immediately. 336 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:03.279 I only there to exchange some signs with the gentleman 337 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:05.440 beside me. We weren't going to use the property, but 338 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:07.319 we had used the property so many times in the 339 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.119 past for standouts, is recently in a big one in 340 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.920 September fourteenth of that same year where there were seventy 341 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:17.440 five of us and we all parked there and we 342 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:20.079 were welcome there. But getting back to the actual merits 343 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:21.880 of the case and the elements of the crime veil 344 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:25.359 which you probably would like to hear about. We were 345 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:29.720 in the court magistrate hearing and the question came up, 346 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:35.359 had I been put on notice? And that was raised 347 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:40.799 by my attorney and the prosecutor for the police department said, yeah, 348 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:43.920 he was put on notice back in September fourteenth, and 349 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:46.279 it wasn't one of the seventy five people that were 350 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:49.920 there that day that ever, Saigny police officers put anybody 351 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.519 on notice. They never even came out. So if I 352 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.359 were to tell you that the magistrate couldn't produce that 353 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.960 supplemental report as they called it, that put me on note, 354 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:02.440 and I didn't have a copy in my discovery, and 355 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:05.759 neither did the lawyer, and neither did the magistrate. It 356 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:10.680 was kind of a how would I say it, unveiling 357 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:13.599 of perhaps some untruth that were being told about me 358 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:14.680 being put unnoticed. 359 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:21.720 So this goes back to a point that Andrew Burkhardt. 360 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:25.640 I don't know if everyone's familiar with Andrea, but she 361 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:33.440 often makes which is the process is the punishment? Right, 362 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.839 They can't get at any of us, and hopefully never 363 00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:43.440 succeed in getting at Karen, So they use the process 364 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:49.640 to hurt all these people at the very least inconvenience them. 365 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:51.720 Or like, if you're like Peter, you said you get 366 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:52.279 to get a lawyer. 367 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:57.640 I mean that's ridiculous to hurt them anyway they can. 368 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:09.119 Correct, not only but to stifle and discourage you from 369 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:12.559 saying anything or doing any of the standouts or holding 370 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.160 a sign and to send a message to the rest 371 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:18.440 of the people. And I can tell you I lived 372 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:20.359 in the town for forty years now. I brought my 373 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:24.119 children up in the town, and I have several people 374 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:26.640 still living in the town, relatives and so forth, and 375 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:29.240 I talked to them. It's recently Saturday, at that audit 376 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:32.000 meeting at the Campton High School, and I want to 377 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:35.480 tell you that fear in Canton is alive and well. 378 00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:41.319 People are terrified and afraid of retaliation and a weaponization 379 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:44.680 of the system against them in their family, in their businesses, 380 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:49.079 in their children, and alienation in school settings. They are 381 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:52.480 paranoid and hence they sit on their hands and they're 382 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:55.640 afraid to come out and say anything. And that is 383 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:58.079 a horrible way to spend your life, day in and 384 00:23:58.160 --> 00:23:59.240 day out, in the community. 385 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:07.599 Absolutely, and Val, did you watch any of the the 386 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:10.519 audit result meeting. I'm haaty. 387 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:15.319 I heard a lot about it, and honestly, I didn't 388 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:22.759 think I could. What I heard was that great disrespect 389 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:27.640 was paid to Peter and I honestly I didn't think 390 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:32.000 I could stand to watch that. Like I was kind 391 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:35.160 of like, okay, I'm gonna be just as disgusted as 392 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:39.079 if I had watched it, and I'm gonna hopefully send 393 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:42.119 that out into the universe and join with all the 394 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.440 other people's feelings and have the same effect as. 395 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:46.880 If I did watch it. 396 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:49.640 And maybe that was just kind of an excuse, But 397 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.440 there are moments in this trial where I'm like, I 398 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:59.599 just don't think I can view this, or maybe i'll 399 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.720 view it later, do you know what I mean? When 400 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:05.519 it's not quite like it didn't just happen. I'll go 401 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:10.799