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Speaker 2: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 3: Hello folks, bok with another episode of Bigfoot and Beyond
Speaker 3: with usually Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 4: Todavid Cliff's night here.
Speaker 3: He's out in the woods, he's doing some squatching, He's
Speaker 3: got some stuff going on.
Speaker 4: So I was apposed to do an episode of the
Speaker 4: Day without Cliff, but their guests we have lined up
Speaker 4: are so good. I just couldn't do it without them.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're too important.
Speaker 3: So I was talking to Matt Our producer Matt perut
Speaker 3: or Uber producer Mask and the interview kind of got
Speaker 3: to see some Bobo storytime stories and kind of get
Speaker 3: some more fine details out of me doing it.
Speaker 4: That. So welcome to Bigfoot Beyond that.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Yeah, you know, since I handle
Speaker 2: a lot of the social media requests, it had occurred
Speaker 2: to me when we were talking about guests, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: the one person that people ask for the most is Bobo.
Speaker 2: It's so you would be the perfect guest for this
Speaker 2: week's episode.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Like you said, there's so many stories that I've heard
Speaker 2: that it had been years since I've heard them that
Speaker 2: I kind of jot down, like, oh, we should talk
Speaker 2: about these on the podcast. And then when I hear
Speaker 2: you on other podcasts, there's always questions that come up
Speaker 2: for me that I've never asked that I thought, oh, well,
Speaker 2: we should just ask those questions. So you get to
Speaker 2: be the guest on your own podcast this week.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things I was curious about, and
Speaker 2: I think we could give a shout out to our
Speaker 2: good friend Tony, because Tony merkel over at The Confessionals
Speaker 2: just did a great deep dive interview with you on
Speaker 2: his podcast, sort of the Origin story. But I always
Speaker 2: love hearing about who were the first other researchers that
Speaker 2: you met, like after you were tracking down Sasquatch stories
Speaker 2: and meeting local witnesses, Like who were the first contemporary
Speaker 2: people in the field that you met that were going
Speaker 2: and doing the same thing.
Speaker 4: Probably Ray Crow, I guess.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that, So were you? Were you
Speaker 2: logging in northern California at that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was going up to Portland.
Speaker 3: Anyways. I was going to go surf up in northern
Speaker 3: Oregon and and I had friends. I loved going to Portland,
Speaker 3: you know, back then, that was before Portland got totally
Speaker 3: blown up.
Speaker 4: You know, it was like a lot.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the traffic and crowds, and it was a
Speaker 3: really it was my favorite city for years and years.
Speaker 3: So anyways, I was up there and I knew about
Speaker 3: I had someone gave me a copy of the track
Speaker 3: record somehow, and I got some I was subscribed to
Speaker 3: that for a while, and I made it up there
Speaker 3: for a meeting.
Speaker 4: I remember, I'm going into that basement place, and I can't.
Speaker 3: Remember all the people I met. I met a couple
Speaker 3: of women that were there. There was a lot of
Speaker 3: older people. There was no in my age there. And
Speaker 3: that's when I got to know Ray a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I met Ray and a few other people. I can't
Speaker 3: remember who I was there now, knowing I stayed in
Speaker 3: touch with I just Ray a little bit over the years.
Speaker 3: And then who did I meet. I saw an article
Speaker 3: on John Fredis in the in the paper in the
Speaker 3: in the San Francisco Chronicle, and I think he said
Speaker 3: it was ninety six or ninety seven, and I wrote him, uh,
Speaker 3: and I didn't I didn't have an email back then.
Speaker 3: I just called him and left him a couple of
Speaker 3: messages and then we talked on the phone, or I
Speaker 3: think we were just yeah, I never talked to him.
Speaker 3: We were just kind of phone tagging because I was
Speaker 3: gone fishing all the time back then.
Speaker 4: You know, it was before I sell, before I had
Speaker 4: a cell phone.
Speaker 3: And I was I was just not home ever, so
Speaker 3: I didn't come back once every two three four weeks
Speaker 3: and check my voicemail on the phone. And I got
Speaker 3: a couple of messages, but we never we never met up.
Speaker 3: And then I saw another article with Robert Leiterman, the
Speaker 3: ranger from Humboldt Redwood State Parking there, and I think
Speaker 3: it might have.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't really talk to him though, until the Grasshopper
Speaker 3: trail story, which was like a big deal at the time.
Speaker 3: It was the BFL website, it just started up. I
Speaker 3: guess it was the VRB what was not VRB, the
Speaker 3: what was that one.
Speaker 2: Called again with the IVBC the Internet Virtual Bigfoot Conference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, might might have still been it might have still
Speaker 3: been during that time, or no, no, it was already No,
Speaker 3: it was Bfrro by that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Bfrro. Sorry.
Speaker 3: So I called Robert and he was just like this
Speaker 3: guy sounds like a nut. So never I never met
Speaker 3: up with him either. And then I had my incident
Speaker 3: where that story I told you know, my first encounter
Speaker 3: I had for sure had a definitely, definitively had a
Speaker 3: big Foot encounter, like no doubt about it whatsoever. It
Speaker 3: was to this day, I was still like the most powerful,
Speaker 3: like made the biggest impression on me, and not just
Speaker 3: because it was the first. It's still the most intense
Speaker 3: encounter I ever had by far.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that story because
Speaker 2: one of the first, I mean the first time I
Speaker 2: was ever aware of you was on Mysterious Encounters in
Speaker 2: some of those episodes. But then if you remember back
Speaker 2: in the days of blog talk radio, I think the
Speaker 2: first or at least one of the first Bigfoot shows
Speaker 2: was Let's Talk Bigfoot, and a little bit of that
Speaker 2: story was in there, and I had that sort of
Speaker 2: jotted down here because I know we've never talked about
Speaker 2: that on Bigfoot of Beyond. So you got to tell
Speaker 2: that's got to be the first Bobo story for the
Speaker 2: listeners in this episode for sure, because I'd love to
Speaker 2: hear it again too.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So, I mean, I've been looking around for years
Speaker 4: and years, you know, like this was two thousand and one,
Speaker 4: and I've been in touch with John Fredish.
Speaker 3: We've never we've never met, and he was an investigator
Speaker 3: for the Districttorney's office up in del North County. And
Speaker 3: I was down and humble. I was commercial fisherman and
Speaker 3: logging and stuff, and so I was. I was gone
Speaker 3: a lot. But he called me up one day and
Speaker 3: he goes, Dude, he goes, I just talked to a
Speaker 3: woman from the res from the Rocros.
Speaker 4: She just had a sighting.
Speaker 3: She just saw a bigfoot and I was like, no,
Speaker 3: and it was it was a really broken up message.
Speaker 3: It was when self, I mean, this is cell phones
Speaker 3: were really chanky back then where we lived at least,
Speaker 3: and it was really broken up and my reception was
Speaker 3: terribleck and barely hear it. But he was saying it
Speaker 3: was a year ago today that the woman had was
Speaker 3: setting and I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: I thought it was that day. I got all excited and.
Speaker 3: I had to drive down and started Humboldt and borrow
Speaker 3: my buddy's night vision scope was a Ukrainian model, I remember,
Speaker 3: with a chen two nights scope and you know, just
Speaker 3: pretty junky about today's standards, but it was the best
Speaker 3: I'd ever seen in person. So I was all excited
Speaker 3: and he let me borrow it. So I went up there.
Speaker 3: I went to where he was talking about. It was
Speaker 3: on the Bald Hills. It was just on the backside
Speaker 3: of Roadway National Park above the Klamath River, and I
Speaker 3: was almost due west of the PG film site a
Speaker 3: little bit, well, not Doe west. I was west southwest
Speaker 3: of there by about ten or twelve hour miles maybe,
Speaker 3: And so I went up there and it was this
Speaker 3: little bit of it. And when he told me this story,
Speaker 3: I knew exactly what he was talking about. I'd been
Speaker 3: there a bunch of times, and it was right where.
Speaker 4: It is called Bald Hills Road. It goes from the coast,
Speaker 4: it runs through the park and then it drops down.
Speaker 3: It goes over the coastal range right and then the
Speaker 3: drops on into the Clounth River Valley and then the
Speaker 3: Hoop of Reservation and a lot of people are Fami
Speaker 3: with the Hoop of Project book by Dave Polies.
Speaker 4: Hoop is there, and then it.
Speaker 3: Comes in the urok Res, which is from the confluence
Speaker 3: of the Trinity, which is the Trinity River goes through
Speaker 3: Hoopa and the Cloud River comes down from Oregon through
Speaker 3: northern California. A lot of people have heard of the Klimath.
Speaker 3: So you get up to the top, and my buddies
Speaker 3: that lived out in Wichipec, they were telling me a
Speaker 3: couple couple of them had seen and one of my
Speaker 3: best friends had seen a really old, broken down, limping,
Speaker 3: kind of patchy hair, looked like I was about to die, emaciated,
Speaker 3: about a seven and a half foot tall bigfoot like
Speaker 3: had the you know, classic male male baldness pattern to it,
Speaker 3: gray along its head, so it was graying along its
Speaker 3: chest like the its temples are all gray.
Speaker 4: And it had kind of like a gray beard.
Speaker 3: And gray chest and had like that silvery sheen of
Speaker 3: the black, not really a sheen. It was black, but
Speaker 3: you could see that it was not like that like
Speaker 3: the one I saw was black and I had silver
Speaker 3: SHENI was like young and healthy looking. This thing was
Speaker 3: old like grit like, not silver shiny hair, but like
Speaker 3: dull gray hair. And then it had patchy fur missing,
Speaker 3: and he could see the ribs. They could see the
Speaker 3: ribs on it, and it was limping really slow, and
Speaker 3: it just he said, the look on its face.
Speaker 4: It just froze.
Speaker 3: And then they locked eyes with it and slowed down
Speaker 3: as they drove passed it, like close, like thirty five feet.
