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Speaker 1: It wasn't on the list, but I had to ask
Speaker 1: you about this because the visuals are just so wild.
Speaker 1: Over in Atlanta, we had two Delta planes collided Atlanta
Speaker 1: Airport and the tail got knocked off.
Speaker 2: One the vertical stabilizer.
Speaker 4: You're right. You and I've talked about airplanes that clip before. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know one get one one jets being pulled back
Speaker 4: and it it nicks the plane next to it, and
Speaker 4: you really have to sometimes look to see, oh oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I see the little bit of damage right there on
Speaker 4: one of the airplanes.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: This is the first time I've ever seen an entire
Speaker 4: vertical stabilizer get ripped off the airplane. Now, you know,
Speaker 4: if you're one of Ohio State Patrol's finest and you're
Speaker 4: doing an investigation, a lot of times they will look
Speaker 4: at the position of your car to see, okay, where
Speaker 4: you had fault. I mean, where you were supposed to be.
Speaker 4: When you look at that Bombardier jet, the CRG nine hundred,
Speaker 4: it appears to be center line right there on the taxiway,
Speaker 4: kind of where.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be.
Speaker 4: So that makes you think that the much larger A
Speaker 4: three eight three point fifty that came by on its
Speaker 4: way to Tokyo when it ripped off that tail might
Speaker 4: not have been exactly where it should have been. So fortunately,
Speaker 4: no injuries. Sadly, you know, two planes we had passengers
Speaker 4: that had canceled flights. They had to reroute them, but
Speaker 4: nobody got hurt.
Speaker 2: And that's always a good thing. When you got two.
Speaker 4: Fully fueled aircraft that are preparing to take off. This
Speaker 4: wasn't a bump, this wasn't a clip. This is something
Speaker 4: that had a degree of speed to it. So I'll
Speaker 4: be very, very anxious to see the NTSB report when
Speaker 4: it's finalized.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, you know there's got to be some
Speaker 1: sort of video of this. I mean at an airport.
Speaker 4: Well, you know there should be. You know, Atlanta is
Speaker 4: the busiest airport in the world. They've got cameras everywhere
Speaker 4: at It's always surprises me when somebody's running from the
Speaker 4: police they run into the airport. It's like, I'll run
Speaker 4: into this casino.
Speaker 2: They will never spine me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they got cameras everywhere, I know.
Speaker 1: I love that about convenience store robberies, was like, it's
Speaker 1: on video. Here's a picture of the guy, Robin the
Speaker 1: convenience He's like everywhere in the world.
Speaker 2: Is like banks.
Speaker 1: You see banks, you could be the one place in
Speaker 1: the world where you knew there was gonna be video
Speaker 1: cameras you can look up and see when they never
Speaker 1: were any place euse Now they are literally everywhere on
Speaker 1: everybody's front door. And that obviously an airport. So I'm
Speaker 1: dying to see a least video of how this happened,
Speaker 1: because it's just the most odd thing to behold when
Speaker 1: you see that entire tail section just knocked right off.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's got to be on there really good.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not something that's sort.
Speaker 2: Of stuck off that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're designed not to come off. That's kind of
Speaker 4: the whole the whole thing there. And you know, we'll
Speaker 4: see if the smaller Endeavor air Delta subsidiary was where
Speaker 4: they were supposed to be or not. But regardless, when
Speaker 4: you're at the middle of your taxi way, there shouldn't
Speaker 4: be danger of your aircraft coming into contact with any
Speaker 4: other aircraft anywhere at all. So again, it may have
Speaker 4: been the smaller airplane's fault, I don't think. So we're
Speaker 4: gonna to wait and see exactly, and the investigation will
Speaker 4: find out and Brand has always will learn from it
Speaker 4: will make commercial aviation say for him. You know, when
Speaker 4: you go back and look at the history of accidents
Speaker 4: decade by decade, you're struck in the seventies and the eighties,
Speaker 4: even the nineties about how many plane disasters we had
Speaker 4: in the course of a single year. And so when
Speaker 4: we see something like this that takes place where okay,
Speaker 4: nobody was injured and we can learn from it. And
Speaker 4: then you look at the number of non accidents really
Speaker 4: that we've had decade after decade, it really just goes
Speaker 4: to show that we are learning from all of these
Speaker 4: incidents and we are making commercial aviation safer as a result,
Speaker 4: not only for US carriers, but this information will be
Speaker 4: shared with airlines all over the world.
Speaker 1: That's a very valid point. Day, I learn from your
Speaker 1: own mistakes. You think Boeing would take that intoer heart, right, Well.
