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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from

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the heart of Pendle Witch Country in the northwest of England.

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My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories.

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Join me as we take a journey into paranoral, UFO sitings,

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cryptozoology and big casts. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode fifty six of Paranormal Pendal, broadcasting to

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the Paranormal UK Network at PAUK radio dot com. So

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I'm delighted on this episode. My guest is is a

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returning guest. Absolutely great interview the first time round, and

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I'm sure it will be equal as interesting this time round.

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It's mister Ronald Kinsella. Ronald, thank you so much for

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coming on the podcast again.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's a pleasure, great, thank you. It's always a

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pleasure to be on the Paranormal Pedal.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That's absolutely great. Do you prefer Ronald or

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Ronnie or.

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Speaker 3: Ron ron would be fantastic, right.

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Speaker 1: We shall go with that then, because sometimes people don't

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always like the name shortening this.

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Speaker 3: So my grandfather always used to call me Ronald. I

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think he was the only one apart from the teachers

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and colleagues at work, but my grandfather always called me Ronald.

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Everyone else called me Ronnie or ron.

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Speaker 1: Was Ronald usually when you've done something wrong then or

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something not.

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Speaker 3: No, it was permanent with granddad. It's just a formality.

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He was in the army.

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Speaker 1: So saye right, So was he quite a sort of

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stickler the granddad?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? He No, he was very open minded. Although he

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was the most down to earth person you could ever imagine,

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he was very open minded. In fact, he was the

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one who told me that the Pyramids were built by

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aliens when I was thirteen or fourteen. I think I

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couldn't believe it. It just came out with it. And another

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incident which was interesting is the fact that with Philip

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and I back in the when we were young girl,

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when we used to stay with him in Middlesex, the

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Lovely House. They had a big house. It was we'd

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go down to this Barkin bookshop and we'd pick a

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book and one of them was about Poltergeist. Now, I'm

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terrible because even though I had seen things we used

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to take the mickey out of pictures of Poltergeist, and

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this book was based on actual events and we were

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laughing at it. We took it back home and we

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showed Grandad. Well he went ballistic, absolutely ballistic. He took

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it off as he confiscated it. He said, you don't

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mess with the likes of them, and I put that

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lightly what he said. He gave it as back, but

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he told us to burn it, which I did when

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I got home to Luton. We put it in a

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wilbar and burnt it and never read it. So obviously

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there was something Grandad didn't want us to dabble with,

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things that he appeared to be very real. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you actually how you became

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interested initially in the subject of the paranormal UFOs and

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new aps. So I suppose really your grandfather was one

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of the major influences then on your interest in this

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sort of thing from an early age.

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Speaker 3: He was, Yes, and it's not just Granddad, it's what

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we saw. Philip and I had a an encounter with

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something when we were very small in Bigmore House. I

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wasn't going to relay this in Digital Demon, but I

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thought I'd come out with it in illusions. It's not

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something that people say, oh, you're adding on, you're adding on.

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Because I believe I mentioned this. I think it was

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in Twin Souls, a book I had published by Capel

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Ben in twenty twelve. This is when I was coming

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out with it. A publishing company there are folded now,

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but they published the book. I don't think it did

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exceptionally well. It got very little exposure, but it was

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out there anyway. But it was to do with call

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it the bugget big Noll when we lived on the

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property of big nooor House in Chesterton outside of Oxfordshire.

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I think they're Bista and the grounds it was off road.

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abbadoor called Prince. He was never there, never saw remardly.

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it was one of these days that we saw something

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very bizarre. And the reason why I left it out

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was because it was so bizarre. I mean, what happened

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was that, being kids, I was picking open these reeds.

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and there was this kind of polystarin like material in there.

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was then, but it was white, just curious as toddlers are.

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it just immediately turned very big. It was taller than

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us something we're very small, being toddless, but it was

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taller than us. And the only thing I can remember

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of it was that it looked more or less today

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like a preimantis thing. I don't know whether it had wings.

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I can't entirely remember, but it made a clicking sound.

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around from it, and when it moved, it was blurry.

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I remember, it was very blurry, and it made this

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awful clicking sound. And that was it. I mean, the

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next thing, the tears were wiped away and we were

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having ice cream. So I don't know whether it was

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time to placement or what, but I have no idea.

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then it moved on from there. You know, these strange happenings.

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two hour on a radio show, but over the course

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of a lifespan, it's quite minimal, you know, when you

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actually when you think about it, they're quite minimal these

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things that happened, but when you shorten it into an hour,

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so it seems quite a lot. But that's basically what

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got me into this.

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Speaker 1: So have you had any experiences with UFOs or anything

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like that.

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Speaker 3: Yes. The next major thing that happened was in nineteen

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eighty two, so we were thirteen round the garden with Grandma.

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I can't remember exactly what day it was. I can't remember.

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I'm not going to make it fit. There was this

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silver orb that came over the garden and approached us.

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was it was a balloon, but it wasn't because it

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was controlled. It came over. Its height was level with

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a kind of second bedroom window of a house, so

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that's how high it was. And it came over and

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stopped above Grandma's head. And I had a damn good

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look at it. I was shocked. And it had no

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scenes on it, there was no cord and had a

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damn good look at it. To me, it appeared like technology.

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above her head. And we pointed to it and said, Grandma, look,

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and she looked, and she said the most bizarret thing.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I believe she was trying to alleviate any fear we

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would have. Whether she'd seen them before or not, I

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don't know. She never said. But it went up straight up,

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and it then stopped and went over the roof of

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the house, and we raced in to the building. It

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to see if we could see it. We could, and

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it was just shooting off and that was it. Very bizarre.

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later on, I imagine that was some type of electronic eye,

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some camera or something something I don't know, something reminiscent

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to the food fighters as we have, yeah of the

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Second World War. But it wasn't a glow. It was

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pure silver, although it was soiled. But that was the

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reflection of the world about it, you know, but very

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very strange.

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Speaker 1: It was very very reflective.

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Speaker 3: Then yeah, it's like chrome. I can use that word

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now because then I wouldn't know what chrome was. But yes,

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it's like chrome.

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Speaker 1: So I suppose the material that it looked like.

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Speaker 3: Would would we.

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Speaker 1: Rule out something like a weather balloon for instance?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it moved in a controlled fashion. It

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stopped dead above her head. This was control. I mean,

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this is what this is what I'm quite used to

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where people say, well, it's that the rossa washer and

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it was a weather balloon. Yeah, I would think that

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the military was a bit more wiser to actually distinguish

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the difference between a flying saucer or a disc and

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a weather balloon, you know, I mean, goodness gracious me.

