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<v Speaker 1>Seven six Here fifty five kr CEV talk station. Happy Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>try to make it so anyway. Christopher Smimman coming over

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<v Speaker 1>the next segment in the meantime, happy to welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>with the fifty five Casey Morning Show. FOP Faternal Older

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<v Speaker 1>Peace Chapter sixty nine, which represents the CINCINNTI Police Department

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<v Speaker 1>heading it up, Ken Cober, Ken, good to have you

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<v Speaker 1>back on the fifty five Casey Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, good morning, Brian, thanks for having all Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if I was out in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>street and I saw an officer I don't know, interacting

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<v Speaker 1>with someone in terms of making a stop, doing their

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<v Speaker 1>job and their official capacity as an on duty police officer,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got in the middle of it and interfered

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<v Speaker 1>with the police officer doing his job, would I be

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<v Speaker 1>subject to a citation? Ken Cober?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you'd be subject to a citation or

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<v Speaker 2>subject to arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>For that matter. Okay, I guess first question. You have

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<v Speaker 1>it on video, and you circulated a petition to well

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<v Speaker 1>have Iris Rawley described as a consultant to the City

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati in a paid capacity, get her fired from

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<v Speaker 1>her job, and you show a couple of illustrations. She's

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<v Speaker 1>been caught on bodycam, which you did post with the

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<v Speaker 1>petition for assing police officers in the middle of doing

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<v Speaker 1>their job. Can I ask why that she wasn't cited.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, officers had discretion, and in that situation,

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<v Speaker 2>it was clear the officer knew exactly who Iris was, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and thought that it would be better to attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>de escalate the situation than it would be to try

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<v Speaker 2>to arrest her, knowing that it was a likelihood that

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to get worse. So they made what

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was a good decision just to try to

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<v Speaker 2>let it go under the circumstances. But as I've explained

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<v Speaker 2>to the city manager, those circumstances are running out, and

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<v Speaker 2>she should expect the next policeman she comes across and

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<v Speaker 2>to do something like that, she will be arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's on notice now pretty clearly, most notably because

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<v Speaker 1>you circulated a petition trying to get her fired. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>she's been around since the days of the riots and

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<v Speaker 1>the collaborative agreement, and a lot of people, including the

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<v Speaker 1>city manager in responsive petition you know, gave her props.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a consequence of her activism, But she has been

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<v Speaker 1>an out loud voice against the police department. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>to embrace this defund the police kind of strategy, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's certainly an agitator when it comes to well filing

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<v Speaker 1>complaints against police officers who are doing their job. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I understand why you're trying to ask for

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<v Speaker 1>her to be fired. Do you have any idea what

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<v Speaker 1>role she plays now? Since the Collaborative Agreement has been

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<v Speaker 1>around for now for what like almost two decades.

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<v Speaker 2>Consultant of the city manager and that came straight from

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<v Speaker 2>the city manager that she consults her, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's fine. Is all the work that she's done

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<v Speaker 2>with the Collaborative Agreement, whether you like it you don't

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<v Speaker 2>like it, the work that she's done can't go unnotice. However,

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<v Speaker 2>she's crossed the line. You cross the line when you

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<v Speaker 2>decide that you're going to obstruct official business when the

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<v Speaker 2>police are out there trying to do what they're paid

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and it's something that's just not going.

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<v Speaker 1>To be tolerated. I certainly understand that it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>the city manager's on your side on that, after supporting

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<v Speaker 1>Iris Rowley and everything that she's done on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>the city city manager along said anyone doing work on

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<v Speaker 1>behalf of the City of Cincinnati, Iris Rowley must hold

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<v Speaker 1>themselves to a higher standard that includes not interfering with

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<v Speaker 1>police or in the act of performing their lawful duties.

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<v Speaker 1>So even the city manager is on your side on this,

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Cobra.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, but we'll see if there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>any consequence for her actions. That's going to be where

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<v Speaker 2>the proof is in the putting. Is she gonna actually

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<v Speaker 2>do something about it? And that's yet to be seen.

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<v Speaker 1>It is yet to be seen now so far. How

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<v Speaker 1>many signatures do you have on your petition?

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at it's just over thirty four hundred. I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you. I was working the Sccincinnati match last

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<v Speaker 2>night and there are some folks that were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>it said that they fully support the police that they've

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<v Speaker 2>signed it. I've talked to some officers that are reluctant

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<v Speaker 2>to sign it because they believe that somehow the city

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<v Speaker 2>is going to get this information and that they will

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<v Speaker 2>try to retaliate against them if they do sign it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I just one have to be a resident of

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<v Speaker 1>the City of Cincinnati to sign the petition.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and you know this This petition is really twofold.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one it's sending a message to the city saying

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<v Speaker 2>that we're not going to tolerate some consultant from the

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<v Speaker 2>city that's going to create, you know, uh, have a

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<v Speaker 2>criminal act, commit a criminal act that's going to harass

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<v Speaker 2>the police. But also it's a message because the police

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<v Speaker 2>are seeing it, and the police are seeing the support

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<v Speaker 2>they have. So I encourage all those that are the

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<v Speaker 2>silent minority or the silent majority that are always supporting

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<v Speaker 2>the police that don't necessarily want to come out and

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<v Speaker 2>say it, sign the petition because these officers are taking

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<v Speaker 2>notice of how many signatures are you know, being signed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess considering she's in this consulting capacity, of

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<v Speaker 1>course she's an outspoken community activist. Everything in the city

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<v Speaker 1>seems to know who Iris. Rawly is the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>she's going out there and actually interfering with officers doing

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<v Speaker 1>their job. Isn't that encouraging others residents of the city

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<v Speaker 1>to do the same dang thing, Since if Iris can

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<v Speaker 1>do it, shouldn't I be doing it? Also?