Speaker 3: It just like tried to do the freeze thing, like
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a bigfoot all the street. It won't
Speaker 3: see me. They just slowed down. They were staring at
Speaker 3: it started them. It was just like, I'm old, I'm
Speaker 3: broken up, about to die. Leave me alone. He busted
Speaker 3: me and just leave me alone. And then it just
Speaker 3: started limping off again. And so I was up there
Speaker 3: for weeks. This has been going on for about at
Speaker 3: that point two months, six weeks, had been getting reports
Speaker 3: out of there, and then.
Speaker 4: From Humboldt State University.
Speaker 3: Graduation time, a lot of you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: parents and stuff come up there. It's most of like
Speaker 3: I think seventy eightiethh cent of the population of the
Speaker 3: school from southern California. So when the families come up
Speaker 3: for graduation in May, you know, they go around cruise
Speaker 3: around the you know, look at the nature and all that.
Speaker 3: And this is about where this happened, is about our
Speaker 3: ten minutes hour hour ten minutes north of the university,
Speaker 3: and you can do a loop road. You can go
Speaker 3: up to where the museum is in Willow Creek, and
Speaker 3: a lot of people know Willow Creek at the big
Speaker 3: Foot Museum, the original one up there. Then you go
Speaker 3: down the Trinity River through Hooper Reservation. You go to
Speaker 3: the confluence of the Cloud in the Trinity and you
Speaker 3: drive down a couple miles and below Witch Bag and
Speaker 3: then you go back up and you go over the
Speaker 3: Bald Hills and drop down a highay one on one
Speaker 3: Reway National Park and then back down along the coast
Speaker 3: back to Arcada. So a lot of people do that loop.
Speaker 3: And I talked to two different car loads of people
Speaker 3: that you know, were graduating their parents' up visiting, and
Speaker 3: they saw the same thing within within about a mile
Speaker 3: of each They were all within the same mile zone
Speaker 3: of this thing about ready to trying to cross road,
Speaker 3: this old gray limping Bigfoot. So I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, like that's that's that's what you know. I
Speaker 3: gotta find this thing and I that's when I started
Speaker 3: calling Melgrum too. I didn't I didn't no Meldrum, but
Speaker 3: I was telling him, Hey, these things. You know, it's
Speaker 3: a it's around, it's it's old, it's about to die.
Speaker 3: It might be a good place to focus on. I
Speaker 3: think he sent sent him an email, and I think
Speaker 3: he he emailed me back once and he sounded like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was excited, like that sounds really good.
Speaker 4: I called Raycrow and I told him about it, and
Speaker 4: he was like.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's uh, that's that's exactly what you're looking for.
Speaker 4: Said, yeah, I know. So I was. I was getting
Speaker 4: all excited about that. I was up there a lot,
Speaker 4: didn't see anything, didn't hear anything.
Speaker 3: And then so John John fredis the Dunark County District
Speaker 3: Attorney investigator, you know, he's a law enforcement officer.
Speaker 4: He called me up all excited about the sighting of
Speaker 4: that you'ur ak woman.
Speaker 3: He goes, you know, she's really responsible, she's great witness,
Speaker 3: you know, real, real together a woman.
Speaker 4: She works for the tribe.
Speaker 3: You know, she's a senior kind of up there person,
Speaker 3: well respected. And he goes, yeah, and she she sought
Speaker 3: cross the road. And I knew exactly, and it was.
Speaker 3: It was strange, man, because I've talked to her several
Speaker 3: times since then. It was a smaller bigfoot and it
Speaker 3: was dragging a rolled up piece of cardboard it had
Speaker 3: in one hand, and the other hand it had it
Speaker 3: was holding like the the cuff of a sleeve of
Speaker 3: a long, a long sleeved kid's bright blue.
Speaker 4: Child's top, like long sleeved shirt. There's dragon.
Speaker 3: I was holding the cup of one sleeve and then
Speaker 3: the rest of it was dragging behind her.
Speaker 4: On the ground, or it heard him, whatever it was,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 3: It saw her and it just took off just so
Speaker 3: fast like a deer, just zoom zoomed off, kicked up
Speaker 3: a cloud of dust behind it. It was just gone.
Speaker 3: And so I was like, no, that just happened like today,
Speaker 3: And I got that. So I got the night vision
Speaker 3: scip and I was all said, I packed my stuff
Speaker 3: up soon as so.
Speaker 4: So I got the that vision scrip.
Speaker 3: I go up there, I set my chair up in
Speaker 3: the and it, mind you, at this point, I've been
Speaker 3: looking for years and years, never had anything happened, never
Speaker 3: heard anything that I knew, you know, in hindsight, I
Speaker 3: did have some interactions with him.
Speaker 4: But I just didn't know it.
Speaker 3: I was ignorant the the signs sounds.
Speaker 4: But so I went to the meadow.
Speaker 3: And so the meadow is kind of like a crescent shape,
Speaker 3: you know, like half moon shape, and it's gone now
Speaker 3: got clear cut. But it was probably like I always
Speaker 3: mess up the dimensions because it seems so big, but
Speaker 3: I'm reckoning. It was about maybe one hundred and twenty yards.
Speaker 3: It was a half moon shape starting from the road,
Speaker 3: so the road around north south, So this meadow ran
Speaker 3: parallel to the road on the east side of the road,
Speaker 3: and the road around north south along the ridge, and
Speaker 3: the road was the dividing line between the National Park roadway,
Speaker 3: State National Park and private timberland and some ranch and
Speaker 3: holdings in there. There's a few people live out there,
Speaker 3: not many, like maybe six houses along it's eleven miles
Speaker 3: of road, and they were mostly down at the end
Speaker 3: of the road, down by the river, the Klamath. So
Speaker 3: as you drive up along this meadow, you see the
Speaker 3: middle on your right, and then alongside of the road
Speaker 3: there's a patch of woods maybe thirty yards long by
Speaker 3: about fifteen yards thick something like that. Both sides of
Speaker 3: it was the meadow and in front of it was
Speaker 3: the meadow, so it was like an island that backed
Speaker 3: up to the road. So I pulled up there and parked.
Speaker 3: There was a kind of a water spike park people
Speaker 3: get buy no problem, and I let my dog out,
Speaker 3: let him run around for a little.
Speaker 4: Bit d day.
Speaker 3: He was that big one hundred and five pounds piople
Speaker 3: great dog, super mill. Everyone thought it was a black
Speaker 3: live because he was so chill, and so I let
Speaker 3: him run around for a while. Then I put him
Speaker 3: back in the truck in the front seat, and I
Speaker 3: got my I had one of those plastic you know,
Speaker 3: picnic chairs, you know, the little cheap chair you get
Speaker 3: from Costco whatever. I had one of those, had machety
Speaker 3: for protection, had my nightscope and uh spotlight, and I
Speaker 3: think when I had my extra clothes in case it
Speaker 3: got cold or mosquitoes. And this was in May. It
Speaker 3: was May twenty first, two thousand and one, and there
Speaker 3: wasn't There wasn't. I don't think there was any moon
Speaker 3: at all. It might have been a little bit of
Speaker 3: a moon, but it was clear. It was warn it was,
Speaker 3: you know, it was in the eighties that day up
Speaker 3: there at night.
Speaker 4: I think I think at nine.
Speaker 3: O'clock it was still like seventy four seventy five degrees.
Speaker 3: But I'm sitting there and I go out there and
Speaker 3: I started doing some really killer calls, like roars and howls,
Speaker 3: and I'm doing then east end of the canyon. They
Speaker 3: were carrying all the way down the river. I could
Speaker 3: hear echoes going down. I was like, dang, my voice
Speaker 3: is you know, I'm killing it tonight. It's going far.
Speaker 3: It was going miles now. I was doing some roars.
Speaker 3: I've seen some aggressive calls. In about seven forty five,
Speaker 3: I think it was seven forty five, Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: about seven forty five.
Speaker 4: I hear this wolf.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a wolf hybrid, like those husky
Speaker 3: wolf they were popular back then tho. They were like
Speaker 3: seven eights wolf in the eighth husky or malmeat whatever.
Speaker 3: And I thought, well, it sounds like my buddy's wolf,
Speaker 3: you know, wolf hybrid. It sounds like that, because it
Speaker 3: was it was a howl, and it was just it
Speaker 3: wasn't a kyo, you could tell, and it was a
Speaker 3: dog that had more of a wolf tone to it.
Speaker 3: It seemed like, I'm like, that's weird. And then it
Speaker 3: does it again and I hear the hell. I'm like, god,
Speaker 3: that's a strange how it keeps going on and on,
Speaker 3: and then it starts changing it more into like a
Speaker 3: screaming yell roar, And right then I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I just heard my first Bigfoot. I couldn't
Speaker 3: believe it. I was like, no, wait, it was miles
Speaker 3: due north. It was just due north to me.
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Speaker 3: I hear this hol come from the north, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I remember all my hair stuitup. I was
Speaker 3: just like the first for sure confirmation I had, like
Speaker 3: where I was, I was hearing a big for there's
Speaker 3: nothing else, there's no way as anything else. And it
Speaker 3: did this crazy college that they started doing these crazy screaming,
Speaker 3: how yell roar things like just up and down, like
Speaker 3: you know, even octaves different from the start to finish
Speaker 3: going through all the ranges of these calls and mixing
Speaker 3: just different sounds good, and I was like no, So
Speaker 3: I start roaring back, going, you know, and barking and
Speaker 3: doing just aggressive gorilla kind of calls. And it's coming
Speaker 3: and I could tell it's coming closer, but it's still
Speaker 3: far away. So over the next forty five minutes, I'd
Speaker 3: hear it roar every so often, and I'd do a
Speaker 3: roar and a yell, and.
Speaker 4: I was pounding.
Speaker 3: There was a chunk of there was some dead oak logs,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I think they were probably like eighteen
Speaker 3: to thirty six inch sections of old logs that were
Speaker 3: left there that were cracked or split whatever.