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stated that, you know, atmospheric anomalies, it was nothing of

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the sort. It was there and this is a nice

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eighty two and it was very strange and the way

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it moved it is shot off accelerated, So it was no,

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that was no balloon at all.

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Speaker 1: Of course, No, of course, no, it's just it's just

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a question that quite obviously you get asked quite a

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bit or you know, yeah, it's a statement that's that's

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that people would would, you know, think of, think of

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and the wind and the breeze and everything else, and

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something which is being clearly mechanically controlled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was solid as well, completely solid appeared to me.

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you look at balloon, you can more or less tell

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as a balloon. This was solid, just solid, like a rock. Solid.

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Speaker 1: So how did you feel afterwards?

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Speaker 3: It was bizarre because I don't know, you couldn't talk

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about it, although Grandma was on the phone to a

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family member that night telling them what they'd seen. But strangely,

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it just seemed to just dissolve into oblivion. Although it

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was never forgotten in the back of your mind, you know,

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it's only later on when you get older you question

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what they were. You know. Of course, you couldn't talk

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remembered the terrible controversy even she caused with her readings,

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where people didn't believe her. And of course the UFOs

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was completely off skirt and that department, I mean, with god,

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they just made a joke of it, so we kept

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quiet about it sensibly.

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Speaker 1: So no, absolutely, that's very interesting. So obviously this has

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then had these incidents have had a big effect on

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your life of the years, and you've obviously become more

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and more interested and done more and more research. And

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your latest book is called Illusions, Smoke and Mirrors of

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the UFO et and Paranormal Enigma. Yes, fascinating in title.

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Told me a bit more about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, as you get older, I wouldn't say, perhaps you

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get wiser, but you get more curious. And I remembered

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I wanted to try and know what we're dealing with,

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because I'm not quite comfortable at the fact that we're

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dealing with or might be dealing with, aliens from other worlds.

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It's a distinct possibility, and course arguments rage on and

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on about it, but we just don't know. I haven't

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got a clue what they are. So I looked into

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certainly the past of encounters with aliens, let's say. And

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I figured out that from the and I think I

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mentioned this in The Digital Demon, the first book. Certainly

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the aliens, to me looking back at it, thinking about it,

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they didn't appear to have an overall kind of what's

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the word I could use? There was no species that

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was dominant. They were all different. You had volcans, would

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you believe aliens? Jelly men, You had the Nordics, you

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had pixies, you have the fairies, and we go onto

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the cryptids, you know, werewolves. They seemed to change. There

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the famous little, big eyed, embryonic looking creatures, are status

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quo in that department at the top. And I kept thinking, well,

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when did that come about, because it certainly wasn't when

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that came about. That's when Whitney Streeber's best selling book

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Communion was published. It was the image on that cover

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and then there was an explosion and I noticed this,

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and I knew this was absolutely factual because everyone were

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reporting seeing the grays, you know, these creatures and what's

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interesting about this is is the fact that they appeared

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to take on many different forms of being. I mean,

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and people would comment that, oh, that's what they're like,

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and others would say, no, no, they had this skin,

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dolphin skin, they had wrinkles, they had this, that and

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the other. And I kept thinking, well, are we dealing

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with a multitude of them? Are we dealing with something

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that's quite different, that may not be them at all.

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the real thing, you know, the real McCoy, the true faces.

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it's the fact that I then thought about the AI

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art that can be produced. Now, it's not real artificial intelligence.

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up through prompts. We don't have true artificial intelligence yet.

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to program computers. So I know them very well. We're

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born in the golden age of them, so I know

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that there's no such thing as artificial They can't think

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at all. They process and the algorithms. That's what they process.

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Even quantum computers cannot think. Although they call it three

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D thought, it's a misconception. It's processing speed. It's all

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at this speed at the moment. I dare say that

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in the future they'll get clever and perhaps develop the

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first thinking computer. Anyway, back to this aiart. I tried

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it because I don't use it. I don't like it,

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but it's very clever because being an artist, it first

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of all sent shock waves. Should be thinking, my goodness,

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we're going to be replaced now, but of course that would.

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But of course the problem with that is copyright issues,

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you see, because of so it is dipping into reservoirs

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of art, other people's art, and well, I tried it,

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and I realized that it cannot duplicate the same image twice.

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or they are being produced by something else, is it

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possible that this thing or this force or power lacks consistency.

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putting it out there. It's in the book. And if

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you will also look at the grays, they are as

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I mentioned, embryonic in Nature, and I also mentioned that

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more than not what I read about, certainly the turn

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of the century, the fact that they're into this apparent

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or alligured hybridization program. So isn't it fitting that they

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should more or less encompass or take on the persona

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of an embryonic kind of form. You see how I'm

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going with it. Yeah. Another thing that interested me, which

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I've published in Illusions, is a fact that when you

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had contact tees in the past, certainly in the fifties

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and onwards, whether they happened, we can't tell. We've got

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no proof nothing, but we'll just go with the testimonies. Right.

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So they're visited by these space beings or space brothers

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they called them. And you'll notice the ships always more

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than not landed traditionally, means to say that then they

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came down, the landing gear, came out, the door opened,

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they came and embraced the adductees, took them to what

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god knows wherever. Well, I thought about that too, and

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it suddenly struck me that teleportation or transportation came shortly

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after Star Trek was released, because they could beam people up.

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And then you saw this shift into a new kind

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of phase of abductions. You know, it moved from the

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traditional to the absolute outlandish, and that strengthened my case

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in assuming or concluding that we might be dealing with

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something else as well here that is not able to

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be consistent, but is there all the same, and it

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touches on things that border on almost a fantastic but

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that can be kind of accepted due to the publications

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and the media and the belief systems switching you sot.

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I mean, you can't have a dialek walking through a

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door to put the fear of God and you they

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won't use that. It always has to be something just

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outside basically more or less folklore or or during to

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do with the fad of aliens. And another thing I

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discovered was the fact that in the fifties, the B movies,

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they had all these silver flying sources. Everything was silver,

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wasn't it silver? Space sulf lansers were? They were silver?

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In the fifties, I was, they appeared silver, And I

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kept thinking, well, they've changed now, more or less to

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a degree, they have changed. Why would they need to

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be silver if they can implement shields, you know, not

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everything has to be silver. I know, would think it

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as logical because it deflects radiation and it's a strong ally.

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But the point is they're more advanced than us. Wouldn't

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they have for much more advanced equipment at the disposal

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These things, these issues that I raised, have formed a

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kind of pattern or a picture. I'm not saying that

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it's new with one suggesting that they're are a decoy,

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because I think Jeck Falay and some others have mentioned that.

