WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:01.240 It's a big night. 2 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.799 It's a big, big night for fans of local sports 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:10.640 television programs, maybe even a historic night as the final 4 00:00:10.759 --> 00:00:15.240 edition of Talking Jazz for this season, not ever. Yeah, 5 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:18.559 but still it's a big night as we huge welcome 6 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:22.000 in the off season Talking Sports and the man, not 7 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:24.239 the goat, but the man over there is Dave Fox. 8 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:26.800 Although Dave, how are you good? How are you normally? 9 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.320 Not normally? But over the last few years Locke has 10 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.479 wrapped up Talking Jazz. Yeah, but come on, but you 11 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:36.280 set me straight last year and so now it's you. Yes, 12 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:37.640 Plus he wasn't available. 13 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:40.960 Well, I mean, ultimately, people just want top shelf talent 14 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:41.759 for the closer. 15 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.119 That's true, That's that's isn't I mean, that's where your 16 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:47.240 hardest throwing pitcher is, right, he's the closer. 17 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:47.560 Yeah. 18 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.719 Indeed, indeed, so you bringing the talent to close out 19 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:52.520 the season tonight ten thirty. 20 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:54.640 Five, Cam Yu, Yeah, I'm excited. Care to give us 21 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:56.840 a little primer? Well, we're gonna talk a little bit. 22 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:59.799 You know, we talked so much about Cooper flag, you know, 23 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:01.000 the capture the flag. 24 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:02.240 But what if that doesn't happen? 25 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.920 Spence is gonna tell you why you know, it's this 26 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:07.920 guy is not falling and kind of take you through 27 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:10.159 the next few And then the question I always have 28 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:13.280 is this group of jazz players we just watched, you know, 29 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:16.519 limp through this season. You know who's coming back that 30 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:18.879 really excites you, that needs to step up, that needs 31 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:19.319 to be the man? 32 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:21.159 And Spence's gonna give you a couple of names for that. 33 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:23.760 And I think we're gonna get your NBA predictions as well, 34 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.840 East and West champions and the overall champions. So what 35 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.079 more could you ask for? And Timmy Peterson's gonna drop 36 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:30.319 in the top five jazz place. 37 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:33.319 My guy, Yeah, my guy, Timmy Peter, you go, how 38 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:34.000 is my guy doing? 39 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:36.159 He's you know, I just left the studio to walk 40 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:38.439 over here, and he's hard at work putting it all 41 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:39.079 together for you. 42 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:42.079 Right, because he puts together all the shows. 43 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:45.920 He writes the five questions with Spence, what exactly what what? 44 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:48.640 What exactly do you do you do over there? I 45 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:50.519 read it. That's what you say. 46 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:52.920 You're a professional reader. I mean you do it at 47 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:55.560 a high level that you are. You are my life 48 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:59.560 mentor forty years in this business whatever, with never having 49 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:01.640 worked to in your life I can remember back in 50 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:03.680 the day when you would take a helicopter to high 51 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:04.719 school football games. 52 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:07.480 Was that before the Fox is Den? No? 53 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.280 That was after Okay, but now what I do is 54 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:12.759 even more time consuming, as you know, because I'm calling 55 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:13.319 the game. 56 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:14.960 Right in two a week. But do you take a 57 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.240 helicopter to those games? No? But that would be cool. 58 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:19.280 You need to get that. You might be onto something. 59 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.560 Who do you negotiate your contract with our guy? Can't 60 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:24.800 you know what? Leave that to me. I'm gonna you're 61 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.319 gonna handle that. I'm gonna negotiate your work in a helicopter. 62 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:28.039 I'm gonna get you. 63 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.280 Helicopter transportation every high school football and basketball game. 64 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:33.599 There's a reason we don't have a helicopter anymore. You 65 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:35.439 know what much it costs to operate those things? 66 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:38.439 A lot for it. Yeah, so, but I'm gonna have 67 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:40.599 to drive. But refresh my memory. Once upon a time, 68 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:41.800 weren't you taking a helicopter? 