Speaker 4: They weren't good for him, they just left them there.
Speaker 3: So I was beating on one of those and it
Speaker 3: was it was making them perfect because it was kind
Speaker 3: of elevated. It was part of it was sticking in
Speaker 3: the ground and the rest of it was sticking out
Speaker 3: of the ground. And I was banging, so I had
Speaker 3: the killer resonance, and I'm banging on, I think, and
Speaker 3: I'm screaming and roaring, and then it's I heard it
Speaker 3: call and it was pretty close. It sounded like it
Speaker 3: was definitely with less than a mile, and I was like,
Speaker 3: no way, it's coming in. It's coming in, and calling
Speaker 3: fretus and the phone going John, get up for the
Speaker 3: thing's coming.
Speaker 4: It's coming.
Speaker 3: He's like, I can't. I'm working, I can't. I just
Speaker 3: can't make it. There's no way. I was like, damn.
Speaker 3: So then I called some of people. I said, hey,
Speaker 3: I got a there's a big foot coming. They just
Speaker 3: kind of laughed me, like yeah, whatever, whatever, and no.
Speaker 3: I called like several people and no one came. So
Speaker 3: I was sitting there going all right, I'm just sitting
Speaker 3: there waiting, and I hadn't heard anything for about ten minutes,
Speaker 3: and then right then it.
Speaker 4: Just starts roaring. It's right up. I'm facing Dewey's.
Speaker 3: It's coming in at my nine o'clock, my due north,
Speaker 3: and it's in the tree line just you know, however,
Speaker 3: far from me, like sixty yards or something, and I'm
Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, no way, and it just
Speaker 3: starts snapping. It came in dead Son, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, it just roars and screams, and you just
Speaker 3: hear just branches breaking and like small trees, sounds like
Speaker 3: snapping and just stomping feet.
Speaker 4: Just boom boom boom, and it's going.
Speaker 3: Like and then they would do these craz eazy how
Speaker 3: you know, a scream and like and then it would
Speaker 3: end up with like a huge exhale and it sounded
Speaker 3: like horse up song that kind of sound at the end,
Speaker 3: like it was flapping its lips really hard. But there's
Speaker 3: doing these then before we do another scream, we're doing
Speaker 3: another huge inhale and then a huge exhil which it
Speaker 3: would end with the horse flap lipping horselip flapping sound.
Speaker 3: Now it's just like blown away, going oh my god,
Speaker 3: Like I mean, you can imagine at this point, I'm
Speaker 3: just like going no way. As soon as that first
Speaker 3: scream happened to my two o'clock, I just heard this crack.
Speaker 3: And I know that's your imagination probably like just filling
Speaker 3: in the gaps, but I mentally pictured this thing on
Speaker 3: my left. I was, you know, kind of mentally picturing
Speaker 3: this thing what it looked like marked through the wizard.
Speaker 3: The second that crack happened. For whatever reason, I just
Speaker 3: saw it. It looked like playing this day in my head.
Speaker 3: But you know it's people already described it to me,
Speaker 3: So I'm sure that's what it was. But I just
Speaker 3: see that old janking one hold in the branch, and
Speaker 3: it's like the crusty old guy is going crack like
Speaker 3: I'm not dead yet, I'm still you know, like a
Speaker 3: mail you know, sasquatch whatever. I don't know, but I
Speaker 3: just had this mental image of the old one over
Speaker 3: on my right, crack in the tree.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, there's two of them. And
Speaker 4: I was just like, whoah this is you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, And I had I had a disposable thirty five
Speaker 3: millimeters cardboard camera. You know, you just take thirty those
Speaker 3: twenty seven pictures and drop it off at like save
Speaker 3: on or Walmart and get them developed. So I had
Speaker 3: one of those and I had a flash on it.
Speaker 3: So my plan was to antagonize the thing. And that
Speaker 3: was my plan going up there, was to antagonize if
Speaker 3: one came, to antagonize them enough to charge me, and
Speaker 3: then my plan was to.
Speaker 4: Snap a photo of it.
Speaker 3: And this is the most stupidest part, because John cap't
Speaker 3: tell me all it'll charge you, and it'll stop ten
Speaker 3: or fifteen feet away and just roar and make you,
Speaker 3: you know, crap your pants and run away whatever.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm not going to no way, I'll
Speaker 4: be ready for it. I'm not scared.
Speaker 3: And my plan was to try to jump out, do
Speaker 3: like a diving barrel roll and try to grab some
Speaker 3: hair off its leg. Don't you think stupid stuff Like
Speaker 3: I just thought like, it won't kill me, It won't
Speaker 3: kill me. And then I was thinking like, it'll probably
Speaker 3: kick me, but it won't kill me. And that plan
Speaker 3: didn't work. But so for the next So that big
Speaker 3: one that came in from the left, I mean, it
Speaker 3: sounded huge and it just it stopped. I mean when
Speaker 3: it stopped its feet, it was like you could feel it,
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit like it was and you
Speaker 3: could mean it was just boom boom, but really well spaced,
Speaker 3: like definitely it was bipedal, but there was some big
Speaker 3: strides going and it just was.
Speaker 4: Making all this noise. And then so on to my
Speaker 4: two o'clock and that one's going from a nine o'clock.
Speaker 3: They kind of worked their way together, so they met
Speaker 3: directly exactly in front of me.
Speaker 4: They both came into.
Speaker 3: Like marching centuries, and they just were shaking in the trees,
Speaker 3: and you know, there's some big deciduous trees, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like some kind of oak or something like that.
Speaker 3: They just start shaking them. They just start the trees somethings,
Speaker 3: grabbing and shaking them. And these things were big, like
Speaker 3: forty foot. The base of these trees were like a
Speaker 3: good ten to probably fourteen inches maybe something like that.
Speaker 3: Some of them were going to be eighteen inches. And
Speaker 3: they start grabbing them and just the tops or whipping
Speaker 3: back and forth like it was like a full double
Speaker 3: gale storm was blown through, like just whipping back and
Speaker 3: forth by like leaves coming off, just shaking, shaking it,
Speaker 3: shaking it. And I'm like, how in the hell are
Speaker 3: they shaking those trees? Or like these trees are mott
Speaker 3: liked you get ten men on that thing, and it
Speaker 3: would you wouldn't even you couldn't budget at all. It
Speaker 3: wouldn't make a It wouldn't move but two inches. And
Speaker 3: these things were going back and forth ten feet at
Speaker 3: the top, you know, just whipping back and forth.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the hell is going on? But they
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 3: So then I stand up and beat my chest like
Speaker 3: the gorilla like slap slap, like I was going what
Speaker 3: And they would roar back and then it goes silent
Speaker 3: for a while and then they then they'd do like
Speaker 3: a big branch snap. It was almost all the noise
Speaker 3: is coming from the big one that was going back
Speaker 3: and forth on my left. It was going from my
Speaker 3: nine o'clock to my twelve o'clock, back and forth. It
Speaker 3: would go silent for a while and then it would, you.
Speaker 4: Know, do another noise. And at this.
Speaker 3: Point I was getting pretty dark, and I had the
Speaker 3: night visions, the night vision that I was scanning and
Speaker 3: scanning and scanning, and I never I just got it
Speaker 3: that day.
Speaker 4: I hadn't really got to mess around with it. And
Speaker 4: it had.
Speaker 3: These dials on the front, you know, for focus and
Speaker 3: brightness and.
Speaker 4: What else. And there's there was a red laser point
Speaker 4: that was on it too that you could hit. There
Speaker 4: was a button.
Speaker 3: None of it was all marked in like Russian, so
Speaker 3: I couldn't or Ukraine and whatever. I couldn't read it.
Speaker 3: It was like that what it called thrillic writing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so that could be. I'm not too
Speaker 2: familiar with that, but I know what you mean. Certainly
Speaker 2: I can picture it, but I don't know the terminology.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it had that so I didn't know what
Speaker 3: anything said, and I was just kind of messing with it,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't sure what was what. But I got
Speaker 3: to work and I was looking through it, and I could see,
Speaker 3: you know, I couldn't see anything, but I could see
Speaker 3: the trees, you know, you know the gentoo and.
Speaker 4: Night scope looks like oh, certainly, yeah, I mean it
Speaker 4: was it was like late eighties orally nineties. Technology wasn't
Speaker 4: very good.
Speaker 3: But so I'm going back and forth scanning the true on,
Speaker 3: scanning tree on, and I kept send up roaring, and
Speaker 3: I'd get up and beat on the tree. And then
Speaker 3: at one point when they were in front of me,
Speaker 3: a section about five foot long or four foot long
Speaker 3: by about twenty something inches thick, maybe twenty four inch
Speaker 3: thick chunk of oh it came flying out of the
Speaker 3: tree line. Didn't come close to me, but it landed,
Speaker 3: you know, about two thirds of the way between the
Speaker 3: tree line, and it came about two thirds of the
Speaker 3: way to me and then landed in front of me,
Speaker 3: just boom thudd.
Speaker 4: And I went out and looked at it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, dang, that's a one hundred and fifty pounds
Speaker 3: two hundred pound piece of wood or something, I don't know,
Speaker 3: like something like that was it was substantial, like you know,
Speaker 3: you couldn't have thrown it very far, Like I mean,
Speaker 3: I could pick it up, but I couldn't throw it.
Speaker 3: I could maybe throw it like four or five feet
Speaker 3: six feet the most. So that thing came find I
Speaker 3: was like, well that was crazy, and I was still
Speaker 3: just still pretty uh. I mean, I was nervous, but
Speaker 3: I was still confident, like I wasn't I wasn't afraid really,
Speaker 3: I mean I was definitely on heightened alert and my
Speaker 3: heart was racing, and I was super excited, but I
Speaker 3: wasn't really scared. I was just I mean, I was
Speaker 3: kind of nervous, but I was more I was more excited.