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But I'm looked more into the particular slight star trek

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and the silver things like that, you know, the embryonic

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nature or the appearance of these grades, to possibly illustrate

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the fact that that's what they're doing, although I don't

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believe it at all. I don't believe it. And this

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is where it gets very messy because it's so compartnerized.

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You know, people will say you are wrong, they are real,

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they are here to do this there. Well, it's is

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what they've been told by them. How can you trust

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what they're telling you when we don't even know what

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they are if they're real. For that matter, I'm not

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saying that the people have imagined it. They possibly are

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extremely real to them, but I don't believe this is

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what we're seeing. There something else behind it. I think,

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you know, how can you TuS them because we had

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first of all in the fifties of them rambling on

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then about their concerns for atomic warfare. They were very

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concerned about it. And you have this concern magnify of

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all these people. We've got to stop using this. Well,

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I'm not being funny, but they all they need to do,

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if they were so concerned is whip around in their ships.

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Nullify because I don't know where they are. Nullify all

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the missiles will build more, nullify them, we will more

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one we can't use them. They've won, and it's all silent.

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And then you have you see this is an illusion.

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And also in the nineties then when we then shift

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from nukes to the environmental issues, that was very pot

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in the nineties, the grace. We're telling people the concerns

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for the water, so you know, things are dying. And

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they again they did nothing. And people stated that they

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have done something, that they have shot some of these

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salads down. Yeah, one or two, but that might be

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enforcing the trick they're promoting. You know that they're not

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really concerned that this is just a fad. It's very ugly,

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very ugly.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, sorry, is it just to sort of keep people

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focused on something else?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you've got it. That's it. Craz is keeping our

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attentions sway from what really is going on. That's right,

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you've got it. You knew, didn't you. And you have

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people saying that's what.

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Speaker 1: I was working out as you were explaining it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you look this way, you look the way.

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We don't look this way in a particular direction. And

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I've had people state that, you know, they also they're

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not allowed to intervene, So that is why we have

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the lack of the nullifications of our nukes. Well, that's

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absolutely nonsense, because they contradicted that statement already because they're hear.

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What they're doing here is they're not into it intervene.

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They're doing that already, So again it's a contradiction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So is is science fiction being it's science fiction

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in the media being driven by this unknown entity or

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intelligence that's behind how we? How?

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Speaker 3: How we?

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Speaker 1: This is another question there as well. Is it all

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to do with with individual perception?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So you talk about the grays, you talk about crypto cryptids,

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you talk about uh, fairies. You know, is it is? It?

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Is that all to do with an individual person's perception

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of what they're being shown. Do we all perceive things differently?

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Speaker 3: I believe so, because subconsciously we all know about were wolves,

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we know about aliens, or most of us do you know,

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we know about pixies, fairies, things like that. It's just

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interesting that they become these things. You know, as I said,

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you can't have a dialect. They couldn't have a dialect

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coming through your bedroom wall in a flash of light

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because it would be absolutely ridiculous. They would absolutely scream

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with laughter. And that's the whole point. You see, these

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things don't cause that it might cause disbelief that people

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actually stop on question they think about these things, the

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were wolves, the pixies, the varies, the bigfoots, the aliens themselves.

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You know, it's it's just on the fringe, the cusp of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's sort of fantastical up to a certain point,

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isn't it. But it's not taking it into the realms

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of Like you say, if suddenly you were let in

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bed and a darlic appeared at the bottom of the bed,

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you'd think, hang on a minute, what's bought. If a

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shadow person appeared at the bottom of your bed, or

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even if the gray aliens oddly appeared at the bottom

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of your bed, you will be shocked and you will

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be fried. But it wouldn't have that same ang on.

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I mean, it there's a Darlok at the bottom of

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the bed, it wouldn't have that sort of effect. It

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would It would have the effect that they want to

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have the effect on you, and not that ang on.

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I mean it's something that's not riiety sort of effect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would if that would show that this force

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or this power, whatever it is, knows is very very well.

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We'll take the airships as an example. I did some

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work on them the eighteen nineties, the wave of exotic airships.

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I mean there were airships around I think Henry Gifford

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was a designer an engineer who developed a steerable one,

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a combustion one, so they weren't uncommon. But people started

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seeing these very peculiar looking airships as you and I

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and many others know about. And they even flew so

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low as to where actually drift over towns to begin with.

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One crashed in Judge I think it was judged Proctors

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near his property. I think that was his name. Forgive

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me if it's wrong. I have got it all done.

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There's so many names and things going through my mind.

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But it exploded and there was a strange little man

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in there. Well that couldn't have come from Venus or Mars.

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There's no way it could have traveled from there. But

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it's just this again, and demonstration of this force, of

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this power, utilizing man's own innovations, but just pushing them

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ahead slightly, a little bit more forward, you know. Very bizarre,

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isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It is so my original question before I got sidetracked

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by my second question, was that it is science fiction

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being driven? Is science fiction in the media being driven

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by this this intelligence?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it could well be. Who knows. I

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mean that's quite possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And is it? Is it in order to get

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as you to the idea of let's say, you know,

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teleportation or warp drive or phases you know, or food

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bank replicators that can just produce anything that your program

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into them, you know, in the seconds? Is that? Is

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that what's going on in the media? Do you think

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possibly trying to brainwashes into believing that these things are

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perfectly normal and they're going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Or is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it something else? Do you think?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that that narrative itself is interesting because

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I think we our souls will develop those things in time. Absolutely.

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I mean you had to fly with the teleportation system,

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the disasters of that, with the phases Star Trek and

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the food banks as well, which is unlimited, which is

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amazing from Voyd Durant, certainly from I think Jean Luke

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Picard's era of Star Trek. But I don't know. I

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tend to think that something is watching what we're doing

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and is aware of our progress at all. And that's

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what I want to state about this back engineered technology.

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Let's move a little bit further back to nineteen forty seven,

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the very famous case of Roswell, the Roswell crash of

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nineteen forty seven. If that had exotic hardware in there,

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people are arguing that it's reverse engineered. You know, they're

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trying to do that. But my argument is, and I'll

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put this politely, I could be wrong. I could be wrong,

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and I don't have any proof. It's just a hypothesis.

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I stated that, wouldn't it be more like one of

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us handing the Victorians full of our modern day mobile

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phones with the Americans cell phones and asking them to

470
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:58,240
replicate it, because surely unless it was more or less

471
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:01,039
compatible with our own tech back then, which I don't

472
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,640
think it would have been, no way, how on earth

473
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,960
are they to discern what they've gone? You know, do

474
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:11,039
they work on nuclear fusion? I don't think so. Do

475
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,599
they use couple wiring? I don't think so. You see

476
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,400
where this is going. So that is bizarre and it's stuff.

