WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:03.759 Welcome to More out Doors on News Talk five sixty KLVI. 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:07.519 This is Chester Moore. We're about to enter into the 3 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:11.160 hunting season kicking off officially September first, with dove season 4 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:15.400 early till following that. And it's that time of year 5 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:18.480 if you're a waterfowler you need to start getting your 6 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:20.960 dog prepared or maybe you're even like, hey, I need 7 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:24.920 to maybe think about getting a dog. So we have 8 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:29.640 Brian Johnson duckdog Trainer dot com and talk all about 9 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:32.960 the best kind of dog to get that fits your 10 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:36.039 type of hunting. It's five years because of our kids, 11 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.640 outreach often bleeds over in the duck season. I love 12 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.600 doing it, love talking about it, and my good friend 13 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:46.719 Brian Johnson is hooked on it, being hooked his whole life. 14 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:51.640 But he has a very special aspect of waterfowl hunting 15 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:54.079 as part of his career, part of his life, his 16 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:57.079 son Noah's life now a duck dog training. You can 17 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:00.520 learn more about him at duckdogatrainer dot com. And to 18 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.599 talk about duck hunting dog talking about retrievers. Brian Johnson, 19 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:05.519 Welcome to the program. 20 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:07.560 Hey, I'm glad to be here Chester. 21 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:11.120 Yeah, man so it's got to go back to the beginning. 22 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:13.599 What got you into duck hunting. 23 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:19.959 So I grew up in a duck hunting family. My 24 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:24.040 dad took me duck hunting for my first time whenever 25 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:27.319 I was nine years old, and I'd been waiting for 26 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:31.040 years even for that to happen, and he said, Hey, 27 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:34.319 when you're nine, I'm gonna take you. He was very, 28 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.680 very into duck hunting. He had one of the first 29 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:41.400 Refuge legal air boats. I don't even think they had 30 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.480 airboats allowed on the on the Refuge anymore, but back 31 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:48.480 then I think he had like a ten horsepower Chaparral airboat. 32 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:52.519 So we grew up duck hunting McFadden out of an airboat, 33 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.319 and I've just loved it ever since. I don't I 34 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:59.959 don't believe I missed a duck season in my life. 35 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:03.719 Man, that's pretty awesome. I didn't. My dad duck hunted 36 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:06.599 but quit during the point system of the seventies. After 37 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.000 that he got him really frustrated, and so he would 38 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.520 complain about that as we were deer hunting as a kid, 39 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:15.680 and I never really duck hunted until I was about 40 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:18.759 twenty one doing what I do now as a wildlife journalist, 41 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:21.639 and you know, pretty much after that, it was just 42 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:25.719 being hooked into it. And immediately, I mean everyone I've 43 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:28.560 ever taken duck hunting that was new, or anyone I've 44 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:31.159 ever been around that was sort of new to the sport, 45 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:34.439 immediately they think the ducks are great and the shooting 46 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:37.879 is fun, but the best parts watching the dogs work. 47 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:41.919 So you training dogs, how long did it take you 48 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.639 to like really get into the dog element of the 49 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:45.199 duck hunt? 50 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.240 So growing up we had a dog. My dad trained it. 51 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:55.280 Her name was Miss marsh Wind and we called her 52 00:02:55.319 --> 00:03:00.080 Missy and man, she was just a great dog. And 53 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:05.280 so I never knew duck hunting without a dog. And 54 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:08.479 then I went to college and I no longer lived 55 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.400 at home and the childhood dog had passed away. So 56 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.000 one of the first purchases I made as a college 57 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:15.840 student was I. 58 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:16.479 Bought a dog. 59 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:20.439 And I remember back then I didn't know much about 60 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:25.240 the pedigrees or how to go about finding the right dog. 61 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:29.400 And I at that time I lived in Houston, and 62 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.719 I went into Houston Chronicle under labradors for sale, and 63 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.039 I would call everybody, was like it was probably ten 64 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.240 o'clock at night. Chester way too late to be calling somebody, 65 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:41.719 and I would and I would call him and I say, hey, 66 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:43.000 do you have any dogs left? 67 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:44.919 And maybe it was nine. 68 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:46.719 Okay, and anyway, they would all say yeah, and you 69 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:47.560 can come look tomorrow. 