Speaker 4: I was just excited.
Speaker 3: And then so this went on for a while, and
Speaker 3: it seemed like three trucks passed by as I was
Speaker 3: up there. They were kind of old Ratley, you know,
Speaker 3: old full sized you know, domestic pickups, just bouncing along,
Speaker 3: and I remember that they all had music cranking, like uh,
Speaker 3: cell war cranking country, and they're al was playing like
Speaker 3: classic rock as they went by, and those freaking squatches
Speaker 3: in the tree line went absolutely crazy, just when the
Speaker 3: truck would go there start screaming and roaring and shaking
Speaker 3: the trees really really hard to choose and just be
Speaker 3: thrashing back and forth. They'd break branches and roar and
Speaker 3: scream and yell, and none of the trucks even slow
Speaker 3: to I don't think they didn't hear.
Speaker 4: They just kept driving by, and I couldn't believe.
Speaker 3: I kept thinking they're going to get out and stop,
Speaker 3: you know, and be like what the hell is that
Speaker 3: or something, you know, and I was stuck. I was like, oh, great,
Speaker 3: I'll get some witnesses. So during this whole time, I
Speaker 3: had called people and no one came up. They were like,
Speaker 3: what You're crazy. I'm like, no, this is happening right now,
Speaker 3: get up here. Or no one came. So this went
Speaker 3: on for a couple hours, and at one point, Alsodden,
Speaker 3: I can't remember what it was. It was like some
Speaker 3: kind of yell, like it was a little it was
Speaker 3: different than it was a different call, but there was
Speaker 3: like a there had been a couple of minutes several
Speaker 3: minutes of silence. Then this call came out like I
Speaker 3: can't remember what it was, but instantly burst out of
Speaker 3: the tree line. Oh okay, prior prior to that call
Speaker 3: coming out, it's like the battery, the battery is getting low.
Speaker 3: Someone's going wrong. I was like, what's going on? Is
Speaker 3: this battery getting low? What's happening? It started getting fuzzyer,
Speaker 3: and so I started messing with like the focus and
Speaker 3: the you know, the brightness and like, and one of
Speaker 3: the ones I was twisting was I didn't realize was
Speaker 3: the battery cover and I un screwed it all of
Speaker 3: sudden I unscrewed it the whole way and the cap
Speaker 3: came off, and the the second the battery got disattached
Speaker 3: and it turned off, like within a second. There was
Speaker 3: a scream or yell whatever came from the tree line
Speaker 3: and they just rushed me like you could, Like it
Speaker 3: was so fast, dude. Was like the other thing comparacter
Speaker 3: was like being at the county fair when the horses
Speaker 3: go run about when you're stand on they do the
Speaker 3: track at the horse races, Like the ground just shook.
Speaker 3: There was for sure two of them, maybe three of them,
Speaker 3: I think there was three came bursting out of the
Speaker 3: tree line rushed. I thought they could rush right next
Speaker 3: to me and like into the tree line behind me.
Speaker 3: And it was just I was like, oh my, it
Speaker 3: was so fast and so loud, and the ground shook
Speaker 3: and it was just overwhel I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: Like I was just like my eyes popped out of
Speaker 3: my head probably, and I was just sitting there going,
Speaker 3: hold my breath, going what the hell? And then I figured, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened to him. They my dog,
Speaker 3: because that pitpo would go He was super chill, like
Speaker 3: friendly'est dog ever. But when he was in the truck
Speaker 3: he was like a kujo, just psychopath like, would attack
Speaker 3: anything that came near to the truck unless you let
Speaker 3: him out that he was friendly again, when he was
Speaker 3: in the truck without me, he was just guard dog.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, if they go to my truck,
Speaker 3: they go behind me and the trees behind me out
Speaker 3: here him because my dog will go nuts. I never
Speaker 3: heard a peep out of him. Was like, that's that's weird.
Speaker 3: So I sat there for a few minutes. I was
Speaker 3: sitting there was about five minutes or something like that,
Speaker 3: and I started I started hearing the wrestling of some
Speaker 3: what I figured was a wood wrap behind me. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of wood rats out there, so I thought
Speaker 3: I was a road, and behind me then.
Speaker 4: It sounded like a little bigger than a road.
Speaker 3: And then also over my right shoulder, so I was
Speaker 3: I had set my chair back in the tree line
Speaker 3: just a little bit, so I was. I was in
Speaker 3: the tree line, just barely, like my chair was inside
Speaker 3: the tree line. I had, you know, a couple of
Speaker 3: branches on the side of me. So I was a
Speaker 3: little bit ob scared if you were like walking by
Speaker 3: or something. I'm sitting there and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you know, I got my the spotlights on the ground,
Speaker 3: I got some shady there, I got the night scope
Speaker 3: in my hand, I got the camera in my hand
Speaker 3: in my other hand, and it was.
Speaker 4: All wound up, ready to go.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there and all of a sudden, I start
Speaker 3: realizing I'm hearing breathing and a little wrestling, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, wear this presence behind me. And also
Speaker 3: I started hearing breathing coming from way over my head.
Speaker 3: I started hearing this breathing like after a couple of breaths,
Speaker 3: it starts going into a growl like but deep and
Speaker 3: rumbling like, and I'm like, it's way over my head.
Speaker 3: I mean it's up in the air, and I get
Speaker 3: this just worse sense of foreboding, dread, and just the
Speaker 3: most scared I was in my life. Just I mean
Speaker 3: like I was like, oh my god. The only thing
Speaker 3: I compared to is being having a great white shark
Speaker 3: circle on you when you're out diving or surfing, you know,
Speaker 3: like that thing of like, I'm out of my element.
Speaker 4: This thing can kill me in any second. There's nothing
Speaker 4: I can do.
Speaker 3: There's like any large preda, like if you know you're
Speaker 3: running a tiger in Asia, lions in Africa, or grizzly
Speaker 3: bear here or whatever. Like we're just like, oh, this
Speaker 3: thing could take me out. Nothing I can do, not
Speaker 3: a damn thing I can do. I was still excited
Speaker 3: at this point, and it starts growling, and I wasn't
Speaker 3: really that scared yet. I was like, well, I wasn't
Speaker 3: that scared at that point. I mean I was, I
Speaker 3: was nervous. I was nervous started growing. I was like, okay, bo,
Speaker 3: it's just stay calm, just stay relaxed, you know, don't
Speaker 3: don't do things.
Speaker 4: It won't hurt you. And I'm like, okay, it's right there.
Speaker 4: I got to take its picture. I gotta take its picture.
Speaker 3: And the second I started telling myself, all right, you
Speaker 3: gotta take this picture, turned around, it's all wound up
Speaker 3: and everything. I turned it on and I turned it
Speaker 3: on and it makes a little bit of wine sound,
Speaker 3: just a little bit, and that little indicator orange light
Speaker 3: comes on, and I'm like, oh no, because I was
Speaker 3: for the flash. As soon as I did that, the
Speaker 3: the loudest, clearest message in my head. If you take
Speaker 3: my picture, I'm gonna f and kill you and no
Speaker 3: one's ever gonna find your body. And I had this
Speaker 3: image of stuff of me inside of a cave and
Speaker 3: putting big rocks over it.
Speaker 4: I was just like, oh my, but dude.
Speaker 3: I swear to this date it still seems like it
Speaker 3: was from outside me. Like because you talk to yourself
Speaker 3: all the time, this seemed different, really different. It seemed
Speaker 3: like it was like this voice I'd never heard before.
Speaker 3: It was loud and clear my like it wasn't audible,
Speaker 3: like you couldn't hear it audibly. It was in my head,
Speaker 3: but it was clear as day, like just seemed very
Speaker 3: real and threatening, and I believed it, Like I thought,
Speaker 3: if I turn around, it's going to kill me.
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Speaker 5: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: And I just remember like getting up and walking real fast.
Speaker 3: I don't run, but I was like walking as fast
Speaker 3: as kid. I'm like, don't run, but and my eyes
Speaker 3: were watering so bad, and it was dark. I walked
Speaker 3: into a you know, a joe poke like a dead branch.
Speaker 3: There were some slash piles out there, and there was
Speaker 3: a it just was my eye by about an inch.
Speaker 3: I was like, and I was walking fast, like not
Speaker 3: seeing where I was going, stumbling along. I literally could
Speaker 3: have just poked my eye out. Oh my god, Like
Speaker 3: how to get behind me? Like how come d D
Speaker 3: didn't bark? Like how did them get behind me without
Speaker 3: me knowing it? And I'm just getting to my truck,
Speaker 3: and my truck was facing away from Bald Hills Road.
Speaker 3: I was facing down Johnson's heading down river, and I
Speaker 3: just wanted to get out. I want to go out
Speaker 3: there so bad. I was expecting to get grabbed out
Speaker 3: of the tree. Like I was walking along the tree line.
Speaker 3: I was just toy expecting to get dragged, like dragged
Speaker 3: into the trees. Next like on my left where I
Speaker 3: just been that like island of trees. I was sitting there.
Speaker 3: I was I knew it was in there, and I thought,
Speaker 3: maybe they're both of the three of them in there.
Speaker 3: I didn't know, and I was for shows and get
Speaker 3: ambus walking back to my truck. I get to my
Speaker 3: truck and I get there and there's I'm looking in
Speaker 3: and I don't see my dog. I'm like, oh my god, no,
Speaker 3: wonder reason they reached it and got because the doors
Speaker 3: were unlocked.
Speaker 4: I'm like, they got him. Oh my god, I stole
Speaker 4: do this.
Speaker 3: So at that point, I just like my stomach sank
Speaker 3: and I was just I felt even that was the worst.
Speaker 3: I was like, I just got my dog killed. Oh
Speaker 3: my Like how they getting without me hearing it? Like
Speaker 3: I was just tripping out. So I get in the truck.