477
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,359
I'm not saying that they haven't because I can't prove that,

478
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,599
but it just seems a little bit too far fetched.

479
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,440
If that did happen, If the rods wallship did crash,

480
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,920
I believe there is something to that. Actually absolutely, I'm

481
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,279
not going down any other avenue with it, but I

482
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:37,240
do believe that something very exotic crash there because the

483
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,759
military first he announced that they had in their possession

484
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,880
of flying disc to then change it or altered, as

485
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,640
we all know, to a weather balloon, and I think

486
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,240
they could discern the difference. I don't blame them for that.

487
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,319
I actually don't blame them for doing that, because if

488
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:54,480
they had something exotic in their glass, they would then

489
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:59,039
understand the magnitude of what they actually had, you know,

490
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,759
so they would stile. And of course they also did

491
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:04,119
it for the benefits of other countries, because if it

492
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,240
was publicly known, categorically proved that they had in possession

493
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,799
a flying desks for another world or dimension, the other

494
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,759
countries will raise eyebrows that think, well, what have you got?

495
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,240
Paranoia was set in, you know what exactly why did

496
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,240
it land on the United States soil? Why didn't it

497
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:25,880
land in India or Russia or China or the UK?

498
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,680
Why the Great America? So it will take a lot

499
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,440
of people off. So I think they did the right thing,

500
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,359
But of course the whole thing is muddied. You know,

501
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,440
you have some people writing books roswell the truth. Well,

502
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:42,839
the truth would only appeal to that particular narrative because

503
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,519
we've got none. Most of the people sadly have died,

504
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,640
they've passed away, so we're never going to know. It

505
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:53,160
becomes an enigma, you know, and we're left scratching our heads.

506
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,799
It's not our own, it's not our fault, any of us,

507
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:58,039
you know, we're just trying to find the truth of this.

508
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, it could it could have been

509
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,640
a lot more dangerous for the Americans to actually admit

510
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,880
that they had something, because then you've got the Russians,

511
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,200
the Chinese, anybody else would say, well, i'ng on a minute.

512
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:13,839
If you've got it, we want it.

513
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: That's right, Craig. Absolutely, it becomes a snake pit.

514
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,759
Speaker 1: And it could of course, you know, it could have

515
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:29,039
created you know, problems where we could we could have

516
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:31,640
ended up some countries may decided to go to war

517
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,160
over it.

518
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's another point I'd make. If they were delivering technology,

519
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:39,599
this was a trojan horse, as I mentioned in the

520
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,759
Digital Team, I think five years ago. Now, it doesn't

521
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,720
make any sense because I'm going to have to question

522
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,160
that because why on earth will there be sending advanced

523
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,799
equipment to a race of people or humans who have

524
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,480
just left the Great War, the Second World War? What

525
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,960
would we given them tech for? You know? And if

526
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000
that was another question. The completely stumped me about this

527
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,880
Roswell's ship. And it doesn't make any sense that if

528
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,119
it had crashed, I mean, surely it would have had

529
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,599
back up and sos something nothing came. That's what caused

530
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,720
me to believe it might have been a trojan horse.

531
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,160
And of course we had other crashes across the world.

532
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,519
There were other crashes as speculated, but the ships were

533
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,000
all different, and I kept thinking, well, could it be

534
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:29,720
the same thing sending different packages making them look different

535
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:32,119
along with the pilots so as not to raise eyebrows

536
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:35,079
as the same species is having the same problem in

537
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,119
crashing on Earth. You know, it didn't make any sense

538
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,119
to see where this is going. It's like you think

539
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,200
you have something, but then you're completely thrown back a

540
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,759
then you're not back. This is the trouble with this subject.

541
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,960
You think you're getting somewhere, you're gaining traction, but then

542
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,160
you're completely yet you're completely thrown back.

543
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: Is that the ghosts absolutely? Yeah?

544
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:58,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the paranormal, the ghosts, which I do believe

545
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:01,680
are real. The poltergeists are real. Absolutely, things like that,

546
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,279
you just can't It's as if it's you get if

547
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:06,720
you get too close, you think you get fingers burn.

548
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,559
You just can't get there, you can't touch it. It's

549
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,799
very fascinating but frustrated.

550
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:14,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think you've answered the question and then another

551
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,599
question pops up.

552
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

553
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:18,759
Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on, It goes on

554
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:22,079
and on and on. No, that's that's interesting. I've never

555
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:28,200
heard of that sort of premise with regards to Roswell before,

556
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:32,160
and actually it makes an awful lot of sense. Yeah,

557
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,599
it was something which was sent as a decoy because

558
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,799
you're quite right, I mean, as a as a race

559
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,720
of species. I mean, we've had two hugely destructive world

560
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:48,079
wars within the space of about thirty years, twenty twenty

561
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:53,039
twenty years. We just come out of a of a

562
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:59,680
massively destructive global war, and of course we'd well said

563
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,480
we that had been the use of nuclear weapons for

564
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:08,359
the first time. So you know, why would an alien

565
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,160
race suddenly land in the middle of the desert in

566
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:18,279
America with you know, equipment and technology that was far

567
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,119
advanced of our own at the time, Because you could

568
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:25,720
bet your bottom dollar not unintended that we would use

569
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:27,400
it for the wrong purposes.

570
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: That's right, Absolutely, especially in the hands of the military.

571
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:33,039
No disrespect to them. I mean, you can't blame maybe

572
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,240
like kids in a sweet shop.

573
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:34,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

574
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: Another point about this is the fact that some clever

575
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,160
clocks mentioned that I actually stated the trojan horse I

576
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,680
came out with. I kept it quiet until I came

577
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,880
out with it five years ago because I keep thinking

578
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,880
and thinking about this, and I've got some new ideas

579
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,119
about it as well. But some clever clocks I also mentioned,

580
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,079
isn't it funny? Isn't it that apart from Procter the

581
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,319
judge procertor, I think I think that was Give me

582
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:02,960
if I'm wrong. I do believe that's of the eighteen

583
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,319
nineties when the airship, that exotic ship exploded and crashed

584
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:10,880
in his God destroying his prized blods. He's concerned about

585
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,880
his prize bloods? Are they blesses? Are? But you know

586
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:21,800
they appear to land in kind of rural regions, not suburbia,

587
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,280
And some clever clocks said, well, that's because there's more

588
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,719
land than there is built up areas well. No, absolutely not,

589
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,199
that might be factual. But the emphasis of this is

590
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,760
is that they actually do crash in rural regions and

591
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,039
there's probably a reason behind it. So again, it strengthens

592
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:43,400
the trojan horse hypothesis, but it completely backfires in regard

593
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:47,039
to what they are delivering unless it's something else we