70 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:49.599 And I said, can I come look tonight? And they 71 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:50.080 were like no. 72 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.439 In this one old I mean, he was like a 73 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:55.199 crusty old bachelor duck hunter. 74 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.520 He's like, yeah, you can come out tonight. 75 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:01.719 And so I show up at this guy, this random stranger, 76 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:04.960 about ten o'clock at night and he's hardcore duck hunter 77 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:08.000 and shows me his dog. And I'd heard that you 78 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:10.400 needed to get different health guarantees and I said what 79 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:13.520 about the health guarantees And he stuck out his hands 80 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.759 and said I guarantee and I shook his hand and 81 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:20.519 I bought my first duck dog and that was my 82 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:23.480 dog midnight and she was amazing. 83 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:27.680 That is a pretty cool deal. Like he was so enthusiastic, 84 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:33.240 showed up, had the handshake guarantee. And so you went 85 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.000 from like training your own dog till like at some 86 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:37.759 point saying, you know what, I might be able to 87 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:39.600 make a little bit of money off this or help 88 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:40.639 pay the bills. 89 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:45.199 Right, And so that was a necessity is the mother 90 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:50.519 of invention. A friend had hunted with me and midnight, 91 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:53.279 and he was friends of a guy who owned. 92 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.240 A local sporting goods store. 93 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:57.600 Fell by the name of Ronnie Wall and he told 94 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.920 Ronnie all these great things about my dog. So Ronnie 95 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:03.279 called me and said, hey, will you He had a 96 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.000 dog that he wanted me to train, and he was 97 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:08.160 going to buy another dog, and he said, will you 98 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:11.240 trained my dog or you a dog trainer? And I 99 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:14.399 remember I called the guy who had taught me how 100 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:18.279 to train a friend of mine, Mike Cuttler. He was 101 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:22.360 a professional trainer, and I cleaned his kennels and he 102 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.399 showed me how to train dogs. And because I couldn't 103 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:28.560 afford to pay, so we had a pretty good trade. 104 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:31.279 And at the end of the day, I learned how 105 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.800 to train dogs. And I remember calling him. I said, Mike, 106 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:36.279 this guy wants to know if I'm a dog trainer. 107 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.399 He said, yeah, tell him you're a dog trainer. So 108 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:41.160 I said, I'm a dog trainer. I'll help you train 109 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:44.639 your dog. And back then, I remember I charged two 110 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:46.720 hundred and fifty dollars a month was what I set 111 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:50.319 my price at because that's what a new kennel cost. 112 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.560 To buy a new kennel, it was two hundred and 113 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:57.199 fifty bucks. I only had one kennel that my dog Midnight, 114 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:01.160 lived in. So when Ronnie Wall came over with his dog, 115 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:03.959 before he got there, I ran and put my dog 116 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.279 in my bedroom, cleaned out the kennel, had it looking 117 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:07.879 real nice, and said well, this is where I'm gonna 118 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.399 keep your dog. And as soon as he left, I 119 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:12.639 took his two hundred and fifty dollars and went and 120 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.800 bought another kennel. And we did that dog after dog 121 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.439 until we came up with enough kennels to start a business. 122 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:21.879 Yeah. I love that man. It's like, you know, you 123 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:23.879 said that, you know you had to kind of do 124 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:26.759 this to make it work. But one thing I know 125 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:28.959 about you is that you have, you know, not just 126 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.160 a dog trainer, but you like have a philosophy about 127 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.920 dog training. So what is your philosophy of training a dog? 128 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.839 And so Chester, I think it's something that people need 129 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:44.519 to understand. They everybody in a lot of areas in life, 130 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:48.360 they want everything to fit into a certain box. 131 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:50.439 And if you do this, then you get that. 132 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:54.759 But but as we know, dogs kind of like people, 133 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:58.319 they're not all the same and they don't all train 134 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:01.959 the same way. So you've got to learn the dog 135 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.680 and you've gotta you've got to establish a bond with 136 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.079 a dog. Now, we we're not real heavy handed. Okay, 137 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.639 we're gonna respect the dog and the dog is gonna 138 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:16.839 respect us. But you know, Jestrick, nobody ever had to 139 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:20.040 to force me to go get a hamburger. Okay, I've 140 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:23.000 always just gone and gotten hamburgers because I like hamburgers. 