Speaker 3: I'm fumbling for my keys and I'm hyperventilating, and I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, they killed they killed DDA, they killed the DA.
Speaker 3: And I flip on the light and I see him
Speaker 3: and he's jammed down on the floorboards on the passenger side.
Speaker 3: He'd ripped out like the like where the gloveboxes behind it,
Speaker 3: like he just tore out whatever was wiring like radio
Speaker 3: stuff was up behind there and had his head shut
Speaker 3: up there and part of his shoulders and he was
Speaker 3: crawled underneath the as far up against the front of
Speaker 3: like where your feet goes cramming.
Speaker 4: There's much like.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe how Hidney was from from view. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's black and it was dark out, so of course
Speaker 3: it was hard to see hm. Anyways, but he had
Speaker 3: he had been so scared he just tore up the
Speaker 3: inside of the truck trying to climb into something just
Speaker 3: to get away from whatever. So they had to walk
Speaker 3: around the windows and stuff like that. Look, I'm sure
Speaker 3: they walked around and looked in at him. So I
Speaker 3: drove and I had to drive down a ways to
Speaker 3: turn around. So I'm looking for a place to turn around.
Speaker 3: And I was driving a two wheel drive tow to
Speaker 3: truck like probably ball tire, I know I had ball
Speaker 3: tires on it, and I'm looking for a place to around.
Speaker 4: So I finally find a spot and I back into it.
Speaker 3: So I'm back into it, and then I go to
Speaker 3: go forward and the truck doesn't. I'm stuck kind of
Speaker 3: like it's it's the and banking was two I dropped
Speaker 3: off a little in bank which turned around the spot.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, eight inches nine inches or something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 4: It was. It was nothing. I was like, oh, but
Speaker 4: I didn't want to see my tires and get stuck.
Speaker 4: I knew that.
Speaker 3: So I got I took a little head lamp out
Speaker 3: and I'm showing my light on the on where the
Speaker 3: truck is.
Speaker 4: They're going to see if like, and I look like, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's no big deal. Like it's got to back up
Speaker 4: another foot or two.
Speaker 3: There's enough f riend for me to back up and
Speaker 3: just get a little bit of speed and I'll pop
Speaker 3: out of this no problem. So as I do that,
Speaker 3: like this is all happening, like simultaneously, I'm looking going,
Speaker 3: ok I'm out of here. That roaring scream comes again
Speaker 3: from above me, like it had followed me down that
Speaker 3: road in the in the tree line going north, and
Speaker 3: it screams, and it's just starts bolting coming through these
Speaker 3: rhodendrons and raspberry bushes and some other just various stickers
Speaker 3: and stuff, and it just comes rushing down and I
Speaker 3: can just hear all that stuff, just tearing, stuff tearing
Speaker 3: out of the ground and small branches breaking, and it's
Speaker 3: coming fast down at me, and I just jump in,
Speaker 3: throw it in first, and you know, drove out of there,
Speaker 3: and I was all I had was this vision of
Speaker 3: a piece of log comeing checked out of the darkness,
Speaker 3: coming through my windshields. I just kind of expected it
Speaker 3: to happen any second. And I just show the thing
Speaker 3: roaring and screaming out to my left, like above above me,
Speaker 3: down the hillside right there, like close really close by.
Speaker 4: Was like, oh my god, no way, and I'm driving out.
Speaker 4: I thought for sure.
Speaker 3: I was waiting, just waiting for a piece of wood
Speaker 3: to come fly through the windshield and kill me. So
Speaker 3: I go ripping out, I get back down. I mean
Speaker 3: I drove so I drive fast all the time. Anyways,
Speaker 3: out there, I drove so fast. I was hauling ass.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was crazy. I didn't crash.
Speaker 3: I mean I was pushing my trucks to the max
Speaker 3: getting out there, just wah, just drifting and you know,
Speaker 3: squeeling tires. And I get out on the pavement, I
Speaker 3: just ripped back down. It's fifteen miles to the one
Speaker 3: oh one. I get down now it's just a big
Speaker 3: open flat. But it was a old growth red wod
Speaker 3: mill at the time, and they only worked. I think
Speaker 3: there was like maybe three shifts so weak as there
Speaker 3: wasn't much wood. It closed down not long after that.
Speaker 3: I go ripping in there. I knew there was guards
Speaker 3: in there, and then I go, I go flying there
Speaker 3: like just full peeling, you know, just came ripping up
Speaker 3: to the guards down, just full locked with the brakes
Speaker 3: into a full power slide.
Speaker 4: You know, and just I jump out.
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, come with you right now, there's sasquatches
Speaker 3: up on the hill going crazy. You got to see this,
Speaker 3: You got I need a witness. Get into my truck.
Speaker 4: And the guy's like big eye just staring at me,
Speaker 4: like going, what the hell.
Speaker 3: There's this big, crazy looking dude just came flying peeling out,
Speaker 3: you know, in this truck. Teld me to get in
Speaker 3: his truck, go get big foots up on the mountain.
Speaker 3: He's like he's like, dude, I'm not getting in your truck.
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be here. Get out of here.
Speaker 3: Like that was this whole thing is like just beat it, Like, dude,
Speaker 3: there's big ones at there right now, let's go.
Speaker 4: Let's go. And he's like, no, I'm not going with you,
Speaker 4: and I was like, what the hell's wrong with this guy?
Speaker 3: You know, like he's looking at you. The hell's wrong
Speaker 3: with this guy? Like, dude, there's big ones at there
Speaker 3: right now. You know, I need a witness. I need
Speaker 3: a witness. He says nope. So I left him, and
Speaker 3: there was a bar right down the street at that time.
Speaker 3: There was a bar, the Logger Bar or the Lumberjack
Speaker 3: whatever it was, yeah, Lumberjack.
Speaker 4: And so I go down there.
Speaker 3: There's just some old kind of like alcoholic dudes and
Speaker 3: they're like retired logger dudes and millworker guys, like three
Speaker 3: or four of them, and like bartender. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you, guys, there's a couple bigfoots up hills
Speaker 3: going crazy right now.
Speaker 4: I need a witness to go up there with me.
Speaker 3: They're there right now, going nuts, turned down trees, and
Speaker 3: they just all laughed me, and two of them were
Speaker 3: saying there was a native guy in there too. So
Speaker 3: the two guys were laughed, just making fun of me,
Speaker 3: like going, oh my god, like call me a nut job,
Speaker 3: and you know this and that whatever tell me I
Speaker 3: was on drugs. And then the other guys just kind
Speaker 3: of like, yeah, I know they're there, but I'm playing pool.
Speaker 3: I'm like they did He said maybe when I'm doing
Speaker 3: with my pool match, and I was like, are you
Speaker 3: kidding me? Like you guys think of this bar every
Speaker 3: night of your lies. You're not gonna leave. You know,
Speaker 3: you can play pool the rest of your life like
Speaker 3: this is like you can give them see some big
Speaker 3: foots right now, and so they wouldn't go. So then
Speaker 3: I drove down to Trinidad, which is like twenty minutes
Speaker 3: something like that, on the south of there, went to.
Speaker 4: The bar there.
Speaker 3: There were some guys in there, no one interested in
Speaker 3: going like they just everyone was laughing at me, except
Speaker 3: for one guy that was like goes, oh, no, I'm
Speaker 3: not going up there, Like yeah, I know they're there,
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to mess with them, like he
Speaker 3: he had an encounter and he was scared of them whatever.
Speaker 3: So then I drove down to Six Rivers Brewery and
Speaker 3: they were closed. There were some workers, and I knew
Speaker 3: all those guys were really well those girls. I was
Speaker 3: trying to get these girls out there, going come on,
Speaker 3: let's go. There's big once up there. At this point,
Speaker 3: it's like one one thirty in the morning something like that.
Speaker 3: There's like, now we're tired. We're tired.
Speaker 4: I was, and I called people and no one would
Speaker 4: go back up there with you.
Speaker 3: I couldn't live. And then no one go with me
Speaker 3: the next day either. I went back out there. And
Speaker 3: that was the scarce thing. Everyday was go to the next day. Well,
Speaker 3: first I drove to Creston City, which is a couple
Speaker 3: hours went up there. I went to John's place whip
Speaker 3: Smith River. He gave me an infrared flood lights sunny
Speaker 3: night shot camcorder, and uh yeah, so I.
Speaker 4: Had a couple.
Speaker 3: I had three big infred floodlights and sunny night shot cameras.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, go put get some bait outs. I went
Speaker 4: and got some smoked.
Speaker 3: Salmon, and I got all this stuff like donuts, salmon,
Speaker 3: honey rolls, like just sweets, you know, and some cooked meats,
Speaker 3: smoked meats.
Speaker 4: Go back up there.
Speaker 3: I got up there the next day, like later afternoon,
Speaker 3: and I was so scared to go back up there,
Speaker 3: and I was like, well, I gotta face my fear.
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta get this thing on film. So
Speaker 4: I did it.
Speaker 3: John told me I set up the I set up
Speaker 3: the food and I put there's. I tried to like
Speaker 3: hide the lights nearbyhy but it was just so stupid,
Speaker 3: like I didn't think it didn't see that. But I
Speaker 3: didn't have a better idea. It was just get it
Speaker 3: on camera.
Speaker 4: You need you know. It's because there wasn't any moon,
Speaker 4: really it was. It was pretty.
Speaker 3: It was really dark out, so I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I need to use I guess I gotta use these floodlights.
Speaker 3: And I went up there and when oh, when I
Speaker 3: got there, I had this on film too.
Speaker 4: My dog d day. He would knock get out of
Speaker 4: the truck. I had to drag him out of the truck.
Speaker 3: And he usually loved going of the woods, like he
Speaker 3: couldn't keep me, Like he was scratching out the window
Speaker 3: to get out because I just wanted to get out,
Speaker 3: run around and sniff and play.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't get out of truck.