69 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.039 We called it the Touchdown Report, and I hit three 70 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:48.000 games a night on Friday. I'm the helicopter. We'd fly 71 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:50.439 in back then a lot. You know, the kids still 72 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:53.240 watch television, so they'd have shines for you in cakes 73 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.919 and all treats and everything, and we would get we'd 74 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.240 hit three games in about ninety minutes and then come 75 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:01.120 back and put together report on it. It was so 76 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:03.560 much fun. I love flying, loved it. It was just 77 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:07.719 a blast. What a setup that is? Oh it was great. 78 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.639 Why did you guys stop doing is expect Well, because 79 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:12.960 we didn't have the helicopter anymore. That's you know, first 80 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:16.280 of all, you need a helicopter. Problems, you know. I 81 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:18.159 will tell you a funny story though, the first year 82 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:21.199 after we didn't have the helicopter, somebody the station tried 83 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.520 to get me to do what we call the chopper report. 84 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.840 But it was it was a Harley with a side car. 85 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:28.479 That would be awesome. 86 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:30.960 They actually did. I drove into what I'll never forget. 87 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.120 It was a Bingham High school. Did it once and 88 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:35.280 then it was like, yeah, we're not doing that again. 89 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.840 Were you driving the motorcycle in the sidecar? Who was 90 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.479 driving the bike? Our GM at the time. All right, 91 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.280 he's not there anymore. But his brilliant idea. And I 92 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:46.639 was like, this is a terrible idea. 93 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:47.680 Hear that again? 94 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:52.800 Moving forward? Mikelic on the bike, Yes, and I think 95 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:53.599 that I think we need to. 96 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:54.199 Bring that back. 97 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:57.800 No, we're not gonna do that. 98 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:58.960 Just a hard no. Yeah. 99 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.680 And here's a funny thing talk about. This is just 100 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:05.240 you know, Hollywood, right. I drove to the game and 101 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:08.199 then got in the sidecar around back behind the school 102 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.000 and then we drove around. Oh okay, it wasn't even 103 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:12.639 reality was behind the scenes. 104 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.000 Hey, show business, show business. It was horrible. 105 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:18.079 Tell me what it's been like as the Jazz TV partner. 106 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:22.800 You know, when when when Quinn had his best teams 107 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:27.319 with Gobert and Mitchell and they're winning fifty five or 108 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.120 whatever games every year and they're advancing to the postseason. 109 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:34.560 The Jazz were the second highest rated NBA team from 110 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:37.879 a local standpoint. Number one was Golden State. I remember 111 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:39.439 this because I was over at the team of the 112 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.480 time and the Golden State Warriors team that I believe 113 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.800 they're number one again this year in local TV ratings. 114 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:48.639 But back then that was peak Steph, that was peak Durant, 115 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:52.240 that was peak playing peak Draymond. So they're winning NBA titles, 116 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.519 but the Jazz from a local standpoint were number two, 117 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.519 and of course when the winning stopped. The attendance has 118 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:01.120 been good, but the TV have been turned off a 119 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:02.959 little bit. So what's it been like to call them 120 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:03.879 as the TV partner? 121 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:04.399 A couple of things. 122 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:06.519 First of all, remember when the Jazz back in the 123 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:08.879 days you were talking about, they weren't on local TV. 124 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:11.920 They were on cable. They were on what was that channel? 125 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:13.680 Was a Rocky Mountain something network? 126 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:17.759 Yeah, some rs they all went back exactly. It doesn't 127 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.120 even exist anymore. Root Sports. 128 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.040 Yeah, it became a number of those things. It was 129 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:24.920 always the same thing. They had like some ten year 130 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.160 deal that was absurd. So in that respect, I don't 131 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.160 even know. We weren't able to measure that against overnight 132 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.399 normal television over their ratings. 133 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:36.160 But and then two other things. 134 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:38.360 I'll tell you the ratings have actually been People still 135 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:41.000 watch the Jazz more so than the hockey, but the 136 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.800 hockey doesn't have as many television viewers because. 