141 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:25.199 And so we try to kind of train with that. 142 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.839 Let's let's bring out what this dog loves and and 143 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.480 let's build on that. So that's that's kind of how 144 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:32.480 we've gotten to train. 145 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.160 Yeah, you know, I had a Chesapeake Bay Retriever and 146 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:38.959 we'll talk more about retriever breathe in the next segment. 147 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:41.959 And they're a little more hardcore than like maybe a 148 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:45.040 lab is. And you know, there was a little bit 149 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:49.600 of a heavy handed train on her that didn't translate well. 150 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.360 But once she got to me back at home, she 151 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:54.480 was like, I'm gonna do everything I was training. I 152 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:56.439 just didn't like the person to train me very much. 153 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:58.120 You know, it was a it was a difference she 154 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:00.839 wanted to please me, and she liked to do and 155 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:02.879 I made it fun for her. And I like that 156 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.199 because I've been out times, I've seen guys that are 157 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:07.800 so heavy handed with their hunting dogs. I wanted to 158 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.040 say something, you know, and then and then you have 159 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:14.279 some guys that are like happy, go lucky with their dog. 160 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:18.800 And then the dog always seemed to do better that way, 161 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:22.879 So really really cool stuff. And you know the thing 162 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:27.240 about the dog is, these aren't just a tool for hunting. 163 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:29.800 These are you know, these are part of your family. 164 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:31.759 And I know that you're not the kind of guy 165 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:33.879 that just says, you know, oh, that dog will never 166 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:35.759 have any attention until I go hunting. 167 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.759 Right. So I would always talk to my clients when 168 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:43.639 they bring a dog in. I would I would ask them. 169 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:47.320 I'd say, you know, how how much hunting are you 170 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:48.320 expecting to do? 171 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.440 And and you know there's. 172 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:54.440 Sixty to seventy days in a typical duck season, I think, 173 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:58.240 and I don't. I don't know anybody that hunts all 174 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:01.559 of them, okay, And so I would tell them, I say, look, 175 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.519 if you hunt every day, let's say you hunted sixty 176 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:09.519 five days straight, there's still three hundred other days that 177 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:11.480 your dog has to be a pet. So at Duck 178 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.919 Dog Trainer we wanted to make sure, like my goal, 179 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.759 we weren't field trial trainers and we no longer do 180 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.919 the hunt test. I wanted a dog that the other 181 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:25.720 days was gonna be an amazing dog. It was going 182 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:28.279 to be a pet, It was gonna obey, it was 183 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:30.759 gonna be a pleasure for the family, and then when 184 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.480 you went duck hunting, it would mind you and go 185 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:34.639 get your ducks as well. 186 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:38.080 Got to love that an obedient dog if you used that. 187 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:40.559 A couple of dogs live in my house and we're 188 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:43.320 talking with Brian Johnson. You can learn more about him 189 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:45.720 at duckdog trainer dot com. You want to get a 190 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:48.440 dog trained out there, he's out there in Winny and 191 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:51.879 a definitely area for bird hunting. And when we come 192 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:54.519 back on More Outdoors, we're going to talk about breeds 193 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:57.679 of retrievers. There are different aspects and why they may 194 00:09:57.720 --> 00:09:59.960 be good or a bad fit for you. On more 195 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:02.879 Welcome back to More Outdoors on News Top five sixty 196 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:05.919 klv I. This is Chester Moore. Follow me at the 197 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:10.919 Chester More. That's the Chester More on Instagram. Higher Calling 198 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.440 Wildlife on Facebook. You can just go to my blog 199 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.960 at higher Calling dot net and check me out. And 200 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.799 every single issue of Texas Fishing Game Magazine. I'm the 201 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:20.960 editor in chief for that. Got lots of stories always 202 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.840 and of course Fridays here six to seven pm on 203 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:26.639 news Talk five sixty KLV. I got my good friend 204 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.120 Brian Johnson, and he's a duck dog trainer, been doing 205 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.279 this for a long time. In the world of duck 206 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.519 dogs and retrievers, there's a lot of different kinds. Of course, 207 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.840 the one that everyone is familiar with is a labrador. 