Speaker 4: There's also a self reporting situation. If you and I
Speaker 4: are flying a flight of a commercial airline and we
Speaker 4: make a mistake, we're protected if we report our mistake,
Speaker 4: and we're encouraged to do so so that we can
Speaker 4: a learn from our mistake, have others learn from it,
Speaker 4: and then finally make sure that we try to provide
Speaker 4: information that would prevent future crews from making that same mistake.
Speaker 4: And it's maybe not done all the time, but it
Speaker 4: is reported a lot of times where these pilots will
Speaker 4: self report themselves with regards to something that took place. Now,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of times something happens where they are
Speaker 4: not as forthcoming as they should be, but many crews
Speaker 4: are that and hats off to those men and women
Speaker 4: because they're saying, look, okay, we made a mistake we
Speaker 4: shouldn't have, but we're gonna learn from it and hopefully
Speaker 4: other crews can learn from it as well well.
Speaker 1: Well, Paul, I to bring Jay Ratliffe back, continuing with
Speaker 1: our safety incident, apparently some serious ones regarding Southwest Airlines.
Speaker 1: We've got some cash fines for flight delays maybe coming
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Speaker 1: Friday Eve Bright Time was with Ourheart media aviation expert
Speaker 1: Jay Rattler, pivoting over in terms of safety incidents, moving
Speaker 1: away from the tail falling off the airplane.
Speaker 2: Southwest Airlines, what's going on with this one?
Speaker 4: I've talked about a couple of Southwest incidents that have
Speaker 4: really been strange. One flight coming out Honolulu that got
Speaker 4: to about one thousand feet and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: the plane started to descend to four hundred feet above
Speaker 4: the ocean before it resumed its flight only to determine
Speaker 4: there was weather issues and they had deturned to come back. Then,
Speaker 4: when a flight going into Omahall that was on final
Speaker 4: approach it should have been at about three thousand feet,
Speaker 4: they were buzzing a neighborhood at five hundred FeOH and
Speaker 4: air traffic Control had to call them and say, is
Speaker 4: everything okay? And they said yeah, why because you're a
Speaker 4: lot lower than you should be. Then we had a
Speaker 4: flight coming into Tampa to Southwest Airlines much lower than
Speaker 4: it should have been. So after all of these and more,
Speaker 4: the Federal Aviation Administration has opened up an investigation and
Speaker 4: Southwest Airlines has determined then it's a good time for
Speaker 4: their eleven thousand pilots to undergo a full one day
Speaker 4: of safety training. Over the next year, the eleven thousand
Speaker 4: pilots can be required to attend these safety sessions in
Speaker 4: hopes of reducing the number of these incidents and Brian,
Speaker 4: when you look at Southwest pilots, these men and women,
Speaker 4: a lot of mix military. I mean, these are individuals
Speaker 4: who are all stars. They know what they're doing. So
Speaker 4: when we had one situation over Honolulu, I thought, okay,
Speaker 4: maybe a new pilot who knows well, maybe a maintenance
Speaker 4: issue that contributed. But to have one after another after another,
Speaker 4: and to be so low and not be aware of
Speaker 4: it is what just blows my mind. I'm thinking, how
Speaker 4: can you have two incredibly trained pilots at an altitude
Speaker 4: much lower than they should be and totally unaware of it.
Speaker 4: So we still don't know what caused those situations, but
Speaker 4: Southwest is saying and probably this is legally a preemptive move,
Speaker 4: you know, so that they can show the FA that, okay,
Speaker 4: we're trying to take care of the situation kind of
Speaker 4: as a business does.
Speaker 2: That's to remediate.
Speaker 1: Yes, the remediation steps very important in the law and
Speaker 1: the area of a civil liability and legal liability.
Speaker 2: Cheese, Louise, I just can't imagine.
Speaker 1: We'll look, it goes five hundred feet, man, you'll see
Speaker 1: that unless you're at an airport and of someone's on
Speaker 1: final approach.
Speaker 4: Ran It was at twelve thirty in the morning, and
Speaker 4: it was waking people up out of their homes. They
Speaker 4: were calling nine one one thing and something's wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was something wrong, all right, Well, cash fines.
Speaker 1: Airlines's gonna be facing fines for flight delays.
Speaker 4: Biden administration's at it again. And you know, I do
Speaker 4: not like much of anything of the Biden administration, but
Speaker 4: they continue to go after airlines and their full steam ahead.
Speaker 4: They're saying that there's a proposed rule that would actually
Speaker 4: require US airlines to provide compensation cash to passengers for
Speaker 4: controllable that's gonna have to be in quotes. Cancellations are delays,
Speaker 4: and delays of three hours or more. They're talking about.