137 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.480 The station the hockey is on is not on Comcast. 138 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:51.639 Oh you're aware of that. I did not know that. 139 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:53.959 So that hurts a little bit. So that you know 140 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.839 the numbers of it's kind of like the fan base. 141 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.560 I mean, what they have gone through this year is difficult, 142 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:02.439 whether it's you know, whether you're a player, whether you're 143 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:04.560 a fan, whether you're a broadcaster. I mean, it's tough, 144 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.759 but they're still there. And it's the same thing with viewership. 145 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:12.199 They're still watching. So we don't get the overnights quickly 146 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.079 as we used to. But I'm sure at the end 147 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.759 of the season we'll do some big breakdown on exactly 148 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:18.519 how good they those are and I'll let you know. 149 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:19.279 Did you hear? 150 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:22.120 I did not mean to have a ratings conversation because 151 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:23.920 I know you guys do a good job, but when 152 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:26.519 teams lose, fans are going to turn the TV off. 153 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.439 But did you hear justin xanik yesterday? Did your Xana? 154 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:31.839 I heard part of it? Yeah, Porter, can we bring back? 155 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:36.160 Is the biggest highlight from xanax pressure yesterday for Dave, Like, 156 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:38.000 let's do you tell me when you're ready for that? 157 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:39.120 Hi? 158 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:40.639 Everyone? 159 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:41.160 Ow? 160 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:42.920 Are you Spence? Good to see you? All right? 161 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:44.959 That's okay, good? Now, that's enough. No, I just wanted 162 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.160 it in case you. 163 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.000 Got a Spence mentioned I missed that part. 164 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.199 Dave, don't overthink it. Game recognizes game. It's not a 165 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:53.879 big deal. It's just like when your two basketball minds 166 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:55.240 in the same room. You just kind of have this 167 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:56.160 synergistic thing. 168 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.240 Okay, I got a text Timmy right now, I just 169 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:01.519 got a new idea for the open of Time night show. Well, look, 170 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:05.120 did that make the feed that they because sometimes. 171 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:05.560 They edit those. 172 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:08.240 But I mean, obviously I'm beging tongue in cheek because 173 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:12.279 Justin's I'm not the first thing that Justin said after 174 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.040 greeting a fellow basketball simon again I don't want to 175 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:18.920 talk about it was he praised the fan base for 176 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:22.759 sticking with them during this process. And Justin's point, which 177 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.759 is correct, is if you go across the landscape of 178 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.959 pro basketball and if you attend games in other markets 179 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.480 where they're doing what the Jazz are doing, those buildings 180 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:37.240 are maybe half full, maybe, and those TV ratings are 181 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.360 in the toilet. What does this say to you about 182 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.000 the culture that has been built here for fifty years? 183 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.480 The Jazz fans are so intensely connected with this team, 184 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:45.879 even when they're not serious about winning. 185 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:46.439 Well, two things. 186 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.759 First of all, there are some decent teams in the 187 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.160 NBA that don't have full buildings, So don't forget that. 188 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.519 I mean, I'm not I'm obviously, you know, the Lakers 189 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:55.480 fill it up, and the top teams do, There's no 190 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:59.360 doubt about that. But secondly, if you go back over, 191 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.560 the Jazz have been through a couple of these, never 192 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:03.480 as bad as this, obviously they have. They have more 193 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:05.360 losses this year than they've ever had before, but they've 194 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.800 been a couple of through a couple of rebuilding process. 195 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.600 Remember when Jerry Sloan left and Ty Corbin took over 196 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.759 and the team really struggled, and even then they were 197 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:13.600 still filling up. 198 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:16.560 I think a couple of things are the Jazz have. 199 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:22.360 Been the pro sport for so long that you know, 200 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:26.120 everyone just has embraced them. You know there's more now obviously, 201 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:29.680 and it's growing, but from the word go, now, first. 202 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:31.040 Couple of years, it wasn't so good. Right. 