Speaker 3: When he came out of the truck, he round it
Speaker 3: the back tailgate and curled his legs between his legs
Speaker 3: and wouldn't come out from the truck for twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: I was going, did come, come, He wouldn't come. And
Speaker 4: then I.
Speaker 3: Got him out, dragging by his collar got him going.
Speaker 3: He just stuck right behind me, like this tail between
Speaker 3: his legs. After about ten minutes walking around, there was
Speaker 3: no sign of anything. Nothing was around, no noises, and
Speaker 3: he relaxed, and you know, ten minutes later he was
Speaker 3: back to normal, totally playing. So, Okay, they're not here,
Speaker 3: Wait until it started getting dark again. Set up that
Speaker 3: spot where they came here there, like the twelve o'clock
Speaker 3: position point. I went back on the tree line kind
Speaker 3: of a little bit, but where I could still see him,
Speaker 3: but where they could kind of come up partly obscured,
Speaker 3: and I put all this stuff out on an old
Speaker 3: log there, put all the food out there, and then
Speaker 3: there was like floodlights. There's just these floodlights coming down,
Speaker 3: infrared flooding. I mean it was so bad. I sat
Speaker 3: there and notice sign of them, no indication them. Sat
Speaker 3: there all night, I think till daylight. No indication they
Speaker 3: were there. Nothing five nights later. So I told John
Speaker 3: what happened. He's excited. I was all excited. He called
Speaker 3: his partners that he went out with, Jim Hooper and Manny,
Speaker 3: this guy Manny from southern Oregon. So those guys are
Speaker 3: coming down as normal guys. And so I've never been
Speaker 3: to these guys in purpose. I knew who they were,
Speaker 3: but I've never met any of them in person. So
Speaker 3: we met up five nights later, four nights at this point,
Speaker 3: so it was five nights suchter my sighting, and we
Speaker 3: went down to where we where I estimated where I
Speaker 3: first heard the calls come from. And so we went
Speaker 3: down it several miles and we pulled over. There's this
Speaker 3: big clearcut. You come into it as you're drive along
Speaker 3: the road. You know you're driving the you're about two
Speaker 3: hundred yards below the park boundary line where the road
Speaker 3: is where that runs north south, and so the road
Speaker 3: at points is close to the boundary of the park
Speaker 3: and the other points it's a couple hundred yards away.
Speaker 3: At this point it was kind of further away from
Speaker 3: the park, so it's a good one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: yards two hundred yards up to the Because it's offus,
Speaker 3: it's a clear cut and there's old growth right away,
Speaker 3: so it's pretty obvious for the boundary line is as
Speaker 3: you drive, you're driving along, you're driving, you know it's
Speaker 3: all been cut before at some point this area we're
Speaker 3: driving through, so it's you know, smaller regrowth stuff. But
Speaker 3: you come in and all of a sudden you're left.
Speaker 3: It's clear cut all the way to the line, you
Speaker 3: know whatever. It is one hundred and fifty two hundred
Speaker 3: yards up to the park boundary. And and then it's
Speaker 3: really small, just hasn't been thinned at all, just pecker
Speaker 3: pole regrowth, like I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, it was a couple of years, it was
Speaker 4: several years old, it was. It was small.
Speaker 3: They like the biggest, biggest trees and there were like,
Speaker 3: you know, six eight inches something like that. It was
Speaker 3: real close to their real regrowth garbage. And that went
Speaker 3: and so that ran along you're right on your right
Speaker 3: hand side. That went along for another couple like, uh,
Speaker 3: probably one hundred yards of that stuff. And then and
Speaker 3: then that stopped and it was clear cut on both
Speaker 3: sides to the cliffs edge that dropped off like a
Speaker 3: couple thousand feet down to the clout. It's really steep
Speaker 3: cliffs and steep hills then to your and then up
Speaker 3: sloped uphill up to the park boundary. There were some
Speaker 3: old trees that went, old goat trees went through the
Speaker 3: cut area like a that turned out that was the
Speaker 3: old hoop of footpath for the hoop Indians to go
Speaker 3: to the coast rocks where they could cross. It's where
Speaker 3: they crossed to get to the ocean where they traded,
Speaker 3: like you know, for sea salt and shell fish. That's
Speaker 3: when they'd bring stuff from inland and trade with the
Speaker 3: coastal guys. And that's what So this footpath was one
Speaker 3: hundreds used for thousands of years. And they're not allowed
Speaker 3: to cut the trees along the footpath of the cultural preservation,
Speaker 3: but this footpath it's still it's like it's about three
Speaker 3: feet wide two feet wide. It's about a foot and
Speaker 3: a half deep, you know, grounding of the dirt, there's
Speaker 3: old grold trees went so there's these scattered old growth
Speaker 3: trees going through the in a line going through the
Speaker 3: clear cut that went through the regrowth there was and
Speaker 3: right where they came out, there's some bigger trees and
Speaker 3: stumps there. But then the rest is that just regrowth junk,
Speaker 3: you know, just a little arbis streets. I been thinking
Speaker 3: it was just a mess. So we set up, we
Speaker 3: parked there. There's a little spur row dropped down to
Speaker 3: the right head and downhill towards the cliff in the
Speaker 3: clear cut it was the landing spot for the the
Speaker 3: laggers have been using it. This was a fresh cut.
Speaker 3: I mean it just happened like that year or the
Speaker 3: year before. I guess the year before. But you can
Speaker 3: tell they've been using like they'd still been coming other
Speaker 3: and parking and doing whatever down there. Like you can
Speaker 3: tell the landing was still used down there. So we're like,
Speaker 3: all right, well this, we don't want to block the
Speaker 3: landing off. So they went down and set up the
Speaker 3: call blaster. It was that big, and it was the
Speaker 3: one it's in the Willow Creek Museum now you know,
Speaker 3: it's on the early BFR exhibitions. There was the big
Speaker 3: bullhorn up a Navy destroyer. It was a big speaker
Speaker 3: for the loudspeaker up a navy ship. And John had
Speaker 3: looked up to a thousand watt amp with a CD
Speaker 3: player that you could play like Gorilla calls and the
Speaker 3: Ohio Call and all that stuff. So they went down
Speaker 3: set that up the broadcast over the valley. When we
Speaker 3: got out there, I realized I had forgotten. And this
Speaker 3: is earlier than night. I was still daylight, and I
Speaker 3: realized I'd forgotten the night scophen.
Speaker 4: I packed.
Speaker 3: I was so excited about the night scope on the porch,
Speaker 3: and I called my buddy e Hu. Actually we interviewed
Speaker 3: on the show here. He was a nurse and he
Speaker 3: was going to go to go surfing up the clam
Speaker 3: with anyway.
Speaker 4: So I called him. I said, Hey, you going to
Speaker 4: the climb still?
Speaker 3: He said yeah. I said, dude, could you please bring
Speaker 3: my night vision scup? And he knew how important it
Speaker 3: was to me. He goes, yeah, I'll do it. So
Speaker 3: he went and grabbed my night scope. I mean he
Speaker 3: drove up there, and he got there just before dark
Speaker 3: and he'd gone diving and had some avalony. He just
Speaker 3: he had some he'd cooked some ablone. He brought the
Speaker 3: abalone up and was sitting on top of the truck.
Speaker 3: It was, you know, it just cooked. It smelt really good.
Speaker 3: And so he had a little Toyte pickup. I had
Speaker 3: my little toat of to whee drop it. We built
Speaker 3: a little Tota standard cab you know pickups. So he
Speaker 3: had a show on his little Toyota and I didn't
Speaker 3: have one on mine. And we were parked right at
Speaker 3: the edge of that regrow and then John and Manny
Speaker 3: were in one vehicle and Jim were down there and
Speaker 3: they'd set up their call blaster. You know, it's maybe
Speaker 3: forty fifty yards down from where we were parked there,
Speaker 3: down on the little spur road in the middle of
Speaker 3: the clear cut. I just told the Hm'm like, you
Speaker 3: know what, I want to go up higher. I want
Speaker 3: to get up and I saw this big old girl
Speaker 3: stump sitting up on the hill above those guys.
Speaker 4: We measured it later.
Speaker 3: It was one hundred and twenty yards one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty five yards from the vehicles where we were parked.
Speaker 3: So we walked up there, and I was so freaked
Speaker 3: out still by what had happened five minutes earlier. I
Speaker 3: mean I was I thought I was going to die
Speaker 3: five minutes earlier by these things. So I was pretty nervous.
Speaker 3: And oh when we got there, when we did the
Speaker 3: first calls, before we even set the calls, I did
Speaker 3: my own calls. We got this crazy scream from down on.
Speaker 3: The clowns were way below into this scream, like the
Speaker 3: classic murder woman being murdered scream, and we were like oh,
Speaker 3: we were all excited, like, oh, yeah, they're close by.
Speaker 4: And I said, hey, John, can I borrow a gun?
Speaker 4: And Fradus is the most.
Speaker 3: He was in the very final episode of Finding Bigfoot
Speaker 3: where we went out went up the final one, I
Speaker 3: guess it was second to last one of the Luff
Speaker 3: Creek on the side before the reunion show was the
Speaker 3: last one we did where we're in Willow Creek and
Speaker 3: we got those callbacks rounds with John. We got the
Speaker 3: return calls. But he's the most That's the guy. He's
Speaker 3: the most fearless. Him and Moneymaker the two most fast
Speaker 3: guys I've seen out in the woods, like never afraid
Speaker 3: of anything at all, like nothing like John's not phased
Speaker 3: or anything. I said, hey, can I borrow one of
Speaker 3: your guns? He goes, I just got one. He had
Speaker 3: a three fifty seven. I said, all right, I'll take that.
Speaker 3: I put that in my back pocket. It was a
Speaker 3: little snub nose I had in my back pocket. I
Speaker 3: felt better, so I me and Eh climbed up on
Speaker 3: the hill. I went up on top of that stump
Speaker 3: and I had to the night scope and then we
Speaker 3: were there for about I think it was about a half.