594
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,320
do not know about the military too, unless they depositing something,

595
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,079
maybe not technology, but something else. You know, it interested

596
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:02,639
me when I saw David Grush being interviewed at the

597
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:09,880
congressional hearing where they're trying to force disclosure, which between

598
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,159
you and I believe we're never going to have because

599
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:17,519
it's so drawn out. The aerospace tech companies or whoever

600
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,719
has these alleged ships in storage and their pilots or

601
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,519
they need to do is just shift them to somewhere

602
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:24,880
else and by the time they've got the key to

603
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,599
unlock it, they've got you know, it's those things. You know,

604
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:33,079
it goes on and on and on. But he mentioned

605
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:41,639
about them being non human bio bio something he called them. Now,

606
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:44,880
this is very interesting. They didn't call them aliens as

607
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,440
we that. Yes, it's something off world, but certainly it

608
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,559
did appear to me when they stated that, or he

609
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,119
stated that, if it is to be believed, of course,

610
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,880
I don't doubt him. There must be something to it.

611
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:00,519
I don't think the deceiving is why would they do

612
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:07,480
that that they're probably closer to home. Someone mentioned the oceans. Well, yes,

613
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,400
the oceans a vast and sources have been known to

614
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,800
be seen by crew members on ships, you know, breaking

615
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,960
the waters and hovering for a bit before they shoot off,

616
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:23,239
or Antarctica. It just struck me as very strange that

617
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,880
he would refer to them as non human and not alien.

618
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,800
That's very interesting what he stated. As I said, Craig,

619
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,079
I don't think we're going to get any disclosure at all.

620
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,880
We never have, and you know, the trouble is people

621
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,159
publish more and more books stating they know this and

622
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:42,000
they know that, but we all we can do is

623
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,519
trust our own judgment. It's like my encounts. I accept

624
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,880
the fact that people might deny them. That's fair enough.

625
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:49,920
If you don't believe it, that's fine. You know, we

626
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,880
are entitled to our own opinions, our own beliefs, and

627
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:56,119
I'm quite cool with that. You know, if they call

628
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,320
me an out and outlier, let them do it. I've

629
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,360
seen them. I don't know what they are. I won't

630
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,239
call them alien or things from other worlds because we

631
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,000
just don't know what we're dealing with. It. It's very

632
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,320
something supernatural.

633
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, or multi dimensional or anything along those lines. Just

634
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,519
going back to the new book, you mentioned in the

635
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:23,320
new book about Skinwalkerrange. Yes, I'm just interested what your

636
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,480
take is on that, because that is that is something

637
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:34,199
which is very much in the paranorimal stroke Cryptozoology's stroke

638
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,840
UFO headlines most of the time. You know, there are

639
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,639
numerous film crews go there all the time over in America,

640
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,159
and you know, people make pilgrimages to go to this place.

641
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,159
And I don't really actually know an awful lot about it.

642
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:55,000
It's not something that I've really sort of interested myself in,

643
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,239
because I do sometimes think that these sort of things

644
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:04,800
are sometimes a little bit contrived in order to to

645
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,920
you know, make financial gains and that sort of thing. Yes,

646
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,880
so I really don't know much about it, and I'm

647
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,519
just wondering what you would take is on.

648
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in Utah, a section of land that belonged

649
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:25,880
to a family who reported extremely bizarre incidences like polticist activity.

650
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:28,960
One family, the last family who only performance taken over

651
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,880
from the Scientific Institute. I believe they had seen a

652
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,639
huge wolf. I mean this wolf was massive. I think

653
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:38,800
his head came to their shoulders right snaking down towards them,

654
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,920
very friendly, beautiful eyes, and then he turned and was

655
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,320
interested in the calf. So he went for the calf,

656
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,440
and they got their shotguns and they shot him, and

657
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,199
it dislodged a piece of flesh, but it didn't seem

658
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,679
to you know, hinder him at all, But he did

659
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:55,800
trot off and they followed him and his tracks disappeared.

660
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:59,400
So I believe it's a paranormal hotspot. If these things

661
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,559
are happening, as stated, I think there is something to

662
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:06,760
it again, because I believe there is evidence to support

663
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,639
this through the families or the incidents. But prior to

664
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,239
the Scientific Institute taking over, you know, I believe that

665
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,400
what they're doing is they're exciting this phenomena because, as

666
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,840
you rightly stated, Craig, it's cryptic, it's paranormal, it's aliens,

667
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,920
is everything. It's a mismash of everything there, you see.

668
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,239
So the more they study it, the more it's going

669
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,960
to play with them. It's like a toy to it.

670
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,599
They're like toys to it, something to play with. That's

671
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:36,079
what comes to my mind. And I don't think they're

672
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:37,800
going to find out what it is because this thing

673
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,960
has been around for perhaps millennia. You know, it's been

674
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,159
with us for a long time. I mean, we had

675
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,679
were wolves, and I believe the seventeen hundreds they were

676
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:50,519
reported even further back, certainly, I think it was was

677
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:53,519
it the French king or someone offered a reward for

678
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:55,559
the execution of it, and they believe they caught it,

679
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:00,800
but the killing still occurred. People's heads off well back then.

680
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,519
So I think there is something to this Skinwalker ranch, absolutely,

681
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:07,880
and you can't blame them for studying it. I admire them.

682
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,960
I mean I love to go there, Yeah, absolutely, Philip

683
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,920
and myself would love to go there to feel what

684
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,159
we can pick up or I mean we're not special,

685
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,119
but certainly you using your mind and that this thing

686
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:24,320
also is able. I believe to actually it's connected to consciousness.

687
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,320
It would be quite logical to suggest that because I

688
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,280
believe there was a story of them installing cameras in

689
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,960
that ranch, and it evidently knew where the cameras were,

690
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,880
and I don't know whether it destroyed them or did

691
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,639
something to them, you know, So it's playing with them.

692
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,480
They're being played with. It's very I would imagine that

693
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:48,000
would be a paranormal hotspot, just like the Bermuda Triangle was.

694
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,960
That's gone quiet, isn't it. The Bermuda Triangle. Well, planes

695
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:55,800
used to disappear. All the pilots report seeing different things

696
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,559
as they're flying through this strange lands appearing and then

697
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:02,320
they compass goes and then they they find out that

698
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,840
they've lost time or whatever.

699
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,679
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think I mean you're talking about

700
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,320
sort of periods in time where there's the sort of

701
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:16,639
sort of particular sort of subjects were phenomena, shall we say,

702
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,159
that are in vogue at the time.

703
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 3: Yes.