203 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.919 Your dad was involved in helping turn things around, so 204 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:35.960 he remembers those days. You remember the old Frank Laden 205 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.240 line when Yeah, someone called up with time the game is, 206 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:39.440 I said, what time can you be here? 207 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:41.919 Things like that. Shout out to Fran classic line, shout 208 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:43.120 out absolutely. 209 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:45.799 But I I just I think when you adopt the 210 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:50.320 team and you're that invested for that long, your heart 211 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:52.919 just doesn't leave it. And kids were raised on it, 212 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.200 and now they're raising their kids on it, and maybe 213 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:57.759 it'll change when we get more and more. 214 00:08:57.840 --> 00:08:59.919 We've got a hockey team now, we have soccer. 215 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:03.080 In the sun, and what happens when the Millers get 216 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.440 Major League Baseball, which I think will happen. Maybe that 217 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.360 dilutes some things, but I just think, you know, there's 218 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:12.440 there's a loyalty, a level of loyalty that you just 219 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:16.679 don't see with other markets that have way more choices 220 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.440 than we used to have. It's you know, it's getting 221 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.200 better now and they've just stuck with it. It's very impressive, 222 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.120 really impressive. So I don't know how much longer they 223 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:24.480 can do it. 224 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:27.159 And that's where I want to go next, because and 225 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:30.799 Justin alluded to this and Will was kind of asked 226 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:34.639 about it loosely as well, And the reality is it's 227 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.159 just like people ask me like, hey, how will Alex 228 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:38.720 Jensen's first team be. 229 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:40.759 I'm like, I don't know who's playing for him. 230 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:42.960 I have no idea, And so we get into a 231 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.039 conversation like what do the Jazz look like next year? 232 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:47.799 And the reality is we don't know because there are 233 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.320 so many dominoes that have to fall and pieces that 234 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:52.960 could fall into place, and if they get one, and 235 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:55.200 if they get Cooper, we have a different conversation. 236 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:57.720 But they their. 237 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:59.840 Floor is five as a result of being the worst 238 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:04.480 in the NBA because of a strange echosystem, ecosystem that 239 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:09.039 is incentivizing losing, and that's what pro basketball does, which 240 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.919 needs to change. But if you're going to incentivize losing 241 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.399 for teams in certain situations, if I'm Xanic and Age, 242 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.279 I'm doing the same thing they're doing, so I'd get it. 243 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:18.360 But as a result of being the worst team in 244 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:21.000 the NBA, your prize is a top five pick, but 245 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:21.840 it could be five. 246 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:23.720 And if it's five, we get into VJ. 247 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:27.720 Edgecomb and Trey Johnson and and players that have some promise. 248 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:30.600 But I don't think it's fair to expect them to 249 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:32.960 land on the ground to do what Cooper could potentially do. 250 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:35.799 So if the lottery luck doesn't go their way, the 251 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:37.720 fact of the matter is next year could look a 252 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:40.080 lot like this year, and we could be sitting here 253 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.679 in April of twenty twenty six having the very same 254 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:45.000 conversation we're having right now. 255 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:49.240 So my question for you, David Fox, is how long. 256 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.320 Does this fan base stick around if there's no tangible 257 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:52.639 proof they're moving in the right direction. 258 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:53.279 Well, I don't. 259 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.960 I think you could maybe could survive another year with 260 00:10:57.039 --> 00:10:58.200 a little bit of a drop off. 261 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.240 But Spence, let me tell it to the next level here. 262 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:04.360 I think if the Jazz somehow lady luck shines on them, 263 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:05.960 they get the number one pick and they end up 264 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.600 with Cooper Flag, I don't see how you can do 265 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:13.480 anything but go full speed ahead and let me let 266 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.000 me ask you this. Tell me if you disagree with 267 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.399 me on this, if they had not played the tank 268 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:21.159 game and had not sat all the players that they did, 269 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:23.360 I'm not saying that, you know, they weren't actually hurt, 270 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:24.879 but you know what I'm saying, if. 271 