Speaker 4: Hour shooting up there.
Speaker 3: And then John was doing a live broadcast that it
Speaker 3: was a TV show and a radio show at the time,
Speaker 3: it was the sixth or seventh most listened to radio
Speaker 3: show in the world. It was Sightings that shows Sightings.
Speaker 3: I can't remember the hosts, Jeff Frantz. So John was
Speaker 3: doing a live call into the show, and he actually
Speaker 3: the company had runted him a satellite phone, so we
Speaker 3: had a satellite phone with him to use for the
Speaker 3: call in they'd send him. So he was doing his
Speaker 3: calling live, calling into the show. And and uh, just
Speaker 3: as they're about to start, from the tree line where
Speaker 3: the where our right where our trust were apart, we
Speaker 3: heard three grunt growls and they were just what I'd
Speaker 3: heard a couple of nights before that, like like, I
Speaker 3: can't it's like at a growl. Oh, that's not it,
Speaker 3: but kind of get the idea. There was three loud,
Speaker 3: deep ones came from that tree line where our trucks.
Speaker 3: We were like, oh my god, it's there's one here.
Speaker 3: And I just for some reason I thought it was
Speaker 3: for sure the big One because it sounded like that
Speaker 3: big one, that charger than a couple of nights before,
Speaker 3: five nights before.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back after these messages, and.
Speaker 3: I was all excited. So each and I were passing
Speaker 3: back the scope, passing back the scope. Then so John's
Speaker 3: the meantime trying to talk to the guy Jeff France
Speaker 3: on the radio show Live with his satellite phone. But
Speaker 3: it's not coming in. It's he's having bad receptions. He's
Speaker 3: in at Baron Classic Dude, Michael Scott. He had was
Speaker 3: it a Baron no as a sea bring? He had
Speaker 3: a convertible sea bring and he had the top down.
Speaker 3: He's in this little you know car.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: He drove up there, driving real slow, just going a
Speaker 3: couple miles an hour, trying to get reception. And he
Speaker 3: gets reception right next to my truck and he's parked
Speaker 3: there and I'm looking down and he goes, hey, there's
Speaker 3: a bear stomping his feet and growling at me in
Speaker 3: the tree line kind of truck. And we figured, well,
Speaker 3: that makes sense because we got the avaloni up there.
Speaker 3: You know, it's fresh abalone.
Speaker 4: He just coach. It smells killer.
Speaker 3: So we're looking there and looking there, and that's why
Speaker 3: I was looking at going, God, how could I miss it?
Speaker 4: I remember that big stuff. There's this big black stump
Speaker 4: by my truck and Johnson.
Speaker 3: There's John's on the other side of my truck, you know,
Speaker 3: sitting down low in his little convertible. I'm going like,
Speaker 3: I mean, he's only thirty feet from it, and I'm
Speaker 3: going like, how did I not know there was a
Speaker 3: giant stump next to my truck. It was, like I said,
Speaker 3: the thickest tree down I was frobaly eight inches and
Speaker 3: there's like this huge black stump next to my truck.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, God, that's weird. And then I see
Speaker 3: the stump get up, turn and walk into the tree line.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm telling John on the radio, dude, it's
Speaker 3: he was on a he was on a commercial break
Speaker 3: from the Sightings radio show. I'm on the I'm on
Speaker 3: a little walkie talkie going, dude, how can you John's
Speaker 3: right next to your train. It's walking into the tree line.
Speaker 3: He couldn't see it just behind my truck from his angle,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Plus it was dark and he does not see it,
Speaker 4: and it walks the tree and I was just blown away.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking and looking and then I see it
Speaker 3: pop back out about fifty yards down the hill where
Speaker 3: those big trees come. At this point, I didn't know
Speaker 3: that was the old trail, the hoop of trail foot trail.
Speaker 3: There's there's a pretty big stump down there, like old
Speaker 3: growth redwood stump, and then a deciduous hardwood tree that
Speaker 3: was probably eight.
Speaker 4: Inches thick or so.
Speaker 3: And I'm looking down and going, WHA, what is that?
Speaker 3: I'm seeing movement and then I'm looking and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, I see this thing walk across that little
Speaker 3: gap where the trail is. It goes from the stump
Speaker 3: to behind the tree, and I'm looking going and there
Speaker 3: was a little bit of moon coming out. There's just
Speaker 3: a little bit of moon coming up behind a little
Speaker 3: bit of clouds. There's little partial clouds. And when the
Speaker 3: moon came out just enough for me to see there's
Speaker 3: enough light to see. I see it go behind that tree.
Speaker 3: So it's heads behind the tree, but its shoulders hanging
Speaker 3: out each side by a good foot foot and a
Speaker 3: half or sticking out each side of the tree. And
Speaker 3: I see it lean out and poke its head out.
Speaker 3: Just look like a coconut sitting on top of a
Speaker 3: brick shed or something, you know. I mean, it just
Speaker 3: looked like this big solid mass and then with a
Speaker 3: coconut on top, and you see the coconut lean out.
Speaker 3: Then when I flicked on that little ire light, I'd
Speaker 3: flick on a little iron light on the camera on
Speaker 3: another camera on the vision. It would jump back behind
Speaker 3: the tree like it reminded me of an ostrich with
Speaker 3: its headstuck between its leg under the sand, like Okay,
Speaker 3: if I can't see them and they can't see my head,
Speaker 3: then I'm invisible.
Speaker 4: But it's its.
Speaker 3: Body was taking out both sides, so I remember looking
Speaker 3: at it. And then it started and it walked back
Speaker 3: over behind the stump, and the stump came right between
Speaker 3: its belly button and the bottom of its chest. And
Speaker 3: it starts bobbing up and down like a like I remember, Eric,
Speaker 3: I guess, go, it's a giant freaking monkey. It's a
Speaker 3: giant freaking monkeys. Was doing that bobbing back and forth
Speaker 3: kind of like slowly bobbing, and like it wud raise
Speaker 3: up on one foot, then raised one arm, like it
Speaker 3: raise up on its right foot and raise its left
Speaker 3: arm and left leg, then shift its wight over to
Speaker 3: its left foot and raise its right arm and right
Speaker 3: leg like it was agitated, going back and forth, and
Speaker 3: it would and it would lean forward and then walk
Speaker 3: back over behind the tree and then poke its head
Speaker 3: out behind a tree and they can still see the
Speaker 3: rest of its body. So I had the knife scope
Speaker 3: to Eric and we go back and forth for twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five minutes whatever it is, just watching this thing,
Speaker 3: and it would disappear whenever when we couldn't see it,
Speaker 3: John say okay, it's approaching me.
Speaker 4: It's approaching me. And we never saw it come out
Speaker 4: on the tree line by him. Again.
Speaker 3: I only saw that one time where it came out
Speaker 3: up there. But then he'd say, okay, it's walking away there,
Speaker 3: and we wouldn't see it. He wouldn't he he wouldn't
Speaker 3: hear it for a few minutes, and we'd pop back
Speaker 3: out of that trail head down below and be looking
Speaker 3: up at us. And then one of the bummers was
Speaker 3: was John had the radio the broadcasting with the call blaster,
Speaker 3: didn't Manny and Jim didn't know that.
Speaker 4: This was going on. They didn't have a radio.
Speaker 3: So every time John hit the brake, Satman to play
Speaker 3: the recording the call blasts so that Jeff franch guys
Speaker 3: could hear it at home. And as he's you know,
Speaker 3: back He's going back and forth, pulling back and forth,
Speaker 3: trying to find the angle where he could see it,
Speaker 3: where it was every time he hit his brake, so
Speaker 3: those guys would play the Ohio hall, Ohio call, and
Speaker 3: then aggressive gorilla call. So I was pretty I didn't
Speaker 3: want what was there to realize that the calls were
Speaker 3: coming from us, but obviously Dick is. For the next
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes, as John went back and forth returning his brakes,
Speaker 3: there was another Ohio call. I mean, this thing was loud, dude,
Speaker 3: It's just acting through the canyon for miles. And this
Speaker 3: went on for a while and then John got freshrated
Speaker 3: and just said, I've got to see this thing. And
Speaker 3: we didn't have any cameras, you know, that could really
Speaker 3: record it. So he backed up and put his high
Speaker 3: beams on and yeah, you know, scanned the tree line backup,
Speaker 3: so his headlight swept the woods and then we didn't
Speaker 3: hear anything after that, just went dead. But yeah, so
Speaker 3: that was my first. Oh so, the next one we
Speaker 3: went down there, and that stump we measured it was
Speaker 3: six foot nine, six foot ten basically, so this we
Speaker 3: thought we thought it was a four foot so looking
Speaker 3: at that night, from being next to the truck.
Speaker 4: Eric never saw it next to the truck. I did.
Speaker 4: He only sat down by the tree line, which was
Speaker 4: further away. But we were.
Speaker 3: Guessing it was seven We well, just when we were
Speaker 3: guessing it was the we guessed the stump was four
Speaker 3: foot tall, that it was seven feet tall because it
Speaker 3: was sticking about three feet above the stump.
Speaker 4: We figured that, you know, just looking from it.
Speaker 3: There, we figured, well, the tree is a twelve inch
Speaker 3: thick tree, you know, sticking out a foot you know,
Speaker 3: it's a couple of feet wide, and it was almost
Speaker 3: as thick when it turns someways across the trail. It
Speaker 3: was almost as thick as it was wide. Not quite,
Speaker 3: but it was. It was really thick. We get down
Speaker 3: there and the tree was put in its heavy house
Speaker 3: about eighteen inches and it was sticking out eighteen inches
Speaker 3: on each side. So it was like, you know, four
Speaker 3: and a half foot across the shoulders or something like that,
Speaker 3: five ft four and a half feet across the shoulders,
Speaker 3: five feet maybe at the most, I'd say four to
Speaker 3: four and a half. There was at least three foot
Speaker 3: from front front front of its chest.