704
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: So you know you were talking about source of shaped

705
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,400
UFOs that land with feet and you know, a sort

706
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,000
of alien type creature comes out and it's covered in

707
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,079
silver foil and all that sort of thing that was

708
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,440
very much involved in the nineteen fifties.

709
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: Well, yes, yes, that's right.

710
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: So the weard of triangle land, which was sort of

711
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:43,679
what nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties, Yeah, I.

712
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:47,559
Speaker 3: Would say more so the seventies and eighties very hot then, yes, yes.

713
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,079
Speaker 1: So do you think again that was part of this

714
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,760
sort of program of misinformation that were being fed to

715
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,400
sort of keep us looking in the wrong direction. Yes,

716
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,519
and they and the Bermuda triangle was very much the

717
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,519
in vogue thing for that sort of period of time.

718
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. It shifts, doesn't It shifts? It seems

719
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,360
to shift. And people say location is key, No, I

720
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,119
don't believe that is the case. I think mind is

721
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,880
key here. Mind is key because it seems to know

722
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,079
where you are. I'll give you an example where one

723
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,000
of the stories I published in there was to do

724
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:33,800
with the wonderful Martin Groves, the deputy sheriff, respected police

725
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,039
officer thirty odd years ago, maybe more than that now,

726
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,519
where him and his mate went turkey hunting and the

727
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,280
land between the lakes and they saw these werewolves. They

728
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,280
encountered them. They were real. It was grinning down at him.

729
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,000
For God's sake, I mean, it was horrifying. So it

730
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:51,760
knows whether and they were alone. They were in the

731
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,719
middle of nowhere and they were alone, and these things

732
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,360
found them. So I believe it's not location is key.

733
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,400
I think they've got that wrong. I'm going to say

734
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,599
it's mind is because it doesn't matter where you go,

735
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:05,320
what you do, it will follow you. And as certainly

736
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:09,800
as I've seen, I've watched no end of fascinated by

737
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:18,440
the programs on YouTube. There's one what lurks beneath and

738
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,159
the hosts there. We had him on radio or a

739
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:25,039
while ago, and he's absolutely fantastic. Josh, And you know

740
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,599
a lot of these cases, even he is like yourself

741
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,239
and us. You want to try and question this all

742
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,880
and you have to where people when they're like secluded

743
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,880
or alone or minimum people with them. These things happen

744
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,400
and more than not in the national parks in America

745
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:41,760
as we all know about. You know, we've heard the

746
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,960
stories of the national parks, very strange things occurring. Or

747
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,280
as Martin Groves published in his wonderful book The Land

748
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,599
between the Lakes, the incident with the world was there

749
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,119
and they were completely in the middle of nowhere. There's

750
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:56,280
no one around them, no one. They sat up camp

751
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,000
and they were there. They appeared. So I believe it

752
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:02,920
follows people. So in regard you're quite right, Craig, in

753
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,000
regard to people of Triangle, it could be these things

754
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,400
that in vogue or you know, the hotspots shift and

755
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:14,599
also the manner in which they are conveyed shift. So

756
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:16,440
I'm going to have the Skinwalker Ranch. What's going to

757
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,920
be next, you know? I mean, and what is it

758
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,559
with that area that causes this. I don't think it's

759
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:24,800
anything to do with the air. It's belief because the

760
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,679
Shamans didn't. They put a curse on Skinwalker Ranch a

761
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,079
skin walker, so it was a curse enforced by many

762
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,159
of the tribe for their enemies. So they created this curse.

763
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,000
So something it appears, was evidently listening.

764
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:41,199
Speaker 1: So you think it could be this going back to

765
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,039
what you started talking about initially, then this sort of presentity,

766
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:47,320
this sinister.

767
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 3: Yes, accorded the Atomic Magician the closest I can get

768
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:57,280
to it Chris Evers in his Outer Limits magazine he

769
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,440
published the first take on it. So because I mentioned

770
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,119
the Star Trek, and I mentioned the Soul, and I

771
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:05,840
mentioned all these other busin pieces, and I thought, it

772
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,880
seems to me the only word I could put it

773
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,480
into human words, it's the Atomic Magician. It's very weak,

774
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,719
I know, or lame, but it's the only thing I

775
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,159
can think of, you know, something Calling it something like that,

776
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,679
it becomes real. And the fairy lights, now, I don't

777
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:21,199
know if Martin Grove saw them or others, but more

778
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,079
than not, they're reported these little balls of lights. I

779
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:28,760
even assumed that's probably them or what they're to transpire

780
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,800
into they arrive. And these balls have been portrayed even

781
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,480
in Disney cartoons, you know, like we have Sleeping Beauty,

782
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,880
the little fairies were portrayed as little glowing balls of light. Yeah. Absolutely,

783
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:43,920
you know, so is it taking heed to even our

784
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,199
own Disney, the Disney Empire. Is it taking Heyden listening,

785
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:53,360
you know, watching, you know, it's fascinating. We just don't know,

786
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:59,199
but these incidents do happen, and they're horrifying, absolutely horrifying.

787
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: Yes, involved, Yeah, I mean the question that I was

788
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,639
I was trying to get out earlier on before I

789
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:11,519
went off Donorstingent was the whole science fiction thing. I mean,

790
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:15,840
is it science fiction that's driving our perception of this

791
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,320
atomic magician? Or is it the atomic magician that's driving

792
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,039
science fiction?

793
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 3: No, I think it's our science fiction driving that thing, right.

794
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,800
I think it could only be because the innovations Henry

795
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,119
Gifford of an example of the airship, although flight wasn't

796
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:38,000
you then? I mean the first aerial craft to take

797
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:42,480
flight was a kite, So man's ambition to actually fly

798
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:46,320
like the birds became realized wonderfully. But something else might

799
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:51,000
have been taking notes observing it. And it's just strange

800
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:53,519
that these things are always slightly more of us. I'm

801
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:56,159
not saying all of them. I'm not saying all of them.

802
00:46:56,159 --> 00:47:00,119
Could it be possible that the grays, a faction of

803
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:04,559
them are genuine and it knows of this and it thought, well,

804
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,320
this is good, you know, this is marvelous, this will

805
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,519
be Then you think I've got an actual more or

806
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:14,280
less face to toy with the others with. I'm not

807
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,039
saying it's playing with us in the manner of a child,

808
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,840
you know, happy with toys. It's something far more sinister,

809
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,039
and it would ultimately, I think or concluded it must

810
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:27,119
have to do with fear. I mean, let's take the

811
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,239
grades for an example, the research I did into them,

812
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,440
they always, more than not, there will come in the

813
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,079
dead of night when you're half naked, you're vulnerable, you're asleep,

814
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,119
and they appear by your beds. Now, what kind of

815
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,840
entity would do that? If they know us very well,

816
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,639
they would understand our customs and our ways, So why

817
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,320
would they do that to put the fear of God

818
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,840
into you. I've also heard of accounts where they're bringing

819
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,119
dead relatives aboard. What again, that's actually terrible because they're

820
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:01,199
actually obviously drumming it out of the mindset they're victims.