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.159 If maybe they win, David, they weren't actually hurt. Okay, 272 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:29.879 never mind, I'm trying to be I've tried to be 273 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:33.080 Adam Michel. That's what I said. So let's say they 274 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:33.600 don't do that. 275 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:36.679 Would you agree with me that this, if everyone plays 276 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:38.799 when they're supposed to play all the time, this might 277 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.840 be another ten or fifteen win plus team, which puts 278 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:44.279 them over thirty, which means they're knocking on the door 279 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:46.360 being a playoff team. So next year, if you if 280 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.360 you do get Cooper Flag and he goes into your 281 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:52.559 starting lineup, I say, you're all in, You're done with that. 282 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:57.080 But I have a feeling that anything but Cooper flag 283 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.559 could mean another year of this. I don't agree that 284 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:01.440 if you get Flag, you do one more year of this. 285 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:02.399 That's what I'm saying. 286 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:04.720 If they win fifteen more games this year, they win 287 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:06.799 thirty two games and that's not enough for the. 288 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.320 Of the playoffs, but it's getting close. Yeah, but that's 289 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.759 no man's land, Dave, Like, that's where you don't your 290 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:14.360 improving though, that's what you're trying to do. It took. 291 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.279 It took Oklahoma City and Houston and Detroit the same 292 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:18.159 kind of improvement. 293 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.879 Yeah, you're talking about Kaid, Cunningham and SGA. You're talking 294 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.879 about teams that actually legitimately have cornerstone pieces. 295 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:25.679 The Jazz have to find one of those. What if 296 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.279 they do get him in flag, Well, that's what I'm saying. 297 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.159 If they do get Cooper Flagg, then I think we 298 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.720 have a different conversation about what next year could look like. 299 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.120 And we'll talk about this tonight on the show. Because 300 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.279 if you put Cooper Flag next to Walker and next 301 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.720 to Lowry, now you also have to hope that this 302 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:45.039 offseason brings incremental improvement to Kyante and Isaiah, because if 303 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.039 we operate off the premise that hypothetically the Jazz get lucky. 304 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.679 Their front court is stacked, but they need guard play 305 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:53.360 and they need shooting. They're not just Cooper Flag away 306 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.440 from being good. But if they approach next year and 307 00:12:56.480 --> 00:12:59.399 there's no incremental resting of veterans, and they bring other 308 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:01.759 pieces back and they're able to add some ancillary pieces 309 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:04.519 to a good front court, then yes, you see a 310 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:08.759 tangible step forward. But how good is that roster juxtaposed 311 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:12.559 to Luca and Lebron and Jokic and Okasee. And that's 312 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:15.000 why I do think there is this possibility out there 313 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:17.879 that even with Cooper Flag, they look at a draft 314 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:20.360 next year with the Boozer twins and aj debantsa in 315 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:23.159 like five or six generational pieces, and we do see 316 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:26.120 this again next year. I'm not saying that's what will happen. 317 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.080 I'm saying there's a world that that's a possibility. 318 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:30.480 Well, I to circle back then to the original question. 319 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:32.559 I don't think the fans are going to suddenly abandon 320 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:34.679 for one more year of this If they see some 321 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:37.440 sort of progress, and that doesn't even necessarily mean a 322 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:40.840 number of wins, because what, like you said, if you win, 323 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:41.759 what was there between. 324 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:43.399 Winning thirty games and seventeen games? 325 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.519 Either way, you're a lottery team, only you're you get 326 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:49.519 a worse pick. But maybe it looks a little better 327 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:51.679 to the fan base to not finish dead last and 328 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:55.320 be very you know, competitive throughout it. It's a hard one. 329 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.399 That's a tough one, Spence. I think they're going to 330 00:13:57.440 --> 00:13:59.120 stay with them as long as they can. If if 331 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:01.039 you weren't shown it progress, if you were just a 332 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.480 terrible team, you're not even tanking, you just stink, and 333 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:06.600 there have been teams like that throughout the history of 334 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:09.480 the NBA, then that's maybe where you start to lose 335 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:12.039 a fan base. But at least they can see progress. 