208 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:41.399 You know, you think of I used to have a 209 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.559 chocolate lab. You got black labs, you got white labs, 210 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:46.960 yellow lab all kind of probably got purple labs these days. 211 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:49.840 But when you know, the labrador is kind of like 212 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:53.120 the standard edition, probably the perfect duck hunting dog. But 213 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.399 over the years, I've seen guys that were like, adamant 214 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.759 only a black lab or adamant only a chocolate lab. 215 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:03.480 Is there any kind of truth to like differences between 216 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:06.639 Because I've seen chocolate labs come out of a black 217 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.440 lab mom before, So is there any difference between those? 218 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:15.279 So I would tell you that that good labs are 219 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:16.320 good labs. 220 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:19.000 It doesn't matter the color. 221 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.879 It's just like people. Good people are good people. It 222 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.440 doesn't matter what they look like. You're you're more concerned 223 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.960 with with their heart and with their attitudes. And that's 224 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.519 the same with these dogs. So I have seen great 225 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:40.559 dogs of every color. I've seen bad dogs of every color. Now, 226 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:44.240 I would tell you that probably, you know you, you 227 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.200 kind of hear that the that the chocolates were the 228 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:51.360 weak link, and and maybe the black ones were were better, 229 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.320 and and if there is truth behind that, it's probably 230 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.320 because you know you and I had talked about before 231 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:03.759 that I've been training dogs. I'm fifty now, and I 232 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.879 started training dogs whenever I was in college. So you know, 233 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:12.519 let's say I was twenty whenever I started, and thirty 234 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:14.919 years ago, if you brought. 235 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:19.600 Me a dog, nine out of ten times. 236 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:22.120 The day you brought that dog, you could dump it 237 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.879 out of your truck, open the car door, the dog 238 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.200 jumps out, it's wagging its tail. We throw a dummy, 239 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.559 and the dog runs out there and gets it and 240 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:32.919 brings it back. Nine out of ten times, that's what 241 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.320 happened thirty years ago. Today, it's probably fifty percent or 242 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.480 less that they do that with no training. 243 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:43.279 So is that because they've been bred for pets or 244 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.279 different things, or just color variants where people prefer the color. 245 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:51.399 They've been bred for color, they've kind of dumbed them down, 246 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:54.240 if you would. You know, the lab has been the 247 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:59.879 number one breed in America for almost thirty years, and 248 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:04.440 different people want different things. I mean, how many people 249 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:06.200 do we know that have a lab and how many 250 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:10.000 of those duck hunt? I'm gonna say most don't duck hunt. 251 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:13.200 There's not that many duck hunters compared to to just 252 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.039 dog owners. So those dog owners, they just wanted a 253 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.840 pretty dog that maybe it had a certain look and 254 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:25.759 they really wanted a probably an even calmer dog than 255 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:30.399 I wanted for duck hunting, So that was bred as desirable. 256 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.159 No, that's that's really interesting because I've even seen like 257 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.440 quote unquote silver labs. Is that where someone's throwing some 258 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:37.799 wimern aro in there or something? 259 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:41.559 You know that that's a lot of debate on that, 260 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:48.080 and uh, I'm I'm not the the determining factor on 261 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:51.240 what really happened, if you would, I'm not the expert 262 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:55.279 on that, but probably so now that being said, I've 263 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:57.559 had guys that call me and say I've got a 264 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:00.879 silver lab and I called these other and. 265 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.919 They won't train it. Will you train it? And I 266 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:08.480 would tell them, yes, I would train it. But Chester, 267 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:11.039 I'll train a monkey if you pay me. 268 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.039 This is business man, so so. 269 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:19.840 And I've trained. I have trained some that are fabulous. Okay, 270 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:24.320 they were just really good. Now they are registered as chocolates, 271 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:27.799 all silver dogs. When they register them, they register as 272 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:32.279 a chocolate. But we know it's a it's a different 273 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.799 it's a different color. Probably a wye reiner in there. 