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<v Speaker 2>Without a doubt. I mean, they don't understand, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the impact that this is having. I mean officers are

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely furious about this. You know, I was at a

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<v Speaker 2>role call this morning. Not one officer had anything bad

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<v Speaker 2>to say about this petition. They encourage it. They actually

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<v Speaker 2>want me to go even further and take other steps,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's we'll see how this all plays out. But

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<v Speaker 2>they're furious to see that you have somebody that is

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly a city leader that is harassing the police when

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<v Speaker 2>they're simply trying to do their job.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, what do you hope ultimately comes to this? Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>if the petition, you know, it serves its purpose, she's

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<v Speaker 1>going to get fired. I really am hesitant to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that share a long or anybody in the Cincinnati and

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<v Speaker 1>the current government is going to fire her for doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>So this really does serve the purpose of puting Iris

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<v Speaker 1>specifically on notice that maybe next time around, she will

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<v Speaker 1>get cited, and also sends a warning to the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the Greater Cincinnati residents. Don't do this, because you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see what's going to happen next time we encounter Iris

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<v Speaker 1>involving this. I mean, this just brings it to everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>attention as something not to do. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I had this conversation with the city manager on Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>and I told her, listen, she should thank her lucky

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<v Speaker 2>stars that she came across an extremely patient police officer

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<v Speaker 2>who is willing to deal with that nonsense, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of police officers out there that wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>been willing to deal with it, that would have just

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<v Speaker 2>arrested her, which is what ultimately could have happened. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I respect the officer that was involved. I

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<v Speaker 2>think she's a fantastic person under the circumstances. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>she made the right decision. But Iris is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be so lucky next time, and that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the city manager to have to deal with. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if they continue to do business with her, they continue

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<v Speaker 2>to give her taxpayer dollars. Because I believe Iris is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to stop doing this. It would be smart

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<v Speaker 2>if she does, and ultimately that's what we want, is

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<v Speaker 2>for her just to stop this behavior. But if it continues,

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<v Speaker 2>believe me, there is a high likelihood that she will

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<v Speaker 2>be arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I agree with your conclusion about the officer

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<v Speaker 1>involved in not issuing the citation, But doesn't that highlight

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<v Speaker 1>the very problem that Iris Ralli has created because she

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<v Speaker 1>is such a loud activist and will look into and

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<v Speaker 1>with hindsight twenty twenty, look at every single, every single

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<v Speaker 1>moment in time of any officer and maybe perp interaction

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to be under the microscope, which has

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<v Speaker 1>caused law enforcement officers to really question engaging people on

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<v Speaker 1>the street for fear of being called out by Iris

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<v Speaker 1>Rawli and others of her ILK. Now doesn't this confirm

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<v Speaker 1>that that strategy actually work because Iris avoided getting a

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<v Speaker 1>ticket because it was well known to the police that

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<v Speaker 1>she was this loud activist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think you could certainly draw that conclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll just say this, there are plenty of police

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<v Speaker 2>that I've talked to this said if that was me

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<v Speaker 2>in that situation, I would have arrested her. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>no one in this police department is against accountability. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the public deserves transparency, they deserve the police to be

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<v Speaker 2>held accountable. But if they think that they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>allow some bully to continue to harass police officers, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not going to happen. There are plenty of cops

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<v Speaker 2>out there that we're wishing that that was them because

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<v Speaker 2>they would have arrested her.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough. Well, if folks want to sign the petition,

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<v Speaker 1>FOP President Ken Cover, where do they go to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Goodness sincy C I n C Y Police dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>All the information that is all held by the FOP,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not like the city's getting this information. We're

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<v Speaker 2>storing all this information. It's private and you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>want to be able to see that. You know how

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<v Speaker 2>many people are actually out there supporting the police, because

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<v Speaker 2>we know there's a ton of you.

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<v Speaker 1>All amen to that. FOP President can Cover. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>thank you enough for the time you spent my listeners

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<v Speaker 1>and me talking about this important topic. I'll look for

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<v Speaker 1>hard to have having you back on and if listeners

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<v Speaker 1>want to sign a petition, I'll encourage him to do so. Ken,

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<v Speaker 1>keep up the great work, my friend, Thanks for coming

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<v Speaker 1>on this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian, my pleasure anytime, seven to fifteen right now. Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six oh five.

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