336 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:13.639 The next thing you have to worry about it is 337 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:17.639 players that lose engagement. Like Lowry's been extremely patient. Now 338 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.399 he also has a nice pig fat contract, so that helps, 339 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:22.279 but you know, how much more does he want to 340 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.600 do this this kind of thing? And you know, I'm 341 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.320 calling Sexton he's he's so determined and loves to play. 342 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:29.759 I don't see that being an issue. 343 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:31.960 But there are probably some guys that are like, let's 344 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:36.240 you know, Clarkson maybe, uh, Colin say, I don't need 345 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:38.840 another year of this, Let's let's move on for me. 346 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.759 I wonder how it resonates with their coach. I think 347 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:44.799 you heard him yesterday. What did he say yesterday? 348 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:46.720 I'm all in, what's he gonna say? Dave? 349 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:49.639 Because I thought Andy asked a pretty brave question. I mean, 350 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:52.799 the attention in the room was pretty palpable when Andy 351 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:54.240 asked him that. When he said, Hey, if there's a 352 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.159 team that actually wants to win, to want you, what 353 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:56.679 would you say? 354 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:58.759 Well, you're right. He can't say, well, heck, I'm gone. 355 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.279 If they fire Mark Dagnold, I want to coach o 356 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:02.080 Case tomorrow. 357 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:02.440 I mean. 358 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:05.200 The weird thing about this Will Hardy dynamic, and nobody 359 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.279 ever talks about it because Will never would. I think 360 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.360 he's been asked about it, but he brushes over it. 361 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:11.720 The head coach of the Boston Celtics should. 362 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:13.679 Be Will Hardy. Yeah, you're absolutely right. He was emy 363 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:15.159 Udoka's lead assistant. 364 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.720 He takes the Jazz job, and like two weeks later 365 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:21.120 they fire Udoka because of all the stuff that was 366 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:23.840 happening beyond the scenes. Now Mozilla gets the job. They've 367 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.080 won a championship, so they're finding Boston. But that job 368 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:28.919 should be Will's. And I often wonder, and really, if 369 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.200 I knew him better, I would ask him off the record, 370 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.960 like dude Tatum Brown, you know, like champion porzingis, because 371 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:37.759 I will talk about it tonight. I think they're winning 372 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.519 it again this year, and coaches, whether they like it 373 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.279 or not, their win loss record is attached to them forever. 374 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:45.879 And Will has won thirty three percent of his games. 375 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:47.600 I wonder how this lands with him. 376 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.519 You know, just neither one of us know him all 377 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.080 that well, but from what we hear out of him 378 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:56.440 night tonight, if he practices what he preaches, I think 379 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:58.720 it's one of those things where he's reconciled that and 380 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:01.039 he's moved on, And he moved on pretty quickly, That's 381 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.960 what I believe. And I think he's appreciates what Danny 382 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.720 Angel's done in terms of bringing him in, and I 383 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:10.279 think he understands what's going on here. And maybe maybe 384 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:13.679 he's you know, the Missoula, the Boston Celtics of four 385 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:17.960 or five years from now. Who knows well, you know, 386 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:19.639 I don't say they're gonna win a title. 387 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:21.600 No, I'm just saying, like, I don't care if it's 388 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.240 Joe Missoula, Will Hardy or Timmy p as the head coach. 389 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:28.360 When you have Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown and Chris 390 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:32.000 Tapsporzingis and Derek White and for the holiday. And that's 391 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:35.080 why my genuine hope for Will and my hope for 392 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:37.240 all of us who care about the jazz and cover 393 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:39.720 the jazz is we get to see what it looks 394 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.679 like when Will Hardy as a roster really really good players. 395 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.639 But here's the thing, Dave, They've got two years they're 396 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:47.879 on the clock. He's got an option next year. Then 397 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.159 he's got an option year five. And I'll tell you 398 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:53.639 what after five years, if they don't get the lottery 399 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.679 luck that we're hoping they get, and if next year 400 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:58.440 they go all in on a tank and once again 401 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.639