274 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:39.159 Who knows I smell wine marener, I'm telling you. Anyway, 275 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.919 that's the investigatorjournalistsmouth to go crack the coat on this. 276 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:46.200 But of course you have another very popular pet dog 277 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:49.240 which is has its roots and retrieving, is of course 278 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.919 a golden golden retriever. I call them like the Hollywood dog, 279 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:58.080 Bush's baked bean dog, you know, uh airbud. But you know, 280 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:00.600 golden retrievers can be really really good dogs. 281 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:09.919 See, I have had very limited success with golden retrievers. Now. 282 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.240 The ones that came to me that love to retrieve, 283 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:17.600 they did great. But almost none of them come to 284 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:23.399 me loving to retrieve. They they just didn't have the desire. Now, 285 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:27.799 the ones as as maybe it's a coincidence, but the 286 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:31.000 ones that that came to me that loved to retrieve, 287 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:35.799 they had field trial backgrounds and they were they were 288 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:40.360 good dogs. You know, there there are so many different 289 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:46.399 breeds of dogs. You know, we'll we'll tell you that 290 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:49.159 that labrador is king. 291 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.080 Okay, we've changed. 292 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:54.679 We've trained the Chesapeakes like like you had and had 293 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:56.759 great luck with the Chesapeakes. 294 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:57.200 Uh. 295 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:59.799 You know, they kind of have the reputation for being 296 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:05.519 the hardhead. But what's funny is people the quote common 297 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.799 knowledge is you got to be rough on a Chesapeake. 298 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.679 But it's just the opposite, absolutely the opposite. 299 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.600 Because the person who trained mine was rough and it 300 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:17.240 got kicked out of retriever school like the last week 301 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:20.159 and said it wasn't doing anything. It was biting, and 302 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:22.720 she came home and did every single thing for me. 303 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:24.919 She just didn't like the person train her because they 304 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:26.080 were too heavy handed. You know. 305 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.919 So I trained one for a guy and her name 306 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:34.039 was Delta, and it's pretty funny. 307 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.000 Every Delta I just loved her. She was a sweetheart. 308 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.039 There would be more Chesa Peaks here in the South, 309 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.440 but they just don't handle the hot weather as good, 310 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:46.840 and I think that's why they're probably not as popular 311 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:48.080 here as they are up north. 312 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:50.919 But oh, Delta man, you like. I just loved her. 313 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:53.679 I would get that dog every time I got her out, 314 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:54.960 and you're gonna laugh at this. 315 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:58.960 I would sing to her. I would say, hell, don 316 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:01.639 what's that. I'd sing Delta docta. 317 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:05.559 And when the owner would come, I'd sing Delta docta 318 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.359 and and she just wag her little tail and I'd 319 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.480 go train her. And she did great. When he first 320 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.039 got her back and he was having some trouble with her, 321 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:13.759 I'm like, bro, you. 322 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:16.440 Gotta sing to her. Uh you you need to sing 323 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:18.160 this song. And uh. 324 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.680 But but we we formed a bond and she loved it. 325 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:25.720 And and that's why she did good, because she loved me. 326 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:31.599 That's how chesapeakes are. Every breed is gonna be a 327 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:32.400 little bit different. 