Speaker 4: This could roll down the pike as early as January
Speaker 4: of next year, and it would certainly be a game
Speaker 4: changer for US passengers and certainly the US aviation world
Speaker 4: because this type of rules are in place in many
Speaker 4: other countries around the world, and we are so late
Speaker 4: in getting there. Why Because it's the airlines. Many times
Speaker 4: it tells the government what they're going to do, not
Speaker 4: the other way around. And I'm really hoping that this
Speaker 4: goes forward, and I can promise you just like the
Speaker 4: transparent where the government wanted all the fees and everything
Speaker 4: shown up front that the airlines fought. You can bet
Speaker 4: your bottom dollar airlines are going to fight this tooth
Speaker 4: and nail, yeah, with their very powerful lobbying group, because
Speaker 4: they do not want this, because then they're going to
Speaker 4: be more accountable, they're gonna have to do a better job,
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And I love it.
Speaker 4: I love the airlines being held accountable because they get
Speaker 4: away with a lot that's just kind of you know,
Speaker 4: they should be find a lot more than they are,
Speaker 4: but it's negotiated down to some incredibly low amount with
Speaker 4: the promise they'll never do it again, and far too
Speaker 4: many times they get away with things. So when I
Speaker 4: see this administration holding their feet to the fire, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say thank you. Look, when the Bide administration does
Speaker 4: something stupid, which is often, I'm going to point it out.
Speaker 4: And when they do things that I like, I'm going
Speaker 4: to point it out. And certainly that's the case here.
Speaker 4: And I don't know any other administration that has gone
Speaker 4: after the airlines like this, And I do know in
Speaker 4: the late nineteen nineties there was a move to make
Speaker 4: airlines more customer service oriented. In fact, there was talk
Speaker 4: at that time of reregulating the industries industry from a
Speaker 4: standpoint of you guys are doing such a bad job,
Speaker 4: we may go back to the days of regulation, which
Speaker 4: we've not had since October of seventy eight, and Airlines
Speaker 4: Northwest included where.
Speaker 2: I was at.
Speaker 4: We took it very seriously. We had complaint resolution officers
Speaker 4: CROs on every shift to try to show that we
Speaker 4: were responding to those complaints. And then, of course the
Speaker 4: attacks of nine to eleven happened and everything went from
Speaker 4: safety and or service over to safety of the airplanes,
Speaker 4: and customer service was an afterthought, and we've never gone
Speaker 4: back since.
Speaker 1: We'll pause a little early in the break, but I'm
Speaker 1: want to take a break because I don't want to
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Speaker 1: In the meantime one we're second with Jay Rayle. If
Speaker 1: you're talking reflections on nine to eleven. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of things have changed since nine to eleven, including
Speaker 1: my view of life. Generally speaking. That guy jumping out
Speaker 1: of a window had just such a profound impact on
Speaker 1: the way I view the world. Jay, just contemplating all
Speaker 1: the bickering and the insignificant things that plague us each
Speaker 1: and every day. They're so unimportant. If you meet that
Speaker 1: moment in time where if you stick around in the room,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get burned to a crisp, or your other
Speaker 1: option is to jump ninety floors to your death. What's
Speaker 1: going into your mind at that moment in time when
Speaker 1: you're about to meet God. It's not what your neighbor's doing,
Speaker 1: or you know, just all the petty stuff would disappear,
Speaker 1: and I can't imagine that, but just seeing that guy
Speaker 1: jump just absolutely just it impacted me from that moment
Speaker 1: in time forward and I still reflect on that an
Speaker 1: unbelievably life changing day.
Speaker 4: And if you you know, yesterday, I spent time, as
Speaker 4: I tend to always do, on nine to eleven watching
Speaker 4: the documentary from the French Brothers were documenting firefighters not
Speaker 4: knowing anything months before and leading up to and they
Speaker 4: were in one of the towers when it collapsed, so
Speaker 4: it is a real time type of thing, and Brian,
Speaker 4: they can hear people jumping in the aftermath. It was
Speaker 4: just horrific. And you're right. And I remember that day
Speaker 4: because when the first plane hit the all the news
Speaker 4: sources were indicating that it was a small airplane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're.
Speaker 4: Thinking, okay, what weather related, and of course my phone
Speaker 4: started blowing up. But when the second plane hit, we
Speaker 4: knew we were under attack. We knew it was bin laden,
Speaker 4: and we knew other airplanes were probably involved. The FAA
Speaker 4: and the FBI were giving monthly updates to the aviation
Speaker 4: industry and I was a part of them at the
Speaker 4: time where they were letting us know that Bin Laden
Speaker 4: had made some credible threats against the aviation world, which
Speaker 4: he had done before, and we were fearful that there
Speaker 4: might be explosives in check luggage. We were fearful of
Speaker 4: surface to air missiles. We were trying to prepare for
Speaker 4: a lot of different contingencies on what might take place. Now,
Speaker 4: when that second plane hit, we knew this was the
Speaker 4: attack that we had been warned about. Now, the FAA
Speaker 4: had a gentleman by the name of Ben Sliney who
Speaker 4: was the head of the FAA that when the second
Speaker 4: plane hit, we knew we were under attack. He made
Speaker 4: the call to ground every airplane in the sky immediately.