Speaker 4: To the back of its back.
Speaker 3: It had to be at least three foot thick that way,
Speaker 3: it had to be nine and a half. I thought
Speaker 3: it was ten foot. But our buddy who lived on
Speaker 3: the ranch by there, who had sat on horseback, he
Speaker 3: was on a flat on a he was on a
Speaker 3: a flat, leveled off landing area from a logging landing.
Speaker 3: He was on his horse and it was behind a
Speaker 3: stack of logs, and so he's on eating ground that
Speaker 3: he said it was. He was looking right at it,
Speaker 3: and it was. He said it was nine and a
Speaker 3: half foot tall. So it was at least nine and
Speaker 3: a half. So it's between nine and a half ten
Speaker 3: foot tall somewhere in there.
Speaker 4: It was. It was huge.
Speaker 3: Then, John, I had to leave out how to get
Speaker 3: back to town that morning, so I was out of
Speaker 3: there pretty early too. Went down there and I left,
Speaker 3: and later that day he found a seventeen seventeen and
Speaker 3: three quarter inch long footprint pressing a hard pen do
Speaker 3: this dirt is like it's like a rock in the
Speaker 3: summertime when it's dry like that, it's just you know,
Speaker 3: he was pressed down three quarter inch deep in the
Speaker 3: deepest spots, but it was about a quarter and a
Speaker 3: half a quarter and a half inch deep most most
Speaker 3: of the spots. But it was a classic eight foot
Speaker 3: across the ball, seventeen and a half inches long, seventeen
Speaker 3: three quarter inches long, giant, you know, just heavy. Let's
Speaker 3: put the way our our toutos put were impressed. Maybe
Speaker 3: an eighth of an inch deep and these things, and
Speaker 3: they weren't even that, maybe sixteenth of an inch, eighth
Speaker 3: of an inch of the most this thing was, you know,
Speaker 3: quarter inches of the shallowest up to three quarter inch
Speaker 3: deep at the deepest. So I mean the Tota truck's
Speaker 3: not making a dent. This thing was pressing into the ground.
Speaker 3: This thing was pressing into the ground where the toytoes
Speaker 3: were making a dent. So I mean had to have
Speaker 3: great mass and weight, you have it. After we saw that,
Speaker 3: we went to bed. I was just going to sleep
Speaker 3: in the back of my truck, and I like, Eric,
Speaker 3: move over, I'm sleeping in the back.
Speaker 4: Of the end. He had a shell.
Speaker 3: He had a regular size, you know, small toida truck
Speaker 3: with the the the shell was the same profile as
Speaker 3: the height of the calves. And he had a carpet
Speaker 3: kit in the back so that he could put like
Speaker 3: you know, store wet suits and boards underneath that whatever
Speaker 3: when he's sleeping. So I and you know, it's room
Speaker 3: for really one guy, and I'm like, dude, move over.
Speaker 4: So I squeezed in there with him. We laid there
Speaker 4: all night, barely.
Speaker 3: We thought for sure we're going to get the truck
Speaker 3: flipped over because there was a lot of stories back there,
Speaker 3: and then picking up cars and trucks and shaking them
Speaker 3: when people were sleeping inside of them. So I thought
Speaker 3: that was going to happen. I thought I was going
Speaker 3: to rip off the back of terrace out of there
Speaker 3: or something. But nothing happened the rest of the night.
Speaker 3: It is, it's kind of funny watching me. I was like,
Speaker 3: I was like dda my dog, trying to crawl into something,
Speaker 3: hide myself, you know, just cuddling up with my buddy
Speaker 3: all night. But yeah, so then I spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time with there. I mean I spent nights and
Speaker 3: nights and nights and nights with a sunny night shot
Speaker 3: out there, hoping that I had a sunny night shot
Speaker 3: with a spotlight, a portable spotlight you know back in
Speaker 3: the battery sucked and they ruin out fast.
Speaker 4: They weren't even that great of light. And they're pretty good.
Speaker 4: They're pretty good.
Speaker 3: I had that with some red that oh god, that
Speaker 3: red cella fane stuff. What's it called, Yeah, like du Beatine,
Speaker 3: I think they call it. So I had some red
Speaker 3: filter over over the light. And then I had a
Speaker 3: suny night shot camera. And I spent the next couple
Speaker 3: of years up there just ryan hoping to see this
Speaker 3: thing that I was gonna spotlight it with the spotlight
Speaker 3: and then turn on the night shot and film it,
Speaker 3: you know, that way. But I never had any luck,
Speaker 3: just but I spent a lot of nights out there.
Speaker 3: One thing that did happen out there when I was
Speaker 3: out there looking was when I was up at a
Speaker 3: Dolson prairie up there, you can park and go hiking
Speaker 3: down into the roadway park. It's inside the park, it's
Speaker 3: right on the road. There's a little parking lot there.
Speaker 3: I was sitting there in this ranger cam because back
Speaker 3: then they always thought I was some tweaker out there
Speaker 3: up to no good, like they'd hassle me hard when
Speaker 3: the said they thought I was, well, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of car break ins and there's a lot of math
Speaker 3: out there, and so they thought I was one of
Speaker 3: those guys, so I'd get hassled. The'd always give me
Speaker 3: a hard time to hassle me and stuff. So this
Speaker 3: ranger comes with me that one of the ranger cops.
Speaker 3: He's grilling, you know, he's convinced him on drugs, and
Speaker 3: like I just look.
Speaker 4: Like I am not.
Speaker 3: And he's giving me a real hard time, you know,
Speaker 3: and he's pulling my whole car and he's pulling my
Speaker 3: car apart, just pulling everything out of the back and
Speaker 3: going through my bags. And I was just like, damn,
Speaker 3: this guy's really giving it to me.
Speaker 4: You know. I was trying to be you know, I
Speaker 4: always just cool to them guys.
Speaker 3: I never get him any hass I was like, I understand,
Speaker 3: I understand, Like I'm glad you guys right here because
Speaker 3: I've had my car broken into numerous times over the
Speaker 3: years out here, and I'm so glad you're here. And
Speaker 3: I understand what you're doing. You're wasting your time on me.
Speaker 3: When I was telling about Bigfoot, you know, because I
Speaker 3: was always I was always talking, I was always trying
Speaker 3: to convince those guys, getting them like stats and you
Speaker 3: know who's incredible people that I have seen him? This
Speaker 3: is that and that and you know, just whatever, whatever,
Speaker 3: whatever data details, I had to lay on with them
Speaker 3: all the time. So the dude sit there giving me this,
Speaker 3: you know, he's hassling me, just going through my stuff.
Speaker 4: Also, we hear this the just a screaming roar, and
Speaker 4: then we hear another roar, and.
Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, you just see this just
Speaker 3: bellowing and screaming and orient and his face. Dude, his
Speaker 3: jaw dropped and his eyes popped out of his head
Speaker 3: and he turned just just went white. He was so
Speaker 3: scared that he then he turned on his mag light
Speaker 3: and shined it over and dude, like seventy feet from us,
Speaker 3: seventy five feet away, this huge black beard jumped on
Speaker 3: a smaller black bear and had its head in its
Speaker 3: mouth and was just ripping it and tearing it with
Speaker 3: its claws. And the one on the bottom was screaming
Speaker 3: its bloody murder, and the one on top was roaring,
Speaker 3: and you know, full attack mode.
Speaker 4: Everyone was full survival screaming mode.
Speaker 3: And we were just there going we were both like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, like this is crazy, and just watched
Speaker 3: this bear he yelled at it whatever and had his
Speaker 3: light and the light and all that, and the big
Speaker 3: one let go and they split apart, and the little
Speaker 3: one ran off and the other one ran off.
Speaker 4: The other way.
Speaker 3: And then he was just like, you thought it was
Speaker 3: a big foot, didn't you? And I was kind of laughing,
Speaker 3: and he was not amazed. He was like, he's like, well, no,
Speaker 3: I did, did you were? You were more scared than
Speaker 3: I was. And I was scared for a minute. And
Speaker 3: he just goes, no, I wasn't, you know, And then
Speaker 3: he got really embarrassed and he just laughed.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He never hassled me again after that. Nice.
Speaker 2: That's wild, Yeah, because I I had heard the story
Speaker 2: about your first siding with the night Vision unit and
Speaker 2: afraid it's being on the call with the radio show,
Speaker 2: but I never realized that that was right in the
Speaker 2: aftermath of that other encounter and in the same place.
Speaker 4: I had no idea. Oh yeah, there are five days apart.
Speaker 3: I saw it on April or May twenty six, and
Speaker 3: the first night encounter was May twenty first, Well.
Speaker 2: I see we're coming up on our hour mark here,
Speaker 2: so maybe we can hop over to the member section
Speaker 2: then and talk about some of your other encounters, whether
Speaker 2: visual or otherwise.
Speaker 4: There If you're up for it.
Speaker 3: That sounds good, because my best setting was long after that,
Speaker 3: a couple of years later was in the New.
Speaker 4: Mexico on the Hickoria Patro Reservation. I'll tell that story.
Speaker 4: Oh that'd be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll hop over there now. And as Cliff usually says,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm since I produced these, I put together
Speaker 2: the show notes. I always have a link in the
Speaker 2: show notes, and so if you're not already a member,
Speaker 2: if you'd like to become a member. It's only five
Speaker 2: dollars a month. We do an extra episode every week.
Speaker 2: Those come out every Thursday, and then we usually post
Speaker 2: additional contents. So if there's photos or videos that go
Speaker 2: along with the episodes, or anything Cliff or Bobo related
Speaker 2: in the meantime, those get posted there too, and so
Speaker 2: the link to the membership section will be in there
Speaker 2: in the show notes as well.
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