328 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:32.599 You know. 329 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.680 There are the some of the pointing breeds that people 330 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:37.319 like to hunt with. They want to hunt with the 331 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:41.319 viislas with the German short hairs now, and I've had 332 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:43.960 some mixed breeds. But but what I will tell you 333 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.759 when you start getting into the other breeds. It's not 334 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.319 just about training and desired it's it's how that dog 335 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.240 is built and can't handle the conditions. Yeah, there's a 336 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.359 lot a lot too asking a dog to go in 337 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:04.400 thirty five degree water. You know, a lab has a 338 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:08.160 multiple layer on it on its coat. It's got that 339 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:12.400 that inner lining if you would, It's got a hollow hair, 340 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.640 it's got a kind of an oly repellent, it's got 341 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:20.079 web fee an otter tail. A lab is built for 342 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.720 water and so it can handle that. But a Viisla, 343 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:26.680 for example, even though he likes to retrieve and he 344 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:29.039 does good as you're in your yard in the summertime, 345 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:31.079 in the wintertime, he's gonna freeze to death. 346 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:34.160 Yeah, well then that makes sense. You know, just because 347 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:36.599 a dog likes to retrieve doesn't mean necessary it's going 348 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:39.480 to be a duck dog. And on the other side 349 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:42.559 of the equation, I mean, your labradors and even your 350 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:46.000 chest Seas and these other dogs can be great dove retrievers. 351 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:50.680 Absolutely, and I would tell you that they'll retrieve. A 352 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:52.799 dog that loves to retrieve, and once we've taught it 353 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:56.359 to retrieve, it'll retrieve anything. I mean, you could literally 354 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:58.240 you shoot a squirrel out of the top of the tree. 355 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:01.240 In college name it would go get the squirrel. You 356 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:04.920 just have to introduce it to what you wanted to retrieve. 357 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:08.920 Yeah, that's pretty cool stuff. And lots of different breeds 358 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:13.400 out there, and you know, like my chessie people. You know, 359 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:14.839 a couple of guys were like, oh, you got one 360 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:16.880 of those hard headed chessis, So I left her home 361 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:19.079 on this one hunt. And one guy had a golden 362 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:22.039 one guy had a lab. They were pretty young dogs, 363 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:25.480 and these dogs got in a fight over the ducks. 364 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:28.920 They send them both out, and I'm like, I should 365 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:30.960 have totally brought my chessa to walk up and pulled 366 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:32.680 it from their mouths and dare them to get it 367 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:35.960 from my chessa. But it's just fun looking at the 368 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:39.440 different breeds and you know what they're capable of doing. 369 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.240 And when we come back on more outdoors, we're gonna 370 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:45.599 talk more with Brian Johnson. Him and his son Noah 371 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.880 run duck dog trainer dot com and they're out in 372 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.000 the Winny area, many many years of experience with training 373 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:54.920 duck dogs, and we're picking his brain about duck dogs. 374 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:57.920 It's duck hunting season just right here, so we'll talk 375 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:02.640 more about this. We come back on more Outdoors. Welcome 376 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.039 back tomorrow out Doors of News Talk five sixty KLV. 377 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:07.680 I talk to my friend Brian Johnson. He's a duck 378 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:10.799 dog trainer duck dog Trainer dot com. He's out in 379 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:14.000 Winny area, also pastor of First Baptist Church out there 380 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:17.279 in a winnie and he's a good dude, a good friend. 381 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:20.279 Put me on the biggest bass of my fly fishing 382 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:23.720 career this year. So anyway, that's a good guy in 383 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:26.440 in my book. But we're talking about different kind of dogs. 384 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:28.759 And I went out there to his channel and I 385 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:32.359 saw a dog that looked really familiar, but it's not 386 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.319 familiar with a lot of people outside the hardcore hunting 387 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:38.440 world as a hunting dog. You had standard poodles out there. 388 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.759 Yeah, I knew that you were going to bring that up. 389 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:48.599 Of course, it's funny being the macho duck hunter that 390 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:53.839 I've been with the exception of a Duck Dynasty episode 391 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.559 where Uncle Cy had had a standard poodle hunting, you 392 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:01.279 don't see or hear much about stand poodles in the 393 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:05.519 hunting world, but that's what their background is. My wife 394 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:10.960 loves standard poodles and she breaks she breeds those. My 395 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:15.000 son Noah, who's our head trainer, has been like, Dad, 396 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:17.880 please don't get us into the poodles. 397 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.039 Okay, please don't do the poodles. He didn't like that 398 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:22.839 image anymore than I did. 399 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:27.680 However, we've caught one now that my wife she it's 400 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:29.960 a about a. 401 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:30.720