Speaker 4: He told the air traffic control centers, whatever is in
Speaker 4: your traffic pattern, you land them at the closest available airport. Now. Now,
Speaker 4: this has never been thought of, never been practiced. There
Speaker 4: was no game planned, There was nothing in the works
Speaker 4: that would prepare anyone for that order being given.
Speaker 2: Well, they did it.
Speaker 4: The air traffic controllers pulled it off, and we knew
Speaker 4: that any other plane that remained in the sky could
Speaker 4: be an object of concern. So the call was a
Speaker 4: great one to but Ben Sliney, who was head of
Speaker 4: the FAA, Brian. That was his first day on the
Speaker 4: job and he made that call, so looking back, it
Speaker 4: was the perfect call at the right time. And of
Speaker 4: course it's changed commercial aviation because after that we began
Speaker 4: screening check luggage, thank god for that. They had been
Speaker 4: wanting to do that since the bombing of the panem
Speaker 4: flight over lockerby Scotland, but we didn't do it because
Speaker 4: we thought it was going to cost too much money.
Speaker 4: It just kills me that money is so often the
Speaker 4: pivot point where we're going to do something or we shouldn't.
Speaker 4: But we started screening check luggage, thank God for that
Speaker 4: after nine to eleven, and instead of the magnetometers for
Speaker 4: many times we used the full body imaging scanners. When
Speaker 4: we would walk through the magnetometers, it would never detect
Speaker 4: plastic or liquid explosives that could be strapped to our
Speaker 4: bodies under our clothes, only metal. So the full body
Speaker 4: imaging scanners would allow us to see if there's anything
Speaker 4: under the clothing like powder or liquid that could be
Speaker 4: used to bring an airplane down. Because in Russia we
Speaker 4: had two planes crash in a very short span of
Speaker 4: time where two passengers did have explosives strapped to their
Speaker 4: body that were detonated and brought both of those commercial
Speaker 4: airliners down. So flying now is certainly safer than it
Speaker 4: was before nine to eleven. There's absolutely no way to
Speaker 4: have a counter to that, because on a one scale
Speaker 4: of one to ten, we've probably gone from a four
Speaker 4: to a six, maybe a six and a half. But
Speaker 4: we've got other things we've got to do, and I'm
Speaker 4: concerned that we're not. Instead, we're trying to further reinforce
Speaker 4: the cockpit doors. And here we go again, trying to
Speaker 4: stop the last attack versus trying to predict what the
Speaker 4: next one could be. And a lot of times you
Speaker 4: spin your wheels in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: Well, isn't that the truth? All right?
Speaker 1: Pivoting over, we always end on hub delays, Jay Ratliffe,
Speaker 1: and I guess we'll n on hub Layze today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean New Orleans. Obviously, if you're flying
Speaker 4: anywhere to or near the Gulf Coast, you're not going
Speaker 4: to be getting anything because of the fact that right
Speaker 4: now we're seeing a lot of storms, that major storm
Speaker 4: coming across there, and it's causing all the flights in
Speaker 4: New Orleans, Baton, Rouge, Lafayette, all of those through there
Speaker 4: that are being impacted at the time, and that's going
Speaker 4: to continue throughout the course of the day. In fact,
Speaker 4: the flights to and through those areas are going to
Speaker 4: be impacted and bran because of the scope of that storm.
Speaker 4: We're already seeing some flight cancelations in Atlanta, which is
Speaker 4: being impacted because of the size of this storm. Dallas
Speaker 4: could also be impacted. So pretty much anywhere towards the
Speaker 4: Gulf Coast region, you're going to see some significant delays.
Speaker 2: You mentioned that'll probably continue for the next several days
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: It will be in Airlines are doing a good job
Speaker 4: of canceling flights in advance, so just make sure they've
Speaker 4: got a way to get a hold of you. Fortunately,
Speaker 4: it's September, which is one of our slowest travel months
Speaker 4: of the year, May and September, so they're going to
Speaker 4: have a lot of options if your flight is canceled
Speaker 4: to give you much more so than it had this
Speaker 4: happened let's say a month ago, when we were in
Speaker 4: the middle of an incredibly busy summer travel season.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Jay Ratliffe always enjoyable having on the program.
Speaker 1: I look forward to it every week and I'm already
Speaker 1: looking forward to next Thursday with another discussion. Stay well,
Speaker 1: my friend and best of helped you and.
Speaker 4: Your better half me to you as well, sir, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks brother.
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