821
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,199
I'll call them victims and portraying them for them to see,

822
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,440
to perhaps make the scenario a little bit more comfortable,

823
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,159
even though they are horrified or they've got we've got

824
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,719
Dad here, you know, Dad saire with them, my goodness,

825
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,719
or to confound them again, as you mentioned, Craig, and

826
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,320
we have stated to look this particular way, so you

827
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,960
don't look somewhere else, you don't see through the visage,

828
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:27,039
the mirage of them, whatever's creating this, you know. Yeah,

829
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:29,280
it's that being caught in a spell, isn't it. It's

830
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,920
not being caught in this spell, this terrible spell, until

831
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,440
it's all over and done with. As again, I'm just

832
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,800
it's this mini hypothesis which is punching these things out,

833
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,559
you know, who knows?

834
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there are My brain is whizzing around

835
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,679
about a million miles an hour at the minute, trying

836
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:52,000
to trying to think about what the ramifications of all

837
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,400
this is, because I mean I started to think when

838
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,679
you're talking about that, then about well, you know, if

839
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,320
you bring in real engine into this, for instance, I mean,

840
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,639
could you be looking at something which we have perceived

841
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:10,360
to be something demonic or something which is very devil like,

842
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:16,559
which is manipulating us for its own for its own purposes.

843
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, it seems to be belief. Yeah, although although

844
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,599
it has concentrated to a degree on the manner in

845
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:30,119
which it appears. I believe even the men in Black,

846
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,719
a lot of them were this thing, you know, I mean,

847
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:36,079
you know the men in Black were this force. After

848
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:38,440
when they've had an encounter. It makes it even more terrifying,

849
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,400
doesn't it. There are so many different kinds of creatures reported,

850
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,159
certainly in the National Parks. I mean, you know that

851
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,440
it just struck me as being too much, just too much.

852
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,960
And this is what narrows it down logically, although we're

853
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,000
talking about something that's completely illogical, logically it would now

854
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:03,119
it down to something sinister. Do you know what? It

855
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:06,519
reminds me of the wonderful, brilliant Stephen King, a wonderful

856
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,199
master horror writer. Absolutely love that man.

857
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: He wrote a book called it. I knew you were

858
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:13,559
going to go there in.

859
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:16,639
Speaker 3: That Yeah, Penny, why is the clown? Yeah? And this thing,

860
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:21,519
this thing could change into people's worst nightmare. I mean,

861
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,880
I mean, I love mister King, absolutely do. I'm actually,

862
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,960
I will tell you now I boasted little bit. Although

863
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,079
I'm not boastful at all. I've got an ego to Bruce.

864
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,920
We heard from him. I'd sent him Philip and I

865
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,199
had sent him a copy of our science fiction book. Oh,

866
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,039
it was twenty ten, many years ago. And although the

867
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:41,519
King himself, the wonderful King, did not write back, his

868
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:44,800
secretary wrote back. And I also sent some images of

869
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,280
my reptilians with this book, some of my pencil drawings

870
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,960
in when I drew in pencil of these reptilian beings. Well,

871
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,760
he kept them and he kept the book, and he said,

872
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,840
mister King is very pleased to hear from you. He

873
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,880
couldn't endorse our book because we wanted them to endorse it.

874
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:03,320
So it would have been around twenty ten, because the

875
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,960
dear man, you know, is so busy, my goodness, you know,

876
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,800
but he wished us well with it, and so I thought, oh,

877
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,079
my word, is such a lovely gentleman. We've heard we've

878
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:15,719
actually touched the edge of Stephen King. We've actually touched

879
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:16,239
his world.

880
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: But I'm a very bizarre world it is as well.

881
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:23,079
Speaker 3: Yeah. But the thing is that it was a genius

882
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:30,960
thing to conceive, because we are dealing with something like that. Now,

883
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:36,800
has that in itself cottoned onto this best selling, international

884
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:41,039
award winning author's mind to conjure these things to enforce

885
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:44,800
its program of deceit? Who knows, but certainly there are

886
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,280
similarities to that, and mister King's marvelous it. And I'm

887
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,360
referring to the actual original TV series, which I enjoyed better,

888
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:54,960
no disrespect to the movie makers of the film. That's

889
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,760
for the new generation, but referring back to the original

890
00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:01,280
mini series, which I absolutely adorre. And that thing was

891
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,039
something from the multiverse, so, you know, an inter dimensional

892
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:08,239
kind of entity. I know he portrayed it as a spider,

893
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:12,119
a giant spider, but the emphasis is there, you know

894
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:13,960
what I mean, something quite different.

895
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and something that's that's controlling all manipulating us. No,

896
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,599
it's it's it's quite quite bizarre that because I think

897
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:25,719
probably about twenty minutes ago when when when you were

898
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,239
telling me about the book, I started to get an

899
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,519
image of a clown. Yeah, went through my mind, and

900
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:38,679
it was exactly that sort of control in devious entity

901
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,920
that that I was getting a mental image of.

902
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the only thing logically that I can try

903
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,199
and think of. I mean, as I said, I might

904
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:52,599
well be wrong, but it would seem that the proof

905
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,199
is in the pudding basically, you know, I mean, when

906
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:58,079
you rationally look at it, you've got as yourself you're

907
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:02,119
Marvelus was such a sl dig whereas others don't. Do

908
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,400
not be disrespectful that people saying no, you're wrong, they

909
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,960
don't look into it. It's like time travel. I'll just

910
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,840
touch on that, just very briefly. I've denounced it, and

911
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,719
I've been attacked already for that. But you see, time

912
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:18,639
is in itself an illusion. Time was created by man.

913
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,280
There's no such thing as time. It's a mere measurement.

914
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:24,000
What are they going to drive the machine through? Hgu

915
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:26,440
Welds had a beautiful vision and it was fantastic, but

916
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:30,480
unfortunately time is not a reality. This is why I

917
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,079
keep thinking. I said to Philip, my brother, you know,

918
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,519
when we look at the universe, we're using our own time.

919
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,360
The universe does not pandit to it at all, has

920
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,239
nothing to do with time, nor does these things perhaps

921
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,519
entering our realm. You know, we have only just created

922
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:48,800
time as a form of measurement. So you know, think

923
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,800
on that. You know, for the people who will denounce it,

924
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,679
it would cause a lot of controversy because I'll be stating, well,

925
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:57,840
you're wrong. There's people from the future where when how

926
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:00,599
we need proof and we've got nothing. Even with this

927
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,480
subject mere speculation.

928
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,159
Speaker 1: It's it's just a way of quantifying the difference between

929
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:09,159
and point being in your life, Isn't that?

930
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? The point is we are always in the now.

931
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,599
We have created the past. There are memories, the future

932
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,639
is aspirations, what is to come? We have developed mental

933
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,920
models of these, so it becomes dogmatic. But the point is,

934
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,679
and the truth is, we are only of the now. Man,

935
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,559
it's created time. If we think of that, then you're

936
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,320
going to make progress, or people make progress with this

937
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:35,159
ideology of you know where they're coming from, because I

938
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,639
don't believe it's time. It's it's soft. There might be

939
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:41,000
something else. And I've mentioned this in illusions, but I'm

940
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:43,719
not going to state it on here. But it's certainly

941
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,639
not time. There might be something else to it, but

942
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:46,960
it's not time. Do you know?

943
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,639
Speaker 1: That is really strange because where I live, we have

944
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,519
a cricket pitch in the middle of the village and

945
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,880
it's it's a big or green space, which is which

946
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,400
is is sort of like you know, a communal area

947
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:05,480
that people can go and walk the dogs and so on,

948
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:09,480
and all the way around it are part benches that

949
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:14,800
people have donated when they've lost loved ones, and there's

950
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,519
obviously there's there's usually a little plaques on to say that,

951
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:20,320
you know, this particular bench has been donated by such

952
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,000
and such a body. One of them that I walk

953
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:25,920
past with the dogs on a regular basis actually has

954
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,880
an inscription on it, and it does say and I

955
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,639
and this is this is honest truth. It says time

956
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,920
is an illusion. There is only now.

957
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 3: Wow, do you know what that was meant to be, Craig,

958
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,320
I was meant to hear that. You know what? That is? Freaky,

959
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:44,679
isn't it.

960
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: When I take the dogs for a walk tomorrow, I

961
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:51,880
will take a photograph of it, and I will I

962
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,119
will pop it on my Facebook page and I'll send

963
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:55,159
you a photograph of it.

964
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: Wrong. Oh wow, that's okay.

965
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,559
Speaker 1: Just really it is, isn't it. I really really spoke it.

966
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:05,719
But it's it's a it's a phrase that after the

967
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,360
first time I saw it, it's a phrase that's stuck

968
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:08,679
with me.

969
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's absolutely true, absolutely true. You know, I

970
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,840
was I was sucked in. Don't get me wrong. I

971
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,679
was sucked into time travel when I was younger because

972
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:19,280
I was ignorant.

973
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: And so that's exciting, isn't it.

974
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the idea. I mean, I'd love to

975
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,360
go back and see the Tarana source recks at a

976
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,719
safe distance, of course, because I'm fascinated with that beast.

977
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:30,480
But there's no way around it.

978
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:36,199
Speaker 1: Actually, no, absolutely not. That's just that's that's just blow

979
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,800
my mind a little bit. That To be honest, I

980
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,079
think that's a really good point for for you to

981
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:42,480
to tell us where we can get your book.

982
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's available from Amazon because the mainstream publishers

983
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,119
won't touch up with a barge pole feeling well, I've

984
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,280
been very naughty, and now I have. I've mentioned some

985
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,159
things about the government as well, which aren't very positive.

986
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,000
Very lightly but not very positive. I've been brought up

987
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:06,400
to know my manners to be respectful, but some things

988
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,039
just need to be addressed. A few things. The book

989
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,079
is available from Amazon. It's called Illusions, and it's published

990
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:16,679
by Philip mentor the wonderful Philip Mentors Find Dispress, and

991
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,519
it's available as hard back, paperback ebook. And also the audio. Now,

992
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:24,119
I love the audio because it's an American and he's

993
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:26,199
got a kind of tongue in cheek voice. I love it.

994
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,000
You know, it gets the message across THEO. But it's

995
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,840
got a smashing voice obulous.

996
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: I'll definitely have to chat that out then. It's been

997
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,480
an absolute pleasure talking to you, O. Thank you. You've

998
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,920
You're one of those guests that I remember the first

999
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,039
time I sport to you, when when I when I

1000
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,280
stopped recording and I went away and thoughts about what

1001
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,679
we talked about. You left me with a with a

1002
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:49,719
hell of a lot more questions than I had when

1003
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,000
I first started to speak to you. And I think

1004
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:53,800
you've done it again.

1005
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,239
Speaker 3: Well it works vice versa. You know, we we need

1006
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,679
we we bounce off each other people, this is what

1007
00:57:59,719 --> 00:57:59,920
we need.

1008
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely No.

1009
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: A lot of people have ego and they won't give

1010
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,599
anything out, whereas if you bash it out. Always said,

1011
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,320
if you have a room full of researchers, you might

1012
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,280
get somewhere with the chalk board and a stick of chalk.

1013
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,239
Speaker 1: I think I think a health and discussion on this,

1014
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,760
on on these sort of subjects is interesting. I think

1015
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,559
it's stimulating. I'm sure the people that have listened to

1016
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,840
the podcast have found it as fascinating as I have,

1017
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,159
because it's certainly again it's one of those subjects that

1018
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,079
really does raise more questions than than answers.

1019
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,159
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely said this in way this the proof. There's

1020
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:36,880
no proof, but.

1021
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: Sure, I'll sleep very well tonight.

1022
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 3: Now.

1023
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: It's been absolute pleasure on Thank you so much for

1024
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,280
coming on and helpe speak again soon and good luck

1025
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,079
with the book. Never never mind about the publishers. They've

1026
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:53,320
got absolutely no idea. Philip Phillips, the man isn't he

1027
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,760
he'll he'll push it for and take it forward. And

1028
00:58:57,239 --> 00:59:00,159
I just urge anybody who listens to this podcast go

1029
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:03,639
out and either buy the book or or in fact,

1030
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:06,239
I am definitely gonna listen to the audio book because

1031
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,480
I'm quite intrigued thereby how this gentleman delivers it. So

1032
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:12,039
I think I think that could be quite fun to

1033
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:12,440
listen to.

1034
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Craig, and always an absolute pleasure

1035
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:17,800
or will gentlemen, Oh.

1036
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: Thank you, you're very welcome, and you too, thank you

1037
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,320
for being a guest again.

1038
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,199
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, goodbye, thank you, take care.

1039
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:29,519
Speaker 1: You can visit my website at www dot Craig Bryant

1040
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:33,800
dot co dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return and remember

1041
00:59:34,119 --> 01:00:00,239
to keep watching the shadows